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Oct. 23, 2005 - Art Bell
02:27:59
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Nick Begich - HAARP Weather and Mind Control - Mark Suddeth - Hurricane Hunter
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We here in South Florida, or some part of the Southern US, is getting a strong hurricane.
Any chance you're doing the weather manipulation?
He says.
I know it's the topic for tonight's show, well to some degree that's true.
Coming up in the next hour, we'll have Nick Begich here, Dr. Begich, who wrote, of course, among other things, Angels Don't Play This Harp.
Now, I'll have a lot of questions about that, as you can imagine.
It's been a while since we've talked.
The Bell family is just spiffy.
That would be Art, myself, Ramona, Yeti, Comet Shadow, Dusty, Abby Dose.
And by the way, Abby Dose is in tonight's, uh, ham cam slot.
That's Abby lying right on Ramona last night.
So that's as early a picture as last night.
Now, Take a good look at Abydos, because after about 8 o'clock tomorrow, his maleness, his male identity is due to be modified.
So these are the closing hours of his continued possession of You know, I kind of feel sorry for him.
Any male... Anyway, so there he was last night.
What an unusual little cat that is.
He doesn't make a sound, folks.
He's never made any sound other than when he wanted to come in the house and then he screamed bloody murder.
Since then, two and a half months, the most he does, he goes... He grunts.
That's about it.
That's all Abby Dose ever says.
Now, I would like to invite you all, as I have in the past, to listen to Amateur Radio, Ham Radio, at a very unique site called www.smeter.net.
That's S-M-E-T-E-R.net.
That's S-M-E-T-E-R dot net. It's there 24 hours a day.
One of the receivers is the Pahrump receiver, which is located at KNYE Radio and utilizes the KNYE Tower.
And you can listen to ShoreWave.
Now, warning, there may not be too much shortwave to listen to right now.
The solar conditions at the moment Really, really unusual.
They are so unusual, in fact, if you look at the x-ray chart, it's flat-lined.
I mean, baby, there is nothing going on.
It is just flat-lined.
And the band sounds just like that, so it's very difficult for anybody to talk to anybody anywhere, but it can be done.
So, you can have fun with that.
It's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
www.smeter.net.
S-M-E-T-E-R.net.
Now, we just got back from a trip to Idaho, took the RV up to Idaho, and had a blast!
Went to see a friend of mine, Mac, and Boyd and his family, and we had a blast, so we're getting out a little bit.
Coming up next week is going to be a kind of a fun affair, I think.
Ghost2Ghost is not one day next week, but it's two days!
Here's what we're going to do.
On the 30th, we're going to have a very old Ghost2Ghost.
They're going back, I think, to the mid-90s or early 90s.
I don't know, way back.
And they're getting a Ghost2Ghost because those stories, of course, are eternal, aren't they?
And then on the 31st, I will be here doing a live Ghost to Ghost.
Now, I want to talk to you a little bit about that live Ghost to Ghost, all right?
Continuing program notes here.
What I would like you to do is to send me a short synopsis of your ghost story, the most titillating part, so that I can understand what I'm dealing with, and include your phone number, please.
because we will repeat last year's successful effort at Ghost to Ghost and I'm going to give you my email addresses so run and get a pencil or a pen please and send me a short synopsis of your ghost story only the very best scariest wildest stories are told and the way this is accomplished by your sending me a little bit of email including your phone number and we I should say I will call you All right, so any emails with your short synopsis and phone number should be sent to Artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L at AOL.com or Artbell at MindSpring.com.
That's probably the main one.
Artbell at MindSpring.com.
M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.
Artbell at MindSpring.com.
And again, include a synopsis and your phone number.
And if it's a good one, we'll call you on the 31st.
And that's how we're going to do ghost-to-ghost that, and of course, open lines as well.
But we are going to rely heavily on your input.
So make it good.
And include your phone number, and who knows, you could be part of this year's Ghost to Ghost program.
Something I've been doing for, gee, an awful lot of years now.
In a moment, we'll look at this horrible thing, this horrid, horrid thing, bearing down at this very hour on Florida.
the keys and then florida coming up cnn of course into full-time coverage
The latest on Wilma at this hour.
at 24.5 north and 83.6 west or about 115 miles west of Key West Florida which is
now beginning to take quite a battering. Winds are now 115 miles an hour.
It's been upgraded to a Category 3 hurricane, moving northeast at 18 miles an hour.
The barometric pressure, 957 millibars, and I understand stabilizing at that, so it may remain exactly where it is at Category 3.
Now, you may recall from previous programs, I've turned to Mark Suttoth, who is a hurricane hunter.
You've got to be out of your mind, in my opinion, to do these kinds of things.
Though I certainly did earlier in my life, didn't I?
Mark was in Naples, Florida, but I guess he decided that wasn't dangerous enough.
So now we find him, I believe, in Everglades City.
Mark, welcome to the program.
Good to be here.
Thanks for having me, Art.
Is that right, Everglades City?
Yes, temporarily.
We've come down here to rewind a tape that is inside of one of these storm case boxes Excuse me, that we have learned a lot of lessons since Katrina.
We lost all of those cases that we set up during Katrina.
All right, to remind the audience, what Mark does is he sets up these little, I don't know, pods or cases that he leaves with video and other recording devices to, you know, actually be in the hurricane and take the brunt of it and record whatever it's going to record.
Generally correct, Mark?
Yes, that's exactly right.
These are sort of remotely operated Cameras and weather instruments.
That's the idea is to leave them out in a remote location and let them take the beating and not me.
And we're going to go back.
We're in Everglades City now, just kind of rewinding the very long nine hour tape in one of these items, one of these boxes.
And so far as I drive around Everglades City, there's no flooding yet whatsoever.
Well, Mark, it's coming now.
That city, Everglade City, probably is not going to be the place to be come about dawn, is it?
Right.
Not going to be a place to be near dawn.
I think the storm surge is going to come in rather quickly, like it did during Katrina.
The people that are still here, and there are people here, and the indication of that, I'm going to take some pictures of it as I leave, and I hope it's not pictures of Cars that don't have owners, but there's all these automobiles parked up on the little bridge that comes down into Everglades City.
They're parked up there like rats that have been placed on higher ground, if you will.
And that, to me, means that the owners are still here in Everglades City, which is about three feet above sea level on average.
Three feet above sea level.
And what is the projected storm surge there?
Anywhere from maybe 12 to 15 feet.
12 to 15 feet.
So in other words, you could get as much as 12 feet of water right there.
Yes, we can have 12, maybe 15 feet of water rising in here, coming in rapidly.
That'll have some waves on top of it, perhaps.
And it's just not a good thing to be in, I learned that.
Seeing the damage after Katrina.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
So the residents of that area have all parked their cars.
You would judge how far above sea level?
Well, those cars are not very much above sea level at all.
They are parked up on this bridge, so they are maybe another eight or nine feet above sea level where they are.
So the cars may not get damaged or washed away, but the people's homes With those people, maybe.
So, I'm really worried about that.
I know there are a lot of areas that didn't really evacuate this time.
Some people seem to have this feeling that, I don't know, this storm wasn't going to be much.
And after the battering over Cozumel and that area of Mexico, I think people thought it was going to beat itself to death.
What is going on with this storm?
Intensification, I guess, right?
It's an amazing hurricane, isn't it, Art?
Strongest hurricane ever recorded pressure-wise in the Western Hemisphere with a 881 or 882 millibar air pressure at one point.
Right.
With a two mile wide eye and then it buried itself over the Yucatan after going through an eye wall replacement cycle and the eye grew larger.
It battered them for hours upon hours.
Then it moved off the Yucatan after leaving Southern Florida in a state of weight and anguish.
However, giving people more time, which was good.
The talk was, maybe it'll just be an 89 hurricane, and so it won't be as bad.
And then, all of a sudden, six hours before landfall here, we're looking at a large, angry, well-defined Category 3 hurricane with a huge wind field.
A lot like Katrina had, a large wind field.
So this means a large area.
What happened?
The southwest Florida coast will get storm surge.
Yeah, Mark, if you can, what happened to this hurricane to cause it to suddenly grow like this?
Was it the warm waters of the Gulf?
I mean, they just didn't expect it to be a three.
They were forecasting originally a one, maybe.
Right.
A two at the most, and here it is, three already.
Correct.
That just goes to show that the intensity forecasting For a hurricane, it's very difficult to understand that thermodynamic relationship between the hurricane's interface with the ocean and the atmosphere.
They were hoping that the shearing winds would tear it apart and keep it from strengthening, but the hurricane was moving with the flow.
The shear was not as bad.
I heard, Mark, that the shear could do one of two things.
It could either confuse and weaken the hurricane, or it could cause it to change its forward speed instead, while it's still strengthened.
Apparently, that's what occurred.
Right.
And the eye grew larger, as we have seen.
The hurricane has picked up a fairly fast speed now.
And it'll be on the coast somewhere near when the sun comes up.
And I think that is going to be one rude awakening.
No pun intended.
All right, so it's going to be moving over the Everglades area.
Basically, we're talking about a swamp anyway, with swamp water temperatures still in the 80s.
And then it's going to move over to the east coast of Florida.
Over a lot of people in Miami-Dade, Broward County, and then all the way up towards Palm Beach.
Even up as far north as Titusville could see hurricane force winds.
That's a lot of people.
Millions of people that are going to be affected by this hurricane.
Mark, do you have any personal theories about the hurricane season thus far this year?
Everybody, I think, would agree.
It's been incredible.
We're already up now to a named storm, Alpha.
Do you have any theories about why you think it's been this bad and is it going to get worse?
I think that it is very reasonable to say that it was this bad because the sea surface temperatures were warmer than normal and in some cases extreme warmer than normal and that has led to You know, as you mentioned during Hurricane Katrina, these hurricanes are nature's air conditioners, and boy, nature really had to crank up these air conditioners this year, because hurricanes are the means to get that heat out of the tropics.
And in this particular situation this year, it is absolutely the most extraordinary hurricane season in modern man's history.
It cannot be.
I mean, 1933 had a 21 name storm year, but it didn't have three Category 5 hurricanes that we've had this year.
That's right.
That is absolutely amazing.
It truly is amazing, and it just seems to get worse and worse and worse and worse.
So it would be your view, then, that this trend toward bigger, more fierce hurricanes is going to continue in years to come?
Yes.
Very possible.
When we see these kind of water temperatures persisting, and we're going to watch that through the winter, that large, fierce hurricanes could be the norm as opposed to the exception.
And it is not going to be too much longer, I think, before a place like Long Island gets a massive hurricane racing up the East Coast and comes into some place like Long Island.
New Orleans has a threat to be hit again even next year.
The Caroliners are vulnerable.
The Florida Peninsula is very vulnerable.
We are stuck with this art, and if we do not adapt as people that live along the coastline, there's going to be some very bad consequences for this country.
in the next 10 to 15 years.
Hey Mark, just a theoretical question.
Could this hurricane cross the Florida Peninsula, get out into the Atlantic, and meet up with the low-pressure or tropical Alpha thing and then sort of merge?
Could that happen?
Yes, it really could.
And it would absorb some of the energy from Alpha and perhaps be transitioning.
it's going to transition into a very strong sort of mid-latitude, extra-tropical cyclone,
or more of a nor'easter, like a winter-type storm, and then head up towards the Canadian
Maritimes where it's going to potentially cause a lot of trouble up there.
This is going to be a very large and potent ocean storm after it's done, and it leaves
Well, listen, you do leave out these pods with recording equipment, some of it video, so I'm sure that you're hoping in a way that you get some daylight-type action, aren't you?
Yeah, absolutely.
We're hoping that we can see what these effects are during the hurricane because the daytime comes in and allows us to do that.
That's obviously a very good thing.
And for anybody that has stayed here in the Everglades City area, maybe the daytime will allow them a chance, if they see that water coming up, to finally get out of here.
I don't know.
I just think a hurricane is much more bearable during the daytime.
And we can learn a lot more from it, if we can see it.
Why, Mark, do you chase hurricanes?
That is a very good question.
I am very interested in this kind of power.
That makes these trees move like they do, that makes the noise that it does, that makes millions of people react, you know, in a way that they wouldn't normally react to just a thunderstorm or a cold front.
So you're entranced by the power?
Right.
Absolutely.
And if hurricanes did not hurt people and kill people and destroy billions of dollars worth of property, everybody could come out and enjoy A really spectacular force of nature.
But unfortunately, they do do those bad things.
And as I said a few minutes ago, people have got to learn to adapt.
All right.
We're about done here, Mark, time-wise.
But very quickly, go ahead and plug your website, would you please?
Because Mark is, I don't know, doing this kind of as a job.
Right, Mark?
This is my job.
It is.
And I work with some great people.
Folks can visit HurricaneTrack.com.
And one of the things I want to mention real quick, if you want to see this season end to end, from A to W, I was there for almost every one of them except Cindy.
We're producing a DVD that is going to be absolutely incredible.
And I'm going to send you one, Art, through your good friend Paul Bowman.
And folks can look that all up at HurricaneTrack.com.
We really are the science behind the reporting.
And I mean, aren't you know from your storm chasing days that the science really makes the chasing and the adventure A full plate, and it really helps to round it all out.
Oh, Mark, I know.
Your streaming was cool, by the way.
Paul Bowman, as you mentioned, turned me on to it, and I watched you going down the coast of Florida, headed into danger the other day.
Just watched your vehicle, you know, going on down the freeway.
It was pretty cool.
And I could even hear you in the background.
So technology's done a lot for us, and you're square in the middle of it.
So, Mark Suttoth, Buddy, thank you very much for being here once again as we're on the air yet another night when a hurricane's closing in.
Rain pounded Key West late Sunday as Hurricane Wilma accelerated towards Storm Weary.
That's an understatement, Florida.
Threatening residents with 115 mile an hour winds.
Tornadoes, oh there are going to be a lot of tornadoes because there is a, there's cold air to the north and it's mixing and they're already getting tornadoes and water spouts.
A surge of seawater that could Flood the Keys, the state's southwest coast, the Category 3 hurricane expected to make landfall before dawn Monday in the state's southwest corner, likely near Naples and Marco Island, according to Max Mayfield.
So, we'll see.
It's certainly going to go across the swampy southern part of Florida, and then the eastern part of the state is going to take it.
There's looting down in Mexico after Wilma, which of course stayed over the Cancun area and just rotated, and now things are pretty wrecked down there.
As you might imagine, about 10,000 Americans have got to get out.
And there is looting.
We'll have more.
There's so many things that I want to talk to you about.
I've got so little air time.
As compared to when, you know, I was on for both days each weekend, that there's just a whole lot I want to talk to you about.
One of those things, even in the middle of a hurricane, is bird flu.
So, stay right there and we shall continue Open Lines coming right up.
Sound of a jet taking off.
Music.
This is a subject I have just got to take a moment to talk to you about.
The headline tonight is Britain colon bird flu is deadly H5N1 strain.
London.
The British government said Sunday that a strain of bird flu that killed a parrot in quarantine is, in fact, the deadly H5N1 strain that has plagued Asia and recently spread now, of course, to Europe.
Scientists determined that the parrot imported from South America died of, in fact, the strain of avian flu that has devastated poultry stocks, killed 61 people in Asia over the past two years now, I've been doing a lot of reading about the bird flu, and as you know, or should know, if you've had your head anywhere other than deep in the sand, this is thought to probably, very soon now, jump to, or possibly jump to, the possibility of human-to-human infection.
Should that occur?
I've read the mortality rate for this kind of flu is about 55 percent.
55 percent!
Now, in the 1918 flu epidemic, I think it was five or ten percent at the most.
Five percent is what I've heard.
That went around the world three times in an era where we had no airplanes.
No airplanes.
Killed millions and millions of people.
This is worse.
Much worse.
If it becomes, if you hear a story, a legitimate story, that says that human to human contamination of this H5N1 has begun, all I can tell you is, find a place away from people, and I know it sounds impossible to do, but I mean for you and your family, for your sake, find a place as far away from people as you can get, With as much storage of food and water and essentials as you can possibly manage, and stay the hell away from people.
And that's about all you can do.
There are some drugs that might have some effectiveness against this strain, should it develop.
Tamiflu for example, but stocks are low on that.
So, you know, you keep this one way high on your personal radar.
For you and the sake of your family, keep it very high on your radar.
If you begin to hear about person-to-person transmission, the time available to you to get ready and do what you're going to do for you and your family is going to be very short indeed.
So keep your eye on that one.
It may not come.
It may not It may not be this year, it may not be next year, or it could be next month.
But keep it very high on your personal radar, please.
All right, let us begin.
On the international line, you're on the air.
Hello, where are you calling from, please?
Yes, hi, Art.
I'm calling from Singapore.
Singapore?
Yes.
Wonderful.
All the way from Singapore.
My goodness.
That's correct, yeah.
What are you doing in Singapore?
I've been living and working here for 20 years.
Came over with an American company and then ended up starting my own and stayed.
So you really like Singapore?
Yeah.
Raised four children here.
It's been a good time.
Nothing like you here.
So what do you do?
I mean, what kind of work?
Semiconductor testing.
Very good.
All the good stuff.
In fact, I wanted to call you on my mobile phone just to let you see how great it was, but the calls are a little bit expensive.
Okay.
So, you're in Singapore.
I was just talking about the Asian flu.
Are you getting a lot of headlines about that in Singapore, sir?
More from the BBC.
You know, BBC is the dominant.
News here in terms of our international, but locally, no.
Because I think, you know, it's really not that bad in terms of how many times it needs to jump in order to really become a problem.
Of course, we went through the whole SARS thing, which was really devastating to the economy.
A really tough time for everybody.
I think at least a third of the restaurants shut down.
This thing could make SARS look like a picnic.
Well, it could.
There's no doubt about it.
And, you know, as long as you cook your chicken right and you do all the right precautions, it shouldn't be too bad.
Oh, absolutely.
In its current form, where, you know, only people coming in contact with eating birds or, you know, bodily fluids from birds or something, it's not going to be the kind of thing that I'm concerned about.
Human to human, if that begins... Yes.
Okay, then it's a totally different deal.
Yeah, I'll say.
And the scientists seem so damn convinced that it's going to happen.
Well, George had somebody on his show last week about that.
I think if you try to pin the guy down and get him to commit to anything, it might be a different deal.
Well, listen, it's great to hear from you.
What part of Singapore are you in?
Well, right now I'm in Kelong area.
It's an industrial building.
We stay up in the woodlands near the border to Malaysia.
We're about five minutes from there.
And out of curiosity, how did you get onto the program and how do you manage to hear it in Singapore?
Well, you know, when I moved from the States, I used to listen to talk radio in Houston and got over here and signed up for Reel and Searched for talk radio and found this show called Art Bell and listened to it.
I was really hooked because it's been the strangest journey in a way.
My wife and I went to a place in Houston that had some soothsayers.
There were two of them, one a palm reader and one a card reader.
Went to the one and she said, you're going to move overseas in the next six months.
I couldn't possibly think of What that meant.
Went over to the other one and she said the exact same thing.
And you know, he kind of looked to make sure nobody can see anybody from across the room and they were completely blocked off.
And there you are in Singapore.
And here I am in Singapore all these years later.
Got it.
All right, well listen, listen buddy, I got to scoot, but thank you very, very much for your call and take care in Singapore.
That's an unusual call.
All the way from Singapore.
Yes, I think once again, with the bird flu, Don't worry until you hear about human-to-human transmission.
If you hear about that, worry indeed and prepare for the worst.
It's always best that way because the scientists surely do seem confirmed that just this small genetic change, what they say is that every human that is infected from a bird Of course then has a compromised immune system and there's always this chance that in just one human it's suddenly going to take that one little tiny almost immeasurable jump that will allow it to become human to human as just one little genetic change in the virus.
That's scary.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good evening.
Hello.
Oh, Art.
Yes.
First off, it's an honor to talk with you.
I've been a fan of the show for about two or three years now.
Okay, where are you, sir?
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
Excellent.
I have a question, and I wanted to make a prediction after that.
You may.
My question is, has two existing hurricanes ever kind of caught up with each other and joined to make a bigger storm?
Has that ever happened?
Do we have any records of that?
I have no idea.
I've never personally heard of it, but most things have happened, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Okay.
I mean, they're both giant low-pressure systems, right?
So I would think it could happen, that we had that perfect storm off the northeast coast years ago, where two low-pressure systems joined.
So yeah, I suppose, why not?
Okay.
Leading into my prediction, I was having a daydream the other day.
I was just kind of dozing off during class, and I was in Florida.
I was on vacation, and it was kind of around the end of like August, mid-September, like when school usually starts.
And I had this dream about an existing hurricane kind of like joining with another hurricane, kind of like catching up to it.
Right.
And forming a bigger storm.
Right.
And I was watching the weather channel about this in my dream and it was predicted for this period around 2006 and I was kind of a little startled by it.
Alright, so you think that this might occur in 2006?
Correct, end of August, mid-September.
All right, well, nature may trump you, and who knows?
I mean, Wilma is headed across southern Florida, right?
In a northeast direction right now, and then probably to turn more northerly, I would imagine, after crossing the peninsula.
And Alpha's out there, sort of waiting, so you never know.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi Art, it's Larry in Fort Lauderdale.
Oh, Fort Lauderdale.
Alright, well I guess Fort Lauderdale is dead in the sights of this hurricane after it crosses and it's not going to diminish that much.
What are you being told?
Well, we're all glued to the television set.
All channels have different little pictures on it and we're watching Doppler radar from Key West.
We're flashing to the different reporters that they have from Key West, Upper Keys, And all throughout South Florida.
They're trying to tell people not to get complacent because of all the storms we've been battered with.
And that's been a real problem is dealing with the complacency.
Sure.
Right now here in Fort Lauderdale, everything is very, very calm.
It's the calm before the storm.
The winds are only about 35 miles an hour.
The pictures we're seeing from Key West is they're just starting to get their hurricane force winds with the eye approximately, maybe wrong in this, 60, 70 miles.
From them right now, and it's probably just going to skirt them, but it's still on that beeline headed right for Between like Miami and Fort Lauderdale, and they're saying that it's not going to diminish like the other hurricanes Did they think it's going to keep it strong category three?
That's right, so that means that means it conceivably your area and Miami-Dade North could could see 100 mile an hour winds Well, 115 is what it's at right now.
And like you said before, a lot of people think when it hits land, it diminishes.
But the Everglades is basically warm water, which can help fuel it.
But there's two caveats that we have, or two good things.
One is it's moving very fast.
they said that unlike some other storms that'll move off the coast
very rapidly they expected to maybe increase the twenty miles an hour in
movement and the second thing is
if we lose power and we seem to always lose power it won't have that horrible
hot weather afterwards they're predicting that
low temperatures and for us it's low up to or down to fifty degrees
by tomorrow night so if we do lose power we won't be baking
Because a lot of people have these aluminum shutters on, and you're like a baked potato with this aluminum, you know, surrounding the house, which I put up today.
Even so, sir, just a few minutes of 100 mile an hour plus winds, that's going to do all kinds of damage.
I mean, even if it's not sitting on you sustained, 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes of 100 miles an hour, and there's serious damage.
This is why I put up the shutters, but I have to say, the house next door to me, they have even stronger shutters.
They didn't do it.
A neighbor next to him did put them up.
It's just people trying to play the guessing game, and they've been begging people, especially in the Keys, to get out.
A lot of people did not.
They've been interviewing people that are still on their boats, even.
I know.
Hard-headed conks.
They call them conks.
And the conks don't leave.
They stand and face the storm like brave soldiers.
They're even saying that when this thing goes offshore to the east, that it may merge to some type of general weather system with Tropical Storm Alpha, go up to the northeast, and actually turn into a very wicked snowstorm.
So, I mean, it's like out of a movie script, or like something out of your book.
I mean, if you look at what this thing did, going underneath Cuba, swinging back around, and now, you know, heading across the southerns into Florida, and then going up and wreaking havoc in the northeast, I mean, It's like something out of a movie.
It is like something out of a movie, and I want to solicit your opinion on something.
I know it's pretty far out in left field, but do you think there's any manipulation of the weather going on by anybody or any country or at all?
Is there manipulation that we don't know about going on?
I look for connections, and I got into a debate just last night with a friend of mine over this who says that's a crackpot view, and I cited the number of serious people in this country that are looking into it.
I also heard you say something else, and I look for a connection, something you said earlier.
The ham radio signals are very, very bad now.
Oh, they are?
I would want to know, you know, in detail what electromagnetic fields are moving, and if anything from that end of the spectrum could be causing this, and if it is, Is it being manipulated?
I see one thing.
I've seen hurricanes come off from the east, right straight into Florida.
This year, every hurricane seems to be heading for a place where there's oil refineries or oil drilling.
We have Port Everglades here, one of the largest storage tanks of oil in the southeast.
Really?
And it seems like this thing is heading right for that.
Katrina came in from the other side, right towards that.
And then if you look at all the lines, they're all in the Gulf heading right towards the oil rigs and stuff.
So you have to wonder.
They look at you as a crackpot when you say that it's manipulated.
I know.
But if you start thinking about mind control and stuff, I think it's a very real possibility.
It may be kind of fringy to think about this sort of thing.
I admit it is a little fringy, but we're doing all kinds of other things.
And if we were manipulating weather, one thing I know for sure We wouldn't talk about it.
That's true.
It's like when Major and Dean started, the remote viewers, it wasn't talked about, and then later it became known, and you have to go back to the Air Force's webpage that I understand was taken down, where they had a giant above the clouds, and it said, controlling the weather by 2025.
So, they didn't expect to start in 2024 to do it.
They probably expected to start now.
All right, buddy.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You have a good night.
We don't have a lot of time.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yeah.
How you doing, Art?
I'm alright, sir.
Where are you?
I'm in Dayton, Ohio, right in the right field.
Alright.
And your first name?
My name is Brad.
Okay, Brad.
What's up?
I just wanted to mention one real quick thing.
I wanted to thank you for replying to my email that I sent to you.
I emailed you about my cats and how to get them.
Oh, yes.
You're very welcome.
Well, I appreciate that.
My condolences to Abby Doe.
Thank you.
By the way, and just basically, Art, I just wanted to comment on this whole thing.
You know, we've got earthquakes, we've got hurricanes.
You know, it's something out of a movie.
And, you know, it's really amazing to me that all this stuff is going on.
I don't have children of my own.
I have a niece and nephew, though, that I think of basically as my own.
I love them.
And it's almost worrisome to think that they're going to have to come up in this world, because I remember back as a child, there was nothing like this.
Well, you know, you're now the second person to say that.
It's like something out of a movie, with everything that's been going on, out of a book.
I won't do the plug that I probably could do.
Out of a movie, a modern movie, a catastrophic movie.
I mean, what's going on right now is just simply astounding.
Do you see this as an End Times kind of event?
Oh, God, I don't know.
Honestly, I don't know.
An End Times event?
For some people.
That's the only way to say it safely.
I don't know, sir.
Nobody knows about those end times.
Not really.
They're certainly going to be in touch with, it would appear, the edge of the eye wall.
And they've mainly not evacuated from Key West.
Strong, hard-headed conks that they are.
They're mostly staying in place.
Now they're not going to move.
There's already water over all the roads connecting them to mainland.
So they're where they're going to be.
954 millibars, 115 miles an hour, moving northeast at 18 miles an hour.
Wilma, we'll watch it as the night continues.
Our guest coming in a moment, Dr. Nick Begich.
Now, just quickly, a couple of notes that I want to repeat.
And that is, Ghost to Ghost, yes, I will do it on the 31st.
On the 30th, we're going to have a very old Ghost to Ghost.
Back to the 90s.
Way back.
And then on the 31st, I'll be here live.
And for that event, I want you to write me a short synopsis of the very best, that's all we're going to put on the air, the very best ghost stories, just a short synopsis and your phone number and then of course you're going to have to be available on that night because I will probably be trying to call you if you sent me a good ghost story.
Send those ghost stories to Art Bell.
at AOL.com or Artbell at MindSpring.com.
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Dr. Nick Begich serves as executive director of the Lay Institute on Technology.
He is the publisher and co-owner of Earth Pulse Press Incorporated.
He was twice elected president of both the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education.
He received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for Complementary Medicine in 1994.
Dr. Begich has also worked as both a tribal administrator and village planner for the Chickaloon Village Traditional Council, a federally recognized American Indian tribe, a tribe nation based in Alaska.
He has written a number of books.
Angels Don't Play This Harp, and They Don't.
Earth Rising, the revolution toward a thousand years of peace.
Earth Rising 2, the betrayal of science, society, and the soul.
And then finally, a DVD, Mind Control, a brave new world, or enhancing human performance technologies of the 21st century.
So it is indeed an auspicious eve for dr. Begich to be with us, which he will be in a moment
Dr. Nick Begich wrote angels don't play this heart long a lot of other things and so he's a you know, he's a veteran
In that I guess the same sense That I am
He's watched all of this develop very carefully, and here we are.
Yet again, Dr. Begich, welcome to the program on a night when, uh, a major hurricane is approaching the shores of the United States.
Yeah, well, it, you know, it's, um, you know, the, uh, time of extremes in terms of, of weather and climate, and I think, You know, we've been talking about this now for, well, at least a decade, you and I. It's continued to meet our expectations, no matter how bad they might be.
And unfortunately, this is just another reflection of some of those expectations a lot of us have had.
All right, Doctor.
I'm going to remind you to stay good and close to the phone so we can have a good connection.
Let's go back.
Let's just spend a few minutes and talk about HAARP.
A lot of people... In fact, let me go back to last hour and ask you a question.
If a person now imagines or speculates that the weather is being in some way manipulated, would you classify that person as A crackpot?
Or being out on the fringe of thinking?
I would not at all, because there's plenty in the scientific literature, and there's even a couple bills pending in Congress on this whole issue of weather modification.
It's been around a long time.
It continues to come up.
It's just not one that's widely discussed, at least not in mainstream media, except on real rare occasions.
You know, that's a problem.
You know, there's actually a treaty on weather modification and geophysical manipulation, which is things like creating tidal waves and earthquakes and those kinds of things, that goes back to the mid-70s that we ratified back in 1977.
So, I mean, the idea of creating these events has been around certainly long enough.
So there's a treaty saying that we, nor others, shall do such a thing.
However, treaties are not always specifically adhered to, are they?
No, in fact, this one, like many, actually allow for domestic use, so if you can somehow assert Experimenting within the boundaries of your own sovereign country, the treaties generally don't apply.
I see.
That includes chemical and biological treaties, and this treaty as well.
Well, and even beyond that, who can say that all will adhere to the treaty?
I mean, if somebody actually comes up with a way to control the course of a hurricane, or weather in general, number one, they're not going to talk about it.
Right?
Well, generally no, but, you know, the last three Secretaries of Defense have all suggested we, you know, abrogate or dump the old treaty dealing with environmental manipulation because we've advanced in this area.
So, you know, they don't talk a lot about it, but just enough to kind of keep that discussion going.
And, you know, we did that with the ABM Treaty once, you know, we came up with other concepts and missile defense and rationales for having.
Yes.
Alright, let's talk a little about HAARP.
Go back and talk a little bit about HAARP.
It's located in your state.
Right.
And I don't know how far... where is it in Alaska?
It's about 250 miles northeast of Anchorage in a near place called Gokona.
And it's a... started out as a 48 antenna field phased array field.
These antennas are about 72 feet tall and then have a cross Diapole going the opposite direction at the top.
Now there's 180 in the array as of this year.
Oh really?
A lot more going on.
Yeah, they've quadrupled it basically over the last two years.
So this year will be the first time they've been able to power it up.
How interesting is that?
So when you say powered up, they're going to be aiming how much radio frequency at the ionosphere?
Well, you know, the original goal, they wanted an effective radiated power of a billion watts.
And that, from what we understand, that would take the full array, which is 360 antennas.
So this would get them about halfway there.
You know, that's a huge amount of energy.
But what's different about this is by manipulating the energy or pulsing the energy, it capitalizes on energy that's already available naturally within the environment.
And then based on how that energy reacts with the uh... mechanism on the ground you can release vastly larger
amounts of energy and direct that energy
uh... and that's where the real action harper's sort of like uh... primer on a
bullet it's got uh... the little small amount of energy to release the much
more powerful uh... energy that's already there and that's kind of the
idea of a line this weather modification and geophysical alright so we have
this is where most antennas uh... like the one year
of the radio station you're listening to right now folks radiate from a point and widely disperse the signals so
that everybody or as many people as possible can hear it
right harp operates the other way around right it begins as a wide signal on the
Right.
ground narrowing down to a virtual pinpoint of incredible amounts of energy to
burn a hole in the atmosphere or war ionosphere or what doctor
Now, let's talk about the purpose of HAARP, the stated purpose of HAARP, and then perhaps that which is unstated but kind of known.
Yeah, okay, that's fair enough.
Alright, so what's it for?
What's it supposed to be?
Well, the old term for these was ionospherecaters, and you kind of alluded to that opening this up, as it would heat an area of the ionosphere, which begins about 30 miles above the Earth's surface.
Push that area, say the 30 mile diameter area, shove it out maybe a couple extra hundred kilometers or more.
What then happens is lower atmosphere moves in and fills that space and can be used for intersecting of the orbit of a low-orbiting satellite, for instance, that encounters atmosphere.
So wait a minute, the ionosphere at 30 miles, you're saying, right?
Yeah.
And it hits it so hard, it bulges out and then like a balloon sort of pops and then you can hit things in space or affect them?
Well, in low orbit.
So what happens is objects that might be incoming, even space debris, that's one of the things the Soviets pointed out in some of their research, was that the idea of Incoming objects that, when they hit the atmosphere, you know, they mostly burn up and you've got about 30 miles to do this.
In the case of these systems, you could actually project trajectories and push it out maybe 210 miles, say, or seven times the distance and be able to take care of much larger objects.
Or, for weapons applications, low-orbiting satellites that don't need encounter friction.
One of the side effects of that is pressure systems below or jet streams in the vicinity below that then become altered by virtue of the fact that, you know, you've changed the conditions to a pretty dramatic degree.
So again, let's go back, the stated purpose of HAARP is, I didn't know it was knocking satellites out of the sky.
Well, one of the things that shows up within the stated goals in the initial papers on the project, the others are communications, you know, interfering and facilitating our own communications, being able to understand You know, the character of the ionosphere and being able to establish and manipulate its character, and the idea there was for communication purposes you could disrupt everybody else's communication, but because you're propagating the signal that's doing that, you'd be able to carry a signal that would allow your own communication.
Okay, well this may not bear on what we're talking about, or maybe it does, but right now, you know, actually going on for some time now, going back to Katrina, You know, people in the hurricane area were saying, you know, communications are being jammed here.
But actually, Dr. Biggish, they weren't being jammed.
Communications were, the ionosphere simply was so screwed up!
And I'm telling you, it's screwed up right now.
As we speak, this moment, as this hurricane approaches, the ionosphere is virtually deader than a doornail at three megahertz.
I mean, it's just astounding.
It's just, if you look at the x-ray chart right now, it's flatline, baby.
Flatline!
And communications are not possible, so they're incredibly disrupted.
I also had an email earlier saying HAARP was actually active today.
Did you hear that?
Yeah, you know, the problem is with the monitoring of HAARP is it's not being done routinely and reliably from what I can see, and that's been a problem.
But, you know, when you talk about energetic disturbances in the ionosphere and then weather effects and the connection between all these systems, the thing that kind of underlies all of it It's the energetic component.
You know, even what you were saying last hour about viruses, you know, mutation on viruses occurs often as a starting point changes in the general energy state that surrounds different things change their way they're constructed and the way they're formed.
And a good friend of mine, an electrophysiologist from Europe, predicted some years ago that with changes in the electromagnetic fields of the planet, you would see New strains of viruses and so on start to show up because of mutations.
So that, you know, kind of makes sense.
And when you look at, you know, man sort of adding in coherent energy in very unique ways and being able to take sort of the dynamo of the planet by being able to manipulate the magnetic field lines, which is really what HAARP is all about, and programs like HAARP are really all about are understanding ways to do that.
for weapons applications and then there's all kinds of...
Is that actually is that actually stated in the goals, doctor? Yeah, it's
the idea of manipulating the ionosphere to destabilize it, to create chaos within
the system, see how it restabilizes, being able to learn
ways to propagate signals through the ionosphere.
But wait a minute.
That's taking a system like our ionosphere and saying, hey, let's screw it up and see how it manages to heal itself.
Well, exactly right.
Exactly right.
Exactly right.
In fact, you know, how bright is that?
That's not very bright.
You know, that's why we've been, you know, fighting this thing for as long as we have.
And, you know, the European Parliament weighed in on it back in 98, the Russian doom in 2002.
And it continues, you know, to kind of surface here and there, even in the late... recently, September 30th this year, there was a story in Pravda dealing with HAARP, and there was another one in the Hindustan Times the same day this year, you know.
So it shows up, but it's just not being really looked at in the way that I think it should be, with some real serious treaty dialogue, because the risks When you look at what's happening across the planet for natural reasons, what we're adding into that mix right now is very, very dangerous.
You know, and you've got a lot of history within the United States of looking at these types of systems as something that might be desirable in terms of weapons applications.
You know, and then you've got, there's a quote that we actually published back in 2000, and it was from a A conference on terrorism and weapons of mass destruction, a U.S.
strategy.
It was from April 28, 1997, and it was a DOD press briefing with Secretary of Defense William Cohen, and he said, and I quote, others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter climates, set off earthquakes and volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves, unquote.
Tesla stuff.
Yeah, you know, I mean really.
But think about this.
Here's a Secretary of Defense saying, hey look, you know, these are the weapons of mass destruction you'd be concerned about back in 1997 when he made that statement.
You know, and then you look at... So you've got to wonder where we are now.
I mean, even with HAARP, Dr. Rage, let's think about this.
HAARP is going to take a lot of money.
It is taking a lot of money.
And so, now they're at sort of a medium stage in terms of the power and the antennas, but they're still going forward.
Now, if nothing was happening In a encouraging way.
If nothing, for example, had happened by now with HAARP, to encourage them to know that they're being successful in whatever the hell they're trying to do, they would have stopped the money.
But they're going forward.
DARPA's got it now.
It's not even the Air Force and Navy.
Oh, DARPA has it now.
When did that happen?
That was about a year and a half, two years ago.
DARPA took it over and it was at the same time that Raytheon sold the underlying A company which owns the patents to the technology.
That alone is astounding.
DARPA has taken over the HAARP project.
How totally?
They run it.
It's their deal.
It's their deal.
And the thing about that is, it's interesting, beyond that subject, is the guy that runs DARPA is a guy named Tony Tether.
Tony Tether?
Yeah, he's the director of DARPA, and he was the first person Um, after the Assistant Secretary of Defense that Bernard Eastland presented his concepts on HARP2 in the very... Remind everybody of what DARPA stands for.
Ah, it's Defense Agency Research, I forget exactly, but it's a research group for the DOD, the Department of Defense, and they do essentially the The black projects are highly classified.
Black projects?
Once projects go to a certain extent.
Exactly!
So, Doctor, then what are we to infer or imagine when DARPA turns this over?
I mean, what does that probably mean?
Well, several things.
You know, they did a few things that we know they were able to accomplish.
The earth-penetrating tomography application, the idea of looking into the earth, X-raying the Earth by analogy.
Now, folks, this is where they bounce a signal off the ionosphere so damn strongly it comes down and examines the inner Earth somehow.
That's an amazing thing by itself.
Yeah, and it's not a lot of energy.
It's just the frequency.
It's, again, an extremely low frequency signal.
It penetrates easily, but they can measure it and get a really good profile of what's going on for several kilometers deep.
The other thing that, you know, this application of missile defense is where we always have said this is eventually going.
I still believe that with HAARP.
When you think about being able to, this has some applications for over-the-horizon radar, being able to look around the curvature of the Earth by creating what are called ionospheric mirrors.
And without getting into all of that, but just the idea of being able to do that, But then, increasing the energy sufficiently to create what's called an EMP, or an Electromagnetic Pulse, or a surge of energy, to knock out the electronics on those incoming objects.
And, you know, they, I don't know, they've followed this missile defense nonsense.
They're building these interceptors up here, putting them in the ground in Alaska.
And I'm laughing because it's, you know, another couple billion dollars down the drain, because this is a very impractical solution, when in fact the real solutions are going to be Energy-based weapons that literally travel at the speed of light, not some horse-drawn buggy of a missile interceptor.
That's not the way it's going to work in the long run.
And I think the literature supports that.
And when you look at HAARP, HAARP was this idea of taking and looking at how you could manipulate energy for lots of different uses.
It's happening virtually as we speak or within the last hours of when we're speaking.
So it's active and doing whatever it's doing.
And now we learn that HAARP is now under the auspices of DARPA.
Isn't that an interesting surprise?
Something that started out as sort of a, oh I don't know, a seemingly very innocent research project.
Has now been turned over to DARPA.
And DARPA, besides having a lot of black projects, it gets involved in all these things that really do something.
So, we should conclude, I think, that HAARP really does something.
We'll talk more about it in a moment.
The measurement of x-rays, when we look at ionospheric phenomena, the x-rays hitting
the earth is almost like the patient died.
If you look at the chart, it's just absolutely flat-lined, and the shortwave bands, mostly right now, are next to useless.
Now, I'm not saying that it's doing it, but gee!
Isn't it reasonable to have a suspicion something burning holes in the ionosphere and trying to affect the ionosphere, perhaps, as you pointed out, in a negative way, is doing it?
Yeah, yeah.
It's certainly absolutely plausible.
You know, one of the advantages of these systems, as they are discussed in the military literature, is the idea of plausible deniability.
You know, the idea of affecting weather systems or affecting communication systems.
And then, you know, being able to blame it essentially on space weather phenomena or other phenomena.
Really, a lot of what this is about.
But at the same time, you know, sort of the understanding of one thing leads to another.
And unfortunately, with this facility and facilities like it, huge risks are taken on because you can affect something in one area and have a dramatic and unforeseen Let's talk about that a little bit.
Huge risks.
Now, that's a big phrase.
Huge risks.
Now, who is being put at a huge risk?
Well, everyone is, at some level.
I mean, because here's the thing.
If you trigger instabilities, you know, by manipulating energy within the planet itself, and you trigger instabilities that maybe otherwise wouldn't be released in the same way, say, in an earthquake fault zone, and this is some of the stuff that Cohen was talking about, you know, the idea that You know, if you look around earthquake regions, you know, there's been this recording of low-frequency signals surrounding earthquakes and even volcanic eruptions.
And then there's, you know, certain ionospheric phenomena that are connected to weather systems.
There's a lot of things that start to connect all these energetic systems together.
And so when you start inputting energy in a much different form, in one end expecting one result, you may get many other results you don't anticipate.
And that's where the risks lie.
The Earth-penetrating tomography application, this idea of looking into the Earth, utilizing essentially the effects of resonant energy that goes through, easily transits the Earth, easily reflects a signal back, but at the same time could set up standing waves that trigger An increase in energy through a resonance effect that actually caused an earthquake.
Alright, Doctor, who is overseeing the scientists who are taking these risks?
Who is the overseer to ensure that we don't take a crazy risk?
Well, that's the problem.
Really, because you have DARPA in control of the overall project, you have Lots of, you know, innocently so, in many cases, contributing scientists that are developing some narrow part of this research and understanding of this research.
So there's nobody to tell the DARPA guy not to pull the third switch?
Right.
And, you know, when you think about it, some of the references in the literature, the military's own literature, refers to this as sort of the plasma lab in the sky because of what they can do with it.
And, you know, some of us, you know, kind of look at that a little differently because of how important this is.
I mean, for some of the weapons applications, the idea of sending energy up and using the magnetic field lines of the planet itself as sort of wave guides is one of the applications for missile defense systems.
And so, you know, that changes its very character.
And, you know, there's things going on within the Earth that are already being noted.
Pole shift, as an example, is a reflection of magnetic field line changes.
Here we are dumping more energy into a disturbed system.
A very good point.
Could something like this be the trigger for a pole shift?
Sure.
Why not?
You know, here's the thing.
The straw on the camel's back.
And that's what so many people are looking at to already stressed systems.
You know, when you talk about the energy of hurricanes, as an example, that's a tremendous amount of energy involved in the generation of hurricanes but the mechanism has to do with ocean temperature heating and the relations between ocean temperature and the way weather fronts form and currents move but when you start to look at factors on the planet right now contributing to the effects of global warming or effects on these systems you know there's claims have been made going back to an article in the wall street journal in nineteen ninety seven it was um... it was november thirteenth they were talking about blowing out
of the smog coming into Asia from the Indonesian fires with a artificially created cyclone the Russians off.
That's right.
I mean, why should anyone discount what the Wall Street Journal's reporting as plausible science?
And not just them, but you look at the military's own papers on the subject of what they call owning the weather or controlling the battle space in this way.
You know, and it's about both communications and And about the actual manipulation of the weather system.
Let's talk about manipulation for a second.
One might observe, Doctor, that if we are presently manipulating the weather, We're really doing a rotten job, because look at what's happened this year.
Hurricane after hurricane after hurricane.
If we could move them, you'd think we'd have done it.
Yeah, and you know, here's the thing about all that, and there's been a lot of speculation about, you know, what's going on with weather systems, but what is happening on kind of an ad hoc basis is this sort of experimentation within the boundaries of these treaties, but, you know, the idea is you can't Localize weather to political boundaries, because weather flows where the currents go, and that has nothing to do with lines we draw on a map.
Now, a sensitive question.
Do you suppose, Doctor, that if they felt they had it within their power, with HAARP or whatever else they've got up their sleeves these days, to increase or manipulate the size or intensity or even direction of a hurricane, that they would Would they go ahead and do it?
Would they take the risk?
Would there be nobody there to say, no?
Well, let me put it this way.
When you start looking at all these kinds of technologies, you can go back to some of the writings of guys like Zbigniew Brzezinski, when he wrote Between Two Ages, and he talked about weather manipulation.
He was National Security Advisor to President Carter later in his career.
In the early seventies, you know, he basically said, look, you know, all these things were going to come about, whether modification issues were in that as well as, you know, a lot of other technologies that have eventually come to pass.
But, you know, he said basically the temptation to use them, you know, would probably outweigh any good sense.
The temptation to use them would outweigh any good sense.
Yeah.
And that's, I'm paraphrasing a bit, but you know, the, the idea of these technologies being utilized, I mean, there's a lot of salivating in military circles about controlling a battle environment.
Think about waging a, It's a covert war where you either create drought conditions or flooding conditions for sustained periods of time and the effect on populations.
And you can see the advantage of being able to do that when you want to wage a war without announcing it.
And our government's been fairly well known for that over the last...
You know, 50 or 60 years in any case.
Well, do we even have... Do we have any idea of how far we've come?
I assume that if there were weather modification technologies that are presently working, we wouldn't say one word about it.
So we don't really know how far we've come.
There's been this great giant silence about this.
We just don't hear about the black projects that are trying to control the weather.
So we have no idea.
How far they've come or haven't, right?
No, we can only, you know, we can only see the tip of the iceberg, because there's only small references.
I mean, there's one paper, it's called, Weather as a Force Multiplier Owning the Weather by 2025.
Right.
You know, that's an Air Force document.
There's, you know, there's other references that can be pointed to, you know, that really kind of lay a foundation.
But the idea, you know, and then you look at the legislation, there's a Senate Bill 517 and a House Resolution 29.
95 and both are to establish weather modification operations and research board in the United States, and this is for looking at civilian and military applications of weather modification.
Well I was, you know, I mean if you look at the recent hurricane damage, we have been damaged probably beyond the wildest expectations of any terrorist out there right now.
Sure.
I mean they couldn't have done a better job.
Right, exactly.
So, could this be being used against us?
Is there the possibility, for example, that other countries have not been so much adhering to this treaty, and they've plowed ahead, and they've caused some of this?
Sure, and the other part of it is not everybody signed on.
There's only 60 countries.
What about the Chinese?
No, I don't know that they are signed on, actually.
I know the Russians are.
But the point is, when you start talking about weather modification, there's somebody who blamed the Russians in the case of Katrina, and they got all offended by it.
But at the same time, they acknowledged their own program.
Somebody did blame the Russians?
Yeah, it actually came out.
Some American meteorologist, Scott Stevens, actually did.
And Pravda then, you know, responded with a story in September 30th this year, 2005.
People can look it up.
And it's USA and Russia supposedly developed secret meteorological weapons.
American meteorologist Scott Stevens.
And they respond, Pravda responded.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it was, you know, it was a story.
And what is it?
No, we didn't, or what?
Yeah, it was kind of like that.
And it was saying, you know, that it was referencing back to, you remember, Zaranofsky talking about these really wild weapons that they had that they could create floods in America and do all this stuff by just changing the gravitational fields of the planet slightly.
This is exactly what proved a quote within this article, which is exactly the kind of stuff that we're talking about when we're talking about HAARP, is you're manipulating it slightly, but that slightly has a It's the butterfly effect, if you will.
A small input, big output.
That's the whole thing about HAARP, isn't it?
It's small.
Isn't that exactly what they intend with HAARP?
A small, relatively small input, and then a spreading domino effect or whatever you want to call it.
Right, but it's actually using kind of the equation I think we used it once.
I've talked about this.
It's like dominoes stacking them up from wherever you are all the way to Paris.
You may increase them in size a little bit each time, so by the time you get to Paris, you've got one the size of the Eiffel Tower, and you can kind of flick the first one with a half an ounce weight, you know, and then by the time it gets to the Eiffel Tower, you know, you've crushed the Eiffel Tower with this giant domino.
Now, it wasn't a little half-ounce weight that got discharges to gravitational energy that got picked up along the way.
So think about Harp is picking up energy from the ionosphere along the way, if you will, and then being able to manipulate that for very specific uses. Now that's where you get this incredible multiplier
effect because the ionosphere has more energy potential than everything generating on the
planet at once.
Well, Doctor, do you remember in many previous programs, HAARP was originally kind of more
of an open... What's the way to put this?
That's what they said, but remember, how many times have they taken up the invitation to come on and have a chat about it?
True, true.
Now, since then, it has become far blacker, now finally in DARPA's hands, for goodness sakes, and what do you think the odds are now of getting any viable, real information out of them?
Pretty much slim and none, huh?
But here's what shows up.
This is interesting.
Some of the other branches of the military occasionally, in trying to justify their programs, have made reference to HAARP.
For communication disruption, there's something that shows up in the Army literature.
There's something that shows up on Army literature dealing with weather modification, as an example.
There was a follow-on paper done by Dr. Eason, the inventor of the HAARP system, For the European Space Agency on knocking out the energy in tornadoes and then also one done using HAARP systems for that and then one done for NASA and FEMA, interestingly enough, a few years back for knocking out the energy in tornadoes using a laser or space-based system for accomplishing the same kind of thing by being able to manipulate heat energy
As the basic mechanism behind, you know, how that sort of shearing action of tornadoes is created.
Yes, doctor.
Well, we have the Russian boast now.
Do you think that, what do you think about that boast?
I mean, they said they could create a cyclone and that was years and years ago.
Yeah.
I think they could do it by satellite.
Now, how do you imagine they might do something like that?
Well, you know, I think, I think they have figured out, you know, how to, how to trigger those kinds of instabilities to create heat.
releases within the ocean sufficiently to generate those kinds of events.
And that's really what it's about, I think.
Maybe, doctor, enough to create a low-pressure system, or to start, you know, a low-pressure system begins, you know, very innocently, and before you know it, then it's a tropical depression, and then it's a hurricane, and then it's killing people and causing billions of dollars of damage.
Now, do you think that concentrated energy, for example, In the Eastern Caribbean somewhere could actually create a tropical condition of, you know, begin to lower the millibars and start this butterfly effect that ends up, you know, in these monster storms.
Yeah, I think perhaps.
And, you know, at the same time, I think adding energy into an already existing system is possible.
And, you know, this creates other kinds of problems.
And, you know, when the Earth is already demonstrating a huge instability and then you start adding in the kind of energy in the forms that we're talking about... Yes.
That's where the real risks are.
I mean, you may be looking at a storm front and dealing with a problem they're attempting to, and might in fact trigger some other unexpected event.
And this is where, you know, we're trying to literally manipulate systems now that have tremendous impact on humankind, and we're capable of doing it, but we don't have the capability of modeling the whole system and understanding clearly the consequences of those actions.
And that's why the military shouldn't be in this business at all, in my view, because it's not a Opportunity for legitimate scientists from other disciplines across the board to take a look and make sure things are being done, if they're being done at all, safely.
And there's some applications of Eastland's ideas with these ionosphere heaters that isn't even being looked at, that actually might be the most interesting of all.
And one of them was actually creating chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere that would knock out specific pollutants using radio frequency energy, or adding in ozone By triggering the kind of reactions necessary for that.
So there could be an upside to this research?
Who knows?
Even they don't know!
Right!
And the problem is, they've never had the ability to do what they can do with radio frequency energy, such as HAARP.
And there's this big gap between the sciences, primarily because of compartmentalization and military research, where one branch really doesn't suit the other's doing, Which, when you're dealing with big energy manipulations, that's where a whole lot of other scientists need to be involved, when it involves the entire planet's energetic system.
And that's the stuff of HAARP and some of the larger weapons technologies that are being developed today are energy-based systems that have potentially profound health Well, I'm still thinking about what you said earlier, the idea that, well, let's screw up the ionosphere and see if it heals itself, and how.
Well, the way they put it is, let's create a condition to where it goes into chaos and stabilizes at some other level, and see where that level is.
Let's create chaos.
Just to put the system in a chaotic condition and then see how it restabilizes when you switch the device off or manipulate it in some other fashion.
Well, if they really were after chaos, maybe they've got it.
Maybe.
And you know, here, this is one of the things that some of the other scientists have said, you know, that we've collaborated with over the years, is the idea that during times of extreme solar activity, And then you utilize a system like that, then you might even trigger some things that are even vastly more powerful, at the same time you're getting huge surges of energy, potentials coming into this, into our system anyway.
So we all should be very happy that there's an oversight committee looking into each one
of these things before they're done to make sure we don't make a mistake.
All right, correction to everything I just gave you.
It was all correct with the exception of the fact that winds are now 120 miles an hour.
In the latest advisory, winds have hit 120 miles an hour, so it's continuing to increase as it approaches the coast, about 50 miles or so from Key West.
This is a horrible scenario for Key West because the majority of the people in Key West did not evacuate.
And there's kind of a strange story there.
You know, the so-called conks are very hard-headed and they don't like to leave.
That's one.
And another is there's a grotto, a religious grotto on Key West.
And there was a nun who had promised that as long as the grotto remained that Key West would not feel the effects The major effects, or the direct effects of any more hurricanes, as long as the grotto remains.
So some people took that article, take that as an article of faith, and it looks like the very worst now is headed for Key West.
In fact, CNN has a reporter barely able to stand In Key West right now, as the worst part of the storm no doubt approaches, people are on their knees in order to remain in view of the camera.
So it's a pretty wild time, folks.
All this approaching our coast, we're talking with Dr. Nick Begich in Alaska, not very far from the project we're talking about, this HAARP project that sends beams of energy, radio frequency energy, into the ionosphere for a number of possible goals and uh... dr baggage i've got a note here you know i get these little computer fast blast as we go all right grand uh... this one is let me see who's it from uh... from wellington uh... phd at cambridge who says
The following is taken directly from the official government HAARP site.
The HAARP program is completely unclassified.
There are no classified documents pertaining to HAARP.
The Environmental Impact Process, EIP, documents have always been available.
Any response?
Well, the Environmental Impact Statement documents, I have a set of them and they really just deal with the ground disturbance.
They don't deal with What's going on with the energy itself, except in a pretty cursory way.
And that's the root of the, you know, of the underlying issue that's been raised by us, as well as many others from the scientific community, both in Europe and around the world.
And, you know, and it's been the idea that energy manipulations for these purposes should be restricted.
And, you know, and I agree with that.
and it's what the research is showing more and more is that very small amounts
of energy within certain window frequencies can trigger all kinds of
events both within our own physiology which is one of the big concerns as well
as actors triggering events for these kinds of geophysical
disturbances and it's you know it's not just
saying in fact it's not a saying at all we've just taken a huge amount of literature and in the course of
a look at that literature primarily the government's own work on their own
project and disclosing it what you see is a very complex system designed
for a number of purposes all of which are pretty exciting from a military
perspective.
Military perspective.
Doctor, a number of years ago, we began these series of interviews on HAARP and things like it.
How much access do you have now to be able to talk to people in the project itself and say, look, what are you doing?
Where are you?
And all the rest of that.
How have you done?
None in terms of being able to contact them directly and get that kind of information.
Ben Eastland, on the other hand, has maintained a dialogue with me and we continue that dialogue.
In fact, I'm hoping that, you know, as time goes on, we'll be able to, you know, talk a little bit more about some of the things that are coming out of his own papers.
What do you suppose the chances are of getting Eastland on the radio?
You know, this would be interesting.
You know, he actually, we've been kind of talking about that recently, because there are some things, you know, his secrecy agreements with ARCO expired a few years back.
And he's got, you know, a fair amount of information that's kind of interesting and compelling on the subject.
Why don't you ask him if he'd be willing to come on the program with you?
Well, we'll do it.
You know, I think that would be fun.
And actually, I think he might take us up on that offer and be the first time we've We've really done that.
You know, we recently did a piece, you know, Harp does this annual kind of dog and pony show open house here.
Yes.
So APRN, the public radio affiliate here in Alaska, actually did a segment with Ben and I. And afterwards, you know, we started talking about the possibility of Maybe collaborating and taking the rest of his information and getting it out in some fashion.
And radio was part of that discussion.
So I'll pursue that more seriously.
Please do.
I would absolutely love to do that program.
It will be a lot of fun.
Actually, I just think he just might be inclined to do it.
So I'll make contact with him and see what we can arrange.
What percentage of what he knows would you guess he'd be able to talk about?
Quite a bit, actually, because his agreements were corporate agreements, which had expirations, and the things he did with military projects he certainly can't get into.
And Ben Eastland, Dr. Eastland, has a big background in working in military projects going back to the Department of Energy days in the 1950s, so he's been around A long time, but I know he's been working on some applications in the area of weather modification that he thinks are interesting and things that... Can you tell us anything?
I mean, obviously he's told you something, right?
Yeah, you know, the big concerns are, I can tell you, is from my conversation with him and with others, is that as they get up to the energy levels we're now starting to delve into, you know, you can really create some pretty dramatic Affects and you know the concern he has also is you know his work was done twenty years ago and intended design and efficiency and software design and efficiency and all of that has changed you know dramatically since then.
So when you, you know, kind of couple all this together... What has he specifically told you about weather modification?
That it's, you know, that certainly is possible.
Absolutely possible.
That it's possible.
With these kind of systems.
You know, in terms of Katrina, you know, I've had that discussion and... Oh?
I would agree with him that to create this with HAARP is probably unlikely.
Affecting it in some different ways is highly probable or possible.
But again, creating it because of the energy amount involved in Katrina is so huge.
And just what he knows of the physics of HAARP, it would be difficult to see how that could happen at this stage of the game.
Having said that, you know, being able to affect its energy density or affect other systems that might impact it, that's a whole other matter.
And I think that's where we could have some pretty interesting discussions.
Again, though, you would imagine that he would be perhaps privy, in at least a general way, in the way this...
The technology is being applied right now, and not all of it could be talked about.
I'd almost be willing to bet.
Right, but he's been out of a lot of those projects where he can pretty much, based on his own experience within programs, he may not be able to comment on those, but you can pretty well predict the state of the technology based on what's happening in your field.
You know, Ben Eastland's no slouch.
Exactly.
You know, he's a very good physicist, and I think he's got a lot of integrity.
You know, over the years, as we've gotten to know Dr. Eastland, you know, he was interested in this project for all of the right reasons, as a scientist and inventor.
The problem has become, and I think he would be the first to say it, and he does in fact say it in many of his papers since, is the lack of generalists, or at least uh... sort of the overview of your client is everyone so
specialized that no one really considers
uh... perhaps the implications of their own science against what else could be
doing and that's the case of these high energy systems used for
uh... all of the application of the car right now well that that's where electro physiology even
though we we don't know doctor i i can honestly tell you that uh... a lot of ham
operators out there are going to walk the hell is going on
They really are.
With communications, it's that bad.
That's the ionosphere.
Something weird and bad is happening.
Then we look at the weather, we look at the viruses, and you begin to put the whole picture together, along with Global warming.
For example, Doctor, if you look south to the calving icebergs, and look north to the lack of ice, and look at the last 40 or 50 years of polar region change... And I've watched it personally.
Yes, it's startling.
Yeah, and it actually goes back even further.
You know, the problem is that these Arctic regions haven't been populated so widely, and things track for very long periods of time, at least in this part of the world and in northern Siberia and so on.
But when you look at sort of what happens, you know, with the Arctic ice sort of pulling back, it creates larger areas of open water that then retain heat more efficiently, that then cause permafrost to melt on land, that then cause, you know, Methane gas, another greenhouse gas, is to be released, which then accelerates the whole cycle.
Yes.
And we're experiencing that here, and it's been going on quite a long time.
If you go back, I mean, the area I'm standing in, right where I'm standing, less than a couple thousand years ago, were many thousands of feet of ice above my head.
I mean, that's, you know, that's not very long ago in geologic time.
And when you look at, you know, what's happening in the Arctic regions, it's literally the canary in the cave.
Uh, because things are amplified in the Arctic and the Antarctic, and that's where you're seeing the big effects of...
Whatever's going on in climate change.
Well, Doctor, the last time I was in your area, last time I was in Alaska, the tour guide was just saying some amazing things.
This is years ago now, and they were saying the permafrost is melting in your state, and trees are starting to die, and weird things are beginning to happen because of all these changes going on in Alaska.
You're kind of like on the edge there between the real cold stuff up north and here, so you're kind of in that area that's going to be most affected by a minor change, right?
Right, exactly right.
And the ocean temperatures here, not in the El Nino cycles, but in the opposite periods, have actually increased in temperature in some years by 5 to 15 degrees, which is, you know, when you talk about ocean Temperature changes, they start getting real concerning.
Talk about one degree change on the average.
But the averages are over the whole planet.
The polar regions are where those averages are amplified.
And so, you know, that's a huge change in terms of what happens here.
And then as the oceans are the engine for weather and jet stream flows, all of that then gets affected.
And so, you know, you've got other factors that aren't even considered.
We wrote some years ago, back in the late 90s, Proposal that perhaps some of the problems with the El Nino and the climate change cycle were directly related to undersea venting and volcanics, you know, because most of the world is covered by the oceans and they've mapped in the South Pacific alone, you know, I believe it's now 1,200 volcanoes that exist under the seas.
And so, you know, energy that gets released in that way is retained, 100% is absorbed in the ocean.
You try and heat something from the surface, you know, A flashlight.
I mean, the temperatures of the oceans are such that they're stratified based on temperature.
Warmer areas stay close to the surface.
Doctor, the natives of your state, how are they being affected by these?
These are pretty radical changes in your area.
So what's going on with the natives in Alaska?
How's it dramatically, you say?
Yeah, we have like 60 coastal communities that are disappearing.
We have one area where one of the elders recently was quoted as remembering in the last 30 years where he had about three to four miles ...of marshland and lakes between him and the ocean.
Now he has a few feet to his door.
You know, and these... Really?
This area, because of the extreme changes in climate and the opening of the oceans, really have created some pretty profound changes.
When you look at the Arctic slope, they've taken images from high-flying aircraft and satellite images for decades, and comparing those images show changes in the vegetation footprint.
We have bees on the North Slope.
There's no...
Word for that kind of insect up there, you know, in the native tongues, because they didn't exist.
You know, I mean, we've had and are having a significant change in climate in Alaska that will have and is already having a profound effect on the rest of the planet, along with all of the Arctic regions.
Well, here's the thing, Doctor, if I were Let's say President of the United States or some other powerful country and I observed what was going on globally I would be no doubt concerned and I would turn to my advisors and say look
It's like UFOs.
To your advisors, look, do we have the ability to control or change what appears to be a terrible situation bearing down on the planet on which we live?
So can we do anything about it?
Is there anything, any way to affect what seems to be happening?
I would ask my advisors.
Now, I'm sure that's happened, Doctor.
Absolutely.
HAARP would be one of the areas they might look Yeah, absolutely.
And, in fact, when you start looking at, you know, what are the contingencies, the military is charged to plan for kind of every contingency that might create insecurity within the country, and certainly, you know, climate change, I think, is the biggest security issue on the planet right now.
Real high on the list.
Yeah, I mean, because you're jeopardizing food security and production security when, you know, you can debate until the cows come home, and they will.
Whether it's man's fault or nature's fault, but that debate should be laid aside and recognized.
The change is here, and it's not reversing.
We've been saying it for well over a decade.
Amen on that one.
They've got to stop arguing about what it is, doing it, and begin reacting to reality.
This obviously is underway.
This is a very serious change underway.
Yeah, absolutely.
And when you start looking at all of that, It's not really a time for, you know, closed to the public experimentation with the very systems that are driving what is happening.
And, you know, here's the thing.
These things don't reverse like overnight.
You know, this cycle is a cycle that even if you assume that man was fully responsible, you shut everything down today, You've got a hundred years to wait to catch up.
But Doctor, you can't talk about it.
If you so much as officially discuss the possibility of weather control manipulation, then people immediately begin to think that you, well, are eliminating.
And we've had such a bad time of it.
The liability would be so astronomical, the potential liability.
People sue things for anything.
There are other people for anything these days.
So the liability would be so astounding, you could never Ever say a word about it.
Never.
And you have to look at this as, you know, doing this kind of activity.
If it may have this downstream effect you don't expect, you may solve, say, your own crop failure problem one year and cause somebody else's crops to fail.
You know, if that was us on the other end of that equation, we'd consider that an act of war, I'm sure.
I'm sure we would.
You know, and that's again where you start to look at You know, we may get a certain advantage for ourselves, but create a huge problem for someone else.
I don't think that's the answer.
I think, you know, really, when you start looking at it, the recognition of these are periodic shifts for whatever reason.
You know, I mean, 4,000 years ago, for goodness sake, the last mastodon left Alaska.
You know, that's not very long ago.
No, it isn't.
And, you know, we've seen climate change result in profound implications historically.
But I think it's more complex than what we're seeing.
Well, Dr. Iyer, look, human beings, you said it yourself, you know, we're used to thinking
in terms of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of years for these
changes to occur, but in our lifetimes, it seems as though we're seeing many more profound
changes than we should ever see in a human lifetime.
This has got to mean something big.
Yeah, exactly right.
And that's exactly the point.
The curve on all of these areas, if you look at all the kinds of signals, whether it's Shifts in the magnetic pole, accelerating, or whether it's earthquake or storm intensity increasing, or whether it's any of these energy releases, they're all got the same sharp spike on the curve and that's where
You go, wait a minute, how much more can this planet take, and what are we adding into it that might disrupt it?
And then you add on to that these viruses, emerging viruses that we have, and it kind of forms a totality of a picture, if you want to put it all together.
Maybe it's wrong to put it all together, but it's almost irresistible, isn't it?
The outer wall of the Hurricanes now passing through Key West so
Just an incredible night at the end of an incredible hurricane season
And so I think it's a natural thing that people are going to wonder about the kinds of things that we're talking about tonight, Dr. Biggage.
Mike in Auburn, Washington.
Pretty far out question.
Says, controlling our sun certainly would control the weather, wouldn't it?
Ask Dr. Vigage if he knows anything about any experiments to try and control solar weather cycles.
That's solar weather cycles, which of course ultimately would control the weather on Earth.
It might be one way to curb global warming, or I suppose exacerbate it, Doctor?
No, I don't think so.
You know, that's just...
I think not in the realm of possibilities that I know of anyway.
The idea of affecting the ionosphere is sort of affecting the secondary component of that.
We see that disturbance and we see the consequences of it.
Manipulate that, which is what systems like Harper about, and that becomes a much different game.
You know, you were talking before the break about the interference with radio ham operators.
You remember the Woodpecker signal back in the 70s?
Vividly.
Yeah, and you know, this is not the same problem, but the same result, and that was attributed to the old ionosphere heaters that existed in the former Soviet Union back in the 70s, which are the precursors to the current HAARP system.
The HAARP system It's just more powerful, more versatile, and capable, based on decades of science advancements in the areas that affect this area entirely.
Well, if I could get my hands on the person controlling the ionosphere right now, if in fact they are, I'd like to... Well, I'd not be happy with them.
Well, you know, there was a paper, you know, when we were debating, we were supposed to be actually debating NATO in the European Parliament in February of 98, and they wouldn't show up, On the story was that, you know, they didn't have any interest in ionospheric modification for any sort of weapons uses.
And so we opened that hearing, actually, with a document called Ionospheric Modification for Weapons Applications by NATO France.
That was an unclassified document, you know, and that went back to the mid and early 90s, you know, when that kind of discussion was happening within NATO.
And when you start to look at how important the ionosphere is to military systems, And if you start to think about military systems becoming highly vulnerable, the more they depend and become technologically dependent, the more the finer the circuits, the more easily disrupted by energy as a weapon in and of itself.
So when you start to think about energy as a concept, the way it's being embraced by military today, it's what they call the Revolution of Military Affairs, or RMA.
Which is this concept of getting away from the bullets and the bombs of the past and talking about manipulating energetic systems in ways that are perhaps even more devastating, but maybe more precisionly controlled.
So they actually refer to this whole area as controlled effects, which shows up in a June 2004 issue of Technology Horizons by the Air Force.
It's something put together by their Directed Energy Directorate.
Which deals with this whole area of manipulating environmental systems, hardware, software, and, in fact, human beings.
And when you start to look at the whole scale of where this technology is headed, of which HAARP is but a small part, and maybe a metaphor, you know, because of all the coverage it's gotten over the years for this entire advancement that's taking place in military science, that's quite risky at this point in time.
One application of HAARP has always been speculated to be some kind of mind control or some kind of control of human beings.
Right, and this goes back to, again, references by Brzezinski in Between Two Ages, the book he wrote while at Columbia University, and he was referring to J.F.
Gordon MacDonald's work, who was a geophysicist at UCLA, Who is a science advisor, incidentally, to President Johnson, and what he was suggesting is that if we could ever figure out how to electronically stroke the ionosphere in just the right way, we could return a signal to the Earth that would manipulate the behavior of human beings over large geographic areas.
And so, then you take that and you kind of look at, say, the work of José Delgado at Yale University, and he started by mapping the brain, and by the mid-80s he was using Radio frequency signals at 150th of what the Earth naturally produces.
Very small energy concentrations.
Well within the capability of HAARP, according to the HAARP planners.
Yes.
Are able to manipulate the behavior and brain chemistry of humans.
In what manner?
Well, taking them from, say, highly aggressive to very passive, as an example.
Um, by being able to affect with these external signals where the brain will actually entrain, will lock onto those external signals operating within what's called a window frequency.
And these are the, where the action is.
It's like, um, dialing through the radio tonight to get to this, uh, program.
You know, people got mostly static between the stations, but when they had resonance harmony between the transmitter and receiver, you got a nice clear signal and they got to hear our voices.
Well, the same is true.
With every single thing that exists, you know?
And particularly living organisms.
And the understanding of that allows you then to manipulate the biochemistry of human beings or anything else, if you do it intentionally.
More importantly, what's happening today on the planet is accidentally.
Because you've got these huge interactions between electromagnetic fields and chemicals that we're introducing on it.
Increasing basis that are causing all kinds of problems.
There's no shortage of wars.
We're involved in one at the moment.
So if we had weapons that could control minds, would we not have already been using them?
Or maybe a better question is, have we already used them?
That's the better question.
And the answer is absolutely yes.
In fact, you know, if you go back, there was a report done going back to the seventies It was a presidential report on the Central Intelligence Agency, June 1976, where they actually slapped the CIA for their mind control experiments.
But when you look at more recent conflicts, the first Gulf War, when all those guys were surrendering en masse, there was a Scottish press report that came out after the war, something we had speculated on, saying that the most devastating weapon was an infrasound technology, where they Embedded signals on the radio broadcast, broadcasting the Muslim music and prayers in a way that created fear and panic in the population.
And when you look at what happened to the fourth largest army in the world, you know, it kind of makes a lot more sense than the excuses we've heard, which is bombardment, you know.
But think about dumping ordnance in London or any of the Well, I certainly do recall the astounding headlines that people, soldiers, were giving up in these massive, incredible, unreasonable numbers.
I mean, just giving up like crazy.
Do you think it was used?
Yeah, I do, actually.
You know, this device that they announced some years ago, this radio frequency dish that's mounted on a Humvee?
Yes.
And they talked about it for heating the surface of the skin and so on.
You know, that's all true and plausible, but if you look at the Radio Frequency Dosimetry Handbook, commissioned by the United States Air Force Science Advisory Board at the University of Utah, you can find out that by tuning that, by changing its frequency, waveform, pulse rate, or any number of perimeters, You can affect any vital organ of the body in a devastating way, causing heart attack in a crowd, for instance, or manipulating the lungs, liver, kidneys, etc.
And, you know, that's what they don't tell you.
As they introduce new technologies to the battlefield, they give you sort of a plausible story for why this thing is sitting there.
But the use of radio frequency energy, when you look at the research, is pretty astounding.
And in all three Of the books that we've written, there's over 1,350 sources cited.
The DVDs we've produced have the same kind of... Now let me ask you about the DVD.
What's the DVD?
What we did is we produced actually two of them.
One is the one on mind control, and it deals with this whole topic and kind of breaks down sort of the sinister side of what's happening and how that technology evolved, but then flipping that around, talking about some of the things happening In this area, from brain biofeedback to light and sound devices, you know, electroacupuncture, some of the things happening in energy science is pretty exciting, and we demonstrate a lot of that.
The other one is technologies of the 21st century, which is four subjects.
It deals with updates on HAARP, which people have asked for for a number of years now, so we try to do that in a good way.
Also, underwater sonars and their implications globally.
We get into that.
Cell phones, we get into a bit.
And then the privacy-related technologies show how those interconnect.
Doctor, do you have any private individuals that have been monitoring HAARP for you?
I would imagine you do, and so you probably know when HAARP is very active, don't you?
Well, from time to time.
I don't work with anyone consistently, and that's been a bit of a problem in terms of getting really good reports that are reliable on HAARP.
You know, what we've seen over the years, you know, again, they've continued to increase, the funding continues to flow, and when you look at what they've already demonstrated to get the existing funding, it's pretty amazing.
And the implications of it, you know, aren't, there's no stretching, it's just taking their own literature and collating it in a way where people can see it in one place.
And that's essentially what we've done on these technology areas, and I think that's These are the most important areas, I think, for us in this century, are going to be these very areas where we now have this unique capability as human beings of doing these things.
And the big question is, should we?
Should we be doing them?
And who is it who is asking those questions?
Well, that's the problem.
You know, the Air Force budget, their equipment budget alone, about 40% of it are for black projects that even the Congress doesn't even get to know what they're putting up the money for.
When you start throwing that kind of money, billions and billions, into these kinds of efforts without any oversight, bureaucracies decide.
And underlying government, you know, my dad was in the Congress for a while, and he was in state politics here in Alaska for a while, and the thing about it is Politicians come and go, bureaucracies sort of live forever.
And so at one level, these projects have advanced through Republican and Democratic administrations, and you kind of follow the trends that we have, and at the end is this very profound change.
In fact, the military published a document, we have it on one of the CD-ROMs that goes with the DVDs, and it's a revolution in military affairs, written by the U.S.
Army War College, and it's this document that sort of lays out How do you introduce all these technologies, you know, without people being really upset about it?
You know, because a lot of them infringe on personal privacy, liberty, and a lot of different ways.
Indeed.
And they said, through an environment of fear, this is written back in 1989, they said, in an environment of fear stimulated by international terrorism and international drug trafficking, Americans would, you know, forgo their traditional values in favor of this sense of greater security.
Safety, yes.
And so here we are, you know.
And, you know, you think about international terrorism, or terrorism generally in the United States, over, say, the last 15 years, and it may amount to 5,000 deaths, which is substantial among a number of Americans.
But when you compare that by, for instance, by... Highway deaths.
Highway deaths or medical malpractice, which killed in the same 15 years a million and a half Americans, according to Harvard, you don't see anything in the newspapers about that.
But the point is, It's all proportional risk.
You know, when you exist in an environment of fear, then all of a sudden certain things start going out the window.
And with technology advancing as rapidly as it is, you know, it actually doubles.
Well, I can tell you this, Doctor.
After this hurricane season, there are going to be a lot of people asking hard questions.
I'm not sure that they're going to get realistic answers and real answers, but I can tell you that it's been so bad that somebody's going to be asking questions.
They're going to be dissecting what's happened here.
And saying, you know, this is real, something very serious is going on, and maybe we'll, is there any chance we'll get any real answers?
Well, you know, here's my, you know, my sense of it, you know, lately, you know, we've gotten a lot of inquiries from around the world, you know, this issue has not gone away.
I think it then drives the inquiries that need to happen, and ultimately, you know, these systems affect everyone, you know, when you start talking about Not being able to do these things, and when you have people like the Secretary of Defense talking about it openly, that terrorists, I mean unsophisticated governments in terms of their science, are able to create these effects, I think it's time for people to be concerned.
And I think a lot of the work we've done over the years has been part of that process of educating politicians.
How do we express that concern?
Well, I think that, first, getting good information in front of political leadership always is helpful, and that's been part of our work.
In the last year, I've gotten supported in our research efforts by the Lay Foundation on Technologies, which is giving us a chance to take this a little bit further in terms of public education, and I think that's what we've really been about.
But Doctor, isn't this so easy to dismiss?
I mean, a person afflicted with a genuine mental illness, for example, frequently is seen to be putting up aluminum foil to stop the evil beams that are irradiating them.
Sure.
I mean, that's classic stuff.
Oh, you betcha.
And, you know, and that's why it's such a big hurdle to try and, you know, hop over to get political action on.
But I can tell you there's a clause in the European Parliament's resolutions, this comprehensive resolution on security disarmament, and it's the resolution A40005 forward slash 99.
This is right after the sections that we were able to get on HAARP, and we asked them to bring in this whole issue of non-lethals, and we demonstrated Infrasound technology, and here's what they wrote in the resolution.
It calls, in section 27, it calls for an international convention introducing a global ban on all developments and deployments of weapons which might enable any form of manipulation of human beings, unquote.
To get a political body to put that into this resolution, and it was the most comprehensive security and disarmament resolution, and this is but one small section of it, required a huge amount of evidence.
What we took with us was On HAARP and on non-lethal systems were three feet of documents, unclassified documents, that supported our positions over four trips to Europe at the invitation of the European Parliament.
And we took a working infosound device that literally transferred sound information into the nervous system where you could perceive that voice in the head.
And believe me, we had the European Parliament's attention.
And when those sections passed, they passed by the largest margins because we had a coalition of Greens, Social Democrats, and Conservatives.
Leading off with the Conservatives, Tom Spencer at the time was chairing the Foreign Affairs Committee.
Can you imagine being invited to give a similar presentation here with our political current circumstance?
Well, it would be, you know, I think it would be useful and, you know, hopefully one day...
Perhaps it would be, I'm not sure.
I'm saying, though, honestly, with the current political environment, can you honestly imagine... No.
No, I can't either.
Not in the U.S.
You know, we had it in our state legislature, and then our senior senator from Alaska, who's a very powerful man in Washington, decided he didn't want to see any more hearings, and there was a Republican majority in the legislature, and they decided they would listen to him, and we had one hearing, and the sad part was We had lined up to go to the follow-on hearing.
Dr. Easton was prepared to appear, and as long as ARCO would have waived at that time their privacy restrictions, she would have talked openly, and it would have put everyone on the spot about how open this project was.
That follow-on hearing didn't happen, but you know, as you said earlier, maybe we can get Dr. Eastland on and we can have that one on the radio.
I would be wonderful to have him on the radio and just sort of take hours and see if we can unwind him a little bit.
He's a really good guy, you know, and he's got a good way of explaining the science behind his ideas.
He's got a lot of good stuff.
Well then, Dr. Eastland, consider this an official invitation.
I'm sure that it'll be passed on to you.
I would love to have you on the program with Dr. Begich.
We'll do it.
I'll get hold of him.
We'll just spend several hours picking his mind.
It'll be fun.
It'll be fun.
And actually, you know, when you start to look at where all the science goes, and when you look at the interrelationships of the science, that gets pretty exciting.
And at the same time, You know, that's where all of this risk starts to show up.
And this is where, you know, European parliamentarians, when we demonstrated this infrasound technology, which, you know, groups like the Strategic Studies Institute in London and others have talked about, but no one ever demonstrated to a political body.
Believe me, it had a profound effect.
Alright, in just a very few moments, what we'll do is we'll invite the audience to come in.
So I'm kind of plastered to CNN watching the coverage of this happen,
and they've become very good at what they do in covering it.
So my kudos go out to CNN.
Their weather guy is superb, and they've just been doing a really good job.
So kudos to CNN.
My guest tonight, Dr. Nick Begich.
We're talking about something very much perhaps, I threw that caveat in, perhaps related, and that is The HAARP facility in Alaska, and I might add elsewhere.
Could they be in some way attempting to affect the weather?
And we would hope, optimistically, they would try to affect it for the better.
If so, then it hasn't been working out too well this year so far.
back to dr baggage and by the way your questions in a moment
the that is one of the sounds made by heart
Actually, we have quite a number here.
I've played these previously.
Recorded some number of months ago now.
Pretty strange stuff.
All going to the ionosphere.
Thought you ought to hear it.
We've got Dr. Nick Begich here tonight.
And, uh, that is weird, isn't it?
And we're, uh, we're about to turn him over to you.
That's, that's a classic one right there.
You're hearing harp.
Listen carefully.
Doctor, those are strange sounds, aren't they?
Yeah, you know, actually, In one experiment they played Wagner, you know, got the atmosphere to sing Wagner.
Did they really?
Yeah, this was done actually through the transmitter in Norway and it was reported on BBC TV when they did their story on these instruments and were disclosing sort of what's going on, you know, globally in this area.
They came to Alaska and did some filming and actually traveled literally around the world.
Okay, let me, for your sake, kind enough to come on here and tell us about all of this.
How do people order, if they wish to, your DVDs?
For example, on Mind Control?
Sure.
We have a toll-free I can give out on our website.
The toll-free is 888-690-1277.
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linked to uh... to coast to coast and tonight's people can go and check that
out and gives you a lot of information on our dvds and books and
publications as well as our lectures that we have scheduled already this year i'm
getting scheduled up for next year.
You know, a lot of good stuff there and a lot of information there, actually, on some of the topics we're covering tonight.
When you do lecture on HAARP, what generally is the reaction of the audience?
I'm sure you have people coming up to you after the lecture and talking to you.
Oh, yeah.
You know, we've lectured in 22 countries.
I've worked in a lot of different venues.
And, you know, in the course of that, we've met a lot of pretty interesting folks, both in and out of the sciences.
And I think that's been Perhaps some of the best of this.
You know, in our work in the European Parliament, I was approached by the technology advisor to Santor at the time, and was assured that they would look into this whole issue and report on it.
And actually what they did, is did a comprehensive report on energy generally, in terms of its effects on health and environment, and really began to look at this whole area, and then did quite a bit more Uh, in the area of non-lethal weapons, um, and creating policy standards there for NATO Europe, as well as a number of other areas where initiatives were taken, you know, partially from the information we provided in the networks we were able to connect with, uh, in Europe.
So lectures have been extremely valuable, uh, in getting this story out.
All right.
Here, here come, uh, some comments from my audience requests.
First time caller line, your turn with Dr. Nick Begichai.
Hello.
First time caller line.
Hello.
Yes.
Yes, Dr. Begich, it seems to me that you rarely mention the woodpecker grid system that the Soviet Union developed.
It went online in 1976.
He mentioned it earlier tonight.
Only when you had to pull it out of him, but the European Union wants to bring down HAARP.
All these countries want to bring down HAARP, but I think HAARP is the only thing that stands between the destruction of the United States And encountering harp.
Encountering woodpecker grid.
Yeah, well you know, the woodpecker we actually did mention even in the first publication of Angels Don't Play This Harp as the analogy.
Because the Russians were actually making overtures to the United States in the early 90s to jointly work on this exact kind of initiative using phased arrays for missile defense applications and other applications.
And we rejected it at the time.
And the reason we did is we were already advancing our own systems in that area, and really the Russians' overture was made for the lack of resources, I would guess, more than anything else, and an interest in collaboration for other reasons.
But yeah, absolutely, the Russians were sort of the leaders in the beginning of a lot of this.
When you talk about energy systems targeting human beings, you know, the microwave beaming at the U.S.
Embassy is the classic example of that kind of activity.
You know, what do you think would have happened had, I think it was Malaysia, taken the Russians up on their offer to create a cyclone?
What do you think would have happened?
Well, I think there were probably a lot of people shuffling around at that moment, you know?
You know, I think it may have created some problems.
I mean, because if they'd actually pulled it off and demonstrated that publicly, you know, that opens up a whole lot of discussion that perhaps some folks would rather not have right now.
I would think.
And when you see, you know, the last three sector defense alluding to this sort of reopening of the treaty and abandoning it, you know, it speaks volumes for where we're headed.
When you look at even the published materials, and there's not been a lot, but there's been some, the U.S.
Army's publication, you know, Potential Weather Modification Capabilities with an Air Force 2025 document, and, you know, they talk about, you know, all the kinds of things we've been talking about tonight.
And all of those are prohibited under an international treaty today.
Well, I just can't imagine anybody saying anything about it, Doctor.
I'll tell you something.
As a ham operator, it's well known that if you move into a neighborhood and you put an antenna or a tower up, everybody in the neighborhood who has any little flicker or disturbance on their television Or, their toast is overdone.
It's all the fault of that tower!
Yeah.
So, you know, I mean, if you look at HAARP, if they were to actually announce that they're able to affect weather in one way or the other, anything that went wrong, including a lot of things these days, right?
If you look at your television, they'd all be blamed on HAARP.
Absolutely.
And that's kind of, you know, when I said earlier, it's sort of a metaphor, because it happens every time there's a Tsunami, an earthquake, anything you know now, people want to blame this one system, and yet there are many technologies that have been spoken about in the open literature that could create the same kinds of effects.
It's really, when you think about it, it's maybe simpler than we imagine.
We were talking about Tesla in one of the earlier programs, and I have all of his published papers in English.
And when you read them, and you start to think about what that was all about, and what's really going on, is it was all about energy, oscillating energy fields, and manipulating them for very specific effects.
I've got a question for you.
I'm really, really interested in Tesla, of course.
And I guess I would like your view, if you've done all of that reading, Doctor, was Tesla Um, was he a mad scientist?
No, not at all.
I mean, obviously he was brilliant.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
But, you know, everyone who's brilliant that I've ever met is a little quirky too, so he wasn't exempt from that.
So, perhaps a little quirky, but right on the money, you think, with Oh yeah, I think his capacity for invention was pretty unique.
He could actually envision a design and testing of an apparatus and build it the first time, every time.
Well, if you separate Tesla myth from reality, if that's even possible, did he... Do you think he created earthquakes?
Do you think he shook buildings?
Do you think he did some of the wilder things that are attributed to him?
Yeah, actually I do, because really what he was doing is finding those points of instability that you could trigger using resonance as a basic ingredient in his whole thinking.
And it was oscillating fields, coherent energy fields, that he was able to manipulate and control for various effects.
And I think it's as simple as that.
That's why you start seeing these references in the open literature, because it is probably quite simple, and it's as simple as dialing the right station.
And you know what, in literally that way, and I think it's a matter of understanding energy and those relationships between the things you're trying to affect.
And when you look at oscillating energy fields and stuff at Tesla, which all of his work was about that, there's something else that shows up as these violations of the so-called rules of physics in terms of speed of light, and he gets these effects that sort of violate the rule.
And what I think he was manipulating were secondary effects, scalar effects, that were much more profound, and he understood that.
Well, here's something I'd like to know.
When he died, the government rushed in and confiscated all of his papers.
We all know that.
Since they did that, you would think that if they were relatively harmless, or crackpot theories, or I don't know, whatever, they'd be made public.
Now, what's become of all this stuff that we ran in and secretly grabbed up?
Well, some of it actually was, strangely enough, ended up back in Yugoslavia.
I don't know exactly what the mechanism was there, but then the bulk of it was just gone.
I mean, it's out of circulation.
Gone!
But when you look at what was published in English and German, it fills several volumes.
His patent record is pretty substantial.
And when you start to look at that, and if you read it, sort of take a look at all of it, and then start thinking about it in consideration of other fields of science he was interested in, You see a more complete picture of what he was about and what he was really about was, in fact, manipulating energy fields in very precise ways.
With the understanding that underlying all physical matter was energy in and of itself.
So what do you think we did with all these papers?
Did we shred them, burn them, lose them?
The Roswell things.
We lost all those records, right?
Right.
I think a lot of this, what you see in the open literature, is like the grain of sand on the beach of information.
We do a fairly good job of rooting out the documents that are public.
And, you know, I think there's probably a lot to be said for where military science is today, and it's probably much further along than most of us imagine.
And the advantages that show up when you start talking about weather modification is the advantages of waging covert wars, and the advantage of that in terms of of governments is huge in terms of what one government might consider possible.
Alright, well again, we've done a bad job this year because it's going to affect our gross national product that's been so bad.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich, hi.
Good evening Art and Dr. Begich, this is Blair in Sedona, Arizona.
Yes sir.
Hey, how are you doing?
Hi Nick, how are you?
I'm great.
Hey, I have a question and a follow-up if time allows.
Okay.
Oh, by the way, one possible solution, you know, for those intent on living in hurricane zones.
Earlier this month, I house-sat for one week in a solar and wind-powered 2,000-cubic-foot masonry dome, structurally sound, for 140 to 150 mile-per-hour sustained winds.
Right, Nick?
Very nice.
Yeah.
But anyway, as to HAARP agitating the ionosphere, you know, no safeguards.
Nick, you said compartmentalization exists within bureaucracies.
Bureaucracies have foremost interest, which appears to service and keep maintaining themselves.
Do you have any ideas about policies and organizational structures that can accommodate and, let's say, interact with a new Social structure that will simultaneously protect our rights?
Yeah, you know, this is a good question.
You know, Tom Spencer, while he was still in the European Parliament, was going to pursue this, and we had done a paper that suggested that there needs to be extensions of whistleblower mechanisms for both the private sector and government, where when you're developing technologies that work against human interests, that there ought to be a way to have an impartial ombudsman-type structure so you could address some of these things.
And do it in a way that doesn't damage people's career forever.
You know, I mean, the threat of people working in these programs is disclosure, is you're done.
Yes.
And so, you really have to balance that national interest against the public's right to know, and I think we need to create institutions at this time that can address that.
Yeah.
And you mentioned the drug war, terrorism, and all of those fear-based things that got us out of this situation.
Well, here's a simplistic answer, and of course, I'd like you to comment on that.
How about legalizing drugs?
Reducing fear through a more equitable distribution of resources.
Well, you know, I think of it, you know, if you call it a war on drugs, it's been a pretty big failure.
But, you know, the fact of the matter is, what shows up is this discussion of, you know, fear.
And, you know, these things that have happened with terrorism in the country are pretty phenomenal.
But when you look at their impact on the general attitude of people, in terms of what they're willing to tolerate, it's dramatic.
And I think that's You know, when that level of freedom is at stake and technology is advanced to the point where a lot more can happen now than ever before in terms of how technologies are used for a more directed and controlled society, if you will.
And that's where we're at.
I mean, whether it's gathering information or what the European Parliament refers to as data valence, methods of using information to really make sweeping conclusions about individuals and populations.
Ways of manipulating, then, now data and information and feeding it back to people in pretty dramatic ways.
You know, when we talked about this thing in Iraq in the first Gulf War, about being able to embed a signal on radio broadcasts, that's been used commercially in Japan for dissuading shoplifters and department stores.
But think about those technologies applied to political races.
I heard it was actually being used here as well.
Yeah, you know, so when you start thinking about This is like the most profound technology device.
When you look at a publication by the U.S.
Army War College, it was called an article called The Mind Has No Firewalls back in, I believe it was 1998.
The Mind Has No Firewalls.
Right, it was a reprint of an earlier article by a military journal in Russia called Orienteer, and it talked about being able to utilize all kinds of methods.
In fact, I'll read the one-liner out of this.
It kind of summarizes what's here, and it says, A psychotronic generator which produces a powerful electromagnetic emanation, capable of being sent through telephone lines, TV, radio networks, supply pipes, and incandescent lamps.
The signal would manipulate the behavior of those in contact with the signal."
In other words, just using those things to carry a signal in, you can manipulate anyone in close proximity to those energy sources.
Gotcha.
Here comes a quick one, maybe.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Biggage.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi, my name's Steve, and I'm from Missouri.
Yes, sir.
Back in 82, I had the privilege to repair electronic gear at White Sands Missile Base.
Ah.
And as I was pulling in, I noticed, why in the heck would they need all those towers?
Well, I left that company and ended up moving back to Missouri.
Towers?
What do you mean?
Radio towers?
Radio towers.
Uh-huh.
A ray, you know, of towers that look like there's gonna be antennas mounted on them.
Oh, you mean similar to, perhaps, HAARP?
Exactly.
Uh-huh.
Exactly.
Um, and, uh, so, I didn't think any more about it, and years went by, and years went by.
Uh, relocated back to Missouri, and I'm going out to Scott Air Force Base, uh, which is on the Illinois side, and, uh, as I'm going through Mascoud, Illinois, there, towards the base, I look to my right, and what do I see?
I see towers everywhere with an antenna array.
And I'm thinking, those are some strange antennas.
Look, some are a little different.
So, um, I went on to the base and repaired the gear, and I was asking the gentleman, what is that?
He says, oh, well, they're doing some scientific testing.
Uh-huh.
Three or four months, I was viewing television.
I don't know what channel it was.
Either it was Discovery or... And there's a guy that comes on and he says, yeah, there's these arrays that they're building.
What they're doing is they're going to punch holes in the ionosphere so they can... No kidding.
Launch magnetically.
Now let me get this straight.
It's on an Air Force base in Missouri?
Once again, the man who really started asking all the hard questions about harm.
He is that man, Dr. Nick Begich, and I'm curious, Dr. Begich, what, you know, going back to when you began to speak out about all of this, what triggered it?
Do you recall?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
It was a short article I read in an Australian publication, about five column inches, talking about this facility in Alaska, and quite frankly, It was making, you know, these same claims of being able to affect weather systems and being able to affect generation of ELF waves for penetrating tomography, and so on.
I didn't believe it, you know, so I'm kind of a curious person, and Alaska's maybe a big geographic area, but a small population.
I hadn't heard anything about this project in our local media, so as I began to inquire and start to look at the environmental impact statements and then the military's pronouncement and some of the technical memorandum on the project and start sending it to engineers and researchers who were encouraging me to go ahead and write on the subject and we published an article first in Nexus of all places and then that led to meeting Gene Manning who was following the same issue in a number of events where we wrote
Angels don't play this harp, and that began the whole exercise on this technology.
And then, really, my interest in electrophysiology, the effect of electromagnetic fields on the human body, is what really struck me with harp initially.
And then, when you started looking at sort of what else was going on in the sciences in this area, that became pretty disconcerting, and really led to feeling like that was maybe a good place to spend some time as A researcher really educating the public, being that sort of translator of complicated science by working with a lot of specialists in a number of fields.
Well, it seems to me, though, that after all you've done, I mean, if you were to, for example, get to the facility, they wouldn't exactly roll out the red carpet and start the marching band for your arrival.
No, no.
In fact, you know, there was a lot of problems along the way, you know, as it relates to some of this.
You know, Tom Spencer, Who chaired Foreign Affairs, you know, he was asked to, you know, not put these sections in, and the State Department had pressured him and committee members to, you know, withhold their support for it, and, you know, and it didn't happen.
Three days after the resolution passed, Tom Spencer's political career ended in a scandal in Great Britain that, you know, if not the most coincidental thing in the world, just the way it all unraveled.
All right, a lot of people want to say something, so first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Biggitt.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning, Nick.
Yeah, I wanted to know, Art, you asked him a question earlier about other governments and other countries having involvement with the HEART program.
Yes.
And if we remember correctly, when we first sent our U.S.
troops over to Iraq, there was a huge dust storm.
That kind of hindered them, caused a lot of problems.
Ah, I recall, yes.
Right, right.
So did they cause that dust storm?
Is that the question?
Yeah, yeah, if there was any involvement.
Alright, Doctor, how about it?
Well, you know, I don't know that they did, but this is again the kind of technology we're talking about.
You know, can you create these effects?
And the answer is yes, according to what's shown up in public literature.
The fact that... So you're saying could have been?
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, that's where this stuff gets really tough, because without international monitoring, which means a certain level of sophistication on the part of those that are making those observations, you've got to know what to look for, that's where it really needs to start.
And you know, some of this technology, when you think about it, the idea of transferring the way technology works is We're very, very dependent on almost every kind of technological thing that affects our lives in the West, and our vulnerability to systems that use that as a vehicle.
For weapons applications, it's pretty amazing.
Boy, you keep up.
Weapons comes up a lot.
Languishing east of the Rockies was that caller, and I'm sorry I left you on hold there too long, in Missouri.
He was talking about the antennas in Missouri, right caller?
And Illinois?
Illinois, yeah.
Illinois.
And so he's suggesting that there's more to HAARP than just Alaska.
Yeah, I would agree.
You do?
And Rosalie Bertel reported on a Canadian system of arrays.
Was a physicist and was the lead physician.
She's also an M.D.
in Bhopal for the World Health Organization after that disaster.
Very prominent person.
She testified with us in the European Parliament on these types of weapons systems.
The European system, the EZCATS system existence acknowledged.
Alright caller, so the answer to the question is yes, there could be associated systems and maybe that was one of them, you never know.
Right, what about the launching of their blowing holes in the atmosphere to launch magnetically induced catapult spaceships through the ionosphere so that their fuel can be used to go on to Mars?
Alright, well I don't know about that.
You know what I can say is One of the earlier ideas was being able to take energy in the form of radio frequency and by focusing it the way they can, transfer it extremely efficiently for energizing low-orbiting space platforms, which change, you know, a whole bunch in terms of dimensions of warfare.
If you can maintain low orbits, which require larger amounts of energy, but if you can do it efficiently with these kinds of transmitters, you really could change and move space platforms into literally warfare platforms into space you
change the dimension of warfare
now I haven't been exactly counting the number of times you've said warfare and
weapons but it has been a lot well you know it's really the essence of HAARP I mean it's
HAARP's deal essence of HAARP that's what they're interested in the
applications as they apply to weapons applications
is what military research is all about They don't do it for the good of mankind.
Well, back when you and I began these interviews, there was some more of that good of mankind stuff in there than there was weapons and military.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, there's some interesting applications with HAARP, and unfortunately in the 11 years that we followed this project, none of those are really being explored.
And those are the ones that deal with perhaps mitigating some of the big issues of the day.
You know, if ozone depletion is really a problem, Ben Eastland's concepts in terms of generating ozone using these systems becomes pretty interesting.
You betcha.
And I just can't believe they haven't asked.
Military leaders would have to ask with what's going on in our world right now.
Wes, to the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bigot.
Yes, sir.
This is Chuck in Fairbanks, Alaska.
Oh, way up in Fairbanks.
Yeah, right next door.
I talked to you several years ago, Art, and you actually had my picture on your website.
I'm the guy that buys and sells mammoth tusks and ivory.
Of course.
Yeah, and I buy from the remote Eskimo villages, and a lot of them are just literally washing away, and we're finding quite a few tusks this year.
But I wanted to ask Nick about two questions, and one is about Poker Flat, which is right over the hill from us.
It's kind of a top-secret site that Supposedly just research with the university.
Right.
And I have another question, but can you answer that one first?
Well, yeah, what about... Oklahoma Flat is a federally funded rocket range.
It's been funded to probably in excess of $100 million over the years, maybe quite a bit more than that now.
But it's used, it also has a small phased array that's used as high pass, it's used in conjunction with HAARP for some of its applications.
You know, quite a bit of atmospheric climate research takes place at the University of Alaska Fairbanks and through the Geophysical Institute, as well as now a fair amount of military research.
Okay.
Also, my next question is, two years ago we had one of the strongest earthquakes in 40-some years, and it was located at the fault line.
The epicenter was not far from the Harper Ray in the Copper River Valley.
Is that just a coincidence?
And why would they locate HAARP in an area that was so prone to earthquakes?
I know there hadn't been either for a long time before.
Well, there's a reason why they put HAARP where it is.
Right, Doctor?
Yeah, there's several, actually.
And seismic stability wasn't really so much of an issue.
So why did they put it there?
It was location and proximity to the magnetic field lines.
The further north you go, the easier it is to move energy into those magnetic field lines because they intersect the Earth at the poles.
Ideally you want to be close to large energy sources, natural gas ideally, that you can then convert eventually to electrical power and then fire up a pretty good sized array.
So you want to fire this at a location where you can have the most effect, and that's along those magnetic lines.
Right, and so ultimately you'll see these appear in the furthest northern regions where there's gas supplies in Alaska.
That happens to be the northern, north slope of Alaska, so you expect to see that.
Eventually developed as these technologies get proven out with what they call a developmental prototype, the first array that they've constructed.
Okay.
All right.
International Line, you're on the air with Dr. Biggage.
Hi.
Hey, Art.
How you doing?
Hey, Dr. Biggage.
How are you?
Good, thank you.
It's Wayne calling from the South Carolina Current.
Yes, sir.
I guess the question I have is sort of like a building question.
Our Earth is protected by a magnetic field, correct?
Yes.
Okay, that magnetic field is generated by the molten metal of the planet?
Well, it's by a complex number of interactions.
It's both the solar activity affecting magnetic field lines, which are by the rotation of the planet, and the whole dynamic creates those magnetic field lines, like a big A magnet would, in a science experiment from high school, you get those same kind of magnets.
All right, stay close to the phone for me.
I think we lost that last caller.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Biggage.
Hello.
Good morning.
Good morning, sir.
How are you doing today?
Fine.
What is your first name?
My first name is Scott, and I'm from Jacksonville, Florida.
Florida.
Okay.
Yes.
I'm calling to see about a group in a home where, you know, the media pretty much was a source of information.
And in the 90s I learned about Operation Harp and nanotechnology.
And I was just curious about the, as far as the surface, I feel, you know, I was wondering
how accurate and informed we are with the news media and what there might be as far
as if they're good to use as a source or if they're reliable.
Hmm.
How reliable is media on this subject, you mean?
I would say just, I'm trying to think of the best way to state the question is the reliability
of our media based on unknowns that we are learning about.
Well, you know, part of it, you know, I think what you're driving at is this idea of, you know, a lot of the reporting that's done today is not really investigative reporting.
It's really just press release.
Most of it, Doctor.
Most of it, yeah.
When you're talking about complex science issues, it even becomes more difficult.
And really, when you think about it, they're the most important issues that we face today.
Because what makes governments powerful in the world today is that technology is a command.
You know, we need to have at least some kind of conceptual knowledge.
We don't have to know how to build this stuff any more than most of us anyway.
Or what can make them weak is what they don't command, as is being constantly demonstrated to us by our apparent, apparent inability to control the course of a hurricane.
I mean, you don't want to think that we're controlling and making this happen.
No, no, and I've heard those kind of assertions being made, and people are commenting in that way, and I don't think that's constructive.
Unless you can really demonstrate, and you know how particular I have been over the years with documents.
Of course.
That's kind of my method of, the proof is in the paper, you know?
And a lot of researchers use word of mouth testimony or that kind of, or theorizing on their own, and I don't do that, and I think it's dangerous to do it.
The technologies we can demonstrate through the literature existing and being advanced, and then the ethical questions that surround it, Are the ones that, at least we've tried to stimulate, and in some cases have been more successful than others.
And I think ultimately, technology shouldn't be so scary.
I mean, we drive our cars every day, yet we can't work on them.
It's only scary because we don't know what the hell they're doing.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Biggitch, hello.
Yeah, Art, 73 is Paul Robin of Vancouver, Washington.
Yes.
Certified EPA microbiologist, chemist.
I shouldn't say microbiologist, because that's Huntington's on those guys.
Anyway, my question is, why is the signature, I'm like Art, I'm a 73 guy, ham radio operator, I put a microphone on my sonicator one on, and it has a 83% exact same signature as your harp and burst.
And those bursts kill bacteria and disrupt cells.
Why are they doing that?
Alright, well, first of all, I don't know if we know that's true, that these kind of signals, when they return to Earth, have some effect on the bacteria.
Maybe they do?
Well, here's the thing.
this is where uh...
whether they're deliberately affecting another system by operating in one
regime to accomplish one thing and this is where those we're talking about window frequencies you know in the e l
f range which is used for penetrating tomography this happens to be places
within uh... the preacher ranges are also biologically active in the course
of humans but when you start to look at
all of the electromagnetic interactions around today that man's created and
start think about it i mean if we have two hundred million times more radio
frequency energy around us today the nature uh... produced like a giant soup
dot exactly so you know that from that most of it just like the static
between But occasionally, we develop systems that sort of trip over ourselves.
We don't even see ourselves doing it.
And I think that's the stage of development that we're in, is you see a lot of literature emerging very rapidly, talking about electromagnetic field effects on living organisms.
Still highly debated, but nonetheless, you cannot argue with the amount of literature that's been produced in the scientific community showing those effects.
The military's seeking those effects for applications in terms of weapon systems, and when you look at the whole array, here's the science of the day that could perhaps enhance human performance to unprecedented levels.
Save the day or ruin it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Begich.
Not a lot of time, hi.
That's right.
Dr. Begich, you used the domino effect analogy earlier in the program.
I'd like you to apply that principle to fundraising and let us know the next time you come on this program how we can start sending money to you in $30 contributions a month, how we can get wills made out for the benefit of a foundation that will advance what you're doing, and let's not beat around the bush anymore.
Let's get down to business and get something done.
Alright, well there's somebody who wants action.
Absolutely, and you know that's part of what the Lay Foundation is being established to accomplish, and it's been put together by one of the heirs of Herman Lay, who was the founder of Lay Potato Chips, a merger with Frito and PepsiCo.
She has actually created, Dorothy Lay has created a foundation, I'm their executive director and a member of the board, to do exactly that, to make sure that we can get this information out.
One of the things we'll be doing is putting together A website with our entire research bibliography eventually loaded into it and making that available to researchers, politicians, and media.
Where it might be more useful than sitting in our library just gathering dust.
Excellent, doctor.
Listen, we're out of time.
Okay, we'll do this again.
The number to order the DVD, of course we'll do it again.
The number to order the DVD is 888-690-1277.
Mind control.
That's what it's about.
888-690-1277.
Correct, doctor?
That's it.
Alright, buddy.
That's what it's about.
888-690-1277.
Correct, doctor?
That's it.
All right, buddy.
Listen, thank you for being here.
Hey, thanks for having me, and I'll get hold of Dr. Eason.
We'll see if we can do it again and maybe have a really interesting time.
Looking forward to it.
Take care.
Dr. Nick Begich, don't forget, if you've got a good ghost-to-ghost story, write a little synopsis, put your phone number at the bottom, and we'll call you.
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