Dr. Roger Leir revisits Brazil’s 1996 Varginha UFO crash, where military officers captured a five-foot-tall, scaly-skinned being with red liquid eyes and rapid blood clotting—later transferred to U.S. secrecy via a military plane. Officer Marco Eli Sharizi died weeks later from unexplained immune collapse, despite official claims of pneumonia, while doctors reported telepathic "thought grams" and bizarre physical traits. Brazil’s recent release of 100+ photos and radar data mirrors Roswell’s delayed disclosures, hinting at global military involvement. Leir seeks lab reports to validate theories of nanotech implants altering DNA, underscoring the need for rigorous scientific scrutiny amid persistent secrecy. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I'd like to bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zone, seeking everyone covered like a blanket by this program, Coast of Coast A.M. I'm Mark Bell.
It's my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
We will first look at the world news in a moment.
Bleak as it normally is.
Speaking of strange, tonight, here in the desert, oh, by the way, tonight's webcam photograph is indeed of our desert.
We live out here in Sirius, Sirius Desert.
Take a look.
A photograph was taken.
That's Ramona.
Of course, that's my car with Ramona on the far side and our real desert in the background.
It's taken between Baker, California, and here, just a few miles away, actually.
I told you, we live out here in Sirius.
That's where all this stuff happens.
Just over the hill there, Area 51.
So let's look quickly at World News.
Laura Bush waded into the middle of Middle East tensions on Sunday during a chaotic visit to sacred religious sites where crowds and hecklers grew so rowdy that armed guards had to be called in to restrain them.
America's First Lady said what she witnessed showed that passions are running high among Palestinians and Israelis.
The United States, she said, will do what we can in this process.
She said, urging both sides to work for peace and probably thinking about getting back on the airplane.
This story.
The Florida, the missing girl, there's an eight-year-old found alive.
An eight-year-old, eight-year-old girl who had been sexually assaulted and then buried under rocks in a trash bin was found alive Sunday by an officer searching a landfill, said authorities.
A teenager charged with attempted murder.
The girl had minor injuries, was taken to a hospital.
Hospital officials would not comment on her condition.
You know, one day something is going to come down and shake this world like it's never been shaken before.
And the people who do this kind of thing are going to be lowered into JC's pit of boiling sewage.
U.S. airstrikes and ground troops killed 12 insurgents who had attacked a coalition patrol in eastern Afghanistan's border region in the latest wave of fighting with Taliban-led rebels.
According to the U.S. Military Sunday, the U.S. called for Afghan human rights investigators to be allowed into Begram, the main U.S. base in Afghanistan, after New York Times reported poorly trained U.S. soldiers there had repeatedly abused prisoners.
The next story, and tonight's guest, I mean, baby, you talk about synchronicity.
As you know, tonight's guest, Dr. Roger Lear, is a heavyweight.
And when you listen to him, he's a surgeon, he's a podiatrist, and he's been studying UFOs, particularly down in Brazil for quite some time.
And the next story could not be more synchronous had we tried.
And I assure you, it had nothing to do with us.
But it's leading UFO news all around the world tonight.
We'll get to it in a moment.
The End It is with some, I don't know, anticipatory trepidation that I look forward to open lines coming up shortly.
We are under a full moon.
It is beautiful out there here in the desert.
It's just unimaginably beautiful.
Outside temperature, about 78 degrees right now.
Humidity probably down in the teens.
Low teens at that, and just spectacular in the desert.
Now, I note that Robert, looking at my webcam photograph this evening, Robert from Port Orchard, Washington says, hey, Art, your beautiful wife is hiding behind a sweet ride.
I'd love to customize the paint job for you.
30 years experience and owner of Integrity Autobody.
Your wife, however, needs no work at all.
Robert.
Robert, I wouldn't let you touch either one.
That thing is cherry.
I keep that thing in the garage most of the time.
We took a ride down to L.A. in that thing, or did we fly?
It was fun.
I mean, every now and then, though we drive most of the time around in our little geometros putting around, every now and then you've got to get out there while we still have the gas and, you know, find out what speed feels like, right?
And the picture you see there, that kind of area affords you that opportunity.
Take your chances with the highway patrol.
They hate it.
All right, so there is synchronicity this night in what we're going to talk about, and the fact that we're having Dr. Lear on, because as you know, he has specialized, investigated as no other, the big cases in Brazil, and there have been a bunch of them.
And look at this.
Breaking news.
It'll be number one on Whitley's Treeburgers hit list on his website, unknowncountry.com.
But it's breaking now everywhere.
I'm getting, I don't know, zillions of email.
The headline is major UFO breakthrough in Brazil.
The nation of Brazil, the nation is going to relax its policy of UFO secrecy.
It is, then, first among a number of countries known to be considering the idea of completely abandoning the secrecy mandate that's been in place now worldwide since the phenomena first began to be publicly known 50 years ago.
A.J. Grevard of the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers reports that a number of important files have just been released, including a folder containing documents from 1977 that covered dozens of cases of UFOs in the Amazon,
with over 100 pictures made during Operation Saucer, an official Brazilian military investigation that was carried out between September and December of 1977.
This change in policy means that one of the countries with the most extensive amount of UFO activity is now going to share its previously secret knowledge with everybody.
So that honestly is big news.
You can read about it at unknowncountry.com.
I'm sure we'll get a link up on coast2coastam.com if we don't already have one.
Big breaking story.
Brazil is going to end the secrecy, and they're a big country to do so.
Now, as you know, Mexico has been leaning toward relaxing it, but Brazil, surprisingly, I might add, took the step ahead of Mexico.
Therefore, tonight's guest is very, very relevant, Dr. Lear, who investigated and will tell you about what he investigated down in Brazil.
What an auspicious time for the government there to be dropping all the secrecy.
And I called Dr. Lear earlier tonight.
I said, hey, have you heard the news?
And I read it to him, and he said, you know, that's not supposed to be out.
That was supposed to be a secret.
And I don't think he was going to even tell us about it tonight.
So he was kind of shocked the press had somehow gotten hold of this.
So that'll be, I don't know, definitely synchronistic and headline-worthy tonight.
Reports that the Bush administration plans to adopt a new policy that would more explicitly spell out the military's commitment to placing offensive and defensive weapons in space are sparking an increased debate.
Proponents say such weapons are needed to protect U.S. homeland and satellites in space, our satellites, that provide such crucial military and civilian services as targeting for weapons, global positioning data, and for satellite and radio, TV.
Satellite, TV, and radio that would be.
They also point out that space has been militarized for decades and say today's military would be instantly brought to its knees if an enemy could interfere with or destroy satellites used by the Pentagon.
So there you have it.
America would be brought to its knees if those satellites could be killed.
So now, let's ask ourselves again, as we did last night, do you think the U.S. has already militarized space?
How many of you out there, raise your hands.
Do you really think we're leaving those satellites, those all-important satellites, that if killed would bring us to our knees?
Are we leaving them unprotected?
I don't think so.
So I think we've already got plenty of weapons in space.
Some people think we have them here on the ground.
The headline is South Natomas home covered with sheet metal.
Residents claim neighbors bombarding them with radiation.
A home in Sacramento's South Natomas neighborhood is surrounded by sheet metal, and neighbors are calling it, well, downright an eyesore.
The D'Souza family lives in the home on Timberwood Court, and they claim the aluminum pieces are necessary to protect them from unknown neighbors who have been bombarding them with radio waves and making them sick.
It's a shield, they say, to protect against radiation because microwave radiation is reflected off of aluminum.
So it's a protective measure, says Resident Sarah D'Souza.
The D'Souzas say the bombardment began after the first anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks and that the radio waves have caused them health problems ranging from headaches to lupus.
They've got photographs and they've got all this sort of random tin all over their house.
no one is one more thing the u_s_ government doesn't want to they say that one of the The Federal Aviation Administration proposed Thursday to amend its regulations as to ensure that it can enforce a law that prohibits obtrusive advertising in zero gravity.
Objects placed in orbit, if large enough, could be seen by people around the world for long periods of time, the FAA said.
Currently, the FAA lacks the authority to enforce the existing law.
For example, outsized billboards deployed by a space company into low Earth orbit could appear as large as the moon and be seen without a telescope.
The FAA said big and bright advertisements just might hinder astronomers.
Large advertisements could destroy the darkness of the night sky.
And I wonder how you would feel if you went out to observe the beautiful stars on a night like tonight, for example, and there went an advertisement for McDonald's or chicken McNuggets or worse yet a whole I shouldn't pick on McDonald's,
it doesn't matter, any Coca-Cola, you know, just whatever constantly streaming across the night sky, blotting out the constellations And causing you to be hungry for a burger or whatever.
In a moment, we will, as promised, begin taking calls for the balance of this hour.
Yeah, first I want to say they had another special on Discovery Channel the other night about the UFOs, and they're trying to still cover it up and say that it's the stealth bombers and all that they're hiding out in there.
So you're telling me it took the skeptics point of view?
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Right.
That's what they're trying to say is all these lights that people are seeing in Arizona and all that is all just these stealth that they're getting out of there without and people catching it.
And that's what they're trying to blame it, you know, on its own military.
And another thing, if they don't mind, if you don't mind me saying, I don't know if you or George the other night was saying something about dreams, dreaming something.
Last night I had a dream that an air apartment complex got hit by an airplane, and I went outside and looked, and the whole front of the apartments was gone.
now here at this point i'd be packing my bags and i don't know for sale and whatever else if to it was bad enough if you have the dream but if your wife has the same every matter of fact is we could hear uh...
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in the path of the of of the airport well then what are you still doing there well well no place else to go really i mean we're about uh...
all probably about two miles from metro detroit airport do me a favor send me an email william and give me your real name that way i'll be able to identify the fact that uh...
your dream i mean you might not be around and the audience would want to know yeah send me an email with your name so i can check your list against casualty i guess it my computer for an hour time to get that thing online mobile and that do i will send you a email but i i i'd love bill you understand my reasoning right are you out on telling the two people having the same dream is it was a but so i think that that we don't know about yes and uh...
you will let the at the very least go down are you and your wife as both having powers of premonition right possibly
honored honored after you're gone out well that would be appreciated so i think i can honor me but many white well well that's a hard night center that email and good luck with your computer i mean you know bad enough if you're in the house of an airport you have a dream that your house is you know smashed by an airplane event your wife has the same very same dream if you're not packing and maybe you're not listening
the high desert in the middle of the night under a full moon a very full moon this is coast to coast and don't forget top of the hour comes dr. Roger Lear on the night of breaking news about Brazil ending all of the secrecy that's it baby they're done with
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The way this thing would work is it's a vertical chain.
And it's got pill-shaped cells for the links.
Like it would be hollow, probably metal, some heavy material that would be hollow where they would be buoyant.
On one side of this chain, you have a tank or a reservoir where the chain would pass through the bottom of it, have a seal at the bottom, and it would force the chain up on one side.
And it has a shiv at the top and a shiv at the bottom.
They're in production, and they're getting ready to start selling them for $47,000, I think, is what it was.
And then the other one was he invented, I guess it would be an ultrasound speaker to where when he points this beam of light, it would turn like an entire wall into a speaker.
Or he could point it at a person, and that person would hear the sound, but the person next to him would not hear it.
So I just thought you might want to check that out on Streamlink.
I just heard this guy talking about this gravity thing he has.
But I had a question, and I actually called last week as well, and I didn't get on.
But I wanted to talk to Art about the gravity hill phenomenon across the country.
I mean, I went to one of these the other day, and I don't understand why it works.
And so I looked on the internet, and I found some other places, you know, all around the country where they have the same phenomenon of where your car pushes itself up a hill.
Or in this case, somebody told me a bottle would do it as well.
And I don't know what, you know, I don't have any idea what it's all about or how it works.
I mean, it's not like anybody got out there and pushed them.
These babies go all by themselves.
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Yeah, and it's very strange.
I mean, I've heard people say things like it could be a magnetic field, but I don't even really know what that means, to be honest with you, or how to find out why this happens.
Because it's happened.
I've done this twice before, once as a teenager when I was living in Kansas, and then I had forgotten about it until a few weeks ago when I did this out here where I live in San Bernardino as well.
Well, I've often wondered why somebody doesn't go camp out, you know, putting a video camera right on the rocks in Death Valley, as an example, and catching them moving.
They move in the middle of the night.
And the next morning, there's this big trail there.
Well, let's catch one of these babies rolling along.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
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Oh, hi.
This is Bill.
I'm calling from the Imperial Valley, not too far from you.
And the bottom line to all of this, he saw something like what was on TV, I take it.
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Well, no.
What happened was, I guess it was his brother or brother-in-law was in the Army.
And back in 1947, I think that's when it happened, this Roswell thing, his brother or brother-in-law, one of them, had come to him and told him they had found a crashed ship and some bodies out in the desert.
And I don't know how much more they talked about because he had to get back up there with his wife.
But the one thing that he said was that his brother or brother-in-law had told him is, whatever you do, make sure that you don't mention this to anybody or you or your family will disappear.
And he told him this about the government coming in and taking him.
And Jim, all these years, since 1947, evidently, was so scared that he never told another person about this or said anything about it until he saw it on TV.
And there are people who also make that very same claim.
That indeed a saucer crashed, and its occupants and the saucer itself and whatever was left were all transported first to another part of Texas and then to Wright Pat Air Force Base, where God only knows what was done with them.
We're going to talk about what has happened in Brazil.
And the synchronicity of what we're doing tonight is that Brazil suddenly, today, announced they're going to just open up all their UFO files to the world.
When I think of UFOs in Brazil, I automatically think of Dr. Roger Lear.
Matter of fact, he just finished a book called UFO Crash in Brazil.
And so obvious, and we've been told a lot here.
So obviously I think of Dr. Lear when the subject of Brazil comes up.
And like the biggest news you could imagine breaking over the UFO community this night, we've got a story entitled Major UFO Breakthrough in Brazil.
That's it.
The Brazilians are going to open their UFO files to the world.
And that's a pretty big story.
I mean, imagine if it were the U.S. opening our files to the world.
But Brazil, nevertheless, where there's been a hell of a lot of UFO activity, is just going to throw its files open.
They have chosen people in ufology in Brazil to make these documents available to.
And these people have been allowed into some of the most secret government installations in Brazil to receive this information.
It is a pretty exciting story, to be sure.
So who better to have on tonight?
On the very day the story breaks.
I called him up about it earlier than Dr. Roger Lear.
Dr. Lear, author of Aliens and the Scalpel, has been said to be one of the world's most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of ufology.
He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged alien abductees.
This resulted in the removal of 10 separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants.
These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious labs in the world.
Their findings have been baffling, and some comparisons have been made to meteorite-like samples.
Dr. Lear anticipates performing more surgeries in the future and will investigate the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon.
He has also formed a non-profit organization for this purpose called ANS Research Inc.
It's that what was going on was secret because so many times, as you well realize, Art, in this strange field of ufology, people make claims to various things.
Yes, I know the whole story via A.J. Gavard, who was one of the leading ufological researchers in Brazil.
I've worked with him many times.
Hover, I've been down there, as you know, many times, and he's set things up for me to investigate various aspects of ufology in Brazil.
The individuals that were involved also, I know them all.
They're all friends of mine and very sincere investigators who absolutely have nothing to gain from any of the work.
They're just very, very sincere.
The first thing that happened was that AJ, through UFO magazine Brazil, started a campaign to get the secrecy away from the government and where it belongs out to the people.
So what he did was he started a petition drive through the magazine and got, I guess, thousands of signatures asking the government to release this information.
I know, but normally that results in a complete brick wall.
I mean, you can hand them millions of signatures and nothing happens.
Hold on.
This is a good hook for everybody, but in this case.
Well, we'll find out.
I wonder if the government was ready to do it anyway, and they just used this as a sort of a, I don't know, look how responsive we are kind of deal to let it happen at this moment, or if they really did have that effect, I wonder.
So here, you know, they didn't have what we have here.
There's no Freedom of Information Act in Brazil.
They don't have the opportunity to go through a government institution and ask for information as we are guaranteed to have here, only to get it and have 90% of it blacked out with a black pen or now modernized, white out.
So they don't have that at all.
So they were seeking some similar opportunity.
Now, with that, you've got to remember that on my website years ago, I put up a document that was signed by Daniel Golden from NASA with agreement with the Brazilians, and they were supposed to turn over any non-terrestrial material to us for further development.
Then the Brazilians were guaranteed to share in the proceeds of the U.S. investigation development of those materials.
So we've got to remember that.
Then I have also documents as to how the government was supposed to handle UFOs, period, which was written way back in the 1960s.
So you take all those factors and then you ask the big question, what's going on now?
Is it the government or is it a branch of the government like the Air Force?
Now, I always remember Bob Dean's story about the fights that used to go on in Europe when the UFOs went over Europe and they couldn't find out a doggone thing from the government.
So the military got together, according to what Bob has to say, and did their own investigation.
Well, how do we know that the Air Force, in this case, is not pretty sick about not being told what's going on?
As a matter of fact, in a conversation that AJ had with one of the leading Air Force generals is where this all started in the first place.
He got a strange phone call, and he was absolutely bowled over, thought it was a joke or somebody was after him.
The general called and said that he would like to talk to him about the release of certain amounts of information.
Well, AJ couldn't believe what he was hearing.
So he, in another conversation, had told him that they were literally kept in the dark.
I mean, they had the documents.
They had all the reports, everything, and big investigations of three major UFO flaps in Brazil, ending with one in 1986, where there were literally thousands of UFOs and interactions occurring in one file alone.
There's over 100 pictures, I understand.
So AJ didn't know whether to believe it or not.
So that's about the time when I began to hear about this information.
Well, it's speculative, but I know of the three cases and the three flaps that they're releasing information on, and they are the three biggest ones that were ever investigated by the Brazilian researchers.
That's almost like saying, Art, well, let's take the crash at Roswell and the Trent photos and a couple other things, and we're going to release that to the public here in the U.S. and tell everybody all about it.
So if you make that comparison, I think that these are three major things.
I mean, look, even if it's a sort of last kicker story, for the general public, a whole country like Brazil opening their files, no, that's a big story.
I always thought that there was a possibility that some release of information could come out of Brazil, but I really expected that it would come out of a more renegade country like France, because I was over in France.
They invited me to attend an SSE meeting over there, and a strange thing happened there was that they almost canceled the meeting when they heard that I was going to be there.
And then they wanted to know if I would appear at sort of a small secret meeting.
And I did.
And there was about 15 scientists there, interestingly enough, including one member of the French Space Administration and one member of the Department of the Interior.
Gee whiz, Doctor, I'm recalling that not too many years ago, the French had this big committee of scientists who shocked the world by saying they believed that the evidence for UFOs justified a large government investigation, an official investigation, right?
Well, here I am talking about a subject on UFOs, and you're talking about a very famous worldwide academic who are talking about astrophysics and chemistry and all the little subjects.
I was also curious about a little something I read in there, that some of what you have removed, when examined, has been compared to meteorite material.
Well, some of the metallurgy looks like a meteorite.
A large amount of them contain iron, for example, and they contain nickel, and they contain other things that are found in meteorites.
But the perplexing thing that came forth of the scientists who rendered this efficient opinion was that the nickel-iron ratio wasn't quite right for a meteorite.
Well, you've got to remember, too, that all these things that we send out are blind studies.
Nobody's told where they come from.
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They could have fallen off of the back of a camel for all they know.
I guess we should take the time and trouble to roll over what you know and have experienced in Brazil.
I know it's a pretty good-sized story, but I mean, we should give people a sense of the magnitude of the stories that are going to be broken open officially in Brazil.
We're talking about, of course, the very famous Vartinia case of 1996 and how this case today, in my opinion and others also, represents something that's even more important than Roswell.
Now, my gosh, who am I to say anything like that?
Since Roswell is the United States phenomenon that we've all been talking about for many, many, many years.
Several reasons in comparison.
One, both involve the crash of what appears to be a non-terrestrial vehicle.
In the Roswell case, there's a lot of emphasis that's placed on the vehicle.
Did it crash alone or with two other vehicles, one in Socorro and the other possibly in the plains of St. Augustine.
A lot of emphasis placed on the crash, the material, the debris field, and all that sort of stuff.
But in the Brazil case, there's not much emphasis placed on the crash, which occurred actually the night of January the 19th, 1996.
A farmer saw something that was coming down with smoke or vapor sort of coming out of one end of it, and he looked at it and he saw that there was evidently a piece missing.
So he got quite curious, didn't know whether this was some military thing or whatever.
Well, if he could make a judgment that there was a piece missing, that means he saw enough detail of the craft to understand the symmetry of it and see some part of that missing, right?
It was a cylindrical craft, and as I said, you couldn't tell whether it was the front end or the back end, but from the direction it was going, it looked like it was the after end.
And it was releasing smoke or vapor or whatever you call it.
But it did fly around for a while until it finally impacted with the field.
And he watched the impact occur, and there was a lot of debris also from this piece.
The largest piece left over was about the size of a Volkswagen bus.
But almost immediately, the Brazilian military, the army, was there.
And they saw him on his truck, and they asked him quite strongly to leave.
Well, Brazilians, you know, for many, many years have had a different kind of government than we've had.
It's kind of a jack-booted thug government they had up until the late 50s when the Brazilian Civil War came about.
Dr. Roger Lear is here, just describing a disc that was on its way toward crashing with an obvious piece missing out of it.
Farmer sees it.
Military shows up, tells Farmer to go away.
farmer decides not to go away and watches and will pick it up at that point in a moment the
Doctor, last night I interviewed a truck driver who had some lights following him disagreeably Over his truck for quite a period of time.
He finally got fed up with it, pulled his truck over at a stop, pulled out his 45, and pumped several slugs into these damn things that were just above his truck.
I advised him against shooting at UFOs.
However, you described something coming down, smoke trailing it, with an apparent piece missing.
So now that we got that cleared up, yeah, a piece missing out of it, smoking.
And then we find out from the Brazilian investigators later on that it was NORAD that notified the Brazilian military when this was coming down and exactly where it was coming down.
Well, we know that NORAD can track things in space right down to the nuts and bolts that are loose and in orbit, so NORAD would be able to notify them that something like that was occurring.
That accounts for the Brazilian military being on hand.
Now, I'm sure their story, our story, NORAD's story, would be that it was re-entering space junk.
Now, the recovery operation consisted of several military trucks, and they went to the area, saw the large piece, which I understand was about the size of a Volkswagen bus.
And what they did was they eventually brought in a crane because this thing was too heavy to lift up on the back of one of their trucks.
So once the large piece was removed, it was reported that they spread out about hand in hand and made their way across the field with metal detectors and garbage bags and picked everything up, threw all the bags in the back of these trucks, and went on their happy, merrily little way.
Now, it just so happens that this, as I said, was the night of February the 19th.
On February the 20th, now I have to say that one of the things I tried to do in the book was to eliminate the rumors from what was fact as obtained by the Brazilian researchers and directly from the witnesses.
In fact, I labeled a whole chapter in the book rumors.
In other words, these were unsubstantiated things.
So what I'm going to talk about is only the things that we know because of either very sincere investigation or eyewitness testimony.
So the following morning, at 8 o'clock in the morning, a Brazilian contingency was seen not too far from that area and engaged in a rather strange activity.
And where officers from the intelligence service went down an embankment and captured a being which was described by numerous people as being relatively short, between four and five feet tall, having a body that was brown-skinned, very oily, large red eyes.
We have people like carpenters who were up on a roof doing their work and turned around and saw them attracted by the military and saw them go down the embankment.
So if all of this is, is it your anticipation that all of this is going to be released in the documents the Brazilian government now promises to unleash on the world?
Well, so far, I don't know if anything is being released on the Fartinha case.
And that may be because there was definitely U.S. military involvement with this case.
The ones that are solely involved with Brazil happenings there, which the U.S. didn't have much to do with, that might be the information that's released.
But we know so much about the Vargina case now.
There's really not much that the Brazilian government can release.
Well, you've got to start somewhere, and we can only hope by the time that it's all done, if it all comes out, we're going to know everything that transpired for many, many years in Brazil, and probably not too much different than what occurred in other places in the world.
Less than five feet tall, brown in color, very smooth, the skin kind of oily, large head, big red eyes, kind of upturned at the end, no hair, and three little protuberances on the top of the head going from the front to the back, one on each side, one in the middle.
Beings evidently didn't make any noise As far as we know, but there were some individuals who said that they heard a sound like a buzzing sound.
So we got two different types of testimony in reference to whether they made any sound.
Now that occurred on January the 20th at 8 o'clock in the morning.
Now around 8 p.m. two military intelligence service officers captured another creature that was trying to cross the street.
And this creature was injured.
We talked about him on the last show what happened.
But in the middle, between 8 a.m. when the military contingent captured a creature going down in the woods and 8 p.m. when the one was picked up crossing the street, three girls, young teenage girls on their way home from work taking a shortcut, saw something kneeling by a concrete block wall.
And as they got closer to it, they thought it was a child.
And approaching it even closer, they got a better look.
And they saw, again, the creature that we previously described, it was kneeling at this wall.
And when the first girl saw it, she thought she'd seen the devil.
And that made her as terrified as the first young girl, and she turned around.
The third girl also looked at the creature, and so the three of them ran home.
Now, two of these were sisters, and one was a friend.
They informed the mother of what happened, and the mother, who didn't have an automobile, ran to the neighbors and got the neighbor to drive her back to the spot where the girls saw this being, and by that time there was nothing there.
Now, interestingly enough, when I was there, I got a good gauge of the distance between where the girls saw this creature kneeling and where the two military police officers picked up this creature trying to cross the street.
In fact, I have some video footage and photos standing on the corner where the police officers, the military intelligence officers picked up this being.
And I could look up the street and see exactly the wall where the girl saw it.
So it was probably the same creature.
Didn't get too far.
Now, some rumors have it that as many as 11 creatures were seen around in Barcelona at various times.
But for sure, what we know, again, from eyewitness testimony, is that there were two.
Now, there was another episode that occurred a little bit later in the morning where, again, a military contingent and the fire department came to the same area where the first creature was captured at 8 o'clock in the morning.
And again, eyewitnesses watched both the fire department and the army from a base called Sergeant's Camp, which was not that far away, watch their activities.
Some report a little bit of an argument going on as to maybe whose province this was.
Now, the fire department in Brazil is a branch of the military service.
It's not like what we have here.
And they're engaged in a number of different operations, which can be military and civilian.
They can capture a wild animal, put out a fire.
They can also rescue air rescue or sea rescue, floods, and so on.
And then yet they carry rifles, and they are part of the military.
So here was two different branches of the military evidently having an argument with each other about something to do with the capture of one of these creatures.
Now, as I stood on this construction overhang, which now exists at the same spot, I was able to look down on the hill where all this took place.
And the military people had to climb over a fence and down a rather steep embankment.
And once they got to the bottom, there was a railroad track.
And they had to cross the railroad track, all this, mind you, continually going downhill until they got to this little small field.
And then adjoining the field was a wooded area.
Well, they chased this creature into the wooded area.
Now, at this point, witnesses say that two shots rang out.
And in a few minutes, two of the Brazilian army representatives came out, each carrying a sack over his shoulder.
In one sack, there were movements, seen, like something kicking.
The other sack, there was no movement whatsoever.
They struggled to carry the sacks and what they had with them, their gear, back up the hill.
It took them quite some time until they got there.
Then these sacks were emptied into two different boxes on the trucks, and the trucks were covered with a canvas overlay, and off they went to a sergeant's camp.
Now, the story of Arginia gets very, very complex, and we have to sort of take it apart each at a time.
Let's go first to the military intelligence officers who captured the being that was trying to cross the street.
Now, one of these police officers, a young man, Marco Eli Sharizi, very healthy, young Brazilian military person, went out from the car while his companion stayed in the car.
And he put his arm around this creature, but he wasn't wearing any protective gear.
He wasn't wearing any gloves.
And he assisted the creature into the car, got in, and set him on his lap.
And the interview that I did with the wife was the most unusual interview that I have ever done with anyone because she couldn't answer any of the questions that I asked her.
What were the symptoms that your husband had before you was taken to the hospital?
She said, I don't know.
I said, did you visit your husband in the hospital?
Yes, but they wouldn't let me see him.
What kind of symptoms do you think he had when he was in the hospital?
I don't know.
And on and on and on and on.
Were you given the medical record?
No.
Were you given the cause of death?
No.
Were you given a death certificate?
No.
Do you receive any subsistence from the Brazilian military?
No.
Do you receive any subsistence at all from the Brazilian government?
No.
Do you have children?
Yes.
And how do you exist?
I don't know.
Now, just from that alone and standing there talking to this lady with an interpreter, I mean, it didn't take too much.
You didn't have to be a rogue scholar to realize that this woman had been severely intimidated.
She was going to tell nothing.
In contrast, Marco's sister gave a pretty good report to a British television station, and she described the symptoms of Marco Elishazi in great detail.
And said that he started complaints with an abscess under the armpit.
He had a fever.
Finally, he had trouble breathing, extreme pain in his back, and nobody seemed to know what was wrong with him.
Now that remained that way until August of last year, right before I almost finished the book.
And I was able to get a report and include it almost in the last chapter of the book because an individual came forth, a Dr. Cesario Lincoln Furtado, came forth and told how he was the doctor who was in charge of the treatment of Marco Eli Shereze.
In the world of ufology, I very seriously doubt it gets any better than this on a night when Brazil is announcing it's going to throw its files open to the world, nearly the first country to have done so, and a big country where lots of action has gone on.
We have Dr. Roger Lear, who's in the middle of telling us one of ufology's absolute best stories, in my opinion.
And we've got this craft, obviously damaged, with a piece missing, to me indicating it probably was shot down by somebody, and I don't think Brazil would have been that somebody, notified by NORAD.
And then we've got creatures eyewitnessed by any number of people, and even more than that, actually held on a military man's lap.
And then all of a sudden he, of course, gets mortally sick and dies of what?
Well, we just, well, something to do with the immune system.
So we have a Dr. Armando, who is a general surgeon, and the hospital he saw the patient in was Hospital Regional, which is a fairly good-sized hospital in the downtown of Argenia.
We have a Dr. Renee, who is a cardiologist, again, Hospital Regional.
We have a Dr. Cesario Alincanfurtado, who is the person I just mentioned, cardiologist.
He was at Hospital Bom Pastur, which is not, again, that far away.
Then we have a Dr. Rogerio Rimos, an orthopedic surgeon, Hospital Bom Pastor, again.
And then we have Alberto Cedaro de Piva, another orthopedic surgeon who is at Hospital Regional.
Yes, they all saw the patient at two different hospitals.
So there's no way in the world that you can see that this gentleman didn't get the very best of care.
Now, here's the way it went.
On January the 20th, 1996, Officer Shazeti takes part in the capture of the creature.
And after a few days, he develops a little tumor similar to a fur uncle, you know, like a little boil.
And this appears in the armpit.
It becomes abscessed, and it was drained.
This was done at the hospital Bon Pastor.
On February the 12th, he arrives at Hospital Regional, and he's taken from there almost immediately to Hospital Bon Pastor with severe pains in his back.
There he was seen by the cardiologist Dr. Rene.
Examinations were carried out and two antibiotics were prescribed and administered.
One was penicillin and the other was chantomyosin.
Suspecting some kind of a urinary tract infection, which was going to supposedly produce the pain in his back.
February the 13th, the following day, his health status diminishes and he continues to remain quite unstable.
On the 14th, the officer spends a day in the hospital all day long with a fever, severe pains in his back, some difficulty breathing.
They thought he had pneumonia and didn't understand why the antibiotics were taking effect.
February the 15th, he awakens, he's tired, fatigued, he feels generalized numbness and begins to show some cyanosis, which is the skin changing color because of the lack of oxygen.
And this is most characterized as what we call a bacteremia, with that means that there's bacteria that's circulating in the blood and a possible septicemia.
Now, septicemia is different than a bacteremia because septicemia means that there are toxins coming from somewhere that are circulating in his blood.
They do not have to do anything they don't want to do.
Cause of death, unknown.
In less than 20 days, three bacteria attacked the officer, it was written.
One was in his arm.
Some days before, he was cured.
Afterwards, he had a urinary tract infection with Enterobacter.
Now, that came back from the lab reports.
That, they say, he caused his death, which was a lie.
There was also another infection in his lungs.
That is another bacteria.
And this is all indicated by Dr. Furtado.
Now, when you look at the lab reports, which I have done, and you take that with the testimony of his sister, you got a whole different picture because his sister describes his high spiking fevers,
his thirst, loss of appetite, amaziated appearance, strange color in skin, and what's more important, well, she describes engorgement of his eyes with blood.
Well, it was supposedly buried, and they're trying to get the body interned.
But guess what?
They're having a lot of difficulty doing that.
And I've got a sneaking suspicion there is no body.
Because, you know, not just trying to keep the fact that maybe a UFO crashed with alien beings running around town, but maybe one of them had a terrible viral infection, an Ebola-like infection.
Don't you think that's a good reason to put the hat on this?
Yes, I would say it would be a very good reason because that would mean any contact perhaps with one of these aliens or any alien could result in what you just described.
And all of this came down on an apparent very healthy man who was how old?
Despite the antibiotics, the infection was getting worse.
After his death, his body was taken for an autopsy, which revealed a urinary tract infection caused by Enderobacter that was confirmed by examinations at hospital Bompastor.
There was also a lung infection and small pneumonia.
There could have been a congenital immunodeficiency.
Is that a laugh?
Congenital immunodeficiency in a 23-year-old, young, healthy, military fellow?
You know, it's just marvelous to find a hospital that even has an ICU.
Now, the two doctors that came for us and talked in this case, the other one was an orthopedic surgeon.
And they had to quarantine or cordon off one section of the same hospital, which was Hospital Regional, where this being was treated, which we can go into next.
So here we have the guy that sort of saves his butt, takes him to the hospital.
First, incidentally, I don't know what I mentioned, he was taken to a first aid station.
And there he was examined, and they decided they couldn't do anything with the poor guy.
So that's when they took him to Hospital Regionale.
And then comes the doctor I interviewed, who was there in the hospital and saw a gradual influx of military people.
But he said that this wasn't surprising because the military would bring in injured victims from time to time from whatever they had happened on the base.
And so to see military people in the hospital was not surprising.
But as the night wore on, there was more of them, and they actually cordoned off a section of the hospital.
And, you know, writing the book, which took me quite some time, and discussing it even in the time that we have on the air, we're only highlighting a few of the features of the case.
So, you know, if someone is interested, and I certainly can't see why they wouldn't be, they've got to get a book and read what's in there because I've got almost the latest information.
Let me pull all the way back to the crashing vehicle with the piece missing and smoke.
Do you think, doctor, that it's worth speculating that the United States shot this thing, shot at this thing, and that NORAD damn well knew where it was going to come down because they were tracking it after we did whatever we did?
Well, even if they don't have that intent and their intent is quite benign, and you do shoot at them, I think, you know, by all means, they certainly have a right to defend themselves.
But, you know, it always amuses me that we look at non-terrestrial beings in the strict sense that there's some organized affair like in Star Trek, the Federation of Planets.
How do we know, for example, that Joe Kluck on planet Zig, about, oh, in this neighborhood, only about four light years away, gets the weekend off.
And he says to the wife, hey, I'm going to go down to Joe's saucer lot.
I'm going to rent a saucer, grab the kids, we'll pack lunch.
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We'll hear about this crazy little blue planet out there in one of the arms of the Milky Way.
Dr. Lear, Don in New York, New York, obviously listening to the mighty station I grew up with, WABC 77 in New York, says, obvious question, Art, why would somebody, anybody, put a creepy-looking alien on their lap?
And it was his impression that they were certainly telling the truth.
I didn't go there with the purpose of trying to decide whether they were telling the truth.
I went there, as I said originally, looking for physical evidence.
But the interviews with the girls I wanted to do from another reason.
I'm surprised that Dr. Mack didn't do it.
I wanted to know if they or the mother had some relationship to the abduction phenomena.
And I found some rather strange things in that note.
But the second girl, who was the youngest, as I stated originally, stood there a couple of seconds longer and noticed that the being turned around and looked at her.
And I questioned her as to why she thought this was something other than an animal.
I said, are you sure this is not an animal?
I realize you live.
It's not too far from where wild animals are seen.
And she said, no, this was not an animal.
I mean, she was absolutely adamant.
And I said, did you think that this creature or whatever it was you saw had intelligence?
And she said, absolutely.
Now, she was the only one of the three that said that.
But as I said, she saw him turn his head and look directly at her.
The experience that the orthopedic surgeon had, which we can talk about again later, certainly proves that this was not an animal.
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And again, as I said, it was not creepy and not crusty.
Oh, yeah, there were numerous things that went through my mind.
I mean, number one, like I said, there was no security there.
I'd like to see you land in the smallest airport in the United States in some kind of a commercial liner and have people just bust out of the terminal and run out to the runway.
Well, these were people who were greeting an arriving plane.
You just don't do that.
So, yeah, I was kind of shook up.
Who knows what was going on?
Maybe I was going to be arrested when I walked down the stairs.
But the first thing that happened was that someone stuck out their hand and started shaking hands with me, and another fellow popped up as the interpreter and told me that the gentleman that I had just shook hands with was the mayor.
You know, me?
Who in the heck am I to receive a reception from a mayor of a city?
All right, but this could be a motive, though, for staging an entire event.
And maybe you, as a great American ufologist, coming to investigate this and validate it and make it a very important place that people would want to visit.
And people started coming forth that would volunteer to talk to me.
They wouldn't talk to anybody before.
And one of them was this physician that was at Hospital Regionale.
And he didn't want to talk to me as a UFO researcher.
I think he just wanted to talk to me because I was a colleague.
And there was nobody else for him to talk to for six years.
So the interview was probably one of the most emotional events that ever occurred to me in my life.
Here's a guy who starts out by telling us that all this was rumors.
These were things that he'd heard from his friends and colleagues in the hospital.
He had no first-hand knowledge of any Of this, and then winds up at the end of the interview sitting in a chair with his hands shaking, his head lowered, and tears running down his cheeks.
So, you know, that's his disclaimer at the beginning was absolute nonsense.
One of the things I found at the beginning when I was introduced to him, he spoke almost no English, and I don't speak that much Portuguese.
And he asked me to come with him privately, and he took me into one of the examining rooms, and he had a patient on the table who had a fracture of a foot with x-rays up on the view box.
And he motioned for me to look at the foot and look at the x-rays.
And I was very happy to oblige.
And during that session, where we went ahead and I assisted him in putting a cast on the foot, we were able to talk in medical terminology.
Well, he talked from the beginning the happenings of that night and how he saw an increase in military personnel in the hospital.
And he didn't really think that much of it because sometimes they brought in accident cases from the base and so on.
But he saw something that he felt was sort of strange.
The military personnel were guarding certain doorways and the hospital and civilian personnel were not allowed to go in or out.
But he just went on doing what he usually does.
At one point, he was asked by two military police officers to accompany him, and he was taken into the wing that they had cordoned off.
And this part of it was the surgery suites.
And he was asked to scrub for a case.
And when he inquired as to what kind of a case it was, they wouldn't tell him anything.
So he did, and he finished a scrub gown and then went into the surgical room.
And there was a military guard on the outside, on the door.
And basically, he was told not to come out until the job was done.
Not knowing what the job was supposed to be or what he was supposed to do there.
So he looked at the patient on the table, and the patient was covered up with a drape sheet, and he was still doing his preparation.
They had x-rays up on a view box, and he said, well, you know, he thought it was a child with some sort of fracture because he is an orthopedic surgeon.
So he looked at the x-rays, and he told me the first thing that he saw was he recognized the bone structure, and this would have been the femur, which is the bone in the thigh.
But when he was looking at it, he thought that the victim had severe osteoporosis because he saw these large, what do you call lacunae in the bones, the cavities and bone, like sometimes you find in an older person who has severe osteoporotic bone.
And the body was hairless, no hair on the head, the arms, on the torso.
The head, the color was brown, and the skin was oily.
And there was a set of external blood vessels like varicose veins that coursed up the shoulders and did not go up into the neck, but were only on the shoulders.
The head was, he said, quite large in proportion to the torso.
And the face had two large upturned eyes that were red in color, but he did not want to look this creature in the eye.
And he said, I asked him why, and he said he really didn't know.
He just didn't want to look it in the eye.
But what he did see was that the eyes looked like two pools of liquid and gave this very strange feeling, which made him definitely not want to look it in the eye at all.
On the top of the head were three protuberances that ran from the front above the forehead to the back that stuck out about an inch.
And after he saw the face and neck, he had no doubts in his mind that this was not a human being.
Then he went on to, again, he described how the fingers worked.
And he didn't know whether they were multi-jointed fingers or whether they were composed of some kind of soft cartilage that could bend.
But he said the hand could do anything that we could do with our hand without the use of the thumb.
He said there was no navel, there was no umbilicus, no belly button, there was no external genitalia seen.
The legs, he said, were quite muscular and short.
And there was a normal-looking knee without a visible patella.
It was the kneecap.
You didn't really see a kneecap.
We got down to the foot.
The legs just sort of went into the foot without the normal appearance of a human ankle.
He talked about the toes, there being three large, very fleshy toes with no toenails.
But he described another appendage which came off the center portion, like if you're looking at your foot, the mid-arch area, the side of the arch, and there was an appendage that he called a vestigial appendage.
Now, I don't know where he got that idea.
But he said it hung down in a relaxed position so that it was 90 degrees to the long axis of the foot.
And on the end of this appendage was about a three-quarter of an inch claw.
But when the being walked, which was later, he saw that he took that appendage and made it parallel with the foot and just walked like a normal human being.
Uber Jara, who was sitting there listening to the testimony, when he talked about this appendage, he sat straight up in his chair and got kind of wild-eye.
And I looked at him and I said, you know, does that mean something to you?
Well, you know, monkeys have what's called a monkey grooming claw.
And when I went through all that research that we did on the Gary Lowry case with the so-called claw, we found that certain animals have claws for grooming.
You would think something of this magnitude, working on an alien creature, they would want to memorialize every second of it from the military point of view.
Well, I bet you bottom dollar that if it occurred here, there would have been a camera in each corner of the room, and it would have been a sterile environment, and they wouldn't have been just wearing a scrub suit and a mask.
They would have been wearing a helmet, and the air would have been evacuated, and they would have been using a re-reading system.
Jumping to the end, supposedly the bodies were taken to the University of Campinas, and it was that area that during the Civil War, some tunnels were dug and rooms were set up.
Well, since that was just yesterday, you know, we wouldn't expect to find any difference.
But today, today, you would go in and they would tell you everything that was going to happen to you, even having a general anesthesia, the possibility you might die.
And if it was an operating room, when I started this, which was a good number of years ago, we used to go into surgery, and it was very light-hearted, and it was fun.
You enjoyed doing what you're doing.
If you wanted to crack a joke, you cracked a joke.
Today you go in, there's a camera in either corner of the room, while your conversation is being recorded.
You better not smile even under your mask or somebody will detect it, and that's negligence.
And he kind of chuckled at that point and said, no, it was the same color as human blood.
It was red, and I asked him about the condition.
Oh, yeah, they took samples and they sent it to the lab and they ran all kinds of tests on it and looked for the electrolytes and things.
And he said the cellular structure was very similar to human blood with the exception that the small white cells, the platelets, were, I think he said, tenfold over what it is in the human body.
And he said the blood would clot almost immediately when it came out of the blood vessel.
But he didn't know whether that was because of the increased number of platelets or whether the blood was being introduced into an atmosphere that was far different than what it was used to.
I said, what condition was the alien in when, or the being in when he left the hospital facility with a military guard?
And he very specifically said to me he was in satisfactory medical condition.
Now that art is a very specific medical term.
You talk about any dignitary or actor or actress that's reported in a hospital and they tell you what condition.
It's critical.
It's satisfactory, etc., etc.
So when you say satisfactory condition, that means that all vital signs are present and the patient is ambulatory.
That means they can walk okay and they can breathe and everything is functioning well.
That is the condition that this creature left the hospital with a military escort.
He was taken immediately and put into a military truck and from there witnesses outside of the hospital said that the trucks left the back portion of Humanitas Hospital and immediately took him to another hospital.
Now we don't know whether something transpired after it left the hospital general or whatever the reason, but they took him to another hospital.
Now shall we talk again about the last thing that happened in the operating room?
Please.
I asked the doctor, as any curious person would ask medical and otherwise, did you have any communication with this creature?
And he said, well, I'm going to tell you something that happened in the operating room.
You can believe it or not.
He said, when we had almost finished the surgery, he said the room began to fill with a greenish haze.
He said he didn't know whether it was coming from the creature or whether it was coming from somewhere else.
He didn't know whether it was going to be toxic.
They didn't smell anything.
And as the room filled with this greenish haze, he turned around and he saw that the source of it was the being laying on the table.
He lost eyes with the creature, which he didn't want to do.
And he said at this point, he could not remove his eyes.
And he said that it downloaded into his head, it was the best way he could describe it, these thought grams.
And he said it was like somebody had physically taken a rubber hammer and hit him over the head time after time after time after time, resulting in something that was akin to the worst possible migraine headache with nausea and vomiting, which lasted for over two weeks.
So I asked him if he would tell us what this creature told him, and he said, I am only going to tell you two things.
And that were two things that it talked about in relation to the human race.
And he said that they, wherever they or wherever they come from, felt sorry for human beings.
And I said, why?
And he said, for two main reasons.
Number one, that human beings had the capability of doing everything that they could do.
And as an example, he said it would not be necessary for wherever he came from to be brought to a facility to have the repair done to his body that he had done here.
That they could either do it singly or they could join together and heal.
So he just takes us out the back door into a military vehicle, and he's taken to another hospital, and then within the 24-hour period, a small casket is seen being taken out of the back door of that hospital, and with him inside, as reported by medical personnel that were in the hospital.
Monday and Tuesday, the wives were out doing the things like wives do here, getting their hair done, nails and so on, complaining to their operators that their husbands didn't come home that weekend and their plans were ruined.
Everything that they had planned, doing this and doing that, and what kind of a lousy excuse did they have?
The husbands were chasing aliens around the countryside.
And there, we know also from other testimony that an autopsy was done, and we know who did it.
a very famous Brazilian pathologist by the name of Baden Palares.
He, if you remember, was the...
Because the witnesses there at the university said that he was there doing the autopsy.
We got the testimony.
Also, he was a teacher there and held classes, and the class members knew that he was doing an autopsy on some kind of a non-human, non-terrestrial being.
And they asked him, they pushed him, they begged him as part of the class structure for further information.
And he told them, he said, I will never talk about this in your lifetime.
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You know, with the quality of eyewitness testimony in this case that we've heard about, for example, tonight so far with Dr. Lear, I think it's clear that in the sense that this is contemporary, there is as much, if not more, evidence of alien life in this case than there was in Roswell.
At least as much as.
And it's so contemporary.
I mean, it virtually just happened.
As the doctor pointed out, the people are young.
Brazilians are given to talk about these subjects as evidenced by their government's announcement just to release all the information they have on ufology.
Hopefully, it would include something of this magnitude.
But in that way, it is bigger than Roswell, right, Doctor?
Certainly, we touched on some of the major events of the case.
And probably we should finish by saying that the story does not end with the events of the week of January the 20th or the death of the military police officer,
because three months later, an individual who was giving a party at the local Marginia Zoo in a small room, which I visited in a secluded area of the zoo.
The zoo is very jungle-like in Marginia.
And she stepped out on the porch during this little party and decided to have a cigarette.
So she lit up a cigarette, and as she turned to light the cigarette, she learned, she looked, and saw staring at her from the upper level of the porch a creature looking at her, which she described exactly the same way as the other eyewitnesses in the Virginia case,
except that this creature, she said, was wearing some kind of short helmet that was gold in color.
Is there any way for the witnesses, did they manage to discern, I mean, you told me quite a bit, but did they come to some conclusion about whether these beings were benign or whether they had, well, I don't know, evil, some kind of bad intent toward us?
There was no indication by any of the witnesses that any of the creatures that were involved in the capture by the Brazilian military or seen by civilian witnesses did anything To provoke anybody.
Certainly, the creature that the two military police officers stopped to help and one to pick up and take in his car, it was very evident that he gave almost no resistance whatsoever.
Even the creatures that the Brazilian Army and Fire Department chased through the clearing, into the little woods, only seemed to be running from them.
They did not seem to be hostile in any way.
And if one of them was shot, you know, again, we don't know exactly what happened because the witnesses could not see what happened in the little forested area.
Yeah, well, I think, you know, there's a greater chance from what's going on here, what's going on now, that, you know, we could possibly get this evidence.
Because if the Brazilian Air Force is turning this material over and it's going to become public knowledge, then somebody who has one of these documents say, okay, it's public knowledge.
But the people who might have something, you know, without it coming from the government or from the military, they might decide, well, look, the Air Force is letting stuff go.
Maybe these documents I took home, hey, I'll let people take a look at it.
In this case, there was no cause of death listed, not really.
So what specifically was said about your sister?
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Okay, every time they did an extraction of the material or bacteria or infection that was in her body, they never could get anything to grow so they could study it.
Well, it would be interesting to see what it says on the death certificate as the cause of death, because in the United States, no matter what state you're in, to meet all the legal qualifications, a cause of death must be listed.
We did cover that, but nevertheless, Doctor, what Ubajara Rodriguez, the chief investigator in the case, was so shocked About had to do with the fact that when he examined the area where the creature was kneeling by the wall, he found a little round hole in the ground at the area where the foot was.
And that was the explanation because there was probably this appendage that made the little round hole.
Well, I'll tell you what, that's a whole nother show.
and we've done shows on the implants but briefly doctor if you want to You remove these implants.
I think perhaps publicly at least you've removed more, and probably even in private, than any other doctor in the world of these sorts of suspected things, right?
And I've been in practice for 41 years, and before I ever got involved with the abduction phenomena or UFOs and this nature, I've extracted hundreds of things from the human foot, from paper to glass to hair, to nails, to whatever.
And in all cases, I can honestly say I was only interested in two things.
One was whether it came out satisfactory and it was all gone, or if there was any lesions in the area to know that they were benign and healed.
I never gave any thought to what these objects might be.
But in answer to the lady's question, we've now done 11 cases which produced 12 objects.
And 11 of these have had scientific interest, very most unusual findings.
I can still refer you to my first book, The Aliens and the Scalpel, which I think you can still get on amazon.com, or a case book, Alien Implants.
I think it's still available on the bookstores.
I'm coming out with a new second edition of the first book.
Have you come to any conclusions, Doctor, about the implants themselves, whether they're active, essentially, and controlling in some way, or simple listening and monitoring devices, or what?
I think they're, first of all, a form of advanced nanotechnology, and the purpose might be to transmit biological data that has to do with our changing DNA.
And I can't, I don't have nowhere near the time to go into all the details that made me reach that conclusion.
But I usually don't like to jump out and give answers for something that is conjecture.
But scientifically, you can advance a theory, but it has to be taken into the laboratory and either proven or disproven.
But at the present time, at the present date, 2005, after doing quite a few of these, that is my present feeling.
I don't even remember if I asked that question because I don't know if there would have been time enough for any medical personnel to have weighed the creature.
Dr. Lear, I'm a friend with Dr. Stephen Greer, and we probably had a representative visit to you.
His name is Dan from Hypertech.
Anyway, my question is: now I know they're going to put these documents on the internet somehow, but I think it would be a good idea if it had some officiation coming from the Brazilian government and posted on the Internet.
You know, somebody's got to have something somewhere.
Don't tell me, you know, that they did as good as they would do here.
I mean, even the report by the farmer talking about how the Brazilian military across the field, I'm sure with the training that's being done here with our military groups for crash retrieval far surpasses what they ever did there.
There may be something still laying in that field.