Albert Taylor, a former NASA employee turned paranormal researcher, shares verified out-of-body experiences (OBEs) like visiting a doctor’s home while paralyzed—matching details such as her husband’s sleep apnea and a white heating pad—then confirming a friend’s death two months later via his widow. He describes astral attacks, including bite marks on a 15-year-old girl and an 82-year-old woman in Tustin, stopped by sage rituals in 80% of cases. OBEs, he says, allow "super consciousness" access to past/future events but warns against future exploration after witnessing his marriage’s collapse. Fear amplifies perceptions during sleep paralysis, a "mini-death," though controlled techniques like waking at 1:30 a.m. can induce safe experiences. Callers recount spontaneous OBEs, emotional connections with loved ones, and precognitive dreams, while Taylor links these to Robert Monroe’s inspect entities and a gradual shift toward spiritual awareness, hinting at a potential "heaven on earth." [Automatically generated summary]
My my my kitty cats are great and I spend a great deal of time with them, but they fail to seem to enjoy television shows with me.
Or for that matter anything else.
Well, except the snap of the opening of a can of cat food.
That they know.
Anyway, good evening, everybody.
It's going to be a fun night.
Scott Flansberg is here.
And Scott is the human calculator.
You may have seen him all over the place.
I mean, he's been everywhere.
He's been on Howard Stern.
That's when you know you've been everywhere.
And Jay Leno and Dateline and ABC's Good Morning America and 700 Club and Primetime American Regions and Kathy Lee and CNN, Day Watch, and, you know.
All of them.
And, of course, the ESPN World Series of Poker.
Now, that's where I saw Scott.
On the World Series of Poker.
I'm a big fan of the World Series of Poker.
God, it's intense.
It really is intense.
And that's where I saw Scott.
So in a moment, we're going to interview the human calculator, a man who can just astound you.
And I know you've probably seen him in one of these venues, so I don't know that I'm going to concentrate so much on having him do stuff because I know he can do it.
more interested in how and how it began and all that kind of stuff in a moment.
Well, if I would have met you or interviewed with you years ago, I would have just told you that I had all kinds of shortcuts and tricks and ideas on how to make mental math fun and easy.
And that's what I was selling for years.
And a few years ago, I had an epiphany about numbers, and the secret of numbers revealed itself to me.
I appreciate the opportunity to show you that I can teach you or anybody in less than one minute how to turn on the calculator in your brain that's always been there that we just didn't know how to turn on the power button.
Okay, if I'm a human calculator, and when I'm speaking to you as a human, I'm using the English language, and I have to use the 26 letters of the alphabet, A through Z. And when I'm speaking to you as a calculator, I'm using the 10 digits 0 through 9.
And if you had a calculator, if you turned it on, the first thing that shows up is a 0.
And a calculator is wired to start at 0.
And that's what allows it to do what it does.
And the human mind is wired to start thinking about numbers at 1.
We all count our fingers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
We're just sort of wired that way.
But now that you know that the first digit is 0, and the 10 digits are 0 through 9, 9 is the biggest single digit.
And the secret is just every number you see, Art, will go down to 9.
So like everybody listening to your show right now, if they would just think of their age, how many years old they are, just the two-digit number, add those digits together, and now take that total and subtract it from your age.
And everyone should get an answer that adds up to the number 9.
So for example, I'm 42, so I did 4 plus 2 is 6, and 42 minus 6 is 36.
And that answer, 36, adds up to 9.
And what it is, R, is that it's a checker for the human brain to tell you if you're right or wrong.
So now you don't need a calculator or a teacher to tell you you're wrong.
When you need to know what 1 plus 1 is, instead of using your memory, you can logically figure out the answer because the number 11 was designed to teach you 1 plus 1.
There's a 1 and a 1 there for the number 11, and you just add them up and you get 2.
11 minus 2 is 9, and that tells you that everything's okay.
And you can't make a mistake.
If tonight you're tired and you think 1 plus 1 is 3, you would do 11 minus 3, and that's not 9.
See, I don't care how much the epiphany says nine.
The average person is not going to be able to do that.
Now, obviously, there's something different about your brain.
So my first question is, have they taken you in for, I don't know, MRIs, CAT scans, whatever might look at your brain, and try and figure out what's Cattywampus?
Yeah, Discovery Channel has a show called More Than Human, and they took me to the UCLA Neurobiological Research Center and hooked my brain up to a computer and all the little fuzzies coming out of it and attached on.
And he had me do my world record, and the only problem was that my mouth was moving, and it was actually messing up the readings because of the side movement.
So he said, okay, Scott, this time I'm going to pick a number and say it out loud, and I just want you to count by it, but just do it in your head.
Don't say it out loud.
And he said a number, and it just lit up.
And it showed that my entire brain just gets so focused, it's like a laser.
As soon as you said 61, I can just see a path of 61 through the number line.
Well, you know, when you sell books about mental math, you know, you're not making a killing either.
It's not the big hot topic.
So it's a challenge.
But I made a commitment 18 years ago when I got out of the Air Force on 8888 and I said, you know, I'm going to give this thing a shot and see if I can do this without taking money from kids or schools.
Yeah, well, I don't want to murder your book sales at all, but I just, you know, I'm stuck on this thought that not everybody by a long shot can do what you're doing.
And you have some, you know, obviously special wiring in your brain.
You know, and if we could figure out how you do what you do and we could begin to change the human brain, my God, we could change the world, I guess.
I feel the same way, Art, and that's my goal and my mission.
And I'm using this gift not to impress people with what I can do, but I really feel like my gift is that I can share my insights and numbers to people in a very simple way that allows them an opportunity to at least have a positive experience with numbers to get them started in the right direction.
And I believe I'm developing the tools now to show people a way to see numbers.
Like we've had the wrong prescription lenses.
We're off by one.
And now we're going to get the right prescription lenses to see numbers clearly.
In other words, I would think that with the way you are, numbers would be, in some ways, a burden because you'd be seeing them constantly, doing math constantly.
I remember learning the Morse code.
It was when I was a youngster, 13 years old.
But still to this very day, I tap out the Morse code when I see billboards and signs.
The human mind is capable of things that, well, produce wonderment in the average person, certainly in me.
Absolute wonderment.
And so when we talk about the minds being capable of so many things that to us seem, I don't know, magical or just impossible, we ascribe things to mass human consciousness and all the rest of it.
Think of it, folks.
Scott can do this.
Now, okay, he's a savant of sorts, no question about it, but that means the brain can do it.
So the brain is capable of so much more, so much more that to us, as we look at it and listen to people like Scott, and baby, it's magic.
So, Scott, as I mentioned, on this program, we deal all the time with things that the human mind can do that seem to be, to the audience, to me, like magic.
I mean, really, truly like magic, like leaving your body with nothing more than your brain and appearing elsewhere.
I'll talk to Albert Taylor about that in the next hour.
Or any number of other, this whole new mass consciousness thing that's going on.
In fact, I may want you to comment for me on that a little bit.
Do you have any thoughts on consciousness itself?
What it really is, Scott, and whether the human mind has the ability to, with many other minds, essentially move mountains.
Yes, and I believe there's two states, there's time and there's timeless.
And we've all experienced timeless moments that just seemed extremely natural, almost beyond definition or explanation.
And then there's time where we're grinding it out in time.
And what you say is magical to me is mathematical.
Like I'm also known as the human calendar.
You can give me any date, you know, like if you want, pick a date that's significant in your life that you might remember, or just a random date if you want, but just tell me the month, day, and the year, and I can calculate what day of the week that that was on.
You know, 2012 is a fascinating date, and they didn't say 2012.
They actually said a date that's equivalent to 2012.
A lot of people think they said December 21st, 2012, but they said the date that we know is December 21st, 2012.
But I do.
I think there's something very mystical about it in that I think that is going to be when we consider changing calendars to use this new calendar that makes perfect mathematical sense so that everyone on the planet would know what day of the week every date was on and be able to count time in a very simple way as compared to the way that we organize time now.
Well, and if you do the math art, take 2012, December 21st, 2012, and add in from that date what the Bible calls the apocalypse, the Revelation, you know, the apocalypse thing.
I think anything to help people think numbers are cool.
You know, I'm doing a campaign.
I'm starting an event this fall that's called the National Counting Bee.
And it's just like the National Spelling Bee, except we're going to find the fastest kid counter in America every year.
And it's strictly, it's designed to get kids excited about math, to feel like math leads, and to be rewarded for excellence in math just like kids are for spelling and science and other skills.
With all your understanding of numbers, I have to ask, you know, people will say, okay, all right, you were born on this date, and this gal was born on this date, and so you'll either be compatible or you'll not be.
There's a small n numerology and a capital N numerology.
And small n numerology is the study of numbers and language, which, you know, the Gematria or Gematria as people know it is the Hebrew letters were also numbers.
So every word is also a number, and the Greeks did that as well.
The Romans is sort of an example of the IVX thing.
But we don't do that with ABC.
We just don't associate numbers and letters that way.
Yeah, my book is Math Magic and also Math Magic for Kids.
And it's a national bestseller.
It's been out there for 10 years.
And I just redid it with that new 0 through 9, and I called it Chapter 0 to show people that 0 counts.
And that just got re-released.
And I also have the calendar, is the Human Calendar.
And people can download that for free, Art.
Anybody can go to thehumancalendar.com and download it for free just to see what it would be like to experience time where it makes perfect sense to the human mind and the human body.
And my DVD and workbooks are free.
They have to pay for shipping it.
But I just want to get the ideas out there, Art.
I really, you know, I'm getting old.
I'm already over 40 now.
And I've got to make sure that this 0 through 9 gets out there.
And I've only got seven years left before December 21st, 2012.
And that's only a little time to convince people that there's a better way to keep track of time with a calendar.
So it's a fun project for me.
And the National Accounting Bee will take me around the country and give me a chance to have a platform to promote people getting more comfortable with numbers in everyday life and these ideas out there.
You know, theoretical physicists, Scott, are looking for this formula that may be no longer than your thumb, they say, or it may be, that represents the theory of everything.
You know, Einstein was chasing it, and modern physicists are chasing it.
Is there anything that you can tell me as you look down long lines of numbers that amounts to a real revelation for everybody?
I just set my world record for my counting skills at 36, and nobody could beat that.
I met the multiplication king, the guy from Germany who can multiply two eight-digit numbers together in less than 30 seconds, which is no big deal to most people, but it's mind-boggling because I was there, knew what he was doing.
And the other thing we had was a human calendar contest.
There was about a half dozen of us that could all calculate the days of the week instantly.
And so to have six people lined up and a judge yell out a date and six people yell out the date, and the girl was part of that, too.
It was just fascinating, and we learned so much about each other, about how we see numbers and why we think the way we do.
And I introduced the nine thing to everybody from every country, and they all took it back with them, and none of them have sent me anything to show me documentation that had existed there before.
So I can't explain it, but I feel like I have an opportunity to really help people see numbers in a clear way.
And all these guys sat down, we went through all this stuff together, and now they're helping me disseminate that around the world.
So I don't know if it's going to make all the difference in the world art, but I can tell you when I leave a school visiting kids and I see 30 kids or 300 kids get excited about math and be able to add a small column of numbers in their head and look at numbers in a fun way and not be afraid, I really feel like that's going to open up doors that we cannot comprehend or calculate because which one of those kids is going to be awoken or inspired to maybe cure cancer?
You know, it's incalculable.
So it's a blast to go in there every day and see these kids get the light bulb go off in their brain for one more thing.
I mean, just like religion, it seems like all we think about doing is trying to figure out how to avoid death or overcome it or delay it or make it not exist.
Yeah, if only.
So I don't know what that means, but I feel like when you ask me to do calculations, when I do these things, I go into a timeless state where time doesn't count.
And that's why I do it so fast.
To me, it feels like I'm taking forever, a couple seconds.
Sometimes, but I can also, you know, I was in a golf tournament and a kid asked me to count by some number, and I teed up my ball and hit an eight-iron within a foot of the hole the entire time counting by a number.
So I was learning at the same time.
I didn't know if I could do it or not, but it worked out.
Well, that almost sounds like it's something that you can do with just part of your brain, a kind of a multitasking deal, where you can do that and concentrate on something else at the same time.
Okay, so would you describe what you do as you have to concentrate or, in fact, you can be, as we just mentioned, sort of doing something else and thinking about something else or concentrating on hitting a ball and do every bit as good a job?
Al quit his NASA job to write and promote what became as the number one LA Times best-selling book.
It's called Soul Traveler.
Al was a crew chief for the ultra-secret U-2 planes earlier in his career, was part of the stealth program, and was just recently one of the engineers responsible for some of the design of the U.S. space station.
So again, the very last person in the world you would expect to be doing what he's doing.
You know, Art, I have something I need to share with you because sometimes we do things in people's lives and we aren't aware that we've created miracles in people's lives.
And I want to share a brief story with you to kind of let you know some things maybe that you weren't aware of.
Back in 1996, when I did quit my job on the space station, I decided to start my own publishing company.
And the first product was, of course, my self-published version of Soul Traveler.
Well, shortly after that, I got some really bad news from my distributor who went bankrupt with about $100,000 of my money.
And that was all my money I needed to pay bills and really support myself.
A couple months after that, I was literally sitting on the edge of my bed at 2 o'clock in the morning with an eviction notice in my hand with a repo man.
The repo man was looking for my car, and all my utilities in my house were going to be cut off in about a week.
But because of my spiritual experiences I've had, I said a prayer.
I said, you know, I really thought you wanted me to do this, and if you really do want me to do this, I need a miracle.
I went to bed, and I woke up the next morning, and I decided to check my email account, which on AOL.
And after sifting through, there was an email in there from a gentleman who said his name was Art Bell.
And he said, please call me.
And I opened up the email and there was a number in there and I called.
Between you and Daniel supporting me all these years in my book, you changed my life, and I'm deeply indebted to you, and I'm very, very grateful, and thank you very much.
Well, I have to come from my experience and having these out-of-body experiences because I believe truly that it is independent of the physical body because I have traveled out of the body so many times and I consciously control where I've been going and have been places and verified it later on.
So I believe, like the title of my book, maybe that is truly what the soul is.
Maybe that consciousness and everything that we are is that mind and that consciousness.
So maybe it is the soul.
And that's the best way I can understand it and it makes sense to me.
Yeah, it seems to be independent of the physical body.
And you don't lose your humor and your sense of humor and your fears and your ability to love.
And everything that you are travels beyond your physical body.
So maybe that's what it is.
You know, I remember when I was in Catholic school, you know, they used to say the soul was something that you had and like you carried around like a tennis ball in your pocket and you could drop it and get it dirty periodically.
Then you have to take it to a priest and get it clean.
But I really feel that it's not something you have.
Well, it wasn't easy because I would say that when I first started letting people know that I was going to write a book regarding these experiences and on the space station, I had this little phrase that they would either run to me or run from me.
And that was literally what would happen sometimes, is I would walk down the hallways in a different subcontract or a Johnson Space Center or wherever, and the people that knew me prior to me revealing this about myself would literally step to the other side of the hallway and walk right past me without looking at me.
Yeah, they would have thought I had some kind of mental problem that would have opened me to the, they would have been worried about me being blackmailing and revealing secrets and a host of other things that would have probably jeopardized that.
And believe me, coming out with this was not an easy thing.
I really labored over it emotionally for two months before the book hit.
And finally, I made up my mind.
I talked to a gentleman and he said, it sounds like it's more of a responsibility that you have to put this information out rather than desire.
Well, they told me I had to go to Johnson Space Center for about four months to finish up some work.
And at the same time, my book was going to be released.
So I had to make the decision on whether I was going to stay and promote the book and everything that I've been doing or whether to go on and continue to do my job and let the book fall by the wayside.
And I finally made my decision that I was going to leave.
And they were kind enough to keep me from quitting.
They said, well, we'll just go ahead and lay you off so that way you can collect unemployment.
And that was nice.
And that's what I did is I let them lay me off.
And I tell you, already was probably the scariest thing I've ever done in my life.
Because in aerospace, you know, every Friday, whether you do work or not, you pull a little handle and the check pops out.
You really don't have to worry about it.
And now, all of a sudden, I really didn't know if the book was going to sell.
I'd never written anything before like that, only technical manuals.
So it probably was the scariest thing I've ever done in my life.
And because my family is very superstitious, when I would finally, when I was able to move and jump out of my bed, I would go running into my grandmother's room, who stayed with us at the time.
And I would say, grandma, grandma, I was paralyzed and I couldn't move.
And there was somebody calling my name.
And my grandmother, God bless her soul, she would say, well, that's because a witch was coming to steal your soul.
Needless to say, I'd go back to bed, terrified, staring at the ceiling, covering myself up with the blankets, you know, and stay up all night long because of this phenomenon.
And that was the explanation of it.
They'd call it the witches arriving you or the hains.
And that's something that my family's from the south in New Orleans.
And that was pretty much the accepted norm for this phenomenon.
In other words, give me, you've done it in the past.
We'll let history repeat itself, Albert.
Give me the, if I were to ask you for the best proof that you've got that OBEs are real, and when I say proof, I mean external confirmation by somebody or whatever, the best cases you can give me that prove that this is true.
Well, you know, and that was important to me to prove it because without these two experiences that I think were extremely important, I would have thought, well, maybe it's just a lucid dream.
Well, one time I was attending this class at the local college out here in Southern California, and the class was being taught by a doctor who had had a near-death experience.
And during the middle of the class, she said, has anybody ever felt paralyzed?
And outside of my family, no one had ever asked me that.
So I immediately raised my hand and she said, I think, and she was the first person that said this to me, I think you're on the verge or you've been having out-of-body experiences.
And I have to admit, I laughed at her because I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard.
And she said, you can't tell me what you don't know.
And I said, well, it happens to me almost three times a night sometimes.
She said, the next time it happens, I want you to think about seeing me and come to see me.
And I thought, okay, it probably happened tonight.
I'll try that.
So, of course, that night, I found myself paralyzed.
I found myself floating up out of my body.
I could see the room.
And I thought about it.
I thought, okay, I want to see the doctor.
And the strangest thing happened is all of a sudden I felt two hands grab me and kind of push me toward the window.
The next thing I knew, I was flying like I had done so many times before, but never from consciousness all the way to this experience.
I traveled faster than I had ever traveled in my memory.
I could go higher and faster than I'd ever done.
Then finally, I was being drawn to this house that I'd never been to.
I kind of entered through the ceiling and literally saw all the wiring and insulation in the attic.
And then I found myself standing at the foot of this bed, and in the bed appeared to be the woman that I wanted to see, the doctor.
And that's when, even then, I was still skeptical, but it started leaning me into the direction of thinking, oh my God, maybe this is real.
And if it is real, what is it?
What part of us is doing this?
And How come we humans can do this kind of amazing thing?
And that was the beginning of me venturing in and verifying my experiences and slowly coming to the realization that the soul is capable of temporarily leaving the body.
The second one was, by this time, I thought, well, I mentioned to a friend of mine at the space station division, and she was a metaphysician at that time.
I didn't know what that was.
I'd never heard of it because, you know, I was Catholic.
And she said, well, you know, I think you're having, you're astrally projecting.
And I didn't know what astral projection was.
I thought it was astral like the dog on the Jetsons.
I had no idea what that meant.
And she said, you can leave your body and visit people.
I said, well, I think I had an experience with this doctor.
But she said, I tell you what, next time, come visit me.
And I thought, okay.
So the same sequence of events happened before.
I floated out of the body.
I made my request.
I want to see my friend.
And the next thing I had, these hands grabbed me the same way, push-pull me through the air.
I ended up, the location I ended up in was this apartment in a dining room.
And I looked around, and the first thing I noticed was that in the dining room, there was this humongous chandelier.
I mean, it dwarfed the dining room, and it literally didn't look like it belonged.
And I thought, okay, that's a good thing to remember.
Then I moved down the hallway, and there was the last door on the right.
I moved into that bedroom, and the strangest thing is that normally when you have twin beds in a room, the window is in the center, and the twin beds on either side.
But this window was in the corner of the room.
And I thought, well, that's kind of strange.
And I looked out the window, and half of it was blocked by a telephone pole.
And then I looked out, and I could see the alleyway below and an apartment building across the way.
So I returned exactly the way I did on the night that I saw the doctor.
Literally was slammed in my body again or under the bed, jumped up and wrote all this down.
Well, when I went to work, I got a chance to see my friend, and I said, you know, I think I had another one of those lucid dream-like experiences.
But I said, I ended up in this dining room with this humongous chandelier.
And she said, you know, I bought that chandelier.
I bought this huge chandelier at a swap meet, and it's really too big for my dining room.
But I couldn't bear to let it sit in the box and get dusty, so I decided to hang it up.
And I thought, well, okay, that's an interesting coincidence.
Then I said, I went down to this room, the third one on the right, and I went in, and it had a really odd window in the corner.
And she said, before I could even tell her anymore, she said, I don't, she said, that's the strangest room in my apartment.
I don't know why they put the window in the corner, because you can't see out of it very well because half of it is blocked by a telephone pole.
Bill, well, first of all, Bill is a good friend of mine, and I saw him on the other side, and the first thing I said to him, because you don't really speak like I'm speaking to you, it's more like a thought form or kind of like mental telepathy or something like that.
But you feel it, but it's very natural, and it doesn't, not something you have to, you know, try and do, or that's different from speaking now.
But I said, what are you doing here?
And I didn't know you could do this.
And he said, I passed away.
I died.
And I was like, I was really skeptical.
And sometimes I still challenge my experiences because you have to be very focused in thought because it's still, it could have some dream material come in there and contaminate your out-of-body experience.
So that was, you know, I can't, if these experiences aren't real, I can't explain how come I knew these things and how come I had experiences telling me this, giving me this information.
Well, in Catholicsville, they always told us we had a guardian angel.
Well, a friend of mine said that this being that I kept encountering and kept touching me is more of a guide.
Well, that's a belief system.
Both of those are belief systems.
But through my experiences, and I hate to just jump ahead because it sounds really incredible, but through my experiences, what I found out is that each and every one of us, you can call it a guide, you can call it a guardian angel, you can call it whatever you want because it's still going to perform the same job.
But each and every one of us has this higher aspect of ourselves.
Robert Monroe called it an inspect entity, which means intelligent species, and his definition was a more advanced version of himself.
Each and every one of us has this more advanced version of ourselves that's looking out for us in every aspect of the world, even trying to influence us to do certain things, or the right thing, I should say, when we're in our physical bodies.
Sometimes You may call it intuition.
So every one of us has this thing that's looking out for us.
And if you really think about it, Art, what better guide or guardian angel or higher self to have or something looking out for you than a more advanced version of yourself?
Well, that's when you get into another thing factor that I never believed in, and that's when you have to look at whether this is the only life that we live.
And if it isn't, which I have a lot of experiences that I've written about that I truly believe this isn't, then this is just one drop in the bucket, so to speak.
Like, let's say, for instance, I'm talking about reincarnation, basically.
Let's just say that we've lived 100 times before, and this is our 100th life.
Well, life and death really doesn't have as much of a meaning or a permanency as we think it does if this is just one out of a hundred times that we've lived.
Really what matters is the life experience that we have and what we've learned that we will take to the next life.
So there is a given time period that we all agree to spend here on Earth, and when that time period is up, then, I mean, be it trauma, unfortunately, or just dying in our sleep, that time is over, but we don't cease to exist.
Our consciousness goes on.
And one of the things I think is really one of the most interesting proofs of that is I've been a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies for like 15 years now.
And in the near-death experience, one of the things that I think is a clue that we go on is you have a panoramic past-life review, which basically you get to feel and see how everyone you've met in your life is affected.
Well, why would we have that panoramic past-life review if we're never going to come back and be able to learn from that experience?
So I think that's a clue that we come back.
And if that is a clue, then, you know, what happens to us in this physical life, even though it's traumatic and sad and pulls at our heartstrings in so many different ways, if it's only one of many, then it's not as important as we may think it is.
Sometimes we do things and we don't know why we want to do things.
Sometimes when you can go through a regression, which I've been through through hypnosis, and you draw up all these memories of things that you never knew existed.
So I believe that they may be subconscious, but I do believe that there's an aspect of them that is definitely influencing us.
I mean, Daniel cracks me up because I totally related with what he said is the first time I saw my physical body laying there, the first thing that popped in my head was I thought I was a lot better looking than that.
You know that you are independent of it, and it just doesn't have the luster that it had when you were staring in the mirror in the bathroom that morning.
And people sharing with me parts of my story, things that I'd already experienced, and then other parts of my story, parts of their story that I hadn't experienced.
And I think that one of the most interesting things that somebody shared with me is you calling me from Paris, telling me about the experience you had.
I think the most wonderful thing about it is, Art is you ceased to be a bystander and became an experiencer.
And there aren't that many talk show hosts who are experiencers.
So now you're coming from two different perspectives.
First, you were kind of skeptical, as you should have been.
But now, after you have experienced it, no matter how long you live, no matter how much time goes by, you will always remember that experience and you will remember that it happened to you.
One of the things I have to say this, Art, and I understand your skepticism because I was, even after a marathon of experiences, I was extremely skeptical.
But one of the things I have to say is I've had many, many, many dreams in my life as have you.
But out of all the dreams I've had in my life, none of them stand out like the experience I had in the out-of-body experience.
It is really different.
It's extremely exhilarating.
It's unlike any type of dream that I've ever had.
And why would that be?
If it were just a dream or even a lucid dream, why would it be something so profound and affect me in so many ways if it was just like anything that I've been experiencing since I've been on this planet?
You said when you were, for example, in the doctor's room, there were a couple of things that you said to yourself, you know, I've got to remember that.
Now, that implies to me that you're fully conscious, as conscious as you are when you're awake.
Yeah, because if you, in that state, you're capable of getting information that you did not have or have access to when you're in the physical body.
So I believe that in some cases, not 100%, but in some cases, when you're in the out-of-body, because it's an ultra-state of consciousness, when you're in the out-of-body experience, you do have access to super consciousness.
First of all, there is no time in that in the out-of-body experience.
You could feel like you had a three-hour experience and come back and look at the clock and find that you've only been gone for 15, 20 minutes.
There's no time.
It's irrelevant.
But yes, access to the past and the future is something definitely possible.
I've experimented so many ways, trying new things, that that's one of the things I did do.
But I've also, that's probably one of the only and few warnings that I give to people is I warn them against traveling in the future because it is a very real experience and any data that you gain from the future, it may come to be.
And it may be something, it may not be something halfway around the world in Russia.
It may be something that's going to unfold in your close to your life.
I mean, maybe not, I don't believe everything is etched in stone, but there are some things because I truly believe that life is a learning experience for more than just my soul.
And other souls have agreed to have these experiences, and I'm just part of that.
So certain things are going to happen to them that needs to happen because it's their desire and their purpose.
So maybe I'm connected to that in some kind of way, and I can't influence that, and it's going to manifest anyway.
Well, the slower you go through the process of disconnecting, the more things you experience.
The faster you go through, the fewer things.
So let's talk about the slow part of it.
The first thing you would probably experience would be the paralysis, and that would be because your soul is disconnected from the physical body.
But it doesn't mean that it's just hovering there, not connected to anything.
It's connected to what Robert Monroe calls the second body or what metaphysicians call the astral body.
The next thing that you would feel is because the physical body vibrates at a very low rate and the astral body vibrates at a higher rate, you may start feeling a vibration of some sort.
And that's the transition part.
That's when your consciousness is moving from the physical body into the astral body.
Once the consciousness gets there, then the vibration goes away.
And then the next thing, right before you connect fully with the astral form or the second body, then you hear this incredibly loud roaring noise or an electrical buzzing sound.
It's just that it's a lower vibrational thing, that's all.
And there's a lot of, because the astral plane is populated, it's like I always tell people, if you're afraid of ghosts or entities and you go into the astral plane, that's like being afraid of fish and going into the ocean.
That's kind of where they are.
So at the lower levels of the astroplane, there is a lot of obsessions and things like that.
And one of those is the sexual obsession or sex drive.
And it's heightened tenfold.
So it's a lot more powerful than it is in the physical plane.
So there is a lot of that going on.
I get letters from people all over the place who are saying, talking about that.
And I've even heard people who've had near-death experiences talk about that.
So it's definitely there.
It's not like you would know the person.
It's more like sharing energy, even though the sexual feeling is the same.
So that is definitely some things that people do.
It is there.
There's no judgment call on it.
I could care less what people do on the astral plane in that regard.
It is part of human existence, not just the physical existence.
But the thing is, is that there's a lot more to why there is a sexual drive and sex on the astral plane than just procreation, because as far as I know, I haven't seen any astral babies flying around or anything.
And a lot of people, especially women, and we've done one with a male, too, but a lot of women, they've been suffering in silence because they wouldn't tell anybody because most people wouldn't believe them.
But as we gained their confidence, they began to share with us that this happened to them.
Even though there's this one 82-year-old woman that was attacked in Tustin, California, and she had, this was the most shocking thing I'd seen in a long time.
The whole concept of an attack, you know, I mean, really, for these women, for these people who are attacked, it is every bit as bad as a rape, I guess.
Do you feel that the negative entity, we'll call it just for lack of a better name, is of a sufficient strength to simply overcome whatever power, the prayer or...
It may, because the people come from all walks of life, one was a social worker for the city, so they don't have anything in common as even religious beliefs.
So I would think that this particular thing, maybe we haven't found what will affect it yet because we haven't tried everything there is.
The psychiatrist, of course, Albert, would say, look, even with regard to the bite marks on the thigh, the mind, the human mind, is a very, very powerful thing.
And if it believes that it's been attacked, it will actually produce marks and bruises and things like that.
There's one investigation that I went to that was the most startling investigation I've ever seen.
I was a 15-year-old girl who her mother claimed that the girl was being attacked by something.
So we arrived on the scene.
The first thing I did is I had an investigator examine the girl, which there were no scratch marks or anything on her body, and followed the girl around just to make sure she wasn't going to scratch herself.
And we were there about two, three hours.
About an hour into our investigation, all of a sudden, I heard the girl screaming and saying, it burns, it burns.
I went running in there, and there's photos of it on the website that I'll share later on.
But I went running in there with my camera, and right in front of my eyes, she said it's right here.
She would lift up her blouse and show us her back or her leg, and slowly but surely, a red mark would slowly rise up out of nowhere and start raising up and then turn into a wealth and then actually started bleeding.
And it was the most startling thing I'd ever seen in my life.
Now, whether this 15-year-old girl was creating it, I doubt it.
But, you know, anything's possible.
I mean, the mind, the brain is capable of the consciousness of creating things like that.
But I think if that was the case, this girl is very, very, very sick.
But we were able to do a clearing for this girl.
And to date, to our best of our knowledge, the phenomenon hasn't reoccurred.
I guess maybe it is closely related because it is something very, very negative and very destructive, and they seem to be...
And also what they do is what we do is we empower the person so that they realize that they don't have to be a victim.
And all those things together has had some positive results where the people have no longer been victims and reported that the phenomenon and attacks have ceased in 80%.
But like I said, Art, there's this one, a couple women that she called me from Vegas.
She was on vacation with her husband at 2 o'clock in the morning and was telling me that it was still attacking her.
And that's the part that is, you know, in a non, I don't mean to be insensitive, but scientifically it's amazing and fascinating.
But unfortunately there's victims involved.
And I remember one woman told me, and it doesn't even matter what they're doing or what they believe, one woman was in the process of praying and was attacked.
Well, part of the astral plane is here and part of it is not here.
And the part that is here kind of intermixes with the physical plane like water with dirt creating this mud kind of stuff.
So, it is, you know, I don't have enough proof to say yes, but I do know that there is a lot of sexual energy in beings on the astral planet, the lower aspect of it.
And if there is the wall or the veil between the physical and the astral is thin, maybe there is some cases where it's able to bleed over and actually reach out and affect some of the people in the physical.
The vibratory rate of the astral plane is similar to the vibratory rate of the astral body.
At the lowest vibration, which is still above the physical vibration, is the lowest area of the astral.
But as vibration increases, that means that your particular astral body or soul has to be able to vibrate at a higher level for you to achieve access to these areas.
If it doesn't, then you're going to be limited to a certain part of the astral plane.
But as you start going up, part of the astral plane is not really here.
It's meaning that it's not in the physical.
And if you arrive there vibratory-wise, you cannot perceive the physical any longer.
So the physical world ceases to be something perceivable.
And what's going on is it changes into like a gaseous kind of no up, no down kind of environment.
A lot of souls, I've even encountered my deceased aunt in that location on more than one occasion.
So I would say there's human souls definitely populating that area, but not as much as the lower aspect.
I've been able to leave the astral body behind and travel in what I call the light body or the aceric body and achieve levels higher than the astral plane.
There's really places on the other side that are, I guess, maybe consciousness as universal consciousness has agreed to manifest this thing to give us some type of stability when we do this.
Because without that, it would be very, very disorienting.
Because when you leave the astral body, all of a sudden, one of the things I notice is your vision changes to 360 degrees all at once.
And because we're not used to that in the physical, that can be very disorienting.
know that right right no we wouldn't know that unless we had a conversation with them on the other side um i but i can say this to keep people from being afraid astral astral projection and i've done it so many times and my mother's 83 years old and she doesn't and i've taught it all over the world um people you don't it won't cause the death of your physical body if it was going to happen it was going to happen independent of you traveling out of your physical body so but if yes if that did occur while you were out of your physical body,
then it would be you would go through the death experience, which would mean that your physical body would die, but then you would go into the panoramic past-life review and then eventually have an encounter with the light.
But there's no reason to be afraid.
Now, regarding danger, because the astral plane and above, specifically the lower astral plane, is populated.
There are beings there.
Not all of them are astral travelers.
Not all of them are even entities or souls who've experienced human life.
So it's heavily populated.
But there's no more danger there than there is in you getting up and driving to an ATM and risking some bandit coming up behind you.
I mean, the world is kind of dangerous, but the astroplane, there's no more danger there than there would be in normal life.
There are some entities that will play games with you who will try to take advantage of your lack of knowledge and experience, but they can't hurt you.
It's because on two occasions, I had encounters with my deceased aunt on the upper middle area of the astroplane.
And if there was a hell, I believe that she would have been unlocked away there.
She would have been there.
So I can say that.
She wasn't the best soul on earth.
So I can say, unless she was on probation or something like that, I don't believe in hell because I definitely think she probably would have been there.
And, you know, there's been people who've had near-death experiences that reported going and having hellish-like experiences.
I've been on the other side a lot.
I saw my deceased friend Bill.
I've seen my relative, an uncle.
I've seen my aunt.
And I haven't encountered, I don't believe they get locked away.
I think because I believe in reincarnation, it's very hard to believe in reincarnation and hell at the same time.
I just don't have any experiences on the other side that would indicate that you get locked away somewhere because you've been a horrible person on this side.
I would think, moreover, that you definitely do not rise above the lower levels of the astral plane, but eventually because of the reincarnation process, you're going to get a chance to come here and do it all again.
It's just going to be a lot tougher than it was the first time.
A lot of people, you know, once you get past the belief system that you were taught as you grew up, you know, whatever religious belief system that is, through people's experience and exploration of the spiritual realms and becoming spiritualists rather than a particular religion, those spiritualists begin to accept the possibility that their reincarnation does exist.
Do you know because you are the same thing that a ghost is on the other side, it would be very difficult to draw some type of line between the two because basically we are the ghost when we enter the astral plane.
It's possible, but unlikely because most people aren't traveling to, you know, usually when we go to an investigative site, it's because of a reported occurrence.
Most people in the astral who travel astrally don't keep going back to the same site or same location.
It's pretty much random or rarely does it repeat.
But I would say that it probably is not, but it is possible.
They would be capable of probably leaving some type of impression on a digital recorder or an analog recorder on the Chromium Oxite tape.
Just think about them being the same way they were in life and moving on and a population the same way they were in life and then moving on to a non-physical existence.
You're going to get a variety of people.
Not everybody, just because you lose your physical body doesn't mean that all of a sudden you become evil, and it doesn't mean all of a sudden you become angelic.
It's going to be a good mixture of good and bad or even in the middle, just like a good representation of the living part.
Well, it's really nice that people believe what I have to say about what I've encountered and what I've experienced.
But as a scientist myself, to me, that's not good enough for me.
I want evidence.
I want data.
And so that's when I began, I thought about this for five years before I even created a group, Paranormal Research Investigations, PRI.
I wanted to actually collect data that would start showing maybe the capability of the human consciousness to leave the body.
And then, of course, the disembodied or deceased soul.
So that's what was the motivator is proof and data to support everything that I had already experienced.
And I didn't want people to have to believe me.
So that's what motivated me.
But now, since we've done that, I had no idea that my team was going to grow from three people as a hobby type of thing to actually maybe, I think I have 40 or 50 people on my roster that we do, that are investigators.
I had no idea.
And I had no idea that we would actually be actually collecting data.
thought this was going to be an exercise in futility.
But we actually have not only No, not only EVPs, though, we have video phenomenon of things flying around that are unexplained.
And to draw a conclusion as to what they are, well, I was calling a deceased person's name at that particular time, and this anomaly showed up.
So you can kind of extrapolate on that and think what it could possibly be.
And then at the same time, within a few seconds later, we ended up getting an EVP.
So you put all three of those together, and it's starting to point in the direction that this could likely be, possibly be, the essence of this particular disembodied person or disembodied soul.
So we have, and then that's not even including the still photos that we've captured of really strange anomalies.
Presently, we've relocated, we have three different groups, three different sections or factions of PRI.
One is in PRI North.
We call it PRI Anaheim.
And then recently, we've just opened up a section on the Queen Mary.
We run the Paranormal Research Center on the Queen Mary now.
And because it's state-of-the-art, I mean, it's amazing, we're able, one of the things that I've always wanted to do, being a native of Southern California, is we have, you know, and the reputation, given the reputation of the Queen Mary, it was what a great place to be to actually see if there is any kind of activity going on.
So we were able to, two weeks ago, do this weekend investigation of some of the reported hot spots or active spots on the Queen Mary.
And surprisingly enough, not only did we get EVPs in the pool area, but we got an incredible photo near door 13 that was downright amazing.
Maybe, you know, When people suffer traumas during the death process, it's like a place that they go to to try to recover from that traumatic experience.
And I went there astrally, and it looked like a train station almost, like a waiting room for a train station.
But beyond that, people actually were, there was something or someone arriving to, when these people had recovered enough, to transfer them onto a higher plane of consciousness.
There have been a lot of movies that have depicted exactly that about death, that you go to this sort of, I don't know, way station adjustment point place, whatever it is.
And that's pretty much what's more important than anything.
So when I do have enough information to put into a book to make it a book, then I definitely will put that out because I get a lot of requests from my readers that they want to know what else is going on with me.
Once we are practiced, because it takes a lot of practice, but once we are practiced and able to harness the full power of our consciousness, I think that we will literally change the face of the earth permanently and change the nature of life on earth.
I really, really do.
I really believe that I've seen people who, through prayer and conscience and their awareness, have their cancers have gone into remission.
Me personally, I was supposed to be in a wheelchair 15 years ago because of MS and I'm not.
So I believe that eventually maybe there won't be any illness.
Maybe not.
There won't be a lot of the things that we are plagued with today.
I think the only thing you can do is just practice leaving your body, practice floating just a little bit above your body, practice basking in that paralysis, vibrational area.
You have to be on the same level as far as capability, but if both of you can leave your physical body at the same time, you definitely will see each other.
And it doesn't matter if they're halfway around the world.
And how many times when you've had a collective experience like the one he described, does the other person come back and say, well, yeah, I had the same dream or I was there.
I had an encounter with my deceased pet, which I didn't even know that that could happen.
Definitely, there's been a steady progression, and it's also changed my interaction on the physical world with people.
So definitely, I think everything that regarding the out-of-body experience is spiritual, and I think because it is spiritual, it's all about evolution in the body and out.
You go into the light or through the tunnel, and then you're told you have to come back.
And in Odubai experience, you're 100%, well, not 100%, I'd say 95% in control of the actual experience and where you go, how long you stay there, and when you come back.
One is you're a passenger, the other is the driver.
But it's such a very natural and easy thing to do as far as relaxation and visualization and clearing your mind that I recommend you just do it naturally and don't have to worry about it because you can do it as many times as you want.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hi, Albert.
Hello.
This is Sandra in Ohio.
I'm enjoying the program very much.
Thank you.
Hi, Sandra.
The 360-degree vision that you mentioned is part of an OBE state.
I've had a few fully conscious OBEs myself, and I've experienced the same type of vision in my mediumship work, sometimes in a solid meditative state.
But I was hoping you could comment on the concept of lucid dreaming.
I've had a few lucid dreams also, or a number of them through my whole life, but a few where I was in two or three places at the same time, it seeming to view from two or three vantage points, where in one, I would be me thinking consciously as the human part of Sandra,
looking out through my eyes, and then suddenly I'm at another vantage point where I have more knowing of what's going on in the situation, and I'm observing myself doing some kind of stupid, ignorant things, which I guess I would normally do in my waking state.
And then from there, I'm sometimes in a third perspective looking at the two of me, we're all observing kind of each other, the more ignorant human part, not being aware of the other two parts.
And at one point, I had a dream a few months ago where I actually turned in my ignorant state and realized someone was looking at me, and it was that classic vision of the higher self, the long gray hair type of thing.
But this is the first time I was able to turn and look at that being and look into that being's eyes.
And in the black part where the pupil actually should be, this brilliant white light came out, and then suddenly I was in that being's place, looking out at the ignorant human self.
Well, regular dreaming is when you pretty much accept any type of thing that may be very odd, like a pink elephant or something strange like that.
You accept it in the dream.
Lucid dreaming is when you become aware and you know you're dreaming.
You know your body somewhere is asleep and you know what you see in front of you is dream material and you can change it or you can fly, but you're in total control and you're very aware.
You become yourself instead of in that dream state where you pretty much aren't aware of yourself.
But because you become aware, now you can move on to becoming consciously, having a consciously controlled, spontaneous out-of-body experience from the lucid state.
But let me explain to you the feeling you had of something negative.
Because fear is heightened tenfold, just the intensity of the fear is going to convince you that it's real, but it doesn't mean that that's a negative thing, but it's going to be extremely scary.
And the paralysis, what that is, the reason you're having breathing problems, is because you have to relinquish or let go of control over the physical body.
And it kind of feels like a mini-death.
That's why it feels so uncomfortable because you feel like you can't breathe and you can't move.
And if you think about that, it is how you're dying.
Of course, the fear is going to be multiplied tenfold and you're going to be very fearful.
Well, what you do is eat before 6 o'clock because the body uses energy to process food.
Go to bed about 10 o'clock and set your alarm clock to wake you up about 1.30 in the morning.
When the alarm clock goes off, get out of bed.
You can't just hit the sleep button.
Get out of bed and stay up for about maybe two hours.
Then go back to bed.
And when you go back to bed, lay perfectly still.
Get all your scratching and itching out of the way.
And lay perfectly still and stay there and just focus on that little area above your lip where the breath is coming out.
Because what you're doing is you're trying to recreate a time where, and everybody's experienced this, when you've been on the freeway and you're real sleepy and tired and for that brief second you nod out, even though you're trying not to.
Well, now you're in a safe environment and the body still requires about two to four more hours of sleep.
And as long, and if you lay perfectly still, even if you tried to stay awake, the body is going to fall asleep.
But because you gave the consciousness two hours or four hours to sleep in the beginning, the consciousness is going to be very alert.
And that's why we have dreams in the middle of the night, like three, four o'clock in the morning like that, because the consciousness becomes more alert during that time period.
And I guarantee you, a lot of people will have their, if they haven't had out-of-back experiences before, they will definitely have an out-of-body experience from that that interrupted sleep technique, I call it.
Well, if you do not set your intention on what you want to experience, the astral body kind of just does its thing and it goes crazy.
You can spin, it'll spin around, it'll bounce you off the walls, and it'll do all kinds of things because it's not being guided.
I don't know when you're having this exactly, but if you're flying around or having an out-of-body experience, electrical wires can kind of cause you to have that uncontrolled, trapped feeling too.
You know, even if you've never done this And you only do it once.
It really is something that will allow you to suddenly understand that you are more than your collective flesh and bones and whatever you are, you know, your physical body.
It will allow you to understand you are more than that.
And that's one of man's biggest questions, of course.
Circling back to what I said, Albert, I'm sure you get a very great deal of mail from all over the place, and I wonder how many prisoners...
Yeah, and when you do that, you should have been able to, I don't know if she was conscious or not, I guess she was asleep, but you should be able to feel her emotions too.
So that's definitely possible.
Now, the other thing that you mentioned, you've got to really be careful when you're in that state of consciousness because any wayward thoughts, any kind of thing can be created out of the substance that's around you, but it doesn't mean that it's real.
Even something that appears to be an entity can be created.
So the haggard, ugly-looking person that you saw may have been something that you created.
And because it was so intense, that's what I was mentioning before.
The fear emotion is multiplied tenfold, so it would be so intense it would actually convince you it's real.
You just have to be an observer, and it takes practice.
But like I said, I've been doing this a long time.
I continue to do it.
My mother's 83 years old, and she does it, and she doesn't have any negative experiences.
You know, I do understand the fear, and I address that in my book.
And I itemize the times that I was terrified.
I mean, I was so scared in the beginning that I would literally jump out of my bed in the middle of the night and go running through my house, turning on all the lights in the house.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
unidentified
Morning.
Hi, Art.
It's great to have you out there.
Thank you.
I have a question for your guest.
One thing I just wanted to tell very briefly is that I did accidentally do this when I was 11.
I was lying there just in my bed, and I was still, and I was thinking, and I just sat up.
My body didn't sit up with me, and then after that, I had a lot of fun.
And then I got scared and got yanked back by that string or whatever it was.
But the main thing I wanted to say to you is: it seems to me like implied and implicit in what you're saying is that there is no death and that our identification, our exclusive identification with this 3D reality and our bodies is just sort of a social construct or something.
Like Chief Seattle said, there is no death, only a change of worlds.
And that's truly what it is.
And this is just like a play that we're acting in, and it's very temporary.
And the play is going to end, and then we're going to return back to the place where we came from, which was home, and which is the non-physical realm.
unidentified
Now, home, that's an interesting point, because I have always felt like there's something really important that I'm trying to remember.
And it's like not just a fact, but more like a place or a realm or a state of being that I can almost remember, but not quite.
Through the meditative process, and I don't mean visualization where you think of things, clearing your mind and practicing, ignoring the data that the five senses is giving you, through that state, you can achieve an altered state of consciousness.
And the thing that you can't remember will be accessible if you practice it.
It's not being to be afraid of.
I understand the fear.
But if you practice it over and over again, I guarantee you that you will be able to access memories that you're having difficult with now, difficulty with.
unidentified
Well, I have a feeling that's very important that we do that.
What you had was called a spontaneous control, well, spontaneous controlled out of my experience.
Some people, through the nap process, if you fell asleep, or even I've heard of reports of people writing me who've been jogging and get into that rhythm and find themselves above their bodies.
So what you had was something that sometimes happens to us that's spontaneous.
I'm not really sure because it was so incredibly vivid.
it was something like out of a Disney movie.
I was at the very top of the Empire State building in New York, and a fairy, go ahead and laugh, I don't care, a fairy or something like a fairy, sprinkled me with this multicolored, I don't know, stuff.
And I was able to fly up above Manhattan in the most free, amazing, wonderful flight.
And, you know, when I woke up, it was so vivid and so wonderful.
I suppose that could have been an OBE, but I regarded it at the time as just a wonderful dream.
My question was, do you think that anything or have you experienced anything in your adventures so far that kind of give rise to maybe a thought about a change in human consciousness?
Have you seen anything about us?
You know, we obviously hit a lope a point in society right now with all the terrorism and everything that's going on.
And so have you seen anything in your adventures that shows you that we're going to have a change in human consciousness and that this astral projection is going to be kind of a part of that?
I can't say there's going to be like an abrupt change, like a shift, but it's already in progress.
There's a lot of people thinking or looking beyond the religious beliefs that they've grew up in and found things a peaceful realization in a more spiritual way.
Eventually, when we become to dominate the planet with that kind of belief system, then things are going to change.
They have to change because you cannot behave the way you used to.
You have a new understanding.
Even in my own personal life, my life has changed.
There's certain behaviors and ideals that no longer serve me.
So definitely there is a change.
It may not happen in our lifetime because there's still a lot going on in other areas.
But eventually I do see something, this planet changing and becoming truly like heaven on earth.