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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Roger Leir - Aliens in Brazil

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I'd like to bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zone, seeking everyone covered like a blanket by this program, Coast of Coast A.M. I'm Mark Bell.
		It's my honor and privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
		We will first look at the world news in a moment.
		Bleak as it normally is.
		Speaking of strange, tonight, here in the desert, oh, by the way, tonight's webcam photograph is indeed of our desert.
		We live out here in Sirius, Sirius Desert.
		Take a look.
		A photograph was taken.
		That's Ramona.
		Of course, that's my car with Ramona on the far side and our real desert in the background.
		It's taken between Baker, California, and here, just a few miles away, actually.
		I told you, we live out here in Sirius.
		That's where all this stuff happens.
		Just over the hill there, Area 51.
		So let's look quickly at World News.
		Laura Bush waded into the middle of Middle East tensions on Sunday during a chaotic visit to sacred religious sites where crowds and hecklers grew so rowdy that armed guards had to be called in to restrain them.
		America's First Lady said what she witnessed showed that passions are running high among Palestinians and Israelis.
		The United States, she said, will do what we can in this process.
		She said, urging both sides to work for peace and probably thinking about getting back on the airplane.
		This story.
		The Florida, the missing girl, there's an eight-year-old found alive.
		An eight-year-old, eight-year-old girl who had been sexually assaulted and then buried under rocks in a trash bin was found alive Sunday by an officer searching a landfill, said authorities.
		A teenager charged with attempted murder.
		The girl had minor injuries, was taken to a hospital.
		Hospital officials would not comment on her condition.
		You know, one day something is going to come down and shake this world like it's never been shaken before.
		And the people who do this kind of thing are going to be lowered into JC's pit of boiling sewage.
		U.S. airstrikes and ground troops killed 12 insurgents who had attacked a coalition patrol in eastern Afghanistan's border region in the latest wave of fighting with Taliban-led rebels.
		According to the U.S. Military Sunday, the U.S. called for Afghan human rights investigators to be allowed into Begram, the main U.S. base in Afghanistan, after New York Times reported poorly trained U.S. soldiers there had repeatedly abused prisoners.
		The next story, and tonight's guest, I mean, baby, you talk about synchronicity.
		As you know, tonight's guest, Dr. Roger Lear, is a heavyweight.
		And when you listen to him, he's a surgeon, he's a podiatrist, and he's been studying UFOs, particularly down in Brazil for quite some time.
		And the next story could not be more synchronous had we tried.
		And I assure you, it had nothing to do with us.
		But it's leading UFO news all around the world tonight.
		We'll get to it in a moment.
		The End It is with some, I don't know, anticipatory trepidation that I look forward to open lines coming up shortly.
		We are under a full moon.
		It is beautiful out there here in the desert.
		It's just unimaginably beautiful.
		Outside temperature, about 78 degrees right now.
		Humidity probably down in the teens.
		Low teens at that, and just spectacular in the desert.
		Now, I note that Robert, looking at my webcam photograph this evening, Robert from Port Orchard, Washington says, hey, Art, your beautiful wife is hiding behind a sweet ride.
		I'd love to customize the paint job for you.
		30 years experience and owner of Integrity Autobody.
		Your wife, however, needs no work at all.
		Robert.
		Robert, I wouldn't let you touch either one.
		That thing is cherry.
		I keep that thing in the garage most of the time.
		We took a ride down to L.A. in that thing, or did we fly?
		It was fun.
		I mean, every now and then, though we drive most of the time around in our little geometros putting around, every now and then you've got to get out there while we still have the gas and, you know, find out what speed feels like, right?
		And the picture you see there, that kind of area affords you that opportunity.
		Take your chances with the highway patrol.
		They hate it.
		All right, so there is synchronicity this night in what we're going to talk about, and the fact that we're having Dr. Lear on, because as you know, he has specialized, investigated as no other, the big cases in Brazil, and there have been a bunch of them.
		And look at this.
		Breaking news.
		It'll be number one on Whitley's Treeburgers hit list on his website, unknowncountry.com.
		But it's breaking now everywhere.
		I'm getting, I don't know, zillions of email.
		The headline is major UFO breakthrough in Brazil.
	The nation of Brazil, the nation is going to relax its policy of UFO secrecy.
	It is, then, first among a number of countries known to be considering the idea of completely abandoning the secrecy mandate that's been in place now worldwide since the phenomena first began to be publicly known 50 years ago.
	A.J. Grevard of the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers reports that a number of important files have just been released, including a folder containing documents from 1977 that covered dozens of cases of UFOs in the Amazon,
	with over 100 pictures made during Operation Saucer, an official Brazilian military investigation that was carried out between September and December of 1977.
	This change in policy means that one of the countries with the most extensive amount of UFO activity is now going to share its previously secret knowledge with everybody.
	So that honestly is big news.
	You can read about it at unknowncountry.com.
	I'm sure we'll get a link up on coast2coastam.com if we don't already have one.
	Big breaking story.
	Brazil is going to end the secrecy, and they're a big country to do so.
	Now, as you know, Mexico has been leaning toward relaxing it, but Brazil, surprisingly, I might add, took the step ahead of Mexico.
	Therefore, tonight's guest is very, very relevant, Dr. Lear, who investigated and will tell you about what he investigated down in Brazil.
	What an auspicious time for the government there to be dropping all the secrecy.
	And I called Dr. Lear earlier tonight.
	I said, hey, have you heard the news?
	And I read it to him, and he said, you know, that's not supposed to be out.
	That was supposed to be a secret.
	And I don't think he was going to even tell us about it tonight.
	So he was kind of shocked the press had somehow gotten hold of this.
	So that'll be, I don't know, definitely synchronistic and headline-worthy tonight.
	Reports that the Bush administration plans to adopt a new policy that would more explicitly spell out the military's commitment to placing offensive and defensive weapons in space are sparking an increased debate.
	Proponents say such weapons are needed to protect U.S. homeland and satellites in space, our satellites, that provide such crucial military and civilian services as targeting for weapons, global positioning data, and for satellite and radio, TV.
	Satellite, TV, and radio that would be.
	They also point out that space has been militarized for decades and say today's military would be instantly brought to its knees if an enemy could interfere with or destroy satellites used by the Pentagon.
	So there you have it.
	America would be brought to its knees if those satellites could be killed.
	So now, let's ask ourselves again, as we did last night, do you think the U.S. has already militarized space?
	How many of you out there, raise your hands.
	Do you really think we're leaving those satellites, those all-important satellites, that if killed would bring us to our knees?
	Are we leaving them unprotected?
	I don't think so.
	So I think we've already got plenty of weapons in space.
	Some people think we have them here on the ground.
	The headline is South Natomas home covered with sheet metal.
	Residents claim neighbors bombarding them with radiation.
	A home in Sacramento's South Natomas neighborhood is surrounded by sheet metal, and neighbors are calling it, well, downright an eyesore.
	The D'Souza family lives in the home on Timberwood Court, and they claim the aluminum pieces are necessary to protect them from unknown neighbors who have been bombarding them with radio waves and making them sick.
	It's a shield, they say, to protect against radiation because microwave radiation is reflected off of aluminum.
	So it's a protective measure, says Resident Sarah D'Souza.
	The D'Souzas say the bombardment began after the first anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks and that the radio waves have caused them health problems ranging from headaches to lupus.
	They've got photographs and they've got all this sort of random tin all over their house.
	no one is one more thing the u_s_ government doesn't want to they say that one of the The Federal Aviation Administration proposed Thursday to amend its regulations as to ensure that it can enforce a law that prohibits obtrusive advertising in zero gravity.
	Objects placed in orbit, if large enough, could be seen by people around the world for long periods of time, the FAA said.
	Currently, the FAA lacks the authority to enforce the existing law.
	For example, outsized billboards deployed by a space company into low Earth orbit could appear as large as the moon and be seen without a telescope.
	The FAA said big and bright advertisements just might hinder astronomers.
	Large advertisements could destroy the darkness of the night sky.
	And I wonder how you would feel if you went out to observe the beautiful stars on a night like tonight, for example, and there went an advertisement for McDonald's or chicken McNuggets or worse yet a whole I shouldn't pick on McDonald's,
	it doesn't matter, any Coca-Cola, you know, just whatever constantly streaming across the night sky, blotting out the constellations And causing you to be hungry for a burger or whatever.
	In a moment, we will, as promised, begin taking calls for the balance of this hour.
	And then at the top of the hour, Dr. Roger Lear.
	Now, to the phones we go.
	First time caller line, you are on the air.
	Hello?
	You're on the air.
	This is your last chance.
	Gonna say anything?
	No?
	Rock it on then.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		How you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, sir.
unidentified		This is Stephen in West Central Georgia.
		We've got some wonderful weather here also.
		And, you know, you always bring up these things that British people don't always think about.
		But I guarantee you, I would be shocked that our government did not have weapons to defend these high-dollar satellites.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		I mean, it would just be absurd to think they did, if you know what I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I exactly know what you mean.
		And I have thought for quite a long time we have weapons in space.
		How could we not?
		I mean, let's think about the strategic implication of all this for a second.
		If you've got an ICBM on the ground, you've got to launch it.
		It's got to go near space anyway, and then come down on the enemy.
		And all that takes time.
		If you had a weapon already in space, then there's no warning at all, baby.
		You simply say go.
		It launches, enters the atmosphere, and without warning, cities disappear.
		How could they not have that?
unidentified		You kind of wonder if Reagan's Star Wars project wasn't really carried out at all.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that Star Wars is still underway.
unidentified		And congratulations on your phone system.
unidentified		It has improved 1,000%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what manner?
unidentified		I can hear you as clear as the bell on the phone.
		It's not a low home anymore.
		Really good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After we talked last, I believe it was you, I went to work on that immediately.
unidentified		Well, sir.
		And look here.
		Is your book, The Art of Talk, still available?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the art of talk uh...
		is now almost impossible to get of the hardcore for the hard part were hard Well, yeah, it was hardcore.
		And a hardcover version of that is really a collectible now.
unidentified		Well, the last time I've seen it available was at your buddy at C. Crane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It actually was pretty hardcore in a way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really guess I told everything about myself in that thing.
unidentified		I would really like to get a couple of copies to give away as gifts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd love to tell you it's available, but it is not, I'm sorry to say.
		It is now out of publication and rather hard to get.
		And I did sign a few of them.
		It was really a nice book.
		The hardcover edition really was pretty spiffy.
		It's for the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, first I want to say they had another special on Discovery Channel the other night about the UFOs, and they're trying to still cover it up and say that it's the stealth bombers and all that they're hiding out in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me it took the skeptics point of view?
unidentified		Right.
		That's what they're trying to say is all these lights that people are seeing in Arizona and all that is all just these stealth that they're getting out of there without and people catching it.
		And that's what they're trying to blame it, you know, on its own military.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Methinks hogwash.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And another thing, if they don't mind, if you don't mind me saying, I don't know if you or George the other night was saying something about dreams, dreaming something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twas not me.
unidentified		Okay, well, can I say something about it?
		Last night I had a dream that an air apartment complex got hit by an airplane, and I went outside and looked, and the whole front of the apartments was gone.
		I mean, it just blowed off of it.
		It's like the Oklahoma place was done that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think that's a premonition?
unidentified		That's what I was kind of wondering about because I told my wife about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She said it's very strange that she's had the same dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		now here at this point i'd be packing my bags and i don't know for sale and whatever else if to it was bad enough if you have the dream but if your wife has the same every matter of fact is we could hear uh...
unidentified		in the path of the of of the airport well then what are you still doing there well well no place else to go really i mean we're about uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all probably about two miles from metro detroit airport do me a favor send me an email william and give me your real name that way i'll be able to identify the fact that uh...
		your dream i mean you might not be around and the audience would want to know yeah send me an email with your name so i can check your list against casualty i guess it my computer for an hour time to get that thing online mobile and that do i will send you a email but i i i'd love bill you understand my reasoning right are you out on telling the two people having the same dream is it was a but so i think that that we don't know about yes and uh...
		you will let the at the very least go down are you and your wife as both having powers of premonition right possibly
		honored honored after you're gone out well that would be appreciated so i think i can honor me but many white well well that's a hard night center that email and good luck with your computer i mean you know bad enough if you're in the house of an airport you have a dream that your house is you know smashed by an airplane event your wife has the same very same dream if you're not packing and maybe you're not listening
		the high desert in the middle of the night under a full moon a very full moon this is coast to coast and don't forget top of the hour comes dr. Roger Lear on the night of breaking news about Brazil ending all of the secrecy that's it baby they're done with
unidentified		And I'll miss the...
		And I'll miss the...
		And I'll miss the...
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		With our Bell and Musicals.
		Get your blood moving.
		Good morning, everybody.
		If your blood isn't moving, just go out and look at the night sky.
		That's one big full moon.
		It's just about guaranteed entertainment.
		we'll get right back here I wonder if any of you saw the Google map, the satellite map, of Magnolia Park, Florida.
		It showed what looked like a mothership hovering above 39th Street in the town.
		I mean, it was quite remarkable.
		And it went around the internet.
		I know some of you have seen it.
		Nobody in that area reported anything, but the experts say it could have been perhaps no higher than 20,000 feet.
		And this thing was gigantic.
		Absolutely gigantic.
		So was there something really there?
		Was there something that the camera saw and the people didn't?
		Or what?
		Whatever it was, it certainly was weird.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I'm calling from Arizona.
		My name is Marie.
		Yes.
		You used to be in agony with your back.
		What did you do to help yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it still comes and goes, hon. It's not as bad as it was.
		I take something called Celebrex.
		And I'm risking probably whatever they say I might be risking.
		But from my point of view, the quality of life one has with it beats the risk of, you know, whatever.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		For me, it worked very well.
		I suppose everybody's body is different.
		Of course, you've got to go to a doctor, and he's got to approve it for you.
		But it did help my back.
		A lot of people have asked me about that.
		And that's a member of the Cox II inhibitor group.
		And there's some controversy about it right now.
		But I'll tell you, without giving them a free ad, I guess it is in a way.
		What's not controversial is that it works.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Yes.
		I've got an idea for a gravity buoyancy generator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A gravity buoyancy generator.
unidentified		All right.
		The way this thing would work is it's a vertical chain.
		And it's got pill-shaped cells for the links.
		Like it would be hollow, probably metal, some heavy material that would be hollow where they would be buoyant.
		On one side of this chain, you have a tank or a reservoir where the chain would pass through the bottom of it, have a seal at the bottom, and it would force the chain up on one side.
		And it has a shiv at the top and a shiv at the bottom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not clear on what's causing the lack of gravity and lifting something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the power that is doing that?
unidentified		All right.
		Buoyancy on one side of this chain is pushing up on the chain.
		And this is a vertical chain, straight up and down.
		It's on shivs.
		One side of it is in fluid, and the other side of it would be out of fluid.
		The fluid side is where the buoyancy is, and it's pushing up on the chain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but that's a force pushing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, you're not really defying gravity in any manner.
unidentified		No, no, this is actually something that I've talked to physicists about, and they don't see why.
unidentified		None of them has wanted to work on it, but they don't see why it wouldn't work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't see why it wouldn't work either.
		The question is, what are you proving when you've done it?
		You're not proving that you've come up with something that will defy gravity, actually.
unidentified		I'm not trying to defy gravity.
		I'm trying to see the finances to build this thing because it's all machine parts and everything.
		And I don't have the mathematical degrees and everything to figure out mathematically if this thing would work.
		I've called the Department of Energy, and they basically said you have to prove it on paper before they would give you any grants to build it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, that's quite true.
		You might go to DARPA.
		DARPA is frequently interested in that sort of weird thing.
		They might go for it.
unidentified		Well, that's what I would basically be trying to get on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try DARPA.
unidentified		If it's possible, maybe somebody would do something with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would flood the station with calls trying to finance your gravity buoyancy generator.
unidentified		Do you have a number for it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do I have a number for DARPA?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I'm sure in Washington, if you call, you'll get them.
		Good luck with it.
		Anyway, sir.
		So he thought he'd float that by all of you and see if there are any gravity buoyancy generator investors lurking.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Bill in Sacramento, California, listening to you on XM.
		Yes, sir.
		Well, I know you're a busy man, but Thursday's show with George was a pretty interesting one.
		He had an inventor for the first 30 minutes or whatever it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what had he invented?
unidentified		Actually, his name was Woody, and he invented a personal flying machine.
unidentified		It's, I guess, like a helicopter except without the tail rotor with two spinning blades, one going opposite of the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had Woody taken off yet?
unidentified		Yes, he has, actually.
		They're in production, and they're getting ready to start selling them for $47,000, I think, is what it was.
		And then the other one was he invented, I guess it would be an ultrasound speaker to where when he points this beam of light, it would turn like an entire wall into a speaker.
		Or he could point it at a person, and that person would hear the sound, but the person next to him would not hear it.
		So I just thought you might want to check that out on Streamlink.
		It was a Thursday show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		All right.
		I'll make a point of it.
		Thank you very much.
		I've always been in favor of personal flying machines.
		They have always, and I think they fascinate a lot of people.
		And why shouldn't we have the freedom of the birds?
		By now, you would think, 2005, we would have come up with something that would equate to a personal flying vehicle.
		Now, of course, we have enough trouble with the paved roads as it is.
		But still in all, the freedom afforded by such a machine would be just incredible, wouldn't it?
		I'm sure the death toll would be gigantic, but it might be worth a try.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		You know, I was calling.
		I just heard this guy talking about this gravity thing he has.
		But I had a question, and I actually called last week as well, and I didn't get on.
		But I wanted to talk to Art about the gravity hill phenomenon across the country.
		I mean, I went to one of these the other day, and I don't understand why it works.
		And so I looked on the internet, and I found some other places, you know, all around the country where they have the same phenomenon of where your car pushes itself up a hill.
		Or in this case, somebody told me a bottle would do it as well.
		And I don't know what, you know, I don't have any idea what it's all about or how it works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nor do I. Perhaps it is related to what happens out here near me in Death Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard of the rocks that quite clearly roll themselves across, big rocks, roll themselves across the very bottom of Death Valley?
unidentified		I haven't ever heard of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All by themselves.
		They've got photographs of the rock trail.
		I mean, it's not like anybody got out there and pushed them.
		These babies go all by themselves.
unidentified		Yeah, and it's very strange.
		I mean, I've heard people say things like it could be a magnetic field, but I don't even really know what that means, to be honest with you, or how to find out why this happens.
		Because it's happened.
		I've done this twice before, once as a teenager when I was living in Kansas, and then I had forgotten about it until a few weeks ago when I did this out here where I live in San Bernardino as well.
		And so it's just a very strange phenomenon to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've often wondered why somebody doesn't go camp out, you know, putting a video camera right on the rocks in Death Valley, as an example, and catching them moving.
		They move in the middle of the night.
		And the next morning, there's this big trail there.
		Well, let's catch one of these babies rolling along.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		This is Bill.
		I'm calling from the Imperial Valley, not too far from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm kind of a new listener here, but I caught your thing on U of Ren's Aussie.
		I'm not an enthusiast in it, but I had a friend of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what really makes you enthusiastic, sir?
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seeing one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you get very enthusiastic.
unidentified		Yeah, but you know, the problem is, where do you go to see one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't go somewhere to see one.
		They come to see you.
		And, you know, once it happens, you'll begin to get a lot of enthusiasm for what it is.
unidentified		Well, don't get me wrong.
		I mean, I grew up on the other side of the coin.
		I grew up in what you want to call a haunted house.
		So from the time I was born, that kind of stuff was normal for me.
		But UFO stuff, I never really got into.
		But anyway, I knew this elderly man.
		I used to collect the early wind-up cylinder machines and phonographs because if this is Columbia's Edison.
		And around 1970, I'm out here in the middle of the desert wandering around here because I get better reception with the cell phone.
		Around 1970, I met this elderly man who dealt in these phonographs and stuff.
		And over the years, we got to be really, you know, good friends and close friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can hear you crunching across the desert.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, the moon's out.
		It's beautiful here.
		You know, it's quiet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just the pin drop thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I can hear the little things crunching under your feet.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Isn't that nice?
		I'm from New England originally.
		I'm out in an old ranch out here, and there's no phone lines or anything.
		I have to use a cell phone.
		Okay.
		But he was like an old historian.
		He used to dabble in the antique and he used to sell the antique phonographs and stuff.
		And we used to just talk about normal things most of our time together.
		And then around 1987, I used to stop by a lot because his wife had gotten Alzheimer's.
		And so I'd stop off and see if everything was all right.
		And when I went in one day, he came down the stairs and he was shaking his head.
		He was all upset over something.
		And I couldn't figure out what his problem was because I never saw him like that before.
		And he kept saying, he just couldn't believe that they put that on TV last night.
		And I didn't know what it was.
		And I kept saying, what do you mean, you know, upset over what, Jim, on TV?
		And he said, did you see that television show last night, that mysteries thing?
		And that was the one with Robert Stack.
		And I said, yeah, which one on there?
		Because, you know, they have a couple of them.
		And he said, this thing on flying saucers.
		Well, I almost fell over backwards because in all the years I knew him, he never brought anything like that up before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the bottom line to all of this, he saw something like what was on TV, I take it.
unidentified		Well, no.
		What happened was, I guess it was his brother or brother-in-law was in the Army.
		And back in 1947, I think that's when it happened, this Roswell thing, his brother or brother-in-law, one of them, had come to him and told him they had found a crashed ship and some bodies out in the desert.
		And I don't know how much more they talked about because he had to get back up there with his wife.
		But the one thing that he said was that his brother or brother-in-law had told him is, whatever you do, make sure that you don't mention this to anybody or you or your family will disappear.
		And he told him this about the government coming in and taking him.
		And Jim, all these years, since 1947, evidently, was so scared that he never told another person about this or said anything about it until he saw it on TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you, on the other hand, are not afraid to call a nationwide talk show crunching along in the desert until about it.
unidentified		Well, you know, I just heard your show, and I'm sure that there's people out there that, you know, get into this, you know, an awful lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you can bet there are, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		And there are people who also make that very same claim.
		That indeed a saucer crashed, and its occupants and the saucer itself and whatever was left were all transported first to another part of Texas and then to Wright Pat Air Force Base, where God only knows what was done with them.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Good.
		Now, proceed.
		Yes.
unidentified		Is this our mail?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, we're not allowed to put last names on the air, so I had to bleep that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's start all over again, just with your first name.
unidentified		Larry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Larry, and you're calling from where?
unidentified		Merkel, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		What NASA's breakthrough propulsion program is, what it's all about, is develop the technology of wormholes, manipulate the gravitational force.
		I participated in Mark Nelson's breakthrough propulsion program.
		I have a website up on the internet that shows you how to do this.
		It's called the technology the Egyptians used to build a pyramid.
		Same thing that Ed was doing down at the Coral Castle.
		Would you like my web address?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we can't give them out.
		We're not allowed to give them out on the air.
		If you want to send it to me privately, you're more than welcome to do that, and I'll check it out, and then we'll go from there.
		But too many times we have been fooled, to be honest with you.
		And websites given out have led to, well, things that youngsters ought not see.
		So we don't do it anymore.
		We have checked it out.
unidentified		Your address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Feel free to drop me a line and I'll investigate it.
		Be happy to investigate it and go from there.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well.
unidentified		This is Jerry Cole from Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jerry.
unidentified		Well, I remember it was 2003 or 2004.
unidentified		You had a lady that was living at the top of the mountain in Phoenix where she had seen the underbelly of the Phoenix lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		And I was just wondering, did they ever get a statement from her, official statement, that she actually saw the belly of this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, they took official statements from all kinds of people in Phoenix.
		It's not like it.
		And it wasn't just Phoenix either.
		People keep calling it Phoenix lights.
		Actually, they traversed quite a bit of territory, and there were gazillions of witnesses.
unidentified		I suddenly remember the interview, but she said it was two or three, maybe three football fields wide.
unidentified		Is that a correct statement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of sounds about right.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		And this is leading up to the story that's going to be the top of the air about UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not exactly.
		We're going to talk about what has happened in Brazil.
		And the synchronicity of what we're doing tonight is that Brazil suddenly, today, announced they're going to just open up all their UFO files to the world.
unidentified		Well, I'm looking forward to the show, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		And, you know, it's worthwhile because an awful lot has happened in South America.
		And South Americans are not nearly so quiescent on the subject of UFOs as are we.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Turn your radio off.
		Turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified		This is Melvin in Orange, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Melvin.
unidentified		Is Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Art Bell what?
unidentified		Are you Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, I'll say yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you're right.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		About three weeks ago, you made a statement that if somebody builds a free energy device, they would be rich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Well, I have built one and did improvements on three others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where is it?
unidentified		The device I made first is an electric spacecraft journal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where is it?
unidentified		Where's what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your electric spacecraft.
unidentified		The device is that the Electric Spacecraft Journal works on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		The article I sent was entitled Electrolysis of Water by Electrostatic Impact.
		Hmm.
		Anyway, basically what you do is you break water into hydrogen and oxygen and produce power in the process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard that could be done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're claiming what, that you have done it?
unidentified		Well, I got 10 milliamps of current from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10 milliamps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how little that is, sir?
unidentified		Across the 5 ohm resistor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a very tiny amount of power.
		I know, but you've got to demonstrate kilowatts and kilowatts of power.
		However, I must say, even a small amount of demonstrably, essentially free power is a qualifying demonstration.
		So as usual, I will say to you what I say to everybody else who makes a claim like you do.
		Show me the toy.
		Show me the small anything that's using, producing more power than it's using.
		Forget absolute free energy.
		Forget that.
		I'll take a device that simply has more output than input and keeps on trucking.
		Anybody?
		Remember a toy that'd be alright.
unidentified		I know I always get by.
		I hear everybody cool down.
		Something gets in my way, I know I'm in.
		Don't let life get me down.
		Don't look taking the way up.
		I got music in me, I got music in me, I got music in me, yeah.
		I got music in me, yeah.
		I got music in me, yeah.
		Anybody could be that guy, not as young as music's high.
		Wanna take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I think of UFOs in Brazil, I automatically think of Dr. Roger Lear.
		Matter of fact, he just finished a book called UFO Crash in Brazil.
		And so obvious, and we've been told a lot here.
		So obviously I think of Dr. Lear when the subject of Brazil comes up.
		And like the biggest news you could imagine breaking over the UFO community this night, we've got a story entitled Major UFO Breakthrough in Brazil.
		That's it.
		The Brazilians are going to open their UFO files to the world.
		And that's a pretty big story.
		I mean, imagine if it were the U.S. opening our files to the world.
		But Brazil, nevertheless, where there's been a hell of a lot of UFO activity, is just going to throw its files open.
		They have chosen people in ufology in Brazil to make these documents available to.
		And these people have been allowed into some of the most secret government installations in Brazil to receive this information.
		It is a pretty exciting story, to be sure.
		So who better to have on tonight?
		On the very day the story breaks.
		I called him up about it earlier than Dr. Roger Lear.
		Dr. Lear, author of Aliens and the Scalpel, has been said to be one of the world's most important leaders in physical evidence research involving the field of ufology.
		He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged alien abductees.
		This resulted in the removal of 10 separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants.
		These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious labs in the world.
		Their findings have been baffling, and some comparisons have been made to meteorite-like samples.
		Dr. Lear anticipates performing more surgeries in the future and will investigate the physiological and biological aspects of the abduction phenomenon.
		He has also formed a non-profit organization for this purpose called ANS Research Inc.
		Here is Dr. Roger Lear.
		Dr. Lear.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Dr. Ann.
		Gee, your latest book, UFO Crash in Brazil, how it resonates with today's breaking news.
		Now, you tell them I called you a couple hours, a few hours before the show tonight and said, whoa, look what's breaking in the news.
		And you said, well, that wasn't supposed to be out.
		That was supposed to be secret or something, right?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what I said.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And the reason for this is that for some months now, I was privy to the information of what was going on in Brazil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you haven't been able to talk.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Haven't been able to talk about it.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Sworn to secrecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Why sworn to secrecy?
		I mean, if Brazil is going to open its files to the world, why should that be secret?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not that that it's secret.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		It's that what was going on was secret because so many times, as you well realize, Art, in this strange field of ufology, people make claims to various things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Predictions and so on, and it never happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So it was believed, you know, why upset the apple cart when these things were in the making, and it looks like things were going to pan out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can buy that.
		Yeah, I can buy that.
		And you would keep it secret until, but here it is.
		Any idea of how it leaked out?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know the whole story via A.J. Gavard, who was one of the leading ufological researchers in Brazil.
		I've worked with him many times.
		Hover, I've been down there, as you know, many times, and he's set things up for me to investigate various aspects of ufology in Brazil.
		The individuals that were involved also, I know them all.
		They're all friends of mine and very sincere investigators who absolutely have nothing to gain from any of the work.
		They're just very, very sincere.
		The first thing that happened was that AJ, through UFO magazine Brazil, started a campaign to get the secrecy away from the government and where it belongs out to the people.
		So what he did was he started a petition drive through the magazine and got, I guess, thousands of signatures asking the government to release this information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but normally that results in a complete brick wall.
		I mean, you can hand them millions of signatures and nothing happens.
		Hold on.
		This is a good hook for everybody, but in this case.
		Well, we'll find out.
		I wonder if the government was ready to do it anyway, and they just used this as a sort of a, I don't know, look how responsive we are kind of deal to let it happen at this moment, or if they really did have that effect, I wonder.
unidentified		Gunshot
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's really a good question.
		Petition or not, if you delivered one to the U.S. government, they'd laugh in your face.
		Do you think the military was ready to do this anyway, and they just kind of took the opportunity to look responsive?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, Art, my life has gone from one synchronicity to another.
		So it's really hard to say.
		But look at it this way.
		How many rocks do you have to throw at the beehive before the bees attack?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes only one.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		So here, you know, they didn't have what we have here.
		There's no Freedom of Information Act in Brazil.
		They don't have the opportunity to go through a government institution and ask for information as we are guaranteed to have here, only to get it and have 90% of it blacked out with a black pen or now modernized, white out.
		So they don't have that at all.
		So they were seeking some similar opportunity.
		Now, with that, you've got to remember that on my website years ago, I put up a document that was signed by Daniel Golden from NASA with agreement with the Brazilians, and they were supposed to turn over any non-terrestrial material to us for further development.
		Then the Brazilians were guaranteed to share in the proceeds of the U.S. investigation development of those materials.
		So we've got to remember that.
		Then I have also documents as to how the government was supposed to handle UFOs, period, which was written way back in the 1960s.
		So you take all those factors and then you ask the big question, what's going on now?
		Is it the government or is it a branch of the government like the Air Force?
		Now, I always remember Bob Dean's story about the fights that used to go on in Europe when the UFOs went over Europe and they couldn't find out a doggone thing from the government.
		So the military got together, according to what Bob has to say, and did their own investigation.
		Well, how do we know that the Air Force, in this case, is not pretty sick about not being told what's going on?
		As a matter of fact, in a conversation that AJ had with one of the leading Air Force generals is where this all started in the first place.
		He got a strange phone call, and he was absolutely bowled over, thought it was a joke or somebody was after him.
		The general called and said that he would like to talk to him about the release of certain amounts of information.
		Well, AJ couldn't believe what he was hearing.
		So he, in another conversation, had told him that they were literally kept in the dark.
		I mean, they had the documents.
		They had all the reports, everything, and big investigations of three major UFO flaps in Brazil, ending with one in 1986, where there were literally thousands of UFOs and interactions occurring in one file alone.
		There's over 100 pictures, I understand.
		So AJ didn't know whether to believe it or not.
		So that's about the time when I began to hear about this information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard about the 100 pictures.
		Let me stop you there.
		Do you have any sense of how important these photographs are, how detailed or how good they are and what they are of?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, from what I've been able to understand as of late, they are wonderful.
		You know, Air Force photos taken of objects at varying distances, at varying speeds.
		There's documents indicating the radar sightings.
		There are evidently also photos taken from jets, numerous jets were scrambled to chase these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they're clear, unambiguous photographs, though?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't seen them, but from what I heard, you don't have to be a scholar to recognize these as discs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess another question is, this is pretty big news.
		Do you think they really are releasing everything, or do you think they're doing a measured release and saying they're releasing everything?
		A question like that always has to be asked.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's speculative, but I know of the three cases and the three flaps that they're releasing information on, and they are the three biggest ones that were ever investigated by the Brazilian researchers.
		That's almost like saying, Art, well, let's take the crash at Roswell and the Trent photos and a couple other things, and we're going to release that to the public here in the U.S. and tell everybody all about it.
		So if you make that comparison, I think that these are three major things.
unidentified		It certainly is not everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly, it's not everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then it is measured.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I would say at this point, it's measured.
		But here comes my pessimistic view.
		We're all excited.
		I mean, I am really excited.
		I had a talk with Whitley today and explained a couple of things to him because he put it up on his website.
		It's probably on every website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure as hell isn't going to hurt your book either, is it?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Again, another synchronicity because we had planned this before this news ever broke.
		But here it is.
		It's on the internet.
		It's all over the internet.
		You honestly think we're going to hear about this on CBS, NBC, ABC, or by Bill Riley?
unidentified		You know, it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is a pretty big story.
		An entire nation decides to open UFO files?
		Yeah, I think it's a pretty big story.
		I think it's deserving of the nightly news.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly hope you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, even if it's a sort of last kicker story, for the general public, a whole country like Brazil opening their files, no, that's a big story.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I think it's big.
		I always thought that there was a possibility that some release of information could come out of Brazil, but I really expected that it would come out of a more renegade country like France, because I was over in France.
		They invited me to attend an SSE meeting over there, and a strange thing happened there was that they almost canceled the meeting when they heard that I was going to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Very, very strange stuff.
		And then they wanted to know if I would appear at sort of a small secret meeting.
		And I did.
		And there was about 15 scientists there, interestingly enough, including one member of the French Space Administration and one member of the Department of the Interior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee whiz, Doctor, I'm recalling that not too many years ago, the French had this big committee of scientists who shocked the world by saying they believed that the evidence for UFOs justified a large government investigation, an official investigation, right?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Vis-a-vis the Comità report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, why would they threaten to cancel a meeting just because you would show your face?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it wasn't the government that threatened to cancel the meeting.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		It was the SSE because they considered me a heretic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heretical?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, here I am talking about a subject on UFOs, and you're talking about a very famous worldwide academic who are talking about astrophysics and chemistry and all the little subjects.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And here's a guy coming to talk about UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are a doctor, though.
		That's true.
		And you've done actual gathering of physical evidence by removing things from people.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here's the strange thing.
		When I speak about these things, my information doesn't come from me.
		I didn't have dreams that I submitted these things to a laboratory.
		These are reports that are coming from the scientists themselves.
		So maybe that's what they took in consideration because the data, you know, the data is sort of overwhelming.
		So they probably a number of them, obviously, if they didn't want me there, they wouldn't have invited me or paid for my ticket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was also curious about a little something I read in there, that some of what you have removed, when examined, has been compared to meteorite material.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what sense?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of the metallurgy looks like a meteorite.
		A large amount of them contain iron, for example, and they contain nickel, and they contain other things that are found in meteorites.
		But the perplexing thing that came forth of the scientists who rendered this efficient opinion was that the nickel-iron ratio wasn't quite right for a meteorite.
		Well, you've got to remember, too, that all these things that we send out are blind studies.
		Nobody's told where they come from.
unidentified		They could have fallen off of the back of a camel for all they know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I guess we should take the time and trouble to roll over what you know and have experienced in Brazil.
		I know it's a pretty good-sized story, but I mean, we should give people a sense of the magnitude of the stories that are going to be broken open officially in Brazil.
		And you can do that.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we can.
		We're talking about, of course, the very famous Vartinia case of 1996 and how this case today, in my opinion and others also, represents something that's even more important than Roswell.
		Now, my gosh, who am I to say anything like that?
		Since Roswell is the United States phenomenon that we've all been talking about for many, many, many years.
		Several reasons in comparison.
		One, both involve the crash of what appears to be a non-terrestrial vehicle.
		In the Roswell case, there's a lot of emphasis that's placed on the vehicle.
unidentified		Where it crashed, how it crashed.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Did it crash alone or with two other vehicles, one in Socorro and the other possibly in the plains of St. Augustine.
		A lot of emphasis placed on the crash, the material, the debris field, and all that sort of stuff.
		But in the Brazil case, there's not much emphasis placed on the crash, which occurred actually the night of January the 19th, 1996.
		A farmer saw something that was coming down with smoke or vapor sort of coming out of one end of it, and he looked at it and he saw that there was evidently a piece missing.
		So he got quite curious, didn't know whether this was some military thing or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he could make a judgment that there was a piece missing, that means he saw enough detail of the craft to understand the symmetry of it and see some part of that missing, right?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, absolutely.
		It was a cylindrical craft, and as I said, you couldn't tell whether it was the front end or the back end, but from the direction it was going, it looked like it was the after end.
		And it was releasing smoke or vapor or whatever you call it.
		But it did fly around for a while until it finally impacted with the field.
		And he watched the impact occur, and there was a lot of debris also from this piece.
		The largest piece left over was about the size of a Volkswagen bus.
		But almost immediately, the Brazilian military, the army, was there.
		And they saw him on his truck, and they asked him quite strongly to leave.
		Well, Brazilians, you know, for many, many years have had a different kind of government than we've had.
		It's kind of a jack-booted thug government they had up until the late 50s when the Brazilian Civil War came about.
unidentified		And so he didn't react the way they told him.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		He pulled around the corner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
		Hold it right, hold it right there.
		And I pulled around the corner and watched.
		All right, so an incident as big or perhaps even bigger than Roswell unfolding in Brazil.
		And already you're hearing the Brazilian military is stepping in.
		Tonight we're hearing the Brazilian military is ready to tell all.
		my guests will tell us all about it dr roger lear
unidentified		the No food and dreams can make me cry.
		I never found you worth it.
		I know I always get by I
		know I always get by I know I always get by
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		Dr. Roger Lear is here, just describing a disc that was on its way toward crashing with an obvious piece missing out of it.
		Farmer sees it.
		Military shows up, tells Farmer to go away.
		farmer decides not to go away and watches and will pick it up at that point in a moment the
		Doctor, last night I interviewed a truck driver who had some lights following him disagreeably Over his truck for quite a period of time.
		He finally got fed up with it, pulled his truck over at a stop, pulled out his 45, and pumped several slugs into these damn things that were just above his truck.
		I advised him against shooting at UFOs.
		However, you described something coming down, smoke trailing it, with an apparent piece missing.
		You don't suppose it was shot at, do you?
unidentified		Ooh, could that be a possibility?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry if I gave the impression that this was a disc.
		It wasn't a disc.
		It was a cylindrical-shaped craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So now that we got that cleared up, yeah, a piece missing out of it, smoking.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And then we find out from the Brazilian investigators later on that it was NORAD that notified the Brazilian military when this was coming down and exactly where it was coming down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know that NORAD can track things in space right down to the nuts and bolts that are loose and in orbit, so NORAD would be able to notify them that something like that was occurring.
		That accounts for the Brazilian military being on hand.
		Now, I'm sure their story, our story, NORAD's story, would be that it was re-entering space junk.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Space junk, exactly.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Space junk flying around, going here, going there, and finally crashing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did I guess?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Now, the recovery operation consisted of several military trucks, and they went to the area, saw the large piece, which I understand was about the size of a Volkswagen bus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of this now, according to the farmer who watched.
unidentified		Right.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And what they did was they eventually brought in a crane because this thing was too heavy to lift up on the back of one of their trucks.
		So once the large piece was removed, it was reported that they spread out about hand in hand and made their way across the field with metal detectors and garbage bags and picked everything up, threw all the bags in the back of these trucks, and went on their happy, merrily little way.
		Now, it just so happens that this, as I said, was the night of February the 19th.
		On February the 20th, now I have to say that one of the things I tried to do in the book was to eliminate the rumors from what was fact as obtained by the Brazilian researchers and directly from the witnesses.
		In fact, I labeled a whole chapter in the book rumors.
		In other words, these were unsubstantiated things.
		So what I'm going to talk about is only the things that we know because of either very sincere investigation or eyewitness testimony.
		So the following morning, at 8 o'clock in the morning, a Brazilian contingency was seen not too far from that area and engaged in a rather strange activity.
		And where officers from the intelligence service went down an embankment and captured a being which was described by numerous people as being relatively short, between four and five feet tall, having a body that was brown-skinned, very oily, large red eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, Doctor, you know, the witnesses that said all of this, were they actually watching the military capture this being?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or was this a description?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
		They were all watching.
		We have people like carpenters who were up on a roof doing their work and turned around and saw them attracted by the military and saw them go down the embankment.
		We have people who were riding bicycles.
unidentified		I mean, just people all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, holy smokes.
		All right.
		So if all of this is, is it your anticipation that all of this is going to be released in the documents the Brazilian government now promises to unleash on the world?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, so far, I don't know if anything is being released on the Fartinha case.
		And that may be because there was definitely U.S. military involvement with this case.
		The ones that are solely involved with Brazil happenings there, which the U.S. didn't have much to do with, that might be the information that's released.
		But we know so much about the Vargina case now.
		There's really not much that the Brazilian government can release.
		We probably know as much as they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I was going to say, if we get those kind of photographs, my God, it's all over.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to start somewhere, and we can only hope by the time that it's all done, if it all comes out, we're going to know everything that transpired for many, many years in Brazil, and probably not too much different than what occurred in other places in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I mean, if they actually release this, I mean, for example, photographs of the being, were they to release that, it's over.
		So tell me the rest of the story.
		I mean, the army captures this being, and describe it again, please.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Less than five feet tall, brown in color, very smooth, the skin kind of oily, large head, big red eyes, kind of upturned at the end, no hair, and three little protuberances on the top of the head going from the front to the back, one on each side, one in the middle.
		Beings evidently didn't make any noise As far as we know, but there were some individuals who said that they heard a sound like a buzzing sound.
		So we got two different types of testimony in reference to whether they made any sound.
		Now that occurred on January the 20th at 8 o'clock in the morning.
		Now around 8 p.m. two military intelligence service officers captured another creature that was trying to cross the street.
		And this creature was injured.
		We talked about him on the last show what happened.
		We'll go over briefly that again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		But in the middle, between 8 a.m. when the military contingent captured a creature going down in the woods and 8 p.m. when the one was picked up crossing the street, three girls, young teenage girls on their way home from work taking a shortcut, saw something kneeling by a concrete block wall.
		And as they got closer to it, they thought it was a child.
		And approaching it even closer, they got a better look.
		And they saw, again, the creature that we previously described, it was kneeling at this wall.
		And when the first girl saw it, she thought she'd seen the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kneeling.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		It was kneeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a kind of a submissive posture, really?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		And when she saw it, as I said, she thought she'd seen the devil.
		And she screamed and turned around and ran home.
		Now the other girl was right on her heels, but she stayed a little bit longer.
		She stayed long enough to see that the creature turned around, turned his head, and looked at her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And that made her as terrified as the first young girl, and she turned around.
		The third girl also looked at the creature, and so the three of them ran home.
		Now, two of these were sisters, and one was a friend.
		They informed the mother of what happened, and the mother, who didn't have an automobile, ran to the neighbors and got the neighbor to drive her back to the spot where the girls saw this being, and by that time there was nothing there.
		Now, interestingly enough, when I was there, I got a good gauge of the distance between where the girls saw this creature kneeling and where the two military police officers picked up this creature trying to cross the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much distance?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Not much.
		In fact, I have some video footage and photos standing on the corner where the police officers, the military intelligence officers picked up this being.
		And I could look up the street and see exactly the wall where the girl saw it.
		So it was probably the same creature.
		Didn't get too far.
		Now, some rumors have it that as many as 11 creatures were seen around in Barcelona at various times.
		But for sure, what we know, again, from eyewitness testimony, is that there were two.
		Now, there was another episode that occurred a little bit later in the morning where, again, a military contingent and the fire department came to the same area where the first creature was captured at 8 o'clock in the morning.
		And again, eyewitnesses watched both the fire department and the army from a base called Sergeant's Camp, which was not that far away, watch their activities.
		Some report a little bit of an argument going on as to maybe whose province this was.
		Now, the fire department in Brazil is a branch of the military service.
		It's not like what we have here.
		And they're engaged in a number of different operations, which can be military and civilian.
		They can capture a wild animal, put out a fire.
		They can also rescue air rescue or sea rescue, floods, and so on.
		And then yet they carry rifles, and they are part of the military.
		So here was two different branches of the military evidently having an argument with each other about something to do with the capture of one of these creatures.
		Now, as I stood on this construction overhang, which now exists at the same spot, I was able to look down on the hill where all this took place.
		And the military people had to climb over a fence and down a rather steep embankment.
		And once they got to the bottom, there was a railroad track.
		And they had to cross the railroad track, all this, mind you, continually going downhill until they got to this little small field.
		And then adjoining the field was a wooded area.
		Well, they chased this creature into the wooded area.
		Now, at this point, witnesses say that two shots rang out.
		And in a few minutes, two of the Brazilian army representatives came out, each carrying a sack over his shoulder.
		In one sack, there were movements, seen, like something kicking.
		The other sack, there was no movement whatsoever.
		They struggled to carry the sacks and what they had with them, their gear, back up the hill.
		It took them quite some time until they got there.
		Then these sacks were emptied into two different boxes on the trucks, and the trucks were covered with a canvas overlay, and off they went to a sergeant's camp.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So not too nice a picture.
		Now, the story of Arginia gets very, very complex, and we have to sort of take it apart each at a time.
		Let's go first to the military intelligence officers who captured the being that was trying to cross the street.
		Now, one of these police officers, a young man, Marco Eli Sharizi, very healthy, young Brazilian military person, went out from the car while his companion stayed in the car.
		And he put his arm around this creature, but he wasn't wearing any protective gear.
		He wasn't wearing any gloves.
		And he assisted the creature into the car, got in, and set him on his lap.
		Then they drove off.
		Set the creature on the military officer's lap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is all testimony from the officer involved.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Testimony from the officers, the other officer, eyewitnesses to the scene.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Ubijar Rodriguez, who is a labor attorney in Brazil with his office is in Vargenia and also a 36-year investigator, has done a full case study.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think anybody who had an alien creature on their lap would be able to give an incredibly detailed description.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet he could, too.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The only thing is that within three weeks, he was dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dead.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Dead.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Dead of unknown causes until just recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean the cause was just recently discovered?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		One of the witnesses that I interviewed was the wife of the deceased military police officer, young man Marco Eli Sherezi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That healthy young officer.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Healthy young man, deceased.
		And the interview that I did with the wife was the most unusual interview that I have ever done with anyone because she couldn't answer any of the questions that I asked her.
		Absolutely none.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		What were the symptoms that your husband had before you was taken to the hospital?
		She said, I don't know.
		I said, did you visit your husband in the hospital?
		Yes, but they wouldn't let me see him.
		What kind of symptoms do you think he had when he was in the hospital?
		I don't know.
		And on and on and on and on.
		Were you given the medical record?
		No.
		Were you given the cause of death?
		No.
		Were you given a death certificate?
		No.
		Do you receive any subsistence from the Brazilian military?
		No.
		Do you receive any subsistence at all from the Brazilian government?
		No.
		Do you have children?
		Yes.
		And how do you exist?
		I don't know.
		Now, just from that alone and standing there talking to this lady with an interpreter, I mean, it didn't take too much.
		You didn't have to be a rogue scholar to realize that this woman had been severely intimidated.
		She was going to tell nothing.
		In contrast, Marco's sister gave a pretty good report to a British television station, and she described the symptoms of Marco Elishazi in great detail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And said what?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And said that he started complaints with an abscess under the armpit.
		He had a fever.
		Finally, he had trouble breathing, extreme pain in his back, and nobody seemed to know what was wrong with him.
		Now that remained that way until August of last year, right before I almost finished the book.
		And I was able to get a report and include it almost in the last chapter of the book because an individual came forth, a Dr. Cesario Lincoln Furtado, came forth and told how he was the doctor who was in charge of the treatment of Marco Eli Shereze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he talk to you, physician to physician?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		No, I did not talk to him.
		I was here and A.J. and Ubujar Rodriguez talked to him in Brazil, sent me all the data, you know, very exacting data that they got out of him.
		And I can give the whole chronology of what happened until this person died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, is it a fair assumption that whatever the affliction was, it was precipitated by contact, that kind of contact?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I believe so, because the net result was he had a compromised immune system.
		And they couldn't find any bacteria.
		They flooded him with antibiotics, but there was no bacteria that were ever found.
		So I think we're talking about virology.
		And the guy, the poor guy, probably had viremia.
		And what I can put together from the symptoms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, hold it, hold it, right.
		Nice, nice.
		What location, actually?
		So he had an alien on his lap.
		And then a previously healthy person begins to lose or instantly loses his immune system?
		Okay.
		The rest of the story coming up, I guess, is Dr. Roger Leir.
		We're talking about a case in Brazil.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the world of ufology, I very seriously doubt it gets any better than this on a night when Brazil is announcing it's going to throw its files open to the world, nearly the first country to have done so, and a big country where lots of action has gone on.
		We have Dr. Roger Lear, who's in the middle of telling us one of ufology's absolute best stories, in my opinion.
		And we've got this craft, obviously damaged, with a piece missing, to me indicating it probably was shot down by somebody, and I don't think Brazil would have been that somebody, notified by NORAD.
		And then we've got creatures eyewitnessed by any number of people, and even more than that, actually held on a military man's lap.
		And then all of a sudden he, of course, gets mortally sick and dies of what?
		Well, we just, well, something to do with the immune system.
		don't know just yet.
unidentified		sad music
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the wife of this military man knows nothing she's willing to share, and the doctor does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The doctor apparently on the case from the very beginning, Dr. Lear, and right through it, or what?
unidentified		Yes, Dr. Fostado.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to give you several pieces of facts here.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Names don't really are not that important, but just it kind of helps to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you know the names, I'd just as soon hear them.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of like a building going up.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, the nails are necessary to the total sum of the building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So we have a Dr. Armando, who is a general surgeon, and the hospital he saw the patient in was Hospital Regional, which is a fairly good-sized hospital in the downtown of Argenia.
		We have a Dr. Renee, who is a cardiologist, again, Hospital Regional.
		We have a Dr. Cesario Alincanfurtado, who is the person I just mentioned, cardiologist.
		He was at Hospital Bom Pastur, which is not, again, that far away.
		Then we have a Dr. Rogerio Rimos, an orthopedic surgeon, Hospital Bom Pastor, again.
		And then we have Alberto Cedaro de Piva, another orthopedic surgeon who is at Hospital Regional.
		So it's easy to see now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you telling me all of these doctors had a hand in the case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they all saw the patient at two different hospitals.
		So there's no way in the world that you can see that this gentleman didn't get the very best of care.
		Now, here's the way it went.
		On January the 20th, 1996, Officer Shazeti takes part in the capture of the creature.
		And after a few days, he develops a little tumor similar to a fur uncle, you know, like a little boil.
		And this appears in the armpit.
		It becomes abscessed, and it was drained.
		This was done at the hospital Bon Pastor.
		On February the 12th, he arrives at Hospital Regional, and he's taken from there almost immediately to Hospital Bon Pastor with severe pains in his back.
		There he was seen by the cardiologist Dr. Rene.
		Examinations were carried out and two antibiotics were prescribed and administered.
		One was penicillin and the other was chantomyosin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suspecting what?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Suspecting some kind of a urinary tract infection, which was going to supposedly produce the pain in his back.
		February the 13th, the following day, his health status diminishes and he continues to remain quite unstable.
		On the 14th, the officer spends a day in the hospital all day long with a fever, severe pains in his back, some difficulty breathing.
		They thought he had pneumonia and didn't understand why the antibiotics were taking effect.
		February the 15th, he awakens, he's tired, fatigued, he feels generalized numbness and begins to show some cyanosis, which is the skin changing color because of the lack of oxygen.
		And this is most characterized as what we call a bacteremia, with that means that there's bacteria that's circulating in the blood and a possible septicemia.
		Now, septicemia is different than a bacteremia because septicemia means that there are toxins coming from somewhere that are circulating in his blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So he's transferred again now back to ICU at Hospital Regionale, and there he was examined and received some stabilizing medication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they doing blood work trying to figure out what the toxins are?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they're doing blood work, and you're getting the results back.
		They even did an HIV test.
		Now, why would you do an HIV test?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you did say immune-like collapse.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		You know, that means that without saying it, you suspect some kind of a viremia.
		Not a bacteremia, not a septicemia, but a viremia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there's some virus that's now attacking the poor guy's immune system.
		So those tests came back negative.
		No, sure, it was negative for HIV.
		And after a six-hour stay in the ICU unit, he died.
		Cause of death not mentioned.
		All the records sealed.
		Private supposedly funeral by the military.
		Wife was not allowed to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't they have to list the cause of death?
		Or is Brazil not like America in that regard?
		They say, well, he died.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Brazil.
		They do not have to do anything they don't want to do.
		Cause of death, unknown.
		In less than 20 days, three bacteria attacked the officer, it was written.
		One was in his arm.
		Some days before, he was cured.
		Afterwards, he had a urinary tract infection with Enterobacter.
		Now, that came back from the lab reports.
		That, they say, he caused his death, which was a lie.
		There was also another infection in his lungs.
		That is another bacteria.
		And this is all indicated by Dr. Furtado.
		Now, when you look at the lab reports, which I have done, and you take that with the testimony of his sister, you got a whole different picture because his sister describes his high spiking fevers,
		his thirst, loss of appetite, amaziated appearance, strange color in skin, and what's more important, well, she describes engorgement of his eyes with blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		Now, is there any...
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Does that remind you of anything, Art?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever hear what the symptomatology of an Ebola involves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to say that, or Marburg, something like that, some sort of bleed out.
		Yeah.
		Gee, I don't know where to begin here.
		What was done with his body?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was supposedly buried, and they're trying to get the body interned.
		But guess what?
		They're having a lot of difficulty doing that.
		And I've got a sneaking suspicion there is no body.
		Because, you know, not just trying to keep the fact that maybe a UFO crashed with alien beings running around town, but maybe one of them had a terrible viral infection, an Ebola-like infection.
		Don't you think that's a good reason to put the hat on this?
		My God, you'd have scared everybody to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I would say it would be a very good reason because that would mean any contact perhaps with one of these aliens or any alien could result in what you just described.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of this came down on an apparent very healthy man who was how old?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		23 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In how many days?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		20 days?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, roughly 20 some odd days, less than three weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd say that that'd be a reason to put a hat on this, all right?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, I'm sure you've heard this over and over and over again, like beating a drum.
unidentified		Why don't they come down and shake hands with you?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Land on the White House lawn.
		Well, yeah, land on the White House lawn, shake hands with Bush, and everybody in the country's dead in less than a month from a bacteria.
		And what movie, what movie depicted that war the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did the doctor offer any private observations or suspicions beyond what came back in the lab tests about, you know.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's what he had to say.
		I can read it to you verbatim.
		Despite the antibiotics, the infection was getting worse.
		After his death, his body was taken for an autopsy, which revealed a urinary tract infection caused by Enderobacter that was confirmed by examinations at hospital Bompastor.
		There was also a lung infection and small pneumonia.
		There could have been a congenital immunodeficiency.
		Is that a laugh?
		Congenital immunodeficiency in a 23-year-old, young, healthy, military fellow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that doesn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that doesn't.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		But he goes on to say, but he didn't have that.
		Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten to be 23 in good health.
		I find that amusing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's how he ends it?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		No, he says his chance of dying when he was a boy was much higher.
		Any kind of disease can kill a person with immunodeficiency.
		So he didn't have that for sure, or at least he didn't have the immunodeficiency the day he died.
		For this reason, it, the immunodeficiency, was surely acquired.
		How he acquired that, no one knows.
		I say the cause of death was not found because it wasn't pneumonia or the urinary tract infection and the abscess that killed him.
		We still don't know what the cause is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Normally, the World Health Organization or CDC or whatever would fly personnel in for that kind of thing, wouldn't they?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would think so.
		But again, you're dealing with Brazil.
		You know, it's just marvelous to find a hospital that even has an ICU.
		Now, the two doctors that came for us and talked in this case, the other one was an orthopedic surgeon.
		And they had to quarantine or cordon off one section of the same hospital, which was Hospital Regional, where this being was treated, which we can go into next.
		So here we have the guy that sort of saves his butt, takes him to the hospital.
		First, incidentally, I don't know what I mentioned, he was taken to a first aid station.
		And there he was examined, and they decided they couldn't do anything with the poor guy.
		So that's when they took him to Hospital Regionale.
		And then comes the doctor I interviewed, who was there in the hospital and saw a gradual influx of military people.
		But he said that this wasn't surprising because the military would bring in injured victims from time to time from whatever they had happened on the base.
		And so to see military people in the hospital was not surprising.
		But as the night wore on, there was more of them, and they actually cordoned off a section of the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the suspicion was that there was other contact and there were just others that had proximity that were getting checked out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what you think?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Now, this is a very good question, and that's a question that I put to the Brazilian researchers not long after I heard the report from Dr. Furtado.
		And he says that according to military witnesses, and you've got to remember, military stints in Brazil are not like they are here.
		They're much shorter.
		These people go in, they do their thing, and they're out.
		And once they're out, they blab, they talk.
		Evidently, there were more people who were getting sick that reported to the military medical unit there.
		And there's also some suspicion that some civilians also became ill.
		That's all we know now.
		But as I said, we were making a comparison between Roswell and this case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now you say that the hospital was, portion of it was cordoned off.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		It was cordoned off by military personnel and restricted, and not even the medical personnel were allowed in and out of the area.
		Excuse me.
		Once the control was put on, then it was off-limits to all personnel in the hospital.
		And as I understand it, part of this was the surgery and the maternity unit where they had more space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is just an astounding story, isn't it?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is in all aspects.
		And, you know, writing the book, which took me quite some time, and discussing it even in the time that we have on the air, we're only highlighting a few of the features of the case.
		So, you know, if someone is interested, and I certainly can't see why they wouldn't be, they've got to get a book and read what's in there because I've got almost the latest information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull all the way back to the crashing vehicle with the piece missing and smoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, doctor, that it's worth speculating that the United States shot this thing, shot at this thing, and that NORAD damn well knew where it was going to come down because they were tracking it after we did whatever we did?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, after being involved for as long as they've been involved in this field, you know, not just running out of the pumpkin patch.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Here's, for example, President Reagan going gung-ho for this Star Wars thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And a time where we have no particular mortal enemies here that are going to attack us.
		The Cold War is winding down to an end.
		The Soviet Union is folding up like a clam.
		And he's out pushing, you know, Star Wars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, he pushed it before the Soviet Union collapsed like a clam.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, he did.
		It was an inspiration during that time.
		But I'm saying he pushed it, but it was still pushed after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite right.
		And actually, it's still being pushed today.
		I've read, I don't know how many stories recently about the U.S. weaponizing space.
		It's a big, really big topic right now.
		And our military basically is saying, yeah, we're going to essentially weaponize space.
		We have to protect.
		In fact, one of the quotes was that if U.S. satellites were taken out of commission, it would bring the United States to its knees.
		So will we weaponize space to protect our assets?
		I think so.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can weaponize our space to protect our assets, or we can protect, as Regan alluded to, something.
		It's either something without or something within.
		And if they got some pointed in a different direction, it may be protection, but it's protection from what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, my advice to the President and to the military would be the Same as I gave to a man last night on the air.
		And that is that geometric race of intelligent beings that could cross light years to get to us probably shouldn't shoot at them.
		Because if they had that technology and we upset them, it seems like they could, I don't know, sterilize the world.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, even if they don't have that intent and their intent is quite benign, and you do shoot at them, I think, you know, by all means, they certainly have a right to defend themselves.
		But, you know, it always amuses me that we look at non-terrestrial beings in the strict sense that there's some organized affair like in Star Trek, the Federation of Planets.
		How do we know, for example, that Joe Kluck on planet Zig, about, oh, in this neighborhood, only about four light years away, gets the weekend off.
		And he says to the wife, hey, I'm going to go down to Joe's saucer lot.
		I'm going to rent a saucer, grab the kids, we'll pack lunch.
unidentified		We'll hear about this crazy little blue planet out there in one of the arms of the Milky Way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're going to do a flyby.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we'll hang there for the weekend.
		I hear they kill themselves.
		They not only do that, but they destroyed the planet.
		We'll put on the quoking device.
		We'll hang around.
unidentified		We'll have lunch.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		We'll have a ball.
unidentified		We'll come home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, Doctor.
		Hold it right there.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Music I need another.
		I don't know.
		Can you hear my heartbeat in this heart?
		Do you know that behind all these walls...
		Like this feeling...
		...heap inside of me?
		Girl, you just don't realize...
		...what you do to me.
		When you hold me...
		...in your arms so tight...
		...let me know...
		...everything's alright.
		I put down a feeling...
		I'm high on a leaving...
		...not you're in love with me.
		It's as sweet as candy...
		...its taste is on my mind.
		Girl, you got me thirsty...
		...for another...
		...cup of wine.
		Got a buck from you girl...
		...but I don't need a cure...
		...I should stay up at 10...
		...if I can't be so...
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, everybody.
		Dr. Roger Lear is here.
		His book, UFO Crash in Brazil, coming out at a most auspicious moment.
		I mean, here we have the announcement by Brazil that it's going to make all its UFO information public.
		That's gathering headlines, Ashley.
		Round ufology tonight.
		Here's Dr. Lear right on time.
unidentified		Dr. Lear
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Lear, Don in New York, New York, obviously listening to the mighty station I grew up with, WABC 77 in New York, says, obvious question, Art, why would somebody, anybody, put a creepy-looking alien on their lap?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a good question.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I don't really know if I have an answer to that, but you know, when you're in the military, you do what you're supposed to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but there are limits and legal orders and crazy orders.
		And if somebody said to me, see that alien, that encrusted whatever, put it on your lap while we go wherever we're going.
		I'm sorry, sir.
		That doesn't sound like a lawful nor a smart order to me.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, looking at it that way, you know, you can either follow orders or not.
		And we don't even know if he had an order to do anything.
		But in going over the doctor's testimony, he never found the alien creepy or crusty or any such thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he thought it was cute.
		I don't know.
		I mean, it is a good question, though.
		I mean, yeah, you're right.
		They didn't say creepy-looking, but not human, so it's creepy in a way, sort of.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, even the girls that I interviewed, one was very adamant about this being an intelligent creature.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		She didn't know what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it scared the hell out of her.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		It scared the hell out of her because she associated it with the devil.
		Each one of the three girls had different impressions of what they saw.
		And I was able to do interviews with two of them.
		Now, there are other individuals that have gone there.
		The late Dr. John Mack was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He interviewed the girls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall his trip there, yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And it was his impression that they were certainly telling the truth.
		I didn't go there with the purpose of trying to decide whether they were telling the truth.
		I went there, as I said originally, looking for physical evidence.
		But the interviews with the girls I wanted to do from another reason.
		I'm surprised that Dr. Mack didn't do it.
		I wanted to know if they or the mother had some relationship to the abduction phenomena.
		And I found some rather strange things in that note.
		But the second girl, who was the youngest, as I stated originally, stood there a couple of seconds longer and noticed that the being turned around and looked at her.
		And I questioned her as to why she thought this was something other than an animal.
		I said, are you sure this is not an animal?
		I realize you live.
		It's not too far from where wild animals are seen.
		And she said, no, this was not an animal.
		I mean, she was absolutely adamant.
		And I said, did you think that this creature or whatever it was you saw had intelligence?
		And she said, absolutely.
		Now, she was the only one of the three that said that.
		But as I said, she saw him turn his head and look directly at her.
		The experience that the orthopedic surgeon had, which we can talk about again later, certainly proves that this was not an animal.
unidentified		And again, as I said, it was not creepy and not crusty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's talk about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's a surgeon, so he should know quite a bit about what it was we were dealing with, or at least, I don't know, have professional opinions.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I think when I went there, I received a reception from the very beginning that was quite extraordinary to me.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The plane landed at a very small airport, and there was no security at this day and age, which was quite surprising at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were aware of your arrival.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Evidently.
		The stairs were rolled up to the plane, and we were sitting in the back.
		I was there with my friend, another doctor, who had agreed to go and do some of my filming for me.
		And so the rest of the passengers on the plane got up and got off before we did.
		And we grabbed the bags that we had, and we started walking off the plane.
		As we started going off, we noticed that there was a crowd of people.
		I mean, people poured out of this little terminal to come up to the plane.
		To tell you the truth, I was kind of scared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, with that kind of a reception, wouldn't you also be perhaps concerned about the possibility of a setup?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it sounds as though it almost could be planned.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, there were numerous things that went through my mind.
		I mean, number one, like I said, there was no security there.
		I'd like to see you land in the smallest airport in the United States in some kind of a commercial liner and have people just bust out of the terminal and run out to the runway.
		It just doesn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in some countries, yes, you're allowed to.
		In fact, they don't even have transport to airplanes in a lot of countries.
		You just walk right up, you know, on the runway, you walk right up the tarnac and to the steps and go up the plane.
		That's it.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, these were people who were greeting an arriving plane.
		You just don't do that.
		So, yeah, I was kind of shook up.
		Who knows what was going on?
		Maybe I was going to be arrested when I walked down the stairs.
		But the first thing that happened was that someone stuck out their hand and started shaking hands with me, and another fellow popped up as the interpreter and told me that the gentleman that I had just shook hands with was the mayor.
		You know, me?
		Who in the heck am I to receive a reception from a mayor of a city?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		You tell me.
		I mean, what was the excitement?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's still to this day.
		I mean, the word obviously got out that I was coming to Virginia, and I don't know what kind of preparation they had made.
		But this is a little town now who has become quite famous for this event that occurred.
		And they're just realizing today, I understand, that perhaps they can make a couple of bucks from getting tourists to go there.
		This is not a tourist town.
		You don't go to Virginia.
		You go there if you want to do something with agriculture or farming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but this could be a motive, though, for staging an entire event.
		And maybe you, as a great American ufologist, coming to investigate this and validate it and make it a very important place that people would want to visit.
		I don't know.
		I can see you'd be very welcome.
		That's what I guess I meant by a setup.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's possible.
		But again, I don't know today.
		All I do know is what happened after I got there.
		And people started coming forth that would volunteer to talk to me.
		They wouldn't talk to anybody before.
		And one of them was this physician that was at Hospital Regionale.
		And he didn't want to talk to me as a UFO researcher.
		I think he just wanted to talk to me because I was a colleague.
		And there was nobody else for him to talk to for six years.
		So the interview was probably one of the most emotional events that ever occurred to me in my life.
		Here's a guy who starts out by telling us that all this was rumors.
		These were things that he'd heard from his friends and colleagues in the hospital.
		He had no first-hand knowledge of any Of this, and then winds up at the end of the interview sitting in a chair with his hands shaking, his head lowered, and tears running down his cheeks.
		So, you know, that's his disclaimer at the beginning was absolute nonsense.
		One of the things I found at the beginning when I was introduced to him, he spoke almost no English, and I don't speak that much Portuguese.
		And he asked me to come with him privately, and he took me into one of the examining rooms, and he had a patient on the table who had a fracture of a foot with x-rays up on the view box.
		And he motioned for me to look at the foot and look at the x-rays.
		And I was very happy to oblige.
		And during that session, where we went ahead and I assisted him in putting a cast on the foot, we were able to talk in medical terminology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Which was almost the same, whether it was English or Portuguese or whatever else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that's right, yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So we had a common bond before the actual formal part of the interview ever began.
		So most of the information I was getting from Uberjar's son, Rodolfo, who was fluent in English.
		But when it came to the medical aspects, they probably understood a lot less than I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what brought this man to tears?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, he talked from the beginning the happenings of that night and how he saw an increase in military personnel in the hospital.
		And he didn't really think that much of it because sometimes they brought in accident cases from the base and so on.
		But he saw something that he felt was sort of strange.
		The military personnel were guarding certain doorways and the hospital and civilian personnel were not allowed to go in or out.
		But he just went on doing what he usually does.
		At one point, he was asked by two military police officers to accompany him, and he was taken into the wing that they had cordoned off.
		And this part of it was the surgery suites.
		And he was asked to scrub for a case.
		And when he inquired as to what kind of a case it was, they wouldn't tell him anything.
		So he did, and he finished a scrub gown and then went into the surgical room.
		And there was a military guard on the outside, on the door.
		And basically, he was told not to come out until the job was done.
		Not knowing what the job was supposed to be or what he was supposed to do there.
		So he looked at the patient on the table, and the patient was covered up with a drape sheet, and he was still doing his preparation.
		They had x-rays up on a view box, and he said, well, you know, he thought it was a child with some sort of fracture because he is an orthopedic surgeon.
		So he looked at the x-rays, and he told me the first thing that he saw was he recognized the bone structure, and this would have been the femur, which is the bone in the thigh.
		But when he was looking at it, he thought that the victim had severe osteoporosis because he saw these large, what do you call lacunae in the bones, the cavities and bone, like sometimes you find in an older person who has severe osteoporotic bone.
		That he didn't quite understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So did he go as far as to suggest that it didn't look human?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or just human with disease?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, the bone.
		It looked human, but it was peculiarities.
		Okay.
		Then he went over to the table and they pulled the drape sheet back and he looked at this thing's face and I guess he was akin to falling over.
		He knew that it wasn't human and he knew that it wasn't some kind of deformity that he had ever seen before.
		But it was some kind of a bipedal creature, two arms and two legs.
		And he described it as being less than five feet tall.
		The skin was brown and what he called reticulated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		He explained this as seeing outlines of like large scales, but then when you went to touch the skin, of course he was all gloved, so he was protected.
		But he said the skin was very smooth and you couldn't feel any demarcation between this scaly-like appearance.
		The skin was very, very smooth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A scaly area that looked, or it looks scaly, but to touch it, the same as the rest of the skin.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And the body was hairless, no hair on the head, the arms, on the torso.
		The head, the color was brown, and the skin was oily.
		And there was a set of external blood vessels like varicose veins that coursed up the shoulders and did not go up into the neck, but were only on the shoulders.
		The head was, he said, quite large in proportion to the torso.
		And the face had two large upturned eyes that were red in color, but he did not want to look this creature in the eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never liked red eyes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And he said, I asked him why, and he said he really didn't know.
		He just didn't want to look it in the eye.
		But what he did see was that the eyes looked like two pools of liquid and gave this very strange feeling, which made him definitely not want to look it in the eye at all.
		On the top of the head were three protuberances that ran from the front above the forehead to the back that stuck out about an inch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you mentioned that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like bone protrusions?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, bone protuberances running across the head from the front to the Back, one on each side and one right across the middle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that made that girl think it was devil-like.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I think so, because you know, you pictured the devil with horns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The color and the red eyes and so on.
		That's probably what gave them the impression of the devil.
		Very bad.
		So very little mouth, no particular nose, nothing that you considered ears, no pina, the outside, you know, fleshy part of our ears.
		The neck was thin and looked like it couldn't support the head well.
		The torso was that, he said, like a child.
		He says the arms were emaciated, very thin, long.
		Hands went down to about the lower center of the thighs.
		The hands had four fingers.
		And the fingers, he said, could articulate with each other.
		In other words, you could take the second finger and make it work with the fifth finger.
		There was no opposed thumb.
		And he said mechanically, a hand that operated in this manner didn't need a thumb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he absolutely convinced at this point that he was looking at a non-human?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or did he have some imagine in some way he was looking at a deformed human?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		No, I asked him that specifically.
		And after he saw the face and neck, he had no doubts in his mind that this was not a human being.
		Then he went on to, again, he described how the fingers worked.
		And he didn't know whether they were multi-jointed fingers or whether they were composed of some kind of soft cartilage that could bend.
		But he said the hand could do anything that we could do with our hand without the use of the thumb.
		He said there was no navel, there was no umbilicus, no belly button, there was no external genitalia seen.
		The legs, he said, were quite muscular and short.
		And there was a normal-looking knee without a visible patella.
		It was the kneecap.
		You didn't really see a kneecap.
		We got down to the foot.
		The legs just sort of went into the foot without the normal appearance of a human ankle.
		He talked about the toes, there being three large, very fleshy toes with no toenails.
		But he described another appendage which came off the center portion, like if you're looking at your foot, the mid-arch area, the side of the arch, and there was an appendage that he called a vestigial appendage.
		Now, I don't know where he got that idea.
		But he said it hung down in a relaxed position so that it was 90 degrees to the long axis of the foot.
		And on the end of this appendage was about a three-quarter of an inch claw.
		But when the being walked, which was later, he saw that he took that appendage and made it parallel with the foot and just walked like a normal human being.
unidentified		Now, when he described this...
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		No, none whatsoever.
		But there was something else that happened.
		Uber Jara, who was sitting there listening to the testimony, when he talked about this appendage, he sat straight up in his chair and got kind of wild-eye.
		And I looked at him and I said, you know, does that mean something to you?
		And he said, that explains it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		That explains it.
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		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Now we begin, now that you're gone, needles and pins, why had you done?
		Watching that love, till you return, hiding that door and watching you burn.
		Now we begin, now we begin.
		You got the beautiful colour.
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		Good morning from the high deserts.
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		In a moment, we'll get back to Dr. Roger Lear.
		The claw appendage and the exclamation.
		Well, that explains it.
		You know, I've been trying to think myself, an appendage on the side of a foot that amounts to a claw, what would be the purpose of that?
		Well, a little extra balance?
		Yeah, I guess it would provide that.
		The appendage of a predator.
		That might explain it.
		I wonder what did explain it, Doctor?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if we really have an explanation, but as I said, Ibirajar jumped up and said that explains it.
		And I said, what is it that it explains?
		And he said, when he went to investigate the area where the three girls saw the creature kneeling, he said he could see the impression in the ground.
		But just about where the foot was, there was a round hole in the ground.
		And he couldn't figure out what caused that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that explains the footprint.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guess is as good as any, a predator's foot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, monkeys have what's called a monkey grooming claw.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And when I went through all that research that we did on the Gary Lowry case with the so-called claw, we found that certain animals have claws for grooming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Others have claws with a little canal in them that contained a gland that puts out poison.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So I don't think this looks like a description of a creature that has a claw for a weapon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this a procedure that the doctor was doing, was all of this in some way recorded?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Were there cameras in the room?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the question?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		No.
		He said there were no military personnel in the room.
		They were all outside.
		But the intimidation was there, and he was not supposed to come out until the job was done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would think something of this magnitude, working on an alien creature, they would want to memorialize every second of it from the military point of view.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, I bet you bottom dollar that if it occurred here, there would have been a camera in each corner of the room, and it would have been a sterile environment, and they wouldn't have been just wearing a scrub suit and a mask.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		They would have been wearing a helmet, and the air would have been evacuated, and they would have been using a re-reading system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure all that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but not in Brazil.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Not in Brazil.
		No.
		Jumping to the end, supposedly the bodies were taken to the University of Campinas, and it was that area that during the Civil War, some tunnels were dug and rooms were set up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait, wait.
		The bodies were taken.
		Now, I want to know what happened to this alien.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I just threw that in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was afraid this alien was one of the bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't, was it?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, unfortunately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, it was there to be treated for what I thought was roughly the same thing as a broken leg or something, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how do we get from there to dead?
unidentified		Okay.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Next part to the story.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Part two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The rest of the story.
		The surgeon went ahead and he looked at the wound.
		It was a compound fracture, which means the bone was sticking through the skin.
		And he reduced the fracture as best as possible.
		He approximated the bone ends.
		I mean, you put the bone back and you put the ends back together.
		And then in human medicine, what we do is we take some stabilizing device, a pin, a screw, a plate, or something, and we plate it and fixate it.
		It's called fixating a fracture so that the thing stays.
		And then you close the surrounding tissue and you close the skin and then you put a cast on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Normally painful but not fatal.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Normally painful, not fatal.
		Could be fatal if there was something like an embolus, which is a cloth that forms and gets carried out through the lung.
		But it's very rare.
		So, normal people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They never said a word about embolisms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bear that in mind.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, how long ago was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was all in my 20s, and it was the crashing part of hang gliding.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, since that was just yesterday, you know, we wouldn't expect to find any difference.
		But today, today, you would go in and they would tell you everything that was going to happen to you, even having a general anesthesia, the possibility you might die.
		They would discuss embolism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They really would talk about all of that today?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In my case, I just walked into the doctor's office.
		A nurse was there.
		He set the arm.
		It freaked her out so badly.
		She started sweating and fainted.
		I had so much dope in me that I didn't feel anything.
		And anyway, that's how that worked.
		I never heard a word about embolisms or anything else.
		So they would tell you all of that today.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll tell you all that today.
		And if it was an operating room, when I started this, which was a good number of years ago, we used to go into surgery, and it was very light-hearted, and it was fun.
		You enjoyed doing what you're doing.
		If you wanted to crack a joke, you cracked a joke.
		Today you go in, there's a camera in either corner of the room, while your conversation is being recorded.
		You better not smile even under your mask or somebody will detect it, and that's negligence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Today's medicine.
		Great.
		This is great.
		All right.
		Let's not get away from this story.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, here's the guy on the table, and he's got the fracture, and it's being set.
		The bone ends are put together, and the doctor is trying to decide what to use for a fixation device on an unknown creature with unknown bone.
		And so he goes in to look at the fracture site again and get it cleaned up.
		And amazingly, he can't move the ends of the bone.
		They don't move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't move.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		You can't pull them apart.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So I started asking him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean he wants that it healed already?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		It had already started to heal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And I asked him about the color.
		He said the color was pinkish, which was very the same color as a human bone.
		He said the bone was pretty much like human bone, except that it had these large cavities, or what he called lacunae, in the bone.
		And he says what that did was gave the bone a tensile strength, which was much, much greater than human bone and made it lighter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Then I asked him about the blood.
		I said, was it blue or yellow or green?
		What color was the blood?
		And he kind of chuckled at that point and said, no, it was the same color as human blood.
		It was red, and I asked him about the condition.
		Oh, yeah, they took samples and they sent it to the lab and they ran all kinds of tests on it and looked for the electrolytes and things.
		And he said the cellular structure was very similar to human blood with the exception that the small white cells, the platelets, were, I think he said, tenfold over what it is in the human body.
		And he said the blood would clot almost immediately when it came out of the blood vessel.
		But he didn't know whether that was because of the increased number of platelets or whether the blood was being introduced into an atmosphere that was far different than what it was used to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that number of platelets might indicate a more efficient clotting and healing system, right?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's very possible.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		But it also, you know, maybe they didn't come from the same gaseous environments as we have on Earth's atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this man now had a sample of alien blood.
unidentified		Right.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		A sample of alien blood and bone.
unidentified		They sent him both to the lab.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, he went ahead and to the best of his ability, just didn't fixate it, and he closed the rest of it.
		And what he said happened next was the most amazing thing that he'd ever seen.
		He said he didn't put it into the cast because he didn't know what to expect and felt that it was safer, you know, both for the patient and for him.
		Because if something happened to the patient, who knows what would happen to him.
unidentified		Right.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So he watched it and he said in a 24-hour period, everything healed, including the skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So right now we have a healthy, healed alien, and soon we have a dead alien.
		I mean, how do we get from there to there?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I said, what condition was the alien in when, or the being in when he left the hospital facility with a military guard?
		And he very specifically said to me he was in satisfactory medical condition.
		Now that art is a very specific medical term.
		You talk about any dignitary or actor or actress that's reported in a hospital and they tell you what condition.
		It's critical.
		It's satisfactory, etc., etc.
		So when you say satisfactory condition, that means that all vital signs are present and the patient is ambulatory.
		That means they can walk okay and they can breathe and everything is functioning well.
		That is the condition that this creature left the hospital with a military escort.
		He was taken immediately and put into a military truck and from there witnesses outside of the hospital said that the trucks left the back portion of Humanitas Hospital and immediately took him to another hospital.
		Now we don't know whether something transpired after it left the hospital general or whatever the reason, but they took him to another hospital.
		Now shall we talk again about the last thing that happened in the operating room?
		Please.
		I asked the doctor, as any curious person would ask medical and otherwise, did you have any communication with this creature?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		He became silent.
		And he said, well, I'm going to tell you something that happened in the operating room.
		You can believe it or not.
		He said, when we had almost finished the surgery, he said the room began to fill with a greenish haze.
		He said he didn't know whether it was coming from the creature or whether it was coming from somewhere else.
		He didn't know whether it was going to be toxic.
		They didn't smell anything.
		And as the room filled with this greenish haze, he turned around and he saw that the source of it was the being laying on the table.
		He lost eyes with the creature, which he didn't want to do.
		And he said at this point, he could not remove his eyes.
		And he said that it downloaded into his head, it was the best way he could describe it, these thought grams.
		And he said it was like somebody had physically taken a rubber hammer and hit him over the head time after time after time after time, resulting in something that was akin to the worst possible migraine headache with nausea and vomiting, which lasted for over two weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was information being imparted with every hit of the mallet?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So I asked him if he would tell us what this creature told him, and he said, I am only going to tell you two things.
		And that were two things that it talked about in relation to the human race.
		And he said that they, wherever they or wherever they come from, felt sorry for human beings.
		And I said, why?
		And he said, for two main reasons.
		Number one, that human beings had the capability of doing everything that they could do.
		And as an example, he said it would not be necessary for wherever he came from to be brought to a facility to have the repair done to his body that he had done here.
		That they could either do it singly or they could join together and heal.
		And that we could do the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So healing would occur in a very different way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was explaining then to the healer that otherwise this would have been done in a very different way at home, basically.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And the other reason was something that was quite earth-shaking.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		He said that human beings, he felt sorry for human beings because they were totally detached from their spiritual self.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of us, perhaps, more than others, but that may be largely true, I suppose.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that has a lot of deep meaning.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So he just takes us out the back door into a military vehicle, and he's taken to another hospital, and then within the 24-hour period, a small casket is seen being taken out of the back door of that hospital, and with him inside, as reported by medical personnel that were in the hospital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's no possibility of getting information on what occurred in there?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Of course there's possibilities, greater possibilities than certainly anything that had to do with a body seen at Roswell.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		These people are young, and Brazilians don't like to keep their mouths shut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's going to be a whole lot more to this story, isn't there?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		There's more witnesses coming forth all the time, and a little anecdotal story if we have time for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do.
unidentified		We've got plenty of time.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The Brazilian army, the military base there at Sergeant's Camp, is a five-day-a-week assignment for the officers.
		The officers go home.
		They don't stay there on base.
		And because you're used to going home and having interaction with your family, your wife, and so on for the weekends, they make plans.
unidentified		Sure.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		So the weekend went by.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		the husband didn't come home.
unidentified		So, Monday and Tuesday, You're crackling on me.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Monday and Tuesday, the wives were out doing the things like wives do here, getting their hair done, nails and so on, complaining to their operators that their husbands didn't come home that weekend and their plans were ruined.
		Everything that they had planned, doing this and doing that, and what kind of a lousy excuse did they have?
		The husbands were chasing aliens around the countryside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they told their wives, huh?
unidentified		They told their wives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's, oh, isn't that fascinating?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then all the bodies, you said, were delivered to one place?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, everything was eventually wound up at the University of Campinas, which is a large university about 40, 50 miles, I think, from Fargenha.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And it was at this university that the American military presence was seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose that's where everything terminates more or less once the U.S. gets involved.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
		And there, we know also from other testimony that an autopsy was done, and we know who did it.
		a very famous Brazilian pathologist by the name of Baden Palares.
		He, if you remember, was the...
		Because the witnesses there at the university said that he was there doing the autopsy.
		We got the testimony.
		Also, he was a teacher there and held classes, and the class members knew that he was doing an autopsy on some kind of a non-human, non-terrestrial being.
		And they asked him, they pushed him, they begged him as part of the class structure for further information.
		And he told them, he said, I will never talk about this in your lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many witnesses seem to say about that, don't they?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		They certainly do.
		So we know from there now that the stuff was taken eventually back to Sao Paulo.
		And from Sao Paulo, a military transport plane took everything back, undoubtedly back here somewhere, but we don't know where.
		It goes into the pot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somewhere in America, though, are the remains of those aliens.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The Martinia aliens are somewhere in the U.S. and Lord knows how many others from somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And no indication, though, of where in the U.S. Not a clue.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Once you leave a country like Brazil, the vehicle of secrecy goes up and the information goes completely black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		And I'm sure that many of you are going to have questions.
		I'm going to try and fit some of them in.
		What a hell of a story this has been, huh?
		What happened in Brazil on the very night that we're learning that Brazil is about ready to throw open all of its UFO files?
		Now, whether that will include Mr. Say, probably not.
unidentified		I'm sure Dr. Lear does as well.
		I'm our colour, It's all good to meet them My heart is on fire
		and the chicken is a very simple, delicious, and beautiful,
		and delicious, and delicious, and delicious, and delicious, and the city of the city.
		White bird must fly Or she will die White bird must fly Or she will die The sun sets home The sun sets home The clouds will fly The return is home
		The younger times you always grow And she must fly She must fly She must fly She must fly She must fly Good morning.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Dr. Lear has written The Aliens and the Scalpel, very popular book, The Scientific Study of Alien Implants.
		And now, of course, UFO Crash in Brazil.
		You've heard a great deal tonight.
unidentified		in the book obviously you're going to get all the details the
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, with the quality of eyewitness testimony in this case that we've heard about, for example, tonight so far with Dr. Lear, I think it's clear that in the sense that this is contemporary, there is as much, if not more, evidence of alien life in this case than there was in Roswell.
		At least as much as.
		And it's so contemporary.
		I mean, it virtually just happened.
		As the doctor pointed out, the people are young.
		Brazilians are given to talk about these subjects as evidenced by their government's announcement just to release all the information they have on ufology.
		Hopefully, it would include something of this magnitude.
		But in that way, it is bigger than Roswell, right, Doctor?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That certainly is.
		I've thought about this.
		I've given it some thought over and over again.
		I actually talked about it in the book.
		Certainly, we touched on some of the major events of the case.
		And probably we should finish by saying that the story does not end with the events of the week of January the 20th or the death of the military police officer,
		because three months later, an individual who was giving a party at the local Marginia Zoo in a small room, which I visited in a secluded area of the zoo.
		The zoo is very jungle-like in Marginia.
		And she stepped out on the porch during this little party and decided to have a cigarette.
		So she lit up a cigarette, and as she turned to light the cigarette, she learned, she looked, and saw staring at her from the upper level of the porch a creature looking at her, which she described exactly the same way as the other eyewitnesses in the Virginia case,
		except that this creature, she said, was wearing some kind of short helmet that was gold in color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way for the witnesses, did they manage to discern, I mean, you told me quite a bit, but did they come to some conclusion about whether these beings were benign or whether they had, well, I don't know, evil, some kind of bad intent toward us?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		There was no indication by any of the witnesses that any of the creatures that were involved in the capture by the Brazilian military or seen by civilian witnesses did anything To provoke anybody.
		Certainly, the creature that the two military police officers stopped to help and one to pick up and take in his car, it was very evident that he gave almost no resistance whatsoever.
		Even the creatures that the Brazilian Army and Fire Department chased through the clearing, into the little woods, only seemed to be running from them.
		They did not seem to be hostile in any way.
		And if one of them was shot, you know, again, we don't know exactly what happened because the witnesses could not see what happened in the little forested area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, what about evidence after the fact?
		I mean, for example, blood samples.
		That would be extremely convincing evidence, I would think.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's my hope, Art.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I made a very sincere promise to the orthopedic surgeon that I would not reveal his name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but still, if you have blood, you have a DNA structure, for example, right?
unidentified		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the deal.
		I didn't get any reports.
		I didn't see any x-rays.
		I wasn't able to bring back anything.
		But I gave this man my word I would not reveal his name because he was terrified.
		And I think now, at this late date, with all these things going on, if I went back there, it's got to be somebody made a copy of the lab report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You damn right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to go back?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to try and get down there before the end of the year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Oh.
		And is your intent, you have intended to come back with that kind of, I mean, that kind of evidence would rock the world, Doctor.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think, you know, there's a greater chance from what's going on here, what's going on now, that, you know, we could possibly get this evidence.
		Because if the Brazilian Air Force is turning this material over and it's going to become public knowledge, then somebody who has one of these documents say, okay, it's public knowledge.
		You know, here, take it.
		It's yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your expectation of this announcement, this timely announcement, I might add, by the Brazilian government, they're going to let everything loose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't expect it to include this.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Personally, no.
		But the people who might have something, you know, without it coming from the government or from the military, they might decide, well, look, the Air Force is letting stuff go.
		Maybe these documents I took home, hey, I'll let people take a look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		A couple of very quick questions.
		You're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have a question?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't catch the very beginning of this.
unidentified		When did this happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did the incident occur?
		You're right.
		You didn't catch the beginning.
		You might want to catch the replay.
		It was a very intense story, and I trust they'll replay it at the end of the program tonight, hopefully in your market.
		All right, Doctor?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		January the 20th of 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it occurred over a period of how many hours or days, would you say, actively going on?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The intense activity took place from the night of January the 19th through the 22nd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through the 22nd.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Roger Lear.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Katina.
		I'm from Greenville, South Carolina.
		Yes.
		My question was more about the gentleman who caught the illness.
		My sister recently passed away with an illness that was incredibly similar to the one the doctor described.
		She had an infection in her blood.
		She had pneumonia.
		She had the areas on her skin.
		But she is not either in the military or anything like that.
		As far as I know, she's never had any abductions or anything of that sort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was the cause of death in her case, listed asked?
unidentified		Same kind of thing.
unidentified		She just had an autopsy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		In this case, there was no cause of death listed, not really.
		So what specifically was said about your sister?
unidentified		Okay, every time they did an extraction of the material or bacteria or infection that was in her body, they never could get anything to grow so they could study it.
unidentified		They never were able to identify it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is pretty weird, Doctor.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to know if someone received a death certificate.
unidentified		I mean, she just passed away the 16th of this month?
unidentified		Yes, just recently.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be interesting to see what it says on the death certificate as the cause of death, because in the United States, no matter what state you're in, to meet all the legal qualifications, a cause of death must be listed.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Will she also have, like the app says?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Will you please contact us with that information when you get it?
unidentified		I will definitely do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		God, you wouldn't want to think, would you, Doctor, that something like that is loose in some way?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do we know?
		You know, the whole abduction phenomenon, for example, people are very reticent to talk about it.
		They have, you know, many fears.
		Seven traumas is what late John Mack, Dr. Mack listed in his book, Abduction.
		So who in the world was going to talk about deaths following an abduction?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're quite right.
		Sure.
		Sure.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Karen from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Karen, you're going to have to yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		I'm sorry.
		Is that better?
		Better.
		Okay.
		Yeah, I missed it when you came back from break, when the doctor looked at the guy's claw on the foot and said, now I understand.
		What did he understand?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		We did cover that, but nevertheless, Doctor, what Ubajara Rodriguez, the chief investigator in the case, was so shocked About had to do with the fact that when he examined the area where the creature was kneeling by the wall, he found a little round hole in the ground at the area where the foot was.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And that was the explanation because there was probably this appendage that made the little round hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that should do it.
		Let's go to first-time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
		Amanda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amanda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are you, Amanda?
unidentified		I'm on the North Carolina-South Carolina line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way back there, okay.
unidentified		And I've been waiting for a show like this.
		Well, here it is.
		I have a question.
		I'd like to ask Dr. Lear to give some more information on the implants he's removed.
		And I also think I have implants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, that's a whole nother show.
		and we've done shows on the implants but briefly doctor if you want to You remove these implants.
		I think perhaps publicly at least you've removed more, and probably even in private, than any other doctor in the world of these sorts of suspected things, right?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That's correct, Art.
		And I've been in practice for 41 years, and before I ever got involved with the abduction phenomena or UFOs and this nature, I've extracted hundreds of things from the human foot, from paper to glass to hair, to nails, to whatever.
		And in all cases, I can honestly say I was only interested in two things.
		One was whether it came out satisfactory and it was all gone, or if there was any lesions in the area to know that they were benign and healed.
		I never gave any thought to what these objects might be.
		But in answer to the lady's question, we've now done 11 cases which produced 12 objects.
		And 11 of these have had scientific interest, very most unusual findings.
		I can still refer you to my first book, The Aliens and the Scalpel, which I think you can still get on amazon.com, or a case book, Alien Implants.
		I think it's still available on the bookstores.
		I'm coming out with a new second edition of the first book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you come to any conclusions, Doctor, about the implants themselves, whether they're active, essentially, and controlling in some way, or simple listening and monitoring devices, or what?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I think they're, first of all, a form of advanced nanotechnology, and the purpose might be to transmit biological data that has to do with our changing DNA.
		And I can't, I don't have nowhere near the time to go into all the details that made me reach that conclusion.
		But I usually don't like to jump out and give answers for something that is conjecture.
		But scientifically, you can advance a theory, but it has to be taken into the laboratory and either proven or disproven.
		But at the present time, at the present date, 2005, after doing quite a few of these, that is my present feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You sure have, with everything you've told us tonight, earned a book plug.
		UFO Crash in Brazil, and we've been talking about it all night tonight, the UFO crash in Brazil, this one, is available in this country now.
		It's on Amazon.
		Could I go cruising to Amazon and get it?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		You should be able to.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Or you can get it by calling an 800 number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Which is 800-700-8733.
		Or you can go through my website, alienscalpel, with 1s.com, alienscalpel.com.
		Or you can call 805-495-2613, and you can get a personalized coffee.
unidentified		And if you say...
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Right, I'll sign it, make it to whoever is ordering it.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And if you say you've heard it on Coast to Coast with Art Bell, it's only $1 shipping and handling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my gosh.
		All right.
		That last number where you can get the personalized version, let's have that again.
unidentified		805-805-495-495-2613.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2613.
		Oh, that's a good deal.
		Is that a number that you have to answer personally?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		It will either be answered by my secretary or by an answering device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how much is the book?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		The book is $14.95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$14.95.
		Well, my guess is it's going to sell like hotcakes with what's going on.
		It just couldn't be better.
		And I'm sure you must have jumped for joy when you heard the story about Brazil breaking in the press.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't believe it.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		And just, as I said, another synchronicity with the way my life has been going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm willing to bet you that the Nightly News will probably pick this up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, not a lot of time, but a question if you have it for Dr. Lear.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning.
unidentified		I was wondering if anyone knew the approximate weight of the creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The approximate weight.
		Okay, well, it was small.
		We know that.
		Doctor, weight?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Don't have an answer.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		I don't even remember if I asked that question because I don't know if there would have been time enough for any medical personnel to have weighed the creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would be interesting, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would tell us something about density, I suppose, huh?
unidentified		That it would.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That would be very, very much.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		That was an excellent question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Roger Lear.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
unidentified		Gary, you're listening in on San Diego here, Cogo, AM 600.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Dr. Lear, I'm a friend with Dr. Stephen Greer, and we probably had a representative visit to you.
		His name is Dan from Hypertech.
		Anyway, my question is: now I know they're going to put these documents on the internet somehow, but I think it would be a good idea if it had some officiation coming from the Brazilian government and posted on the Internet.
		What do you think about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a fact, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although whether we could expect that, even with this latest announcement, I don't know.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Doctor?
		I don't know.
		They're going to poke at this time.
		I mean, we know what's happened.
		I haven't seen it.
		I know that AJ is getting it translated into English because all of the documents are written in Portuguese.
		So anything that's posted is going to have to be a translation.
		but the the the document that i brought back from brazil signed by the brazilian authorities uh...
		were in and portuguese and i had them translated into english is do you think there'd be a way uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		to I mean, that would just blow the lid off the whole world.
		Because obviously there'd be, presumably, different DNA.
		I mean, the blood would be the smoking gun.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		You know, can it be done?
		Yeah.
		You know, somebody's got to have something somewhere.
		Don't tell me, you know, that they did as good as they would do here.
		I mean, even the report by the farmer talking about how the Brazilian military across the field, I'm sure with the training that's being done here with our military groups for crash retrieval far surpasses what they ever did there.
		There may be something still laying in that field.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When might you go back?
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometime between now and the end of the year, there's a couple of things that are coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, we're out of time.
		I've got to go.
		Brother, what a show.
		Thank you so very much.
roger leir ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for having me all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good night.
		There you have it.
		Classic stuff.
		Dr. Roger Lear from the High Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Hope you have a great week.
unidentified		Good night.
		Good night in the desert, shooting stars across the sky.
		This magical journey will take the sun around.
		Filled with the longing, searching for the truth.

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