Michael Drosnin reveals Citizen Hughes—based on 10,000 stolen documents, including 3,000 in Howard Hughes’ handwriting—exposes Hughes’ alleged bribes of U.S. presidents (Nixon, Johnson) with $100,000 bundles and ties to the CIA, Pentagon, mafia, and Las Vegas casinos, stemming from his father’s oil-drill patent. His paranoia, fueled by Nevada nuclear tests and groundwater fears, drove him to isolate in blacked-out rooms, fly nude, and fund political corruption like Watergate, while his racism stemmed from deep-seated solipsism. Drosnin’s accidental discovery of the Bible code—verified by mathematician Eliyahu Rips—predicted Yitzhak Rabin’s 1995 assassination, sparking Mossad interest despite his secular stance, suggesting hidden patterns in history may defy suppression. [Automatically generated summary]
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told the Army to do anything that's needed to end Palestinian rocket, mortar, and bomb attacks.
And the government has now dismissed call by the PLO leadership for a halt to militant violence hours before Palestinians claimed that Israeli tank fire, in fact, had killed a 28-year-old man and his mother in the Gaza Strip despite the change in Palestinian leadership.
We note that those at the top have not begun any action whatsoever to halt the terrorism, Sharon said.
And the situation cannot continue.
U.S. troops staged a series of raids in Mosul and elsewhere in northern and central Iraq on Sunday, arresting dozens while insurgents stepped up their attacks two weeks ahead of national elections, ambushing a car that carried a prominent female candidate, also killing 17 people in other assaults.
Defense Secretary Wolfowitz conceded the U.S. and Iraqi forces cannot stop extraordinary intimidation by insurgents before the January 30th vote.
And while Americans like President Bush for the most part, they don't like the war.
The majority of Americans say they feel hopeful about the president's second term, but those hopes are clouded by doubts about when the bloodshed in Iraq is ever going to end.
People say Iraq should be the president's highest priority.
According to the Associated Press, or a Associated Press poll, they found that those surveyed are not particularly optimistic about a stable government and the possibility that it could take hold there.
How about you?
How do you feel?
Are they going to get a stable government there?
Charlie Bell, who began his McDonald's corporation career as a part-time worker, shows you what you can do, in a suburban Sydney restaurant, later became chief exec of the fast food icon, died Monday of colon cancer in his native Australia.
He was 44 years old.
Bell was diagnosed with cancer last May, only a month after ascending to the top job.
He left the fast food giant in November after several rounds of treatment.
His announced death Sunday evening was announced here in the U.S. Zhao Ziang, the former Chinese Communist Party leader who helped pioneer reforms that launched China's economic boom, but was ousted after the 1989 Tiananmen Square pro-democracy protest, died Monday at a Beijing hospital, 85.
They did everything they could, heroics and all the rest of it, but he didn't make it.
All right, we're going to do open lines in a few moments.
I do have a couple of other items for you, however.
Stay right where you are.
Listen to me carefully, everybody.
Since I'm talking to those of you from virtually the Arctic Circle on south, this is worthy of mention, definitely worthy of mention.
Our son, good old soul, let loose with a coronal blast that is headed directly for Earth.
As a matter of fact, it has begun to arrive.
In minutes before the show, I think the KP Index, which is a measure of what's going on out there, hit about six or seven, I don't know.
Anyway, space weather says we are in for a severe solar storm.
Now, that doesn't mean a whole lot to most people, except that it may be possible, just possible, that in the next few hours, those of you in the higher and perhaps even middle latitudes of the U.S. would be able to walk out, and if you have a nice, starry, clear night, you may get quite an auroral treat tonight because it's really going to lay down on us, folks.
Now, what happens is these particles come from erasing from the sun at the speed of light, and then other particles come speeding from the sun at a little less than the speed of light, and when they hit our magnetic field, it bends,
it pushes, it gives a little bit, and the result many times in our skies is just a beautiful display of auroral lights that's sometimes shimmy like jellow and can be red and green and blue and just virtually every color of the rainbow.
So if you've never seen the aurora, while there are no guarantees, those of you in the northern latitudes have a really good chance, even those of you in the, and you never know, every now and then, it's just a few years ago, I think, that during my program, we got a big warning, and sure enough, I went outside during a break, and the entire northern sky was blood red.
It was cool.
And I think I came back in here and screamed full-tilt boogie, and a lot of you went outside and got to see it.
So I'm not guaranteeing it for tonight, but we are really getting hit right now.
The following appeared on the Drudge Report, and it was by a senior space writer.
And The article is entitled, E.T. Visitors: Scientists See High Likelihood.
Decades ago, it was physicist Enrico Fermi who pondered the issue of extraterrestrial civilizations with fellow theorists over lunch, generating the famous quip, Where are they?
The question later became central to debates about the cosmological census count of other star folk and possible extraterrestrial visitors from afar.
Fermi's brooding on the topic was labeled later Fermi's Paradox.
It is a well-traveled tale from the 1950s when the scientists broached the subject in discussions with colleagues at Los Alamos, New Mexico.
Thoughts regarding the probability of Earth-like planets, the rise of highly advanced civilizations out there, and interstellar travel, these remain fodder for trying to respond to Fermi's paradox even today.
Now, a team of American scientists note that recent astrophysical discoveries suggest that we should find ourselves in the middle of one or more extraterrestrial civilizations.
Moreover, they argue it is a mistake to reject all the UFO reports, since some evidence for the theoretically predicted extraterrestrial visitors just might be found there.
The researchers make their proposal in the January-slash-February 2005 issue of the Journal of the British.
Pick up any good science magazine, and you're sure to see the latest in head-scratching ideas about superstring theory, wormholes, or the stretching of space-time itself.
Meanwhile, extrasolar planetary detection is on the verge of becoming mundane.
They're finding so many planets up there, it's beginning to get mundane.
The scientists point to two key discoveries made by Australian astronomers and reported last year that there is a galactic habitable zone in the Milky Way galaxy, and more importantly, that Earth's own star, the Sun, is relatively young in comparison to the average star in this zone by as much as, say, a billion years.
Therefore, they explain in their article, an average alien civilization would be far more advanced and have, I don't know if that's good news or not, far more advanced and have long since discovered us, Earth.
Additionally, other research work on the supposition underlying the Big Bang, known as the theory of inflation, shores up the prospect, they advise, that our world is immersed in a much larger extraterrestrial civilization.
And yet still we screech and scream, where are they?
All these were, well, maybe that is evidence.
Now, the next story, I don't know what happened to the caller.
I picked up a call, being totally honest with you, during the news break before the beginning of the show, and the caller said, did you hear about the love bomb?
I said, huh?
What?
Love bomb?
What do you mean?
And I had heard some talk about this.
You know, it sort of bounced off me, and I didn't quite get it.
So I ran over to Matt Drudge's page because one can always depend upon Matt to have whatever's around.
And sure enough, searching the archives and putting in Love Bomb, here it came.
Headline.
U.S. planned to make love, not war, with Gay Bomb.
That's right, folks.
Gay Bomb.
The U.S. military, this has got to be part of the, before I even begin reading, I haven't read the article yet.
The headline ought to be enough.
Anyway, this is probably some of what you heard last night.
You know, being able to modify the genetic code of the human or whatever.
Let's see what's up here.
The U.S. military investigated building a gay bomb, which would make enemy soldiers sexually irresistible to each other.
You've got to be kidding me.
Apparently not.
Other weapons that never saw the light of day include one to make soldiers obvious by their bad breath.
You've got to be kidding me.
To make their breath so bad that even if they were hiding.
The U.S., this is our tax money, folks.
Our tax money.
The U.S. Defense Department considered various non-lethal chemicals meant to disrupt enemy discipline and morale.
The 1994 plans were for a six-year project costing $4 million, but they were never pursued.
I guess not dollars, English pounds.
The U.S. Air Force Wright Laboratory in Ohio sought Pentagon funding for research into what it called harassing, annoying, and bad guy identifying chemicals.
The plans were obtained under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act by the Sunshine Project, a group which monitors research into chemical and biological weapons.
Plan for a so-called love bomb completely dreams.
The plan for a so-called love bomb envisioned an aphrodisiac chemical that would provoke widespread homosexual behavior among young troops, causing what the military called a distasteful, however, completely non-lethal blow to morale.
Scientists also reportedly considered a stingy chemical weapon to attract swarms of enraged wasps or even angry rats toward enemy troops.
A substance to make the skin unbearably sensitive to sunlight was also pondered.
Another idea was To develop a chemical causing severe and lasting halitosis, bad breath, so that enemy forces would be so obvious, even when they tried to blend in with civilians.
Well, I guess on balance, that's not such a bad one, right?
They would have such horrible halitosis, bad breath, that even though they look just like everybody else on the streets of Baghdad or wherever, their bad breath would give them away.
man u_s_ plan to make love not war with gay bomb or you we really could develop
If we could develop a gay bomb, a bomb that when dropped would make soldiers on the other side of the hill absolutely irresistible to each other, would you, if you were President of the United States, say, drop it?
What would be the morality, or the immorality, if you will, of doing such a thing?
It certainly tickles the mind's eye a little bit, doesn't it?
Am I really doing that?
I just read that along with you.
All right, so now this is kind of interesting.
You remember when Galaxy 4, that would be one of our communication satellites, at the time, a very, very important one for television and radio and pagers.
You remember the Galaxy 4 satellite that went up in smoke and just became, you know, a boat anchor in orbit?
Well, apparently, in the cold vacuum of space, on a gleaming metal surface inside Galaxy 4, tiny whiskers of tin, that's right, tin, grew in perfect stealth,
that is, until May 19, 1998, that is, when at least one of those little whiskers bridged a pair of metal contacts in the satellite's control processor and the short circuit killed the satellite.
Some 40 million pagers stopped working all over the country.
Doctors weren't getting their pagers.
Oh, man, millions of dollars worth of ATM and credit card transactions stopped cold.
You might remember this.
The $250 million satellite became, in the words of NASA engineer Henning Ledlecker, a doorstep in space.
The loss of Galaxy 4 was just one of the more visible consequences of a little understood problem with catastrophic potential for electronic and electrical systems, metal that grows whiskers, an F-15's radar system,
pacemakers, fuse switches in air-to-air missiles, electronic relays in a nuclear power plant, global positioning system receivers, not to mention many, many other satellites, all have fallen victim to this problem.
One group of University of Maryland theorists has estimated that tin whiskers have caused losses of billions of dollars to date.
That's really weird stuff.
What is it that would eventually cause metal, polished, finished, machined metal, probably really good stuff.
You know, they put in the satellites.
It's all better than mil-spec to do something like that.
That's really bizarre.
And then this from Seattle.
An expensive MRI machine.
I know about those with my bad back.
I've been inside one, and they're pretty cool, actually.
Anyway, a very expensive one of these machines, they have an incredible magnet in them, as you know, sustained about $200,000 in damage when a metal floor buffer, try and imagine this, a metal floor buffer was mistakenly placed nearby and was sucked in by the machine's powerful magnets.
The accident happened January 3rd when a member of the housekeeping staff improperly took the buffer near the machine despite a warning not to use metal objects near it.
Virginia Mason's spokesperson did not respond to repeated associated press phone messages for comment left Monday night with a hospital switchboard ops.
The MRI imaging machines are very sophisticated diagnostic tools to provide detailed pictures of the body's interior and in this case you can only imagine when they turned that on it must have gone in there like a rocket ship.
Well, you know, we can, in a way, in a lot of ways, we should thank our lucky stars that it was not worse.
And it surely could have been worse.
In other words, with all of that rain, with the fires having occurred the previous year and that amount of rain, frankly, I expected, bad as it is, and tragic as what happened is, I expected a lot worse.
And I thought a lot of the areas that had burned, just incredibly burned, maybe we got slightly lucky.
In other words, perhaps there was just enough time for a little bit of greenery to sprout out after the fires and before the rain.
Just enough greenery to keep a real disaster from having occurred.
I don't know.
Well, what happened certainly is a real disaster, but it could have been worse.
We're going to take a quick break here at the bottom of the arrow, and then I'm going to fulfill a promise.
No, we don't want that.
We want a rock.
Like that.
Anyway, from the high desert, everybody, where I'm happy to say it's now dry and the humidity is down, I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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Well, this is not Art Bell, but this is his better half.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Ramona Bell, and I want to introduce you to someone very close and very special to me.
She hasn't been out here in Perump in quite a while and had quite a shock when she first saw the place.
Again, after almost seven years, I think, human.
And I would like you to intert has introduced you to his mom, and now I want you to meet my mom.
I had also, concerning the topic of last night about the weather and everything, there was also the talk of Antarctica is melting, which is supposed to lead us into an ice age.
I don't know if anybody watches the day after tomorrow, but it was supposed to be something like that.
And once again, even though we should be concerned with both the top and the bottom of the world, let me clarify for you one more time.
The ice at the top of the world is melting.
People in Alaska would be able to tell you, particularly the southern portions of Alaska, how incredibly it's melting.
But nevertheless, at the North Pole, if the ice melts, not a gigantic deal for human beings, although it could be in one sense.
But in the sense that the ice is already in the water, as ice cubes would melt in a glass of water, the glass of water is not going to rise and overflow.
It's going to remain at the same level.
Now, the ice at the southern part of the world, in the Antarctic, is above water.
A very great deal of it is above water, the Ross Ice Shelf, for example.
And if that melts, then we no longer have the ice cubes in the water, but we suddenly toss lots of ice cubes into the water, right?
Ban.
Then the water overflows.
Then people on islands around the world that are only a few feet above sea level, or in some cases, under and below sea level, well, that land just simply won't be habitable any longer.
You've got a reasonably good shot, according to almost all these experts that I interview last night was one of them.
And all these experts say that, look, if you can just live fairly long, you've got a very good chance of making it to the point where you could live forever.
and that's for real i mean that's not And so it's a very interesting question.
And it is, do you want to live forever?
If you had the opportunity to live forever, would you take it?
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There's days right now I feel like I'm 95 years old.
I mean, even with stimulating, well, who knows, you know, all sorts of stimulating things like virtual reality, the ability to live others' lives as though you were actually there.
Even with all of that in place and the advance in other technologies, I think there would be a certain time when human beings would just say, you know, enough.
Enough already.
In fact, this goes back to a very sacred theory of mine.
And that is, have you ever noticed, well, certainly I remember when I was 12 and 13 years old, you know, I'd rock out my room.
Well, my dad, who was a jazz fan and didn't like rock at all, used to say very unflattering things about the music that I played.
And in fact, I still play it.
You see, I have my choice.
I can play anything I want on the air, and so I play all my favorite music.
Well, my favorite music does not happen to include rap.
I am not a rap fan.
I'm not even close to a rap fan.
In fact, when I hear rap, I run.
And I think that this is part of a bigger picture.
In other words, I think that as we age, as my father despised my rock and roll, I now find myself not enamored of what's new.
In fact, I don't even really honestly consider it to be music.
And I think this is all God's plan.
In other words, as we age, by the time we get to be 70, 80, 90, even 100 years old, should we make it that far, we've had it.
Things have changed, and not for the better, and not for our liking.
The music, contemporary art, everything that's going on around us has changed so much that, oh, by a certain age, we throw our hands up mentally and we say, God, it's night.
Yes, this was one of those late-night characters, you know, you're aware of.
This was a couple years ago.
I think they had predicted that the so-called psychic prediction that the Pope and the former senator John Glenn would be shot into space together.
The mission would be a failure, but they would both come back to earth with a full head of hair.
They regrow their hair somehow.
Anyway, the comment I wanted to make about climate change was that what we need to keep in mind with climate change is that I think we may be staving off.
I'm not an expert in this area.
I took marine geology and was studying oceanography down at Texas A ⁇ M. But I took environmental chemistry, which is a very interesting course.
That was my graduate level, though.
But anyway, the gist of it is that we were natural forcing.
We're putting more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, far more than man was.
That's what I was taught at that time.
But that's been re-scented completely.
Now, an article I read in a Scientific American magazine by James Hansen, who was a researcher at NASA's Goddard Space Science Institute, they're saying the anthropogenic forcings, man-made forcings, far exceed the natural forcings.
And particularly, of course, CO2 and even methane is thrown in there.
Yes, and it's probably going to lead to a massive and very swift climate change.
That's what I think.
That's what both Whitley, Streeber, and myself think.
One day, perhaps far into the distant future, when the sun is not as bright, but rather a yellow smudge in the sky, maybe that far into the future, they'll dig into the ice somewhere, and they'll find a nearly perfectly preserved 20th or 21st century human being with something in their mouth, something undigested.
And then perhaps they'll bring in an ancient language expert, and after months of careful examination and translation, they'll determine it says something like quarter pounder with cheese.
A couple of weeks ago, you laughingly made a comment about a video that somebody produced claiming that President Bush was involved in the Twin Tower situation.
I'm very, very displeased, disgruntled, and unhappy with the conspiracy theory people who think that President Bush ordered 9-11 to happen.
I mean, I'll just lay it on the table.
I think it's a bunch of crap.
And even that doesn't say it sufficiently.
I can't do it on the radio.
We get in trouble these days.
I mean, it's really a bunch of crap.
I'm willing to entertain a lot of conspiracy theories.
I'll entertain them.
That doesn't mean I believe them.
But this one is so far out of the ballpark that I may not be a great fan of President Bush, but I am a fan of the United States of America.
And I'm a fan of the honor of the presidency.
And I don't think for not one second do I imagine that one of our presidents, any of our presidents, would ever order their own biggest city and their own citizens killed.
I don't think that for one second.
I think it's an insult to intelligence.
I think the people that are doing it are wrong.
I get messages from them constantly calling me a traitor.
That's the kind of language they use.
You traitor!
Why don't you look at the evidence?
Well, I've looked at all the so-called evidence, and it's a pile of crap.
And so now I'm going to get a million emails again.
I don't care.
The whole thing really ticks me off.
There's a lot of things that I might be willing to entertain, a lot of things I might be willing to believe, and that's not one of them.
So, no, I don't think President Bush did that.
And anyway, you know, I could go on for a long time about that, and I'm not going to.
All right, let me do the best I can to give you a guess.
There's no way to know.
We've been told that there is aluminum particulate in whatever is being sprayed.
I have no absolute evidence that they're really doing this.
You know, it would appear as though they are.
It would appear as though chemtrails are real.
There really is something to this.
Now, what are they doing?
One could imagine all sorts of things.
Perhaps they're vaccinating us against something they know might come around and get us.
That would be sort of benign, right?
Or another idea is that they are putting material into the atmosphere to then be affected in some manner by HAARP, that's H-A-A-R-P, which radiates intense RF energy from Alaska.
And they think that perhaps some chemical combined with the intense radiation coming back off the ionosphere would in some manner affect our weather.
Now, all of this is not that far out on a limb, even though it sounds that way, weather control and all that sort of thing.
Not when you consider that those who actually work in the HAARP project have suggested that what they're doing may indeed be able to affect the weather in some manner or another.
So I don't dismiss it, and with the strange HF conditions, and baby, they are strange, we have experienced months now of the ionosphere not being, as we all remember the ionosphere being.
That is very, very reliable at certain frequencies.
It's been non-existent.
I mean, as I mentioned last night, within an hour of sunset, you can't talk to the people you normally talk to.
Something is wrong with the ionosphere.
Now, could it be HARP?
That's got to be considered a good and educated guess.
Well, coming up in a moment, Michael Drosman, author of The Bible Code, and now Citizen Hughes.
All about Howard Hughes.
We'll be right back.
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This is a particularly auspicious evening to interview Michael Drosman to have that honor.
Because you know the aviator, the aviator, won for Best Picture.
You knew that, right?
I didn't have to tell you.
The Golden Globes were Sunday, 1.16.
This is the night we interview Michael Drosman on his new book, Citizen Hughes, and so much more.
Michael Drosman is a former reporter for The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal.
He is the author of three New York Times bestsellers, which include Citizen Hughes, The Bible Code, and The Bible Code II, The Countdown.
I wonder if we can dredge anything out of him about that.
I doubt it.
His book, Citizen Hughes, is based on exclusive access to nearly everything that Hughes ever put in writing.
In fact, the book is half in his own words, Howard's.
So it's really Howard telling his own story of the hidden years, the secret life of the world's richest and most secretive man, from the only reliable source, really, Hughes himself.
It's also the only Hughes book that was a bestseller.
In fact, outsold all the other 20 Hughes books combined.
Michael currently lives and works in New York City.
So both of these topics, you know, as a talk show host, it has been absolutely inevitable, personally and from a professional standpoint, that something for a show like this, something with the impact of the Bible code, would not have a severe impact.
And we have discussed it with countless guests and callers.
And then the second subject, every bit is fascinating to me.
You know, I live here in the desert, and this was where Howard called home there toward the end, right?
And the influence he had on my area, you just can't imagine the influence he had on this area, Las Vegas area.
It was incredible.
I think I told a bit of a story the other night about Howard buying a TV station in Las Vegas so they could run his favorite movies late at night.
That's all really true, and even more, so much more.
You're going to hear it all tonight on both those subjects.
I mean, we're going to attack the Howard Hughes angle very hard in a little while.
But, you know, as I said, I do this show, and, Michael, your book, The Bible Code, I'm telling you, man, it affected this show, you know, ever since it came out.
I mean, other guests, people talking about it, controversy about it.
So a couple of questions about it.
Let's do that and then move to Howard Hughes.
Like, for example, where and when did you discover the Bible code?
My background is Washington Post, Wall Street Journal.
I was working on another book in Thali, visiting with the Chief of Intelligence in Israel.
And his young aide, taking me back to my car, said, there's a mathematician in Jerusalem you have to meet.
He discovered the exact day the Gulf War would begin before the war started in a code in the Bible.
And I was getting into my car and I just thought to close the door and my only comment was, I'm not religious.
I thought it was crazy.
He held the door open.
He wouldn't let me close it.
He said, neither am I. But he found the exact day.
And he gave me the name of the scientist who turned out to be no one ordinary, one of the smartest people on the planet, the world's leading authority in the field of math that underlies quantum physics.
I was probably the most skeptical person on the planet.
I'm not at all religious.
I never have been.
I'm not to this day, in fact, although I've written two books that are international bestsellers about the code and the Bible, which is without question real.
It's a very interesting question, Aught, and I don't have an answer for sure.
The scientist who discovered the code Is not only a mathematical genius, but also a deeply religious man.
And he believes that since the Bible itself comes from God, because he believes what the Bible itself says, that God gave Moses the first five books in the Bible on Mount Sinai, that the code, since it's inherent in the text of the Bible, must also come from God.
He is certain of it.
I can't share his certainty because I'm not religious.
I, in fact, don't even believe in God.
I believe the code is real for the very simple reason that it keeps coming true.
But, Michael, how could you go through the process of discovering that this was real beyond any question?
Even satisfying a very sophisticated reporter like yourself that it's true, and not, I don't know, you know, you said you don't believe in God, but not to start to have qualms.
I mean, it's too incredible.
It can't be, and yet you're telling me it is.
Well, so that's so impossible that wouldn't you start to have little qualms?
Well, I mean, not in advance because the code was not discovered until after the Holocaust, but it was encoded in a 3,000-year-old text.
So certainly, 3,000 years before the Holocaust happened, it was foreseen.
What finally convinced me was not the extraordinary man who discovered the code, although he is the best person I've met in my life, the most intelligent, Professor Eliyahu Rips, but rather, and not the fact that other great mathematicians at Harvard, at Yale, at Hebrew University confirmed it was real.
Finally, a code breaker at the U.S. National Security Agency, who set out to prove it was a hoax, instead proved it was real.
None of that convinced me.
I had too much skepticism.
What finally convinced me is that I found myself in the code a warning that the Prime Minister of Israel, Yitzhak Rabin, would be assassinated a year before he was killed.
And I personally warned him a year ahead of time.
You did.
And then when Rabin was killed, as the Code predicted, in the place the Code predicted, in the year the Code predicted, I said out loud, oh my God, it's real.
And before that, I believed it intellectually, or I would not have warned Rabin.
But I did not believe it in my heart or in my gut until that moment.
And this would be a good question for you, really.
If you don't believe in God, then, you know, our best theoretical physicists right now are beginning to toy with the idea of time travel.
And while this might seem off the wall, if you didn't believe in God, then certainly what's contained in the code would seem to suggest the possibility of time travel.
I'm sure everybody asks you this, but I mean, it's a question to ponder.
And that is why would God, or the author, or the time driver, or whoever did all this, why would they put something in there that could only be deciphered at a certain point?
And with the help, I might add, of modern computers?
And I can tell you it is the reason because I don't know who did it or even why.
I'm assuming a benevolent reason to help us, reaching across time to help us.
But I can give you the logical answer.
What good would it have done desert nomads and sheepherders 3,000 years ago to be told that now we might face the ultimate horror, a nuclear world war?
They wouldn't have understood the meaning of the concept, nor could they have done anything about it.
It would make a great deal of sense, however, to create a code in a book that would last through 3,000 years, as no other book has, that could only be opened by the technology of a certain moment when that information would be needed.
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I would say long codes versus short codes on codes that are mathematically significant.
The Bible code is a mathematical code.
It was, as I said, discovered by a great mathematician.
You can go on the internet and find all kinds of silly things that people say about the code, either believing in it or not believing in it, but without substance in either case, because they don't pay attention to the math.
When it is statistically way against the odds that a combination of words will appear together, and it consistently happens way against the odds that accurate information about events that happen long after the Bible is written appear together, you have something very interesting.
Otherwise, you're playing tennis without a net on a court with no boundaries.
It's as much as longer codes as a combination of ingredients.
You're looking for the shortest code sequence, the closest proximity of the words, and finally, the only real computer program, which is not available commercially at all, created by the mathematician who discovered the code, which is what I use, which does the mathematics for me.
Otherwise, I could not do this at all.
And it calculates the meaning mathematically of any particular find.
People who don't understand this are simply playing a game, probably not doing very much harm, but simply playing a game.
And you can find anything you want if you don't obey the rules.
If you do obey the rules, then you can find something that is not real.
Original experiment that the mathematician who discovered the code performed, the one that he published in a mathematical journal in the United States that tests three levels of peer review, meaning review by other scientists,
all of them secular, by the way, all of them certain this could not be real, but unable to find any flaw in the experiment, was to take one piece in Hebrew,
the Bible in Hebrew, and which of course is the original language of the Bible, and another original Hebrew text that is non-biblical.
And to look for exactly the same information using the same computer program in all these three texts.
And what happened is that in the Bible, the information about all about people and events that happened long after the Bible was written was found together against odds of at least 10 million to one.
And in the two control texts, War and Peace and the other non-biblical text, nothing that you would expect beyond random chance.
In other words, this was exactly the experiment that was performed.
I just some people are fooled by critics who, I suppose to get attention, I can't imagine for what other reason, make believe that they have found the same phenomenon in novels like Moby Dirk or War and Peace, but they haven't.
And what they have done is ignored the rules completely.
They play tennis without a net on a court with no boundaries.
They ignore the math.
And we're talking even about some mathematicians who know better, but need to disbelieve and pretend you can find the same thing anywhere.
Has there been a moment of concern when somebody calls you up on the phone and says, hey, Michael, so-and-so says they've got absolute concrete proof that some book they've done has come out and there it is.
They found messages, meaningful messages, long messages, the whole thing.
The leading critic of the code on the Internet is an Australian mathematician, not nearly, of course, of the same rank as the man who discovered the code.
Kind of a junior high school science teacher as opposed to Einstein, okay.
And he has not attacked the code on a mathematical basis.
He has not attacked it on a computer science basis.
He has oddly attacked it on its Hebrew, which is truly bizarre because he's a man who does not read Hebrew, which is the language of the code.
And yet, people pay attention to him as if this had substance.
But he on his own code, on his own website, says none of the things that I have here from Moby, Dick, or War and Peace have any mathematical meaning whatsoever.
That's in very small print.
And people don't recognize that what they're seeing is, in fact, the real hoax.
No one pretending that the code is not real when it actually is.
Look, I've met three times with the chief of the Mossad, Israel's famed intelligence agency.
Of course.
He's never met with another reporter in his life, including any Israeli reporter.
He meets with me for one reason.
The code keeps coming true.
He is not religious.
There has never been a religious man, chief of the Mossad.
There has never been a religious prime minister of Israel.
People think Israel is a theocracy.
Actually, the United States is far closer to it, especially under the current administration.
The people who take this seriously, the highest levels of American and Israeli intelligence take it seriously for the simplest of reasons, the same reason I do.
And there is, in fact, a very important insight into this in an ancient religious text called the Talmud, which every religious Jew takes as seriously as the Bible itself.
It's a 2,000-year-old commentary on the Bible.
And it says, everything is foreseen, but freedom of action is granted.
And for 2,000 years, great wise men have debated in religious terms the meaning of this apparent paradox.
How can God see all and yet man have free will?
And now this computer code in the Bible forces even people like me, who are completely secular, to face the same paradox, ask the same question.
If the future is known, how can it be changed?
And the answer is in both cases the same.
Every possible future is known, but what we do using our free will determines what actually happens.
It's up to us.
And the answer, I think, does not lie in prayer, but in rolling up our sleeves and doing the hard job necessary to save our world, because we're not puppets.
And I think, whether you're religious or secular, you can easily come to the conclusion that even if you believe there is some higher being who created us, he did not intend for us to be puppets.
i'm not really decide some people asked me when i told them the dangers ahead when i
And I said, the good news is that some intelligence reached across time, cared enough about us to leave us the information that we would need in order to survive.
But the Bible code is not like the Bible itself.
It doesn't contain any threat of divine punishment or any promise of divine salvation.
It is simply information, and it's up to us how we use it.
And if we use it intelligently, then yes, of course we will survive.
And I believe we will use it intelligently.
I have, as I said, if not faith in God, that remains a mystery to me.
I hope there's a God, but I'm sort of there, you know.
I hope there's a God.
I have to be able to lay my hands on things to believe them.
And I guess that's kind of like a reporter in a way.
Anyway, you mentioned prayer.
And there are these studies going on at Princeton about human consciousness.
There are these studies going on, these scientific studies, double-blind studies about prayer, where people prayed for seem to do better than the people who aren't prayed for.
And so I wonder if you've looked into that at all.
I'm not saying that people are religious are wrong.
The man who discovered the code is far more intelligent than I am.
He's deeply religious and believes totally in prayer.
He prays five times a day.
As a religious Jew, he follows 613 commandments every day of his life.
I can't say he's wrong, but I can give you an answer as to why people might think that prayer helps and yet it does not, which is anything that you believe in will help you get through the day.
Anytime you believe, if you're sick, that you're going to get well, you are far more likely to get well than if you don't believe it.
There is a tremendous power of positive thinking in everything that we do.
And you don't have to be religious to recognize that.
And you don't have to believe in God to recognize that, and you don't have to pray to recognize that.
But one of the things that people believe the most in God is prayer is religion.
And so it probably does work for them as long as they don't use it to divide and separate and as an excuse to hate and kill, which unfortunately is also the history of religion in the world.
I live in the desert, and if I go out in my front porch, which I frequently do at night, and I look to the east, I see the glow of that great city of Las Vegas.
It lights the night sky, whether there are clouds to reflect it or not.
It's an amazing, amazing city, and it's the one he chose to live in.
Let me read just from the back of this book.
It'll set up what we're about to do, I think.
At the height, it's on the back of the book.
I always read the back of the books.
How about you?
At the height of his wealth power and invisibility, the world's richest and most secretive man kept what amounted to a diary.
The billionaire commanded his empire by correspondence, scrawling thousands of handwritten memos to unseen henchmen.
It was the only time Howard Hughes risked writing down his orders, plans, thoughts, fears, desires.
Hughes claimed the papers were so sensitive, quote, the very most confidential, almost sacred information as to my innermost activities, end quote, that not even his most trusted aides or executives were allowed to keep the messages he sent them.
But in the early morning hours of June 5th of 1974, unknown burglars staged a daring break-in at Hughes' supposedly impregnable headquarters and escaped with all of the confidential files.
Despite a top-secret FBI investigation and a multi-million dollar CIA payback, buyback, they offered to buy it back.
None of the stolen secret papers were ever found.
That is until investigative reporter Michael Droznan cracked the case.
In Citizen Hughes, Droznan reveals the true story of the great Hughes heist and of the real Howard Hughes.
Based on nearly 10,000 never-before-published documents, more than 3,000 in Hughes' own handwriting, Citizen Hughes is far more than a biography or even an unwilling autobiography.
It's a startling record of the secret of our times.
Now, if you read that on the back of a book in the bookstore, you'd take that book home, wouldn't you?
Well, we have the luxury of having the author right here.
in a moment in a moment we continue with michael drowson or the You know, it can be very hard to pepper Michael with questions about Howard Hughes.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to just sort of turn it over to him.
But I do have one at the beginning.
Michael, how could you get what the CIA couldn't with millions?
There was the appearance of a massive investigation when Howard Hughes' secrets were stolen from his headquarters.
Every power center in the world was shaken because Hughes was involved with all of them, with the CIA itself, with the Pentagon, with the mafia, with the White House.
I know this because I received under the Freedom of Information Act the files from the FBI and the CIA about their investigation or their pretended investigation of the burglary of Howard U's headquarters.
They decided that Howard's secrets were too hot to handle.
They decided that they did not want to find the evidence that Richard Nixon, still in the White House, had received $100,000 in secret cash from Howard Hughes.
They were terrified of the mess they would be in if they actually tracked down the burglars and got hold of Howard user's secrets, because then they would be legally obligated to prosecute the president.
They would be legally obligated to prosecute themselves.
So they decided in secret never to really look for the burglars at all.
That is why I was able to do what they could not do, because I decided to actually look.
Now it took me six months, but I knew after three phone calls that something was terribly wrong, because I made the three calls I would have made the first day I went to work at the Washington Post when I was 20 years old.
I called the three people anyone investigating that break-in would have had to call just to start looking into it.
And those people had never been contacted by anyone that stopped me going.
These giant powers that we just talked about, the presidency, the CIA, all the rest of them, how could they be comfortable not reaching out and touching those burglars because they could not know the intent of the burglars with regard to the information they held?
So how could they simply dismiss the investigation and rely on the good intentions of the burglars who now had information that could ruin their lives?
And the answer, I think, is that you don't understand how a government bureaucracy really works, which is to try to avoid at all costs taking the responsibility for Dealing with a terrible can of worms.
The CIA and the FBI, at the highest levels, made the decision that they didn't want to open the can of worms because if they opened it, they had to deal with it.
They had no choice under law.
Whereas if I opened it, they didn't have to deal with it, and they didn't.
You went to jail once previously, not because you would not reveal sources, and I can see how that would help you in your negotiation with them, but writing this book could put you right back.
First of all, when I was jailed for refusing to reveal confidential sources, what I did is write a story from the New York Times about the condition inside the jail, from inside the jail, that caused the federal judge to shut the jail down.
This made me fairly immune to being jailed again.
You know, how many jails do they want to lose?
But the truth has a tremendous power.
The press, when it plays its proper role, has a tremendous power.
And the authorities are very leery of going after the press when the press is not timid.
It's only when the press is timid that the authorities go after it, as they do these days.
In fact, no one ever denied that the documents were real, and everyone who knew, who had any basis for knowing, confirmed it.
The man who received most of the memos from you, no friend of mine, by the way, confirmed it on national television that these were authentic documents.
He also confirmed that he had indeed given the bribes to the presidents, as I said he had.
For the last 20 years of his life, he lived in hiding in one blacked-out hotel room after another, never wore any clothes, lived in filth, was a billionaire junkie.
He was shooting up codeine.
He was as mad as a Hatter on one level, and on another level, completely lucid, extremely intelligent, a very good writer, by the way, which is part of why the book works so well, because it is Howard telling his own story.
And he had, from the time when he was young to the day he died, all during the period of his madness, an iron will.
And because of his great wealth, he was able to impose that will on everyone, including presidents of the United States.
But what he was seeking was not so much to promote his business interests or escape his taxes, although he didn't pay any for 17 consecutive years.
I know that because I also have his income tax return.
That's incredible.
what he was really seeking, above all, was to protect himself from what?
The answer is from everyone and everything outside this blacked out room.
Um, but finally, his fears came to rest most of all on the nuclear test the government was conducting in the Nevada desert, not far from his hideout in a penthouse of a Las Vegas casino on the Las Vegas Strip.
I can't use the language on radio or our current FCC, which is so difficult, will not allow me to quote a president of the United States and what his reaction was.
Lyndon Johnson was as plain spoken as Howard Hughes.
However, in Richard Nixon, Howard had found his perfect president.
Soulmate.
And what Nixon did, first he tried shuttle diplomacy.
He offered to send Henry Kissinger to come to Las Vegas to meet with Howard to negotiate this issue.
Then they ran into a problem because the Russians protested it was too close to where they were.
No one, you see, this is the ultimate not-in-my-backyard issue.
But Howard had the cash.
The Russians only had, what, their own nuclear arsenal.
Nixon went for the money.
Now, this is the incredible power of the man.
And I often have wondered, how would these presidents have behaved if they had known, which they did not, no one knew, that they were dealing with a naked madman.
And then finally, he said, I understand that some of the viewers, again, I'm quoting him exactly, have complained about the movies listed not being the ones shown.
In order to resolve this problem, I suggest that we no longer list the names of the late-night movies.
Howard Hughes became, in 1968, Fortune magazine declared him the first American billionaire.
They said he had $1.3 billion.
Now, later, When a small part of his empire was sold to General Motors, it was sold for $5 billion.
So you can see that, of course, if you think of it, and that was like 10 years ago.
So if you think of it now in today's terms, Howard had, I'm not sure how we would even estimate the amount, because the value of all of Las Vegas, which he bought, also ballooned incredibly.
The value of he was the sole owner of one of the top 10 defense contractors.
His mother had died two years earlier when he was 16.
And at 18 years old, Howard is at once abandoned in the world, an orphan, and a multi-millionaire.
He always could do exactly what he wanted to.
And one of the few people who were allowed in his presence during that last 20-year period, one of six people, all of them Mormons, because Howard decided that only Mormons were pure enough, clean enough, to come into his presence.
So his staff of personal nursemaid attendants were all these Mormon men.
And one of them, and I interviewed them before I wrote the book.
And I got the first interviews with them as well as the secret papers.
So I could get a picture of what it was like in that room.
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And what they told me just blew me away as much as what Howard had written.
I would have to say that at this moment, our government is every bit as much for sale as it was back then, and indeed that our president is right now every bit as much bought as the president that Howard Hughes bought.
But no one who gives money to George Bush would ever put in writing anything like, I'm determined to elect a president of our choosing this year and one who will be deeply indebted and will recognize his indebtedness.
No one else would put it that way.
No one would say, I think we need to deal with the president on a hard cash adult basis.
If everybody can be bought, everybody can be bought, or if they're not bought, something can be bought to make them do what you want them to do anyway.
In other words, ultimately, there's a way to absolutely get it to everybody.
We're at a breakpoint.
Hold on, Michael.
Man, that doesn't make you cynical.
I don't know what would.
Realizing that if you have enough money, There's nothing on earth that could stop you.
Nothing.
Very thought-provoking.
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more about howard use michael drossman in a moment but You got the dream of that.
You got the dreams.
You know he's never gonna stop moving Cause he's rolling, he's the rolling When you wake up it's a new morning The sun is shining, it's a new morning You're going, you're going home You're
You know, in about an hour, when I'm off the air, I'll go into the other room, living room, and I'll set up my state-of-the-art high-definition satellite receiver to watch one of those playoff games that I haven't seen yet.
You know what it is?
It's a Hughes satellite receiver.
That's right.
A Hughes satellite receiver.
Not to mention all the Hughes birds that were launched into orbit.
By the way, Ched in Almogordo, New Mexico, you know, you can send me this fast blast, says Project Kinikin art was a nuclear test conducted on Amchitka Island, Alaska, at 11 a.m.
Bering Standard Time, November 6, 1971.
Kinikin, a slightly less than five megaton device, was the largest underground nuclear test conducted in the United States.
In the beginning, he was pursuing his dreams, his passions.
In the end, he was running from his fears.
He was.
First, he lived the American dream and then the nightmare.
And always with the same intensity.
Always driven.
When he was young and heroic, when he was old, and you'd have to say patrol under the bridge, I would say.
He remained as driven and as determined and as visionary in his own way.
It's just that his visions changed.
Let us put it this way.
When he decided to bribe President the United States to stop the nuclear tests in his backyard, he understood the real danger of nuclear testing underground when everyone else stopped worrying about it because the mushroom clouds had disappeared.
And Howard understood, wait, it's going to contaminate the groundwater.
He would grip the side of his bed in white-knuckled terror.
And you could see actually in the handwriting how frightened he was.
His handwriting was usually very clear and legible.
But when he was in the grip of nuclear terror, it became wildly erratic.
And he would go through the countdown as the test approached, writing memo after memo to the man who spread his money around for him to buy off every politician in sight.
Howard Hughes chose as his right-hand man in these hidden years, not a businessman at all, but a tough guy, a man who had been an FBI agent, but that doesn't begin to touch who Robert Mayu was.
He was the go-between for the CIA and the Mafia in the Castro assassination plot.
I don't know if you recall that, but there was a time when the CIA actually did conspire with the Mafia to kill Fidel Castro.
I remember Robert Mayu was the man who brought them together.
So Howard Hughes chose to be his right-hand man and the man to whom he sent most of the memos and the man who then carried the black bag filled with $100 bills to presidents of the United States.
Even Robert Mayhew, tough guy, hardened that he was, could not quite handle Howard.
There came this moment, and it's, I think, the most shocking of all the memos Howard wrote to how I begin my book, Citizen News.
Howard is watching television and suddenly sees Bobby Kennedy assassinated.
He immediately grabs his yellow legal pad and scrolls a memo, and here is what it says.
I hate to be quick on the draw, but I see here an opportunity that may not happen again in a lifetime.
I don't aspire to be president, but I do want political strength.
And he goes on to order Robert Mayu to hire the entire Kennedy political machine to become the used political machine with the goal of placing his own man in the White House.
He did not get the entire Kennedy machine, but he got its leader, Larry O'Brien, the man who had managed John Kennedy's presidential campaign, was the manager of Bobby's presidential campaign, and was soon to become chairman of the Democratic Party.
And while he served as chairman of the Democratic Party, he was secretly on the U's payroll doing Howard's bidding.
At the same time, Howard was paying off the president, the Republican, Richard Nixon, who had $100,000 in secret cash, never went into any campaign, it went into Nixon's pockets.
And then Nixon became terrified, another paranoid, that Larry O'Brien on the Hughes payroll would discover the money that Hughes had given to Nixon.
And it was like Edgar Allan Pohl's Poe story of the Telltale Heart, where this man thinks he can hear the heart beating of a man he has killed.
He can hear the heart beating louder and louder and louder.
This was Nixon with the Hughes money.
And so finally, Richard Nixon sent his burglars into the Watergate building where Democratic National Committee headquarters were located into Larry O'Brien's office.
And what was the goal?
To find out what O'Brien knew about Nixon and Hughes and to get the proof that O'Brien was on the payroll so that he could neutralize O'Brien.
So then there must have been lots of notations because I don't remember a day waking up for a long time without Watergate being every headline and every paper.
It became a bestseller all over again in paperback, and now it's been republished with The Aviator and is once more on its way to becoming a bestseller.
The Powers That Be cannot stop a free press.
Only a free press can stop itself in America.
The book is actually, Citizen Hughes is right now being published all over Europe as well to come out with the movie, which comes out a month later there.
It's getting a whole new life, and a whole new generation has been introduced to Howard Hughes by the aviator, so I'm very thankful for the movie, but I have to say, this is not the true Howard Hughes story, and the real story is so much better.
You cannot even begin to imagine how extraordinary the true story is.
No one could make it up.
No one would dare to tell a story like this and before not curious.
I don't think there's anything I could bring you on the radio that would be wilder than what you're hearing right now.
More unbelievable than you're hearing right now.
More hard to digest than what you're hearing right now.
And I understand some of you are rebelling at it.
I mean, you just absolutely flat refuse to believe some of the things you've been hearing tonight.
And I understand that reaction.
nevertheless these things really happened the the My guest is Michael Droznan.
What a night.
Citizen Hughes is the name of the book.
I'm sure by now, if you don't want to go buy this, well, I don't know about you.
How could you not want to buy this book after just hearing all of this?
And there's so much more.
Now, I was trying to ask a controversial question.
it turned out to be totally innocuous one michael trumps me with while the president did a service god i was trying to ask about c_b_s_ and somewhat Were they at CBS, in your opinion, Michael, taken in more easily because of their own bias?
My two questions are, the hair clippings that were taken from Howard every time he had a haircut every five years or so, is it possible that he could be cloned?
Okay.
And the other question is, what a horrifying idea this is.
And it was right before he flew again at the age of 70, buck naked, after lying in bed for more than 15 years.
There was a time with the haircut and a shave, and he got totally dressed in his old flight outfit, which he then proceeded to take off before he took off in the airplane.
But that was the only haircut.
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What about the time with the governor?
When he met the governor of the back of Las Vegas?
Well, it helped that his negotiator was the man who had been the go-between for the CAA and the mafia in the Castro assassination plot, and that the specific person in the mob who was involved was a man named Johnny Rosselli, who was the mob's ambassador to Las Vegas.
He had more control over Las Vegas than any single figure in the mob.
And Mayu and he were, well, as they say in the mob, a mica nostra.
That's how Johnny Roselli put it to the people Howard wanted to buy from.
He's saying, Bob here, Bob Mayhew, is one of us.
So it helped tremendously.
Hughes himself couldn't care less.
For him, it was just whoever owned it, he wanted it, he paid for it, he got it.
I mean, I remember Mayu on another national television show, 2020, speaking of users' orders to buy the Kennedy political machine to become the used political machine.
And Mayu claimed that he said to Howard on the phone, my God, Howard, the body is not yet cold.
directly to the tips i can only imagine those moments when he was a cop they you wait There must have been moments of indigestion, severe, getting one of those notes.
You can only just imagine being handed, you know, the Mormon comes in and hands you the note directing you to go bribe the president, you know, and saying, don't worry, it'd be all right, basically.
Well, I wished, actually, that he were still alive.
It would have been more interesting for me.
But I did not find the burglars until very shortly after Howard died.
And the chief burglar told me that had Hughes been alive, he never would have cooperated with me because it was his dream that he was going to sit down, as he put it, and play pair poker with Howard Hughes in person.
And he, in that moment, would have the better hand.
Let me tell you this much, because it's in my book, so I can say it.
The man who ultimately ended up with the papers was the professional thief who was brought in to do the job, and he never knew the motive of the person who ordered it done.
So I don't have an answer to that question.
I do know the motives of the man who did the job, but I don't know the motive of the man who ordered the job done.
Because, you see, Daniel Ellsberg stole the Pentagon papers in order to bring out the truth about the war in Vietnam and the fact that our government had lied about it.
And the New York Times and the Washington Post published those papers knowing that they were stolen because the public's right to know was far more important.
I hope that I did the same thing.
I didn't commit a crime.
I solved a crime.
And I persuaded the burglar to help me bring the truth to the people by making public how would use the secrets.