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March 28, 2004 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines & Sarah James - Poltergeist

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Desert and the Great American Southwest.
		I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case may be in the living time zone circulating this earth, all of which are covered one way or the other by this program known as Code Ghost AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		Good uh good whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to have you here and honor to be here, and tonight we're going to have open lives.
		When I say open lives, I mean anything goes rippling old-fashioned open lives.
		All I ask is that you try and have something very interesting to say.
unidentified		If you want to say hi, then say hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you have something really dramatic, really interesting to say, then I'm all over it.
		So we'll get to that shortly, and also in a moment, we're going to do a couple things on ham radio tonight.
		The first is a ham operator that I talked to on...
		And he's all the way over in Florida, but of late he has begun to send me some emails indicating there's something in his house that ought not be there.
		His name is Tom.
		And for the hams in the audience, he is KN4LF.
		That's Kilibon, Nancy 4, London Foxtrot.
		And something very strange has begun to happen in Tom's house.
		In a moment, we'll tell you all about it.
unidentified		Bye.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, as mentioned, I talked to Tom on 160 meters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was all the way in Florida, so he was one of the first guys who got to hear my new antenna when I got on with it on that very low band, hunt, Tom.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, absolutely.
unidentified		He had a beautiful signal, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, great.
		But, I mean, you're, you know, I looked at your website.
		I kind of checked you out before I brought you on the air.
		And, man, you're into antenna design and modeling and all kinds of science stuff.
		You look heavily at space weather.
		It's a very nice website you've got.
		By the way, folks, he's a ham, so you can look him up.
		K-N-4-L-F, Kilowatt Nancy4, London Foxtrot.
		Pretty cool website, actually, Tom.
unidentified		I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're really into a lot of science kind of guy, huh?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		So when, when, I mean, you're not the kind of person who'd be given to flights of fancy, right?
unidentified		No, absolutely not.
unidentified		I'm a very, very serious person, a scientist, and I believe what I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Sam Way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Show it to me.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not even from Missouri.
		So when did this begin, and what's it all about?
		What's going on?
unidentified		Well, it all started on August 22nd, 2002, which is coincidentally my wife's birthday.
		We were living in a ranch-style house out in the country in the Plant City area near Tampa is where we're located.
		And we awoke one morning and immediately noticed some strange things, which you would call, I guess, poltergeist type of happenings.
		I have a chest of drawers, and I always store, to this day, still store my wallet and my wristwatch in that top drawer of that chest of drawers.
		Well, when I got up and went over there, there's my wallet out up on top of a three-candle sconce hanging on the wall, and my watch is sitting on a stick of, I guess you could say, crack cream, you know, when you get the dry hand.
		So that was day one.
		That was the very first what I would consider to be a paranormal event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you're certain no one moved these items.
unidentified		Right, absolutely, positively certain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		But still, the average person would probably go, you know, okay.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then.
unidentified		Well, it just seemed to slowly escalate the happenings.
		It reached the point where things were happening every day.
		I mean, literally hundreds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Examples, give me a second.
unidentified		Well, like a towel they hung up in the main bathroom.
		Next morning it's in my room hanging on a door.
		An artificial rose under my wife's pillow that came from a vase in another part of the house.
		My 25-year-old son being kicked in the middle of the night.
		Nobody was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so it's yourself, your wife, yourself.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Everybody has experienced something except for my youngest daughter who's 14.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you actually seen anything move in the air, that kind of thing?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Many times I would describe it as shadowy type of figures in my peripheral vision.
		And several times, it's hard to describe a mass of color changing colors with no form.
		And then another time, I know it kind of sounds silly, but that movie Alien that was on years ago when he pushes the button and you can't see him and he reflects everything around him.
		I saw something that looked just like that and it passed right directly square in my vision.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I did hear in the background your wife earlier when I called, you know, after getting the emails.
unidentified		what's been her experience with this i mean Actually, she's had some of the more harrowing in our current house.
		We're in the large master bedroom, and we have a large bathroom, and then there's a third room, which is the toilet area, as we call it.
		And twice recently, when she went into that bathroom, this is at night, the door closed behind her, though it was not locked.
		We couldn't turn the doorknob to get her out like I was fighting something on the other end, but it wasn't her.
		And the lights went out.
		The light was turned off.
		And that happened to her twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this thing followed you from one house to another.
unidentified		Well, maybe.
		We're just not 100% for sure because there was some downtime, as I'd like to call it.
		We went through, oh, approximately a year at the other house.
		We were at the first house for several years, and then all the supernatural, paranormal things started the third year, went on for about a year there.
		We moved and bought this house.
		We were here for nine months.
		Absolutely nothing was going on.
		Things had seemingly returned to normal.
		Then, boom, it was November 19th off the top of my head of 2003.
		It all started here again at this new location, the same kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think you have in your house?
unidentified		Well, you know, I'm certainly not an expert on the paranormal, but I've certainly read up on it.
		I would have to define it as a poltergeist, which, you know, in German means noisy ghost.
		I do believe that I have entity, poltergeist, spirit, ghost, whatever you want to call it, in my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know.
		I've been getting increasingly kind of panicked emails from you, one after another.
		You've been getting names written on paper, that kind of thing.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
		You know, I started, what I, you know, very few people knew about this.
		We basically sat on it for two years.
		But as things got more and more bizarre and a little frightening, we figured, we better tell a few more people here.
		You just never know what's going to happen.
		You know, the Amityville Hover type of, you know, thoughts start going through your mind.
		And so that's when I started CCing you and a couple other friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did something get written on paper?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how did you get it?
unidentified		Okay, plain and simply, I had gone onto your website very recently and I came across a company called ParanormalInvestigation.com.
		And I clicked on that and it was an interesting site.
		And I was able to email a gentleman at that organization by the name of Daniel and explain the whole thing to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
		Most people never think of doing something like that.
		There are organizations that investigate this kind of thing.
		You found one.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		And, you know, in our minds, for the longest time, we wanted to get rid of it.
		This lets us get it out of the house.
		But the more I spoke to him, and with myself being a scientist, we came to the realization that we should try to investigate this in a scientific way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what did you do?
unidentified		Okay, so step one was to do what's called EVG, electronic voice phenomenon, where you basically run a tape recorder and see what you can pick up.
		And at the same time, basically held one-way conversations where I spoke with the entity, asked it questions like, please tell me your first name.
		I'd like to know your first name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she gave it to you to do that.
unidentified		Yes, I took one of my notepads with a pen.
		I placed it on my bed, left the room for a long period of time.
		I came back, and actually the first thing she wrote was Boo in the paper in the notebook.
		And I said, boo?
		Boo.
		Now you're not afraid of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sure this is not your wife or your son screwing around with it.
unidentified		It's all under control circumstances, and that's all been ruled out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, and then the second time around, she did actually write her name.
		And, of course, it totally freaked me out.
		And her name is Sarah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know a Sarah?
unidentified		Absolutely do not.
		And the third incident, she wrote her last name.
		And it's Sarah James is her name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah James?
unidentified		Sarah James.
unidentified		And she gave me her last name today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it the common J-A-M-E-S?
		Yes.
		Sarah James.
unidentified		And I've tried to get her to give me her age, but she won't, so it leads me to believe she may be an older person.
unidentified		But before she actually started writing her name down, she actually woke me up in the middle of the night, as crazy as it sounds, running her hands through my hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Yes, I wake up, startled me, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I look to the corner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's your wife handling this?
unidentified		Well, okay, we're all handling it.
		It's happened so much.
		It's gone on so many times.
		It's kind of like, well, we've accepted it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the running the hands through the hair thing?
unidentified		Oh, that was pretty freaky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, from your wife's point of view...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		You know, the expression on Sarah's face was one of like, I guess you could say, admiration was the impression I got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The expression on Sarah's face?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		She appeared when I saw her just like a human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Yes, she came in a very totally human form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was this?
unidentified		This was just in the past week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the past week?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This appearance, in your bedroom?
unidentified		Yes, in my master bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
unidentified		No, it's just overwhelming, and I was able to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe Sarah.
unidentified		Well, she was about four feet tall, appeared to be a young girl, child, maybe six, seven, eight years old, wearing what I would consider to be 19th century clothing.
		Kind of like little house on a prairie type of dresses.
		She had long brown hair and she had brown eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		And she was there for how long?
		Just an inside?
unidentified		Well, I would say completely, you know, about five or six seconds before she just poofed.
unidentified		She was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My goodness, Tom, you need to oil that chair.
unidentified		Yes, yeah.
unidentified		I'm sitting in front of my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In front of your hammer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is really something.
unidentified		Yeah, well, it's totally overwhelming.
		I say to myself, why me?
		What's the deal?
		I mean, I'm an open-minded person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you done any research on the name?
unidentified		A little bit today.
		Like I said, we only got the full name this afternoon at about 5.30 p.m. my local time.
		And so far, we haven't turned up anything of consequence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has Sarah made any requests or anything beyond her name and her appearance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, anything that would indicate what Sarah, why she's doing this?
unidentified		No, not so far.
unidentified		Obviously, I presume that all the poltergeist type of happenings was her way of trying to get our attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
unidentified		Especially me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember I asked, you saw some things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have you actually seen move through the air?
unidentified		Well, one of the earliest things here in the room was a stick of deodorant that flew across the room.
unidentified		And very recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One might consider that an insult.
unidentified		Well, yeah, yeah, you know, and then my wife's in the bathtub.
unidentified		And there's an antique soap dish, very heavy antique soap dish on the ledge of the tub went flying across the bathroom, hit the wall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your wife saw that.
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		Do me a favor.
		I'll tell you what she said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all right.
		Don't tell me fully what she said.
		Do me a favor, though.
		Will you put the phone down for a second and go get your wife?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you don't have to, but I'd appreciate it.
unidentified		All right, hang on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sure.
		You're listening to Thomas.
		He's a ham radio operator, KN4LF.
		It's an incredible story.
		Hi, how are you doing?
unidentified		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is fine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name?
unidentified		Ann.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ann.
		And Tom is telling an incredible story, really an incredible story of something that's in your home.
		I mean, do you back him up?
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
		Definitely.
		It's just been really, I guess you would call it nerve-wracking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least.
unidentified		At least, yeah.
		And, you know, you really don't think about things, you know, like this.
		You see things like this on TV and you go, ha, yeah, you know, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You know, this guy's crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That's going to happen.
		Yes.
		And then all of a sudden, all of this stuff starts happening to us and we're like, you know, maybe there's something to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've actually seen things move through the air like a soap dish stuff.
unidentified		I was in the bathtub soaking.
		And we had this garden tub, a big garden tub, and the soap dish was back behind me on the back side of the tub.
		And I was almost asleep.
		And all of a sudden, it went flying across the room and hit the wall and just shattered all over the floor.
		And I mean, it scared me to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
unidentified		And Tom jumps up out of the chair thinking, oh, no, she's fell or something's going on.
		And the soap dishes busted up all over the floor.
		And Tom says, well, what happened?
		I said, it just went flying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea, feelings at all, even about what Sarah might want?
unidentified		I don't know.
		You know, it's just been so much has happened.
		And it's like, well, why are you doing this?
		What do you want?
		Do you want to go home?
		What's the deal?
		I don't know if it's we're so open-minded now about all of this is that she's just finally able to communicate with somebody because she's been around for so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you religious folks?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, then a poltergeist, a ghost, you think Sarah is just unable to get where she needs to go.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, usually you hear about these things afterwards, not while it's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is happening to you all right now.
unidentified		Yeah, it's happening to us now.
		And, you know, my son, we have like a little computer room, and we have sliding glass doors in that room.
		And my son stays up late at night on the computer, and he won't stay up late anymore.
		He goes to bed whenever I go to bed.
		I'm going to bed, mom.
		I said, well, Kevin, I said, you know, go ahead and stay up.
		No, I'm going to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very unkid-like.
unidentified		Yeah, he's almost 21.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But still, I mean, you say, go ahead and stay up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm going to bed.
unidentified		I'm going to bed.
		And one morning he got up and something had happened to us.
		You know, so much has happened.
		And I got up and we were telling the kids about it.
		And he looked at me and he says, well, were you in my room shaking my bed to wake me up?
		And I said, no.
		He says, well, something shook my bed.
		And he says, I got up.
		He says, I thought you were in here.
		And I said, no, it wasn't me.
		And then he had a friend stay the night with us just recently, this past week.
		And they were in there on the computer together.
		And all of a sudden, we had this huge china cabinet in our dining room.
		And they kept hearing something hitting the glass of the, like knocking on the glass of the china cabinet.
		And, you know, they would get up and go, you know, go look, and there was nothing there.
		And then you could hear the door knobs rattling and you'd hear, you know, nothing's there.
		And then we had this big screened porch.
		And the door opens and closed.
		It'll open and you can hear it slam, open and slam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, this really does sound like the classic, you know, how they define a poltergeist.
unidentified		Right.
		I mean, it's just really strange.
		And then what's so funny is, you know, he's almost 21.
		And, of course, he and his friend go in the room to go to bed, and my son has to go to the bathroom.
		Well, his friend says, I'm not staying in this room.
		He gets up and goes to the bathroom with my son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		There is nothing, though, beyond sort of a poltergeist-like activity.
		In other words, nothing really ominous yet has happened, has it?
unidentified		No, other than me getting where I couldn't get out of the bathroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't get out?
unidentified		I couldn't get out.
		I was on one side of the door, and Tom was on the other, and it wasn't locked, and I tried to push the door open, and I couldn't get it open.
		And so I started beating on the door, yelling for Tom, Tom, I can't get out.
		Get me out.
		And all of a sudden, the light goes off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty freaky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The light goes off while you're locked in there.
unidentified		Yeah, well, you're lost.
		The light goes off in there, and I'm banging on the door with both hands, and Tom's pulling on the other, saying, let go.
		And I says, I'm not touching it.
		It won't open.
		And then finally, I mean, he gave it a real big, hard pull, and it just let loose, and he went flying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you guys have really got something in your home.
		Listen, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		Thank you for talking to me.
		I want you to put Tom back on the phone when I get back from the break, all right?
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, excellent.
		Thank you.
		Well, this is something going on right now in Florida.
		It's happening to Tom and his wife, his son.
		There's something in their house.
		Well, actually, we know that something is named Sarah James.
		There's a man of science.
		You know, he's a science kind of guy.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's something in Tom's house.
		Tom and his family, obviously, have something going on right now.
		Something that calls herself Sarah James.
		Tom's actually seen her.
		just a few more questions for time in a moment because you don't frequently get to talk to someone who's got it happening to home right now you're welcome Back now to Tom in Florida.
		Tom?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You know, just a couple more things.
		If you would go back, you described Sarah.
		Do it again.
		And give us absolutely as much detail as you can recall.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		She looked completely human and normal as though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Solid.
unidentified		Solid, like I like to call it within that bag of salt water.
unidentified		And appeared to be about four feet tall, young girl, maybe six or seven years old, long brown hair and dark eyes, and was wearing what I would consider to be 19th century clothing that a young girl would wear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did she have any expression on her face?
unidentified		Yeah, it was one of what I would describe as admiration as she was looking at me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		Admiration.
		Yes.
		Admiration.
		Have there been any messages written from Sarah other than her name?
unidentified		No, no, nothing at all.
unidentified		But, you know, I continue to, as I say, have the one-way conversations with her and continue to ask her new questions and hopefully we'll get more answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there anything at all that you can connect with her first appearance, the first time you all began to notice these things occurring, and anything that was going on at that time?
unidentified		No, I can't.
		I can't.
		It was just a very sudden beginning, and it's totally baffling, you know.
		And like I said, I'm a scientist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a lot of ham gear there.
		You've got a lot of computers, obviously, and all the rest of it.
		any effect on any of the electronics, Tom?
unidentified		No, no, not at all.
		Not at all.
		But I am going to be measuring electromagnetic effects here shortly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like a good idea.
unidentified		Yeah, see what I can pick up.
unidentified		And still photography and video tape also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, start running a tape.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		And hopefully we can, you know, from a scientific standpoint, collect information and see what we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these people who advised you, Tom, what have they been advising you to do?
unidentified		Well, once again, gave me the suggestions of videotape and electromagnetic measurements, the electronic voice phenomena recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything caught on that yet?
unidentified		Well, I honestly haven't played anything back yet.
unidentified		It's been just talking and letting the recorder run, so we'll have to see what we may hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I can't tell you how I appreciate this, and I would like to stay in touch with you on this story so that we can kind of follow it to whatever conclusion it might have.
unidentified		Yes, because I don't think we're anywhere near that yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, please thank your wife, and I thank you.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		There have been a really nice talk at the art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Tom.
		There you have it, folks.
		There's the experience of one man in Florida and his family with something that obviously is here, and I guess fairly obviously from another time or still here.
		I don't know.
		I don't know which it is.
		Do you?
		Fascinating stuff.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		While, and before we leave the subject of amateur radio, as you know, last week, I hope you know anyway, last Saturday, I had a very great deal to say and did, oh, I don't know, about an hour and a half on this coming wicked technological advance, you better put advance in quotes from my point of view, called BPL or broadband over the power lines.
		It is a move of the Federal Communications Commission and certainly the power industry to put the internet in every single wall socket in America.
		In fact, there have been a couple of presidential words about this recently, and presidential hopefuls have said words about it as well.
		While not specifically saying BPL, they're beginning to set target dates for the entire nation to be wired.
		Now, the trouble with, of course, the way they're going about this BPL business is that they're going to take everything roughly from 2 to 80 megahertz.
		Now, that includes, so that you understand, everything either including or just above the standard AM broadcast band, all the way up into the, well, of near FM, near the FM band.
		And that would be inclusive of the entire shortwave brand.
		All the emergency broadcasting that goes on, or a very great deal of it on HF frequencies, would be affected, degraded, ham radio operators might turn out to be dinosaurs along with CB operators and people who operate channel 2, 3, 4, 5, and even 6.
unidentified		It's just going to wipe out so much stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so before I said what I said last week, Amateur Radio Newsline, which is an interesting organization that does reports of interest to amateur radio operators, and then it's played back on repeaters and on the air in various places, they called me and they interviewed me.
		Usually it's the other way around.
		I'm usually giving interviews.
		In this case, they interviewed me on the subject of BPL, this horrid, onrushing phantasm of, in my opinion, noise-making technology.
		Anyway, they interviewed me, and so I thought it might be interesting to play that interview for you.
		Here it is in its entirety.
unidentified		Amateur Radio Newsline report number 1389 with the release date of Friday, March 26, 2004 to follow in 5-4-3-2-1.
		The following is a QST.
		A popular talk show host says no to BPL.
		And REACT gives its support to the Amber Alert System.
		Find out the details on Amateur Radio Newsline report number 1389.
		Coming your way right now.
		From around the world, this is Newsline, Amateur Radio's independent on-the-air news and bulletin service.
		Now from Charleston, West Virginia, with Jim Dameron, N-A-T-M-W.
		I'm Jeff Clark, K-8JAC.
		Well, if it did not know before, a large portion of the American public's now keenly aware of the danger that broadband overpower line internet access poses to the nation's emergency communications infrastructure.
		And you can thank Radio Talk Show host Art Bell, W6OBB, and ARRRL President Jim Haney, W5JBP, for bringing much of it to everyone's attention.
		Amateur Radio Newslines Mark Abramovich and T3V had an opportunity to speak with the internationally famous radio talker and has the rest of the story.
		From the high desert of the great American Southwest, a call to arms has been sounded.
		From his home base in Perrump, Nevada, W6 Oscar Bravo Bravo, better known to millions of commercial radio listeners as Art Bell, has called on America to stand up and fight what he charges is the greatest threat to the nation's security, broadband over power line.
		Bell charges BPL will cripple the nation's emergency communications backbone, striking at the heart of homeland security.
		Bell picked up the charge against BPL during his radio show broadcast Saturday, March 20th, in which he introduced ARRRL President Jim Haney, W-5 Juliet Bravo Papa, to his audience.
		Haney and Bell pointed out the BPL interference threat extends far beyond the amateur bans.
		Both Haney and Bell warned that many police and fire companies, federal disaster agencies, and the FBI and military would be rendered helpless if BPL is rolled out across the nation.
		Bell says he's especially worried about the potential of another major attack against the United States and what BPL would do to our nation's ability to communicate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The emergency communications, my God, aircraft, amateur radio, FEMA, any other emergency agencies that are going to have to rely On HF communications.
		We certainly can't depend on satellites.
		As a matter of fact, if we should get into a conflict, some sort of major conflict, the satellites will be the very first thing that will go.
		And minus satellites for communications, we're dependent on the good old-fashioned short wave bands, VHF, UHF, the whole schmear, to keep our nation talking.
		And in a time of national emergency, we need to be able to talk to each other.
unidentified		Fell says he's appalled at the behavior of the Federal Communications Commission.
		He says they're acting like cheerleaders instead of regulators.
		He charges corporate greed is driving BPL and ignoring the studies showing the technology, as proposed on the HF bands, won't work without causing massive interference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've always had the deepest respect for the Federal Communications Commission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, I think that in recent years there have been a lot of changes at the FCC that include the fact that there aren't so many engineers at the Commission any longer, but there are a lot of bureaucrats.
unidentified		Bell says he believed after reading the Federal Emergency Management Agency's assessment of BPL that the findings would have been enough to shut it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The FEMA filing was very strong.
		They essentially said, look, our receivers and transmitters are not going to be able to function with BPL in place, and they specified the power levels they would have to go to to continue to communicate and suggested the taxpayers wouldn't be able to afford such changes.
		So with that kind of filing, frankly, when it came out, I thought BPL was dead.
		Boy, was I wrong.
unidentified		After doing more research, Bell says he decided to take the case to his listeners, and he says the only way to do it is to point out the risk to their safety.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we're going to combat it by saying, save ham radio.
		The public doesn't care enough.
		And I'm sorry to have to say that, but that's what I believe.
		I love ham radio.
		It's been my life.
		I've been a ham since I was 12.
		But the greater, larger American public just doesn't care enough about ham radio.
		And if they think they can, you know, plug in their computer to the wall and have instant internet, that's a more attractive idea to them than the guy down the block with the tower in the air.
unidentified		Bell says his mission is clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do a radio program on 500 radio stations nationwide, including the top 50 markets in the U.S. And I'm going to do everything I can to drive this home as hard as I can that communications, and certainly ham radio is part of that emergency communications chain.
		There's no question about that.
		But emergency communications across the board are threatened by BPL.
unidentified		Bell says all hams need to wake up and heed his call to action.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have to get to the larger media in America.
		And as hams, we have to make the general public, underline the word general public, aware that our emergency communications are threatened.
		The American public remembers 9-11.
		The American public knows what the continuing threat is.
		We've declared war against terrorism.
		And why would we want to turn around and cripple our effective ability to wage war?
		And that's exactly what BPL is going to do.
unidentified		Bell says if energized with information about BPL's risk to national security, millions of Americans can quickly become allies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We need to get the word out to the general public and begin to have them write to their congressman, their senator.
		And that's the only approach that I see at this point with a juggernaut that is presently underway from the Federal Communications Commission and the industry.
		The only way we're going to stop it is to make the general public aware of the threat.
unidentified		Bell says there are other issues, including interference to TV channels 2 through 6, residual noise to the AM radio bands, and virtual loss of C V bands used by the many truckers who listen to his show.
		He says there are also privacy issues, especially the potential of the government and large companies to track people and their habits and choices on a BPL system.
		For the amateur radio newsline, I'm Mark Abramovich and T3V in Philadelphia.
		Bill currently hosts the weekend edition of Coast to Coast AM.
		He also indicates that his presentation on Saturday, March the 20th, was only round one.
		He's lining up other guests to talk about the BPL issues in the near future.
		To find out when, keep checking the show's website at www.co.coastcoastam.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was going to say.
		Well, there you have it.
		It's really weird to be interviewed.
		Really weird to be interviewed when, generally, you are the one doing the interviewing.
		It's very strange having the tables turned on you.
		Well, BPL.
		Now, why should the American public perhaps not want BPL?
		Well, are you concerned about our nation's emergency communications?
		You ought to be.
		We're in a war.
		We are in a war.
		These are people who just simply want to kill us.
		They don't want to talk to us.
		They don't want us to change our national policy.
		They want us dead.
		And therefore, we have to go after them.
		And this is going to be a rough fight.
		This is the old fight to the death thing, right?
		And in that, we need to keep our emergency communications.
		So shutting them down or crippling them with something like BPL is just plain stupid.
		hello and then there is another issue and that is once they have
		Maybe a little, but once they have internet and electricity in every single wall socket in your home, then the first thing that's going to happen is there are going to be all kinds of appliance companies that are going to have your use reported back to them so they can better serve you.
		And that'll be the beginning of it.
		And of course, anytime you've got electricity and two-way internet, why that would mean with the smallest little inconspicuous bug, somebody in Helsinki, Finland could be watching or listening to everything you do in your home.
		If ever there was a path, an introduction, a welcome, a big brother into America, it would be the possibilities engendered by this technology Coming at us at the speed of light, quite literally, I guess.
		And it would seem as though the Federal Communications Commission is cheerleading the event through the Bush administration's urgings, no doubt.
		But, you know, I think that it would be wise, in view of what we're sacrificing to achieve this dubious goal, it might be wise for us to stop.
unidentified		Wait, take a look, decide if it's really the right thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After all, Japan tried it, and they threw it out.
		A lot of other countries tried it, too, and they tossed it out on its ear because it was interfering with everything.
		So I'm trying to raise your awareness about BPL.
		And I guess I'm asking you to simply write to your senator or congressperson, really just dash off a quick note and say, on this BPL issue, it's called broadband over power lines, please find a way to slow it down enough so we can study all of this much more carefully.
		And if we're making a mistake, then we might have a chance of deciding it's not such a good road to go down.
		And we might be making a mistake.
		I think there's enough weight over on the side of, hey, wait a minute here.
		Do we really want to trash all of the shortwave bands?
		Do we really want that technology in our home, whether we want it or not?
		I'm not so shy, and I love the internet.
		I've got the internet delivered in a million different ways here, but I really don't want it mixed in with my electricity in every wall socket in my home, throughout the walls of my entire home.
		I really don't want that.
		And while they say that this will be the grand, it'll just be the panacea that will bring broadband internet to the farthest reaches of our country, don't kid yourselves.
		That's what cable said.
unidentified		They said, oh, we'll bring perfect TV to the people out in the boondocks in the rural areas of America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly they will have.
		And this justified cable systems going up.
		Well, guess where they went up?
		Did they go up in the rural areas where the poor farmer can't see a good picture?
		No.
		They went up in the cities.
		Why?
		Because that's where the people are.
		That's where the money is.
		Follow the money, the old, trusted old saying, follow the money.
		Here, too, if you follow the money, the deployment of BPL is going to be in areas where there's lots of people.
		Because you see, they have to put something on each transformer to get it to relay on down the electric line.
		So kind of like cable, you know, all of this is going to cost money to the infrastructure to put in.
		And so then logically, where will they put it in?
		They're going to put it in where the people are.
		Where are the people?
		The people are in the cities.
		So the advertisement that BPL is going to be the panacea for the poor guy in the country is just out to launch.
		Totally.
		This, ladies and gentlemen, is going into the cities first.
		And I know many of you are in the cities.
		So even if you're not a technology type of person, consider what it may mean to have two-way internet in every electric socket you've got.
		So you've got electricity, two-way internet.
		Think of the possibilities.
		And remember that we're at war.
unidentified		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is who?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Uh-huh.
		Who?
		Yeah.
		What is who?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Say it again.
		Who?
		Who?
		Look out.
		What is who?
		Absolutely nothing.
		Listen to me.
		I despise.
		Cause it means the strutting of this life.
		Wore me a chance if I was a mother's life.
		When I start to fight and lose their life.
		I stand.
		I start myself to wonder what.
		I start to forget to play my role.
		You take it out.
		You make myself unruly.
		I. I live among the creatures of the night.
		I haven't got the will to try and fight.
		Against the new tomorrow.
		So I guess I'll just believe it.
		That tomorrow will never come.
		I said, it's night.
		I'm living in the tallest of the dreams.
		I know the night is not as it seems.
		I must believe in something so I'll make myself believe it.
		This night will never go.
		Oh, oh, oh, oh.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and we're about to enter the unscreened underbelly of the genetic pool of the United States.
		In other words, we're about to have open lines.
		Anything can happen.
		Absolutely anything.
		And that's up to you.
		So if you've got a story of high interest, a dramatic tale to tell of some sort, then we're about to come to you.
		So what we're going to do, I do want to, again, because probably it will not be on the website After tonight, but I ran into one of the most profound things on the internet that I've run into ever on the internet.
		You know, it really is that good.
		It's called Riding Through Chernobyl, and it's about a young lady named Elena.
		She is, she's, I don't know, she's very brave or very dumb or I don't know.
		What she does is she rides through the dead areas, and I mean dead areas, the cities that house people no longer, the cities that people had to abandon instantly, or at least as soon as they were told to, around Chernobyl.
		And I guarantee that after you have taken this tour, there will be a profound effect on you.
		The photographs will have a profound effect on you.
		And you will think all kinds of things like what man can do to himself, because these are staggering pictures, staggering.
		You will wonder about the use of nuclear power at any level.
		You'll at least wonder.
		And, you know, it's a profound experience.
		Take my advice, and before this riding through Chernobyl thing goes off, you get on and take the tour.
		Trust me on this.
		Other than that, let's see what else is going on.
		White House in trouble on the 9-11 thing.
		Condoles Rai is probably not going to testify.
		Gas prices.
		Oh, gas prices.
		Have you seen them?
		In California, they're headed rapidly now toward the $3 gallon.
		And when we're at these kinds of prices for gas at this time of year in summer, the vacation period, which generally bumps another 5 cents or more to the cost, is just ahead of us.
		You know we're headed toward $3 a gallon.
		So I guess we're about to have some kind of gas crisis, it looks like.
		A whirling storm battered the coast of southern Brazil.
		This is a storm, shouldn't have even been there.
		It was a hurricane born off the coast of Brazil.
		They don't birth there, folks.
		They birth off the coast of Africa.
		But this one did.
		Defying the scientists who say it can't happen.
		In fact, down in Brazil, the scientists are saying it's not a hurricane.
		Our scientists here in the U.S. are saying, oh, yes, it is.
		At least category one.
		Winds as high as 94 miles an hour.
		It has an eye.
		It has a traditional, from the satellite view, of a hurricane.
		And it has 90.
		Oh, it's a hurricane.
		It shouldn't be there, but it is there.
		And now in Brazil, it has killed.
		weather is in fact changing So, no screeners, no safety nets.
		Let's rock.
		Hi there, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, where are you?
unidentified		I'm from Oregon.
unidentified		My name's Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Richard.
unidentified		Yes, and about that girl that rides her motorcycle through Chernobyl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it shows all the horrific damage just caused by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just the barrenness of it, I think, is what got me.
unidentified		Yeah, I was wondering, could there be some way that that video could be transmitted or relayed to the crazy leader of North Korea?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they ought to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, every living human being should see this.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until you see it, you don't really understand.
		I mean, when you begin reading things like, well, maybe a human could live in that area she's riding through in another 900 years, maybe.
		And then maybe in another, what, 80, some odd thousand years?
unidentified		85,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		85,000 years, it'll be habitable again.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have that much history.
unidentified		Yeah, but there'd be no way to get him to or be able to ship something like that over to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's on the World Wide Web, so they could get to it, but I doubt they're reviewing that kind of material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think they're thinking more about causing that kind of effect, frankly.
unidentified		Well, that's what I don't like to hear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate your call, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They probably are thinking more about causing that sort of thing.
		We talked about this, I don't know, a couple of weekends ago, and it is the opinion of most who study North Korea that they are crazy.
		Not just aggressive, not just fascist or communist, but crazy, crazy, as in willing to die for what they believe.
		And they believe they are at war with us.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mary from Bonners Ferry, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mary.
unidentified		I took the ride through Chernobyl last night, and I was absolutely appalled by air in this.
unidentified		It was like I could hear the absolute silence there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I can't believe that more people in this country, I live in a solar house, and why more people don't do that is amazing.
unidentified		It's so easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not exactly.
		I mean, I do it too.
		I am off the grid.
		I have the capability here, you know, with solar and wind and battery banks and all of that.
		But the fact of the matter is, Mary, it's rather expensive for the average person.
		And the return on it, you can't expect.
		If you expect one at all, it's not going to come for many years.
		I think the bigger question might be, Mary, why aren't we making it affordable?
		Why aren't we mass-producing solar panels and making them cheap and really available?
		Then you'd have something going.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Thank you very much.
		The average person has got to be able to afford this technology.
		And if ever there was a good reason to give a subsidy for something, tax breaks, and you know, it's common knowledge That there are some given, but I mean, more tax breaks, whatever it takes to get people to begin to enmass, purchase the solar panels and inverters and the kinds of things that will, at least, at the very least, augment the power we use.
		These are just the obvious steps.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Hey, Dan.
		I live in Perrump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You live in Perump?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Okay.
		I have your show, and I love your radio station.
		People may not know that you have your own radio station, just my kind of music.
		We do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-N-Y-E, 95.1 here in Perump.
		Every chance I can get to do that 100.1 in Las Vegas.
		Just love promoing the station.
unidentified		Something that goes Perump in the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Hey, listen, I've had an experience.
		And first off, I want to tell you that before this experience, I was agnostic and probably more atheist than agnostic.
		I lived in L.A. in 1980, in Manhattan Beach specifically.
		And we had a party around Christmas, a few days before Christmas.
		And the easiest, quickest way to get to Linwood, where the party was, was straight down Imperial Highway.
		Well, if you go down Imperial Highway, you go through South Central LA, which is a pretty rough part of town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it is.
unidentified		But I left during the day, so I wasn't too concerned.
		But when I left, there was a little bit of fog in Manhattan Beach, not much.
		I drove all the way there, no problem, went to the party.
		Left about two, and it was the thickest fog out that I'd ever seen.
		I've lived in Frisco, up and down the coast.
		I mean, you couldn't see 20 feet in front of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In there, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, so I pulled in this restaurant parking lot and sat there, kind of wait it out, I guess, and it wasn't going to go nowhere.
		So I took off, and I'm going down Imperial Highway.
		And it was, you know, you're doing like 20, 30 miles an hour.
		There weren't too many cars on the road, but I was following one, kind of following his taillights.
		And then he pushed on his brake lights, and I noticed that there was a red light on, the stoplight.
		So I'm sitting there, and I noticed a little movement in the rearview mirror.
		And then I looked over suddenly to my left, and there was a guy standing there, and he had a blue bandana around his face.
		And he looked at me, and I was like, oh, my boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a highway robber?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And he says, yeah, can you give me a ride?
		and i was not sure of the thing it was really good for me excuse me yes Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A guy with a bandana on his face, and you say, sure?
unidentified		Well, what are you going to say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, all right.
unidentified		So then about that time, he reaches in and shot me right in the chest.
		He shot you?
		Well, that's why you don't let people with bandanas in your car.
		He didn't get in the car.
		He just said that for whatever reason.
		He just said that and then shot me.
		And it landed right under my heart.
		The bullet.
		Blood started going everywhere.
		So by this time, the car was gone in front of me and I took off and I was trying to remain calm.
		I didn't want to go into shock or anything.
		And I'm thinking, wow, blood just splitting out.
		And I was going to try to make it towards home.
		I'd have never made it.
		But I'd be driving down the road.
		And you know all these signs that say emergency room that you never pay attention to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were seeing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you were paying attention.
unidentified		Well, not really.
		But this big beam of light was shot right towards this sign.
		I would have never seen it.
		My head would not have shown it.
		It would not have lit it up.
		This big beam of light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lights up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
unidentified		It said emergency room, and it had an L going to the left.
		This is like an Imperial and Wilmington, and then going west.
		And it was Martin Luther King Hospital.
		If you're going to get shot or stabbed, that's the place to go because they've got a trauma center on a standby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's your first name again?
unidentified		Steve.
		Steve?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an incredible story.
		So you were shot.
		It was near the heart.
		How did you make out?
unidentified		Well, I drove.
		I saw the sign and I thought, well, hell, that's probably a pretty good place to go right now.
		And I drove down there and I parked right in front of the double doors and went crashing through.
		And just that was the last thing I remember until I woke up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they successfully retrieved the bullet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're alive, telling us.
unidentified		They didn't mess the bullet in.
unidentified		that it would have done more damage if they had gone in and tried to get it out, that they were able to open me up and see sure the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they catch anybody?
unidentified		Nah.
unidentified		It was, you know, they got so many shootings down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did they...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, usually it's carjacking or something, right?
unidentified		I had a brand new Chrysler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And, you know, all he had to have done was say, hey, man, I want your car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		Well, he got at me, and I just thank God he didn't shoot me in the head.
		But, you know, just an instant before he shot me, he turned his head to the left like he didn't want to see the blood.
		And he's going to pull me out of that car, leave me right in the middle of the highway, Imperial Highway, and jump in my car and go.
		And I've often wondered what he thought when he saw me driving down there.
		He probably thought he missed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he probably did.
unidentified		If I hadn't seen that sign with that big beam of light that came out of nowhere, I would have never made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you, Steve.
		That's an incredible story, man.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, take care.
		That's an incredible story.
		Shot in cold blood.
		And for no, well, I guess probably as part of a would-be carjack here or something.
		Wow, what a story.
		And a beam of light down on emergency room to the Left.
		I wonder who does the intervention.
		Don't you?
		Who is it intervening in those kinds of cases?
		Who would that be?
		Would that be an angel?
		Would that be a relative of yours now passed on?
		Would that be God?
		Many possibilities.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Michael in Norfolk, Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Michael.
unidentified		Art, I know that it's natural to give extra time to people who have a nice, interesting story to tell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how it works.
unidentified		But I hope you won't give short shrift to what I'm about to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Qualify yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it interesting?
unidentified		Well, it's very emotional, so it's going to be a little difficult for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do your best.
unidentified		It has to do with your interview with David Rice Bannon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I was blown away by that interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So was I, for the record.
		I walked out every break, and I said, you know, my wife is here, and I said, you know, holy something or another.
		This guy's for real.
		We're talking to the real McCoy here.
		That's how it hit me.
		I mean, there was no question about it.
unidentified		No question about it.
		The man is sincere.
		But emotionally, this has turned my life upside down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How so?
unidentified		Well, the statistic that he brought up, he said there are 268,000 children that are the victims of these monsters in the United States every year.
		He said that 10% of the children that are abducted in the United States end up in overseas sex slave markets.
		And then he asked the question, he said, why Bosnia?
		I'm paraphrasing him.
		I don't remember exactly.
		Part of it may be what went through my mind and part of it what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just tell me, what did he say this time?
unidentified		Well, he said, why Bosnia?
		Why Afghanistan?
		Why Iraq?
		And why not Thailand?
		Where our children are going as sex slaves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		I agree.
		Give me a minute here.
		This is rough.
		We've got to nail the statistics down.
		We've got to do a program where you bring somebody.
		You can't have just one witness on this.
		We've got to nail these statistics down.
		Where does the 10% fall?
		Is it 10% of 268,000?
		Is it 10% of a lesser number?
		What is the number?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		I wouldn't be so concerned with numbers, are you?
		If it's one, it's too many.
		If it's one, it's too many.
		And we know it isn't.
		You know, it's many, many, many, and the whole...
		And I must say that I was extremely conflicted, and I imagine many of you were out there, myself, about the whole thing.
		On the one hand, you don't ever really want to justify vigilante justice.
		But on the other hand, if anybody ever deserved such thing, and I'm not suggesting they do, then it would be a case of that sort.
		So whether it's one or many more than that, which of course we know it is, yeah, we've got to get to the bottom of it.
		We've got to get it stopped.
		You're on the air, was to the Rockies.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Aric.
		Hello.
		I love that poltergeist story, and that's really happening right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		I mean, you know, there was a guy, another guy I flat out believed, period, it's going on.
		It's happening.
		That's pretty interesting.
unidentified		Very interesting.
		I had a very weird happening when I was in the military 30 years ago.
		And I was in, I guess I was in a haunted room in a barracks.
		And didn't realize it until I, you know, finally things got so bad that my roommate, another woman, had walked in, saw a look on my face, and asked what was wrong.
		And I told her, and then you know, well, at that particular moment, I had been napping after work.
		It was early evening, and it was dark, you know, sort of wintertime.
		We were on a temporary hold between boot camp and school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We had gotten out of boot camp right before the holidays, and so we were just being held there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Normally a time to rejoice.
unidentified		But this is such an odd place.
		It was Cape May, New Jersey during hurricane season.
		And it was just a weird place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, did you ever see things moving through the air, the kinds of things that he talked about?
unidentified		No, but stuff would move around in the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that qualifies.
unidentified		But you never saw anything move.
		And I don't believe she told me that she saw anything move either.
		But when she had walked into the room and we started to tell each other about what had been happening for the past three or four weeks to each of us individually in this room, I had been taking a nap and I woke up.
		And you know how sometimes you're paralyzed, but your eyes are open?
		Yes, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, we're here at the bottom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back and finish this up from the high desert in the middle of the night.
unidentified		We'll be right back and finish this up from the high desert in the middle of the night.
		Oh, the mist across the window hides the light.
		But nothing hides the color of the lights that shine.
		Electricity.
		Stop, hey, what's that sound?
		Everybody look what's going down.
		Music What a field day for the heat.
		A thousand people in the street singing songs and caring time.
		Mostly for our time.
		It's time we stopped.
		Hey, what's up, sound?
		What's going down?
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unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of interesting.
		Look who's going to be on the Sopranos.
		Frankie Valley.
		Frankie Valley is going to be on the Sopranos.
		He, of course, rode the charts with hits like Mo Sherry, Walk Like a Man, Ragdoll, Beam Song from Greece.
		A lot of talent there, and also a lot of natural talent because he grew up in Newark, New Jersey.
		And I spent several years in Newark myself.
		And I can tell you, Newark, I worked a long, long, many, many years ago for International Telephone and Telegraph, ITNT, in Nutley, New Jersey.
		And I lived in Newark.
		And, of course, that's generally where this is all set.
		And Newark, Newark is an interesting place.
		I mean, the guys are there.
		There's no question about it.
		And they're represented pretty well by the Sopranos.
		frankie valley frankie valley is going to Okay, back where were we?
unidentified		West of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I'm beyond with you.
		West of the Rockies, all right.
		No, in the story, I meant.
unidentified		Oh, I was just taking a nap.
		I woke up, but my eyes were open, but nothing else.
		I couldn't move anything else.
		But I could see the light under the door.
		The room was dark, and I was listening to the guy on the PA system.
		You know how they do in the military.
		They're always calling over the PA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the next thing you know, it's like a scene out of the exorcist.
		Now, I'm alone in the room.
		My roommate is still at work.
		And the bed starts to, well, the first thing that happens is that a jet, like you're right underneath a jet airplane engine, roaring in my head and vibrating, just tremendous noise.
		Just really frightening, frightening noise.
		And then the vibration starts to move.
		I didn't really feel it in my body, but my body was actually moving, or I don't know if it was my body, my physical body, but whatever.
		Moving like in the exorcist up and down in the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can tell you what was happening to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were having an OBE.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		And I didn't find out until I had heard about OBEs and had done a lot of reading about them, but I didn't know about that vibrational state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it, all right.
		You were having one.
		And if you, they tell me, because I can't muster up the oomph to do it that way.
unidentified		Oh, it's so scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's right.
		It is frightening.
		They tell me, though, that if you can conquer that fear and then just sort of go with the flow, that you're going to leave your body and have a wonderful experience.
unidentified		You know, in subsequent years, I've had three or four out-of-body experiences that were not like that one.
		Using different techniques.
		But this was, I felt as though someone were dragging me out of my body against my will is what I felt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, basically, that's what was happening.
unidentified		And so she comes in the room right after that, and I'm sitting in the bed in the dark, and that scared her.
		So she wanted to know what happened, and I told her.
		And then she goes, oh, my God.
		And she starts to tell me about what's been happening to her in the same room for the past few weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And I started saying, oh, you too.
unidentified		Because, you know, we hadn't said anything to each other because, you know, it just, all the stuff that was happening was so crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there was something in that room that wanted you out of your bodies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps it wanted possession.
unidentified		Like, for instance, you're sitting on a cot, you're reading a book, and all of a sudden you hear this bizarre music wafting in from the window on the wind.
		Not the kind of music that anybody was listening to.
		You know, it was mostly young people.
		Maybe 10 rooms in this whole barracks were occupied with just a rock and roll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
unidentified		But music like, I don't know, like some bad movies idea of religious harp music or kind of chanting or, you know, you know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I do, yes.
unidentified		Well, like monks or something like that or harp music or Middle Eastern kind of mood music.
		Yeah, and then all of a sudden you hear your name spoken.
		Yeah, just real clear as a bell.
		And you look around and you look out the window and there's nothing there but the sea and the sand, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was pretty interesting and that was.
		Very bizarre.
		All right.
unidentified		Anyway, it gets weirder than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go.
unidentified		So after we tell each other about these weird things that happened to us when we were alone in the room, this phenomenon began while we were together in the room, while we were talking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		The wall behind her cot, which is on the opposite side of the room from me, began to breathe with this male...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		Breathing walls are not good.
		like a sorry and the movies they have breathing i Well, no, they have breathing doors, you know, where the door kind of breathes in and out.
		You know, the wood is like putty or something.
unidentified		It was just frightening.
		And so, of course, you know, both of us just ran out of the room, you know, was screaming down the hallway.
		The master at arms comes to investigate.
		He goes in.
		He comes screaming out of the room.
		Now everybody's in it, and everybody tries to go in and see if they can hear the breathing wall.
		And it only happens when, like, there's one or two people, but not a group.
		And the next, I don't know, somebody bought a crucifix from their grandmother and hung it in there trying to get rid of the evil spirit.
		And the last I heard, they never allowed anybody to occupy that room at the end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, there's a pretty cool story.
		All right.
		Military story of a haunting.
		Interestingly, experienced by two master sergeant probably went out.
		Shaking his head, wondering why did we put women in.
		International line, you're on here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm calling about, you had a person that was on your program about two nights ago who was talking about people with six fingers.
		Do you remember about that?
		The giants that came and bred with humans?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		I had a question.
		Have you heard of any people with six fingers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, I have too.
unidentified		I knew someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you one of them?
unidentified		No.
		No.
		I'm not.
		I'm not.
		But I knew someone who knew a person.
		He's passed away since then.
		But I don't know about the person.
		I think the person with six fingers has as well.
		He said he was huge.
		And when I heard the story on the radio, I remembered the story that my friend had told me.
		He was a giant, and he had six fingers, and he had a very bad temper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hell of a fist.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six fingers.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		I wonder what you could do with a sixth finger that, you know, I sat looking at my hands after the show and wondered about, well, there's only one thumb, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why do we only have one finger?
unidentified		One thumb and five fingers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, there's four fingers and one thumb.
unidentified		I know, but a person with six fingers.
unidentified		Oh, where's the sixth finger?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the sixth finger would be, well, let's see, where would it best be?
		Well, it could be in between the thumb and the first finger there.
		There's plenty of space in there.
		Or it could be off the side of the fifth pinky, you know.
		I mean, that's harder.
		No, I'd rather go for the area between the thumb and first finger.
		I mean, there's a natural area there.
		What do you think?
unidentified		Yeah, I guess.
		I just wanted to comment on that.
		I just wanted to share that with your audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever wonder if we can genetically manipulate, we can do things like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, even add another arm, another finger?
unidentified		I was just curious about what, why, why are some people being born?
unidentified		I mean, is this a genetic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
		Probably a genetic thing.
		I appreciate the call.
		One day we're going to be able to design human beings.
		And so I personally feel that the design of the human back could stand some reinforcement.
		That the vertebrae is not sufficiently strong to support the average person.
		Hence, you have many people like myself with back trouble.
		So I'm going to lobby for redesign of the back area.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to talk about BPL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, broadband over power lines.
unidentified		You talked about the emergency services being knocked out if this came on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		During the Columbine shooting in Littleton, it took very little to knock out our emergency communications.
		You could not use cell phones.
		You could not use all the emergency communications were tied up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, 9-11, look at when the building went down, so all the cell phones were pooey.
unidentified		And we're talking before 9-11, and we're talking about a rather small-scale thing.
		I mean, ham operators were being used for health and welfare.
		I went over to the Red Cross, essentially, and spent several hours down there with my two-meter radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're doing all right.
unidentified		Because I had to.
		Now, you're talking about something that's going to wipe out all communications, and let alone ham, radio, or anything else, even though it will hurt it and hurt it badly.
		This scares me because we're in a war now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how smart is this at a moment when you're in a war, at a moment when you're going to need, obviously need, a really good chain of emergency communications?
		How smart is this?
		Well, no, it's not smart at all.
unidentified		It just doesn't make any sense to me.
		I'm surprised that some of the big broadcast companies aren't fighting this a little more because they own several AM stations in a market.
		It amazes me that they're not trying to fight this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing is insane to me.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And why not just look at the countries that have tried it and tossed it out on its ear?
unidentified		That is what blew my mind.
		I didn't hear the full interview last week, but I heard what you had to say today.
		Wait a minute, if they've thrown this out, why aren't people listening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's only one hope.
		And I've been a little rough on ham radio in that sense by saying that, you know, look, the public doesn't give enough of a damn about ham operators over that.
		But for their own reasons, and they've got plenty of them.
unidentified		Oh, sure, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They ought to be writing their congresspeople, their senators, and saying, look, at the very least, let's slow down and quit cheerleading from government for something before we've fully investigated it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if it's really going to hurt us more than it's going to help us.
unidentified		You know, I agree with you about ham radio art.
		I really do, that not enough people care.
		But if we really are in a war and if something happens, and God only knows what can happen, in this situation, many things could happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And not only can, but will.
unidentified		And you're going to need ham radio for part of the communication.
unidentified		As they say, it took the Columbine shootings to just disable all sorts of communications here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's just the most recent example, sir.
		Look, whenever there's a terrible hurricane or a terrible earthquake, any major disaster, all the news services always get the first word, and we'll quote, you know, amateur radio operators were heard to report or heard to say that blah, blah, blah is true or has happened.
		It's always the first communications out of anywhere.
		But this BPL, this broadband over the power lines, will not be stopped by ham radio, even though it's going to disable or destroy it, along with CB radio and all the other shortwave things that are in there.
		It's going to be an intrusion into your home, a potential terrible intrusion into your home.
		It's going to be the beginning of the real big brother.
		Just track with me here, internet in every single wall socket in your home.
		Think about what that means.
unidentified		Sheesh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah.
		I was talking to you earlier about Billy the Kid.
		You told me to hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did.
		Go ahead.
		Billy the Kid.
		What about Billy?
unidentified		Okay, well, there's supposed to be a sheriff of Debaca County.
unidentified		Can I say his name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not necessary.
unidentified		Okay, well, anyway, he's a sheriff of Debaca County, and he's getting a court order to exhume the grave.
		It's been on the news all over the country the last couple weeks.
		And I think the reason why they're doing it is because there's always been people that were close to Billy that claimed that that was not him, that Pat Garrett killed, that the whole thing was staged so that Calvary and everyone else would quit looking for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, really?
unidentified		Yeah, I wish you could get the sheriff as a guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the sheriff is asking for the body to be exhumed so they can straighten out whether that's really the body of Billy the Kid?
unidentified		Right, because apparently they're getting the DNA from his mother.
		Really?
		I think she was buried in Silver City, New Mexico.
		And then there's two guys that claim to be Billy the Kid in 1950 when they were like 92 years old and get ready to die.
		Right.
		Well, did you know about that, Brushy Bill Roberts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't follow the story, but that's fascinating.
unidentified		Okay, now, did you see the movie Young Guns and Young Guns 2?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I. Well, Young Guns I saw, yes.
unidentified		Okay, well, in Young Guns 2, it starts out in 1950, and this actually happened in 1950.
		This 92-year-old guy comes out of the desert, and he met an attorney, drives up in a 1949 Chevrolet, and he's getting ready to die, and he wants to go before the New Mexico governor to get the pardon that Governor Wallace promised Billy the Kidd in 1881 if he would turn state's evidence against the bad guys, you know, the Lincoln County War.
		And he had several older people that identified him, the real Billy the Kid, but he was not given his pardon.
		So anyway, I guess they're trying to settle this once and for all, but I wish you, and I think there's a lot of your listeners out there, would wish that you could get the sheriff of Debaca County as a guest on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Suggestion noted.
		Has anybody noticed that Westerns are coming back?
		Have you noticed what, in fact, with A Vengeance?
		All of a sudden, we're beginning to get Westerns again.
		I think it's great.
		Have you seen the one on HBO yet?
		They kind of hope to follow up the Sopranos with their new hit.
		Oh, gosh, what's the name of that?
		Ramona's going to come in rushing in here any moment now and tell me at any rate westerns are definitely Yell at again?
		I get a yell six seconds later, you know.
		Yes?
unidentified		Deadwood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deadwood, thank you.
		That's the HBO hit, Deadwood.
		And I've yet to decide about it.
		There was a fair amount of gratuitous violence in it.
		However, there was a fair amount of gratuitous violence in Deadwood.
		We have a unique history in America, don't we?
		With our Old West.
		There is, I suppose, the samurai warrior in Japan might be a parallel of sorts.
		But, I mean, it is certainly our American Wild West, and Deadwood was right in the middle of that, does have a very, very unique history.
		And, of course, I'm in the Old West right here, in gold mining country, actually.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello?
		Hello?
		This is Wayne.
		Hey, Wayne.
		Calling from East Texas, listening on San Antonio session.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		W-O-A-I.
unidentified		That's the one, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50,000-watt laser beam from San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's the one.
		Just a quick question and an idea.
		I've listened to the show a while now.
		I've been doing some surveillance work, and as you know, you listen to any kind of music, it doesn't matter what kind, it'll put you to sleep after a while.
		But you listen to talk radio, it keeps you awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keeps your brain going, yes.
unidentified		I've heard quite a few of your guests and callers talk about OBEs, but I've never heard anybody reference Jane Roberts, the Seth material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The what?
		The Seth material.
		I guess I'm not familiar with it.
		What is that?
unidentified		Well, she was a medium, I suppose, would be the way to explain it.
		Seth spoke through her in sessions, and her husband recorded everything.
		So I just, you know, I read quite a bit.
		I'm like, you know, if I get interested in something, I try to get as much as I can, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, channeled.
unidentified		Right, channeling, like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Channeling.
unidentified		She had quite a bit of input on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I have a comment about that.
		Channeling.
		I've always been a Missouri kind of person.
		I mean, show me.
		If you've got things flying across the room, baby, you've got something you can dig your hands into.
		If you've got magnetometer readings, you've got something you can dig your teeth into.
		If you've got a photograph of a ghost, you've got something you can examine.
		If you've got a ghost voice on tape, you've got something that you can think about, listen to, and decide to attach credibility to or not.
		But I must say, and my very own sister, Bless her Heart, who's down now in Brazil with John of God, has had the days when she channeled.
		And I have great doubts about channeling.
		One, because there's nothing you can lay your hands on.
		The person apparently goes into a trance and then begins speaking in the language or the whatever of whoever they're channeling.
		And I don't know.
		There's just too much wiggle room for my comfort.
		Just too much wiggle room.
		And there's nothing there that you can really lay your hands on or say, you know, I saw this with my own eyes.
		Or I've got photographic or audio evidence.
		These are things at least we can examine and make judgments about.
		But channeling, I don't know.
		I don't know.
		That doesn't mean it's not absolutely true and a valid phenomena.
		It just means that there's no way to really check it out.
		From the high desert in the middle of the night in the middle of open lines, this is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		What do Mel Gibson and the Coral Kid...
		What do Mel Gibson and the Coral Kid...
		What do you think of the world...
		take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Baby, we are on a ride.
		No question about that.
		All of us, and remember, the object is to go sliding in sideways, screeching and screaming and protesting and proclaiming it was a hell of a ride.
		I refer to the grave, of course.
		Good evening, Z-Way Talk Radio.
		means you're one half of it will get back to you in a moment Directly to the telephones.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Hello, that's all.
		My name is Aaron.
		I'm a police officer in Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aaron!
		And a police officer to boot, huh?
		Yeah.
		How's everything in Ohio?
unidentified		Good so far, but I got a ghost story for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		About 4 o'clock in the morning one night, I got a call where there was an active burglary.
		And on my way there, I also hear that the resident has shot some shots into the basement because the person was trying to knock.
		The basement door is in their bedroom and was awoken by some pounding and somebody trying to get into their bedroom.
		And so when I get there, they say that they hear somebody run out the door.
		Well, the door never opened at all.
		And so I start searching around the house.
		There's no signs of forced entry, no signs on the doors, no broken windows.
		Go inside.
		The resident's got his gun still pointed towards the basement door.
		He's afraid something's going to come running out of there.
		And my backup arrives, and we start searching the house, go downstairs, and there's a blood pile on the basement floor.
		And when we collect it and send it off to the crime lab, the DNA comes back, and they cannot identify the DNA at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They couldn't identify the DNA.
		Now you've got my attention, my friend.
		You've got my attention.
		They couldn't identify the DNA.
		You mean even as human or animal or anything?
unidentified		No, it was just a blood pile.
		Maybe about four inches long, five inches wide.
		Just piled up, probably about an inch thick.
		And they could not identify it as human blood, animal blood, anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		but they were sure it was blood.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's been done with these samples?
unidentified		That I don't know.
		But the resident swears up and down that somebody was in their house.
		He went down and checked all the doors.
		Everything was locked, bolted.
		And, you know, criminals usually don't lock the door on their way back out.
		So there was no sign of anyone ever being in there.
		Nothing was gone.
		Nothing like that.
		They have dogs, and the dogs were quivering in a corner, just freaked out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's some story.
		I sure would like to get my hands or have a further look into what would be blood but not animal or human.
		I mean, that really is intriguing.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Well, what's really intriguing is there's no other sign other than that right there that there was anything in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's quite a large sign that something was there, that much blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how much blood would you have estimated that to be?
unidentified		Well, like I said, it was about four inches long and about five inches wide and about an inch thick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a bit of blood.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
unidentified		But, like, there's no way that anybody could have got in or out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I would ask.
		If you could go down to the department, maybe the evidence room, whatever, I mean, surely somebody kept a little bit of such an interesting sample, you would think, you would hope.
		And could you find out for me if in fact they did?
		And if in fact they did, could you email me or get hold of me somehow?
unidentified		I could try, but I personally can't get out.
unidentified		The only person I can access that are the higher-ups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		It's always the higher-ups.
		Well, do your best.
		If you would, please.
		I mean, that's totally fascinating.
		And I sure would like to have a scientist take a look at some of that blood if they've got any left.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		thanks for the story and i'll look forward to And I would look forward to the follow-up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Blood, that much blood, but not animal, nor is it human.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that leave?
		If it's not animal, it's not human.
		What does that leave?
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
		Hi.
		I was calling you about your BPL antenna, and I have some good advice for everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, it's not my BPL antenna.
unidentified		BPL antenna.
unidentified		Yeah, what you've been talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		But anyway, I got a hold of all our congressmen senators, and then everybody can call their federal information number.
unidentified		They can get the numbers to the White House, and they need to bombard the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no other way.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what they're getting ready to do is just, it's beyond all reason and belief.
unidentified		Well, I sent a fax to GW myself, and I sent the article to the point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		George W. Bush.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know George Bush?
unidentified		We're related.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a relation of George.
unidentified		But anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you mention something about the gas prices?
unidentified		Yeah, I already did.
		Anyway, I explained to him about what it would do.
		I said, I don't think that they have told you everything.
		And so I explained it to him and just left it at that.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, a big thank you.
unidentified		Do you think that everybody can do this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but not everybody's related to the president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that?
unidentified		Well, we're all related to each other.
unidentified		We're all Abraham's kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but you're closer.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But anyway, the thing is that you can call your federal information number.
		You can get his fax number right to the Oval Office.
		He reads all his faxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does he?
unidentified		Yeah, he does.
unidentified		So anyway, that's a good thing for you to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's hard to believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I can barely read all my email, and I'm just a talk show host.
unidentified		Well, anyway, that's just the idea I have.
unidentified		I mean, you know, he likes to hear from the people, so that's a good thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, hang in there, and thank you a million.
		The BPL issue is a gigantic issue.
		And so any help from any of you that we can solicit, and at this point, you know, we're asking, I think the right thing to do is to ask that, look, please stop the headlong rush into something before we understand the consequences.
		When you're tampering with something as precious as the nation's frequencies, our air, and that is precious.
		It really still is extremely precious from a national security point of view and a lot of points of view.
		Stop and find out if you're about to make a big mistake.
		And it won't hurt to take a little extra time to examine if perhaps the Japanese, who are not exactly technological slouches, didn't kick this out of their country because they just felt like it.
		They had a very good, sound technological reason to boot it out.
		We should look at that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, this is Chuck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is Art.
unidentified		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Chuck?
unidentified		I'm pretty good.
		I'm in Akron, Iowa.
		Okay.
		And I grew up in Southern California, a little town called Lamita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I was in about the fourth or fifth grade.
		And it was about October.
		We had a new student come in.
		Right away, the other kids didn't like her.
		And we were out at recess, and a bunch of kids, mostly boys, were even running up and hitting her.
		Well, I couldn't go for that.
		I got right in front of him.
		I was kind of a quiet kid, you know, so I got, anyway, I got right in front of him, and I stopped him.
		I told him, anybody who tries to hurt her, it's going to have to answer to me.
		Now, the problem was that she's just a little bit different.
		She had six fingers on her both hands and both feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six fingers, yeah.
unidentified		And one of the teachers...
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was the sixth finger?
		We were discussing that a little while ago about where a sixth finger would be in the scheme of your hand.
		Where would it be?
unidentified		It was where your little finger is.
		It was just after that.
		Okay.
		All right.
		And anyway, I got called into the office, actually escorted into the office by the teacher who was on duty, and the principal started to yell at me.
		And I said, wait a minute.
		You don't have all the facts.
		I said, The boys were attacking the girl and I stopped him.
		And I said, If I have to get out, you know, attack you to stop hurting the girl, I will do that too.
		And the principal just smiled at me, says, Good.
		I'm hoping somebody would step forward to help this girl out because she is different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you did that.
		I don't see what the big deal is anyway.
		So what if somebody, you know, but kids, I guess, are really mean, aren't they?
		But basically, so what?
		If somebody has six fingers.
		So what?
unidentified		It's just, are we really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had an email yesterday that I just is like, oh, man.
		Stone Age people.
		Basically, this email said, you know, kill all the blacks, kill all the Jews.
		Hey, you know what's the right thing to do.
		This kind of email.
		And when I see something like that, I wonder how far have we really come very far?
		I mean, how many of these people are there?
		We have the Nazis, right?
		And do you ever wonder, could that happen again?
		Well, maybe it could, because we have people who will discriminate against other people to the point of final solutions because they're different in some way, either religiously or physically or whatever, some difference.
		And so if you're not like every other human with the five digits upon each hand, well, then you're in for getting beatings or whatever.
		And if that's still really true, then how far have we come?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to you, a good morning.
unidentified		You're sounding good.
		Thank you.
		And here in New Mexico, KKOB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Pretty strong signal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty strong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		770, 50,000 watts, the equivalent of WABC Back East and gigantic radio stations.
unidentified		Well, it may be a blowtorch, but there's always that music, you know, in the background.
		And it fades in and out a little bit.
		Is it open topic tonight?
		It is.
		You know, I wanted to find out the name of the man that you interviewed on that BPL.
		Was it Jim Haney?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you spell that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe it's H-A-N-I-E, I believe.
unidentified		Well, that was a really good interview, and pretty scary, too.
		Yes.
		Yeah, I mean, Japan and five other countries, come on, you know, wake up, right?
		Well, Washington, D.C. Yes, wake up indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm sure that a lot of corporate interests, you know, power companies think this is a way to fast money or our government thinks it's a way to fast mass communications.
		But look here, there are possible consequences to what they're about to do.
		They involve our national security in a moment when we are at war.
		Let's slow up a little.
unidentified		Yeah, and speaking of that, the reason why I call, and for me, I don't listen to shortwave or computer or TV or computer, and I just have a shortwave.
		So I was listening to a talk show the other day, and a caller noted that there were 911 days from 9-11, 2001 leading up to 3-11 in 2004.
		Did you hear about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I've heard it mentioned.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Now, do you think there's some significance to that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		I mean, humans give significance to numbers.
		Whether numbers on their own have significance or not, I haven't made up my mind about that one.
		But, you know, we celebrate anniversaries, and we do that in some cases by having violence and killing people on anniversaries of certain things.
		So, yeah, we attach importance to numbers.
unidentified		Well, here, I want to say, I want to continue this.
		Knowing the significance given to the numbers 6, 11, and 13, or multiples thereof, by the occultic controllers, you know, who are trying to phase in this new world order, I continued counting the days leading up to 6, 6, 2004.
		And guess how many days there are to that day?
		999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Is that a coincidence or what?
unidentified		Well, I mean, what would you call that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possibly a coincidence, but probably not.
		You know, I'll say this to you.
		You're a shortwave listener, right?
		there will try and imagine if you were trying to listen to shortwave and all you could hear is Yeah, well, that's what BPL is about to bring us, my dear.
		And so the shortwave broadcasters ought to be real concerned, too.
		You're on the Air Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Hi.
		Where are you, please?
		Hello?
		Hello, Ark?
		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Theo calling from Akron, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Theo.
unidentified		Okay, what I wanted to talk about is I was a young soldier going to Germany in 1977.
unidentified		And instead of doing three years, I decided to do two years and I brought my wife over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I couldn't find an apartment.
		So somebody told me, said, go out to this castle.
		So I went out to the castle.
		They had a nice room and a little small apartment there.
		And so everything was, and I brought my wife over.
		Everything was nice.
		And for about five to six months, then we had problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of problems?
unidentified		Okay, the problems were my uniform sometimes would be moved from where I put them to another place.
		I shine my boots every night.
		And when I wake up in the mornings, they're wet like they've been through the fog and mud and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
unidentified		And one day, I found an iron cross sitting on the table right next to where my bed was.
		And I was saying, what in the world is going on?
		You know.
		And then things started flying around.
		And my wife said she was scared to stay there doing the chicken.
		So, you also saw things flying through the air?
		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I find that very impressive.
		I don't know why.
		It's just there's something about things flying through, things don't do that, period.
unidentified		And then one day we were at home, and calcum powder, we were sitting on the bed talking, and calcum powder is a powder, started flying through the air.
		But this is the one thing that got us, that made us move our, is I went down to the to the local guest house to pick up some good German beer.
		Yes.
		And I took my time.
		I came back and my wife was laying on the bed.
		She was crying.
		Oh, just yelling, crying.
		And I said, what's wrong, baby, you know?
		And she said, something is making love to me, and it hurts.
		Something is making love to me, and it hurts having sex with me.
		So I grabbed her and I put my arms around her and I held her.
		And eventually it went away.
		But she was saying that it did penetrate and make love to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I, I, okay.
		Look, I'll tell you what.
		You know, it's hard.
		I guess it's hard to talk about because it's radio, right?
		We're doing a radio program.
		But with last night's guest, who was a remote viewer and countless remote viewers before him and countless others who have talked about holdergeist ghost activity and possession weaving its way through all of this and at a level that we really can't talk about on the air.
		There really is an awful lot of sexual content to this whole thing.
		I mean, more than I ever imagined when I first began investigating the paranormal.
		I'm coming to realize that there really is a gigantic sexual aspect to it.
		From out-of-body experiences to remote viewing, in which those who practice constantly are reporting sexual liaisons with partners with perhaps who they know or in many cases who they don't know, as in the case of the phone call you just heard.
		In other words, there really is an awful lot more sex involved in all of this than I had ever realized.
		And I think that is worth noting and maybe calling attention to.
		It's just one of those things that because of, you know, because it's radio, it's kind of hard to talk about without it sounding somewhat gratuitous.
		But it's not gratuitous.
		I'm telling you that wrapped in the paranormal, I'm beginning to get more and more reports of sexual contact.
		So I guess we need to sort of bridge the gap a little, and even if it sounds a little gratuitous, and I don't know how it cannot explore the whole thing and find out what really is going on here, why is there such a sexual content to paranormal occurrences?
		Is it because it's such a powerful, basic human drive?
		I guess that might be it.
		It's certainly prevalent on this side, so why not the other side as well?
		from the high desert in the middle of the night this is coast to coast here the the I can't survive, can't stay alive without your love.
unidentified		Oh baby, don't hold me this way Oh baby,
		don't hold me this way Oh
		baby, don't hold me this way Now that's the kind of music you have, you want to have drifting through your window.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Numbers, that's always been very interesting.
		There are many, many people across the internet, across the world who follow the significance of numbers, and I've not yet made up my mind whether they actually have independent significance or whether we simply attach significance to them.
		either way i suppose that makes them important you Once again, a leap into the gene pool.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		I'm fine.
unidentified		This is Marty from Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marty.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Marty.
unidentified		I'm calling about the six-finger people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		We used to have a piano on the porch when I was young, and it was a screened-in porch.
		And every moment I could be out there, I was out there banging on that piano.
		And one day I saw a lady coming down the street adjacent to us, and she was on foot walking.
		She was wearing a dress, kind of like Donna Reed, you know, with the belt and everything.
		And she was at a distance, so I really didn't pay any attention.
		But within a few minutes, she was at our door.
		And we lived in a, it had a fence around a property.
		She had come through the fence and was standing at the screen door looking at me.
		And then I noticed her, and I stopped, of course, suddenly stopped playing the piano, and she said, may I come in?
		And I said, yes.
		And she came in.
		She came over to the piano and sat down beside me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she knocked out some jazz like a five-fingered person could never do, right?
		Yeah, well, I guess a six-finger had come in handy for that.
		I'm ruining your story.
		I mean, did she really knock out quite a tune there?
unidentified		Well, you know, she sat down and she started talking to me, and I could not take my eyes off her.
		She was so beautiful.
		I mean, she was just, I mean, her skin was so perfect.
		She was just so beautiful.
		And then she asked me, you know, how long I'd had lessons or what I, of course, I said, I'm just playing, you know, pretending.
		And she said, well, would you like for me to teach you something?
		And I said, sure, I would love that.
		And she played something that was so, you know, it sounded like, you know, Bach or something to me at that time.
		I have no idea what it was.
		But that's when I noticed that she had an extra finger on each hand.
		Both hands.
		Not just one, like it was some accident, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once again, was this sixth finger a digit that began after the little finger?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And they looked natural, unless you were just looking, because her fingers were so elegantly long and thin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Made for a piano.
unidentified		Yes.
		And she asked me if she could teach me something a little easier.
		What did I know the words to that she could play for me?
		And I told her somewhere over the rainbow.
		And so she taught me how to play that song with just in a few minutes.
		And then she started, I asked her about her fingers.
		Of course, being 10 years old, you think you can ask people anything.
		And she told me that she was supposed to be a twin and that she had extra fingers and extra toes and that she had two of everything else.
		Wow.
		And I, of course, my eyes went right to her chest.
		Trying to see what extra stuff.
		My mustard red mine would have under my arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we shouldn't laugh at that.
unidentified		You know, I mean, it was just an extraordinary experience.
		I asked her when it was over, you know, and she was getting up to go.
		And, too, she just smelled so good.
		Everything about her was so good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twice as nice.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, I've got to run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for that story.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would think, though, that a person with six fingers would absolutely have an advantage on a piano, wouldn't they?
		They'd knock out a tune that nobody else could quite accomplish.
		If it was a long and slender finger.
		Well, anyway, we will soon be doing that.
		All of humanity, I suppose, will have the opportunity to make custom babies.
		Now, would you have a custom baby?
		And if you did, in what way would you design your baby to be different?
		On one episode of Married My Children.
		Al once said that a man would need an extra arm, but that would be for dancing.
		International line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, hi, my name is John.
		Hi, John.
		I live in Canada in a city just outside of Toronto called Pickering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pickering, Canada.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		We have a nuclear power plant here in Pickering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Pickering?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you taken the stroll through the Fast Young Lady on a Bicycle?
unidentified		Have we?
unidentified		Oh, no, on the website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you need to do that before it's done.
unidentified		That's something I'm very interested in doing, actually.
		Yes.
		But I haven't seen too many strange things in my life.
		However, the one strange thing I believe I've seen has to do with this power plant.
		It took place maybe around 10 years ago, and I was coming back from downtown Toronto into my small town, and I'm driving on the highway, and I notice a small cloud just over the power plant.
		And this is just at dawn.
		There's no other clouds in the sky.
		It's not raining or anything.
		And there's a lightning bolt starting just above the cloud and ending just below it.
		Oh, no kidding.
		And it keeps on repeating like that.
		And it didn't look like your regular lightning either.
		It was just, it was a small little bolt going through the small little cloud over and over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty bizarre.
unidentified		Yeah, and not only that, there was no thunder.
		I mean, and I wasn't the only one in the car that saw this.
		You know, I mean, it was one of the strangest things I've ever seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine what would account for that.
unidentified		Neither could I. Neither could I. But I'm assuming it must have had something to do with this power plant.
		And over the years, the power plant's been having some problems.
		I mean, they've been shutting down generators left, right, and center on this place.
		So I don't know.
		I just thought I'd call and share that with you to see if anybody had any ideas what might cause that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm pleased you did.
		I appreciate the call.
		And again, while it's up there, I'm telling you, this is something you don't want to miss.
		This will go down as this tour that you will take on CoastToCoastDam.com website will go down as one of the major impressions of your life.
		So you don't want to let that go.
		And it's probably going to be gone tomorrow.
		But I've had it up for you over the weekend.
		It's a young lady who takes a bike tour through Chernobyl.
		And it's so profound.
		I lived at Blue Ridge Summit, Pennsylvania, when Three Mile Island happened.
		And I well remember the media coverage because I was glued to my television and my radio when that occurred.
		I intensely remember the media coverage.
		And what I remember most about it was they kept saying, do not be concerned.
		Do not worry.
		Everything is under control.
		Well, nothing was under control.
		And they had a hydrogen bubble that had formed.
		The whole thing was very close to going up.
		But they kept telling us, don't worry about a thing.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
		Hi.
		This is Jerry, and I'm calling from Olympia, and we listen to KBI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KBI in Seattle, yes, ma'am.
unidentified		I was talking about Chernobyl.
		This made me think of Joanna Macy.
		Are you familiar with her work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am not.
unidentified		She's a deep ecologist, lives there in Berkeley, has written many books, was a professor there in one of the universities.
		And she and her husband have been going back and forth to Chernobyl for many years.
		Her husband is a psychologist, and they have gone there to help the people grieve and talk out their deep, deep, terrible trauma.
		She is just an amazing expert on Chernobyl.
		It would be really interesting for you to have her on your program sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put me in contact.
unidentified		Okay, I will.
		I do know some people.
		She is from the San Francisco area and travels all over the world, but she and her husband have taken many groups to Chernobyl and work with the sorrow of the people of Chernobyl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please then put me in contact.
		I want to interview this young lady who does the fast bike rides through Chernobyl and to Paul's Hardgrass.
		And as that, I'd like to interview your friend.
unidentified		Yeah, she has such experience over all these years with them.
		But one of the things that we need to be reminded of is, and I think of it here in the Northwest, we love our forests.
		Those people are forest people.
		And, you know, the elms, the elms of Russia, and they can never go into their forests again.
		One of the things that Joanna Macy does is she plays, and she will, and you will love this, she plays a very simple song by, I think the young woman is a Latvian, and it's haunting.
		And she calls it the Elm Dance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that Elm Dance ought to be put in the website of Elena.
		That would be something to do, I suppose, although that would cost additional bandwidth.
		But it is so profound.
		What has happened to that portion of the Ukraine is just dead to us for the next 80,000 years, really.
		85,000 years.
		Longer than we can imagine, longer than we have history.
		Longer than you just can't contemplate those kinds of time.
		But those are the things we are now capable of doing, rendering the Earth in large proportion totally unusable.
		Dead zones.
		True.
		Dead zones.
		You've really got to go through that website before it's gone.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am well, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you.
unidentified		Not too bad.
		I'm calling regarding your topic earlier.
		People were speaking about weird things happening while you're sleeping, sexual molestation type things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was noting the seemingly increasing sexual content in these kinds of stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, for the past few months, about three times a week, I have this entity type thing.
		It seems like entering my room and doing weird things while I'm sleeping.
		What I'll do is on an average night, when these nights happen, I go to bed while I'm sleeping.
		I seem that I wake up and there's this, it seems like old woman with weird teeth and this weird hat and long strangly hair standing over me, messing up the sheets on my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't be Anne Margaret.
		But instead, you describe this.
		All right.
unidentified		The thing is, the sheets are being messed up.
		And I am alert.
		I can move.
		I could get up and walk away.
		But I just stand there and stare, or lay there staring.
		The thing is, I wake up in the morning, and I know this is true, because what I do is I go to bed, I lay down on my back, I fall asleep, I wake up, the sheets aren't even on the bed anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe it?
		Yeah, I do.
		You've had a rough go of it.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Like, that's the weird thing.
		I sleep.
		When I go to bed, I lay there.
		This thing comes into my room, takes the sheets, puts them in a ball, puts them on the end of the bed, you know, moves my pillow around.
		Put it this way, two days ago, I woke up, believe it or not.
		I woke up, I went to bed around midnight.
		I woke up at 7.30.
		The alarm didn't even go off.
		Somebody changed the alarm.
		I set it for 7.30 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I told my boss that a few times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it works maybe twice.
unidentified		It's true.
		I set it for 7.30 a.m., and it was set 7.30 p.m.
		To top it all off, the sheets weren't on top of me.
		They were at the end of the bed, and there was a pillow between my legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did that happen?
		Well, I don't know.
		I don't know.
unidentified		That's my irrefutable proof that this thing is standing there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure it's irrefutable, and it's interesting.
unidentified		And the weird thing is my wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, your wife's up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's upset.
unidentified		Well, no, she's fine.
		The thing is, she says you're crazy.
		You keep taking the sheets off the bed when you're sleeping.
		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your wife is fine with all this?
unidentified		Yeah, well, she says she goes to sleep and she wakes up and she yells at me or elbow me in the middle of the night, you know, saying, You're taking the sheets.
		Well, it ain't me, it's the ghost hitting me, not you.
		This is the thing.
		She's crazy.
		I honestly think there's something wrong here.
		It happens three times a week.
		I've talked to my doctor.
		My doctor says it's REM.
		He goes, this is happening during REM, an eye movement, something like that.
		He's wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's wrong.
unidentified		I'm like, he's wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody's wrong.
unidentified		I'm not sleeping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		When I lay on my back, I'm laying there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm.
unidentified		You don't wake up in a different position.
		You go to bed.
		I mean, come on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to have to do something about this.
unidentified		I know.
		I'm going to set up a video camera.
		Yes.
		I'm going to take this whole thing, and I'm going to send it to you.
		I'm going to put this on the website, and we're going to solve everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look for it.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of an old hag, huh?
		She sounds really determined, too.
		The part I don't get is that his wife's okay with all this.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hey, Big Art.
		Yeah, maybe the guy ought to mount one of those bug zappers so he can keep the entities cornered, riled away from his...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, do you know that I once had a phone call?
unidentified		Oh, I know the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's it.
unidentified		That's why I bought one.
unidentified		I got them all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this guy, in order to trap an entity, used four of these bug zappers in sort of a box.
unidentified		Supposedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's how the story went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, anything's worth that.
unidentified		You know, I wouldn't want to be in this guy's shoes that's got the ball of sheaths all over the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The old lady, yeah, the whole thing.
unidentified		That's frustrating, yeah.
unidentified		Try a bug zapper, you know, get one of those that you have a setting for rodents and a setting for insects and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which would you set it to?
unidentified		Well, if you've got spiders in the house, put it on insects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, is she more like a rodent or an insect?
unidentified		Hey, talk about synchronicity.
		Richard Hoagland was talking about Lear's statement saying he wasn't totally, oh God, what was the term he used?
		Anyway, he wasn't totally into what Lear said about the square cube on the moon, but he said something a moment or two later about we're behind the eight ball.
		On the TV, I got a bike show on.
		There's a bike they showed just then that says behind the eight ball in the tank.
		That was the title of the bike.
		That tripped me out.
		But anyway...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Synchronicity, I suppose.
unidentified		It's just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know...
		I hadn't talked to Richard.
		I just went on the air and I said, you know, I'm sorry, the new pictures that seem to contain implements or this or that, you know, they name it like NASA names are rocks.
		That I didn't necessarily see the same thing that Richard's seeing.
		I see rocks.
		Lots and lots of rocks.
		But that's really all I see, to be honest with you.
		And since then, I haven't heard from Richard.
		He's probably upset.
		But what to do.
		That's what I see.
		West of the Rockies, you're all.
unidentified		Do the wild thing at 775-727-1295.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Marty, we don't allow last names on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's start again, and your name will just be Marty, okay?
unidentified		Okay, that's something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		All right, this is Marty from the Rocky Mountains.
		Right.
		And you've been doing a lot of talk about this spiritual stuff going on at night.
		People say they've had experiences with sexual kind of things, that sort of thing.
		And you've also talked about shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but wait, wait, have you had some sort of paranormal, sexual kind of thing?
unidentified		Well, no, but it kind of relates to that.
		Well, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on here, but I one night I have a hard time falling asleep.
		You know, I'm a security guard at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have the same problem.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it's between that, you know, I'm sitting there laying in bed staring at the ceiling for like a couple hours.
		Somewhere in between there, I kind of drift off, but not really.
		I'm still pretty conscious.
		And I look up and there's these figures at the end of my bed, and three of them.
		And I've heard you have shows on this stuff.
		I haven't heard that yet, but I've read it on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have a lot of time to the top of the hour here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of creatures Oh.
unidentified		And just an absence of energy sitting there staring at me.
unidentified		And they have been paralyzed, like that paralysis or whatever they call that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sleep paralysis.
unidentified		Sleep paralysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're paralyzed, and here the little creatures are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And very quickly, what happened?
unidentified		Okay, and they're just sitting there, and I keep trying to get up, and I'm like getting up out of bed to switch the lights on, and then I get to shoot back into my body again, try to do that again, and it happens like maybe a dozen times or so, and then I just fade off into sleep and wake up in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, right.
		Listen, we've got to cut it off there.
		The little people have made their visit.
		Anybody else have that one, particularly during sleep paralysis?
unidentified		It don't come easy.
		You know it don't come easy.
		It don't come easy.
		You know it don't come easy.
		I should pay you dues if you want to sing the blues.
		And you know it don't come easy.
		Stop this feeling deep inside of me.
		Girl, you just don't realize what you do to me.
		When you hold me in your arms so tight, let me know everything's alright.
		I'm high on believing that you're in love with me.
		It's as sweet as candy.
		It stays in some amount of mine.
		Girl, you got me thirsty for another cup of wine.
		Got a bug from you, girl.
		But I don't need a cure.
		I just stay up at ten.
		If I can't be so.
		I'll look good, honey.
		When we're all alone.
		Keep it up, girl.
		Yeah, you turn me on.
		I'm...
		I'm...
		I'm tired of feeling it.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, isn't this interesting?
		You always learn something from Open Line Nights.
		You always learn something that you ought to know.
		And tonight's lesson would appear to be that I guess we should do a show or focus in on the sexual aspects of the paranormal.
		And I'm not sure how we do that on radio without appearing to be gratuitous, but evidently, I mean, very evidently, according to the fast blasts I'm getting, the emails I'm getting, and all of you on the phone, there is a definite strong sexual content in the paranormal.
		People are, of course, probably not going to want to talk about it, but enough of them are beginning to now that it's obvious there is a big component here.
		And I'm not sure how we go after this without appearing gratuitous and getting into areas we maybe ought not get into.
		But on the other hand, if this is real, then we have very little choice.
		will have to pursue it in some manner.
		Even the researchers, the serious scientists that you talk to in the paranormal area, all light up very temporarily when you mention or ask about the sexual aspect of the paranormal, but they're loath to discuss it for obvious reasons.
		It's just that, gee, this does seem to be a big aspect of it, doesn't it?
		And for obvious reasons, it hasn't been publicly discussed a great deal, but maybe it's more than we thought it was, which means there is some sort of duty to explore in that area, I guess, ever so carefully.
		First time caller line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Yes, I have a story for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can barely hear you, so you're going to have to speak up good and loud.
		Put those lips right on the phone and make believe you're...
		Mwah!
		Well, still not great, but go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I live in an apartment that's probably about 40 years old, and I've seen shadow people here several times.
		And I live here alone, and I woke up one morning and I found my front door wide open.
		And this can only be opened from the inside.
		So do you think that's maybe the shadow people saying they're here?
		Or what do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, okay.
		I would have no idea.
		The door could only be opened from the inside, but it's always possible that it simply swung open, that you didn't have it all the way closed.
		I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Walter called from Mountain Rainier, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Walter.
unidentified		But I've had an interesting experience with sleep paralysis, and I got over it in one time.
		But first, I want to ask you a short question about Fatima, if that's okay.
		I'd like to ask you, why you guys don't use mass consciousness to ask Mary to reappear again and tell us what we're supposed to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that begs the entire question of using mass consciousness.
		And that's a great, big, giant field to talk about.
		And I'm not prepared to talk about it.
		Nor am I prepared to talk about what little I do know of the third secret.
		I was told some things by Father Martin when he was alive.
		I did a lot of communicating with him off as well as on the air.
		And there were some amazing, some amazing, really amazing things.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the or hi.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yeah, this is Chuck.
		I was talking with you earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chuck?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chuck, you're only allowed to call once, buddy.
unidentified		Well, I got lightning here and I got cut off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lightning?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, okay.
unidentified		So that's why I called back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was about Lisa with the six fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		Anyway, I met her parents after school, and they said, thank you for helping her.
		Okay, school year.
		And anyway, after the school year was over with, her and her father came over and said, Well, we're going home now.
		And I says, Well, where are you going?
		He says, Well, we're going to the stars.
		And he pointed out and he says, After you turn 61, get on some radio program and say if you'd like to see us again or not.
		And I says, Well, okay, I'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you want to see them?
unidentified		What are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you want to see him?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
		Well, you've said it.
		So they were from the stars.
		Well, not all six-fingered people are from the stars.
		I guess quite a few of them are right here on Earth, born on Earth human beings, simply with six-fingers.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hello, Art.
		Hi.
		Yeah, this is Dennis.
		I'm calling from Phoenix to 550 KFYI.
		Of course.
		I'm calling about something that I've been kind of putting together for a long time.
		First of all, I'm a longtime listener.
		I've learned a heck of a lot from your show and your guests.
		So have I. And, yeah, I've noticed that over the years.
		You're getting pretty savvy in a lot of stuff.
		But I've been studying comparative religion and comparative mythology.
		And I've got a major interest in, I guess, what you could call ancient prehistory.
		And specifically tonight, I've been thinking about our, I'd like to talk about how the ancients possibly moved stones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And not just moved stones, but even as in building the pyramid, as in that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Well, not just that, but they talk about the mana aircraft.
unidentified		There's an example that John Mitchell in his book, A New View Over Atlantis, talks about sacred engineering of the ancients.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's cut to the chase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you think that those large stones were moved?
unidentified		I think that they had a method, possibly sound or whatever.
		There's a myth of an Irish druid who had a flying machine.
		He had a battle with another druid.
		It crashed.
		And even yourself, you interviewed one night a fellow from Eastern Canada, I believe, who was building a stone flying saucer that he said he was getting that he had gotten the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And he was telling how it was put together and held together, and the information was given to him from somebody from some other planet or actually, I think, another dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I think it's fair to say that someone at some time did have knowledge that has either been lost or has all this time been hidden away from the rest of us.
		That things were done that were literally impossible.
		I mean, simply impossible.
		The Coral Castle in Florida is a very good example of that in more modern times.
		That occasionally this power is stumbled upon, perhaps, by somebody, like the man who built the Coral Castle.
		And that might not surprise, or perhaps should not surprise us, that there were things that once were and were quite powerful and have been forgotten or hidden away from us.
		Certainly.
		Hi there, you're on the air, Coast of Coast A.M. with the art bell.
		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
		You're on the air.
		This is your moment.
unidentified		Who or what runs the universe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who or what?
unidentified		Is there a plan behind the daisy, the hummingbird, the whale of the world?
		Who created the eye in primeval darkness?
		I was listening on the phone.
		I've been on the phone since the last three, four calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who are you talking to when I picked up the line here?
unidentified		What do you mean, right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm calling our bell right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		When I picked up the line, you were chattering away to somebody, not me.
		Who was that?
unidentified		What do you mean, you've been on the line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
unidentified		What you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But when I picked up the phone just now and said, hey, you're on the air, you were chattering away to somebody at that moment.
unidentified		No, I was.
		Because I've been on the phone with your last three, four calls.
		I don't know if you could hear me, but I was talking anyway, and I thought they could hear me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		So you thought you were on the air the whole time.
		I see.
unidentified		No, no, I knew I wasn't on.
unidentified		I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then you were just rehearsing then.
unidentified		I know, you're putting me on the spot here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were talking to yourself.
		Fine, sir.
		Go ahead.
		What is it you want to say?
unidentified		Well, I believe I saw Virgin Mary.
		I believe I saw a ghost in 1977 around that time.
		I believe I saw my mother's ghost, and she's still alive.
		My father died in 98.
		I believe I heard his whisper a week after he died.
		And I was in a comat post state of mind for a little while one time, and I believe I've seen a black-haired Jesus Christ appeared in a coma to me.
		Lots of your stories, I've been talking for a long time, too bad I didn't all record.
		I thought it came out for what they say, that you have it all on tape or something, you could tell me what I was talking about so I wouldn't miss anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I got to skew it.
		I appreciate the attempt and all the things that you apparently have seen and even all the things we didn't get to hear about because you were doing them four to five minutes before I arrived on the line.
		But you've apparently seen quite a lot, and who are we to say that you did not?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hey.
		This is Ricky Collin from the Palace Verdes Peninsula.
		Hello, Ricky.
		Topically, I'm cracking up listening to the last few callers, but this is a Contrail Chemtrail report.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And it goes back to George's program of Friday night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm afraid I didn't hear that.
unidentified		It was his last couple callers.
unidentified		One of the last ones was an older gentleman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He was a pilot trainer.
unidentified		And he gave George some information that was unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Well, I wrote it down.
		Just give me the basics.
		Check out a gentleman named WillThomas.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've interviewed Will.
unidentified		I didn't hear that.
		The caller prior to this guy was a pilot that flew out of Edwards.
		And he said that he flies over Catalina.
		This is the South Bay, south of Los Angeles Airport.
		And he participates in distributing chemicals.
		Now, this afternoon, I went for a walk down to the store, a quarter of a mile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did George suggest that this man, who was admitting that he makes chemtrails, do?
unidentified		Aluminum?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I understand what chemtrails are purportedly made of.
		I'm asking what George suggested the man do.
		He was admitting that he was doing this, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did George suggest he do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get in contact with him or what?
unidentified		He did say that very briefly, but he let this guy keep talking.
unidentified		My thought was that this guy was BSing him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could be.
		I mean, how do you ever know somebody reports something like that, and how can you ever know if they're telling the truth or not?
		All you can do is try and follow up in some way.
		But if you have what sounds like a credible report of somebody admitting they're doing something like this, then obviously you want to take a couple of steps to try and find out if it's bull or if there's something really behind it.
		And if there is, you definitely want to follow up on a call like that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear an echo, or it's you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hello, Lord.
unidentified		I didn't expect to get through so quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why we've, you know, we do it this way, sir, so that you can get through this quick.
unidentified		Well, this is hard for me to say, but you brought up something tonight about ghosts and sex, and it really happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently so.
		Apparently a lot more than people are willing to talk about or admit.
		And if it's that big a component, really if it is, of the paranormal, then I guess we better look at it.
		You've obviously had some sort of experience.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And I'm on antidepressants.
		I went to therapy and I've been told it's all in my mind and this stuff doesn't really happen, but it does really happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is this stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are we talking about?
unidentified		I'm a heteromale and I have been raped by a male entity.
unidentified		And that can really mess your head up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rape under any circumstances can mess your head up.
		Yes, sir.
		How long has this been going on?
unidentified		For about the last ten years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		for 10 years.
		I wonder how Okay.
		Yeah, I'm already there.
		Believe me, you don't have to convince me.
		I'm already there, sir.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		All right.
		Well, we are going to have to do something with this now, obviously, aren't we?
		I really have no idea.
		Well, I did have an idea.
		It's not right to say I didn't have an idea, but talking to some researchers, you listen very carefully to somebody when you're doing an interview, if you're smart.
		The smart interviewers listen to what the person they're interviewing says.
		And if you listen very carefully, you'll notice that between many of the words, when they get to this subject, there's the underlying forceful impression that there's more to it than they're willing to talk about.
		And now I'm getting that from all of you.
		So it looks like it's going to be important we look into this.
		All right, let me look into this.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm Anne from Richland, Washington, and I had an experience with, I guess I would be a sexual experience with an entity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
		I did.
		When did this occur?
unidentified		This occurred on my birthday in 1993.
		I was very restless that day, and my husband and I had been arguing, and there was just a really strange feeling in the air.
		I had gone in our bedroom and sat down on the edge of the bed and was, I don't know if somebody...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, you're not going to be able to tell your story coherently because there's a delay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now go ahead.
unidentified		And I was sitting there on the edge of my bed, and I was physically pushed back on my bed.
		There was, my husband was in the other room.
		I couldn't speak out.
		I was forced back on my bed and my knees, my legs were forced open.
		And I felt an extreme cramping in my body.
		I don't know if I was implanted or if I was possibly an egg was extracted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you were attacked one way or the other.
unidentified		I was, and I was physically being held down.
		I was unable to call out to my husband or to anybody else in the house.
		And it was extremely frightening.
		This was not the first experience we've had.
		My husband and I together have had very many experiences.
		But this one really stuck out because it was the first time I felt I had, well, consciously known that I was being physically attacked by something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		May I ask what you did?
		Did you, other than your husband, did you report this in any way?
		Or was it so strange and probably unbelievable to a listener that you did not?
unidentified		Oh, no, I did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did not?
unidentified		Did not speak about it to anybody but my husband.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guess would be that 99 out of 100 people like you would have done exactly what you did, report it to no one.
unidentified		It was too unbelievable.
		We felt that the few other experiences we'd had, we had discussed with friends, and they all looked at us like we were living to.
		So we quit sharing our experiences, and now we keep them just in the family.
		My children know about it.
		Yes, they're aware of the experiences.
		They too have been followed, I guess.
		Or I don't know how else to say it.
		At the same time, we had a 16-year-old daughter that was living with her grandmother in Utah, and she was followed constantly by what we would describe as men in black.
		So she encountered that many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I very, very much appreciate your call, and you don't have to hit me over with a hammer, the head with a hammer over this.
		I've got it, folks.
		I just don't know how to proceed with it.
		This obviously is much, much more than we thought it was.
		And so let me think about what we will do, but we will do something.
		The message is very clear.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		From coast to coast and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly is.
		Good morning, everybody.
		You know, a number of people pastblasting say, you know, you don't really want to go down that road.
		You don't want to talk about that stuff.
unidentified		Well, yes, maybe we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this really is a very serious side of the paranormal, one that's unexplored and hasn't been paid attention to, particularly in the public, well, then we absolutely do want to go down that road.
		so i'm listening a little more but if it's that heavy duty yes we do All right, I'll tell you what we'll do.
		This seems like the way to proceed to me.
		Let's see how widespread and serious this is.
		Now, how can we do that?
		Well, not fully knowing what I'm getting myself in for here, why don't we do this?
		If you have experiences that relate to a sexual assault or a sexual, it might not necessarily be an assault, but a sexual encounter involving the paranormal, then how about an email?
		Send me an email.
		If you are a researcher who is willing to talk openly about this, and you can do so without naming patients, that kind of thing, then also email me.
		In other words, what I'm doing is soliciting information on this.
		I want to see how common this really is and consider doing a program on it.
		So here's my email address.
		There are two of them, actually.
		You may reach me, Artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, at mindspring.com.
		Artbell all in lowercase A-R-T-B-E-L-L at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		And that's the way I guess we can test the waters, both with the pros, that is to say, the researchers in this area.
		If there are some who would like to talk who have not previously done so on this specific topic.
		Or if you would like to communicate by email and you have a story to tell, then please by all means fire away, artbell at mindspring.com or artbell at aol.com.
		And through that means, we'll find out how much there really is to this.
		First time caller line, you're on me or hi.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right, sir.
unidentified		This is John from Detroit, Michigan?
		Yes.
		I just wanted to make a comment about entities and so forth.
		Not of a sexual nature, but first time I've actually talked about this, I was previously married and we have two small children.
		One of our smallest child, I noticed that at times, when in her crib, she would sometimes cry and do an act like someone would be playing with her, but she'd always stare at a corner in her room.
		Just like someone would be talking to her or whatnot.
		It didn't happen all the time, but it was more out of the blue than anything.
		This particular room, none of our animals would go into that room.
		None at all.
		Sometimes my dog would follow me in there, but they'd high tail it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I'll tell you something.
		It's pretty well known that children, and by that I mean from infants perhaps, once you've got your vision and your hearing and you're beginning to get it together as an infant, from about that time on until we are taught otherwise, that we see things that we would not ordinarily see.
		Children, infants, animals, they all seem to share that in common.
		Have you ever noticed?
		They seem to see things, invisible playmates or things that cats chase across the floor in some crazy manner, and we don't see them, but they're chasing or looking at something.
		And then perhaps human children, as they grow, are talked out of this silliness.
		You don't really see that.
		And then eventually, of course, you don't really see that.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Ken from Nyer Falls.
		Yes, sir.
		A little bit different topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I supplied equipment to government contractors in Southern California and covered Edwards Air Force Base and China Lake and that Lockheed Hellendale facility while it was under construction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting job.
unidentified		It was pretty interesting at times.
		I had to be checked out to get on to Rocket Site Mountain.
		And that's Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And there's a huge building up on top of there.
		And there's another building inside of that.
		And as I was being escorted in, the contractor that I was with, we were kind of walking, I was walking behind him, and there was this building, and my hair started standing up.
		And there was a small porthole type thing that was kind of not fastened.
		And I, curiosity picked the best of me.
		I looked inside.
		And in that split second later, he grabbed a hold of me and kept putting his finger to his mouth.
		Don't say a word.
		Well, you know, pretty much he was pretty intent on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What had you seen?
unidentified		It was about the size of a Honda cord.
unidentified		And on each corner, it had like an inverted ice cream cone is what it looked like as far as the shape went.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it was like a thrumming noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you describing it as a craft?
unidentified		It was a craft.
unidentified		It was about maybe six feet off the floor with nothing but umbilicals that were attached to the top of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And it seemed to, I knew it had to be something electromagnetic because my hair was kind of like when you're, you know, my escorts was doing the same thing.
		Well, a year later, he retired, and he came down into our main facility to, he started a little side business, and I told him I wasn't going to give him a thing until he told me what it was I saw.
		And he told me that that's where the Star Wars project went when they said it wasn't going to work and became a black project.
		He said these things, there's about probably 40 or 50 of them up there.
		And the way he described the way it was propulsed was if you take your hand in a bathtub and pull your hand forward half into the tub, whatever's behind it's pulled into it.
		He said this thing projects a hole and it projects it up, forward, back, or whatever.
		It can't be manned because there's no way that anybody could stand the volume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then falls toward the hole.
unidentified		It falls towards the hole.
unidentified		Wherever that hole is projected is where it falls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heard that description of propulsion previously from, actually, I think Bob Lazar, something very much like that.
unidentified		Well, I saw this in 1989.
		And at that time, he said there was probably, oh, I think he said there was 45 of them or 48 of them or something up there.
		And he said, and that's just, you know, he said he couldn't talk about it or anything else.
		And, you know, you shouldn't really say anything about it either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm surprised you got that close, but it sounds like you really had that experience and really saw that, and I really believe you.
unidentified		But to hide something in plain sight would be probably the best thing to do, and there it sits on top of that mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Thank you.
		Of course, I'm sure you wish you'd had the Brownie with you at the time.
unidentified		If I could have had those pictures, I'd be in the inquirers all over the newsstand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a great morning, sir.
unidentified		You do the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Lafayette, Indiana, WLS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, the mighty WLS.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to give you some reasons for not walking into the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, here we go.
		Go to the darkness instead, right?
		That's what you're saying, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and why should one proceed to the darkness at this critical choice moment?
unidentified		Because Lucifer is described as being an incredibly beautiful, brilliant white light.
		He's called the angel of light.
		And you've got to remember that he was bound and then cast out of heaven.
		He wasn't just cast out.
		He was bound.
		So he has no mobility.
		He's got to talk you into coming to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		But even if I buy what you're saying, the devil would project a white light.
		Okay, fine.
		But then why wouldn't God project an even brighter white light?
		Why would God have a dark be the dark choice?
		That doesn't make sense.
unidentified		Well, because God is described as being this incredibly powerful force who inspires you to fear and trembling.
unidentified		So that's not what the empty ears are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how much damn trouble you're causing by this?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		You want even more fun?
		You know, you keep asking about that ancient race that built all the stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They're called the Blue Race.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they?
unidentified		Yeah, and you can find out lots about them with the Wicca sources.
		They were one of the first four elements, and they were supposed to be true repeaters, you know.
		You know, they could actually remember their former lifetimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm sorry, but I just can't buy that it's a trick and you should go to the darkness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't buy that.
unidentified		Think of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God wouldn't trick you like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, God would know that most...
unidentified		The God may have been killed by the Titans, like the mythology says, and all you're left with is Lucifer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then 99.9% of us are dead meat because we're headed for the light.
		Traditionally, we all know you go to the light, right?
		But you have a caller like this, and darn it, you know, I'll be thinking about that now for weeks.
		You know, his reasoning.
		He actually, he was pretty good.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		Well, I have a, this is Gary.
unidentified		I'm calling from San Diego, 600 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cogo.
unidentified		And I have a comment on these weapons of mass destruction of the communications kind.
unidentified		Oh, the infamous BPL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, well, I find it rather ironic that with the war on terrorism, we need everything in our arsenal to defeat our enemy.
		And so why wouldn't we use it over there?
		But we let the FCC rather in their special interests with bureaucrats.
		Parties are willing to leave us wide open for the enemy to attack us at our weakest moment once this BPL switch is turned on.
		So I guess maybe the only people who will be talking would be the shadow government, perhaps.
		But alternatively, if you remember, Tesla had the ideas of broadcasting power and communications wirelessly.
		Now we look at Roger Lear's gravity amplifier.
		Why not make a gravity phone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear, you mean?
unidentified		Yeah, John Lear.
unidentified		Why not make a gravity phone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where you could hear a pin drop instantly.
unidentified		You got it.
		Just some food for thought.
		Have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good night, too.
		Thank you.
		A gravity phone.
		Well, since gravity is instant, according to John, then a gravity phone would provide instant pin drop communication.
		Hi there.
		You're on the Air Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, and well, I'm the only one here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning.
unidentified		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
		You're going to have to speak up good and loud.
		You're not too loud.
		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Actually, I'm in my truck up all over the side of the road.
unidentified		I wanted to make a comment about the broadband overpower.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm not real impressed with it.
		Number one, I'm Canadian.
		I find it difficult in a decision in such as a massive decision as such that it would disrupt not only my CB, but the fact that all your allies rely on HF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you right now, you better convert your talk into sitting down.
		I know it takes a minute to take out a piece of paper, but this is something you've got to do.
		Don't do it on the Internet.
		Commit it to paper.
		Write to your senator.
		Write to your congressman and say and beg for common sense listing the reasons, the very good reasons for looking hard at this technology before taking a jump that we're going to regret as a nation.
unidentified		What's going to happen with your allies?
		I'm from Canada, okay?
		I'm ex-military myself.
		I've used HF and I've communicated with your counterparts in the military.
		The Air Force air-to-ground system will be wiped right out.
		You're talking HF, VLF, everything gone.
		I just don't see how it can actually work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and me both, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know.
unidentified		It's not making any sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it's a terrible mistake and what we need is enough time for the engineers who I know are in the FCC who are They were just shaking their head about this.
		But, you know, the leadership there is bent on doing this, and it's kind of like, you know, they have jobs and families.
		But if you talk to the engineers, even at the FCC, they're just shaking their heads.
		What the hell are we doing?
unidentified		What are we going to do?
		I know SATCOMs are nice to have, but I've been a longtime listener.
		I've been following the solar flare situation and all that good stuff.
		And you turn around, you have to sit back and go, hmm, does this make real good sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should sit back and say, hmm, does this make real good sense?
		But we're not doing that.
		And so we're going to have to encourage our lawmakers to slow down and take a look.
		What do you think?
unidentified		Obviously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you do that.
		Write that letter.
		I don't care if it's a postcard or a letter to your congressman or senator.
		It's the only thing that's going to work.
		And I'm not even saying don't do it.
		There may be alternatives like running it at a couple of gigahertz or whatever and get it, not wiping out the whole shortwave ban and emergency communications, the whole mess they're talking about.
		There's got to be a better way.
		Let's take the time to find it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Greg from Eugene.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Greg.
unidentified		You know, one thing a previous caller mentioned that about gaining knowledge through coast to coast, and you also get repressed memories.
		And just one example would be the old hag.
		I always thought that was unique in me that I experienced that when I was a young child, but it's happened to zillions.
		But one show you had a few years back, and when I first turned it on, I thought, well, that's a crock.
		And then it started to hit me, and I started to remember things.
		I was on Feral Humans.
		Do you remember that far back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Feral Humans, yes, of course I remember.
		What an incredible program.
		On that, I believe it was a lady who was recovered and had been living a feral life all her life.
unidentified		Well, you know, when I first listened to it, I thought, boy, that's a crock.
unidentified		Maybe out in the middle of the Philippines or in the middle of Borneo or something, there's a feral human that was raised by a few years, about 1970 or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a true story, Sarah.
unidentified		Yeah, well, this was, oh, really?
		The woman You could actually found her.
		Well, okay, maybe I missed that part, but I do remember West Virginia and stuff like that.
		I missed parts of your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a.
		Well, okay, you know, we have so little time left here.
		There was a woman who was found who was feral.
		And she was taken to a hospital.
		It took many years.
		In fact, there was a movie made about her.
		I don't immediately recall the name of the movie, but it was based on a true story.
		And she was absolutely as feral as any animal that would find its freedom and its world in the forest.
		Every bit that feral.
		Can that happen?
		Could that happen in modern America?
		Perhaps in the Appalachians, wherever?
unidentified		Could it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And it did happen.
		Indeed, a remarkable story.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've come away from tonight's one more, maybe very quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very little time, but what's up?
unidentified		I was just letting you know that I'm calling from the darkness of Washington, D.C. Ha ha, our nation's capital, yes.
unidentified		I've been working in the government for quite some time, and one of your callers did touch on a very important topic, Edwards Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		He's stumping on a little something that we're going to be working on here for quite some time.
unidentified		He's found our new propulsion systems, basically, for spacecraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you know this from whatever it is you do in Washington?
unidentified		You could put it that way lightly, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am putting it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in a position to know what that man saw.
unidentified		You could say that, yeah.
		I did.
		Basically, what he was looking at is it's a gravitational field.
		In effect, it's creating a very, very small black hole in front of an object, which will pull the object along.
		You can create it above, below, the side.
		You can get your craft to travel in any direction you want.
		Basically, what he discovered was an experimental UCAP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where did we derive this technology?
unidentified		I think you already know the answer to that.
		They've been here.
		They will be here.
		And we work with them quite closely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll have to be our deep throat from here on in, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you obviously know quite a bit.
unidentified		I will definitely check in with you periodically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deep throat, you are hereby dubbed.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Unfortunately, folks, that's it.
		That's all the time we've got.
		It has been a pleasure in more ways than one, certainly an honor to be here on the weekends.
		George will be back tomorrow, and between now and next we need, I'm going to be reviewing these emails that I hope on the subject of sexuality and the paranormal you will be quick to send.
		But for tonight, from the high desert, where the stars are lined up behind the moon in such a beautiful manner, I'm Art Bell.
		Good night.
unidentified		Will take us on a ride Fuel with belonging, searching for the truth.

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