Brendan Cook and Barbara McBeath of the Ghost Investigators Society explore chilling EVPs from a Wiccan household—voices like "Christian tore her clothes" and "I'm a big freak"—and the Exchange Building, where tormented spirits whisper "he broke my neck." They dismiss traditional ghost theories, linking entities to unresolved emotions or ritual ignorance, with 80% of EVPs being childlike. Rare cases of non-mic sounds hint at weak energy echoes, while EMF spikes in places like Virginia’s Gold Hill Hotel suggest physical manifestations. Skepticism aside, their non-monetary research and tools like Spiracom tapes reveal unsettling patterns: spirits trapped between worlds, often violent or confused, with technology barely scratching the surface of communication. [Automatically generated summary]
This is a new guy who had decided he wanted to live with us.
And he was going to scream until we darn well came out and got him, which we did.
So now we have five.
And I, you know, and then a bird, five cats and a bird.
So I don't know what you do.
I have no idea what you do.
You can't.
You know, I know we're a soft touch and all that.
There's probably some sort of cat visible sign only out there that says suckers.
I'm sure they marked us, marked the house somehow, like the old bums did in the old days.
A soft touch here, feline heaven located with an arrow pointing this way.
I don't know.
So way of five now.
And that's the new Abbey.
Now, we also, of course, have a bird who has now matured into a mature whatever it is.
We don't know, but it loves it in there.
And if you let it out and fly around the room, it flies right back into its cage where it has toys and it plays and it loves it in there and lands on my wife's hair.
And we have so many animals.
I think Ramona says we've got barnyard babies.
That's what we've got, all right.
And, you know, animals are going to take a little bit of a piece of what we're going to do tonight.
Again, just with a couple of notes, I've made available a receiver.
Actually, Bob has made available a site where you can hear shortwave radio, and I think it's really, really cool.
So I want to direct as many of you as I can.
Now, only about 115 at a time can listen on the one site, the Perump receiver, but there are several other receivers there that can be tuned.
Receivers in, I think, up near Salt Lake and Ogden and Dallas, Texas, and Perump, Nevada.
So several receivers at one site where you can listen to shortwave.
It's really cool.
It's called smeter.net.
That's S-M-E-T-E-R.net.
So take a cruise over.
And by the way, on the front page of S-Meter.net this night is a high-resolution picture of my five-acre antenna farm.
That antenna I've talked to you about so many times, it's its own little boulder dam in a way.
It generates quite a bit of electricity.
And you can get a bit of a scale.
It's very hard and a picture to depict really how massive something is, but believe me, it's massive.
On the left, you'll see our guest house, and to the right, the blue and white house is the one we live in most of the time, but we've got a guest house there.
So that's what you'll see, and that's on the front page of SMeter.net.
And while we're on the subject of ham radio, from Gloria.
Hey, Art, I heard that ham operators were not invited to help with the Hurricane Katrina catastrophe.
Is this true?
I know that in general, communications among rescuers were in disarray.
And as a person who worked online to do what I can from afar to assist pet rescuers, it seems to everyone, it seems that everybody has been depending on high-tech cell phones, phone lines, and all that has let them down.
I know the pet rescue community could sure use some ham communicators.
It takes them hours to travel between rescue sites and temporary shelters, and communications is still difficult.
And I'd like to hear what you have to say about this.
I have a lot to say.
There were initial reports that jamming was going on.
Not true for the most part.
Of course, there can always be some incidental things going on, but there was no massive jamming going on in New Orleans.
There was massive lack of readiness.
In fact, here from ABC News, after surviving Hurricane Katrina's initial blow, the radio communication system for the New Orleans police and fire departments dissolved.
That's the radio, the radio, that's the word used by ABC.
It dissolved as its radio towers lost their backup power generators in the ensuing flood.
Some of the equipment could have been brought back up quickly, except that technicians were blocked from entering the submerged city for three days by state troopers who were themselves struggling with an overwhelmed radio system from a different manufacturer.
As a matter of fact, the only thing available was maybe a little bit of ham radio and a little bit of CB, but they would not let the ham operators in.
Now, with regard to what people thought was jamming, we've been getting a series of sun flares.
I'm sure this, I hope this has been covered on Coast to Coast.
Gigantic sun flares, an X17 followed by a bevy of X flares that made communications past a certain time in the evening on HF virtually impossible for short-medium range distances.
It was just impossible.
And I'm sure some interpreted that as jamming.
Indeed, it was not jamming, but just the ionosphere refusing to cooperate at a time of national emergency when A, the ham operators were not let in.
That hopefully has been resolved now.
I trust that it has.
But certainly in the early emergency hours, they were turned away, just as people trying to get out of New Orleans incredibly were turned away from entering other communities where they might have found at least, at the very least, dry ground, if not water and food and such.
In a moment, a word about the littlest ones, the smallest ones other than human babies caught up in the disaster in New Orleans, and that, of course, would be Animals, the animals.
God, the story about the animals, you're going to have to brace yourself for what I'm about to tell you.
The End Well, all right, the following is from a blog, and you know, you've got to be very careful.
Hello there.
You've got to be very careful about blogs because, well, I mean, they're like rumor mills.
So initially, I received this information from a blog.
It says dogs are being shot or wounded and left to die in St. Bernard Parish, New Orleans.
Please help.
Urgent.
Dogs being shot by officers in New Orleans, St. Bernard Parish.
And I went, oh, no.
And talked to some friends on ham radio, and we all got looking into this.
And, oh, yes.
I'm sorry to say it's apparently true.
Hopefully, it's isolated.
And this is going to be no comfort to those who have been evacuated.
The evacuees from New Orleans now scattered all over the country.
But it's so important.
This is something that I feel needs to go to the court of public opinion.
And so on the coast2coastam.com website right now, you'll see a little headline on the front page that says, Katrina's strays.
And then, unfortunately, a clickable item that says video report.
And so what was only on a blog, I'm sorry to say, is true.
And I warn you, that video is terribly graphic.
They are, in fact, shooting dogs, wounded ones perhaps being run over.
Oh, God, it's just, it's just.
I can't imagine being, first of all, evacuated and separated from my pet.
In our case, five pets.
I wouldn't let it happen.
I don't think I could leave.
I don't think I could leave my pets.
What about you, your dog, your cat, your bird, your whatever?
Could you leave that animal?
Well, maybe, you know, when the rubber hits the road, maybe you could.
Maybe your life and the life of your children takes precedence and you could leave.
But I don't know if I could do that.
I just, I don't think that I could.
Perhaps until that moment came, I wouldn't know.
But whatever the case may be, these people who did have to leave their pets, heartbroken, to imagine that this is what might be happening to them.
And in some cases, I mean, these were friendly dogs wagging their tails, and they were getting shot.
So I think that the reason the public has to know about this is to get it stopped.
This can't go on.
I know there's SPCA down there.
There's various organizations trying to get the animals out.
I've seen plenty of video.
I'm sure you have too.
But in the meantime, go, God, don't let this go on.
One could understand perhaps if they were in packs and becoming vicious, but boy, that isn't what I saw here.
And you're welcome to judge for yourself.
So you be careful.
You watch that video, but you be careful who sees it.
Don't allow children to see that.
Well, I think there's been plenty of dialogue among the, incidentally, the Atlantic right now, the Caribbean, is really churning them out.
We've got a couple of hurricanes, tropical slash tropical storms about to be hurricanes.
One of them looks like it's headed into the Gulf, not necessarily with a north turn planned yet, but it's going to go by the Keys where they now have hurricane warnings in the Florida Keys, and it will then proceed into the Gulf, and we'll have to see what happens then.
That's too scary to even contemplate.
There's going to be more of it.
Our world is changing.
Here's an interesting one from The Guardian in the UK.
So much of this has to come from Great Britain.
Headline, warming hits tipping point.
Siberia feels heat.
A frozen peat bog the size of France and Germany combined contains billions of tons of greenhouse gas and for the first time since the ice age, it has begun to melt.
A vast expanse of western Siberia is undergoing an unprecedented thaw that could dramatically increase the rate of global warming.
According to scientists, researchers who have recently returned from that region found an area of permafrost spanning rather a million square miles, the size of France and Germany combined, has started to melt for the first time since it formed 11,000 years ago.
That's an interesting amount of time at the end of the last ice age.
Now it melts.
The area that covers the entire subarctic region of western Siberia is the world's largest frozen peat bog, and scientists fear that as it thaws, it might release billions of tons of methane, a greenhouse gas, get this 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
It is a scenario climate scientists have feared since first identifying tipping points.
Those would be delicate thresholds where a slight rise in the Earth's temperature can cause a dramatic change in the environment that itself triggers a far greater increase in global temperatures.
And this from the Independent, a record loss of sea ice in the Arctic this summer is convincing scientists that the northern hemisphere may have crossed the critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover.
Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase Of warming, which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice and has helped to keep our climate stable now for thousands of years.
Well, if that has kept it stable, imagine what we're looking at.
So, I think that Katrina and this other bevy of hurricanes now forming up in the Caribbean is just sort of a symptom of a much larger global event underway right now.
Not to say it's man's hand, not to say it's not, or what it is, or isn't.
It's just that it is going on, which is what I've been pleading for for years now, that I really don't care which it is, because it really in the end doesn't matter, does it?
It's happening, and we have to prepare to deal with it.
And by the way, with regard to Katrina, if you can boil it down to a single, simple lesson.
The whole Katrina disaster, to me, it is simple, relatively, complex as it was in detail.
The real lesson was simple.
It's you can only, everything falls apart.
Civilization is, if it was ever proven, it was proven in this case.
Civilization exists across a very, held by a very thin thread indeed.
And when it breaks down, you can't depend on local government, nor state government, nor federal government, or anybody else.
can only depend on yourself.
That's the great lesson of Katrina, that you can only depend on yourself to, so Because when it gets down to crunch time, you're it.
You are going to have to take care of your family.
You are going to have to take charge of your own life in some way, the best way you can.
Because there will not be help.
It's a hard, cruel thought, I know, but it's the truth.
So if there's any lesson you take away from all of this, please take that one away.
That you're going to have to depend on yourself.
Period.
And if help comes, fine.
But as likely as not, it won't.
Here's another one.
These are sort of little crumbs that I think little hints that you put together for a larger picture from CNN.com.
UN Antarctic zone hole nears record size.
Antarctic ozone hole, that would be.
From Geneva, the hole in the ozone layer above Antarctica has now grown to near record size this year, suggesting 20 years of pollution controls have thus far had little effect.
That's according to the UN, the United Nations, on Friday.
In a bulletin on the seasonal depletion of the ozone gas, which filters harmful ultraviolet radiation that can, of course, we know, cause skin cancer and cataracts, the UN's World Meteorological Organization, the WMO, said the whole, would peak within a couple of weeks.
It will probably not break any records, but it shows that ozone depletion is still going on and that the so-called ozone recovery has yet to be confirmed.
So there you have it.
The ozone, ladies and gentlemen, is still depleting despite the best efforts of man.
We thought we had that one under control, but the UN is saying, oh, no, you don't.
Few people objected.
Now, here's another one that was almost blog stuff, but this actually does come from a news service.
Few people objected when police began gathering firearms that they found in abandoned New Orleans homes to prevent them from falling into the hands of criminals.
But one gun policy expert says confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens who remain in the city is increasing the danger posed by criminals.
New Orleans Police Superintendent P. Edward Compass III explained September 9th that the impending mandatory evacuation of the city was truly mandatory this time and that residents had to leave for their own safety.
Individuals are at a risk of dying, he told the New York Times.
There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life, but many residents whose neighborhoods were undamaged by either Hurricane Katrina or the flooding just don't want to leave.
Most fear that looters will damage or destroy anything they can't steal.
And some of those citizens, as you can imagine, have armed themselves.
So it may well be that they're beginning to pick up some guns from houses they say that were abandoned.
Well, abandoned really is the wrong word to use, isn't it?
There was a mandatory evacuation.
The NRA, as you might imagine, just is not happy at all.
They said, in part, as was reported last week, in the wake of unspeakable crimes perpetrated by roving armed gangs and individuals, authorities in the New Orleans area seized legal firearms from lawful residents, effectively disarming the very citizenry they are sworn to protect.
On Monday, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRAILA Executive Director Chris Cox slammed New Orleans authorities for this incredible, their words, incredible action.
What we've seen in Louisiana, the breakdown of law and order, in the aftermath of disaster, is exactly, exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves.
That's a lumpier quote.
He said, for state, local, or federal government to disarm these good people in their own homes using the threat of imminent deadly force is unthinkable.
The NRA will not stand by while guns are confiscated from law-abiding people who are just trying to defend themselves, said Cox.
We're exploring every legal option available to protect the rights of the lawful people in New Orleans.
It sounded kind of like a firecracker, he told the radio station there on a Friday.
Within about five minutes, the carpet began to erupt.
Erupt!
Employees, unsure of the cause of the mysterious burning smell, telephoned firefighters, and they in turn evacuated the whole building.
There were several scorch marks on the carpet.
We could hear a crackling noise, a bit like a whip, both inside and outside the building.
So this guy incredible.
Firefighters cut electricity to the building, thinking the burns might have been caused by some kind of power surge or something.
But no, Kluwer, after leaving the building, discovered he had scorched a piece of plastic on the roof of his own car, returned to seek help from the firefighters.
Quote, we tested his clothes with a static electricity field meter and measured a current of 40,000 volts, voltage actually, which is one step shy of spontaneous combustion, a situation where his clothes would have simply self-ignited, said Barton.
So there you have it.
Back in a moment with you.
Just one more quick note on the smeter.net site, and that is...
I don't understand that at all.
Shouldn't be doing that.
At any rate, one quick note on the S-Meter site, and that is we tape for about eight hours.
We record is the proper word for about eight hours when my friends and I are on at night, usually from about eight at night to four in the morning.
And then that is then twice repeated during the day.
So if you go to the s-meter.net site and you cannot get in, then have heart and try it later in the day or some other part of the day, and you'll simply hear what went on the night before.
And it's pretty wild, uncensored, unscripted, and sometimes totally uncontrollable, but it's a lot of fun.
I was going to tell you a story about a couple of kids here in the Mobile Home Park I live in just outside of Knoxville, Tennessee, that drove almost 2,000 miles and got turned around and sent back home by the National Guard.
I would just recommend to people, you know, I'm a retired Marine and I do security now at night.
And my friend Bill, he's a New York City cop and he's down here in Florida with me also and he does security.
He agrees.
He kind of goes on the line that the weapons should be collected, but I told him I got to disagree.
You know, it's part of, like you said, our Second Amendment, the right to bear arms and protect ourselves.
I would have to say to people that, you know, if you're going to have a weapon, after seeing what happened there, what you're going to need to do is get some type of small carbine rifle, something that'll break down.
You should have a pack.
You should have MREs, a gas mask.
Believe it or not, I have plans on getting my whole family NBC suits.
I don't want to sound like, you know, I forget the word I'm looking for, but I'm some kind of military fanatic or something that I'm worried about Doomsday or something like that.
But I'm going to be ready for anything.
And Louisiana was a fine example of why we should be getting ready.
And it was a precise example of exactly what I said, that you have only yourself to really depend on.
And to whatever degree you can prepare, darn it, do it.
And that means all the usual things, some potable water, a radio of some sort with batteries, flashlights, if possible, a generator.
Whatever you can muster up for an emergency situation, and they vary around the country, from earthquakes to tornadoes to hurricanes to man-made, man-orchestrated disasters, there is inevitably going to be one.
And so if you take any lesson from New Orleans, take that one.
Be as prepared as you're able because you have only you to really depend on.
Actually, not so much that I mentioned it, but we had a string of callers who began to observe that indeed the sun was not or didn't have as much yellow content in it as they could remember.
Now, that could be due, I suppose, to a lot of things, but an awful lot of people did observe that, that it seemed whiter than it had been.
unidentified
Well, just go out and look at the full moon now.
It's sure a hell of a lot brighter than it was in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
I mean, that's one thing a lot of people are noticing when they're out of the city, the full moons, they comment.
You know, hey, look at the full moon.
It's brighter.
So we've got some solar energy that's coming down.
Wouldn't you think that this also adds a boost to whatever we decide we want to believe or focus on?
It sort of gives us that extra solar boost for either good or bad.
I worry more that, thank you, if there has been a change in solar output, which is measured frequently.
By the way, the satellite that measures that about a million miles out is having some difficulty right now as a result, I believe, of the latest large flares from the sun.
And so they've got what they describe as a voltage problem.
And so one of the sites where you would normally see the sun from a satellite out there, it's simply not available right now.
And one of the things that had happened there got reports that there was a number of stations that were actually physically, the antennas were removed by FEMA, and they were told to leave the area.
Well, I did hear a couple of reports, sir, of FEMA coming in and commandeering towers.
In other words, taking the antenna that was on and off and putting FEMA antennas up.
And every ham operator, I think, understands or should understand that in an emergency of that kind, the federal authorities can come in and commandeer your equipment.
I think most of us understand that.
unidentified
Yeah, that's standard procedure.
I got 29 years working with the Motorola Group out of Banton Rouge.
I got laid off about three years ago.
I drive a truck now, so I listen to you quite often.
Just after she passed away, I went to see a psychic.
And the young, and what this, she was a shaman.
I mean, she was an old black lady.
She worked for the probation department.
She never had a job as a psychic.
She just basically had the gift.
And she was able to have people come in and on the side and just sort of make predictions.
Well, for years and years, ever since I was growing up, I used to give my grandmother teddy bears for Christmas.
Every Christmas, she'd get a teddy bear.
I think you know where this is going.
I sat down with this lady, and I was just grief-stricken.
I sat down, and the first thing I did when I sat down, she said, don't say anything.
That's how I knew she was sort of telling the truth.
I said nothing to her, and she just started writing down on a piece of paper, and just started writing and writing.
She had about a page and a half, and the first thing she started reading off from that piece of paper was, your grandmother thanks you for the teddy bear.
I think there's no question there are people with that gift.
And there are a lot of fakes out there, a lot of charlatans, but there are people with the real gift.
unidentified
Well, this gift goes on because about three years later, my mother passed away.
And I sat down with this lady, and my family is Dead Assembly of God Evangelist Christians.
And it's like church for six hours on Sunday and so forth.
And I've never been a religious man, but I've always been a spiritual man, if you know what I'm saying.
So, I mean, I've always not necessarily fought my mother on this, but we sort of kept our respectful distances from that.
And when she passed away, I went to see the psychic again.
It just seems I see her when I'm grief-stricken, but she does help through grief.
I mean, there's a way when you go through grief, heart, I just believe that when you connect spiritually somehow, whether it takes a medium or whatever, I mean, that does help with grief.
I think that mediums and people do help with grief, whether their information is really derived in the manner that they're suggesting it is or not.
And again, I think there really are gifted people in this area, and then a lot of charlatans.
And by the way, I hope you like the TV show Medium.
I love it.
I must say the awards did go quite well this year.
Just about every show that we love seems to have been awarded, and that includes Medium.
Congratulations, Patricia.
Actually, I would say my favorite shows in order would be House and Medium and Boston Legal and Lost.
And they all came.
That's Ramona.
She loves Lost.
But I'm telling you right now, look for a show called House if you haven't found it yet, and Medium and Boston Legal, and of course Lost if you so desire.
They're all absolutely superlative shows, and they all walked away with awards.
I mean, it's a very serious problem, as you obviously are well aware.
You just, I mean, what can you do?
unidentified
You can't, especially when you love them.
And they're not wild animals.
They're, you know, tame animals.
Like, I have raccoons out there.
I feed raccoons every night, and I go out.
There's like 15 raccoons that come around.
I give them dog food and what have you, and you feel sorry for them.
There's one out there that has a poor guy, he's having trouble breathing, and his tongue is hanging out, and there's really nothing you can do about that.
But I've had strays that I've had to take to the vet and have put to sleep that have been attacked by animals out there.
A wild dog's got a hold of a cat, and I had to take it in.
And there's nothing you can do about it except give your heart out, your money out, and then do what you can for them.
Or try to get them fixed, put them back out again, you know, in areas where people feed them.
Is there something after this life, or is it just this life?
Is it what we have right now?
Well, I have searched years and years and years for the answer to that, and one of the very closest I've ever come to getting an answer is what you're about to hear.
And people ask me, well, why are you keep doing these kinds of shows?
Well, because they're important, because they go to this question, is there something after we're gone?
that basic, incredible question of our own mortality and whether we can expect anything afterwards or not.
This will...
It goes all the way back to the guy who invented the phone.
He thought so.
Some of the best early scientists in our technical history thought that we could communicate with the dead.
The dead could communicate with the living.
Today we have Slightly more modern methods.
We have Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
Now, what these two, actually five people do, it's a total of five that are in this closed organization.
And because of the history of EVP electronic voice phenomena, it's rich history, and it is a very rich history.
I've tried to find a hole in what they do.
I can't find it.
They don't take money.
They don't write books.
There's absolutely nothing in what they do that I can see contributes to personal gain in any way.
In fact, what they give is hours and hours and hours of their life to do all of this.
Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth are both members of the Ghost Investigators Society, the GIS.
The Ghost Investigators Society is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the investigation of ghosts.
Not only do they conduct investigations, but also instruct, assist, and educate anyone who believes that they may be experiencing ghostly phenomena or those who are just simply curious.
That'd be me.
In an effort to educate the public about ghosts, the GIS hopes the EVPs or electronic voice phenomena presented will help demonstrate that consciousness in fact does survive after the body dies and that these voices may help to give a different perspective about life, death, and ghosts.
And again, it's an organization of five people, and I've tried for years now to shoot holes in what they do, and I can't.
And because I can't, I think that it presents the best evidence that, in fact, there is something after this life.
And if you listen tonight and listen carefully, I think you'll come to the same conclusion.
Some of what you're going to hear tonight, maybe it is for me, kind of scary in some ways, but it is evidence that requires some kind of verdict coming right up.
The End And now, the GIS, represented this evening by Brendan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
Before we begin, a number of questions, some of them no doubt seeming repetitive to you, but I think it is very, very important that the audience understand what they're about to hear.
Assuming that new people are tuning in tonight, they always do.
Electronic voice phenomena was first discovered when?
What is it in Edison's work, I wonder, that caused him to suddenly believe that the communication device he was developing could do a whole lot more than just talk to Aunt Sally or somebody on the other side.
That there could be something as fantastic as this going on.
You know, I think he believed, well, first of all, I do believe he had some sort of an experience with, I guess you would say, ghosts through electronic means.
That he heard some voice, and at that time, there would not have been radio stations close by.
There could have been a possibility of leaking through or anything of that nature.
It was so early in the development of the technology that something obviously happened because he was an inventor.
The man had a scientific mind.
How could he begin to believe that he was hearing voices of the dead, that we could communicate with the dead?
And then on forward in history to the work of George Meeks and people like that, it's just been going on virtually since electronic devices for communicating the voice, however it is, have existed.
Ever since then, they thought you could talk to the dead.
I think it was you, perhaps, that thought, or Barbara, that, and of course you early on did it with tape recorders and blank tapes and absolute new tapes and you had all kinds of safety things so that there couldn't be a leak through from something recorded earlier on the tape.
And then you progressed on to more to digital forms of recording.
And did you lose anything when you did that?
Did you lose any percentage, do you think, of the voices that you would have captured on tape?
Well, and that's a good question because originally, you know, and this is why we used tapes for so long, is we did think this was being imprinted on magnetic tape.
You know, somehow this was being done through EMF or whatnot.
But when you get into stuff like what we've been doing with digital recorders, and to give you an example, let's talk about the drowning EVP that we did the last time.
No, no, but what is interesting is we did, you know, obviously after we heard that, we definitely went back to the location, did a few more investigations, tried to get the boy to talk to us again.
And you will actually hear, it sounds like the same boy in a clip later tonight from that same location.
Okay, we've always talked about people with the EVP.
And I've got a question.
Corey from Minneapolis emailed me and said, Ayart, I'm not sure whether you take, well, of course I take questions from my guest, but he wants to know whether you all have ever picked up the sound of an animal or any animal sounds at all, or what you thought were animal sounds, from the other side.
Yes, we've picked up growling, which sounded like an animal growl, but although it could have been a person growling, you know, I mean, a ghost voice growling.
We've also picked up a snarling that sounded like a large mountain lion or a cougar or something like that.
Now, I can understand that for the purposes, you know, of doing a radio show like this, for example, you would not necessarily bring those sounds forth.
But you know what?
If you've got some of them, the next time you're on, I would actually appreciate it if you'd include a few of those.
And, you know, I am glad you brought up, you know, the purposes of doing a radio show and the EVP that we play, because you do notice that the EVP that we've played on your show has been, for the most part, fairly loud.
And, you know, you may not be able to understand what's being said, but you can hear there's a voice there.
And it's not always that way.
The majority of the time, the EVP we get is very low and very staticky and whispery almost in the background.
You certainly could not play it on the radio.
And we don't want people to think that, you know, this is how EVP sounds all the time, because it doesn't always sound like this.
Now, we've talked many times about people proving this to themselves.
I can understand people are in doubt.
So I've had people email me and say, all right, I'm going to give it a try.
I'm going to take a piece of equipment, I'm going to go to a location, and I'm going to try to get EVP.
And I'll tell you what, folks, more than eight out of ten times, I get another email saying, oh, my God, I thought this was so much baloney, but guess what?
And then inevitably, they either describe or include a sound file with an EVP they picked up, and they become believers.
You know, I have always believed in ghosts, but I have never, you know, when I first heard about EVP, it just sounded nuts to me.
why would you go to a cemetery and talk to yourself until 1 o'clock in the morning and ask these questions and, you know, God forbid somebody walks by you and wonders what you're doing and, you know, calls the police and you end up in a straitjacket.
Well, no, I mean in having somebody call 911 or saying, you know, and saying something like, hey, listen, there's a couple of shadowy characters with some weird electronic stuff, and they're in the cemetery.
These are the kind of people we hear from on a regular basis here on Coast.
And they call because they've had those experiences.
You're right.
EMT people, nurses, even doctors.
A lot of doctors have talked to me very privately.
Yes.
And so they all have them.
At any rate, what do you say to the audience about how this has affected you and your religious belief or lack of it, whatever it is you are, how has all of this affected you, either one of you or both?
People inevitably are going to say, what kind of equipment?
If you were to recommend to a beginner, somebody who's going to make their first sojourn to a cemetery or something, and there are a lot of them who will listen tonight and then be willing to give it a try because they want the answer to this ultimate question just like we all do.
Brennan, what would you recommend they have with them?
And so the audience knows, so from a simple tape recorder, which would be sufficient, what should a person's expectations be?
If they go out and they spend several hours, either one of you, and they come home and carefully listen to what they've got, what should their expectations be?
Are they going to have to go out once, twice, ten times, a hundred times to get something?
okay Barbara Macbeth and Brendan Cook go into really weird places, oh, God, into, you know, prisons and hospitals and graveyards, and they take recorders and they record the voices of people on the other side.
So now we're going to present to the public what are voices from the other side.
Now, sometimes these voices are responsive to what you say, indicating that there's awareness in the present, pretty strong fact, and sometimes they don't, as though you're just listening into somebody's party line conversation.
So instead of going into a Roman Catholic household or place of worship or some other mainstream Christian religion, you have now gone into the Wiccan world.
I could just tell that these people, I mean, they had an actual problem, that they didn't know what was going on and they were worried about it.
And, you know, just paraphrasing what they said in the email, it was one lady that lived there had been scratched repeatedly.
She said the day that they wrote the email was the last time that she was scratched, and it was really deep on the back of her neck.
Their Wiccan altar that they had, when they had gone outside to do some yard work, when they came back in, it had been torn apart and thrown all over the house.
There was also ash letter on the inside of their front door, on the back of the door, that they discovered when they were going to close the door for the day.
There was this huge letter on the door, and they left it on the door for us to see it.
I was trying to discern between a possible female voice and that of a child, sometimes difficult to do, but that sure seemed clearly a child, didn't it?
And you know what's nice is a lot of these EVPs that we're picking up off the laptop now have been, I think, some of the clearest that we have ever recorded.
Not so much the concept, but to actually believe in it.
And that's where we see a lot of this.
You know, we do lectures and things like that, and people say, you know, I've been told that this doesn't exist.
So what you're showing me is, and they almost start getting defensive with it because they have it set in their mind that this does not exist, and we're trying to challenge what they've believed for so long.
And I think that's really what bothers them.
But this whole thing goes back to what we initially said.
Okay, I was talking to the women in the house, and I was suggesting to them to go ahead and start keeping documentation: the times of day that an occurrence takes place, what the weather is like, and you will hear a woman say strange light.
If there is consciousness and continuation following what we have now, most Christians, well, why limit it to Christians?
The world's population, I think, has it in their mind that there is the traditional picture of the angel with wings bopping about from nice cloud to nice cloud.
There is the image of meeting with relatives who have passed on on the other side, loved ones, pets, all of that.
Or perhaps you believe there'll be 70 virgins on the other side.
I don't know.
It takes that range.
But many people believe many things.
The problem in the ointment, in the fly, in the ointment, is that what we're hearing tonight and what we always hear when we do EVPs, well, it just doesn't sound like somebody in the middle of 70 virgins or flying and flitting about from cloud to cloud or any of the rest of that.
It sounds, well, in some cases, scary.
Scary'd be the right word.
So it doesn't meet a lot of expectations of what the other side is like for a lot of people, you two.
And, you know, there's been times and locations that we've gone numerous times and we've recorded the same voice a couple of times and then all of a sudden the voice just disappears.
That person does not appear on our recorders anymore and we just don't hear it again.
Okay, now this one, this is also from the Wiccans house.
And I had just gone into the basement where the lady had said that she felt such an evil presence and she was being scratched and the door was blowing open and shut.
You know, some are very clear, and it's just you don't come to any other conclusion.
But there are some that are, I mean, if we say it, that's more than likely what you're going to hear because we've already trained your mind to hear that.
You know, I don't think it provides really as much contemporary information as the first hour did.
I mean, because obviously in the first hour you had Mueller from the other side, you know, giving a social security number and, you know, giving electronics info on how to fix the machine and all that.
Okay, you understand, don't you, the concept that Meeks worked with, the sort of white noise, and you'd have to study the circuitry, but he produced a noise that made it very easy for spirits on the other side of whatever to modulate this white noise or this noise that he created.
Well, just what I just said, there's never been what you would consider haunting activity associated with the Spiracom research and things like that.
Actually, I'm going to take that back.
I just thought of something.
When Meeks was doing this, Meeks and Bill O'Neill, the two researchers doing the Spiracom work, they actually did report that a book on one end of the laboratory had gone and floated from one end to the other.
She didn't put it down, but if you'll all listen closely to that, there's a kind of a kind of wavery aspect to the way the voice comes through, and it's very apparent in this one.
And there's been times we've actually heard that pop or a click, and I've gone, it's going to be interesting to see if a voice comes in right after this.
What's being suggested here, obviously, we've said this before, is that this place that we're tapped into, whatever you want to call it, is, in fact, some kind of middle area where people are still here on Earth.
Is there any time that you can attach to it?
I mean, have you had people that are from hundreds of years ago who still are not gone?
Would it bother you to do the kind of work that was being done at SpiritCom to be in an ongoing, full-time, would just absolutely rack your mind discussion with somebody on the other side?
You know, I'm not sure what it was that went on in the house because the house really was not that old.
I would say 20, 30 years, maybe at the most.
But I mean, this goes back to what we were saying with them being wicked.
And I think the things that they have dealt with and things that they have done and maybe opened up, and like Barbara said, I don't even really believe that this is a ghost, you know, like what we normally deal with.
This is somebody that's lived, died, had a body, everything.
It just, these voices strike me as different than things that we've recorded in the past.
Well, different as in, I mean, when you put it in the context with what these people have said has happened in the house and things that they've experienced.
I mean, we don't see that at the cases that we investigate.
We don't see people being scratched and physically hurt.
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In the meantime, Brendan Cook, Barbara Macbeth are here, and again, with respect to the nature of the things that we're hearing, some of them are quite frightening you two.
This is not a very appealing area where these people are, or it doesn't seem like it is.
It seems, at times to me, and maybe that's just negative old me, but it seems more negative than positive and scary than fun.
I mean, these two women were definitely afraid of where they were at.
And we could feel that as soon as we went into the house.
You know, I don't feel anything.
I'm definitely not a psychic or sensitive or whatever you call it.
But when we walked into the house, I mean, it just, it didn't feel good.
I mean, you knew something bad was going on there.
So, I mean, I almost felt bad for them in a way because they, like Barbara said, they didn't know what they were getting into, and now they're stuck dealing with it.
Well, I asked them if they do incantations and rituals, and they do.
So they had no idea that they believe that they are white witches, but they really don't have any kind of perception of the power that they're calling on.
You know, with that, like I was saying, this is just this place was such a negative place, and what was there was so negative.
And again, I think that this is all the same entity.
I really don't believe these are different beings.
I think this is the same one just kind of toying with us.
I mean, making us think there's all these different things going on when there's really just the one that's just doing nothing but tormenting these poor girls.
In all your years investigating ghosts and this sort of thing, how many times have you had and seen physical manifestations to the degree there is here scratches, doors marked, all that kind of thing, very physical manifestations?
Well, the first thing, and this is the thing that struck me right off, is the personality stays the same.
I mean, when the person dies and passes on, they don't become evil or wicked or anything like that.
If they were nice in life, they stay that way.
Just because your mother passes on for whatever reason she decides, oh, I'm going to stick around, it doesn't mean she's become evil and is trying to hurt you.
It's just it becomes scary because you don't understand what's going on.
But, I mean, the biggest thing is the personality.
It stays the same.
So if you were nice in life, you stay that way.
If you were mean and evil, then you stay that way when you pass on.
And I didn't mean to make a comparison between the two, but what I'm trying to say is there's a lot of people that get involved with it before they, like these two ladies, before they realize what they are getting involved with.
They are ignorant about the subject, about how to conduct themselves, anything.
I mean, they have no protection at all.
And they just go into it because all their friends are doing it.
Well, it depends on if they've continued doing what they were doing and have not taken other precautions as far as protecting themselves when they do this or even understanding really what they've been doing.
Well, you know, I mean, as far as I'm not familiar completely with the Wiccan religion, but I know there are, you know, spells that they do to protect themselves and things like that.
And, I mean, as far as we know, and from what they have told us, they weren't doing this.
They were just kind of jumping into it because it was neat.
Could that mean that the people in these negative places are, let's think about this, less likely to move on if goodness and truth and love of God and all these things cause you to move on than these people who are mostly negative, well, they haven't moved on yet.
But, you know, we've also found that emotion, I mean, whether it's happy, love, sadness, anything like that, just emotion by itself is enough, it seems, to keep people here.
You know, and we find this, we've theorized this with cemeteries.
Because why would a cemetery be haunted?
I mean, think about that.
Why would you stay around your body after you passed on?
And then you start thinking about, well, you know, all the family members that come to your grave every day and they're weeping for you and they're so, I mean, they're sad.
I mean, whether you watch movies or read books about this kind of thing, that is exactly the conclusion they seem to almost overwhelmingly come to, that love or attaching yourself, constantly thinking about that person in some way, keeps them here and doesn't let them move on.
when we come back, we'll go to this mental institution and we'll see what kind of, I don't know, what kind of vibes we get from that.
Once again, the Ghost Investigators Society, Brendan Cook, Barbara Macbeth, two of five members of the Society.
And remember, folks, they have a website if you want to hear more or you want to see more because they actually have pictures of ghosts up there, right, folks?
All right, now, wait, just before we do, Rob in Sacramento fastblasts me the following damn good question, too.
He says, if it's hell they're picking up in the EVPs, then why are they getting children, since children are ideally exempt from hell, being pure and innocent?
You know, look, I hate to come back to this, but the only explanation that's even possibly available to me at this point, and I know it sounds rude, is that you guys are faking this.
If you're not faking this stuff, then this is real, because I know you're careful.
I know you take care with the machines you use, the electronic devices you use, all the rest of it, but this is just too damn good.
I mean, with as much as we put into doing this and maintaining the website and putting these together, and if you look at our website, we have, I think, easily 200 samples of EVP by itself.
You see, and that's the problem because, I mean, you've got, well, you know, it might be very different 10 years from now as the technology develops where whole conversations can be taking place.
And see, what I was about to say is I just don't know if we as human beings where we're at right now are able to completely understand what's going on.
Now, this was obviously also in the Exchange building, and I'm actually trying to find a place to set the microphone for the laptop, and I'm just kind of talking to myself here.
You hear me say, I wonder if we can put that, and then I say, oh, no.
And then you hear a man say, my chest hurts.
What's interesting about this is this man sounds like the same man that you hear in the drowning clip.
All right, again, how much more likely are you, give me a number, how much more likely are you in a place like an insane asylum, a jail, a Wiccan house, to get EVPs than you are in a place of positive energy?
You know, again, it's looking at the negative, those who behaved poorly or those who were troubled or those who were criminals or those who were in some way just in big personal trouble.
On this next one, you will hear Brendan say, we're at the exchange building, and we're looking to see if there's any evidence of a water basin or anything like that.
These are all different ways to look at these sounds.
That one was not clear to me.
But again, there was more to it than just you hate me.
I don't know if that's right at all, but hey, I understand you guys have to assign something to them when you bring them to the table for the radio program.
So there you are.
Frequently after these shows, do you get a lot of emails with people saying, no, no, no, it said so-and-so.
I bet you, because I get a lot in Fast Blast here as we go along, people are saying, oh, no, no, no, here's what it said, and they got something completely different out of it.
I must say that most of the people sending me messages, whatever they think is being said, none of them are saying that's not a human voice and that it's not saying something because clearly it is.
And the only rational explanation that I can come up with is maybe they are able to put themselves back as they were when they were a child, and so the voice,
however it gets implanted on a tape or a digital, whatever, recording, if they are recalling themselves as a child, the voice comes out as a child.
It's really such a shame that the downloaded version, some downloaded versions of the show don't include the music because it is so important to the content of what we do.
But that's a world we live in today.
All right, my guests are the GIS, and the phones are lit up like a Christmas tree.
So obviously, you would like to speak to them.
That's coming right up.
Hey, you two, a lot of people out there would say you two really are foraging in a very dangerous dimension.
This one, the voice is going to be the very first thing you hear.
It's a male voice, and it sounds like it says it's so cold.
And then you will hear Brendan say, see, I know Liana was saying there was basins in some of the rooms, and that was the only thing she could think of that would have water.
See, that really goes then to the theory that it's not a contemporary interaction, but it's just a sort of a glimpse at two worlds, and you're catching little bits of what's coming from another world, and half the time, by your own admission, it collides with something you're saying and becomes unusable.
When I was in government service, we used a piece of equipment for electronic surveillance, which with a little fabrication ended up being an ultrasonic sound detector.
And I found this to be very fascinating.
And when I retired, I now do pretty much the same thing as Mr. Kirk.
If they're associated with a certain religion, any kind of their religion, we tell them if it's something that bothers them to have their priest or minister, whoever, to come and offer a blessing.
I wonder if it could be that the sound that is produced is actually in the audible range, but that perhaps the entity can only get it, it's so weak that it can only get it right in front of that mic or right involved in that mic somehow or another.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Brennan Cook and Barbara Macbeth.
Hi.
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Hello.
Hello?
Is it my aunt?
Yes.
I had two questions.
Is it best to get these voices late at night?
And what if we wanted to get a hold of one, if I went to a cemetery with a relative there, is there a way or is it possible to contact that individual person?
And especially if you go to our website and look at the Gold Hill Hotel investigation in Virginia City, we actually kind of go into that and we give an example of getting an EMF reading with an actual, very loud, I think, EVP.
Well, the nature of what we've been hearing tonight wouldn't cause me to sleep well at all if I had to give it a whole lot of thought.
So, kind of like a cop who has to forget a lot of bad things that happened to him during the day, I'm going to say goodbye to you two and try to forget some of what I've heard tonight.
Listen, thank you both for being here, and we will, of course, do it again.