Art Bell welcomes Roger Tolces, a 30-year veteran PI who’s swept 2,500 locations for bugs and wiretaps—from cult leaders to celebrities—revealing how disposable cell phones and pre-wired CALIA devices exploit tax-funded surveillance. Tolces uncovers 800,236 hidden files on a pawn shop laptop, warns of unregulated 2.4 GHz cameras (16,000 sold monthly by his friend), and links microwave radiation to health risks like cancer, citing the "active denial unit" weapon. He details cases of electronic harassment, including a microwave-oven attack and GPS implants patented in 1997, while dismissing Soviet eavesdropping rumors but confirming real threats like roving wiretaps under the Patriot Act. Despite skepticism from Bell about a master conspiracy, Tolces insists corporations push global control over privacy, urging awareness to halt irreversible freedom erosion. [Automatically generated summary]
Now, for obvious reasons I'm not going to give you the details of what I did, but suffice it to say that somebody who did something really awful to me found out about my electronic talent.
Actually, he didn't find out about my electronic talents.
But I used information gathered about this person electronically to get him back.
Tonight's guest is an expert on trying to find people like me.
I did this a lot of years ago, and if you heard the whole story, which I can't tell you, you would understand why I was provoked to do what I did.
But you would be shocked at how much electronic information can mean to you.
If you want to get somebody, if you want to get something, if you want to get something done, if you want a corporate secret, if you, I don't know, any one of a million different motivations.
If you want information about somebody, you can get it.
There's a million different ways, and tonight's guest is going to talk about them.
So it may well be, I mean, think about it for a moment.
Would there be anybody with a motivation to have information about you?
Anybody you know have a motivation to want information about you?
Anyway, we're going to do open lines shortly in this hour.
We don't do enough of those.
I'm going to plan, I don't know, maybe alternate Sundays or something, and we'll just do open lines.
So I'm trying to figure that part out now.
George does them as a sort of a Friday night ritual, as we always have on Coast.
So I don't kind of want to back that up by doing them again on Saturday, but maybe on a Sunday.
News.
It's never good.
Troops flooded a Baghdad neighborhood in a new U.S. military offensive against guerrillas Sunday as an audio purportedly made by Saddam Hussein urged Iraqis to escalate their fight against us.
The U.S. military moves in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq came as the Army tried to determine why two of its Black Hawk helicopters crashed in the northern city of Mosul, killing 17 of ours in the worst single loss of American life since the war began.
And as you know, I thought this was a horrid idea before we did it, but we are there now.
And so the question is not so much recrimination about why we did what we did, but what we do now.
And I'm still thinking about that.
What about you?
What do you think is the right tactic for us to take in Iraq?
Should we simply seek out the enemy and destroy him wherever we find him?
Yeah.
But will the enemy keep coming at a rate that will keep us in American dead bodies to our hips?
They'll try.
So the million-dollar question, actually it's a multi-billion dollar question, is how to get them before they get us.
Because we're there now, and we need to figure a way out of this other than the way it ended in Vietnam.
In stark contrast to his Hollywood image and the usual inauguration festivities, Governor Schwarzenegger, now Governor Schwarzenegger, a plan to take office Monday, well, Monday he will be, with a quick and very low-key ceremony.
And then he's going to go right to work.
And he should.
California has lots of trouble, money trouble, all kinds of troubles in California.
It's the other one I picked out from the World News.
A sparse crowd thinned out across a 70,000-seat stadium at a rally on Sunday that was intended as a thank you for all those men and women who battled the largest wildfire in modern California history.
The low turnout at Qualcomm Stadium was not lost on those who came to thank the roughly 500 firefighters and law enforcement people who strode onto the playing field to cheers, music, and fireworks.
A very small crowd to thank them.
After what went on.
Speaking of what went on, the sun, our sun, is demanding everyone's attention three weeks into perhaps the most dramatic and unexpected chain of eruptions ever observed venting from its seething, bubbling surface.
There have been as many as 11 salvos, 11 since October 19th.
And the fireworks could reach a new crescendo by Thanksgiving.
The nation's, by the way, busiest holiday for air travel, just one of the things that might be disrupted.
If we get a really serious flare and you're flying in a jet at high altitude, depending on the severity of the eruption on the sun, you could collect instantly, or during that flight, anywhere between one and 100, equivalent of between 1 and 100, chest x-rays.
That's right.
That much radiation, should you be jet-borne.
Anyway, it sounds incredible, but something like that, kind of like a blizzard in July, has just happened to our sun.
So they're beginning to, that's quote by David Hathaway, solar physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center.
So there you are.
The experts are looking at what happened.
And what happened was anywhere between some say an X28 flare, which was, of course, above the measurable scale, and some guess as high as X40.
They actually don't know.
And these big sunspots, 486, 484, they're all just about to come back to us, ladies and gentlemen, and they're still spitting fire.
Scientists can look on the other side of the sun in a way, and what they can see going on over there are very large explosions.
And these are coming from the sunspots that we all saw fade into the, literally into the sunset, I guess, right?
And move around the far side of the sun while they continue to survive and spit fire.
And now they're coming round the horn again.
Now, a scientist who have studied solar peaks, and I have looked at solar peaks all of my amateur radio career very closely, as you know, have never, ever seen anything like this happen before.
Is the sun dying?
No.
Is it about to go supernova on us or something horrible like that?
Probably not.
However, what the sun is going to do next, nobody knows.
Nobody has any idea what it's going to do.
You know, they have records, but frankly, man hasn't been around that long keeping records of the sun.
I suppose in the beginning, people worshipped it and all the rest of that, but we didn't keep records.
But from the time we've kept records, the biggest explosion that ever occurred just happened.
And the very same spot that emitted that explosion and its brethren are now about to come around the other side of the sun and point their fiery teeth at us.
Previously, the most intensive flares ever were a pair of what they classified as X-20s.
But now, should they launch new satellites, they would have to recalibrate scale.
So what's coming next for all of us is anybody's guess, but the scientists are, well, they're puzzled at what our sun is doing right now, and they, frankly, don't know what's coming next.
I think I've talked to you a little bit about our weather changing, right?
This is from Reuters.
Mother Nature will be volatile this winter, and the U.S. energy suppliers ought to brace for dramatic shifts in demand for heating fuel from month to month, even week to week, said forecasters Friday.
Four out of six weather watchers surveyed by Reuters, which is where this story came from, predict that this winter is going to be a little warmer than last year, but will be punctuated by wild swings in temperature because of the absence of any strong El Niño or La Niña or whatever.
El Nino is an abnormal warming of the waters in the Equatorial Pacific.
It usually leads to a mild winter here in the U.S. Last severe El Niño occurred in the winter of 97-98, causing droughts in Australia and Indonesia and flooding Ecuador and Peru.
Ela Niña, of course, the exact opposite.
It often follows El Niño, which means Christ child in Spanish, and got its name from a South America fisherman who first noticed its appearance at Christmastime.
So what they're saying is they're preparing us for wild changes in temperature all winter long.
And that's because the climate in general is changing.
Another Reuters story, longer Arctic summers and thinning sea ice up there are now beginning to threaten the habitats of polar bears and the livelihood of native people.
Arctic ice, get this folks, has lost as much as 40% of its thickness in the last 50 years.
40% of its thickness is gone in 50 years.
So they see a direct link between lengthening summers, the period of time up there that it is summer and warm relatively, and thinning ice, more evidence of climate change.
And of course, this one from Peru, which should get everybody, by the way, you might wish to go look at a movie trailer for a movie called The Day After Tomorrow and see what it means to you.
We'll talk more about that.
At any rate, they have now found a plant in Peru that was flash frozen, and I told you about this 5,000 years ago, like that.
Now, the thing about this is that it was preserved from 5,000 years ago.
Guess why?
Because the climate where that green thing was growing changed like that.
Literally, like that.
From a climate's point of view, in a few hours.
No, from our point of view, in just a few hours.
For the climate, that's incredibly unlikely.
Scientists are now beginning to understand there can be rapid, unexpected, catastrophic climate Change, it can occur.
And this would be evidence that it did, because you see, it never did thaw out.
So, scientists are now going to be again studying very carefully down in Peru as they wonder how green things could have been instantly melted.
That can only be rapid climate change.
All right, let's do as I suggested we would do, and let us begin by taking a few calls.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hey, I have a story about being kind of abducted and stopped.
But see, the reason why I was kind of thinking maybe it was being abducted is because I was listening to a show where they're saying that aliens can kind of come down and put that in your car.
Although, in my case, I'm usually listening to a show that I just did a few hours earlier.
Now, taking what you said seriously, I would discard the alien aspect, probably, of what you just said and imagine a more earthly reason for what happened to you.
But hearing your own voice on the radio, AM or FM, is always a very bad sign.
I was wanting to call and talk to you about the war in Iraq a little bit.
I was in the Navy.
I was a Bosa mate.
Served my four years and I got out.
But it's basically dealing with things that are going on now.
All the criticism and everything against the war.
It just kind of gets to me every now and then.
I just wanted to say that first off, I hear a lot, you know, little comments here and there about George W. Bush going over to the war, starting everything, and it was all because of Saddam Hussein and putting the hit out on his father a number of years ago.
And first off, I think that would justify reason in itself, not being that it's his father, but just for the fact that that is an American president and an evil dictator of another country that has, in the past, and everybody knows he has, used weapons of mass destruction to baim, kill, and basically demoralize his own people.
But there can be legitimate argument about the orders that they are given.
And I don't know that Iraq was a wise war for the United States.
I tend to think not.
But again, I would much rather focus on the fact that we are there now and how we change the dynamic.
I don't agree with this caller that it is at all satisfactory to we're just doing great and just keep doing what we're doing.
Well, what we're doing right now is getting picked off a lot, right?
Daily accounts, maybe not the numbers of NOM right now, but daily accounts of death, and it's all meaningful.
So we need to change the dynamic, turn the tables somehow on the people who hide behind women, children, and buildings and get them before they get us.
That's war.
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You remember we were talking about subtle energy a weekend or so ago, right?
Remember that subtle energy?
For example, this isn't so subtle in my mind, but people who are able to move material objects with their minds.
I got a very long, interesting letter from somebody who is named Michael, who claims he certainly has that ability and can demonstrate it to me, along with about 20 others, that he has taught this psychokinesis talent to.
And so I'm waiting to hear from you, Michael, with an invitation to demonstrate this to us.
What do you say?
Back to see what the gene pool has dispensed our way.
I'd just like to say, you know, in regards to this so-called terror war, I really do believe that we're just being lied to wholesale by the government.
I really do believe that we are in the quagmire in the desert now.
What do you think U.S. motivation is for what we're doing in Iraq right now?
The actual motivation, not the stated stuff, unless you agree with that, but the actual motivation.
Why are we doing it?
unidentified
I think for the past 30 years that we've been wanting to basically control those natural resources that are in the Persian Gulf area, because if you control the energy that the people have access to, you can also control the development of other countries in that region.
If we were after control of natural resources, which I agree would be a goal, not necessarily a war-worthy goal, but a goal, all right?
At least not one you can state, then why did we make this money that we just sent over to Iraq?
Why didn't we go ahead and make it a loan instead of an outright gift?
After all, they have the ability to pay back the loan in oil.
We're shedding blood.
What's the matter with taking some of our own money back from their oil?
Why would that be wrong?
unidentified
Well, I think that the money that's allocated for the $82 billion is actually allocated for the military, and very little of it is actually going to be spent on developing.
I know, but it's still the military to continue to clean up their mess, and so why would it be inappropriate for us to charge them for that?
unidentified
Well, I think that we are charging them for it, but we can't seem to pump out enough oil out of the Gulf because every time that we try to pump oil out of there, they blow up the pipeline.
You've got to remember that even in Colombia, where we have pipelines, that the rebels there are blowing up the pipelines all the time.
There's no way in the world that they can protect a 500-mile-long pipeline from the oil fields to the US.
You said he was anticipating this kind of reaction to our invasion, should it happen.
and i agreed with you there but if he if he anticipated that uh...
that whole thing that he would have certainly You know, there have been many assassination attempts, so that will make you paranoid.
And so one would assume that since he knew we were about to invade, he would prepare adequately to be able to hide from us and would probably have killed anybody who knew about his little secret locations and his little secret underground who knows what, right?
So I think you were right about the first part, but I question, or rather wrong about the first part, with regard to our motivation.
If we had that motivation, then we would have made it alone and could have made it alone, just with a vote, but we decided not to.
Well, okay, but see, what you're suggesting is, you know, that sounds just like Vietnam.
We know there's some Kong in there.
Let's torch the whole village.
You know, I just, I don't think we can do that.
I certainly agree that we have to, let me say it again, all right, so I can be as clear as I possibly can be.
We have to change, find a way to change the dynamic in the war so that we're not picked off one at a time, two at a time, ten at a time, until finally U.S. opinion is so turned against the war that some president is forced, whether it be this or any future president, to retreat.
We're there now, and what we need now is a way to win.
And the way to win is not the way we appear to be going at it right now.
It is going to be a slow, costly war of attrition and bad publicity.
That's what's ahead of us, unless we change the dynamic.
And I'm not a genius claiming to know what that change would be, but I do know it can't mean slaughtering civilians.
Okay, at the point that you do that, you now have gone from your stated goals with regard to Iraq, supposed to be giving back the government to them, saying, here you go, democracy, have fun, right?
Now, all of a sudden, we're at war with all of Islam.
unidentified
Look, let's make an analogy with World War II.
After Pearl Harbor, what if Roosevelt took Okinawa and had a holding action here and set up a democracy in Okinawa, and that was it?
I mean, it's ridiculous.
We have to conquer our enemies, or they're going to conquer us.
And I was calling because I have a friend named Pilar, and it's kind of a long story, but I think it relates to David Ike, though I'm not familiar with it.
So I thought for a while she was schizophrenic, but she said, But she says all the things that Ike says, or I think I've only seen his website, about there being other reptiles, that they're a militaristic race, that they are involved in government.
Now, with all due deference to you, sir, do you really think that if the brass casing from the bullet that killed Kennedy from the brassy knoll, which was searched with micro-surgery, would still be laying on the ground i mean That's what I'm trying to tell you.
But, but, what if stranger things have happened, haven't they?
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So, but, you know, you want to be very polite, actually, say it very politely.
Remember at the beginning of the program, we talked a little bit about bugs?
And maybe I'll tell a little more of my story here, but not much.
Coming up, Roger Tulsis.
He's a Los Angeles private investigator.
He specializes in electronic countermeasures.
In the past 30 years, he's swept over, get this, 2,500 locations for bugs and wiretaps.
Has worked for millionaires, gangsters.
That'll be interesting.
Movie stars, superstar athletes, pornographers, cult leaders, politicians, doctors, lawyers, real estate moguls, psychics, UFO contactees.
I suspect that was thrown in for our benefit.
Gamblers, casinos, oh, I bet they do a lot of that.
Sports, betting operations, boiler Room operators, smugglers, union leaders, aircraft builders, soldiers of fortune, madams, cult deprogrammers, diplomats, and arms dealers.
There's a group.
In recent years, his business has included helping victims of electronic harassment.
Electronic harassment takes place if someone uses any sort of electronic device to aid them in invading your person or property, or for the purpose of gathering information illegally, or for the purpose of causing physical harm.
Mr. Tulsis uses over $100,000 of high-tech equipment to identify the sources of electronic harassment.
A lot of people think when they pick up a cordless device like a telephone, that even though they're, of course, transmitting over the air, whether it be to a cell site or they just have a cordless phone at home or whatever, they think that's private.
At any rate, even if they did subconsciously know it's going over the air, they don't ever anticipate the fact that anybody might be able to listen into that information, and they readily forget that it is a wireless phone, and they discuss things on it that they ought not.
Well, somebody did something truly awful to me a couple of decades ago, and so I built a five-element beam for 49 megahertz, pointed it at this individual's house, and listened to his conversations for a protracted period of time, and I screwed with that guy's life.
I got him back for what he did to me.
Let's just leave it at that.
In fact, I will leave it at that.
Shouldn't have said that much, probably, but Roger, welcome to the program.
And then after a while, you knew all about the gossip is life, and it's amazing what you can learn when people don't think that they're being listened to the whole, you know, all the dirty laundry, huh?
And if you have revenge-like emotions for somebody and you have information on them they might not want people to have, why then, gee, that person's in a whole lot of trouble.
So, yeah, I did it.
I can't even say I'm sorry.
It was just fine.
What I did to him was not nearly so bad as what he did to me.
Leave it at that.
Anyway, we're here to talk about the various methods that can be used to do this, to gain information.
And I know a lot of them are a lot more technologically complex than what I did.
Well, of course, you know, the rate of development in the past few years, especially with the cell system coming online, has really changed the whole surveillance outlook.
I've been for the past couple of days at a private eye convention down here in San Diego, and we'll get a chance to talk about a few of the things that I saw.
There was quite a few vendors here that had some pretty interesting things, and I got a chance to meet some rather clever people.
But one of the things that I got a chance to look at, which was pretty shocking, was a cell phone bug that goes on a phone line.
In other words, if you can access the pair anywhere from the target's location, being at a home or being at a business, and you can access a telephone pair, you can put this device on that telephone pair, and when this fellow lifts his phone to make a call, the information in his phone line goes into the cell phone bug and is transmitted to wherever listening post they've put in the automatic dialing mechanism of the cell phone.
So they could be in Moscow, you know, and you lift your phone line and you start talking, and that cell phone goes into operation with your conversation on it sending it to wherever has been pre-dialed using the existing cell phone system, and it goes back to a listening post where there's a tape machine next.
Because if somebody wants to tap your phone, no matter the modern method they use, you're not going to hear a big click and somebody breathing on the other end or something.
About 20 years ago, there was some Arabs, and this was before that terrorism time, but there was some Arabs people in Los Angeles that were arrested by the feds.
And they were charged with terrorism.
I still got the article.
And so the Arab Defense League decided to set up an office in West Los Angeles to defend these people, which they put in an existing attorney's office.
And after about a week, they decided, the attorney decided, that it was getting to be too complicated for his office, that they needed to move to another office.
So they opened a new office over in Hollywood, which is about five or ten miles away.
On the morning that the new phone lines got turned on in the new office, the secretaries lifted the phone and they were talking to the secretaries in the old office.
And what happened was, is the feds had wiretapped this office.
And when they went to bridge the new tap, they forgot to pull the bridge on the old location going to their listening post, so they crossed both Locations.
Now, I went in there and we discovered that and we documented it, and those attorneys, famous civil rights attorneys, went right back into federal court and filed a motion to discover a wiretap.
And the result was that the charges against these people were immediately dropped because they didn't want to be further embarrassed.
But for the most part, if somebody does a professional tap on your phone, unless that level of screw-up occurs, you're not going to hear clicks and crunches and people breathing.
Yeah, if it's a competent job with a high-impedance bridging tap, you're not.
However, I have to tell you that a lot of people are not competent, and they do put clip leads and things that are flaky on there.
And another thing that happens is if the impedance of the tapping device happens to have any kind of non-linearity to it, then an AM radio station like the ones you're on can end up starting to play music in the circuits.
So, you know, you've got to know what you're doing to do it right.
Of course, you know, the main thing that's happening now is they passed this CALIA law in 1974, whereby they pre-wired everybody's telephones and everybody's pagers and their cell phones for wiretaps on a wide-area network.
That law was called the Communication Assistance to Law Enforcement, CALIA.
And it was all paid for by adding taxes onto everybody's phone bill.
So now everybody's in a wide area network, and all the government has to do is go in there and throw a couple of keystrokes because you're pre-wired, and your conversations go to their hard drives.
My presumption is, for example, with the work that I do, I have presumed for years that probably my phones are tapped, probably my email is read, and so I always conduct myself in that full knowledge.
I don't think it's unrealistic.
It's entirely possible.
I've had all kinds of sensitive things cross my computer and over my telephone lines, but I'm aware enough not to discuss critical information on the telephone at all.
I just don't.
I'm that aware, and I guess more people should be.
But keep in mind that the founding fathers' intent was that it would take a judicial order in order for you to be lawfully listened to.
And one of the things that's happening now is as we move into this paranoia that the Patriot Bill has fast, you know, this whole Patriot Bill that got fast.
It is justified, but the point is that the original intent of our founding fathers having a Fourth and Fifth Amendment is that you should not have to look over your shoulder, especially in your home, speaking freely and keeping your papers from being viewed and having surreptitious entries and some of these things that this new Patriot Bill allows.
And the Patriot Bill seems to go further and further away from a judicial oversight.
They're getting more into this administrative kind of thing where they don't require a judicial order.
And of course, they moved into this roving wiretaps, which means that they don't need to generate an order for every phone being listened to.
If they want to listen to Art Bell, they sign this blanket roving tap, and no matter what Art Bell goes on, be it a cell phone, be it on the Internet, or be it on any other mode of communication, that they can move instantly from one to the next.
While I abhor the erosion of the Fourth Amendment, believe me, as much as anybody else, let me put it to you.
Yes, that on the one side, but on the other side, we have people entering our country, taking airliners and smashing them into the biggest buildings in New York, destroying the Pentagon, virtually at war with us, wanting to kill us.
So we do have that over here on the one hand, and we have the Fourth Amendment over in this other hand, and we're kind of weighing them back and forth.
And I don't know, without these powers, how do they go after these people who want to kill us?
Well, my focus has always been that these things should be handled at the border of America.
In other words, you should not be able to walk across the border of America or bring in all the amount of drugs and dope and allow these huge containers to come off these ships without any inspection at all.
I mean, we really need to focus on the borders.
And, you know, once the borders have been breached and these people are on the inside, I don't really know that you can stop an event.
Most of the times you're going to be trailing the event.
We've got some very impressive electronic systems these days, you know.
We've got very impressive electronic underground sensors.
We've got all kinds of video, sophisticated video surveillance gear.
We've got satellites.
I mean, they can see human body heat from long distances away with these heat sensing devices.
So it's not like you can't pick these people up.
And of course, you know, heck, if you can track almost every individual in America's bank account, you know, that know your customer thing that they were trying to put through as well, whereby the computer systems are going to track everybody's banking profile.
And if your profile shifts out of normal, then they're going to flag you and send you in.
Well, you know, you can turn that kind of computer power towards the borders of America.
Now we've paid to have everybody's phone pre-wired for surveillance in America.
But what happens when you go down at 7-Eleven?
And right now, today, tonight, you could go in there and buy yourself $100 phone.
You don't have to sign up at all.
You buy a 300-minute card, and there it is.
You're able to talk to whomever you want as an anonymous phone instrument.
And the people that are wired are you and me.
meanwhile, the Arabs, who have plenty of money to do these things, or whoever the terrorists may be, can switch phones anytime they want to swing down.
And you don't think that if a law enforcement agency found it necessary to do so, that they could, I don't know, somehow be able to monitor such phone as you just described from 7-Eleven or whatever?
Well, you and I both know you can get close to a person with a cell phone, and you can have a frequency readout of exactly not only the frequency, but the electronic serial number.
Normally, they would find the communications through the NSA or something else, and then they'd work the communications backwards to finding where they were.
Basically, everybody's cell phone is trackable over the time that they have it on.
In other words, you don't even need to be making phone calls.
You carry a cell phone on for 90 days, and the phone company will go back and tell you everywhere you've been.
Because the phone handshakes every time it changes the cell area.
That's the way the routine is set up from what I understand.
They just, it's like they just Well, I think they're starting to have a requirement for that pursuant to the emergency system that they're putting in on the GPS basis.
No kidding.
If you dial 911, they're going to know exactly where you're standing.
At this PI convention where I was here with my equipment, showing it to other PIs, because we work with other PIs.
In the next booth for me was another PI, Daniel Libby, and he is a computer forensic specialist.
And we had our laptop there.
And the interesting thing is we had bought this laptop from a friend of mine about a year ago that owned a pawn shop.
So there was a prior owner to the laptop.
So we were there with Daniel, and Daniel says, well, let me use my scanning disks.
He has these specialized disks that examine the inner workings of the subsystems of the codes, the inside code of a computer.
So he hooked his laptop to ours, went through the USB port, and injected some of these evaluation programs.
Now, keep in mind, we had, when we got this laptop, we erased everything that was not of interest to us.
We just had left on just everything that we wanted.
Everything else went into the trash, you know, the computer trash.
He went through with his diagnostic system, and within about an hour, he came up, and I'm going to give you the exact number, with 800,236 files.
We have an 18 gigahertz drive.
So he found 800,000 files that we thought we erased.
Then he started using his software to bring up the photographs and other graphics that had been inside the machine.
And that includes websites that the prior person went to that didn't get erased either.
And believe it or not, there was pornography on this machine and an excessive amount of pornographic pictures.
And we didn't even know they were there because we thought that when they went in the trash, that they were a goner off the machine.
But the fact is that when they go in the trash, your machine just loses the directory to where they live and they just sit there on the hard drive because when you've got a hard drive that's 18 gig, it's unlikely you're going to write over these things.
There was another private eye there that had an office up in Van Euys, which is north of San Diego.
He left in his car, sitting in front of his office, a covert video camera.
That covert video camera was making real-time video pictures that were being fed to a hard drive.
So in other words, that camera was a surveillance camera.
But that same camera was using the cell system and using a new feature that our particular cell site companies out here give, which is a fast data link.
He fed those pictures through the cell system, and he had a handheld PDA in his hand that was linked by the cell system, and we were looking at the pictures coming out of this camera real time.
So that means that any place that anybody can put a camera, and the other frightening thing is, you know, you see on the website these 2.4 gigahertz, very small cameras that people sell for, you know, a couple hundred bucks.
Well, I've got a friend that is a distributor of these things, and he sells on the internet 16,000 cameras a month himself, personally.
In other words, you can place a camera somewhere, and as you point out, you can get a high-speed data link from a cell phone or from an air card, what's called an air card, a little bitty thing, and just away you go.
Yeah, no, there's no law relating to video because basically their original thinking on it is that you've got no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public area.
Now, when you're in a restroom, it should be different, obviously.
But, you know, they really haven't addressed that problem yet, and we're really dealing with technology that's exceeding anybody's expectations of privacy.
Well, the courts seem to want to limit it at the doors of our homes.
There was this one case not too long ago where they were using infrared sensing equipment looking for people that were growing pot inside houses by the fact that the home would have an excessive amount of heat.
So they were flying these aircraft over cities looking for houses that were emanating heat.
And based on that, as a probable cause, they were raiding places.
Yeah, what happened was that got challenged, and the Supreme Court did find that once you're within the border of a home, if you have electronic equipment that will see through those borders, see through the walls and see through the doors, and they do have all kinds of different equipment that can do that, that you are protected from those kind of devices and that kind of invasion.
Now, there was a rumor going around that the Soviets had technology, and I guess we do too, of hitting a window with some sort of microwave signal, I guess, and like radar, just simply picking up the vibrations on the window pane and then bouncing it back and listening to conversation going on inside the building or the house.
First of all, window panes tend to vibrate from ambient street noise much more than they do from human speech because the power level is so good.
At least in a city environment.
Secondarily, the reflection coefficient on that is such that you have to be in direct line of sight and direct line of reflection back.
So you need to have a system that has a scope on it like a rifle.
It has to be precision aimed and precision reflected back.
Not easy to do.
I've never met anybody that has done that successfully.
You know, bugs are so much easier.
And the real threat right now is these cell phone bugs because they've got cell phones that they've converted into bugs.
And the way they did that is, you know, your normal cell phone has a proximity mic whereby the microphone is tuned to not pick up background.
That's why you can talk to people and be in traffic or be in a location that has a lot of noise in the background, but people don't hear it.
Well, these cell phone bugs are set up so that their microphones are opposite that in the sense that they pick up every sound in a room with precision.
In fact, actually, if I were a dictator of the USA, I would have every cell phone gathered in a giant trash compactor and I'd have them all smashed into little bits of nothing.
I hate cell phones.
They have the worst audio.
Maybe you can answer this for me.
For an industry that supposedly took a step forward, and I speak of the entire cell phone industry now, they all sound like pure crap to me.
The audio is horrible, and it's not like we're in the 21st century at all.
Why is it so bad?
And can we have any expectation that it'll get better?
So it's time-segmented, and of course, the interesting thing is this was originally done for electronic warfare on the battlefield, whereby they wanted to try to come up with a formula for putting out frequency transmissions that wouldn't be easily jammed.
And it's not easy to jam, and they work pretty good on low power, but once again, you've got that annoying, you lose the warmth and the texture of a landline where you have that continuity of analog, and you're making this digital conversion where you're time segmenting and losing time slots, and it is very annoying.
Yeah, well, I certainly wouldn't use a cell phone unless I was using the earphone attachment and getting that cell phone a couple of feet away from my head, especially for kids.
You know, I try to get my daughter to stop doing it, but you know how these kids are.
If they could implant the cell phone, they would probably go ahead and do it.
But, you know, just listen to the symptoms of electronic radiation exposure, and these are symptoms that we've done a lot of research on.
If you get microwaves put to your head on an ongoing basis, you could have headaches, eye irritation, dizziness, nausea, skin rash, facial swelling, weakness, fatigue, pain in joints and muscles, buzzing and ringing in the ears, skin numbness, abdominal pressure and pain, breathing difficulty, irregular heartbeat, balance problems.
Yeah, but a lot of people will say, oh, my God, I've got it.
I mean, those are fairly general symptoms, and there's a big controversy right now about whether cell phones really do harm you or not, isn't there, to be honest?
Well, there was a man that wrote a book on it, and he did the research on it, and he shows an MRI of somebody using a cell phone, and you can see half the hemisphere of his head is saturated in the microwave.
I wouldn't drink it because you will be drinking secondary emission as well.
Well, you know, the thing about human beings is that they've heated their food over millions of years with flame, and flame vibrates molecules at random frequencies.
When you use a klystron tube in a microwave, it will resonate and cause the molecules to resonate at 2.4 gigahertz.
And so when the food is hot, that heat coming off is a secondary emission of 2.4.
And if you tend to eat it, then you're subjecting your insights to 2.4 as well.
I worked and assembled a 13-gig carsband microwave system and worked around that stuff eight hours a day and maybe a lot more and actually assembled the microwave gear and all the rest of that.
So I mean, this was the kind of stuff where if by mistake you should happen to get your eye lined up with a microwave emission, you're blind instantly.
The interesting thing is the research, and there's an interesting research paper that was released in Europe last year.
And basically what it said is that those limits on microwave exposure were originally set on thermal bases.
No longer, because now they're starting to realize that when you take waves of that nature and you beam them towards people, you're interfering with brain function and brain regulation of the body to the extent that people have health problems and also people have difficulty with their thought processes.
They become disoriented and lethargic.
And of course, this is kind of what the covert black ops people have been doing, especially with making these microwave energy weapon systems that are now in the non-lethal technology.
I don't know whether you've seen the active denial unit, which is a microwave weapon that can be used on the internet.
I have not.
It's on the internet, but they call it active denial, and it operates at 60 gigahertz and puts out so much power that they allowed a reporter to go out and stand in the beam.
He volunteered to do so.
It's on the popular mechanics website.
So he went out there and he stood probably about 500 feet away from this thing.
And basically, it's a microwave antenna mounted on top of a Humvee.
And they turned the thing on.
And he said it was like having a hot light bulb pressed on your skin.
And in about three seconds, he dove out of the ray and hit the dirt.
And this is one of the weapons that they've got.
This one's online.
And it can be mounted on a Humvee or put on an aircraft.
HARP is said to have, at a larger scale, Roger, similar characteristics, possibly.
They don't talk a lot about this aspect of it, but those who have studied HAARP believe that it could be used to confuse entire armies on the battlefield at a great distance.
Well, you know, if you go into this electronic harassment section on my website, and maybe people should look at it while we're talking, it's, you know, bugsweeps.com.
If you go to the front page, there's a vibrating box that says electronic harassment.
And if you click on that, it will take you to these pages.
On the pages, we show some of these microwave weapons, energy beam weapons that people have put together to harass one another.
We have one of the pictures there is of a microwave oven where an individual peeled the side of the microwave oven open and turned it into an energy beam weapon, whether it was 700, 800 watts, and he just unleashed it at his neighbors through the wall.
He was living in an apartment building.
We have a diagram of that, and he caused these people to get dreadfully ill over time.
Well, in the past couple of years, I can't give you an exact date on it, but we've, you know, and that's just what were the symptoms of the people that were exposed, and for what period of time were they exposed?
Well, I don't know all the details of the exact event.
I just have gotten most of it secondhand, so I don't know all the details.
It was over time.
These people just, you know, had a major fallout with these neighbors, and if I remember correctly, it had to do with they were trying to get them to move out because they wanted to take over their unit as well.
You're going to have to follow the same directions I did.
And it's very simple.
Go to the Coast to Coast AM website, all right?
And click on Roger's link right there, if you would please.
We've got it laid out for you under tonight's guest.
Just click on his link.
And then go a little ways down his page, and you'll see a sort of a flashing electronic harassment sign.
And you click on that.
All right?
Follow along with me on this one, because this is incredible stuff.
And on the one hand, what you're about to see, there's no question about it.
Whoever did this did it the right way.
They've modified a microwave oven, and they have a horn antenna, what amounts to a horn antenna on it, which would be an effective antenna.
Effective indeed, especially with, I don't know, 700, 800 watts of microwave.
Now, on the one hand, I can see a lot of people out there might say, for God's sakes, don't show this to people, because this is something you can, though you should not, try at home, of course.
But as you go down, take a look at this microwave oven prepared virtually as a weapon.
I think what does it say here?
Here is a microwave oven that has been modified into an energy weapon.
Do you remember back around 1968 where our embassy in Russia was being bombarded by microwaves from across the street?
The Soviets actually put large, powerful microwave units in a building across the street.
And they were radiating our employees there.
And these people were getting dreadfully ill.
They couldn't concentrate.
They were sick to their stomachs.
They had headaches.
They were unable to function.
And we brought our people in the intelligence community went there with all the normal sweeping stuff.
They went in with metal detectors and they went in with spectrum analyzers.
they were looking for different things.
And it wasn't until after a great deal of looking around that they started looking at that upper spectrum of microwave and realized that the place was being bombarded by these weapons.
When I did the last show with George Norrie on this subject matter, my website took a quarter million hits.
And for the days that followed, I had 100 emails a day for almost three straight weeks from people that felt that they were victims of this kind of thing.
Of that percentage, or just generally, of the percentage that you get in your business, how many actually percentage-wise turn out to be indeed the victim of something of that sort?
When we go there and we use our spectrum analyzing systems, and my analyzer goes up to 18 gigahertz, we normally find that these people are sitting right either on top of a cell site or are online with some kind of T1 link and that there are real microwave energies passing through their location.
And of course, a lot of these people feel that they're a victim of government experimentation under Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520.
I think that a lot of these people are because their story is the same, and they all have had a conflict with the government.
They're whistleblowers, or they're somebody that has gotten into a situation of where they were a drug dealer prior.
There's a lot of people that have these kind of frictions, and it's apparent that some of these black ops development programs are spilling over onto the citizens.
Well, you know, when the original Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520, originally said that the government, that the Department of Defense and their contractors could do bioweapons experiments on citizens with only 30 days' notice to anybody in authority.
1520 was repealed, and we said, wow, we really did something here.
Then in the 1997 military appropriations bill, a new one was passed.
Then they put through 1520A, which says that they can't do it to any civilian population without getting their permission, with the exception of any law enforcement purpose.
So the question becomes, what happens if you have a Rodney King event and you have an uprising?
Can you then move the power level of all the cell sites, which are a gigantic matrix in the city, up to levels that would enable transmitting wave patterns that would cause people to be docile and unable to concentrate?
Why can't you bring up a big dark van that simply gets in the area of the mass disturbance and begins to irradiate everybody to the point of confusion or to make them docile or whatever?
Well, the cell sites are the in-place matrix that you don't need to put people at risk in vans.
You just take the cell site, bring the power levels up to the levels necessary, and saturate the area with those frequencies.
And keep in mind, like I said, I've got the patents right here for not only microwave hearing, which of course was issued in 1991, and There was also patents that are issued for these biochips, which is a whole other little story right here.
And by the way, I heard the fellow you had on last night, the nanotechnologist.
Yeah, and if you don't think there's going to be lots of applications for nanotechnology in the world of bugs and hearing and seeing devices, well, we're going to get there just by substitution in the sense that as your part fails, they're going to put a new one in.
Well, I've worked for a lot of people that were, let's just call them very organized organizations that had all different kinds of enterprises.
And the nice thing about working with those kind of people is that they don't litigate, you know, they terminate.
And, you know, I had some good advice years ago when I first started.
I got invited to do some work for some people in Las Vegas by an older investigator because I was in my early 20s then.
He said, you know, you're going to like working for these people because they're going to take a suitcase out with money in it.
They're going to pay you what you want.
He said, just don't say to these people that you can do something that you can't do because you're going to end up out, he pointed out in the desert, you know, back in those days it was pretty barren.
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They said, you're going to end up out there face down.
As a matter of fact, I did have one situation there that got a little heavy-duty.
But, you know what happens is if there's a lawful warrant to wiretap somebody, I certainly don't want to interfere with it.
Certainly I don't want to be charged with obstruction of justice, which in fact is the way it happens, yeah.
So what has to happen is, and I've told those agencies before, you know, if you find that you've got surveillance on a place and you find me, might go in there and you identify that I'm there, you know, just let me know and I will find a reason to bow out and get myself out of that situation.
Well, you know, at one time, of course, the city that which the lights I can see when I look out my window, you look across the mountain here and you can see the lights of Las Vegas from my front porch.
These are different events that took place at different times in a timeline of over a lot of years.
But there was one particular religion that had their own security forces, and, you know, I'm not going to name who it is, but they actually were very aggressive about harassing people that said anything about them.
As long as they're not breaking the law, and then, in fact, you're entitled to have somebody come in and tell you whether your Fourth Amendment privacy is intact.
But again, so many people who would be concerned or worried about a bug or electronic surveillance or even something as serious as harassment, many of these people are worried with cause.
As I say, though, the way I think I came to terms with it, Roger, was because of the fact that I've done talk shows and controversial ones, very controversial ones at that, sometimes about extremely sensitive things that I just assume I'm listened to.
The wealthiest people are the ones that want to make sure they've got the privacy.
They may put money to make sure that your privacy gets legislated out of the way.
But take it from me, these people that are in the top, that are pulling the strings, including Howard Hughes, because he used to have his phone swept there on the top of the desert in.
All those people, they definitely want to make sure that their information and their acts and their strategies are unheard by anybody.
Well, that happened because Hughes refused to show up for a license.
You know, the man was a recluse.
He wouldn't come down to meet, you know, prior to that, all those gambling licenses had to be for particular individuals that were willing to go in front of the gaming commission.
In the meantime, let's talk for a second about, and I know people want to know about this, how do they recognize if they are a victim of harassment or something even less?
You know, if you don't have $100,000 worth of gear and somebody that knows how to operate them with the proper experience to look at things like radar charts, you know, we use time-domain reflectometry, which is a radar system that radars telephone cables and shoots pulses down the cable.
And those pulses go down and they hit the impedances of the different terminal blocks, they send back reflections.
And all those things kind of look like a heartbeat cardiogram that you get from a heartbeat doctor.
And, you know, those are the things I've looked at 25,000 charts.
And like any heartbeat or cardiac doctor, I can tell you what part of the valve isn't working right, you know, or whether the aorta isn't pumping.
And, you know, it's just a matter of this whole business that I'm in is wave interpretation.
This happened to me, so it's an easy story to tell.
Here, in order to accomplish the program, to get the program from point A to point B, we have a KU band up link in my backyard, which transmits the program up and then, you know, to LA and then all the world, right?
So I've got that.
Then I also have internet here from a very good local company that provides microwave internet.
That's how I get my internet.
It comes by microwave, and I supply a tower to retransmit it from here.
So I've got that.
And one night, Roger, I was on the air.
Now, keep in mind, I live pretty close to Area 51, and the network began to lose me.
So I ran into the next room, you know, in an emergency situation, and I looked at the uplink, and I could see the received signal from, at that time, Oregon, was falling steadily down past the point where it would work.
In other words, it got so low that we lost lock.
And then my signal back to them was falling at the same rate.
Now, check this out, Roger.
That night, a microwave blanket of some sort descended on this valley.
And this company has nine towers scattered around the valley that transmit 2.4 gigs of internet.
They chart everything.
So they've got little charts on every one of the receivers and transmitters so they can see the amount of bandwidth that's going.
And at the exact time that my uplink failed, every single one of the transmitters and retransmitters also failed.
A program we were recording on satellite television stopped recording.
It just went blank.
In other words, some god-forsaken, gigantic electromagnetic blanket of some sort descended on this valley for about a half an hour.
Hey, what do you think they do with those aircraft?
You think they just fly them over the ocean?
You've got to have some signals to work with, man.
Sure.
Sure.
And those guys are a bunch of young, smart guys.
And those aircraft are awesome.
I mean, they pick up wave.
You shoot a wave at them, and they've got computers that will analyze that wave in microseconds and synthesize something to beam right back at you that's going to turn your stuff into mush.
Well, I have been told that I cause the threat receivers of like the F-16s that go over our house frequently and other military aircraft which are just all over the place.
I actually cause the threat receivers to come on, which I've always worried about because if somebody should hit the pickle at the wrong moment, I'm toast.
Before I forget about it, I want to throw this one out there, see if anybody knows about it.
I have a harassment victim, and she went away from her car, and when she came back to her car, somebody had left a red baseball cap.
And I've got pictures of this baseball cap now because we visited and looked at it firsthand.
On the back of the cap is embroidered, we deny that we exist.
And on the front of the cap is a man's profile with the top half of his head hinged and flipped open with a microwave antenna sticking out of his skull.
Well, of course, I mean, such a thing could be a joke, but I suppose when you connect it with somebody who's actually being harassed, then it's not such a joke.
And he would tune in, and there's pictures of him and his, I've got pictures of him and his early equipment.
There's a whole picture of his 50s equipment there.
It's wonderful.
And he would tune in the feds, and the feds would be radioing back and forth, boy-ni, they'd be singing on their, they're thinking, boy, knee, boy, knee, boy, knee, do you hear us?
You know, they, because they knew he was a specialist in this kind of stuff.
And he was listening.
It was funny.
So it was a real cat and mouse kind of thing.
A great little piece of history, bug sweeping history.
And I don't know whether you're familiar with the surgery where they put a catheter up your leg for people, as an example, that need a stent in their neck because their arteries are closing up to their brain, and they can actually thread this thing up through your veins and past your heart, up into your neck.
If you see the Safe Medical Devices Act, which became law in 1990, it requires the U.S. manufacturers of implants and medical devices to adopt a method for identifying and tracking their product permanently implanted in humans.
So there are chips in these devices now so that they can scan them and get serial numbers and know when they were manufactured.
So those breast implants and pacemakers and replacement heart valves and prosthetic devices now, a lot of them have chips in them.
Yeah, but back in those days when you consider in the 60s, you know, these people were there.
I've got pictures of some of the original bug makers using the new transistors and sticking together stuff that's pretty small.
That actually is small for its day.
It wasn't quite microchip size, but it was pretty creative stuff.
They put all kinds of bugs in wall sockets using carrier current where they put a microphone in a wall socket and then take the room audio out, writing on the electricity.
Broadband over power lines is a plan to turn, to the horror, I might add, of ham radio operators, all the electric lines of the United States into carriers of the Internet so that anybody in their home can just plug into the wall, and when they plug their computer into the wall, they're connected to the Internet.
It sounds wonderful, but it is going to produce horrendous interference across the radio spectrum, and there's a giant fight now going on about whether it should be allowed or not.
But if you have high-speed Internet coming into every single home in America, imagine the possibilities of whether you've subscribed or not, Roger, to, I mean, once you put high-speed access everywhere, then all you need is a little teeny-weeny camera or the teeny-weeny microphone and a little teeny-weenie circuit, and it plugged in the wall, and that's it, baby.
Yeah, well, 1984, George Orwell was a true prophet.
And if you read 1984, you'll find the justification of Big Brother was that there was some evil force, an evildoer out there, somebody that wants to get us that everybody needs to sacrifice their privacy for so that we will not be overcome by this dark force.
Everybody in America ought to reread 1984 because this man was a prophet.
And when you look at TV commercials now, there's one about identity theft that's kind of cute, where this old lady's laughing about this wonderful car she got because she stole somebody's identity.
And I mean, once you've got a person's social security number, and maybe then you get their credit card number, their date of birth, I mean, how much do you need before you can steal a person's life?
And I know it's a horrible, crushing thing to happen to people who really talk about a major headache and a paper blizzard that's necessary to repair it.
How many times do you discover a microphone or surveillance or something illegal and then get to go to the authorities yourself and say, okay, look, here's what we've got here.
Well, the way we handle it is we meet with the legal counsel of the victim.
And the legal counsel at that point steps in.
We provide photographic evidence and written affidavits about the fine and all that.
We allow them to go forward with what they decide to do because in some cases they decide to leave the listening device in place and send it bad information for a period of time.
As a matter of fact, I had one case where I had this very wealthy man call me from Palm Springs.
He said, oh, my God, they made a tape of me and my girlfriend making love.
And I said, well, who's your girlfriend?
He says, well, she's his famous movie star.
Oh, man.
He said, and not only that, but what happened was the people that made this tape took the tape and put it in a box and put it on her front doorstep and rang the doorbell.
And when she opened it up, she played the tape and here she is making love.
So I went out to this extremely expensive hilltop mansion out there.
And this guy plays the tape for me.
And believe me, you immediately know what star it was.
And she is a screamer.
I mean, this tape was one spicy meatball.
At any rate, what we determined by listening to the tape is that the tape was somebody snuck a voice-activated tape machine into the room.
I could tell it wasn't modulated like a transmitter would have caused an FM transmitter.
We swept the place out.
We figured it was a dropped recorder.
I took the tape back to Hollywood to give to my friend Norm Pearl, who at that time was a tape expert.
He was analyzed tapes.
He actually worked on Watergate tapes as well.
He's since passed on to the Spirit World.
He's a wonderful guy.
Anyway, to make a long story short, I get this phone call about four hours later.
The client calls me up.
He says, oh my God, she called the president.
The FBI is on his way to your house, over there where you are, to pick up the tape.
So sure enough, the doorbell rings about two hours later, a great-looking FBI agent lady in a suit puts her identification through the door.
And I said, okay.
And she gave me a receipt for the tape, and that's the last I saw of it.
Well, obviously, a lot of people are going to have questions for you, and I've got them gathered up in a row here.
One never knows when one goes to the phone.
But here we go.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Roger.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, hello.
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Yes, I'd like to make a comment.
I think that what Roger had to say tonight was very, very important.
A lot of people don't realize how important.
Several months back, I went to two lectures, and one was by a former LAPD investigator whose whole family was CIA, FBI, and they totally had clearance.
The other one was a man who was for nine years the head of the FBI offices in Los Angeles and for seven years the head of the FBI offices in Dallas.
And what Roger had to say is totally true.
It is so important for us to not give up our Bill of Rights.
And a lot of these laws are being put in place similar to the way they happened in Nazi Germany.
The population gets behind it because they are propagandized into believing that there's a terrible threat and you have to give up your personal freedoms in order to protect yourself.
And then in moves a totalitarian regime.
And what these gentlemen brought out was that it is a plan to segregate wealth and have total power in order to continue doing it.
Okay, well, I wouldn't know about the motivation behind it, but I suppose power and money, like everything else.
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The man that was the LAPD investigator for many years put together his report according to the formula that he had to use when he was putting together a grand jury investigation.
But I would like, Roger, to ask you whether you think that this is an irreversible road that we're now going down, that our freedoms will end up being totally eroded at some point because of the perceived or real threat.
I don't know.
I mean, I do.
There is a threat to this country, Roger.
There's no question about that.
There is.
But do you think there's some grand conspiracy to make that threat into more than it is or to use it to actually turn America into a totalitarian type state?
Well, I think there is a general New World Order plan where the international corporations will get rid of individual governments and constitutions and try to regulate everything from a corporate status.
But in this country, the power for the government is derived from the people, and the people need to wake up and remember that that's the case, and that these people are their public servants, and they better get with making sure that these freedoms aren't crushed.
You know, I guess I'm old-fashioned in that I still believe that most Americans have American values, and that may be very naive, and I know I'll get a million emails, but even most government agents and people in elected positions,
the majority of them really do think they're forwarding those values, and it's hard to believe there's some master plan to turn this into another Iraq before we got there.
Well, that little slice of commerce that you just used as an example, isn't that a natural process underway, Roger?
In other words, if you can get widgets made for $2 instead of $10 because you're getting them made in Hong Kong or up in Red China or Japan or whatever, then you're going to – business is going to seek – What country does your grandchildren live in?
Oh, look, there's a lot.
Freedom also applies to people making decisions About taking their business to Hong Kong and that sort of thing, too.
I'm reminded of Marshall McLuhan's late 1960 essay, The Death of Privacy with the Advent of the Automated Banking Machine and how the technology has really accelerated this.
My question is, I guess, a very basic one.
I had purchased a video camera detector at a very big electronics chain for under $50, and it's called a P3 unit.
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And where I live in New York, let's be straight on what we mean.
And it's rather interesting because where I'm living in Brooklyn, as are many of my friends, the houses are very old, well over 100 years.
So in a sense, when we tried it in the different apartments, we got all sorts of interesting readings indicating that there was a presence of either an electronic eavesdropping device or a video camera.
But I was mentioning that when these buildings were built, there wasn't really electricity and different things.
So there's been a lot of additions made to the structures of the buildings and things, especially with phone lines, electric lines and things.
And I was wondering what your guest thinks of the quality of that type of unit, or is it just sort of not very precise picks up a lot?
They're basically simple field strength meters, but the problem you're up against is that the 802.11 protocol at the Wi-Fi protocol, and it's everywhere.
When you run a net sniffer, you'll find that there could be 10, 15 access points in your neighborhood, and that's all 2.4.
Anybody running a microwave oven is 2.4.
And anybody running a cordless phone at 2.4, they're all tripping.
It's getting to the point, to be honest with you, where, for example, if you buy a 2.4 phone and you bring it home and you get your internet, as I do, by 2.4, you quickly realize the moment you pick up your telephone, your internet dies.
So these services are getting so prolific, they're interfering with each other.
And so I was about to ask you about the electronic battlefield of interference that must be out there right now.
Okay, but still, when you go into an environment, tell me how you delineate between microwave ovens, microwave internet, telephones, wireless television transmitters on 2.4.
How do you dig through all of that mush to find whether there's really I put it up on the surveillance receiver and I look at the modulation format of the wave pattern.
And so then you can go into an environment, and so the answer to his question, and the little device he has, is just sort of a totally general, let's go find some 2.4 radiation, even if it's from the microwave oven kind of deal.
So if he were, for example, sniffing along his wall and that little device that he had went nuts and over the top, then, of course, he might have reason to believe that, huh, something's localized and right here in my wall, right?
I guess that this kind of thing has been going on forever, ever since we've had the capability of doing it.
It's just that in this modern day and age, it's an awful lot easier.
And so, really, Roger, other than physical symptoms, for example, as awful as that would be, you don't, other than calling someone like you, there's no way to know if you're bugged, is there?
And I was fully clothed and everything, and that's what I was able to film, was videotape with these shocking sensations and these outrageous body convulsions that I've been going through and have been experiencing.
Okay, and so you had a videotape of yourself convulsing?
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Well, it shows like electrical shock.
Now, this is done over a period of like a few weeks.
And what I did is I just, what you do is I videotape myself and I simply fast-forwarded to when I woke up and then went into real-time mode to see what woke me up.
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And, you know, I just regard them as any other person having a Fourth Amendment right, and we provide services to them and do just a competent job as we do for an individual.
Listen, I'd like to ask Roger a question, but real briefly, I'd like to say, first of all, Roger, I want to thank you for making the statement that you did regarding the evolution towards a one-world government, because I happen to share that view.
And I'd like to bring to both your attention and Arts, in case you're not already aware of the gentleman.
A gentleman by the name of Gary Ka, last name is spelled K-A-H.
He's a former trade specialist with the state of Indiana, and he has traveled all around the world.
And through his career, he learned about organizations that are promoting exactly that.
He's authored several books, and he's been speaking publicly about it for well over a decade.
Okay.
The one question I'd like to ask you, Roger, and let me say up front that if you can't answer this, I will respect that.
But I would like to know that during the course of your company's processes of protecting your clients and providing your security services, have there ever been occasions when law enforcement agencies and or government officials have abused their power and authority and intimidated you to stop investigations that were perfectly legal for both your client as well as your company?
Well, what happened was the wiretaps that I had discovered were actually illegal.
They didn't have warrants for them, and then they figured they'd just kick your butt.
They'd blast me, and that would take care of it.
But then once they realized that I had the evidence of, you know, we call them wildcats when there's a tap that's been put on by agents that didn't have a warrant.
And so when the wildcats became apparent, all of a sudden they decided, well, he's an okay guy.
Well, you know, same thing for Art Bell, taking on the heavy stuff he does, but he does it night after night because he's got that kind of spirit that's not intimidated.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Roger Tulsis.
Hello.
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Can you hear me?
I'd like to bring together two or three points.
One, about cancer being caused by food that are things that we drink, say like mercury and water and some other things, things that we consume that would act as a storage mechanism of radiation in our body to cause cancer, like radiated foods.
Is that a threat?
And number two, these body implants, these tracking devices like Whitley Striever had in, and I don't know if you know about that or not.
Dart had a doctor on there that took out, at least last, I heard eight of these implants.
And I wonder if you investigated that, and how much would it cost to find out if one had been implanted in you?
I was in a hospital last year, and they had a stent put in me to put dye on my body to see if I had heart trouble.
And I got to thinking, put one of those things on my body, and are they having hospitals to do these things to people when they're without their knowing it?
How much would you charge if somebody like that man came to you and said, look, I really do want to know if something in my body is radiating any signal at all?
Yeah, if they come to us, we charge them about $500, and it takes us about five to six hours to go through the whole thing because generally they want to sit and talk for an extended period of time about the situation that surrounds their receiving the implant.
And then, of course, we have information that if you were to stack it up, would be about four foot high that they can look at.
And then we sit there and try to, after making measurements and things, if they do have one, there's quite a bit to talk about.
There are companies, satellite companies, that are sending people letters, Roger, this is true, virtually accusing them of having a device capable of duplicating one of these satellite cards and then sort of,
I guess, making the assumption that they must have used the device for that and offering them ways out to pay their way out of the thing.
It's kind of strange.
I don't know whether you've heard about it, but it is, in fact, going on, Roger.
Well, what I'm saying is, yes, but just they're approaching these people just based on the fact that they ordered a device capable of duplicating the cards.
That's it.
It's interesting.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Roger Tulsis.
However, once you get up to that frequency, those frequencies become very difficult to control and to transmit, and you need very highly directional horns to move them.
So most of the devices that we're dealing with are in the 800 megahertz up to about 6 gig.
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Well, this would be for neighbors next door to an apartment, and it would just be for everyday surveillance.
Well, let me turn that into sort of another question.
It is my understanding, Roger, that the Federal Communications Commission now has elaborate, incredible, it would shock you if you knew how good they were equipment for tracking even HF-type signals that reflect off the ionosphere, and they can nail it down to a little tiny area.
If people knew how good the FCC is, they wouldn't be doing a lot of things you're doing.
I'll tell you that.
So have you had any brushes with the FCC?
I mean, after all, they are in control of a lot of what's transmitted in the airwaves legally.
No, I don't have any conflicts because I don't transmit.
But I do know that if you put these receiving systems in aviation aircraft like these UX that we were talking about, or you use satellites, or you just have a good truck that has all that automated reception equipment, you can pin things down, yeah.
Well, next time you look around, look at Westcam, because Westcam is a situation, and the news helicopters use it, whereby you put the coordinates of the GPS where your receiving antenna is.
Well, you know, if I could find an author to work with me, I just don't have anybody that's a competent author.
So if there's a competent author out there that would like to sit down and talk about 2,500 sweeps and the incredible people, that would be interesting to do.
I just don't have, you know, I'm working right now.
I haven't been home in several weeks.
I've been going from sweep to sweep to sweep, and I work at nights.
We come in after everybody goes home, six o'clock at night, and that way we've got the offices and the phone systems clear, and we're kind of like night ghouls.
So the best way to contact you is the final and probably most important question for people who have been listening and really do want to contact you through the website or why?