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Sept. 18, 2005 - Art Bell

02:30:32

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Brendan Cook & Barbara McBeath - EVP in the House

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	Abbey II, if you will, the name of honor, given to the fifth cat in the Bell household.
	That's number five, and I don't know what you do.
	You know, this little guy showed up outside our window, and this cat never makes sound.
	I mean, it opens its mouth, but no meow comes out.
	Nothing audible, but boy, I'll tell you, the night he wanted to get into this house, he just screamed, and we went running back into the house to see if it was one of the other four.
	No.
	This is a new guy who had decided he wanted to live with us, and he was gonna scream until we darn well came out and got him, which we did.
	So now we have five, and I, you know, and then a bird.
	Five cats and a bird.
	So I don't know what you do.
	I have no idea what you do.
	You can't You know, I know we're a soft touch and all that.
	There's probably some sort of cat visible sign only out there that says suckers.
	I'm sure they marked us, marked the house somehow like the old bums did and you know in the old days.
	A soft touch here.
	A feline heaven located with an arrow pointing this way.
	I don't know.
	So we have five now and that's that's the new Abbey.
	We also, of course, have a bird who has now matured into a... mature whatever it is.
	We don't know.
	But it loves it in there.
	And if you let it out and fly around the room, it flies right back into its cage where it has toys and it plays and it loves it in there and lands on my wife's hair and... so many animals.
	I think Ramona says we've got barnyard babies.
	That's what we've got, all right.
	And, you know, animals are going to take a little bit of a piece of what we're going to do tonight.
	Again, just with a couple of notes, I've made available a receiver.
	Actually, Bob has made available a site where you can hear shortwave radio, and I think it's really, really cool.
	I want to direct as many of you as I can.
	Now, only about 115 at a time can listen on the one site, the Pahrump Receiver, but there are several other receivers there that can be tuned.
	Receivers in, I think, up near Salt Lake and Ogden and Dallas, Texas and Pahrump, Nevada.
	So, several receivers at one site where you can listen to shortwave.
	It's really cool!
	It's called SMETER.NET.
	That's S-M-E-T-E-R.NET.
	So take a cruise over and by the way on the front page of smeter.net this night is a high resolution picture of my five acre antenna farm.
	That antenna I've talked to you about so many times that generates its own little boulder dam in a way.
	It generates quite a bit of electricity.
	And you can get a bit of a scale.
	It's very hard in a picture to depict really how massive something is.
	But believe me, it's massive.
	On the left, you'll see our guest house.
	And to the right, the blue and white house is the one we live in most of the time.
	But we've got a guest house there.
	So that's what you'll see.
	And that's on the front page of smeter.net.
	And while we're on the subject of ham radio, From Gloria, I heard that ham operators were not invited to help with the Hurricane Katrina catastrophe.
	Is this true?
	I know that in general, communications among rescuers were in disarray, and as a person who worked online to do what I can from afar to assist pet rescuers, it seems to everyone, it seems that everybody has been depending on high-tech cell phones, phone lines, and all that has let them down.
	I know the pet rescue community could sure use some ham communicators.
	It takes them hours to travel between rescue sites and temporary shelters and communications is still difficult.
	And I'd like to hear what you have to say about this.
	I have a lot to say.
	There were initial reports that jamming was going on.
	Not true for the most part.
	Of course, there can always be some incidental things going on, but there was no massive jamming going on in New Orleans.
	There was massive Lack of readiness.
	In fact, here from ABC News, after surviving Hurricane Katrina's initial blow, the radio communication system for the New Orleans Police and Fire Departments dissolved.
	That's the word used by ABC.
	It dissolved as its radio towers lost their backup power generators in the ensuing flood.
	Some of the equipment could have been brought back up quickly, except That technicians were blocked from entering the submerged city for three days by state troopers who were themselves struggling with an overwhelmed radio system from a different manufacturer.
	As a matter of fact, the only thing available was maybe a little bit of ham radio and a little bit of CB, but they would not let the ham operators in.
	Now with regard to what people thought was jamming, we've been getting a series of sun flares.
	I'm sure this, I hope this has been covered on Coast to Coast.
	Gigantic sun flares, an X-17 followed by a bevy of X-flares that made communications past a certain time in the evening on HF virtually impossible for short and medium range distances.
	It was just impossible.
	And I'm sure some interpreted that as jamming.
	Indeed, it was not jamming, but just the ionosphere refusing to cooperate at a time of national emergency when A, the ham operators were not let in.
	That hopefully has been resolved now.
	I trust that it has.
	But certainly in the early emergency hours they were turned away just as people trying to get out of New Orleans incredibly were turned away from entering other communities where they might have found at least, at the very least, dry ground if not water and food and such.
	In a moment A word about the littlest ones, the smallest ones, other than human babies caught up in the disaster in New Orleans, and that of course would be animals, the animals.
	God, the story about the animals.
	you're going to have to brace yourself for what I'm about to tell you.
	Alright, the following is from a blog and you know you've got to be very careful.
	Hello there.
	You've got to be very careful about blogs, because... Well, I mean, they're like rumor mills.
	So, initially I received this information from a blog.
	It says, dogs are being shot or wounded and left to die in St.
	Bernard Parish, New Orleans.
	Please help.
	Urgent.
	Dogs being shot.
	Shot by officers in New Orleans.
	St.
	Bernard Parish and I, I went oh no and talked to some friends on Ham Radio and we all got looking into this and oh yes I'm sorry to say it's apparently true hopefully it's isolated and this is going to be no comfort to those who have been evacuated the evacuees from New Orleans now scattered all over the country but It's so important.
	This is something that I feel needs to go to the court of public opinion.
	And so, on the coast2coastam.com website right now, you'll see a little headline on the front page that says, Katrina's Strays.
	And then, unfortunately, a clickable item that says, Video Report.
	And so, what was only on a blog, I'm sorry to say, is true, and I warn you.
	That video is terribly graphic.
	They are, in fact, shooting dogs.
	Wounded ones perhaps being run over.
	Oh God, it's just... it's just... it's...
	I can't imagine being, first of all, evacuated and separated from my pets.
	In our case, five pets.
	I wouldn't let it happen.
	I don't think I could leave.
	I don't think I could leave my pets.
	What about you?
	Your dog, your cat, your bird, your whatever.
	Could you leave?
	That animal?
	Well, maybe.
	You know, when the rubber hits the road, maybe you could.
	Maybe your life and the life of your children takes precedence and you could leave, but I don't know if I could do that.
	I just... I don't think that I could.
	Perhaps until that moment came I wouldn't know, but whatever the case may be, these people who did have to leave their pets heartbroken, To imagine that this is what might be happening to them.
	And in some cases, I mean, these were friendly dogs wagging their tails.
	And they were getting shot.
	So, I think that the reason the public has to know about this is to get it stopped!
	This can't go on.
	I know there's SPCA down there, there's various organizations trying to get the animals out.
	I've seen plenty of video, I'm sure you have too.
	But in the meantime, oh God, don't let this go on.
	One could understand perhaps if they were in packs and becoming vicious, but boy, that isn't what I saw here, and you're welcome to judge for yourself.
	So, you be careful.
	You watch that video, but you be careful who sees it.
	Don't allow children to see that.
	Well, I think there's been plenty of dialogue.
	Incidentally, the Atlantic, right now the Caribbean, is really churning them out.
	We've got a couple of hurricanes, tropical storms about to be hurricanes.
	One of them looks like it's headed into the Gulf, not necessarily with a north turn planned yet, but it's going to go by the Keys, where they now have hurricane warnings in the Florida Keys, and it will then proceed into the Gulf, and we'll have to see what happens then.
	That's too scary to even contemplate.
	There's going to be more of it.
	Our world is changing.
	Here's an interesting one from The Guardian.
	In the UK, so much of this has to come from Great Britain.
	Headline, Warming hits tipping point.
	Siberia feels heat.
	A frozen peat bog the size of France and Germany combined contains billions of tons of greenhouse gas and for the first time since the Ice Age, it has begun to melt.
	A vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thaw that could dramatically increase the rate of global warming.
	According to scientists, researchers who have recently returned from that region found an area of permafrost spanning a million square miles.
	The size of France and Germany combined has started to melt for the first time since it formed eleven Thousand years ago, that's an interesting amount of time, at the end of the last ice age.
	Now it melts.
	The area that covers the entire sub-arctic region of western Siberia is the world's largest frozen peak bog, and scientists fear that as it thaws, it might release billions of tons of methane, a greenhouse gas, get this, 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide, into the atmosphere.
	It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since first identifying tipping points.
	Those would be delicate thresholds where a slight rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the environment that itself triggers a far greater increase in global temperatures.
	And this from the Independent, a record loss of sea ice in the Arctic this summer is convincing scientists that the Northern Hemisphere may have crossed the critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover.
	Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming Which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice and has helped to keep our climate stable now for thousands of years.
	Well, if that has kept it stable, imagine what we're looking at.
	So I think that Katrina and this other bevy of hurricanes now forming up in the Caribbean is just sort of a symptom of a much larger global event underway right now not say it's man's hand not say it's not or what it is or isn't it it's just that it is going on which is what I've been pleading for for years now that I really don't care which it is because really in the end doesn't matter does it it's happening and we have to prepare to deal with it and by the way
	With regard to Katrina, if you can boil it down to a single, simple lesson.
	The whole Katrina disaster.
	To me, it is simple, relatively.
	Complex as it was in detail, the real lesson was simple.
	It's, you can only, when, everything falls apart.
	Civilization is, if it was ever proven, it was proven in this case, civilization exists across a very, held by a very thin thread indeed, and when it breaks down, you can't depend on local government, nor state government, Nor federal government or anybody else.
	You can only depend on yourself.
	That's the great lesson of Katrina.
	That you can only depend on yourself.
	So in other words, to whatever extent you can prepare for any sort of disaster like this, do it.
	Because when it gets down to crunch time, you're it.
	You are going to have to take care of your family.
	You are going to have to take charge of your own life in some way, the best way you can.
	Because there will not be help.
	It's a hard, cruel thought, I know, but it's the truth.
	So if there's any lesson you take away from all of this, please take that one away.
	That you're going to have to depend on yourself.
	Period.
	And if help comes, fine.
	But as likely as not, It won't.
	Here's another one.
	These are sort of little crumbs that I think, little hints that you put together for a larger picture from CNN.com.
	UN Antarctic zone hole nears record size.
	Antarctica's own hole, that would be.
	From Geneva, the hole in the ozone layer above Antarctica has now grown to near record size this year, suggesting 20 years of pollution controls have thus far had little effect.
	That's according to the UN, the United Nations, on Friday.
	In a bulletin on the seasonal depletion of the ozone gas, which filters harmful ultraviolet radiation that can, of course we know, cause skin cancer and cataracts, the UN's World Meteorological Organization, the WMO, said the hole would peak within a couple of weeks.
	It will probably not break any records, but it shows that ozone depletion is still going on and that the so-called ozone recovery has yet to be confirmed.
	So there you have it.
	The ozone, ladies and gentlemen, is still depleting despite the best efforts.
	Man, we thought we had that one under control, but the UN is saying, oh no, you don't.
	Few people objected.
	Now, here's another one that was almost blog stuff, but this actually does come from a news service.
	Few people objected when police began gathering firearms that they found in abandoned New Orleans homes To prevent them from falling into the hands of criminals.
	But one gun policy expert says, confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens who remain in the city is increasing the danger posed by criminals.
	New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edward Compass III explained September 9th that the impending mandatory evacuation of the city was truly mandatory this time, and that residents had to leave for their own safety.
	Individuals are at a risk of dying, he told the New York Times.
	There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life, but many residents whose neighborhoods were undamaged by either Hurricane Katrina or the flooding Just don't want to leave.
	Most fear that looters will damage or destroy anything they can't steal.
	And some of those citizens, as you can imagine, have armed themselves.
	So, it may well be that they're beginning to pick up some guns from houses, they say, that were abandoned.
	Well, abandoned really is the wrong word to use, isn't it?
	There was a mandatory evacuation.
	The NRA, as you might imagine, just is not happy at all.
	They said, in part, as was reported last week, in the wake of unspeakable crimes perpetrated by roving armed gangs and individuals, authorities in the New Orleans area seized legal firearms from lawful residents, effectively disarming the very citizenry they are sworn to protect.
	On Monday, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre And NRA, ILA Executive Director Chris Cox slammed New Orleans authorities for this incredible, their words, incredible action.
	What we've seen in Louisiana, the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster is exactly, exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves.
	That's a Lompier quote.
	He said, for state, local, or federal government to disarm these good people in their own homes using the threat of imminent deadly force is unthinkable.
	The NRA will not stand by while guns are confiscated from law-abiding people who are just trying to defend themselves, said Cox.
	We're exploring every legal option available to protect the rights of the lawful people in New Orleans.
	Sounded kind of like a firecracker, he told the radio station there on a Friday.
	Within about five minutes, the carpet began to erupt.
	Erupt!
	Employees, unsure of the cause of the mysterious burning smell, telephoned firefighters, and they in turn evacuated the whole building.
	There were several scorch marks on the carpet.
	We could hear a crackling noise, a bit like a whip, both inside and outside the building.
	So this guy Incredible!
	Firefighters cut electricity to the building thinking the burns might have been caused by some kind of power surge or something.
	But no, Kluwer, after leaving the building, discovered he had scorched a piece of plastic on the roof of his own car, returned to seek help from the firefighters.
	Quote, we tested his clothes with a static electricity field meter and measured a current of 40,000 volts, voltage actually, which is one step shy of spontaneous combustion, a situation where his clothes would have simply self-ignited, said Barton.
	So, there you have it.
	But back in a moment with you.
	Just one more quick note on the esmeter.net site and that is...
	That's repetitive, isn't it?
	I don't understand that at all.
	Shouldn't be doing that.
	At any rate, one quick note on the esmeter site, and that is...
	Uh, we tape for about eight hours.
	Uh, we record is the proper word for about eight hours.
	Um, when my friends and I are on at night, usually from about eight at night to four in the morning.
	And then that is then twice repeated during the day.
	So if you go to the smeter.net site and you cannot get in, Then have heart and try it later in the day, or some other part of the day, and you'll simply hear what went on the night before.
	And it's pretty wild, uncensored, unscripted, and sometimes totally uncontrollable, but it's a lot of fun.
	Alright, to the phones.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Wes.
	How are you tonight?
	Quite well, sir.
	I heard I was going to tell you a story about a couple of Kids here in the Mobile Home Park, I live in just outside of Knoxville, Tennessee, that drove almost 2,000 miles and got turned around and sent back home by the National Guard.
	Oh, yes.
	And they had, I think it's pronounced Yaesu.
	They had Yaesu radios with them?
	Radios, uh-huh.
	5,000 watt generator.
	extra gear finally they had a complete mobile rig i know sir they were turned
	away i i know it was out it's just outrageous i mean they were
	that is the one thing of course they were most suffering was the inability to
	communicate uh... between shelters and so forth and so to have turned away of volunteers with uh... radios and
	generators ready to do the job is unthinkable lot of unthinkable happen things
	happen during the all of this
	i get to forget about your kitty
	and my wife and i have just taken in there we call them dumpster kitty
	in a mobile home park It's like a breeding ground for cats because it's real easy for them to get under the skirting under these mobile homes.
	Sure, I know.
	And they often head down to these communal dumpsters to try to scrounge up a meal.
	We have to do more for the little ones.
	You know, they are... It's our attitude.
	I know some people that treat animals like exchangeable little toys and when they tire of them, they just dump them.
	It's unbelievable to me.
	me, I think that once we take in an animal, or for whatever reason, we're responsible
	We are then that animal's guardian from now until whenever.
	And the way some people treat animals is just absolutely as disposable things it's unbelievable to me and again I'll
	say this I have always thought they had souls when you look into an
	animal's eyes and you recognize that you see
	joy and you see depression sometimes you see all kinds of different
	Jealousy, for example.
	I'm not sure what divides the animal kingdom from us other than the ability to talk.
	What we do here on the radio.
	That's about it.
	Every other possible emotion I see in animals.
	And so what is a measure of what has and does not have a soul?
	I see an awful lot of soul in these little guys and gals.
	What about you?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, sir.
	This is John.
	I'm calling from Cape Coral, Florida.
	Oh, welcome.
	I just want to say, you know, Yusef, Art Bale, and George Norrie, you guys are doing an outstanding job, I want to tell you.
	But getting back to the weapon issue in Louisiana there, where the authorities were going in and taking weapons from people's homes and this and that.
	Yes.
	I would just recommend to people, you know, I'm a retired Marine, and I do security now at night.
	And my friend Bill, he's a New York City cop, and he's down here in Florida with me also, and he does security.
	He kind of goes on the line that the weapons should be collected, but I told my guy to disagree.
	You know, it's part of, like you said, our Second Amendment, the right to bear arms and protect ourselves.
	I would have to say to people that, you know, if you're going to have a weapon, after seeing what happened there, What you're going to need to do is get some type of small carbine rifle, something that'll break down.
	You should have a pack.
	You should have MREs, a gas mask.
	Believe it or not, I have plans on getting my whole family NBC suits.
	I don't want to sound like, you know, I forget the word I'm looking for, but, you know, like I'm some kind of military fanatic or something that I'm worried about Doomsday or something like that.
	I'm going to be ready for anything.
	And Louisiana was a fine example of why we should be getting ready.
	Sir, it was a precise example.
	And it was a precise example of exactly what I said.
	That you have only yourself to really depend on.
	And to whatever degree you can prepare.
	Darn it, do it!
	And that means all the usual things, some potable water, a radio of some sort with batteries, flashlights, if possible a generator, whatever you can muster up for an emergency situation, and they vary around the country from earthquakes to tornadoes to hurricanes to man-made, man-orchestrated disasters, there's
	inevitably going to be one.
	And so if you take any lesson from New Orleans, take that one.
	Be as prepared as you're able because you have only you to really depend on.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good evening.
	This is Blair in Sedona, Arizona.
	Yes, Blair.
	2001, you mentioned about our sun no longer being pale yellow.
	You only mentioned it once, and it sort of turned white, white hot.
	Actually, not so much that I mentioned it, but we had a string of callers who began to observe that indeed the sun was not or didn't have as much yellow content in it as they could remember.
	Now, that could be due, I suppose, to a lot of things, but an awful lot of people did observe that, that it seemed Whiter than it had been.
	Well, just go out and look at the full moon now.
	It's sure a hell of a lot brighter than it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
	I mean, that's one thing a lot of people are noticing when they're out of the city, the full moon.
	They comment, you know, hey, look at the full moon.
	It's brighter.
	So we got some solar energy that's coming down.
	Wouldn't you think that this also adds a boost to whatever we decide we want to believe or focus on?
	It sort of gives us that extra solar boost for either good or bad.
	Oh, gee, I don't know.
	I worry more that, thank you, if there has been a change in solar output, which is measured frequently.
	By the way, the satellite that measures that, about a million miles out, is having some difficulty right now as a result, I believe, of the latest large flares from the sun.
	And so they've got what they describe as a voltage problem.
	And so one of the sites where you would normally see the sun From a satellite out there, it's simply not available right now.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art, this is Rob in Kansas City.
	Yes sir.
	I've got a theory about your antenna producing electricity.
	Oh?
	Let me ask you, do you have any way of testing, measuring how much electricity it generates?
	Oh yes.
	You do?
	Oh, sure.
	I would be curious to test it on a windy day as opposed to a calm day.
	Well, I've done that.
	Believe me, I've done that.
	Windy days versus calm days.
	Cloudy days versus clear blue sky.
	I've done all of that, sir, and it's there under any and all conditions.
	Now, when you have electric influence in the area, like storm clouds, there's a lot more there.
	But there is a minimum of about 300 volts there, any old time you want.
	My theory is that the particles in the air When the wind blows across it, it actually generates static electricity.
	Well, what is your theory about what puts the electricity there when there's no wind at all?
	I really didn't know if you had a way of testing it or not, but it sounds like you've done all the testing.
	Well, not as much as I would like, thank you very much.
	Not as much as I would like to do, but that which I have done is rather conclusive.
	It's there all the time.
	Cloudy day, clear day, windy day, calm day, doesn't matter.
	Now there is more when you have clouds with electrical activity in them, obviously.
	In fact, dangerously more.
	But of course, I've got that all grounded out for safety.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Is this Art?
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, look, this is Jeff.
	I was one of the hams down there in the Louisiana area, just out of Baton Rouge, is where I live.
	Yes, sir.
	And one of the things that had happened, there had been reports that there was a number of stations that were actually, physically, the antennas were removed by FEMA, and they were told to leave the area.
	Well, I did hear a couple of reports, sir, of FEMA coming in and commandeering towers.
	In other words, taking the antenna that was on them off and putting FEMA antennas up.
	And every ham operator, I think, understands, or should understand, that in an emergency of that kind, the federal authorities can come in and commandeer your equipment.
	I think most of us understand that.
	Yeah, that's a standard procedure.
	I got 29 years working with a motor roller group out of Baton Rouge.
	I got laid off about three years ago.
	I drive a truck now, so I listen to you quite often.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm quite familiar with the entire state system, up and down the river, with all the state and federal communication that's down there.
	Quite a bit of equipment down there.
	But you're right, in an emergency, there's priority that I understood about that.
	Okay, and as do I, sir.
	So, no argument there.
	Yes, any help that you can be in a situation of that kind.
	I certainly would not object to that.
	I would suggest they use the antennas that I have up there.
	Perfectly suitable for emergency communications.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, hello.
	Yes, hi.
	Yeah, I want to talk to Art about a psychic experience I had just past my grandmother died.
	Well, I am Art.
	Now, Cece, that's something you can't say on the air.
	Oh, I will not.
	I promise you that.
	Well, you don't understand.
	Apparently, you don't understand.
	You've been on the air since I said hello.
	You're on the air now, so.
	Okay, well let me get to my story then.
	Please do.
	My grandmother passed away about five years ago.
	Just after she passed away, I went to see a psychic.
	And she was a shaman.
	I mean, she was an old black lady.
	She worked for the probation department.
	She never had a job as a psychic.
	She just basically had the gift.
	And she was able to have people come in on the side and just sort of make predictions.
	Well, for years and years, ever since I was growing up, I used to get my grandmother teddy bears for Christmas.
	Every Christmas, she'd get a teddy bear.
	A teddy bear.
	I think you know where this is going.
	I sat down with this lady, and I was just grief-stricken.
	I sat down, and the first thing I did when I sat down, she said, don't say anything.
	That's how I knew she was sort of telling the truth.
	I said nothing to her.
	She just started writing down on a piece of paper.
	Just started writing and writing.
	She had about a page and a half.
	And the first thing she started reading off from that piece of paper was, your grandmother thanks you for the teddy bear.
	Now it goes on.
	I think there's no question there are people with that gift.
	There are a lot of fakes out there, a lot of charlatans, but there are people with the real gift.
	Well, this gift goes on because about three years later my mother passed away and I sat down with this lady and my family is That's Assembly of God Evangelist Christians, and it's like church for six hours on Sunday and so forth.
	Yes.
	And I've never been a religious man, but I've always been a spiritual man, if you know what I'm saying.
	So, I mean, I've always not initially fought my mother on this, but we sort of kept our respectful distances from that.
	And when she passed away, I went to see the psychic again.
	It just seems I see her when I'm grief-stricken, but she does help through grief.
	I mean, there's a way, when you go through grief, Art, I just believe that when you connect spiritually somehow, whether it takes a medium or whatever, I mean, that does help with grief, at least for me it does.
	I agree with that.
	I think that mediums and people do help with grief, whether their information is Really derived in the manner.
	They're suggesting it is or not and again I think there's the they are there really are gifted people in this area and then a lot of charlatans and By the way, I hope you like the TV show medium.
	I love it I must say the awards did go quite well this year just about every show that we love seems to have been awarded and that includes medium and Congratulations, Patricia.
	Actually, I would say my favorite shows in order would be House and Medium.
	And Boston Legal, and they all, and Lost, and they all came, that's Ramona, she loves Lost, but I'm telling you right now, look for a show called House, if you haven't found it yet, and Medium, and Boston Legal, and of course Lost, if you so desire.
	They're all absolutely superlative shows, and they all walked away with awards, rightfully so.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	This is Art Barrow there.
	Yeah, it'd be me.
	Oh, I can't believe I got through.
	I really can't.
	I'm calling about that I really love the stories of your cats.
	I just love your cats.
	And I have a story, too.
	I have 21 cats.
	You have 21 cats?
	21 cats.
	And there's no way I would ever leave them if I had to leave.
	I would just stay and go down with them.
	It's quite unthinkable, isn't it?
	It is.
	And it all, of course, happened with Taken and Strays.
	You know, my two oldest are like 16, and then they go down from there, but just recently we find another one out there, and I thought it was a male.
	It had no claws.
	I don't know where it came from, but he's really friendly, and it turned out as a, I thought it was a she, and it's a he, and so, and we always say, no more, no more, no more.
	I know.
	Just take another one in.
	Well, you know, it's really a problem.
	I mean, it's a very serious problem, as you obviously are well aware.
	You just, I mean, what can you do?
	You can't, especially when you love them, and they're not wild animals.
	They're, you know, tame animals.
	Like, I have raccoons out there.
	I feed raccoons every night, and I go out, and there's like 15 raccoons that come around.
	I give them dog food and what have you, and you feel sorry for them.
	There's one out there that has, the poor guy, he's having trouble breathing, and his tongue is hanging out, and there's really nothing you can do about that.
	But, I've had strays that I've had to take to the vet and have put to sleep that have been attacked by animals out there.
	Some wild dogs got a hold of a cat, and I had to take it in.
	And there's nothing you can do about it except, you know, give your heart out, your money out, and do what you can for them.
	Or try to get them fixed, put them back out again, you know, in areas where people feed them.
	That's so important, getting them fixed.
	Is it really all over?
	I mean, that's the ultimate question.
	Is there something after this life or is it just this life?
	Is it what we have right now?
	Well, I have searched years and years and years for the answer to that and one of the very closest I've ever come to getting an answer Is what you're about to hear.
	And people ask me, well, why, Art, do you keep doing these kinds of shows?
	Well, because they're important.
	Because they go to this question, is there something after we're gone?
	That basic, incredible question of our own mortality and whether we can expect anything afterwards or not.
	It comes closer to answering that than anything I think I've ever done on the air.
	It goes all the way back to the guy who invented the phone.
	He thought so.
	Some of the best early scientists in our technical history thought that we could communicate with the dead.
	The dead could communicate with the living.
	Today we have slightly more modern methods.
	We have Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
	Now what these two, actually five people do, it's a total of five, that are in this closed organization.
	And because of the history of EVP, electronic voice phenomena, it's rich history.
	And it is a very rich history.
	I've tried to find a hole in what they do.
	I can't find it.
	They don't take money.
	They don't write books.
	There's absolutely nothing in what they do that I can see contributes to personal gain in any way.
	In fact, what they give is hours and hours and hours of their life to do all of this.
	Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeth Are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS.
	The Ghost Investigators Society is a non-profit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
	Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena, or those who are just simply curious.
	That'd be me.
	In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs, or Electronic Voice Phenomena, presented will help demonstrate that consciousness in fact does survive after the body dies, And that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
	And again, it's an organization of five people, and I've tried for years now to shoot holes in what they do, and I can't.
	And because I can't, I think that it presents the best evidence that in fact there is something after this life.
	And if you listen tonight, and listen carefully, I think you'll come to the same conclusion.
	some of what you're going to hear tonight, maybe it is for me kind of scary in some ways,
	but it is evidence that requires some kind of verdict coming right up.
	And now, the GIS represented this evening by Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
	Welcome to the program, you two.
	Thank you.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	I hear you both just fine.
	Barbara, you as always will have to raise your voice and yell at us a little bit to get it through.
	I will do my best.
	All right.
	Before we begin, a number of questions, some of them no doubt seeming repetitive to you, but I think it is very, very important that the audience understand what they're about to hear.
	Assuming that new people are tuning in tonight, they always do.
	Electronic voice phenomena was first discovered when?
	I believe it was started When recording devices were developed there were a couple of pioneers in it and they stumbled on it by accident and it's been going ever since.
	Thomas Edison believed that there was a way to communicate with the dead and he has been working on a You know, may I ask a question?
	Why did Thomas Edison believe that?
	What is it in Edison's work, I wonder, that caused him to suddenly believe that the communication device he was developing could do a whole lot more than just, you know, talk to Aunt Sally or somebody on the other side?
	You know, that there could be something as fantastic as this going on.
	Well, first of all, I do believe he had some sort of an experience.
	With, I guess you would say, ghost through electronic means.
	You see, that's what I thought.
	That he heard some voice and at that time there would not have been radio stations close by that could have been a possibility of leaking through or anything of that nature.
	It was so early in the development of the technology that something obviously happened because he was a He was an inventor.
	The man had a scientific mind.
	How could he begin to believe that he was hearing voices of the dead?
	That we could communicate with the dead?
	And then on forward in history to the work of George Meeks and people like that.
	It's just been going on virtually since electronic devices for communicating the voice, however it is, have existed.
	Ever since then they thought you could talk to the dead.
	Oh yeah.
	What's so amazing about it, and I'm sure you've noticed this, is the recordings progress as time goes on.
	And quality gets better.
	Interaction becomes better.
	I mean, obviously you've seen that.
	I'm sure you've heard the Rodevay tapes and things like that.
	And then you get up to, you know, what George Meeks did and the Spiricom stuff.
	And then, you know, what we've been working on with real-time recorders and I think it was you, perhaps, that thought, or Barbara, and of course you early on did it with tape recorders and blank tapes and absolute new tapes and you had all kinds of safety things so that there couldn't be a leak through from something recorded earlier on the tape.
	And then you progressed on to more digital forms of recording.
	Did you lose anything when you did that?
	Did you lose any What percentage do you think of the voices that you would have captured on tape?
	Have you done a very careful look at all of that?
	No, no.
	In fact, I think, you know, and we've mentioned this before, Barbara still hangs back a little bit from going completely digital.
	She does use digital now, but she also still uses her tape recorder.
	But I really think that we have received clearer voices, louder Even in some cases longer and I mean there's been cases digital recorders have picked up voices that the tape recorder five feet away from haven't picked up.
	And you think that's to do with the greater sensitivity, the greater ability to amplify without distortion and all of that.
	What does it tell us, if anything, about the way a spirit or something on the other side actually imprints its voice into the device?
	Well, and that's a good question, because originally, you know, and this is why we use tapes for so long, is we did think this was being imprinted on magnetic tape.
	You know, somehow this was being done through EMF or whatnot.
	But when you get into stuff like what we've been doing with digital recorders, and to give you an example, let's talk about the drowning EVP that we did the last time.
	Boy, a lot of people.
	You got a lot of email about that one, didn't you?
	Oh yes, yes.
	And still to this day, it's the most disturbing thing I've heard, and I'm sure I'll never hear anything like it again.
	You did not include it in the material sent tonight, did you?
	No, no.
	But what is interesting is we did, you know, obviously after we heard that, we definitely went back to the location, did a few more investigations, tried to get the boy to talk to us again.
	Uh, and you will actually hear, it sounds like the same boy in a clip later tonight from that same location.
	Oh, really?
	We audibly heard him the second time.
	Barbara, I can barely hear you.
	I said, we audibly heard him when we went back the second time.
	You did?
	We heard, uh, there was three of us that heard him.
	Out loud?
	He was pretty loud.
	We could not make out what it said.
	And in fact, when I first heard it, I thought the lady that owned the building had her child there or something.
	And I had said to Roger, I hope she doesn't have children here.
	And then I went and sought her out and found out that she did not have children there.
	Okay, we've always talked about people with EVP and I've got a question.
	Corey from Minneapolis emailed me and said, Art, I'm not sure whether you take, well of course I take questions from my guests, but he wants to know whether you all have ever picked up the sound of an animal or any animal sounds at all or what you thought were animal sounds from the other side.
	Yes, we've picked up growling, Which sounded like an animal growl, although it could have been a person growling.
	You know, I mean a ghost voice growling.
	We've also picked up a snarling that sounded like a large mountain lion or a cougar or something like that.
	What about dogs barking, cats meowing, anything of that sort?
	You know, I don't think we've picked up a cat meowing.
	We have.
	There's been dogs barking.
	I do remember outside of a mausoleum one time.
	Really?
	We had picked some up on tape and then also inside the mausoleum, which you wouldn't expect that.
	So, I mean, there certainly wasn't a dog running around that place.
	Now, I can understand that for the purposes, you know, of doing a radio show like this, for example, you would not necessarily bring those sounds forth.
	But you know what?
	If you've got some of them, the next time you're on, I would actually appreciate it if you'd include a few of those.
	Could you possibly?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, we can.
	Because a lot of people want to know the answer to that question.
	If we move on to some other realm, if our consciousness continues to exist, then what about that of our beloved animals?
	I am glad you brought up the purposes of doing a radio show and the EVP that we play, because you do notice that the EVP that we've played on your show has been, for the most part, fairly loud.
	And, you know, you may not be able to understand what's being said, but you can hear there's a voice there.
	All right.
	And it's not always that way.
	The majority of the time the EVP we get is very low and very staticky and whispery, almost in the background.
	You certainly could not play it on the radio.
	And we don't want people to think that, you know, this is how EVP sounds all the time, because it doesn't always sound like this.
	Okay, now we've talked many times about people proving this to themselves.
	I can understand people are in doubt.
	So I've had people email me and say, Art, I'm going to give it a try.
	I'm going to take a piece of equipment, I'm going to go to a location, and I'm going to try to get EVP.
	And I'll tell you what, folks, more than eight out of ten times, I get another email saying, oh my God, I thought this was so much baloney.
	But guess what?
	And then, inevitably, they either describe or include a sound file with an EVP they picked up, and they become believers.
	Exactly.
	How can you not?
	I mean, that's how we started.
	You know, I've always believed in ghosts, but I've never... You know, when I first heard about EVP, it just sounded nuts to me.
	Why would you go to a cemetery and talk to yourself till one o'clock in the morning Ask these questions and, you know, God forbid somebody walks by you and wonders what you're doing and, you know, calls the police and you end up in a straitjacket.
	So, I mean... How close have you come?
	I don't know.
	Sometimes I wonder myself how close I've come.
	Well, no, I mean, in having somebody call 911 or saying, you know, and saying something like, hey, listen, there's a couple of shadowy characters with some weird electronic stuff and they're in the cemetery.
	Well, we actually, we have had that.
	You know, we always get permission wherever we go, you know, especially cemeteries.
	So the police always know that we're there.
	And we have had neighbors, you know, see flashlights and things like that going off in the cemetery.
	So they call and the police come and what's neat is a lot of the time the police actually stay with us because they're so interested in what we're doing.
	No kidding.
	Yes, and we, you know, we always welcome a policeman to be with us just for our protection.
	Well, of course.
	Isn't that something, that they do get that interested in seeing somebody out in such a setting, you know, with recording equipment?
	A lot of times they'll relate the experiences that they've had, you know, in the paranormal realm.
	Well, police officers have a lot of them, Barbara.
	Yes, I know.
	Truck drivers, policemen, hospital staff.
	You know, very professional, well-trained people.
	These are the kind of people we hear from on a regular basis here on Coast, and they call because they've had those experiences.
	You're right, EMT people, nurses, even doctors.
	A lot of doctors have talked to me very privately, and so they all have them.
	At any rate, What do you say to the audience about how this has affected you and your religious belief or lack of it, whatever it is you are, how has all of this affected you, either one of you or both?
	Well for me it confirms what I felt before I heard voices.
	I've always believed that there is an afterlife and it's just kind of a confirmation And for you, Brendan?
	Well, you know, it's the same thing.
	As I mentioned before, I've always believed in ghosts.
	You know, I had experiences as a child in my grandparents' house, so, I mean, it's something I've always really believed in.
	But, I mean, like you mentioned before, you can only try this for yourself.
	When you start getting these things, what other conclusion can you have once you've rolled out radio transmissions and things like that?
	For me, I know this is out there.
	I mean, there's no reason someone else shouldn't try it and just see for themselves.
	I mean, you're out $20 for a recorder if you do that.
	All right.
	People inevitably are going to say, what kind of equipment?
	If you were to recommend to a beginner, somebody who's going to make their first Sojourn to a cemetery or something.
	And there are a lot of them who will listen tonight and then be willing to give it a try because they want the answer to this ultimate question just like we all do.
	Brennan, what would you recommend they have with them?
	What'll work?
	Well, anything that can record sound will work.
	I mean, you can spend as much or as little money on this as you want.
	So you can go buy, like I said, a $20 recorder from Radio Shack, and as long as you're using a brand new tape, there's nothing wrong with that.
	But you can also spend, you know, right now, I've got a VAIO laptop set up to do nothing but record for EVP.
	So you're recording on hard drive?
	Yes, exactly.
	And then I've also got an iPod connected to that to store everything else.
	Alright.
	I mean, you know, we've gotten pretty...
	Pretty hard into this as far as equipment goes.
	And so the audience knows.
	So from a simple tape recorder, which would be sufficient, what should a person's expectations be?
	If they go out and they spend several hours, either one of you, and they come home and carefully listen to what they've got, what should their expectations be?
	Are they going to have to go out once, twice, ten times, a hundred times to get something?
	It just really depends.
	There's no guarantee that the spot that they choose to go and record is going to have any
	kind of ghost there.
	Okay, what are the hot spots?
	Well, that's another thing too.
	You know, there's no guarantee.
	There's not a guarantee that you're going to record anything.
	But I think if you go there, I think a lot of it is your attitude.
	And, you know, it just really depends.
	I mean, there's no guarantee that they will get anything.
	But on the equipment, you can also use just a regular video camera.
	Sure, it has an audio recording track.
	And you can pick up EVP on a video recorder.
	So, Barbara, you're saying you believe that your expectation, your Um, your own willpower may in fact open a door.
	Is that a way to put it?
	I think your attitude has a lot to do with how they respond to you.
	Your attitude.
	Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook go into really weird places, oh god, into, you know, prisons
	and hospitals and graveyards and they take recorders and they record the voices of people
	on the other side.
	Bye.
	Pretty weird as an avocation, I would say.
	You too?
	Pretty weird?
	No, not at all.
	Not at all, of course not.
	Wherever there's activity, that's where we go.
	Okay, so now we're going to present to the public what are voices from the other side.
	Now, sometimes these voices are responsive to what you say, indicating that there's awareness in the present, pretty strong fact, and sometimes they don't, as though you're just listening into somebody's party line conversation.
	Is that correct?
	Which do you get more of, the responsive stuff to something you've said, or a question, or just a sort of a snatch of a conversation?
	I think the majority of the time we get responsive EVP, I mean things that somehow relate to what we're doing.
	Okay.
	Although, you know, the human brain can always find some sort of attachment.
	Exactly.
	Because it struggles to do exactly that.
	But some of them do seem, uh... Absolutely.
	Some are very clear.
	Yes.
	And they are responding to us.
	Let's let them decide for themselves.
	Let's do it, folks.
	What have we got first?
	The first nine voices are from a house that we did Two women lived in the house or are living in the house.
	They practice Wiccan and we really are not sure if this is ghost voices or if it's from what they are practicing.
	So, instead of going into a Roman Catholic household, or place of worship, or some other mainstream Christian religion, you have now gone into the Wiccan world, is that right?
	Yes.
	What made you decide to do that?
	Well, these two women, they emailed us about a month and a half, two months ago.
	And the email was just, it was so frantic.
	I could just tell that these people, I mean, they had an actual problem.
	They didn't know what was going on and they were worried about it.
	Oh.
	And, you know, just paraphrasing what they said in the email, it was one lady that lived there had been scratched repeatedly.
	She said the The day that they wrote the email was the last time that she was scratched and it was really deep on the back of her neck.
	Their Wiccan altar that they had, when they had gone outside to do some yard work, when they came back in, it had been torn apart and thrown all over the house.
	There was also an ash letter on the inside of their front door, on the back of the door, Which was what?
	discovered when they were going to close the door for the day. There was this huge
	letter on the door and we they left it on the door for us to see it. Which was
	what? Basically it was just one simple word that said he.
	That's it. He? He.
	All right so these two Wiccan ladies had been living here for some time.
	They felt they had a problem in their house, and so they called you.
	Oh yeah, and you'll actually hear these women talk in these clips, and you can tell they sound scared.
	I mean, and they told us, we ask people when we do these interviews, you know, Is this something that bothers you?
	Does it scare you?
	They were really almost terrified.
	They were terrified.
	All right, well I can hear a lot of Christians going, yeah, well what a surprise there.
	Look what they're coming with.
	And it was surprising to me that they really didn't realize what they were involved in.
	All right, let's see if we can discern what they were involved in.
	The first ones is what?
	Yeah, you're going to hear the lady of the house speak and she's saying This is what she's saying.
	And whenever it is down there, she's talking about the basement.
	And whatever it is down there is not happy with me.
	He doesn't like me at all.
	He hurt me twice last night and once this morning.
	And then I say, and what's taken place?
	And then she says, I've got that there.
	You will hear Roger say, I see that.
	And I say, and this occurred from last night.
	Is this referring to the door?
	The scratch.
	Okay.
	Oh, the scratch.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	She had several scratches on different parts of her body.
	Right.
	They were quite deep.
	They were very, very thin.
	Almost like somebody had taken a needle and scratched.
	And finish what she says.
	And she says, and this one occurred today.
	This one and that one occurred last night.
	And she's talking about the scratches showing up on her neck.
	And then I say, let me see your fingernails, and then it sounds like a child that says, it ran away.
	Huh.
	All right, that's what you're listening for, everybody.
	Here we go.
	And whatever it is down there is not happy with me.
	He doesn't like me at all.
	He hurt me twice last night and once this morning.
	And what's taking place?
	I've got that there.
	I see that.
	And this occurred from last night?
	This one occurred today.
	This one and that one occurred last night.
	So I'm assuming it's something else.
	It kind of went...
	Alright, well that's clear.
	That's really clear.
	I mean at the end, It says, clearly it ran away, and that, okay, number one, always these questions, there were no children present?
	No, there was four members of the GIS and the two ladies.
	It ran away.
	That's of course another very troubling thing about EVP in general, there are so many children's voices by In just sheer numbers, well, what are the numbers, folks?
	What percentage of EVPs are or appear to be children?
	I would say that at least 80% that we get are children.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	I can't explain it.
	Honest answer.
	Good answer.
	I mean, if you can't explain something... I mean, there's really no way you could.
	All you'd be doing is just really theorizing with nothing to back it up.
	I want to hear just the last part of that, so I'm going to go ahead and cue this up and try and do that one more time.
	See if you think this is clearly a child's voice at the end.
	that is to say what you're about to hear, or if it could possibly be a woman's voice.
	But clearly it does say it ran away.
	So here we go.
	No, I'll just say it.
	I was trying to discern between a possible female voice and that of a child, sometimes difficult to do, but that sure seemed clearly a child, didn't it?
	Yes, it sounds like a child to us.
	Alright, did you two get the feeling that you were in the presence of something negative when you were there?
	I did.
	I thought, and I don't know if it's so much what these people were involved in, Or, if it will, what was actually there.
	I mean, the entity that was actually there.
	I told Barbara when I was going through some of these voices that I had a feeling, I mean, you'll hear a man's voice, you'll hear a woman's voice, you'll hear a child's voice, all from the same house.
	And I get the feeling this is all the same entity.
	I don't think this is different voices.
	Really?
	I just... It's like Brennan had the impression that it was some entity playing a game with us.
	And you two both feel that the women who were living there opened this door?
	Without a doubt, yes.
	Alright, let's go to number two.
	Still in this house.
	Okay, now this one, I recorded right after we had finished the initial interview with these women.
	And I had recorded this off the laptop, and you're going to hear me say, I thought I still had that plugged in there for a second.
	I'm just referring to the laptop as I'm getting up to walk downstairs.
	And then you hear a young girl, it's not quite a child, just a young girl, that sounds like she says, Christian tore her clothes.
	Christian tore her clothes.
	We've been trying to figure out if this girl is talking about another woman named Christian, or a man named Christian that tore some girl's clothes.
	Or a Christian.
	Alright, let's rock, here we go.
	Thought I still had that plugged in there for a second.
	Wow.
	Man, that's a good one.
	Christian tore her clothes.
	I clearly hear that.
	Now I wonder if anybody in the audience...
	Here's something different.
	That seems extremely clear to me.
	Extremely clear.
	One of the clearest EVPs I think I've heard in a long time.
	And you know what's nice is a lot of these EVPs that we're picking up off the laptop now have been, I think, some of the clearest that we have ever recorded.
	A note on number one.
	I was sitting next to Brendan recording with my digital recorder on that first voice that said it ran away.
	And I didn't pick that up at all.
	And we were probably three at the farthest away from each other three feet.
	So, two machines, but only one gets it.
	Yes.
	Uh-huh.
	Got it.
	All right.
	I want to do that last one again.
	It is so clear.
	It says, Christian tore her clothes.
	Now listen carefully.
	I thought I still had that plugged in there for a second.
	Christian tore her clothes.
	Christian tore her clothes.
	Alright, so, other than the possibility, and this sounds brutal to say, and I'm going to say it anyway, just see what happens, but other than the possibility that the two of you, if not the five of you, have faked something.
	Uh, that's very harsh.
	But other than that possibility, I think what we have on our hands is absolute proof of something on the other side.
	Now, I'm sure people have accused you of faking things.
	I mean, the human mind reaches out and demands an explanation for something.
	I mean, after all, something this incredible requires an incredible proof, and you're delivering this incredible proof, if it's real.
	You know, I mean, you're taught as a child that this doesn't exist.
	I mean, from the time you're a kid, maybe six years old, Until adulthood.
	You're taught that this does not exist.
	What do you mean?
	That ghosts don't exist?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, the majority of people are taught that this stuff does not exist.
	Depends on what family you're from.
	You know, it's on the lines of the tooth fairy and things like that.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know if that's true.
	You know, there are a lot of households where they do... I mean, if you believe that the spirit continues, then the concept of ghosts is not that difficult to grasp, is it?
	Not so much the concept, but to actually believe in it.
	And that's where we see a lot of this.
	You know, we do lectures and things like that, and people Yes.
	say you know i have been told that this doesn't exist so what you're showing me
	is and they almost are getting defensive with it
	they they have a set in their mind that this does not exist and we're
	trying to challenge what they believe for so long yes and i think that that's really what bothers them but
	this whole thing goes back to what we initially said We don't make any money at this.
	We don't want to make any money at this.
	We're never going to make any money at this.
	Yes, but you could make money at this.
	Yes, we could, and we won't.
	We will not make money at this.
	We've said that from day one since we started this group.
	We don't want money.
	My guess is you've had offers.
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, we've, I mean, for anything from book deals, selling our shirts, charging for the website, everything.
	And there's no point.
	We enjoy doing it.
	And we enjoy sharing it with people.
	And we enjoy teaching people how to do it.
	So, that's why we do this.
	Why do you enjoy doing all of that?
	It's amazing.
	It's interesting to do.
	When you have a ghost experience, a real physical ghost experience, It's unlike anything you'll ever encounter in your life.
	I mean, it just defies your logic.
	It certainly does defy logic, but only when you look at it in a certain way, perhaps the way you were brought up.
	Alright, let's try and squeeze number three in here if we can.
	Okay, I was talking to the women in the house and I was Suggesting to them to go ahead and start keeping documentation, the times of day that an occurrence takes place, what the weather is like, and you will hear a woman say, strange light.
	Strange light.
	Do you think that was in any way referring to anything you said?
	I do not think so, but... It very well could have been referring to your infrared camera, though.
	It could have been the infrared camera that I had.
	So you had infrared radiating?
	Yes.
	Uh-huh.
	Oh, isn't that fascinating?
	Alright, let's listen.
	It's time to say...
	...let the weather fly.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Whispered.
	whispered they had the infrared light radiating
	from the camera and that was a anybody challenge that
	Was that not, that was a whisper, yes?
	Yes, it was very whispery, but she, even though it was a whisper, she was loud.
	Why would a Why would a ghost, someone on the other side, whisper?
	It could be the possibility that that's as loud as her energy was at the time.
	Well, it takes as much energy to whisper as it does to say something, doesn't it?
	You would think so, but you're dealing with an unknown here, so... Sure it does.
	Every bit as much energy, believe me.
	Absolutely.
	So, was there some attempt at being dramatic there, do you think?
	Well, and, you know, I really do... Well, it's like I said earlier, the majority of the EVPs we get are very whispery.
	What we present on your show are the best of the best of what we record after hours and hours and hours.
	Yes, it is very important the audience understand that.
	The ones we have heard so far are very clear to me, and I think very clear to the audience.
	But do remember, these are the best of the best.
	Out of curiosity, how many hours do you all spend on this every day, every week, every month, whatever?
	Oh, good God.
	Boy, that's hard.
	We never really timed it.
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	It's hours.
	Basically, our free time is devoted to this.
	That's just what we do.
	So, if we're not working, we're working on this.
	So, you're talking about hours every day?
	Yes.
	The majority of days, yes.
	Wow, that's an awful lot of listening.
	And for, I mean, do you hear, again I'm trying to give the audience some idea of what they might expect if they experiment themselves.
	How often do you hear something?
	I know that's hard to answer and maybe you hear a couple things in a row, but I mean, if you sit there for three hours and you don't hear something, is that a bad session?
	I don't for a second think they faked them.
	I've run through in my mind all of the technical possible explanations, alternative explanations for what we're getting, and I've ruled those out.
	Therefore, I believe this is the real McCoy.
	However, there is a slight fly in the ointment for me, and we'll talk about that aspect in just a moment.
	Sound of explosion.
	fly in the ointment.
	What do I mean by that?
	Well, here it is.
	If there is consciousness and continuation following what we have now, most Christians, well, why limit it to Christians?
	The world's population, I think, has it in their mind that there is the traditional picture of, you know, the angel with the wings bopping about from nice cloud to nice cloud.
	There's the image of meeting with relatives who have passed on on the other side, loved ones, pets, all of that.
	Or perhaps you believe there'll be 70 virgins on the other side.
	I don't know.
	It takes that range.
	But many people believe many things.
	The problem in the ointment, in the fly in the ointment, is that what we're hearing tonight and what we always hear when we do EVPs Well, it just doesn't sound like somebody in the middle of Seventy Virgins, or flying and flitting about from cloud to cloud, or any of the rest of that.
	It sounds, well, in some cases, scary.
	Scary would be the right word.
	So it doesn't meet a lot of expectations of what the other side is like for a lot of people, you two.
	Any comments?
	Now, Art, why do you have to be so negative?
	Well, it's an observation impossible not to make.
	You know, doing this, I have never seen anything that contradicts, you know, that there's a heaven or a hell or anything else.
	I think this is just something else that happens.
	You know, personally, I do believe that there is a heaven and hell.
	I think that's something that's out there, and for whatever reason, these people haven't gone there.
	Alright, so your answer is, these people aren't there, wherever there is, yet.
	But they're also not here.
	They got a foot here, but they're still anchored here.
	And you know, there's been times and locations that we've gone numerous times, and You know, we've recorded the same voice a couple of times, and then all of a sudden, the voice just disappears.
	That person does not appear on our recorders anymore, um, and we just don't hear it again.
	You believe they've moved on?
	It almost seems like it.
	I mean, if you go back to, uh, there's a voice that, it sounds like an older woman saying, I'm completely dead.
	I remember that, yes.
	And, when you listen to that, you know, obviously we're doing an investigation, and all of a sudden this woman says, I'm completely dead.
	And you listen to it and it's almost like she's just realized by us being there looking for ghosts that, hey, I'm dead.
	I'm not supposed to be here.
	That's it.
	She's gone.
	We never heard from her again, anything.
	And we've gone to that location many, many times.
	All right.
	Then, to be clear, you don't think you're tapped into heaven.
	You don't think you're tapped into hell.
	You think you're tapped into something in between, is the only phrase I can think of.
	Purgatory.
	Whatever.
	Exactly.
	It's something that's in between.
	And that something in between has these people on earth, not necessarily even knowing they're dead.
	I believe that that's the case in some instances, especially when you look at them interacting with us.
	And I mean, there's definitely cases where they are aware of us, aware of what we're doing.
	Case number four.
	Okay.
	Now this one, this is also from the Wiccans House.
	And I had just gone into the basement where the lady had said that she felt such an evil presence and she was being scratched and, you know, the door was blowing open and shut.
	Right.
	And you hear me say, is anyone down here?
	And then, this makes no sense really, but it sounds like a man saying, I want to feed bugs.
	I want to feed bugs?
	Uh, okay.
	Is anyone down here?
	Well, that's one of those that I'm not sure that's what I hear and I don't know if it's
	as clear to me as that one more time.
	Is anyone down here?
	I want to feed the bugs.
	Hmm.
	I want to feed the bugs.
	Okay.
	I want to feed the bugs.
	Alright, I want to feed the bugs, but you don't.
	You know, that's one of those cases where I can't tell what you've suggested to me I should hear is what I then hear, or what?
	Yeah, it is.
	As we've mentioned, this is very subjective.
	Some are very clear.
	It's just you don't come to any other conclusion, but there are some that are... I mean, if we say it, that's more than likely what you're going to hear, because we've already trained your mind to hear that.
	Alright, so you just flat admit that's true?
	Oh yeah, there's no doubt.
	That's one of, I don't know if it's so much a problem with EVP, but it's one of the biggest hurdles with it.
	Because ultimately, there's a voice that should not be there.
	But, I mean, trying to decipher what some of these are saying is really hard.
	Alright, and if people want more, you have a website, ghostpics.com, I believe it is, right?
	That's correct.
	Let's spell it for everybody.
	It's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X dot com.
	All right.
	And actually, real quick, I do want to announce that we just put the second recording of the Spiricom tapes up there.
	Oh, the whole second half?
	The whole second half, the entire hour of it.
	There's now two hours of Spiricom on our website.
	All right.
	Spiricom, George Meeks, these were incredible experiments in which they talked real time I have not yet heard the second hour.
	and the spirits actually gave them electronic design in order to improve the machine used to communicate with
	the other side.
	It was incredible what went on.
	And you've got the second hour up there.
	Yes, that's correct.
	So you can go there, just click on the Spiracom link, and you can download the two MP3 files.
	I have not yet heard the second hour.
	How is it as compared to the first hour?
	You know, I don't think it provides really as much contemporary information
	as the first hour did.
	I mean, because obviously in the first hour you had Mueller from the other side, you know, giving a social security number and, you know, giving electronics info on how to fix the machine and all that.
	I know.
	That affected me profoundly.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	I mean, how can it not?
	I mean, if that's true, it's amazing!
	Have you two ever thought of trying to get into the business of live communication?
	We have.
	It's been a hard, hard thing.
	I know we mentioned about two years ago we'd started working with a real-time recorder, is what we called it.
	It was basically just a tape player that had a second playhead.
	So that you could hear whatever it is live?
	Exactly.
	It was about a second delay between the time we said something and the time we actually heard the recording of it.
	Alright.
	And it didn't work so well.
	It didn't work so well?
	No, it took a lot of modifying and we're still now toying with it.
	Okay, you understand, don't you, the concept that Meeks worked with, the sort of white noise, and you'd have to study the circuitry, but he produced a noise that made it very easy for spirits on the other side of whatever to modulate this white noise or this noise that he created.
	Oh yeah.
	And how about pursuing that?
	And this is where it's a little different from what we do.
	I mean, it ties in, but not exactly.
	I don't think what they're contacting through things like Spiricom and all that is the same.
	I mean, they're obviously people that have lived and passed on, but I don't believe they're actual what you would call a ghost.
	I don't believe they're stuck here for some reason.
	I think they are actually on the other side.
	Oh, you do?
	I just, I don't see why they would Why they would have stayed behind.
	And as far as I know, there's never really been a case of any haunting activity associated with them.
	How do you delineate between the two, if you don't mind?
	I mean, what makes you decide that?
	Well, just what I just said, that there's never been what you would consider haunting activity associated with, you know, the Spiricom research and things like that.
	Actually, I'm going to take that back.
	I just thought of something.
	When Meeks was doing this, Meeks and Bill O'Neill, the two researchers doing the Spiricom work, they actually did report that a book on one end of the laboratory had gone and floated from one end to the other.
	Voila.
	So yeah, that just popped in my head.
	So maybe let me take that back.
	Consider it taken back.
	Good enough.
	We work on the fly here.
	Alright, number five.
	Back to EVPs here.
	Number five.
	Okay, on this next one we are still in the Wiccan House.
	You will hear Brendan say, I tell you what, it is hot in this house.
	And then a male says, she didn't put it down.
	Okay, here we go.
	I tell you what, it is hot in this house.
	She didn't burn it down.
	Huh.
	She didn't burn it down.
	She didn't burn it down.
	Uh, again, that one's a little hard, isn't it?
	Yes.
	It also has that odd noise behind it.
	She didn't put it down, but if you'll all listen closely to that, there's a kind of a, that's the right word for it, a kind of wavery aspect to the way the voice comes through, and it's very apparent in this one.
	What do you all think that is?
	We hear that from time to time, not every voice, but there are certain voices that we hear that wavery sound, and there's also, we've noticed, a popping noise every once in a while.
	Before these voices comes in, there's almost like a pop or a click.
	Snap or something.
	Interesting.
	So do you frequently record that pop or a click in what you give us here on the radio, or do you just ignore that part?
	That's very interesting.
	And do you hear a pop or a click at the end?
	No, not at the end.
	You just hear it right before the voice comes in.
	And there's been times we've actually heard that popper click, and I've gone, it's going to be interesting to see if a voice comes in right after this.
	But we have actually presented some on your show.
	Oh, you should have told me this a long time ago, that's...
	That's something worth considering.
	As though something has been tapped into or a connection has suddenly been established of some kind?
	Exactly, exactly.
	Fascinating.
	Okay.
	Onward and upward.
	Let's continue.
	What's next?
	Now this one, I'm still in the basement and I'm talking to the ghost, which is what we normally do.
	We treat them like regular people.
	And you hear me say, did you scratch that lady?
	Why would you do that?
	And then this man sounds like he says, I'm a big freak.
	Now here's the interesting part about this.
	This voice and the voice right after that were recorded within 20 seconds of each other.
	And this is where I get the feeling, like I told you earlier, that this is the same entity, just acting as different things.
	Because this is a man's voice, and the next voice is a kid's voice.
	Alright, here it comes.
	Did you scratch that lady?
	Why would you do that?
	I'm a little bit freak.
	Oh.
	I'm a little bit freak.
	I'm a little bit freak.
	Oh brother, I'm a big freak.
	Clearly it sounds, it does sound like he's saying, I shouldn't use the word clearly, it's not entirely clear.
	But yes, it sounds like he's saying, I'm a big freak.
	Listen carefully.
	Did you scratch that lady?
	Why would you do that?
	I'm a big freak.
	A self-admission from a ghost.
	If that's what it was.
	Do you think that's what it was?
	I mean, it does appear to be an answer to the question, doesn't it?
	Yes, it does.
	Why'd you scratch that lady?
	Because I'm a big freak.
	Alright, so look, what's being suggested here, obviously, we've said this before, is that this place that we're tapped into, whatever you want to call it, is in fact some kind of Middle area where people are still here on earth Is there any time that you can attach to it?
	I mean have you had people that are from hundreds of years ago who still are not gone?
	Or is it usually a recent death or what?
	No, we've never really been able to correlate any kind of time with it other than There's some voices that we record.
	It's almost in a slang.
	I mean a slang that you know maybe was from a In the last 10-20 years.
	Yeah, and you know you can correlate it with that because you know well that word wasn't around that long ago.
	But I mean we've never had somebody say, you know, I lived in a log cabin in 1834 or something like that.
	And references to current time or current events or things that are going on right now, any of that?
	No, no, nothing like that.
	Which is sad because I mean if that happened I mean, it would just be amazing.
	I mean, it would be along the lines of the Spiracom work.
	Yes.
	Would it bother you to do the kind of work that was being done at Spiracom, to be in an ongoing, full-time, would just absolutely rack your mind discussion with somebody on the other side?
	I mean, could you handle that?
	Oh, yes.
	That would be wonderful.
	I think, ultimately, that's our goal.
	We could ever get to the point that the technology is there to do that.
	I mean, that's what we're working for.
	Well, of course, with the right person and the right equipment, you can follow on the Meek's trail and give it a try.
	I think it would be pretty scary stuff to do myself.
	Okay, the next one, number seven.
	All right, this one you will hear Brendan say, and this is just shortly after the last voice, Uh, you will hear Brennan say, did you do it to hurt her?
	Or to scare her?
	And it sounds like a child that said, she did hurt me.
	Okay, here we go.
	Did you do it to hurt her?
	Or to scare her?
	hurt? She did hurt me. It was a good day. I'm going to go to bed. Bye.
	She did hurt me.
	She did hurt me.
	Is that what you all are hearing at the end?
	Again, it's a little tough, but once suggested, clearly you do hear that.
	One more time.
	Did you do it to hurt her?
	Or to scare her?
	She did hurt me.
	She did hurt me.
	Again, a child's voice and a child's voice saying, she did hurt me.
	Wow.
	By now, are you beginning to get some kind of impression with regard to what went on in this house?
	Do you think it went on in that house?
	You know, I'm not sure what it was that went on in the house because the house really was not that old.
	I would say 20, 30 years maybe at the most.
	But, I mean, this goes back to what we were saying with them being Wiccan.
	I think the things that they have dealt with and things that they have done and maybe opened up, and like Barbara said, I don't even really believe that this is a ghost, you know, like what we normally deal with.
	This is somebody that's lived, died, had a body, everything.
	It just, these voices strike me as different than things that we've recorded in the past.
	Different in In what further sense?
	Well, different as in, I mean, when you put it in the context of what these people have said has happened in the house and things that they've experienced.
	I mean, we don't see that in the cases that we investigate.
	We don't see people being scratched and physically hurt.
	Things like that.
	It just seems like a whole different thing here.
	Can you capsulize your feelings about these two women?
	Were you being leveled with?
	Do you believe them?
	Yeah, I had a sense that they were telling the truth.
	It was something that was afraid of them and, I mean, that they were afraid of.
	And with talking with them, they didn't really realize what they were dealing with.
	Got it.
	All right.
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	In the meantime, Brendan Cook, Barbara McBeth are here, and again, With respect to the nature of the things that we're hearing, some of them are quite frightening, you two.
	This is not a very appealing area where these people are, or it doesn't seem like it is.
	It seems, at times to me, and maybe that's just negative old me, but it seems more negative than positive and scary than fun.
	Yeah, yeah, definitely.
	These two women were definitely afraid of where they were.
	And we could feel that as soon as we went into the house.
	You know, I don't feel anything.
	I'm definitely not a psychic or a sensitive or whatever you call it.
	But when we walked into the house, I mean, it just, it didn't feel good.
	I mean, you knew something, something bad was going on there.
	So, I mean, I almost felt bad for them in a way.
	Because they, like Barbara said, they didn't know what they were getting into, and now they're stuck dealing with it.
	Do they think they know, or do you think you know, specifically, what it was they did that brought this on?
	Well, I asked them if they do incantations and rituals, and they do.
	So, they had no idea that they believe that they are white witches, but they really don't have any kind of perception of the power That they're calling on.
	Okay, here we go.
	Number 8 again.
	This is in the Wiccan House.
	Number 8, what's about to happen here?
	Alright, well this one, I was down in another section of the basement again and I'm just asking a standard question.
	I say, is anyone here?
	Does anyone want to talk to me?
	And then you hear maybe a younger female sound like she says, there was blood.
	Oh, wonderful.
	Here we go.
	Anyone here?
	Anyone want to talk to me?
	Oh my.
	Oh my goodness.
	Uh, there's a lot of people.
	I'm going to go ahead and end the stream.
	That's almost too clear this time.
	In my mind, it clearly says, there was blood.
	There was blood.
	All right, listen one more time.
	Anyone here?
	Do you want to talk to me?
	Alright, comments?
	Well, listen to the way she says blood.
	Yeah, I did.
	There's almost an accent there.
	I mean, it's... The way she pronounces it is just kind of different.
	At this point, how can you not get some pretty negative vibes from this kind of thing?
	There was blood.
	I don't know what it means.
	It means at the scene of the death of this young lady, obviously a female, there was blood.
	Does it mean now, as in where that woman is?
	You know, with that, like I was saying, this is just This place was such a negative place, and what was there was so negative.
	And again, I think that this is all the same entity.
	I really don't believe these are different beings.
	I think this is the same one just kind of toying with us.
	I mean, making us think there's all these different things going on when there's really just the one that's just doing nothing but tormenting these poor girls.
	Um, in all your years investigating ghosts and this sort of thing, how many times have you had and seen physical manifestations to the degree there is here?
	Scratches, doors marked, all that kind of thing.
	Very physical manifestations.
	How many?
	The type of thing that we saw at this house we have not encountered before.
	The scratching, for sure.
	I've never, never seen someone that is You didn't get any of that here?
	No.
	No, in fact, you go back to the first clip and Barbara's asking to look at this lady's fingernails just to check.
	Good point.
	Alright, onward.
	nails maybe in their sleep.
	So you didn't get any of that here?
	No.
	No, in fact, you go back to the first clip and Barbara's asking to look at this lady's
	fingernails just to check.
	Good point.
	All right, onward, number nine, the last one in the Wiccan House, right?
	Yes.
	You will hear me ask one of the ladies, I say, and what is transpiring here is something
	that is fearful to you?
	And she answered yes.
	And then it sounds like a child who says, who kissed you.
	You're telling me there are two different voices.
	A woman's voice first.
	No, the lady of the house replied yes to my question.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, so who kissed you is just... Is a child's voice.
	It sounds like a child.
	Alright, here we go.
	And what is transpiring here?
	Is it something that's spiritual to you?
	Yes.
	I can't see.
	Ha!
	I can't see.
	I can't see.
	Oh, isn't that one an odd one, Mike?
	My goodness.
	That's one of the more clear EVPs that I've ever heard.
	Again, troubling hearing it.
	Obviously, a child.
	One more time.
	And what is transpiring here?
	Is it something that's fearful to you?
	Yes.
	A child. A child. A child.
	Yes, a child.
	And also very clear.
	Now, I don't know if it's just me or the audience is sitting out there shaking their heads.
	Yes, that was clear.
	Some are going to seem, I'm sure, clear to some.
	But there was no two ways around that.
	That is what was said there.
	That's what we believe, yes.
	Who do you think she was talking to?
	You know, this one is so hard because that That child does not sound like the other child's voice in that house.
	Right.
	You know, I really... Like we said before, this house was so, so different from things we've experienced in the past.
	And the things that were going on there, and the physical manifestations, all that was so different.
	I don't know.
	I really don't.
	I mean, it's... It was just such an odd place.
	From all these years of EVPs that you've been doing, so many of them children, what have you learned?
	There must be, if somebody were to ask you, which I'm doing, what have you learned?
	How do you respond?
	What have you learned about the nature of the other side?
	What have you learned about what we can expect?
	How many of us are going to end up in this mid area that we can't seem to define very well?
	What have you learned?
	Well, the first thing, and this is the thing that struck me right off, is the personality stays the same.
	I mean, when the person dies and passes on, they don't become evil or wicked or anything like that.
	If they were nice in life, they'd stay that way.
	Just because your mother passes on, for whatever reason, she decides, oh, I'm going to stick around, it doesn't mean she's become evil and is trying to hurt you.
	It becomes scary because you don't understand what's going on.
	But, I mean, the biggest thing is the personality.
	It stays the same.
	So if you're nice in life, you stay that way.
	If you're mean and evil, then you stay that way when you pass on.
	Is there interaction going on between these entities?
	Have you learned that?
	Yes.
	We have recorded what sounds like conversation between two entities.
	Okay.
	So then maybe our expectations really should be lowered and it's going to be basically the same on the other side as it is here with all the frustrated, angry people that are in our world.
	They're simply going to move on and be frustrated and angry in the next one.
	Exactly.
	I believe if you don't get your ducks in a row before you pass on, they're still going to be mischievous in your In your consciousness when you pass.
	You know, every EVP session we have ever done, one of our standard questions that we always ask is, what is it like where you're at?
	Uh-huh.
	You know, is it hot?
	Is it cold?
	Is there time?
	I mean, things like that.
	Gee, I remember answers like dark and cold.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And there was one that just threw me off.
	I remember it sounded, again, like a kid.
	I just asked, what is it like where you're at?
	And a child answers, birds.
	No, just the word birds.
	I didn't understand that.
	That's slightly encouraging in a way.
	In a way, yes.
	Other than fire, brimstone, freezing cold.
	There you go being negative again.
	It just isn't sounding like a party over there on the other side.
	I believe that the spirits that remain as ghosts and hauntings, I believe that they aren't happy.
	Alright, so did you leave these two poor stricken Wiccan practitioners with any advice or help or anything after your session?
	I advised them to start researching what Wiccan is, not the new age stuff, but older books.
	Well, and I'm sure you remember, in fact, we were talking about this tonight, I'm sure you remember Harlot the Witch.
	And all that.
	Of course.
	I think that's a lot of what these people don't understand.
	But now, wait just a moment.
	A lot of people are going to be very upset.
	Harlot the Witch, actually the Satanist by her own description, wasn't just Wiccan.
	A lot of people are going to write emails and be very upset because most Wiccans view themselves as very positive people.
	To make that comparison is to make a giant leap that we ought not make.
	That young lady was a Satanist.
	Hail Satan, all that sort of thing.
	She said that she was going to take her son to hell with her, and it was very dramatic.
	And I didn't mean to make a comparison between the two, but what I'm trying to say is there's a lot of people that get involved with it, like these two ladies, before they realize what they're getting involved with.
	They're ignorant about the subject, about how to conduct themselves, anything.
	I mean, they have no protection at all.
	And they just go into it because all their friends are doing it, so hey, it's a neat thing to do.
	Okay, but it is in no way satanic that I'm aware of, so it's important to make that distinction.
	They should inform themselves on what they're getting involved in.
	It sounds very much like a warning, or were you telling them they didn't know what they were doing, go back and read about early Wicca or what?
	They need to research and educate themselves on what they're doing.
	Alright, in the meantime, how do they get rid of somebody, obviously, you know, scratches and physical things.
	This is really bad.
	So, how do they exorcise, perhaps the right word?
	As far as it goes with them, I mean, we told them to do the standard thing that we tell people to do.
	If it really bothers them, you know, Tell this thing it has to leave.
	Say, I do not want you here.
	You are not allowed to be here.
	You are in my space now.
	The thing is, with this, like I said, I do not believe this was an actual ghost.
	I think this is something completely different, and... I mean, it's... We don't do exorcisms.
	We don't do things like that.
	And we told them that, you know, and... I don't even know if they could do anything that would actually work.
	So, what hope were you giving them?
	That you would somehow understand what the spirit wanted or get some information that would help them be rid of it?
	Actually, I don't think we can give them much hope with these voices.
	It doesn't help them.
	If anything, it will make things worse for them.
	If they were to move and physically get up and leave where they are and go someplace else, the odds of their being followed would be how high?
	Well, it depends on if they've They've continued doing what they were doing and have not taken other precautions as far as protecting themselves when they do this or even understanding really what they've been doing.
	What kind of specific precaution would you talk about, for example?
	Well, this is out of our realm.
	I'm not familiar completely with the Wiccan religion, but I know there are spells that they do to protect themselves and things like that.
	I mean, as far as we know, and from what they have told us, they weren't doing this.
	They weren't.
	They were just kind of jumping into it because it was neat.
	It was a cool thing to do.
	So, that's where their problem was.
	I see.
	So, over their heads.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Alright, let's leave the Wiccan House, and where are we headed next?
	Well, where we're at now is the Exchange Building, which is The location of the EVP that sounds like the boy drowning.
	The Exchange Building being what?
	That's what it's called, is the Exchange Building.
	It's been... I mean, originally it was, I believe, a bank, and then office buildings, and then the last incarnation of it was a mental institution.
	Oh.
	Weaver County Mental Health, I believe is what they called it.
	All right, so a mental health facility where you would expect to get some pretty unusual stuff, I suppose, huh?
	Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
	In fact, we did get some unusual stuff there.
	Yesterday I had an email from the woman that owns it.
	I mean, we're in constant contact with her, you know, because this is an ongoing investigation that we're involved with.
	Now you guys call me negative, but here you are.
	Tonight's presentation consists of a Wickenhouse and a mental hospital.
	Now, gee whiz, your expectations from places like this should be what?
	Negative.
	You know, it's the same as going to a prison.
	I mean, you look at the show we did with you where we went to the prison, I don't recall one happy Happy ghost letter.
	I mean, it was all negative, negative stuff.
	So, you guys kind of look for, let's see if I can put it in the form of a question, do you find more EVPs per hour of listening in negative places than you do in positive places?
	Yes.
	Yes, we do.
	So, let me think, what might that mean?
	Could that mean that the people in these negative places are, let's think about this, less likely to move on?
	If goodness and truth and love of God and all these things cause you to move on, then these people who are mostly negative, well, they haven't moved on yet.
	Correct.
	But, you know, we've also found that emotions I mean, whether it's happy, love, sadness, anything like that.
	Just emotion by itself is enough, it seems, to keep people here.
	You know, and we find this, we've theorized this with cemeteries, because why would a cemetery be haunted?
	I mean, think about that.
	Why would you stay around your body after you passed on?
	And then you start thinking about, well, you know, all the family members that come to your grave every day, and they're weeping for you, and they're so I mean, they're sad.
	It's the emotion.
	It's almost like it's keeping you trapped here.
	I've heard that from so many.
	I mean, whether you watch movies or read books about this kind of thing, that is exactly the conclusion they seem to almost overwhelmingly come to, that love or attaching yourself, constantly thinking about that person in some way, keeps them here and doesn't let them move on.
	Exactly.
	That appears to be the case in some of them.
	So then you find more negative people in this realm that you're tapped into for reasons that are obvious.
	The more negative people who have done negative things just don't move on.
	They're stuck here.
	That's what it seems like.
	So what about the possibility that what you're actually listening to I hate to say this, or suggest it, is hell.
	I believe that that could very well be.
	You do?
	Yes.
	People create their own hell here on earth.
	I mean, I think a lot of this is repetition.
	And that's where you get your problem.
	I mean, I think to certain people, hell is repetition.
	And I know that's quoted from a Stephen King book.
	I think that's very true.
	I mean, what is worse than that?
	And so many of these voices that we hear, and certain haunting phenomena, is repetition.
	You know, the same time every night, you hear a door slam.
	You know, things like that.
	No question about it.
	No question about it.
	we're about to take a break but uh... when we come back we'll will go to this
	mental institution and we'll see what kind of uh...
	what kind of lives we get from that once again the ghost investigated investigators society uh...
	Brendan Cook, Barbara McBeth, two of five members of the society.
	Remember folks, they have a website if you want to hear more, or you want to see more, because they actually have pictures of ghosts up there, right folks?
	Yes, pictures, videos, we have all sorts of stuff.
	Ghostpics.com, that's G-H-O-S-T-P-I-X.
	That's correct.
	Dot com.
	Okay, well that's easy.
	Alright, now, oh wait, just before we do, Rob in Sacramento fast blasted me the following damn good question too.
	He says, if it's hell they're picking up in the EVPs, then why are they getting children since children are ideally exempt from hell being pure and innocent?
	That's a pretty good question.
	I don't believe that it is hell as we think of it traditionally.
	Yeah, I think the children I can't explain.
	That's really thrown a wrench on how I used to think what happened to little children when they passed on.
	Yes, indeed.
	I mean, he really does make a good point.
	You acknowledged a little while ago it might be hell.
	I think people create their own hell.
	Yes, but children?
	The children, I can't explain.
	I don't know.
	The only thing I can think of... Maybe we need another name for this place.
	Do you have a name for it?
	Is there something you call it privately?
	I kind of refer to it as like a...
	Well, now I can't think of the word.
	Purgatory?
	No.
	I just feel like it's almost a different dimension.
	Oh, I think clearly it's another dimension.
	A holding place.
	We've never really come up with a name for it.
	I mean, it's... Maybe we need a name.
	Maybe we need a name.
	Alright, number 10.
	We're now going into a insane asylum, huh?
	That's correct, yes.
	And it starts out very weird with this first voice we have here.
	It's basically just humming.
	That is all you hear.
	There's no actual spoken word here.
	You just hear, there was probably about A few minutes of silence before this, and then there's a few minutes of silence after this.
	I just left the laptop running by itself.
	Nobody was in the room.
	I was trying to mimic how we recorded the drowning EVP, because we did that the same way.
	We left the laptop running, we left the room, came back, and it was there.
	And it was there.
	And did the same thing here, and you hear a woman humming.
	And there's also sound, like motion, movement sound, taking place at the same time she's Humming, but there was no one in the room.
	Let's check it out.
	out. Here we go.
	Oh yeah. Let's see.
	Oh yeah. That's a woman humming. And oh yeah, I can hear movement clearly in the background
	as though she's walking around a room humming.
	Exactly.
	Look, I hate to come back to this, but the only explanation that's even possibly available to me at this point, and I know it sounds rude, is that you guys are faking this.
	If you're not faking this stuff, then this is real.
	You know, I know you're careful.
	I know you take care with the machines you use, the electronic devices you use, all the rest of it, but this is just too damn good.
	So it's either faked or it's a real McCoy.
	And you do have to ask that.
	I am asking that.
	You know, as any serious skeptic, and I go into these just looking for any other explanation for what this could be, You know, we mentioned radio signals and all that.
	You have the luxury of knowing you didn't fake it.
	Well, yeah, that's definitely true.
	What do you say to somebody out there who says, okay, they're faked?
	I mean... And you have to ask yourself, why?
	I mean, what do we have to gain by that?
	I do ask myself that.
	I mean, with as much as we put into doing this and maintaining the website and putting these together and You know, I mean, if you look at our website, we have, I think, easily 200 samples of EVP by itself.
	I mean, there's just no reason we would do this.
	We don't make money.
	We don't want to make money.
	I mean, we don't want people to send us money.
	We don't want to do books.
	We don't want to do any of that.
	What can come of this, Brendan?
	Where can this go?
	Take the working assumption, it's real.
	Where can this go?
	Can we develop an ongoing talk, a relationship with the other side?
	Can we begin understanding, breaking down the barriers between here and the other side?
	Or is it always going to be at a distance like this?
	You know, just getting little snatches and pieces.
	That's the problem because, I mean you've got, well, You know, it might be very different ten years from now, as the technology develops, where whole conversations can be taking place.
	See, what I was about to say is, I just don't know if we as human beings, where we're at right now, are able to completely understand what's going on.
	Do you ever wonder if maybe you ought not be doing this?
	No.
	I never thought that.
	Never.
	Okay.
	Next one.
	We're short on time.
	I want to get some calls in.
	Okay.
	On this next one, you're going to hear Brendan dropped his flashlight and he says, oh, that can't be good.
	And a woman says he broke my neck.
	And the way she says it is disturbing to me for some reason.
	Here it comes.
	Oh, I can't do this.
	You broke my neck.
	Oh, God, that's cleared.
	Too clear.
	I agree.
	That is, it is very disturbing.
	The way he said it, or the way, I'm sorry, the way she said it, clearly a woman's voice.
	It was almost in a...
	It was almost as if somebody had been interrogating her and she in disgust, there was a kind of a disgust in her voice.
	If you listen carefully.
	Do listen carefully.
	Kind of a disgust in her voice.
	Here you go.
	Oh, that can't be good.
	You guys get the same thing?
	Yes.
	It sounds like she's mad about it.
	Disgusted about it or something, but she's... He broke my neck.
	God, what a line!
	Okay, I don't know what else to do other than to just keep going.
	Otherwise, I sort of dwell on the fact that it all seems so damn negative.
	So, let's keep going.
	Number 12.
	Alright, now this...
	This was obviously also in the Exchange Building, and I'm actually trying to find a place to set the microphone for the laptop, and I'm just kind of talking to myself here.
	You hear me say, I wonder if we can put that, and then I say, oh no.
	And then you hear a man say, my chest hurts.
	What's interesting about this is this man sounds like the same man that you hear in the drowning clip.
	Oh, you guys are centered on that drowning clip, aren't you?
	Alright, alright, here we go.
	You're listening for My Chest Hurts.
	Let's see.
	I wonder if we can put that on.
	My chest hurts.
	Wow.
	My chest hurts.
	My chest hurts.
	Oh, yeah.
	It might be the last thing a lot of people ever say.
	My chest hurts.
	Wouldn't that be right?
	Yes.
	Is that what you took away from it?
	Well, it makes me, in this building, it really makes me wonder what had happened here, because the lady that owns it, she is also a historian, and she's given us background on the building itself, and there has been multiple murders, suicides, all of that in this building.
	So, it hasn't had the best history, and it really does make me wonder if maybe this guy was murdered, shot, I mean, who knows?
	I mean, it's just not a good place.
	Alright, again, how much more likely are you, give me a number, how much more likely are you in a place like an insane asylum, a jail, a Wiccan House, to get EVPs than you are in a place of positive energy?
	I think much more likely.
	By a factor of?
	Oh, I would say easily three to one.
	Three to one!
	And, you know, I think a lot of the deal is the people that own these places, they're the ones that deal with it first, and then they call us and say, oh, well, here's what's going on.
	And that's, these are the places that we hear about.
	I mean, we don't hear about, you know, churches being haunted.
	I think this is my point.
	Again, it's looking at the negative, those who behaved poorly, or those who were troubled, or those who were criminals, or those who were in some way just in big personal trouble.
	Exactly.
	They're the ones who seem to be, excuse the term, left behind.
	They're the ones that are continuing to be tormented mentally.
	Their own torment?
	Yes.
	Okay, number 13.
	On this next one you will hear Brendan say, we're at the exchange building and we're looking to see if there's any evidence of a water basin or anything like that.
	And then a male's voice says, you hate me.
	Here we go.
	We're at the exchange building and we're looking to see if there is any, whether it's a water
	basin or anything like that.
	You're a coward.
	Oof.
	You're a coward.
	You're a coward.
	Alright, listen, I'm not an expert at this, but there's more than you hate me there.
	Yes, there is.
	I can't make out what it is, but I can hear more syllables, uh, coming forth than you hate me.
	Even if you were to drag that out, you hate me.
	There was more there than that.
	Uh, to me, it sounds like he does like a, you, uh, hate me.
	You know, like a growl or a... Let me try it from that perspective.
	We're at the Exchange Building.
	Now we're looking to see if there is any, whether there's a water basin or anything like that.
	No.
	That's so slow it sounds like it's a tape that was running at, uh, you know, some, some portion of its, uh, allotted speed.
	I also thought that there was a possibility that there was two voices in that.
	Oh, I hadn't thought about that.
	These are all different ways to look at these sounds.
	That one was not clear to me.
	But again, there was more to it than just, you hate me.
	I don't know if that's right at all.
	But hey, I understand you guys have to assign something to them when you bring them to the table for the radio program.
	So, there you are.
	Frequently after these shows, do you get a lot of emails with people saying, no, no, no, it said so-and-so.
	Yes, that is probably 70% of our email.
	I bet you, because I get a lot in Fast Blast here.
	As we go along, people are saying, oh, no, no, no, here's what it said, and they got something completely different out of it.
	Exactly, and it all goes to the key thing that there is a voice there that should not have appeared.
	Well, there's the big problem, alright.
	I must say that most of the people sending me messages, whatever they think is being said, none of them are saying that's not a human voice and that it's not saying something because clearly it is.
	Yes, oh yes.
	Alright, number 14.
	Okay, now this one, what was odd is as I was recording with the laptop, It started stopping as I was recording, just for no reason.
	It would just stop recording, and I'd have to go restart it and get it going again.
	And it had just done that, and I started again.
	You hear me say, testing one, two, we've got it going again.
	And I walk off, and as I'm walking off, you hear a kid say, I was really swimming.
	Really?
	And now here's the thing.
	We can also hear, I was really drowning.
	Oh.
	So, I don't know if I'm just wanting to put that together with that drowning voice or not.
	But swimming doesn't sound like drowning.
	No it doesn't.
	No, but just listen to it and see which one you hear.
	No problem, here we go.
	Alright, testing one, two, we've got it going again.
	Easy, I got swimming.
	I got swimming.
	I didn't hear... I mean, drowning is so specifically different.
	So completely different.
	We've had people say that they hear drowning instead of swimming.
	We hear the swimming.
	I hear swimming.
	Clearly.
	One more time.
	Listen very carefully.
	And here's what I would recommend you do as you listen to it this time, folks.
	Try to actually assign drowning.
	That's what I did.
	I tried to set up, I'm going to hear drowning.
	In my head.
	I didn't.
	I heard swimming.
	Here we go.
	Alright, testing.
	One, two, we've got it going again.
	I couldn't make drowning work.
	I can't either.
	Okay, so I was really swimming.
	And again, a child.
	The whole child thing is just not satisfactory in any way at all, is it?
	No, it is not.
	And the only rational explanation that I can come up with is maybe they are able to put themselves back as they were when they were a child and so the voice, however it gets implanted on A tape or a digital, whatever, recording.
	If they are recalling themselves as a child, the voice comes out as a child.
	That's the only thing that I can explain.
	Otherwise, it's a child.
	Otherwise, it's a child, and it's just terribly... It's counterintuitive with regard to what else you believe about This place, wherever it is, and that is that whatever you were here, you are there.
	This would run in the face of that.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	Well, I think mainly just the personality, the way they act, I think is the same as how they were when they were alive.
	I mean, because... Okay, but that's not an adult suddenly becoming a child.
	That's not the same.
	Yeah, well, and that's true.
	I guess we're fighting against what we all know that people don't really want to believe.
	And you don't want to believe that this kind of place with bad people and a lot of children exists.
	Well, no, and that's definitely true.
	I mean, with the amount of children's voices that we've had and that we've recorded, I mean, you don't want to believe that.
	Good morning, everybody.
	It's really such a shame that some downloaded versions of the show don't include the music, because it is so important to the content of what we do.
	Ah, but that's the world we live in today.
	All right, my guests are the GIS, and the phones are lit up like a Christmas tree, so obviously you would like to speak to them.
	that's coming right up hey you two, a lot of people out there would say you two
	really are foraging in a very dangerous dimension
	Mmm.
	How would you respond to that?
	Well, you know, we've been doing this for almost eight years now, actually over eight years.
	And you're still there?
	Yeah.
	We've never, we've never had anything really negative happen.
	I mean, you know, the worst thing I can think of is Barbara had a bolt thrown at her and it wasn't even hard enough to hurt her.
	So.
	Uh huh.
	Alright, we've got two more we've got to do.
	A lot of people want to talk to you, so let's do them.
	Number 15.
	Okay, this one, the voice is going to be the very first thing you hear.
	It's a male voice and it sounds like it says, it's so cold.
	And then you will hear Brendan say, see I know Leanna was saying there was basins in some of the rooms and that was the only thing she could think of that would have water.
	Okay, um, but the voice from the other side is saying it's so cold.
	Yes.
	Here we go.
	It's so cold.
	So I know Leanna was saying that there was basins in some of the rooms and that's the only thing she could think of that would have water.
	It's so cold.
	It's so cold.
	That's certainly inspiring.
	It's so cold.
	Why did you choose to include Brendan's words after the EVP?
	I'm curious.
	You know, I think when you're doing this, it helps to get some kind of... Reference?
	Yeah, a context of what's going on.
	I mean, to play the voice by itself could be anything.
	I mean, it could really be anything.
	So, to include it with what's actually being said at the time, it makes more sense.
	Okay, now this one, I was actually downstairs in the Exchange Building, and I'm asking Roger, I say, hey Roger, can you hand me that flashlight?
	And then it sounds like a kid saying, you're so horrible, and then I say, thank you, because Roger just handed me the flashlight.
	Here we go.
	Hey Roger, can you hand me the flashlight?
	Thank you.
	So context really is important and in this context he certainly was not thanking the
	entity for that comment.
	Of course, if you didn't know the context, it would sound that way, wouldn't it?
	Hey Roger, can you hand me the flashlight?
	This is horrible.
	Thank you.
	This is horrible.
	This is horrible.
	You're so horrible I can't even...
	I think that was quite clear and, again, kind of on the negative side of things.
	Yeah, it's definitely a little bit negative.
	A little bit negative.
	Blood.
	Cold.
	Horrible.
	Yes.
	You'll notice a lot of these voices come in when nobody's talking or at the end or beginning of sentences.
	Things like that.
	And that certainly does not always happen.
	A lot of times, and it really upsets us when it happens, we have this great voice, great loud voice, that's talking right over us.
	And there's just, I mean, you can't use it.
	I can imagine.
	Yes, I can imagine there would be many instances of that.
	There's too many.
	There's way too many.
	And it really upsets us when we have this great voice, but it's just going right over us.
	But I understand that it would occur if the people involved were not in a contemporary conversation with you.
	That's true, yes, definitely.
	A big, big question that we've had.
	well how many how often do you get these what we call in radio doubles
	you know i a little part i would say
	probably fifty percent but see that i really goes then to the theory
	it's not a contemporary interaction but it's just a sort of a glimpse at to
	worlds and and you're catching little bits what's coming from another world
	and a half the time by your own admission it collides with something you're
	saying Exactly.
	And becomes unusable.
	And I think that's more into, like, a residual haunting kind of deal.
	Just something being played over and over.
	All right.
	A lot of people with questions.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with GIS.
	Good morning.
	Art?
	Yes.
	Hi, this is Ann from Springfield, Missouri, KWTO.
	Keep watching the Ozarks.
	There you go.
	Great show, Art.
	My question to your guest is, do you ever ask these earthbound entities the date of their birth?
	Oh, yes.
	Yes, we have.
	Do you ever get an answer?
	No, we have yet to get.
	Especially, you know, when we're in cemeteries and things like that, we ask When were you born?
	How old are you?
	Where are you buried?
	Is there anyone next to you?
	Do you have loved ones next to you?
	Things like that.
	I mean, we try to get as personal information as possible.
	Everybody knows when you're in a graveyard, you've got to get conversational with the ghosts.
	Thanks, Art.
	You're very welcome.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with GIS.
	Good morning.
	Yes, hello.
	Am I on?
	You are indeed.
	Okay, my name is Randall, Cincinnati, Ohio.
	Yes.
	When I was in government service, we used a piece of equipment for electronic surveillance, which, with a little fabrication, ended up being an ultrasonic sound detector.
	And I found this to be very fascinating, and when I retired, I now do pretty much the same thing as Mr. Cook.
	And you get some really outstanding results.
	Okay, you're saying what, sir, that you're using ultrasonics in order to help modulate whatever the sound is?
	Well, it's an ultrasonic sound detector.
	I wasn't the one that wired the circuit board, but I used it a lot, and I still have two of them on hand, and I use them quite frequently.
	And I was just wondering if anyone else is using this for paranormal investigations like I do.
	Brendan?
	It's worth checking into.
	Okay, hold on, caller.
	Brendan?
	Yeah, yeah.
	We don't do it.
	There are groups out there that are working with things like that.
	And it should be added, there are groups all over the world doing the same kind of thing.
	You two are, right?
	Oh, there are, yeah.
	And I mean, you know, there's some great groups out there that do some great work, especially in Germany.
	You've got, you know, the Atlantic Paranormal Society that does this sci-fi show.
	I mean, there's some really serious people out there.
	Oh, this is a very serious subject, and the audience should understand this is a worldwide phenomenon.
	Yes, it is very worldwide.
	Yes, and in Germany, do the Germans receive the bulk of their EVPs in German?
	Yes.
	They do.
	And so that goes on from country to country.
	In other words, people seem to geographically remain where they were.
	Where they were when they were alive, yes.
	What they're familiar with, basically.
	Got it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	Several years ago, I had talked to a late guest, Malachi Martin.
	Oh, yes.
	On your show.
	Yes, sir.
	Concerning an entity that had visited me.
	Yes.
	And he gave me a prayer to say.
	And at that time, the entity had left.
	But just recently, my granddaughter Had seen something that really freaked me out.
	And so you think it's back?
	I think so.
	All right.
	Well, you know, the two that we have on here, Barbara and Brendan, are not exorcists.
	They don't... Do you?
	You too?
	You don't?
	No.
	You don't read a place of some kind of spirit or something?
	No, we don't.
	Do you recommend... I did, of course, have the incredible Father Martin.
	Who did exorcism work?
	So there are people who do it, but they're few and far between.
	Do you ever recommend anybody to people?
	Not so much.
	If they're associated with a certain religion, you know, any kind of their religion, we tell them, you know, if it's something that bothers them to have their priest or minister, whoever, to come and You know, offer a blessing.
	All right.
	International Line, you're on the air with GIS.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	No, wait, I didn't push the button.
	Now you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, there I am.
	How are you doing?
	Yes, I'm fine.
	Greetings from Canada.
	This is Alan from Calgary.
	Yes, sir.
	A couple quick comments, and I'll get everything out really quickly, because I know you've got, like, a ton of people who want to call you guys.
	Fire away.
	First of all, what would you recommend for just, like, the home person who wants to try and catch anything in their house?
	Another thing is, I believe EVP7 from the Wickenhouse, it sounded like the little boy said, she didn't love me.
	And other than that, just thanks for the great show, Art, and thanks for discovering all this neat stuff with the EVPs, Brendan and Brenda.
	Yeah, you're very, very welcome.
	Well, the first, or the last, rather, was somewhat subjective.
	What about the first?
	Well, the first, You know, just a regular tape recorder would work fine.
	Even a lot of people, you know, have laptops.
	Just get even a cheap microphone and hook it into your laptop.
	I mean, if you're using Windows, it has a free sound recorder built in.
	Mac has a free sound recorder built in.
	Can I ask this?
	Does it have to have the mic hooked up?
	In other words, if you do, I don't know, several hours on a hard drive with absolutely nothing, not even a mic, Are you not going to get the EVPs?
	There have been cases where you get the EVP.
	We do the mics, I mean... How much rarer is it if you don't use a mic?
	Or how much more frequent is it if you do?
	I don't know which way to ask.
	It's very rare if you don't use a mic.
	Very rare without a mic.
	And it leads me to believe that it is some acoustic deal.
	And a lot of that is because you hear echoes in certain places.
	If we're in a mausoleum, you can actually hear the voice echo.
	I wonder if it could be that the sound that is produced is actually in the audible range, but that perhaps the entity can only get it, it's so weak that it can only get it right in front of that mic, or right involved in that mic somehow or another.
	Does that seem reasonable?
	Oh yeah, it's definitely a possibility.
	And that's why sometimes, every now and then, you actually audibly hear these, correct?
	That's correct.
	You don't expect to, but there are occasions that we do.
	Got it.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Brennan Cook and Barbara McBeth.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Am I on?
	Yes.
	I had two questions.
	Is it best to get these voices late at night?
	And what if we wanted to get a hold of one?
	If I went to a cemetery with a relative, is there a way Or is it possible to contact that individual person?
	Alright, both really good questions.
	First, is it better somehow late into the night?
	And if so, for what reason?
	Or if not, why?
	You can record any time of the day.
	It doesn't matter if it's in the day or the night.
	The only reason we go out at night is because there is less noise going on around you.
	And we want to use our infrared.
	And to answer the second question, it is certainly possible to contact your relatives, friends, things like that.
	It happens all the time.
	Maybe if Uncle Joe was kind of a rotten, disturbed guy, you're more likely to be able to talk to him, huh?
	I don't know.
	Maybe if he was in prison.
	Sorry.
	I mean, it's a reasonable observation made on a lot of the recent materials.
	It is.
	It is, definitely.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with the GIS.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Thanks for taking my call, Art.
	My name's Skerrick in State College, PA, listening on WRC 1390.
	Yes, sir.
	I have a question.
	Well, first of all, thanks for the dose of reality, and it's nice to hear A little negativism at nighttime, huh?
	It is what it is, you know.
	I'm not going to sit here and wrap it in something it isn't.
	The theosophists and Gnostics say that when we die, there are two parts of the spiritual being, the spirit and the soul.
	The spirit goes on to be reincarnated, whereas the soul is part of the mind and is shed and left behind.
	And have you looked into that belief system to see what that says?
	Because it seems to me that's what you're recording.
	And we have.
	I mean, we have definitely heard of that.
	And it would go to show, I mean, as we said before, the personality survives.
	So the way you acted, it continues when you pass on.
	And that would certainly make sense with what you're saying.
	What they're saying, though, is that the personality is actually left behind.
	Yes, but memories and personality are sort of left behind and go into this new, well, maybe not the personality per se, but the mind, the memories are left behind.
	Exactly.
	The memories are really what makes up your personality.
	That's a true statement, isn't it?
	Your memories are your personality.
	That's correct.
	Yes.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the GIS.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	You're on the air, sir.
	How are you doing, Art?
	I'm doing all right.
	What is your question?
	My name is Jack, and I'm from Northeast Alabama.
	Uh-huh.
	And your question?
	I more or less have a little story I'd like to share with your guests.
	We're very short on time, so it's going to have to be a fast one.
	Okay.
	I work as a security guard, and about three years ago, I was working at a state registrar in the state of Alabama, and the gentleman that was working with me that night, we had a man to walk in the front door of the registrar, and the gentleman that was working with me, being polite as we're supposed to be, just generally asked the gentleman how he was doing.
	If I may quote the man that made this statement, he looked at the both of us and said it was hot as hell in Utah this morning.
	Well, I suppose some EVP is delivered by what appear to be, I don't know, visual manifestations and that's what you get on camera, right?
	Yes, definitely.
	How frequently does a visual manifestation accompany an EVP?
	Very rare.
	It's extremely rare to capture both at the same time.
	Not even 10%.
	Is it your view it takes more energy to produce both?
	Is it all a matter of energy, do you think?
	Yes, I believe certainly it's the amount of energy that they can produce.
	Alright, have you taken on-site magnetometers, that sort of thing that would show electromagnetic energy being produced?
	Oh yeah, I mean we do take, you know, EMF detectors, thermal scanners.
	Okay, what have you been able to correlate, if anything, with the EVP?
	We have been able to correlate EMF with EVP, and especially if you go to our website and look at the Gold Hill Hotel investigation in Virginia City, We actually kind of go into that and we give an example of, you know, getting an EMF reading with an actual very loud, I think, EVP.
	Well, as always with you two, it's a pleasure to have you on the air.
	It's always a little disturbing to have you on the air, and I don't see how you two sleep well at night.
	I sleep real good.
	Do you now?
	Well, the nature of what we've been hearing tonight wouldn't cause me to sleep well at all if I had to give it a whole lot of thought.
	So, kind of like a cop who has to forget a lot of bad things that happened to him during the day, I'm going to say goodbye to you two and try to forget some of what I've heard tonight.
	Listen, thank you both for being here and we will of course do it again.
	Have a good night.
	Take care everybody.
	It's been another grand weekend or weekend day for me and I will see you next Sunday and or at S Meter Whichever comes first.
	That's it for tonight.
	It's just an absolute blast to be here with you.

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