Rev. Howard Storm, a former atheist, recounts his 1985 near-death experience in Paris—hours of untreated agony followed by torment in darkness by demonic beings who vanished only after he prayed unintentionally. His life review revealed self-centeredness, including harsh discipline of children and dismissing others’ needs, but Jesus and angels urged him to return, emphasizing love’s transformative power over cruelty. Storm’s book, My Descent into Death and the Message of Love, chronicles his journey from skepticism to faith, though Bell notes no empirical proof exists. Callers share eerie NDEs, NASA’s $20M ISS blunders, and debates on spirituality, energy, and government funding, all converging on humanity’s unresolved quest for meaning amid technological and moral dilemmas. [Automatically generated summary]
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Well, it's going to be an interesting night tonight.
But we're all going to go to hell.
Please go to the bus to stick around for the next hour.
And he's got an extensive description for you of what hell is like.
I've never heard anybody tell me that before.
Maybe a little glimpse with Sarah of what might be.
But this will be a trip all the way to the real place.
That's coming up next hour.
This hour, quite a few things for you, actually.
The whole thing over Tito is getting a little ridiculous.
From MSNBC, let me read you a little of this, May 3rd, the U.S.-Russian rhetorical duel over space tourist Dennis Tito's multi-million dollar ride to the International Space Station has flared again.
NASA's chief says the trip has put, quote, incredible stress, end quote, on the agency and that the Russians will be getting a babysitting bill.
But Russia said Tito's presence hasn't influenced space station operations at all, and a top Russian space executive said Golden's comments demonstrated incompetence.
As a matter of fact, NASA officials, as you well know, have grumbled for weeks about Tito's trip to the space station aboard a Soyuz spacecraft.
In March, the agency barred the space engineer turned financier from training sessions at the Johnson Space Center, sparking a one-day walkout by his two Russian shipmates.
NASA and the other station partners didn't give Tito's flight their original go-ahead until four days before launch last Saturday.
And on the day before the mission, NASA tried to get the Russians to delay liftoff due to computer problems on the International Space Station.
During testimony before the House Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics on Wednesday, NASA Administrator Dan Golden indicated that the frictions haven't been smoothed over.
Quote, The current situation has put an incredible stress on the men and women of NASA, Golden said.
They're dedicated to safety, and Mr. Tito does not realize the efforts of thousands of people in the U.S. and Russia that are working to protect his safety and the safety of everyone else, taking extraordinary means.
After Tito's return to Earth, NASA will seek reimbursement from the Russians for any costs caused by construction delays or lost working hours on the station.
You know, this is just absolutely, it's getting absolutely ridiculous.
This is an American up there, an American with a past with NASA, the early days of NASA.
What the hell are we doing?
I mean, really, what are we doing?
Remember I told you I was going to, on somebody's suggestion, Richard's or somebody's, that I would try and get hold of Tito and see if we could do an interview.
And I knew it was going to be a low probability thing, and sure enough, it has been.
We contacted Tito's representative first, and he said, you'll have to talk to NASA.
So we talked to NASA, and NASA said, you're going to have to call the Russians.
We have the biggest monetary investment in the International Space Station as Americans.
We do.
So what the hell's wrong with an American going up to the space station?
I don't get it.
I just don't get it.
And to me, it's an embarrassment that in a request to try and talk to an American on the International Space Station, NASA just says you're going to have to talk to the Russians.
I mean, what kind of attitude is that, really?
What an embarrassment for NASA.
I mean, what a real embarrassment for NASA, in my opinion.
Sure, Grumbly's up there, I guess.
But he's there.
I mean, we put an American school teacher up there, remember, or we tried.
Blew up.
But it's not as though occasionally a civilian Shouldn't be allowed on the space station.
It's a lot of taxpayer money up there.
What's wrong with having a civilian up there?
I mean, particularly if he pays his own way.
And he has to go to our prior enemies, the Russians, to buy his way up there.
And then after that, it's nothing but trouble.
And an American broadcasting network wants to talk to an American.
And so the American agency, NASA, said, no, no, you'll have to talk to the Russians.
I think that's embarrassing for us.
Just downright embarrassing.
Several people suggested, well, I could do it by ham radio, and that's absolutely correct.
I could do it by ham radio, but it would be not legal.
You cannot use ham radio for a commercial purpose.
And so, yeah, it was a good idea, except the law doesn't allow it.
I'm kind of angry with NASA.
I think that's a really terrible attitude to take, and I don't know why they're taking it.
As they pointed out in the article, they actually tried to delay the launch, saying it was computers.
There's something wrong with this.
What is wrong with the whole picture, huh?
An American has to go to our former enemies to buy his way up to a space place that we own more of than anybody else.
I mean, if you really want to break it down that way.
I think that sucks.
And then an American broadcasting company, granted NASA may not, I may not have great favor at NASA, I understand that.
But you would think they'd want to think really hard, wouldn't you?
Before they say, oh, no, you'll have to go talk to the Russians.
I mean, we can't allow you to talk to an American over American communications equipment.
Oh, come on, that just really sucks.
There's something else going on here that has to do with, I don't know what, ego, security, something they're not telling us.
Or arrogance.
Maybe arrogance, huh?
Are we so arrogant that we can't imagine somebody with Mr. Tito's background being in our precious space station?
Only thoroughly and carefully trained NASA astronauts can do it?
Hogwash.
Old guys can go to this.
Look at John Glenn.
He went to the space station.
Why not?
Why not have a little democracy in space?
What the hell's wrong with NASA?
Sure is getting to me.
And then here's something else getting to me, too.
As you know, China announced that because of the airplane incident, they were going to have a week of let's hack American government sites.
And I think last night I said, or was it the night before, recently, that all things considered, if there's going to be a war, which they're the ones who, they've declared it, that I think that they've made a very bad decision because I know our hackers.
We have really good hackers in America.
And as far as I'm concerned, screw them.
I got this today from somebody, Mr. Bell.
I was disappointed to hear the comments you made on the air the morning of May 3rd.
Well, there you go, May 3rd.
You were discussing computer attacks made by Chinese hackers on American websites.
You warned the Chinese that if they wanted to start a war, that American hackers are much better than Chinese hackers.
And then you advised the Chinese to go right ahead and hack away.
Well, of course, they're doing that.
I just added that.
The connotation was that American hackers would do much worse to the Chinese.
First of all, I was very disappointed in the intolerant war-mongering attitude you displayed.
Must you step right up to assume the typical American king of the world posture that is despised around the world?
You need to step down from your ivory tower for a few moments and consider how this superior, holier-than-thou position makes you look to others.
I'm sure you would not like to see the artbell.com site hacked into.
I'll bet other website operators in the U.S. feel the same way.
Well, look, first of all, this is from Thane in London, Canada.
Well, Thane, I think you've got it all wrong, buddy.
We didn't start it, but in American fashion, I was simply suggesting we can finish it.
As far as hackers into our site, I've had plenty of hackers, some of the best hackers in the U.S. on the air.
I think they're not very likely to hack away at my site, although it's hacked at all the time.
That's the nature of big sites on the internet.
They get hacked.
Or, let me put it this way, they're certainly attempted to be hacked.
So that's something we put up with all the time.
But we're talking about government sites here, for the most part.
Far as I know, U.S. government sites being hacked and civilian sites, I guess, by the Chinese.
And so I say again, if they want to hack us, then fine.
Music by Ben Thede Now, here's another story from the BBC on a mad deer disease in Colorado.
The disease which began in the wild now is spreading to the farms.
So the elk at Steve Wolcott's farm are at risk.
It may be a problem when infected carcasses are brought back across the country, he said.
I think that we have to be concerned about this material being able to infect other wild deer populations in other parts of the country.
The disease is identical to BSE in the way it attacks the brain and nervous system of the deer.
It cannot be detected until shortly before death.
And now, the threat to humans.
There is an additional cause for concern, the article goes on.
Laboratory tests have shown that humans could contract this illness in the same way as BSE, although we have no cases thus far.
From the Colorado Health Department's point of view, at this point the answers to these questions are unknown because of the BSE experience.
It is theoretically possible, and based on that, there are some precautions that hunters may want to take.
A farm in the mountains of Nevada may hold the key to the puzzle of mad deer disease.
Gee, here in Nevada, great.
A farm's owner, a cowboy, called Jim Kopecki, I believe it is, died suddenly from CJD, an illness very similar to both BSE and mad deer variant.
Brenda, Jim's widow, admits that he loved to hunt, and it is possible he may have died from eating infected deer meat.
She said, I couldn't comprehend that a cowboy in the middle of farming Nevada could get such a horrendous disease, she said.
So I dragged the poor man to many other doctors looking for something that made just any sense at all.
He was the third deer hunter to die in the last two years from CJD.
So far, the evidence suggests it is simply a coincidence.
Do you all believe it is a coincidence?
Interesting story.
60 pregnant cows with human genes.
Do you remember that experiment?
Putting human genes into cows?
Well, now the story is they may be slaughtered after a high court ruling has thrown one of the country's best-known genetic experiments into doubt.
Scientists at Hamilton's Ruraka Research Center have inserted a synthetic basic human protein into cattle fetuses in an experiment to improve the treatment of multiple sclerosis, an incurable neurological condition affecting coordination.
The experiment was approved by the Environmental Risk Management Authority.
The Environmental Risk Management Authority.
So apparently these are the people that decide what sort of genetic experiments we're going to be allowed to do and or not allowed to do.
Anyway, they approved this one.
And now it may end in disaster for the animals.
They're saying that it'd be more humane to kill a pregnant cow now than wait until it gave birth and then kill the mother and the baby.
Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to do this experiment in the first place.
Maybe a number of the genetic experiments that we are considering right now, not such a smart idea.
I mean, as I interview people here on the air, and you know I have interviewed people in these areas recently, I think that we're on a very, very, very slippery slope with just about all of the genetic manipulation that we're beginning to engage in from the level of plants to animals to humans.
I know it's well-intentioned, at least I pray so, and I imagine so that it is well-intentioned, trying to learn something about some disease.
But if the risk, if the other side of the equation is that some gene is going to, as we heard last night, jump from some newly created strain of wheat that keeps the bugs away and it's going to jump to an animal and then ultimately to a human, then we're going to eventually have some kind of disaster.
And so I would hope that before approving the next experiment, and I'm anything but anti-science, whoever these risk assessment people are, they will assess more carefully and consider what we're doing.
And I'm not against advancing science.
I just don't want to end up with a moral dilemma.
I don't want to end up with monsters.
And I certainly don't want some worldwide disaster occurring because some scientist goes, oops, oops, drop the vial.
Isn't that the whole way the Captain Tripps thing began?
Good morning.
We'll take a break and then we'll do open lines at the top of the next hour.
Good morning, everybody, and I've got something very interesting for you this morning.
I try to always have that, but if you'll go to my website in the What's News section of my website, the first item is the disclosure conference notice about what Stephen Greer is going to be doing, Dr. Greer, and he'll be here tomorrow night to give you kind of a preview of an incredibly important event in Washington.
So that's tomorrow night.
But the second item down, I think you should take a look at.
It says Weird Whirlpool story on Links page.
Click on that and go down to the second set of links and click on Weird Whirlpool.
And this really is pretty bizarre stuff.
And I'd love to have your opinion of what we're seeing here.
A strange phenomenon spinning off the coast of San Diego.
Some say it comes from out of this world.
And there's a picture of it there.
It can be best described as a giant whirlpool caught on videotape off Black's Beach.
A camera flying in a biplane shot the footage with his home video camera, and it is extraordinary, to say the least.
And I guess you can get the actual video that he shot on this site.
Oceanographers say they've never seen anything like it, but at least one expert says an unidentified underwater object might have caused the weird whirlpool.
And then they go on to talk about flying saucers, UFOs, strange lights, and so forth and so on that people have seen in the area.
But you've really got to see this.
There's nothing on this earth short of a water spout that could do this.
And obviously, there is no weather anywhere close that would indicate there's a water sprout going on.
So we've got this swirling going on in the water.
This unaccountable swirling.
And I'm wondering about all kinds of things.
I'm wondering about an energy that could cause this.
I'm wondering about the power that makes crop circles, which we found on dirt and in dust and all kinds of things.
And if there could be some relationship to what we're seeing here.
Oh, a big whirlpool in the ocean for no apparent scientific, discernible reason.
Now that bears some study, and I'd suggest you go read the article, take a look at the video.
It's again under What's New, and then it will take you to our links page, and you can go from there.
But there's lots to wonder about with regard to this whirlpool.
What would do that to the ocean?
I mean, completely defeating the wave action, and it looks like a black hole in the water.
Damnest thing you ever saw.
What would cause that?
So I've got a link up there.
Keith got that up there a little earlier today, but that's really got me thinking.
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Now we take you back to the night of May 3rd, 2001 on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
A few brief things about your little story there on NASA.
I haven't even hit 30 yet, and I thought about maybe dabbling in a little bit of politics, okay?
And, of course, the delusions of grandeur and the daydreaming brought me up.
It's like, wow, what if I could actually sit into a position that would help me push for more space exploration, you know, thinking more money for NASA?
Sure.
And then you come on the air tonight, and I thought, boy, if this is really how it is, you know, what would be the point?
Well, yeah, because the Bible does say that there'll be eternal darkness and that it'll be like some, I can't remember the number, but some number of times hotter than the sun, like the sun, our sun.
And that is a very interesting idea, I think.
But I also had another interesting idea a while ago when I was listening to you while I was calling you, whenever you mentioned the thing about Tudo in space and how the computers, like they had a computer problem before we went up to space and they had to delay it.
Yeah, I was only two when that happened, but a few years ago I found, you know, I learned a little bit about it.
I don't know too much about it, but I'm not trying to be paranoid or anything here, but what do you think the possibilities of that maybe someone at NASA or some heads of NASA maybe has staged that explosion because of a civilian?
No, no.
Yeah, but that was just a thought that came to mind.
NASA's doing some stuff that's pretty screwed up, but they're not murderers.
I know there are people that have said such things, but I'm not one of them.
No, not a chance.
Not in my mind.
However, this attitude that they have right now is just ridiculous.
It's embarrassing for the United States in every way, every step of the way here.
It's embarrassing.
To me, it's embarrassing that one of our own has to go to a former enemy, buy his way up there, then essentially get snubbed up there with Golden making all kinds of catty remarks.
And then we're a pretty damn big broadcasting concern, I can tell you.
And so we began to make some inquiries today, and we talked to Tito's rep, who said, no, you'll have to talk to NASA.
Okay, fair enough.
So we talked to NASA, and they give us the phone number of a Russian guy.
Now, we might be able to do it that way, although I'm hearing rumors now that there may be something in his contract saying he can't do anything commercial from the space station.
Now, I don't know what that means.
Does that mean he can't endorse Weedies or something?
Or does that mean that he can't do an interview with a broadcast concern.
I don't know.
So maybe contractually he can't do it.
Who knows?
But if we did ever pull it off, we would have to.
It would be almost like an email conversation.
I mean, you'd have to have a landline from here to Russia, probably satellite, actually, with all the lag time.
And then, of course, up to space again.
And the question arrives, and they answer, and then it goes back down again, back up to another satellite, back down to the U.S., and we get the answer.
There'd be such a delay having to go through Russia.
It would be kind of annoying, but I would go ahead and, of course, take the opportunity and do it anyway.
But it could be so much easier if our own organization, supported by taxpayers, NASA, would allow it to occur.
And I bounced around on about five or six channels here on the coast trying to keep up with your show.
I was watching News World International about an hour and a half ago, and there was a report on a company called, I think, Nexius out of New York, and they were saying that they've already cloned goats with spiders.
Yeah, it was a report, and they were showing the goats.
They didn't actually show them, like, milking them and making the spider web, but they were showing the DNA, and they were saying that, here, this part's the spider contribution.
And just wanted to ask you if you would ask your guests tonight.
You know, sometimes Major James had talked at one time about the differences when he was talking about Lucifer and Satan and about the fact of the crystalline colors.
You might want to ask your guests about the fact that if he happened to be in the same place at the same time or he's actually here on earth doing his thing.
I've never heard anybody really say, other than Sarah, who got pretty close or perhaps got a glimpse, but I've never heard anybody else talk about hell.
This is going to be a first.
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My question to you also, too, is, are you going to have Kathleen Keaton on again?
But it's very interesting that not only is it just this particular person that you had talked to before, but now there's actual ambassadors that are talking about him, too.
And as far as I heard somebody speaking about the challenger, there was a young man who was doing research on the challenger before it went up, and he told all the powers that be not to send up the challenger because the rings could not withstand the cold temperature.
There was a great, big investigation about the whole thing.
I'm very, very well aware of it.
Obviously, a poor decision, and there were a lot of meetings about that at NASA.
And you know, it's funny.
I've watched a lot of launches since, and a lot of them have scared me because if you remember the video of the Challenger and you remember the flames that were licking around, do you remember that?
I've seen that on subsequent flights, and I've gone, oh, man.
But I guess it's okay.
And, you know, people see things, but it very much looked like the same sort of flame to me that was certainly the problem, and they showed in great detail in the Challenger footage just prior to the explosion.
Well, I've really got turned out to show Bay about a couple of months maybe, and I never caught the pale landing of the chemtrails other than I started looking out for them.
I live up in Hesperia by Victorville.
I'm a truck driver.
I travel all around.
And I did notice them.
In Hesperia, we have clean, nice air up there.
And just like your callers mentioned that the next, by the afternoon, it's real gloomy out there and horrible looking.
The latest theory, I think the most accepted present theory is that there's weather control, that they're trying to do something to correct what they see as a deteriorating situation with the weather.
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I see.
Now, three things I did notice.
One time I was coming back from San Diego and going to up there by Cemecula, and it was at night, and I started noticing these chemtrails, and it was a clear night.
Now, the three occasions, the next, in Hayward, I noticed that the following day there was rain there.
Well, in a way, I've been waiting to do this interview for a long time, maybe all my life.
I've never had anybody describe hell to me.
And that's what Reverend Storm says he can do.
Again, he is Reverend for the Zion United Church of Christ in Norwood, Ohio.
He has a BFA from San Francisco Art Institute in 1969, an MA from the University of California at Berkeley in 1970, MFA, University of California, Berkeley, 72.
MDIV, United Theological Seminary, 1992.
So that was the MFA in 72 and the Theological Seminary in 92.
Ordination, June 14th of 92, United Church of Christ.
Was employed by the Northern Kentucky University as a professor of art, 1972 to 92.
So has a long career, coordinator or chairperson of art department for seven and one-half years, and then the Zion United Church of Christ pastoring from 1992 to present.
He's made all kinds of television appearances and radio, I would presume.
And then I just, as I went to college and stuff, came to realize at the time, from that point of view, that I was being deceived, that there was no afterlife, there was no heaven or hell, there was no God.
And the stories in the Bible were all false.
Yeah, just stories.
And that the reality was the scientific truth of the world, and that we were just biochemical organisms who had these short, pathetic little lives.
And the point of life was to have as much fun as possible.
On June 1st, 1985, I was taking a group of students around Europe, and my wife was along, and we had gone all over Germany and Amsterdam and Sweden, and now we were in France, and it was the last day of the trip.
And on that Saturday morning, I was in the hotel talking to a student, and I had an acute pain in my stomach, which I found out later was a hole had broken through my small stomach, and the stomach acid and digestive juices was leaking into my abdominal cavity.
It felt like I'd been shot.
When it happened, I went right down to the ground, just sort of crumpled up in extreme pain and terror.
And I thought that I should see glass breaking from the window because I thought that was the only place that a shot could have come from.
And they put me in an ambulance and took me probably eight miles or so across Paris to an emergency hospital where I was taken into examined by two doctors in the emergency room and X-ray.
And the situation was explained to me that this was a fairly grave situation.
And that if they attended to it right away, if I had surgery immediately, that I would be in the hospital for three or four weeks and I would have maybe four weeks of recovery and I'd be all better.
And if we didn't do the surgery right away, I would die very soon.
So this was a no-brainer, you know, like, okay, let's do the surgery.
Sure.
So they took me from that hospital, which was a public hospital, to a few blocks away to another building, which was a surgical hospital, and put me in a room on the third floor of that building to have the surgery, as they had told me, immediately.
And they kept saying, you know, now, immediately.
Urgent.
Non-beknownst to my wife or I, there wasn't a surgeon in that hospital available to do the surgery.
Well, it feels like having a red-hot coal in the middle of you.
Sure.
And then as it progressed and moved around my abdominal cavity, instead of being a point, it became an area, and then pretty soon it was all over the whole abdominal area.
Yeah, and people who are so used to American medicine find this part of the story incredible, but unfortunately, a lot of Americans who've had health care in other countries have a whole new appreciation for how good we have it in this country with American medicine.
I would recommend to avoid this place at all costs.
But anyways, so a nurse came into the room at 8.30 and said to me and my wife that she said exactly, we're very sorry, but we're unable to find a doctor, and we'll try and get one tomorrow.
Earlier in emergency, I had asked if this was the right place for me to be because I was an American, and they said, well, there is an American hospital in Paris, but there's no time to get you there because you've got to have the surgery right away.
Now, at this point, I was way too weak to even contemplate doing anything.
So when the nurse told me that there was no doctor available, I figured it was it.
It was over.
And there was no point in trying to hang on to life anymore.
And the pain was so extreme that all I wanted to do was to be out of it.
I mean, I wanted out of the world, out of this life.
And I knew that when you died, it was, you know, the lights off, you know, curtain down, it's over, it's finished.
And that was preferable to hanging on any longer because I'd been struggling for hours to stay alive with all of the strength that was depleting, you know, and all of my will just, I didn't have any will to live anymore.
So I told my wife, I said, it's time for us to say goodbye.
And she got up and hugged me and kissed me, and we told each other how much we loved each other, and we said goodbye to each other.
It was very painful, still painful to think about that.
And for my wife, too.
Yeah, of course.
And she was crying so hard.
She sat back down in the chair, and I was watching her cry her heart up because here she was watching her husband just die.
Yeah, fade away from her before her very eyes, and there wasn't anything she could do about it.
And I closed my eyes and hoped to die and no desire to live anymore, and I went unconscious.
And I don't know how long I was unconscious probably a few minutes at the most when I was conscious again and I was standing next to the bed and I felt really good.
I was very aware of the situation.
I knew that I was very sick and I needed to have an operation, and I was aware that I had a stomach problem, but I really didn't have the pain.
I felt, not only did I feel real, this is weird, but I felt more real than what would be normal.
In other words, the bottoms of my feet, to try and explain this, the bottoms of my feet were very sensitive to the texture and the temperature of the linoleum floor.
I felt so strange that I touched my legs and my head because my whole body was so alive.
And I was aware that my eyesight was better than normal.
And I just thought this was so bizarre, but I was really happy that I didn't have the pain anymore and that I was alive because the last thing I remembered was dying.
So the only thing that I could think of was that the body in the bed wasn't real.
And I was trying to figure out how this could be.
So I decided that what they had done was, while I was unconscious, they had made a wax duplicate of me and put it in the bed.
The thing I couldn't explain was why they would do that.
Because it would have been quite a bit of work to bring in the people from Madame Trussard's wax museum and make this wax replica of me.
But I was so mad at the hospital that I thought, well, they're just messing with me.
They're doing this just to mess with me.
But then I couldn't figure out why my wife would participate in this deception.
So I started yelling and screaming at her, what's going on here, using some pretty strong language.
And she didn't move, she didn't blink, she didn't respond.
So I became really angry at her because now, in addition to this very disturbing thing in the bed that looked like me, she was pretending that she couldn't see me or hear me.
Of course, she wasn't pretending because she, of course, didn't see me or hear me.
No, and I was doing what I assumed everybody in our culture was doing, which was trying to have a good life.
I had my friends, and we drank and Laughed and told jokes and had a job, and I worked hard and had a family and was providing for them, so I thought I was doing real well.
Right, and we started walking down the hall of the hospital, and at some point I became aware that the hallway of the hospital was kind of endless, and there weren't any walls, or ceiling, or lights, or anything.
It was just we're moving through a space now without any distinction at all.
It's just endless space, and we're walking, walking.
If I were to try and duplicate this part of the journey, I would have to walk maybe 100 miles or something.
And it went on and on and on and on for what seemed like not just hours, but days or weeks.
And eventually I was just so broken physically and emotionally that I was in trying to make myself as small as possible, sort of trying to form a ball on the ground of that place.
And people were kicking me.
And I was so weakened by all of this and exhausted by all of this that I could barely even moan.
And I heard my voice, but I didn't say it, and I don't know how this happened, but I heard what sounded like my voice say, pray to God.
And I thought to myself, what a stupid idea.
I don't believe in God.
And in fact, I had probably said my last prayer when I was a teenager.
This was more than 20 years later.
So that just wasn't part of who I was or what I did.
And then a second time, the same thing, I heard a voice, my voice, say, pray to God.
And I thought, I don't even know how to pray.
I don't know how to ask for help.
And part of the person that I was was someone who never asked anybody for help.
You know, I was an independent, self-sufficient guy who didn't need people.
And a third time, pray to God.
And I was thinking, what did I say when I was A kid and I got all confused because I thought that to pray was to recite some memorized verses.
That's what I'd done as a child, and I was trying to remember what that was.
And without intending it, something official.
Yeah, right.
Without intending it, some things, I kind of murmured some things, and what it was sort of coming out like was glory, glory, hallelujah.
But when I mentioned anything that had to do with God, the people that were around me became inflamed.
And they were screaming at me in extremely vulgar, obscene terms that there was no God, nobody could hear me, and they were going to really hurt me now.
What encouraged me to try and remember some phrases that had God in it was the fact that they hated it so much I was finally able to get back at them.
And then I noticed that any mention of God actually pushed them away from me and drove them back into that darkness.
So I was trying to remember stuff, and it was just all mixed up.
And so I'm trying to remember things that have God in them, and they're screaming and yelling at me and backing up and backing up further and further in the darkness.
And then I realized that the only thing I could hear anymore was me.
And I stopped, and I listened, and there was just silence around me.
So I began to consider my situation, and I can't, I'm too broken and ripped up to crawl.
And if I could crawl, where would I go?
Because absolutely no sense of how I'd gotten there or where I was, just darkness.
And I'm all alone in this place, and so I'm starting to think about my situation.
Since I didn't have any religious background at that time, what I thought had happened to me was that somehow I had gone down the sewer pipe of the universe into the cesspool, and this is where the human garbage goes.
And it just seems so pointless and empty and worthless.
And I also was thinking about the situation that I was in and that there was no way out of it for me, except that I knew that those people were going to come back.
And I really didn't want to be the victim of their sadism anymore.
And so I thought if there was some way that I could get up my strength, if they came back, I would be as vicious and as cruel as they were.
And instead of being the victim, I would become a victimizer.
And that wasn't very pleasing to me either, because I really didn't want to be part of their world and their life, which was just sort of gnarring, you know, and seeking sensation.
Well, the thing that was strange was since I didn't believe that there was life after death, I knew that I was alive, but I knew that I wasn't in the world.
And so I thought it was like somehow I had left the world and I would never be a part of the world again.
One of the most painful things in this whole experience was the realization I was never going to see my wife, my kids, my parents, my dog.
I didn't know how it would be worse, but chewing on each other.
That's almost a metaphor for what a lot of people do in life.
Chew on each other.
But, you know, is that really a I guess, you know, in your case, it's a ticket to hell, but it doesn't seem like it's deserved.
I certainly don't know God as you know God, Reverend, but it seems to me that a man who supported his family and was basically good, maybe took a drink, did a little running around.
I mean, that just doesn't seem like it ought to get you a ticket down there.
Well, what I learned later in this experience was that if we have love in us, and I'm not just talking about self-love, but love for real love for other people, and give ourselves to other people, that draws us to God.
And so I just thought that was, you know, growing up, I more and more sort of bought into that idea of like, you know, the world revolves around me and I'm the measure of everything.
We are at a break point, Reverend, and it's just as well because I need to break for a second listening to this.
And I suspect a lot of people out there do too, as you reflect on what he just said about who he was and who we all are.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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So here you are, all curled up like a ball in the middle of nothingness that you hadn't quite you certainly had not computed in your head yet was hell.
And this is really hard to explain or understand, but I feel like I was there for an eternity.
I don't know how long I was in that situation all alone, thinking about my life, but there was no sense of any limit to it.
It just seemed like an extremely long time without any measure whatsoever.
And feeling so sorry for myself and hopeless and desperately trying to find a way out of it, and there was no way out, I recalled in my memory myself as a child in a Sunday school classroom singing Jesus Loves Me.
And I felt I was feeling what I had felt as a child, this sense that there was something very good and beautiful, powerful out there in the world somewhere that cared about me.
And I very much wanted something above and beyond myself to care about me.
So not knowing if this was just a childhood fantasy or not, I yelled out into the darkness, Jesus, please save me.
With no I had no sense of whether anyone would hear that or if there was such a thing or person at all, just in the desperate hope that that might be true.
And when I did that, a tiny little, what appeared to be a star began to shine in that darkness and very rapidly got bigger and brighter and came to me.
And as its illumination shined on me, I could see that I looked like roadkill, just gore and ripped and filth.
And I felt hands come out of this light and touch me, and all of the wounds and the filth on me just began to disappear.
And more importantly, inside of me, all of the pain and all of the despair went away and I was filled with ecstasy that I can't begin to describe.
And the hands reached under me and picked me up and I was embraced in this impossibly brilliant white light by what felt like a person.
And he was stroking my back very gently like a mother or a father would with a child.
And I began to cry.
And that was significant for me because in my adult life I'd only cried like maybe two or three times because I grew up in a generation where real men don't cry.
And so I was sort of crying all the tears that I had held in all of my life.
And we began to rise up out of that darkness.
And I think we were going faster and faster.
And I was trying to get my composure together enough.
I was trying to stop crying enough to see where we were going.
And I looked out and I saw that way off in the distance there was a focal point or concentration of more light.
And we were moving towards that.
And there was all this activity around it, coming and going.
And we were moving towards that.
And as we moved towards it, I suddenly had the realization that that was like God or heaven or something.
And I felt, and I thought to myself, I'm such a piece of garbage.
They've made a terrible mistake.
I don't belong here.
And with that, we stopped.
And for the first time, this person, whom I refer to as Jesus, spoke to me.
And he said, we don't make mistakes.
You do belong here.
And then we began to converse, and I immediately realized that he could hear everything that I thought.
And then he would project his voice into my head.
And I wasn't hearing him through my ears.
I was just hearing him speak into my mind.
And he was trying to put me at ease, and he said he had friends that he wanted me to meet, so he called out with musical tones, and about seven people, or beings of light, these brilliant white light people came and were hanging in space, and they hovered or hung around us.
And then they tried to put me at ease.
And one of the things they said to me was, do you want to see us in our human form?
And I said, I hate people.
When I say, I said, I actually never said anything.
what I thought, I thought, I hate people.
I never want to see people again.
And I said, why would I want to see people?
You know, you're so much more beautiful than people.
I mean, like, you know.
And they said, that's okay.
You know, whatever.
You know, fine.
After, one of the funny things that happened was I realized that at this point I wasn't wearing any clothes.
And they said that they wanted to show me my life.
And so that was fun because, hey, it's going to be about me.
This is great.
I'm getting all this attention.
And so we started off and we were watching little scenes.
And these were sort of like they were projecting from their memory or record of my life, these scenes of my life, starting off as a baby.
And I see my mother and father playing with me.
And it just was like to see my parents young and happy and playing with me as a baby was just so beautiful.
And I saw myself growing up and swimming at the beach and playing ball out in the street in the neighborhood.
And everything's delightful and wonderful.
And then I see, as my life's going on, things beginning to sort of deteriorate, and there's family fights.
And I'm sort of hiding in my room because I don't want to get clobbered because of what's going on in the household.
And pulling back emotionally from my family and the world as a sort of defense mechanism.
And then moving, I'm skipping over.
I'm not going to tell you the whole story of my life, but I see God gives me the gift of a woman who falls in love with me, who I fall in love with.
And I was more interested in the lust part than the love part.
And we got married, and we had children.
And I see myself just pulling back from people emotionally.
I don't want to be involved with people because you revolve with people, you're going to have pain.
You're going to get hurt, you know?
And so I'm becoming more and more hard-hearted and manipulative of other people where basically like everybody else are like chess pieces that I have to kind of maneuver around or through to get my way.
But I'm not interested in their feelings.
I'm not interested in them as people.
They're just things that you have to deal with all the time.
And some of them are pleasurable things to deal with, and some of them are very disagreeable.
And so I just try and adopt this persona of being the biggest, baddest bear in the woods.
That way I will get my way.
Being kind of like a little mini tyrant in my little world.
And it's very painful to see all this in this company because they were sharing with me their feelings of extreme disappointment because what they were interested in as we watched my life was where I had been kind, loving, compassionate.
One of the scenes that More of me judging myself because they were sharing with me that I was completely failing what I had been created for and what they had expected of me.
Like, for example, my father and I, as I became an adult, our relationship went from bad to worse to the point where we no longer even had a relationship.
And I had always thought all my life that my father had been a big jerk and I'd been the victim of a really lousy father.
But what I saw in this whole experience was that I had contributed to the failure in our relationship.
But see, you're not describing anything so bad at all that almost everybody can't in some way or another identify with what you're saying right now with respect to their life.
Yeah, and I think by the standards of our culture, what we call good isn't good enough.
It's not what we were created for and what God expects of us.
God expects a whole lot more than what we're giving back to God.
And at several points I said, okay, that's enough.
I don't want to see any more of this.
Like, you know, I get it.
I said, no, you've got to watch this.
And one of the things that happened that was funny was every time we'd go close to a period of my life where I had won a prize or an honor or a promotion or some kind of achievement.
And they'd show a scene of me blowing off a student who would come to see me for some sympathetic advice.
And I was just like, you know, I'm thinking in my head while the student's like whining on about their sad little love life, I'm thinking, oh man, they don't pay me enough to listen to this garbage all day long.
And what they had hoped I would have done was to have cared about that person, given them a little time and attention.
My job wasn't to fix them, but to simply be there for them, to care about them, be compassionate.
So my life review as it progressed was increasingly a disaster.
And I'm like really embarrassed and ashamed.
And the only good part of it was that I knew that the company that I was in, Jesus and the angels, that they loved me in spite of the fact that they knew everything about me.
They knew all my dirty little secrets and all of the rotten things I've done in the world, and they still loved me.
Although I can really say that they hated things that I did, they still loved me as a person.
Just as I love my kids, no matter what they do, even if they make me really angry or displeased with them, I still love them.
In terms of a personal question, I said, why did God make me a person who was never satisfied with what I was told?
I was always trying to find out more and more and more.
Good question.
Why did God make me a person who just wondered about everything all the time and never seemed to be able to just accept things like other people could just accept it?
I couldn't accept it.
Really good question.
And they said that that was a really special gift from God.
The only problem was that I had misused the gift because the purpose of having that kind of a mind was to be able to discover the truth.
And they said, whenever I found the truth, I would just like, well, that's not it, and I'd keep going.
So instead of seeking the truth and finding the truth, I turned seeking into its own end.
I was just always questioning and never receiving the answer even when it was given to me.
When the fact was she did love me and it stuck by me for 20 years and is like obvious to everybody in the world except to me.
That sort of thing.
So I asked them, this was in 1985, and one of the things that I'd gone up with was the very real possibility of a nuclear war that would annihilate the whole planet.
And I said, there's 40,000 weapons poised and ready to go.
And even if no one actually planned a nuclear war, it's just inevitable that somebody's going to accidentally set something off, and then there's going to be a nuclear exchange, and the whole Earth is going to be annihilated.
And I said, it's not going to happen.
God's not going to allow it.
And I said, so is God going to take God's hand and just like stop the missiles when they're launched?
They said, if that's what it's going to take, God will do it.
And they said, the planet doesn't belong to people.
They said, the planet and all that's in it belongs to God.
And God cares about all the creatures in the world, not just people.
And God's not going to allow human beings to destroy the earth.
So he actually had the opportunity to ask questions.
And one of them was about nuclear war.
We will continue with all of this in a moment.
My guest is the Reverend Howard Storm.
He's in Kentucky right now and has a church in Norwood, Ohio.
We'll be right back.
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Really interesting, really interesting watching the reactions on the Fast Blast to The Reverend Storm.
There's every range you can imagine from thank you to I've always wondered to it worries me to boy am I angry, this is just a religious advertisement to you name it, the entire range of spectrum of reaction you might get to a story like this, and I've never had one told on the story, on the air like this.
No story like this, certainly.
And so it's kind of interesting to observe the reaction out there.
It ranges from joy to, I guess, dispassionate interest, passionate interest to anger.
He's written a book called My Descent into Death and the Message of Love, which brought me back.
And I just went myself to Amazon.com and it received a five-star review.
You know, they take an average of all the customer reviews who have read the book.
And it's got a full five-star review on Amazon.com.
Anyway, that is the title of his book.
He Wouldn't Tell You, I Will, My Descent into Death and the Message of Love, which brought me back.
Check it out yourself on Amazon.
We'll be right back.
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Now we take you back to the night of May 3rd, 2001 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Like I said, this just, I think I asked thousands of questions.
I asked them what's going to happen to the United States.
And they said that this country had been given more than any other nation in the history of the world.
And that this was a gift from God.
And that God expected us to do a lot with this gift.
And we were not doing it.
And God was very displeased with America.
And that what God was expecting America to do was to be the moral leader of the world, a place where educators, engineers, scientists, teachers would stream out of this country and bring the rest of the world up to the kind of standards that we enjoy.
And instead, we were more or less exploiting the rest of the world for our own.
And they said, unless America changes its ways, America is going to lose all that it's been given.
And I said, well, how?
And they said, economically, that our economic system would fail, and we would sink into chaos and that the rest of the world would turn their backs on us.
Because although we are greatly admired by the rest of the world for our prosperity and our wealth, that we're deeply resented because the rest of the world knows that we are basically taking advantage of our position of power in this world.
And that God wants the United States to be a force for good in the world instead of just.
And the answer was, the one that brings you closest to God.
That's exactly what they said.
And I said, well, which is the one that brings you closest to God then?
And they said, it depends on the culture and the tradition that the person was raised in.
And I said, well, are religions all the same then?
And they said, no.
They said, there's good religions that have good and bad people in them, and there's bad religions with good and bad people in them.
And it really doesn't have to do with religion.
It's about what a person does with it.
So you can have a perfectly awful religion and have a really good person doing good in it.
And you can conversely have a really fine religion and people tearing it down.
And that has been my experience since then.
Religions are not inherently good or bad.
It's what the individual does with it that makes it either worthwhile or a detriment to human progress in respect to love.
I asked them about what happens to people when they die, and they said that when a good person dies, that God sends angels and or emissaries, and the emissaries might be loved ones that have preceded them, like for example your grandmother or parent or brother or sister or something, to meet that person.
And that they would then escort that person towards heaven.
And as they progressed towards heaven, people would become transformed and all of the worries and doubts and places where they were deficient in life would be changed and they would become in time fully loving people,
the children of God, and that eventually that they would meet Jesus and they would in time be presented to God.
And I said, and if not, and they said, well, you know what happens otherwise.
And I said, well, what determines whether a person goes to heaven or not?
And they said, well, if a person is loving and has been loving in their life, they will go to God.
And if they haven't been loving, they'll go away from God.
And that there's not an alternative to those two choices.
You're either moving towards God or away from God.
And there's nothing in between.
And the journey to God doesn't necessarily happen very quickly.
In the case of Mother Teresa, she would be on the express route, you know, the non-stop train to God.
Someone like me, you know, I'd be on the milk train, you know, making all the local stops while I became a better person in the process.
So again, what an incredible opportunity to be able to ask all of these questions.
I don't suppose you posed one about Buddhists and others who have faith but not in the God that you're talking about right now, who had Jesus on earth, you know, and all the rest of that.
And I was trying to convince them that it was in my best interest that I go to heaven.
And they were trying to convince me that that just wasn't going to happen.
And I had to come back to the world.
Like, for example, I said to them, if you send me back into the world, I'm going to make lots of mistakes.
And I'll end up right back where I was.
And what would be the point of all this if I'm going to go back into the world and be a perfect human being?
I said, if you send me back, am I going to be perfect?
And they said, no.
I said, so I'm going to make all these mistakes all over again.
And they said, yes, we know you're going to make mistakes.
That's the nature of human beings.
They make lots of mistakes.
And they said, this time, try and learn from your mistakes instead of just repeating them over and over and over again and just keeping doing the sins.
You could actually become a better person by learning from your mistakes.
And they said, don't worry about my mistakes.
If I took my mistakes to God and confessed my mistakes, that God would forgive me and that that would be the end of them.
They wouldn't be held against me.
I said that to them, I said, you can't send me back to the world because the world is a horrible, cruel, ugly place full of evil people.
Why would you send me back there?
And they said, well, there is that element in the world, but the world is also full of beauty and goodness and love and really fine people.
And I said, well, that wasn't my experience.
And they said, well, that's right.
That wasn't your experience because that's what you are on the inside will attract the experience of life around you.
So that if you're loving on the inside, you'll attract loving people to you.
And if you look for beauty, you'll find beauty.
But if you are cruel on the inside, you're going to find cruelty.
And if you're looking for ugliness, you'll certainly find ugliness in the world.
So everything that I brought up, they defeated my final really big argument was, I said, you can't send me back to the world because I'll die in the world of a broken heart.
Because I said to them, Nobody's ever known me or loved me or cared about me the way that you do.
And I can't live without this.
And they said, you know, haven't you learned, they said to me, haven't you learned anything?
Don't you know that we've always been with you, that we've always been around you and known you and cared about you and we always will be with you?
And I said, well, I never saw you before.
I never talked to you before.
I never knew you were there.
How will I know you back in the world?
Will I be able to see you?
Will I be able to talk to you?
And they said, no.
I said, well, then, when I get back there, how long is it going to be before I think you're not with me?
And I'll feel alone like I did before.
They said, well, if you pray, sometimes you might just know in your heart that we're with you.
And that sometimes, not when you want it, but when we feel like you need it, we'll let you know that we're around.
And I said to them, do you promise that?
And I said, yes.
And I said, each of you promise me that you will be with me and let me know that you're with me.
And so they did.
And I said, I can go back if you'll be with me forever.
And the pain that I had been in earlier was, I was returned right back to that same messed up body.
And I was gasping for breath.
And immediately, the nurse who'd been in the room a little bit earlier came back into the room and said, a doctor has arrived at the hospital, and we're going to take you to surgery.
And they evicted my wife from the room, and they prepared me for surgery.
And as I passed her on the gurney on the way to surgery, I looked at her and I said, you know, everything's going to be good from now on.
And she just cried more because she thought, you know, this is like some brave words.
She didn't realize that I really meant that.
And when I was in the recovery area after the surgery, this was now on Sunday morning, she came and saw me and she said, Howard, and I said, it's all love.
And she said, I love you.
And I said, I know you love me.
But I said, it's all love.
And she said, well, there's people that love you.
And I said, I know there's people that love me, but you don't understand.
It's about love.
That's what it's all about.
And she said, oh, that's nice, dear.
And I said, it's huge.
I said, it's bigger than the whole ocean.
And you've got to go into the ocean to experience the love.
And she said, you need to get some rest, dear.
And I realized that this was going to be very difficult trying to explain this to anyone.
I mean, I went through a wild of being a religious fanatic and managed to drive everybody away from me and off religion.
I probably did more damage, you know, during my fanatical period than many people do in a lifetime, you know, trying to convert people, which doesn't work.
Reverend, I'm kind of curious, and I have to ask for the audience, how do you know that all of this wasn't just a tortured dream from somebody who had passed out in a terrible, painful physical condition?
Immediately upon gaining consciousness, that was the first thing that I began to think about.
Sure.
And I knew that one thing, I knew that something had happened to me that was really, really important and I needed to pay attention to it.
But the problem was that I knew that if I were to accept what I had experienced, I was going to have to totally change my entire life, which I really didn't want to do because I'd spent 38 years working very hard to create a life and now it was all in jeopardy.
That seemed like a really bad idea.
Why change everything?
But on the other hand, the angels and Jesus did reappear to me after the experience.
And they did things that saved my life afterwards.
And it became basically impossible for me, because they were intervening in my life in miraculous ways, to do anything else.
I suppose otherwise you might eventually talk yourself into the fact that it had been just a bad dream of some sort and revert to the easier way of living here on earth.
But you say they came again.
That would do it.
That would do it.
And so in a long process, then you entered the seminary, I guess.
Well, first I discovered church and was in church for a while and thought that church was made up of a bunch of fumbling ordinary human beings, but they were pursuing something really worthwhile.
And over a period of years, decided I really wanted to be a part of that.
Yes, it's as though she got to look into a couple of areas that he might have described.
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Right, only he was more like victimized or something.
My question, though, is this.
You, I know, have invested in renewable energy, and I was curious with the scaling back of funding for renewable energy, if you felt like it was a worthwhile investment for yourself, because George W. thinks that oil and nukes will be a better solution for us.
And it's really disturbing to me as a parent because I have a child that's going to go into the, you know, in the next however many decades, and she's going to have to breathe this bunk that they're producing with their fossil fuels.
And all you can do is, if you believe in something strongly enough, you take individual action.
You know, and despite what people think, I don't make a great deal of money doing what I'm doing.
I've intentionally not sought it out.
I've gone for other things.
And so I took a substantial amount of money, more than I should have, and more than no doubt will be returned to me for a significant amount of time, and did it because I do believe in it.
Solar power and wind power are absolutely real.
They're only two alternatives, but they're absolutely real.
They work.
I've got it here.
I know.
So I have sort of a dual-track thought about the whole thing.
And one is I realize that in the short term, we must have oil.
We must have coal.
We may even be forced to drill in Anwar.
A conversion of a nation's energy supply is not going to be an immediate thing.
So we've got to continue to meet our demands in the short term.
What bothers me is that in the long term, we have decided to put our head in the sand.
And we've cut the funding for alternative fuel research in half.
Now, that's just plain nutsoid, as far as I'm concerned.
So do I. But, I mean, that's just, you know, as the emailer said, a lot of people will do what that emailer did, and they say, baloney, there's no proof, end of story.
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Well, okay.
I had experience like that also.
And I had, you know, like PCO2 was my PCO2, you know, I almost died, and PCO2 was high, and pH was down, and oxygen was low.
And I had experience like that.
And I had the same experience.
And I was told that there will be like a big comet will be coming in the year 2004.
Around August 2004, there will be a comet coming to the Earth.
And it will damage the oil fields, you know.
So I agree with you.
There should be alternative energy.
The comet will be coming to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
And I want you to have this presentation, if you like, Earthlink Mindspring.
I've talked to, besides you, several other professional friends in the computer field who say that's the best medium for research as a server, ISP, however you call it.
And I now have a permanent account, automatically deducted visa every month as of the 17th of last month, thanks to you.
No, I haven't had her in the past, as I just told you.
You get me information if you would like me to have her on.
In fact, I'll say this to all callers now and listeners.
If there's somebody that you would like me to have on, if at all possible, don't just say, oh, would you please have on so-and-so?
Give me some information so I can contact them.
Any contact you have, information you have at all, greatly enhances your chances of my getting that person on.
Because there's a great deal involved.
In fact, people who would like to be on the air should contact me, artbell at mindspring.com.
If you're a guest, a potential guest, or you want to have somebody on, do the best you can to get me some contact info.
It will really enhance the possibility of that person getting on.
Wildcardline, you're on the air.
unidentified
Art?
Yes.
Hi, how are you?
Fine.
Just two catchwords made me really want to call.
When your guest earlier said it's all about love, and it's funny, too, these other people, I also, about three months ago, died in a dream.
I was living as either a Native American or indigenous person, real simple living, prairie-like, and we were being attacked, and I was killed by a spear through the stomach.
And it was really strange because I went to a remembered place where you go when you die, and I know I'd been There before, and I wanted to go right back.
And they were telling me you don't have to go right back, but I do because of the message.
And he said, well, you can't bring the message.
You know, you have to leave that here.
But in my dream, somehow, I brought it.
And it was the exact same thing he said.
I was telling these people who were being slaughtered by others that don't worry about it.
Well, I don't know about rethinking the Antichrist line.
Actually, I think it's healthy.
Very healthy.
And you never know of all the calls you get out there if just one of them.
It only takes one that's real.
unidentified
This is true.
But it's also the same reason we find our most hilarious jokes are at other people's misfortune because we have to laugh at that because it may happen to us.
Tonight, Dr. Stephen Greer is going to be here, and Dr. Greer is finally actually doing it.
He's talked about it for years and years, and he is going to the National Press Club, and in front of the nation's press, he is going to parade a lot of people that he has been unwilling to talk about for a long time.
It's a very, very, very serious affair regarding UFOs, retrieval operations.
There are going to be military people talking that have never talked before.
Tomorrow night, you're going to get a preview of what's to come.
And so if you're part of the nation's press, you probably want to be listening tomorrow night and sort of mentally deciding whether you want to be at the press club, whether you think it'd be a worthwhile endeavor to be at the press club.
It's going to be quite something.
And it's been a lot of years in the coming, and I'm sure you've heard Dr. Greer talk about it many times.
Well, it would probably sustain very severe winds.
I have two wind generators on 48-foot masts and their guide with aircraft cable.
So they're not going anywhere.
And the wind generators themselves are meant when the wind becomes too severe for them, which it does do out here, they automatically tilt backwards so that the wind can't damage them.
In other words, there's a spring arrangement on the entire motor.
It's really nothing more than a motor.
It's a stator, a generator.
And the whole thing tilts backwards.
And, of course, as it tilts backwards to protect itself, it stops catching as much of the wind.
And in severe enough winds, it'll literally tilt 90 degrees.
unidentified
I see.
I was thinking that the weather might get so bad that things like that might just become useless or just get destroyed, you know, if the wind gets 100 miles an hour or going.
And I was going to tell you about it, you know what you need to do about the mad cow thing?
You need to do what I'm doing.
My consumption of beef has about tripled because I want to eat as much of it as I can now before I can't eat it.
And I noticed the people in the grocery store, I don't know if you do your shopping, but the people at the meat department in the grocery store are getting a little freaky, I think, because they were bumping us out of the way the other day when we were in there.
It was a sale on beef.
And my girlfriend just hollered at me something about the prices, like, look at these.
And there was people, this woman came over and almost grabbed the power roast that she had right out of her hand.
And within 10 seconds, there must have been 10 people right in that area trying to clean up what was in that.
I don't know about, you know, just trying to over-beef yourself now in order to prepare for a dearth of beef later.
Probably not a real good idea.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
I was wondering, have you made a connection like with the guest tonight about it's all about love?
And then those two gentlemen a few nights ago who were talking about raw or whatever, but they were saying that the fourth level of being a human was all about love.
After about three hours, when I was capable of doing horizontal figure eights at a 60-degree bank, that night when I was going to sleep, I had memories of astral travel pre-birth, which is very interesting.
Look, I'll give you what advice I have, and that is you must use self-discernment.
Nobody is going to advise you, least of all me.
Am I going to tell you John Edwards is the real thing or not?
No, I am not.
Nor can I know about anybody else, including the people that come on this program.
How can I possibly know and possibly be in a position to advise you on whether it's a real thing?
That's something you can only decide for yourself.
So I would never, ever endeavor to tell anybody, oh, yes, sir, he's a real one.
He's really talking to the people on the other side.
I have no idea.
Well, Carline, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello, Aric.
Yes.
I'd like to give your viewers, your listeners, some information about an easing that I think might be very interesting to them considering tonight's topic.
Okay.
It's called the Greenstone Review.
And it's basically an easing that's about what we're meant to do here on Earth, why we have astral travel experiences, lots of other issues that I think apply to your discussion tonight.
I actually sent you an email a while ago, and I didn't give you the address that I should have given you.
So if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to give the email address for your listeners.
When I look around me of where I'm living, in the city I'm living, and I see that there are homeless shelters that are closing because they can't raise $150,000 in their elderly places and things that feed the poor.
They're closing because they can't even raise $50,000, $75,000.
I think that it's an abomination that a person will be...
It's so self-centered, and it's not going anywhere until people start to put the funding back into society.
And I don't think the space station is an abomination.
And I don't think that man's quest to keep pushing the envelope is an abomination.
I think it's something that together we can and should do.
I just think that NASA should be more responsive to those people that support it, like, you know, us, the taxpayer.
unidentified
I agree with that.
And I do agree that both things could possibly be done, but I don't think man is on the spiritual level, to tell you the truth, to be able to go out into space.
Just for the fact that everything's shutting down, they can't even raise $50,000, and there's people homeless and starving in the street right in front of me.
And a man self- I'll make the second point because I don't want to take up all the time.
I believe that this man experienced exactly what he experienced, your guest tonight.
I believe that he totally experienced that from his background when he called out.
And by the way, I've never once heard someone on the air actually say Christ's actual historical name, which in Hebrew was Yehashua.
You see, I think that if you call out and you're calling out to God and you don't have quite the right name, that you're going to just sink into the depths of hell because you didn't get the name right.
That's just something that I personally don't believe about God.
It's part of this strict religious dogma that drives me away from it in the first place.
If you are in absolute distress and you say, oh, God, help me, please help me, or Buddha, or whatever it is you believe in, then I rather think that you will be helped.
And I think that if you don't get the name quite right or you don't use the perfect biblical version of the name, that that is going to prevent you from getting help.
If that's the case, then it's not exactly structured as I imagine anyway, which, of course, it might not be.
But if it's like that, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I don't buy it.
Wild or no, International Line, you're on the air.
I was just switching gears a little bit from the last call, but something that I've come across on the net about the UFO X-Files internet show that was supposed to be held is going to be cancelled.
I was wondering if you'd heard any more about that.
My question for you, Art, is I know you've expressed libertarian views in the past.
Yes.
And my question for you is, if you believe in libertarian views as Harry Brown and so forth, why do you think it's George Bush's why should he fund a alternative energy?
Oh, I don't think I said anything about subsidizing.
I think we were discussing funds for research, weren't we?
unidentified
Well, the two are pretty much tied together in as much as if alternative energy sources are commercially viable, then they'll be able to carry themselves on their own.
Now, I know you've set up an alternative energy source.