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Oct. 9, 2002 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Whitley Strieber, Roger Leir, Linda Howe, Bill Hamilton - UFO Symposium

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	From the high desert and the great American southwest.
	Let me do all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever time it may be, wherever you are in the world, the known universe.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	And I don't know how I'm going to get all this information out tonight.
	There is so much to talk to you about, but I'll just try and do it in order.
	Welcome to double, uh, that'd be KKAA, actually.
	Uh, or KKAA, KKAA, KKAA.
	Or KKAA, KKAA, KKAA, that's a pretty neat set of call letters.
	KKAA, Aberdeen, South Dakota.
	1560 on the dial.
	And probably heard regionally, I would think, throughout several states there.
	The GM, Rob Feller, and the PB, Mike Johnson.
	Buckle in, you guys.
	It'll take you a while to get used to whatever it is this nighttime program we have is.
	You'll get used to it.
	Or not.
	It's really hard tonight to know where to begin, as I said, so I'll just, I'll kind of keep plowing through.
	Next hour begins what, in Whitley Streber's words, will be the most incredible UFO show anybody has ever done, anywhere, anytime.
	That's a pretty good promo, huh?
	Actually, we're going to have Dr. Roger Lear on.
	He'll be with us.
	We're going to have Bill Hamilton on.
	He'll be with us.
	And we'll have Linda Moulton Howell on.
	She will be with us.
	Three of the most incredible stories you've ever heard in your whole life.
	Again, prioritizing for my show tonight is very difficult because there's so much going on now out there in the real world.
	And I use that term very loosely.
	As I'm sure you've been hearing, there is a sniper in the Washington, D.C., Maryland, Virginia area.
	A sniper.
	A sniper who has now shot six, maybe now seven.
	A man was shot dead while pumping gas in Virginia on Wednesday night.
	Police are trying to determine whether he might be the latest victim of the sniper who's been terrorizing the Washington, D.C.
	area for a week now.
	Meanwhile, a tarot card with the words, Dear Policeman, I am God emerged as a potential clue to the whole mess.
	Virginia State Police said two males were seen driving away in a white vehicle after the shooting at the station in Prince William County near Manassas, 30 miles west of the nation's capital.
	Sergeant Kim Chin said one man was killed, but said few other details.
	She said police didn't know where the shots came from, how many shots were fired, or anything else.
	Police had blocked off several streets around the gas station.
	They were interviewing people at the scene.
	Actually, the detective on the scene is angry that certain information has been released.
	I would presume he means clues like the tarot card.
	And the reason They get upset about this sort of thing is because you've got to hold something back.
	If you ever want to make sure you got the right person, if you get them, you've got to know something the killer doesn't know.
	That might be the tarot card.
	Or who knows, it might be the shell casing.
	It might be some bit of information that somehow got out to the public when it should not have.
	And then you'll never be sure.
	Never.
	so this is uh... this is some pretty real uh... real world terror to be sure what's going on back there and you've got to wonder what would possess maybe that's a good word too what would possess a person to begin killing randomly maybe possess is the right word it is just so completely anti-human so completely evil that I think it is appropriate to wonder if there might be something that we think of as the real evil involved.
	I sure do.
	And if you've ever looked at Charlie Manson, he's done a lot of TV interviews and that kind of stuff.
	He is the embodiment of evil.
	That kind of random, insane killing.
	That ritualistic, crazy killing.
	That's, uh, that's evil.
	Anyway, there's a good chance it's evil.
	Thought I'd run that by you and see what you thought.
	And then here's a secondary story, another story that I think is so important, I almost threw it up front.
	But on my website tonight is a photograph of a crop circle.
	Now, either I missed it, or everybody missed it, or I don't know who was sitting in this chair at the time.
	Maybe it wasn't me.
	It was in August.
	Apparently.
	It's on my website now, and let me read you what's on the crop circle connector, a little bit of what's up there anyway.
	All right?
	M.J.
	Fussell, editor of the crop circle connector website, Seemed a little flustered on the phone as he tried to inform me of a new crop glyph that he'd learned of the previous evening.
	From my end, he sounded as if he was foaming at the mouth as he breathlessly tried to fill me in, all I got of any real value, were the words alien and coded disk.
	Watch.
	See it for yourself.
	I'm uploading the image right now.
	I'm still reading.
	As the image of this most perplexing of crop formations appeared on the silent Circle Cafe computer screen, faces filled with amazement, coupled with gasps of disbelief, which permeated the building, human reaction to perceived alien contact.
	A very interesting thing to witness indeed.
	What we were looking at was, without doubt, the most stunning, atmospheric, indeed the most sinister crop glyph that has appeared to date.
	An alien with a CD.
	Now that's outrageous, but there it was, stretched across a field of ripe wheat in far-out Hampshire.
	Our minds were made up then and there.
	We had to get on the site as soon as possible.
	Something that subtle would, no doubt, take a severe battering from hordes of visitors.
	With this in mind, the exact location of the new glyph was acquired, and we were on our way.
	They say, very much like the 2001 Chilbolton Face and Message formations, subjectively, there were very strange and oppressive feelings within the new arrival.
	One could almost say feelings of foreboding and awe were the overriding flavors of this event indeed, as indeed was the impression we both felt almost exactly one year earlier at Chilbolton, just nine miles away.
	It really did seem the same agency Carefully chosen where it had been at were.
	Only this time, the finished product is utterly staggering.
	Above and below.
	Above and below, the 2001 event seemed positively crude in comparison to this masterpiece.
	That alone is quite a statement when one considers reaction to those events at the time.
	Indeed, we reacted heavily here, didn't we?
	One or other interesting points of relationship include the fact the new arrival is positioned on the highest point in the locality, as was the case at Chilbolton.
	I could go on, but what you should do is see these pictures.
	They're on my website right now.
	And what we have here, you know, they called it a CD.
	I'm not sure I would call it a CD at all.
	It's obviously, it's obviously some kind of a message.
	Encrypted or otherwise, I don't know, but it's in... I would say it's a digital message.
	That's what I think it might be.
	I'm just guessing.
	Who am I?
	Which is located immediately adjacent to the picture of what's obviously an alien.
	Classic, big-eyed, gray-type alien.
	I'm telling you, this one will bowl you over.
	Just bowl you over.
	It's on my website right now.
	Artbell.com.
	I would ask that you take a look.
	It's actually not the first item, believe it or not, under what's new.
	It's like the third or something like that.
	Let me see.
	Ah, let me see.
	Yes.
	Third item down.
	New crop circle with alien code.
	That's what it says on the website.
	I mean, that's really just too much.
	I have in my years Looked at crop circles.
	Jill Bolton was a jolt last year.
	And, you know, I don't know what you can believe, I guess, what you wish about crop circles.
	However, one thing's for sure.
	If this is not fake, I guess you could say big if, then this is contact.
	This is contact.
	This is them telling us something.
	I don't know what.
	But it's contact.
	Or it's a total fraud.
	Who knows?
	So would you please make your way to my website.
	I'd be glad to collect your comments.
	We're going to have open lines for the balance of this hour.
	And then next hour we're going to uh... launch with whitley and i'm telling you this is going
	to be a big program so if you would stay right where you are
	will be right back so tomorrow night in the first hour of the mentions were
	going to canister long fbi retired
	heard.
	Bye.
	Who if uh... if this uh... this killer back east is not caught she's gonna come on tomorrow at least in a sketchy way try and give us a a some kind of profile of what this uh... what this maniac must must be all about what they do in the FBI they profile the kind of person I guess it could commit this kind of crime and now they do have a profile of this kind of person I guess be interesting The President gained more Democrat support for his war resolution Wednesday, bolstering his expected margin of victory in Congress for broad authority to use force in Iraq.
	So, we'll see what happens.
	Less success on the international front.
	A 25-minute phone call between Bush and the French President failed to produce a breakthrough of any kind.
	And so the French, you know, if you read in between the lines, the French aren't going to help.
	They're not interested in participating in any of this.
	They don't want any part of it.
	Those are my words.
	Because that's usual for the French.
	The leader of an Islamic charity was indicted Wednesday.
	Charges of funneling donations to Osama Bin Laden's terrorist network.
	With the Attorney General John Ashcroft vowing, we will find the sources of terrorist blood money.
	I told you Wall Street took a dive.
	Another one.
	215 points.
	Five-year low.
	All across the board.
	Earnings disappointments, downgrades, bad news.
	And I felt like you should hear this story tonight.
	Brace yourself.
	The United States held open-air biological and chemical weapons tests in at least four states.
	Now, so that you know where this comes from, it's Associated Press.
	You can go look it up for yourself.
	A series of tests in Alaska from 1965 through 1967 used Artillery shells and bombs filled with nerve agents, sarin and VX, according to records.
	The Defense Department planned to release summaries of 28 chemical and biological weapons tests at a House Veterans Affairs Committee hearing Wednesday.
	The documents did not say whether the civilians, any civilians, any of us, had been exposed to the poisons military personnel exposed to weapons agents would have worn protective gear, said the Pentagon.
	The Pentagon previously acknowledged it had conducted biological and chemical tests, but this was the first time it disclosed that some tests were conducted over land, not at sea.
	The tests were part of Project 112, a military program in the 1960s and 70s to test chemical and biological weapons and defenses against them.
	Parts of the testing program done on Navy ships were called Project SHAD.
	That's S-H-A-D, or Shipboard Hazard and Defense.
	The tests were directed from the Deseret Test Center, part of a biological and chemical weapons complex in the Utah desert.
	Some of those involved in the tests say they now suffer health problems linked to their exposure to dangerous chemicals and germs.
	They're pressing the Veterans Affairs Department to compensate them and the Defense Department to release more information about all that testing.
	In response to pressure from veterans and Congress, Pentagon began releasing details of the test last year, earlier this year.
	The Defense Department acknowledged for the first time some of the 1960s tests used real chemical and biological weapons, not just benign stand-ins.
	Well, gee, I didn't know that.
	The Cold War era experiments of Project Shad, which were now Which we're now learning used live toxins and chemical poisons on American servicemen on American soil.
	And all this must be aggressively investigated in as open and transparent a manner as possible.
	That's a quote from House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Representative Chris Smith from New Jersey.
	Our focus, he says, must be on quickly identifying those veterans who are involved, assessing whether they suffered any negative health consequences and, if warranted, providing them with adequate health care and compensation for their service.
	The tests described in latest Pentagon documents include Devil Hole One, designed to show how sarin gas would disperse after being released in artillery shells and rockets in aspen and spruce forests.
	Ah, great.
	The tests occurred in the summer of 1965 at the Gristle River Test Site near Fort Greeley, Alaska.
	Gee, you guys up there will be Happy to hear that, I'm sure.
	Devil Hole 2 tested how nerve agent VX behaved when dispersed with artillery shells.
	The test at Griswold Riverside in Alaska also included mannequins in military uniforms and military trucks.
	VX, one of the deadliest nerve agents known, is persistent in the environment because it's a sticky liquid that evaporates very slowly.
	Iraq, by the way, has acknowledged making tons of that.
	Big Tom!
	There was another test.
	What was Big Tom?
	A 65 test that included spraying bacteria over the Hawaiian island of Oahu to simulate a biological attack on an island compound and to develop tactics for any such attack.
	The test, get this folks, used bacillus lobegi.
	That's D-L-O-B-I-G-I-I, bacillus B. That would be a bacterium believed at the time, that's very important, that believed at the time to be harmless.
	Researchers later discovered the bacteria could cause infections in people with weakened immune systems.
	God, so we sprayed this over Oahu?
	Just, pssh, over Oahu?
	We did that?
	We sprayed our own people, the island of Oahu, it said in here, with bacillus whatever, that would cause people with weakened immune systems to get sick.
	I mean, that's incredible to me.
	That our own government would do this to us is... Oh, but I'm naive, huh?
	I guess I'm naive.
	You see, I grew up, you know, I was born in the mid-forties, grew up in the fifties.
	Well, did I really grow up in the fifties?
	Have I ever grown up?
	I don't know.
	But, you know, my formative years, fifties and sixties, you know, it just To me, it didn't seem like our American government, OUR American government, would do that to us.
	Even in the name of testing, in the name of trying to find something out, to spray an entire one of our own islands, our own people, I guess Hawaii would be good.
	An island in Hawaii would be good, right?
	Because it is an island, and you could track certain people, and if they all of a sudden start getting sick, or you wanted to see how it spread, well, an island is a great place to do that, isn't it?
	Because there's nowhere to run.
	So you simply run the airplane overhead, spraying whatever, and you wait and see what happens.
	Well, you know what?
	In a lot of ways, I hope I never grow up.
	And that's probably a pretty safe bet.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Whitebird in a golden cage, on a winter's day, in the rain.
	Whitebird in a golden cage, alone.
	The leaves blow, across the long black road, to the darkened sky, in its rage.
	But the whitebird just sits in her cage, unknown.
	Whitebird must fly, she will die.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
	Oh, there is just one more little thing before we go to open lines here in a moment.
	Maybe it's not such a little thing.
	On my website tonight, Is another item that, uh, during the week, when people send me things during the week, I squirrel them away until Wednesday, and this was squirreled.
	There's a, uh, there's a link to a website that has a picture that I feel absolutely compelled to tell you to go look at.
	It's the, it's a photograph of a shadow person.
	I mean, there's simply no question about it.
	This was taken with a webcam.
	In a house where some anomalous things went on.
	If you want to see the whole thing, under what's new, you'll see a photograph of a shadow person.
	Follow the link.
	And, oh boy, does this look like a shadow person.
	Oh boy, does this look like a shadow person!
	Up near the ceiling of this room.
	That's right, suspended up above the bed.
	In sort of half form.
	And you'll see the person disintegrate in the second photograph into a formless mass.
	I mean, but this is so... It's gotta be the best photograph, as it were, other than the scary photograph we had of what appeared to be a shadow person over on top of this boy with his hands around a little boy's neck.
	You remember that one, right?
	Well, this one Just about as bad in its own way, or as good, depending on your point of view.
	It's very, very clear.
	Frighteningly clear.
	By the way, this year, speaking of scary stuff, on Halloween, we will, as usual, I can assure you, do Ghost to Ghost.
	So, Ghost to Ghost is coming up on Halloween.
	I will do Halloween here, and we'll do Ghost to Ghost.
	All that in mind, we go Open Lines in a moment.
	Stay right where you are.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	Into the land of the unknown, Open Lines.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	How are you this morning?
	Just spiffy.
	Good.
	You heard me talking about these experiments, and in today's... I'm calling, by the way, from South Florida.
	WIOD-610 is where I pick you up.
	Yes, sir.
	And in the Sun Sentinel, which is the Fort Lauderdale newspaper down here, there was an article this morning that acknowledges the use of toxic weapons on troops during the Cold War testing, such as VX, CS, and CX gas.
	Yeah, that's what I was reading about.
	Right, and they go ahead and they name, it was also used in Canada, Great Britain, Florida, Alaska, Hawaii, and Maryland.
	And it says that some of them were benign substances to mimic Well, what happened?
	Well, some of these so-called benign substances, thought to be at the time, now are known not to be at all.
	They made people sick.
	Oh, God.
	You know, it's so hard to listen to this and to believe that our own government could do this to us.
	It blows me away.
	well another thing to that i picked up on the evening news tonight
	uh... just before i went to bed before i came to work tonight uh... was the fact
	that uh... one of the agents that they sprayed down here was to mimic uh...
	uh... an agent that would kill wheat and since florida didn't have any wheat they want to try
	that experiment down here or so do you think they want to use it against the
	money washout it doesn't mean
	did you say we have a shop did you say what we did you say we'd or weak
	as in as in wheat that grows As in wheat that grows.
	As out in the Midwest.
	Yeah, Florida wouldn't be a good place to do that.
	No, no, no.
	The sugarcane is the only thing they got down here.
	But God knows what we might have picked up out of the sugar.
	That's a very good point.
	God knows why we would even do such a thing.
	I mean, I can understand, you know, I suppose, what the military would say about this.
	Well, well, how else are we going to test it?
	We can do computer projections, but we don't know if we believe those.
	You know, they would show us one thing, but we've got to really know.
	So, we're going to try and spread this so-called benign substance in Hawaii, or Florida, or wherever else.
	Alaska.
	Places, I think, where they can look at a fairly controlled population.
	You know, Alaska's pretty isolated, right?
	So it would be another candidate like that.
	That's the reason I could think they would use Alaska and Hawaii in places such as... But, I mean, this caller is saying, well, they do it, you know, basically all over the place.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	You know, as far as this DC sniper goes, we have the technology right now to catch this guy, and when I called the FBI about it, the agent I spoke to just sort of yawned at me and said, yeah, whatever.
	Like I was interrupting his web surfing.
	You know, here in South Central L.A., in California.
	Is that where you are?
	Well, close to it.
	I'm in the suburbs.
	Okay.
	They have the PD, the L.A.
	PD, has a microphone system spread out all over this vast, wide area, tied into a computer system so that when a gangbanger caps off a shot, the computers triangulate from all these microphones exactly where the shot came from, within like five feet of the spot.
	That's really interesting.
	And they can dispatch somebody right there immediately.
	It's instantaneous feedback.
	I wonder how long it took to deploy that system.
	Well, that's a permanent system, but Art, look, with wireless technology today, they could throw to an impromptu system, mobile even.
	I don't disagree.
	You're right.
	Here's the thing I think about.
	You know, the anti-government... Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	South Central L.A.
	is a very specific geographic area, and so far this This, this evildoer, this killer has hit in the DC area, in Maryland, in Virginia.
	I mean, that's an awfully wide geographic area.
	In other words, I see where you're coming from.
	The technology sounds very interesting, but this is a much bigger geographic area than just South Central L.A.
	That's why a wireless mobile system could kind of follow him around.
	You know, the manpower would cost more than the equipment.
	Yeah, but that implies that you would know where he would be going, right?
	Yeah, but he's staying in these relatively small areas, I mean, you know, to spread this thing out.
	Washington, D.C., Virginia, Maryland, that's big areas, sir.
	Yeah, but still, at the same time, it's better than waiting... I think your idea is really class A. And I think that any FBI agent who yawned at that one was out of his nut.
	But, I don't know.
	Well, Art, what I question is, the anti-gun crowd are jumping up and down because this guy's going nuts.
	I wonder if they even want to catch him.
	You know, they want to push the anti-gun agenda on the American public.
	Why not let this guy just go nuts so that they can?
	I don't buy any of that.
	I'm very pro-gun, but I don't buy any of that.
	Well, but I mean, they have the technology to at least start after this guy.
	If he knew that they were hot on his trail, he might at least stop.
	It might save a few lives.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	Thank you.
	Now, the technology that you describe is really fascinating.
	In other words, if you've got microphones, indeed, scattered around a certain geographic area and there's a gunshot, you can use sound to triangulate.
	That's a very, very, very, very good idea.
	But whether that would be useful in this particular case, over that kind of geographic area, without having it laid out ahead of time, you know, as he mentioned, in a permanent system, I don't know.
	I don't know that there'd be an application, but it's a very, very good idea.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Kathy in Oklahoma City.
	Hello, Kathy.
	Hi.
	Both my parents were in the Marine Corps, and they met at Parris Island, and were married in... You too, huh?
	Camp Pendleton, yep.
	Both my parents were Marines.
	My mom was a drill instructor for the Marine Corps.
	You can imagine that, where I was born, down in Cape Lejeune.
	Yeah, back then whenever a lady got pregnant she had to get out, at least that's what my mom told me.
	That's how my mom got out, she had me.
	Yep, so she got pregnant with me and after I was born in Camp Pendleton, six months later we moved to Oahu.
	I was born in 1963, so I was about two years old.
	And they sprayed us, and when you were speaking about Alaska, I thought, oh, shoo, I'm safe.
	I was in Hawaii.
	You were on Oahu, no doubt, right?
	Oh yeah, we were living on Red Hill, just south of Pearl Harbor, just below the big pink hospital.
	Do you ever remember looking up on a nice clear day and feeling a soft mist come down on you?
	No.
	I wonder how many times they did spray it, though, because we moved back there again when I was five and lived there until I was ten.
	Later lived on Maui.
	And I heard you worked on Maui.
	It's so gorgeous there.
	Yeah, it's gorgeous.
	I have one more question for you.
	You have some really neat pictures of a helicopter painted like a bird or a hawk.
	Oh, yes.
	And my little four-year-old son fell in love with those pictures and then you took them off.
	Oh, they're still up there somewhere.
	I can't find them.
	I can't help you.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not anywhere near as good as you probably are at locating stuff up there.
	I've got to have it brought forward for me.
	There is a search engine on the site, and probably if you go down there and enter helicopter, you might have a half-decent chance of finding them.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Good luck.
	Take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I want to say, first of all, that you're in my prayers every day.
	Thank you.
	It's good to have you on there.
	I'm calling from Tucson, Arizona, 790 KNST.
	Yes, ma'am.
	The second thing I want to tell you is a bumper sticker I saw the other day that said, Area 51 is real, the Air Force doesn't exist.
	If I can find that, I'll send it to you.
	I'd love that, yes.
	I wanted to tell you that I had a dream the other night that I was abducted.
	Now, I don't know if it was a combination of Listening, I always, you know, make sure that I listen to your program as I'm going to sleep, and I've been reading the Left Behind series by Tim LaHaye.
	Oh, yes.
	And so, I don't know if it was a combination of the two, but I was in my old neighborhood where I grew up in Northern California, and then all of a sudden there were all these lights everywhere.
	You could feel something coming, and There was a deafening silence.
	I don't know if that makes any sense.
	But it was like you couldn't hear anything.
	It was like sound was frozen.
	Yes.
	And then there were these lights everywhere, and everyone just started running.
	And no matter where you hid, they were bright white, bright red, bright blue, and bright green, and they could penetrate through anything.
	Do you think there was any chance that this dream so-called was not a dream?
	I don't know.
	The reason I called Because I heard Mr. Norrie the other night saying, or maybe there was a guest that had said that often times that these dreams are not actually dreams.
	And it was very frightening because the types of aliens that filtered in, there were lots and lots of them.
	You know it depends on what you consider reality.
	Most of us think we're grounded in reality, meaning the everyday world, but, you know, it's entirely possible that things you would see, creatures you would see, aliens you would observe, in what you might call a dream, could just as easily be a real McCoy, or it could be that your dream is prophetic, or it could be that it's just The synapses in your brain discharging in a random matter as your body heals itself during the well-known or at least reasonably understood process of sleep.
	Since she brought it up, I want to read a little bit of this to you and I have posted this on the website and just raised the hair on the back of my neck.
	And I think you're going to see why very quickly.
	Art, last night I had a dream so powerful and scary it's left me trembling with emotion.
	I felt I had to share it with you because one of those dreams I feel was more than mere imagery due to its intensity, ferocity, and utter reality.
	I was in my home with my family here in Las Vegas, just over the hill from me, And outside a storm was brewing.
	It was one of those very ugly desert storms that I'm sure you've witnessed living in Trump.
	It was daylight and wind gusts were picking up, bringing curtains of sand with them.
	Oh yes, we know them well here.
	There was also moisture in the air and sprinklets of water flying around in the frenzy.
	Oh yes, and the skies were dark gray.
	The intensity of the storm was growing.
	And any daylight available was quickly dissipating.
	It was becoming night right before my eyes.
	In the dream, I had a sense of apprehension.
	But nonetheless, I felt secure in our new home.
	After all, having lived in Las Vegas, I don't know, for 20 plus years, I've come to know these storms.
	They come, they kick butt, they leave.
	But suddenly, the intensity of the storm crossed the line.
	The wind blew past any speeds I'd ever witnessed before.
	The sound that accompanied the storm moaned away past anything I'd ever heard before.
	It felt as if something was coming.
	A tremendous feeling of impending doom came over me.
	Fear took on a new meaning.
	It was a fear I'd never felt before.
	It was as if my soul were trembling.
	I rallied the family.
	I remember seeing my father trying to shut the back doors, but he was having trouble because the wind just wouldn't allow him to do so.
	My father passed away three years ago.
	Wind was now entering the house in that instant a crashing sound that I cannot describe reverberated throughout the entire ozone.
	It was as if the earth itself were crying in pain.
	The wind shook the entire house.
	In a way it felt like an earthquake and suddenly something hit the house.
	The house collapsed.
	I saw the beams of the second story frame buckle beneath the drywall and come toward all of us who were huddled on the ground in the living room.
	The strong house, not even a year old, was falling apart and snapping like balsa wood.
	The house fell just short of squashing us.
	With all the debris and furniture, there was actually a gap of probably two feet left between the ground floor and the first ceiling.
	We scampered out of the house as the wind, the storm, blew past.
	Daylight was finally returning.
	The wind was dying down.
	You know, that sounds... I'm not going to finish it.
	You can finish it on the website if you want, but that sounds like the super storm to me.
	And it obviously affected me to a pretty good degree because I'm just over the hill and I've witnessed what this person is talking about.
	You can read the entire email on my website.
	So, in other words, there's a lot for you to see on the website tonight.
	I mean, really, a lot.
	This entire dream.
	More, of course, photos.
	The crop circle with alien photo.
	Alien and code.
	This has got to be a code.
	If this is real, then for the second time since Joe Bolton we've been contacted.
	Take a look.
	This shadow person photograph that's incredible.
	You really have to see, and I'd love to have comments on all of it.
	Oh, but there should be more time.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Well, you would have been.
	I can't put that on the air.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	I just wanted to ask if... I know you've had Steven Greer on before.
	Indeed, I have, yes.
	Yeah, and I read the book Disclosure, and I just wanted to see if you'd be able to interject and reference and find out the response of a guest tonight.
	About the book Disclosure, one of the things that struck me so powerfully was when Dr. Carol Rosen kept giving the repeated message from Wernher von Braun that there would be four separate phases of implementing the war battle technology with the ultimate goal of introducing weapons in space.
	And the first one, of course, is the Cold War.
	The second one is the war in the Middle East.
	The third is a declared war on terrorism.
	And the fourth is a war declared on alien civilization.
	The thing that's so strange is that I read this book a year and a half ago before, you know, the Before September 11th, and before I saw on CNN where they declared war on terrorism.
	That's why it was so chilling for me.
	And I wondered if you could talk to your guests about that tonight, and find out what the response would be if they've read that part.
	Because this is Wernher von Braun, the father of rocketry in this country, for goodness sakes.
	Alright, I'd be more than glad to do that for you, and I'm sure we'll touch on it.
	It is something that Dr. Greer Hounds on whenever he gets air time.
	And that is the whole weapons in space issue.
	The fact that, you know, it seems in his view, and I share this view with him, not really bright.
	If we are being visited, if there are things that traverse our airspace, it could be, you could make a pretty good case that shooting at them, you know, with missiles and stuff like that, Would be an extremely ill-advised idea.
	He's saying that's what we're doing, shooting at them.
	I don't, I don't think that's a good idea, not at all.
	Coming up, in a moment, the beginning of one of the wildest UFO programs you've ever heard.
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	Whitley Strieber hosts Dreamland on Saturdays here in the City of New York.
	He is the number one best-selling author of the landmark horror novel The Wolfen and the Million Copy Bestseller, Communion, Transformation, Confirmation.
	He's co-author of the New York Times Bestseller, The Coming Global Superstorm, with me!
	We wrote that one.
	The Last Vampire, his sequel to The Hunger, has been sold to Sony Pictures for a major motion picture.
	His latest book, Lilith's Dream, A Tale of the Vampire Life, is to be released this month.
	October, by Pocket Books.
	Whitley, one of America's leading investigators of the unexplained phenomena, will share with us tonight some truly wild new stuff.
	A couple of things to cover with Whitley, and then I'm telling you, it's going to be a wild one tonight.
	Whitley, welcome.
	Well, it's great to be here.
	It's been too long since I've been on coast, and I'm really glad to be here.
	It has been too long.
	You're down in San Antonio, right?
	That's right.
	Corporate home of Premier Radio Networks.
	In fact, the corporate home of Premier Radio Networks is about a 10-minute walk from here.
	Walk?
	Walk.
	Holy mackerel!
	You're really close, all right.
	Right.
	They're built in a residential neighborhood.
	Well, you'd better do well, then.
	They'll come get you.
	All right.
	Hey, Whitley, our book, The Coming... Two things about The Coming Global Superstorm.
	I read an article and they're coming out one after another after another.
	Yeah.
	And I swear to God, Whitley, it could be the beginning chapter of our book.
	We won that argument.
	When we first went out with our book, as you recall, we were not exactly laughed at, but accused of being alarmist.
	Oh, yes.
	Now, Discover Magazine will cover on the September issue, possible new Ice Age The director of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute saying that this could happen.
	Yeah, that's what I read.
	It has become, the National Academy of Sciences is weighed in.
	It has, what was out on the edge when we wrote our book has become mainstream.
	Yeah, I know.
	And I wish it had.
	I wonder, I was sort of musing the other, last week on the air about that, you know, to write something and then To have it begin to unfold in front of your eyes.
	That's pretty eerie stuff.
	I mean, how have you done with it?
	Well, I don't know.
	I keep looking for good news.
	I must tell you, I was delighted to find that the ozone hole over the Antarctic was getting smaller, finally.
	And it's split in two.
	It's split in two.
	But that's not really our issue.
	Our problem is this.
	As you will recall, the thing that triggers ice ages is the stopping or collapsing down from the north and up from the extreme south of ocean currents.
	And this is caused by the ...flowing of a tremendous amount of fresh water into the ocean.
	And they're measuring 20% salinity changes right now.
	Right now.
	Incredible.
	The very kind of salinity changes that caused this to happen 15,000 years ago.
	They're also measuring a slowing of the currents.
	That's right.
	I like their collapsing.
	All of this is incredible.
	And that being said, we have a movie coming out.
	We have a huge movie coming out.
	A huge movie coming out, based on our book.
	Right.
	It is inspired by Coming Global Superstorm.
	It's called The Day After Tomorrow.
	It's being made by Roland Emmerich, who made Independence Day and The Patriot.
	And so that tells you what kind of class film it's going to be, folks.
	Very, very big film.
	It's the talk of Hollywood right now, actually.
	And so that's actually, like, underway.
	Either underway or about to be underway.
	No, it is underway.
	It's underway.
	It's filming now.
	Super fast-track movie filming right now.
	Scheduled for release next July.
	And it is... I understand my manager also manages the screenplay writer, Jerry Nachmanoff, and one or two of the actors in the film.
	So I have a kind of an inside track on what's going on.
	As you know, those of us who do the writing of the books, once the film starts, we might as well have turned into ghosts just to exist.
	They don't want us anywhere near them.
	But they're going... I wonder why, you know, that must be because they think, probably they've had experience with having authors on the set, Whitley, and they're going, oh my baby, you ruined my day!
	No, it's different.
	They're terrified that the author will put ideas into the heads of the actors.
	It has happened before.
	It has cost the studios a lot of money.
	God forbid we should give the actors ideas, right?
	Exactly.
	I'm sure we'd be allowed on the set if we went there, but we probably would be followed around.
	Well, probably.
	But it's going to be... I wouldn't do it unless they invited me and said, hey Art, we really need you in Whitley.
	We need your advice on this.
	Well, exactly.
	Then we'd do it.
	But these people, they're very, very skilled professionals at what they're doing, and they're doing their piece of this.
	It should be incredible.
	It's going to be.
	Next July, it's going to be.
	It's a big movie.
	It's a big, big summer movie.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, we plugged that.
	I'm glad we did.
	I'm proud of that.
	Now, we've got a lot coming up tonight, Whitley.
	You want to set up a little bit of what we're about to do?
	Okay.
	What we are about to do is to take a look at something that has changed dramatically Recently, increasingly in recent months, and certainly over the past year, and that is the UFO phenomenon.
	The UFO phenomenon for 50 years has been essentially a process of people seeing lights in the sky and occasionally complaining that something weird happened to them.
	And that's what it's been.
	There's been an undercurrent of cattle mutilation in the phenomenon since the 1970s, and occasional whispers of possible human beings being hurt and killed.
	We'll get into all of that later, but the phenomenon has been changing.
	That crop circle you were mentioning in the first hour... Oh my god, have you seen that?
	Well, there are a lot of people who say it's a fake.
	That's what I said, that either it's a fake or it is contact.
	I don't think it's a fake.
	I don't know Who's making the crop circle, so I don't know, I mean the genuine crop circle.
	Well, they go into some detail about this one on the Connector website, and I'll put that link up.
	And you know, Whitley, they say in there that this one, with regard to complexity, makes last year's look like a piker.
	And I just, and nobody really understands how Individuals, zillions of them, could sneak up on a hill doing something this precisely in a very short time.
	None of it makes any sense.
	It wasn't done by normal means.
	It was done by human beings.
	Whoever did it had to do it from above.
	And I think it is, in effect, contact.
	And there's something about it that I must say is creepy.
	Yeah, creepy.
	It's creepy.
	It's not the most pleasant looking thing you ever saw in your life.
	It hit me the same way, and it said the researchers who walked into the field had a terrible feeling of foreboding, you know, when they entered the crop circle.
	I'm sure they did.
	I would have myself, but Linda is up on that crop circle, and we'll ask her about it when she comes on.
	Because she knows, I'm sure she knows the very latest.
	She was actually over there this summer, and she may have even seen it in person.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, this one was a kicker for me and I don't know how I missed it.
	I mean, it just was sent to my attention and it's like it blasted right past me or something.
	I don't know.
	It's like the Chilbolton crop circles last summer.
	That face and the one of the Pioneer spacecraft image that everyone said, well, they have to be man-made because they're just so, it's so obvious.
	There's nothing enigmatic about what these are.
	But the problem is, The people who went down on their hands and knees in these fields and examined them described it quite simply as unimaginably superb workmanship.
	It was almost impossible to believe that any human being could have done this.
	I recall that, and the complexity of this is by magnitudes even greater.
	Even greater, and it is not only that, it's even done in two different types of presentations.
	Presentation, photographic reproduction, and television scanline.
	In other words, part of it is done like print reproduction, and part of it is done like a television image.
	Yeah.
	And if it was done by people, I'd really like to know what they used to do it, because they didn't use any ordinary tools.
	Me too.
	Me too.
	And if it's not done by people, then it's contact.
	So it's either You know, it's a mystery like the pyramids in that we have no idea how it could have been done by humans.
	Whatever it is, it's unfolding now.
	Something is changing.
	For example, when we talked to Roger Lear, the first part of the show is going to be first Roger Lear and then Bill Hamilton both telling not about abduction experiences and contact experiences like we're used to hearing, but about contact between professionals Professionals?
	Let's narrow that down.
	In the case of Lear, he's going to be talking about doctors in Brazil who treated an alien in a hospital.
	Now, you would think, well, that is ridiculous.
	Pretty over-the-top.
	Over-the-top.
	It is over-the-top only because we're not acknowledging what is going on in the world around us.
	This phenomenon is getting ahead even of those of us who study it.
	It's unfolding on its own time, and it's getting a lot faster.
	And we are... it is incumbent upon us to keep up with it.
	Otherwise, the whole world is going to be blindsided at some point, and I'm not sure it's going to be a pleasant experience.
	But I mean, even if this occurred in another country, Whitley, something as incredible as doctors having treated an alien being, you would think there would be no way to keep that story Closeted.
	No way to not have that show up everywhere and just blow the holy hell out of this whole thing.
	But, you know, the conventional media doesn't want to hear it.
	They have made their decision.
	Their decision is, it's all nonsense.
	It's not worth looking into.
	Have they made their decision, Whitley, or has their decision been made for them?
	Well, now that's a whole different question.
	Yeah, it is.
	That's a whole different question, and when we Anyway, when we talk to Lear, Lear is in a unique position.
	He's an MD himself, or not an MD, excuse me, a physician, a psychiatrist himself, but he knows a great deal about the body.
	He's an educated physician.
	He was talking to other doctors.
	He was personally on the scene in Brazil.
	This isn't second-hand.
	And I think it's one of the most extraordinary stories I've ever heard in my life, and I believe it.
	I think the man the leader is telling the truth
	i suspect that the men who were talking to him we're talking to the truth to end
	when we talk to roger you'll see the level of credibility that there are
	it sounds very much like a true story it's not uh... hyped up made up for anything he's told it
	on dreamland and feel when he is about to he doesn't hold a very often on all the certainly only the
	second time on the air
	the whole uh...
	ufo scene seems to be changing and what to me is a common ominous way out
	I mean, we've got this story, which I ran, I read from your website, of a possible murder by a UFO in Pennsylvania now.
	And we're going to update that.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yes.
	See, all of this is kind of edging in the... You know, I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with this... No.
	...not E.T., warm, fuzzy, little alien story anymore.
	It's not moving that way at all, in my opinion.
	Well, you know, somebody who's Out there, like that, if it is ETs, and they have come here over some vast distance, they're going to be tough, and they're going to be highly motivated for whatever it is they want to do.
	And they're going to have the technology to achieve whatever they want to achieve, that's for sure.
	That's the interesting part here.
	When the Spanish showed up on the shores of Mexico, it looked to the Aztecs like their technology was unimaginably high.
	They had horses, they had guns.
	The Aztecs concluded that they were invincible gods.
	But, the reality was, their technology was only a little bit ahead of the Aztecs.
	Just a little bit.
	Fifty years, maybe?
	Maybe less.
	Now, we are on the point, right now, of anti-gravity.
	There's a former aviation editor of James Defense Weekly, Nick Cook.
	I interviewed him.
	Yeah, that's right.
	He admitted it.
	I mean, we've got the big aerospace companies working on anti-gravity.
	When he came on Dream, he had actually, by then, had in his hand an entire 47-page presentation, I believe, from Boeing, internal presentation, about the progress they've made on anti-gravity, even while They're publicly saying they're not working on it.
	Yeah.
	And he said unequivocally, they are working on it.
	Yeah.
	Well, they actually, they did publicly admit it and then deny it.
	Always a bad move.
	I mean, to admit something and then later deny it.
	I mean, that's something worthy of the United States Air Force.
	Right.
	Well, the fear here is that they will develop something, or have already developed something, and it's not going to get into the hands of the public.
	The more we keep these crucial technologies secret, the more unpleasant our experience is going to be.
	Wendley, we have to win wars, right?
	And if anti-gravity would be something that, for example, you could hold for, and then be sure of winning the next war, because there's always, always, always a next war, Then it's not going to get public.
	I mean, if on the one hand you have the public over here, and the next war over here, and you're weighing the two, I can assure you the next war wins.
	You know Art, you could make the same case for the internal combustion engine.
	Oh yeah?
	You could have said back in 1906, oh we don't want the public to get a hold of this because we may want to use it in military applications.
	And you would have strangled the progress of humanity.
	And if they're doing that, they are wrong.
	And it is a desperately crucial mistake.
	Not to mention that if you have anti-gravity, that means you have an incredible new power source.
	And God knows, we need power now.
	We're polluting our atmosphere, we're destroying the planet, and we could really use a new power source.
	We sure could.
	So all of these things are at stake.
	A lot of the same kind of thing that Dr. Greer talks about.
	Somebody called me in the first hour and said, would you ask him about Well, that could all be happening.
	You know, I believe in the NASA mission STS-47 video, there are two mysterious pulses of light that come up from the ground.
	They come up from Pine Gap, or from the area of Pine Gap in Australia and go past the shuttle at high speed and Lights that have been slowly converging on the shuttle rush away.
	Like a plasma bullet.
	Right.
	I have on my website, in the Mindframe section under... Well, it's in the Mindframe section under... I forget exactly what it's under.
	I'll find out in a minute.
	An incredible article on Pine Gap.
	This article is anonymous.
	All right.
	Whitley, hold it.
	We'll come back and we'll talk with Dr. Roger Lear and do more of this in a moment.
	I saw that STS video, like a plasma bullet, and then things dart away, like it was fired into space.
	Might have been a test, but the camera on the shuttle definitely stood by, zoomed in, and waited for the test.
	It was just like plasma, right up out of the atmosphere and past the spacecraft.
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	Sounding much better, right, Whitley?
	Well, let's hope so.
	Yeah, much better.
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	I can hear the timber of your full, the full timber of your voice now.
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	So, any more setting up, or do you want to bring Dr. Lear on?
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	All right, straight to Roger.
	Roger, welcome.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	Good to be back with you again.
	It's been a long time.
	Yes, it certainly has.
	Actually, Doctor, how long has it been?
	Do you know?
	Since you were on with me last?
	Oh my gosh, probably a couple of years.
	A couple, yeah.
	That long at least.
	I've been on Dreamland a few times, but... Not here.
	Not there.
	You had your problems and we've all had ours.
	Yeah, that's how the world works.
	All right, Doctor, you've got a story about Brazil.
	I don't know how I missed this one.
	I don't know when it happened or what was involved, but you apparently do, so tell us about it.
	Okay, just as a side note, I was looking at the photos on your website of the crop formation.
	Oh, yes.
	And I just came back from the UK a few weeks ago.
	So I can give you a couple of just real quickies.
	Please.
	Number one, they said that when you stand in that formation, you have a feeling of becoming dizzy because there's so many elevations of height of the grain.
	It's like standing with your feet in the middle of a sea where the sea is waving back and forth at different heights.
	That was one observation.
	The scientific data, when I was there, hadn't come in yet.
	Now, whether Linda is privy to some of that or not, I don't know, but you'll probably find out.
	Okay, get just a little away from your phone.
	You're hitting it a little hard.
	Better?
	Much better, thank you.
	So, you've seen, then, the crops.
	I mean, how do they hit you, personally?
	Well, there's some that are undoubtedly bogus, but looking at the scientific data that Dr. Levengood has done, there is no explanation for human science to be able to do that sort of thing.
	Last I heard that they had pretty concrete evidence that the temperatures had reached 3,500 degrees centigrade.
	That's pretty hot.
	Without frying a crop, you could make nice wheat cakes or cornflakes.
	That's the strangest thing, that the temperature gets so high, but it doesn't incinerate the crop.
	Yeah, that's very strange.
	Actually, impossible.
	Except that it's so fast.
	Actually, it would incinerate it, but it just touches the surface.
	Well, when you find the noses of bugs that are fried out of the crop, but themselves fried.
	You know, they find that.
	Could that be weapons?
	If it's a weapons test, then somebody's screwing with us, clearly.
	But it has to have been done from above, and the average person just couldn't be doing that from above, or even group, or even college.
	You know, you're trying to imagine What could do this?
	And there's really nothing, except our military, maybe.
	You can't find, even using a military source, you can't find any logic in it.
	Why would they lay down a hundred meter configuration with such complexity?
	Why an obvious depiction of an alien?
	Creature.
	Why a message?
	You could imagine that to be yeses and noes, digital yeses and noes.
	You could imagine it to be music or a voice track.
	You could imagine it to be... Anybody have any luck deciphering this?
	Well, yeah.
	Being that you asked.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Our friends at NITS had somebody take a look at it and described it to me as a very simple binary code.
	Binary code.
	And they have deciphered it, and I don't have the transcription here, but it has something to do with a warning.
	It says, don't be fooled.
	Really?
	Really?
	Don't be fooled?
	It said that in the Bible.
	Don't be fooled.
	Don't be fooled, yes.
	That's really intriguing.
	Don't be fooled.
	I couldn't believe it when I saw this formation.
	I went, oh my God.
	Also, almost to the day I was told in the UK that the Chilmbaton formation had occurred a year ago.
	Okay.
	That's it.
	All right.
	Yeah, fine.
	As incredible as that is, everybody's going to have to decide for themselves.
	Let us move on to the... Let us move on, if we can, now to the... whatever occurred in Brazil.
	This is another one.
	It just went right past me.
	What happened in Brazil, Doctor?
	Oh, we just lost him.
	We lost him?
	Yeah, we lost him.
	I hope we're not having a repeat here.
	Oh, that disaster with the... I know.
	Every time I try to do something like this, Uh, I get something like this.
	Every time I get just to a critical stage, Whitley, in doing a show like this, um, this exact thing happens.
	So, I'm gonna have to try again here.
	Okay, let's redial Dr. Lear and see if we can get through.
	If you want me to, I can set the scene a little bit.
	Yeah, sure, go ahead.
	Okay, well, this happened, it began to unfold in the town of Varginha in Brazil.
	A few years ago, when some school children encountered a strange little figure near a roadside.
	Okay, I think we might have Dr. Lear back.
	Doctor?
	Yes, I'm back.
	Okay, then you please proceed.
	Whitley began to set the stage.
	Yeah, I let them know about Varhina.
	I went to this place to sort of sift the wheat from the chaff and to possibly bring back physical evidence because, as you know, that's primarily what I'm interested in.
	I think the stories are really interesting, having to do with abductions and sightings and so on.
	if there's a piece of material that's very nice to have in your hand to send to a laboratory
	so that they can give you a report.
	That was my aim in going there.
	I was befriended by a number of investigators for the Varginha case which occurred January
	20, 1996.
	Doctor, you arrived how long after the event?
	Six years.
	Six years after the event.
	Now, I've been to Brazil numerous times, and I've tried to get there before, but for some reason I was never able to accomplish it.
	There was all sorts of rumors of persistent military presence keeping Americans out, people wouldn't talk, building walls, shielding the area so they weren't from public view anymore.
	But this time I did it.
	So you went down there to investigate a specific case and talk to everybody involved, that kind of thing, right?
	That's correct.
	And I was able, on camera, to interview a number of the witnesses in this case.
	And what happened?
	Well, amongst the people that I was able to interview, unfortunately not on camera, were some people who came forth, and I think it was because I was in the medical business that they decided they would talk.
	Now, I had to swear to shield them from any possible repercussions, because this is a 96 version of the 1947 Roswell case.
	These people were severely intimidated.
	So, best to say, let's just call them medical personnel somewhere in Brazil that had something to do with the Varginha episode.
	These were colleagues.
	In other words, these were medical people just like yourself.
	That's correct.
	I'm not saying they're doctors or nurses or technicians or whatever.
	Would you care to say in what way they were intimidated?
	I think that might be important.
	And by whom?
	Or what group?
	They were intimidated by the Brazilian military.
	There's two branches there.
	One is a base which trains a military police officer called Sergeant Camp, and they were in charge of the cleanup of this case with the fire department, which is also in Brazil a division of the military.
	So you have two military contingents here and they fairly well told these people that they were to keep their mouth shut.
	Tight.
	And so for six years... Did they offer any help on what might happen if they didn't keep their mouth shut?
	Not per se.
	But in interviewing these people, with the interpreter that we have and the chief investigator of this case, a very wonderful gentleman by the name of Uberijar Rodrigues.
	He's a very famous labor attorney and has quite an excellent standing in Brazil.
	He has a ufological institute there with A number of different cases.
	He's been investigating UFOs for over 36 years.
	Yes.
	So, very well respected man.
	And his son acted as the interpreter, because I do not speak fluent Portuguese.
	But they were, by all actions, visibly terrified, even talking to me.
	When we began the conversation, they said that they had absolutely nothing to do with this case personally, but these were all rumors, things they'd heard from friends and colleagues.
	But then when you began to talk to them and began to interview them, you could see by their gesticulations and emotional involvement that that was not the truth.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Just a question.
	Maybe you and Witt both could answer this.
	If you were party to an occurrence, close encounter, perhaps even abducted, part of seeing something that a number of people saw that was unambiguous, you know, like an alien being, or a craft, or whatever, and then you had somebody in uniform, in military, a very high ranking, or civilian CIA type, you know, agency type people come and visit you at your home, And tell you that you didn't see anything and that it would be healthy for you to recall that you saw nothing.
	You know, it's one thing to say, oh, you know, I'd tell the world.
	I'd go to the Washington Post.
	But you might really think 25 times before you did something like that after you'd been warned that seriously, huh?
	Oh, yeah.
	I would think very carefully about that because, you know, there's Not only oneself, but what if they said, well, if you do anything about this, you just might as well forget your children.
	Yeah, I mean, like, people die all the time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, you know, if you had been there, Art, and you'd seen these individuals and watched what was going on, this was like a catharsis for them.
	Well, that's why I put it that way.
	Because, okay, so, but yet they opened up anyway.
	And it was obvious they were opening up, really, in the first person, huh?
	That's correct.
	They hadn't discussed this with anybody before, and why they chose to discuss it with me at this particular time, I don't know.
	But I think they were letting something out that they had kept to themselves for six years that was eating away at them, and they knew they would have to probably take this to their grave if they didn't tell somebody.
	All right, exactly what then did they say happened?
	Well, the rumor was that one of these beings in Virginia underwent an autopsy, and a number of different medical personnel were involved.
	I found this was absolutely not true.
	This was a rumor, as many other Portions of the Varginha case, I found, were also not true.
	Can you give us the overall on this case?
	In other words, what happened?
	When did it happen?
	What was reported?
	What was seen?
	Blah, blah.
	It was 1996.
	January the 20th has been the agreed date, although there is some discussion as to whether that's accurate.
	But it's been accepted as to January the 20th.
	A craft was seen coming down very, very early in the morning.
	And impacted with the ground that was described as a cylindrical vehicle with a piece missing out of the rear end of it, trailing some smoke or vapor.
	There were a couple of witnesses.
	One was a farmer and his wife.
	Another one was another individual who was asked to leave the area.
	And he, instead of doing exactly what he was told, he kind of turned around and parked in a place where he couldn't be seen, described some events that were going on with the arrival of the military police and the fire department for a cleanup.
	The largest piece that was described was about as big as a Volkswagen bus.
	It was also rumored it was very light.
	That's not true.
	It was extremely heavy.
	They had to bring a crane in to get this large piece out, put it on the back of the truck.
	Military people spread out, went across the field with metal detectors, filling bags with debris.
	They were all put on trucks and taken away.
	You know, Doctor, I'm going to just ask you a what if, but during those years, There were a couple of spacecraft that we had up there that I believe they thought might have crashed somewhere in South America.
	Now, I'm not saying that's what it was.
	I'm just wondering if something like that could have occurred, which certainly would be plenty of heavy metal, you know, if it made it to ground.
	And then could the story have grown from there?
	It very well could be.
	I mean, we don't have any metal.
	I didn't bring back any metal for someone to analyze, which I wanted to do.
	So yes, it could have been that.
	But also, it would have been a coincidence that the affairs that occurred, occurred shortly after that.
	And that was the sighting of some very strange beings about town.
	Okay, so we know something crashed.
	Something big.
	Crash.
	Something big crashed.
	Something big crashed that was undoubtedly damaged.
	And maybe there's some indication that this was something that was shot down.
	As far as I know, of course, we don't know what's the secret that's up there, but this was a cylinder.
	And as I said, the witnesses described something missing out of the rear portion of it.
	All right, remember to stay a little away from that phone for me, if you would.
	Just a thought.
	So then people began to see alien beings.
	How soon afterward?
	About three hours.
	Three to four hours later, there were things that happened.
	Different eyewitnesses saw different things happen, and as the story went, there were five beings seen, and then maybe there were ten, and so on.
	A lot of these were rumors and a lot of confusion.
	But what we know for sure, by eyewitness accounts, is that there were at least two beings, and they were described exactly the same by the witnesses.
	One was seen kneeling by a wall by three young girls on their way home from work.
	And they were terrified when they saw this.
	They thought it was the devil.
	Turned around and virtually ran back home to get their mother.
	What they described was a being that I will describe later on.
	There was another capture of one of these beings that was seen in a field by the military
	and by the fire department.
	Again, it was rumored that a net was thrown over this being and it was taken and placed
	on the back of a truck and then taken away.
	But when I interviewed some firemen and was allowed to go through the fire department...
	Again, remembering the fire department, so-called, in Brazil is the military, right?
	Correct.
	It's part of the military.
	Very important to understand that, I think.
	Marines, Air Force, and so on, their fire department is military.
	So they took this thing away, but it was not captured with a net because they said they never had a net, never will have a net.
	They use a thing on a pole, looks like a noose, and this is what they use to capture animals because that's one of the functions of the fire department.
	So that was used in the capture, not a net.
	So we know there was two beings at least.
	Well, that's how we capture snakes and gators in Florida and things like that, right?
	Same type of thing.
	Yeah, same thing.
	So in other words, they denied it was a net, but they did say they captured something with this noose thing.
	Right.
	There was another episode in which two of these military officers were driving down the street and they saw a being that was trying to cross the street.
	One of them got out of the car, went over, and with very little resistance encouraged that being into the car, into the back seat.
	He made, of course, physical contact with it.
	Virtually three medical places for treatment.
	All right, gentlemen, hold it right there.
	The Brazilian version of... Want to take a ride?
	I guess.
	Serious stuff, actually.
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	It happened in Roswell.
	In the 1940s.
	But in much more recent years, did it, in fact, happen in Brazil?
	Dr. Roger Lear, I think, is saying yes, and you're getting the story of what happened in Brazil unfolding right before your ears.
	Stay right there.
	Once again, Whitley Streber and Dr. Roger Lear telling us about his investigation into what occurred in Brazil.
	Doctor?
	Yes, Art.
	Hold on to your hat.
	Put your shoes on tight.
	Because what I'm going to tell you now is what these medical personnel told me.
	In the first place, an autopsy did not take place.
	What took place was a treatment of this alien being.
	And they described the being... Wait a minute.
	I'm sorry.
	A treatment.
	There was no autopsy.
	Then you're saying the alien was alive.
	It was alive.
	Okay.
	It was brought into the medical facility with a compound fracture of the leg.
	Now, I did not find out which leg, and I did not find out which bone it was.
	However, I did find out some important details in reference to the wound, the bone, the healing, and the description of the being.
	And as this material was coming to me from these individuals, they, as I said, were going through an emotional Catharsis.
	Their heads were hanging down.
	At one point, the conversation just stopped, and one of the individuals sat there in a chair with his hands shaking.
	Here's what they told me.
	The being was described as being less than five feet in height.
	It had a dark brown skin that was smooth, oily, But, uh, reticulated.
	In other words, if you looked at a reptile, you could see scales, but yet when you touch the skin, you wouldn't be able to feel them.
	That's how they describe the skin.
	As though you were touching scales?
	No.
	You weren't able to feel scales.
	Only you could see the outline of these reticulations.
	I gotcha.
	Alright, I've got you.
	Do you recall whether they said it felt... Describe the feeling as anything at all.
	I mean, was it... It felt smooth.
	Like skin?
	Like skin.
	Okay.
	Very smooth.
	Oily.
	And with no noticeable odor.
	Now, I had heard previously that, in fact, the article which described this case that appeared on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, the title of the article was Stinky Aliens Land in Brazil.
	And supposedly there was some odor smells involved, but none of the individuals I talked to said anything about any kind of an odor.
	So that was another rumor that should be put to bed.
	They said that the head was large in comparison to the rest of the body with a very thin neck and on the top of the head were three little crests or ridges that went from the let's say the forehead to the back of the head and these ridges stood up about three quarters to an inch The one central and two parietal which were on the sides.
	The eyes they described as very large, central but turned upward towards the outside.
	They were red in color with no discernible pupil.
	And they described them as liquid and demanding.
	I'll get into this.
	Liquid and demanding.
	Right.
	Now that's an interesting way to describe anything at all.
	It certainly is, and I'll go more into that as you'll see down the line.
	They said the arms were thin, the hands wound up in four fingers, elongated, that seemed to be multiple jointed.
	There was no opposing thumb, but they said they didn't evidently need an opposing thumb because each finger could articulate with another finger.
	In other words, you could use the second finger to go to your fifth finger and so on.
	So therefore, an opposing thumb wouldn't be necessary.
	The foot was kind of interesting, especially for me.
	They said that there were three fleshy toes in a forward position.
	The foot was narrower than ours, it had a heel, no particular arch, and that there was one toe, in addition, which came about farther back on the foot, and if the foot was suspended in the air, it would hang towards the ground.
	They called it a prehensile digit, which was quite long, but on the end of it was about a three quarters of an inch claw.
	Wow!
	This has a particular interest for Roger.
	Definitely.
	When it walked, it would bring this prehensile digit up parallel to the rest of the foot.
	Of course, it could walk that way.
	Well, Doctor, since that's the area of the body that you work on, did that description make anatomical sense to you for an alien?
	In other words, could you understand the functionality?
	Well, I've never seen an alien foot, Art.
	I understand, but still, you're a foot doctor, right?
	So, did it make functionality, in other words, as described, could you imagine the function as you described?
	Yes, because if you look at some animal feet, in particular some of the higher order of the arthropods, you can see that One of the fingers or related thumb may be articulating farther back on the foot or the hand.
	If they use it, they bring it up parallel.
	So it made perfect sense to me.
	As to what the claw is used for, I don't know.
	But as Whitley said, it has a particular significance for me.
	Yes.
	He may have one.
	I beg your pardon, Whitley?
	He may have one.
	I don't know how much he wants to talk about it.
	You want to talk about it, Roger, but tell us a little bit.
	We can't be left hanging there.
	Okay, I have a case... Not even by a claw.
	I have a case which I've been working on, Art, for a couple of years.
	It's probably got the most physical evidence of any abduction case on record ever written in a book either by Bud Hopkins or David Jacobs or Carpenter or John Mack or anybody else.
	Even Whitley Strieber.
	Or Whitley Strieber.
	Really?
	This case, and Whitley is quite familiar with the case, is just replete with physical evidence, and amongst the things happens to be a claw that is about three quarters of an inch long.
	It's about, I would say, four millimeters in width.
	It has a canal that runs from one end to the other, and it comes complete with three Elongated black hairs that come out of the back of it.
	You're telling me you have this?
	Yes, we do.
	DNA analysis is taking place now, I believe.
	Right.
	Okay, DNA analysis.
	Yeah, we've had a number of analytical tests done.
	Some was done by our friend at Southwest Laboratories.
	No longer available.
	The gentleman who used to work for us at Southwest Research died, quite frankly, in a very odd way of two different forms of leukemia hitting him at the same time.
	A lot of that going around.
	Well, a lot of it.
	He was key to a lot of work that was done in this field and particularly with the implant studies.
	Yes, it's a great loss because that's a door that will be closed to us now forever.
	Southwest Research just despises us, to be quite frank with you.
	He was an incredibly brave William Mallow.
	He was on this radio program.
	Of course, William Mallow.
	He was a very brave and brilliant man and also highly Security cleared highly enough to know there was something
	in this, which is why he was so interested.
	Go ahead, Roger.
	Roger, what happens, Doctor, if the system is back non-human?
	Where do you go?
	What do you do?
	We have a plan.
	It's not to be discussed publicly, but privately sometimes we talk about it.
	And eventually, of course, if the plan works, it's going to become probably the biggest
	piece of news that will, I hope, hit the world.
	I would say it would be, yes.
	A piece of an alien.
	A biological piece of an alien.
	That's serious stuff.
	Okay?
	So let's get back to the hospital.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So here we have this being and came in, as I said, with a compound fracture of the leg.
	Now, naturally, when someone tells me of a medical condition, I want to know more about it, so I asked them to describe the bone.
	They said that the bone was very similar to ours, similar in color and covered with a periosteal covering, as our bone is.
	However, that their bone was cavitated.
	It had numerous holes, like we see pathologically when we look at osteoporotic bones.
	But in the case of this being, what it did was it gave more strength to the bone.
	And they said it had the tensile strength of about ten times of what a human bone.
	And so therefore, to produce this fracture, it had to have quite a bit of trauma.
	Well, that already sounds like bad news for our Marines.
	Ten times the strength?
	Yeah.
	Ten times the strength.
	holes or cavities color similar to ours.
	And then of course I had to ask about the blood.
	I said, you know, what color is the blood?
	Is it blue?
	Is it yellow?
	Is it pink?
	What is it?
	Surprising to hear, they told me the blood was very, very similar to our blood.
	Red in color.
	But when they look at it through the microscope, we have a number of cellular structures in the blood,
	red cells and white cells.
	And part of the white cells of these very small little cells called platelets.
	And they said that the platelet count was extremely high, much, much, much higher than ours, and that the blood would almost clot immediately when it came out of the blood vessels.
	They didn't know whether it was It had to do with the platelets or whether our oxygen
	atmosphere had an effect on it and clotting.
	It clotted almost immediately.
	Very good point.
	Now, the other thing they told me that happened was the creature on the shoulders, on the
	upper portion of the shoulders, had a set of bulging blood vessels that was akin to
	like varicose veins.
	I asked them if they extended up into the neck and they said no, it was just down the
	shoulder area.
	That was different also.
	They told me that once the bone was approximated and things were kind of restored to normal
	that everything healed in 24 hours.
	Bye.
	My word on it.
	The bone and the soft tissues.
	Now, the next part I'm going to get into is something that's really going to rock you, so be ready for this.
	You can just picture this scene.
	Here are these technicians and personnel and doctors virtually locked in an operating room with a being that's obviously from somewhere else.
	A military guard standing on the door.
	No one goes in.
	Certainly no one goes out.
	Do your thing.
	Get it done.
	When it's done, we'll let you out.
	They were in this room and two of them told me that they tried everything they could do to not look this being in the eyes.
	I asked them why.
	They said they didn't know.
	I just didn't feel comfortable about looking it in the eye.
	During the course of this treatment, when it began, the room began to fill with a greenish
	mist.
	Now this sounds like something out of a great science fiction story, but at this time, these
	individuals, two of them that were telling me this story, were beginning to shake and
	their heads were beginning to hang down.
	And remember folks, this is Dr. Lear talking to other professional level people that we're
	not really naming here.
	I mean this is at a pretty high level, so continue doctor.
	The room began to fill with a greenish mist and they finally realized that it was coming from this being.
	They didn't know whether it was toxic, they didn't know what was going to happen to them, and all this happened rather rapidly.
	One of them at that point turned around and looked at the being And their eyes locked.
	And when this happened, that individual loaded into this individual's head that was looking at him a load of information that he said came in thought grams, not pictures and not words, but just one thought right after another, slam, slam, slam.
	Until he thought his head was going to explode.
	And I said, what did he tell you?
	What did the being tell you?
	Now this is the part that's really fantastic.
	He said that they considered human beings very special and that they were very similar to them, but that we did not know how to use the things that we had innate in us.
	Things that they could do, we could also do, but didn't know how to do it.
	They also said that they felt very sorry because the human species was not treating themselves the way they should through the centuries, and also not treating the planet the way they should be treated.
	They said that a human being, and this kind of really gets you, was a being that was totally disconnected from its spiritual self.
	Well, that's not so hard to buy, you know, when you look at the headlines these days.
	No.
	This is how the conversation ended.
	We sat there and looked at them.
	Their heads were hanging down, hands shaking.
	And it was a very emotional experience for myself and I'm sure for them.
	And so I guaranteed them that we would not give even a clue as to what part of Brazil we were in or where this conversation took place.
	Once all this was done, was there any doubt in your mind that you had been talking to the participants and that this actually had happened?
	There was absolutely no doubt.
	When I started the interview, Of course, you know, it took them at their word that this was rumor and things that were told by colleagues and personnel.
	But once I saw how they became emotionally involved in the story and the answers to the questions became more specific, we knew that that was a story.
	Okay, well here's an obvious question before we stop here, Doctor.
	There would have been blood tests, there would have been x-rays, there would have been records, there would have been all kinds of I don't know.
	Evidence that should be available from something of this magnitude.
	And obviously you requested it, looked for it, asked about it.
	Oh, you know I did, Art.
	And?
	And the question was put to them all and the answer was the same.
	They said that everything, including the beings themselves, were removed.
	Taken out.
	And here's one thing that I have to add as a closing note.
	They said when this being left this facility, it was in satisfactory medical condition.
	Incredible story.
	Dr. Lear, we've got to run, but it's incredible.
	I told you.
	Totally incredible.
	Doctor, thank you.
	My pleasure, Art.
	Good night, and we'll be back with Whitley and Bill Hamilton coming up next from the high desert.
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	My guest is Whitley Streber, and if you thought that last story was something, stick around because we've got another one just like it, in many ways, in terms of magnitude, coming up with Bill Hamilton next.
	Once again, we plunge into the night.
	Here is Woodley Strieber.
	Coming up in a moment, Bill Hamilton.
	I'll let Woodley set it up a little bit.
	Yeah, well, the next one we're going to go to is also part of this communication.
	You have been talking about being in contact.
	We are in contact.
	And what I set up tonight was a show that would express some of the ideas that are coming across.
	I'd like to now, before we go to Bill, To return to the Crabwood Formation on Unknown Country, if you go to unknowncountry.com and put Crabwood in the search engine, which is about two-thirds of the way down the page on the left-hand side, you will come up with a story that leads to a long article
	By one of the great crop circle researchers, Lucy Pringle.
	Oh yes.
	Yes.
	And she has gone through this formation in detail herself.
	And she describes why it is authentic.
	This is the message from that crop circle.
	It fits the message from the Varhena alien who was presumably taken away and heaven only knows what was done with him.
	Beware the bearers of false gifts and their broken promises.
	Much pain, but still time.
	There's good out there.
	We oppose deception.
	It's a powerful, strange message and yet it dovetails in a funny way with a message from many years ago in There was an extraordinary case of a witness who had spoken under hypnosis in what turned out to be Gaelic.
	One of the people who was working with me recognized this as an ancient Gaelic language which no one in the group had any way of knowing including the lady involved.
	This message when translated by a specialist in Gaelic was Children of the Northern Peoples, you wander in eternal darkness.
	There's something similar there.
	There is a light going out.
	We are wandering out in the darkness.
	I think maybe it's time to start getting a light turned back on again.
	Bill Hamilton is an old line UFO researcher.
	His website is Skywatch.org, and you can learn about him and what he does and has done by going to that website.
	He tends to be a very conservative guy.
	This is not a conservative story.
	This is one of the most incredible of all UFO stories, just like Dr. Lear's.
	So let's go ahead and get Bill.
	Alright, let's see if we've got Bill.
	Bill, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Bill, welcome to the program.
	Thanks.
	Great to have you on.
	Where are you, Bill?
	I'm in Lancaster, California.
	Lancaster, all right.
	All I can say is, proceed.
	I don't know, I guess you probably heard the first story.
	That's enough to take your breath away, and it sounds like this one is, too.
	Well, it's going to be the story of Dr. Burrish.
	Now, Whitley just described you as a kind of a conservative researcher within ufology.
	Would you accept that?
	Well, I attempt to be conservative, but I'm sure that some people would say that I'm quite radical.
	All perspective, I suppose.
	All right, Bill, tell us the story of Bursch.
	Well, let me give a little background.
	Of course, I've been interested in the Nevada Test Site, Area 51, since 1984.
	Met John Lear in 1988.
	since 1984, met John Lear in 1988, went through the whole Bob Lazar story, paid a lot of visits
	out there.
	Over the course of that time, several people, retired military, ex-military, engineers,
	various types that I interviewed had a story to tell about some very first-hand personal
	involvement.
	However, their personal involvement ended Let's say with their military career, whatever particular job they had at the time.
	And then I heard this story about 1996 from a retired mechanical engineer from Las Vegas whose name was Bill Youhouse.
	And Bill Youhouse said that he worked on some very top secret, compartmentalized type programs that involved engineering what he called a simulator for flying disks.
	A simulator?
	A simulator. Now the thing that was most amusing, at least initially about his story,
	and something I had never actually heard from any other witness before,
	was that there was an advisor on this program that was a non-human entity,
	and extraterrestrial biological entity as we term them.
	And...
	And the designation for this particular entity he called J-Rod.
	That's a J-R-O-D.
	And he even presented a drawing of J-Rod which was very peculiar and it looked just like A typical gray with the dark eyes, but the gray was wearing a human man's collared shirt.
	He stated that he had actually seen a J-Rod wearing this shirt.
	Sounds like a domesticated alien.
	That's the most amazing image.
	Yeah, it is, isn't it?
	It's really haunting.
	Funny, almost.
	This was like, you know, there was no way to really authenticate a story like this.
	The only thing I can say is that Bill Youhouse sounded very sincere about what he was saying.
	He talked a lot about his Background in engineering, work on nuclear rockets.
	Yeah, I was about to say, you can authenticate somebody's background to some degree.
	To some degree.
	And so I didn't give it too much thought, but one day I ran across a little advertisement.
	That was in 1999.
	And it talked about the draft of a document That we have come to know as the Q109A document.
	And in this document, and I was only reading the first page of the document, it talked about an entity, an EBE by the name of J-Rod.
	Only it had AQ-J-Rod.
	And that caught my attention.
	Of course.
	And I said, well, here it is again.
	And I decided at that time to send away for a copy of this document and to look into it a little further, which I did.
	But the person who sent me the document at the time, a lady who lives in the Las Vegas area, who I will call BJ.
	That's her pen name.
	She was not real for the coming and she was very wary about offers for help.
	Bye.
	With regard to the origins of the document or any history about it or what?
	Well, to investigate it further, and it wasn't until early this year that I had focused on the idea that if I could just find enough testimony or some kind of evidence about the existence of one of these EVEs that has some kind of a relationship with a secret group within our government that it would kind of focus the area of my investigation.
	And I had recently become very interested in the topic astrobiology.
	And so I returned to this paper and I communicated with BJ and finally convinced her to meet with me.
	And when we met the first time, and I won't disclose the location yet because we were meeting at a location we were trying to keep confidential, at a time that we were trying to keep confidential, but she surprised me because the person who had written the document was there with her, this man known as Dr. Dan Burish, whose former name he had legally changed because in the document it appears as Dr. Danny Benjamin Crane, Ph.D., Captain, United States Navy, Navy Naval Research Labs, as a working group leader
	under Project Aquarius R4800 at the Papoose Site 4.
	And I thought, well, you got my attention.
	Let's see.
	That would be right up here.
	And so all of a sudden here you were sitting across from the man who authored the document.
	Well, I guess he did not expect for me to be there.
	And I was wearing my Air Force baseball cap.
	And when he initially saw me, he took all of these documents that he had spread out on a table and piled them into his briefcase and bolted for the door.
	And I went, whoa, what's going on here?
	And at that point, BJ went to talk to him and told him what she had in mind.
	You were cool.
	What he did was he apologized for bolting and we secured a very private room in this building that we were in.
	My first interview with him lasted about one hour.
	He said that he had to return to check in exactly at a certain time and he couldn't go over that time.
	He was very nervous on our first meeting.
	And even reluctant to talk about some things.
	I've had three meetings altogether.
	On the third and last meeting, we videotaped the interview.
	I have photographs, audiotape and videotape of interviews I've done with him.
	I have been given some documentation on his background, authenticating some of his background.
	It is not the strongest documentation that I could wish for.
	But one would have to understand that if this man is telling the truth, and if he's involved in a highly secure situation, then he had to be very careful.
	And they would do anything in their power to remove any public access.
	to his educational and work history.
	Where does he know?
	We don't know.
	We have received some very distressing news very recently.
	BJ has known him for over five years.
	I've only known him for about six months.
	There were apparently people that were friends of Dan's inside this project who shared his
	motivation in wanting to get the word out.
	So let's call those like the good guys.
	There is a bad element too who will do stop at nothing to suppress that word getting out.
	There were at least three particular individuals until recently who would act as communicators and go-betweens and arrange meetings and what have you.
	Bill, do you think he's dead?
	Well, this is what they reported.
	They said he's no longer among the living.
	This happened Monday night.
	Monday night?
	Yes.
	Well, gee, this is... I will really encourage the others to speak right up, isn't it?
	It's one of the reasons we're working so fast, Bill Hart, because we mentioned earlier Bill Mallow's death, and two of the scientists who are key to Roger Lear's work both have come down with very severe, life-threatening cancers just in the past month.
	I wasn't making an idle comment when I said there's a lot of that going around.
	Oh, I know.
	I wasn't being flippant.
	I know you weren't.
	Absolutely not.
	But just know that there is a tremendous amount of sacrifice going on behind the scenes and this radio program is not to be taken lightly by anybody who hears that this is a real communication that's going on.
	So you listen to Bill go on with his story.
	Well, what I want to rapidly cover is the fact that what Dan did back in 1994-1995
	was he worked in this Site 4 Facility Level 5 in which there was an environmental
	containment sphere and JROD was inside the sphere which had a slightly different atmospheric mix than
	our atmosphere.
	Bye.
	And he would have to don an environmental suit.
	It had hose connections to it.
	And he would enter the sphere.
	And during the period of time that he worked on this entity, known as J-Rod, he took up to about 275 tissue samples for examination.
	Because as Dan put it, as a microbiologist, he had discovered that this being and his fellow beings were suffering from some kind of a backslide in their genetic makeup.
	that he was played with what they call a peripheral neuropathy.
	And the attempt of his team was to try to find a remedy for this neuropathy.
	Bill, may I stop you and only say that throughout ufology's history, as I've been following it over the years, the story of diluted genetic problems with alien beings has been a constant thread all those years, and I'm sure you're well aware of that.
	Oh yeah, I'm aware of it.
	But what is What is a little bit mind-blowing is the background explanation that he gave me for this particular genetic defect and neural degeneracy that was going on with these beings.
	What was that?
	This is what's the fantastic part, which I had never heard anywhere else but have heard somewhat like this since, and that is Something called the Doctrine of the Convergent Timeline Paradox.
	And what Dan is saying here is that these J-Rod beings, as there are more of them, even though seemingly coming here from the Zeta Reticuli system, are actually related to us and are from our own future.
	And this is where the story, of course, gets to be outside of the normal bounds of stories like this, because what he is saying is that to J-Rod, the future is memory.
	The future is history to him.
	And they had learned to travel not only through space, But how did time travel, essentially?
	Time as well.
	All right, gentlemen.
	And they return back here in our past.
	For apparently obvious reasons.
	Genetic reasons.
	Right, gentlemen?
	Hold on.
	We're going to break here at the top of the hour.
	Incredible stuff.
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	Right, sure.
	Not a whole lot of point in fearing the Reaper, is there?
	Because I just happened to listen to this last newscast this last hour.
	I try not to because they're so depressing, but the FBI has a warning out that, you know, Al Qaeda's planning another attack.
	Meanwhile, sources in Washington talk about humans losing their way.
	Sources in Washington are unable to confirm, or deny, I suppose, that the sniper attacks, picking people off one at a time, may not be connected to international terrorism.
	That's the first time I've heard that one mentioned.
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	Once again, ladies and gentlemen, here is Bill Hamilton, along with Whitley Streber.
	And Bill, we sort of left off at time travel.
	In other words, these beings are us.
	Yes, and I think what I would like to do now is, and I usually don't do this, but I have a message.
	Bill, I just want to interrupt for a moment, because I misstated Bill's uh... website address all my
	skywatch hyphen
	research dot org
	that skywatch hyphen research dot org and that's where you will find
	these letters and so forth that he's referring to
	okay you've got all of this documentation up there bill yes i do
	i'd like to do and you can stop me anytime is
	convey own words. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to
	say anything. I'm not going Alright, I would very much appreciate it if you would do that.
	So that you can see his own thinking on the matter.
	Okay.
	And here's what he says.
	For so long I accepted the classical mechanisms that Darwinian and Neo-Darwinian theory provide together with other genetic population dynamics data and extended my science into their accepted belief system.
	The one I laughed with my fellow theorists at the creationist misinterpretation that inanimate rock gradually yields life.
	which links the evolutionary path dated of the earliest bacteria to the human.
	I laughed with my fellow theorists at the creationist misinterpretation that inanimate
	rock gradually yields life.
	I relegated the creationist belief system to fanaticism and the Darwinian belief system
	as science and truth.
	Thank you.
	Frankly, my training for Project Aquarius and the J-Rod extraterrestrial biological entity did nothing but enhance those beliefs.
	As our future plays itself out within the conditions I have read, the genetic divergence which caused the difference between we, now, and us, the J-Rod species, later, We lost him.
	Yeah, we lost him.
	Are you there Bill?
	Yeah.
	mechanism positive for our gradual development from a pre-hominid to the modern humans we see today
	The interrelations with the Neanderthals and our current body shape also promoted me along the trail of dark
	We lost him. Yeah, we lost. Are you there Bill? Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead
	this together with the psychological nature of the J-rod a future evolved
	psychological and mathematical Scientific kind made an easy fit with the dogma of modern
	evolutionary biology It was all good and all my training seemed to match.
	Then I became his friend.
	My experience with the J-Rod and his willingness to suffer for his and our kind entranced me.
	Was his willingness based on logic?
	And or the preservation of favorable characteristics?
	Well, it could have been, and that was my supposition before friendship.
	His current state may have had sequences that drove him to the notions of altruism.
	Once the bond was made, I found that while he was aware that his nervous degeneration disorder could have a future treatment, that was not his major concern.
	Rather, this logical being seemed, by virtue of constant statements, to long to help set straight a series of errors in judgment and events that culminated in our being separated from our spiritual nature.
	Here we are back again.
	Bill Hamilton and Roger Lear have never talked to each other about this at all.
	These two communications come from two totally different directions and they are the same.
	That's what this program is about.
	They sure are.
	And then obviously, yeah.
	Oh God.
	All right.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, he had to point that out, although not to me, Bill.
	Yes, separated from our spiritual selves.
	Nature.
	Yeah, nature.
	He was searching for something lost, not being driven by something gained, like a mutation.
	I had only really heard about the so-called Orion Beams.
	Amen.
	This has to do with another, he's now referring to another group that we call Nordics, who are another branch that diverged off.
	He only inferred their existence and called, I presume, them as the Brothers, but spoke to me of the catastrophe that led to his people's existence.
	See, now the catastrophe he talks about is a catastrophe that still awaits us in our future.
	Did he describe it or did he give you any idea of when?
	Yes, he gave me an idea as to when, but he could not, he did not describe what was going to happen.
	But he said it is about a decade away.
	A decade away.
	2012.
	Now, remember folks, what?
	2012.
	God, it is 2012.
	So, this would be something so catastrophic for the human race that it would begin to affect our genetic makeup and our obvious future.
	I mean, if anything, it would be that.
	Well, from what I have learned, it drastically reduces the population, and part of this population goes underground.
	Now, from what I have learned in biology class, that when you have a smaller population that's isolated, you increase the chances for evolutionary change.
	So I've heard, yes.
	So, I mean, it fits into that particular concept.
	And he goes on to say, and his logical processing of the need for rejoining because of something missing from his I soon put two and two together and looked to him as one of two future species in present time called Homo sapiens sapiens and found humanity to be greater than the sum of its base pairs.
	Could adaptive radiation And the new speciation account for the future true dichotomy?
	Those same natures that we now as humans understand to be both parts of us as a single species?
	Didn't the base pairs and the preservation of favorable characteristics through fortuitous gene mutations answer to the differences between the Jayrods and the brothers?
	I asked him.
	He replied, paraphrased as best as I can remember.
	We are here in your present presence asking for help.
	This statement struck me dumb and made me numb.
	If the answer was completely found in the material handled through logical processing with technology or completely spiritual handled by the so-called higher human self, why not deal with it, my dear Jayrods, or my dear brothers, yourselves?
	I reasoned, and he confirmed.
	That we now possess something unique, together with a necessary technological achievement level, expressing itself from the spiritual through the material and allowing us to contact a root genesis from whence springs life on earth.
	He confirmed that this contact is allowed only while we are fused being with both material and spiritual natures acting in both complementary and internally and intensely, I might may add, disagreeing waves through the joined resonance.
	In an effort to assist him with this particular neuropathy, as no cure or treatment then existed, and to possibly gain insight into the larger-scale problem of the fracturing of humanity, I requested to know what he knew of the genesis time.
	The J-Rod rapidly approached me and grabbed me, knocking me to the grated flooring of the queen's sphere.
	For the next 20 or 30 minutes, until my fellow scientists could drag me from the clean sphere, because I didn't have secondary suits ready to immediately enter, and we were told before entering of the possible things that can go wrong, he flooded my mind with moving images like a 3D movie.
	Remember how Lear described?
	Yes.
	Yes, in the hospital.
	Yes.
	And thoughts and dulled emotions.
	Some of the thoughts appeared more as metaphors than concretized reality.
	He showed me the process of Genesis from the perspective of his interaction with the brothers.
	So I guess you could say that it sounded like some kind of extraterrestrial hearsay.
	The images I later found were close to the ancient Mandala of Creation, the Sri Yantra.
	I saw a pearlescent lotus flower emerge from a near-spherical crystal matrix in which resided an object that looked like the Sri Yantra.
	The Sri Yantra collapsed into itself through successive stages that looked like the platonic solids and was carried along like a seed in a river of light to an oscillating drop of water.
	It entered the drop of water.
	Then he says it divides into 12 parts and that each part substance coalesced into what appeared as fully functioning prokaryote and eukaryote varieties.
	That of course is the ancient prokaryote pre-nuclear cells and the now nucleated cells that constitute all animal and human bodies.
	Genesis.
	Right?
	Right.
	Okay, so he witnessed one of the draughts with rapidly dividing cells that seemed to become covered in a dark red material.
	The material pushed itself away and then he saw himself looking into the face of a man.
	He felt like he was there and I could swear I felt him breathe in.
	Was this the dawn of humanity?
	I struggle with the potential and I'm torn in my soul to this day with the possible reality.
	I didn't see the destiny of the other drops, but since that time of experience, my thoughts have been very fertile.
	For a few years, I've plotted along with the sphereal endosymbiotic theory of eukaryote origins.
	That theory is where cells kind of ate each other until they merged.
	And then he posited a large virus which may have seeded the garden called Earth.
	The totipotent virus would necessarily possess a unique genetic package sufficient to be the forerunner of all Earth life.
	I covered this research as I was still engaged with the Magi and other pursuits, and have not informed them of the content of the message from the J-Rod.
	Within the framework of an endosymbiotic research project that was originally called Mission Genesis, a staged logical next step I want to, at this point, bring up my new book, Lilith Stream, because it's extremely relevant at this point.
	What a story!
	You know, what a story indeed!
	You know, I want to, at this point, bring up the book, my new book, Lilith Stream, because
	it's extremely relevant at this point.
	It is about a long journey through time on behalf of the evolution of mankind.
	It is a dark and terrible journey taken by the Nordics that he alluded to.
	But as this begins to unfold more and more, we will learn more and more about its relationship
	to time, because the closer we come to an ability to move through time, the more this
	will focus.
	The mysteries of the close encounter will become clearer.
	People ask me, why do you write books, fiction, like Lilith's Dream, now?
	The reason is there is no other way to communicate the emotional impact that this has except through fiction.
	So really, you're telling everybody as they read your new book, or for that matter, other books that you've written, you should read more into it.
	Yes, you should.
	There is more there, and it's why I wanted Bill to come to talk about time, because the book is about this type of a journey, a journey through 5,000 years of time, and it ends at a point of tremendous promise, which is where we are now, with the emergence of a new ideation, a new evolution of mankind.
	At the same time, we have two doors.
	We open one door and there is a new mankind.
	We opened another door in 2012.
	One of the things that Dan seemed to stress when I asked him was the concept that these
	two natures that exist in us now that are joined separate into these two different groups.
	Thank you.
	And the J-Rod species takes with it the more material, more logical, more scientifically grounded nature, And the Nordic takes with him the more spiritual, the more high-minded nature.
	Then these two represented two possible doors, two possible futures for mankind.
	Is that fair?
	They do occur.
	Both occur during this change post-catastrophe.
	So that tells us something then about the nature of time itself.
	Yes, apparently, and this is a very complex subject, which I have discussed with others, both scientists and non-scientists.
	And of course, scientists, some scientists, do not believe time travel is possible.
	Other scientists do believe it is possible.
	More and more these days.
	Yes, that's increasing.
	But then there's this whole A population of people who have reported experiences that seem to indicate glitches in time.
	Bill, we've got to run.
	We're out of time.
	I really, really appreciate you coming on tonight and telling us this.
	Alright.
	And it sure does walk right up the street with Dr. Lear and what he had to say.
	Alright, thank you very much, Bill.
	Okay, thank you.
	And we'll have you back again.
	That's Bill Hamilton.
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	I wanted you both to know that I have listened from the beginning.
	It has been a fascinating program and as I was listening to Dr. Roger Lear and Bill Hamilton, whom I have talked with in some detail about both of those stories, I was thinking how interviews that I've done in the past begin to fit in more and more and strengthen these new reports and the new reports strengthen those in the past such as Bill Hamilton's research with Bill Youhouse and Dr. Dan Burish and there is an increasing number of military intelligence and civilian accounts of these face-to-face experiences with what are described as either non-humans or extraterrestrial biological entities in government documents
	And it is as if we are in the presence of a pressure that is building from increasing facts.
	Bill Youhouse told Bill Hamilton that in fact he was part of a program that was a scientific exchange program with what he called the EBINS, Extraterrestrial Biological Entities.
	He said that this program has been going on since, he thought, at least the mid-1960s, if not before And that it involved what he said were EBA I, EBA II, and EBA III.
	And Bill Youhouse told Bill Hamilton that supposedly it was the coming of EBA III who had two assistants that have different specialties or special knowledge, as we might think of specialties in science, and these were what Bill Youhouse understood to be the JROD.
	And that the J-Rods were housed, one in Los Alamos, one in S-4 in the Papus Mountain Range at Area 51 Nellis Air Force Base.
	Now those are at least two that Bill Youhouse described.
	And right now, what I'd like to do, since it just so resonates and complements what we've heard tonight, but this was an interview that I did back in May of 1998.
	The man requested that I not give out his real name or where he really lived.
	He asked to be called Cooper.
	He requested that I not give out his real name or where he really lived.
	He asked to be called Cooper spelled K-E-W-P-E-R.
	He served as a First Lieutenant with the United States Army Signal Corps and he was a Central Intelligence Agency Administrator getting paychecks from both sides, the military and the CIA.
	He worked for a man who had been in the OSS during World War II, which was the Office of Strategic Services that became the Central Intelligence Agency in 1947.
	Cooper and his CIA boss and three others from a very special unit that were formed to study and analyze 16 millimeter film, photographs, and drawings from around the world of unidentified craft and beings in a particular base in the southeastern part of the United States, which remains sensitive to this day.
	In August of 1958, this group of five men traveled to the Papoose Mountain Range, S4, near Groom Lake, Famous now Area 51 at Nellis Air Force Base for a very special meeting with a Air Force Colonel who was only identified as Jim.
	And as we pick up for a brief excerpt from this interview, you will see how it resonates with what Bill Hamilton, Bill Uhaus, and Dan Burish said about JROD.
	He just mentioned that now we're going back out into the general office area and the other smaller hangar area and to see the extraterrestrial being that they had there at the time.
	And then they had a special room for viewing that had one-way windows in it, this type of thing, one-way mirrors rather, and we could look Through the window into this small office and then part of the being that was in there naturally was unable to see us through the mirror because there was a mirror on his side.
	And what happened?
	The being was I think what the colonel called him was a grey.
	He was a grey.
	He had a large head and he had the bigger eyes.
	Kind of slanted, bigger eyes.
	He looked like he was wearing sunglasses because his eye lenses were real dark.
	And then kind of a slim face down to a peak of chin with just a little nose area and a tall, tiny slip of a mouth.
	And then just holes in the side of his head for ear openings.
	About how tall?
	Probably about five feet, something like that.
	Could you see its feet, and was it wearing any clothes?
	Yes, it had some, I would say, classified as, like, civilian clothes on.
	And I never saw his feet, so I don't know if he had little shoes on, or if he had his own feet, or just what he... And you couldn't see the feet?
	No, never saw the feet either.
	Because he was behind this desk area and all I could see was probably from just above his knees.
	Okay, so your boss and these three men go in the room and you're watching them interact.
	How did they interact with this being?
	They were questioning, they did ask, my boss did ask him, what are you doing here and why do you come here?
	This type of thing and the only answer that he had gotten was that we're not here to conquer the earth, we're not here to destroy anything, that we were here to add like knowledge to humans and so on and so forth so they can gain more knowledge in different areas.
	And did he describe to you how the being communicated back?
	Just telepathically that he He heard what the being had said, not through his ears, but like in his mind.
	Did somebody explain why this being was even being kept there?
	No, they wouldn't tell us why he was kept there, how long he had been there, anything like that.
	They would not... I think one of the answers was, we cannot talk about that, I believe was kind of the main answer.
	He did mention that it was scientists working specifically with the the aliens and to get further information from them, but
	that was not information that he felt that we needed.
	We just needed to be able to identify the alien if we saw photographs of something came
	in from overseas.
	Was there any kind of a threat?
	No, they didn't really consider it as like a big threat, but there was always a, like,
	we don't know for sure, but we don't think that they're going to be harmful to us, but
	we don't really know for sure.
	You know, we can't say for sure that they're not trying to invade or checking us all out, checking out our military, because all the Even at that time, a lot of the saucer sightings were always around classified areas and any military bases, this type of thing.
	So it looked almost like they were scouting, you know.
	By the time that you left Army Signal Corps and the CIA in 1960, Did you have any further debriefing about the beings and were they referred to as extraterrestrials?
	Um, yes they were referred to as extraterrestrials.
	They were, uh, most of the time they referred to the one out there as just gray, as being gray, as a gray, you know.
	That the one at Area 51?
	Yes, as a gray.
	And here you have a common denominator between Bill Youhouse describing and drawing a shirt, a man's, a human man's shirt on the J-Rod and Cooper drew for me a drawing that I have in reports on this tonight at the top of my website www.earthfiles.com It is very interesting to see that these many years apart in these stories, that here is a detail of a civilian man's dress, civilian dress, on what Cooper is describing from August of 1958 at the Papoose Mountain Range, and what Bill Youhouse is describing from his experiences working even at a conference table with
	Edward Teller.
	This is one of the things I did an interview with Bill Hamilton about this and this is one of the remarkable parts is that Bill Youhouse said that the J-Rod dressed in his male shirt sat at a conference table with Edward Teller and about 18 other scientists and this was in the project related to building a quote-unquote flying saucer simulator Which Bill Hamilton thinks was occurring in the 1970s.
	And as each decade has come up, and we keep getting more and more of these stories, they are beginning to fit together now into something that I think is beginning to take on a coherent whole, that survival is an issue, theirs, ours, the planet's.
	That the military intelligence and the corporate, we call it our military-industrial complex, has a vested interest in getting technology from apparently one or more different types of non-humans who are interacting with this planet, probably have been for millennia, and that if the time travel aspect is a reality, is a fact, at least for one of or two of the species, as Bill is saying through the eyes of Dr. Dan Burrage that there are at least two, a humanoid, more humanoid one, and then the J-Rod one that would fit into this S4 category, and that they have something to do with two streams from our future.
	Is it possible that there is mixed in the Earth right now Even yet, extraterrestrial biological entities from other solar systems and other galaxies in this universe in what we consider to be our quote-unquote present time.
	If it is that mixed, it might explain why the level of confusion that remains even to the people who are in the program to this day, as Dr. Dan Burish expressed to Bill Hamilton, His frustration at not being able to understand fully what was happening.
	My God, that's a lot of coincidence, Linda.
	One, two, three tonight.
	Amazing?
	Yes, amazing.
	Well, this is why I wanted to bring these particular three people together tonight.
	Obviously.
	This has been, in my opinion, a communication from another world.
	Each one of them brought a different part of it without knowing Not necessarily.
	Linda knew something of what Bill Hamilton had brought.
	Well, when I first got Linda on the phone here in the last segment, I've got to tell you, she said, oh my God, what a show!
	This is amazing!
	So it was obvious she wasn't fully aware of what was about to unfold.
	No, I have talked with them both, but there is something that is different, even for someone like myself, who has spent so much time talking at great depth with people like Bill and with Dr. Lear.
	Well, when you realize that what you're listening to is going out to North America in a radio program and that it is... Can you imagine this show ten years ago?
	I don't think it would have occurred.
	It would not have.
	Yeah, there is something about what happened tonight and what seems to keep unfolding.
	As if, uh, whether or not the government is ever going to be in a position to stand in front of microphones and say, yes, this is, uh, we're not the only game in town here.
	It's happening.
	Whether the government is stepping up to the plate or not, it is happening.
	It is unfolding and it is unfolding through programs also like Coast to Coast and Dreamland.
	And I saw the three parts of the message.
	And I realized because of the fact that the three people had never gotten together to build the message, and yet it was coherent that it had to be real.
	In my opinion, this is the first time right now on this radio program that anyone has consciously communicated a message from another world, and I think that's what we did tonight.
	Well, you know, if I may add one footnote, kind of circling back right at the beginning of the program when you all were bringing up the Winchester Code.
	Linda, your comments on that, please.
	Yeah, Whitley knows because I did the first Dreamland report.
	I was in the air flying back from England on the day of the 15th and getting back late early in the morning of the 16th and this was reported publicly for the very first time on the 16th and I got calls from Lucy Pringle and Charles Mallet and people when I got home and I immediately started interviewing people with Lucy's help, with Charles' help and talked with the farmer and talked with his tractor driver to find out that in fact part of that formation
	was there in the field at 8 a.m.
	on Wednesday August 14th.
	It was then apparently completed by the 15th when it was first reported and then on the morning of the 16th a woman on a horse was riding up in this very high hilltop field.
	There were many different reports about who had first called it into a radio station and which radio station but it turns out that it was a woman on a horse And that's how it started going public and there had also been emails that had gone to the Crop Circle Connector and to Lucy Pringle saying on Thursday afternoon that there was a formation which everybody agrees cannot be seen in terms of what it is from any place but the air.
	And because this is a formation in which the tractor driver confirms that part of it was there on Wednesday morning, it means that it had to have been made somewhere between Tuesday night to Wednesday morning.
	It was not reported until Thursday afternoon, and this is not typical of what we call the classically mysterious formations.
	It suggests that somehow this was constructed over a timeline, but everybody, right from the beginning, from Charles Mallet and the people who have gone into so many formations, they said This is, something about this is so unusual.
	It is not the fluidity of the truly mysterious ones.
	It doesn't have the cumbersome, very amateur look of so many of the so-called man-made.
	Is it possible that somebody, an agency on this planet, human, perhaps working with non-humans, decided to put this in this field, eight miles from where Chilbolton The face and the other binary code came down one year before on August 14, 2001.
	And that is a question mark that I think you need to put out there because... Linda, I saw it earlier tonight and almost blew a gasket.
	I mean, it was the first time that I'd seen... I just about blew a gasket.
	Everybody should take a look on the website.
	Folks, we're out of time.
	And that code is ASCII.
	It's human ASCII code.
	Well... Go to earthfiles.com and you can see that explanation for how it was made.
	Alright, alright.
	Linda, thank you.
	Oh, thank you.
	Thank you, thank you.
	As always, and Whitley, thank you, my friend.
	Oh, my brother.
	Thanks, Whitley.
	Good night.
	Good night, Linda.
	Thanks, Art.
	Good night, Art.
	Good night.
	That's it for this night from the high desert.
	I'm Art Bell.

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