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Sept. 10, 2006 - Art Bell

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	From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippines, 7,107 islands, Manila, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
	That program which covers like a blanket every single time zone, 24 of them surrounding the world.
	It is.
	Here where I am on Monday, the 11th, I might add, where you are, the 10th, the 11th, still ahead of you.
	And it's going to be a very interesting program tonight.
	In the next hour, Dr. Stephen Greer will be here, and it promises to be a pretty raucous program for sure.
	Tomorrow, at about, tomorrow here anyway, at about 11 or so in the morning, I'm going to hop a plane with my wife and go to Hong Kong for three days.
	It's been a while since I've been to China, so we'll take another look-see.
	Also, you might want to note, last week I read you an article about a dead zone.
	Actually, there are many dead zones in the world.
	And I mean dead zones in the ocean.
	Now, these are areas where there is no oxygen, therefore there is no life.
	There's no life.
	And there's a map up there showing you all the dead zones in the world and an article about the same article I read about the recent Oregon dead zone.
	So you might want to take a look at that.
	Also, a recent photo of the Flight 93 memorial site in Shanksville.
	And to remind you also this week, beginning on Monday, Streamlinks subscribers get a special classic 9-11 tribute, several shows from the week of September 11, 2001.
	You know, I don't even know if I could listen to that.
	I was there doing it and I don't know that I could re-listen to that, but then I don't re-listen to very many of the programs that I do.
	Anyway, listen, updating a little bit on the Aswang, the photograph that I had on the website yesterday is still there.
	There was an update, and somebody found the original photograph, and by God, the guy claims that it was a night shot, that he was using a Sony night shot camera equipped with special night vision equipment.
	I don't know whether I...
	I buy that or not because that's a blue looking sky up there, but on the other hand it might be.
	I have quite a bit of night vision equipment myself and it works very well indeed.
	So it could be.
	It could be.
	In addition to that now, there is a close-up.
	of this creature. There are actually four photographs and I sent the link off to the website
	powers that be and they may go down and get a copy of the close-up and put it up there for you but
	I'm telling you right now this is no bat. There is no way on God's green earth that that is a bat.
	In fact, in the close-up, it's even scarier than what I've got up there right now.
	So hopefully they'll get on the stick back there, get the close-up up, and you'll get to take a look at it.
	And if so, I'll point it out during the show here.
	President Bush and his wife Laura stood in somber silence on Sunday after laying wreaths at the site where the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center once soared.
	He later pledged to make the anniversary, quote, a day of renewing resolve, end quote, to remember the lessons of the September 11 attacks.
	The Bushes set floral wreaths adrift in reflecting pools that mark the former locations of the North and South Towers at the beginning of a Today, fifth anniversary tour that's going to take them to all three sites of devastation.
	Now Hurricane Florence, no longer a tropical storm, a hurricane full-fledged now, headed apparently toward Bermuda.
	Florence did in fact intensify into the second hurricane of the Atlantic season Sunday as it neared Bermuda, where residents are doing what you might imagine, stocking up on provisions.
	Formed long lines at gas stations in the lashing rain, Florence was expected to pass, and this is in quotes, very near the tiny British territory on Monday.
	According to the National Hurricane Center in Miami, but still too early to see if it'll make a direct hit.
	The United States is safer now than it was before the September 11 attacks, but we must not relent in fighting terrorism in Iraq and elsewhere, according to Secretary of State Rice Sunday.
	Quote, I think it's clear we're safe, safer But not really yet safe, said Rice, who was President Bush's National Security Advisor when Al-Qaeda masterminded the attacks of September 11, 2001.
	And now here's one that'll get you thinking, and I see that a number of you have in fact felt it.
	The largest earthquake to strike the eastern Gulf of Mexico in the last 30 years sent shockwaves all the way from Louisiana to southwest Florida Sunday, but fortunately did little more than rattle residents.
	The magnitude 6 earthquake centered about 260 miles southwest of Tampa, Florida, was too small to trigger a tsunami or anything like that.
	A videotape posted on the internet late this evening, purportedly by Al-Qaeda, showed previously unseen footage of a smiling Osama bin Laden and other commanders in a mountain camp apparently planning the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington.
	Now, we've seen this before.
	The documentary-like retrospective of the five years since the attacks was unusually long and sophisticated in its production quality compared to previous Al Qaeda videos.
	The footage with English subtitles surfaced on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the attacks on a website that frequently airs messages from Bin Laden's terror network.
	ABC has made some changes to its miniseries, The Path to 9-11.
	And, uh, in fact, twice the network de-emphasized the role of the 9-11 Commission's final report as source material for the film.
	Now this is not good news from Somalia.
	Bad experience there for the U.S.
	Islamic militants controlling much of southern Somalia shut down a radio station Sunday for playing love songs and other music.
	The latest step to impose strict religious rule which has sparked fears of an emerging Taliban-style regime.
	Since sweeping to power over much of southern Somalia, including the capital Mogadishu in June, the Islamists have banned movie viewing, publicly lashed drug users, and broke up a wedding celebration because a band was playing and women and men were socializing together.
	So that tells you what life under extremist Islam would be like.
	No movies, no socializing together, No bands and no love songs.
	Convert or die, what do you say?
	We'll be right back.
	By the way, there was a reference on yesterday's program to the oil spill here in the Philippines.
	And I was laughing because a guy called up and said, hey, you know, people in the Philippines are donating their hair.
	To clean up the oil spill.
	And I was laughing and laughing and laughing.
	And it's true.
	It's absolutely true.
	They are in fact donating their hair.
	And Filipinos have a lot of hair.
	The gals here have very long hair.
	It's very traditional.
	And I was talking to my wife about it afterward.
	And she said, yeah, it's true.
	But you know what's wrong is the government has no idea whether it's going to work.
	And whether they can even use the hair.
	So the government is getting all this hair.
	They don't know whether or not they can use it.
	I hope so.
	The following is from the BBC.
	Doctor leads time travel research.
	Now, you know the way I feel about time travel.
	That's going to catch my attention right away.
	Listen to this.
	Experiments aimed at unlocking secrets of time travel are being led by Aberdeen University.
	Researchers there are examining the fabric of space-time and what science fiction authors refer to as the fourth dimension.
	Dr. Charles Wang will study the microscopic movement of atoms which can be affected by Earth's spinning.
	He said, quote, this is a very interesting possibility which cannot entirely be ruled out by physics, end quote.
	Television's Doctor Who and the Back to the Future movies promised the concept of time travel.
	If successful, the results will have a profound impact on our understanding of the fundamental nature of time and space in the universe.
	Albert Einstein said, instead of considering space to be a shapeless vacuum, it should be looked at as an object.
	The theory is, for something to exist, it must have length, breadth, and thickness.
	In other words, three dimensions.
	It must also, though, have something else.
	An object exists from the moment it is created to the moment it is destroyed.
	In between those moments is the duration of time, the so-called fourth dimension, space mission.
	HG Wells wrote The Time Machine about it.
	Dr. Wang hopes to make it real.
	He is a reader in the College of Physical Sciences and a member of the Aberdeen Centre for Applied Physics Dynamics Research.
	Dr. Wang said he is waiting for the European Space Agency's ESA to launch a science satellite to aid his research.
	He told BBC Scotland, If you have curved space-time, the time circles and you might just travel in time.
	If we can slow down the atom and isolate it and guide it into the fluctuation, then there's a possibility it's there.
	The increased sensitivity obtained by a space experiment certainly makes a space mission very worthwhile.
	If successful, the results will have a profound impact on our understanding of the fundamental nature of space and time in the universe.
	Dr. Wang does have some time on his hands, though.
	the ESA satellite is not due for launch until 2015.
	Now I mentioned this on yesterday's program and I'm going to mention it again.
	and I'll see you in the next one.
	Last May, a family in Iowa contacted the office of Senator Tom Harkin to report the constant crisscrossing of chemtrails in the sky above their neighborhood.
	They received back from the Senator's office a GAO report on military chaff and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread seven days a week for several hours each day in the skies above their home.
	The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images.
	It was reported the military also has lead-based chaff, but that it is not being used at this time.
	Chaff was used by the military in Europe in World War II, and of course, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home since the 50s.
	Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale.
	Though military spokespeople insist chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown.
	More studies are needed.
	That's a classic line.
	More study.
	We need more studies.
	Regardless, some members of this family are very sick.
	On May 23rd, after a hard rain the day before, they noticed a glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house.
	They then noticed a glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car.
	Most substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.
	Now, you want to know what they found?
	Six bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia.
	Nine chemicals, including Acetylene chloride.
	26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead, mercury, silver, uranium, and zinc.
	4 molds, 7 viruses, 2 cancers, 2 vaccines, 2 sedatives, and a parcher pear tree.
	So there you go.
	I mean, look at what they found in this stuff.
	Six bacteria including anthrax, pneumonia, nine chemicals including acetylene chloride, 26 heavy metals, arsenic, gold, lead, mercury, silver, uranium, and zinc, four molds, seven viruses, two cancers, two vaccines, two sedatives, and the partridge.
	I put in the partridge.
	Alright.
	In line with the dead zones, and I think this is in line, the Arctic Ocean, way up north, continues to freshen up.
	Now that sounds good, doesn't it?
	The Arctic Ocean is freshening up.
	Well, good!
	No, that's not good.
	Not good at all.
	Fish accustomed to the salty water of the Arctic May have to think about finding a new home.
	As a result of global warming, the Arctic Ocean has been getting less salty over the past half century and the trend looks set to continue.
	The culprits are massive increases in rainfall over the Arctic and much faster melting of sea ice and glaciers.
	Bruce Peterson of the Marine Biological Lab at Woods Hole, Massachusetts and his team gathered decades worth of meteorological river, sea ice and glacier data from the Arctic region and used it to calculate the increase in freshwater input into the ocean.
	Now listen, they calculated the increased rainfall and river outflow between 1965 and
	95 dumped an extra 20,000 cubic kilometers of freshwater into the ocean, equivalent to
	roughly 40 years of flow from the Mississippi River.
	Let me say that again.
	Equivalent to about 40 years of flow from the Mississippi River.
	Think about that.
	That is a lot of fresh water.
	Now, some of you may have heard of the Kincross F-89 Scorpion jet fighter that disappeared over Lake Superior on November 23, 1953.
	The plane had been ordered to investigate an unknown object that was being tracked on radar, a UFO.
	Well, about a week ago, the story broke that somebody had found the F-89 Scorpion, thus ending the mystery.
	Wrong.
	Well, I mean partially wrong.
	Anyway, yes, they found the F-89, but...
	But one of the Great Lakes Dive Company engineers came up with an ingenious idea.
	He cannibalized a forward-looking fish finder, fed the signal through a Shark 2 software.
	Suddenly they had images of the object they found next to the F-89.
	The Shark 2 software was designed to be used with state-of-the-art wide trajectory side-scan sonar.
	The fish finder on board was normally used to find shallow rocks and shoals.
	Spokesman for the company, Said we didn't notice the object at first when we discovered the airplane, but we did a detailed search surrounding the aircraft, trying to locate the missing wing.
	Yes, a missing wing.
	A portion of the side scan came back distorted in an area near the wreckage of the F-89.
	So we focused in on the area and tried to scan it with a shark tube, but had no luck.
	It was still distorted.
	One of our team recalled that the F-89s were known to perhaps carry nuclear weapons called a genie rocket, although the rocket was not deployed until later versions of the F-89.
	Didn't know if it was some sort of covert testing.
	Might have happened on earlier versions.
	This could be what was causing our equipment issues.
	Later testing with a Geiger counter said no.
	But the object near the F-89, listen very carefully to this part, appeared to be large, An almost teardrop in shape.
	Teardrop, folks.
	It was only 212.5 feet from the F-89.
	The scan showed something very interesting.
	A plow mark trailing behind the object as if it had crashed.
	This plow mark caused us to focus our immediate attention on the object.
	We lowered our ROV, remotely operated vehicle, to it.
	Confirmed that the mystery object was, in fact, metallic.
	Had a strike mark that matched the missing wing hole on the F-89C Scorpion.
	It's possible that the missing wing may be underneath the mystery object.
	The section of the object that is visible above the sand is about 15 feet long by 8.4 feet wide and, as previously mentioned, has a teardrop shape.
	This may be just the top of the iceberg, as it were, with the majority of the craft hidden below tons of sand.
	Except for the wreckage of the F-89 Scorpion and the unidentified object, there's nothing else on the lake bottom for miles.
	Our conclusion is it would be highly coincidental for this object containing a suspicious strike mark and plowed near the F-89 not to have something to do with its crash.
	Unfortunately, they're going to have to wait until next year and the new dive season for more answers to whatever this mysterious object is and, well, of course, the fate of the F-89 as well.
	Residents of Fort Resolution, up north, reporting UFO sightings.
	Something strange in the sky above Fort Resolution in the Northwest Territories over the years.
	Residents of the South Slave community have reported a number of UFOs, as it were.
	There's no obvious explanation for them.
	Cynthia Cardinale, a Fort Resolution resident, narrates a video she took two weeks ago saying, quote, You'll see there's lights shooting out the side of it, said she.
	You'll see the camera get a bit fuzzy.
	Don't they all?
	About two weeks ago, as she reached for bed, her husband rushed her out the back step, saying, look at the light.
	There's flashing out there.
	I looked up and said, wow.
	According to Cardinal, the light flashed red, blue, and white, hovered above the ground, about as high as an airplane.
	Her husband a trapper, so he didn't recognize the lights as stars or aurora borealis or northern lights.
	He knew what it wasn't.
	It's not the first time residents of Fort Resolution have spotted strange things in the skies.
	In the late 1990s, three military men visited the home of James Marsh Lafferty, saying they wanted her husband's video of an unexplained light.
	Three men, ladies and gentlemen, knocking on the door, wanting Wanting the video you took of something strange in the night sky in the north.
	I wonder who would knock on a door and demand such a video.
	I have a feeling tonight's guest just might know.
	And so in the next hour, of course, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Right now, I would like to invite you to just stand by a moment, and we will open the phone lines, listen carefully for the appropriate number for you.
	And we will, of course, begin to take calls from all of you out there.
	You're listening to Coast to Coast AM from Manila, the Philippines.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Here indeed I am.
	All right, if you go to the Coast2CoastAM.com website right now, and just go down under the Flight 93 Memorial site in Shanksville, you'll see a column that says, Recently, Oswawn Creature Updated.
	Click on that, and then you'll see the first photograph.
	Now, scroll down a little bit, and you'll see a second photograph.
	And you will see, also, that it says, Oswong, a shape-shifting creature of Filipino folklore that feeds on humans.
	Several listeners have written in to identify this creature as a large bat.
	Ha!
	View Source Image.
	Said to be taken with night vision photography.
	All right.
	All right, fine.
	Now, look at the close-up of this creature and where it is in relation to the... It's obviously behind the building.
	You can see the size of the building.
	You can see the size of the trees.
	And you can sure as hell see the size of this creature.
	And that's one big man.
	That's no bat.
	There's no way on God's green earth that's a bat.
	I don't know what it is, but it has sort of a paradoxical type shape to it, and it's big, whatever it is, and it's almost half of something in addition.
	So the close-up shows you a great deal more than we were able to see previously.
	I want you to take a good, good look at that and let me know what you think, but I think there's no way, no way that's a bat.
	And if it is, Matt, I don't ever want to meet up with anything like it.
	All right, to the phone lines we go.
	Let's begin over here west of the Rockies.
	You are on the air.
	Howdy.
	How are you doing, Art Bell, this evening?
	I'm doing just fine, sir.
	Okay.
	You're in competition right now with ABC because they've been showing this 9-11 series that's been on since 8 o'clock nonstop without any commercials.
	And I wanted to call your show because I received about 1,600 emails today and about three or four hundred telephone calls about 9-11.
	At that particular time prior to the event, I was one of the psychics that had contacted President Bush on two different occasions and his father six weeks prior to, and it's documented by KNBC, Channel 4 in Burbank, California, that on September the 10th, I had called in and spoke to David Bacar, who still works there, about the incident, but they did not allow me to come on.
	All right.
	What exactly did you tell David?
	I told David about the letters that I had sent to President Bush stating that on the 11th, the next day, that I had seen in visions attacks against New York, Washington D.C., the Pentagon, and also Los Angeles.
	I told him in a letter that I had instructed President Bush... Excuse me, one moment.
	Did you say Los Angeles?
	Exactly, Los Angeles as well.
	I see.
	Okay, well that one you missed on.
	Well, not necessarily so.
	The aircraft that was supposed to strike Los Angeles evidently didn't get off the ground from what I understood.
	Anyway, all of the information that I had given Uh, everything occurred.
	And on the day, 9-11, that the incident occurred in New York and the Pentagon, and as the aircraft 93 was heading towards the Capitol, I was contacted by David Bacar, who told me to get dressed and that NBC was going to have me on.
	And they decided at the last minute not to, because of the information that I had disseminated the night before.
	Now, the reason why I'm calling tonight, I have an exclusive prediction that I want to give you and your millions of listeners.
	Beware of what is about to happen in the Middle East, that this respite, this illusion of peace, is about to be broken very, very shortly with the United States, Israel, and England about to attack the 24-plus nuclear facilities in Iran, which will cause a nuclear conflagration in the Middle East before this year is over.
	Good Lord!
	Yes, good luck.
	Alright, well that's duly registered.
	I'm curious, you say that they backed away from going ahead and reporting this because of something you had said was sent out the previous evening, which was what?
	They would not let, they would not allow me on on September the 10th if any of your listeners wanted to want to check on on this thing.
	Okay, now that I understand.
	Look, I'm sorry, and I don't mean to make light of anything you've said, but on any given day, you know, I do coast-to-coast AM, so I can tell you right now, bud, I get about 3,000 emails a day.
	Now, of those 3,000 emails, at least 20, 30, 40 of them contain people who are having visions of destruction of this or that and give various dates and so forth and so on.
	And so, I mean, you just get a whole lot of this kind of thing.
	And I can understand they would have ignored it on the 10th.
	However, on the 11th, when you got your call saying they were going to put you on, I want to know why they then did not put you on.
	David Picard called me back and told me that the president at NBC and the president of the news department were fearful over the fact that they did not allow me to come on the day before on September the 10th and felt that heads would roll.
	That's why they did not allow me to come on.
	Well, see, that's a little hard to believe, because as I just said, we get a ton of these.
	All the media gets a ton of these all the time.
	We get probably more than our share because of the kind of show we do here.
	All right, I appreciate your prediction on the Mideast.
	Duly recorded.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I want to let you know that what I told you about the Middle East is going to happen, and this is Suleiman, the World Event Psychic, and I have 97.5% Accuracy, so I want you to remember what I told you this evening.
	Okay.
	Do we record it?
	You take care there.
	You take care too.
	I hope he's wrong.
	I surely do hope he's wrong and it certainly would be interesting to explore with David Bacar whether or not this really had occurred.
	I guess I could really understand both in a way.
	That is to say, ignoring him at first, and then perhaps in the middle of the coverage of what actually did happen, not putting him on.
	But in retrospect, do you think they would have gone back to him?
	Because of course, out of everybody's mouth was, where were all the psychics?
	Where were all the remote viewers?
	Where was everybody who should have predicted this?
	Well, possibly there was one.
	Well, Cardline, you're on the air.
	Thank you for taking my call, Art.
	It's Jeff from St.
	Louis.
	Yes, sir.
	Well, I want to talk about The Path to 9-11.
	Okay.
	If there was any truth, did you have a chance to see it yet?
	Uh, no.
	No.
	It does not air live here.
	Well, whatever truth was in that movie, it would be grounded out by the bad acting.
	The bad acting.
	Alright, so your impression was it was acted poorly.
	How about beyond that?
	Do you think the message was accurate?
	Well, considering how accurate could a movie drama be, I would say probably maybe 50-60% accurate considering it was a drama.
	You know what I'm saying.
	I guess I do.
	Not having seen it, I obviously... It's not considered a documentary.
	It's considered a movie.
	Mm-hmm.
	Got it.
	And I saw the segments that I recognized the sentence that they took out.
	They were replaced with a disclaimer.
	And what segments specifically were those?
	When, uh, one where they, uh, try to think of the fact, one was when they were canceled and air strike to take out Osama bin Laden because of possible civilian casualties.
	And I don't remember the other one.
	All right, I very much appreciate your call, and I'm sure that since we're in competition with that at the moment apparently, and probably will be for about the next 15 minutes or so, I have no idea how long it's going to run.
	There'll be a long stream of comments.
	Next wild card line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey Art, how's it going?
	It's Michael from Maryland.
	Hello Michael.
	Actually, not too far off from your old alma mater, but that's another issue, eh?
	Anyways, I'm calling to actually have a little story I wanted to share with you and your listeners, and I wanted to ask you a question.
	So should I do the story first?
	Your choice.
	Okay, well, you know, the Sopranos was on.
	I was over at my bud's house, and after the Sopranos, I'm in my car, driving home.
	Now, certainly, you know, I had a few cigars and some beer, but it was nothing major.
	And I looked down at my clock, and I noticed the clock, it was I think like 11 or maybe midnight, right?
	And then I look up, and right in the sky, I see these three lights.
	And I'm just figuring it's a plane, because I'm not too far off from BWI and all.
	So I start slowing down, because I'm fascinated by this thing, and it starts coming at me.
	And then it gets, you know, probably, you know, I don't know, a few thousand feet away, and it starts going back in the sky.
	But the interesting thing was, Was that it started doing a clockwise swirl, and then it vanished, and you know, I didn't see it again.
	We're talking about tonight?
	Oh, no, no, this was a few months ago, on the last episode of Sopranos.
	Yeah, but I mean, it really jarred me, you know, I mean, I was telling myself, it can't just be a plane, it has to be a UFO or something, I don't know, maybe you were out on a spaceship that night, I don't know, man, you know, what do you think?
	I don't have the slightest idea, and I would like to be more helpful than that, but all I can always say to people like yourself is, welcome to the club.
	You know, I had my own sighting, a very profound close-up sighting, and I don't know, you get these reports of sightings of objects that are fairly obviously not terrestrial in origin, and I don't know what else you say to somebody like that, other than, Welcome to the club.
	You are now one of millions and millions and millions of Americans who have seen something that does not belong here.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Okay, Art.
	The 9-11 attack was planned, trained for, and executed within the borders of the United States.
	It was a military operation.
	And when you get hit within your perimeter, you secure the perimeter.
	Okay, you called me last week with the same line.
	Right, but I want to add to it because on the attack, 9-11, that night, I went down to the Trade Center area.
	And I've seen, you know, I've seen a twisted fire truck being towed out of there.
	I've seen the off-duty police officers and firemen.
	And the fathers of the firemen who responded earlier in the day, who were missing, obviously, were in the rubble.
	Going down there, tears coming down there.
	These guys' eyes.
	And I'm saying to myself, look what these animals, look what they did to this country.
	And when I think about that event, it's five years now.
	Five years.
	Wow.
	It goes like that.
	But nothing has been done.
	The Bush administration, you've got to realize, has actually increased student visas for Saudi Arabia and Egypt.
	And those were the terrorists who came in and destroyed those buildings on that day.
	I don't think it's fair to say that nothing has been done.
	That's inaccurate.
	I mean, we have gone to Afghanistan and killed an awful lot of people who we feel were connected with that organization to the point that I think almost even the critics agree that we have crippled Al-Qaeda with what we've done.
	So it's not fair to say nothing has been done.
	I'm talking about inside the borders of the United States.
	Actually, the Taliban and al-Qaeda are actually making a comeback in Afghanistan.
	Because we really didn't clean up the problem there.
	But you know, if we had a choice after 9-11 between attacking Iraq or rounding up every illegal alien in America, I think level-headed Americans would have said, let's get the illegal aliens out of America.
	Because in that net, you would get the American haters, agents, foreign agents who hate America, who want to destroy America, terrorist groups.
	You have to realize it's also a fundraising apparatus that they're setting up in America.
	I know that is going on, yeah.
	But I think that most fair Americans would not say that a reasonable reaction would be to round up every single illegal alien.
	I just don't think that would be a fair reaction.
	Art, you're a pretty sharp guy, usually on the ball, but I think you're wrong on that one.
	What Bush is doing is he's invading the world, he's inviting the world to America, and we're in hock to the world.
	Currently.
	Gotta remember, on 9-11, also, people forget.
	Now, I was in New York at the time.
	The night of 9-11 attack, the bomb squad went to the Empire State Building.
	They said it was false alarm.
	The bomb squad also went to the GW, the George Washington Bridge.
	False alarm.
	Now, I'm under the belief that unless it's obvious, they will never say it was a terrorist attack or anything was there.
	We don't know if anything was planted in those two structures that day or that night.
	Right after 9-11, Clean Air Chrissy went down to the Trade Center and said the air was clean.
	Now, I was down there that night.
	I usually hate to use the term, but it was a toxic dump.
	That's how bad it smelled down there.
	Clean Air Chrissy was saying it was good for the Bush administration.
	Also, a couple of months later, one of the big banks had a vault in the Trade Center,
	and as soon as all the gold was removed, they were telling the firemen to get out of there,
	you're not part of the recovery no more.
	Giuliani, America's mayor, he's a caricature.
	They were arresting the firemen.
	You should have seen how outraged the people of New York City were when that was taking
	place.
	So folks, if you're going to let them sugarcoat everything, because these politicians today,
	I mean, to me, it's ghoulish and macabre to see these politicians give speeches about
	9-11 when they're the ones responsible for 9-11 by keeping the borders wide open.
	Two of those terrorists, or two or three of them, were already on CIA-Al Qaeda watch lists.
	You should see the applications for their visas.
	They're incomplete!
	They're not even complete!
	And they were in our flight schools.
	Tell him the Fight Instructors and those Patriotic Fight Instructors said we have Arab speaking guys in this In our flight schools who can't even, really can't speak that well.
	That is true.
	But they don't want to learn how to land the planes.
	Come on!
	No, that's absolutely true.
	All of that is absolutely true.
	And nobody's saying that we're not mistakes made.
	There certainly were.
	But there were some very alert flight instructors who started saying, hey, what the hell is this?
	Why do people want to learn how to fly planes and they don't care about the landing part, particularly commercial airplanes of this sort?
	No, you know, some of that is correct.
	I don't think that an appropriate reaction to 9-11 would be to round up everybody who is perhaps illegally here, millions and millions of people.
	No, I wouldn't think that's an appropriate reaction.
	I'm not really sure what is.
	And, you know, a lot of you might want to put yourself in the position of the President of the United States following an attack of that sort.
	What and who would you go after and how would you do it?
	And what would you do differently than what the administration did do?
	First-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Okay, I'm told instead of putting the first-time caller line on the air, we need to take a break.
	So let's do that and then we'll go to the first-time caller line.
	We'll be right back.
	Alright, see I'll forget those if I'm not urged to remember them.
	Let's try the first time caller line.
	Scott in California, now you're on the air.
	Yes, good evening Art.
	It's an honor to speak with you sir.
	A couple weekends ago you made a comment in regards to karma and I just wanted to pass something by you and I'll take your thoughts off air.
	Perhaps we're not supposed to learn from, like if you're a smoker, if you don't quit smoking in
	one life, you might be a smoker in the next.
	Perhaps it's just going through the experience that is what we learn from.
	Perhaps it's not necessary to learn everything.
	Perhaps it's just the experience itself that's learning.
	I just want to say that by you.
	Maybe, but if you don't somehow learn the detriments, let's put it that way, of smoking
	in this life, and you don't end up dying of some smoking-related illness, despite what
	some eager anti-smoking physician might write on your death certificate, then how are you
	going to know it in the next life?
	That is true, that is true.
	With no conscious memory Of what befell you in the last life, even if something did happen that was no good, how's it going to help you?
	This has always been my problem with reincarnation.
	Alright, well thank you again.
	You're very welcome.
	Thank you for the call.
	I don't know how much time we have, but Wester the Rockies, you're on the air.
	How dare you?
	Mr. Bell, how dare you?
	I dare.
	I didn't fool you, did I?
	No, but it was pretty good.
	This is not heat.
	I just wanted to confirm, Art, that the F-89C Scorpion was armed with six 20mm cannon, carried no rockets, no missiles.
	The genie, unguided, atomic warheaded air-to-air missile, the prototype flew in perhaps 1957.
	So whatever's at the bottom of that lake is not a genie rocket.
	Well, maybe, maybe not, but whatever it is, it's big, it's teardrop-shaped, and it's the only thing next or anywhere near the aircraft.
	If you ask me... That's a terrestrial to me.
	Kind of sounds that way to me, too.
	Thank you very much.
	I have no idea what it is.
	Thank you very, very much for the call, and take care.
	Whatever it is, it's teardrop-shaped, it's big, and it's right next to the F-89.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
	That would be me.
	Hi everybody, how you doing?
	Across the globe, it's great to have you with me.
	Coming up in a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer, founder and CEO of Space Energy Access Systems, also founder and director of the Disclosure Project.
	He is an emergency room physician, former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital.
	Dr. Greer is a lifetime member of the Alpha Omega Alpha Society, I guess.
	The nation's most prestigious medical honor society.
	Society, indeed.
	He has appeared on several national programs, which include Larry King, CBS, BBC, and TV in Japan.
	This program frequently, Dr. Greer has been supervising a worldwide search for alternative energy sources, specifically those known as zero-point or over-unity devices, with a plan to identify and develop systems which will eliminate the need for fossil fuels.
	In a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Alright, coming up in a moment, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	The last time he was on the program, by the way, he made a very controversial statement about SETI getting hit, SETI actually receiving any number of signals to it, and there were a number of, some British publications actually did Uh, report on that, albeit somewhat flippantly, but they did report on it.
	Now, just before Dr. Greer comes on, I've got a letter I want to read.
	This will no doubt provoke him to some degree, but I would like to get his reaction.
	It comes from a young lady in Chicago, Jeanette in Chicago, who says, I have a few things I'd like to ask Dr. Greer just to get his response, or you might consider the perspective described below and pose a couple of questions.
	I do believe there's something out there.
	So many sightings by reliable people, even evidence left behind, though to date this has never indicated extraterrestrial life forms as their only possible exclusive source.
	However, What bothers me about the Disclosure Project and the government conspiracy theories in general is that they seem to be not much more than a distraction from the real UFO research.
	I don't think the government knows much about UFOs and suspect they dropped their own investigations like Blue Book because they couldn't find any answers and scientific research is not their job.
	From cases I've read, from Blue Book and elsewhere, it seems the UFOs can be run off, though not captured, by F-16s and other pursuers And that may be enough to satisfy the military when they have no other effective options to defend against them.
	If the U.S.
	or any other nation on Earth possessed magical weapons and or vehicles back-engineered from extraterrestrial technologies, wouldn't we be deploying them in Iraq or elsewhere?
	Wouldn't Rumsfeld just love to send a black triangle to Iran or North Korea just to hover menacingly over their nuclear facilities as a not-so-subtle threat?
	Yet I haven't heard any reports.
	What better opportunity might the military be waiting 4.
	To unleash this awesome power, why not send a couple of saucers to Afghanistan to abduct Osama Bin Laden?
	Or disable the mobile missile launchers raining bombs on Israel?
	Such a show of force would shut up those terrorist suckers for good and all, wouldn't it?
	Jacques Vallée has noted that where science has left a vacuum in UFO studies, a lot of mystics of one kind or another have rushed in to provide explanations, usually asking for a donation.
	UFOs being secular and non-denominational?
	It seems that Stephen Greer and others who promote government conspiracy theories have begun to elevate the U.S.
	government to something like a priestly class of ancient civilizations, as though the government is some magical set of people with secret and direct lines of communication to these mysterious ETs.
	Somehow I just can't agree with that view.
	I just don't think that badgering the U.S.
	government about UFOs is going to give humanity any answers, but Greer's and others' similar views do lend the US government an aura of omniscient and supernatural powers by putting them in league with E.T.'s.
	This is very dangerous in any democracy.
	I also don't quite understand linking the UFO phenomena to a ban on space-deployed weapons.
	If there are hostile forces in the universe out to get us, seems there's a crying need for space-based weapons.
	Of course, supposedly the ETs come in peace, although by some accounts they also abduct, rape and exploit human beings, with a truly frightening indifference that doesn't seem peaceful.
	Instead of whining about the CIA opening its files, it might be more useful if Greer et al.
	helped to collect and analyze whatever data is available on UFOs to try and find out what these things really are.
	If the government knew, they'd be using it.
	Studies conducted by private groups could avoid the red tape of government bureaucracy and ensure that whatever information they find won't be kept secret by some power-hungry cabal.
	SETI is one method of investigation.
	If the ETs actually employ radio frequencies and can speak a human language and or perceive and comprehend images from Earth, that's a pretty tall order, considering that the ETs could be some form of highly evolved silicon or nitrogen for all we know.
	Dr. Greer, welcome to the program.
	Thank you.
	Would you like to respond to all of that?
	Well, what part of it?
	I mean, it's a diatribe with about, I don't know, I'd have to write them out, probably 20 or 30 factual errors.
	The big one being that only a very naive person would think, quote, the government of the United States is hiding anything.
	I've said many times on this program and elsewhere that in my meetings with the CIA director and other high officials that they actually don't know anything that's going on, and I'm convinced they're not lying.
	I've described, actually, rogue and highly classified projects that are very compartmentalized that have, more specifically, Uh, had their power center in financial and corporate centers rather than the government of the United States per se.
	So I think it's a, it's a mistake to think that the government, uh, whatever that is in her mind would be hiding anything.
	I've found that most people in Washington, uh, quite frankly, couldn't find their, their behinds in a well lighted room with both hands on this subject and a lot of other subjects of great importance.
	Okay.
	She makes the point that if we had such technology that we would use it, for example, in Iraq or perhaps Afghanistan, if nothing more than to scare the crap out of them.
	Well, of course, many people would assume that who don't understand what the technology is involved.
	If they were used in a conventional situation, such as she described and that you just described, in reality they would then be disclosed.
	If they were disclosed, This will result in people realizing that we don't need fossil fuels to run jets or cars, for that matter, or power plants.
	And with that, you would say goodbye to the $200 trillion asset base that a handful of corporations and individuals control that involves oil, gas, and coal.
	So I think that, you know, it's a very simplistic idea that just because, say, a compartmentalized project at Lockheed or Northrop may have developed these things, That they would be used in a, frankly, a conventional situation, such as Iraq, or the current problems with North Korea, because they would view it as there would be a great deal more at stake by their using them.
	The same thing goes for the space program.
	I mean, my uncle was a senior project engineer at Grumman, and built the lunar module that put Neil Armstrong on the moon, and by the time that that was being built, and I describe this in my new book, Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge, We already had these sort of so-called anti-gravity, some would call them, or electro-gravitic technologies fully operational.
	In fact, there are photographs of these being test flown outside of Provol, Utah and other locations in the United States as early as 1964, and I suspect they existed before then.
	The question is, why didn't we use them in the late 60s to go to the moon?
	Well, because by using them, they would have been disclosed, and if they were disclosed, The enormous financial and geopolitical interest that would like to keep all of us addicted to oil and controlled in a metered, linear sort of energy system would no longer be able to do that.
	Alright, she also makes the point that we're trying to deploy space-based weapons.
	I know you're very much against that, but she says, according to many reports, the ETs don't come in peace.
	In fact, they abduct, rape, and exploit human beings in a truly indifferent manner.
	And that doesn't seem peaceful at all, according to her, and so we might need space-based weapons.
	Well, you know, it's interesting.
	When I went to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in the 90s and met with the Foreign Technology Division there, it was actually at that time called the Foreign Aerospace Science and Technology Center, and this was the unit that had received the so-called Roswell debris from the 40s.
	And one of the colonels there that I was meeting with said, you know, well, gee, you know, what if these visitors from elsewhere are hostile?
	And I said, well, aside from the fact there's no evidence of that, If they were, I doubt we'd be breathing the free air of Earth and having this conversation, given the fact that we have used, and forget F-16s, as she describes, very advanced electromagnetic weapons, and we have had weapons that have already been deployed into space in violation of treaties.
	If they were truly hostile, we would have had our clock cleaned many decades ago.
	As for the body of evidence that we're being, quote, raped by aliens, I find it very thin.
	In fact, I think it's a lot of disinformation designed to support the billions of dollars that will eventually be spent, and perhaps trillions, in trying to export these sort of weapon systems into space.
	Well, it's a good point that we don't have that many enemies left on Earth with the Soviet Union dissolving as it did.
	I'm not sure you can make a case for massive space-based defense systems, if you want to call them that, based on what's left in terms of a giant threatening force against us here on Earth.
	Is that fair?
	Yeah, I think there's been a long-term plan, and I certainly think it was hatched somewhere in the late 50s and 60s, to eventually disinform the public and scare the bejeebies out of people with these sort of frightening alien stories, and all the movies and nonsense that go with it.
	Support a multi trillion dollar build up and and essentially if you remember the movie Independence Day, you know, it's just let's kick alien But let's unite the whole world against an alien threat and I think this is an attempt to consolidate the power around certain military and and corporate and financial interests and I think it has no more validity than a The exaggerations that were reported on our forces in the Gulf of Tonkin during the Vietnam era, which has now been proven to have been something that was a sort of a false report to get the funds and to expand the funding for that conflict.
	So these sort of tricks are played a lot.
	I think that the public should be very skeptical of this sort of fear mongering and saber rattling, and particularly when it talks about, you know, going into space using weapons and targeting I know you do.
	Last program we did, the last hour we did together, you made a statement about SETI that did, in fact, cause a couple of publications in England to run stories, albeit, as I said, somewhat skeptical or with the usual grin involved, but they did run stories about the show that we did together.
	I wonder if you want to do any follow-up to that?
	Of course, as you know, SETI came on the air a day or two later, and as you could easily predict, denied everything.
	Yes, of course, and you would expect them to deny everything, just like NASA would deny that we've ever encountered any of these objects in space, even though, albeit he later retracted it, Buzz Aldrin himself said that we encountered these mysterious things on the way to the moon.
	If you want to know the little bombshell, there's a person on our team who worked with Purdue University, which is of course the aerospace engineering departments where Neil Armstrong and many astronauts had graduated from, and was on a committee with Neil Armstrong some years ago.
	And we learned this week, was told directly by Neil Armstrong, that when he stepped off the lunar module, which my uncle had worked on with Grumman and had taken the first man to the moon, that we were surrounded by extraterrestrial vehicles during the lunar landing.
	The question is... Now that's a bombshell.
	Yeah, it is.
	And we have, by the way, we have more than one source for this, including military classified projects that have A man that we're working with who have actually seen the film footage, so the public needs to say, well, where is the footage?
	And the denials notwithstanding, there's too much evidence that these things are out there for them to just simply say, oh, we've never encountered or seen anything.
	Anyone with a grain of sense knows that the bull face lie.
	So, you know, a newsflash, people who deal with this issue make up stories and lie about it.
	I think the public should hold them accountable.
	Oh, my God.
	First of all, Neil Armstrong, of all the astronauts, has probably been more tight-lipped than I think any of them, frankly.
	Correct.
	Very, very tight-lipped.
	And you're telling me... Let's go over it again.
	You're saying that Neil Armstrong has said to one or more people... Correct.
	...that the moment he stepped off that lander, he was surrounded by extraterrestrial craft.
	Correct.
	And that this... And I have also interviewed More than one military person who has seen the actual footage of that, that the public was never shown.
	Of course, you know there's a lot of controversy right now about NASA having misplaced a lot of this film footage, but you misplace into a black hole.
	But the point here is that, yes, the new alarms, I think the important thing to remember also, and I've never shared this, but I have put this in my memoir, Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge, which has just come out, that the fact is When we invited Neil Armstrong to come and meet with members of Congress in 1997, through a good friend of his, who's very supportive of the Disclosure Project and CSETI, we heard back from this man, and he had been told by Neil Armstrong that, indeed, they had encountered these objects, but that he felt that if he were to come out with that information, that his family would be killed.
	And I was stunned at the time, this was 1997, and disturbed by this, of course, and I certainly respected Neil Armstrong's decision not to come to that event where we were having, of course, chairmen of committees from the Congress being briefed on this matter that we had organized.
	But the problem, I think, is that there has been a great deal of fear and intimidation And it's a shame that these men, who really are heroes of our country and have accomplished enormous feats of courage in space travel, cannot report back to the taxpayers who put them there the truth about what they encountered as they landed on the Moon.
	Oh my God!
	I do find it a little suspicious that probably mankind's biggest achievement since we've been walking the Earth ...was said to have been captured in high-resolution photographs, not the fuzzy little pictures we saw of Neil Armstrong stepping off the lander, but indeed by high-resolution pictures, which NASA, of course, now says they have lost.
	Now, that is a little hard to swallow, Doctor.
	Yes, it is, and I think that even more disturbing, it goes back before the lunar landing, At DisclosureProject.org, people can see the testimony and get the testimony from people who saw the high-quality digital lunar orbiter images of artificial structures that were on the moon, that were in the terminator, the sort of the area between the light and the dark part of the moon, that were filmed while we were mapping the moon a few years before we put the first man there, because obviously, you know, the lunar orbiter was sent up to
	photograph the surface of the moon prior to putting a man on the moon in the lunar module, which my uncle had worked on.
	So I think that there, too, there's an enormous body of photographic evidence and data that has been secreted into a compartmentalized area.
	And, you know, contrary to the sort of naivete from the person who wrote the letter that you read at the beginning of this hour, the idea that The government, the general government of the United States, has access to this, is a canard.
	You know, Gordon Cooper himself, and this is another bombshell I want to drop if you care to hear another one, told me personally, with my wife standing beside me at a meeting in Washington D.C.
	a couple of years ago, before he died, that he had given Secretary of Defense Cohen, who
	is the Secretary of Defense for Bill Clinton in the last years of his presidency, that
	he had given him the information about his group filming a landing UFO at the Edwards
	facility in 1956, I believe it was, and that the data and the specifics of that were conveyed
	to the Secretary of Defense, who, of course, is head of the Pentagon, etc.
	And when he made inquiries, he basically was told no such footage exists, even though Gordon
	Cooper, another hero of our country and one of the early astronauts, personally handled
	that footage and personally had it flown back on a plane to Washington.
	My God.
	Um, all right.
	And going back to Neil Armstrong, you have one or multiple sources on the statement?
	Yes, I do.
	One or multiple.
	No, no, no.
	One or multiple.
	I'm sorry.
	One or multiple.
	Multiple sources of people I know where, who have had these conversations with, um, Neil Armstrong.
	I will also say that a close associate of Buzz Aldrin, I will not say who it is, but it's someone extremely close to him, has told me personally, face-to-face, that in fact they did encounter these extraterrestrial vehicles, or ETVs, as they were called at the National Security Agency.
	They weren't called UFOs, only, you know, sort of amateur hour of calls in that.
	And this is something that they've had to live with, and it's been an enormous burden, I believe, to these heroes.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	I'm Art Bell from Manila.
	I'll tell you what, every time we have Dr. Greer on, he manages to do this, just totally blow me away.
	He's an emergency room physician.
	He has every reason in the world, in my opinion, not to be doing what he is doing.
	It can, from my point of view, only seem harmful to his career.
	He's making some statements that are, well, Pretty outlandish.
	The latest being, in my opinion, about Neil Armstrong, that the moment he stepped off the lander, he saw alien craft all around him.
	And he didn't say anything for fear that his family would be killed.
	Now that's an incredible statement.
	Absolutely incredible.
	And yet you just heard it here on Coast to Coast AM.
	more of Dr. Greer in a moment.
	I really think if you were to do a survey of the American people above, I don't know, age 30 or 40, you
	would find, and you asked, what is mankind's biggest achievement so far?
	You know, after working on the planet, after building the industrial civilization we have, what is our biggest achievement?
	And I think without question, The number one item would be the fact that we went to the moon.
	A man stood on the moon.
	You may all remember those kind of blurry, jittery pictures that we saw of Neil Armstrong stepping off the lander onto the moon's surface.
	They should be indelibly inscribed in every memory out there.
	And to now know that there were detailed high-resolution photographs, pictures, video even, of all of this, but somehow NASA has lost it, is a little difficult for me to swallow.
	A little difficult, very difficult for me to swallow.
	And here now we have Dr. Greer saying Neil Armstrong claims he saw craft, according to more than one source, all around him, alien craft.
	I was afraid that his family would be killed should he actually report that.
	Dr. Greer, you are an emergency physician.
	You have a lot to lose by making statements like this.
	You have a lot to lose by doing the kind of work you're doing.
	Maybe we should go back a little bit and try and understand what somebody with your professional background and accomplishments, why you would do what you're doing and risk your career.
	Well, because I think that this is one of the most important areas that have been kept secret in human history.
	And it's not just that we're not alone in the universe, that there's intelligent life in the universe, but that there is a wondrous new source of energy and propulsion that has been studied, that has been perfected, and that has been hijacked from the people of the world.
	And that that has led us now, of course it's 9-11 on the East Coast, to this chronic oil addiction that has caused us to be decamped in the Middle East and to be damaging the biosphere and maintaining a world economic situation where 80% of the world's population lives in terrible poverty.
	I think that this issue is related to all of that and I think that when I came to realize the extent of the secrecy and what was really being kept from the public.
	It was something that I just thought I had to come out in public about.
	But you know, my interest in this goes back to my childhood.
	I had a sighting of one of these UFOs in broad daylight when I was a little boy, about 8 or 9 years old.
	But years later, I had quite an extraordinary contact with the UFO and with the ETs on it.
	And I think that that, of course, altered my life tremendously.
	It certainly ranks up there as one of the most life-altering experiences of my life.
	I guess the one that would be even larger was the near-death experience I had when I was 17, about six months before this contact experience.
	And so, for me, this is not just an academic issue.
	I know that there's intelligent life out there.
	Quite frankly, I know that it is benign.
	I know that we have Tremendous advances in science and technology that, frankly, the taxpayers have paid for, and which is being hidden from us to the detriment of the development of the human race.
	I tell people that while many people think that what we're discussing sounds very futuristic, I said on the contrary, we're really trying to play catch-up that the natural course of human evolution and societal development has been retarded for at least 50 years and maybe longer.
	Doctor, let's follow up on the benign part because it is important in deciding how to respond to all of this.
	You said you know quite frankly that it is benign.
	How do you know that?
	Well, we have over 500 military and intelligence witnesses to projects dating from the 40s all the way into the 90s and even more recently.
	Not a single one of them has reported anything that would indicate hostility And yet we have numerous of them who have reported that we have used weapon systems to attempt to target and down and in some occasions have successfully downed these extraterrestrial vehicles.
	I think that my own personal experience with the phenomenon is that it most certainly is not hostile.
	And I have to point out that not everything that we don't fully understand is necessarily a threat.
	And although it's natural for humans to be afraid of things which they do not control or fully understand, I think when you start talking about the weaponization of space and leaping to irrational conclusions about a threat from outer space, that one should really take a step back and look at the big picture.
	And the data doesn't support that.
	For example, we have the testimony on DisclosureProject.org of Colonel Dietrichson, who was with the Atomic Energy Commission after a career in the Air Force.
	And he was in charge of all the nuclear facilities in the United States and nuclear processing areas.
	And he said every single one of these facilities were being observed by these UFOs in the 50s and 60s because he felt that they apparently were quite concerned about this destructive ability that we had He also confirmed that there was an attempt to fire a nuclear-tipped object missile that would have traveled all the way to the moon and been detonated there, and it was intercepted by extraterrestrial vehicles as it became exoatmospheric, meaning after it left the atmosphere.
	And there's no evidence, on the other hand, That they have turned around and done anything hostile towards us.
	And so I think that while there may be a great deal about these issues we don't fully understand, I think to reach an assumption of that they're hostile and that we need to respond in a violent way is an enormous mistake.
	And I think this is why it's important One of the things I discussed with the former Minister of Defense, Paul Hellyer, up in Canada a couple months ago is that it's very important for people like him and other people who have been in leadership positions around the world to combine, to look into this issue and to really attempt to put together a team of people to make peaceful and open contact with these visitors.
	I know that you feel that it's very important that we look into the energy aspect of whatever might drive these vehicles.
	And there was recently a story that had nothing to do with ETs or UFOs or anything else from Europe.
	I kind of follow these stories, and I bet you're familiar with it.
	This scientist invited other scientists to examine a find he had made regarding something that would power motor vehicles, would power cell phones, would power anything you like.
	He had a workable model and invited scientists to examine it.
	Now, Shirley, you know about this.
	Yes, this is the STIORN group out of Ireland and we are actively in dialogue with them and we hope to have an opportunity to evaluate these claims at some point in the near future.
	Do you know anything further about it at all?
	Do you know anybody who has yet looked at it and was able to in any way validate or stamp out this story or what?
	No, and this is something we very much want to get to the bottom of.
	I certainly hope it's true.
	Whether it is or not remains to be proven.
	I do believe that at least they're doing the correct thing by inviting scientists from around the world to actually test the system and Validate it, and I should also say reproduce it, because that is the sine qua non of the scientific method, is that it needs to be scientifically reproducible and tested and validated by objective third parties.
	And I think when you're dealing with something this important, it needs to be multiple objective independent third parties.
	And this is exactly what we have been pursuing in our investigation of these sorts of devices.
	Well, it's certainly tantalizing, because the way they're approaching it, it's very inviting to imagine it might be real.
	Otherwise, why invite everybody to examine it?
	So, you know, it might be the real McCoy, and it's the first one I've seen in years that might be.
	I know you've examined many.
	How many have you found to actually have promise?
	Really, there are only a couple that have promise, and they are held by people who have been intimidated or frightened.
	to come forward.
	Some of them have had colleagues who have been assassinated, and many people don't believe that would be possible, and I think they're just extremely naive to think that these sort of interests are not capable of that.
	They certainly are.
	One of the things that I disclose in my memoir, Hidden Truths, Forbidden Knowledge, which we've just released, is we were approached by Former CIA Director Bill Colby in the 90s and he had an operational extraterrestrial based energy device that would generate enormous amounts of free energy and he wanted to transfer that to our group as well as adequate funding to be able to be sure it would get out to the public and sustain any suppression attempts.
	And the week that he was going to meet with a member of my board, they found him floating down the Potomac River.
	And was murdered and a colonel who was one of his best friends, actually was his best friend, who set up the meeting, told me directly that Colby was murdered for defecting from this group that had been sitting on this sort of information.
	And I think that one of the things that we have to do is, number one, not respond to fear and intimidation, which we do not.
	And number two, encourage many people to come forward with this sort of information.
	And to do it at once.
	This is what we did with the Disclosure Project, and this is why we put together literally dozens of men and women who had top-secret clearances from diverse components of military and corporate projects who had first-hand knowledge of these UFOs and projects connected to them.
	And that's what DisclosureProject.org has.
	And I think that we want to do that now with these technologies as well.
	And I think it's wonderful that one of the ways that this group in Ireland, if in fact they do have something that can be validated, is that they went public with the fact they have it.
	I think the big mistake that many of these scientists in the past have made, and this is something that we are recommending that they not repeat, Is to try to be quiet about something like this.
	I think that 99.9% of the world's population would support such a energy breakthrough that would get us off of fossil fuels and the damaging effects to the environment and our entanglements in the Middle East.
	And I think that the way to do it is to do exactly what this group in Ireland has done, and that is announce that they have it and invite scientists to evaluate it and have millions of people aware of it.
	Because then it makes it very difficult to shove that off the radar scope, and I think that's exactly what you should do.
	I think people make a mistake when they think they're going to outfox this secret group, and themselves sort of buy into trying to do things in a secretive way.
	It just doesn't work.
	Okay, a couple of years ago on this program, you thought that you were on to one of these sources of energy.
	You were very, very excited about it.
	What became of that?
	Well, the man who has it was intimidated and never wanted to reproduce and deliver to our group an operating system.
	And we're now working with a couple of other inventors who have systems that I think are even better.
	We're trying to encourage them to come forward.
	But it's a very difficult process.
	As I said, I think that this is something that's existed and certainly Lieutenant Colonel Tom Bearden and others Have documented that the breakthroughs like this have probably existed since the early part of the 20th century and have fallen into the wrong hands or have been suppressed.
	Since I spoke with you last, you know, we've met a man that developed a number of these systems and worked with General Motors in developing the electric vehicle, but also have worked with some of these other technologies.
	And one of the colleagues that he had worked with was blown up in his lab, made to look like an accident, and this of course put a chill through his enthusiasm to do anything.
	Now he's decided that the world has really gone downhill so far in terms of its environmental situation and geopolitical situation that Perhaps the risks of doing nothing are greater than the risks of having the courage to step forward.
	So these are the kind of people we're still looking for, and we encourage them to contact us so that we can help them secure these technologies, get them validated, and get them properly disclosed and disseminated to the public.
	Dr. Greer, in view of what you just said about Neil Armstrong, now he's getting on in age, do you think Neil Armstrong, with that kind of knowledge, would go to his grave with that kind of knowledge?
	Or do you think that eventually, as he gets closer to the end, he or some of the other astronauts who know what Neil Armstrong, you claim, knows, would say something?
	Would say, look, I can't carry this burden anymore.
	I would hope so, and I think that it is a burden.
	I think you're correct in how you phrase that.
	I do know that one of these astronauts had a tremendous amount of psychological problems being forced to keep a secret like this.
	I will tell you that when we first gathered together, the Disclosure Project, military witnesses, some of them who were old enough to be my grandfather, literally hugged me and wept.
	That they finally could talk about it, that we had created a momentum with dozens of people with enough profile and enough support, I might add, within the covert projects.
	There's at least 40-50% of this covert group that now wants to see this disclosure happen, I might add, that they would come forward and talk about it because many of these people who have seen these really life-altering things and earth-shattering developments It becomes an enormous psychological burden to sit on that and not be able to discuss it and not let people know what the truth is.
	And I think that in that sense, there is, time is on our side that people eventually will try to come forward.
	And I encourage people like Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong and other people who were in the compartmentalized projects within NASA and The aerospace industry who have information about this to come forward.
	You know, after I was on your show last, an engineer with Lockheed Martin came forward with information about the back engineering or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial vehicles and their application in some of the systems that we have today.
	And he has offered to come forward.
	And we're continuing to ask for people like this to step forward, because I think it's very important And I think that it's not only a service to the world, I think it's a service to these people because they know it's wrong to keep something this important secret from their fellow humans.
	Did he actually mention to you any technology that has resulted in, you know, something we have now?
	He mentioned that there are some spin-off technologies that have been used in some of our modern aircraft that were inspired by the extraterrestrial vehicles we've studied.
	And he certainly knew of other more classified projects.
	The B-2 Stealth Bomber has some components to it that are the result of studying ET vehicles, for example.
	There are even a few aspects of the shuttle which have some components in it that are the result of that.
	Although, of course, the basic propulsion system of things like the shuttle are still quite primitive
	and are using the old-fashioned 1940s-style rocket stuff.
	But in reality, these sort of breakthroughs are increasingly well-documented by these sort of top-secret witnesses who are stepping forward, and we're calling on more to do so.
	And also, you mentioned the SETI project.
	They're bound to be other people and I who know of this and we would encourage those who do to come forward and also be willing to come forward publicly.
	It does put me a bit in a bind when people give me information, but they're not willing to step forward.
	And of course, it's easy for people to say, oh, well, you know, Greer's being given a, you know, a bunch of nonsense.
	But if I hear from one person, I'll put it into my gray basket.
	But when I hear it from three or four, And it's the same type of corroborating information and those people don't know each other and they're getting it from different angles.
	If three sources are good enough for the New York Times, it's good enough for me.
	And frankly, I think that what we have to do is have more people come forward through this disclosure project effort.
	And including these technologies, because we need to go from testimony and evidence, which is really pretty well proven now, about the existence of these so-called UFOs, to the technologies behind them, so that our civilization can now move on to its next level of functioning.
	And I think that until we do, we're going to find that we're going to have increasing problems.
	I look at it almost in a Well, it's sort of a spiritual way that because we have not gone with the natural evolutionary development, we have ended up being harmed, and we're harming ourselves and harming our planet.
	That'll continue until we get this right.
	All right, Doctor.
	Hold it right there.
	From Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Once again, here I am.
	My guest, of course, is Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Jamie in Venice Beach, California says, Hey Art, would you please ask Dr. Greer to describe his personal encounter slash experience with the extraterrestrials.
	What transpired and why?
	What did they communicate to him?
	And what did they look like?
	What does he think of the Greys?
	And how can they all be, as he suggests, benign?
	Doctor?
	Well, I think that the start, the beginning part of it, my first sighting, I just saw a craft at some distance.
	I was a young boy, about 8 or 9 years old.
	But when I was 17, I injured my leg and I got very sick.
	And I ended up bicycling 200 miles from Charlotte, North Carolina, where I grew up, to the North Carolina outer barrier islands on the coast.
	It spread, and I got sicker, and one thing led to another, and I had a near-death experience.
	And in that near-death experience, and I'm sharing this just because I think it's important to understand the context of the context that followed.
	Because I was raised in a non-religious background, I didn't know what to expect, and I left my body, and I went into space, and I had an experience of really the most beautiful consciousness, sort of a divine cosmic awareness.
	And it was truly beautiful and life-altering.
	And during that experience, I eventually had met two scintillating lights, which I later came to understand were sort of like, some people would call it like a manifestation of Godhead.
	And it was a beautiful experience.
	There was no fear, it was joyous, and it was beautiful.
	And after some time, I was actually asked, you know, whether I would continue to go on or come back to Earth.
	And I said, well, what is your will?
	What should I do?
	And it was expressed to me that I should come back to Earth, which I actually wasn't interested in doing.
	And as I came back and reentered my body, I had brought with me this sort of understanding of the nature of Mind that the consciousness that we have within us is actually always a universal resonance field that's perfectly integrated with this, some would call cosmic mind or universal being.
	And it was in that context that I began to really investigate these sorts of things and began to learn meditation and having been raised in a totally non-religious family, I started to study prayer and it was just a very mind-opening and spirit-opening time in my life.
	I went off to college, I turned 18 in June of that year, 73, and I went off to college.
	I was up in the mountains of North Carolina hiking one day, and I went up to the top of this mountain above the little town of Boone, North Carolina, up to a mountain that was about 05 or a little over 5,000 feet high, and it was October of 73 when the Yom Kippur War was raging.
	In the Middle East.
	And I went up there because I wanted to see sunset and to meditate at sunset up on top of the mountain.
	And as I got up there, I saw the same beautiful silver disk spacecraft that I had seen when I was eight or nine years of age.
	And I sort of acknowledged it.
	And it winked out.
	It didn't fly off like you see in the movies.
	It just vanished.
	And I sat down and meditated.
	And at the end of the meditation, which was quite long, it had gotten dark.
	I stood up, and really a voice that wasn't my own, a thought that came to me that was just beautiful.
	As I looked up at the stars and the Milky Way galaxy, you could see it was a very, very clear night and rather cold.
	A thought came, behold what a beautiful universe God has made.
	And with that, I went right back into the sort of state of consciousness, the sort of oneness, unity consciousness, or God consciousness that I had when I was very sick and had this near-death experience, and I became aware of the fact that there was a sort of a glow off the top of this crest of this mountain, and that there was someone up there with me.
	And I saw this, I guess around four feet, short being, did not look like a quote gray, had actually eyes that looked like a deer, sort of almond-shaped and rather attractive, and came and stood next to me.
	And touched me on my right shoulder, and with that, all the hair on my head stood on end.
	I had more hair then, too.
	And it was an extraordinary experience, and I then found myself on this craft and out in space, and people said, well, what did you talk about?
	I said, well, there's nothing linear to talk about.
	We actually sat together in this sort of meditative state, and they became very curious about humans experiencing This universal content of their own mind is sort of self beyond just the ego and our individuality that we all have within us.
	And I'm convinced that we all have the entirety of the universe folded within us within the structure of conscious mind itself.
	And this is what we experienced, and it was then that the CE5 protocols were created, and they were sort of co-created experimentally, where we not only use lasers and lights and what people think about, and tones that we have that won't radio signals we send out, but that where we use consciousness to go into this universal component of awareness, and someone called remote view, or bi-locate and see these vehicles, and then show them where we are.
	And I found myself back on this, near the top of the mountain, but down the road, maybe 100 yards, it was sort of a fire tower road.
	The locals called it fire tower, actually.
	But the fire tower road was locked at the bottom and there was a big fire tower at the top.
	And when I found myself back along this road, I was suddenly there.
	But I had this unusual sort of anti-gravity field around me where I could Take a step, and I would go 20, 30 feet.
	It was almost as if, like a moonwalker.
	It was very unusual.
	And this stayed with me until I got almost all the way down to this little town and back down.
	And I thought it was maybe 9 o'clock at night, and the town was deserted.
	And I thought, my God, the Yom Kippur War must have gotten out of hand.
	We had a nuclear war or something.
	I didn't know what had happened.
	And it turned out it was 12 or 1 o'clock in the morning.
	And I had been out there for several hours.
	It was then that I learned that these visitors are not only highly evolved in terms of consciousness and their technologies, but very interested in humans understanding that component of ourselves, and that they're more interested in that than any other aspect of the human situation.
	Okay.
	Doctor, hold one sec.
	We've just had an emergency room physician describe an NDE.
	Now that's, first of all, very, very unusual on the face of it, and I think I have not taken my break yet.
	So, let me go ahead and take my break.
	When we get back, I want to ask you specifically about the subject of NDEs.
	Well, as I just said, let's talk and stop on the subject of NDEs for a moment.
	I've interviewed a lot of physicians over the years.
	I've interviewed a lot of scientists, frankly.
	Most of them, when pressed to the wall, don't believe in God.
	Most of them, when pressed to the wall, physicians on the subject of NDEs sort of smirk a little bit.
	There have been an endless parade of psychiatrists and others on television who explain NDEs away as neurons dying sort of from the outside of the brain, inward explaining the light that most NDE experiencers see.
	That sort of thing.
	Not very many physicians believe at all in NDEs.
	Doctor, you must have had experience with patients who claim to have had NDEs and you must have looked into NDEs pretty carefully over the years.
	Well, yes, but of course, I mean, you know, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
	You know, as I said, my parents were very devout atheists.
	They didn't believe in God at all and didn't believe in anything you put in a test tube.
	But the truth is that when I had this experience, I didn't have any bias towards believing in such a thing.
	But during the experience and in the aftermath, I truly came to understand that there is a great being, a universal being, and it's very beautiful.
	As a physician, you know, I have resuscitated, snatched back from the jaws of death as it were, hundreds and maybe thousands of people and certainly some have recounted to me actually being out of their bodies, up above in the room where they were flat-lying and being able to describe the defibrillator going off and me intubating them and things of this sort.
	I think actually there's a great deal of evidence and I doubt, as you say, that most physicians don't believe that this is possible.
	I think most of the people I know in fact do and have had patients who have recounted this.
	It's not politically correct to talk about it because, you know, we have to pretend to be scientific, which means you can't accept anything spiritual.
	I think that's a complete false duality.
	I think one can be scientific And rigorous, and also have an understanding of the greater aspect of our spirit and of the fact that there is a divine being.
	And I don't believe that most physicians think that there is.
	Now, I draw a line between that and, say, religiosity, per se, because most of that is what I think people have been conflated and foisted on spiritual truths.
	But I think that most physicians understand that there is a God and I think many physicians have had patients recount this to them in ways that are rather convincing that it wasn't just a firing of neurons and some kind of oxygen deprivation sequence.
	Well, certainly that process is going on, you know, in a patient who's dying.
	I mean, there is oxygen deprivation.
	There is, I guess, brain cells do begin to die.
	So, I mean, that stuff is going on and might account for something.
	They've been able to, I think, duplicate NDEs with certain types of experiments that they've done with brains, with people.
	And they've actually duplicated the NDE experience to some degree or another.
	Well, to some degree, but not entirely.
	And the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
	I mean, I remember as a young child witnessing my twin sister drown in the YMCA swimming pool.
	And she drowned, and so far that she actually lost control of her bowels and was completely pulseless, was retrieved out of the pool.
	Had CPR performed.
	Of course, this was terrifying for me because it was my twin sister.
	But years later, when she had the courage to tell me, she described exactly the sequence of everything that happened.
	She would have had no knowledge of.
	And that she observed this from being at the top of this indoor pool and she was in this state of beautiful peace and total calm, but witnessing the whole sequence of how she was retrieved and resuscitated and what have you and all the details.
	And I think that While some of the experiences that people have recounted could be attributed to a physiological reaction, some of the detail of the people who have gone so far that they are really out of their bodies and are observing things taking place, and with detail that they would have no way of having heard or known about, I think that betrays it being just purely a physiological effect, and I believe that there is
	Within the physical body, I think there is the sort of spirit body that, and I think many people who have had experiences where they've had flying dreams or lucid dreams at night where they have seen remote events take place or even things in the future.
	It's because the nature of the conscious mind within us is not bound by either space or time.
	And by the way, I'm convinced that any civilization capable of getting here has had to figure this out, because if you go faster than the speed of light, you have just shifted your entire spacecraft and everyone on it into a form of energy that the mystics used to call the etheric sort of field.
	And I'm convinced that these beings do travel, some would say inter-dimensionally, I think it's a misnomer.
	I think it's a continuum between the pure and unbounded aspect of consciousness and The forms of sort of someone's called astral or etheric energy and physical energy.
	And I think it's all wrapped within each other.
	I think it's a massive quantum hologram.
	And in that sense, I do think that the old adage that, you know, I think it's from the Sufi tradition that says that, think of thyself a puny form when within the universe is folded.
	I think literally the entirety of the cosmos is folded within the structure of consciousness of everybody.
	Folded.
	The recent talk, of course, is about multiple dimensions.
	And isn't it as easily possible, Doctor, that what we're observing, these craft were observed, so many millions now have observed.
	In fact, when we open the lines later, it's almost, it's kind of like as a talk show host, you have to say, please don't come to us with sightings, because there have been so many millions of them.
	And everybody will ask, will say, okay, well, what did I see?
	We don't know what you saw, just welcome to the club is about all you can say.
	So, I don't know doctor, to hear a physician describe an NDE the way you just did is amazing enough to me.
	Isn't it possible that these are other dimensions, that in fact they are not traveling all these impossible light years, but they're just simply hopping from one dimension to another?
	It's got to be thought of as possible.
	Well, again, this is exactly what I think happens.
	I think that any time that you, through your technologies, go through a resonance leap through the speed of light, you have crossed what I call – I go through this in my new book, Hidden Truths, Forbidden Knowledge.
	In fact, the core of the book is an exposition of this whole understanding.
	into a field of energy that is beyond the crossing point of light and when you do that you're in something with some call it other dimensions I call it actually the continuum because of studies that Dr. John at Princeton and others have done have shown that even the material cosmos even material objects have a conscious or consciousness component To them.
	And so I think that what we're talking about is a integrative type of technology.
	And while they are certainly traversing dimensions, they are also extraterrestrial.
	And so this is, of course, a debate I once had with Jacques Fillet when I was meeting with the Board of Noetic Sciences right here near San Francisco, where I'm calling from tonight.
	And this discussion came up and I said, look, it isn't an either or question.
	Are they extraterrestrial or are they interdimensional?
	Uh, they're both.
	And in fact, in order to be extraterrestrial and interstellar, Your technologies have to enable you to cross these dimensions where you drop out of linear space-time and go through these other fields of energy to bypass the strictures of linear space-time.
	And I believe that's precisely what we're seeing, because on the one hand, we have radar tapes of these objects, we have landing traces of 4,000 cases.
	When they're fully materialized, they have been known to bend railroad tracks, so they're very material.
	We have retrieved bodies and done autopsies on them.
	And yet at the same time, there's this other aspect of the phenomenon where people have had an interface with their thought.
	Where people have had sightings, as I did as a young man, where you think to it and the thing moves in the direction you ask it to think to.
	Where you're now getting into the strange, high strangeness that Dr. J. Allen Hynek talked about, where you're dealing with this interface between technology and thought and consciousness.
	And that's really, I think, the core of the mystery.
	Okay.
	You believe that we have a government within a government, or is it a government without or beyond the government?
	It's beyond the government as you and I would think about it, although its tentacles reach within a number of agencies and it has representation within certain members of Congress, some of whom I've met with and who know about these issues.
	You know, I think that One of the things I've tried to expose in the new book is the degree to which there has been a transnational group that's evolved since the 50s, since Eisenhower, frankly, lost control of this whole thing.
	And while, yes, it has tentacles and operations within highly compartmented projects, the center of power and the operation of it is really transnational.
	And it's not within the chain of command of the government, as you and I think of it.
	Because we know that people like Bill Clinton, who tried to find out about this, were completely denied access and lied to.
	The CIA director I met with for nearly three hours was very shaken by the fact that he knew this stuff was real, but was being denied access.
	And even senior Pentagon officials.
	One of the things I go through in this new book Which people can get at DisclosureProject.org is this really disturbing meeting I had with the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	And I had an Apollo astronaut there with me and a few of the witnesses we have.
	And I had given him the project code names and numbers that were current as of the 90s dealing with this project.
	He actually located one of those compartmented operations within the Pentagon.
	But when he got hold of them, they said, sir, this is an admiral, head of intelligence joint staff.
	And they said, sir, you don't have a need to know.
	We are not going to quote, read you into that program.
	And in other words, they're going to brief you on it.
	And he was completely pushed aside.
	So by the time I got to this meeting.
	I'd given him these documents before the meeting.
	He was furious, not with me, but with the situation.
	But he was also frightened because there's a group out there that has completely subverted the Constitution of the United States.
	Alright, Doctor.
	On that note, we'll be right back.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You know, if you think back to the days of the step of Neil Armstrong and those days when our astronauts went to the moon, the let's go to space, let's go to the moon, it's all been pretty much in the United States' ballpark.
	It's all been our ballpark.
	Pretty much we've been the game.
	Yeah, the Russians made some attempts and did some things.
	Who knows, maybe they know some things they've not talked about.
	But basically, it's been a U.S.
	game since those days.
	Now, strangely, since the days when we went to the moon, well, gee, we haven't gone back.
	We almost consciously have avoided going back.
	There have been some satellites that have orbited the moon and taken some very detailed photographs.
	Some suspicious things there as well.
	Strange missions to Mars that haven't worked out too well in at least half the cases.
	In other words, we haven't been back and most of this has been in our ballpark.
	As I mentioned a little while ago, I'm going to get on a plane tomorrow and I'm going to go to China.
	Things are beginning to change in the world and I wonder what Dr. Greer thinks is going to happen when other countries begin to do what we have done.
	That question for Dr. Greer in a moment.
	All right, Doctor.
	Since the days of Armstrong, it's pretty much been our ballgame.
	Yeah, the Russians have been there.
	Perhaps that could be controlled.
	Now we've got other countries ready to go to the moon, ready to do what we have done, and perhaps more.
	So if there's a big secret being kept, isn't it about to come apart?
	Well, I think this is the big question, and I think that the short answer to it is no.
	And the reason I say that is The sources I have, for example, the top-secret Air Force officer who was at the Langley facility in the mid-60s when we were downloading the lunar orbiter photographs that had clearly artificial structures already on the moon of extraterrestrial origin, he told me that that operation was staffed like a United Nations or people from various countries.
	I believe that this group that has been managing this has been Transnational has involved other countries for many decades, so I don't know that it necessarily matters that China starts putting something up there or any other country does, unless there is a clear break within that group for disclosure to happen.
	Now, there are some really positive developments along those lines.
	We have been contacted recently by some leaders in Europe Very much tied into these projects and associated with NATO that are favorable to disclosure.
	I certainly have had conversations with a senior diplomat in China who has also been very supportive.
	So it's possible that will happen.
	In fact, that's exactly what we are hoping will happen is that that will turn and that there will be a positive and truthful disclosure that does not have within it all this sort of fear mongering that I think Some would like to see associated with the disclosure.
	In other words, you can disclose this thing as something that is, hey, you know, we're not alone in the universe.
	Here's the evidence.
	Here's what we have found over the years and etc.
	Or you can say, oh, they're coming to eat us for lunch and we need a few million dollars from the world economy to put the weapon systems in place and have sort of our little Armageddon fest up in space or another such eschatological stupidity.
	So I think that this is what we want to avoid.
	The big question is, as this happens, we're going to have to continue to monitor whether it's a disclosure of the facts or the facts being spun by the controllers, as it were.
	Okay, what about the private efforts?
	The Robert Bigelows of the world.
	He just had a successful launch.
	He's probably going to end up with some sort of hotel in space eventually, and he's not the only one.
	There are private efforts as well.
	I mean, eventually, this has got to come unraveled.
	Possibly, possibly not.
	I mean, it depends on whether those people and the enormous funding sources and alliances they've developed to be able to do this are, you know, part of the problem or part of the solution.
	This remains to be seen.
	It remains to be seen whether Mr. Bigelow and his billions with this effort would acquire data and release it to the public or be part of an effort to secrete things into their own little private secret operation.
	And I think this is something that the jury is still out on.
	But China, of all the possibilities, China would seem to me to be the one that would be most likely to tell the truth.
	If there is some great truth to be told, if there are these giant structures, for example, on the moon, my God!
	Seems to me China would disclose that, and happily so, and then show the U.S.
	to be some kind of gigantic liar.
	Wouldn't it be a great advantage to them?
	This is assuming that they haven't, on some level, been cooperating with the secrecy for decades.
	And my own information is that Most of the world's powers, at some level, have.
	So the question is whether or not they will break with that tradition or not.
	It's possible they will.
	I mean, certainly the Chinese have a very large government-affiliated UFO research group there that have hundreds of thousands of members, have for many years, actually.
	Is that still going on now?
	And so I think that, you know, there is a certain openness to this, but whether or not they feel secure enough to break with the, shall we say, the power players out there.
	And, you know, and you have to understand there are two or three hundred people and families in the world that control the overwhelming wealth.
	And of the world.
	I mean, not just the United States, but worldwide.
	And I think this is the issue.
	I mean, the tail has been wagging the dog since Eisenhower gave his speech.
	Beware the military industrial complex.
	And I would add now the corporate financial complex.
	And I'm not so sure that these other countries haven't known about this for some time and have been reticent to talk about it.
	For example, Years ago, when we were putting together this effort and working with people at the United Nations, including the Butros-Ghali family, who were, you know, Secretary General of the United Nations, and I spent quite a bit of time with Mrs. Butros-Ghali discussing this problem, I was approached by senior Japanese officials and the cabinet level, and they asked about this issue, and I invited them to join with us to lead a disclosure attempt on this and put the facts together.
	And be one of the governments calling for this openly.
	And this government minister virtually blanched when I suggested it.
	And they said, oh, no, we can't rebuck the tide on this yet.
	No, we don't.
	They were terrified of doing that.
	So I'm not so sure that the sort of national boundaries that you fight have all that much relevance when it comes to this issue.
	In fact, I'm afraid to say I don't believe they do.
	Well then you're not really talking about a secret U.S.
	government, in or out.
	You're talking about a secret world government.
	Correct.
	It's a, well, at least on this particular issue, it's a, certainly as I have said over and over again, it is a transnational entity that is more related to technological power, financial power, and controlling this issue.
	There are also certain religious issues involved.
	I had a senior scientist with the Jet Propulsion Laboratories in California tell me a couple years ago about the things that are on Mars.
	In fact, there are artificial structures on Mars, but the scientist told me very directly that if that were disclosed, that the associated information that would come out with it would undermine a lot of the orthodoxy, quote-unquote, of certain religious sects.
	And that has been one of the stumbling blocks to that being known.
	Brookings?
	Yeah, well, there are many.
	Rand, Brookings, many of these institutes have had historical involvement with this.
	And in fact, some years ago, after I met with the CIA director, I relate this story in the new book, and some people find it rather hilarious.
	I was, before the meeting with the CIA director, which was very much undercover, Uh, one of these, uh, secret, uh, kind of spooky guys surfaced and said, Oh, we know all about your meeting with Woolsey even before it happened.
	Well, afterwards I was invited to the Wrigley Mansion in, uh, Phoenix, uh, the Wrigley and Chewing Gum family's done.
	And, and there was a whole cell of these intelligence officers there that asked me to meet with them late one night.
	And, uh, they pulled me aside and basically said, look, the president doesn't know anything about this matter.
	And neither does his CIA director.
	If you want to deal with people who understand this, well, you should be dealing with certain corporations that do a lot of contracting under – for other contracts for the government.
	You should be dealing with a certain high technology and financial interest.
	And you should be dealing with certain orders of Jesuit priests.
	And of course this might – I went, what?
	You've got to be kidding.
	And I thought at the time that these people were completely making this up.
	It sounded too far-fetched.
	And over the following few years, I found out that every word that they told me was true.
	I also might point out that they tried to buy me off during that meeting, and I refused.
	And, you know, this is the kind of chicanery that goes on where they're trying to contain something that is sort of a... Then they tried to buy you off how?
	Oh, well, the first time was one of the former heads of Army Intelligence offered me a board seat and an enormous amount of access to money and technology if I would fold the CSETI and disclosure operation into his little cabal of activities, and I refused.
	He went to my wife and actually, with a lot of flattery and nonsense, tried to convince her to have me do it, and she thought he was rather charming.
	I thought he wasn't.
	I told her, no, we're not going to do that.
	And then at the subsequent meeting, a couple years later, they concocted this crazy idea.
	They said, hey, you know, doctor, you've got great credit rating.
	We've checked you out.
	You can take out all the platinum cards you want, charge up all the things you need to on that.
	And since we run all the supercomputers that back up the world banking system, we'll just erase all those balances to zero each month.
	And I looked at the guy and winked at him.
	I said, yeah, you're going to own my butt then, aren't you?
	And I said, no thanks.
	I said, how stupid do you think I am?
	But those sort of things happen a lot, Art.
	And I have to tell you, the reason I wrote this book is to give people an inside glimpse into what it's been like.
	It's a bit of a nightmare at times, and wonderful in turns, dealing with this issue since I founded CSETI and the Disclosure Project in 1990.
	The feeling is there that the reason that these structures on Mars, and for that matter the ones on the Moon, cannot be known is that these entities are our progenitors.
	I think that it's not that they're directly progenitors, because certainly anyone who knows Biology and genetics, and certainly I do.
	My second daughter is doing her PhD in genetics and neuroscience here at the UCSF in San Francisco, and we talk about this.
	Even simpler life forms, so we share enormous amounts of our genetic code.
	If you get up to a chimpanzee, it's like 99% it's the same.
	But the question is, have there been, the word I use is, have there been augmentations of the evolutionary course of Homo sapiens by extraterrestrial species.
	And is the Earth and humanity something that's been under some guardianship and observation for not just the last 50 years, but perhaps thousands of years?
	I think that that's, while it's perhaps speculative and theoretical, I think it's possible.
	You think it's possible?
	So not our progenitors directly, but perhaps there's been some sort of intercession.
	There's been some sort of tampering with our genetic structure.
	Well, improvement of it and the augmentation, I call it, of the capabilities and the evolution of higher intelligent function.
	And this is certainly possible.
	There are some missing links that are rather strange.
	Certainly there are similarities of The structures that have been reported on, for example, Mars and even the Moon, are similar to things that are very ancient.
	Pyramid and other shaped structures that are around the Earth, not just in Egypt, that seem to have appeared at around the same time.
	And so there is something there to look at.
	And the comment from this Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist that The disclosure of these structures that they've discovered on Mars being something that would be difficult for people with certain orthodox belief systems would point to that.
	So that's one of the big questions.
	However, I brought this up in discussions I had at the Vatican not too many years ago.
	In discussing with Monsignor Bauducci and also the head of the Vatican Observatory, a lot of people don't realize there is such a thing.
	Mal Graham.
	Yeah, well, but the head of it who runs the project in the Vatican, he and I had a long discussion as well as Monsignor Bauducci.
	I found out from them that they not only accept that we have been visited by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations and that the evidence is overwhelming for that, but interestingly, the view by these Vatican officials was that they are children of God, even as we are, and that that's how we should view them.
	It was a very interesting perspective, and they were very supportive of disclosure.
	Now this is not to say that perhaps everyone at the Vatican would be, but certainly the people we met with are increasingly positive about that, and I think would support the truth coming out on this matter.
	Why do you think the Vatican would feel the need to push to get this observatory on Mount Graham?
	And they really did.
	They pushed right through every single obstacle you can imagine and got a big observatory up there.
	So the questions are, what do you think they're looking for and why did they push so hard to get it there?
	Well, I think they wanted it in an area where it's very hard in Europe to find places that are that dark.
	I've been there, by the way.
	We did a sea study expedition.
	We do these periodically.
	Here on the West Coast, because we've just been up on Mount Shasta here for the last week doing reconnaissance and contact work, and I think that they wanted to have a very good facility where they could have their own imaging and control their own stream of information on this and related matters.
	By the way, I will also say that they were extremely opposed to any weaponization of space when I spoke with them.
	Oh, I can imagine that.
	They're opposed to it here, or in space, anyway.
	But, I mean, the fact that they, they're obviously looking for something, Doctor.
	They imagine that they're going to see something, or something is headed our way?
	Perhaps I've been too oblique.
	The senior observatory, the astronomer who was over the Vatican Observatory, flat out told us that they had imaged these ET vehicles and UFOs.
	Oh yeah, it's a very interesting interview, unfortunately it's in Italian, but I have it on digital videotape.
	And these images, where are they now?
	Good question, and I'm quite sure they're at the Vatican, and this becomes the larger question is, when are these various groups, whether they be religious or para-governmental, Or scientific, or what have you, are going to see that it's time to release this information to the public and unshackle people like Poor Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, who I think have been very deeply conflicted about what they know and what they saw, and having been muzzled by these, quite frankly, ruthless characters that have been enforcing the secrecy.
	But there is a lot of intimidation.
	I mean, I think that one of the reasons that some of the people kind of are horrified when they find out what I'm doing I know I had an executive with Science Applications International Corporation and a former congressman who had been a real close friend of George Bush's father, the first President Bush, meet with me and they said, well, you know, we really don't know why you're not dead yet, but they said that they're horrified at what's going on and how the secrecy around this subject, the technologies and associated out-of-control rogue projects are destroying our democracy.
	And damaging the world.
	And so what I have found is that there are a lot of people inside those systems who want this to come out, but that they have not gotten the critical mass of, shall we say, collective courage to break ranks with the status quo.
	We're hoping that'll happen.
	It's certainly one of the intended results of the Disclosure Project.
	Doctor, that's a really good question.
	Why are you not dead yet?
	I mean, you are far more public and outspoken with what you've said tonight, in past interviews, over the years with me on the air.
	You've been far, just way more outspoken than a lot of people who have been floating down the river, as it were, literally and figuratively.
	Well, I think there are a number of things.
	First of all, when I first stepped into this issue, I looked into it very carefully.
	From a very deep intelligence background point of view, and I had some people who guided me through this landmine field, I should say, and they advised a couple of things.
	One, don't do things secretively, do it very openly.
	Number two, have millions of people knowing what you're doing and watching what you're doing, which we have done.
	Thirdly, get the people who are the friendliest On the inside of this covert group, On Your Side, which we have done, when I first met with CIA Director Woolsey in 1993, December of 93, I was told by two independent sources that there were about a third of this, some would call it MJ-12 group or transnational control group that supported having this come out.
	I am told now that that number is really approaching half.
	And so that is a very important thing, because as one of these energy researchers that I'm working with has said, there are certain of those folks who are powerful enough, they're like lions, as you were, or chieftains over their own areas, that they have extended protection to us.
	So that would be a rather dangerous thing for anything violent to happen.
	Well, that group doesn't sound like a democracy.
	Hold on, Doctor.
	We're here at the top of the hour.
	When we get back, we're going to take open line calls, and I'm going to lay down a couple of rules for that when we return.
	All right.
	It's been an extraordinary session, to be sure, with Dr. Stephen Greer, and we are going to go to the phones here in a moment.
	I would like to just lay down this simple request.
	We all know millions of you have had sightings.
	So instead of taking up air time with the description of individual sightings, I would like to ask that the audience restrict their questions for Dr. Greer.
	To, for example, anything you've heard tonight.
	It doesn't matter.
	We've covered so much ground from Neil Armstrong, that bombshell, that one's going to be bouncing around for a while to be sure, the fact that he saw craft all around him when he stepped out of the lander, to any of the rest of it we've discovered, whether it's the secret government or whether it's The effect on religious institutions, or I don't know, we've just covered all kinds of ground in the last couple of hours.
	Any of that's valid territory, but if we could stay away from individual descriptions of sightings, simply because there have been so many millions of them now, that itself I think says something, then we'll be in good shape.
	So coming up, your opportunity with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Once again, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Dr. Greer, welcome back.
	Are you ready for the public?
	Oh, sure.
	Okay, let's see what happens.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hi.
	Yes.
	You hear me?
	You bet I can.
	Sure.
	Fantastic.
	Art Bell, Stephen Greer.
	This is Wink calling from Los Angeles.
	I had been on a Seaside trip with Dr. Greer a year ago in July in Creston, Colorado.
	It was amazing.
	The question I have is, Dr. Greer, you have a lot of, you mentioned in your book and on your website, that you still have a lot of footage of more than whatever has been released on the DVD that's already out, and just wondering what's going to happen with that, because I know there's so much of it, and at the same time to be getting bogged down into whatever kind of form that it would be, you know, available to view it in at the same time, It's better to just get it out and let the people see it.
	I don't know what your thoughts are on that.
	Well, it's just a matter of doing it, you know.
	I mean, we don't have an office or a staff.
	Contrary to what people might think, there's no money in doing this.
	And one of the problems has been we just have not had enough resources to do those things.
	It's completely dependent, as a nonprofit, on the donations of people.
	And we do what we can with the limited amounts that we get.
	But the fact is, we have over 110 hours of digital videotape of various top secret witnesses.
	And that's just of the first hundred or so of them we videotaped.
	There's now over 400 additional ones that we haven't...
	We had the resources and time and staff to travel to and videotape and edit and get it out there.
	It's an enormous undertaking to do this, and a lot of people don't realize that when we did the Disclosure Project book and the video you refer to and created the website, DisclosureProject.org, where people can see the two-hour National Press Club event and other things on there, we really had a very, very tiny budget, had no full-time staff, and had just really a group of volunteers to do it.
	Basically, the rate limiting thing is just the time and staff and resources to get it out there.
	And of course, you have a book now, Hidden Truths, Forbidden Knowledge.
	I take it it's available on Amazon and all the usual?
	Yes, it's at DisclosureProject.org.
	People can order it.
	And also, there's a meditation CD that goes with it where I sort of describe the consciousness aspects of contact with these extraterrestrial people.
	Okay, Dr. East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Oh yeah, hi, this is Jack calling from Pennsylvania.
	Yes.
	Great.
	This is my question for Stephen Greer is about contact with, direct contact with ETs.
	I find it very interesting as far as not just the, you know, the sightings per se, but direct contact.
	And my question is about the black op government.
	And do you think that ETs are in direct contact with our so-called black op government?
	And what do you think they may be discussing with them?
	The answer to that is no.
	I know that it's a popular belief within the UFO subculture that there's at least one of these ET groups working with some covert part of the government, but I honestly don't believe that's true.
	For example, what I have found when I started looking into that is that these things that are called ARVs, or Alien Reproduction Vehicles, that are made by a consortium of companies, Lockheed, Northrop, SAIC, a few others, MITRE Corporation, they have been used to Simulate encounters and that there are these things that people think are great quote-unquote that are actually not extraterrestrial all they're completely man-made so there's a lot of the the database out there that I think is counterintelligence information and it has led to this sort of belief and I in talking to the folks within these corporate programs within government programs who have been highly connected to them I have not seen any evidence to support the belief that there is an extraterrestrial group out there
	Now, I do think that in the 50s, and perhaps in the 40s, that there were attempts by various ETs to make open contact, and what happened is that they soon found that the whole thing went out of control, and to whatever extent, say, Eisenhower knew about this and may or may not have had a meeting, I personally think he probably did, that those projects were taken over by interests that were, to say the least, not conducive to open dialogue and cooperation, and I think that sort of level of communication and contact with it died in that era.
	I seriously doubt anything is going on currently at that level.
	You just said you thought the Greys were man-made.
	Can you enlarge on that at all?
	Yes, I have several witnesses who have worked in projects where they have been in biological laboratories that are classified Where they have created these things that look like aliens, but they're not they're completely man-made and they have been used to simulate abductions and create a certain amount of disinformation centered around fear and hatred.
	And I think this is something that quite predictable.
	It's not as difficult to think as you may believe my own assessment of this is that If you want to visualize the developments that have happened in technology in terms of energy generation and propulsion and electronics, there's been a concomitant, a classified level of development in genetics and what have you that deal with biological sciences that are not disclosed to the public.
	And I think this has been used to create what in the trade have been called PLFs, or Programmed Life Forms, that are entirely man-made and are used for counterintelligence and disinformation purposes.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line.
	Your turn with Dr. Greer.
	Hi.
	Hi Art.
	Dr. Greer.
	My name is Jerry.
	I'm calling from San Diego.
	Hello.
	I had a chance to speak with Gordon Cooper before he died a few, several years back regarding a motor that I was developing to run on Freon in a recirculating capacity.
	And at the end of the meeting, I asked him, do you, do you believe in UFOs?
	Yes or no question.
	If it's no, then we'll just move on.
	I'm happy to have met you.
	You were one of my heroes.
	And he said, the answer is yes.
	He went on to tell me that same story.
	It was 1957.
	He was a young captain in the Air Force.
	Right.
	The kids came off the flight line where they had photographed this thing.
	It was small in nature, had three spokes or gears.
	It came down, no wheels.
	And they dropped the film off at the base photo lab and then roared back into, oh, Captain, you're not going to believe what we just did.
	We filmed the UFO.
	It was right on our flight line.
	Well, there's a protocol.
	And he got the phone number and called someplace.
	He called the Pentagon, right?
	Yes.
	And they gave him instructions on development.
	Well, he advised them that it was in the Photoshop and it was being developed.
	They ordered him to Not print any.
	To go capture the negatives, put them in a courier pouch, and the guy would show up, somebody would take it from him.
	Well, they shot right over to the photo lab and looked at the negatives.
	Right.
	He told me that also, yes.
	Yes.
	So I want your listening audience and everybody to know that this was a true thing that he... I think he even may have mentioned it in his book.
	He did, and we also have a very good interview with him.
	Where he describes what he saw on the film and how it came about, and the fact that it went into this sort of black hole, and he sent it off back to the Pentagon, and he never was able to find out any information about what happened to it after that.
	Listen, I can verify all that, everybody.
	I interviewed the man, and he said that right on coast to coast.
	Right.
	And I think the part of this that most people don't realize is that years later, He had the opportunity to meet with Secretary of Defense Cohen, who was, of course, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense for a number of years.
	And Cohen was interested in this and made inquiries based on the very specific data that Gordon Cooper gave him.
	And basically, he got nowhere with it.
	He was not able to find it.
	He was told that it didn't exist.
	It's sort of like these missing NASA tapes.
	And this is why I tell people that That, you know, there's this big misunderstanding.
	The government of the United States is hiding this.
	Well, you know, yeah, there are some some ultra secret and rather rogue, I might add, illegal operations dealing with this.
	But when you deal with your average congressman or senior, even government official at the Pentagon, the vast majority of them are completely out of the loop and in violation of the Constitution and the requirements of the chain of command.
	And this is a really disturbing thing because what it indicates, and this is something that I talked with Gordon Cooper about when we met in Washington at this meeting, was that it really is a betrayal of the rule of law that our civilization is based on.
	I think it's extremely dangerous.
	Okay.
	Wildcard line number four in this case from Ohio.
	I think you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Yes, I am.
	Hello.
	Art, you started screening your calls now since you've been in the Philippines.
	Yes, that's absolutely true.
	Actually, I'm not screening them.
	They're screening them in California for me because it's the only way it can be done.
	Exactly.
	I was raised in Wapakoneta, Ohio with Neil Armstrong.
	Mr. Greer, I had the privilege of delivering papers when I was 12 years old back in 1983 to Neil Armstrong's parents.
	Now, I'll tell you what, they always left the money for the paper in their mailbox and never once did I meet Neil Armstrong's parents while delivering my papers during the paper route.
	All that being said, I just had to call in tonight because you talked about Neil Armstrong so much, and about him being tight-lipped, and you know what?
	I do believe it.
	Only because Neil Armstrong's parents, even though they were never seen in church, were always regarded as very religious people.
	Right.
	Neil Armstrong himself, I have gotten to see.
	Because every Fourth of July, During our three blocks, I mean, we had three blocks of downtown, we had 12,000 people within our city.
	And 9,000 of those people came to see Neil Armstrong every Fourth of July, come down our Main Street.
	Every three blocks of our Main Street.
	Well, along with Johnny Bench.
	Brian, did you ever hear him say anything about any of this?
	No.
	But, what I saw him do, A couple times.
	What 9,000 people in Wapakoneta saw him do a couple times was make a triangle with his fingers and then raise both hands in the air.
	And that question...
	I just said yeah, or yes.
	Actually, Neil Armstrong has made a few, I think you would call them very cryptic comments over the years.
	That's correct.
	He has.
	And if you look at a book that came out years ago called Above Top Secret by Timothy Goode, who I write with, there's an account in there that Timothy Goode relates from a man that he had met that heard Neil Armstrong also say years ago that When they landed on the moon that there were ET craft there.
	And he went further to say that essentially we were, quote, warned off the moon.
	And the reason for that is because it was part of really a space program that was militarized in competition with the Soviet Union.
	And what I have learned from talking to a number of people in the space program, And in the Air Force and other classified projects that have known about this, is that apparently these extraterrestrial civilizations, and I think there are a number of them, do not want humans to be going into space, even as far as the moon, in a competitive way that is nationalistic or militaristic.
	That about the only way that we're going to be allowed to go out into space is as a peaceful and civilized world.
	And of course, we're not there yet, obviously.
	By the way, that's also why I believe the Apollo project was killed.
	It wasn't for funding reasons.
	My uncle, who had a mock-up of the lunar module in his house and had sort of a moonscape in his basement as a little kid, I would go there and see this.
	It was fascinating.
	Talk to me about the fact that there was plans to have colonies on the moon and all this stuff.
	Well, that was all stopped.
	And I think it was stopped because someone out there doesn't really want us to be going and carving up parts of the moon or Mars into Russian vs. US vs. Chinese vs. whatever sectors.
	And I think this speaks to a larger issue, and that is What are the requirements for entering this sort of interplanetary group of civilized people?
	And I think that the first step of it is that the Earth has to enter into a certain level of peace and cooperation in order to do that.
	And I think we all know we're not quite there yet.
	Doctor, you've made a very controversial statement about Neil Armstrong.
	Now, do you think what you've said about him tonight will provoke him into some kind of response?
	I don't know.
	You know, that's not my intent.
	My intent is simply to share the truth as I find it.
	People who know me and know me well will tell you that I do not share something like this unless I've heard it from a number of sources.
	Just the comment I made about Buzz Aldrin, I have three separate sources that have confirmed to me that he has made comments about this before he came out with this interview that he's since retracted.
	But I think that when you add all that together, It's quite clear, in addition to that, more than one military officer who actually has seen the footage.
	Not that we were shown, but the real footage.
	And one of them said it was the crater around where the lunar module sat down was crowded with extraterrestrial vehicles.
	It wasn't just one there, there were a number of them.
	And this is exactly what, apparently, Neil Armstrong told this member of our project that I learned about quite recently.
	All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hi.
	Yes, good evening Art and Dr. Greer.
	Pleasure to speak with you.
	And I have a comment and two questions, if I can fit them both in.
	The comment is, in the Bible, in the New Testament, Jesus speaks of the fact that He has flocks or foals that are not of this world.
	He also says that his father has many mansions, and there have been general interpretations
	of that to mean that there are other civilizations, many rooms contained within, say, one planet,
	so to speak.
	At any rate, it seems that the argument, or the idea that you mentioned, Dr. Grant, I've
	heard you mention it before in previous programs, that a main, or the main impediment to actually
	disclosing what is going on in our skies and on the planet as far as the craft and the
	people or the creatures that are within them and their activities.
	It must, in my mind, it provoked my thought to think that actually this is probably what they're trying to cover up or don't want to divulge because it's actually a project of theirs, according to you, and there being biological entities that are created by the U.S.
	government or agencies thereof, and that they actually have the technology to fly and craft
	what seem to have an anti-gravity aspect as far as propulsion.
	If they want to keep that a secret as a government project, that's certainly par for the course,
	as we all know.
	I want to really thank you, Dr. Greer, for your courageous work on behalf of us all,
	because I know you do this for humanity as a whole, and it's very courageous of you to
	step out.
	I'm also wondering what this transnational government that you've spoken of may have
	I haven't read your book yet, but I'm going to order it here immediately.
	Well, it's a good question.
	In the old days, it was reported it was called MJ-12, but that was more U.S.
	based.
	Years later, during the early Clinton years, I had a source tell me it was PI-40.
	No one knew what those initials stood for.
	Today, I'm not sure what they are calling themselves, although in the Disclosure Book, which was the book that has about 600 pages of interviews with these top secret witnesses that you can get at DisclosureProject.org, we have some documents, one of which is from Nellis Air Force Base.
	It's a secret document, not declassified.
	It was given to me through some channels, and it actually has the project code names and code numbers As of the early 1990s, I recommend anyone interested who wants to dig into this, take a look at that.
	It's a very interesting document.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Doctor.
	We're at the bottom of yet another hour.
	Boy, this has been a wild one tonight, hasn't it?
	From Manila in the Philippines, Southeast Asia, and Dr. Stephen Greer on the other side, I'm Art Bell.
	We'll be right back.
	By the way, my compliments on your questions so far.
	That's exactly what I'm after.
	My guest is Dr. Stephen Greer, the Disclosure Project.
	He's an emergency physician who, in my opinion, has put his reputation on the line.
	Actually, it doesn't take sticking my neck very far out to say that.
	Certainly has his reputation on the line with the work he's doing.
	more of Dr. Greer and all of you in a moment.
	Once again, Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Welcome back, doctor.
	Thank you.
	We actually have been doing pretty well, I would say, thus far.
	So let's keep going and go, oh, I don't know, let's go to the wildcard line.
	Dr. Robert, I guess it is, in San Francisco.
	Good morning, Art and Dr. Greer.
	Another physician here who has very interesting listening to you because it seems like our Explosions in consciousness happen parallels in our lives in much the same way.
	What I basically would like to do is really encourage your work.
	I've had the privilege of reading some of your work and definitely it seems right on.
	My question tonight would be, have you found worked with anything that would go further than
	just uh... into the genetic activation of our dna in our transformation of our
	genetic code as we uh...
	as we go through i think art bell very well in his book called it the
	quickening is that uh...
	have you got any commentary about that well not nothing of specific
	beyond that except that it's quite clear
	if you go back uh... in many years in history
	uh... all the way back to uh...
	caveman era uh... there have been uh... carbon dated
	uh... caveman drawings found in france for example of things that uh... look like
	craft with E.T.s outside of it.
	And I think that it is not just a recent phenomenon.
	I think we are, however, in a quantum moment, if you can view it that way.
	Where the human race is going to have to go from its normal nation-state or tribalistic sort of mindset to a universal mindset, one where there is a realization of what the true nature of conscious life is, and that in fact it is not just a human phenomenon, but that it's a universal phenomenon, and that in fact there is an aspect of human awareness that is a universal consciousness.
	And I think that that realization is the thing that will propel us into understanding who these visitors are and also how we relate to them and the kind of approach we need to take when we're wanting to make contact with them.
	And this is what we're doing in the program that we have at Seasteady.org, where we train people to become conscious ambassadors to these beings and to go out and do research on this.
	We're going to be having one of those down in Palm Springs, California in November.
	But I think this is important because I think that, as Sheldrake and others have described, there's a sort of morphogenic field phenomenon that happens In human consciousness, when enough people begin to do it, and I think that even our biological condition is affected by what we are doing, thinking, and what we are collectively evolving into as conscious beings, and I think that there is a genetic corollary to that as well.
	So I think this entire phenomenon is activating and opening an entirely new aspect of the human development and evolution.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	When I was in South America, we found the same thing.
	They're very open down there, and they're actually ahead of where we are.
	Right, right.
	All right, Doctor.
	Thank you very much, and let's try Heather in California.
	Heather, you're on the air.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	I want to thank both of you, Art and Dr. Greer.
	I think you are true heroes and true benefactors of humanity.
	You do incredible work.
	Oh, thank you.
	My general question, I hope at some point you might give out the phone number for your Disclosure Project for those of us who don't have computers, but my main question is, you know, I educate myself about this and I'll talk to whoever will listen and I certainly direct my prayer and channel light, you know, to this process and related processes and projects, but what can we do besides that to help To move this process along?
	Well, I think there are many things people can do.
	One is that they can learn how to be ambassadors to these people, and this is one of the things I encourage people to do.
	The other is that they can help us identify not only these disclosure, project-oriented witnesses, because they're everywhere.
	There are a lot of people in corporations and military operations who've been exposed to this, who have never come forward, and everyone can help us identify those.
	The other thing people can do, and I think this is very important, is help us identify scientists who understand these technologies, who have been reticent to come forward, so that we can identify them and put them together in a team.
	We're, in fact, calling on people to come forward with adequate funding to do a Manhattan Project that's peaceful for alternative energy that deals with this sort of zero-point energy electro-gravitic energy and similar systems.
	We know that it's possible, and we have identified, by the way,
	many scientists who have prototypes that need further R&D, and I think we're going to have to find some people
	who are interested in funding that, and it's going to have to move out of the few thousand
	dollars in people's basements into something
	that will actually be a serious engineering effort.
	And so that's another thing people can help network us for.
	As far as your question about phone numbers, since we don't have an office or a staff, there is a number you can call to order the book or the videotape, and it's 800-E-T-C-S-E-T-I-E-T-C-SETI.
	But we don't really have an office that you can call to talk with anyone.
	I wish we did.
	But we just don't have that level of funding.
	Okay, that was 800-ETC-SETI.
	C-SETI, right.
	Okay.
	Go ahead and give out the numbers.
	A lot of people challenge that way.
	Do you have it in numbers?
	Not right here with me, I'm afraid.
	Okay, challenge the other way.
	That's right, that's right.
	No problem.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	Hi, yeah.
	I got a story.
	I don't know if Dr. Greer Has heard this story or not.
	It happened about 15, 20 years ago.
	Had a relative.
	My wife, which would be my brother-in-law, was a cop in Palm Springs.
	And like cops do, they get part-time jobs when they're not working their beat to make some extra money.
	And this one guy came up with an engine that can run off of like 100 miles off of something funny like water or 100 miles off a gas or whatever.
	And he was about to show it off to a bunch of investors.
	And what happened, the way he explained it to me, was that the shift that was supposed to relieve the other shift, because he hired a whole bunch of off-duty cops, was called and told that the time was changed by an hour.
	And this guy had like two motors in a garage, he had all his equipment in the garage, and my relative told me that there's no way that you could just go in that garage and take everything up.
	But what happened was the guy disappeared, Both engines were gone by the time the cops came to relieve the other cops.
	He said the whole garage was spick and span cleaned out and that it would have had to take like 30 people the size of Arnold to clean this garage out.
	Right.
	But that's what happened.
	Well, they probably did have 50 people the size of Arnold to do it.
	And this, by the way, this is an account I've heard hundreds and hundreds of times.
	It is not a conspiracy theory.
	It's what is done.
	And this is it's really criminal.
	It's criminal that These sort of people, you know, I unfortunately view them as sort of petro-Nazis that have a goose step around and suppress these wondrous breakthroughs that would unshackle our civilization and not only get us out of these entanglements in the Middle East, but also would lift the entirety of the human race out of poverty.
	You know, if everyone on Earth lived as we do in America with air conditioning and cars, We would run out of petroleum very quickly, never mind what would happen to the environment.
	And so I think that we're in a system that is in sort of this death strangle, and unless we can find enough people to come forward with courage, and I point out to people that this is why we have to do it publicly, we have to have a lot of people aware of it, And we need to have the support of the masses of people as we bring this sort of information and these technologies forward because really the front line of defense for any inventor or scientist or researcher such as myself doing this work are the people interested in it who would notice if something were to disappear.
	One of the tragedies of this account that you share is that I would be willing to bet that this scientist was developing this and had not gotten it into enough Redundant places of storage and safe-keeping, never mind having it disclosed properly to a large number of people.
	And I think that this is counterintuitive.
	Most inventors are very secretive.
	Most scientific breakthroughs are held very tightly.
	People think they're going to beat this group at their own game, or they may not know this group even exists.
	And this is one of the things that I think we have to make clear, is that we need a new strategy for getting these incredibly important technologies out to the public.
	Alright, Wild Card Line, your turn with Dr. Greer.
	Hello?
	Yes, go ahead.
	Yeah, I wanted to say great show, guys.
	It's been a blast.
	My question was regarding Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.
	I was curious if... I heard in the past that when he said one small step for man, that speech, He was really supposed to say something else.
	Actually, that's right.
	I've heard the very same thing.
	Is there anything to that, Dr. Greer?
	I have heard that.
	I don't know it for certain.
	What I have heard, in addition to what I've shared so far, is that because the lunar orbiter, which was mapping the Moon prior to the lunar module landing with Neil Armstrong on it, They anticipated that it was likely that they might encounter these extraterrestrial vehicles that were fully visible.
	And this is why the film footage, some of what was shot, I believe was shot in a studio or somewhere on Earth and then was put in to sequence when it became clear that they were not going to be alone as they emerged from the lunar module.
	So many people said, well, you know, there's some Hoaxing of that footage that was shown to the world.
	It doesn't add up.
	There's some technical problems with it.
	And that means we didn't go to the moon.
	I don't think that's true at all.
	I'm quite certain we went.
	I just think that the story of what happened when we went was concealed.
	Okay.
	International Line, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	My name is Stephen from Edmonton, Canada.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	First time caller.
	Long, long time listener.
	I love your show, Art.
	Oh, unbelievable.
	Um, okay.
	I've got a theory, I guess, in my little head.
	You guys, that ties into a lot of stuff that you're saying.
	Uh, you know about the Milan Calendar, uh, 2012?
	Um, and the timing of enlightenment, as some people say, could it be possible that at that time, for some reason, uh, this all explodes and everybody knows and that there is life out there and they can't deny it and nobody can hide it?
	So, the reason why it changed, or they stopped at that time, is because we have to do a new date, saying from this on, this time on, it's a new millennium, new site, we're moving ahead to a new time, as it were.
	Well, yeah, I think that we may be in that period, and have been for 100 or 150 years, and I explain this in my new book, Hidden Truths, Forbidden Knowledge, And sort of give a blueprint of what the next cycle of around half a million years will look like from the information that we've had given to us.
	And I think that as I see this, you know, the whole 2012 issue, whether that date in particular, but it comes up a lot and it comes up in some really strange quarters.
	For example, if you look at one of our books, we have a document in there that was a wire transcript of The CIA tapping Marilyn Monroe's phones because she was threatening to hold a press conference to disclose what Jack Kennedy had told her in apparently pillow talk about this issue, what he had seen.
	It was signed by James Jesus Angleton III, a big mole hunter and leak stopper in the CIA back in the early 60s.
	It was signed a day or so before they found Marilyn Monroe dead.
	And Burl Ives, the very famous actor and singer who had been on our executive committee for my group before his death, told me that Marilyn Monroe had been murdered.
	They all knew she had been murdered.
	No one knew why until I got this document from an NSA source, and it is a top-secret document.
	Now, what's interesting about that is that a relative of James Jesus Angleton called me the day after the Disclosure Project press club event in 2001 and discussed the fact that we were moving the envelope up from their planned announcement in 2012 with the world's religious leaders and NATO leaders in Europe on a disclosure in the year 2012.
	And that date was given to me.
	So it's quite interesting, but he said that, you know, That we had done a very good job, but that we were moving the date up a bit.
	And I said, well good, it should have been moved up into the 1950s, but that was another.
	We had to agree.
	Maybe there is something to it all.
	All right, East of the Rockies, your turn with Dr. Greer.
	Hi.
	Hey there.
	Hey there.
	Hey Art Bell, I'd like to thank you and Mr. Greer for everything y'all have done.
	Y'all have done great work, both of you.
	Mr. Bell, you led me to truth, and I found the truth, and Mr. Greer kind of illuminated it a little bit.
	And it wouldn't be fair of me to receive all this without trying to give something back.
	I would like to ask Mr. Greer, have you read the Urantia papers?
	Yes, I'm familiar with those.
	Well, I didn't know if you was, because they helped me and changed my life, and I think anyone should know if they're after the truth about where we're coming from, where we're going, and all those good questions that we need to be asking.
	That's where most of it is that expands our minds the most.
	Okay, you have read it, Doctor.
	Yes, I have a copy.
	Any comments?
	There's some interesting information in it.
	I don't know that it's altogether 100% accurate, but it's interesting.
	Okay.
	West of the Rockies, your turn with Dr. Greer.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	Am I on?
	I hope you are.
	Jim from Littleton, Colorado.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Doctor, some years ago I read a little book by two Russian scientists in which they put forth the theory Their contention was that the moon was an artificial satellite, and they had some very interesting arguments to support that.
	Are you familiar with that by chance?
	I have heard that.
	I certainly don't have any reason to confirm that that is an artificial satellite.
	I have heard that about Phobos, that in fact the Phobos probes that the Russians sent up apparently found that it's Yes, sir.
	My name is Mike.
	and gravitational effects were not what would be predicted if it were totally solid.
	There was some speculation that it was in fact not solid.
	But again, I do not have any independent information corroborating that.
	I certainly have heard those stories.
	Okay.
	I think we can get one more in.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Stephen Greer.
	Yes, sir.
	My name is Mike.
	I'm calling from Wisconsin.
	You opened the show with an email from a young lady, and I felt at the time that Dr. Greer
	dismissed them out of hand.
	And I'm going to give... I didn't know that I answered as many of the points as you did.
	Actually, I thought, sir, I thought we kind of went down the line and point by point... Why don't we send a super weapon to hover over North Korea and just tell them to knock it off?
	Well, I think perhaps you weren't listening to my response.
	I think that the problem is, is that if we were to openly use any such craft or weapon, it would, a priori, disclose the existence of those technologies, which has been one of the central reasons for the secrecy all these years.
	And you cannot come out with something like that and demonstrate its use and have the world see it without then people saying, well, gee, Why don't we have that same type of technology in use that we can get off of oil since the President of the United States has said that we have to get off our oil addiction.
	So I think, you know, you run into a serious problem with that theory and I think it betrays a lack of knowledge of really what's been behind the secrecy and the big monkey power game that's been played.
	around a centralized economy that's highly dependent on our energy system being fossil fuels.
	We're out of time.
	That's it.
	We're out of time.
	Buddy, it's been another extraordinary show.
	Dr. Greer, thank you so much.
	Thank you, Art.
	Have a good trip.
	Thank you very much.
	Have a good night.
	I'm Art Bell at AOL.com, Art Bell at MindSpring.com.
	See you next weekend.

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