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May 22, 2005 - Art Bell
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From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I'd like to bid you all good evening, good morning, good
afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, each and every one covered like a blanket by this program,
Coast to Coast AM, I'm Art Bell.
My honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
We will first look at the world news in a moment.
Bleak as it normally is.
Speaking of strange, tonight We live here in the desert.
Oh, by the way, tonight's webcam photograph is indeed of our desert.
We live out here in serious, serious desert.
Take a look.
A photograph was taken.
That's Ramona, of course.
That's my car with Ramona on the far side and our real desert in the background.
It was taken between Baker, California, and here, just a few miles away, actually.
I told you, we live out here in serious... That's where all this stuff happens.
Just over the hill there.
Area 51.
So let's look quickly at World News.
Laura Bush waded into the middle of Middle East tensions on Sunday during a chaotic visit to sacred religious sites where crowds and hecklers grew so rowdy that armed guards had to be called in to restrain them.
America's First Lady said what she witnessed showed that passions are running high among Palestinians and Israelis.
The United States, she said, will do what we can in this process.
She said, urging both sides to work for peace and probably thinking about getting back on the airplane.
This story.
The Florida, the missing girl, there's an eight-year-old found alive.
An eight-year-old, eight-year-old girl who had been sexually assaulted and then buried under rocks in a trash bin Was found alive Sunday by an officer searching a landfill, said authorities.
A teenager charged with attempted murder.
The girl had minor injuries.
Was taken to a hospital.
Hospital officials would not comment on her condition.
You know, one day something is going to come down and shake this world like it's never been shaken before.
And people who do this kind of thing are going to be lowered into J.C.' 's pit of boiling sewage.
U.S.
airstrikes and ground troops killed 12 insurgents who had attacked a coalition patrol in eastern Afghanistan's border region in the latest wave of fighting with Taliban-led rebels.
According to the U.S.
Military Sunday, the U.S.
called for Afghan human rights investigators to be allowed into Bagram, the main U.S.
base in Afghanistan, after New York Times Reported poorly trained U.S.
soldiers there had repeatedly abused prisoners.
The next story, and tonight's guest... I mean, baby, you talk about synchronicity.
As you know, tonight's guest, Dr. Roger Lear, is a heavyweight.
And when you listen to him, he's a surgeon, he's a podiatrist, And he's been studying UFOs, particularly down in Brazil for quite some time, and the next story could not be more synchronous had we tried.
and i assure you it have nothing to do with us but it's leading u f on news all around the world tonight
will get to it in a moment
it is with some uh...
i don't know anticipatory trepidation that i look forward to open lines coming
We are under a full moon.
It is beautiful out there here in the desert.
It's just unimaginably beautiful.
Outside temperature about 78 degrees right now.
Humidity probably down in the teens.
Low teens at that, and just spectacular in the desert.
Now, I note that Robert, looking at my webcam photograph this evening, Robert from Port Orchard, Washington, says, Hey Art, your beautiful wife is hiding behind a sweet ride.
I'd love to customize the paint job for you, 30 years experience and owner of Integrity Auto Body.
Your wife, however, needs no work at all.
Robert.
Robert, I wouldn't let you touch either one.
That thing is cherry.
I keep that thing in the garage most of the time.
We took a ride down to L.A.
in that thing.
Or did we fly?
It was fun.
I mean, every now and then, though we drive most of the time around in our little GeoMetros putting around, every now and then you've got to get out there while we still have the gas.
And, you know, Find out what speed feels like, all right?
And the picture you see there, that kind of area affords you that opportunity.
Take your chances with the highway patrol.
They hate it.
All right, so there is synchronicity this night in what we're going to talk about, and the fact that we're having Dr. Liron, because as you know, he has specialized Investigated as no other, the big cases in Brazil, and there have been a bunch of them, and look at this.
Breaking news, it'll be number one on Whitley Strieber's hit list on his website, unknowncountry.com, but it's breaking now everywhere.
I'm getting, I don't know, zillions of email.
The headline is, Major UFO Breakthrough in Brazil.
The nation of Brazil.
The nation is going to relax its policy of UFO secrecy.
It is, then, first among a number of countries known to be considering the idea of completely abandoning the secrecy mandate that's been in place now worldwide since the phenomena first began to be publicly known 50 years ago.
A.J.
Gravard of the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers reports that a number of important files have just been released, including a folder containing documents from 1977 that covered dozens of cases of UFOs in the Amazon, with over 100 pictures made during Operation Saucer, an official Brazilian military investigation that was carried out between September and December of
77.
This change in policy means that one of the countries with the most extensive amount of UFO activity is now going to share its previously secret knowledge with everybody.
So that, honestly, is big news.
You can read about it at unknowncountry.com.
I'm sure we'll get a link up on coasttocoastam.com if we don't already have one.
Big breaking story.
Brazil is going to end the secrecy, and they're a big country to do so.
Now, as you know, Mexico has been leaning toward relaxing it, but Brazil, surprisingly, I might add, took the step ahead of Mexico.
Therefore, tonight's guest is very, very relevant.
Dr. Lear, who investigated, and we'll tell you about what he investigated down in Brazil.
What an auspicious time for the government there to be dropping all the secrecy.
And I called Dr. Lear earlier tonight.
I said, hey, have you heard the news?
And I read it to him and he said, you know, that's not supposed to be out.
That was supposed to be a secret.
And I don't think he was going to even tell us about it tonight.
So he was kind of shocked the press had somehow gotten hold of this.
So that'll be, I don't know, definitely Synchronistic and headline-worthy tonight.
Reports that the Bush administration plans to adopt a new policy that would more explicitly spell out the military's commitment to placing offensive and defensive weapons in space are sparking an increased debate.
Proponents say such weapons are needed to protect U.S.
homeland And satellites in space are satellites that provide such crucial military and civilian services as targeting for weapons, global positioning data, and, of course, satellite and radio, TV.
Satellite, TV, and radio, that would be.
They also point out that space has been militarized for decades, and say today's military would be instantly brought to its knees if an enemy could interfere with or destroy satellites used by the Pentagon.
So there you have it.
America would be brought to its knees if those satellites could be killed.
So now, let's ask ourselves again, as we did last night.
Do you think the U.S.
has already militarized space?
How many of you out there?
Raise your hands.
Do you really think we're leaving those satellites, those all-important satellites, that if killed would bring us to our knees?
Are we leaving them unprotected?
I don't think so.
So I think We've already got plenty of weapons in space.
Some people think we have them here on the ground.
The headline is, South Natomas Home Covered with Sheet Metal.
Residents claim neighbors bombarding them with radiation.
A home in Sacramento's South Natomas neighborhood is surrounded by sheet metal.
And neighbors are calling it, well, downright an eyesore.
The D'Souza family lives in the home on Timberwood Court, and they claim the aluminum pieces are necessary to protect them from unknown neighbors who have been bombarding them with radio waves and making them sick.
It's a shield, they say, to protect against radiation because microwave radiation is reflected off of aluminum, so it's a protective measure, says resident Sarah D'Souza.
The D'Souza's say the bombardment began after the first anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks and that the radio waves have caused them health problems ranging from headaches to lupus.
They've got photographs and they've got all this sort of random tin all over their house.
Oh, and there's one more thing.
The U.S.
government doesn't want, uh, they say they don't want, they do want weapons in space, but they don't want billboards in space.
The Federal Aviation Administration proposed Thursday to amend its regulations as to ensure that it can enforce a law that prohibits obtrusive advertising in zero gravity.
Objects placed in orbit, if large enough, could be seen by people around the world for long periods of time, the FAA said currently.
The FAA lacks the authority to enforce the existing law, for example.
Outsized billboards deployed by a space company into low Earth orbit could appear as large as the moon and be seen without a telescope.
The FAA said big and bright advertisements just might hinder astronomers.
Large advertisements could destroy the darkness of the night sky, and I wonder how you would feel if you went out to observe the beautiful stars on a night like tonight, for example, and there went an advertisement for McDonald's, or Chicken McNuggets, or worse yet, a whole I shouldn't pick on McDonald's.
It doesn't matter.
Any Coca-Cola, you know, just whatever, constantly streaming across the night sky, blotting out the constellations, and causing you to be hungry for a burger or whatever.
In a moment, we will, as promised, begin taking calls for the balance of this hour, and then at the top of the hour, Dr. Roger Lear.
Now, to the phones we go.
First-time caller line, you are on the air.
Hello?
You're on the air.
This is your last chance.
Gonna say anything?
No?
Rockin' on then.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hey Art, how you doing tonight?
Very well, sir.
Thank you.
This is Stephen in West Central Georgia.
We've got some wonderful weather here also.
Yes.
And you know, you always bring up these things that pretty people don't always think about.
But I guarantee you, I would be shocked that our government did not Absolutely.
I exactly know what you mean.
And I've thought for quite a long time we have weapons in space.
How could we not?
Let's think about the strategic implication of all this for a second.
An ICBM on the ground, you've got to launch it, it's got to go near space anyway, and then come down on the enemy, and all that takes time.
If you had a weapon already in space, then there's no warning at all, baby.
You simply say go, it launches, enters the atmosphere, and without warning, cities disappear.
How could they not have that?
You kind of wonder if Reagan's Star Wars project wasn't really carried out at all.
You know what I mean?
I think that Star Wars is still underway.
And congratulations on your phone system.
It has improved a thousand percent.
In what manner?
I can hear you as clear as the bell on the phone.
It's not a low hum anymore.
Oh, I see.
That's right.
After we talked last, I believe it was you, I went to work on that immediately.
Well, sir.
And look here.
Is your book, The Art of Talk, still available?
The Art of Talk is now almost impossible to get.
The hardcore, the hard, hardcore, hard... Hardcore!
Well, yeah, it was hardcore.
And the hardcover version of that is really a collectible now.
Well, the last time I've seen it available was at Sea Crane.
It actually was pretty hardcore in a way.
I really... I guess I told everything about myself in that thing.
I would really like to get a couple copies to give away as gifts.
Well, I'd love to tell you it's available, but it is not.
I'm sorry to say.
It is now out of publication and rather hard to get.
And I did sign a few of them.
It was really a nice book.
The hardcover edition really was pretty spiffy.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
How are you doing?
Quite well, sir.
Yeah, first I wanted to say you had another special on Discovery Channel the other night about the UFOs and they're trying to still cover it up and saying it's a stealth bombers and all that they're hiding out in there.
So you're telling me it took the skeptics point of view?
Right that's what they're trying to say is all these lights that people are seeing in Arizona and all that is all just these stealth that they're getting out of there without And people are catching it and they're trying to blame it on the military.
Me thinks hogwash.
And another thing, if you don't mind me saying, I don't know if you or George the other night was saying something about dreams, dreaming something.
It was not me.
Okay, well can I say something about it?
Last night I had a dream that an apartment complex got hit You don't think that's a premonition?
and i went outside and look and the whole front of the apartment
was gone i mean it just blowed off of it like uh...
like the uh... oklahoma place was done at times you don't think that's
premonition that's what i was kind of wondering about because i told my
wife about it yes he says very strange
that she's had the same dream Now, see, at this point, I'd be packing my bags, putting them up for sale, whatever else.
If two is bad enough, if you have the dream.
But if your wife has the same dream... As a matter of fact, we live in the path of the airport.
Well, then, what are you still doing there?
Well, no place else to go, really.
I mean, we're probably about two miles from Metro Detroit Airport.
Do me a favor.
Send me an email, will you?
And give me your real name.
That way, I'll be able to identify the fact that your dream... I mean, you might not be around.
And the audience would want to know.
Yeah.
Send me an email with your name so I can check your list against casualty risk.
Well, I've got to get my computer going.
I'm having a hard time getting that thing online.
Oh, boy.
As soon as I do, I will send you an email because I'd love to be able to... You understand my reasoning, right?
Oh, yeah.
I'm maintaining that two people having the same dream is doomsday.
Something's up that we don't know about.
Yes.
And you will, at the very least, go down, you and your wife, as both having powers of premonition.
Right.
Posthumously honored.
Pardon me?
Honored after you're gone.
Oh, well, that would be appreciated.
At least somebody could honor me for something anyway.
Oh, well, alright, sir.
Uh, you send me that email and good luck with your computer.
I mean, uh, think about it.
Bad enough if you're in the path of an airport and you have a dream that your house is, you know, smashed by an airplane.
But then, your wife has the same, very same dream.
If you're not packing, then maybe you're not listening.
From the high desert in the middle of the night under a full moon.
A very full moon.
This is Coast to Coast.
And don't forget, top of the hour comes Dr. Roger Lear on the night of breaking news about Brazil ending all of the secrecy.
That's it, baby.
They're done.
Well, I dig a little dynamite on that old girl.
Oh, no.
Oh, no.
this is just the first parti this is just the first parti
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musical get your Good morning everybody.
If your blood isn't moving, just go out and look at the night sky.
That's one big full moon.
It's just about guaranteed entertainment.
We'll get right back in.
I wonder if any of you saw the Google map, the satellite map of Magnolia Park, Florida.
It showed what looked like a mothership hovering above 39th Street in the town.
I mean, it was quite remarkable, and it went around the internet.
I know some of you have seen it.
Nobody in that area reported anything, but the experts say it could have been perhaps no higher than 20,000 feet, and this thing was gigantic.
Absolutely gigantic.
So, was there something really there?
Was there something that the camera saw and the people didn't?
Or what?
Whatever it was, it certainly was weird.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
I'm calling from Arizona.
My name is Marie.
Yes.
You used to be in agony with your back.
What did you do to help yourself?
Well, it still comes and goes, hon.
It's not as bad as it was.
I take...
I take something called Celebrex, and I'm risking probably whatever they say I might be risking, but from my point of view, the quality of life one has with it beats the risk of, you know, whatever.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
All right.
For me, it worked very well.
I suppose everybody's body is different.
Of course, that's something you've got to get a, you know, got to go to a doctor and he's got to approve it for you.
But it did help my back.
A lot of people have asked me about that.
And that's a member of the COX-2 inhibitor group.
And there's some controversy about it right now.
But I'll tell you, without giving them a free ad, I guess it is in a way, what's not controversial is that it works.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi Art?
Yes?
I have an idea for a Gravity Buoyancy Generator.
A Gravity Buoyancy Generator.
Alright, the way this thing would work is it's a vertical chain.
Yeah.
And it's got pill-shaped cells for the links.
Like it would be hollow, probably metal, some heavy material that would be hollow where they would be buoyant on On one side of this chain you have a tank, or a reservoir, where the chain would pass through the bottom of it, have a seal at the bottom, and it would force the chain up on one side, and it has a shiv at the top and a shiv at the bottom.
I'm not clear on what's causing the lack of gravity and lifting something.
What is the power that is doing that?
Alright, buoyancy on one side of this chain is pushing up on the chain.
And it's the vertical chain, straight up and down.
Yes.
It's on shivs.
One side of it is in fluid and the other side of it would be out of fluid.
The fluid side is where the buoyancy is and it's pushing up on the chain.
Alright, but that's a force pushing up and so, in other words, you're not really defying gravity in any manner?
No, no.
This is actually something that I've talked to physicists about and They don't see why... None of them has wanted to work on it, but they don't see why it wouldn't work.
Well, I don't see why it wouldn't work either.
The question is... What are you proving when you've done it?
You're not proving that you've come up with something that will defy gravity, actually.
I'm not trying to defy gravity.
I'm trying to see... I don't have the... I don't have the finances to build this thing because it's all machine parts and everything.
And I don't have the...
Well, yes, that's quite true.
You might go to DARPA.
DARPA is frequently interested in that sort of weird thing.
They might go for it.
the Department of Energy and they basically said you have to prove it on paper before
they would give you any grants to build it.
Well yes, that's quite true.
You might go to DARPA.
DARPA is frequently interested in that sort of weird thing.
They might go for it.
Well, that's what I was basically trying to get on the air.
Try DARPA.
If it's possible, maybe somebody would do something with it.
I would flood with it.
Flood the station with calls trying to finance your gravity buoyancy generator.
Do you have a number for it?
Do I have a number for DARPA?
Yeah.
No.
I'm sure in Washington, if you call, you'll get them.
Good luck with it anyway, sir.
So he thought he'd float that by all of you and see if there are any gravity buoyancy generator investors lurking.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello?
Yes.
Yes, sir.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
This is Bill.
I'm in Sacramento, California, listening to you on XM.
Yes, sir.
I know you're a busy man, but Thursday's show with George was a pretty interesting one.
He had an inventor for the first 30 minutes or whatever it was.
And what had he invented?
Actually, his name was Woody, and he invented a personal flying machine.
It's, I guess, like a helicopter except without the tail rotor, with two spinning blades, one going opposite of the other.
Had Woody taken off yet?
Yes, he has, actually.
They're in production, and they're getting ready to start selling them for $47,000, I think is what it was.
And then the other one was he invented, I guess it would be an ultrasound speaker, where when he points this beam of light, it would turn like an entire wall into a speaker, or he could point it at a person, And that person would hear the sound, but the person next to him would not hear it.
So I just thought you might want to check that out on Streamlink.
It was a Thursday show.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
I'll make a point of it.
Thank you very much.
I've always been in favor of personal flying machines.
They have always, and I think they fascinate a lot of people.
And why shouldn't we have the freedom of the birds?
By now, you would think, 2005, we would have come up with something that would equate to a personal flying vehicle.
Now, of course, we have enough trouble with the paved roads as it is, but still and all, the freedom afforded by such a machine would be just incredible, wouldn't it?
I'm sure the death toll would be gigantic, but it might be worth a try.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, hello.
Hi.
Hi!
You know, I was calling, I just heard this guy talking about this gravity thing he had, but I had a question, and I actually called last week, that's all, and I didn't get on, but I wanted to talk to Art about the gravity hill phenomenon across the country.
I mean, I went to one of these the other day, and I don't understand why it works, and so I looked on the internet and I found some other places, you know, all around the country where they have the same phenomenon of where Your car pushes itself up a hill, or in this case, somebody told me a bottle would do it as well.
And I don't know what, you know, I don't have any idea what it's all about or how it happens.
Nor do I. Perhaps it is related to what happens out here near me in Death Valley.
Have you ever heard of the rocks that quite clearly roll themselves across, big rocks, roll themselves across the very bottom of Death Valley?
I haven't ever heard of that.
All by themselves.
They've got photographs of the rock trail.
I mean, it's not like anybody got out there and pushed them.
These babies go all by themselves.
Yeah, and it's very strange.
I mean, I've heard people say things like it could be a magnetic field, but I don't even really know what that means, to be honest with you, or how to find out why this happens.
Because it's happened... I've done this twice before.
Once as a teenager when I was living in Kansas.
And then I had forgotten about it until a few weeks ago when I did this out here where I live in San Bernardino as well.
And so it's just a very strange phenomenon to me.
Well, I've often wondered why somebody doesn't go camp out, you know, putting a video camera right on the rocks in Death Valley as an example.
And catching them moving.
They move in the middle of the night.
And the next morning, there's this big trail there.
Well, let's catch one of these babies rolling along.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Oh, hi.
This is Bill.
I'm calling from the Imperial Valley.
Not too far from you.
Welcome.
Hi.
I'm kind of a new listener here, but I caught your thing on... You are...
I'm not an enthusiast in it, but I had a friend of mine... You know what really makes you enthusiastic, sir?
What?
Seeing one of them.
Then you get very enthusiastic.
Yeah, but you know, the problem is, where do you go to see one?
You don't go somewhere to see one.
They come to see you.
And, you know, once it happens, you'll begin to get a lot of enthusiasm for what it is.
Well, don't get me wrong.
I mean, I grew up on the other side of the coin.
I grew up in what you want to call a haunted house.
So from the time I was born, that kind of stuff was normal for me.
I see.
UFO stuff, I never really got into.
But anyway, I knew this elderly man.
I used to collect the early wind-up cylinder machines and phonographs for Victor's, Columbia's, Edison's.
And around 1970, I'm out here in the middle of the desert wandering around here because I get better reception with the cell phones.
Uh, around 1970 I met this elderly man who dealt in these phonographs and stuff, and over the years we got to be really, you know, good friends and close friends.
I can hear you crunching across the desert.
Yeah, well the moon's out.
It's beautiful here.
It's quiet.
It's just the pin drop thing.
I can hear the little things crunching under your feet as you walk.
Isn't that nice?
I'm from New England originally.
I'm on an old ranch out here and there's no phone lines or anything.
So I have to use a cell phone.
But he was like an old historian.
He used to dabble in the antique.
He used to sell antique phonographs and stuff.
And we used to just talk about normal things most of our time together.
And then around 1987, I used to stop by a lot because his wife had gotten Alzheimer's, so I'd stop off and see if everything was alright.
And when I went in one day, he came down the stairs, and he was shaking his head, and he was all upset over something, and I couldn't figure out what his problem was, because I never saw him like that before.
And he kept saying, He just couldn't believe that they put that on TV last night.
And I didn't know what it was, and I kept saying, what do you mean, you know, upset over what, Jim, on TV?
And he said, did you see that television show last night, that mystery thing, and that was the one with Robert Stack?
Uh-huh.
And I said, yeah, which one on there?
Because, you know, they have a couple of them.
And he said the thing on flying saucers.
Well, I almost fell over backwards, because in all the years I knew him, he never brought anything like that up before.
And the bottom line, all of this, he saw something like what was on TV, I take it?
Well, no.
What happened was, I guess it was his brother or brother-in-law was in the Army.
And back in 1947, I think that's when it happened, this Roswell thing, His brother or brother-in-law, one of them, had come to him and told him they had found a crashed ship and some bodies out in the desert.
And I don't know how much more they talked about because he had to get back up there with his wife, but the one thing that he said was that his brother or brother-in-law had told him is, whatever you do, make sure that you don't mention this to anybody or you or your family will disappear.
And he told him this about the government coming in and taking him.
And Jim, all these years, since 1947, evidently, was so scared that he never told another person about this or said anything about it until he saw it on TV.
But you, on the other hand, are not afraid to call a nationwide talk show from crunching along in the desert until about now.
Well, you know, I just heard your show, and I'm sure that there's people out there that get into this an awful lot.
Oh, you can bet there are, sir.
Thank you very much.
And there are people who also make that very same claim.
That indeed, a saucer crashed, and its occupants and the saucer itself and whatever was left were all transported first to another part of Texas and then to Wright-Patt Air Force Base.
Where God only knows what was done with them.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Turn your radio off, please.
Yes.
Yes.
Good.
Now, let's see.
Mail there?
Yes.
Is this our mail?
Alright.
First of all, we're not allowed to put last names on the air, so I had to bleep that out.
Let's start all over again, just with your first name.
Larry.
Larry.
And you're calling from where?
Merkle, Texas.
Okay.
What's up?
What NASA's Breakthrough Propulsion Program, what it's all about is develop the technology of wormholes to manipulate the gravitational force.
I participated in Mark Mills' Breakthrough Propulsion Program.
I have a website up on the internet that shows you how to do this.
It's called the Technology Egyptians used to build a pyramid.
Same thing that Ed was doing down at the Coral Castle.
Would you like my web address?
No, we can't give them out.
We're not allowed to give them out on the air.
If you want to send it to me privately, you're more than welcome to do that, and I'll check it out, and then we'll go from there, but too many times we have been fooled, to be honest with you, and websites given out have led to, well, things that youngsters ought not see, so we don't do it anymore.
We've checked him out.
Your address?
I'm Art Bell at Minespring.com or artbell at AOL.com.
Feel free to drop me a line and I'll investigate it.
Be happy to investigate it and go from there.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi Art, how are you?
Quite well.
This is Jerry Cole from Anchorage, Alaska.
Yes, Jerry.
I remember it was 2003 or 2004, you had a lady that was living at the top of a mountain in Phoenix where she had seen the underbelly of the Phoenix Lights.
Yes, of course.
Get a statement from her, official statement, that she actually saw the belly of this?
Oh, sir, they took official statements from all kinds of people in Phoenix.
It's not like it, and it wasn't just Phoenix either.
People keep calling it Phoenix Lights.
Actually, they traversed quite a bit of territory, and there were gazillions of witnesses.
I suddenly remember the interview, but she said it was two or three, maybe three football fields wide.
Is that a correct statement?
That kind of sounds about right.
Wow!
And this is leading up to the story that's going to be at the top of the air about UFOs?
Well, not exactly.
We're going to talk about what has happened in Brazil, and the synchronicity of what we're doing tonight is that Brazil, suddenly, today, announced they're going to just open up all their UFO files to the world.
Well, I'm looking forward to the show, sir.
Alright, take care.
And you know, it's worthwhile, because an awful lot has happened in South America, and the South Americans are not nearly so Uh, quiescent on the subject of UFOs, as are we.
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The device I made first is at Electric Spacecraft Journal.
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Where's what?
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The device is at the Electric Spacecraft Journal Workshop.
It is.
The article I sent him was entitled Electrolysis of Water by Electrostatic Impact.
Anyway, basically what you do is you break water into hydrogen and oxygen and produce power in the process.
Yes, I've heard that could be done.
And you're claiming what?
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It's a very tiny amount of power.
I know, but... You've got to demonstrate kilowatts and kilowatts of power.
However, I must say, even, listen to me, even a small amount of demonstrably essentially free power is a qualifying demonstration.
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when I think of UFOs in Brazil I automatically think of Dr. Roger Lear
matter of fact he just finished a book called UFO crash in Brazil and so
obvious and we've been told a lot here so obviously I think of Dr. Lear when the subject of Brazil
comes up and like like the biggest news you can imagine breaking over the UFO
community this We've got a story Entitled major UFO breakthrough in Brazil.
That's it.
The Brazilians are going to open their UFO files to the world and That's a pretty big story I mean, imagine if it were the U.S.
opening our files to the world, but Brazil, nevertheless, where there's been a hell of a lot of UFO activity, is just going to throw its files open.
They have chosen people in ufology in Brazil to make these documents available to, and these people have been allowed into some of the most secret government installations in Brazil to receive this information.
A pretty exciting story to be sure, so who better to have on tonight?
On the very day the story breaks, I called him up about it earlier, and Dr. Roger Lear.
Dr. Lear, author of Aliens and the Scalpel, has been said to be one of the world's most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of ufology.
He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged Alien abductees.
This resulted in the removal of 10 separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants.
These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious labs in the world.
Their findings have been baffling and some comparisons have been made to meteorite-like samples.
Dr. Lear anticipates performing more surgeries in the future.
And we'll investigate the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon.
He has also formed a non-profit organization for this purpose called ANS Research, Inc.
Here is Dr. Roger Lear.
Dr. Lear.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening, Doctor.
And, gee, your latest book, UFO Crash in Brazil, That's exactly what I said.
resonates with today's breaking news now you tell my culture couple hours few
hours before the show tonight and said who called what's breaking in the news
and you said well that wasn't supposed to be out that was supposed to be
secret or something right
that's exactly what i have and uh... the reason for that is that for him
months now i was pretty to the information of what was going on in
brazil You haven't been able to talk.
I haven't been able to talk about it.
Sworn to secrecy.
Why?
Why sworn to secrecy?
I mean, if Brazil is going to open its files to the world, why should that be secret?
Well, it's not that it's secret.
It's that what was going on was secret, because so many times As you well realize, Art, in the strange field of ufology, people make claims to various things.
That's true.
Predictions and so on, and it never happens.
That's true.
So, it was believed, you know, why upset the apple cart when these things were in the making, and it looks like things were going to pan out, but... Okay, I can buy that.
Yeah, I can buy that.
And you would keep it secret until... But here it is.
Any idea of how it leaked out?
Yes, I know the whole story via H.A.
Gevard, who is one of the leading ufological researchers in Brazil.
I've worked with him many times.
Hover, I've been down there, as you know, many times, and he's set things up for me to investigate various aspects of ufology in Brazil.
The individuals that were involved, also, I know them all.
They're all friends of mine.
Very sincere investigators who absolutely have nothing to gain from any of the work.
They're just very, very sincere.
The first thing that happened was that AJ, through UFO Magazine Brazil, started a campaign to get the secrecy away from the government and where it belongs to the people.
So, what he did was he started a petition drive through the magazine and got, I guess, thousands of signatures asking the government to release this information.
I know, but normally that results in a complete brick wall.
I mean, you can hand them millions of signatures and nothing happens.
Hold on, this is a good hook for everybody, but in this case, Well, we'll find out.
I wonder if the government was ready to do it anyway, and they just used this as a sort of a, I don't know, look-how-responsive-we-are kind of deal to let it happen at this moment, or if they really did have that effect.
I wonder.
I mean, it's really a good question.
Petition or not, if you delivered one to the U.S.
government, they'd laugh in your face.
Do you think the military was ready to do this anyway, and they just kind of took the opportunity to look responsive?
Well, Art, my life has gone from one synchronicity to another, so it's really hard to say.
But look at it this way.
How many rocks?
You have to throw at the beehive before the bees attack.
Well, sometimes only one.
That's right.
So, here, you know, they didn't have what we have here.
There's no Freedom of Information Act in Brazil.
They don't have the opportunity to go through a government institution and ask for information as we are guaranteed to have here.
Only to get it and have 90% of it blacked out with a black pen or now modernized white out, though they don't have that at all.
So they were seeking some similar opportunity.
Now, with that, you've got to remember that on my website years ago, I put up a document that was signed by Daniel Golden from NASA with agreement with the Brazilians.
And they were supposed to turn over any non-terrestrial material to us for further development.
And the Brazilians were guaranteed to share in the proceeds of the U.S.
investigation and development of those materials.
So we've got to remember that.
Then I have also documents as to how the government was supposed to handle UFOs, period, which were written way back in the 1960s.
They take all those factors, and then you ask the big question.
What's going on now?
Is it the government?
Or is it a branch of the government, like the Air Force?
I always remember Bob Dean's story about the fight that used to go on in Europe, when the UFOs went over Europe, and they couldn't find out a doggone thing from the government.
So the military got together, according to what Bob has to say, and did their own investigation.
Well, how do we know that the Air Force, in this case, is not pretty sick about not being told what's going on?
As a matter of fact, in a conversation that A.J.
had with one of the leading Air Force generals is where this all started in the first place.
He got a strange phone call.
He was absolutely bowled over, thought it was a joke or somebody was after him.
The General called and said that he would like to talk to him about the release of a certain amount of information.
Well, A.J.
couldn't believe what he was hearing.
Another conversation had told him that they were Literally kept in the dark.
I mean, they had the documents, they had all the reports, everything, and big investigations of three major UFO flaps in Brazil.
One in 1986, where there were literally thousands of UFOs and interactions occurring in one file alone.
There's over a hundred pictures, I understand.
So, AJ didn't know whether to believe it or not.
So, that's about the time when I began to hear about this information.
Yeah, I've heard about the 100 pictures.
Let me stop you there.
Do you have any sense of how important these photographs are, how detailed or how good they are, and what they are of?
Well, from what I've been able to understand as of late, they are wonderful.
You know, Air Force, Photos taken of objects at varying distances, at varying speeds.
There's documents indicating the radar sightings.
There are evidently also photos taken from jets.
But numerous jets were scrambled to chase these things.
You think they're clear, unambiguous photographs?
Well, I haven't seen them, but from what I heard, you don't have to be a scholar to recognize these as disks.
I guess another question is, this is pretty big news, do you think They really are releasing everything, or do you think they're doing a measured release and saying they're releasing everything?
A question like that always has to be asked.
Well, it's speculative, but I know of the three cases, the three flaps that they're releasing information on, and they are the three biggest ones.
...that were ever investigated by the Brazilian researchers.
That's almost like saying, well, let's take, you know, the crash at Roswell and the Trent photos and a couple other things, and we're going to release that to the public here in the U.S.
and tell everybody all about it.
So if you make that comparison, I think that, you know, these are three major things.
Clearly, it's not everything.
Certainly it's not everything, so then it is measured.
I would say at this point it's measured.
But here comes my pessimistic view.
We're all excited.
I mean, I am really excited.
I had a talk with Whitley today and explained a couple of things to him because he put it up on his Sure as hell isn't going to hurt your book, either, is it?
No.
Again, another synchronicity, because we had planned this before this news ever broke.
But here it is.
It's on the Internet.
It's all over the Internet.
You honestly think we're going to hear about this on CBS?
NBC, ABC, or by Bill Reilly?
You know, it's possible.
I mean, this is a pretty big story.
An entire nation decides to open UFO files.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty big story.
I think it's deserving of the nightly news.
Well, I certainly hope you're right.
No, I think so.
I mean, look, even if it's a sort of last kicker story, for the general public, a whole country like Brazil opening their files, no, that's a big story.
I think it's big.
I always thought that there was a possibility that some release of information could come out of Brazil, but I really expected that it would come out of a more renegade country like France.
Because I was over in France, they invited me to attend an SSE meeting over there.
And a strange thing happened there was that they almost canceled the meeting when they heard that I was going to be there.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Very, very strange stuff.
And then they wanted to know if I would appear at sort of a small secret meeting.
And I did.
And there was about 15 scientists there.
Interestingly enough, including one member of the French Space Administration and one member of the Department of the Interior.
Gee whiz, Doctor.
I'm recalling that not too many years ago, the French had this big committee of scientists who shocked the world by saying they believed that The evidence for UFOs justified a large government investigation, an official investigation, right?
Vis-a-vis the Comita report.
Yes.
So, I mean, why would they threaten to cancel a meeting just because you would show your face?
Well, it wasn't the government that threatened to cancel the meeting.
It was the S.S.E., because they considered me a heretic.
A heretical in what way?
Well, here I am talking about a subject on UFOs, and you're talking about the very famous worldwide academics who are talking about astrophysics and chemistry and all the little subjects, and here's a guy coming to talk about UFOs.
Well, you are a doctor, though.
That's true.
And you've done actual gathering of physical evidence by removing things from people.
Here's the strange thing.
When I speak about these things, my information doesn't come from me.
I didn't have dreams that I submitted these things to a laboratory.
These are reports that are coming from the scientists themselves.
So, maybe that's what they took into consideration, because the data, you know, the data is sort of overwhelming.
So they probably, a number of them, obviously, if they didn't want me there, they wouldn't have invited me or paid for my ticket.
Indeed.
I was also curious about a little something I read in there, that some of what you have removed, when examined, has been compared to meteorite material.
That's correct.
In what sense?
Well, some of the metallurgy looks like a meteorite.
A large amount of them contain iron, for example, and they contain nickel, and they contain other things that are found in meteorites.
But the perplexing thing that came forth out of the scientists who rendered this efficient opinion was that the nickel-iron ratio wasn't quite right.
I guess we should take the time and trouble to roll over what you know and have experienced in Brazil.
sent out are blind studies. Nobody's told where they come from. They could have fallen
off the back of a camel for all they know. I guess we should take the time and trouble
to roll over what you know and have experienced in Brazil.
I know it's a pretty good-sized story, but we should give people a sense of the magnitude
of the stories that are going to be broken open officially in Brazil.
And you can do that?
Yes, we can.
We're talking about, of course, the very famous Fortuna case of 1996.
And how this case today, in my opinion, and others also, represents something that's even more important than Roswell.
Now, my gosh, who am I to say anything like that?
Roswell is, you know, the United States phenomenon that we've all been talking about for many, many, many years.
Several reasons in comparison.
One, both involve the crash of what appears to be a non-terrestrial vehicle.
In the Roswell case, there's a lot of emphasis that's placed on the vehicle.
Where it crashed, how it crashed, did it crash alone or with two other vehicles?
One in Socorro and the other possibly in the plains of St.
Augustine.
A lot of emphasis placed on the crash, the material, the debris field, and all that sort of stuff.
That's right.
But in the Brazil case, there's not much emphasis placed on the crash.
Which occurred actually the night of January the 19th, 1996.
A farmer saw something that was coming down with smoke or vapor sort of coming out of one end of it and he looked at it and he saw that there was evidently a piece missing.
So he got quite curious, didn't know whether this was some Military thing, or whatever it was.
Well, if he could make a judgment that there was a piece missing, that means he saw enough detail of the craft to understand the symmetry of it and see some part of that missing, right?
Oh yes, absolutely.
It was a cylindrical craft, and as I said, he couldn't tell whether it was the front end or the back end, but from the direction it was going, it looked like it was the after end.
And it was releasing smoke, or vapor, or whatever you call it.
But it did fly around for a while until it finally impacted with the field.
And he watched the impact occur and there was a lot of debris also from this piece.
The largest piece left over was about the size of a Volkswagen bus.
But almost immediately, the Brazilian military, the army, It was there.
And they saw him on his truck, and they asked him quite strongly to leave.
Well, Brazilians, you know, for many, many years have had a different kind of government than we've had.
It's kind of a jack-booted-thug government they had up until the late 50s, when the Brazilian Civil War came about.
And so, he didn't react the way they told him.
He pulled around the corner.
All right.
Hold it.
Right.
Hold it right there.
And I pulled around the corner and watched.
All right.
So an incident as big or perhaps even bigger than Roswell unfolding in Brazil.
And already you're hearing the Brazilian military is stepping in tonight.
We're hearing the Brazilian military is ready to tell all my guests.
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Good morning, Dr. Roger Lear is here, just describing a disc that was on its way toward crashing, with an obvious piece missing out of it.
Farmer's season.
Military shows up, tells Farmer to go away.
farmer decides not to go away and watches and we'll pick it up at that point in a moment.
Doctor, last night I interviewed a...
A truck driver who had some lights following him, disagreeably, over his truck for quite a period of time, he finally got fed up with it, pulled his truck over at a stop, pulled out his 45, and pumped several slugs into these damn things that were just above his truck.
I advised him against shooting at UFOs.
However, you describe something coming down, smoke trailing it, with an apparent piece missing.
You don't suppose it was shot at, do you?
Oh, could that be a possibility?
I'm sorry if I gave the impression that this was a disc.
It wasn't a disc, it was a cylinder hole shaped craft.
That's fine.
So I thought we got that cleared up.
Yeah, a piece missing out of it, smoking, and then we find out from the Brazilian investigators later on.
That it was NORAD that notified the Brazilian military?
When this was coming down, and exactly where it was coming down.
Well, we know that NORAD can track things in space right down to the nuts and bolts that are loose and in orbit, so NORAD would be able to notify them that something like that was occurring.
That accounts for the Brazilian military being on hand.
Now, I'm sure their story, our story, NORAD's story, would be that it was re-entering space junk.
Space junk, exactly.
Space junk flying around, going here, going there, and finally crashing.
How did I guess?
Now, the recovery operation consisted of several military trucks, and they went to the area, saw the large piece, which I understand was about the size of a Volkswagen bus.
All of this now, according to the farmer who watched.
Right.
And what they did was they eventually brought in a crane because this thing was too heavy to lift up on the back of one of their trucks.
So once the large piece was removed, it was reported that they spread out about hand in hand and made their way across the field with metal detectors and garbage bags and picked everything up.
Through all the bags in the back of these trucks, and they went on their happy, merrily little way.
Now, it just so happens that this, as I said, was the night of February the 19th.
On February the 20th... Now, I have to say that one of the things I tried to do in the book was to eliminate the rumors from what was fact.
As obtained by the Brazilian researchers and directly from the witnesses.
In fact, I labeled a whole chapter in the book, rumors.
In other words, these were unsubstantiated things.
So what I'm going to talk about is only the things that we know, because of either very sincere investigation or eyewitness testimony.
So the following morning, At 8 o'clock in the morning, a Brazilian contingency was seen not too far from that area and engaged in a rather strange activity.
Officers from the intelligence service went down an embankment and captured a being Which was described by numerous people as being relatively short, between four and five feet tall, having a body that was brown-skinned, very oily, large red eyes.
My God, Doctor, you know, the witnesses that said all of this, Were they actually watching the military capture this being, or was this a description?
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
They were all watching.
We have people like carpenters who were up on a roof doing their work and turned around and saw they were attracted by the military and saw them go down the embankment.
We have people who were riding bicycles.
I mean, just people all over the place.
Oh, holy smokes.
All right, so If all of this is, is it your anticipation that all of this is going to be released in the documents the Brazilian government now promises to unleash on the world?
Well, so far I don't know if anything is being released on the Farginha case.
And that may be because there was definitely U.S.
military involvement with this case.
The ones that are solely involved with Brazil happening there, which the U.S.
didn't have much to do with, that might be the information that's released.
But we know so much.
About the Virginia case, now, there's really not much that the Brazilian government can release.
We probably know as much as they do.
Because I was going to say, if we get those kind of photographs, my God, it's all over.
Well, you've got to start somewhere, and we can only hope by the time that it's all done, if it all comes out, we're going to know everything that transpired for many, many years in Brazil.
Probably not too much different than what occurred in other places in the world.
Yeah, but I mean, if they actually released this, I mean, for example, photographs of the being, were they to release that, it's over.
So tell me the rest of the story.
I mean, the Army captures this being, and describe it again, please.
Less than five feet tall, brown in color, very smooth skin, Kind of oily, large head, big red eyes, kind of upturned at the end, no hair, and three little protuberances on the top of the head going from the front to the back, one on each side, one in the middle.
Beings evidently didn't make any noise as far as we know, but there were some individuals who said that they heard a sound like a buzzing sound.
We've got two different types of testimony in reference to whether they made any sound.
Now, that occurred on January 20th at 8 o'clock in the morning.
Now, around 8 p.m., two military intelligence service officers captured another creature that was trying to cross the street.
And this creature was injured, and we talked about him on the last show.
Yes.
We'll go over briefly that again.
Please.
But in the middle, between 8 a.m., when the military contingent captured a creature going down in the woods, and 8 a.m., 8 p.m., when the one was picked up crossing the street, three girls, young teenage girls, on their way home from work, Taking a shortcut, saw something kneeling by a concrete block wall.
And as they got closer to it, they thought it was a child.
And approaching it even closer, they got a better look.
And they saw, again, the creature that we previously described.
It was kneeling at this wall.
And when the first girl saw it, she thought she'd seen the devil.
Kneeling.
It was kneeling.
That's a kind of a submissive posture.
Really?
Definitely.
And when she saw it, as I said, she thought she'd seen the devil.
And she screamed and turned around and ran home.
Now the other girl was right on her heels, but she stayed a little bit longer.
She stayed long enough to see that the creature turned around, turned his head and looked at her.
Yes.
And that made her as terrified as the first ...young girl, and she turned around.
The third girl also looked at the creature, and so the three of them ran home.
Now, two of these were sisters, and one was a friend.
They informed the mother of what happened, and the mother, who didn't have an automobile, ran to the neighbors and got the neighbor to drive her back to the spot where the girls saw this being, and by that time, there was nothing there.
Now, interestingly enough, when I was there, I've got a good gauge of the distance between where the girls saw this creature kneeling and where the two military police officers picked up this creature trying to cross the street.
How much distance?
Not much.
In fact, I have some video footage and photos standing on the corner.
Where the police officers, the military intelligence officers, picked up this being.
And I could look up the street and see exactly the wall where the girl saw it.
So it was probably the same creature.
Didn't get too far.
Now some rumors have it that as many as 11 creatures were seen around Virginia at various times.
But for sure, What we know again from eyewitness testimony is that there were two.
Now, there was another episode that occurred a little bit later in the morning where again, a military contingent and the fire department came to the same area where the first creature was captured at 8 o'clock in the morning.
Yes.
And again, eyewitnesses watched both the fire department and the army From a base called Sergeant's Camp, which was not that far away, watch their activities.
Some report a little bit of an argument going on as to maybe whose province this was.
The fire department in Brazil is a branch of the military service.
It's not like what we have here.
Right.
And they're engaged in a number of different operations, which can be military and civilian.
They can capture a wild animal, put out a fire.
They can also rescue, air rescue or sea rescue floods and so on.
And yet they carry rifles and they are part of the military.
So here was two different branches of the military evidently having an argument with each other about something to do with the capture of one of these creatures.
Now, as I stood on this construction overhang, which now exists at the same spot, I was able to look down on the hill where all this took place.
And the military people had to climb over a fence and down a rather steep embankment.
And once they got to the bottom, there was a railroad track.
And they had to cross the railroad track, all this, mind you, continually going downhill.
Until he got to this little small field, and then adjoining the field was a wooded area.
Well, they chased this creature into the wooded area.
Now, at this point, witnesses say that two shots rang out.
And in a few minutes, two of the Brazilian Army representatives came out, each carrying a sack over his shoulder.
In one sack, there were movements, like something kicking.
The other sack, there was no movement whatsoever.
They struggled to carry the sacks and what they had with them, their gear, back up the hill.
It took them quite some time until they got there.
Then these sacks were emptied into two different boxes.
On the trucks, the trucks were covered with a canvas overlay, and off they went to a sergeant's camp.
Holy smokes!
So, not too nice a picture.
Now, the story of Varginha gets very, very complex, and we have to sort of take it apart each at a time.
Let's go first to the military intelligence officers.
Who captured the being that was trying to cross the street.
Yes.
Now, one of these police officers, a young man, Marco Eli Chavez, very healthy, young, Brazilian military person, went out from the car while his companion stayed in the car, and he put his arm Around this creature, but he wasn't wearing any protective gear.
He wasn't wearing any gloves.
And he assisted the creature into the car, got in, and set him on his lap.
Then, they drove off.
Set the creature?
Set the creature on the military officer's lap.
Now, this is all testimony from the officer involved?
Testimony from the officers, the other officer, eyewitnesses to the scene, Ubejara Rodriguez, who is a labor attorney in Brazil with his offices in Varginha, and also a 36-year investigator.
Has done a full case study.
I would think anybody who had an alien creature on their lap would be able to give an incredibly detailed description.
I'll bet he could, too.
The only thing is that within three weeks he was dead.
Dead?
Dead.
Of?
Dead of unknown causes until just recently.
Excuse me?
Oh, you mean the cause was just recently discovered?
That's correct.
One of the witnesses that I interviewed was the wife of the deceased military police officer, young man, Marco Eli Shirazi.
That healthy young officer.
Healthy young man.
Deceased.
The interview that I did with the wife was the most unusual interview that I have ever done with anyone.
Because she couldn't answer any of the questions that I asked her.
Absolutely none.
Like what?
What were the symptoms that your husband had before he was taken to the hospital?
She said, I don't know.
I said, did you visit your husband in the hospital?
Yes, but they wouldn't let me see him.
What kind of symptoms do you think he had when he was in the hospital?
I don't know.
And on and on and on and on.
Given the medical records?
No.
Were you given the cause of death?
No.
Were you given a death certificate?
No.
Do you receive any subsistence from the Brazilian military?
No.
Do you receive any subsistence at all from the Brazilian government?
No.
Do you have children?
Yes.
Then how do you exist?
I don't know.
Now, just from that alone, and standing there talking to this lady who was an interpreter, I mean, it didn't take too much.
You didn't have to be a rogue scholar to realize that this woman had been severely intimidated.
She was going to tell nothing.
In contrast, Marco's sister gave a pretty good report to a British television station And she described the symptoms of Marco Eli Shirazi in great detail.
And said what?
And said that he started complaints with an abscess under the armpit, he had a fever, finally he had trouble breathing, extreme pain in his back, and nobody seemed to know what was wrong with him.
Now that remained that way until August.
Last year, right before I almost finished the book, and I was able to get the report and include it almost in the last chapter of the book because an individual came forth, Dr. Cesario Lincoln Furtado, came forth and told how he was the doctor who was in charge of the treatment Did he talk to you, physician to physician?
No, I did not talk to him.
I was here, and AJ and Ubejar Rodriguez talked to him in Brazil, sent me all the data, you know, very exacting data that they got out of him, and I can give the whole chronology of what happened until this person died.
Is it a fair assumption that whatever the affliction was, it was precipitated by contact, that kind of contact?
I believe so, because the net result was he had a compromised immune system, and they couldn't find any bacteria.
They flooded him with antibiotics, but there was no bacteria that were ever found, so I think we're talking about biology.
The poor guy probably had viremia, and what I can put together from the symptoms... Doctor, hold it, hold it.
Nice hook location, actually.
So he had an alien on his lap, and then a previously healthy person begins to lose, or instantly loses his immune system.
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In the world of ufology, I very seriously doubt it gets any better than this on a night.
When Brazil is announcing it's going to throw its files open to the world, nearly the first country to have done so, and a big country where lots of action has gone on, we have Dr. Roger Lear, who's in the middle of telling us one of ufology's absolute best stories, in my opinion.
We've got this craft, obviously damaged, with a piece missing, to me indicating it probably was shot down by somebody, and I don't think Brazil would have been that somebody, notified by NORAD.
And then we've got creatures eyewitnessed by any number of people, and even more than that, actually held on a military man's lap.
And then all of a sudden he, of course, gets mortally sick, And dies?
Of what?
We, well, we just, uh, well, something to do with the immune system.
We don't know just yet.
So the wife of this military man knows nothing she's willing to share and the
doctor uh... does. The doctor...
The doctor apparently on the case from the very beginning, Dr. Lear, and right through it, or what?
Yes, Dr. Hurtado.
I'm going to give you several pieces of facts here.
Names are not that important.
It kind of helps to... If you know the names, I'd just as soon hear them.
Yeah, it's kind of like a building going up.
I mean, you know, the nails are necessary to the total sum of the building.
Yes.
So we have a Dr. Armando, who is a general surgeon, and the hospital he saw the patient in was Hospital Regional, which is a fairly good-sized hospital in downtown Virginia.
We have a Dr. Rene, who is a cardiologist, again, at the Hospital Regional.
We have a Dr. Cesario Lincoln-Furtado, who is the person I just mentioned, cardiologist.
He was at the Hospital Bom Pastor, which is not, again, that far away.
Then we have a Dr. Rogelio Urimos, an orthopedic surgeon, at the Hospital Bom Pastor, again.
And then we have Alberto Severo de Piva, Another orthopedic surgeon who is at Hospital Regionale.
So it's easy to see now.
Are you telling me all of these doctors had a hand in the case?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes, they all saw the patient at two different hospitals.
Okay.
So there's no way in the world that you can see that this gentleman didn't get the very best of care.
Now, here's the way it went.
On January 20, 1996, Officer Shiziri takes part in the capture of the creature.
Then after a few days, he develops a little tumor, similar to a fur uncle, you know, like a little boil.
And this appears in the armpit.
It becomes abscessed and it was drained.
This was done at the hospital Bombastor.
On February the 12th, he arrives at the hospital regionale.
And he's taken from there almost immediately to Hospital Bom Pastor with severe pains in his back.
There he was seen by the cardiologist, Dr. Rene.
Examinations were carried out and two antibiotics were prescribed and administered.
One was penicillin and the other was gentamicin.
Suspecting what?
Suspecting some kind of a urinary tract infection, which was going to supposedly produce the pain in his back.
Okay.
February the 13th, the following day, his health status diminishes and he continues to remain quite unstable.
On the 14th, the officer spends a day in the hospital all day long with a fever, severe pain in his back, some difficulty breathing.
They thought he had pneumonia and didn't understand why the antibiotics weren't taking effect.
February the 15th, he awakens.
He's tired, fatigued.
He feels generalized numbness.
And it begins to show some cyanosis, which is the skin changing color because of the lack of oxygen.
And this is most characterized as what we call a bacteremia.
That means that there's bacteria that's circulating in the blood and a possible septicemia.
Septicemia is different than a bacteremia because septicemia means that there are toxins Coming from somewhere that are circulating in his blood.
Got it.
So, he's transferred again now, back to ICU at Hospital Regionale, and there he was examined and there received some stabilizing medication.
Are they doing blood work trying to figure out what the toxins are?
Yes, they're doing blood work and you're getting the results back.
They even did an HIV test.
Now, why would you do an HIV test?
Well, I mean, you did say immune-like collapse.
Sure!
You know, that means that without saying it, you suspect some kind of a viremia.
Not a bacteremia, not a septicemia, but a viremia.
Yes.
And, you know, there's some virus that's now attacking the poor guy's immune system.
So, those tests came back negative.
Sure, it was negative for HIV.
And after a six-hour stay in the ICU unit, he died.
Cause of death not mentioned.
All the records sealed.
Private, supposedly, funeral by the military.
Life was not allowed to be there.
Don't they have to list the cause of death?
Or is Brazil not like America in that regard?
They just say, well, he died.
Brazil.
They do not have to do anything they don't want to do.
Cause of death?
Unknown.
In less than 20 days, three bacteria attacked the officer, it was written.
One was in his arm, some days before he was cured.
Afterwards, he had a urinary tract infection with Enterobacter.
Now, that came back from the lab reports.
That, they say, caused his death, which was a lie.
There was also another infection in his lungs, that is, another bacteria.
And this is all indicated by Dr. Furtado.
Now, when you look at the lab reports, which I have done, and you take that with the testimony of his sister, you get a whole different picture, because his sister describes his high, spiking fevers, his thirst, loss of appetite, emaciated appearance, Strange color of skin, and what's more important, what she describes, engorgement of his eyes with blood.
Oh, my God.
Now, is there anything... And all of this... Does that remind you of anything, Art?
Did you ever hear what the symptomatology of an Ebola infection was?
I was going to say that, or Marburg, something like that, some sort of bleed out.
Um, gee, I don't know where to begin here.
What was done with his body?
Well, it was supposedly buried, and they're trying to get the body interned.
But guess what?
They're having a lot of difficulty doing that.
And I've got a sneaking suspicion there is no body.
Because, you know, not just trying to keep the fact that Maybe a UFO crashed with alien beings running around town, but maybe one of them had a terrible viral infection, an Ebola-like infection.
Don't you think that's a good reason to put the hat on this?
My God, you'd have scared everybody to death!
Yes, I would say it would be a very good reason, because that would mean any contact perhaps with one of these aliens, or any alien, could result in what you just described.
And all of this came down on an apparent Very healthy man.
Who was how old?
Twenty-three years old.
In how many days?
Twenty days?
Yeah, roughly twenty-some odd days.
Less than three weeks.
Yeah, I'd say that'd be a reason to put a hat on this, all right.
Now, you know, I'm sure you've heard this over and over and over again, like beating a drum.
Why don't they come down and shake hands with you lamb on the White House lawn?
Yeah, land on the White House lawn, shake hands with Bush, and everybody in the country is dead in less than a month from a bacteria.
And what movie, what movie depicted that?
War of the Worlds.
Yeah?
Did the doctor offer any private observations or suspicions beyond, you know, what came back in the lab tests about, you know, Well, here's what he had to say.
I can read it to you verbatim.
Despite the antibiotics, the infection was getting worse.
After his death, his body was taken for an autopsy, which revealed a urinary tract infection caused by Enterobacter that was confirmed by examinations at Hospital Bombastor.
There was also a lung infection and small pneumonia.
There could have been a congenital immunodeficiency.
Is that a laugh?
Congenital immunodeficiency?
A 23-year-old, young, healthy military fellow?
Yeah, congenital.
No, that doesn't... But, he goes on to say, but he didn't have that, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten to be 23 in good health.
I find that amusing.
And so that's how he ends it?
No, he says his chance of dying when he was a boy was much higher.
Any kind of disease can kill a person with immunodeficiency.
So, he didn't have that for sure, or at least he didn't have the immunodeficiency the day he died.
For this reason, it, the immunodeficiency, was surely acquired.
How he acquired that, no one knows.
I say the cause of death was not found because it wasn't pneumonia, or the urinary tract infection, and the abscess that killed him.
We still don't know what the cause.
Well, normally the World Health Organization or CDC or whatever would fly personnel in for that kind of thing, wouldn't they?
Oh, I would think so, but again, you're dealing with Brazil.
It's just marvelous to find a hospital that even has an ICU.
Now, the two doctors One that came forth and talked in this case, the other one was an orthopedic surgeon.
And they had to quarantine or cordon off one section of the same hospital, which was Hospital Regionale, where this being was treated, which we can go into next.
So here we have the guy that saves his butt, takes him to the hospital.
First incidentally, I don't know what I mentioned, he was taken to a first aid station.
And there he was examined and they decided they couldn't do anything with the poor guy.
So that's when they took him to a hospital region.
And then comes the doctor I interviewed who was there in the hospital and saw a gradual influx of military people.
But he said that this wasn't surprising because the military would bring in injured victims and from time to time from whatever they had happened on
the base.
And so to see military people in the hospital was not surprising, but as the night wore
on there was more of them and they actually cordoned off a section of the hospital.
So...
Do you think the suspicion was that there was other contact and there were just others
that had proximity that were getting checked out?
Is that what you think?
Now, this is a very good question, and that's the question that I put to the Brazilian researchers not long after I heard the report from Dr. Furtado.
And he says that according to military witnesses, and you've got to remember, military stints in Brazil are not like they are here.
They're much shorter.
These people go in, they do their thing, and they're out.
Once they're out, they blab, they talk.
Evidently, there were more people who were getting sick that reported to the military medical unit there, and there's also some suspicion that some civilians also became ill.
That's all we know now, but as I said, we're making comparisons between Roswell and this case.
And now you say that the hospital portion of it was cordoned off?
That's correct.
It was cordoned off by military personnel and restricted.
Not even the medical personnel were allowed in and out of the area.
Once the control This is just an astounding story, isn't it?
to all personnel in the hospital.
And as I understand it, part of this was the surgery and the maternity unit where they
had more space.
This is just an astounding story, isn't it?
Oh, it is in all aspects.
Writing the book, which took me quite some time, and discussing it even in the time that
we have on the air, we're only highlighting a few of the features of the case.
So if someone is interested, and I certainly can't see why they wouldn't be, they've got
to get a book and read what's in there, because I've got almost the latest information.
Let me pull all the way back to the crashing vehicle with the piece missing and smoke.
Do you think, Doctor, that it's worth speculating that the United States shot this thing, shot at this thing, and that NORAD damn well knew where it was going to come down because they were tracking it after we did whatever we did?
Well, after being involved for as long as I've been involved in this field and, you know, not just running out of the pumpkin patch.
Here's, for example, President Reagan going gung-ho for this Star Wars thing.
Yes.
At a time where we have no particular mortal enemies here that are going to attack us.
The Cold War is winding down to an end.
The Soviet Union is folding up like a clam.
And he's out pushing, you know, Star Wars.
Well, actually, he pushed it before the Soviet Union collapsed like a clam.
Yeah, well, he did.
He was, you know, it was an inspiration during that time.
But I'm saying he pushed it, but it was still pushed after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Quite right.
And actually is still being pushed today.
I've read, I don't know how many stories recently about the U.S.
weaponizing Space, it's a big, really big topic right now, and our military basically is saying, yeah, we're gonna essentially weaponize space.
We have to protect, in fact, one of the quotes was that if U.S.
satellites were taken out of commission, it would bring the United States to its knees.
So, will we weaponize space to protect our assets?
I think so.
Well, we can weaponize our space to protect our assets, or we can protect, as Regan alluded to, something.
It's either something without or something within.
And if they got some pointed in a different direction, it may be protection, but it's protection from what?
Yes.
My advice to the President and to the military would be the same as I gave to a man last night on the air.
And that is that, gee, I don't know, a race of intelligent beings that could cross light years to get to us, probably you shouldn't shoot at them.
Because if they have that technology and we, you know, upset them, It seems like they could, I don't know, sterilize the world.
Well, even if they don't have that intent, and their intent is quite benign, and you do shoot at them, I think, by all means, they certainly have a right to defend themselves.
But it always amuses me that we look at non-terrestrial beings in the strict sense that there's some You know, organized affair, like in Star Trek, the Federation of Planets?
How do we know, for example, that Joe Cluck on Planet Zig, about, oh, in this neighborhood, only about four light years away, gets the weekend off, and he says to the wife, hey, I'm going to go down to Joe's saucer lot.
Maybe, Doctor.
Hold it right there.
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Dr. Roger Lear is here.
His book, UFO Crash in Brazil, coming out at a most auspicious moment.
I mean, here we have the announcement by Brazil that it's going to make all its UFO information public.
That's gathering headlines, actually.
Ground Ufology tonight and here's Dr. Lear right on time.
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Dr. Lear, Don in New York, New York, obviously listening to the mighty station I grew up with, WABC 77 in New York,
says, obvious question Art, why would somebody, anybody put a
creepy looking alien on their lap?
It is a good question.
I don't...
I don't really know if I have an answer to that, but you know, when you're in the military, you do what you're supposed to do.
Well, I know, but there are limits, and legal orders, and crazy orders.
And if somebody said to me, see that alien?
That encrusted whatever?
Put it on your lap while we go wherever we're going.
I'm sorry, sir, that doesn't sound like a lawful nor smart order to me.
Well, looking at it that way, you know, he can either follow orders or not, and we don't even know if he had an order to do anything.
But in going over the doctor's testimony, he never found the alien creepy or crusty or any such thing.
Maybe he thought it was cute.
I don't know.
I mean, it is a good question, though.
I mean, yeah, you're right.
They didn't say creepy looking, but not human, so it's creepy in a way.
Well, even the girls that I interviewed, one was very adamant about this being an intelligent creature.
She didn't know what it was.
Yeah, but it scared the hell out of her.
It scared the hell out of her because she associated it with the devil.
Each one of the three girls had different impressions of what they saw, and I was able to do interviews with two of them.
Now, there are other individuals that have gone there.
Dr. John Mack was there.
I recall his trip there, yes.
And it was his impression that they were certainly telling the truth.
I didn't go there with the purpose of trying to decide whether they were telling the truth.
I went there, as I said originally, looking for physical evidence.
But the interviews with the girls, I wanted to do for another reason.
I'm surprised that Dr. Mack didn't do it.
I wanted to know if they or the mother had some relationship to the abduction phenomena.
And I found some rather strange things in that note.
But the second girl, who was the youngest, as I stated originally, stood there a couple of seconds longer.
And noticed that the being turned around and looked at her.
And I questioned her as to, you know, why she thought this was something other than an animal.
I said, are you sure this is not an animal?
You know, I realize you live not too far from where wild animals are seen.
And she said, no, this is not an animal.
I mean, she was absolutely adamant.
And I said, did you think that this creature or whatever it was you saw had intelligence?
And she said, absolutely.
Now, she was the only one of the three that said that, but as I said, she saw him turn his head and look directly at her.
The experience the orthopedic surgeon had, which we can talk about again later, certainly proves that this was not an animal, and again, as I said, it was not creepy and not crusty.
Well, let's talk about that.
He's a surgeon, so he should know quite a bit about that.
Yes, and I think when I went there, I received a reception from the very beginning that was quite extraordinary to me.
The plane landed at a very small airport and there was no security at this day and age, which was quite surprising at all.
They were aware of your arrival.
Evidently.
The stairs were rolled up to the plane and we were sitting in the back.
I was there with my friend, another doctor, who agreed to go and do some of my filming for me.
So the rest of the passengers on the plane got up and got off before we grabbed the bags that we had.
And we started walking off the plane.
As we started going off, we noticed that there was a crowd of people.
I mean, people poured out of this little terminal to come up to the plane.
I'll tell you the truth, I was kind of scared.
Doctor, with that kind of a reception, wouldn't you also be perhaps concerned about the possibility of a setup?
I mean, it sounds as though it almost could be planned.
Oh yeah, there were numerous things that went through my mind.
I mean, number one, like I said, there was no security there.
I'd like to see you land on the smallest airport in the United States in some kind of a commercial liner.
And have people just bust out of the terminal and run out to the runway.
Yeah.
It just doesn't happen.
In some countries, yes, you're allowed to.
In fact, they don't even have transport to airplanes in a lot of countries.
You just walk right up, you know, on the runway, you walk right up the tarmac and to the steps and go up the plane.
That's it.
Well, these were people who were greeting an arriving plane.
Yeah.
You just don't do that.
So yeah, I was kind of shook up.
Who knows what was going on?
Maybe I was going to be arrested when I walked down the stairs.
But the first thing that happened was that, you know, someone stuck out their hand and started shaking hands with me.
And another fellow popped up as the interpreter and told me that the gentleman that I had just shook hands with was the mayor.
Me?
Who?
Who in the heck am I to receive a reception from the mayor of a city?
Well, I don't know.
You tell me.
I mean, what was the excitement?
I don't know.
It's still to this day.
I mean, the word obviously got out that I was coming to Virginia, and I don't know what kind of preparation they had made, but this is a little town now who has become quite famous for this event that occurred.
And they're just realizing today, I understand, that perhaps they can...
Make a couple of bucks from getting tourists to go there.
This is not a tourist town.
You don't go to Varginha.
You go there if you want to do something with agriculture or farming.
All right, but this could be a motive, though, for staging an entire event, and maybe you as a great American ufologist coming to investigate this and validate it and make it a very important place that people would want to visit.
I don't know.
I can see you'd be very welcome.
That's what I guess I meant by a setup.
Yeah, well, it's possible, but again, I don't know today.
All I do know is what happened after I got there, and the people started coming forth that would volunteer to talk to me.
They wouldn't talk to anybody before, and one of them was this physician that was at Hospital Regionale, and he didn't want to talk to me as a UFO researcher.
I think he just wanted to talk to me because I was a colleague.
And there was nobody else for him to talk to for six years.
Right.
So the interview was probably one of the most emotional events that ever occurred to me in my life.
Here's a guy who starts out by telling us that all this was rumors.
These were things that he'd heard from his friends and colleagues in the hospital.
He had no first-hand knowledge of any of this.
And it winds up, at the end of the interview, sitting in a chair with his hands shaking, his head lowered, and tears running down his cheeks.
So, you know, that disclaimer at the beginning was absolute nonsense.
One of the things I found at the beginning when I was introduced to him, he spoke almost no English, and I don't speak that much Portuguese.
And he asked me to come with him privately and he took me into one of the examining rooms and he had a patient on the table who had a fracture of a foot with x-rays upon the view box and he motioned for me to look at the foot and look at the x-rays.
And I was very happy to oblige.
And during that session where we went ahead and I assisted him in putting a cast on the foot, we were able to talk.
In medical terminology.
Sure.
Which was almost the same, whether it was English or Portuguese or whatever else.
I'm sure that's right, yes.
So we had a common bond before the actual formal part of the interview ever began.
So most of the information I was getting from Obirajar's son, Rodolfo, who was fluent in English, But when it came to the medical aspects, they probably understood a lot less than I did.
Well, what brought this man to tears?
Well, he talked from the beginning of the happenings of that night and how he saw an increase in military personnel in the hospital.
And he didn't really think that much of it because sometimes they brought in accident cases from the base and so on.
He saw something that he felt was sort of strange.
The military personnel were guarding certain doorways, and the hospital and civilian personnel were not allowed to go in or out.
But he just went on doing what he usually does.
At one point, he was asked by two military police officers to accompany him, and he was taken into the wing that they had cordoned off.
And this part of it was the surgery suite, and he was asked to scrub for a case, and when he inquired as to what kind of a case it was, they wouldn't tell him anything.
So he did, and he finished a scrub gown and then went into the surgical room, and there was a military guard on the outside of the door, and basically he was told not to come out until the job was done.
Not knowing what the job was supposed to be or what he was supposed to do there.
So he looked at the patient on the table and the patient was covered up with a drape sheet and he was still doing his preparation.
They had x-rays up on a view box and he said, well, you know, he thought it was a child with some sort of a fracture because he is an orthopedic surgeon.
So he looked at the x-rays and he told me the first thing that he saw was He recognized the bone structure, and this would have been the femur, which is the bone in the thigh.
But when he was looking at it, he thought that the victim had severe osteoporosis because he saw these large, what he called lacunae, in the bones, the cavities in the bone, like sometimes you find in an older person who has severe osteoporotic bone.
That he didn't quite understand.
So did he go as far as to suggest that he didn't look human?
Or just human with disease?
Well, the bone looked human but with disease.
Then they went over to the table and they pulled the drape sheet back and he looked at this thing's face and I guess he was akin to falling over.
He knew that it wasn't human and he knew that it wasn't some kind of deformity that he had ever seen before.
But it was some kind of a bipedal creature, two arms and two legs.
And he described it as being less than five feet tall.
The skin was brown and what he called reticulated.
What does that mean?
He explained this as seeing outlines of like large scales.
But then when you went to touch the skin, of course he was all gloved, so he was protected.
But he said the skin was very smooth and you couldn't feel any demarcation between this scaly-like appearance.
The skin was very, very smooth.
That's interesting.
A scaly area that looked, or it looked scaly, but to touch it, the same as the rest of the skin.
Right.
And the body was hairless.
No hair on the head, the arms, on the torso.
The color was brown and the skin was oily and there was a set of external blood vessels like varicose veins that coursed up the shoulders and did not go up into the neck but were only on the shoulders.
The head was quite large in proportion to the torso.
The face had two large upturned eyes that were red in color, but he did not want to look this creature in the eye.
Oh, I've never liked red eyes.
And he said, I asked him why, and he said he really didn't know.
He just didn't want to look at the eye.
But what he did see was that the eyes looked like two pools of liquid.
And gave us a very strange feeling, which made him definitely not want to look at me at all.
On the top of the head were three protrusions that ran from the front above the forehead to the back that stuck out about an inch.
Yeah, you mentioned that before.
You mean like bone protrusions?
Yeah, bone protrusions.
Running across the head from the front to the back, one on each side, and one right across the middle.
Maybe that made that girl think it was devil-like.
I think so, because, you know, you picture the devil with horns.
Exactly.
The color and the red eyes and so on, that's probably what gave her the impression that it was the devil.
Red eyes, very bad.
So, very little mouth, no particularly nose, No, nothing that you considered, you know, ears.
Nope, no pina.
The outside, you know, fleshy part of our ears.
The neck was thin and looked like it couldn't support the head well.
The torso was at, he said, like a child.
He says the arms were amiciated, very thin, long.
Hands went down to about the lower center of the thighs.
The hands had four fingers, and the fingers, he said, could articulate with each other.
In other words, you could take the second finger and make it work with the fifth finger.
There was no opposed thumb, and he said, mechanically, a hand that operated in this manner didn't need a thumb.
Was he absolutely convinced at this point that he was looking at a non-human, or did he have some, or imagine in some way he was looking at a deformed human?
No, I asked him that specifically, and after he saw the face and neck... No doubt?
He had no doubt in his mind that this was not a human being.
Then he went on to Again, he described how the fingers worked and he didn't know whether they were multi-jointed fingers or whether they were composed of some kind of a soft cartilage that could bend.
But he said the hand could do anything that we could do with our hand without the use of the thumb.
He said there was no navel, there was no umbilicus, no belly button, there was no external genitalia seen.
The legs, he said, were quite muscular and short.
And there was a normal looking knee without a visible patella.
It was the kneecap.
You didn't really see a kneecap.
And we got down to the foot.
The legs just sort of went into the foot without the normal appearance of a human ankle.
He talked about the toes, there being three large, very fleshy toes with no toenails.
But he described another appendage, which came off the center portion, like if you're looking at your foot, the mid-arch area, the side of the arch.
And there was an appendage that he called a vestigial appendage.
Now, I don't know where he got that idea.
But he said it hung down in a relaxed position so that it was 90 degrees to the long axis of the foot.
And on the end of this appendage was about a three quarter of an inch claw.
But when the being walked, which was later, he saw that he took that appendage and made it parallel with the foot and just walked like a normal human being.
Now, when he described it, was there any indication of what the use of that would have been?
No.
None whatsoever.
But there was something else that happened.
Ubir Jara, who was sitting there listening to the testimony, when he talked about this appendage, he sat straight up in his chair and got kind of wild-eyed.
And I looked at him and I said, you know, does that mean something to you?
And he said, that explains it.
All right, hold it right there.
That explains it.
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the claw appendage and the exclamation, well that explains it.
I've been trying to think myself an appendage on the side of a foot that amounts to a claw.
What would be the purpose of that?
Well, hmm.
A little extra balance?
Yeah, I guess it would provide that.
The appendage of a predator?
That might explain it.
I wonder what did explain it.
Doctor?
Well, I don't know if we really have an explanation, but As I said, Ubirajara jumped up and said, that explains it.
And I said, what is it that it explains?
And he said, well, he went to investigate the area where the three girls saw the creature kneeling.
He said he could see the impression in the ground.
But just about where the foot was, there was a round hole in the ground.
And he couldn't figure out... Oh, that explains the footprint.
Right.
Oh, my guess is as good as any.
A predator's foot.
I don't know.
Well, you know, monkeys have what's called a monkey grooming claw.
And when I went through all that research that we did on the Gary Lowry case with the so-called claw, we found that certain animals have claws for grooming.
Right.
Others have claws with a little canal in them that contain the gland that puts out poison.
So I don't think this looks like a description of a creature that has a claw for a weapon.
Was this a procedure that the doctor was doing?
Was all of this in some way recorded?
Were there cameras in the room?
That's right, yes.
He said there were no military personnel in the room.
They were all outside.
But the intimidation was there, and he was not supposed to come out until the job was done.
You would think something of this magnitude, working on an alien creature, they would want to memorialize.
Well, I bet your bottom dollar that if it occurred here, there would have been a camera in each corner of the room, and it would have been a sterile environment, and they wouldn't have been just wearing a scrub suit and a mask.
They would have been wearing a helmet.
The air would have been evacuated and they would have been using a rereading system.
I'm sure all that's true, yes, but not in Brazil.
Not in Brazil, no.
Jumping to the end, supposedly the bodies were taken to the University of Campinas.
And it was that area during the Civil War, some tunnels were dug and rooms were set up.
Wait, wait, wait.
The bodies were taken.
Right.
Now, I want to know what happened to this alien.
Yeah, okay, let's... I just threw that in.
I was afraid this alien was one of the bodies.
It wasn't, was it?
Yes, unfortunately.
It was.
Well, now, it was there to be treated for what I thought was roughly the same thing as a broken leg or something, right?
Right.
So how do we get from there to dead?
Okay.
Next part to the story.
Yes.
The rest of the story.
The surgeon went ahead and looked at the wound.
It was a compound fracture, which means the bone was sticking to the skin.
He reduced the fracture as best as possible.
He approximated the bone ends.
You put the bone back and you put the ends back together.
In human medicine, what we do is we take some stabilizing device, a pin, a screw, a plate, or something.
plated, fixated, that's called fixating a fracture.
So that the thing stays and then you close the surrounding tissue and you close the skin
and then you put a cast on it.
Normally painful but not fatal?
Normally painful, not fatal, could be fatal if there was something like an embolus,
which is a cloth that forms and gets carried out through the lung.
But very rare.
So, normal people.
They never told me that when I had my compound fracture.
I was hang gliding, broke my arm.
They never said a word about embolisms.
I'll bear that in mind.
Well, how long ago was that?
I was in my twenties and it was the crashing part of hang gliding.
Well, since that was just yesterday, you know, we wouldn't expect to find you there.
Today, you would go in and they would tell you everything.
That was going to happen to you, even having a general anesthesia, that you have a possibility you might die.
Then we discuss embolism.
They really want to talk about all of that today?
Yeah, today.
In my case, I just walked into the doctor's office.
A nurse was there.
He started, he set the arm.
It freaked her out so badly, she started sweating and fainted.
I had so much dope in me that I didn't feel anything.
And anyway, that's how that worked.
I never heard a word about embolisms or anything else.
So they would tell you all of that today?
Yeah, they'd tell you all of that today if it was an operating room.
When I started this, which was a good number of years ago, we used to go into surgery and it was very light-hearted and it was fun.
You enjoyed doing what you're doing.
If you wanted to crack a joke, you'd crack a joke.
Today you go in, there's a camera in either corner of the room while your conversation is being recorded.
You better not smile even under your mask or somebody will detect it and that's negligence, you know.
Today's medicine, uh, great.
Just great.
Alright, now let's not get away from this story.
So anyway, here's a guy on the table and he's got the fracture and it's being set.
The bone ends are put together and the doctor's trying to decide what to use for a fixation device on an unknown creature with unknown bone.
And so he goes in to look at the fracture site again and get it cleaned up and amazingly he can't move the ends of the bone.
They don't move.
They don't move?
Can't pull them apart.
So I started asking... Meaning what?
That it healed already?
It already started to heal.
Wow.
And I asked him about the color.
He said the color was pinkish, which was very the same color as a human bone.
He said the bone was pretty much like human bone, except that it had these large cavities or what he called lacunae in the bone.
And he says what that did was gave the bone a pencil strength, which was much, much greater than human bone and made it lighter.
Okay.
Then I asked him about the blood.
I said, was it blue or yellow or green?
You know, what color was the blood?
And he kind of chuckled at that point and said, no, it was the same color as human blood.
It was red.
And I asked him about the... Did he get any samples?
Oh yeah, they took samples and they sent it to the lab and they ran all kinds of tests on it.
And?
And looked for, you know, the electrolytes and things.
He said the cellular structure was Very similar to human blood, with the exception that the small white cells, the platelets, were, I think he said, tenfold over what it is in the human body.
And he said the blood would clot almost immediately when it came out of the blood vessel.
But he didn't know whether that was because of the increased number of platelets or whether the blood was being introduced into an atmosphere that was far different than what it was used to.
Well, that number of platelets might indicate a more efficient clotting and healing system, right?
Yeah, it's very possible.
But also, you know, maybe they didn't come from the same gaseous environment that we have on Earth's atmosphere.
So this man now had a sample of alien blood.
Right.
Sample of alien blood and bone.
They sent them both to the lab.
So anyway, he went ahead and to the best of his ability just didn't fixate it and he closed the rest of it.
What he said happened next was the most amazing thing that he's ever seen.
He said he didn't put it into the cast because he didn't know what to expect and felt that it was safer, you know, both for the patients And for him because if something happens to the patient who
knows what would happen to him, right?
So we watched it and in a 24-hour period everything healed including the skin
Okay So right now we have a healthy healed alien and soon we
have a dead alien I mean, how do we get from there to there?
Okay.
I said, what condition was the alien in when, or the being in when he left the hospital facility with the military guard?
And he very specifically said to me he was in satisfactory medical condition.
Now that art is a very specific medical term.
You talk about any dignitary or actor or actress that's reported in a hospital and they tell you what condition.
It's critical.
It's satisfactory, etc., etc.
Right.
So when you say satisfactory condition, that means that all vital signs are present and the patient is ambulatory.
That means they can walk okay and they can breathe and everything is functioning well.
That is the condition that this This creature left the hospital with a military escort.
He was taken immediately and put into a military truck.
And from there, witnesses outside of the hospital said that the trucks left the back portion of the Humanitas Hospital and immediately took him to another hospital.
Now, we don't know whether something transpired after it left.
The hospital general, or whatever the reason, but they took him to another hospital.
Now, shall we talk again about the last thing that happened in the operating room?
Please.
I asked the doctor, as any curious person would ask medical and otherwise, did you have any communication with this creature?
Thank you.
Yes.
He became silent.
And he said, well, I'm going to tell you something that happened in the operating room.
You can believe it or not.
He said, when we had almost finished the surgery, he said the room began to fill with a greenish haze.
He didn't know whether it was coming from the creature or whether it was coming from somewhere else.
He didn't know whether it was going to be toxic.
They didn't smell anything.
And as the room filled with his greenish haze, he turned around and he saw that the source of it was the being laying on the table.
He lost eyes with the creature, which he didn't want to do.
And he said at this point, he could not remove his eyes.
And he said that it downloaded into his head, the best way he could describe it, these thought And he said it was like somebody had physically taken a rubber hammer and hit him over the head time after time after time after time resulting in something that was akin to the worst possible migraine headache with nausea and vomiting which lasted for over two weeks.
Was he being, was information being imparted with every hit of the mallet?
Yes.
So I asked him if he would Tell us what this creature told him.
And he said, I'm only going to tell you two things.
And that were two things that it talked about in relation to the human race.
And he said that it's they, whoever they are, wherever they come from, felt sorry for human beings.
And I said, why?
And he said for two main reasons.
Number one, that human beings have the capability of doing everything that they could do.
And as an example, he said it would not be necessary for wherever he came from to be brought to a facility to have the repair done to his body that he had done here.
That they could either do it singularly or they could join together and heal.
And that we could do the same.
So healing would occur in a very different way.
He was explaining then to the healer that otherwise this would have been done in a very different way at home, basically.
That's correct.
And the other reason was something that was quite earth-shaking.
He said that human beings, he felt sorry for human beings because they were totally detached from their spiritual self.
Some of us perhaps more than others.
That may be largely true, I suppose.
Well, I think it has a lot of deep meaning.
So, he just takes us out the back door into a military vehicle and he's taken to another hospital and then within a 24-hour period a small casket is seen being taken out of the back door of that hospital.
And with him inside, as reported by medical personnel that were in the hospital.
And there's no possibility of getting information on what occurred in there?
Of course there's possibilities.
Greater possibilities than certainly anything that had to do with a body seen at Roswell.
These people are young.
Brazilians don't like to keep their mouths shut.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
So there's going to be a whole lot more to this story then, isn't there?
Oh, absolutely.
There's more witnesses coming forth all the time.
And a little anecdotal story, if we have time for it.
We've got plenty of time.
The Brazilian Army, the military base there at Sergeant's Camp, is a five-day-a-week assignment for the officers.
The officers go home.
They don't stay there on base.
And because you're used to going home and having an interaction with your family, your wife, and so on, for the weekends, they make plans.
Sure.
So, the weekend went by, the husbands didn't come home.
So, Monday and Tuesday... Back away a little from your phone, you're crackling, aren't we?
The better?
Yes.
Monday and Tuesday, the wives were out doing the things like wives do here, getting their hair done, nails and so on, complaining to their operators that their husbands didn't come home that weekend, and their plans were ruined.
Everything that they had planned, doing this and doing that, and what kind of a lousy excuse did they have?
The husbands were chasing aliens around the countryside.
That's what they told their wives, huh?
That's what they told their wives.
Oh, isn't that fascinating.
And then all the bodies, you said, were delivered to one place?
Yes, everything was eventually wound up at the University of Campinas.
Which is a large university about 40-50 miles, I think, from Virginia.
And it was at this university that the American military presence was seen.
I suppose that's where everything terminates, more or less, once the U.S.
gets involved.
Yes, yes.
There, we know also from other testimony that an autopsy was done, and we know who did it.
A very famous Brazilian pathologist by the name of Barton Palares.
He, if you remember, was the... How do we know he did the autopsy?
Because the witnesses there at the university He said that he was there doing the autopsy.
We got the testimony.
Also, he was a teacher there and held classes, and the class members knew that he was doing an autopsy on some kind of a non-human, non-terrestrial being.
And they asked him, they pushed him, they begged him as part of the class structure for further information, and he told them, he said, I will never talk about this in your lifetime.
So many witnesses seem to say about that, don't they?
They certainly do.
So we know from there now that the stuff was taken eventually back to Sao Paulo, and from Sao Paulo, a military transport plane took everything back, undoubtedly back here somewhere, but we don't know where.
So it goes into the pot.
Somewhere in America, though, are the remains of those aliens.
That's correct.
The Marginia aliens are somewhere in the U.S., and Lord knows how many others from somewhere else.
And no indication, though, of where in the U.S.?
Not a clue.
Once you leave a country like Brazil, the veil of secrecy goes up, and the information goes completely black.
All right, hold it right there, and I'm sure that many of you are going to have questions.
I'm going to try and fit some of them in.
What a hell of a story this has been, huh?
What happened in Brazil on the very night that we're learning that Brazil is about ready to throw open all of its UFO files.
Now, whether that will include this story, I say, probably not.
And I'm sure Dr. Lear does as well.
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Dr. Lear has written The Aliens and the Scalpel, a very popular book, The Scientific Study of Alien Implants.
And now, of course, UFO crash in Brazil.
You've heard a great deal tonight.
In the book, obviously, you're going to get all the details.
You know, with the quality of eyewitness testimony, In this case that we've heard about, for example, tonight so far with Dr. Lear, I think it's clear that in the sense that this is contemporary, there is as much, if not more, evidence of alien life in this case than there was in Roswell.
At least as much as.
And it's so contemporary.
I mean, it virtually just happened.
As the doctor pointed out, the people are young.
Brazilians are given to talk about these subjects as evidenced by their government's announcement, just to release all the information they have on ufology.
Hopefully it would include something of this magnitude.
But in that way it is bigger than Roswell, right Doctor?
That certainly is.
I've thought about this, I've given it some thought over and over again.
I actually talked about it in the book.
Certainly we touched on some of the major events of the case and probably we should finish by saying that the story does not end with the events of the week of January the 20th or the death of the military police officer because three months later an individual Who was giving a party at the local Virginia Zoo in a small room which I visited in a secluded area of the zoo.
The zoo is very jungle-like in Virginia.
And she stepped out on the porch during this little party.
And decided to have a cigarette.
so she lit up a cigarette and as she turned to light the cigarette she learned, she looked
and saw staring at her from the upper level of the porch a creature looking at her which
she described exactly the same way as the other eyewitnesses in the Virginia case except
that this creature she said was wearing some kind of a short helmet that was gold in color.
Is there any way for the witnesses, did they manage to discern, I mean you told me quite
a bit but did they come to some conclusion about whether these beings were benign or
whether they had, well I don't know, evil, some kind of bad intent toward us?
There was no.
Indication by any of the witnesses that any of the creatures that were involved in the capture by the Brazilian military or seen by civilian witnesses did anything to provoke anybody.
Certainly the creature that the two military police officers stopped to help and one to pick up and take in his car.
It was very evident that he gave almost no resistance whatsoever.
Even the creatures that the Brazilian Army and Fire Department chased through the clearing into the little woods only seemed to be running from them.
They did not seem to be hostile in any way.
And if one of them was shot, again, we don't know exactly what happened because the witnesses could not see Well, here's my hope, Art.
the forested area. Doctor, what about evidence after the fact? I mean, for example, blood
samples. That would be extremely convincing evidence, I would think. Well, here's my hope,
Art. I made a very sincere promise to the orthopedic surgeon that I would not reveal
his name. Okay, but still, if you have blood, you have a DNA structure, for example, right?
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
So here's the deal.
I didn't get any reports.
I didn't see any x-rays.
I wasn't able to bring back anything.
But I gave this man my word I would not reveal his name because he was terrified.
And I think now, at this late date, with all these things going on, if I went back there, Yes.
It's got to be.
Somebody made a copy of the lab report.
You're damn right.
Are you going to go back?
Yes.
I'm going to try and get down there before the end of the year.
Oh.
Oh.
And is your intent, you have intent to come back with that kind of, I mean, that kind of evidence would rock the world, Doctor.
Yeah, well, I think, you know, there's a greater chance from what's going on here, what's going on now, that, you know, we could possibly get this evidence.
Because if the Brazilian Air Force is turning this material over and it's going to become public knowledge, then somebody who has one of these documents say, OK, it's public knowledge.
Here, take it.
It's yours.
So your expectation of this announcement, this timely announcement, I might add, by the Brazilian government, they're going to let everything loose.
You don't expect it to include this.
Personally, no.
But the people who might have something, without it coming from the government or from the military, they might decide, well, look, the Air Force is letting stuff go.
Maybe these documents I took home, hey, I'll let people take a look at it.
All right.
A couple of very quick questions.
You're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
Where are you calling from, please?
Hi.
I'm calling from Portland, Oregon.
Portland.
And you have a question?
Yeah.
I didn't catch the very beginning of this.
When did this happen?
When did the incident occur?
You're right.
You didn't catch the beginning.
You might want to catch the replay.
It was a very intense story, and I trust they'll replay it at the end of the program tonight, hopefully in your market.
All right.
Doctor?
January the 20th of 1996.
And it occurred over a period of how many hours or days would you say actively going on?
The intense activity took place from the night of January the 19th through the 22nd.
Through the 22nd, alright.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
Good morning.
Hi, my name's Katina.
I'm from Greenville, South Carolina.
Yes.
My question was more about the gentleman who caught the illness.
My sister recently passed away with an illness that was incredibly similar to the one the doctor described.
She had an infection in her blood, she had pneumonia, she had the areas on her skin, but she is not active in the military or anything like that.
As far as I know, she's never had any, like, you know, abductions or anything of that sort.
And what was the cause of death in her case listed as?
Same kind of thing.
She just had an autopsy.
No, no, no.
In this case, there was no cause of death listed.
Not really.
So what specifically was said about your sister?
Okay.
Well, every time they did an extraction of the material or bacteria or infection that was in her body, they never could get anything to grow so they could study it.
They never were able to identify it.
Wow.
Well, that is pretty weird.
Doctor?
I'd like to know if someone received a death certificate.
I mean, she just passed away the 16th.
Of this month?
Yes, just recently.
uh... would be interesting to see uh... what says on the death certificate as
the cause of death because in the united states no matter what state you're in
it uh... to meet all the legal qualifications a cause of death must be
listed okay we'll see how that might be active
Yes, we've got that.
Will you please contact us with that information when you get it?
I will definitely do that.
Alright, thank you very much and take care.
God, you wouldn't want to think, would you doctor, that something like that is loose in some way?
Well, how do we know?
You know, the whole abduction phenomena, for example, People are very reticent to talk about it.
They have, you know, many fears.
Seven traumas is what late John Mack, Dr. Mack, listed in his book, Abduction.
So who in the world was going to talk about death following an abduction?
You're quite right, sure.
Sure.
Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
Good morning.
Karen, you're gonna have to yell at us.
You're not too loud.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
Is that better?
Better.
Okay.
Uh, yeah.
I missed it when you came back from break when the doctor looked at the guy's claw on the foot and said, now I understand.
What did he understand?
Huh.
Uh, we did cover that, uh, but nevertheless, doctor.
What, uh, Uberjara Rodriguez, the chief investigator, uh, on the case was so shocked about had to do with the fact that when he examined the area where the creature was kneeling by the wall, He found a little round hole in the ground at the area where the foot was, and that was the explanation, because there was probably this appendage that made the little round hole.
Okay, well that should do it.
Let's go to first time caller line.
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Hello.
Hi.
What is your first name?
Hello?
Hello?
Yes, hello.
It's me, Amanda.
Amanda, and where are you, Amanda?
I'm on the North Carolina-South Carolina line.
Way back there, okay.
And I've been waiting for a show like this.
Well, here it is.
I have a question.
I'd like to ask Dr. Lear to give some more information on the implants he's removed.
And I also think I have implants.
Well, I'll tell you what, that's a whole nother show, and we've done shows on the implants, but briefly, doctor, if you want to It is something you do.
You remove these implants.
I think, perhaps publicly at least, you've removed more, and probably even in private, than any other doctor in the world, of these sorts of suspected things, right?
That's correct, Art, and I've been in practice for 41 years, and before I ever got involved with the abduction phenomena or UFOs and this nature, I've extracted hundreds of things from the human foot, from paper to glass to hair and nails to whatever.
And in all cases, I can honestly say I was only interested in two things.
One was whether it came out satisfactory and it was all gone, or if there was any lesions in the area to know that they were benign and healed.
I never gave any thought to what these objects might be, but in answer to the lady's question, we've now done 11 cases which produced 12 objects, and 11 of these have had scientific interest, very most unusual findings.
I can still refer you to My first book, The Aliens in the Scalpel, which I think you can still get on Amazon.com or Casebook Alien Implants, I think is still available in the bookstores.
I'm coming out with a new, a second edition of the first book.
Have you come to any conclusions, Doctor, about the implants themselves, whether they're Active, essentially, and controlling in some way, or simple listening and monitoring devices, or what?
I think they're, first of all, a form of advanced nanotechnology, and the purpose might be to transmit biological data that has to do with our changing DNA.
And I can't, I don't have nowhere near the time To go into all the details that made me reach that conclusion, but I usually don't like to jump out and give answers for something that, you know, is conjecture, but scientifically you can advance a theory, but it has to be taken into the laboratory and either proven or disproven.
but at the present time, at the present date, 2005, after doing quite a few of these, that
is my present feeling.
You sure have, with everything you've told us tonight, earned a book plug.
UFO crash in Brazil.
And we've been talking about it all night tonight, the UFO crash in Brazil.
This one.
Is available in this country now?
It's on Amazon.
Could I go cruising to Amazon and get it?
You should be able to.
Or you can get it by calling an 800 number.
Oh, oh, oh, okay.
Which is 800-700-8733.
Or, you can go through my website, Alienscalpel, with 1s.com.
Alienscalpel.com.
Or, you can call 805-495-2613, and you can get a personalized copy.
and scalpel with one and dot com and scalpel dot com or you can call eight zero five four
nine five two six one three and you can get a personalized copy and if you say you'll
sign it right I'll sign it, make it to whoever is ordering it, and if you say you've heard it on coast-to-coast with Art Bell, it's only $1 shipping and handling.
Oh my gosh.
Alright, that last number where you can get the personalized version, let's have that again.
805-495-2613.
Oh, that's a good deal.
Is that a number that you have to answer personally?
It will either be answered by my secretary or by an answering device.
I see.
And how much is the book?
The book is $14.95.
$14.95.
Well, my guess is it's going to sell like hotcakes with what's going on.
It just couldn't be better, and I'm sure you must have jumped for joy when you heard the story about Brazil breaking in the press.
Couldn't believe it, and just as I said, another synchronicity, the way my life has been going.
I'm willing to bet you that the nightly news will probably pick this up.
East of the Rockies, not a lot of time, but a question if you have it for Dr. Lear.
Yes, good morning.
I was wondering if anyone knew the approximate weight of the creature?
The approximate weight?
Okay, well it was small, we know that.
Doctor, weight?
Don't have an answer.
I don't even remember if I asked that question, because I don't know if there would have been time enough for any medical personnel to have weighed the creature.
Would be interesting though, it would tell us something about density I suppose, huh?
That it would.
I would be very, very much, that was an excellent question.
Okay, Wells to the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear, hello.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Gary listening in on San Diego here, Kogo AM 600.
Of course.
Dr. Lear, I'm a friend with Dr. Steven Greer, and we probably had a representative visit you.
His name is Dan from Piper Tech.
Anyway, my question is, now I know they're going to put these documents on the Internet somehow, but I think it would be a good idea Well, that's a fact, huh?
Although, whether we could expect that, even with this latest announcement, I don't know.
Doctor?
I don't know.
They're going to poke at this time.
I mean, we know what's happened.
I haven't seen it.
I know that AJ is getting it translated into English because all the documents are written in Portuguese.
So, anything that's posted, It's going to have to be a translation.
But the documents that I brought back from Brazil, signed by the Brazilian authorities, were in Portuguese, and I had them translated into English.
Do you think there'd be a way to... I mean, do you even hope to go down there, for example, and come back with a blood sample?
I mean, that would just blow the lid off the whole world.
Because obviously there'd be...
Presumably different DNA.
I mean, the blood would be the smoking gun.
Oh, sure.
Can it be done?
Yeah.
Somebody's got to have something somewhere.
And don't tell me that they did as good as they would do here.
I mean, even the report by the farmer talking about how the Brazilian military crossed the field.
I'm sure with the training that's being done here with our Military groups for crash retrieval.
Far surpasses what they ever did.
There may be something still laying in that field.
When might you go back?
Well, sometime between now and the end of the year.
There's a couple of things that are coming up.
Doctor, we're out of time.
I've got to go.
Brother, what a show.
Thank you so very much.
Thank you for having me.
Have a good night.
There you have it.
Classic stuff.
Dr. Roger Lear from the high desert.
I'm Art Bell.
Hope you have a great week.
Good night.
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