Art Bell and Colm Kelleher (NIDS) discuss a Tennessee EMP-like incident at WJKM radio, where Ted Randall reports burnt antenna components, dead birds with heat-damaged wings, and suspicious nighttime activity near the abandoned Hartshole nuclear site—possibly linked to HAARP pulses. Kelleher highlights NIDS’s 1,000+ UFO cases, including silent black triangles near Air Force bases like Scott AFB and Wright-Patterson, and Montana’s mutilated cow with surgical-like precision cuts. Meanwhile, callers describe July 2001 V-shaped light formations in New Jersey and Michigan, unmatched by military or weather explanations, fueling theories of advanced tech or extraterrestrial visits. NIDS’s research suggests overlapping UFO and paranormal phenomena, with no definitive answers but mounting evidence of unexplained aerial activity and animal mutilations tied to potential government or unknown forces. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever it may be, wherever you are in the world.
This hour, you're going to get a story you just won't believe.
What in God's name happened to WJKM in Hartsville, Tennessee?
Some of you on the net may know something about this story.
Those of you who don't, hang in there.
We've got the man who was right in the middle of what happened at that radio station.
Something really weird.
As you know, we've had here, where I broadcast, we've had some sort of anomaly that actually took out our satellite, took out land, microwave, internet, Formi, everything all at once.
So we've experienced just a little bit of what they experience at this radio station.
You, JK, I'm in Hartsville, Tennessee.
We'll tell you all about it in a moment.
First, a couple of items.
The website has been down.
I guess Premier Radio physically moved the website, and the net has to catch up.
Now, most of you tonight, at this hour, should have the website back.
It's been gone for a couple of days, and people have been going ballistic, saying, what in God's name is going on?
First art's gone, then the website is gone.
Well, the website's back, and so is art, at least to some degree.
I will explain all of that in a moment.
Number one, if your local IP internet provider has not yet managed to do it, let me tell you a way to get to the website.
You just put in http: forward slash forward slash, and then the following numbers.
216.34.214.206 in your browser, and that'll bring it up until the name makes it to your internet provider.
Again, that's 216.34.214.206.
So the website, as far as we know for most of you, is going to be back.
And if you don't get it, you might try that direct route and you'll get there.
A second item, as you know or may have heard, my back has been oot, really oot.
And I don't know if anybody ever does this, but I am going to share with you a little bit of my MRI results that I received today.
And by the way, there are pictures of my...
Oh boy, do I have a story to tell you.
Matter of fact, there are photographs on my website right now at artbell.com of the MRI machine I went into.
And that sucker is narrow.
Oh boy, talk about claustrophobic.
Your nose is about, you know, about five inches away from the top of the tube.
And they put you in this little tiny tube.
And I've got to explain to you what happened during the MRI because, as you might well be aware, I was on the alert for any strange things that might occur and a couple did.
So I'll tell you about them.
But reading from the report of the radiologist in part, just in part, maybe some of you know more about this than I do.
At least I did not blow it.
The good news is I do not have a herniated disc.
The bad news is, let me read, right dorsolateral L3-L4 disc bulge abutting the right L4 nerve root in the lateral recess and causing a mild degree of right L3 forminal narrowing.
This could affect the L5 nerve roots in the lateral recesses.
Please correlate with symptomology.
So that's it.
It's pretty long, but I just read you what I consider to be probably the relevant points.
And then to add to all of that, how's this, folks?
I'm about four or five days into this disaster with my back, and I've got a bridge in my mouth, you know, lower molar in the rear.
And I had, of course, when they put in the bridge, I had a root canal.
They do that first.
Oh, they're fun.
And check this out, folks.
It looks as though one of the root canals failed.
So I had, my face was like a basketball.
Here I am.
I can't walk because of my back.
I can hardly sit or do anything else because of my back.
It's hurting so badly.
And I get a root canal that fails, and my face blows up.
So I had a backache and a toothache at the same time.
That is pain.
So how long I'll be here tonight is somewhat problematic.
I'm going to try to make it through because I really want to do this.
I've been so damn bored, you can't believe how bored I've been.
So there you have it.
That's the MRI.
That's the information on my back and my stinking tooth.
So I'm taking penicillin for that, and then they will try to save that tooth.
You know how that goes, right?
Toothache and backache at the same time.
It's been really a riot.
Hey, ratings are starting to come in.
Check it out, folks.
We're up to an 8.1 share in New York City on WABC.
And by the way, WABC just rocketed up.
Congratulations, Phil.
Congratulations, everybody at WABC.
What a job.
WABC is back, folks, big time.
And I mean, really back.
So, there you have it.
I wanted to tell you about the survey.
Tomorrow we'll probably have Los Angeles, and I will report the numbers to you as they come in.
I would like to welcome KFGO in Fargo, North Dakota, 790 on the dial, 5,000 big watts.
And I'd like to say hi to Dick Voigt, who's the general manager.
Ed Schultz, the ops director.
Jack Sunday, the PD.
That's KFGO in Fargo, North Dakota.
Then KFYR in Bismarck, North Dakota.
They're 550 on the dial there.
5,000 watts, that goes a long way on 550.
And KMAN in Manhattan, Kansas, 1350 on the dial.
That's KMAN, Manhattan, Kansas, 1350 on the dial.
Welcome, all of you, as we rocket.
And I mean, we are getting so close now to 500 affiliates, you can't believe it.
All right, more in the next hour.
Right now, well, coming up in a moment, actually.
What in God's name happened to WJKM in Hartsville, Tennessee?
I'll tell you a little of what happened.
I received the following email.
Energy Pulse kills birds and radio station.
At about 10.45 a.m. today, this was now last week, radio station WJKM in Hartsville, Tennessee was knocked off the air by a very powerful, strange energy blast.
Crystal clear blue sky, no clouds, no rain, no lightning.
Please consider my credentials, Art.
I'm the general manager of the station.
I was listening when it left the air.
To be brief, I'm the chief engineer for a group of Nashville radio stations.
I have a first-class FCC license.
I'm a ham.
WBAPUM.
I called the radio station, couldn't get any answer because of the phone system.
It was out.
There was one line working in the building out of 10, the fax line.
So I dialed it.
My sales manager answered it as there was no fax machine.
He said the power was out at the station and the newspapers, the Hartsville Vidette next door, the power had been knocked out in an area of less than a quarter of a mile.
One, all the radio station's lines were knocked out.
Two, several power transformers were blown several blocks away from the studios.
Smoke seen billowing out of one of them.
All the phone lines, this is three, all the phone lines at the newspaper, the Hartsville Vedette, the local farm co-op, and all other phones in this small radius knocked out.
Radio station transmitter lost all MOSFETs and the output tuning network.
All computers at WJKM lost their motherboards, network cards, and so forth.
6.
ISDN knocked out.
7.
Most of the equipment, Zephyr codes, and EAS all knocked out.
Not a cloud in the sky.
No lightning.
And there's oh, so much more.
Coming up in a moment, the man who is represented by what I just read, Ted Randall.
He'll tell us what in God's name happened at that radio station.
Let's find out what in God's name happened to WJKM in Hartsville, Tennessee.
Here is the man who is the chief engineer and more for an entire group of Nashville radio stations.
Ted Randall, Ted, what happened there?
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Well, Art, you tell you, I don't know.
I wish I had the answer to that, but it sure took us totally by surprise.
We were so off guard, you know, not expecting anything unusual that some of the stuff could have slipped past us real quickly, and we would have never known the difference.
When you lose so much of the radio station, that's not going to slip by you.
unidentified
Well, no, what I'm talking about is the other odd things.
In other words, we could have been so absorbed in just replacing equipment.
What kind of tipped me off is on my way in, our station secretary, Jennifer, told me, she says, well, you know, we found a dead bird in the back, and then she said there was two dead birds, and there was three dead birds.
I'll tell you, because after all this began to unravel, and I'm trying to figure it out because you're an amateur radio operator and you've got a little background on electronics.
But you're always looking for one, two, three, four, and some sort of chronological reason why something happens.
And up until that point, none of this was making any sense at all because the transformer that blew up was two blocks away or there was two.
Someone told me two transformers, one was smoking, and I don't know if there were two or one.
And I was never able to really confirm that with the power company, but one did go off.
Well, anyways, I've got some statements from some of these people.
Would you like me to play a few of them for you?
Absolutely.
I could start off with my sales manager who took the bird home.
And on the website, it's labeled Steve's bird.
In a way, it was kind of touching, it was tragic, and in another way, a little bit humorous.
And I don't know how you get all that going at the same time, but basically, that's what we have.
Now, this is what I got from Steve when I talked to Steve.
I'm talking with Steve, the sales manager of WJKM.
Steve, you were in the building on Friday when the lights went out, so to speak.
Correct.
Why don't you describe to me, if you can, what it was that you heard, saw, experienced, and what made it unusual?
Okay, well, the lights flickered a time or two, and then there was a kind of a low-level rumbling kind of noise.
It sounded like a little kind of electric current, like a raw.
It only lasted about two or three seconds, maybe.
It tops, two, maybe.
And that was about it, and then the lights were down.
Well, you talked to me before you said something about you never heard anything like that.
You'd never, you know.
I never heard anything quite like it.
It was rather unusual.
It sounded like somebody sounded like something hit something, and there was a charge go off or something.
Kind of like a rumbling like an electric current kind of thing.
You didn't see any lights or anything.
Outside, the sun was shining.
There were no lights inside.
Oh, okay.
Well, I didn't know.
Well, how is your bird doing?
The bird died.
The bird died.
Yeah, the bird died that night.
Your description of what the bird looked like was what, no?
Yeah, the bird's wing on one side especially looked like it was kind of like a broiled chicken wing.
And the wings were coming out right by the bloodline.
In fact, it was bleeding a little bit, but it was kind of curled a little bit.
And it looked as if even if the bird was able to recuperate some, there was some question the way that the feathers were coiled like that, if they would ever grow back.
And, of course, they can only light on one, unless you've got birds like we do out here.
They could make it across two lines.
But these little birds that died that you found all over the place, they couldn't have possibly been over two legs.
unidentified
Well, the thing that bothers me, let's look at it from a scientific standpoint, the bird's body is going to exhibit a certain amount of capacitance if it's on a line.
These birds, I was told by someone who supposedly knows, don't light on lines anyways, but because of the type of bird they were, and I got an email from a fella basically that said, what kind of idiots are you?
You don't know what kind of birds you have in your area.
Ted is chief engineer of a group of radio stations in Nashville.
And something awful happened to WJKM in about a quarter mile radius of that radio station.
Something incredible.
Something that brought birds out of midair, fried their wings, put them on the ground, destroyed just about everything in the radio station.
The transmitter itself lost all the MOSFETs, the output tuning network, ISDNs and so forth all knocked out, phones all knocked out.
Something really big happened there, and I think we better open our eyes.
Because we've had an EMP pulse out here, too.
I'm not saying that's what it was.
I'm saying somebody's doing something.
Once again, back to Ted Randall in Hartsville, Tennessee.
Ted, you're back on the air again.
So all of this damage to all of this electronic equipment, to your transmitter at the station, birds falling dead or wounded and dying out of the air, what do you imagine happened to you, Ted?
unidentified
I don't know.
I mean, a lot of folks have said EMP, and I had never even heard of the term.
Ted, you write in what you sent me, and I didn't read this part before, you write, I look over the local radio station and found the TVA, that's Tennessee Valley Authority, getting real upset if any of this was mentioned over the air.
You want to elaborate on that?
Why would they get upset?
unidentified
Well, this TVA thing is kind of a long-run thing with Hartsville.
What happened years ago, they began construction on a nuclear power plant there.
And when I took over as the general manager of the radio station, I was doing a little morning talk thing, and I was getting phone calls, and I would get people, would call up, and they would say weird things.
Like, the start was an elderly fellow that called me up, and he's very rural, sound like a farmer up in years.
And he started his conversation out with something like, well, they're just up to no good out there.
And I said, what are you talking about?
He said, well, I've got some beagles.
He said, I love beagles.
He said, I've always kept beagles.
And he said, I had some beagles.
And he said, you know, they'll run off on you sometimes.
They get to chasing after something.
And I, of course, I don't know that much about beagles.
But he said his got away one day.
A friend of his had called him and told him that he had seen the dogs, or one or two of the dogs, out by the nuclear plant cooling tower.
And so he decided to go investigate.
So he went out and he said he got out there in his truck and hopped over the fence because he said he could hear the dogs out in the thicket.
Within a few minutes, there Was a helicopter overhead, and he told me 30 people on the ground ushering him off the property.
And basically, from the way he talked, they were not real nice.
He even told me he had to take a nitro tablet when he got back in his truck.
He was so upset by the thing.
And he just basically had called me to tell me the story because we were joking because we had had other people calling up and saying things like they would hear a strange humming sound at night, and it would be followed by, or during this time, there would be unmarked black helicopters that would be going to and from the site, C-130 transport planes going to and from the nuclear site.
Really?
Really?
And, you know, I mean, all of the, you know, at first, I mean, we didn't know what to think.
I mean, what do you think?
I mean, you hear all these stories.
I mean, you know, and I'm sitting back trying to piece it all together.
So one afternoon, my son David and Matt, who are with me right here now, we took a ride out there.
We just wanted to see what it would look like.
I took a camera with me because there's a bunch of old Army barracks looking buildings, and they have an incubator going with supposedly with some businesses.
And there are some businesses located out there that are on that property or adjacent to the property.
And on the way out, there's a lot of hills.
It's a very picturesque area.
It would remind you of some pictures you might see of the countryside in Germany.
I mean, it's really beautiful out through there.
And all of a sudden, here's the nose of a C-130 pop up over the top of a hill with its nose up in the air.
And I turned to David.
I said, that thing just took off from someplace.
I said, either that or they were very low to the ground.
Well, Fort Campbell, Kentucky is not too far away from there.
And we've been told that Fort Campbell will fly airplanes and helicopters to do maneuvers, you know, and turn around and come back.
But there was just something really odd about this.
When I saw it, it just looked to me as if it had just taken off.
It had all the characteristics of an airplane taking off, you know.
Yeah, saying, well, you know, but in a nice way, saying, you know, you've upset them, they're not going to, you know, they may not donate the land and all that.
So I'd back off a bit.
And then all of a sudden you wouldn't hear anything else about this land donation.
And then the latest thing is that the local power company and the TVA are going to combine to make an industrial power park to guarantee power to certain businesses.
Well, that sounded real well until they introduced this other element of surprise, and that is they're going to take three years to do an environmental study.
And then I just come uncorked on the air one morning and I said, look, you build a nuclear power plant.
You authorize a piece of ground to do nuclear fission on the banks of the Cumberland River where Nashville, Tennessee gets its water supply.
What more studying do they have to do to legitimize, you know, I don't know unless there is something else happening.
unidentified
A gentleman that lives in the area that I got acquainted with, and he's a very, very highly skilled electronics person that his business is, believe it or not, surveillance, had a piece of property on a hill, and he had a chance to view the nuclear facility, had radar set up up there for weather and whatnot.
And I got a little clip from him.
If you'd like me to play it, if you have time, I will.
But he describes quite a few things that, and it's very much the same of what we hear.
Your antenna, of course, would act as a collection point for any energy suddenly distributed and would feed it backwards through the tuning network into the transmitter.
So that's one thing to consider, I suppose.
You can consider the line voltage coming in going the other way, but this is the end of the transmitter chain, folks.
So I would think it more likely, would you, Ted, that it came the other way?
Talking with, I guess what I'll choose to use Well, we can use Dave.
Okay.
Don't go any further than Dave.
All right, Dave, quickly.
You've got some property or had some property.
Had some property, yeah.
How many acres of property were there?
Oh, it was about 10 acres.
And about how far were you located from the nuclear power site?
We're approximately about two miles from there.
Okay.
Now, what was it you had happen?
You discovered this by accident, but.
Well, actually, by, see, we were in the process of moving from California to out here in Hartsville, Tennessee, right by the nuclear plant.
And we were doing a lot of construction work on the house and the trailers and things of that nature.
And I had a fluorescent bulb in my hand, and we were kind of just walking around.
And it was at night.
It was probably about 8 or 9 o'clock at night.
And noticed that the fluorescent bulb lit up.
And I says, what in the world is causing this thing to light up?
I didn't have any transmitters or anything going, which I'm into transmitting apparatuses and things.
And this thing just lit up.
Couldn't understand what the heck was going on.
And it did it two nights in a row.
As far as heliacs or helical coils go, we had an interesting look at the Hartshole nuclear plant down here within the last year.
And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of turns of piping that goes around in a helical dimension.
It's kind of very similar to a coil.
Now, I was thinking that if lightning was to strike in close proximity to that tower, it could be enough voltage in the air to excite that coil and could cause all kinds of strange things.
What if that coil were excited at the bottom, though, much like a Tesla coil?
Coil?
How does lightning strike?
It goes from the bottom up.
I think it's negative on the bottom and positive on the top.
Is that how it goes?
I don't know.
But anyways, the other thing I wanted to ask you about, too, is you've monitored up on the hill where you're at.
You've had a radar system set up there.
And you're monitoring basically for the purposes of weather.
Weather.
Yeah, weather radar.
And incoming aircraft.
But in the process of this, you noticed that there was some other radar coming from where?
Now, are you sure this was radar coming from there?
No, I'm not sure.
As a matter of fact, I don't really know what it is.
I can tell you that it's interference.
Radar is very ambiguous anyway.
Just because you see something on the radar screen does not mean it's exactly where it says it is.
But anyway, the area where the interference was coming from was like a beam.
Every time the sweep would come around, there would be this beam of interference that would be towards the nuclear plant.
And I plotted it out right down to the foot, just about.
And it's within the nuclear plant tower, the actual stack.
So there is some interference coming over there.
I've noted that probably about a half a dozen times already.
You know, with interference in that area.
There's another radio tower that's right near the nuclear cooling plant.
Yeah, a couple thousand feet from there.
It looks like an AM broadcast tower for some reason.
That's what it looks like to me, but there's insulators that are all busted up inside the guy lines.
Which makes you think that it would radiate like a broadcast tower to, you know, the insulators would be used to break up the radiation so that it doesn't react with the, you know, the guy wires.
Well, has anyone ever explained what that's for or what they're using it for?
Somebody told me it was used for NOAA, the National Oceanic Aviation Administration, or, you know, something having to do with weather.
But the thing is, is during major storms like tornadoes and stuff, I've actually monitored on a spectrum analyzer different frequencies and have never seen or heard anything directed or coming from that tower.
So if they're using it for NOAA, what is it?
What else have you noticed?
Okay, you're in the area and you're high up in the air.
You're able to look and observe that nuclear plant area.
Well, I think the first thing that people ought to be noted that there are aviation lights on the top of that thing to prevent aircraft from striking it.
So a lot of flickering lights and things like that probably come from the top of that thing for the FAA regulations that require them to still have that thing lit.
I've noticed some pretty peculiar stuff that goes on over there.
There's a lot of activity with trucks, cars, all hours of the night, very clandestine, strange, covert operations going on over there, and there's no doubt about it.
And everybody's pretty hush-hush about it.
They don't say anything about it.
You kind of wonder what is really going on over there.
He's deputy administrator for NIDS, which is the National Institute for Discovery Science.
It's no less than the largest private investigative agency of its type in the world, looking into matters paranormal and strange.
And speaking of that, and in celebration of our 8.1 share in New York City 12 Plus, we had a big sighting in New Jersey.
One way to celebrate it, right?
It was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
According to one eyewitness, they were just hovering, and then they just disappeared one at a time.
Each one started to fade until they were all gone.
Some witnesses thought the phenomena may have been a sign of alien presence.
Others called it a miracle, but no one knows just what it was.
All they can do is attempt to describe it.
I'm reading from a newspaper article from ABCNews.com where I've got a very good connection.
Entitled Strange Lights, New Jersey Mystified by UFO sighting, and my guest will have some illumination himself on this subject in a moment.
By all means, if you didn't hear it, go back and listen to the first hour of the program tonight for whatever in heaven's name happened to WJKM Radio and the newspaper and about a quarter mile area in Tennessee that Ted Randall just finished describing.
In the first hour, I've also given you a report on my back actually read from my MRI.
You can see a picture of my MRI, the website.
And I'll try to update you on a lot of other things that are going on.
But coming up in a moment, Column Collaher.
And he'll tell you what's going on all over the place.
When did I last see Colum Collaher?
Well, actually, I was watching television the other day, local NBC affiliate here in Las Vegas, and who should be there but Column Collaher sitting out by a fire, dragged up there by the TV station, I suspect, at Area 51, sort of warming his hands by the fire and waiting for lights in the sky.
Well, over the last 12 months, we've had a few calls, mostly late-night calls, from people who have seen different formations of lights over the Luxar Hotel and from the Strip, people calling in on their cell phones.
There are some parallels with the alleged lights in Phoenix, but we haven't been able to go further than just getting the descriptions from the people because nobody has shot really good video footage.
Probably not, because the sightings in Phoenix were very, very spectacular.
This is the March 13, 1997 sightings that we're talking about here.
And we're estimating that hundreds of people actually saw a large triangular object beginning at about 8.50 p.m. on the 13th of March, 1997, beginning in Henderson, Nevada, and then moving down the valley over Phoenix and then ending up in Tucson.
That's what we call a spectacular sighting.
And, you know, then there was the various video cameras that got probably from three different angles a whole bunch of lights down there over the South Mountain over Phoenix.
Now, we're not sure if they're the same phenomenon that happened, but we were fairly sure that several eyewitnesses actually saw an object, a large triangle-shaped object coming down.
Well, the media attention, especially today, has been really phenomenal.
We've been getting telephone calls.
Actually, yesterday we started getting emails, and then early this morning we started getting telephone calls from all over the country and from newspapers in New Jersey and radio stations on the West Coast.
And they're all focused on this event that happened on Saturday Night, early Sunday morning, in a small area called Carteret.
I hope I'm pronouncing it right, in the area of New Jersey.
It's on the New Jersey Turnpike.
And multiple eyewitnesses saw 12 to 15, ranging between 12 and 15, orange lights.
They were moving together in what appeared to be a V formation, but we've also heard diamond-shaped formations.
And apparently they changed formation.
They were fairly low in the sky.
So these were bright orange structures.
There was no noise, according to the eyewitnesses we've talked to so far.
And according to other eyewitnesses, it was a single object.
However, the people we've talked to so far have just been reporting the actual lights.
And I know that the various newspapers, New Jersey newspapers and ABC did a story on it yesterday.
They've been talking about actual objects, large triangular-shaped objects.
Yeah, the only thing that we're missing from the weather data, and we're trying to collect it right now, is the wind speed and direction of the wind in that area, just in case there is a trivial explanation to this.
But we did have a message from the police chief in Carteret, New Jersey, who said that about seven of his officers scattered around had actually seen these objects.
And other reports we've seen, we're talking about 70 to 75 cars that were parked on New Jersey Turnpike looking at these objects.
Well, in the piece that I referred to at the top of the hour, the Channel 3 piece, they talked about even referencing the Phoenix lights and what was seen in Las Vegas, the possibility that the military has some new kind of secret flare that somehow manages to hover in mid-air.
I can't imagine a parachute that allows a light to hover, but that's what they alluded to.
And then they went on to say, well, the military has never admitted they have anything like that, so, you know, that could be a red herring, but they did mention that.
Yeah, one of the things that we've been looking at, and this is just a hypothesis, but I don't know if you remember the famous Rockford lights in Illinois.
Which are very, very similar to some of the descriptions that we've been getting.
In other words, they usually manifest as 12 to 15 lights that appear to travel in formation, and they've been seen probably four times in the last year over Rockford, Illinois.
Now, we did a bit of background check, in fact, quite a lot of background checking, on the second, the penultimate incident that was reported.
And we found that a couple of the eyewitnesses mentioned that they actually saw burning garbage bags dropping from the same area in Rockford, Illinois, where these objects were seen.
Now, we did some tracking on this, and apparently there is a well-known hobby called fire balloons, where you actually manufacture an actual balloon using a transparent garbage bag with candles, and these things can fly at up to 2,000 feet.
There are websites all over describing these.
Now, we're not saying that the New Jersey sightings, it's way too early to start speculating because we still have a lot of background to do on the eyewitnesses.
But the Rockford, Illinois, some of the Rockford, Illinois sightings are striking in that these objects have actually been seen dropping into parking lots around the same time as the lights have been seen.
But it's a possibility that we're going to look at.
The other aspect is that We do know, we've seen from the written reports that people have described large black triangular objects in New Jersey.
you know, there's a discrepancy there between the hypothesis of the candles and the balloons.
If it happens in Rockford, Illinois, the chances are, you know, it's probably associated with these fire balloons.
But who knows?
New Jersey, this is the first time that we've had a major report like this coming out of New Jersey.
Now, we know there's been at least two newspaper articles, and I know there's a third one appearing tomorrow in the Star Ledger in New Jersey on this topic, as well as CNN, as well as ABC.
So they really did pick it up, and it went on the Drudge website there earlier today, which is pretty widely dispersed.
We've been getting calls from radio stations on the West Coast, specifically on the West Coast, and a couple in Chicago asking about this New Jersey sighting.
So there's a lot of interest in it to see exactly what happened.
Yeah, we've actually gone after, beat the bushes for eyewitnesses, and then we've cataloged the cases, and we've put them onto a gigantic map of the United States to see if there's any patterns.
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Back now to NIDS Collum Collagher, and I want to give out that number once again.
It's the hotline number.
You can use it.
Well, we'll find out in a moment.
It's area code 702-798-1700.
702-798-1700-1700.
And you can make a report.
And listen, if something has really happened, NIDS has the resources.
They have high-level scientists and investigators.
And if necessary, they'll put them on a plane and they'll get them to your area and they will investigate what's going on.
That's the kind of organization this is.
Bob Bigelow funds it.
He's got the money.
He can do it.
And by God, he's doing it.
He's one of the few people in the world that have opened up in the way, actually, he may be one of the only private individuals who's opened his wallet the way he has and is doing this kind of serious investigation.
By the way, NIDS has just been honored, in my opinion, a great honor, by being the only agency or private concern listed in official FAA manuals to receive their reports from pilots and that sort of thing.
Actually, that has just come into effect officially on the 12th of July, so it's only a few days ago.
And it's taken probably a year and a half of behind-the-scenes negotiation going back and forth.
It began actually in late 1999 with a communication from NIDS to high-level people in the FAA.
And then there were meetings in Washington, several meetings in Washington, where the items were discussed.
And it really helped that at one of those meetings, one of the FAA personnel was an air traffic controller in a former lifetime, so to speak, who had been promoted up through the ranks.
And he was at one of those meetings.
But he had actually seen several uncorrelated targets on his screen.
So he knew what NIS was talking about.
So we didn't have to explain that UFOs were particularly real.
He knew.
So that was a really big shot in the arm for us.
And then eventually in January of this year, four manuals, four separate manuals for the FAA were designated for change.
And we are now the sole, NIDS is now the sole contact point in the United States for the FAA to report airline pilot sightings, air traffic control.
Well, the pilots are really looking for a safe haven in order to report these things.
That's been one of the problems.
Now, with this mechanism, the NIDS-FAA relationship, there is a safe haven because there's a guarantee of anonymity, there's a guarantee of confidentiality, so that the pilots will have a mechanism for transferring the reports without going through huge amounts of paperwork, filling out the forms.
And I'm not sure how it will affect the psychological exams because some airline companies deem it necessary to put pilots through psychological exams.
And obviously, military pilots have to go through psychology exams, too, if they report.
Yes, but I think less than there has been, because I think the recognition by the FAA, the official recognition, it's in black and white in their manuals, will go a long way towards alleviating that discomfort that pilots had.
So we think it's a positive step, and it's a case of gaining the momentum as time goes on.
As more FAA managers see these new inclusions, the word will go around.
We're already getting calls from FAA managers calling us to see exactly what we do and why we do this.
Yeah, it's going to be pretty exciting because I think we have a small percentage of pilot sightings, but we'd really like to increase that number because there is a credibility factor there.
I mean, these people are very well-trained observers.
Well, I was about to ask, what do you imagine the FAA attitude, if you had any private conversations with people there, about the fact that, well, my gosh, not only are there incredible sightings, but in Mexico, near Mexico City, as I'm sure you're aware, there have actually been collisions with UFOs.
So it would be, it seems to me, if nothing else, a matter of straight-out air safety to be trying to figure out what's going on here.
Now, the air safety issue has not come up on the radar screen, excuse the pun, in the United States to the same extent as South America.
We know that, for example, in addition to Mexico, the Chilean Air Force and airlines in the past couple of decades have had a couple of near misses.
And that has prompted the Chilean government to take UFOs extremely seriously.
They formed an organization called CEFAA.
And our organization is in touch with CEFAA for that reason.
There's a big air safety issue, in our opinion, with the multiple low-flying triangular aircraft that have been seen and documented over the United States airspace in the last 10 years.
And that's one of the features that we've really focused on in the last year or year and a half since our hotline opened.
We've had over 100, between 100 and 150 calls, reports of extremely low flying triangular objects.
We think that the kinds of altitudes that are being reported with these triangular craft are unsafe and they may constitute a safety hazard.
Well, you know, one of the things that we've been really interested in doing is putting the exact locations of all of the sightings that we've got, and we're at 130 to 140 of these, of the kinds of craft that you've just described, all over the country.
And we put them on a map, and then we plotted on the same map the locations of Air Force Material Command and Air Mobility Command, Air Force bases.
These are a subset of United States Air Force bases all over the country.
And the reason we're doing that is because they are, the two commands control the logistics of troop and equipment deployment within the United States and actually internationally.
But we have put these on a map, and this is on our website, and we find that there is a close correlation between the locations of the UFO sightings and the flight paths between these Air Force Material Command and Air Mobility Command Air Force bases.
Now, we don't know the interpretation of that, whether this is an unacknowledged aircraft that is being flown by the United States Air Force or that it's some kind of monitoring that's going on.
In other words, it's not ours.
There are two separate explanations.
But what we've done to extend this particular study is we've contacted MUFON, you know, the mutual UFO organization.
And we've also contacted Larry Hatch, who is manager of one of the largest UFO databases in the world.
And we've persuaded both those groups to give us their data.
And we've done exactly the same thing with their data as with our data.
So now we have three separate databases where we put them on maps of the United States.
The MUFON database is close to 100 sightings of black triangular objects.
And the Larry Hatch is over 300.
So we have three separate databases that are saying essentially the same thing.
There does seem to be a clustering on the flight paths between the Air Force Material Command, Air Force Bases, and Air Mobility Command in these three separate databases.
And the reason we compared databases was just to see if we were getting a skewed sample.
And it looks like we're not.
So we find that particularly interesting, but we still do not want to come down completely on the side that this is an unacknowledged aircraft.
It may simply be a very intense monitoring that's going on.
The two foci focuses in the United States are Scott Air Force Base, which is headquarters of the Air Force Material Command, and Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, which is obviously very well known, goes back in history, you know, as the alleged parking place for the crashed UFO recovery.
That was really the beginning of our interest in these large triangular wedge-shaped objects.
And the fact that it was so near Scott Air Force Base, it's one of 130 sightings that we now have, but we're fairly sure that it was associated with Scott Air Force Base, or else it was monitoring Scott Air Force Base.
So short answer to your question, Art, is that we haven't come down on either side yet.
Do you have any personal best guesses about whether we're dealing with aircraft that our military has designed or aircraft that our military may have designed with help with help?
No, that's not an easy question to answer because essentially you run out of data very, very quickly.
The easiest thing in the world is to overinterpret the data, and that's where that is going.
But we think if we publicize the findings that I've just described from the three separate databases, that if this is an unacknowledged aircraft, then people are refueling it, people are flying it, people are maintaining these aircraft all around the country.
So somebody's going to come forward at some stage to admit it.
If the eyewitness testimony that we've gathered over the last year and a half is accurate, then, and if these are unacknowledged aircraft, we have mastered technology that is silent, that's capable of jumping, literally jumping across the sky, because we've had multiple descriptions of that.
And by that, I mean being in one place one second and a couple of seconds later being several miles down.
Pretty compelling eyewitness description in the January 2000 sighting in Illinois from two separate police officers described the same thing that this object seemed to be right close to him at one second and then a couple of seconds later was a few miles down the way.
And that is a repetitive feature of these descriptions.
So we're pretty confident that the eyewitness descriptions are corroborative.
So if it is an unacknowledged aircraft, we have some very advanced technology.
In fact, I was going to say, if we have learned how to defy gravity or take a craft of the mass and size that I saw and fly it utterly silently above your head so you could hear, I was listening to crickets a quarter mile away as this thing came over my head, and it didn't even make a whisper, not even a shh, nothing.
Well, it's been pretty busy in the last few weeks, and it seems to be escalating.
That's what we've noticed.
But I just want to run through a few of the things that we're working on and include one of the animal mutilations that we're working on towards the end.
Okay.
About 10 days ago, we got a call from a police officer who had been on vacation with three other law enforcement officers.
He was up in Voyager National Park.
That's located in northern Minnesota.
It's way up by Lake Superior.
In fact, it's about the most northern part of The United States.
Next up is Canada.
And so there were four vacationing law enforcement officers.
About 1 a.m., one of them woke up, and this was about 10 days ago, to see a very bright object in the sky.
And they assumed it was either a very large planet or something, and then it started to move.
And, you know, we really solicit testimony from law enforcement officers because we think they're very good, well-trained observers.
I wanted to play you a short segment of what one of the officers had mentioned to us.
It was between, this began around 12.15 to 12.30 in the morning, and this was about 10 days ago in northern Minnesota.
There was four of us camping on a very, very, very remote area.
It's basically rivers and bays, you know, and cliffs and stuff like that.
It's very remote.
At National Park, we're camping at one of their campsites.
And there's four of us in two tents.
And me and my friend were half asleep in our tent.
And my other two friends, one of them kind of asked the other guy, well, what star is that?
Something like that.
And everyone gets up and looks at it.
And there's no star.
Apparently it had like a ring around it or something like that.
And it was what colour was it?
You know, it's red.
And it was red.
Like a ring around it or something.
And it started moving around.
The long and the short of it is we watched this thing for close to an hour.
It was in kind of the same general area of the sky, but it would go up and down and sideways back and forth and doing like almost like loops.
It was like loops, yeah?
Yes, there's like almost like figure eights and looped and loops in the sky and it would disappear and come back and it was completely clear that night, not a cloud in the sky.
You could see all the stars.
It was not like it was going behind a cloud back or anything.
And then we finally got out a pair of binoculars and looked at it.
And when I looked at it, two binoculars about dropped them.
What freaked me out so much?
It was you could very definitely see a bright center light, which was bright center light.
There's two brighter lights off on each side, which were kind of a reddish color.
And then there was a small light to the top and one small light to the bottom from the center.
And we've actually gone into, we've talked to all four people now, and they're pretty well backing each other up.
We independently interviewed them.
And it sounds like what they saw was something that was zigzagging and doing figure-eight formations in the area of the sky totally silently, no sound, for about an hour.
And we regard these guys as being pretty responsible individuals.
And that's why we want to solicit as many sightings from police officers as possible.
And the other segment that we're really focusing on is the security police, either retired security police officers or current security police officers from Air Force bases around the country.
And we're accumulating a separate database of sightings that these people are giving us.
And one of the reasons that we wanted to keep it low-key was because there had been a tendency for people to start camping out with picnic hampers and this kind of thing in the area just to see if they could see a UFO.
But as time went on, you know, those people became less and less.
But right now, we've documented approximately between 70 and 80 separate incidents on that ranch and in the area.
And most of those incidents are really difficult to repeat.
In other words, we never get the same thing happening more than once.
It's almost like a training exercise, so to speak.
That was one of the stranger ones because most of the phenomena traditionally that have happened have happened outside the range of the video cameras.
And the one that Bob Bigelow talked to you about, I'm pretty sure, was one that was actually caught dead on the video camera.
So very briefly for the audience, what happened was we had a string of video cameras on these telephone poles about 300 feet apart on this area.
And one video camera was looking at a second video camera, and then there was other video cameras looking 120-degree intervals.
So there was a total of 360.
But what happened was that the power was cut on three video cameras simultaneously because we saw the timestamp showed at 8.36 p.m. that the power was cut.
But exactly at the time that the power was cut, we had another video camera looking at that telephone pole, so we knew what was going on.
And the resolution was good enough for us to go back and video enhance what was seen on the camera.
And we could actually get good enough enhancement to see a very small red light underneath the video cameras that lost power.
The video camera resolution was that good.
In other words, we could easily see somebody interfering with that camera.
And all we saw was nothing.
We saw absolutely nothing on the camera except we saw them losing power.
So we knew that the time stamps were correct.
And at the same time, there was a on the telephone pole that contained the video camera that I've just described, there was a cord that was cut.
And there was about a foot to a foot and a half of wiring removed from that cord.
So we had one of the best forensics labs in the country look at that wire, and what came out was that the wire had been cut with a single-bladed rusty knife.
Now, the three cameras that lost power, this was not just a power glitch.
When we went back to the cameras and we checked exactly what had happened, the wiring had been forcibly ripped out of the cameras, and there was wiring going down the telephone pole that was anchored to the telephone pole by about half a roll of duct tape.
Now, I don't know if you've ever tried to take duct tape off wiring in the hot summer.
We had multiple scenarios where maybe somebody had crawled up in exact line with the telephone pole so they were out of view to try to do this.
But every scenario that we dreamed up was impossible because we had enough data from the video footage to rule out pretty well everything except something that was happening outside the visible range.
And that's where we kept it because all of the other scenarios did not work.
And that's one of between 70 and 80 separate incidents that happened on that ranch.
I was about to ask, Gollum, any idea why this particular ranch, both before you took possession of it and after you did, was the focus of so much abnormal activity?
We went out to between half a mile to one mile, maybe a couple of miles.
And many of the neighbors in that area, obviously a certain percentage refused to talk for whatever reason.
A lot of people want to maintain their privacy up in northeastern Utah.
But the ones that did talk, there was a lot of confirmation, a lot of corroboration of the kinds of things that were documented on this property were happening in the general area.
And that includes everything from animal mutilations to silvery disks that were seen during daylight to large black triangular shaped objects, small black triangular-shaped objects, and then a whole variety intermixed with these craft, a whole variety of paranormal phenomena.
Things appearing, disappearing, almost like poltergeist.
It's sporadic and it goes up and down, so it is completely unexpected.
There are no patterns that we've been able to discern in terms of when we can predict, where and when we can predict.
But we do know that if we take a look at between 70 and 80 separate incidents that have happened, the majority of the incidents that have happened are in the paranormal camp.
And then there's a substantial minority where there's physical, it looks like nuts and bolts craft.
And there's a variety of nuts and bolts craft have been observed by many people, including scientists, including other investigators, and including neighbors.
So there's a whole bunch of different eyewitnesses that we can call on.
And I've mentioned some of the incidents on previous shows with you, but they are pretty spectacular.
But the bottom line is that none of them have been repeated.
In our experience, it's very difficult to separate, in other words, to draw a line between the actual sightings of what we would term, for want of a better word, nuts and balls typecraft, from this continuum of paranormal phenomena.
And that includes balls of light, it includes discarnate voices, it includes black amorphous objects, it includes creatures.
So there's a whole variety of, and then there's the smells, there's strong pungent odors associated with these phenomena.
There's transient magnetic fields that we've measured six or seven times in association with these phenomena.
Well, if I see a craft and it's defying gravity or it disappears and then reappears a couple of miles later or many miles later, I might be very tempted to put it into the category, certainly not rule out the category of the paranormal.
That's our position because I think there's been historically there's been a mutual suspicion between the people who have traditionally studied paranormal phenomena and the people who have traditionally studied UFOs.
There's this suspicion from both camps that both of them somehow are really not studying the right thing.
And our position is follow the data.
Just follow what the data are telling us.
And the data are telling us is that there is no obvious line that you can draw in the sand between the UFO phenomena and the paranormal phenomena.
And one of our science advisory board members, Jacques Vallée, who is an eminent UFO researcher who has been doing this for decades, says exactly the same thing in his field investigations in the different parts of the country as well as outside this country.
If you dig deep enough and you ask questions with an open mind and you can get people to trust you, you will start hearing the paranormal variations on the UFO phenomenon.
Whereas if you go into an investigation primarily looking for the engineering characteristics of the craft and nothing else, you shut out everything else, that's what you'll get in the testimony.
If me back holds up, everybody, we're going to open lines at 1 a.m. Pacific in the next 30 minutes or so, but we're going to do one more segment with Colum Culliher from NIDS.
And I want to remind everybody out there that NIDS has a hotline.
They've got the resources.
They've got the people.
They've got the scientists.
All you've got to do is provide the reports.
The hotline number is Area Code 702-798-1700.
So, write it down.
Put it on your fridge.
Do whatever you do with little notes like this, along with 911 and whatever else you have handy.
Remember, area code 702-798-1700.
Column Colaher.
We'll be right back.
Once again, NIDS, Column, Color.
Column, you mentioned something earlier in the hour about animal mutilations?
A whole variety of reasons, including fear of what the neighbors will think.
If there's a particularly religious ranching family, some people see the mutilations as being profoundly demon-like.
And there's also, if several mutilations happen on ranchers' land, we've had reports from ranchers of banks calling in notes because they deem the ranchers incompetent at animal management.
And we've had actual cases where that has happened, where banks have come in and said, okay, guys, you're not up to it.
But we got an interesting case in the last 10 days, and this was an animal that was seen very, very healthy on the Monday and was found on the Wednesday, Wednesday morning.
It had, very briefly, and I'm looking at a photograph right now, a large part of its jaw, the flesh around the jaw, had been removed, exposing what looks like very, very clean bone.
And the cut around the, there's a circular oval cut extending from the nose all the way up to just below the eye and then down to below the lower jaw.
What we're in the middle of doing, actually, is making sure that we can get these skin samples, their hide samples, to a good forensic pathologist so that they can look under a low-power microscope and determine what kind of cutting instrument.
But according to the anecdote or the testimony from the rancher and the law enforcement officer, the cut was sharper than any knife that these guys could come up with because they tried cutting a bit of hide from the same animal and they couldn't mimic the kinds of sharpness that was seen on the animal.
These guys are pretty shaken by this because they have never had anything like this on their ranch before.
There was a case, a similar case, 10 days previously about four miles away.
We missed that case because the guy just didn't want to report it.
And we know that that area in Montana in the 1970s had dozens and dozens of animal mutilations because we documented that separately through another law enforcement guy that we've been working with up in Montana.
We know that the animal mutilation phenomenon is continuing.
We know that it's pervasive.
But we also know that, as I mentioned, we're only hearing about 10% of what's actually happening.
Every area that we've actually focused on, and I'm talking mostly about northeastern Utah and then further up towards Logan, Utah, which is at the very north end of Utah, we've focused on northern Montana and we've focused on northern New Mexico.
In each case, police officers, law enforcement officers have conducted in-depth investigations into cult activity.
By and large, in each case, cult activity has been ruled out.
There's a particular set of operations that cult members seem to go for, and that is mostly they use much smaller animals, and mostly there is more of a random, frenzied kind of cutting up of smaller animals.
It's very rare for cult members to attack the larger animals simply for logistical purposes, because, you know, you're going after a thousand-pound animal in a cult-like frenzy.
Well, you know, we're getting exactly the same reports as what you've just mentioned, where the famous or infamous black helicopters, they're not as common now as they were in the 1970s and 1980s, but we still get reports of that.
In fact, we got reports from Cache County, Utah in the last couple of years where, again, we're talking law enforcement agents have reported these silent helicopters that have come in and animals have been mutilated and The helicopters have been seen, so there is a definite military involvement.
We've also had testimony from a number of sheriffs, including Colorado, a couple in Colorado actually, where they've actually come upon the helicopter close to a mutilated animal.
They have followed those helicopters to Air Force bases.
We don't know if that's a monitoring operation by the military, but we do know that the helicopters appear to be real.
I just, you know, like in any crime, you look at means and opportunity and motive, and you look for motive, and I just cannot imagine a scenario where our military needs to pluck cows from farmers' fields or cut them up in the fields.
It just doesn't make sense.
If they want a farm, they can buy a farm.
Bob can do it, they can do it.
If they need a farm, if they need cows, they can get cows.
Well, we've heard the theory that maybe there's a squad where military people are trained to kill.
In other words, assassination training, where the object of the exercise is to train people to carry out silent assassinations that are close to houses, and that these animals are victims of training exercises.
But again, that's far-fetched.
In other words, that's breaking the law.
That's outside the normal procedure that we know about in terms of military operations.
But that's certainly one theory.
And we've heard any number of wild theories, but we do know that there's sufficient evidence and sufficient documentation to implicate that the military is at least extremely interested.
At the very least, it's monitoring the animal mutilation phenomenon.
Well, call me wild and crazy, but the one that I always bought into was aliens and the reason?
Environmental monitoring.
In other words, when you begin looking at the reproductive systems and organs of cows, you're looking at perhaps a pretty good read on the state of the environment in any given area.
That's one of the things, you know, my background is in biochemistry, and one of the things we always used to do when I was more of in biochemical research was if we wanted to generate large amounts of antibody against something, we injected animals, and then we harvested the blood or the tissue in order to purify these compounds.
Likewise, if you want to grow viruses, if you want to grow bacteria sometimes, or other parasites, you inject them into an animal, you wait for a week or whatever, and then you harvest them.
Now, obviously, again, we're talking speculation here with animal mutilations, but there does seem to be a focus on reproductive organs.
There does seem to be a focus on what one would call epithelial tissue.
And, you know, various organisms and viruses do grow preferentially in reproductive tissue.
The other aspect is that the reproductive tissue is very, very useful from a harvesting perspective if you want to generate stem cells.
Stem cells are very much in the news right now because of political issues, but if you want to generate stem cells, you go right for reproductive tissue.
Animal mutilations really caught the public eye late 1969 and 1970.
And then it began to peak in 1973 to 75.
There was really the entire decade of the 1970s was the major peak where pretty well every state west of the Mississippi was reporting animal mutilation.
That's the whole enigma because that's where the real anomaly is located in the animal mutilation phenomenon.
Not a single person has been caught or charged for mutilating these animals.
And the usual modus operanda is there's no tracks, there's no vehicle tracks, there's no people tracks, and usually there's no even predator tracks around these animals.
And that's one of the things that was striking about this recent animal in Montana.
The rectum had been cored out, and then usually when the animal begins to swell up, it pushes the intestines out.
Now, any predators or scavengers will go immediately for that area and start ripping it open food-wise because it's very accessible.
These intestines were protruding, but they were absolutely pristine.
They were untouched.
So we're pretty sure that this animal has not been touched by predators or scavengers.
Yeah, there are plenty of chemical reasons why predators wouldn't touch an animal.
That's if they've been injected with something or if they've been subjected to some heavy-duty shock That would release a lot of toxins that the animals would not be touched.
And that is a feature of, as you know, of animal mutilations where the animals are avoided.
One of the interesting things about this particular animal in Montana was that when the law enforcement officers and the owner cut away from the neck looking to see if anybody had stuck a needle into the jugular or whatever in order to kill this animal, they found an area just underneath the jaw that was bright green.
And they don't know what it is, so we have a sample of that and we're going to subject it to forensic analysis.
But one of the previous cases that we've worked on in Utah involved a bright blue gel-like substance that was smeared over the animal's eye.
And we subjected that to every conceivable chemical analysis that you can think of.
And we actually used about 10 different labs for that analysis around the country.
And we came up with compounds that had been added to the gel.
Compounds, one of them was BHT and the other one was formaldehyde, which obviously did not come from the animals.
So we're fairly sure in a small number of cases that compounds are added to these animals for whatever reason.
And back after quite an interesting time on vacation.
And then followed by kind of a really strange occurrence with a Philippine newspaper, the largest newspaper in the Philippines, and then my back going out and an MRI.
And I've got so much to tell you about that we're going to go into open lines here in a moment, and I'm going to tell you all about it.
So stay right where you are.
Oh, good morning, everybody.
All right.
I'm going to take a few moments out here, and I'm going to sort of explain a few things to you.
As you know, I came back from vacation just before July 1st, and I was due to come back on the air July 2nd.
That was the plan.
And on July 1st, on Sunday, July 1st, the largest newspaper in the Philippines, the Philippine Daily Enquirer, decided for some mysterious reason to publish this piece of utter trash that had been flying around on the internet for two or three years, almost three years actually.
Some fool out there wrote this horrid, racist piece of trash that they signed my name to, you know, just tearing apart the people of the Philippines and their culture and everything else, and signed my name to it.
It had been floating around the internet.
We'd been denying it for years and responding to every message, angry message from a Filipino, American, or Filipino.
And all of a sudden, out of the blue, even though we had lots of things posted on our site, which could have easily been checked, had the newspaper checked with me or the network or the website.
And as a matter of fact, in the original article they published, they quoted our website, but they didn't even bother to check the damn thing.
And so they published this article demeaning the Filipino people and their culture in the worst way you can imagine.
And it had the effect you can imagine.
We put a few of the death threats that I got as a result of this up on the website, but there were hundreds.
There were hundreds.
You just can't imagine.
It was mortifying.
It was awful.
And so these death threats were rolling in, and we thought it appropriate to get some guards here, and we did get guards, armed guards here at the house.
And I decided as soon as we had the guards in that I was going back on the air.
Well, we had guards in by, this occurred on Sunday.
Monday I was supposed to be on the air, wasn't.
Then I decided I would go on the air Thursday after the armed guards got here.
And I was about to go on the air Wednesday, late Wednesday.
I took a little solar candle, which are really cool.
They're solar candles.
They have a little charge thing on top, a little solar panel on top.
And it's shaped kind of like a candle, and it's got an LED light in it, orange, really neat.
And you let it charge, and it charges, and then for several hours, you have a solar candle.
It's really neat.
And I took it out to my front porch and put it down to charge.
And as I put it down, crack went by back.
This horrible sound.
You could hear it feet away.
And I was on my knees.
And from then on, it got worse.
A lot worse.
So that's what kept me off the air was my back.
Now, I just had an MRI, and I'm going to tell you about the MRI in a moment.
I'm going to do what most would not do, and I'm going to read you two lines from, I'm not going to mention the company, the people that did the MRI, the radiologist came back and said, along with a whole lot of other things, said, don't hold me to these words,
right dorsolateral L3-4 disc bulge abutting the right L4 nerve root in the lateral recess and causing a mild degree of right L3 forminal narrowing.
Then it says broad-based disc bulge at L4-L5 causing moderate lateral spinal canal narrowing.
This could affect the L5 nerve roots in the lateral recesses.
Please correlate with symptomology.
So that's a little bit from what they determined from the radiologist.
They just faxed this to me.
As a matter of fact, today I just got it.
Haven't even talked to the doctor about it.
So I hardly know what all of that means, but it sounds like something's reaching out and touching a nerve in there, and it's got me all bent over even now.
So that's, as I was putting up with that, and then a few days into that, check this out, as I said earlier, I have a bridge, lower molar back there, you know, type bridge, covers what would be the space of three teeth, right?
Anchored to two teeth, and then there's a space.
Anyway, my face began to look like a basketball.
Here I am all humped over with my back.
My face started to look like a basketball.
I had this horrible toothache.
And I went to the dentist, and they x-rayed, and they said, oh, well, and going to the dentist with my back like that was really something.
Sitting in a dentist chair with your back like that, oh, that's a real joy.
So here I am in the dentist chair going, you know, the mouth hurts and the back hurts.
And they x-rayed and they said, well, it's a failed root canal.
A failed root canal.
Underneath a bridge.
And maybe there's nothing you can do.
Or they can try drilling down through the bridge to correct it, but a failed root canal.
So here I was, the two worst pains you can nearly imagine.
You know, nerves in your back and nerves in your teeth all flexing at once.
At any rate, I just went and got the MRI that I just taught you.
Somebody said, why don't you show the MRI?
If I had it, I would.
I'd scan that sucker and put it up there, and I may yet if they give me a copy of it.
And I think they will if I asked.
At any rate, if you look on the website under vacation and MRI Photos from Art, you'll see the MRI machine that I went into talk about claustrophobic.
Holy mackerel.
It's a little tiny tube, or it seems little tiny.
The top of the tube when you're in there, and they put you all the way in is about five inches from your nose.
So you're really close in there.
This MRI machine makes a rocket.
There are all these noises that begin and like that.
And then another one starts resonating with that.
It sounds like five machines are going around you.
And they probably are.
And of course, it's an incredible magnetic field.
And I experimented.
I mean, after all we've talked about with MRIs, I thought, all right, fine.
Let's see what I can sense, what I can feel.
And so, as I was going, it took about 35 minutes, I think, in the machine itself, which is, believe me, as long as you ever want to be in there.
And I thought, I'm going to close my eyes, and I'm going to see what I can see.
It was relatively dim in there, rather dark.
And so I closed my eyes, and what I could see was pretty amazing.
It was kind of like clouds of light were forming before my closed eyes, if you can imagine that, kind of like a cloud, only they were moving very fast.
And one would form and move out of my vision.
One would form and move out of my vision.
Pretty fast, about that fast.
One would form, move out of my vision.
As this machine was going around me, I suppose, is the way it works, making a real racket.
It was so cool.
I didn't see a ghost.
I didn't see anything of that sort.
But I did see these white clouds forming and moving.
And it must have been the magnetic field.
At any rate, I thought that was amazing.
And when I came out, I talked to the man that you see.
As a matter of fact, I took a picture of his back.
He was monitoring the equipment there.
You can see the computers that he was monitoring.
And I asked him, I said, have people reported seeing strange things to you?
You do a lot of MRIs, obviously.
He said, oh, yes, all the time.
He said, yes, people report a lot of strange things, fellows sitting right there in front of the computers.
And I didn't engage him further in conversation about what they saw.
But I did take the opportunity to just lie there, because there's nothing else to do, believe me, and see what I could see.
And I saw these white clouds just continually forming and moving out of my vision.
And when the machine went off, they went away.
So there you are for whatever it's worth.
Now, if you'll go to my website under, let's see, what's it under?
What's new?
And you'll go to Vacation and MRI Photos from Art, you'll see a line of photographs here, and I'll briefly explain to you what they are.
One is of my RV, our RV, I should say.
A lot of people said, where are your antennas?
You know, well, all the other photos I've taken of the RV don't show the antennas.
But I thought I would go ahead and show in this photograph.
You can see on the right-hand side of the photograph is a 2-meter 440 antenna.
On the left-hand side is a screwdriver-type antenna for HF work.
And you'll note that I have extended, put a capacity hat on this screwdriver-type antenna, extended across the top of the RV, and it incredibly increases the range of the HF Rig in there, and I was talking to people in Germany while I was rolling along on the road and just having a blast.
So you can get a look at the RV and the antennas on it.
Down from that, you'll see the windmills in California.
As I came through California, mountains and mountains covered with windmills, and they were moving, by the way.
We've had discussions about this on the air before.
They were moving.
So take a look.
I should have had video so you could see they were moving.
A lot of people said, well, they're all shut down because, you know, birds were flying into them.
Well, they're not shut down, and the windmills were busily creating electricity as I came by, so I took a couple of shots for you.
That's in there.
Then if you go down a little further, you'll see a couple of shots of the network up in Oregon, a couple of the consoles and some of the people at the network in Oregon.
And if you go down below that, you will see a picture of Bob Crane standing there in the middle of his favorite place, a chocolate shop.
So that's obviously one of the places I went.
I went to Fort Tuna, California, and visited with Bob and Sue Crane and happened to catch Bob in this chocolate shop where he just bought all kinds of chocolate.
You can see the expression on his face.
He was a happy camper.
Chocolate Bob.
Then down below that is a picture of the Hardin Optical Company telescope box with Yeti, our newest addition to the family type cat, poking his little troublemaking head out of the box.
That's all he does many hours every day, as many as he can be awake, is look for and usually finding trouble.
Below that, you'll find a picture of the MRI machine and then one a little further away with the technician who did the MRI.
So, those are the additions to the photo album from this vacation that I had.
I need a vacation from my vacation.
Then, if you'll go to What's New, you'll see PDI editorial on Art Bell email hoax.
That's brand new as of tonight.
You might want to read that.
They just ran this editorial, one of many now that they have run in the newspaper about what happened.
And I would suggest you take a look at that.
If you click on that link for the editorial, it will take you to the editorial piece in the PDI.
Actually, you'll go straight to Philippines, and it's in English, and you'll be able to read it.
And it begins, last week we were had, or more precisely, one of our reporters, who also writes a column, was had.
She fell victim to a hoax on the internet.
A media colleague of hers, who now works with a channel News Asia, sent out an email on an item, which she read on the internet, saying that Art Bell, a radio talk show host, said nasty, racist things about Filipinos on his program, which is aired in the U.S. The writer-columnist wrote about what Bell reportedly said on his program.
The entertainment editor made the column the lead item and the banner story on the entertainment page because the item was picked up by INQ7.net and placed on its website.
It was read by tens of thousands of Filipinos and foreigners here and abroad.
Hundreds of Filipinos here and abroad wrote hate mail to Art Bell.
Some of them even threatened him and his family with harm, according to Bell's lawyers.
The senior editors and the reader's advocate conducted an inquiry and found that the item about Art Bell was indeed a hoax.
The inquirer, as a corporate entity, apologized to Bell in the same column where the erroneous item had appeared.
Columnist also apologized, and her apology was in the headline for the column for that day.
The error was deemed so serious by the editors that they served explain why letters to the columnist and the entertainment editor.
If they find the explanations of the two unsatisfactory, they'll be sanctioned according to a scale of penalties provided for by the Inquirer Code of Discipline.
The item was also the subject of two editorial assessment meetings held last Monday and yesterday.
The editors yesterday discussed a draft rule on information obtained over the new electronic and communication media.
It will be incorporated in the Inquirer Manual of Editorial Policies.
Why did the entertainment reporter columnist fall for the Art Bell hoax?
Apparently, she thought that it was a real piece of news having been posted on the internet and relayed to her by media colleague who was once a reporter for ABS-CBN Network.
Her nationalistic feeling was pricked by the racist things that Art Bell said in his radio program, and so she decided to bring them to the attention of her readers.
It turned out the report was not true, that Bell never uttered any such things.
Bell's lawyers said he demanded the rumor, denied the rumor more than two years ago.
They said Bell could not have uttered such racist remarks because his wife is half Filipino.
The editor was for treating the erroring reporter columnist with some consideration and compassion.
The editor said the internet is a relatively new medium, and probably the reporter columnist was not aware that hoaxes and scams were also being posted there.
I wonder how long they've been on the internet.
Other editors said the reporter columnist had the responsibility to check and double check every piece of information she obtains and decides to use in her column.
She could have discovered that the very items she wrote about had been denied had she visited the Art Bell sites whose addresses she herself wrote at the end of the column item.
A little checking could have saved her and the paper a lot of embarrassment and grief.
The publisher at last week's editorial assessment meeting stressed that reporters, writers, columnists, even editors have got to be wary of items posted on the internet.
The information highway is littered with a lot of trash, junk mail, rumors, hoaxes, and scams.
Nothing can be taken at face value, but has to be checked and rechecked.
The publisher said that the new communications media may have made the delivery of information faster, but it does not mean that all the information it is delivering is correct, accurate, and true.
Perhaps in mitigation of our error, we may point out That other world-class publications like the New York Times and Washington Post have fallen for hoaxes and scams on the Internet.
We're not the first, and certainly not the last, to fall for these hoaxes, rumors, and other bogus information offered on the Internet.
But we're adopting safeguards to make sure that we don't fall again for such scams.
All journalists, whether reporters, staff writers, columnists, or editors, have that constant universal obligation to make sure that everything they write about and publish is accurate and true.
Joseph Pulitzer, the giant of American journalism, expressed it well when he said that a journalist must always remember three words, and they are accuracy, accuracy, accuracy.
Through this editorial, we reiterate our apologies to RFL and to our readers for the column item that turned out to be a hoax on the Internet.
We've learned a painful lesson, and we hope the new rules governing information obtained over the new media will help us avoid a repetition of a similar error.
Well, that's it.
If you want to read it, it's up on the website right now.
But I thought perhaps I would read it to you.
And, you know, I don't know what we're going to do about the Internet.
I don't have a clue what we're going to do.
But obviously, there have got to be some sort of safeguards put in place.
And all of this has got to be balanced against the First Amendment, you know, the right of people to say what they want.
But when things loosely put on the Internet, especially hoaxes with people's names attached to them, where it might be dangerous for such thing to appear in the mass media, when the Internet and its hoaxes begin to cross into the mainstream media, then we have a problem.
And I don't know exactly how we balance it all out and enforce some sort of checks in all of this.
We live in strange times indeed.
And that was a sort of a prime example of what can go wrong.
Whether you want to talk about what occurred to WJKM in Hartsville, Tennessee, or what's occurred in New Jersey, the sightings in New Jersey, astounding sightings in New Jersey, or anything else you've heard tonight, now would be the time coming up.
I've got one more little item just before we go to the lines.
Here it is.
This is from Pravda.
Now, Pravda was certainly the official arm of the Soviet government, and is still really sort of the official arm of the Russian government.
And they write as follows.
This is unbelievable, I know, but it's from Pravda.
It's an expert.
Expert.
A spy satellite can monitor a person's every movement, even when the target is indoors or deep in the interior of a building or traveling rapidly down a highway in a car in any kind of weather, cloudy, rainy, or stormy.
There is no place to hide on the face of the Earth.
It takes just three satellites to blanket the world with detection capacity.
Now get this.
Besides tracking a person's every action and relaying the data to a computer screen on Earth, amazing powers of satellites include, brace yourself, reading a person's mind, monitoring conversations, manipulating electronic instruments, and physically assaulting someone with a laser beam.
Remote reading of someone's mind through satellite technology is quite bizarre, yet it is being done.
It is a reality at present, not some futuristic dystopia.
To those who might disbelieve my description of satellite surveillance, I'd simply cite a tried and true Roman proverb, time reveals all things.
So that's part of a first-person Russian testimony about what satellites are capable of doing.
Now, most of it I could understand.
The reading the mind thing from satellite, I'm still working on a little bit, as I imagine you are too.
And there are craft above me spraying this chemtrail you talk about.
They're spraying some sort of a mist.
And when it settles in around the two largest stacks in the United States, the only other two like them are in Switzerland.
I helped build both of these.
Anyway, when this mist settles in around the plant, you can still see the red lights on top of these 1,000 feet stacks, smokestacks.
And this orange light is in behind this mist.
It's a gigantic something.
I don't know what it is.
It makes no sound whatsoever.
But it comes in, and the hair on your arms and the magnetism from this thing, I think it's sucking up the surface charge off of the gigantic two turbines that are over at the plant.
I think it's sucking up the surface charge off of that and utilizing that static electricity, the magnetic field, to generate its own power.
It'll be gone, and something flew over me about, oh, I'd say 200 feet, your black object you were talking about.
It had six square windows in it, and then when it realized that I was on the ground, it shut the lights off.
But anyway, I'm 30 miles from your Hartsville plant, and there's definitely something going on there.
And I think the pattern of it's gone for like three weeks, and then it comes back, and then it goes away for about three weeks, and then it comes back.
It's here and there.
It's here and there.
It travels throughout the system in the TVA.
I have some friends at the TVA that work as engineers in the office.
And I'm going to get a hold of them and see if there's been a power spike.
And I would be curious to find out if there would be a power spike at any of these other large plants, such as Artsville or Paradise or Allenstein plant in Memphis or this steam plant here.
If there is a power spike at the time this craft or whatever it is is there, and also there's an awful lot of helicopters.
Well, whatever happened to radio station WJKM in Hartsville and the newspaper and about a quarter mile radius is not easily explained.
Birds were destroyed.
In fact, if you look at the photographs on my website and the way, I guess I had to tell you how to get there, just in case you couldn't find them.
If you go to program and tonight's guest info and you just go down to Ted Randall's name and you click on there's photo number one and photo number two.
They're both birds.
Click on photo number two and God, you know, here's a small bird, its legs fully intact, its wings burned from its body.
Its wings burned from its body.
And these birds, according to Ted, came out of mid-air.
They were fried like this in mid-air, along with everything that happened to the newspaper, the radio station, the incredible amount of damage, these birds were plucked out of mid-air and burned.
And nobody has even the slightest idea what could cause this.
It was some kind of energy pulse.
An EMP pulse, a harp-type pulse.
Who knows?
But somebody out there is quite obviously doing it.
And people were pulling off the freeway to see this incredible display of lights in a V-type formation.
There were people at the police department in Carteret.
There were people pulling off the freeway.
It just went on and on, seen by zillions of people.
And that's it.
I mean, it was a V-type formation of lights.
And, you know, it hit a lot of people really hard, sir.
It was a major sighting in New Jersey.
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And there was video taken of it.
I mean, video taken.
Oh, yes.
I'm actually a member of MUFON, a field investigator here, and so it caught my interest right away, and I'd like to find out as much information as possible.
Once you've seen something like this, as my wife and I did on two occasions, you're changed.
You know, it's going to change you in some profound way because there are only two possibilities, as I've said many times.
Either, A, possibly A, our military has technology that is so far ahead of anything we would dream they would have, as in the ability to appear and disappear, as in the ability to defy, apparently defy gravity, that that would be, of course, a pretty big story, wouldn't it, if our military had that technology, or B, we are being visited.
Well, I would like to suggest that the next time you take a trip in the motorhome, I think you should wear one of those half-foot-wide back support belts to protect your back from further injury.
Anybody look towards the eastern sky at about 40 degrees above the horizon, and then you find Venus and everything, and hopefully you'll witness the same.
What's going on is Bugs, after I gave him about, I think, a week and a half, two weeks to think about it, I called Bugs back, and he said his wife would not let him move forward.
And if you don't, think about it really hard, those of you who heard the show with Bugs.
And imagine the next day and the following day and the following week talking the thing over with your wife and realizing that your entire life could be turned upside down.
Wives sometimes have a different way of looking at things than guys.
Fear is a big controlling mechanism for human beings.
And fear and anger both mask careful and reasoned investigation.
And so I guess you would do best by trying to control your fear and looking at these things straight on.
You know, it's hard to give advice in this area.
I know it's easy to say don't be fearful, and I'd be the first one.
Believe me, when the monster's banging in the basement, I don't go down there, you know.
Not that I have a basement, mind you, but if I did, I wouldn't go down there like they do in the movies.
So I'm the last person to really be preaching about this.
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Well, it would be really interesting if you invite J.K. Rowling, the author of Harry Potter, who have written also a textbook on magical creatures and where to find them.
I've got the other thing I wanted to ask you is, have you considered also having Daniel Quinn, the author of The Story of Bee and Ishmael and My Ismail, a very interesting author who writes a lot about in line of what's going on in the show, The Antichrist and the show that you did on the Bible Code.
It's been on CNN, and if I'm seeing it correctly, I believe it is in exactly the area and above ground, just the way Ed Dames said it would be.
We'll nail that down further, but my jaw dropped when I saw that on CNN.
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Boy, that'd be interesting, yes.
Yep.
Okay, but there's a couple things that I'd like to clear up or clarify.
What he explained was that it doesn't make sense to me of being the ghost, where he said something about if you put a light source between the shadow people and the light source, that that's what causes the ghost image or whatever they're.
And whatever you believe a ghost to be, if you make eye contact with it, or its shadow, if you will, and it does a recognition and splits, that's not really ghost-like, as I have had a ghost explained to me.
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Right.
Well, that was going to be my next thing here, was that these, what I have experienced, are very, very passive beings.
When they are being recognized as being seen, oh yeah, they hightail it out a dodge.
And I've faxed you a couple times and emailed you a couple times, but, you know, whatever.
But of my personal experiences that these beings are non-aggressive.
So when you get the people writing into you that they're attacking them, bouncing on their beds or whatever, and looming over them and saying boo in the middle of the night, these to me are not the shadow people that I know of.
Well, you may recall we had, in a subsequent program following your call, we did a program with a Native American, and we had people who did drawings of what they saw, and they were mighty impressive, and they are still up on the website.
If you go to What's Older on the front page, they're still up there.
But now the main thing that got me was your first guest tonight when he came On the air, was talking about this big flash, the birds getting fried up in Tennessee.
Well, I think we can safely say that Oak Ridge, Tennessee could be deemed Area 52 now because they have made the world's most powerful lamp up there, among other things.
It says this one lamp could light the University of Tennessee's 104,000-seat football stadium with just two bulbs.
It's a 300,000-watt radiant plasma lamp that can generate enough heat to bond and shape metal, delivering more than 3,000 degrees Celsius instantly and precisely.
And Oak Ridge is really up there working night and day.
And there's no telling.
You know, the University of Tennessee, I found out about a month ago, the University of Tennessee itself has about 15 different multi-million dollar contracts with the government, and they are also working out of Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
But I do believe that your other guest, Mr. Collum, when he said that his thoughts were that they're gathering on these animal mutations, I think there's a certain amount of gathering on that myself because, you know, for a long spell there, we were really interested in the antrax and how to come up with something to combat that.
Well, I would think there would be very strange meteorological conditions there, wouldn't you?
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I really can't explain it.
I mean, I know in the newspaper they had some scientific explanations for it, but as far as just my personal experience with this lenticular cloud, I mean, at the time I was viewing it for days, I didn't know it was called a lenticular cloud.
But it looked exactly the same shape as what you would think a UFO would look like, right?
It may be too lengthy, but basically, when I was a younger child, looking out the window at night, and the whole sky above my house turning into white light.
It wasn't like something flew over.
It was like I'm looking out the window, and suddenly the whole sky is white light.
The next time, I mean, you know, when you get up tomorrow morning, later this morning, take a good look at your children and be sure all the proper characteristics are there.
You know, reading from the Carteret incident, Carteret, New Jersey, occurred on July 17th, this last weekend, one witness described it, the lights, that is, as a peaceful, easy feeling.
It's really amazing, said Veronica Bagley, whose family captured the lights on video.
While at home said, whatever it was, she was unafraid.
I wasn't alarmed because it was peaceful, she said.
Another witness took it a step further.
Quote, very peaceful, very serene, very beautiful, she said.
I think we witnessed some type of miracle.
We do live in strange times, don't we?
This is a program that documents all of that.
It's called Coast to Coast AM, and we'll be right back.
I want to remind everybody out there that I will monitor our international line very carefully, and it rings all the time.
I just frequently am in the middle of another call, and I can't get to it.
So, wherever you are in the world, from Europe to South America to the Orient, if you want to get to us, go to my website, artbell.com, if you can get to it tonight.
And we've got a list of codes up there that you can use to call us from anywhere in the world.
Toll-free, it's free.
We pay for the call.
And or just call the AT ⁇ T operator and try to get through to us on the international line, which is 800-893-0903.
And what we're doing is we're not going out there and we're not going to sit out in the woods looking for Sasquatch.
We're going to investigate past sightings and any reports.
Now, I believe and understand, and I won't be able to go this weekend because of my surgery, but the rest of my people will be going to Montana, where northern central Montana, there was a sighting this past weekend by a couple.
You know, you need a lot of tranquilizer for something that big.
And if you were to miscalculate the amount of tranquilizer, then it seems to me the Sasquatch might look on you with disfavor, you know, if you didn't really nail it.
Well, that's a kind of a black cloud, hon. That's a kind of a black cloud where things just start going wrong.
Everything goes wrong.
And it's been said that there may be curses placed on people.
Now, I've had, I'll tell you, I had somebody who's been on the show previously, who I will not name, who said, and I can't remember, my wife probably remembers, there were X number of curses put on me and all kinds of stuff that they claim they cleared.
Curses and was it?
A bunch of other stuff.
Negative stuff, you know, that they supposedly found that was attached to me.
We received the construction permit, which means you can start building from the Federal Communications Commission.
However, we applied for a simple little tower height modification, and it's like it got lost in the Federal Communications Commission labyrinth of bureaucracy.
And it's there somewhere, and some bureaucrat has had it sitting on his desk, probably constantly going to the bottom of the inboxes, the way I mentally picture it.
We're waiting for this minor little modification, and I'm sure we'll have it shortly, he said.
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Oh, that's sweet.
You know, that fellow was just on about the Sasquatch and taking away team up to Montana to check it out.
I wish my feeling on the whole thing is I'd just like to see him leave the animals alone if they are animals, if they ain't feral humans or something like that.
With the descriptions we've had and the hair and the cross between a kind of early man and animal, it doesn't sound like a feral human, does it?
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No, it doesn't, but, you know, I think there's a spark of intelligence there, and if we could just kind of let them be, they might approach us in a neighborly fashion.
Also, when you mentioned about the Russians, you know, with the, well, I know that if you put aluminum foil in a letter, that nobody can read into it.
So perhaps people might put aluminum foil around their hats, maybe cover something up so the aluminum, you know, so that the satellites can't read your mind?
You know, I mean, this is a stuff of paranoid fairy tales that satellites can read your mind, and yet, here it is in print from Pravda where the Russians are actually claiming satellites can read our minds.
Now, if you could put it in a coating, if you were like wearing a hat or a cap or something, put it in a coating, have another cap over that so nobody can see the foil.
Because when they see the foil right away, you know.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, I was saying, put it underneath your hat.
But they could never figure out the way Americans think anyway.
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Yeah, but I would advise people to put cloth between themselves and the aluminum foil because aluminum might be bad for your, you know, for your head also.
So one layer of cloth, one layer of aluminum, then the hat.
You know, when I was working for a station back east in New York and Vermont, the AP Wire had this really great story regarding Y2K in Russia.
And the story was how they were buying old Macintoshes off the black market to Y2K proof their nuclear weapons.
And I mean, come on.
Logically, if these people are buying old Macs that probably were used in some college somewhere for their nuclear weapons to Y2K proof them, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and I was that was the first UFO I ever saw, so but it would like reappear like a couple thousand feet, like on a left-hand side or the right-hand side.