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Oct. 23, 2005 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Nick Begich - HAARP Weather and Mind Control - Mark Suddeth - Hurricane Hunter

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		We here in South Florida, or some part of the southern U.S. is getting a strong hurricane.
		Any chance you're doing the weather manipulation?
		He says.
		I know it's the topic for tonight's show.
		Well, to some degree, that's true.
		Coming up in the next hour, we'll have Nick Begich here, Dr. Begich, who wrote, of course, among other things, Angels Don't Play This Harp.
		Now I'll have a lot of questions about that, as you can imagine.
		It's been a while since we've talked.
		The Bell family is just spiffy.
		That would be Art, myself, Ramona, Yeti, Comet Shadow, Dusty, Abby Dos.
		And by the way, Abby Dos is in tonight's ham cam slot.
		That's Abby lying right on Ramona last night.
		So that's as early a picture as last night.
		Now, take a good look at Abydos, because after about 8 o'clock tomorrow, his maleness, his male identity is due to be modified.
		So these are the closing hours of his continued possession of...
		Anyway, so there he was last night.
		What an unusual little cat that is.
		He doesn't make a sound, folks.
		He's never made any sound other than when he wanted to come in the house and then he screamed bloody murder.
		Since then, two and a half months, the most he does, he goes, he grunts.
		That's about it.
		That's all Abby Dos ever says.
		Now, I would like to invite you all, as I have in the past, to listen to amateur radio, ham radio at a very unique site called www.smeter.net.
		That's S-M-E-T-E-R.net.
		It's there 24 hours a day.
		One of the receivers is the PRUMP receiver, which is located at KNYE Radio and utilizes the KNYE Tower.
		And you can listen to short wave.
		Now, warning, there may not be too much short wave to listen to right now.
		The solar conditions at the moment are really, really unusual.
		They are so unusual.
		In fact, if you look at the x-ray chart, it's flat-lined.
		I mean, baby, there is nothing going on.
		It is just flat-lined.
		And the band sounds just like that, so it's very difficult for anybody to talk to anybody anywhere, but it can be done.
		So you can have fun with that.
		It's there 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
		www.smeter.net, S-M-E-T-E-R.net.
		Now, we just got back from a trip to Idaho, took the RV up to Idaho and had a blast.
		Went to see a friend of mine, Mac, and Boyd and his family, and we had a blast.
		So we're getting out a little bit.
		Coming up next week is going to be kind of a fun affair, I think.
		Ghost to Ghost is not one day next week, but it's two days.
		Here's what we're going to do.
		On the 30th, we're going to have a very old Ghost to Ghost.
		They're going back, I think, to the mid-90s or early 90s.
		I don't know, way back, and they're getting a Ghost to Ghost because those stories, of course, are eternal, aren't they?
		And then on the 31st, I will be here doing a live Ghost to Ghost.
		Now, I want to talk to you a little bit about that live Ghost to Ghost.
		All right.
		Continuing program notes here.
		What I would like you to do is to send me a short synopsis of your ghost story, the most titillating part, so that I can understand what I'm dealing with, and include your phone number, please.
		Because we will repeat last year's successful effort at Ghost Ghost, and I'm going to give you my email addresses.
		So run and get a pencil or a pen, please.
		And send me a short synopsis of your ghost story.
		Only the very best, scariest, wildest stories are told.
		And the way this is accomplished, by your sending me a little bit of email, including your phone number, and we, I should say, I, will call you.
		All right, so any emails with your short synopsis and phone number should be sent to artbellar at aol.com or artbell at mindspring.com.
		That's probably the main one.
		Artbell at mindspring.com.
		M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.
		Artbell at mindspring.com.
		And again, include a synopsis and your phone number.
		And if it's a good one, we'll call you on the 31st.
		And that's how we're going to do Ghost to Ghost.
	That, and, of course, Open Lines as well.
	But we are going to rely heavily on your input.
	So make it good and include your phone number.
	And who knows, you could be part of this year's Ghost to Ghost program.
	Something I've been doing for, gee, an awful lot of years now.
	In a moment, we'll look at this horrible thing, this horrid, horrid thing bearing down at this very hour on Florida, the Keys, and then Florida, coming up.
	The End CNN, of course, into full-time coverage.
	The latest on Wilma at this hour at 24.5 north And 83.6 west, or about 115 miles, west of Key West, Florida, which is now beginning to take quite a battering.
	Winds are now 115 miles an hour.
	It's been upgraded to a Category 3 hurricane moving northeast at 18 miles an hour.
	The barometric pressure 957 millibars, and I understand stabilizing at that, so it may remain exactly where it is at category 3.
	Now, you may recall from previous programs, I've turned to Mark Sutteth, who is a hurricane hunter.
	You've got to be out of your mind, in my opinion, to do these kinds of things, though I certainly did earlier in my life, didn't I?
	Mark was in Naples, Florida, but I guess he decided that wasn't dangerous enough.
	So now we find him, I believe, in Everglade City.
	Mark, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Good to be here.
unidentified		Thanks for having me, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right, Everglade City?
unidentified		Yes, temporarily.
		We've come down here to rewind a tape that is inside of one of these storm case boxes.
		Excuse me, that we have learned a lot of lessons since Katrina.
		We lost all of those cases that we set up during Katrina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, to remind the audience, what Mark does is he sets up these little, I don't know, pods or cases that he leaves with video and other recording devices to, you know, actually be in the hurricane and take the brunt of it and record whatever it's going to record.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generally correct, Mark?
unidentified		Yes, that's exactly right.
		These are sort of remotely operated cameras and weather instruments.
		That's the idea is to leave them out in a remote location and let them take the beating and not me.
		And we're going to go back.
		We're in Everglade City now, just kind of rewinding the very long nine-hour tape in one of these items, one of these boxes.
		And so far, as I drive around Everglade City, there's no flooding yet whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Mark, it's coming.
		Now, where are you presenting?
		That city, Everglade City, probably is not going to be the place to be come about dawn, is it?
unidentified		Right.
		Not going to be a place to be near dawn.
		I think the storm surge is going to come in rather quickly like it did during Katrina.
		The people that are still here, and there are people here, and the indication of that, I'm going to take some pictures of it as I leave.
		And I hope it's not pictures of cars that don't have owners, but there's all these automobiles parked up on the little bridge that comes down into Everglade City.
		They're parked up there like rats that have been placed on higher ground, if you will.
		And that, to me, means that the owners are still here in Everglade City, which is about three feet above sea level on average.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Three feet above sea level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is the projected storm surge there?
unidentified		Anywhere from maybe 12 to 15 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		12.
		To 15 feet.
		So in other words, you could get as much as 12 feet of water right there.
unidentified		Yes, we can have 12, maybe 15 feet of water rising in here, coming in rapidly.
		That'll have some waves on top of it, perhaps.
		And it's just not a good thing to be in.
		I learned that after Katrina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's very interesting.
		So the residents of that area have all parked their cars.
		You would judge how far above sea level?
unidentified		Well, those cars are not very much above sea level at all.
		They are parked up on this bridge, so they are maybe another eight or nine feet above sea level where they are.
		So the cars may not get damaged or washed away, but the people's homes with those people may be.
		So I'm really worried about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know there are a lot of areas that didn't really evacuate this time.
		People seem to have this feeling that, I don't know, this storm wasn't going to be much.
		And after the battering over Cozumel in that area of Mexico, I think people thought it was going to beat itself to death.
		What is going on with this storm?
		Intensification, I guess, right?
unidentified		It's an amazing hurricane, isn't it, Art?
		It was the strongest hurricane ever recorded pressure-wise in the Western Hemisphere with a 881 or 882 millibar air pressure at one point with a two-mile-wide eye, and then it buried itself over the Yucatan after going through an eye wall replacement cycle, and the eye grew larger.
		It battered them for hours upon hours.
		Then it moved off the Yucatan after leaving southern Florida in a state of wait and anguish.
		However, giving people more time, which was good.
		The talk was maybe it'll just be an 80-not hurricane, and so it won't be as bad.
		And then all of a sudden, six hours before landfall here, we're looking at a large, angry, well-defined category three hurricane with a huge windfield, a lot like Katrina had, a large windfield.
		So this means a large area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		Even southwest Florida coast will get storm surge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Mark, if you can, what happened to this hurricane to cause it to suddenly grow like this?
		Was it the warm waters of the Gulf?
		I mean, they just didn't expect it to be a three.
		They were forecasting originally one, maybe two at the most, and here it is three already.
unidentified		Correct.
		It just goes to show that the intensity forecasting for a hurricane is very difficult to understand that thermodynamic relationship between the hurricane's interface with the ocean and the atmosphere.
		They were hoping that the shearing winds would tear it apart and keep it from strengthening, but the hurricane was moving with the flow, so the shear was not as bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I heard, Mark, that the shear could do one of two things.
		It could either confuse and weaken the hurricane, or it could cause it to change its forward speed instead while it still strengthened.
		Apparently, that's what occurred.
unidentified		Right.
		And the eye grew larger, as we have seen.
		The hurricane has picked up a fairly fast speed Now, and it'll be on the coast somewhere near when the sun comes up.
		And I think that is going to be one rude awakening, no pun intended.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so it's going to be moving over the Everglades area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, we're talking about a swamp anyway with swamp water temperatures still in the 80s, and then it's going to move over to the east coast of Florida.
unidentified		Over a lot of people in Miami-Dade, Broward County, and then all the way up towards Palm Beach, even up as far north as Titusville to see hurricane force winds.
unidentified		That's a lot of people, millions of people that are going to be affected by this hurricane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mark, do you have any personal theories about the hurricane season thus far this year?
		I mean, it's been everybody, I think, would agree.
		It's been incredible.
		We're already up now to a named storm, Alpha.
		Do you have any theories about why you think it's been this bad, and is it going to get worse?
unidentified		I think that it is very reasonable to say that it was this bad because the sea surface temperatures were warmer than normal, and in some cases, extreme warmer than normal.
		And that has led to, you know, as you mentioned during Hurricane Katrina, these hurricanes are nature's air conditioners.
		And boy, nature really had to crank up these air conditioners this year because hurricanes are the means to get that heat out of the tropics.
		And in this particular situation this year, it is absolutely the most extraordinary hurricane season in modern man's history.
		I mean, this cannot be, I mean, 1933 had a 21-name storm year, but it didn't have three category five hurricanes that we've had this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That is absolutely amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It truly is amazing, and it just seems to get worse and worse and worse and worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would be your view then that this trend toward bigger, more fierce hurricanes is going to continue in years to come?
unidentified		Yes, it's very possible.
		When we see these kind of water temperatures persisting, and we're going to watch that through the winter, that large, fierce hurricanes could be the norm as opposed to the exception.
		And it is not going to be too much longer, I think, before a place like Long Island gets a massive hurricane racing up the east coast and comes into some place like Long Island.
		New Orleans has a threat to be hit again even next year.
		The Carolinas are vulnerable.
		The Florida Peninsula is very vulnerable.
		We are stuck with this art.
		And if we do not adapt as people that live along the coastline, there's going to be some very bad consequences for this country in the next 10 to 15 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Mark, just a theoretical question.
		Could this hurricane cross the Florida Peninsula, get out into the Atlantic, and meet up with the low-pressure or tropical alpha thing and then sort of merge?
		Could that happen?
unidentified		Yes, it really could.
		And it would absorb some of the energy from alpha and perhaps be transitioning, it's going to transition into a very strong sort of mid-latitude extra-tropical cyclone or more of a nor'easter, like a winter-type storm, and then head up towards the Canadian Maritimes where it's going to potentially cause a lot of trouble up there.
		This is going to be a very large and potent ocean storm after it's done and it leaves the tropics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, you do leave out these pods with recording equipment, some of it video, so I'm sure that you're hoping in a way that you get some daylight type action, aren't you?
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		We're hoping that we can see what these effects are during the hurricane because the daytime comes in and allows us to do that.
		That's obviously a very good thing.
		And for anybody that has stayed here in the Everglades City area, maybe the daytime will allow them a chance, if they see that water coming up, to finally get out of here.
		I don't know.
		I just think a hurricane is much more bearable during the daytime.
		And we can learn a lot more from it if we can see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, Mark, do you chase hurricanes?
unidentified		That is a very good question.
unidentified		I am very interested in this kind of power that makes these trees move like they do, that makes the noise that it does, that makes millions of people react in a way that they wouldn't normally react to just a thunderstorm or a cold front coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're entranced by the power.
unidentified		Right, absolutely.
		And if hurricanes did not hurt people and kill people and destroy billions of dollars worth of property, everybody could come out and enjoy a really spectacular force of nature.
		But unfortunately, they do do those bad things.
		And as I said a few minutes ago, people have got to learn to adapt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're about done here, Mark, time-wise.
		But very quickly, go ahead and plug your website.
		Would you please, because Mark is, I don't know, doing this kind of as a job, right, Mark?
unidentified		This is my job.
		It is.
		And I work with some great people.
		Folks can visit hurricane track.com.
		And one of the things I want to mention real quick, if you want to see this season end to end from A to W, I was there for almost every one of them except Cindy.
		We're producing a DVD that is going to be absolutely incredible.
		And I'm going to send you one, Art, through your good friend Paul Bowman.
		And folks can look that all up at hurricane track.com.
		We really are the science behind the reporting.
		And I mean, Art, you know from your storm chasing days that the science really makes the chasing and the adventure a full plate.
		And it really helps to round it all out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Mark, I know.
		Your streaming was cool, by the way.
		Paul Bowman, as you mentioned, turned me on to it, and I watched you going down the coast of Florida headed into danger the other day.
		Just watched your vehicle going on Down the freeway, it was pretty cool, and I could even hear you in the background.
		So, technology has done a lot for us, and you're square in the middle of it.
		So, Mark Sudith, buddy, thank you very much for being here once again as we're on the air.
		Another yet another night when a hurricane's closing in.
		Rain-pounded Key West late Sunday as Hurricane Wilma accelerated towards storm weary.
		That's an understatement, Florida, threatening residents with 115 mile-an-hour winds, tornadoes.
		Oh, there are going to be a lot of tornadoes because there's cold air to the north, and it's mixing, and they're already getting tornadoes and water spouts, a surge of seawater that could flood the Keys, the state's southwest coast, the Category 3 hurricane expected to make landfall before dawn Monday in the state's southwest corner, likely near Naples and Marco Island, according to Max Mayfield.
		So we'll see.
		It's certainly going to go across the swampy southern part of Florida, and then the eastern part of the state is going to take it.
		There's looting down in Mexico after Wilma, which of course stayed over the Cancun area and just rotated, and now things are pretty wrecked down there, as you might imagine.
		About 10,000 Americans have got to get out.
		And there is looting.
		We'll have more.
		There's so many things that I want to talk to you about.
		I get so little airtime as compared to when I was on for both days each weekend that there's just a whole lot I want to talk to you about.
		One of those things, even in the middle of a hurricane, is bird flu.
		Stay right there, and we shall continue Open Lines coming right up.
		Open Lines This is a subject I have just got to take a moment to talk to you about.
		The headline tonight is Britain, colon, bird flu is deadly H5N1 strain, London.
		The British government said Sunday that a strain of bird flu that killed a parrot in quarantine is, in fact, the deadly H5N1 strain that has plagued Asia and recently spread now, of course, to Europe.
		Scientists determined that the parrot imported from South America died of, in fact, the strain of avian flu that has devastated poultry stocks, killed 61 people in Asia over the past two years now.
		I've been doing a lot of reading about the bird flu.
		And as you know, or should know, if you've had your head anywhere other than deep in the sand, this is thought to probably, very soon now, jump to or possibly jump to the possibility of human-to-human infection.
		Should that occur?
		I've read the mortality rate for this kind of flu is about 55%.
		55%.
		Now, in the 1918 flu epidemic, I think it was 5 or 10% at the most.
		5% is what I've heard.
		That went around the world three times in an era where we had no airplanes.
		No airplanes.
		It killed millions and millions of people.
		This is worse.
		Much worse.
		If it becomes, if you hear a story, a legitimate story that says that human-to-human contamination of this H5N1 has begun, all I can tell you is find a place away from people.
		And I know it sounds impossible to do, but I mean for you and your family, for your sake, find a place as far away from people as you can get with as much storage of food and water and essentials as you can possibly manage and stay the hell away from people.
		And that's about all you can do.
		There are some drugs that might have some effectiveness against this strain, should it develop, Tamaflu, for example, but stocks are low on that.
		So, you know, you keep this one way high on your personal radar for you and the sake of your family.
		Keep it very high on your radar.
		If you begin to hear about person-to-person transmission, the time available to you to get ready and do what you're going to do for you and your family is going to be very short indeed.
		So keep your eye on that one.
		It may not come.
		It may not be this year.
		It may not be next year.
		Or it could be next month.
		But keep it very high on your personal radar, please.
		All right.
		Let us begin.
		On the international line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Art.
		I'm calling from Singapore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Singapore?
		Yes.
		Wonderful.
		All the way from Singapore.
		My goodness.
unidentified		That's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing in Singapore?
unidentified		I've been living and working here for 20 years.
unidentified		Came over with an American company and then ended up starting my own and stayed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really like Singapore?
unidentified		Yep.
		Raised four children here.
		It's been a good time.
		Nothing like you here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what do you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what kind of work?
unidentified		Semiconductor testing.
		Very good.
		All the good stuff.
		In fact, I wanted to call you on my mobile phone just to let you see how great it was, but the calls are a little bit expensive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So you're in Singapore.
		I was just talking about the Asian flu.
		Are you getting a lot of headlines about that in Singapore, sir?
unidentified		It's more from the BBC.
		You know, BBC is the dominant news here in terms of our international.
		But locally, no.
		Because I think it's really not that bad in terms of how many times it needs to jump in order to really become a problem.
		Of course, we went through the whole SARS thing, Which was really devastating to the economy and a really tough time for everybody.
		I think at least a third of the restaurants shut down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This thing could make SARS look like a picnic.
unidentified		Well, it could.
		There's no doubt about it.
		And, you know, as long as you cook your chicken right and you do all the right precautions, it shouldn't be too much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		In its current form, where, you know, only people coming in contact with eating birds or, you know, bodily fluids from birds or something, it's not going to be the kind of thing that I'm concerned about.
		Human to human, if that begins.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, then it's a totally different deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the scientists seem so damn convinced that it's going to happen.
unidentified		Well, George had somebody on his show last week about that.
unidentified		I think if you try to pin the guy down and get him to commit to anything, it might be a different deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, indeed.
		Well, listen, it's great to hear from you.
		What part of Singapore are you in?
unidentified		Well, right now I'm in Kalong area.
		It's an industrial building.
		We stay up in the woodlands near the border to Malaysia.
		We're about five minutes from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And out of curiosity, how did you get onto the program and how do you manage to hear it in Singapore?
unidentified		Well, you know, when I moved from the States, I used to listen to Talk Radio in Houston and got over here and signed up for Real and searched for Talk Radio and found this show called Art Vell and listened to it and I was really hooked because it has been the strangest journey in a way.
		I had two.
		My wife and I went to a place in Houston that had some soothsayers.
		And there was two of them, one a palm reader and one a card reader.
		Went to the one and she said, you're going to move overseas in the next six months.
		And I couldn't possibly think what that meant.
		Went over to the other one and she said the exact same thing.
		And, you know, you kind of look to make sure nobody can see anybody from across the room and they're completely blocked off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there you are in Singapore.
unidentified		And here I am in Singapore all these years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, listen, buddy, I got to scoop, but thank you very, very much for your call and take care in Singapore.
		That's an unusual call.
		All the way from Singapore.
		Yes, I think once again, with the bird flu, don't worry until you hear about human-to-human transmission.
		If you hear about that, worry indeed and prepare for the worst.
		It's always best that way because the scientists surely do seem confirmed that just this small genetic change, what they say is that every human that is infected from a bird, of course, then has a compromised immune system.
		And there's always this chance that in just one human, it's suddenly going to take that one little tiny, almost immeasurable jump that will allow it to become human to human.
		As just one little genetic change in the virus.
		That's scary.
		First time, Color Line, you're on the air.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, Art.
		First off, it's an honor to talk with you.
		I've been a fan of the show for about two or three years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you, sir?
unidentified		Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
		Excellent.
		I have a question, and I wanted to make a prediction after that, if I may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may.
unidentified		My question is, has two existing hurricanes ever kind of caught up with each other and joined to make a bigger storm?
		Has that ever happened?
		Do we have any records of that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never personally heard of it, but most things have happened, so it wouldn't surprise me.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're both giant low-pressure systems, right?
		So I would think it could happen that we had that perfect storm off the Northeast Coast years ago where two low-pressure systems joined.
		So yeah, I suppose why not?
unidentified		Okay.
		Leading into my prediction, I was having a daydream the other day.
		I was just kind of dozing off during class.
		And I was in Florida.
		I was on vacation.
		And it was kind of around the end of October, or sorry, August, mid-September, like when school usually starts.
		And I had this dream about an existing hurricane kind of like joining with another hurricane, kind of like catching up to it and forming a bigger storm.
		And I was watching the weather channel about this in my dream, and it was planted for this period around 2006.
		And I was kind of a little startled by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you think that this might occur in 2006?
unidentified		Correct, end of August, mid-September.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, nature may trump you, and who knows?
		I mean, Wilma is headed across southern Florida, right, in a northeast direction right now, and then probably to turn more northerly, I would imagine, after crossing the peninsula, and Alpha's out there sort of waiting, so you never know.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Larry in Fort Lauderdale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Fort Lauderdale.
		All right, well, I guess Fort Lauderdale is dead in the sights of this hurricane after it crosses, and it's not going to diminish that much.
		What are you being told?
unidentified		Well, we're all glued to the television set.
		All channels have different little pictures on it, and we're watching Doppler radar from Key West.
		They're flashing to the different reporters that they have from Key West, Upper Keys, and all throughout South Florida.
		They're trying to tell people not to get complacent because of all the storms we've been battered with, and that's been a real problem is dealing with the complacency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Right now here in Fort Lauderdale, everything is very, very calm.
		It's the calm before the storm.
		The winds are only about 35 miles an hour.
		The pictures we're seeing from Key West is they're just starting to get their hurricane force winds with the eye approximately, I may be wrong on this, 60, 70 miles from them right now.
		And it's probably just going to skirt them.
		But it's still on that D-line, headed right for between like Miami and Fort Lauderdale.
		And they're saying that it's not going to diminish Like the other hurricanes did.
		They think it's going to keep its strong category three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that means that conceivably your area and Miami-Dade North could see 100-mile-an-hour winds.
unidentified		Well, 115 is what it's at right now.
		And like you said before, a lot of people think when it hits land, it diminishes.
		But the Everglades is basically warm water, which can help fuel it.
		But there's two caveats that we have or two good things.
		One is it's moving very fast.
		They said that unlike some other storms, it'll move off the coast very rapidly.
		They expect it to maybe increase to 20 miles an hour in its movement.
		And the second thing is, if we lose power, and we seem to always lose power, it won't have that horrible hot weather afterwards.
		They're predicting low temperatures, and for us it's low up to or down to 50 degrees by tomorrow night.
		So if we do lose power, we won't be baking.
		Because a lot of people have these aluminum shutters on, and you're like a baked potato with this aluminum surrounding the house, which I put up today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even so, sir, just a few minutes of 100-mile an hour plus winds, that's going to do all kinds of damage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even if it's not sitting on you sustained, 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes of 100 miles an hour, and there's serious damage.
unidentified		This is why I put up the shutters, but I have to say the house next door to me, they have even stronger shutters.
		They didn't do it.
		A neighbor next to him did put them up.
		It's just people trying to play the guessing game, and they've been begging people, especially in the keys, to get out.
		A lot of people did not.
		They've been interviewing people that are still on their boats, even.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, hard-headed conks.
		They call them conks.
		And the conks don't leave.
		They stand and face the storm like brave soldiers.
unidentified		They're even saying that when this thing goes offshore to the east, that it may merge to some type of general weather system with Tropical Storm Alpha, go up to the northeast, and actually turn into a very wicked snowstorm.
		So, I mean, it's like out of a movie script or like something out of your book.
		I mean, if you look at what this thing did, going underneath Cuba, swinging back around, and now, you know, heading across the southern into Florida and then going up and wreaking havoc in the northeast, I mean, it's like something out of a movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is like something out of a movie.
		And I want to solicit your opinion on something.
		I know it's pretty far out in left field, but do you think there's any manipulation of the weather going on by anybody or any country or at all?
		Is there manipulation that we don't know about going on?
unidentified		I look for connections, and I got into a debate just last night with a friend of mine over this who says that's the crackpot view.
		And I cited the number of serious people in this country that are looking into it.
		I also heard you say something else, and I looked for a connection, something you said earlier.
		The ham radio signals are very, very bad now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they are.
unidentified		I would want to know, you know, in detail, what electromagnetic fields are moving, and if anything from that end of the spectrum could be causing this.
		And if it is, is it being manipulated?
		I see one thing.
		I've seen hurricanes come from the east right straight into Florida.
		This year, every hurricane seems to be heading for a place where there's oil refineries or oil drilling.
		We have Port Everglades here, one of the largest storage tanks of oil in the southeast.
		And it seems like this thing is heading right for that.
		Katrina came in from the other side right towards that.
		And then if you look at all the lines, they're all in the Gulf heading right towards the oil rigs and stuff.
		So you have to wonder.
		They look at you as a crackpot when you say that it's manipulated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		But if you start thinking about mind control and stuff, I think it's a very real possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may be kind of fringy to think about this sort of thing.
		I admit it is a little fringy, but we're doing all kinds of other things.
		And if we were manipulating weather, one thing I know for sure, we wouldn't talk about it.
unidentified		That's true.
		It's like when Major Endeem started the remote viewers, it wasn't talked about.
		And then later it became known.
		And you have to go back to the Air Force's webpage that I understand was taking down, where they had a giant above the clouds, and it said controlling the weather by 2025.
		So they didn't expect to start in 2024 to do it.
		They probably expect it to start now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good night.
		We don't have a lot of time.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah.
		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right, sir.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Dayton, Ohio, right in Ratfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your first name?
unidentified		My name is Brad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Brad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		I just wanted to mention one real quick thing.
		I wanted to thank you for replying to my email that I sent to you.
		I emailed you about my cats and how to get them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
unidentified		Well, I appreciate that.
unidentified		My condolences to Abby Doe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		By the way, and just basically, Art, I just wanted to comment on this whole thing.
		You know, we've got earthquakes, we've got hurricanes.
		You know, it's something out of a movie.
		And, you know, it's really amazing to me that all this stuff is going on.
		I don't have children of my own.
		I have a niece and nephew, though, that I think of basically as my own.
		I love them.
		And it's almost worrisome to think that they're going to have to come up in this world because I remember back as a child, there was nothing like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you're now the second person to say that.
		It's like something out of a movie with everything that's been going on out of a book.
		I won't do the plug that I probably could do out of a movie, a modern movie, a catastrophic movie of something.
		I mean, what's going on right now is just simply astounding.
unidentified		Do you see this as an end times kind of event?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, I don't know.
		Honestly, I don't know.
		An end times eventually.
		For some people.
		That's the only way to say it safely.
		I don't know, sir.
		Nobody knows about those end times, not really.
		They're certainly going to be in touch with, it would appear, the edge of the eye wall, and they've mainly not evacuated from Key West.
		Strong, hard-headed conks that they are, they're mostly staying in place.
		Now they're not going to move.
		There's already water over all the roads connecting them to mainland.
		So they're where they're going to be.
		954 millibars, 115 miles an hour, moving northeast at 18 miles an hour.
		Wilma, we'll watch it as the night continues.
		Our guest coming in a moment, Dr. Nick Begich.
		Now, just quickly, a couple of notes that I want to repeat, and that is Ghost to Ghost.
		Yes, I will do it on the 31st.
		On the 30th, we're going to have a very old Ghost to Ghost, back to the 90s, way back.
		And then on the 31st, I'll be here live.
		And for that event, I want you to write me a short synopsis of the very best, that's all we're going to put on the air, the very best ghost stories, just a short synopsis and your phone number.
		And then, of course, you're going to have to be available on that night because I will probably be trying to call you if you sent me a good ghost story.
		Send those ghost stories to Art Bell at AOL.com or Art Bell at mindspring.com.
		M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G.
		Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L lowercase at mindspring.com.
		Now, Dr. Nick Begich serves as Executive Director of the Lay Institute on Technology.
		He is the publisher and co-owner of Earth Pulse Press Incorporated.
		He was twice elected president of both the Alaska Federation of Teachers and the Anchorage Council of Education.
		He received his doctorate in traditional medicine from the Open International University for Complementary Medicine in 1994.
		Dr. Begich has also worked as both a tribal administrator and village planner for the Chickaloon Village Traditional Council, a federally recognized American Indian tribe, a tribe nation based in Alaska.
		He's written a number of books, Angels Don't Play This Harp, and They Don't.
		Earthrising, the Revolution Toward a Thousand Years of Peace, Earthrising 2, The Betrayal of Science, Society, and the Soul.
		And then finally, A DVD Mind Control, A Brave New World, or Enhancing Human Performance Technologies of the 21st Century.
		It is indeed an auspicious eve for Dr. Begich to be with us, which he will be in a moment.
		Dr. Nick Begich wrote, Angels Don't Play This Heart Long with a lot of other things.
		And so he's a veteran in, I guess, the same sense that I am.
		He's watched all this develop very carefully.
		And here we are, yet again, Dr. Begich, welcome to the program on a night when a major hurricane is approaching the shores of the United States.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's a time of extremes in terms of weather and climate.
		And I think we've been talking about this now for, well, at least a decade, you and I. It's continued to meet our expectations, no matter how bad they might be.
		And unfortunately, this is just another reflection of some of the expectations a lot of us have had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, I'm going to remind you to stay good and close to the phone so we have a good connection.
		And let's go back.
		Let's just spend a few minutes and talk about HAARP.
		A lot of people, in fact, let me go back to last hour and ask you a question.
		If a person now imagines or speculates that the weather is being in some way manipulated, would you classify that person as a crackpot or being out on the fringe of thinking?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wouldn't not at all because there's plenty in the scientific literature.
		And, you know, there's even a couple bills pending in Congress on this whole issue of weather modification.
		It's been around a long time.
		It continues to come up.
		It's just not one that's widely discussed, at least not in mainstream media, except on real rare occasions.
		That's a problem.
		But there's actually a treaty on weather modification and geophysical manipulation, which is things like creating tidal waves and earthquakes and those kinds of things, that goes back to the mid-70s that we ratified back in 1977.
		So the idea of creating these events has been around certainly long enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's a treaty saying that we, nor others, shall do such a thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, treaties are not always specifically adhered to, are they?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, in fact, you know, this one, like many, actually allow for domestic use.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		So if you can somehow assert that you're experimenting within the boundaries of your own sovereign country, the treaties generally don't apply.
unidentified		I see.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That includes chemical and biological treaties in this treaty as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and even beyond that, who can say that all will adhere to the treaty?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if somebody actually comes up with a way to control the course of a hurricane or whether in general, number one, they're not going to talk about it, right?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, generally, no, but, you know, the last three Secretaries of Defense have all suggested we abrogate or dump the old treaty dealing with environmental manipulation because we've advanced in this area.
		So, you know, they don't talk a lot about it, but just enough to kind of keep that discussion going.
		And, you know, we did that with the ABM Treaty once we came up with other concepts in missile defense and rationales for having it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		Let's talk a little about HAARP.
		Go back and talk a little bit about HAARP.
		It's located in your state.
		Right.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's about 250 miles northeast of Anchorage near a place called Gokona.
		And it started out as a 48-antenna field, phased array Field.
		These antennas are about 72 feet tall and then have a cross diapole going the opposite direction at the top.
		Now there's 180 in the array as of this year, and there's a lot more going on.
		Yeah, they've quadrupled it basically over this last two years, and so this year will be the first time they've been able to power it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How interesting is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you say power it up, they're going to be aiming how much radio frequency at the ionosphere?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the original goal, they wanted an effective radiated power of a billion watts.
		And that, from what we understand, that would take the full array, which is 360 antennas.
		So this would get them about halfway there.
		You know, that's a huge amount of energy.
		But what's different about this is by manipulating the energy or pulsing the energy, it capitalizes on energy that's already available naturally within the environment.
		And then based on how that energy reacts with the mechanism on the ground, you can release vastly larger amounts of energy and direct that energy.
		And that's where the real action is.
		HARP is sort of like the primer on a bullet.
		It's got the small amount of energy to release, the much more powerful energy that's already there.
		And that's kind of the idea behind this weather modification and geophysical manipulation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So we have this situation where most antennas, like the one you're, of the radio station you're listening to right now, folks, radiate from a point and widely disperse the signal so that everybody or as many people as possible can hear it.
		HARP operates the other way around.
		It begins as a wide signal on the ground, narrowing down to a virtual pinpoint of incredible amounts of energy to burn a hole in the atmosphere or ionosphere or what, Doctor?
		Now, let's talk about the purpose of HARP.
		The stated purpose of HARP and then perhaps that which is unstated but kind of known about that.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay, that's fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so what's it for?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's it supposed to be?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, the old term for these was ionospheric heaters, and you kind of alluded to that opening this up, is it would heat an area of the ionosphere, which begins about 30 miles above the Earth's surface, and push that area, say the 30-mile diameter area, shove it out maybe a couple extra hundred kilometers or more.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		What then happens is lower atmosphere moves in and fills that space and can be used for intersecting the orbit of a low-orbiting satellite, for instance, where then it encounters atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So wait a minute.
		The ionosphere at 30 miles, you're saying, right?
		Yeah.
		And it hits it so hard, it bulges out, and then like a balloon sort of pops, and then you can hit things in space or affect them?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, in low orbit.
		So what happens is objects that might be incoming, even space debris.
		That's one of the things the Soviets pointed out in some of their research, was that the idea of incoming objects that, when they hit the atmosphere, you know, they mostly burn up, and you've got about 30 miles to do this.
		In the case of these systems, you could actually project trajectories and push it out maybe 210 miles, say, or seven times the distance and be able to take care of much larger objects.
		Or, for weapons applications, low-orbiting satellites that don't need to encounter friction.
		One of the side effects of that is pressure systems below or jet streams in the vicinity below that then become altered by virtue of the fact that you've changed the conditions to a pretty dramatic degree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So again, let's go back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The stated purpose of HAARP is I didn't know it was knocking satellites out of the sky.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the things that shows up within the stated goals in the initial papers on the project, the others are communications, interfering and facilitating our own communications, being able to understand the character of the ionosphere and being able to establish and manipulate its character.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And the idea there was for communication purposes, you could disrupt everybody else's communication, but because you're propagating the signal that's doing that, you would be able to carry a signal that would allow your own communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this may not bear on what we're talking about, or maybe it does, but right now...
		Right.
		You know, people in the hurricane area were saying, you know, communications are being jammed here.
		But actually, Dr. Biggich, they weren't being jammed.
		Communications were, the ionosphere simply was so screwed up.
		And I'm telling you, it's screwed up right now.
		As we speak, this moment, as this hurricane approaches, the ionosphere is virtually deader than a doornail at 3 megahertz.
		I mean, it's just astounding.
		If you look at the X-ray chart right now, it's flatlined, baby.
		Flatline.
		And communications are not possible.
		So they're incredibly disrupted.
		I also had an email earlier saying HAARP was actually active today.
		Did you hear that?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, the problem is with the monitoring of HAARP is it's not being done routinely and reliably from what I can see.
		And that's been a problem.
		But, you know, when you talk about energetic disturbances in the ionosphere and then weather effects and the connection between all these systems, the thing that kind of underlies all of it is the energetic component.
		You know, even what you were saying last hour about viruses, you know, the mutation on viruses occurs often as a starting point, changes in the general energy state that surrounds different things change their way they're constructed and the way they're formed.
		And a good friend of mine, an electrophysiologist from Europe, predicted some years ago that with changes in the electromagnetic fields of the planet, you would see new strains of viruses and so on start to show up because of mutations.
		That kind of makes sense.
		And when you look at man's sort of adding in coherent energy in very unique ways and being able to take sort of the dynamo of the planet by being able to manipulate the magnetic field lines, which is really what HAARP is all about, and programs like HARP are really all about, are understanding ways to do that for weapons applications.
		And then there's all kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that actually stated in the goals, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the idea of manipulating the ionosphere to destabilize it, to create chaos within the system, see how it restabilizes, being able to learn ways to propagate signals through the ionosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's taking A system like our ionosphere and saying, hey, let's screw it up and see how it manages to heal itself.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, you know, how bright is that?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's not very bright.
		You know, and that's why we've been fighting this thing for as long as we have.
		And, you know, the European Parliament weighed in on it back in 98, the Russian doom in 2002.
		And it continues to kind of surface here and there.
		Even in the late, recently, September 30th this year, there was a story in Pravda dealing with HARP.
		And there was another one in the Hindustan Times the same day this year.
		So it shows up, but it's just not being really looked at in the way that I think it should be with some real serious treaty dialogue because the risks, when you look at what's happening across the planet for natural reasons, what we're adding into that mix right now is very, very dangerous.
		And you've got a lot of history within the United States of looking at these types of systems as something that might be desirable in terms of weapons applications.
		And then you've got, there's a quote that we actually published back in 2000, and it was from a conference on terrorism and weapons of mass destruction and U.S. strategy.
		It was from April 28, 1997, and it was a DOD press briefing with Secretary of Defense William Cohen, and he said, and I quote, others are engaging even in an ecotype of terrorism whereby they can alter climate, set off earthquakes and volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves, unquote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tesla stuff.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I mean, really.
		But think about this.
		here's a secretary of defense saying, hey, look, these are the weapons of mass destruction you'd be concerned about back in 1997 when he made that statement.
unidentified		And then you look at...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even with HAARP, Dr. Page, let's think about this.
		HAARP is going to take a lot of money.
		It is taking a lot of money.
		And so now they're at sort of a medium stage in terms of the power and the antennas, but they're still going forward.
		Now, if nothing was happening in an encouraging way, if nothing, for example, had happened by now with HARP to encourage them to know that they're being successful in whatever the hell they're trying to do, they would have stopped the money, but they're going forward.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		DARPA's got it now.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's not even the Air Force and Navy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, DARPA has it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did that happen?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That was about a year and a half, two years ago.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		DARPA took it over, and it was at the same time that Ray sold the underlying company, which owned the patents to the technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That alone is astounding.
		DARPA has taken over the HARP project.
		How totally.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		They run it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's their deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's their deal.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And the thing about that is, it's interesting to be on that subject, is the guy that runs DARPA is a guy named Tony Tether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tony Tether?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a director of DARPA.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And he was the first person after the Assistant Secretary of Defense that Bernard Eastland presented his concepts on HARP to in the very beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remind everybody of what DARPA stands for.
unidentified		It's a Defense Agency Research.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I forget exactly, but it's a research group for the DOD, the Department of Defense.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And they do essentially the black projects, the highly classified once projects go to a certain extent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		So, Doctor, then what are we to infer or imagine when DARPA took this over?
		I mean, what does that probably mean?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, several things.
		You know, they did a few things that we know they were able to accomplish.
		The Earth-penetrating tomography application, the idea of looking into the Earth or X-raying the Earth by analogy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, folks, this is where they bounce a signal off the ionosphere so damn strong that it comes down and examines the inner Earth somehow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an amazing thing by itself.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's not a lot of energy, it's just the frequency.
		It's again, it's an extremely low frequency signal, penetrates easily, but they can measure it and get really good profile of what's going on for several kilometers deep.
		The other thing that, you know, this application of missile defense is where we always have said this is eventually going.
		I still believe that with HAARP.
		When you think about being able to, this has some applications for the over-the-horizon radar, being able to look around the curvature of the Earth by creating what are called ionospheric mirrors.
		And without getting into all of that, but just the idea of being able to do that, but then increasing the energy sufficiently to create what's called an EMP or an electromagnetic pulse or surge of energy to knock out the electronics on those incoming objects.
		And, you know, I don't know, they followed this missile defense nonsense.
		They're building these interceptors up here and putting them in the ground in Alaska.
		And I'm laughing because it's another couple billion dollars down the drain because it's a very impractical solution when, in fact, the real solutions are going to be energy-based weapons that literally travel at the speed of light, not some horse-drawn buggy of a missile interceptor.
		I mean, that's just not the way it's going to work in the long run.
		And I think the literature supports that.
		And when you look at HARP, HAARP was this idea of taking and looking at how you could manipulate energy for lots of different uses and.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's happening virtually as we speak or within the last hours of when we're speaking.
		So it's active and doing whatever it's doing.
		And now we learn that HAARP is now under the auspices of DARPA.
		Isn't that an interesting surprise?
		Something that started out as sort of a, oh, I don't know, seemingly very innocent research project has now been turned over to DARPA.
		And DARPA, besides having a lot of black projects, it gets involved in all these things that really do something.
		So we should conclude, I think, that HARP really does something.
		We'll talk more about it in a moment.
unidentified		We'll talk more about it in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The measurement of X-rays, when we look at ionospheric phenomena, the X-rays hitting the Earth is almost like the patient died.
		If you look at the chart, it's just absolutely flat-lined, and the shortwave bands, mostly right now, are next to useless.
		Now, I'm not saying that it's hard that's doing it, but gee, isn't it reasonable to have a suspicion something burning holes in the ionosphere and trying to affect the ionosphere, perhaps as you pointed out in a negative way, is doing it?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, it's certainly absolutely plausible.
		You know, one of the advantages of these systems, as they're discussed in the military literature, is the idea of plausible deniability.
		You know, the idea of affecting weather systems or affecting communication systems, and then being able to blame it essentially on space weather phenomena or other phenomena, really a lot of what this is about.
		But at the same time, sort of the understanding of one thing leads to another.
		And unfortunately, with this facility and facilities like it, huge risks are taken on because you can affect something in one area and have a dramatic and unforeseen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about that a little bit.
		Huge risks.
		Now, that's a big phrase.
		Huge risks.
		Now, who is being put at a huge risk?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, everyone is at some level.
		I mean, because here's the thing.
		If you trigger instabilities, you know, by manipulating energy within the planet itself, and you trigger instabilities that maybe otherwise wouldn't be released in the same way, say, an earthquake fault zone.
		And this is some of the stuff that Cohen was talking about.
		The idea that if you look around earthquake regions, there's been this recording of low-frequency signals surrounding earthquakes and even volcanic eruptions.
		And then there's certain ionospheric phenomena that are connected to weather systems.
		There's a lot of things that start to connect all these energetic systems together.
		And so when you start inputting energy in a much different form in one end, expecting one result, you may get many other results you don't anticipate.
		And that's where the risks lie.
		I mean, the Earth-penetrating tomography application, this idea of looking into the Earth, you know, utilizing essentially the effects of resonant energy that goes through easy transit the earth, easily reflects a signal back, but at the same time could set up standing waves that trigger an increase in energy through a resonance effect that actually cause an earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Doctor, who is overseeing the scientists who are taking these risks?
		Who is the overseer to ensure that we don't take a crazy risk?
		I really...
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Really, because you have DARPA in control of the overall project, you have lots of, you know, innocently so, in many cases, contributing scientists that are developing some narrow part of this research and understanding of this research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's nobody to tell the DARPA dynam not to pull the third switch.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And, you know, when you think about it, some of the references in the literature, the military's own literature refers to this as sort of the plasma lab in the sky because of what they can do with it.
		And, you know, some of us, you know, kind of look at that a little differently because of how important this is.
		I mean, for some of the weapons application, the idea of sending energy up and using the magnetic field lines of the planet itself as sort of wave guides is one of the applications for missile defense systems.
		And so that changes its very character.
		And, you know, there's things going on within the Earth that are already being noted.
		I mean, pole shift, as an example, is a reflection of magnetic field line changes.
		Here we are dumping more energy into a disturbed system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could something like this be the trigger for a pole shift?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Sure, why not?
		You know, here's the thing.
		The straw on the camel's back, and that's what so many people are looking at to already stress systems.
		You know, when you talk about the energy of hurricanes, as an example, that's a tremendous amount of energy involved in the generation of hurricanes.
		But the mechanism has to do with ocean temperature heating and the relationship between ocean temperature and the way weatherfronts form and currents move.
		But when you start to look at factors on the planet right now contributing to the effects of global warming or effects on these systems, you know, there's claims have been made going back to an article in the Wall Street Journal in 1997.
		It was November 13th.
		They were talking about blowing out the smog coming into Asia from the Indonesian fires with an artificially created cyclone in the Russians office.
		That's right.
		So it's not, I mean, why should anyone discount what the Wall Street Journal is reporting as plausible science?
		And not just them, but you look at the military's own papers on the subject of what they call owning the weather or controlling the battle space in this way.
		And it's about both communications and about the actual manipulation of the weather systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's talk about manipulation for a second.
		One might observe, Doctor, that if we are presently manipulating the weather, we're really doing a rotten job.
		Because look at what's happened this year.
		Hurricane after hurricane after hurricane.
		If we could move them, you'd think we'd have done it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you know, here's the thing about all that.
		And there's been a lot of speculation about, you know, what's going on with weather systems.
		But what is happening on kind of an ad hoc basis is this sort of experimentation within the boundaries of these treaties.
		But, you know, the idea is you can't localize weather to political boundaries because weather flows where the currents go, and that has nothing to do with lines we draw on a map.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, a sensitive question.
		Do you suppose, Doctor, that if they felt they had it within their power with HAARP or whatever else they've got up their sleeves these days to increase or manipulate the size or intensity or even direction of a hurricane, that they would they go ahead and do it?
		Would they take the risk?
		Would there be nobody there to say no?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's say, let me put it this way, is when you start looking at all these kinds of technologies, you can go back to some of the writings of guys like Zbignubrzynski when he wrote Between Two Ages, and he talked about weather manipulation.
		He was national security advisor to President Carter later in his career.
		But in the early 70s, he basically said, look, all these things were going to come about.
		Weather modification issues were in that, as well as a lot of other technologies that have eventually come to pass.
		But he said basically the temptation to use them would probably outweigh any good sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The temptation to use them would outweigh any good sense.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's, I'm paraphrasing a bit.
		But, you know, the idea of these technologies being utilized, I mean, there's a lot of salivating in military circles about controlling a battle environment.
		I mean, think about waging a covert war where you either create drought conditions or flooding conditions for sustained periods of time and the effect on populations.
		And you can see the advantage of being able to do that when you want to wage a war without announcing it.
		And our government's been fairly well known for that over the last 50 or 60 years in any case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do we have any idea of how far we've come?
		I assume that if there were weather modification technologies that are presently working, we wouldn't say one word about it.
		So we don't really know how far we've come.
		There's been this great giant silence about this.
		We just don't hear about the black projects that are trying to control the weather.
		So we have no idea how far they've come or haven't, right?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, we can only see the tip of the iceberg because there's only small references.
		I mean, there's one paper, it's called Weather as a Force Multiplier Owning the Weather by 2025.
		That's an Air Force document.
		There's other references that can be pointed to that really kind of lay a foundation.
		But the idea, and then you look at the legislation, there's a Senate Bill 517 and House Resolution 2995, and both are to establish Weather Modification Operations and Research Board in the United States.
		And this is for looking at civilian and military applications of weather modification.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was, you know, I mean, if you look at the recent hurricane damage, we have been damaged probably beyond the wildest expectations of any terrorist out there right now.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they couldn't have done a better job.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So could this be being used against us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there the possibility, for example, that other countries have not been so much adhering to this treaty and they've plowed ahead and they've caused some of this?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Sure, and the other part of it is not everybody's signed on.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's only 60 countries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Chinese?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know that they are signed on, actually.
		I know the Russians are.
		But the point is, when you start talking about weather modification, somebody had blamed the Russians in the case of Katrina, and they got all offended by it.
		But at the same time, they acknowledged their own programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody did blame the Russians?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it actually came out.
		Some American meteorologist Scott Stevens actually did.
		And Pravda then responded with a story in September 30th this year, 2005.
		People can look it up.
		And it's USA and Russians supposedly developed secret meteorological weapons.
		American meteorologist Scott Stevens has recently written that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Pravda responded.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we didn't or what?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was kind of like that.
		And it was saying that it was referencing back to, you remember Zaranovsky talking about these really wild weapons that they had, that they could create floods in America and do all this stuff by just changing the gravitational fields of the planet slightly.
		This is exactly what Pravda quotes within this article, which is exactly the kind of stuff that we're talking about when we're talking about HAARP, is you're manipulating it slightly, but that slightly has the butterfly effect, if you will, a small input, big output.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a whole thing about HARP, isn't it?
		Small.
		Isn't that exactly what they intend with HARAP?
		A small, relatively small input, and then a spreading domino effect or the butterfly effect or whatever you want to call it.
unidentified		Right.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		What's actually is using kind of the equation, I think we used it once when you and I have talked about this, is it's like dominoes stacking them up from wherever you are all the way to Paris.
		And you increase them in size a little bit each time.
		So by the time you get to Paris, you've got one the size of the Eiffel Tower, and you can kind of flick the first one with a half an ounce weight, and then by the time it gets to the Eiffel Tower, you crush the Eiffel Tower with this giant domino.
		Now, it wasn't a little half-ounce weight that got discharged, it's the gravitational energy that got picked up along the way.
		So think about HAARP as picking up energy from the ionosphere along the way, if you will, and then being able to manipulate that for very specific uses.
		Now, that's where you get this incredible multiplier effect because the ionosphere has more energy potential than everything generating on the planet at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, do you remember in many previous programs, HARP was originally kind of more of an open way to put this?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's what they said, but remember, how many times have they taken up the invitation to come on and have a chat about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
		True.
		Now, since then, it has become far blacker, far now finally in DARPA's hands for goodness sakes.
		And what do you think the odds are now of getting any viable real information out of them?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much.
		Sliminun, huh?
		But here's what shows up.
		This is interesting.
		Some of the other branches of the military occasionally in trying to justify their programs have made reference to HAARP as for communications and communication disruption, there's something that shows up in the Army literature.
		There's something that shows up on Army literature dealing with weather modification, as an example.
		There was a follow-on paper done by Dr. Eeslon, the inventor of the HAARP system, for the European Space Agency on knocking out the energy in tornadoes, and then also one done using HAARP systems for that.
		And then one done for NASA and FEMA, interestingly enough, a few years back for Knocking out the energy in tornadoes using a laser or space-based system for accomplishing the same kind of thing by being able to manipulate heat energy as the basic mechanism behind how that sort of shearing action of tornadoes is created.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Doctor.
		Well, we had the Russian BOAST.
		Now, do you think that, what do you think about that BOAST?
		I mean, they said they could create a cyclone, and that was years and years ago.
		They could do it by satellite.
		Now, how do you imagine they might do something like that?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think they have figured out, you know, how to trigger those kinds of instabilities or create heat releases within the oceans sufficiently to generate those kinds of events.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And that's really what it's about, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, Doctor, enough to create a low-pressure system or to start, you know, a low-pressure system begins very innocently.
		And before you know it, then it's a tropical depression and then it's a hurricane and then it's killing people and causing billions of dollars of damage.
		Now, do you think that concentrated energy, for example, in the Eastern Caribbean somewhere could actually create a tropical condition, begin to lower the millibars and start this butterfly effect that ends up in these monster storms?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think perhaps.
		And at the same time, I think adding energy into an already existing system is possible.
		And this creates other kinds of problems.
		And when the Earth is already demonstrating a huge instability and then you start adding in the kind of energy in the forms that we're talking about, that's where the real risks are.
		I mean, you may be looking at a storm front and dealing with a problem there or attempting to and might in fact trigger some other unexpected event.
		And this is where, you know, we're trying to literally manipulate systems now that have tremendous impact on humankind, and we're capable of doing it, but we don't have the capability of modeling the whole system and understanding clearly the consequences of those actions.
		And that's why the military shouldn't be in this business at all, in my view, because it's not an opportunity for legitimate scientists from other disciplines across the board to take a look and make sure things are being done, if they're being done at all, safely.
		And there's some applications of Eastland's ideas with these ionospheric heaters that isn't even being looked at that actually might be the most interesting of all.
		And one of them was actually creating chemical reactions in the upper atmosphere that would knock out specific pollutants using radio frequency energy or adding in ozone by triggering the kind of reactions necessary for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there could be an upside to this research.
		Who knows?
		Even they don't know.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		And the problem is they've never had the ability to do what they can do with radio frequency energies such as HARP.
		And there's this big gap between the sciences primarily because of compartmentalization and military research where one branch really doesn't suit the other is doing, which when you're dealing with big energy manipulations, that's where a whole lot of other scientists need to be involved when it involves the entire planet's energetic system.
		And that's the stuff of HARP and some of the larger weapons technologies are being developed today are energy-based systems that have potentially profound health as well as environmental effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm still thinking of what you said earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The idea that, well, let's screw up the ionosphere and see if it heals itself and how.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way they put it is let's create a condition to where it goes into chaos and then stabilizes at some other level and see where that level is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Create chaos.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and just to put the system into a chaotic condition and then see how it restabilizes when you switch the device off or manipulate it in some other fashion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they really were after chaos, maybe they've got it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		And, you know, here, you know, this is one of the things that some of the other scientists have said, you know, that we've collaborated with over the years is the idea that during times of extreme solar activity, and then you utilize a system like that, then you might even trigger some things that are even vastly more powerful.
		At the same time, you're getting huge surges of energy potentials coming into our system anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all should be very happy that there's an oversight committee looking into each one of these things before they're done to make sure we don't make a mistake.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, correction to everything I just gave you.
		It was all correct with the exception of the fact that winds are now 120 miles an hour.
		In the latest advisory, winds have hit 120 miles an hour.
		So it's continuing to increase as it approaches the coast about 50 miles or so from Key West.
		Now, this is a horrible scenario for Key West because the majority of the people in Key West did not evacuate.
		And there's kind of a strange story there.
		You know, the so-called conks are very hard-headed and they don't like to leave.
		That's one.
		And another is there's a grotto, a religious grotto on Key West.
		And there was a nun who had promised that as long as the grotto remained, that Key West would not feel the effects, the major effects or the direct effects of any more hurricanes as long as the grotto remained.
		So some people took that article, take that as an article of faith.
		And it looks like the very worst now is headed for Key West.
		In fact, CNN has a reporter barely able to stand in Key West right now as the worst part of the storm no doubt approaches.
		People are on their knees in order to remain in view of the camera.
		So it's pretty wild time, folks.
		All this approaching our coast, we're talking with Dr. Nick Begich in Alaska, not very far from the project we're talking about, this HAARP project that sends beams of energy, radio frequency energy, into the ionosphere for a number of possible goals.
		And Dr. Begich, I've got a note here.
		You know, I get these little computer fast blasts as we go.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		All right, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this one is, let me see, who's it from?
		From Wellington, a Ph.D. at Cambridge, who says, quote, the following is taken directly from the official government HAARP site.
		Quote: The HAAA program is completely unclassified.
		There are no classified documents pertaining to HARP.
		The Environmental Impact Process EIP documents have always been available.
		Any response?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Environmental Impact Statement documents, I have a set of them, and they really just deal with the ground disturbance.
		They don't deal with what's going on with the energy itself except in a pretty cursory way.
		And that's the root of the underlying issue that's been raised by us as well as many others from the scientific community, both in Europe and around the world.
		And it's been the idea that energy manipulations for these purposes should be restricted.
		And I agree with that.
		And what the research is showing more and more is that very small amounts of energy within certain window frequencies can trigger all kinds of events, both within our own physiology, which is one of the big concerns, as well as act as triggering events for these kinds of geophysical disturbances.
		And it's not just us saying it.
		In fact, it's not us saying it at all.
		We've just taken a huge amount of literature, and in the course of taking a look at that literature, primarily the government's own work on their own project, and disclosing it, what you see is a very complex system designed for a number of purposes, all of which are pretty exciting from a military perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Military perspective.
		Doctor, a number of years ago, we began the series of interviews on HAARP and things like it.
		How much access do you have now to be able to talk to people in the project itself and say, look, what are you doing?
		Where are you?
		And all the rest of that?
		How have you done?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		None in terms of being able to contact them directly and get that kind of information.
		Ben Eastland, on the other hand, has maintained a dialogue with me, and we continue that dialogue.
		And in fact, I'm hoping that as time goes on, we'll be able to talk a little bit more about some of the things that are coming out of his own papers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you suppose the chances are of getting Eastland on the radio?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, this would be interesting.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, he actually, we've been kind of talking about that recently because there are some things, you know, his secrecy agreements with our co-expired a few years back, and he's got, you know, a fair amount of information that's kind of interesting and compelling on the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you ask him if he'd be willing to come on the program with you?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll do it.
		You know, I think that would be fun.
		And actually, I think he might take us up on that offer.
		It would be the first time we've really done that.
		You know, we recently did a piece.
		You know, HARP does this annual kind of dog and pony show open house here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		So APRN, the public radio affiliate here in Alaska, actually did a segment with Ben and I. And afterwards, you know, we started talking about the possibility of maybe collaborating and taking the rest of his information and getting it out in some fashion.
		And radio was part of that discussion.
		So I'll pursue that more seriously.
		Maybe we'll get some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would absolutely love to do that program.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It would be a lot of fun, actually.
		And I just think he just might be inclined to do it.
		So I'll make contact with him and see what we can arrange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What percentage of what he knows would you guess he'd be able to talk about?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Quite a bit, actually, you know, because his agreements were corporate agreements which had expirations.
		And, you know, I mean, the things he did with military projects he certainly can't get into.
		And Ben Eastland, Dr. Eastland, has a big background in working in military projects going back, you know, Department of Energy days in the 1950s.
		So he's been around a long time, but I know he's been working on some applications in the area of weather modification that he thinks are interesting and things that can you tell us anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously he's told you something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		The big concerns are, I can tell you, is from my conversations with him and with others, is that as they get up to the energy levels they're now starting to delve into, you can really create some pretty dramatic effects.
		And the concern he has also is, you know, his work was done 20 years ago, and antenna design and efficiency and software design and efficiency and all of that has changed, you know, dramatically since then.
		So when you kind of couple all this together...
		That certainly is possible.
		Absolutely possible.
		With these kind of systems.
		In terms of Katrina, he and I have had that discussion, and I would agree with him that to create this with HARP is probably unlikely.
		Affecting it in some different ways is highly probable or possible.
		But again, creating it because of the energy amount involved in Katrina is so huge.
		And just what he knows of the physics of HAARP, it would be difficult to see how that could happen at this stage of the game.
		But having said that, being able to affect its energy density or affect other systems that might impact it, that's a whole nother matter.
		And I think that's where we could have some pretty interesting discussion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, though, you would imagine that he would be perhaps privy in at least a general way into the way this technology is being applied right now.
		And not all of it could be talked about.
		I'd almost be willing to bet.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, but he's been out of a lot of those projects where he can pretty much, based on his own experience within programs, he may not be able to comment on those, but you can pretty well predict the state of the technology based on what's happening in your field.
		And Ben Eastland's no slouch, so he's a very good physicist, and I think he's got a lot of integrity.
		Over the years, as we've gotten to know Dr. Eastland, he was interested in this project for all of the right reasons as a scientist and inventor.
		The problem has become, and I think he would be the first to say it, and he does in fact say it in many of his papers since, is the lack of generalists, or at least sort of the overview view of science is everyone's so specialized that no one really considers perhaps the implications Of their own science against what else it might be doing.
		And that's the case of these high-energy systems used for all of the applications that are being contemplated right now.
		And that's where electrophysiologists and others need to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even though we don't know, Doctor, I can honestly tell you that a lot of ham operators out there are going, what the hell is going on?
		They really are with communications.
		It's that bad.
		That's the ionosphere.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something weird and bad is happening.
		Then we look at the weather, we look at the viruses, and you begin to put the whole picture together along with global warming.
		For example, Doctor, if you look south to the calving icebergs and look north to the lack of ice and look at the last 40 or 50 years of polar region change.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And I've watched it personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's startling.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it actually goes back even further.
		You know, the problem is these Arctic regions haven't been populated so widely and things track for very long periods of time, at least in this part of the world and in northern Siberia and so on.
		But when you look at sort of what happens, you know, with the Arctic ice sort of pulling back, it creates larger areas of open water that then retain heat more efficiently, that then cause permafrost to melt on land, that then cause methane gas and other greenhouse gases to be released, which then accelerate the whole cycle.
		And we're experiencing that here, and it's been going on quite a long time.
		If you go back, I mean, the area I'm standing in, right where I'm standing less than a couple thousand years ago, were many thousands of feet of ice above my head.
		I mean, that's not very long ago in geologic time.
		And when you look at what's happening in the Arctic regions, it's literally the canary in the cave because things are amplified in the Arctic and the Antarctic, and that's where you're seeing the big effects of whatever's going on in climate change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, the last time I was in your area, last time I was in Alaska, the tour guide was just saying some amazing things.
		This is years ago now.
		And they were saying the permafrost is melting in your state, and trees are starting to die, and weird things are beginning to happen because of all these changes going on in Alaska.
		And of course, you're kind of like on the edge there between the real cold stuff up north and here.
		So you're kind of in that area that's going to be most affected by a minor change, right?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly right.
		And the ocean temperatures here, not in the El Niño cycles, but in the opposite periods, have actually increased in temperature in some years by 5 to 15 degrees, which is, you know, when you talk about ocean temperature changes, they start getting real concerned when you talk about one degree change on the average.
		But the averages are over the whole planet.
		The polar regions are where those averages are amplified.
		And so, you know, that's a huge change in terms of what happens here.
		And then as the oceans are the engine for weather and jet stream flows, all of that then gets affected.
		And so, you know, you've got other factors that aren't even considered.
		We wrote some years ago back in the late 90s the proposal that perhaps some of the problems with the El Niño and the climate change cycle were directly related to undersea venting and volcanics, you know, because most of the world is covered by the oceans and they've mapped in the South Pacific alone, you know, I believe it's now 1,200 volcanoes that exist under the seas.
		And so, you know, energy that gets released in that way is retained.
		100% is absorbed into the ocean.
		You know, try and heat something from the surface, you know, with a flashlight.
		You know, I mean, the temperatures of the oceans are such that they're stratified based on temperature, so the warmer areas stay close to the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, the natives of your state, how are they being affected by these?
		These are pretty radical.
		So what's going on with the natives in Alaska?
		How's it dramatically, you say?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have like 60 coastal communities that are disappearing.
		We have one area where one of the elders recently was quoted as remembering in the last 30 years where he had about three to four miles of marshland and lakes between him and the ocean, and now he has a few feet to his door.
		Really?
		This area, because of the extreme changes in climate and the opening of the oceans, really have created some pretty profound changes.
		When you look at the Arctic slope, they've taken images from high-flying aircraft and satellite images for decades, and comparing those images show changes in the vegetation footprint.
		We have bees on the North Slope.
		There's no word for that kind of insect up there in the native tongues because they didn't exist.
		I mean, we've had and are having a significant change in climate in Alaska that will have and is already having a profound effect on the rest of the planet, along with all of the Arctic regions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing, Doctor.
		If I were, let's say, President of the United States or some other powerful country and I observed what was going on globally, I would be, no doubt, concerned.
		And I would turn to my advisors and say, look, it's like UFOs.
		To your advisors, look, do we have the ability to control or change what appears to be a terrible situation bearing down on the planet on which we live?
		So can we do anything about it?
		Is there anything, any way to affect what seems to be happening?
		I would ask my advisors.
		Now, I'm sure that's happened, Doctor.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		HAARP would be one of the areas they might look.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		And in fact, when you start looking at, you know, what are the contingencies, you know, military is charged to plan for kind of every contingency that might create insecurity within the country.
		And certainly, you know, climate change, I think, is the biggest security issue on the planet right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real high on the list.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, because you're jeopardizing food security and production security when, you know, you can debate until the cows come home, and they will debate whether it's man's fault or nature's fault.
		But that debate should be laid aside and recognized the change is here, and it's not reversing.
		And we've been saying it for well over a decade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amen on that one.
		They've got to stop arguing about what it is doing it and begin reacting to reality.
		Yeah, and this obviously is underway.
		This is a very serious change underway.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		And when you start looking at all of that, it's not really a time for closed to the public experimentation with the very systems that are driving what is happening.
		And here's the thing: these things don't reverse like overnight.
		This cycle is a cycle that even if you assume that man was fully responsible and you shut everything down today, you've got a hundred years to wait to catch up with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But doctor, you can't talk about it.
		If you so much as officially discuss the possibility of weather control manipulation, then people immediately begin to think that you, well, are eliminating, and we've had such a bad time of it.
		The liability would be so astronomical, the potential liability.
		People sue things for any, other people for anything these days.
		So the liability would be so astounding, you could never, ever say a word about it.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Never.
		And you have to look at this as doing this kind of activity.
		If it may have this downstream effect you don't expect, you may solve, say, your own crop failure problem one year and cause somebody else's crops to fail.
		If that was us on the other end of that equation, we'd consider that an act of war, I'm sure.
		I'm sure we would.
		And that's again where you start to look at, we may get a certain advantage for ourselves, but create a huge problem for someone else.
		I don't think that's the answer.
		I think, you know, really when you start looking at it, the recognition of these are periodic shifts for whatever reason.
		You know, I mean, 4,000 years ago, for goodness sake, the last mastodon left Alaska.
		You know, that's not very long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it isn't.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, we've seen climate change results in profound implications historically, but I think it's more complex than what we're seeing today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, look, human beings, you said it yourself.
		You know, we're used to thinking in terms of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of years for these changes to occur.
		But in our lifetimes, it seems as though we're seeing many more profound changes than we should ever see in a human lifetime.
		This has got to mean something big.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly right.
		And that's exactly the point is, you know, the curve on all of these areas, you know, if you look at all the kinds of signals, whether it's shifts in the magnetic pole accelerating or whether it's earthquake or storm intensity increasing or whether it's any of these energy releases, they're all got the same sharp spike on the curve.
		And that's where you go, wait a minute, how much more can this planet take and what are we adding into it?
		How much more?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you add on to that these viruses, emerging viruses that we have.
		And it kind of forms a totality of a picture if you want to put it all together.
		Maybe it's wrong to put it all together, but it's almost irresistible, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The outer wall of the hurricanes now passing through Key West.
		So just an incredible night at the end of an incredible hurricane season.
		And so I think it's a natural thing that people are going to wonder about the kinds of things that we're talking about tonight, Dr. Vagic.
		Mike in Auburn, Washington, pretty far out question, says, controlling our sun certainly would control the weather, wouldn't it?
		Ask Dr. Vagic if he knows anything about any experiments to try and control solar weather cycles.
		That solar weather cycles, which, of course, ultimately would control the weather on Earth.
		It might be one way to curb global warming or, I suppose, exacerbate it, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think so.
		That's just, I think, not in the realm of possibilities that I know of anyway.
		The idea of affecting the ionosphere is sort of affecting the secondary component of that, because that's what we see that disturbance, then we see the consequences of it.
		If we can manipulate that, which is what systems like HARP are about, then that becomes a much different game.
		When you were talking before the break about the interference with radio ham operators, you remember the woodpecker signal back in the 70s?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vividly.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and this is not the same problem, but the same result.
		And that was attributed to the old ionosphere keeters that existed in the former Soviet Union back in the 70s, which were the precursors to the current HARP system.
		The HAARP system is just more powerful, more versatile, and capable, based on decades of science advancements in the areas that affect this area entirely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I could get my hands on the person controlling the ionosphere right now, if in fact they are, I'd like to, well, I'd not be happy with them.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, here's a paper, you know, when we were debating, we were supposed to be actually debating NATO in the European Parliament in February of 98, and they wouldn't show up.
		On the story was that, you know, they didn't have any interest in ionospheric modification for any sort of weapons uses.
		And so we opened that hearing, actually, with a document called Ionospheric Modification for Weapons Applications by NATO France.
		That was an unclassified document.
		And that went back to the mid and early 90s, when that kind of discussion was happening within NATO.
		And when you start to look at how important the ionosphere is to military systems, and if you start to think about military systems becoming highly vulnerable the more they depend and become technologically dependent, the finer the circuits, the more easily disrupted by energy as a weapon in and of itself.
		So when you start to think about energy as a concept, the way it's being embraced by military today, it's what they call their Revolution in Military Affairs, or RMA, which is this concept of getting away from the bullets and the bombs of the past and talking about manipulating energetic systems in ways that are perhaps even more devastating, but maybe more precisionally controlled.
		So they actually refer to this whole area as controlled effects, which shows up in a June 2004 issue of Technology Horizons By the Air Force, it's something put together by their Directed Energy Directorate, which deals with this whole area of manipulating environmental systems, hardware, software, and, in fact, human beings.
		And when you start to look at the whole scale of where this technology is headed, of which HARP is but a small part, and maybe a metaphor, you know, because of all the coverage it's gotten over the years for this entire advancement that's taking place in military science, that's quite risky at this point in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One application of HAARP has always been speculated to be some kind of mind control or some kind of control of human beings.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And this goes back to, again, references by Brzezinski in Between Two Ages, the book he wrote while at Columbia University.
		And he was referring to J.F. Gordon McDonald's work, who was a geophysicist at UCLA, who was a science advisor, incidentally, to President Johnson.
		And what he was suggesting is that if we could ever figure out how to electronically stroke the ionosphere in just the right way, we could return a signal to the Earth that would manipulate the behavior of human beings over large geographic areas.
		And so then you take that and you kind of look at, say, the work of Jose Delgado at Yale University, and he started by mapping the brain.
		And by the mid-80s, he was using radio frequency signals at 1 50th of what the Earth naturally produces.
		Very small energy concentrations, well within the capability of HAARP, according to the HAARP planners.
		yes are able to manipulate the behavior and brain chemistry of humans like in Well, taking them from, say, highly aggressive to very passive, as an example, by being able to affect with these external signals where the brain will actually entrain, will lock onto those external signals operating within what's called a window frequency.
		And these are where the action is.
		It's like dialing through the radio tonight to get to this program.
		You know, people got mostly static between the stations, but when they had resonance, harmony between the transmitter and receiver, you got a nice clear signal and they got to hear our voices.
		Well, the same is true with every single thing that exists, you know, and particularly living organisms.
		And the understanding of that allows you then to manipulate the biochemistry of human beings or anything else if you do it intentionally.
		More importantly, what's happening today on the planet is accidentally, because you've got these huge interactions between electromagnetic fields and chemicals that we're introducing on an increasing basis that are causing all kinds of problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no shortage of wars.
		We're involved in one at the moment.
		So if we had weapons that could control mines, would we not have already been using them?
		Or maybe a better question is, have we already used them?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's the better question.
		And the answer is absolutely yes.
		In fact, if you go back, there was a report done going back to the 70s.
		It was a presidential report on the Central Intelligence Agency, June 1976, where they actually slapped the CIA for their mind control experiments.
		But when you look at more recent conflicts, the first Gulf War, when all those guys were surrendering en masse, you know, there was a Scottish press report that came out after the war, something we had speculated on, saying that the most devastating weapon was an infosound technology where they embedded signals on the radio broadcast, broadcasting the Muslim music and prayers in a way that created fear and panic in the population.
		And when you look at what happened to the fourth largest army in the world, you know, it kind of makes a lot more sense than the excuses we've heard, which is bombardment, you know.
		But think about dumping ordnance in London or any of the communities during World War II.
		You know, it happened consistently at civilian populations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly do recall the astounding headlines that people, soldiers, were giving up in these massive, incredible, unreasonable numbers.
		I mean, just giving up crazy.
		Do you think it was used?
		You think it was used?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do, actually.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's, you know, this device that they announced some years ago, this radio frequency dish that's mounted on a Humvee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And they talked about it for heating the surface of the skin and so on.
		You know, that's all true and plausible.
		But if you look at the radio frequency dosometry handbook commissioned by the United States Air Force Science Advisory Board at the University of Utah, you can find out that by tuning that, by changing its frequency, waveform, pulse rate, or any number of perimeters, you can affect any vital organ of the body in a devastating way, causing heart attack in a crowd, for instance, or manipulating the lungs, liver, kidneys, etc.
		And that's what they don't tell you.
		As they introduce new technology to the battlefield, they give you sort of a plausible story for why this thing is sitting there.
		But the use of radio frequency energy, when you look at the research, it's pretty astounding.
		And in all three of the books that we've written, there's over 1,350 sources cited.
		The DVDs we've produced have the same kind of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the DVD?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do we talk about that?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		What we did is we produced actually two of them.
		One is the one on mind control, and it deals with this whole topic and kind of breaks down sort of the sinister side of what's happening and how that technology evolved.
		But then flipping that around, talking about some of the things happening in this area from brain biofeedback to light and sound devices, electroacupuncture, some of the things happening in energy science is pretty exciting, and we demonstrate a lot of that.
		The other one is technologies of the 21st century, which is four subjects.
		It deals with updates on HARP, which people have asked for for a number of years now, so we try to do that in a good way.
		Also, underwater sonars and their implications globally, we get into that.
		cell phones we get into a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then the privacy-related technologies show how those interconnect and where they're I would imagine you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you probably know when HAARP is very active, don't you?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, from time to time.
		You know, I don't work with anyone consistently, and that's been a bit of a problem in terms of getting really good reports that are reliable on HAARP.
		But what we've seen over the years, again, they've continued to increase it.
		The funding continues to flow.
		And when you look at what they've already demonstrated to get the existing funding, it's pretty amazing.
		And the implications of it, there's no stretching, it's just taking their own literature and collating it in a way where people can see it in one place.
		And that's essentially what we've done on these technology areas.
		And I think that's these are the most important areas, I think, for us in this century are going to be these very areas where we now have this unique capability as human beings of doing these things.
		And the big question is, should we be doing them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And who is it who is asking those questions?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the problem because, you know, the Air Force budget, their equipment budget alone, about 40% of it are for black projects that even the Congress doesn't even get to know what they're putting up the money for.
		When you start throwing that kind of money, billions and billions, into these kinds of efforts without any oversight, bureaucracies decide.
		And underlying government, you know, my dad was in the Congress for a while, and he was in state politics here in Alaska for a while.
		And the thing about it is politicians come and go.
		Bureaucracies sort of live forever.
		And so at one level, these projects have advanced through Republican and Democratic administrations.
		And you can kind of follow the trends, and we have.
		And at the end is this very profound change.
		In fact, the military published a document.
		We have it on one of the CD-ROMs that goes with DVDs.
		And it's a revolution in military affairs.
		It was written by the U.S. Army War College.
		And it's this document that sort of lays out how do you introduce all these technologies without people being really upset about it, because a lot of them infringe on personal privacy, liberty in a lot of different ways.
unidentified		Indeed.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And they said through an environment of fear, this is written back in 1989, and they said in an environment of fear stimulated by international terrorism and international drug trafficking, Americans would forego their traditional values in favor of this sense of greater security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Safety, and so on.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Here we are.
		And you think about international terrorism as a, or terrorism generally in the United States over, say, the last 15 years.
		And it might amount to 5,000 deaths, which is substantial, a number of Americans.
		But when you compare that by, for instance, by highway deaths or medical malpractice, which killed in the same 15 years a million and a half Americans, according to Harvard.
		You don't see anything in the newspapers about that.
		But the point is, it's all proportional risk.
		You know, when you exist in an environment of fear, then all of a sudden certain things start going out the window.
		And with technology advancing as rapidly as it is, you know, it actually doubles every nine to ten months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you this, Doctor.
		After this hurricane season, there are going to be a lot of people asking hard questions.
		I'm not sure that they're going to get realistic answers and real answers, but I can tell you that it's been so bad that somebody's going to be asking questions.
		They're going to be dissecting what's happened here and saying, you know, this is real.
		Something very serious is going on.
		And maybe we'll, is there any chance we'll get any real answers?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, here's my sense of it.
		You know, lately, you know, we've gotten a lot of inquiries from around the world.
		You know, this issue has not gone away.
		I think it then drives the inquiries that need to happen.
		And ultimately, you know, these systems affect everyone.
		You know, when you start talking about being able to do these things, and when you have people like the Secretary of Defense talking about it openly, that terrorists, I mean, unsophisticated governments in terms of their science are able to create these effects, I think it's time for people to be concerned.
		And I think a lot of the work we've done over the years has been part of that sort of process of educating politicians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we express that concern?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's, you know, first getting good information in front of political leadership always is helpful, and that's been part of our work.
		You know, in the last year, we've gotten supported in our research efforts by the Lay Foundation on Technologies, which is giving us a chance to take this a little bit further in terms of public education.
		And I think that's what we've really been about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, isn't this so easy to dismiss?
		I mean, a person afflicted with a genuine mental illness, for example, frequently is seen to be putting up aluminum foil to stop the evil beams that are irradiating them.
		I mean, that's classic stuff.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you betcha.
		And, you know, and that's why it's such a big hurdle to try and hop over to get political action on.
		But I can tell you, there's a clause in the European Parliament's resolution.
		It's a comprehensive resolution on security disarmament.
		And it's their resolution A40005 forward slash 99.
		And this is right after the sections that we were able to get on HAARP.
		And we asked them to bring in this whole issue of non-lethals, and we demonstrated infrasound technology.
		And here's what they wrote in the resolution.
		It calls in section 27, it calls for an international convention introducing a global ban on all developments and deployments of weapons which might enable any form of manipulation of human beings, unquote.
		To get a political body to put that into this resolution, and it was the most comprehensive security and disarmament resolution, and this is but one small section of it, required a huge amount of evidence.
		And what we took with us was on hearth and on non-lethal systems were three feet of documents, unclassified documents that supported our positions over four trips to Europe at the invitation of the European Parliament.
		And we took a working info sound device that literally transferred sound information into the nervous system where you could perceive that voice in the head.
		And believe me, we had the European Parliament's attention.
		And when those sections passed, they passed by the largest margins because we had a coalition of Greens, Social Democrats, and Conservatives leading off with the Conservatives.
		Tom Spencer at the time was chairing the Foreign Affairs Committee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine being invited to give a similar presentation here with our political current circumstance?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be, you know, I think it would be useful.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, hopefully one day you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, perhaps it would be.
		I'm saying, though, honestly, the current political environment.
		Can you honestly imagine?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Not in the U.S. You know, we had it in our state legislature, and then our senior senator from Alaska, who's a very powerful man in Washington, decided he didn't want to see any more hearings.
		And there was a Republican majority in the legislature, and they decided they would listen to him.
		And we had one hearing.
		And the sad part was we had lined up to go to the follow-on hearing.
		Dr. Eastland was prepared to appear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And as long as ARCO would have waived at that time their privacy restrictions, he would have talked openly.
		And it would have put everyone on the spot about how open this project was.
		And, you know, that follow-on hearing didn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, as you said earlier, maybe we can get Dr. Eastland on and we can have that one on the wonderful to have him on the radio and just sort of take hours and see if we can unwind him a little bit.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		He's a really good guy, you know, and he's got a good way of explaining the science behind his ideas.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And he's got a lot of good stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, Dr. Easland, consider this an official invitation.
		I'm sure that it'll be passed on to you.
		I would love to have you on the program with Dr. Begich.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I'll get hold of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We just spent several hours picking his mind.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It'll be fun.
		It'll be fun.
		And actually, you know, when you start to look at where all this science goes, and when you look at sort of the interrelationships of this science, that gets pretty exciting.
		And at the same time, that's where all of this risk starts to show up.
		And this is where European parliamentarians, when we demonstrated this infrasound technology, which groups like the Strategic Studies Institute in London and others have talked about, but no one ever demonstrated to a political body, believe me, it had a profound effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In just a very few moments, what we'll do is we'll invite the audience to come in.
		So I'm kind of plastered to CNN watching the coverage of this happen, and they've become very good at what they do in covering it.
		So my kudos go out to CNN.
		Their weather guy is superb, and they've just been doing a really good job.
		So kudos to CNN.
		My guest tonight, Dr. Nick Begich, we're talking about something very much perhaps, I have to throw that caveat in, perhaps related, and that is the HARP facility in Alaska, and I might add elsewhere.
		Could they be in some way attempting to affect the weather?
		And we would hope, optimistically, they would try to affect it for the better.
		If so, then it hasn't been working out too well this year so far.
		Back to Dr. Begich, and by the way, your questions in a moment.
unidentified		Back to Dr. Begich
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is one of the sounds made by heart.
		Actually, we have quite a number here.
		I've played these previously, recorded some number of months ago now.
		Pretty strange stuff.
		All going to the Ionosphere.
		Thought you ought to hear it.
		We've got Dr. Nick Begich here tonight.
		And that is weird, isn't it?
		And we're about to turn him over to you.
		That's a classic one right there.
		You're hearing harp.
		Listen carefully.
unidentified		Listen carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, those are strange sounds, aren't they?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, actually, in one experiment, they played Wagner, you know, and got the iconosphere to sing Wagner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they, really?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this was done actually through the transmitter in Norway, and it was reported on BBC-TV when they did their story on these instruments and were disclosing sort of what's going on, you know, globally in this area.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		They came to Alaska and did some filming and actually traveled literally around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me, for your sake, kind enough to come on here and tell us about all of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do people order, if they wish to, your DVDs, for example, on Mind Control?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		We have a toll-free I can give out and a website.
		The toll-free is 888-690-1277.
		Again, that's 888-690-1277.
		And then the website is earthpulse.com, E-A-R-T-H-P-U-L-S-C.
		And we're linked to Coast to Coast AM tonight, so people can go and check that out.
		And it gives you a lot of information on our DVDs and books and publications, as well as our lectures that we have scheduled already this year, getting scheduled up for next year.
		So, you know, a lot of good stuff there, and a lot of information there, actually, on some of the topics we're covering tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you do lecture on HARP, what generally is the reaction of the audience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you have people coming up to you after the lecture and talking to you.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		We've lectured in 22 countries.
		I've worked in a lot of different venues.
		And in the course of that, we've met a lot of pretty interesting folks both in and out of the sciences.
		And I think that's been perhaps some of the best of this.
		When I work in the European Parliament, I was approached by the technology advisor to Santer at the time and was assured that they would look into this whole issue and would report on it.
		And actually, what they did is did a comprehensive report on energy generally in terms of its effects on health and environment and really began to look at this whole area and then did quite a bit more in the area of non-lethal weapons and creating policy standards there for NATO Europe as well as a number of other areas where initiatives were taken, you know, partially from the information we provided and the networks we were able to connect with in Europe.
		So lectures have been extremely valuable in getting this story out.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here come some comments from my audience or questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, your turn with Dr. Nick Begich.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, Dr. Begich.
		It seems to me that you rarely mention the woodpecker grid system that the Soviet Union developed.
		It went online in 1976.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He mentioned it earlier tonight.
unidentified		Only when you had to pull it out of him.
		But the European Union wants to bring down HARP.
		All of these countries want to bring down HARP, but I think HAARP is the only thing that stands between the destruction of the United States and countering HAARP, encountering Woodpecker Grid.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you know, the Woodpecker we actually did mention even in the first publication of Angels Don't Play This Harp as the analogy, because the Russians were actually making overtures to the United States in the early 90s to jointly work on this exact kind of initiative using phased arrays for missile defense applications and other applications.
		And we rejected it at the time.
		And the reason we did is we were already advancing our own systems in that area.
		And really, the Russians' overture was made for the lack of resources, I would guess, more than anything else, and an interest in collaboration for other reasons.
		But yeah, absolutely.
		The Russians were sort of the leaders in the beginning of a lot of this.
		And even when you talk about energy systems targeting human beings, the microwave beaming of the U.S. Embassy is the classic example of that kind of activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, what do you think would have happened had, I think it was Malaysia, taken the Russians up on their offer to create a cyclone?
		What do you think?
		What happened?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there were probably a lot of people shuffling around at that moment.
		I think it may have created some problems.
		I mean, because if they'd actually pulled it off and demonstrated that publicly, that opens up a whole lot of discussion that perhaps some folks would rather not have right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And when you see the last Secretary of Defense alluding to this sort of reopening of the treaty and abandoning it, it speaks volumes for where we're headed.
		And I think when you look at even the published materials, and there's not been a lot, but there's been some.
		The U.S. Army's publication, potential weather modification capabilities, was an Air Force 2025 document.
		And they talk about all the kinds of things we've been talking about tonight.
		And all of those are prohibited under international treaty today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just can't imagine anybody saying anything about it, Doctor.
		I'll tell you something.
		As a ham operator, it's well known that if you move into a neighborhood and you put an antenna or a tower up, everybody in the neighborhood who has any little flicker or disturbance on their television or their toast is overdone, it's all the fault of that tower.
		So, you know, the analogy, I mean, if you look at HAARP, if they were to actually announce that they're able to affect whether in one way or the other anything that went wrong, including a lot of things these days, right?
		If you look at your television, they'd all be blamed on HARP.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And that's kind of, you know, when I said earlier, it's sort of a metaphor because it happens.
		Every time there's a tsunami, an earthquake, anything, now, you know, people want to blame this one system.
		And yet, there are many technologies that have been spoken about in the open literature that could create the same kinds of effects.
		It's really, when you think about it, it's maybe simpler than we imagine.
		We were talking about Tesla in one of the earlier programs, and I have all of his published papers in English.
		And when you read them and you start to think about what that was all about and what's really going on is it was all about energy, oscillating energy fields and manipulating them for very specific effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a question for you.
		I'm really, really interested in Tesla, of course.
		And I guess I would like your view.
		If you've done all of that reading, Doctor, was Tesla...
unidentified		Um...
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously he was brilliant.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, everyone who's brilliant that I've ever met is a little quirky, too.
unidentified		So he wasn't exempt from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So perhaps a little quirky, but right on the money, you think?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I think his capacity for invention was pretty unique.
		could actually envision a design and testing of an apparatus and built the first time every time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you separate Tesla myth from reality, if that's even possible, did he...
		Do you think he shook buildings?
		Do you think he did some of the wilder things that are attributed to him?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, I do, because really what he was doing is finding those points of instability that you could trigger using resonance as a basic ingredient in his whole thinking.
		And it was oscillating fields, coherent energy fields, that he was able to manipulate and control for various effects.
		And I think it's as simple as that.
		That's why you start seeing these references in the open literature because it is probably quite simple.
		And it's as simple as dialing the right station.
		And you know what, what, in literally that way.
		And I think it's a matter of understanding energy and those relationships between the things you're trying to affect.
		And when you look at oscillating energy fields and stuff at Tesla, which all of his work was about that, there's something else that shows up as these violations of the so-called rules of physics in terms of speed of light.
		And he gets these effects that sort of violate the rule.
		And what I think he was manipulating were secondary effects, scalar effects that were much more profound.
		And he understood that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something I'd like to know.
		When he died, the government rushed in and confiscated all of his papers.
		We all know that.
		Since they did that, you would think that if they were relatively harmless or crackpot theories or, I don't know, whatever, they'd be made public.
		Now, what's become of all this stuff that we ran in and secretly grabbed up?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of it actually was, strangely enough, ended up back in Yugoslavia.
		I don't know exactly what the mechanism was there, but then the bulk of it was just gone.
		I mean, it's out of circulation.
		Gone.
		But when you look at what was published in English and German, it fills several volumes.
		His patent record is pretty substantial.
		And when you start to look at that, and if you read it, sort of take a look at all of it and then start thinking about it in consideration of other fields of science he was interested in, you see a more complete picture of what he was about.
		And what he was really about was, in fact, manipulating energy fields in very precise ways with the understanding that underlying all physical matter was energy in and of itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think we did with all these papers?
		Did we shred them, burn them, lose them?
		Now, the Roswell things, we lost all those records, right?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You know, I think a lot of this, you know, what you see in the open literature is like the grain of sand on the beach of information.
		And, you know, we do a fairly good job of rooting out the documents that are public.
		And, you know, I think there's probably a lot to be said for where military science is today.
		And it's probably much further along than most of us imagine.
		And the advantages that show up when you start talking about weather modification is the advantages of waging covert wars.
		And the advantage of that in terms of governments is huge in terms of what one government might consider possible.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, we've done a bad job this year.
		I mean, it's going to affect our gross national product.
		It's been so bad.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, Art and Dr. Begich.
unidentified		This is Blair in Sedona, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Hi, Nick.
unidentified		How are you?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		I'm great.
unidentified		Hey, I have a question and a follow-up if time allows.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Oh, by the way, one possible solution, you know, for those intent on living in hurricane zones, earlier this month, I house sat for one week in a solar and wind-powered 2,000 cubic foot masonry dome, structurally sound for 140 to 150 mile per hour sustained winds.
unidentified		Right, Nick?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Very nice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But anyway, as to HARP agitating the ionosphere, you know, no safeguards.
		Nick, you said compartmentalization exists within bureaucracies.
		Bureaucracies have foremost interest, which appears to service and keep maintaining themselves.
		Do you have any ideas about policies and organizational structures that can accommodate and, let's say, interact with a new social structure that will simultaneously protect our rights?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, this is a good question.
		You know, Tom Spencer, while he was still in the European Parliament, was going to pursue this, and we had done a paper that suggested that there needs to be extensions of whistleblower mechanisms for both the private sector and government, where when you're developing technologies that work against human interests, that there ought to be a way to have an impartial ombudsman-type structure so that you can address some of these things and do it in a way that doesn't damage people's career forever.
		You know, I mean, the threat of people working in these programs is disclosure is you're done.
		And so you really have to balance that national interest against the public's right to know, and I think we need to create institutions at this time that can address that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And you mentioned the drug war, terrorism, and all of those fear-based things that got us into this situation.
		Well, here's a simplistic answer, and of course, I'd like you to comment on that.
		How about legalizing drugs, reducing fear through a more equitable distribution of resources?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think of it, you know, if you call it a war on drugs, it's been a pretty big failure.
		But, you know, the fact of the matter is what shows up is this discussion of fear.
		And, you know, these things that have happened with terrorism in the country are pretty phenomenal.
		But when you look at their impact on the general attitude of people in terms of what they're willing to tolerate, it's dramatic.
		And I think that's, you know, when that level of freedom is at stake and technology is advanced to the point where a lot more can happen now than ever before in terms of how technologies are used for a more directed and controlled society, if you will.
		And that's where we're at.
		I mean, whether it's gathering information or what the European Parliament refers to as data valence, methods of using information to really make sweeping conclusions about individuals and populations.
		And there's ways of manipulating then now data and information and feeding it back to people in pretty dramatic ways.
		You know, when we talked about this thing in Iraq in the first Gulf War about being able to embed a signal on radio broadcasts, that's been used commercially in Japan for dissuading shoplifters and department stores.
		But think about those technologies applied to political races.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard it was actually being used here as well.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, so when you start thinking about this is like the most profound technology devised.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		When you look at a publication by the U.S. Army War College, it was called an article called The Mind Has No Firewalls back in 90, I believe it was 98.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Mind Has No Firewalls.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right, it was a reprint of an earlier article by a military journal in Russia called Orienteer, and it talked about being able to utilize all kinds of methods.
		In fact, I'll read the one-liner out of this that kind of summises or summarizes what's here.
		And it says, a psychotronic generator which produces a powerful electromagnetic emanation capable of being sent through telephone lines, TV radio networks, supply pipes, and incandescent lamps, the signal would manipulate the behavior of those in contact with the signal, end quote.
		In other words, just using those things to carry a signal in, you can manipulate anyone in close proximity to those energy sources.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		Here comes a quick one, maybe.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Begich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Steve, and I'm from Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Back in 82, I had the privilege to repair electronic gear at White Sands Missile Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
unidentified		And as I was pulling in, I noticed, why in the heck would they need all those towers?
unidentified		Well, I left that company and ended up moving back to Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Towers?
unidentified		What do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radio towers?
unidentified		Radio towers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Array, you know, of towers that look like there's going to be antennas mounted on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean similar to perhaps harp?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		And so I didn't think any more about it, and years went by, and years went by.
		I relocated back to Missouri, and I'm going out to Scott Air Force Base, which is on the Illinois side.
		And as I'm going through Mescuda, Illinois there towards the base, I look to my right, and what do I see?
		I see towers everywhere with an antenna ray.
		And I'm thinking, those are Some strange antennas.
		Look, some are a little different.
		So I went onto the base and repaired the gear, and I was asking a gentleman, what is that?
		He says, oh, well, they're doing some scientific testing.
		Well, within three, four months, I was viewing television.
		I don't know what channel it was, either it was Discovery.
		And there's a guy that comes on and he says, yeah, these arrays that they're building, what they're doing is they're going to punch holes in the ionosphere so they can launch magnetically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me get this straight.
		It's on an Air Force base in Missouri.
		Once again, the man who really started asking all the hard questions about horror.
		He is that man, Dr. Nick Begich.
		And I'm curious, Dr. Begich, what, you know, going back to when you began to speak out about all of this, what triggered it?
		Do you recall?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
		It was a short article I read in Australian publication.
		It was about five column inches talking about this facility in Alaska.
		And quite frankly, it was making these same claims of being able to affect weather systems and being able to affect generation of ELF waves for earth-penetrating tomography and so on.
		I didn't believe it.
		So I'm kind of a curious person.
		And Alaska is maybe a big geographic area, but a small population.
		I hadn't heard anything about this project in our local media.
		So as I began to inquire and start to look at the environmental impact statements and then the military's pronouncements and then some of the technical memorandum on the project and start sending it to engineers and researchers who were encouraging me to go ahead and write on the subject.
		And we published an article first in Nexus of all places.
		And then that led to meeting Gene Manning, who was following the same issue in a number of events where we wrote, angels don't play this harp.
		And that began the whole exercise on this technology.
		And then really my interest in electrophysiology, the effect of electromagnetic fields on the human body is what really struck me with HAARP initially.
		And then when you started looking at sort of what else was going on in the sciences in this area, that became pretty disconcerting.
		And really led to feeling like that was maybe a good place to spend some time as a researcher, really educating the public, being that sort of translator of complicated science by working with a lot of specialists in a number of fields.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems to me, though, that after all you've done, I mean, if you were to, for example, get to the facility, they wouldn't exactly roll out the red carpet and start the marching band for your arrival.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		In fact, you know, there was a lot of problems along the way, you know, as it relates to some of this.
		And, you know, Tom Spencer, who chaired Foreign Affairs, you know, he was asked to, you know, not put these sections in, and the State Department had pressured him and committee members to withhold their support for it.
		And, you know, and it didn't happen.
		Three days after the resolution passed, Tom Spencer's political career ended in a scandal in Great Britain that, if not the most coincidental thing in the world, just the way it all unraveled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		A lot of people want to say something.
		So let's go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Bigich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Nick.
		Yeah, I wanted to know, Art, you asked him a question earlier about other governments and other countries having involvement with the HARP program.
		And if we remember correctly, when we first sent our U.S. troops over to Iraq, there was that huge dust storm that kind of hindered them for, it caused a lot of problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall, yes.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did they cause that dust storm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the question?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, if there was any involvement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, doctor, how about it?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that they did, but this is, again, the kind of technology we're talking about.
		Can you create these effects?
		And the answer is yes, according to what's shown up in public literature.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		And that's where this stuff gets really tough because without international monitoring, which means a certain level of sophistication on the part of those that are making those observations, you've got to know what to look for.
		That's where it really needs to start.
		And some of this technology, when you think about it, the idea of transferring the way technology works is we're very, very dependent on almost every kind of technological thing that affects our lives in the West.
		And our vulnerability to systems that use that as a vehicle for weapons applications is pretty immense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you keep weapons comes up a lot.
		Languishing East of the Rockies was that caller, I'm sorry I left you on hold there too long, in Missouri.
		He was talking about the antennas in Missouri, right, Caller?
		And Illinois?
unidentified		Illinois, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so he's suggesting that there's more to heart than just Alaska.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would agree.
		And Rosalie Bertel reported on a Canadian system of arrays.
		Rosalie is a physicist and was the lead physician.
		She's also an MD in Bhopal for the World Health Organization after that disaster.
		Very prominent person.
		She testified with us in the European Parliament on these types of weapon systems.
		The European system, the IziCAT system, exists and is acknowledged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, caller.
		So the answer to the question is yes, there could be associated systems.
		Maybe that was one of them.
		You never know.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		What about the launching of blowing holes in the atmosphere to launch magnetically induced catapult spaceships through the ionosphere so that their fuel can be used to go onto Mars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I don't know about that.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		You know, what I can say is one of the earlier ideas was of being able to take energy in the form of radio frequency and by focusing it the way they can, transfer it extremely efficiently for energizing low-orbiting space platforms, which change a whole bunch in terms of dimensions Of warfare.
		If you can maintain low orbits, which require larger amounts of energy, but if you can do it efficiently with these kinds of transmitters, you really could change.
		You move space platforms into, literally, warfare platforms into space.
		You change the dimension of warfare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I haven't been exactly counting the number of times you've said warfare and weapons, but it has been a lot.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, really the essence of HAARP.
		I mean, HARPA's deal, that's what they're interested in, the applications as they apply to weapons applications is what military research is all about.
		They don't do it for the good of mankind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, back when you and I began these interviews, there was some more of that good of mankind stuff in there than there was weapons and military.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		You know, there's some interesting applications with HARP.
		And unfortunately, in the 11 years that we followed this project, none of those are really being explored.
		And those are the ones that deal with perhaps mitigating some of the big issues of the day.
		You know, if ozone depletion is really a problem, Ben Eastland's concepts in terms of generating ozone using these systems becomes pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
		And I just can't believe they haven't asked.
		Military leaders would have to ask with what's going on in our world right now.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Begas.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
unidentified		This is Chuck in Fairbanks, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, way up in Fairbanks.
unidentified		Yeah, right next door.
		And I had talked to you several years ago, Art, and you'd actually had my picture on your website.
		I'm the guy that buys and sells mammoth tusks and ivory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Yeah, and I buy from the remote Eskimo villages, and a lot of them are just literally washing away, and we're finding quite a few tusks this year.
		But I wanted to ask Nick about two questions, and one is about Poker Flat, which is right over the hill from us.
		It's kind of a top-secret site that was supposedly just researched with the university.
		Right.
		And I have another question, but can you answer that one first?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Poker Flats is a federally funded rocket range.
		It's been funded to probably in excess of $100 million over the years, maybe quite a bit more than that now.
		But it's used, it also has a small phased array that's used as high pass.
		It's used in conjunction with HAARP for some of its applications.
		And quite a bit of atmospheric climate research takes place at the University of Alaska Fairbanks and through the Geophysical Institute, as well as now a fair amount of military research.
unidentified		Okay.
		And also, my next question is, two years ago we had one of the strongest earthquakes in 40-some years.
		And it was located at the fault line, the epicenter, was not far from the HAARP array in the Copper River Valley.
		Is that just a coincidence?
		And why would they locate HAARP in an area that was so prone to earthquakes?
		I know there hadn't been any there for a long time before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a reason why they put HAARP where it is, right, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's several, actually.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And seismic stability wasn't really so much of an issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why did they put it there?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It was location and proximity to the magnetic field lines.
		The further north you go, the easier it is to move energy into those magnetic field lines because they intersect the Earth at the pole.
		So ideally, you want to be close to large energy sources, natural gas, ideally, that you can then convert eventually to electrical power and then fire up a pretty good sized array.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you want to fire this at a location where you can have the most effect, and that's along those magnetic lines.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And so ultimately, you'll see these appear in the furthest northern regions where there's gas supplies.
		And in Alaska, that happens to be the north slope of Alaska.
		So you expect to see that eventually develop as these technologies get proven out with what they call a developmental prototype, the first array that they've constructed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		International Line, you're on the air with Dr. Begich.
		Hi.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Ark.
unidentified		How are you doing?
unidentified		Hey, Dr. Begin, how are you?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Good, thank you.
unidentified		It's Wayne calling from South Carolina Current.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I guess the question I have is sort of like a building question.
unidentified		Our Earth is protected by a magnetic field, correct?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, that magnetic field is generated by the molten metal of the planet?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's by a complex number of interactions.
		It's both the solar activity affecting the magnetic field lines, which are by the rotation of the planet, and the whole dynamic it creates those magnetic field lines, like a big magnet would in a science experiment from high school.
		You get those same kinds of magnetic field lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Stay close to the phone for me.
		I think we lost that last caller.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Nick Begich.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		My first name is Scott, and I'm from Jacksonville, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Florida, okay.
unidentified		Yes.
		I'm calling to see about I grew up in a home where, you know, the media pretty much was a source of information.
		And in the 90s, I learned about Operation HARP and nanotechnology.
		And I was just curious about the as far as the surface, I feel, you know, I was wondering how accurate and informed we are with the news media and what there might be as far as if they're good to use as a source or if they're reliable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How reliable is the media on this subject, you mean?
unidentified		I would say just I'm trying to think of the best way to state the question is the reliability of our media based on unknowns that we are learning about.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, part of it, you know, I think what you're driving at is this idea of a lot of the reporting that's done today is not really investigative reporting.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		It's really just press release.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of it done.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Most of it posting.
unidentified		Yeah.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And so when you're talking about complex science issues, it even becomes more difficult.
		And really, when you think about it, they're the most important issues that we face today.
		Because what makes governments powerful in the world today is the technologies they command.
		So, you know, we need to have at least some kind of a conceptual knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have to know how to build this stuff anymore than we, most of us anyway, or what can make them weak is what they don't command, as is being constantly demonstrated to us by our apparent inability to control the course of the hurricane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you don't want to think That we're controlling and making this happen.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		No, no, and I've heard those kind of assertions being made, and people are commenting in that way.
		And I don't think that's constructive unless you can really demonstrate.
		And you know how particular I have been over the years with documents.
		That's kind of my method of the proof is in the paper.
		And a lot of researchers use word-of-mouth testimony or that kind of or theorizing on their own.
		And I don't do that.
		And I think it's dangerous to do it.
		The technologies we can demonstrate through the literature existing and being advanced, and then the ethical questions that surround it are the ones that at least we've tried to stimulate.
		And in some cases, been more successful than others.
		And I think ultimately, technology shouldn't be so scary.
		I mean, we drive our cars every day, yet we can't work on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's only scary because we don't know what the hell they're doing.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Bigich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Art 73 is Paul out in Vancouver, Washington.
		I'm a certified EPA microbiologist, chemist.
		I shouldn't say microbiologist because that's hunting season on those guys.
		Anyway, my question is, why is this signature, I'm Mike Art, I'm a 73 guy, ham radio operator.
		I put a microphone on my sonicator one on, and it has 83% the exact same signature as your harp and bursts.
		And those bursts kill bacteria and disrupt cells.
		Why are they doing that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, first of all, I don't know if we know that's true, that these kind of signals, when they return to Earth, have some effect on the bacteria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they do.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing, is this is where whether they're deliberately affecting another system by operating in one regime to accomplish one thing, and this is where those, we were talking about window frequencies, you know, in the ELF range, which is used for earth-penetrating tomography.
		This happens to be places within the frequency ranges that are also biologically active in the course of humans.
		But when you start to look at all of the electromagnetic interactions that surround us today that man's created, and then start to think about it, I mean, we have 200 million times more radio frequency energy around us today than nature produced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like a giant soup, Dr. Yeah, exactly.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, from that, most of it's just like the static between the stations.
		But occasionally, we develop systems that sort of trip over ourselves.
		We don't even see ourselves doing it.
		And I think that's the stage of development that we're in, is you see a lot of literature emerging very rapidly talking about electromagnetic field effects on living organisms.
		Still highly debated, but nonetheless, you cannot argue with the amount of literature that's been produced in the scientific community showing those effects and the military seeking those effects for applications in terms of weapon systems.
		And when you look at the whole array, here's the science of the day that could perhaps enhance human performance to unprecedented levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Save the day or ruin it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Begig.
		Not a lot of time.
unidentified		Hi.
		That's right.
		Dr. Begage, you used the domino effect analogy earlier in the program.
		I'd like you to apply that principle to fundraising and let us know the next time you come on this program how we can start sending money to you in $30 contributions a month, how we can get wills made out for the benefit of a foundation that will advance what you're doing.
		And let's not beat around the bush anymore.
		Let's get down to business and get something done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, there's somebody who wants action.
unidentified		Absolutely.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		And you know, that's part of what the Lay Foundation is being established to accomplish.
		And it's been put together by one of the heirs of Herman Lay, who was the founder of Lay Potato Chips at Merger with Frito and PepsiCo.
		So she is actually created, Dorothy Lay has created a foundation.
		I'm their executive director and a member of the board to do exactly that, to make sure that we can get this information out.
		One of the things we'll be doing is putting together a website with our entire research bibliography eventually loaded into it and making that available to researchers, politicians, and media, where it might be more useful than sitting in our library just gathering dust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent, Doctor.
		Listen, we're out of time.
		Okay, we'll do it.
		The number to order the DVD, of course, we'll do it again.
		Number to order the DVD is 888-690-1277.
		Mind control.
		That's what it's about.
		888-690-1277.
		Correct, Doctor?
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, thank you for being here.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thanks for having me, and I'll get hold of Dr. Easlin.
nick begich ▲ ● ▼		We'll see if we can do it again and maybe have a really interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Looking forward to it.
		Take care.
		Dr. Nick Begich, don't forget, if you've got a good ghost-to-ghost story, write a little synopsis.
		Put your phone number at the bottom, and we'll call you.

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