Bob Larson, a self-described exorcism expert, details cases like a 15-year-old in St. Louis speaking in an unearthly voice and a Chesapeake man growling during expulsion, attributing possession to generational curses—such as a 25-generation Aztec sacrifice pact—childhood trauma, or occult ties like "Herman the German." He claims demons exploit legal loopholes (e.g., pacts) and manifest violently, even in Christians, while rejecting ghosts as departed souls. Critics call him fraudulent, but Bell defends his inclusion, blending supernatural theories with military paranormal reports and calls on sleep paralysis, dissociative disorders, and biblical precedents like 1 Samuel 28’s ghostly summoning. Larson ties rising evil—child-on-child violence, abductions—to a coming Antichrist era, urging mass exorcism teams amid surging demand, while skeptics argue psychological or cultural explanations suffice. [Automatically generated summary]
What you're about to hear is going to be scary, scary stuff.
The Reverend Bob Larson is going to be my guest.
And he's actually, for the first time on national radio anyway, as far as I know, going to provide us with audio from as many as seven different exorcisms.
My only exposure to exorcisms has been, other than those interviews with Father Malachi Martin, we never had audio there, was the Exorcist movie, and that scared the heck out of me.
So this is going to be kind of rough stuff tonight, seriously.
So if there are kids in the room, or if you're one, you might not want to listen.
Otherwise, directly ahead, beware.
The Reverend Bob Larson is an expert on cults, the occult, the supernatural.
He has lectured in more than 80 countries, has appeared on TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Sally Jesse, CNBC Talk Live, MSNBC Investigates, Larry King Live, The O'Reilly Factor, Politically Incorrect.
His work featured in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times.
Larson is the host of Talk Back, a coast-to-coast radio program, is the author of 29 books, holy mackerel, including Shock Talk, Dead Air, Larson's book of spiritual warfare, and extreme evil, kids killing kids.
That's Bob Larson.
We've got a link to his website on our website right now.
He wrote it several years ago called The God Part of the Brain.
Actually, it would have been a rather interesting debate.
His contention is, simple, that mankind has one great overriding fear, and that is the fear of death.
I would assume you probably would agree with that.
His contention is that the process of evolution, which you may not agree with, has caused the brain to develop a part of the brain which can be measured and seen on MRI, by the way, which actually protects you, it protects everybody against that fear by instilling in them the need to worship something.
In other words, basically, he's saying there is no God.
What there is is a part of your brain that demands you worship.
And as backup for this, he says you go to the most remote tribe in South America you can find or anywhere else in the world, and you will find they worship something and that man is driven to worship something and believe in an afterlife as a defense, the brain's defense, against this greatest fear.
It seems to me that that's very much akin to what I would believe, that God's created a vacuum inside man that can only be satisfied in a relationship with God.
And it could well be that he and the others are discovering what God did to the human nature of who we all are in the beginning.
I've been in the ministry more than 20 years doing radio, television, writing books, traveling, and public speaking.
It's only been in the last three plus years, going back to March 12, 1988, that I've actually been doing these public exorcisms that have created so much attention.
In fact, I remember you making that kind of a comment in your book, The Art of Talk, which someone was kind enough to send me, and I did a quick read on.
You mentioned that about people making waves.
That's right.
That, you know, if you're not making some waves out there, you're not making a significant impact on your world, and you're not making anybody upset.
And neither really does anybody who come to our conferences.
I tell them, you will never walk away ever again questioning whether there is a God or a devil, whether there's good and evil, because you will see it dramatically displayed.
And I've seen it so many thousands of times, it's made an imprint on my soul that nobody could ever take away.
Well, it's, you know, semantically it's a term which, for practical purposes, has an explanation.
But in the spiritual realm, it doesn't really mean much.
So let me caution by saying I always tell people up front, first, we're talking about a metaphysical, invisible phenomenon that is non-spatial.
We're trying with a construct of language to give it sense and meaning.
Well, really, you can't do that.
Furthermore, you're trying to use English language terms to describe the inexplicable.
Now, having said that, classically what we define as possession is when an evil spirit or a demon somehow resides within the person to the extent that neuropsychologically they can express themselves through the faculties of the person.
In other words, they actually use the body, the eyes, the voice for a form of expression.
And they become when they are out or manifested or present that being through the body of that person.
Case in point, I remember one particular instance I've written about in one of my books of a girl who was legally blind.
In fact, she had to be led about by the hand.
When the demon was out, and there were many witnesses to this, the first thing we knew that when the demon was coming out, it would reach up and take her glasses off and see, I hate these things.
They get in my way.
And it would, you know, I had it a fine print Bible and it read it holding it two feet away without any problem.
But when she came back to herself, she'd immediately reach for the glasses.
Well, we really speak of the consciousness or the soul part of the person, which is the animating life force of emotion and the sentient nature of who the person is.
One of two things, either oblivion or what we call co-consciousness.
We have some people for whom while we're doing an exorcism, there is no awareness.
They've checked out.
They don't even know what happens.
They may come two minutes or hours later with no knowledge of what went on.
Other people, and this is very common, have co-consciousness.
And while the exorcism has taken place, I've had them describe it to me.
They say it's like a movie in the mind.
I see and hear what's happening, but I am powerless to intervene because something else is expressing all of this through my body and my lips.
The demon is, for example, speaking through their voice.
Maybe we run into this office speak in a foreign language through their voice, and they're hearing this language come out of their body through their lips.
They know they're not speaking it, but they hear it.
I've had a whole bunch of a whole string of guests, experts on OBEs, and I had one very brief, uninvited OBE myself, and so I know there's something to it because it happened to me.
Anyway, bottom line, all of these guests inevitably say, nothing bad can ever happen to you when you're out of your body.
Don't worry about it.
Enjoy it.
Explore it.
Use it.
And I've always thought, well, if you're out of your body, would that not be some sort of possible invitation for somebody out there looking for one to take over?
Well, I remember one particular gentleman talking about the typical experience of floating above your body, seeing the core, sometimes they describe it as a silver cord or whatever attached.
He's up there, and he saw this dark shadow moving toward his body.
And he knew that he had to get back there quick or that thing was going to get in.
And it was a race for him to get back before this dark shadow came into it.
One day I had this person call and say, you know, Art, I've been seeing these, what he called, shadow people in my peripheral vision.
You know, how you sometimes see a little movement in your peripheral vision, something moving, and you look over and there's nothing there.
And then I had, I tell you, Reverend I had five, maybe 6,000 emails from people who said, not only do I see these so-called shadow people, that's what they call them, but I'm beginning to see them with full-on sight.
And so I did a program on it, and I had a Native American guest, and we had people begin to send in drawings, images of what they were seeing, and they were remarkably similar.
These shadow creatures or beings that people are beginning to see in increasing numbers, something's going on.
Well, I have, of course, dealt with many such cases in which these were the manifestations of the presence of a demon.
It's always possible some of this could be a psychological phenomenon for whatever reason.
Could be.
But in many cases, I will have people, as they describe demons, all the way from fang creatures with blood dripping from their mouths to just a dark presence that's there with no visible expression, almost formless.
That's right.
It'll be hovering over in a corner somewhere watching them.
Part of, according to Revelation chapter 12, the one-third of heaven's angels who were in the insurrection originally with Lucifer.
And they were cast out of the heavens, and they are now these disembodied spirits who are looking for a way to destroy the goodness and the purposes of God.
And because the devil is a spirit, he must bring about his ultimate evil through his presence in human bodies, because there's only so much he can do in the ethereal world of the metaphysical.
Just like God, by God's presence in our lives, we are his hands, his feet, and when we love our neighbor and help our fellow man, we are expressing the will and purpose of God.
well as you know we're in a time in america now where indeed uh...
you can pick up a newspaper almost any day or any week i guess i have to say and a child killing a child a child killing a teacher a child killing a parent it's all it's just That didn't happen.
This is a relatively recent phenomena in the kind of numbers we're having right now, is it not?
Well, take, for example, the shooting in Santee, California a couple of months ago.
Little Andy Williams.
One of the most remarkable things about that is that here's a kid, no prior criminal history, a little messed up, but certainly no one that you would think would have the capacity to murder in cold blood.
More importantly, smiling while he's pulling the trigger.
I constantly deal with people who in their bloodline have carried the spiritual genetic imprint of something that may have happened hundreds of generations ago that they know nothing about.
It's very common to find that somebody way back when made a pact with the devil or whatever, and as a result, that follows down through the family line.
Now, there is free moral choice, but the person is born into this world with that demonic vulnerability.
And they have to make their own choices, but they've got two strikes against them before they step into the box.
Now, we're not talking about the superstitious kind of witchcraft or the sort of, you know, go in the woods and dance naked and pretend.
We're talking about the real thing of real malevolency where people genuinely have evil aims.
And then, of course, you can willfully allow yourself by creating circumstances of grave moral evil and by just playing with the occult, by venturing into territory where you're unprotected, don't know what you're doing, and don't have God's presence with you.
The biggest form of possession in our culture is through sexual violation.
Because it destroys what I call the spiritual immunology of an individual's natural protective systems.
I believe God grants each of us in this life a sense of well-being and character that doesn't want true evil.
We come into this world with a fear of evil.
But what happens is that when we're violated, we are so decimated in the strength of the character and integrity of value and worth, we become an easy target for evil.
So a high percentage of the people we deal with have been incested, molested, horribly violated, particularly as small children.
The history of exorcism, of course, is as old as antiquity.
There's evidence of this in all cultures of the past.
And certainly even at the time of Christ, there were Jewish exorcists who traveled the country.
And when Christ came along, what was truly significant was the fact that he declared to be able to do this through the power of his name, not some ritualistic formula.
And then the early church practiced it quite commonly.
It was lost, and then the Reformation didn't do it much good, although it resurrected it for a while.
It's only been in the last few decades that it's come to prominence once again.
Now for me, I first encountered the demonic traveling overseas as a young man and witnessing various pagan self-mutilation rituals.
And as I witnessed these rituals in various parts of India and Asia, when these people would go into catalyptic seizures, as they would maybe be, you know, going through these bloody ceremonies of stabbing themselves or puncturing themselves, whatever, they would say, this is the evidence of the spirits entering into us.
Well, I saw that, and I prayed a simple prayer that is one of the most dangerous prayers to pray.
Lord, use me if I can be of help in this area.
And I returned to America, and as I write about in my book of spiritual warfare, nothing much happened for several years.
I began to study the phenomenon until one night in St. Louis, Missouri, a 15-year-old girl walked up to me and said, I have sex with the devil.
Of course, I thought this was a joke.
I thought this was just a kid with an overactive imagination.
And I tried to put her off.
She kept saying, no, you don't understand.
I have sex with the devil.
And the next thing I knew, this unearthly voice was speaking out of her body.
This is a 15-year-old, not terribly cultured girl from sort of the backwoods of Missouri.
And this very refined British accent in this voice is saying, you cannot have her.
Well, I do my best, and it's really not very hard because when people will come to me and say things like, well, I hear voices, well, my first question is, you know, are you on your lithium?
I mean, have you seen a mental health professional?
And sometimes when they say they have it, I say, go back and see one and then return to me and we'll talk again.
The truly possessed have some of the characteristics of the mentally ill, but in the thousands of cases I've dealt with, these are people who for the most part are very lucid.
In fact, I really don't want to deal with someone who is mentally ill who may or may not have demonic phenomena because it's just dangerous territory to get into.
I prefer that person to see a mental health professional and come to me sometime later when they're in a more stable mental state.
Well, I mean, on a regular basis, I mean, on a weekly basis, I am assaulted, threatened.
In any one single weekend, I am told by spirit voices that they're going to kill me so many times I can't even count it.
I mean, I live under the constant threat of these things promising all sorts of mayhem on me and my loved ones.
So that's very typical.
And yes, I have been violently assaulted on numbers of occasions.
I'm always very careful that before I go into a meeting where I'm going to do exorcisms, I ask for several large men to be at the ready to tackle people, hang on to them.
And I've seen cases where a 95-pound woman can't be controlled by eight men.
I mean, I've seen a frail woman, you know, pick up a 200-pound man with one arm, just lift him in the air.
And this is not, again, since I've been doing this publicly for three years, I have done hundreds and hundreds of these in front of thousands and thousands of people.
So these are not just stories.
These are things which have occurred in the full view of people witnessed by thousands and scores of cities across America.
And, you know, a couple of times I've been blindsided.
A woman one time hit me from the rear.
I wasn't looking.
I was looking into another part of the audience, and she got down on top of me, took my tie, twisted it, and was choking me.
And four or five men had to literally drag her away, or she would have choked me to death.
I've been kicked very violently, hit, bitten, spit on constantly.
But again, I've learned how to be cautious about that.
And so what I tell these men, I just say, look, if you see me start motioning to you to get kind of behind this person, and I'm starting to, if they're about to explode, I'm going to look at you, grab them.
And don't hesitate because I don't want them hurting me or themselves.
I've got a wife, two children, one on the way.
I want to come home safely to them.
I hear you.
And people will say, well, if it's God's power, well, now, wait a minute.
There is also the human will involved here, too.
And so when you first begin to deal with someone in an exorcism, you're dealing not just with the evil, but the will of the person which may have been acting in concert with that demon.
In other words, they may have been, until now, allowing that demon to use them for violent purposes.
And so you've got to, when you first encounter them, talk that person into a moral state where they will resist that evil because they may not have been doing it.
And so you've got the cooperativeness of the will and the human strength versus the supernatural.
And he said, Art, in the last year or two, the need for exorcism in my area is up by 800%.
Now, if we are to imagine a war between heaven and hell, between God and the devil, and we have numbers like this appearing before us, what does that mean, Reverend?
First, that we are near the return of Jesus Christ, and as prophesied, there would be an outbreak of evil.
It also means that the breakdown in the moral fiber of the country, which has previously restrained evil, has made it more bold and more free to function than ever before.
And if you just look at the violence and the level of inhumanity in our society today and how little is done about it.
I was told recently by a prison chaplain in a large state that over 13 prisons that he looks after, 80% of the juvenile offenders in there have been sexually violated.
The United States and the Western world is unique.
I was asked this question in a conference this last weekend by a man of East Indian descent.
And I responded to him.
I said, you know, if I were to go to India, I certainly would meet demons.
But I would not encounter the level of perverted, violent demons that I encounter here.
Because I said, even though by Christian standards, India is a pagan, idolatrous country, it in fact has a very strong moral fiber, as does much of the Far East, and it has a strong nuclear-extended family structure, which is a deterrent to evil.
Because people have a sense of belonging and acceptance, and humanity is not devalued.
But we have devalued humanity in American culture, which has given the devil free reign.
So I said to this man, I would not think of dealing with violent demons of rape and incest and crime and abuse in India, but I certainly would be sensitized to dealing with that in America.
So in some ways, we have become the most evil culture on earth.
In a country like India or China or Japan, which is all these non-Christian countries, you would think the devil would just have a heyday because nobody's going to be calling out the name Jesus to get rid of some sort of demon nearby, right?
But remember, the devil not only traffics in the absence of the knowledge of God, but in the presence of the destruction of innate humanity.
In other words, the devil's greatest ability to get someone is found when that person lacks the moral fiber to resist evil.
And a lot of that moral fiber comes from what I call the sense of character, belonging, and virtue, the identity we have from those who have loved us and told us our life has significance.
And the person who doesn't see significance in his life, you know, what's the problem with evil?
What has he got to lose?
What did Eric Karis and Dylan Klebold have to lose?
I mean, they are typical of the lost souls of the children of our culture raised in an environment where there is no sense of moral fiber, accountability, or meaning based upon a parent who has said, I love you, care about you, I will give your life significance.
And that kind of person, evil becomes quite attractive to them.
I believe it's safe, yes, as long as someone would not entertain some type of healthy fascination.
You know, I was doing an exorcism one time, and there was someone who was present, and as the demon was about ready to leave, the person said, hey, you can have me.
The Bible does teach that some fallen angels, some evil spirits have to stay in torment because of what it says they left their first estate.
And there are all sorts of theories about that.
But the rest of them seem to be until the end of time, as prophesied in the Revelation, they have the ability to come back out of the abyss if there's a willing recipient.
is that the way it's going to happen that was Hollywood's way or is that pretty close to it's We have a broad general picture of what's going to happen at the end.
We know that there will be a terrible moral decline, a tremendous increase in technology.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
And that's one of the things the Bible talks about, the exponential increase in knowledge there will be at the end.
But that only leads further to the arrogance of man of thinking he can solve all his problems.
And then there are divisions within the Christian community as to what will happen next.
Some believe that, as a popular book series has posited recently, that Christ will return and there will be a rapture in which millions of Christians will disappear, followed by seven years of hell on earth, at the end of which will be Armageddon and the final battle between good and evil.
Now, I happen to ascribe to that particular belief, but there are many well-meaning Christians who don't.
All do agree, pretty much, that there will be at the end of the age a massive Middle East conflict in which the armies of God and the armies of the devil will face each other, and it's at that point then that the Revelation tells the final defeat of the enemy will be brought about and Satan will be cast with all of his demons into the lake of fire.
And for sake of documentation, as I remember these, I'll tell you exactly where they happen.
This was in the city of Red Deer, Alberta, Canada.
In a workshop in one of our conferences, Jeff is 6'5 ⁇ , about 250, huge man.
In the middle of the conference, again, witnessed by hundreds of people, he stood to his feet and started lumbering toward me in sort of Frankenstein style, just like he couldn't quite walk.
He was just lumbering.
And his first words out of his mouth as he stood were, do I murder you now or later?
He came toward me and he hovered over the top.
And I'm 5'8, okay?
He hovered over the top of me with his hands shaking around my throat, just, you know, millimeters away from my throat, uttering curses against God.
And the only thing between him and me was my Bible.
I was at a large Baptist church, and a young, a handsome young fellow who was an usher in the church, God spoke to me and said, go pray for him.
And what I often do is I walk out in the crowd, sort of provoking these demons, and I thought, well, this kid doesn't look like a problem.
He's studying for the ministry.
I went to touch him and pray for him, and he flew out of the pew in a violent rage, cursing God's name, uttering the most vile four-letter words right in the middle of this church.
Very common.
Jeff, that you're alluding to, the only thing between him and me was my Bible.
And for one hour, I stood holding my Bible between him and me, quoting Bible verses from memory, warding him off.
And everybody was afraid to grab him.
In this case, he got there before anybody could get to him.
And he was so huge, they were so afraid if anybody tried to touch him, I mean, he'd have his hands on my throat before they could move.
Are you in the movie The Exorcist, one of these things, one of these is there ever an occasion, Reverend, where possession is by not necessarily a demon, but by the devil himself?
The Bible, I believe, teaches there are two cases where the devil himself actually enters in.
One was Judas Iscariot.
The Bible says Satan entered into him, the devil.
And the other is the Antichrist, who will be the one, as we talked about a moment ago, who will lead this fight against God at the end of the age and will be incarnated by the devil himself.
It certainly doesn't serve the devil's purposes.
Remember, the devil is not omnipotent as God is.
He is not omniscient and omnipresent as God is.
So while God's power can be everywhere at all times, the devil has spatial limitations to who he is in the sense that he can't be everywhere at once.
So he would not want to come into someone because then he can't be directing his troops on a worldwide basis of evil.
I believe indeed it may be so, though I think that kind of speculation is a little dangerous because, you know, we don't want to get ourselves into a trap if he isn't, of causing people to fall away from faith when he didn't show up.
But personally, just in my historical view of culture and life as it is, and in my view as an exorcist, I have to believe that he is.
The outbreak of evil that we see now, you alluded to it earlier.
When was there a time when people would go postal, when your worker on the computer next door walks in the following day and puts a bullet through your brain?
Well, if you have that extensive group across the country, then you must be more aware than anybody I've talked to about the increase in the amount of evil and pollution going on.
And these teams, you know, the national facilitator of our teams was telling me just yesterday that one particular group, this is very common, has now a waiting list of 300 people who have been pre-qualified.
That means they've gone to an extensive questionnaire process that deals with medical and psychiatric issues to find out whether or not this is truly legitimate.
They've got a waiting list in one city of 300 people.
What do you say to people who say all of this isn't legitimate at all, that it's all some kind of fakery, that it's some sort of psychological aberration on the part of these people?
Go to boblarson.org, see where I'm going to be in the city, come and witness it for yourself.
And then, if you're still not so sure, I say this tongue-in-cheek, when the first murder demon shows up, I'm going to tell the men who are holding the person to stand back, let him go, and I'm going to let you come up and go eyeball to eyeball with his thing and tell it that it's just a figment.
I couldn't disagree with that more, because the Bible disagrees with it.
I'm sure those people believe that and mean well and think that, but the Bible is very clear that all witchcraft is an abomination to God and that all witchcraft is an opposition to God because it refuses to acknowledge the Judeo-Christian God of Scripture who is truly God.
And that though they may feel they're using white magic, there really is only good and evil.
Actually, there are people who do want their demons.
They do like their demons because these people are dysfunctional in some area of life, and the demon facilitates some process in them that they are frightened of being without.
And so they like to have that thing because it does do things.
And to get quite Explicit.
I don't know what he means by love, but there are people who have sexual relationships with demons, and they love to love a demon.
Well, the mercy and the goodness and the love of God protects us from evil.
Even sometimes when we're stupid enough to put ourselves in the firing line of evil.
But God is a loving, merciful God.
However, demons are looking for legal right.
They're looking for a technicality by which they can enter into somebody.
And so when you cast out a demon, you must find out, does it have a right to be there?
Sometimes they don't have a right.
Sometimes they just sort of slip in or sneak in because the person is quite morally vulnerable.
But sometimes they literally do have a legal right in that the person has done something, or as I said earlier, there has been some curse brought down through the family line that gave them the right.
You're going to play one in a moment, Mary, in which there was a curse, an ancient curse going back, where some people in the family had sold their souls in the midst of a famine.
What?
And as a result, this followed the family line.
So that is a legal right.
The demon, there was a pact made, and you have to break that pact.
Matt writes, I get these computer messages as the program goes on, and asks, can a person, interesting question, can a person who is a Christian be possessed by a demon?
And if so, how can Christ and a demon dwell in the same spot?
And I have known Christians who have done horrible things and yet claim to be a Christian.
What's going on here?
Well, we have someone who probably has a devil in them.
And when the person is acting out their Christianity, they are a child of faith.
But in their weak moments, when they give in to that other side, the demon then is able to take over and cause them to do horrible things.
Now, how does that happen?
Not in their spirit.
The Bible teaches what's called the tripartite nature or the trichotomous nature of man, that he is body, soul, and spirit.
So that when by confession of faith we choose to follow God, the spirit is eternally reborn.
But in the soul, which is the mind, emotional, sentient nature of who we are, we may have pockets of demonic infestation that affect our soul, that is, our feelings, and tempt us with those feelings.
So, in that sense, it is not true coexistence with evil.
It's God is in the spirit, the devil is in the soul.
When it was over with, this man's wife, who was pregnant, came running up to hug him.
By the way, it was back to the same city, the same place, recently, and this young man was there, came up and gave me a big hug.
He now is the proud father of a baby, and his life is just going on wonderfully.
His father was also there that night, and we had to remove the curse from his father as well because the demon claimed that it had the whole family line.
And this young man now is an active member of his church, a wonderful father.
I shudder to think if this evil had not been expelled, what might have become of him?
Because I really honestly feel, Art, that many of these people we encounter are on their way to commit a murder.
They're on their way to being tomorrow's headline.
And we are stopping it.
And I say we, our teams all over the country.
And I always want to emphasize to people, don't look to Bob Larson.
I'm a human instrument.
I'm sure Father Malachi Martin told you the same thing.
I'm a human instrument of God.
This is God who does this.
This is God's power.
It is not my power.
It is the power of Christ through his resurrection.
Every week in every conference, I encounter something I have never seen before.
It amazes me because you think after all these years, I would have seen it all.
I am astounded every single week there's some strange, weird twist that I would never...
And it's always new.
It's always fresh.
The ingenuity of evil is beyond comprehension.
But more so is the grace and the love of God.
And we must remember that, that yes, this is scary, but the real story is not the frightening evil that's inside these people, but the love of God that is there to change their lives and make them into healthy, productive, decent people.
Could it be that more people in America, I mean, America is a pretty materialistic place.
Could it be that more people in America have made that perfect deal with the devil than in the rest of the world because in America, everybody wants what everybody else has.
And to get there, if that's what it takes, maybe more people here are making that deal than they are anywhere else.
Not two places at one time, but they do have the capacity to move at, I don't know, the speed of light.
Who knows?
I mean, they're here, they're there, they move fast.
And a demon does not necessarily need to be in an individual permanently.
If they have the right to come and go, yes, they may come and go between, for example, a husband and wife, a father and son, particularly people with a familial connection, go back and forth and affect one and then affect the other.
Actually, the latest book, Shock Talk, is an excellent starter because it's a novel.
It tells a story of a tabloid TV talk show host.
And that's a girl who's a cutter-self-mutilator who attempts suicide on his national television show, and then he's forced to find out, out of his own curiosity, what this is all about.
And it deals with generational curses, the link to multiple personalities, which is another whole issue we haven't gotten into, and also issues of what we call inner healing by which the soul is restored.
The other one would be the Book of Spiritual Warfare, which is a 500-page encyclopedic reference on everything about demons and angels and witchcraft and Satanism, the supernatural.
Well, it is a recognizable disorder, generally referred to as DID or dissociative identity disorder.
But in fact, more than 50% of the cases of demonization that we deal with also have dissociation.
And the reason is because the severity of trauma, which causes multiplicity or dissociation, which is also an opening for demons, means that sometimes certain demons hide within certain personalities.
And so very frequently what we have to do is find out if a person is a multiple, and if they're a multiple, then to locate the demon, the demon may not be in the core or the host person.
In other words, in that part of the person's soul consciousness, the demon may not be evident.
This took place in Flagstaff, Arizona, in a conference.
Mary was just seated in the audience and suddenly began to hideously scream.
We brought her to the front, worked with her at length, and this demon eventually spoke German and said that her ancestors, I'm trying to remember, were Irish or Italian, I can't remember which, had actually gone to Germany during a time of famine to get food and sold their souls to someone called Herman the German.
And Herman the German was in the black magic and for exchange for their souls gave them food.
Well, and keep in mind, you're hearing just a handful of hundreds of examples and a small portion of what may have gone on for an hour.
And that this has been witnessed hundreds of times in scores of cities all over America in front of thousands and thousands of people.
It amuses me when people say, oh, you know, these people are paid actors or he sets these people up because the infrastructure to organize all of that in all these cities would be monumental and impossible.
And after all of this time, and the thousands of people, somebody surely would have broken the silence by now and said, oh, this was an actor.
And we've had 60 Minutes, MSNBC, the New York Times, LA Times investigate this, talk to many of these people afterwards, go into their homes with television cameras.
And, you know, the person who is hearing these voices talking about lying, cheating, murder, hatred, and mayhem, then has to ask himself, is it possible that I have ever harbored those feelings in my own heart?
And if so, could I have given in to this kind of evil?
And for some people who don't want to believe in God, that's just a step they don't want to take.
And so I encourage all people of faith to go through, preferably with a friend, a pastor, a priest, a renunciation of generational curses.
I've done that for me, my family, and my children.
And I prayed a prayer that says, Dear God, I renounce any and all curses that may have come upon me from past generations, and I renounce those sins of my ancestors that may have caused me to be cursed, and I bequeath to my children and future generations a new heritage of faith in Christ and faith in God, and cause that any of those curses by which the devil may have access to my life or my family to be broken in the name of God.
And by doing that, I mean, it sounds so simple to say that, but the devil, I tell people, if you're going to deal with the devil, you have to act like a lawyer and think like a judge.
Because these things operate in a very technical spiritual universe.
And a curse is a legal document of sorts.
And so you just declare it null and void, and then it's broken.
But so many people have never articulated that simple prayer that I said a moment ago, and they are vulnerable.
So anyone in this audience who has faith in God can say that and break that and be free from it.
It would be interesting sometime, Perhaps in a future appearance, Reverend, if you were to bring a substantial portion of a very serious one to listen to?
Well, actually, when I say we don't have these clips, we do archive some of our own radio shows on our website, boblarson.org, and they can download past shows in which I have played longer versions of these.
And for example, we just did a show earlier this week that would be in our archives of a woman who was Polish and whose parents were put in the Hitler's death camps.
And a spirit of death then followed that family.
And then when they were released from the camps and immigrated to South America, to Caracas, Venezuela, she then was molested as a child, and these spirits then took control of her.
You know, a lot of times people think that, oh, if I'm going to get a demon, I have to do something really bad.
Sometimes it's a fairly small opening if there's a pre-existing vulnerability.
Tony's father, as we, first of all, he just erupted in the audience, and I have no idea what the story was, but I learned later that his father had wanted to murder his mother, his father's mother, had wanted to murder other family members and had thought about it and planned it.
This young man was working in a kitchen, in a restaurant, and someone accidentally spilled some frying grease on him, and he sustained some serious burns to his body.
Well, while he was in this state of physical torment with his grease burning his body, his employer and fellow employees were reluctant to call 911 an emergency because they were afraid they were going to get a lawsuit.
And he was laying there screaming in agony as he described it with his grease burning his flesh.
And at that moment, he said to himself, if I survive this, I will get even and I will kill these people who didn't offer me help.
And that very thought of murder that he entertained in his mind opened him up.
He was looking into the soul of his mother, and he saw the demon in her soul.
I wouldn't doubt that for a moment.
That's what I see when I look at people.
People say, how do you know, Bob?
Because I will walk out into an audience of 400, 500, maybe 1,000 or 2,000 people, and then I walk through the audience, and I pick out the people that I've never seen before in my life.
Falling in love was the last thing I had on my mind.
Holding you is a warmth that I thought I could never find Just trying to decide Or stay by your side I know I could cry I just can't find the answers to the questions that keep going through my mind Hey babe!
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A little more business to do, and we'll go to the phones.
Stay right where you are.
Reverend David in Los Angeles asks whether, as in the movie The Exorcist, can the possessed at times ever actually physically manifest anything like levitation, moving objects, that sort of thing?
Well, excuse me, I mentioned this a little earlier.
This was the young man dressed in a suit and tie, church usher, Bible school student, who had no idea, neither did anybody in the church have any idea, that there could have been anything like this in him.
And he was just seated comfortably in the aisle of the church, and I felt this strong spiritual impression to go to him, to pray for him.
And I thought, well, he's a very unlikely person.
And I usually carry with me when I pray anointing oil.
And anointing oil represents the presence of the Holy Spirit.
And often when I approach people, I will make the sign of the cross in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit on their head.
I reached over to do that.
He exploded, flew out of the pew.
This is a heavily edited excerpt.
The F-word was just pouring out of his mouth.
And in this sedate Baptist church, the place was in a state of shock.
Let's take a few calls here through the top of the hour and see what we get.
Who knows?
First time caller line, you're on the air with Reverend Larson.
Hello.
unidentified
All right.
Thanks a lot, Art.
Good morning, Mr. Larson.
My name is Jeremy.
I'm calling from CFUN Radio in Vancouver.
And Mr. Larson, you stated earlier in the show, I guess last hour you were talking about the witchcraft and how the earth and sun and water and fire was just maybe a convenient way to explain that magic and their powers.
But what do you think about maybe Christianity being a simple way to explain your powers, right?
Yeah, I'm sure that an individual could suggest that.
I happen to believe that Christianity is a God-revealed religion through the Old Testament onward, and that it is the true faith of the only living and true God.
I respect the right that other people may disagree with that, but that's what I believe.
No, I was not there at any of the services, but we have, I've been doing, you know, kind of some counseling and follow-up ministry with her since that time.
And anyway, just thought you would be interested to hear that she's doing pretty well, and I'm just trying to focus her on, you know, kind of prayer of quiet and healing and focusing on the love of Jesus and her Heavenly Father because she was abused and all that.
But I have a concern, and that is that with my background in spiritism and witchcraft and all this kind of stuff, I listen to art regularly, and art I love yet, and I pray for your audience for protection over them and over you particularly,
because this is, if you listen at a regular rate, Bob, you would know that this audience is very open to all kinds of different occultic influences in their lives.
And my burden for you is I really believe that there is a loving and well-intentioned witchcraft influence in your life at your right hand.
And I sat right in the front row, and I witnessed firsthand the exorcism of a woman named LaShondra.
And when this demon began to manifest in her, to look at her, it's like Bob was saying, when you look in a person's eyes, you can see the evil, and it was quite terrifying.
Well, I could clearly, I mean, clearly, and obviously what we played tonight, it was terrifying, and you could hear it.
And you're telling me that when you were actually physically there, the visual was as terrifying as what we're hearing.
unidentified
Yes.
And he worked with her for, I'm guessing, around an hour or so on and off.
But at the very end, when that thing was finally, he drove the power of that evil right out of her.
And at the very end, when that thing came out, she was spitting and coughing and throwing up, bent over forwards.
But after that thing came out, she had the most beautiful smile.
And you could just see the joy and the peace in her heart.
And I'll tell you, I have witnessed similar before, but I know this is real because of my own personal experience with God also.
I met God personally nine years ago, roughly nine years ago, through a little tiny prayer group in the Detroit area, several Christians praying together, worshiping God.
And the Spirit of God came upon me and gave me a revelation that Jesus is the Son of God, that he died for me and that he rose from the dead.
I have not doubted that from that day to this day.
And I know for a fact that he is the only way.
He himself said, I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life.
He said, nobody comes to the Father but through him.
we apparently have more evil present more entities waiting to take over whatever they can get in america than we do in all of these non christian nations almost put together it's a Because America is the most gracious, philanthropic, compassionate nation on earth in spite of all its evil.
Why wouldn't the devil target America that has the greatest capacity to alleviate the suffering of humanity around the globe?
Well, it makes sense if you think about the devil's using his resources most wisely to attack where the greatest threat is.
And America, in spite of its problems, is a great threat to the devil.
Because, as I said, if you think about all the philanthropic work, all the relief that has gone on around the world for starving humanity and so on, America's the leader in that.
I mean, I'm surprised they don't carry me out sometimes.
It takes every ounce of energy.
I mean, you're the natural dealing with the supernatural.
A real mind game is going on as you battle these things, as you're looking for these intricate clues, putting the pieces of the puzzle together to see this person free.
Absolutely, physically.
I'm sure Father Malachi Martin must have told you the same thing.
When you're done, I mean, you just, that's it.
You're no good for anything after that for a while until you refresh.
Yes, a very long, detailed book about all of this, in which I posited the theme that through the unpredictability and the periodicity with which these phenomena occur, there is a kind of consciousness raising taking place in our culture, bringing people to the awareness where they anticipate something dramatic about to happen.
That we're kind Of, like, being set up by these beings, but that they don't come from outer space, they come from, in fact, what well, maybe Jacques Vallias talked about them coming from a parallel dimension.
I believe that parallel dimension is a spirit dimension, and they, you know, these demons break through that barrier from time to time, but they're just toying with us.
And that these extraterrestrial phenomena are these beings sort of manipulating the mass consciousness to prepare people for the Antichrist.
If you look at the descriptions of many of these people, and I know you've seen some of these pictures.
People in the spirit world describing demons describe the same sort of creatures very often that are described by people who claim to have had UFO abductions.
I do believe that many of these, though some are psychological, are demotically precipitated.
In fact, I deal with sleep paralysis phenomena quite often with women who are attacked by incubi spirits.
And very often in that state where they feel frozen to the bed, they will be sexually assaulted.
And because I dare to talk about this publicly, these women come out of the woodwork just describing these horrific experiences, but they've been terrified to ever discuss it with anyone until then for fear somebody would think they're crazy.
It's a very common thing, but they're so ashamed to speak of it for fear that somebody will think that they're nuts.
But if you think about it, in that sort of dreamlike intermittent state between the state of dream consciousness and awake consciousness, there is a kind of spiritual vulnerability where all sorts of strange things can occur out-of-the-body experiences, very spontaneous spiritual phenomena, including the attack of spirit beings which may seek physical cohabitation.
New York Times, Tuesday, November 28th, 2000, headline, Exorcists and Exorcisms Proliferate Across the United States, across the U.S. Well, the Roman Catholic Church, for example, just cannot cope with the incredible caseload that they're getting.
And of course, they have this rigorous structure by which they permit exorcism.
Quietly, though, on the side, what the church doesn't talk about is that there is a growing lay movement of hundreds of practitioners around the country who, though not officially sanctioned by the church, do have somewhat the blessing of the church to assist with this great demand.
And there have been conferences of Catholic lay people, which hundreds have gathered together to speak about their experiences.
This summer in Colorado, we're going to be having a conference in which we're going to be bringing together scores, hundreds of people from around the country to tell about their common experiences of them doing exorcism.
I can bring longer segments that will truly raise the hair on your neck.
Absolutely.
I'll tell you what, but thrill to have been with you.
I've admired your work for years, Art.
You and I don't agree in everything, but I respect the fact that you do a great show of giving people a forum to clearly speak what they believe, and I deeply respect that.
Well, tomorrow night, for example, Paul Smith and Russell Targ will be here.
Both of them in the original remote viewing program.
So we'll shift gears again tomorrow night.
hour, open lines, coming up.
You know, I am, somebody asked me, am I humored?
I am humored, actually, by an aspect of last night and tonight.
I'll tell you what it is.
Last night, Matthew Alper made an incredible case, I thought, intellectually, a wonderful case for his argument, believe it or not, about the God part of the brain.
And after that show, oh, the screaming is a fraud, he's a fraud, he's a fraud, I got it in email, you know, I got a lot of that.
And so I switched gears 180 degrees tonight and put on Bob Larson.
The one thing I do want to bring up before we go into open lines is this story from Havana from Reuters, so that you know if you want to go look up the story yourself, you're welcome to.
It's astounding, absolutely astounding about what they have found, they believe they have found near Cuba underwater, about 2,200 feet underwater, nearly a half mile underwater.
Let me read to you from part of the article.
Lost City off Western Cuba.
Most intriguingly, researchers using sonar equipment have discovered at a depth of about 2,200 feet a huge land plateau with clear images, repeat clear images of what appears to be urban development, partly covered by sand.
From above, the shapes resemble pyramids, roads, and buildings.
ADC is excited but reluctant to speculate until a joint investigation with the Cuban Academy of Sciences and the U.S. National Geographic Society takes place early this summer.
It is stunning.
What we see in our high-resolution sonar images are limitless rolling white sand plains, and in the middle of this beautiful white sand, there are clear, man-made, large-size architectural designs.
It looks like when you fly over an urban development in a plane and you see highways, tunnels, and buildings.
We don't know yet what it is, and we don't have the videotaped evidence of this yet, but we do not believe that nature is capable of producing planned symmetrical architecture unless it's a miracle.
ADC's deepwater equipment includes satellite integrated ocean bottom positioning system, high-precision side-scan double-frequency sonar, and remotely operated submarine robots.
They plan to add two submarines to take people down.
Now, if you want to look it up, the actual title of the article is Explorers Comb Cuban Seas for Treasure.
A Comma Mysteries.
Reuters.
In fact, Keith, if you're able to find that, have at it.
Again, it's Reuters, Havana, May 15th.
So it's a brand new story on Reuters.
And it's entitled Explorers Comb Cuban Seas for Treasure, Mysteries.
Absolutely astounding.
Now, what do you suppose, what does that sound like to you?
When they're saying they found a city, they found architectural designed buildings.
They found roads.
They found a civilization almost a half mile under the sea.
What do you think they found?
All right.
Open lines.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi.
All right.
I have three comments, all religions, white witchcraft and aliens, about what the Reverend said.
First of all, I feel that all religions have something in them and that God really cannot be contained in one religion because he's so great.
And nobody could really know what gives God's mind, but I have an idea.
Well, yeah, but the problem with all that is that you might say that, but the religions don't say that.
They all say, we are the only path.
The only path.
And if you do anything else, you're going straight.
Well, you know where.
unidentified
Yeah, I know what they say, but my own personal belief is that God is like testing us to see how we take care of each other and how we respect each other.
As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what he has to say about what's going on in Delhi right now.
Delhi.
They've got some kind of apparent monster, what they're calling a monkey man.
And at this point, the damage from this creature, whatever it is, is becoming so extensive that it's becoming difficult to believe that it might be, as some suspect there, a man in some kind of monkey suit.
I mean, he has been attacking relentlessly and breaking bones and seriously injuring people and, I suppose, killing people.
It kind of sounds like sending an enemy soldier back to his home camp so he can be fixed up to send out again for a likely subject, they can inhabit a human body again.
It can happen again.
It's not like they're sent away forever.
unidentified
Yeah.
I also had another question that I've thought about, and it kind of relates to a lot of different things going on, including all the alien sightings, the earth changes, the demons, and all of the what seems to be craziness coming out in our world.
And just wondering what that change and conditioning on us has to do with all these changes taking place and coinciding with all the calendars coming to their close.
I only know that I observe that we are in the middle of a momentous change that's rapidly headed toward something.
And it seems like all people on all sides, whether it's a Reverend Larson or a Matthew Alper or somebody who says they're channeling somebody or various remote viewers who run up against what they call brick walls, or, you know, all of these people are basically saying the same thing.
So while you might dismiss any one of them, collectively I'm not so sure you can.
Now, what's going to happen, I don't know.
unidentified
I've often wondered, though, is it all part of a long-term evolutionary cycle of our development on this planet as we move through these various stages of our galaxy?
The only problem with that theory is, and just listen very carefully, that if, and I said this to someone the other night, if these are demons, then one should be able to observe the usual,
well, I don't know, triangle, saucer, little green guys, little gray guys, little guys of all sorts from all sorts of places, and simply say, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, be gone.
And they should be gone as Bob Larson is able to cast out demons.
But it just doesn't seem to work that way.
Does it?
Now, if you can't cast them away in the same manner, then why can we not imagine that there are both?
That there are demons of the type Reverend Larson deals with, and other exorcists, and that there are also visitors from elsewhere.
They would not so easily be cast away, would they?
And what Reverend Larson said was that a God who created us would be unlikely to, and gave us free will as well, would be unlikely himself or his representatives to take that away from us and possess us.
That wouldn't make much sense, would it?
unidentified
No, but our advice is more as I was questioning, like somewhat intervention from above.
Well, intervention and possession are very different animals.
and there are plenty of stories of angelic intervention that have been told by many by the way next week what is today anyway I next week we're going to have a man who is going to give you're
This NDE is going to make Sarah sound like a picnic.
And that was pretty rough stuff, or at least that's what I'm told.
Dr. Jeff Long, the same man who brought us Sarah, has decided to bring us a man who's going to tell us about a trip that he made to hell next week.
We investigated everything from, believe it or not, most of these installations, you have situations just like off-bases, haunted house type situations where you have people complain, you know, I've got ghosts in here.
You never hear about these sorts of things on military installations, how they are dealt with.
If somebody goes running to the military police and says, oh my God, so-and-so is possessed or I've seen a ghost or things are moving in my house, what would the military do?
unidentified
Good question.
We handle pretty much all that.
We've handled UFOs.
They happen more occurrences on bases than you realize, especially in the U.S. And a lot of that's investigated.
It'll go to OSI and OSI dispatches it to us and then we investigate it.
We all don't know.
There's higher people above us just like in any structure.
So a lot of stuff we don't know.
People lower as myself.
But I mean, there's a lot in the situation.
That's why I emailed you at first.
I thought it's something interesting that a lot of people are, like you said, of curious or wonder about.
And it's something that I feel that the government does a lot of hiding in.
A lot of money goes into programs like this that they try to keep on a hush-hush.
And during that entire time, or the bulk of it, you were in this unit?
unidentified
All except for the first year.
The first seven to eight months, I was based out of the F-22 out of Dayton, Ohio, out of Wright-Patterson, and then from there, I went into this program.
On one installation I was at, went down and checked the house out.
They were hearing doors banging on the second level of a two.
They were like two-story type houses on these bases.
And we had went to the base.
The neighbors kept complaining.
No one was staying in that home.
It was an empty base housing at the time.
We went up into the house, checked it, nothing was there, locked the door, thought it was people, whatever, and really had no explanation for it, had left.
Got the call on two or three separate occasions from the neighbor on the other side.
Went back to the house again later that evening.
This was a daytime, 5.30, 6 o'clock in the evening.
As we opened the door, the bathroom door on the second level, which is the top of the steps, slammed shut.
And the security police that was with us at the time, which we always had, you know, one armed person with us, had pulled his weapon thinking that someone was in the home.
We get to the second floor.
The bathtub is filled full of water and blood.
The water is actually red.
We took samples of the water.
When we took it back to run the samples on there, the water was clear.
Are you speaking generally of women now or of a specific woman?
unidentified
One specific woman in particular, but I've seen a little of it in others, but mostly this one particular woman who's lived alone for years.
And it's not really delusion, except it could be living in the past where there's a tremendous need to relive something in the past or some extremely strong emotion like wanting to be right, all this right.
And that's one part of it.
The other half is that while they're like this, they say, I looked for this purse on the table for hours and it's only inches away from where that person looked.
and the sensation just did not come in and register in their brain.
Well, do you think what Larson said, Reverend Larson said, was accurate with respect to many, many times in multiple personality cases, it is demon possession.
unidentified
I would say the exact same you told me about my near-OBEs when I'm in sleep paralysis is an opening.
You started off the discussion telling me that it was undigested food or that it was some bad food you ate.
unidentified
I'm saying that that could trigger the sleep paralysis and the sleep paralysis could in turn be a prelude to something else because it's an opening.
And I'm saying the same thing about multiple personalities.
Women who have very strong emotion, extremely strong emotion that they can't express in normal human discourse, will be open to multiple personalities.
It's usually shame or fear.
And that that multiple personality could indeed be an opening for something larger like a demon possession.
It's just another, you know, just like if your brakes turn off in your car, you're going to hurt.
If you turn the brakes off in your car on a hill, your car is going to roll.
That leaves an opening for the car to hit something, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee that the car is going to hit something.
It's just another consequence of a chain of events.
But I'm saying in the beginning, having sleep paralysis is a perfectly natural thing, and having multiple personality demonstration is a very normal human thing.
But either one of those, either or, could be an opening to what Mr. Larson was talking about.