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Aug. 6, 2006 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Howard Bloom - Space and Middle East
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From the Southeast Asian capital city of the Philippine Islands, 7,107 of them, I bid you good morning, good afternoon, good evening, whatever the case may be in all those time zones, covered ever so well by this program, Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell, and with the Mayan volcano to the south of me, ready to blow its top We'll first take a look at the news, and the news around the world is certainly not good, and it's going to lend itself very well to tonight's guest in the next hour, Howard Bloom.
This hour, we are going to do open lines, and I will get as many of them as I can in during the hour.
However, the world news, I mean, on a scale of one to ten, with ten being bad, this rounds out neatly at about eight, maybe eight and one half.
Israeli warplanes pound Beirut's suburbs.
This whole thing is in the process of a gigantic escalation right now.
A defiant Hezbollah pounded northern Israel with rockets Sunday after rejecting U.S.-French truce proposals, killing at least 15.
Israel also struck hard, killing at least 14 in Lebanon As both the sides tried to take advantage of days, of the days, that is to say, before a UN resolution is to be put to a vote, but that's... I don't think it's going to end anything and I don't think anybody thinks it will.
At daybreak Monday, Israeli warplanes pounded Beirut's southern suburbs with eight airstrikes, stepping up bombardment of the Hezbollah stronghold.
It was not immediately clear what was targeted.
And in a fuel-starved Heat-rich country.
This is certainly not good news.
Major Alaskan oil field shutting down.
Anchorage.
In a sudden blow to the nation's oil supply.
We really need that, right?
Half the production on Alaska's North Slope was being shut down Sunday after BP Exploration Alaska, Inc.
discovered, get this, severe corrosion in a Prudhoe Bay oil transit line.
V.P.
officials said they didn't know how long the Prudhoe Bay Field would be offline.
They didn't even know how long it's going to take to shut it down.
So, at a moment that we really, really need the oil, we're now going to have a little less of it or significantly less of it.
Cuba's Vice President said Sunday Fidel Castro indeed is going to return to work in just a few weeks after intestinal surgery that forced him to hand over power, at least temporarily, to his younger brother.
Fidel's going to be around for another 80 years, said the Vice President.
Rather unlikely unless Fidel has found that magic water.
Three U.S.
soldiers have been killed in Iraq bombing.
Fighting erupted early Monday in a Shiite militia stronghold of Baghdad.
And a suicide bomber blew himself up among mourners at a funeral in Saddam Hussein's hometown.
That killed 10, injured 22.
Three U.S.
soldiers were killed late Sunday in a roadside bombing southwest of Baghdad.
At home, the news is not much better.
Phoenix.
Police there say the gunmen took turns.
The gunmen took turns as they drove around the city of Phoenix.
Some nights it was Samuel John Dietman, a burly electrician with a ragged mop of jet black hair, according to court documents.
He'd blast at lone pedestrians, randomly this is, from the window of a silver Toyota Camry in what he called random recreational violence.
That's an exact quote.
Random Recreational violence.
Other nights, the trigger was pulled by his roommate, Dale S. Hasner, a baby-faced janitor and freelance photographer, again, according to court documents.
The 9-11 conspiracy business has hit the Associated Press mainstream news.
And we're certainly going to ask Howard Bloom about this.
Kevin Barrett believes the U.S.
government might have destroyed the World Trade Center.
Stephen Jones is researching what he calls evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives detonated inside them.
And not by hijacked airliners.
These men aren't uneducated junk scientists.
Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall over the protests of more than 60 state legislators.
Jones is a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy people.
And I know there certainly are many out there.
We'll ask Howard Bloom about this tonight.
In a moment, the rest of the news.
As I mentioned to many of you, I think yesterday, I'm suffering through a cold here.
I think my fourth since arriving in the Philippines, so bear with me.
And speaking of the Philippines, the Mayan volcano, which is to the south of me, well to the south of me, by the way, is indicating now that it is ripe for a full-blown eruption.
The Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology reported that the advancing lava flow now is estimated to have reached 450 meters elevation, while the length of the main lava flow is about 4.5 aerial kilometers from the summit crater.
It certainly is very impressive.
I get to see pictures of it every day.
And it's tossing stuff a good half mile into the air and threatens to do a whole lot more.
So it looks like we're going to have a big eruption on this side of the Ring of Fire.
Now, I want to take a moment and remind everybody that we've got a free Streamlink weekend underway.
Now that means that between now and Monday morning at six o'clock, you can listen to the show live, right now, along with several other things.
You can listen to the show absolutely live and absolutely for free.
It's just a way to introduce you to a better way to listen.
And by the way, If you haven't done it, my favorite way to listen really is to get it going on the computer and then get something like the C crane transmitter, hook it up to your computer, find an empty FM channel, and then you can broadcast this program kind of throughout your house, throughout your apartment, whatever.
And you can take a radio and just tune to an empty FM channel and listen to the show as you walk around with a portable.
It really is pretty handy, I'll tell you.
Global warming.
I guess I want to take a second and ask you to go to the website, coasttocoastam.com.
There is something up there that is almost beyond alarming.
It's an ABC News story, that they were kind enough to get up for this show, that I think none of you can afford to miss.
Among other things, it shows you what's going to happen To the world as what has been predicted, which is certainly coming true in spades right now, and what is predicted will continue.
Now this will affect your children.
In fact, this will affect you actually.
It will affect your children to a greater degree, but it certainly will affect you.
70% of the American public now says yes.
Global warming is in fact a problem.
58% of the people say the government is just simply not doing enough.
In fact, at the end of the piece, You will see the ever conservative doubter, Pat Robertson, openly, publicly, and finally admit that he was wrong, and that global warming is absolutely real, and that man's hand absolutely has something to do with it.
So, it's right on the front page.
You can't miss it.
ABC News.
You've got to have a little program to run it, and that program is available free of charge.
You know, the QuickTime program.
So, go watch that report.
It also covers the methane bubbles that are beginning to come up out of the ocean.
Very, very worrisome because they will contribute, as I've said in other shows, and by the way, some of my guests said, oh no, no, no, no.
Methane is not going to be a problem.
Well, when it begins bubbling up from the bottom of the ocean, it damn well is going to be a problem.
It's going to add to global warming.
And I just can't urge you enough to go to www.coast2coast.com and let this report run.
and let this report run. Take it in.
That's something to worry about and of course what's going on in the world is too active.
A handful of money scams uncovered across the United States in recent years, bearing Hezbollah's fingerprints, have quite a few experts worried that if orders were given to launch a major attack against the U.S., the means are now in place To do so, the FBI has made Hezbollah a central target of its counter-terrorism efforts, setting up a unit dedicated to tracking the group and assigning agents to develop sources in Lebanese and other Middle Eastern communities across the country.
Security officials worry that if Hezbollah does one day decide to strike, it can exploit an already existing network in America.
Who's getting hurt in the current heat wave?
Well, as always, the elderly, the young.
A lot of people living alone, of course, died during the July 1995 heat wave.
During several days that week, temperature actually was over 100.
Heat index on July 13th of 126.
Now, as you look at the ABC story, you're going to see that each year in the last five years has been hotter and has made records hotter than, that is to say, than the last.
The highest temperature ever recorded anywhere on Earth was in Libya.
That was in September of 1922 at 136 degrees Fahrenheit, can you imagine?
Highest temp in the U.S., Death Valley, California, 134 degrees.
And while all of this is going on, as you probably begin to peruse that ABC story that you really, really need to see, How's this one?
From Whitley Streber's Unknown Country.
Headline, Congressman Vows to Fight Global Warming Bill.
House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, Republican from Missouri, says he's going to make sure that the 110th Congress will not address the climate problem.
Good going, Congressman.
He offered as his reason that the information is not adequate, despite the fact that as long ago as 2001, over 1,000 climate experts, that's 1,000 climate experts, published a report stating that, quote, there is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is directly attributable to human activities.
ThinkProgress.org reports that 61 members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, are co-sponsoring Henry Waxman's Safe Climate Act.
That would mandate the creation of an official response to the climate problem.
So in the middle of all this news, here we have a congressman Deciding that we don't need a bill on global warming.
We just don't need it.
By the way, I've been neglecting to mention this, but let me read this from James in Newberry Park, California.
Hey Art, I just had to convey to you my excitement as I recently have been playing the new game Prey.
That's P-R-E-Y.
And, lo and behold, I heard you in a series of radio broadcast segments aboard the Alien Sphere ship.
I called out to my wife, Jen, Jen!
It's Art!
He's in a video game!
Your radio shorts were a spectacular addition to an extraordinary game.
Yes, it's true.
I've been getting a million emails about this, so I guess Prey is getting out there pretty well at the moment.
Prey is a new video game, and before I left the U.S.
I did do the voice tracks for the video game Prey.
All right, let's turn and begin to take some calls from around the country.
I really like that ABC segment and I just, please, I cannot urge you enough, if you're anywhere near a computer at all, you've got to go to coasttocoastam.com and you've got to see that report.
You simply have got to see it.
Wild Card Line, good morning.
You're on the air.
Good morning.
This is Gina.
Hello there.
Yes, Gina, extinguish your radio for me, please.
Okay.
First time caller, too.
Yes, ma'am.
Well, I just have a question about reincarnation, and I also have a lot of reoccurring dreams.
All right, well, let's have the question on reincarnation.
Okay, well, I have a feeling that maybe reincarnation isn't real.
And that when we have a lot of reoccurring dreams, we're picking up on DNA in our relatives' memories from our past relatives' lives.
Okay, well that may be so.
But you know, Gina, I would say this to you.
Do a little research and you'll find the council at NSEA actually eliminated... Reincarnation used to be in the Bible.
Yeah.
And they took it out of the Bible.
Oh!
And, you know, that worries me.
Yeah, because my dad believes in reincarnation, but I don't because I have a lot of reoccurring dreams that come true.
Like my first one was when I was 17 and I had a dream of a car accident hitting a truck with a bunch of teenagers in the back.
And then about a month later that happened.
That happened?
My husband and I... Well, why does that... Okay, wait a second.
Let me stop you.
Why does that...
How does that take away from any belief you might have had in reincarnation?
Okay, well, I've had so many dreams in my life that have come true, but I also have a reoccurring dream of an Indian girl in wartimes running for her life, and she doesn't really have anywhere to stay, so she finds a treehouse that was a white person's, and she's not supposed to sleep up there because she might be mistaken for a white person during wartime.
Well, how do you know you were not that Indian girl?
Well, I don't know that.
I just have this dream over and over that she gets caught in the treehouse and she gets killed by... Okay, but you said your dreams lead you away from the theory of reincarnation.
Why?
I just feel like we only have one life and how can we have all these lives?
I don't understand it.
I think maybe we're picking up on our relatives' lives.
Well, that could be.
It could be that there is some memory in DNA.
It could well be.
I tend toward believing in reincarnation.
I wonder about why.
If we reincarnate, And we have no conscious memory of that previous incarnation, then how are we to become the more perfect beings that the entire concept of reincarnation would seem to suggest we're trying to become?
Right?
If reincarnation is a constant sort of school, and you're going up in grade levels, trying to get to the point where you graduate and become a, in quotes, perfect person, then with no conscious memory of what came previously, I just don't know how that's achieved.
But that's, I guess, one of the great, great mysteries, huh?
On the east of the Rockies line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
I am?
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry I missed your question.
Oh, Dead Like Me?
Dead Like Me, I guess, is being carried on the SyFy channel, is that correct?
Where are you calling from, sir?
Harrisonville, Tennessee.
OK.
And I'm sorry, I missed your question.
I said I showed you that real good, Dead Like Me.
Oh, Dead Like Me.
Yes.
Dead Like Me, I guess, is being carried on the SyFy channel.
Is that correct?
Yes.
Yeah, so those who missed it originally can now catch it.
It's the old thing, isn't it?
It's absolutely a spectacular program.
I decry the fact that it was cancelled.
And it was cancelled in the second season.
Now, I've got something I want to say about this.
Well, I guess I did previously say this, at least on one occasion.
I thought, no I didn't come to think of it publicly.
I actually talked to the producers and of course some of the, I talked to the young actress who plays part of the young lady in Dead Like Me.
And that of course was when it was still running and in its second year.
Now, for those of you able to watch the show on the Syfy channel, I want you to observe something and that is that the first year was absolutely spectacular.
My God, the first year was great, but in the second year, there was a noticeable change in the writing, the production, something changed.
And I mentioned this to one of the producers of Dead Like Me, and there was this long silence on the line.
And so, apparently what happened is, the person who had been writing or producing whatever, left.
And they changed the direction of the show in the second season.
That's something I think you'll see.
The first season, though, was simply pristine and wonderful, and I highly recommend it to you if it's running on SyFy.
Take a look.
It's called Dead Like Me.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good evening, Art.
How you doing?
Just fine, sir.
My name is Bill.
I'm in Payson, Arizona.
And we used to call you when we lived up in Reno, my wife and I, well, six months ago.
And I wanted to tell you, down here in Payson, they have a fan club that's called the Art Bell Discussion Group.
It meets once a month from 2 to 4 at the public library.
And what pray tell do you talk about?
Well, I haven't been to it yet, but I'm going to send you a letter.
And we don't have a computer, but I'm going to fax it to your screener in LA, or I'll call her and she can tell me how to get it to you.
But they were talking about your move overseas, you know, to Manila.
I can imagine.
Not every talk show host picks up and goes to the other side of the world and then keeps talking.
No, because I know you still miss this desert dust from back here.
Sometimes you do.
Well, listen, I miss the desert.
I don't miss the desert dust.
Okay, just one last thing I wanted to ask you.
Do you have a local station over there like you did in Pahrump when you were on the air?
No, I absolutely do not.
I do not broadcast in the Philippines.
Okay, that's what I was wondering.
Do you still own your FM station in Pahrump?
Oh, I absolutely do, and it's raging away, doing a wonderful job in Pahrump.
All right, everybody, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
We're in open lines.
Anything you want to talk about is absolutely fair game.
So, from Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Jamie from Richmond, BC, Canada, went to the website, watched what I suggested from ABC, and says, hey Art, just saw the video you spoke of earlier.
I'm convinced.
All of you need to go take a look at that.
It'll scare the hell out of you.
And it should scare the hell out of you.
And when you see headlines like a congressman wants to make darn sure that a global warming bill does not make it through, I just don't know what to say.
we'll be right back incidentally i want to thank all of you who have uh...
and i'm convinced i've had enough emails and enough people have talked to me about uh... estrus c
that uh...
following today's program i'm going out to our local market which
interestingly here is called market market It's a gigantic mall.
Oh, incidentally, there's a new mall open here in Manila called the Mall of Asia.
I think it's one of the largest, one of the largest malls in Asia.
It's absolutely astoundingly big.
It's so big that...
Well, frankly, it's difficult to find your way around.
It's just sort of a maze.
It's just store after store after store after store.
But it is astounding.
So I think you can probably look up on the net and see a picture of Market Market, a single picture somebody put up there.
And then there's the picture of the Mall of Asia, which has just literally been built.
So I'm going to go out and buy some Ester C.
A lot of estrus, see, and see if I can't rid myself of this God-forsaken cold.
Now there's something else apparently going on in Alaska.
Let's go, let's see, let's go here and say hello.
Are you in Alaska by any chance?
Yes.
Hello, my name is Rose and I'm calling from Kenai, Alaska.
There was a big fire in my village where I'm from.
There's 1,300 people Yupik Eskimos that live there.
I know you lived in Anchorage, Alaska.
Oh, I did, and as a matter of fact, I've been to Kenai, so I know Kenai quite well.
And how many have been made homeless?
Oh, about 70 people, a little bit over.
They lost everything from pots and pans, their winter food, clothes, absolutely nothing left.
Their guns, their snow machines, and I was calling To appeal to your listeners for help for donations.
They don't have their homes completely burnt down.
In order for people to make donations on there has to be something official and safe set up.
So the way you would do that would be to contact our producers once that is done and you have a place where help can be sent.
I'm very, very, very sorry to hear that.
And that's a very serious situation, of course, in Alaska or anywhere else.
And, of course, also we've got the news this day of just about half of the production of Prudhoe Bay in Alaska being cut off because of erosion, I guess, on one of the pipelines.
Now, they didn't indicate there had been any spill, but this is a developing story, so I guess we'll have to see.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Garrett, how are you?
I'm okay, sir.
Where are you?
My name is Ron.
I'm calling from Connecticut.
Hey, Ron.
Long-time listener.
Enjoy your show very much.
I also enjoy your webcam shots.
I appreciate those.
The current one is of myself, Abby Dose, who has grown to be a monster of a baby.
He's only nine months old.
And, of course, Yeti.
Uh-huh.
I'd like to make a proposal, if I could.
I'm listening.
My wife is ill, and she's got cancer that might be very dangerous to her health.
It's serious, it is serious, and I know you don't like doing mass consciousness experiments, but I'd sort of like to put it out there for the coast.
Okay, well, I don't do mass consciousness experiments.
We do do prayer, of course.
Well, that would be fine.
And what I was going to do was I was going to try to call Dean Radin and see if there's any blips on his screen whenever you, you know, we talk about this and see if There is not something that is revealed in his eggs, you know, the generators, the number generators.
Well, you know, you can watch the eggs yourself.
Have you tried?
No, I will.
How do I do that?
All right.
Here's the way you do it.
You go to Google, the ever faithful Google, and just put in Princeton Space Eggs.
Or Princeton Space Consciousness Project.
And either one of those two will get you there.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Welcome.
Hello.
Art?
Yes?
Hello, this is Carmine Truong.
How are you doing?
I'm doing all right, sir.
I'm going to make a pretty bold claim here.
I have a mathematical proof.
Um, that we can generate power without burning anything and without actually inputting any energy at all.
And they basically teach us all we need to know in high school.
Uh, except for, of course, putting some of these pieces together, like, uh, very simple equations.
Uh, you're a rate payer.
People that consume hydro know that they're billed for kilowatt hours.
So, basically, energy is power times time.
Right?
Pretty simple.
Would you concede that?
You mean power times the amount of time you use that much power?
Correct.
Power over time is your energy consumption, right?
Alright, so that's one established relationship between energy and power and time.
Einstein gave us energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.
That's the second equation that I submit.
The third equation is Newton.
Force equals mass times acceleration.
It's all very simple high school level math and physics.
And so, how would this power be generated specifically?
There's various designs, many designs.
Give me one.
Bismuth Rotary Engine.
A Wankel Rotary Engine.
Takahashi Motor.
Basically, closed loop systems.
Systems that power themselves.
No, they don't.
The Wankel engine is a good engine, but it does not power itself.
No, there's a variation.
Electromagnetic Wankel, that can be configured to power itself.
Actually, sir, let me throw you in on something.
There's nothing eternally producing energy as far as the Wankel engine is concerned.
I wonder how many of you, I did own a car that had a walk-on engine in it.
And it was very interesting because it did produce a very large electromagnetic field.
Now, you ask, how would I know that?
Well, I was always a fan of taking a compass and putting it right up on the dashboard.
I loved to have a compass in my car.
And when I had the Wankel engine, I began to notice that my compass was, after just a very few days, permanently and forever pointing toward the engine.
In other words, it made no difference whatsoever where the car was pointed.
After a few days of use, the compass was permanently magnetized toward the engine.
No, I don't know if the Wankel engine has any use in terms of energy.
In other words, it would just keep going and going and going and going with no input.
It certainly required gasoline, as do other internal combustion engines.
It was a very interesting engine.
It was very smooth.
It was fairly efficient, and it produced one hell of a magnetic field.
Electro-magnetic.
No, actually just magnetic.
I think.
I never took the time and trouble to find out if it was electro-magnetic, but certainly it was magnetic and extremely strong.
To magnetize a compass like that, and it did it not once, but several times, and I finally gave up even trying to have a compass in a Weichel engine car.
I wonder if anybody else out there experienced that, and I wonder what it means.
On yet another wildcard line, you are on the air.
Hi.
Hey, Art, how you doing tonight?
Just fine, sir.
Oh, that's good.
My question, or not my question, but my theory, we all are getting really sick and tired of the moon debunked promoters out there.
Yeah, I'm kind of tired of it too.
I kind of like to use their own so-called evidence against them.
And they always complain about the shadows going in different directions.
So the other night, your buddy Mr. Hoagland was on talking about the ancient glass structures on the moon.
Let me run this theory by you.
Say you got a very large glass or crystal structure, and then you got this big ol' bright sun out there, and the crystal structure is cut like into facets.
Well, if the sun is coming through there, and when it hits those various facets deflecting light...
It should produce a big rainbow effect.
Yeah, and what if it is a deflecting light in those different facets
and when it hits different objects it's throwing shadows in different directions.
At the same time there's another big glass structure on the...
Well, once again sir, stop for just a second.
Once again, think about what I said.
If what you just said is true, and they are there, and they're prism-like, they would produce various colors.
In other words, as the sun went through and was reflected in different directions, you'd get a rainbow of color type effect, wouldn't you?
If it had an atmosphere like we do on Earth.
But if it does not have an atmosphere, then those different elements wouldn't show up in the colors.
I'm going to have to think about that one.
Okay.
And as I'd like to continue, say on the other side, way over here to the right, out of range of the camera, there's another big glass structure that has more or less a mirror effect.
And if the sun is hitting that and bouncing that sunlight back the other way, shooting shadows in the opposite direction, Is there a chance that that theory would prove why shadows are going in different directions because it's bouncing off the structures up on the moon?
I really cannot comment on that.
I don't, I'm not sure, but the more I think about it, the more I think that I'm correct with regard to the various colors that would be displayed, not certainly in a lack of atmosphere, but they would hit the ground, those colors.
In other words, as the sun passed through a crystalline type structure, there would be various colors displayed on What, Moondust, I guess?
In this case it would be Moondust, right?
All right.
Let's go here and say hello.
You're on the air on Coast to Coast.
The love of the Lord is upon you again, Mr. Bell.
Hail to Stacey Webster III, God's ten-star general in the war against media pornography.
And I'm calling tonight I don't know why you are not defending the bravest man in Hollywood tonight who is taking a stand for Christians everywhere and is being persecuted because he is a Christian.
Mel Gibson.
They framed him.
They're persecuting him because he made the most beautiful movie ever, The Passion of the Christ.
The Passion of the Christ was indeed a beautiful movie.
They're not persecuting him because of that.
They are upset with him over the remarks made during his arrest.
Well, he has freedom of speech, and I don't think he told one lie while he was being arrested.
Well, hey, buddy, you've got freedom of speech, too, and you abuse it all the time.
I do not!
How dare you!
You do so?
Was I not correct about global warming?
Now the methane bubbles are bubbling up from the boiling pits of sewage?
You never called that global warming.
You were talking about the pits of sewage in hell.
You never connected that to global warming.
Don't be twisting words, JC.
Come on.
Don't be twisting words, JC.
Come on.
Sir, we know that these methane bubblers are coming from the center of hell, directly from hell, where all the dirty pornographers are.
I want to talk about Mel Gibson, who has the courage to make Christian movies about Jesus.
He won't make the filth that Hollywood wants.
They want these movies with gay cowboys that give them Academy Awards.
And now, that movie has forever, it was a direct attack on the American icon, a direct attack on America itself, because the image of the cowboy is America.
If there's any attack that's been made on Mel Gibson, he brought it on himself, bud.
He brought it on himself.
Who?
Mel Gibson?
Yes.
He's a hero!
He didn't tell a lie, did he?
Well, the heroic thing that he may have done, Jay-Z, is to have made an actual apology.
Instead of saying, I apologize to those that I may have offended, he made an actual apology.
Now they're making up apologies for him.
He shouldn't be apologizing, he should be standing up before us and proclaiming his righteousness and his truthfulness.
Well, in that case, you must be upset with him.
J.C., slow down.
You must be very upset with him.
In view of the sincere apology, and most people do view it that way, that he made, I would think you'd be very upset with him.
I'd be upset with him if he's turning tail and running from the truth of his original words!
Well, how else would you interpret...
How else would you interpret...
...in collusion with the Canadians...
JC...
...and the homosexuals...
Yes, sir?
Yeah, cool your methane for a moment.
How else would you interpret his sincere apology?
I would say that it's a fake, that he's not apologizing, and that they framed him in the first place.
Wasn't the offending officer one of those New World bankers that arrested him and framed him, and they were stalking him, and they're trying to get payback because he made a Christian movie that told us about what they did to Jesus?
A New World banker?
A New World banker?
Cops, most cops don't make a whole lot of money, and I doubt he was a New World banker.
talking about the Jews and listen they they didn't they when you deny their
so-called Holocaust they get offended but every day they deny the Holocaust of
Jesus and get away with it how dare them well how you're not telling me you deny
the Holocaust are you oh it's a dubious question It's a dubious question.
How do we know?
Were you there?
Did you see him?
I don't know.
You're a holocaust on a line.
Excuse me?
Yourself.
How dare you?
I absolutely dare.
How dare you?
You insultate me constantly, Mr. Bell, and all I'm trying to do is bring love forth.
You're trying to bring love forth?
Love, yes.
Because I'm trying to save America.
You are, huh?
Yes, from the dirty pornographers, and you're talking about the food porn is just pouring out of the TV sets, and you got George Nord talking about his prostate problems.
How's that helping people in America?
I don't know.
I suppose the people with prostate problems are helped.
It's disgusting, and in poor taste.
It's disgusting?
You just made a new word, JC.
Disgusting.
I was going to make a point about how Hollywood is ruining the image of a man.
I like to dress in a country and western style.
And I wear a cowboy hat.
And now I can't go to the tax door without worrying about someone looking at me thinking I might be a homosexual because they have those movies about gay cowboys.
Yeah, I saw that movie.
I wasn't particularly impressed.
That was a direct attack by a Taiwanese communist with Canadian actors where they filmed it in Canada.
It makes sense where the queers run wild.
Oh, JC.
Uh, how can you be so full of hate?
I am not full of hate.
I am full of love.
You are full of hate, JC.
It comes spewing forth from your lips like the methane out of the ocean bottom.
I just want love and purity to come back to America.
Your listeners were so disgusting they turned Edna against me.
She's on the run with a biker.
Wait, wait, wait.
Edna has left you for a biker?
You didn't know that she fled the compound with $10,000 of the Lord's money?
Wait a minute, the Lord's money?
Yes!
It sounds a lot like you're claiming... We work together!
The Lord and you work together?
People question the New Revelation, let me tell you.
What do you think Edna's doing?
I think she's doing pornographization, for one thing.
I don't know!
How carefully, JC, did you screen Edna before you, well, got together with her?
I wasn't together with her, how dare you!
Let's find out, were you and Edna actually married?
You would dare to incline such things if you only knew what you were insinuating.
Were you actually married, J.C., or were you living in a state of sin?
No, not sin!
How dare you?
You know I am so sinless.
You know I am the most pure and righteous man on the entire planet.
I am not in a state of sin.
And my original wife, who let me, who tried to get a divorce for I don't know why... Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Your original wife, J.C.?
Your original wife?
Listen, Grandma Webster is burning in the boiling pits of sewage because she used to watch Liberace.
And so I have a vested stake in keeping homosexuals off our TV, and pornographers off of our TV, and Canadians off of our TV.
You know, you talk so much about homosexuality, JC, that frankly, I wonder a little bit.
Oh, how dare you!
You are insinuating all forms of insultation, Mr. Miller!
No, it just seems to me, I mean, your calls are just packed full of this.
Excuse me?
I said your calls are just absolutely packed full of this.
You know, you protesteth a little much, Jay-Z.
Let me tell you something, Mr. Bell.
I am trying to save America here.
Listen, the boiling pits of sewage, pretty soon those volcanoes, the boiling sewage is going to come up out of volcanoes.
Didn't I predict floods and fires and fantastic famines and everything?
I called it, didn't I?
My predictions always come true, Mr. Bell.
And you know that God is talking directly to me, and I'm bringing the new revelation.
And when I told God, I said, God, listen, I know you said you weren't going to write another book.
This is what people try to attack me with every time.
Hey, wait a minute, Edna.
I'm getting a vision, that is to say, J.C., of Edna right now.
I think she's in a little red sports car, J.C., purchased with $10,000 of the Lord's money, and I see a young man right next to her.
Oh, no.
She took off with a dirty biker.
All right, JC.
Thanks for the call.
We've got a break.
How unfortunate.
We could have continued with this.
See you later, JC.
From Manila in the Philippines.
I'm definitely fully awake now.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
It is indeed.
From Manila in the Philippines, the land of 7,107 islands, we're now going to have to make a switch that's just about impossible, and that's from JC to Howard Bloom.
I don't know how we're going to do that, but we'll give it a good old college try here.
Howard Bloom is founder of the International Paleopsychology Project and the Big Bang Tango Media Lab
and in addition is a founding board member of the Epic of Evolution Society, that's an interesting name
and the Darwin Project. He's also a member of the New York Academy of
Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science,
the American Psychological Society, the Academy of Political Science, Human
Behavior and Evolution Society and the International Society for Human
Ethology. Yikes!
That's a lot. Now, we're going to we're going to talk with Howard about NASA.
He's got a lot to say about NASA, and that's a bit of a different topic for him.
But before we do that, I mean, obviously, with the world news the way it is, the war in the Mideast escalating like crazy, minute by minute.
I'm not going to be able to afford not to ask him some questions in that area first.
So, in a moment, Howard Bloom.
Now again, we've got Howard Bloom scheduled.
In fact, he's here right now.
Normally, we've spent many hours talking about terrorism with Howard, but gee whiz!
And we are going to talk about NASA, but Howard, welcome to the program.
With what's going on, Howard, in the Middle East, it's absolutely unavoidable.
I just can't not ask you about it.
I think about an hour and a half watching Fox News, God bless the cable company here, they carry Fox News, before I came on the air and it looks absolutely awful.
I want to get your take on the Middle East and is this just sort of a big flurry of activity prior to some kind of actual peace or is that, could it be as Newt Gingrich suggested, the opening flurry of World War III?
It is more likely to be the opening flurry of World War III than it is to be the opening of any kind of peace.
There is no opening anywhere in this for any kind of peace right now.
And if you want a connection, and there is a connection, between what I've been doing with the space community and what's going on in the Middle East.
The Middle East has been preoccupying me tremendously.
It makes me... Well, listen, NASA will hold for just a little while.
I really want your take on what's going on.
Rockets, rockets, rockets, rockets, rockets.
Basically, you've got a proxy war between Iran and the West.
Israel is doing the West's dirty work.
The Iranians founded Hezbollah in 1982.
They founded it only three years after establishing the Iranian Revolutionary Constitution.
The Iranian Revolutionary Constitution says that Islam is dominant over all other religions.
And that basically, Islam must rule the Earth.
And it's taken quite a while for Iran to get to the position where it now has mid-range ballistic missiles with a 1,200-mile range, where it now, in all probability, has nuclear warheads.
And if it doesn't have them now, the figure we're being given at 10 years, I cannot believe that figure for a minute.
If it's 10 months, it wouldn't surprise me.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me either.
The Islamic bomb was first tested in 1998.
That's almost ten years ago.
That's eight years ago.
And we know that Pakistan is a Sunni country and that Iran is a Shiite country.
But the divisions between Shiites and Sunnis are not so big that the two cannot cooperate.
It is very difficult to believe that Iran is operating without nuclear weapons at this point.
Hezbollah has an obvious presence in the government of Lebanon, or at least they did until most of them were taken back down into Israel.
Is there a similar presence in Iran in the official government?
You mean a similar presence of Lebanon in Iran?
I mean, basically, this is an Iranian-owned and operated operation, Hezbollah.
Hezbollah, there was a debate when Iran was putting its revolutionary constitution together, and one group of secularists said, it is important that we say, now that we have gained our freedom, that we support the rights of other nations to their freedom as well.
But the clerics were the guys who really had the power, and they said, absolutely not.
This is, we have a religion that calls for a one world government.
One world, under one God, ruled by one law.
And as a consequence, it's absolutely incumbent on us to bring Islam to the entire world.
Now, in the case of Hezbollah, Hezbollah has claims, it's head claims to have over 12,000 rockets.
That's as of approximately 10 days ago.
The reason that Israel was forced to cut off all the roads in Cloverleaf, originally I was horrified by that.
Why do you destroy a country's infrastructure, for God's sakes?
Why do you impoverish a people that way?
Probably because they were used to transport the rockets you're talking about.
Yes, exactly, exactly.
And tonight there was a report, and it was only an hour ago, that there is a rat line bringing in missiles from Syria anyway.
You know that there are extensive bunkers and tunnels.
Underneath Lebanon.
That Hezbollah has now had, from 1982 until today, to dig itself in.
And to dig itself in with one purpose and one purpose only.
To annihilate Israel.
But, here's the deal, Art.
You know that I've spent 30 years or so researching Islam.
And over the last year, I've learned how to read the motherlode.
That is, I've learned how to read the Hadith.
And relate them back to the Quran.
The Hadith are the eyewitness accounts of Muhammad's life.
And they are holy books, just like the Koran is a holy book.
And basically, the pattern of Islam from the very beginning, from Muhammad's day, remember, Muhammad led 65 military campaigns.
He commanded 65 military campaigns.
He personally led 27 of them.
And in the words of the Islamic scholars, he left a total system that included a military system with military strategy.
And his strategy was, when he couldn't get a big win, He went after the Jews.
He went after the Jews who lived in Medina, the town where he was camped out.
He went after one tribe, drove them out of the city, and ethnic cleansing, took all of their goods.
This made him a big man in town, because he was able to hand out all the riches of the Jews to all those who would follow him, and it allowed him to bring in other tribes as potential allies.
The next time he was unable to win a battle, and it wasn't able to bring in a lot of money, that is, a lot of clothing, a lot of the things that were valuable at the time, a lot of sheep, A lot of date orchards.
He once again went and clobbered another group of Jews.
He did this four times.
So, clobbering the Jews in Islamic military tradition is a prelude.
It's a prelude to bigger conquests.
Each time he clobbered a Jewish tribe, it was to set himself up for a bigger battle against a much, much bigger enemy.
Now, who are the bigger enemies these days?
Once you get rid of this little tiny I'm not sure that I'd characterize it that way.
It is small geographically, but whatever we do or don't know about an Islamic bomb, we do know that the Israelis have lots of them buried in the desert.
Yes, absolutely true.
So a question to you would be...
That's right.
So my question to you would be, the Islamic bomb aside for a moment, how far will Israel be pushed before they dredge one of these up and use it?
You know Art, that's a very good question.
And I think that Israel would have to be extraordinarily desperate, extraordinarily desperate to go to those lengths.
I think that Israel would have to feel that it was on the verge of utter annihilation.
And even then, knowing the nature... Look, I'm Jewish and an atheist.
We both know that.
But knowing the nature of us Jews, we'd have a lot of moral qualms about using them, even if we were on the verge of extinction.
Explain how you're Jewish and an atheist.
In other words, as a Jew, perhaps not Christ, but, you know, God still fits in there somewhere, or did, or should.
Well, you know, this is a tricky one that we've danced around a number of times.
I'm Jewish, and I have Jewish parents, and they had Jewish parents, and their parents were Jewish, their grandparents were Jewish, all the way going back to God knows.
When you're Jewish, you're born as either a Levy or a Cohn.
You're traditionally a part of a tribe that goes back 2,800 years.
The Levy's are the Cohns.
My family is of the Levy's.
So if my family traces its roots back accurately, then originally my family was living someplace in the Middle East.
There are people who say that's not true.
There are people who say that there was a large tribe of Jews living in basically Turkish territory.
Who converted to Judaism, and that many of us Jews come from that tribe, but one way or the other, as a human being, you know, the size of my nose, the shape of my face, and various other things.
I'm Jewish.
Okay, well, being that as it may, what about the belief in God part?
What about the belief in God part?
Or the lack of the denial.
That, I can't help that any more than another person can help his or her belief.
At the age of 13, it suddenly hit me that I was an atheist.
And Lord knows, Art, we'd really have to go digging to find out where that came from.
But it was so deep in my bones, it was so deep in my marrow, that there's no way I can evade it or avoid it.
So you honestly believe there is no higher power, there is no creator, as it were, we're down here on our own?
Yes, and I think there's an old rabbinic saying from the 15th century, and it says, in essence, God left creation half-finished so that we would finish the other part.
And if that's the notion of God, then so be it.
I think that it's up to you and me to make peace, it's up to you and me to make justice, it's up to you and me to make the kinds of multi-generational projects that take humans out of misery and put them in a far better position than they ever were before, and it's up to you and me to do the kinds of projects that were done for you and me.
I'm sure we both came from families that at one point were poor.
And those families eventually managed to crawl up to the middle class.
They didn't do it by themselves.
They did it with the efforts of hundreds and thousands of other people who came before them, who invented everything from language to tools to the kind of industrial machinery that allows us to have inexpensive cotton shirts.
Well, no, for the record, we both did not come from poor families.
In my case, Howard, my family was pretty well off.
However, at a very early age, I chose to leave home.
My family chose not to assist me for reasons that I now understand, and I had to crawl out of absolute personal Poverty for many, many, many years as a radio guy.
So I sort of crawled out on my own from that.
But for the record, my family was reasonably well off.
We certainly weren't rich.
We were fairly well off.
Now, I would like to know, Newt did say the opening salvos of World War III or something just like that, and you just agreed with him.
How do you see this current conflict from where it is right now developing into what could be World War III?
Well, China has invested a tremendous amount of money in Iran, and a lot of that money is invested in developing oil fields in Iran.
Those oil fields will only be available if the Iranian government holds firm.
Russia has got, for some reason, a great emotional affinity for Iran, probably because it can use Iran to play it against us.
So the major challenge over the last two or three weeks for Condoleezza Rice Has been to go to the Chinese, to go to the Russians, and to keep them from falling in line with Iran, as Iran plays out its hand.
We don't know what hand Iran is playing, and you and I, I don't know if you and I have discussed the Guardian in Britain's Iranian hypothesis about how we got into the Iraq War to begin with.
Well, we should.
I think you were last on July 17th with George, so that may be one I missed.
Right.
Well, basically it goes something like this.
Once upon a time, we, who were manipulating Saddam Hussein at the time, we'd helped him get into power.
When Iran really hated our guts and made that very apparent, we decided to get even.
And we encouraged Saddam Hussein to go to war against Iran.
Now, Iran welcomed that war, because Iran, as I said, felt that its revolution would sweep the entire Islamic world, and then having swept the entire Islamic world, They spent eight years trying to toss Saddam out of power and put a revolutionary government like their own in charge.
And they failed.
It cost them a million lives and God knows how many millions of dollars.
and Iran's clergy are intermixed. Totally intermixed. They spent eight years
trying to toss Saddam out of power and put a revolutionary government like
their own in charge, and they failed. It cost them a million lives and God
knows how many millions of dollars, and they failed. And then they came up with a
clever scheme, according to The Guardian.
The scheme went like this.
There was a man named Ahmad Chalabi.
And Ahmad Chalabi had spent 25 years working his way up in contacts in Washington.
He had worked his way up in the level of his contacts in Congress, the Senate, in the Pentagon, and in the White House.
And the Iranian intelligence agency Phonied up a bunch of documents showing exactly where all of the weapons of mass destruction were and exactly what their nature was.
Diagrams, charts, the whole thing.
I'll tell you, when we found out we should drop Chalabi like a hot rock.
Well, what did we do?
We dropped him in a way that was so peculiar and so mysterious that it hasn't been explained to this day.
All of a sudden we raided his home one day.
We never gave an adequate reason why.
He was our golden boy who would take over Iraq for us, as far as we're concerned, and suddenly he was humiliated and we never got an explanation.
The only explanation we got was something vague about Chalabi having something to do with Iranian intelligence.
Well, actually, you're right.
So Iran cooked all of this up.
Iran virtually launched us into the war against Iraq.
I think that's fair, right?
Right.
And now what does that do to us?
It does something that Osama Bin Laden characterized very cannily in one of his speeches.
He said, look, we bled the elephant to death by poking it under its belly in the case of the Soviet Union.
And we're doing it again in the case of the Americans.
And what did Osama bring forth?
He trotted out all of the statistics on our gross domestic debt, the whole thing, all of our economic bleeding, hemorrhaging.
The kind of statistics that you read in the Wall Street Journal.
Now, he took personal credit for that, but in fact, Iran was aiding that.
If it's true that we went to war in Iraq, it's very hard to believe that George Bush Jr.
would have such a small mind that he would go to war with Iraq only because there's a picture of his dad on the floor of a hotel, and everyone who enters that hotel has to walk on it.
To commit 150,000 troops or more, 165,000 in some cases, to war just because of that, I'm sorry.
Even for George Bush Jr., that doesn't make sense.
No, I don't buy it either.
But if, indeed, he and Tony Blair have what Tony Blair scored in front of Parliament over and over again he had, which is the precise documents explaining how these weapons could be mobilized in 48 hours or less, Tony Blair does not impress me as being a dishonest person.
Not by a long shot.
And if Tony Blair is going before Parliament and telling them that he's got documents, he's got documents.
Where did he get them?
Well, The Guardian was being somewhat speculative, but about two weeks ago on the Colbert Report, Colbert had an author on who had left the CIA and had been forced to write up what he knew about the CIA in the form of a novel.
That's the only way he could get past The CIA's surveillance process.
Sure.
Their censorship process.
It was all about Iran.
It was all about the mysterious role of the dark hand of Iran in all of this.
Now, in the last couple of weeks, what we've seen is that Iran has taken two of its client groups, one of which is wholly owned.
It's as wholly owned by Iran as your local McDonald's Is by both its owner and the franchisee.
It's a franchise, except it is wholly owned.
Often your local McDonald's is owned by a local guy.
I'm sorry, this group is not locally owned in Lebanon.
This group, Hezbollah, told us very bluntly in the 1980s, do not, and these are the words from a Hezbollah cleric in the 1980s, do not believe for a minute that Hezbollah wants a revolutionary Islamic state only in Lebanon.
We want an Islamic Revolutionary State that rules the world.
Well, now they're showing that they have worked with a long-range plan of some sort, and they have managed to sucker us.
Look how much money we have spent.
Okay, I agree with you, Howard.
They've suckered us into the Iraq War.
I think you've made that point crystal clear, but from this point forward, Even with the Katyushas falling like rain on Israel, I still don't quite understand, even conceding that you're correct and that's how they got us into the war, how this will develop into World War III?
Well, I do not think that it will develop into World War III as of today, because I believe that Condoleezza Rice and whoever else is involved behind the scenes in diplomacy has done a good job of pulling China and Russia along with us.
But if the kind of situation developed that we had in World War I, where a minor crackpot, a Serbian nationalist, kills a person who's never had any governmental power whatsoever... Now let's do it.
Alright, listen, Howard, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour, so hold tight for a moment.
From Manila in the Philippines, a land of 7,107 islands, I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Here we have some people who have decided that we will either convert to their religion or we will die from their point of view.
You know, frequently I wonder how many people this really means.
How widespread is this belief, this movement, this Islamic fundamentalist belief?
How really widespread is it?
One of the things that we really don't get In the West.
Not that I'm in the West anymore, come to think of it.
But one thing we don't get in the West, or for that matter, in this part of Southeast Asia, in my opinion, is the true depth of that conviction.
We'll ask Howard about that in a moment.
One of the things that I think it's very important that the American people, people in the West
and for that matter, this part of Southeast Asia understand is how really widespread this
Islamic fundamentalist movement is, the one that believes that we ought to either convert
or die.
And at this point I think they've given up on conversion and they're hotter on the dying
Howard, how widespread, worldwide, is this movement truly?
Well, you know, because you're in the Philippines right now.
That's right.
And you know that Mindanao is controlled by who?
Well, that's going a little far.
The southern part of Mindanao... Well, not really.
I'll tell you why.
The southern part of Mindanao... In 100 years of Muhammad's death, Islam had an empire that went all the way from Spain to the Philippines.
That is a huge distance.
That's more than halfway around the world, especially in such a primitive time, around 800 or 700 AD.
That's right.
That empire was five times the size of the Roman Empire.
In other words, it's the biggest empire in the history of this planet.
It's seven times the size of the United States of America.
And the remarkable thing is this.
A couple of days ago on Charlie Rose, there was a Harvard historian Who said, point blank, that no empire in the history of the world has ever learned how to win the hearts and minds of people.
Now, is that true of Islam?
Remember that Aceh, which is not that far from where you are right now, it's part of the Indonesian, Malaysian, Philippine vastness of islands.
Aceh was taken within 30 to 40 years of Muhammad's death.
And Spain was taken within about 60 to 70 years of Mohammed's death.
Now, in Algeria, are people still Muslims?
Yes, but my question is worldwide.
Worldwide, how really big is this fundamentalist belief?
It's very hard to tell, because I used to estimate it at 5%.
Now, Muslim Demographers are claiming right now that there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and that would mean 80 million Muslims.
5%.
80 million is a lot of people.
That's as many as the population of Germany and England during the days of the Second World War.
A lot of people.
But one of my Islamic friends, when I said this, looked at me really strangely, as if I was wacko, and I thought I'd estimated the figure too high.
That 5% was much too high.
No, he said.
When it comes to being sympathetic, when it comes to the people who had smiles of glee that they wouldn't let you see, in his community, which is right near mine, in Brooklyn, when it comes to the number of people who are sympathetic to the fundamentalists, he said, it's 70%.
Now that is very hard for me to believe.
That's a little difficult for me to believe, too.
Right, but... You really think it's that high?
It's somewhere in between.
No, I think it's somewhere in between.
Look at your own situation right now.
How many fundamentalist groups are there who show up in the news all the time in the Philippines?
Um, quite a few.
Right, I mean... But again, again...
Yeah, but again, it's not teeming with fundamentalists.
There are some radicals, no doubt about it, in the southern part of Mindanao, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they run Mindanao.
No, they don't.
But the fact is that you've got fundamentalist groups in Mindanao and in the Philippines and in many of the other islands.
You've got fundamentalist extremists in Malaysia and Indonesia.
To your south and to your west, if my sense of direction is correct.
Right.
You've got them in Central Asia, you've got them in the Xinjiang sector of China, you've got them all through Central Asia, you've got them all the way down through the Middle East, you've got them all the way across a third of Africa, because Islam had a third of Africa and was exploiting Two-thirds of Africa.
Up until 1880, Islam was using Africa as a source of ivory, gold, and slaves.
We had a slave trade that was horrendous.
It uprooted 10 million to 11 million people from their homes.
It killed one out of every 10 of them in transport.
That's a million people that were killed in our slave trade.
That's horrendous.
And no wonder it's called an African Holocaust.
But the slave trade in East Africa, and Asia, and the Middle East, the trade in slaves from Africa, was 120 million lives uprooted.
And far more killed, because again, there is a military code to Islam.
There is a military strategy to Islam.
And the example Mohammed set is, kill the men, take the women and children as slaves.
That is your right under the fundamentalist interpretation of Islam.
There are many Muslims who would not accept that for a minute.
Who would not agree with that for a minute.
Right, well, the key is how many.
I'm really trying to figure that out because the size of our enemy is certainly relevant.
Let me try this one out on you.
Right now, Israel's pounding the hell out of southern Lebanon, actually well above southern Lebanon.
How successful, in your opinion, are they being in crippling, obviously they're not going to get rid of Hezbollah, but in crippling Hezbollah for a significant amount of time and setting up ultimately some kind of buffer zone?
If they can destroy the road system that feeds Hezbollah, if they can get Hezbollah to use up or if they can destroy its 12,000 rockets, they can make it very difficult for Hezbollah to rearm itself.
I mean, 12,000 is a lot.
Imagine how many years it takes to build up that many rockets.
They can also keep it from bringing in new rockets from Iran that are mid-range and long-range rockets.
All right, let's try this.
Let's say that they're being at least moderately successful so far.
If Iran looks at this, and if Iran really is running the show, then Iran might say to itself, well, look, this didn't work.
Hezbollah just was not that successful.
So if we're going to continue, we're going to have to become more directly involved.
Right.
And if they can become more directly involved, all they have to do is take two missiles or three missiles.
And if they have either nuclear warheads or if they're willing to use serious chemical warheads.
Because remember, Syria has all of the chemical weapons that we've talked about with horror over the last ten years.
And including VX gas, the most deadly of them all.
And all they have to do is take a couple of their long-range rockets and hit three cities.
Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, And a city that's already being hit, Haifa.
That's the end of Israel.
Yeah, would that be the tripwire that would cause Israel to use a nuclear device?
That's a good question.
You and I would have to hope that it was.
And we would have to hope that it was because somebody's got to put Iran out of business before Iran puts all the rest of us out of business.
Again, going back to the tradition, remember, in Islam, there's something very different about Islam from most other religions.
In Islam, to be truthful, righteous, and upright, one must follow the example of Muhammad.
One must follow the path of his life.
Now, there are periods in Christianity where the same thing has been said about Christ.
We must follow in his footsteps.
But we have the footsteps here of a man who used murder on a regular basis.
He murdered all of his critics.
He murdered even two slave girls who satirized him.
He had one run down by a war horse.
But the most important thing is to capture Mecca, which was his major enemy, his major target, was to capture Mecca.
He went to a town called Khyber.
Again, it was a Jewish town, and it was considered the Garden of the Hijaz, that is, the Garden of the Desert of the Arabian world.
He took the city through ceaseless siege, he beheaded every single one of its men, he took the women and children as slaves, and he did it with a very specific purpose in mind.
He wanted to show the people in Mecca, if you don't succumb to me peacefully, this is what will happen to you.
And it worked.
And that is what Iran, apparently, may be trying to do with Israel.
So, if they see Hezbollah, again, failing, are they going to step back and go to Plan B, or are they going to become, in your opinion, directly involved?
I would hope that they would step back and go to Plan B, because they have several things that we are not, right now, taking into account.
First of all, they've got 165,000 American hostages.
They are in the slow, patient process of taking over Iraq.
Remember, Saddam Hussein was able to eliminate every sort of organizational force that existed in his country that might in any way threaten him.
Everyone, except one.
And that one was the network of mosques.
And that network of mosques is run to this very day by an Iranian, al-Hastani.
So the only political party that was left in a land that we had cleared for democracy was the Iranian Revolutionary Party.
But Iran knows that we think short-term.
We think in terms of exit strategies.
We think in terms of quarterly profits.
And the word patience shows up so many times in the Quran that you wouldn't believe it.
because the comprehension in islam of the importance of multi generational projects long slow
patient projects is immense
and our comprehension of the importance of these long term slow project has
almost disappeared and that is why i i i absolutely agree with all all of that
harris So, you're suggesting then that if Hezbollah fails or is sufficiently pushed back, that Iran probably will just sort of fade back a little bit and try and figure out a new, patient way to get done what they want done.
I'm sure that they already have it in mind.
Now, they own... Have we ever discussed what sunburn missiles are?
Uh, no.
Well, they own a bunch of sunburn missiles.
Sunburn missiles are Soviet missiles that move at 2.2 times the speed of sound.
That's very, very fast.
Yes, it is.
They're cruise missiles.
They are very intelligent cruise missiles.
They're made for skimming over the surface of water, and they will literally skim down into the troughs of the waves and skim over the peaks of the waves.
And they'll do it in a zigzag pattern.
They carry a warhead six times the size of the Hiroshima bomb in power.
And they are built for a very specific purpose.
America has a force projection capability that depends on between 12 and 24 aircraft carriers.
Without those, we are dead in the water.
So you're suggesting they could take our aircraft carriers out at will?
Oh yes.
Oh yes.
In other words, if we were to do a show of force, which we usually do with our aircraft carriers, basically saying, we're the big boys on the block.
They have a way of demonstrating that we're not, crippling us at the knees.
Then they have our 165,000 troops that are hostage as well.
Let me circle back a little bit.
You said six times the power of the Hiroshima bomb?
Right.
I don't know how you get that unless it's nuclear.
It is nuclear.
Now this is assuming, I mean they've bought these missiles and they've had them for quite a while.
that are designed specifically for nuclear warheads.
Okay, I'll buy that, but how do you prove to us that they actually have the warheads to go along?
I can't.
I can't.
Your enemy, going back to the lessons of Muhammad, Muhammad says war is guile.
By that he means war is lies and trickery.
War is misleading the perception of your enemy.
Sure.
It's keeping your enemy guessing.
Sure.
And we did that with D-Day.
We very successfully kept the Germans from knowing that we were massing a huge number of troops in the north of England.
It wasn't easy, but we did it.
It's much easier in a totalitarian country, like Iran, to mask what you've got.
And one of the things that they've been trying to do in Iran is play with us so that we wouldn't know how big or how small their force is.
I suspect it's much, much bigger than we think.
I suspect that's why they're taking this chance now.
Right, but you also don't think they're really going to use it?
You think they're going to sort of back away and work on this from a different angle?
Well, I really think that their goal is to accomplish what Muhammad accomplished with the destruction of Khyber, and then the taking of Mecca.
It is said in the Hadith, and this may sound ridiculous, but this is the Hadith.
First of all, God took the world, says Muhammad, and unrolled it to me like a scroll, and he brought its far ends together on either side, and he promised me all of this.
That's one of the passages from the Hadith, and that shows up about six times in the Hadith.
There's another one that says, God promised me Constantinople and Rome, and it took 700 years of patient work For Islam to finally take Constantinople.
It took it in 1453, 700 years after Muhammad's death.
It never gave up on the project.
It worked steadily on the project for 700 years.
And eventually God rewarded Islam for its patience.
Next comes Rome.
That means Europe.
That means Europe.
And why is Oriana Falaci living in New York City, not Italy?
Because Italy is too cowardly to allow her to live there after she said some nasty but true things about the Muslims.
The French also are kowtowing to Islam in many, many ways.
Thank God for the headscarf thing, at least.
Well, I'm not surprised at anything the French do.
You mentioned earlier that Condi Rice is Apparently being quite successful in her talks with China and Russia.
If we were privy right now to some of the diplomacy going on between the United States, Russia, and China about what's happening in the Middle East right now, what kind of talk would we be hearing?
You know, that's beyond my comprehension.
I don't know what kind of deals they are making.
I don't know what they're using.
I mean, for one thing, There's an argument that you or I would use if we were in Condoleezza Rice's position.
Iran having a nuclear capability with missiles that right now have a 1,200 mile range and will very shortly have an 1,800 mile range.
Do you know who that brings right into their target zone?
Russia and China.
Much more rapidly than it brings in Western Europe.
And that is something that I would bring up at length.
With the Russians and the Chinese.
Good point.
And I would remind the Chinese that every time they have gone according to the theory of any enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Right.
The enemy that they have supported, the enemy of their enemy, has turned around after it defeated its enemy and has defeated China.
Has walked right into the capital of China and taken over.
It's happened over and over again in Chinese history.
So I would remind them of that.
I would also remind the Russians that that had happened, and that that could happen again.
Because Russia and China have more to lose here than we do, even though they don't perceive it that way because they're in the oil game, and because they're both trying to break what they call American hegemony.
The American mastery of the world, as they perceive it.
Well, that's quite a tall order.
How do you do that, keeping the world still even slightly intact?
I'm not sure how you do that.
Well, in our case, I think that the people in the Bush administration are probably doing a very good job of their diplomacy.
The fact that they have some sort of an agreement on the table, and they seem to have gotten unanimity for it, although it's hard to tell.
Is a positive sign, even though the Lebanese won't go along with it at all.
And we really need to give the Israelis at least another six weeks to wipe out this rat's nest.
And that's how long you think it might go on.
It does show signs of continuing in this peace initiative.
I just don't think anybody's going to pay any attention to it until they're ready.
Remember the phrase, peace for land?
Yes.
We were sold that phrase for 10 or 15 years.
And when Israel gave up land, did it get peace?
No, and frankly, they didn't really expect it.
They didn't really expect it, but the fact is that every time the international community has guaranteed any form of peace to Israel, it has failed to materialize.
That's absolutely correct.
All right, hold tight, Howard.
We're at the top of yet another hour.
He really came on to talk a little bit about NASA, but I simply could not, obviously, resist asking him about all of this.
With all of this going on in the Middle East, we all have to keep our heads down.
I'm going to hope that he's right and that Condi Rice has been Telling the Chinese and the Russians that they, as he pointed out, have a lot to lose.
So while we don't know exactly what's being said, I think on Howard's part, that was a pretty damn good guess.
From the Philippines, Manila in the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
Hi everybody, indeed from the land of 7,107 islands, not all of them obviously populated, some of them incidentally for sale if you want to buy an island.
I am Art Bell and we've got Howard Bloom here and in a moment we're going to sort of change directions a little bit to what the show was originally going to be about and that is NASA And, of course, energy.
That fits right into it, the whole energy thing.
And when I get back, I'll read this second story in the latest 5-Minute Associated Press flurry of bad news.
And it really is bad news.
So, Howard Bloom, NASA and energy in a moment.
Once again, the second big news story in the Sowers Associated Press is all about our Alaskan
oil fields shutting down.
That's right, shutting down Anchorage.
In a sudden blow to the nation's oil supply, half of the production on Alaska's North Slope was being shut down Sunday after BP Exploration Alaska Inc.
discovered severe corrosion in a Prudhoe Bay oil transit line.
BP officials say they had no idea how long the Prudhoe Bay field would be offline One said, I don't even know how long it's going to take to shut it down.
That's Tom Williams, BP's Senior Tax and Royalty Counsel.
So, let's move a little bit in topic.
Howard, you say that you've got sources at NASA and the National Science Foundation that say that NASA and the space program are hemorrhaging blood and likely to die if their wounds are not tended to.
Explain.
True, even though it sounds extreme when you contrast it with the kind of stuff we've been talking about up until now.
And the connection to energy is right up front.
Three years ago, you and I spoke about this about four months ago.
Three years ago, a friend of mine at the National Science Foundation began hammering away at me, week after week after week, trying to convince me of two things.
That biofuels, that is methane and ethanol, Are viable.
That we can replace our gasoline with methane and ethanol.
And I didn't believe him.
And he tried to convince me of yet another thing.
That we could get unending amounts of power from space.
Space solar power.
And again, I didn't believe him.
Then, I found out, thanks probably to the good work of people like Vinod Khosla, the people who are pushing the biofuels movement these days, that there are 5 million cars on the road.
That are biofuels capable to run off of methane and ethanol.
Now, what's the advantage of running off of methane and ethanol?
Methane and ethanol can be made from corn husks.
Right now, we're making them from corn.
That's a silly idea.
You can make them from any kind of waste or refuse.
They can be made from sawgrass.
They can be made from sawdust.
And there's a company that's working on turning the stuff that you and I defecate into ethanol and methanol as well.
So, this is a source that's right here in America.
And the more ethanol and methanol we produce here in America, the more jobs we produce in America.
And it's time for us to stop hemorrhaging blood economically.
It's time for us to stop being a hostage to a set of oil-producing countries that hate our guts.
So we've got 5 million cars already on the road that they're called flex-tool vehicles.
You don't know.
If you've got one, you don't know.
Your dealer has never told you that you have one.
They've been produced in order to pull off a fast one on the government.
The government requires that our major automakers decrease or increase the mileage of their cars each year.
That's the CAFE standards.
And since, in fact, our cars have been getting bigger and bigger, they're going from SUVs to gigantic trucks, why a normal family needs to drive a truck is beyond me, but at any rate, the gas mileage has actually been going down.
But, you get special credits toward your cafe standards if you turn out cars that will operate on alternative fuels.
Now, you don't have to tell your customers they've got cars that operate on alternative fuels.
You simply have to produce them in order to satisfy the government requirement.
And that's what Chrysler, GM, and Ford have been doing.
The result is 5 million flex-fuel vehicles.
What is a flex-fuel vehicle?
It has a sensor and a microprocessor.
And the sensor and the microprocessor determine exactly what mix of gasoline, ethanol, you can't use methanol on these things yet, but what precise mixture of gasoline and ethanol you have, what's the value of that?
Well, these cars were developed by Ford for Brazil.
Brazil, ever since the days of dictatorship about 30 or 40 years ago, has been aiming at an all-alcohol economy, that is, an all-biofuels economy.
They're almost there, aren't they?
Yes, they are very close.
Somewhere between 40 and 70 percent of their total transportation fuel supply comes from biofuels.
And the biofuels didn't really take off there.
It was slowly growing, but then all of a sudden it hit a take-off point, because Ford invented something amazing.
The biofuels, that is the flex-fuel vehicle.
And the flex-fuel vehicle means that if you stop in Brazil on a roadway and the gas station you roll up to has nothing but gasoline, fill your tank with gas, don't worry, The sensor and the microchip will determine exactly what mix of gasoline and ethanol you've got.
If the next station you arrive at when you're empty is an ethanol station, so be it.
Fill it up with ethanol, the engine will take care of the mix.
That's amazing.
Yes, and those cars are being sold now in the United States.
Now in the word of Fortune Magazine is that in Brazil they are selling like iPods.
Let me tell you, I'm seeing them here in the Philippines as well.
Really?
Flex-fuel vehicles.
Yeah, it's actually written right on the side of some of the vehicles.
I'm beginning to see them.
Amazing.
Well, how could we be so stupid, Art, as to not keep up with the folks in the Philippines?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I haven't seen a lot of them, but I have seen them.
It turns out that 4GM and Chrysler are already turning out 36 different models of flex-fuel vehicles.
And it turns out that there are 72 companies with 93 plants that are already turning out 4.3 Billion, with a B, gallons of biofuel per year.
And there are another 2 billion gallons about to come online.
Now, if that isn't an instant start to energy independence, nothing is.
So, there's another parallel story.
There's a chapter in my book, The Lucifer Principle, a scientific expedition into the forces of history, that basically says we have to do everything in our power To understand why we make war, so that we stop making war, so that eventually, somehow, we achieve Isaiah's vision of turning our swords into plows and our spears into pruning hooks.
But we haven't gotten there yet, and as many understandings as Elusive Principle tries to throw at you, and as many understandings as Global Brain, my second book, tries to give you as to why we are so violent and how we can get out of it, it isn't enough.
And I know we're not going to stop war while I'm still alive.
But it says in this one chapter of the Lucifer Principle, because we're not going to be able to stop war during our lifetimes, and because war has become so dangerous in a nuclear age, especially a nuclear age where nuclear is going retail, if we don't get off this planet and put a bit of our species someplace else, we may extinguish our species utterly.
There are a lot of people who think that the reason that officially we have not heard from others is because they tend to, when they get to about the stage we're at now, blow themselves up.
Yes, it is a theory.
It's a reasonable hypothesis, actually.
Right.
So, look, help me out here.
Again, with NASA, you're suggesting we need to get going in space and, of course, we're sort of going Backwards right now.
Are we really in that dangerous a time with NASA?
In other words, are they really in that much trouble?
Well, they are, because the people that I've been in contact with, first of all, to give you a little bit more of the story... Now these are people you cannot name, right?
No, I don't want to name them at all.
But I was asked to contribute the chapter that I just told you about to a book called Beyond Earth.
And it was being put together by the Aerospace Technologies Working Group.
And I became a member of this group thinking that it was a group of rocket enthusiasts, rocket hobbyists.
I was wrong.
It was a group that was founded in 1989 by NASA.
And all of a sudden I was in the midst of NASA people.
One of NASA's people had a kind of epiphany, a conversion, approximately six weeks ago.
And suddenly space solar power, Which had seemed virtually impossible.
He saw as not only possible, but very easily realizable, and not easily, but something that can be realized and something that's absolutely necessary for America.
Absolutely necessary for America.
And he converted me to this vision.
Now, there's an important thing to keep in mind here.
Why is Islam right now such a threat?
Because of the power of ideas.
Because Mohammed's ideas have held a people together that goes all the way from Algeria to Aceh, in Indonesia, for close to 1400 years.
And it is said in Proverbs that without a vision, the people will perish.
And in the United States, I don't think we see ourselves as on the way to some new, vast frontier that will open up, and in the process of our opening it, will benefit all of humanity.
No, since President Kennedy directed us to go to the moon, we really have not had a vision, honestly, Howard, and I felt that was a big mistake for America.
America has always operated itself on visions, on plans for the future, and I'm in agreement with you.
I think that power from space is eminently doable.
Now, the plan I've always heard It features a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, collecting vast amounts of solar energy, very efficiently of course, in space, and then returning it to Earth with microwave.
Which is very similar to what Tesla, who is in the current issue of After Dark Magazine, was doing.
Broadcasting microwaves.
Broadcasting electricity.
That's right.
And the conversion rate of that microwave back to electricity is 78%, which is a very, very high conversion rate.
Pretty damn good, yes.
Now, what one of my friends from NSF has been doing is funding a lot of the technologies that are needed for space solar power.
Specifically, if you send one satellite up and it unfurls its great, vast arrays, because they fold up like fans, they're fairly easy to carry, and you send another one up and another one up and another one up and another one up, He's been funding robotic intelligences that will allow all of these assemblies to hook up together.
But then I said to my friends in the space community a few weeks ago, it's not a good idea to have one central source of anything.
That can always be knocked out of the sky.
Wouldn't it be better if Minneapolis had its own space solar power satellite?
If the fans of the Brooklyn Dodgers, they don't exist anymore, but if the fans of the Oakland Dodgers Have their own space solar power satellite up in space.
In other words, if many independent groups could have their own space solar power satellites.
So that, like the Internet, it's a vastly distributed form of ownership.
The grid can be fed here on Earth.
Right.
And my friends in the space community all said, yes, it's eminently possible.
Now, I've been trying to basically take the temperature of the people in the space community and see what kind of a vision comes out of what they really want more than anything else.
And I put a four-part plan together, again, because we have to have a long-term vision of where we're going and why.
Step one is biofuels to carry us over for the next 17 to 20 years until we're really able to get a lot of stuff going in space.
Yeah, we do need a buffer.
Right.
Space solar, because we won't be able to afford space if we keep spending our money on oil like this.
Nor will you and I have the spirit to continue if we feel that we're constantly like the head of a mop that's being swished around by somebody who has a handle on us.
And that's the way we're being treated these days.
The second step is space solar power.
The third step is mining the moon and the asteroids.
There are people who, when you go to these conventions, I've met my third space convention in the last six weeks.
I'm sitting here in a hotel room in Washington, D.C.
Overlooking the Potomac River and overlooking the airport, which is off in the distance on its own island.
It's a lovely view, but the point is that there are people at these sessions, every single one of them, who pointed out exactly what the prices are of platinum and titanium, how much platinum and titanium there is in asteroids, And how much we can bring back to Earth and how much it would be worth and what a profit we'd make.
But that's not the point.
Howard, I could not be in more agreement with you, but you know the view that you just described actually is comprised of the exact people that have to be convinced.
The people at NASA, the scientists, they're probably for the most part I'm all for this.
I'm sure they're all for it.
They realize the reasonable aspects of getting power from space.
It's not NASA you've got to convince.
It's the people in that view in front of you right now.
That's right.
And so what I've been doing is I've been traveling across the country, meeting with the people in the space community, trying to get a consensus vision.
By the way, Step 4 is Mars.
Step 4 is one of your periodic guests, Robert Zubrin's vision of how to colonize Mars.
And you're right.
We have to get a vision across to the public.
But first, I have to pull together a consensus.
It doesn't have to be me.
Somebody else could do it, but the only one who's doing it right now is me.
And I want to pull together a consensus vision.
And once we have that consensus vision, then determine how to get together a public relations structure that can carry that vision across to the American people.
You know that I spent 20 years doing fieldwork in pop culture.
And 15 of those years, as odd as it is for a person to listen to Bartosz Krzywinski, Beethoven, and Mozart to become a leading figure in the rock and roll world, I ran the largest PR firm in the record industry.
You know, working with Michael Jackson, Prince, Bob Marley, Bette Midler, ACDC, Aerosmith, Kiss, you know, many, many others, Paul Simon, Billy Joel.
Well, I did that for a reason, Art.
As a kid who's been into science since the age of 10, that means I've been into science now for 53 years, more than a half a century.
Why would I get involved in a form of music that I didn't know anything about?
Because I wanted to get under the belly of the beast.
I wanted to get into the dark heart where myths are made.
I wanted to get into the sense of public passions that makes an Islam happen, that makes a Hitler happen, and that brought the West to its finest moment in World War II, when the West was about to lose everything.
And it did it under Winston Churchill and FDR.
Those men knew how to rouse the finest forces in all of us and make and change history in their time.
And believe me, they were just as fragile as you and me.
And my task over the last 50 years has been to find out, using all the tools of my science, how to do that so that when the moment came when I could possibly have an influence of any kind, no matter how subsidiary, I could do my best to do what Winston Churchill had done, what FDR had done, and what many people whose names we will never know have done.
And that is help pull us out of a crisis.
And we are in a moment of crisis.
And part of that crisis is we do not have a vision, as you pointed out.
And we desperately need one.
Okay, Howard, well, it's the politicians that you're going to have to convince, or either that, or through a grassroots effort, convince politicians.
One way or the other, you've got to convince politicians, and they're worried about what's going on here on Earth right now. And of
course there is a big sentiment.
Look, we've got a lot of poverty, we've got a lot of troubles with a planet that's now
obviously heating up. We've got all kinds of earthly problems. Why in the world do we
want to spend any money at all on space when we've got all this going on down here? That's
going to be a tough sell. Because the unending amount of energy up there,
it will not in the short run, but in the long run it will alleviate these problems tremendously.
Also, why is there so much strife in this tiny, tiny piece of territory called the Middle
East?
The part that centers around Israel is a squidgeon.
It's the size of Long Island, for God's sakes.
I mean, it's a nothing.
Why is there so much tension about it?
Once upon a time, England and France spent 100 years making war with each other.
Because England wanted to take more territory, and the only territory it could imagine taking was in France.
So every few years, England would send an army over to France, try to carve out as much of the country as it could, and then go home.
This never stopped.
It went a hundred years is a long time.
Five generations.
What stopped it was when, suddenly, this new land that was as new as a new planet opened up to the English.
It was called the Americas.
And instead of training their eyes for territory on France, they were able to train their eyes on North America.
When they started to open up North America, taking pieces of France became irrelevant to them.
In other words, we have a crowding problem.
We need more real estate.
And there is a lot of real estate on Mars.
It's not easy.
To pioneer it.
It's not easy to homestead it, but it's there to be homesteaded.
It's there for mankind to harvest, and it's there for mankind to do something on behalf of all of life.
Well, on behalf of all of life, so when you're suggesting all of this, you're really being very negative on mankind's chances of survival on this planet.
You're almost saying to yourself and to all of us that, look, we are going to destroy ourselves, so if you really want humanity to continue in some form, you're going to have to colonize the Moon and Mars and beyond, or humanity simply will cease to exist.
It's a pretty negative view.
Well, actually, what I try to do with my books is give you so many insights that you can help solve the problem.
That you can take the solution of the problem of war a step forward, that your children can take it a step forward beyond you, and that their children can take it a step forward beyond them.
But that's a long process.
And meanwhile, we have Lebanon.
I sure hope we have that many generations left.
All right, Howard, hold tight.
We're here at the bottom of the hour, and one question that Howard asked, why is there so much trouble in such a little, tiny speck of, relatively tiny speck of land?
Meaning Israel and the Middle East.
I don't know, all of history.
All of history tells us why if we simply look at all of history.
From 7,107 islands, I'm Art Bell.
Hi everybody, Howard Bloom is my guest and we're discussing, well actually a range of issues from what's going on in the Middle East right now, which does really bear directly on I guess the space program because it's all related to energy and Howard's suggesting there's a very great deal of trouble with the space program and there ought not to be because actually in a lot of ways...
Down the line, in a way, it'll be our savior, or could be our savior, unless we cave in to the argument that we have so many troubles here on Earth that we simply can't pay attention to space.
And then there's, I guess, the greater argument that if we don't pay attention to space, there will not be any humans left to carry on.
We'll be right back.
Once again, here is Howard Bloom.
Howard, welcome back.
I'm going to take up kind of the next 30 minutes or so with you, and then we're going to turn you over to the audience.
Feed me to the lions.
Great!
Now, feed you to the lions is right.
However, you've meant an awful lot of sense to me.
I have long been Let's see what's the right word.
A cautious proponent of power from space.
There is one thing that I've been concerned about and that of course is the safety aspect of it.
If you beam microwave energy in mass back to Earth and you have a spacecraft that wanders a little bit, you damn well better have a very, very, very secure A method of keeping it where it is or shutting it off if it begins to wander.
Otherwise, you could cook a trail as it moves.
Well, I've been very concerned about that.
And I have been told over and over again that the transmission methods, there are two different transmission methods.
One is a light-to-light laser, which is being funded by one of my friends at NSF, and the other is microwave.
And I've been told that microwaves coming through the air are no more The kind that we're talking about are no more harmful to you and me than radio waves.
Now, we've been living with radio waves ever since we were born.
There were 600 radio stations licensed in 1922.
Right.
That's long before you and I came around, and we did not come out as mutants.
I don't quite buy that.
Well, I don't either.
I won't believe it until I really, really, really see it.
But as you can tell, right now we're pulling a lot of things together.
Space solar power is not something that the space community is universally behind.
In fact, far from it.
There are a lot of people in the space community who oppose space solar power because they have their own agendas and there's only a limited amount of money to go around.
One of the things that I'm doing is Condoleezza Rice-style shuttle diplomacy, trying to get the members of the space community to work together.
Whether there's time for that given my constraints, having to work on book deadlines and things like that, we'll have to see.
But so far I'm doing my best with it.
We'll see what happens.
And as for why NASA is hemorrhaging, it's because a year ago, almost precisely a year ago, the Chinese put two men into space.
And that prodded George Bush.
George basically brought in his wise men and said, I need a vision for space.
Now, when we talk about without a vision, the people will perish.
We're not talking about something stale and dry that's on a piece of paper.
We're talking about something vibrant and living and passionate.
Yeah, but he needs a funded vision.
Well, that's another problem with George Bush.
What he proclaims he will do is not what he funds.
But in this case, the vision that they came up with was something that made my heart sink.
And we've talked about this before.
It was the CEV and CLV program.
You don't like it.
And you said there's a lot of unhappiness with the crew exploration.
There's a tremendous amount of unhappiness.
Because, Art, have you seen the pictures?
You must have right now.
I have seen pictures.
Obviously, the shuttle is almost history.
I mean, it's very old.
We have to move on to whatever's next.
And, you know, why is there so much unhappiness with it?
Because what's next is a repeat of the Apollo program.
What's next, when you put together a mission that's going to cost 14 to 17 billion dollars a year, and it's something that literally looks up at the sky, that literally reaches toward the stars, that literally can provide a beacon of light, you are talking about something that has to make the human spirit resonate.
And I hate to sound so evangelical about something like space and technology, but this is About spirit.
It is about soul.
And Bush, unfortunately, and his minions were tone-deaf to the human spirit.
So what they did is circulated a bunch of pictures of vehicles that could only take us up to the moon to make footprints on the moon and put another one of those flags up there.
And that says to you and me, your best years, America, were in 1969.
Your best years are in the past.
A program of this kind has to say your best years are in the future.
Now, to achieve this program, which even Mike Griffin, the head of NASA, calls Apollo on steroids.
In other words, he's aware of the fact that it's an Apollo repetition.
And that's all it is.
They've been cutting budgets for all kinds of other things.
So one friend, one of my recent friends from this round of trips I've been making to the space conventions at NASA said, I used to tell people that my job at NASA was thinking big ideas.
They gave me a title last week that doesn't allow me to say that anymore.
Another person who's done some remarkably innovative things at NASA said, NASA is in a state of paralysis because of the space industrial complex.
I can't take it anymore.
I'm leaving at the end of the month.
Then when I had lunch with him two days ago here in Washington, He said, please don't tell anybody that I thought I'm leaving in a month because I haven't told my NASA teammates yet.
And this kind of discontent is all over NASA.
It's because no one wants to put up, throw away, billion-dollar tin cans.
And that's what these things are.
They're not reusable vehicles for the most part.
And nobody wants to simply repeat Apollo.
People want to do things that take them into new frontiers technologically, that excite them.
So does the American public.
Plus, Bush is only in office for another two years, and you are very right.
Whoever follows him as president may very well say, why are we wasting all of this money in space, especially if there is no exciting vision in space for us in space whatsoever?
Well, I think you're on the right track with energy, Howard.
Honestly, I do.
I have a friend right now, actually he's been a friend for a long time, he's going to be on the program with me next week, who's got a private space effort going.
But in terms of a national, look, we can do this kind of deal, we can make ourselves It's at least well on the road toward energy independence kind of drive.
Something short of that is just not going to be a vision for the American people, and minus a vision for another 30 years, we're in deep doo-doo.
I agree with you totally, and you couldn't have said it better.
You put it much more succinctly than I can.
Now you talked about, I call them the billionaires.
These are the little guys.
NASA's opening up a tiny little spigot of budget.
That's right.
for the private industry people. It's opening up something called the Commercial Orbital
Transportation Demonstrations Program. And we've got something coming up, Art, that's
pretty dire. In 2010, we're supposed to retire the space shuttle. We don't get a new vehicle
until 2014. For four years, America, which is supposed to be the leading country in the
world, doesn't have access to space. And India has access to space, and China has access
to space and even Israel has access to space but not the United States of America?
You, of course, referred to manned access.
Yes, manned access.
That's like slicing my tendons.
There was serious consideration of not repairing Hubble.
That's like taking out my eye, for God's sake.
And I'm speaking not just about me and my selfish desires, I'm speaking about hundreds of millions of other people.
There is an insensitivity To our dreams, right now, in NASA, that is chilling and killing.
And it is driving people out, and it cannot do that.
For 17 billion dollars, give me vision!
Well, I think it's a job of our leaders to provide vision, to provide actual leadership.
I don't blame them entirely, because the American public, Howard, has itself been lacking vision.
And I'm not referring, for the most part, to listeners to this program, because obviously they've got a lot of vision.
You know, they're into this kind of subject matter, and they have that vision.
But by and large, the American public sort of gave up on space and said look let's spend the money at home we
needed at home and that you know that that the politicians heard that
and it made it easy for them to do it now I think that the Challenger disaster the two
well that was part of it. Because you don't give up in the face of failure
I think that we have insufficiently explained to the American people
the benefits of a robust space Right.
You know, they say Teflon and a few other things they throw out that came from space research.
Actually, there was a very great deal that came from the research that got us to the moon, Howard.
There was a whole lot that came out of it, but we don't talk about that.
It's just not a big deal, and it became sort of politically Unpopular to be in favor of a robust space program, so it just died away?
Well, one of the people from NASA that I spent a lot of time with over the last two days said something to the following effect.
You can offer a person as much money to die as you want, and he will not take the money.
But you offer him an idea, and he will live and die for it.
And that again is, I mean, you're right.
I don't think that the vision of space has been, that its truth has been adequately sold to the American public.
I don't think that the people at NASA who are currently in charge understand that truth, the emotional truth of going into space, what it means for humanity, what it means for all of life.
Life is a process.
This planet has gone through 146 mass extinctions.
Al Gore's movie is right.
We are headed for a climatic catastrophe one way or the other, but it doesn't have anything to do with our smokestack factories.
I don't think we're going to... Howard, listen, we're not going to sell the American people on the idea of a space program by saying it's the only way we're going to save Some small last vestige of humanity.
We're not going to sell it that way.
The way we probably can sell it, though, is by selling the idea of solar energy transmitted to Earth.
I think that's got serious possibilities.
Right.
And then what do you think of the space tourism aspect?
I think that that has serious possibilities.
Robert Bigelow, as I mentioned, a good friend of mine, will be on next week.
Very interesting.
He's had a successful launch.
Yes, and I had him last week or two weeks ago in Las Vegas.
That's right.
By God, Howard, he's going to get a hotel up there.
And he's got cockroaches and moths up there living in his inflatable structure.
Its solar panels have deployed.
It's a minor miracle.
To allow cockroaches and moths to live may sound trivial, but it's not.
It means that he's got a life-friendly environment within this inflatable thing.
And he put this together by buying a bunch of NASA technology that NASA had abandoned.
And then developing his own patents.
Now, he's one of just a bunch of people who are going after the funding for this COTS program, the Commercial Orbital Transportation Demonstrations program.
The idea is, in those four blind years, when we have no way of getting humans into space, the private industry will take over.
And we have a bunch of people who are underwriting this.
Elon Musk, who made his billions with PayPal.
John Carmack, who made his billions with Doom and Quake.
Bob Bigelow, we just talked about.
He used to own Budget Suites of America.
Bert Rutan.
He doesn't have billions, but he created Spaceship One, and has gotten Richard Branson to invest in it.
And the list goes on.
If we are saved during those ten years of space blindness, of spacing capability, it will be by virtue of the efforts of these men.
And these are the men we have to look up to, and these are men who are going to be the heroes, I hope, of the next generation.
Well, God bless them.
But how do we get the American people, not just this audience listening tonight, but the American people en masse, behind the idea of power from space?
Certainly we have no lack of headlines.
I mean, tonight we find out that half our Alaskan oil is shutting down.
Right.
We've all watched the gas prices.
We can all see the temperatures rising.
We can all see the oil prices and gas prices rising.
We can all see this happening.
When will it come to a boiling point?
Where, you know, this kind of idea is going to be a relatively easy sell.
How do we do that?
It's going to take a million dollars a year, which in space terms is small, but in ordinary human terms is large.
It's going to take a staff of seven to nine people.
It's going to take people doing what I used to call perceptual engineering when I was in the publicity business and now art.
For me, Because I was in publicity not to make money, I was in publicity to learn what I could about making history.
To me, perceptual engineering was taking a truth, a bone-deep truth, that no one saw, and showing them how to see it.
Even if it meant taking them to lunch for four hours at a time for three years straight before they saw it.
Eventually getting them to see it.
And the space program needs that, but first the space program has to have something exciting about it.
And of course, space solar power is a key central point.
I'm not sure that it's going to require a manned space program.
No, it's robotic.
That one is robotic.
But you will need to have humans to service the thing.
And it's a good reason to get humans into space.
Have you looked at all into the space elevator concept?
The space elevator concept seems too unlikely to happen.
To me.
I would gladly be into it, but I don't see any signs of it really producing any results.
Rocketry, we already know, even though it's an old technology.
I mean, you know, Robert Goddard was fooling around with liquid-fueled rockets in the 1930s.
But with rockets, we can do this.
And not only that, Bob Bigelow can put up his hotels.
I was suggesting that Bob Bigelow put up his hotels by the space station.
The International Space Station is an utterly worthless piece of junk, but it becomes useful As a tourist attraction.
It becomes useful as something people can go see as the biggest boondoggle in the history of mankind.
I'm sure there's lots of other attractive reasons that we can offer.
You're suggesting the hotel go up near it, just so you can see the biggest, most expensive boondoggle that man has ever hoisted into space.
Yes, pretty much.
I mean, people will be curious.
They go to see the Titanic.
That was one of the most expensive wrecks we've ever seen, too.
Is it really that dim for the International Space Station?
I mean, where are we with that, by the way?
Nobody sees any real use in it, except a small amount of research on what happens to humans if they spend a long time in space.
But frankly, a lot of that research was done on Mir, which was a real functioning space station.
And the budgets for this kind of research art have been cut.
Here we have an International Space Station, and the last few budgets that had anything to do with any science that would help us get further into space are gone.
Now, Burt Rutan, who is the winner of the X Prize, the most brilliant creator of airships of our time, Burt Rutan, at one of these conventions that I've been attending, said, if I were Mike Griffin, in other words, the head of NASA, and I were given the instructions that Mike Griffin has been given, I would do exactly what Mike Griffin has done, then I would call a press conference.
When all of the press was assembled, I would walk up to the microphone, I would grab it, I would say, this is stupid!
And I'd go back to my office to work.
At least for 10 minutes before you were dismissed.
Right, exactly.
So yes, I agree with you totally.
We need vision.
I agree with you totally that solar power is a very good way to get it.
It literally is a beacon in the sky and we humans are attracted to light and energy and we're attracted to things that are high above us.
Those represent our aspirations, our dreams, our stepping stones to the future for generations to come.
How do we sell it?
We need a team.
We need money.
Whether those things will materialize, I have yet to see, but the one thing that I did trigger at the convention I was at last week was a promise to sponsor a seminar with the leading scientists in the world on space solar power today to see where the concepts of space solar power are, what can be done to implement it, given the fact that we've got brand new technologies that weren't available last time space solar power was being evaluated 30 years ago.
Well, I've been reasonably convinced that enough safety could be put in place, sort of a redundant backup safety business, so that if this thing got off target, if the satellite were to drift, it would automatically shut off.
I've been kind of convinced that that part of it may, we may have enough technology now so that it could be safely done, and if it could, there is an Just a virtually unlimited amount of power that could come from space, and in a relatively small area, be collected and then distributed here on Earth.
And if that's not enough reason to go to space, looking at today's headlines, I don't know what is.
We need new real estate.
It's hanging above our heads.
Just waiting to be grasped.
No, you're absolutely correct.
I just can't figure out how we fire the American people up.
Well, my wife likes to say that when China gets there, we'll want to get there too.
And China and India are working on it.
In fact, China and India are negotiating with some of the space solar power people that I've been spending my time with over the last few weeks.
But there has got to be a better reason to go to space than to beat the other guy.
And that's the only thing that really got us there before.
Well, that got us there before.
We're not doing this because it's easy.
We're doing it because it's hard, said John F. Kennedy.
And what he didn't put in as we're doing it to beat the Russians.
Well, that's exactly why we did it.
And then after we got finished, we weren't sure why we did it.
And we certainly were not sure why we should continue it.
And so, of course, we did not.
And many of those boosters are still laid to waste.
Hold on, Howard.
When we come back, we'll go to the phones, whether you want to talk about what's going on in the Middle East or you want to talk about what ought to be going on above our heads.
And the two are related.
Either way, you're welcome.
You know the phone numbers, so come talk to Howard Bloom.
I'm Art Bell, from the land of 7,107 islands in Southeast Asia, the Philippines.
seven islands in Southeast Asia, the Philippines. We'll be right back.
How do we get the vision that Howard Bloom has so, in such an articulate manner this morning, described?
How do we get that vision?
We've got to get it.
We're not going to sell that by saying, well, you know, we're going to destroy ourselves and so if we want any of humanity left, we're going to have to position them on the moon and Mars and on outward from there.
That one won't sell.
I know it won't because people just refuse to believe that, even if it might be true.
But energy from space?
Well, yes, that one might sell.
The question is, how to sell it?
Boy, you need a really good public relations firm to get that one across.
We certainly need vision.
We haven't had one since we decided to go to the moon, successfully did so to beat the Russians.
Since then, not a whole lot of vision, a whole lot of action, a whole lot of movement, a whole lot of griping, complaining, but not much vision.
Not in America.
Anyway, listen, Howard Bloom's coming up and it's going to be your opportunity to ask him questions, whether you want to focus on his first hour when we were talking about what's going on in the Middle East, or the second hour when we talked about space and vision.
That's up to you.
You've got the phone numbers.
Let's hear from you.
Howard Bloom up for all of you in a moment.
I would like to remind the audience that there are two excellent ways to get hold
And listen, I depend very heavily, by the way, on your sending me important breaking news stories that don't quite fit into the mainstream.
So, if you run into one of those, by all means, send it to me.
Here are my email addresses.
It's artbell at aol.com.
That's artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at aol.com or The bigger one is artbellatminespring.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L-A-T-M-I-N-E-S-P-R-I-N-G-D-O-T-C-O-M.
And I only say bigger because the mailbox is a little bit bigger, so more of them get through and not quite as many bounce now.
There are many, many of you waiting to talk with Howard.
I'm going to be very curious to see what you've got to say.
I hope some of you have some ideas that might work.
Howard, you ready?
Absolutely.
Well, the lions certainly are, so let's jump on it.
I want to tell you something.
Can I tell you something before we take the first lion?
East of the Rockies Lion, can you hold on a sec?
Well, sure, Howard.
Okay, hold tight for a second.
Go ahead, Howard.
I'm in the middle of digesting three weeks' worth of touring these three conferences, giving seven lectures and the whole thing, and trying to determine where to go next.
Your support on the space solar thing means the world.
It helps.
It comes at exactly the right moment.
As awkward as it is to thank you on the air, Art.
Listen, brother, here's what you can do for me.
Dig up somebody, either in NASA or outside of NASA, who really knows what the hell they're talking about technically.
Have them get hold of Lisa Lyon, my producer, and have them scheduled to be on a weekend with me, one of the weekend days.
I really want to understand, technically, How this is going to work, how safe it's going to be, and how much it's going to mean.
And that's the way we can sell this, Howard.
So find me somebody.
I will.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hi.
Hi, Howard.
It's Gary calling you from near St.
Louis, Missouri.
Pleasure to talk to you again after about four years.
Wow.
Hi, Gary.
How you doing, Mr. Bloom?
It's a pleasure to talk to you, too.
I've been listening to you for several years with Mr. Bell and Mr. Norrie.
My question for you is, and I'll try and see if I can listen to it off the air, on the air.
You were talking in the first hour about the... Can I just give you a news bulletin?
Sure, go ahead.
I told you I was looking out over the airport in Washington, D.C.?
Yes, sir.
The airport lights, the entire thing, have just disappeared.
Now, it could be.
Oh, no, no.
Sorry.
Sorry.
The railing got in the way.
All right.
I'm not in Washington right now.
Yeah.
So, okay.
Back to you, Gary.
You were talking about the potential of tactical nuclear strikes against American aircraft carriers.
Right.
I understand some of the preventative measures that they take for that, and I'll leave it at that.
What would stop our government in the case we were hit from having one of our new Los Angeles attack class submarines or one of our boomers even to be strategically positioned, which would not be that difficult, and sit there and simply find out where that was at and launch a missile defense that way because they're not going to be able to find those submarines that easy.
And I'll make an effort to listen to you off the air and thank you for your time.
Okay.
Gary, I'm not familiar with those submarines.
I've been spending most of my time in the submarine world with Pakistan's French submarines.
But the question is, would we retaliate?
Would we retaliate in a nuclear manner?
Will we know where the missiles came from?
I think we would know where the missiles came from.
Will we go after a big site like Tehran?
Our difficulty is that If we went after anything in Iran, it would have to be their nuclear facilities.
And I think there's a very good reason that they've been parading their nuclear facilities in their exact location in front of our very eyes.
And that's that they don't have their nuclear weapons facilities where they keep saying they have their nuclear weapons facilities.
That may well be, but just yesterday, Howard, I heard them say not only would they not stop enriching uranium, but they were going to ramp it up.
One of the reasons that one of the analysts gave for why now with this step with Hezbollah and also with Hamas, because remember Hamas had launched a thousand missiles as of June 13th at Israel.
It just wasn't being covered by our press.
And the answer was because the UN was about to start working on a resolution condemning Iraq's nuclear stuff.
And this would take the headlines off of Iraq's nuclear activities.
Well, it certainly did do that.
Well, it did do that, but at the same time, it left it as a sort of ghost in the background, where we know they're working on something nuclear.
We don't know where they stand with it.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hello.
Hello.
Yeah, this is Michael from Indio, California.
How you doing tonight?
Okay, Michael.
How you doing, Mr. Bloom?
Hi, Michael.
How are you?
I'm doing fine.
And I do have a comment regarding the price of oil and its impact on the American economy.
I do believe it will be one of the worst economic relapses since the Great Depression, because the American economy is so addicted to oil, just like somebody addicted to a drug, may I suggest.
What I do believe is that if this price of oil continues to rise, let's say, five five fifty per gallon or even seven eight dollars a
gallon i hope not that the american economy may uh...
get into some kind of depression and uh... and i blamed uh... doyle companies for not investigating
that possible alternative fuel
because they were afraid it they will cost more money as well as they lose money
well i'm working with or or sitting with people who know the oil companies pretty
well and also having spent some time going in and out of the
office of the oil companies myself
um...
the general opinion was that the oil companies operate as if they were
branches of the saudi government not parts of our own country
um...
There's another problem here.
I mean, you've hit something very, very important, and that is we haven't had a great collapse, a real economic depression since 1929.
And in 1920, the Great Depression did not really happen in 1929.
All we had in 1929 was a stock market crash.
The Great Depression really began in 1931, when central banks began to collapse.
And each central bank, as it collapsed, called on other central banks for help.
The central banks that rushed in to help thought they were stable as all heck.
But the fact is, they collapsed too, and they sent out cries for help.
And eventually, the central banks all over the world had collapsed.
Well, we've been set for something like that for about 12 years, ever since the catastrophic collapses of the banks, or the almost catastrophic collapses of the banks in the Asian Tigers, a phrase we don't even remember anymore because those countries piled up such uncollectible loans.
We right now owe close to a trillion dollars.
I don't have the exact figure in front of me.
It's a staggering amount of money.
It's more than any country has ever, ever owed in the history of this planet.
Roughly 50% of that debt is owned by the Japanese, another 20% or so, or 30% is owned by the Chinese, and about 20% is owned by the Koreans.
And it has been pointed out that if those three countries decided to stop supporting us, if they lost their confidence in the dollar and pulled their money out of our country, the collapse would be on a scale that would make the The collapse of 1931 looked minuscule by comparison.
Right now, America is, to a certain extent, a house of cards.
We have fewer engineers per capita than any of the other major countries we're competing against.
We are not high on innovation.
Our school scores are very low.
We have a lot of endemic problems.
We have a lot of problems that are sitting in our system, just waiting to be triggered into action simultaneously.
You know, Howard, there was a time when the kind of collapse that you just talked about I thought was eminently possible.
I thought what might prevent it, though, would be America, of course, is a great consuming nation.
Right.
And any country that would yank, you know, pull back all its investment causing a collapse of the U.S.
would be cutting its own throat in a way.
But the world is changing very quickly and I'm not sure, I'm not certain that that's true anymore.
Well, I agree with you because here's what's happening.
Back in the days when I was in industry, when I was working with major corporations, If you had a European country, and let's say you were Germany, and you had an act like the Scorpions.
Remember the Scorpions, the heavy metal band?
Sure.
If the Scorpions made it big in Germany, you really weren't going to make that much money off of them.
The population of Germany was only roughly 40 million people.
If you could get France and England into the act, loving the Scorpions too, then you had a slightly larger market.
You were up to about 125 million people.
But in order to really score big and profit off of the Scorpions, you had to sell them in the market, the supermarket of the world, and that was the United States.
We had a population of 225 million people at that point.
Things have gone past us at this point.
We were the world's supermarket.
Now there's something new this world has never seen before.
Megamarkets.
There are megamarkets in China and in India.
In India, as of 10 years ago, according to one of my Indian friends, the total number of people in the middle class was 300 million people, more than the population of the United States.
When all of the Asian tigers were going through bank collapses in the course of the last 12 years, China was continuing to increase the size of its economy by 7 to 11 percent per year.
Why?
Because it had a domestic market.
of over a billion people.
Now, a billion people is not only four times the size of the population of the United States, it's also bigger than the entire population of humans on this planet in 1850.
Well, that's true.
They're, of course, not first-class consumers yet, but they're on their way.
They're getting there very fast, Art.
Yeah.
Once you have an interior market that can hold you up no matter what happens, then the rules change.
Right.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hi.
Hey there, Art.
Kevin Jack from California.
First time I've called, long-time listener, but I just had to call because I felt like this guy is just spewing forth kind of racist and very much wrong information about the whole situation in the Middle East.
Alright, when you say racist, what did he say that was racist in your opinion?
Well, I felt in terms of the kind of talk that he was doing about the Muslims and that they were planning on taking over the world.
If you go back through any of the, you can go back through the Jewish Bible, the Christian New Testament, the Bhagavad Gita, all sorts of different religious tests, they all tend to be very much Self-serving, and we're good, and the other guys are bad, and, you know, Joshua killing thousands of people in Jericho, etc.
But the stuff that he was talking about, and actually, to go to your question a bit, you asked a question about just how many Muslims are there out there who... No, no, no, I asked how many are radicalized, how many... Yeah, that's what I mean, that are part of a radical militant Muslimism, and... That's right.
A few months ago I heard a report on one of the stations that I believe was based on a Zogby poll that said it was actually a fairly small number, they estimated, worldwide anyway, 5-10%, probably about what you'd say in terms of fundamentalist Well actually I think that was Howard's estimate and then he quoted another one at 70% and we said probably somewhere in the middle of that.
I'm still not clear on where he made a racist comment so that he can respond.
Well I think just his whole portrayal of Islam as the people and Muslims as the people that are Promoting all the problems in the Middle East when I think when you look at it objectively you see that to a great extent most of the problems have been either caused by Israeli aggression or by Israeli and U.S.
supported aggression in the Middle East.
Aha.
All right.
I think we're clear on what you're saying now.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Let Howard respond.
Howard?
Well, first of all, I hate to be picky, but Islam is not a race.
Islam incorporates and is very proud of the fact that all the races are the same.
Sir, you've got to pause.
Look, you've had a lot to say.
Let him answer.
Second, when it comes to the problems of the Middle East, there are approximately 6 million people in Israel.
There are 300 million people.
In the Arab world of the Middle East, the amount of space that the Arabs have is similarly violently disproportional.
The amount of space when a hundred people are killed in Kashmir as part of an international jihad, when fifty people are killed in Bosnia, when a thousand people are killed in Algeria, and this is all part of a contiguous war.
It's seen this way by the Islamic world.
These are the boundaries of Dar al-Harb and Dar al-Islam.
The world, the community of Islam, Versus the House of War.
And the House of War is the name given to any country in which you live, rather than some people who believe in Islam.
Okay, that's a small group of radical... No, no, no!
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
You're talking about tiny little Israel.
Israel is a country that has arguably the fourth or fifth most powerful military in the world, largely thanks to the United States supplying it.
With the most advanced weaponry and the kind of money that Hezbollah could only dream of, Hezbollah gets about $100 million a year from Iran.
The United States gives $3.5 billion a year to Israel, and over the course of the last 40 years, we certainly have not been an honest broker in that part of the world.
We've given about $150 billion a year in military aid to Israel, and that is one of the root causes of why there
is so much resentment of the United States in that part of the world, as well as the
United States getting involved in overthrowing regimes such as Mossadegh in Iran, and such
as the situation in Iraq, where it's clearly done largely for support of Israel.
Well, there has been a world war going on for nearly 1400 years between the West and
Islam.
There have been events like the Battle of Lepanto in approximately 1500, where all of the nations, all of the Christian nations of the world organized their fleet to fight all of the combined fleet of all of Islam.
And it was one of the most monumental battles in history.
But you don't read about it in your schools.
Okay, but you probably don't know about it, and this is long before Israel existed.
Let's not go way too far off course here.
No, I'm not going off course at all.
If you read Othello by Shakespeare... No, wait, you could state there's been a war between the West going into... Stop talking for a minute, and give me a chance to speak, okay?
I gave you that chance.
Now, if you read Othello, you realize that one of the great preoccupations of this play is the fact that there is a continuous threat That the Turks, that means the Muslims, will overwhelm Europe and Christendom entirely.
There was, for a long, long period of time, roughly, well until about 1630 or 1700, meaning for approximately 900 years, Islamic ships were raiding the coasts of Ireland, the coasts of England, and the coasts of France, and taking entire towns as slaves.
And you don't know about it.
It's not in your books.
Because it's considered racist to put it in the books, but it's a fact.
This was a world war on a monumental scale.
It's been going on for a long time.
Israel was founded in 1948.
That is a very small speckle.
All right, Howard, hold tight.
Caller, you get the last word.
A very few seconds.
Go ahead.
Well, all right.
The end of the war between the West and the Muslims, the rest has been skirmishing was when Charles Martel defeated the Muslims.
Oh, that's so wrong, it's ridiculous.
Wait, wait, wait. The Ottoman Turks are just one group.
They've oppressed the Arabians, they've oppressed all sorts of people in the Muslim world.
This is just an internal squabble.
But the thing that's important here, I think, and what Art was talking about,
which is that if we don't stop...
The polar work.
Caller!
Listen!
Caller!
Caller!
No, he's not going to hold on.
We'll be right back.
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I'm Art Bell.
Hot stuff to be sure.
Tom in Cincinnati, Ohio probably echoes what the last caller was about to say and he says there is no war between the West and Islam except in Howard Bloom's mind.
In a moment, I suspect he'll want to respond to that.
That will be right back.
One of the items in the latest five minute summary of news from the Associated Press is as follows.
9-11 conspiracy theories persist, even thrive.
Kevin Barrett believes the U.S.
government might have destroyed the World Trade Center.
Stephen Jones is researching what he calls evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down by explosives detonated inside them, not by hijacked airliners.
Now these men are not uneducated junk scientists.
Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall over the protests of more than 60 state legislators.
Jones He's a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University, whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy theorists.
And there are many, many of those.
That, along with there is no war between the West and Islam, except in Howard Bloom's mind.
Howard, do you want to respond?
Well, there is an expert who can tell the tale much better than I can.
His name is Dr. Mohsen Faruqi, and his essay, called Europe Under Muslim Rule, Appeared on a site called Jamat Dawah.
Dawah means, let's convert people like you and me to the truth, which means Islam.
It's an Islamic website.
And it pointed out that Muslims from North Africa, this is a direct quote, Muslims from North Africa ravaged the coast of Spain, Italy, and France, and even occasionally of England and Ireland, devastating the cities and villages, and carrying away Boudian captives.
The city of Bristol in England used to be the main target.
The coast of Portugal, and then it gives dates, 1670, 1700, 1450, etc., etc., etc.
And then it says, with great glory, because this whole piece, the subtitle of this piece, is Dr. Mohsen Faruqi takes a look at the history of Muslim rule in Europe to remind the Muslim ummah of its glorious past.
And he says, the terror of Muslim invaders hung over Europe for centuries.
And he isn't talking about the days before Charles Martel.
He's talking almost exclusively About the days after Charles Motel and the word terror, he uses with great pride, with great pride, that Europe was terrified in the days of Martin Luther.
Martin Luther was forced to write an essay about Islam because Europe was afraid that European civilization and Christian civilization was about to be extinguished.
The Muslim imperialists Have been so successful in dominating such an enormous swath of the world that England thought it's or that rather Europe felt its days were numbered.
That is a long time after Charles Martel.
Alright, and on the 9-11 conspiracy people that the U.S.
destroyed its own World Trade Center's buildings, you want to comment on that?
It is a growing... I'm certainly not in that camp, and my audience knows damn well I'm not in that camp, never have been, but it does seem to be growing in popularity, and here it is in the mainstream press.
You want to comment?
Well, you know, humans and all animals Love control.
They need a sense of control over their own lives and their own destiny.
Take it away from lab rats, which you can do, we could describe how, and the lab rats will begin to shrivel up and die.
It is hard to imagine that you have any control if, in fact, there is a giant 13,500 mile wide Islamic empire that is facing you.
Because you can't control that.
It's bigger than you are.
But if you can imagine that the people next door That the people in your own country pulled off something like the World Trade Towers attack.
Then suddenly you have your finger over a button that gives you control.
Why?
Because these are local people.
That's a very interesting point of view on that.
I appreciate that.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, this is George from the Apollo area.
Hello, George.
You were asking about a You know, the force of ideas.
And you were looking for using the outer space powering source, and I thought maybe I could mention to you about inner space powering for your crafting a device based on experience.
And what I wanted to mention to you is that if you take any spinning device, brass or otherwise, and go to 2000 revolutions, You can measure a potential drop from the center out to a peripheral or a dimensional from the center.
Right.
Which winds up with an electromagnetic field.
Right.
Colin, you're absolutely correct, but the power, the energy is something that they can just barely even detect.
They can barely even measure, so it's nowhere near being a viable anything.
No, what I wanted to do is to say that is the interspace, so to speak, powering, but now I took that and was able to do counterfields at high revolutions.
They kind of sustained themselves, which then you take the power to feed and control it.
After that, you wind up with an electro-magnetic plasma in the area and you wind up with a craft that will Actually be anti-gravity and it floats and I did it!
See, so I'm telling you the reality.
Listen to me, I appreciate your thought.
Send me a plan.
Send me a workable model.
I've said this for years.
Everybody's always talking about this sort of thing and over unity and so for years I've said send me a toy.
Send me a little toy that runs around endlessly, generating and regenerating its own power.
If I can see so much as a toy, I'll be on your side.
I'll help you sell it.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hi.
Good morning, Art and Howard.
This is Bernie from Avon Lake, Ohio.
How are you this morning?
Hi, Bernie.
I called in reference to what Art was asking in the earlier part of the program.
What you felt about God in the Middle East.
And I wanted to put forth that God was with Joshua when he went into the Holy Land.
I wanted to put forth that he was with David when he got rid of Goliath.
God was with Israel when he brought the State of Israel back into existence like he promised that he would.
When in the Seven Day War, against odds that were superior, that the Israeli army was triumphant.
You're trying to make a case, sir, for God to an atheist.
Well, all I can tell you is this.
If there is a God, He exists in every atom and molecule of your being.
If there is a God, then every defeat is a challenge thrown at you by God.
Look, I was stuck in bed for 15 years the first four years or so that Art and I were talking.
We were speaking from a bed.
One night I was so sick I could barely hold onto the phone, and Art said, Oh my God, we shouldn't have booked you for tonight.
And we did four hours, Art, that night, with my teeth practically chattering.
The point is that Whether there is a God or not, the fact is, it's up to us to look at every single situation we're tossed as a challenge, every single difficulty as something we have to be able to overcome.
If we're doing it, if God is indeed within us, if God has indeed made us, then we are doing that on God's behalf.
All right.
International Line, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hi.
Hello.
Hi.
Yes, hello.
Yeah.
Mr. Ball?
Hi.
Hi.
I have a question for Mr. Bloom.
Right.
Yes.
Yes.
I was just wondering, he was, I think, overlooked about the Christianity impact on the Judaism and how they've been harassed, actually understatement, have been massacred during World War II.
It's a good point.
It's a very, very good point.
And we both know, I'm sure this is part of your question, that there are many points in history at which the Jews have been far more welcome in Muslim lands than they have been in Christian lands.
It's been tough going for the Jews.
How the Jews became the universal scapegoat, so universal that even in Japan, anti-Semitic books sell in the millions, and they don't even have any Jews in Japan.
Most of the people don't even know what one looks like.
Is really a phenomena we'd have to discuss some other time, but it is very peculiar that one people has accumulated... I mean, humans need someone to hate.
It's an unfortunate fact of human existence.
Humans need someone to blame.
And for approximately 2,100 years since anti-Semitism was born in Egypt, even before the expulsion of the Jews from Israel, the Jews have been the chosen people They control the press, they control banking, they created all of the world wars, and according to a lot of the propaganda literature from the Islamic groups that united all of the major Islamic countries back in the 1940s and 1950s, the Jews even created Hitler.
Yeah, maybe we do need another planet.
First Time Caller Live, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, hello.
Hi, this is Todd from Pennsylvania.
Hi, I just have a question about the vehicles that we can use ethanol fuel in.
How can we find out which vehicles that is?
You can go on my website for one thing and go down, that's howardbloom.net and on the left hand side is a table of contents of the stuff that's on the site.
Go down toward the bottom and it'll give you a chart that was accurate up to about four months ago.
You can go outside, lift the lid over your gas cap and look underneath to see if there is a decal underneath.
The decal will tell you Uh, if you have a flex-fuel vehicle already.
And when you go to a dealership, you can ask whether it's a flex-fuel vehicle.
Okay.
Uh, Wildcard Line, your turn with Howard Bloom.
Hi.
Hi, how are you doing?
Hi.
Okay.
Um, I've, uh, my question is, first off, I'd like to say that, uh, you know, listening to all the shows, Nori and yourself, Mr. Bell, uh, I don't particularly care for any of the ideas as far as cars, fuel, or, Getting electricity.
But the one question I do have is, whatever happened to non-resistant materials?
Now, what are non-resistant materials?
You don't know about them?
No.
No, I must confess to ignorance.
Well, non-resistant materials are materials that they make at extremely low temperatures.
Superconductors?
Yeah.
Superconductors?
You may call it superconductors, but it's a non-resistant material.
It's a material they can make at very low temperatures.
The answer to the question is... They're using it in some medical equipment.
They're having a lot of problems in scaling it up the way that they thought they'd be able to scale it up in the late 1980s.
Because it turns out electrons don't really want to move the way that theoretically they're supposed to move.
Well, they can, Howard, they can achieve it at very low temperatures.
The problem has been getting something like that to function at what we consider room temperature.
Well, and also, remember, we thought that we would get long-distance transmission lines that would be free of any, let's call it friction, any resistance.
And we haven't gotten that far because, again, the electrons like to go in little swirls.
They keep going off like the tide pools, like the whirlpools in a pond.
And that's kept us from using them except in limited applications.
So you can't write that the low temperature is one of the problems.
We have to maintain them at very low temperatures.
But the other one is this fact that electrons like to twist in little spirals.
Well, they get rather orderly at low temperatures, but again, the problem is we've not come up with anything that approaches room temperature.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hi, Mr. Bloom.
Hi.
Hi, yes, sir.
I'm just calling to defend you on that whole Middle East-Iraqi thing where, you know, they hate us and they want to take over the world.
It is so true.
You know, I spent a year in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, just recently in Iraq, and they're passing out papers.
Basically saying, kill the American, you know, Christian infidels, and they're going to pay $5,000, you know, for each American you kill.
Right.
You are absolutely right.
I don't know why all these people are calling and saying what they're saying.
If they don't know what's going on, then they're just so out of it.
Well, it's considered racist to publish any of the experiences that you've had, and that's one of the reasons that none of us get to read about it.
But also, remember, these people Osama Bin Laden, I've said this before when I've been on with Art, but Osama Bin Laden is one of the greatest idealists in the world.
He wants to liberate you and me so that we can live in truth and justice.
And truth and justice is living under the laws that are in the Quran.
You're absolutely right.
It's just ridiculous for people to think it's racist and not to open their eyes and know the actual truth.
I'm just calling to defend you on that.
Well, thanks for the words of support.
They mean a lot.
Okay, take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hi.
Yeah, hi, Art.
It's a pleasure to speak to you.
Howard, right to the point of where I was going, corporations that are sponsoring this Energy from Space, can you name some of the corporations that are... None of them are yet.
None of them are yet.
No corporations.
So, no corporations at all.
And so we have to start from the get-go with this, even though the idea has been around for over 30 years.
We're starting from a cold start.
There's a lot of technology.
That's a fact.
There really is nobody sponsoring all of this yet.
And that, of course, is one of the problems.
And it might be part of the solution.
If we could get somebody on board, somebody really big on board in the private sector, then maybe.
I think you've got a very good idea.
And one of the people who is potential, because I haven't talked to him about this, is Bob Bigelow, because his inflatable structures, you can make inflatable... Have you ever seen an inflatable kite?
The ribs inflate.
We have, yes.
Okay.
Now imagine putting up a giant solar kite.
You'd need very little air to fill very narrow inflatable ribs in space, all made of amorphous semiconductor.
That is, all made of the kind of solar panel that is like a thin film.
And you'd have a giant solar platform done in the Bob Bigelow way.
It could be folded up and then simply inflated.
There you are.
All right.
You're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes?
My name is Charles.
I'm from Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
Hi, Charles.
Yes, Charles.
I just called to say that I believe every shuttle, every NASA mission that goes up brings back some benefit to humanity.
Okay.
Well, I think we both agree with you.
Yes, indeed.
Wholeheartedly.
Uh, it's just that there's not enough of them going up.
That's the problem.
First time on our line, you're on the air with Howard Bloom.
Hello?
Hello, this is Miles from Wisconsin.
Yes, sir.
I heard you all talking earlier about the lack of interest that common people have in outer space.
And I was just kind of wondering a couple things.
One, if there is a conspiracy to hide the existence of extraterrestrials, why wouldn't those people trying to hide it want NASA to be some unimaginative vision of old Apollo reruns.
And it also makes me wonder about friends of yours who are trying to take regular old civilians with enough
money into space.
If there is a conspiracy, why would people be allowed to do that?
I'll listen to your answer, Ophir, and I think you guys are doing a great job.
Okay, thank you.
A little confusing, the question, but I don't think there's a conspiracy.
i don't think we're trying to do a cover-up on alien abductions I think that the reason that no one has opposed Dennis Tito spending $20 million to go up on a Soyuz rocket via a company called Space Adventures here in the United States is precisely because there is no conspiracy.
We simply have dunder... sometimes humans are dunder-headed.
And right now NASA is being uncreative.
Okay, Howard, quickly, very quickly, because we're about out of time, plug your book.
Oh, the books, okay.
The Lucifer Principle, a scientific expedition into the forces of history which will describe to you an awful lot of the mechanisms behind the kinds of wars, hatreds, and even J.C., the caller we were talking about, and global brain, the evolution of mass mind from the Big Bang to the 21st century.
Anything that can explain J.C.
has got to be read.
All right, my friend.
Listen, you have a great brain.
You take care.
All right.
Have a good night.
We'll see you later.
All right.
That's Howard Bloom, folks.
The incredible Howard Bloom.
And I will be back.
It has been my pleasure to be with you throughout the weekend.
I'll be back for next weekend.
We'll have more explorations into the known and the unknown.
So from the land of 7,107 islands of the Philippines, I'm Art Bell.
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