Art Bell welcomes physicist James McCanney, who argues comets like Hale-Bop are solar plasma discharges, not "dirty snowballs," with Earth’s magnetic field weakening since 1995 due to rising electrical energy—linked to alignments and potential health crises. McCanney dismisses Planet X hype but warns of hidden risks: charged comets could trigger 50–100 ft tidal surges, mini ice ages, or infrastructure collapse like the 2003 U.S. East Coast blackout tied to Canadian ionospheric experiments. He criticizes NASA’s Earth-returned comet samples for possible pathogen exposure and questions why Hubble avoids studying the moon despite its relevance. Callers highlight classified bunker energy surges and desert glass events, reinforcing concerns about suppressed data on celestial threats. McCanney’s theories challenge mainstream astronomy while urging better detection and offshore research to prevent catastrophic miscalculations. [Automatically generated summary]
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Honored and privileged to be able to carry you through the weekend and this hour will be carried by Whitley Streeber and Dr. Roger Lear.
And they're here to uh to talk about a strange little piece of strange trip that it took.
When it reached Dr. Weir, a piece allegedly, perhaps from the 1947 crash, the whole story is quite remarkable, and so if you'll just stay right there, we'll get right to it.
Dr. Roger Lear, The Aliens and the Scalpel, and so many more.
Whitley Streeber, Communion, of course, Global Superstorm, and so many more.
Both real vets at all of this.
Gentlemen, welcome.
Good to be with you here, Art.
That's great.
Both of you, just boom, boom, like that.
Get right out of the way.
All right.
This story that we're about to hear apparently is in reference to a piece that Dr. Roger Lear received, purportedly being of a crash in New Mexico, possibly 1947 Oswell.
And one of the other principals in this matter, Dr. Bill Mallow, has died.
Dr. Mallow, after being given a clean bill of health at a physical a few weeks later, ended up with two different forms of leukemia, the first time the oncologist had ever seen this in a single individual.
And what was worse about this is that the treatments were contraindicated treatments.
The two treatments fought each other.
So Will had to be treated for one form of leukemia on one day and another form on another day and finally succumbed.
And not only death, but there's a little misfortune involved with it also, because the first scientist who did a major portion of the work on this piece, Dr. Russell Vernon Clark, was with the University of California, San Diego, and was present at a press conference that we gave at the Roswell anniversary with about 300 members of the press and TV there.
Unfortunately, the word didn't get out too well because it happened to be the same day as the Mars lander landed on Mars.
So we got a back seat.
But unfortunately, Dr. Vernon Clark went back to California to his job after the press conference.
Within a few weeks, he had no job because they had pulled the funding from the entire department, which was the Department of Environmental Science.
He was out of a job, no money, couldn't seem to find another job, wound up in a severe divorce.
He lost a tremendous amount of weight and has never been seen or heard from since.
And if someone has a copy of the first or the new second edition of the Aliens in the Scalpel, there is a pie photograph in the back of the book where the scientific material is.
And normal silicone, one of the isotopes, which is SI28, is 92%.
SI30 is around 3%.
And SI29 is about 5%.
In the piece that Russell Vernon-Clark and two other labs, mind you, tested, the SI29 was 13%.
Now, the other 0.1%, which consisted of nickel, zinc, and silver, and not only was the silicon showing non-terrestrial isotopic ratios, but each one of the other metals also was non-terrestrial.
And then we had it tested by Dr. Bill Mallow at the Southwest Laboratories, which, as Whitley will tell you, is now pretty much a closed lab to anything but military.
He was also one of the most powerful people at Southwest Research, having been there since 1954 and having been hired directly by Tom Slick, the founder of the lab.
And Mr. Slick was an adventurer himself.
He set up and went on the first scientific expedition ever to go in search of the Getty.
And he also developed something called the Mind Science Foundation, which has degenerated into a very uninteresting organization as well.
But in his time, both of these organizations were at the leading edge of their field.
However, when the director who had been with Mr. Slick from the beginning and was Bill Mallow's close friend retired, the new director immediately called him in and said he wanted him to stop doing this UFO stuff.
And that quote, Dr. Mallow said to me, a direct quote from him was this, our CIA client takes a dim view of your UFO interests.
But of course, it didn't stop Bill at all.
All it changed was that he couldn't send us reports on official letterhead anymore.
He had to write them out by hand or give them to us verbally, but we still had full access to the equipment of the lab and the more than willing help of every scientist there that we talked to and who saw the things we were bringing in and who realized that there really were anomalies being observed.
So you had the real thing, because, I mean, if the isotopes, people should understand, the isotopes have to be exact.
And if they're not, scientists very easily can tell you, hey, this did not come from Earth, and that's what you had on your hands, according to two labs.
The other thing, one of the other things they measured was some kind of spectrographic analysis of the colors of the material, and they determined that this piece had reached temperatures above 1 million degrees centigrade.
And now, physically, you could, without any laboratory, we did this many times, you could hold one end of it and dip it into just cold water, and the end that you were holding got so cold that it would actually burn your fingers.
And the other property that it had was if you did the same with, oh, I said tea water, you know, about the temperature of tea, drinkable tea, you could dip it one end in there, and then the other end became so hot, again, you couldn't hold it.
So the colors on it, too, as I said, were very interesting.
And you could see that the surface, one of the surfaces looked like it was, for lack of a better word, it looked like it was machined.
Hal Putoff, as you know, who was with NIDS for many years and is a double PhD, got very interested in the piece.
And out of his own pocket, he paid to have some tests done on the piece.
Unfortunately, when Bill Mallow died, his files, we don't know what happened to him, and all the material that was done at Southwest Labs was sent to Jim Fuelling, who died.
And so far, this surviving wife has not been able to find the file.
Some years after the Roswell press conference, an individual who had befriended me some years ago, a former producer for CBS, decided to leave CBS and go into the production aspect of computerization.
So he was working for companies setting up production.
He knew about this piece and was very ambitious and extremely into the UFO field.
He had done a number of very successful UFO videos.
And being very innovative, he wanted to put on the first international UFO conference on the Internet.
And he spent a lot of his own money and a lot of investors' money.
There were a lot of people who were invited to speak.
I believe Whitley was also one of them.
He advanced in advance sums of money to each one of the individuals that was going to speak at the conference.
It would be live.
People could ask questions.
Well, the principal subject to sort of ground the conference, he wanted to use this piece of material.
So this was right after the time that Bill Mallow had done the research on the material, and we were going to use this data and broadcast it live all over the world on the Internet.
There was a website, which I won't mention now.
But suddenly, two days before the conference, I got a call from Chris saying there's something wrong.
Well, you know, you dial in the URL, and usually if you can't get it, you get a menu that comes up, so this page is not available, the site's whatever.
Well, you dial this URL, and the screen would go black.
I mean, black night, black.
No writing, no nothing.
So you do it once, you figure, oh, you know, there's something wrong with the machine.
So I do it again, do it a couple of times, and the screen goes black.
I didn't know what was going on.
That night, I got a call from Bill Mallow, and he sounded rather upset on the phone.
The following day, I finally got a hold of Chris, and he said, well, the conference was canceled because that piece of material was nothing but a piece of ordinary silicone.
And he repeated it a couple of times.
I thought that was rather strange.
Wouldn't talk, wouldn't discuss, tell me why.
The conference was canceled until about a week later when we came down here from the Bay Area, San Francisco Bay Area.
And I said, what in the world is going on?
He said, I'm scared to death, Roger.
I'm scared to death.
He said, I don't want anything further to do with this piece or with UFOs.
And I said, what's going on?
What happened?
And he said, I was at work, he said, and I had a visit from two suits.
They showed me some identification, asked me to accompany them, and they took me and put me in a van and drove me around the San Francisco area for 11 hours, telling me that the piece of material was nothing but a piece of ordinary silicone.
There was no website, and there is no international UFO conference.
Well, there was something, I believe, that Whitley might remember.
I talked to you at one time close to after all this had happened, and you told me on the phone that you had talked to Bill, and I remember you told me something in the fact that he had been very gently leaned on.
Bill, yeah, he had been, and he was really circumspect about this with me because one of the things that would happen is that when Bill was having any kind of pressure put on him, we'd go to lunch at Marie Calendar's near,
not far from Southwest Research, And we'd have a lovely jovial lunch during which it would become clear that he was having some sort of trouble, but he was really, very, very careful about it.
And believe me, you have not heard all there is to hear about this unusual piece of whatever.
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What's interesting about this is that there have been reports from western China and a part of India recently, a lot of reports, of a tremendous amount of UFO activity in the area.
So anyway, they contacted me and wanted to do a story on a couple of things.
One, of course, was implants, and they wanted to know if I had anything else.
And I said, well, I hesitate to mention this, but there is a very interesting piece of material, and it's got quite a story to it.
And perhaps I can get the wife of the deceased individual who I got it from to go on the air.
And also, I did not mention that Jesse Marcel Jr. looked at this piece, and he was also at the press conference, and he said that this looked like a piece of material, which he called Bakelite because it was dark.
And he claimed that his father brought all this material in and laid it out on the kitchen floor.
And this looked like a piece of the Bakelite material.
And he said he had not seen it since he was 12 years old.
Now, I said, is there any chance I can get a copy of the data?
And he says, well, I'm not supposed to do this, but since you're the owner of the piece, give me your email and I'll email it to you.
And I said, okay, fine.
And I said, also in your email, would you please put the description as close as you can as to what you tested?
So he did, and I got very nice two-page report signed by him.
And then almost the following day, as synchronicity would have it, a package arrives in the mail.
And it's all the data that I sent and the photographs of the piece.
And there's a little plastic container.
And I open the container, and lo and behold, there's this little triangular piece of material, which looks like a piece of silicone, but it's not from my piece.
We sent an adequate DNA sample to a lab here in California, and after a long and very inappropriate wait, they told us that the sample was too degraded by either radiation or high heat or light, none of which had affected the thing.
Well, either that they're compromised, or I think in the case of this lab, they did find something unusual and they just don't want to put their name to it for fear of being embarrassed because scientists are endangered in the United States if they expose anything unusual and they know it.
It'll be a few days before we get more because we have to go directly to the Chinese news sources, and there are language issues and so on and so forth.
It's immensely aggressive and immensely competent.
Like when Roger was talking about laboratories, I was thinking to myself that there's better equipment available to us in China at far less expenses, less cost, and with a virtual guarantee of honest results from labs in China, in Shanghai in particular.
Beijing, an unidentified flying object or UFO passed across a large northwestern Chinese city called Lantao and apparently exploded in the suburbs, according to state media.
The unusual sighting of two bright trails of light reported by several witnesses took place on Saturday shortly before midnight, according to the China Times.
Police, working on the theory that it was a meteorite, went to investigate the matter, but as of early Monday, they'd found no evidence of what caused the nightly phenomena.
A taxi driver told the paper he was in his car when everything suddenly became bright as day.
When he pulled over, he saw a fireball with a tail of about three meters darting across the sky.
One witness, who was on a late shift at his company, reported the courtyard outside his office was suddenly bathed in a ghostly red light as the object passed overhead.
Others said they heard a huge explosion and it felt like an earthquake.
So, there you have it.
Things are heating up in China.
Patrick Lazan say China's been hit by several waves of UFO sightings in recent years, but this one sounds very immediate.
We'll keep you informed as details become available.
Professor James McCanney, MS, is a physicist who spent several decades promoting his theoretical work showing that the solar system is ever-changing and is electrically active.
These theories have been confirmed with space probe data, and they prove that there are definite Earth effects resulting from our sun's electrical activity.
He has openly opposed NASA's view that outer space is electrically neutral.
Again, he was a faculty member of the Physics and Mathematics Departments of Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, has researched theoretical celestial mechanics and plasma physics for the layman.
These are the studies of planetary motion and electrified gases in outer space, and has presented his theories at the Los Alamos National Labs and American Geophysical Union.
This will be a good one.
professor mckinney in a moment Professor McCanney, welcome to the program.
I'm going to drag you away from what we were going to talk about for just a moment, and perhaps even out of your area, I'm not sure, but maybe you can comment on this for me.
It's such a broad stroke that I'm about to make that I don't know if you're going to be able to comment.
But in recent months, and it now has been over a couple of months, Professor, I'm a ham operator, and the low part of the high frequencies, the short wave bands, are acting now in a way I have never, nor have the people I talk with, have ever seen in all.
You know, we're getting a little long in the tooth.
We've been through a few 11-year sun cycles now, and while that's not a long history, it's enough history that we have operators understand what's going on right now on these frequencies is totally anomalous.
We've never seen it before.
We don't have a lot of history with the sun affecting radio communications, but shortwave NVIS communications on the lower frequencies are regular on a nightly basis shutting down to two or even one megahertz as the maximum usable frequency.
It's weird.
And so I sort of looked at that, something going on with the ionosphere.
I looked at the ozone problems in the magnetosphere.
There was this story recently of cracks in the magnetosphere, a really weird story, allowing particles in that otherwise wouldn't be there, perhaps causing the storming that is causing this effect.
You know, I don't know what I would associate it with because there's nothing in my frame of experience, having gone through all of these interesting solar cycles, to for example, we're having this it's kind of like we're getting hit by tremendous solar storms, except we're not.
In other words, even periods when it's quiet and there's no reason in the numbers that we watch, the A and K indexes and so forth, nothing in the numbers to justify what seems to be going on.
Actually, the solar system from about 1995 has been increasing in electrical energy.
And let me preface this by saying that the sun puts out probably, I don't know exactly, but I would say thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of times more energy in the form of electrical energy than it does in the form of visible light, which is a lot of energy.
Most of this energy passes by us because we are buffered by our magnetic field.
And it's one of the little items that standard traditional astronomy and astrophysics has not grabbed onto yet out of my work.
And what is happening, every time we see a solar flare, that's a positive blast or a blast of positively charged material.
And that is going out to the edge of the solar system and beyond, holding back a giant nebular cloud, which I call the Donut Nebula.
We've observed these around other stars, but this is building up.
And when we hit solar maximum, it didn't stop.
Usually then it breaks down, it starts to come back, the return current sheets, one of which passes through the solar system where we go through in the month of August.
I call it the August return current sheet, which we are still somewhat in, by the way.
But anyway, to make a long story short, the entire solar system is being pumped up and our Earth, like comets, like Jupiter, is discharging this at all times.
And so what's happening, because of the overall increase in energy of the solar system, our little local discharge that Earth goes through every day, it's going on all the time, creates this electrical current that creates our auroras.
From the nose side, the electrons coming in from the sun, and then the tail side, ions coming into Earth.
This entire overall discharge is greatly increased.
It's compressing our magnetic field, and I've been on with George, and I know we did a weather show last, I think, September or August, and we talked about some of this, where the solar capacitor is really pumped up a lot, and it has never subsided from the 2000 solar maximum.
So, yes, we are definitely in an electrical solar system, and we are seeing the effects.
And this is the end result of the sun just pumping up.
But my estimation, my personal estimation, is that a large comet Hailbop, if you understand that comets are not dirty snowballs, they in fact are a discharge of this large solar capacitor.
And the physical part of this is what we call a comet, the tail.
But what we don't see is this electrical discharge that connects that outer plasma shell of the sun with the sun itself.
And what that does is that draws energy from that big storage tank out there, what I call the solar capacitor, back into the sun on a daily basis.
So for six years, Hailbop was pumping up the energy of the sun as it moved through the solar system.
And then, as we hit the year 2000, Hailbop was moving out, but it had already done its damage.
This is viewed through the SOHO C3 camera, so you get a wide-angle view of the sun, and the sun is blocked out by a little patch in the middle.
So what you're seeing is the star background of the sun as we view it from Earth.
And then up from the lower left-hand corner comes a large comet.
And I don't know how large the nucleus is, but it's a significant comet.
So at any rate, the comet comes up, swings by the sun, and on the bigger high-resolution photos, you can see the actual electrical snap, like a spark plug, as that comet comes by the sun.
And then you can see the sun begin to rumble, so to speak, and the comet passes by, and then boom, the whole surface of the sun lifts off in a tremendous explosion.
That's exactly what I was talking about when I was sort of agreeing earlier.
Every comet, it seems as though, that has passed by the sun has caused this sudden increase, gigantic increase in activity and full coronal discharges, that sort of thing, as the comet goes by.
And so the situation with a comet that's farther out, say for example, Halebop, is that it is just constantly, what we don't see in a comet with our eyes, but what you can see with other instrumentation, is an electron beam.
It literally is coming out from the negatively charged sun relative to the outer edge of the capacitor.
And that's a very narrow, concentrated electron beam.
And it comes out and hits the comet nucleus.
Actually, is the cause of its charging to a high negative potential.
And that's what causes the comet tail to come rushing into the nucleus.
So maybe there's a really good reason for the American natives to have a great deal of lore, the Hopi, for example, about comets portending great change.
Well, the other thing that I believe I've been tracking, and this is just in terms of the sun's energy, now Hailbop went out, and you would expect possibly that the sun would then begin to subside.
But around 2001 in May, I detected a tremendous increase in solar activity.
And about that time also, I began tracking a very unusually high number of comets coming from the south and coming in and buzzing the sun.
And these comets, typically a comet would come in like this, orbit around the sun, and then go back out.
But these comets were hitting the sun, which meant they came from a dead stop almost relative to our sun.
In other words, they had no lateral motion that would cause them to go into an orbit.
Or there is literally an entourage of stuff coming in from the outer solar system, and this is just the leading edge of it.
In other words, a large mini-solar system with at its center a very large object, something, say, like a Jupiter-class object.
And what happens as these objects break into that outer capacitor, which is about three times the distance to Pluto, that's my estimate of where it is now.
By the way, when I started this in 1979, we thought that the edge of that solar heliopause was around the orbit of Jupiter.
And now it's moved way out.
And, of course, we've got spacecraft, the Voyagers and Pioneers, that are way out beyond Pluto and still have not encountered the heliopause.
So at this point, I'm saying it must be about two to three times the distance to Pluto.
It's pushing out dust and gases, and it's basically a wind primarily, not primarily of protons, it's a balance of electrons and protons.
But if there is an excess of protons in the overall solar wind blowing out from the sun, and it literally holds back dust and gases out way beyond the solar system.
And we have pictures of other stars.
All our neighboring stars have these shells around them.
But basically, that's what I call the edge of the solar system.
But when these objects come in, now that's the edge of the solar capacitor.
So when these objects come in, they begin to discharge the solar capacitor, and they immediately form a loose, very large nebular cloud, like a comet coma, around the objects.
So they become very difficult to see.
They're actually shielding themselves.
And that's why in 2008, NASA is sending up a satellite which is designed to look for those nebular clouds moving into the solar system.
You can't see them with a small telescope.
You can't even see them with a good telescope.
So they're putting up a space-based infrared telescope that is 100,000 times more sensitive than anything they have up there now.
The thing with these objects, they may just be passing through the outer edge of our solar system, but what they do is they bring an entourage of thousands of objects with them, big and small and everything in between.
Well, like anything, they want to know what's there.
Part of astronomy is to identify objects and to identify where things are coming from.
In the last week, it is amazing to see the number of astronomical papers that are coming out trying to grab on to capture.
In other words, where did these objects like Sedna, that little Mars-like planet that's sitting out three times the distance to Pluto right now, where did these things come from?
And the only possible rational explanation is that they were captured.
So does Jeannie in Milwaukee, who says, ask about anecdotal data on a radical increase in hypertension cases and unexplained incidences of so-called heart virus infection during Halebop's passage.
And we'll do that.
In other words, as the sun acts in some way, we react in some way.
And this, once again, we started actually measuring this back in the 90s.
And the Russians were taking statistics on this, and they actually started by looking at the KP index, which is the magnetic fluctuation of our magnetic field due to solar activity.
And we had some very big blasts back then, which were then uncommon.
Now they are like daily almost here in this 2003, 2004 time era.
But they started tracking cancer rates.
And so as a result, then we started to look at alignments of the planets, electrical alignments, that is, and relating it to weather.
And that is the basis for a lot of my weather work, which just, of course, culminated in a book.
But we also started looking at the basis for astrology, which the Russians and, by the way, the U.S. secretly is very interested in, as you probably know, Art.
But we started looking at the physical basis for this, and it turns out that due to the discharge of the solar capacitor, which all the planets are doing to a lesser degree than comets, but there again, Comet Halebop was a medium-sized comet.
It wasn't gigantic.
It wasn't one of the historical giant comets.
But it was pumping up the sun on a regular basis.
And as a result, our solar energy, the electrical energy passed down to us on Earth through our vertical electric field from the ionosphere was very much increased.
So to answer the caller's question there and this entire question about hypertension, yes, we are under somewhat under siege right now, but nothing like the days that I have read about in ancient texts where these people were wired to the wall, let's put it that way.
And you noticed that during times of when large comets came through and near this Earth in the past, there were times of great war, and it seemed like the whole world was at war.
And the Hopi Indians are very distinct about the seven layers.
They even talk about the seven advancement layers, and you begin by seeing earth changes of various types.
And the most advanced is when you have the high winds and all of the earth effects coming all the way up to where the oceans, tidal bulges are getting very large and the earthquakes and the volcanoes are kicking off.
It has a surface composition, apparently something like Mars, but it's highly reflective, which implies it has a coating, a sheen coating of ice on it, like water ice.
So it's like a mirrored surface.
So they don't really know yet.
It's very interesting.
one of the items that I just added to our list here is that Quoar, which is another object just like Sedna, newly discovered Kuiper object, 783 miles in diameter, so fairly big, round object, has volcanism on it.
Vulcanism on Quoar.
It just came out Friday that they announced this discovery of material on the surface.
And if it's 4.5 billion years old, the interesting part of the discovery was that the molecules that they discovered, the material, is short-lived material.
In other words, it doesn't last long in the environment of outer space.
So what they're seeing is recent volcanism, and this is not totally confirmed yet, of course, as with any new astronomical discovery, but what they're showing is that they're basically discovering that these objects may be hot, and these are way out at the distant edge of the solar system where the sun looks like just another star.
So in what I've been saying all along, our solar system is far more dynamic than this picture that we've been painted of, you know, it formed 4.5 billion years ago and nothing has changed since then.
But back to Planet X. I believe there are many Planet X objects, and let's define the word Planet X. Planet X is a term that goes back to the Middle Ages used by astronomers in standard astronomy to define any object that has yet to be named or discovered.
For example, when Neptune and Uranus had their orbits being pulled down, astronomers, the National Naval Observatory in Washington, had a 15-year study to look for the object that was pulling these planets down out of their orbits.
And I don't have for that specific object, if it exists, I don't have a specific orbit or do I know the planned path of that object if it exists.
But I will say this, that once again, back to the statistics of our solar system, there are very likely very large objects out there that do come into the solar system, possibly some of them into the inner solar system.
And not only, here's the catch.
It's not just the object, it's the thousands of objects that these things carry along with them.
Well, let's describe the capture process in celestial mechanics.
It takes two celestial objects to capture another one.
If you have a sun or a star sitting all by itself in outer space, and things are moving in and then from a distance, from a far distance, they'll come around that object and they'll go out and never be captured.
If you put a second object, say Jupiter and the sun, a pair, there's an energy transfer that occurs in celestial mechanics and the object could either gain energy or it could lose energy and when it loses energy, that's where it becomes captured.
And now the question is, will it become captured in the plane of the planets or like Hailbop, which is not in the plane of the planets, literally 90 degrees with respect to the plane of the planets?
And there are historical records which indicate that Venus was a young comet that was captured by Jupiter, came through the solar system, came by Mars, ripped the oceans and atmosphere off of Mars, had two close encounters with Earth, and then nestled into its current orbit.
And the way that happens, that's what a lot of my work revolves around.
I discovered a lot of this work long before I knew about Velikovsky or any of these other native tales, things like that.
I knew about the Mayans because I had lived in Central America and South America, and I knew about the Peruvian legends and the other archaeological legends from around the world.
But basically, the capture process requires two.
So the Earth, for example, could have captured our moon.
Just so that I'm clear, you also don't give any credence or much credence to all this stuff running around the Internet about Planet X being on the way in.
And the idea is that, no, I do not have specific data, and I will never try to use, say, the idea of Planet X to, say, scare people.
But the object is that I want to impress on people that the ancients do have definitive information on a recurring cyclic planet that comes through the solar system.
And, of course, the 3,600-year number comes from a couple of assumptions that there's a period that the Sumers put on theirs.
It's, of course, Sitchin's work, and he picks out the 3,600-year period.
I personally don't pick out that period.
My estimation for when the last time this large object came through was 4,000 years ago, not 3,600 years ago.
But there again, I don't have proof that it existed.
do have tremendous amount of documentation in ancient legends that indicate that big comets have come through the solar system.
And now the other half of that is I've gone and had my own expeditions.
I did this about a year and a half ago where I went to unbeknownst places in the southern hemisphere to look for objects because I knew they were coming in from the southern part of the solar system, only visible from the southern hemisphere.
And that's when I began to realize that these objects are very diffuse because as they move into the solar system, you're only going to be able to see this very diffuse water cloud out there.
And so you're not going to be able to see this with average equipment.
And you need very extremely clear viewing conditions.
If they are up there, they will be able to see them, and they'll be able to see through to the central object, and then, of course, get a better track on exactly where that object is moving, what its orbit is.
Like I said earlier, some of these objects may just graze through that outer region of the solar system and pass by and never return.
Some of them might be recurring objects like the legendary Nibiru and in fact come into the solar system at some point.
But let's make it clear, though, I do not have any information regarding a Planet X that's coming in and inevitably going to impinge on Earth or whatever within.
And of course, I followed that very closely and was one of the, I'd say, as much as mainstream astronomers did not like me, I was probably one of the champions to illustrate that those tales were, in fact, tales.
And I talked about it almost weekly and in my own particular broadcast, that there was nothing to substantiate.
And like you say, these pictures were coming up and being posted on the Internet, and people were looking at them and going, what are these?
Are these real?
And the point was I looked at those and could tell that they were not real.
And I kept telling people, and I had my own observations of those areas where people were looking, and I was saying, there ain't nothing there, folks.
So I had multiple ways for myself to judge what was going on.
Well, because we did a show in the 90s, you and Whitley and myself, and we were talking and we made a right turn in that show.
And I remember you said, and I didn't even understand it at the time, but you said if there was something that was so imminent that there was nothing we could do on Earth and it was coming in, they would not tell us.
What if it was to the point where there was going to be damage?
Like we knew, for example, a big hurricane was coming in.
And we prepared and we knew there was going to be a lot of damage and a lot of life lost.
But we really set the world in motion to get ready for this thing.
We were going to tough it out because one of my own personal opinions is we should be spending a lot more time instead of buying SUVs and driving around to malls, we should be spending time and energy with this civilization becoming spacefaring.
It delivered internet satellite to a group of people in the Northwest that had a lot of trees or whatever obstructing their look at the Clark Belt.
And it was in a very unusual orbit, 23,000, I think they said 5 or 700 miles, I can't recall, but a slightly different orbit that allowed people in the Northwest to have a high look angle at the satellite.
And that baby just disappeared about a week ago.
It was really weird, James.
And I was wondering, what are the odds of satellites getting taken out by, oh, I don't know, meteorites, space junk, whatever?
Yeah, it was I don't know where my I remember seeing it, and I remember them talking about it and the type of measurements that were made to determine that.
And they were known to be electrons.
And since then, there's been a tremendous amount of study in the scientific journals and at scientific conferences to determine exactly the cause of what is known as spacecraft charging.
In other words, spacecraft in outer space all of a sudden mysteriously become electrically charged, always negatively, by the way.
And the current belief amongst scientists in the industry is that electrons become embedded in the surface of the craft.
But the actual situation is any object in a non-uniform plasma will charge negatively.
And that's because of the simple fact that once it begins to discharge that plasma, the majority of the bulk current carrier is in the form of electrons because of the lower or the higher mobility, the lower mass of the electron relative to anything else that's charged out there.
So electrons become the dominant charge carrier to discharge that plasma by way of whatever it is, the satellite, the comet nucleus, the space shuttle, the Earth in the sun's non-uniform capacitor, whatever, they always become negatively charged.
And that is a possibility with this increased solar activity and solar flaring we've seen that these satellites could be, and we may see more of this as if the sun continues this trend of pumping out more and more energy and we begin to discharge this in our own environment.
Those communication satellites, the ones in the Clark belt, are in a region that's very near our outer shell of our magnetosphere.
Remember, we were talking a little while ago about not telling because there wouldn't be any point.
Give me an example of something that could occur, perhaps a body making its way into our system and causing havoc, where it would be worthwhile to report what was about to happen in order to save lives.
In other words, a limited catastrophic event, I guess.
We need a lot of people on this planet to make it work.
And we've seen events in the past.
We know historically, of course, about events in the past that have really devastated Earth, and we've had to recover from this.
The Egyptians told the ancient Greeks that there were five Earth-shattering events that took their civilizations to their knees, and then they had to rebuild five separate times.
This is what the ancient priest cults told Solon when he went back to Egypt.
So apparently these are recoverable.
And I did a little briefing this morning getting ready for the show.
I read your book, and in there, both you and Whitley talked about these events are obviously recoverable.
So if we knew something was coming, I'm certain we'd have a better recovery rate than if everybody were just blindsided.
Astronomers with their telescopes are able to determine that we are going to have a close encounter, let's say, with an object that's the size of our moon.
But this thing is going to be coming by, not at the speed of our moon orbiting us, but at a very high velocity.
It's going to set a gravitational wave into the mantle of the Earth.
It's going to cause tidal waves that are 50 to 100 feet above normal.
And we know the path of this as it's going to pass over Earth.
It's not going to collide with us.
There will be some electrical discharge activity.
Possibly much of this will be absorbed in the upper atmosphere, but we will have some severe storming.
Well, if you move the population away from the shores, 95% of Earth's population is near the shore, and we would lose that 95% if nobody said anything.
Now, what's the recovery rate?
Will people be able to move back there?
Apparently, the tack they're taking is that we don't want all these people moving out into the middle of nowhere and then not have any place to go.
So would it possibly make sense to have some kind of pre-planned program around the world where on higher ground we have built giant dome structures, and we could use these for sporting events and other things when they're not in use for disaster.
But to have a method where the cities can empty out Los Angeles up into the mountains of New Mexico, you know, and okay, we're going to house 10 million people for three weeks, and then we're going to have to figure out what to do with them.
But set all this up, set provisions up, and okay, now we're done with it.
We've used some resources.
It's going to take us some resources, some time, some building, but now we've got this in place.
And maybe it's not the cure-all.
Maybe it won't bring us through every possible disaster.
Sounds interesting, but with nothing but perhaps the Hopi lore and Indian lore to go on, I doubt that kind of expenditure would be made, and I'm sure you do too.
Well, if they did get something like that, how long would it be?
In other words, I think when they first look at an object's trajectory, they get sort of alarm bells that go off if it's headed toward our vicinity.
A couple of times I remember scientists issuing warnings that something might hit or could hit and then revised that.
Oh, I don't know, you know, a few months later, or even a week later, they suddenly revise it and say, no, no, no, thought it might, but it's not going to hit.
They don't you know, there are enormous weather changes going on right now in the Orient and oh, in Europe, gigantic weather changes, and they're hardly being reported here.
Well, you would think so, but I think also a lot of the observations are filtered.
And I've come to learn that more and more, that when you get to the big facilities, and anybody, for example, there was a guy in Arizona this past year.
He started putting public time out on a 32-inch telescope.
And all of a sudden, it was not long until that became very difficult to get time.
And it was all of a sudden captivated by professional astronomers.
If you have a decent telescope or observational setup, you are going to be wrapped up very quickly and your information flow is going to be wrapped up very quickly.
That just seems to be the way it is.
So this idea of if they're not going to report here about these winds in Slovakia or a typhoon in the Philippines.
Interesting point of view about Planet X and all the publicity going around it.
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You know, Hollywood has dealt with this sort of thing a number of times, of course, and by that I mean an object detected by some either professional or amateur astronomer.
And by the way, a lot of these things are frequently found by the amateurs.
And then, of course, they're immediately, hopefully, subjected to professional scrutiny, and they go from there.
And, you know, in the Hollywood movies, of course, it always turns out to be a planet crushing size something or another headed directly for us.
And then there are various scenarios in which NASA gets involved, and astronauts go up with hydrogen bombs and digging materials and that sort of thing, and land on the object and get it to miss Earth.
And I wonder if Professor McKenney thinks these are likely scenarios should we detect something like that headed toward us.
By the way, a distinct possibility.
I think we have all seen Hollywood deal with this scenario, James.
You know, we detect it.
The big fright is on.
It would end all life on the Earth.
As an object like that could do.
Is what you've seen Hollywood do doable?
I mean, if we had a few years notice, James, is something like that doable or is that too big a question for you?
And I'm talking about mounting an effort with a craft.
We did go to the moon, although I think we've junked most of our ability to do that.
We did go to the moon, so one would think in a crash kind of way, we could put together something or another that would go out and do as they did in the movies and, I don't know, drill or put H-bombs on it or change the orbit or do something to save the Earth.
And that's probably, and they're in uncontrollable paths at that point.
So I think where we're going to end up with all this, my own futuristic projection is that eventually we're going to detect these things far enough out with the search programs, and we're going to catalog enough of them to where we have, say, 95% of them cataloged, to where we would know many years in advance.
And also, just the there's two parts of prediction.
One is knowing where this thing is in its exact velocity and direction.
The second thing is having the computing power to determine that orbit out 10 years.
And both those things are extremely difficult and really not within our current capabilities.
And this is based on my own model for comet behavior in the solar capacitor.
You take a tether, which would either be a carbon fiber or some other conductive fiber, and you run a cord out in the anti-solar direction away from the sun of 100,000 miles.
And basically, you initiate the discharge of the solar capacitor.
What that's going to do is cause a negative charge to build up on that object.
It's going to draw in material from the environment to land on it.
And that tail drag is going to change its orbit.
So a very non-intrusive way, you keep the object intact and you alter its orbit.
And by that method, if we knew two years, three years, four years in advance, you could alter that orbit slowly over the course of those two years to where it would miss us.
But that would have to be something that you would test before you would expend the effort to do it.
I mean, the first calls, it seems to me, would be, I don't know, maybe to put jet engines on it or rocket engines on it more appropriately and actually thrust it out of our way.
And there again, now the use of ion engines has been used successfully with, you know, could we build an ion engine big enough to move one of these Hulks around?
Yeah, the answer is possibly yes, which brings up a whole nother scenario.
Let's look way into the future to the point where we go out and we start, say we want Venus to have a moon because we know it'll create a magnetic field there and condition that planet for future life or whatever.
We would spirit an object from maybe the Kuiper belt and say, we want to take this, this is a good candidate for a moon for Venus, and we're going to move it in here, and here's how we're going to do it.
And it's going to take some, just like NASA, say the ISEEE3 satellite had almost no fuel on it, and they moved this around the moon and Earth, and they swung this thing back and forth, who knows how many, 20 times maybe, to finally get it out to where they could sling it out to go to a comet.
Well, that was A planned trajectory knowing all of these energy transfers that I was talking about before, where that gained energy and we threw it out.
And by the same reverse process, very intricate path where this thing is captured through the solar system with maybe just a small nudge out there to nudge it into the right direction, and we would create a moon around Venus.
Just for example.
So where is this all leading?
And would it all start by this business of moving asteroids around so we don't get labeled with one of these things?
Maybe you can comment on something that to me struck, well, I don't know, it struck me as absolutely nutty at the time, but there was a serious proposal in NASA, which I guess was to address the ugly prospects of global warming.
It was suggested inside NASA that you could actually move the planet Earth by nudging an object into a close pass with Earth, which would perturb our orbit, move us farther away from the Sun, and give us an ever better climate.
And then, when the Sun's activity changed again and things cooled down, we'd bring another object close to us and, you know, like a little game of eight ball, we'd put the Earth right back where she is right now.
No, and that object would be discharging the solar capacitor.
Our total interaction would not be beneficial.
And if we ever did come out of it, I'd say the downside of that would be far greater than any benefits that you might gain out of it.
It wouldn't be like Earth would be unaffected.
We'd be nicely moved over here, and we'd be a nice, cooler environment.
And by the way, on the issue of global warming, I have a feeling too, and this is just a possible scenario that I've thought of, that, of course, we had an ice age back then.
We could be just on the upward trough of a warming trend to get back to normal.
And that's the heating we're seeing, the so-called heating of the Earth, along with other factors.
We don't know the contribution of all of these factors, and people are weighing them out right now.
But the question is, what are all the factors that are involved in what we call climate?
Not to mention that our sun is kicking up.
So I don't think anybody has the overall, what we call, energy equation to really understand what's going on with Earth.
And I was talking to a fellow deputy in an adjoining county, and he had said it about Tuesday he was out patrolling around and saw a real bright meteor, and it had a tail on it that lasted in the air for about four minutes.
He said it burned in the air.
He said at first there was flashes of blue light, and then there was the meteor, and then it separated.
Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken, I haven't looked at the meteor stream activity lately, but I thought we were supposed to be in one here in December, and I can't.
Well, one part of this that's frankly always puzzled me tremendously, Professor, is that no matter what it is and how odd it seems to be, whether it lasts for four minutes or geoccasionally even stops And hovers and then continues and crashes to Earth.
You need multiple observations that are very accurate.
And usually somebody like this is out in the middle of the country and they see a streak across the sky and there's no real reference frame with, say, trees or horizon.
So finding an object, sometimes, rarely they do, but usually they don't.
If we have a fairly large object enter the atmosphere and a substantial portion of it makes it to the ground, is there any possibility that if there is biology carried on these rocks or whatever they turn out to be,
that when cracked open, when they hit the Earth, once they pass through the atmosphere, some biological entity that's never been on Earth before now is that is a serious problem.
In fact, this whole issue of contamination is it goes along with space junk and space pollution, which are actual objects like rocket bolts and fuel jettison from rockets and shrouds and all of this.
And that's what you originally started talking about when we were talking about the star band going down.
And then there's all of this stuff that's floating around out there.
But in the medical journals, I mean, this is medical doctors have been studying this for a long time, that a number of things, they are fairly convinced that comet tails are production areas for viruses.
Right.
That's one issue.
The other is...
Well, it already happened, and it's one of my personal campaigns to stop this cross-pollination in space.
Now, the Stardust mission went through Comet Ville 2 tail, trapped all this material, and it's headed back to Earth to be brought into the atmosphere this coming summer.
Now, I believe it's this summer.
But anyway, we just had a spacecraft called Genesis that was out monitoring the solar environment for a couple years.
They brought that back in, and it ended up in thousands of pieces in the middle of the Utah desert.
Because the point is, the medical journals, or the respected medical journals, have documented this since the Chinese were recording this back in the 1200s.
They have noted that the flus have come with the inferior conjunction of Venus, which means that Venus has a tail, like a magneto tail, so to speak, that we pass through and pick up some viruses, you know, that are trapped in that almost like a comet tail behind Venus.
And this is very well noticed.
It's also very well documented in the astrophysics journals that with the inferior conjunction of Venus, that's when it passes between us and the sun, that the solar activity, the sunspot count, goes up.
Always.
So there's something going on there.
But the point is we should not, absolutely should not be bringing stuff back into this planet from outer space.
We should have a space lab where this stuff is examined, but please don't bring it here.
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The idea was, of course, that the shuttle would go up and service it.
Now there's a number of proposals on the table.
One is to use robotics.
A Canadian firm has a two-armed robot that can go up and they claim could do all of the servicing required.
Another one is a space habitat that is at the Bigelow Aerospace, I believe, out of California, has a space habitat, and they say they can go up and kind of park next to it and allow astronauts to stay there temporarily while they go over and then service the telescope.
So there's a number of things they're looking at, but they don't have any solutions at this point, which probably brings up the point that in the future, when they build things, they should build them to be serviced robotically.
And then one guy, young strapping astronomer, got his hands on the Hubble one day, pointed it at the moon, took a picture of the full moon, and printed it on the internet.
There are pictures on the Internet that show a hurricane on Mars, right up near the polar cap.
Very clear, 100% distinct pictures.
They have pictures of Pluto.
And this is where I learned the resolution, the true resolution of the Hubble.
The planet Pluto, which of course is, oh, very small, had something like, what, 93 pixels across the planetary surface to the point where you could see structure on the planet Pluto.
So this tells you the resolving power of the Hubble.
And so if you pointed that to other objects in the solar system, then you could, in fact, determine what you could see with the Hubble.
And what we get is a very, let's say, filtered view of what the Hubble is seeing.
Anyways, y'all were talking about the meteor showers, and I knew by listening to last night's show to be on the lookout for some meteors tonight.
I saw one.
It did not have any hang time at all.
It fell like a stone straight down.
And I was just wondering if you could ask your guest, does he have any good stories about buildings being damaged by meteors and why we don't hear more about them and how often that happens?
As Shoemaker-Levy struck Jupiter, the comet struck Jupiter in a series of strikes, the book of Revelation seems to predict a series of four objects hitting the Earth.
And now my question is, is it possible, physically possible, for objects to strike the Earth like Shoemaker-Levy did to increase the Earth's rotation by a third?
Because it also seems to predict that the day will be shortened by a third to where we'll have like a 60-hour day.
There's a series of potholes in, I think, South Carolina, and I can't remember what they're called, but famous, and they're kind of at a long, they're long, kind of elliptical holes in the ground, and they're in a marshy area.
And it's believed that that was actually a strike, kind of a mini-strike of objects coming in from outer space.
And it's not confirmed.
But obviously, Earth has been hit by things before.
I want to reiterate that we don't always have to be hit by things for damage to occur, what I call action at a distance.
So if we have a big object moving by, it can do a tremendous amount of damage and not hit us.
Well, there certainly has been, thank you very much, plenty of aurora lately.
As you pointed out, we went through quite a very anomalous period with the sun when we just had tremendous number of flares and a very great deal of aurora that went very far south, right?
Those are the powerful ones when you look at the Earth from a satellite, it looks like a donut sitting up on the polar region of the north and south polar region.
And it kind of lobs to one side, usually away from where the sun is.
But when that donut extends down to lower latitudes, that's when the energy of those incoming particles increases.
And the thing is, if that surge would go through the equipment and fry a bunch of our grid equipment, the components I'm talking about, the transformers primarily are the ones that would go.
Here's what would happen: we wouldn't have the electricity to start to rebuild that on a timely scale.
We just don't have the backup equipment.
So it would really shut everything down worldwide.
Communications, everything depends on electricity.
You couldn't pump gas.
I mean, just imagine the world without electricity.
Well, we weren't really exactly told what the consequences would be.
I mean, this was something that really happened, and just by chance, it was pointed off in a different direction.
But, you know, because they understood so little about the magnitude of it, since we've never seen anything like that before, we didn't exactly explain what would have happened if it had been pointed at us.
I mean, now that's a realistic possibility.
So you're saying all the electricity, the grids, all of it would go down worldwide?
Well, there again, anything connected to that at the time, just like in the Northeast when that surge came down from Canada in August, was it August of what year was that Orange?
Well, when they knew it was happening, then they were able on the grid, they can shut off, they can turn off those grid elements from affecting the other ones, and eventually they contained it.
But if something is of the magnitude to destroy a grid, as it did in eastern Canada, why wouldn't that magnitude be much wider spread, more dispersed, and hit everything at once?
I mean, to have such a regional event surprised me.
One thing I do have very intimate contact with is the power grid.
I'm in a position where I'm able to get information on it across the country on a continual basis.
And I remember in, I think about 1998, we were sitting monitoring the grid, and it started in Roswell, New Mexico, and it ended up being a 14-state power outage that ended up in Vancouver.
And basically, the whole scenario that day, what happened was about a month earlier they tried it, and they were using power from the Canadian grid, and they didn't have enough power to drill up through the atmosphere to the ionosphere.
It's using a cyclic low-frequency tower, about 40 hertz.
And it takes a tremendous amount of power to flip the dipoles in the atmosphere off the top.
And the little scenario you gave, the amateur discovers this, you know, puts it out on the internet, this actually happened this past year.
And so we have these amateur astronomers doing hand calculations trying to figure out the orbit.
And on the top of Haleakala over there in Maui, Hawaii, we have the most advanced supercomputer center on the planet hooked up to all those telescopes.
And I could never figure out why isn't this information coming to us from them?
Well, I guess they would only serve a confirmatory role.
In other words, such large facilities would be unlikely to find something like that headed toward us.
They're generally targeting things that scientists have submitted as their plan for the telescope, and that's how they get the time or however it works.
But they're not looking for stuff headed toward us.
That's going to be more likely found by an amateur, right?
Well, possibly, because there are so many amateurs looking around, but they do have search programs there, the Amos group of telescopes, and there's other ones around the world that are, that's their job, is to look for, you know, they're automated.
All they do is look for, you know, unidentified objects floating around.
We spend incredibly small amount of money on and I think a lot of scientists agree that a lot of our space dollars are misspent.
Or if we're going to spend some money on what they're putting it into, let's have more money so we can do more of, say, the unmanned robotic type of thing.
Okay, well, actually, we went over this in our first hour, and yes, there's all kinds of tests that can be run, right, Professor?
Looking at some object that gets to Earth, and they look at it at the micro level, and they do counts, and they can figure out it's not from Earth, right?
And the cataloging of whether it's, say, a true meteorite that was originally a piece of rock out there with some metals or other crystal composition, whatever, but as opposed to what we were talking about the first hour, was literally pieces of apparently alien-produced materials that were part of a spaceship or whatever.
But there are searches also that go on, and of course, this was one of the big controversies that have come up from time to time.
There were some amateur astronomers with radio telescopes who claimed to have locked in on a water signal that was being used, a water frequency, I should say, that was being used to transmit what they believed were intelligent signals.
But back to the material coming into Earth, apparently from your first hour in what Whitley and Dr. Lear were saying, there's a very closed-lipped group of people who manage this stuff.
And when you get into that arena, put on your seatbelt.
And it was designed to use for the prime Minister, kind of like the bunker that the president has, where he can go and get underneath the ground in case there was some type of attack, like 9-11, that type idea.
But there was a large array of antennas there when I was there.
Now, that was mostly comm and whatnot, right?
But it's still, I'm just looking at a current map of the area, and it's still a Department of Defense property.
But what's interesting is that, you know, I watch the news quite a bit, and I never heard a damn thing about that, about this is where that surge came from.
Well, the whole scenario, for one, the surge came from that area, and the low rumbling that everybody heard that day all the way down into New Jersey, but that low rumbling carries along the ground.
It's a low frequency that carries very well for long distances, but it was centered around that region in Ottawa.
Well, there was an incredible amount of power inserted into the grid, like I say, enough to move down into the Northeast power grid and back up nine nuclear reactors.
I have a question I've been wanting to ask the doctor for quite a while.
By the way, this is a really interesting interview.
Oh, first of all, I want to say that I remember that story about the experiment going on outside Montreal that caused that spike.
So I don't remember where I heard it before, but I heard about that.
Okay, the question is, it has to do with celestial discharges.
There's a large section of desert somewhere in or around India where the surface sand has been turned to glass by some sort of superheating.
And I was kind of, it's occurred to me that do you think that it may have happened by some large celestial body passing by, discharging and hitting the desert there and turning it to sand?
And you see this kind of my oh, 1979 I published a paper which showed a spot on the moon Europa, one of the very first pictures that came back from Jupiter's moons.
And there was a bullseye with a very big burnhole right in the moon.
And of course, preserved because there's no atmosphere there.
And it was one of the very first good examples of interplanetary discharges burning a planetary surface.
And now there's many examples of this.
But on Earth, and people see these, they're like beads of glass that require tremendously high temperature.
And they're sprinkled around a place where you have silicon sand.
So the answer is yes, that these are there's a lot of, let's say, astronomical observations that indicate that the Earth and other planets have been encountered electrical discharges, and this would have come as a comet, very highly charged comet, came nearby and just zap.
And the ancients talk about this.
They talk about the interplanetary electrical discharges.
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Thanks a lot for taking my call.
I had a question for Professor McCanney.
There's a project up in Alaska called HARP, High Altitude Auroral Research Project.
Art touched on it earlier.
And I was just wondering if you thought that possibly that project was created to potentially mitigate some sort of impending foreseen or unforeseen disaster by one of these comets or celestial sources that you talk about.
Could that be one of the functions of it, do you think?
And, of course, they're playing with things that they don't originally didn't understand, the ionosphere in the atmosphere, and creating conditions in the atmosphere that trigger the release of energy.
And that's what HAARP has been used for.
The Russians, a year ago, asked for a moratorium to prevent further development of HAARP because they considered it a weapon of mass destruction.
Well, you can beam the energy around just like you do with a ham radio or whatever.
So it can bounce off the ionosphere, come up over there someplace, and then create a pattern, an oscillatory pattern in the atmosphere that then would create conditions there to release energy from the environment in that point.
So you could create a storm over France, say.
And there were people who actually thought that the severe weather in France was a little repayment for them not joining the Iraqi war.
I mean, these are the kind of scenarios that are buzzed in the background, you know, when France had this unsettling weather a year ago.