Deek Richards recounts a 1982 German military retrieval of a 60-foot, flexible UFO—weighing 20–30,000 pounds—with five gray, ammonia-smelling alien bodies in black leotards near Fulda Gap during Reforger exercises. Richards and 50+ enlisted personnel lifted it under UCMJ threats, while a second flight in Antarctica (April 2001) allegedly carried radiation gear despite nuclear bans. James Gilliland’s ESETI claims telepathic UFO contact near Mount Adams, Washington, with 700+ witnesses, including beings from other star systems teaching humanity through cosmic sounds and energy. Gilliland’s Self-Mastery Earth Institute sells tapes of encounters, linking them to humanity’s fifth-world civilization shift—though free will remains uncompromised. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest Woods.
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
And it really does include all of that, you know, from Guam in the west, the Rock, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
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That's KCRS in Midland, Texas.
Welcome to Chaos.
That's what we have up here a lot of nights, and tonight, believe me, is no different.
Oh my, there's so much going on.
Just a little more station keeping business, and that is pretty good news, actually.
For those of you who follow such things, and I usually try and give out the information as it comes in, the Winter Ratings Book.
That's the Winter Ratings book, has just come out in the first major cities across the U.S. And in this case, it will include two of the three months since I've been on the air.
Just to give you some idea, we went straight up to number one in Philadelphia.
In Los Angeles, the uptick was unbelievable.
We went from a 3.8 to a 6.9 or an 81.6% increase, just giving you some idea.
The whole story is on the website.
In Chicago, hello, WLS, 12 plus persons, all persons, 12 plus.
We went from an average quarter hour of 11.2 to 20.1.
That's a 79.5% increase.
So the whole story with all of the details as you read about such things is on my website right now at www.artbell.com entitled Press Release Art Bell in Ratings Boom.
Not exactly bad news for anybody in the radio business, so I'm pretty happy about that, as you might imagine.
Now, the work that I've got to do tonight is stacking up fast, and we've got a lot to do.
I've got Deke Richards on the phone.
This time, not a cell phone, but for his immediate safety in a public place on a regular phone, so he'll be easier to hear.
He told a story the other night you might not have heard because it occurred late in the program.
It's a story virtually of a second Roswell that you may never have heard before.
There was so much interest the first time he told the story, and I mean from the highest level UFO researchers, that I thought before I turned his phone number, and he's authorized me to do that, over to them, that I would bring him on the air one more time and let him tell his incredible story.
And there are a couple of things we hadn't heard before.
We'll get to those.
This is about a crash retrieval with bodies in Germany, folks.
Serious story.
Also a very serious story.
We're following what's going on at the bottom of the world.
Now, the mainstream news tells me, I see AP, a rescue plane, completed the perilous first leg of flight home from the South Pole, carrying an ailing American doctor across Antarctica before landing at a base near the coast.
The propeller plane carrying Dr. Ronald Shemensky, who's suffering from a gallbladder ailment, flew from the U.S. base at the pole to Ruthera Research Station in just about eight hours.
They've landed safely, but, oh, there is so much more to this story than what I'm reading here.
And this is the top story right now.
And it is apparently obscuring the more important news, far more important news.
We've got a big update coming from Mr. Hoagland, short but big, at the beginning of the next hour or maybe toward the end of this hour.
I'm not sure yet.
And then, of course, we've got James Gilliandon.
I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.
Gilliland.
Gilliland, G-I-L-L-I-L-A-N-D.
I think that's right, Gilliland.
We'll find out.
Anyway, I slaughter names all the time.
In a moment, we'll be right back.
And when we are, we'll have Deke Richards here, who was in Germany when something big came down.
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I received a three-page fax from a man named Deke Richards about, oh, I don't know, several days ago, an absolutely riveting fax detailing, a crash and a retrieval in Germany.
Might as well call it what it is, the Full the Gap area.
Now, I wanted to bring Deke back on.
There's been deep interest from high up in the UFO community.
I knew exactly what I wanted to do because up there in one of our cornfields, a guy got stuck there one night and I had to go out there at 2 o'clock in the morning to get him out of there because if my father found this guy in our cornfield, he would have had, well, a butt full of buck shots.
Being in a supply and service company there, we had a laundry and bath platoon, and they went out to the field quite often to service other military units, you know, infantry a lot that was in there.
And Baumholder was, well, the headquarters for 8th ID was up there in fact, Kreuznach, but the 8th ID, the main contingent of the 8th ID, the 8th Infantry Division, was right there in Baumholder.
So our laundry platoon had to go out quite often.
And so we had a record.
Before they changed the TO ⁇ E, we had a record.
And I was the only 63 Whiskey there in the unit, and I was assigned, of course, to the record.
The 29th Supply and Service Company, Durham Reforger, had gotten tasked to support the 11th ACR, which is the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment up there in Path Hirschfeld, Germany.
And they patrol the 1K zone, you know, no man's land, to fold the gap.
Well, not at this particular junction because there was a lot of jumping around there because you had a lot of recovery to do because people were getting stuck up there and everything else all the time.
Even that little D7, being the workhorse as it is, it had trouble moving some of them big fir trees.
And so the Jeeps were following first, and then it was the two wreckers, and then it was the disenhap behind the wreckers that had the personnel in it.
So we're going for about 150 yards, and then he stops and tells us to put on our gas masks.
Well, anybody that's ever been out in the field, you always have your web gear and your gas mask with you.
And so we had to put our gas mask on.
So we drove up another 20 yards, and then he made the dismount signal, and we all dismounted, got out of the record, and everything else.
The bulldozer is continuing up.
Now, at this point, the only thing that we could see was this huge, shiny thing sticking out of the ground.
Music All right, now back to Deke Richards, who's at a very public place right now on the road and trying to get the story out and doing a damn good job of it at that.
Deke, you're back on the air.
And so here, this craft is halfway into the earth.
looking at each other just wondering what's going on here are we you know where are we but and so anyway the next day we're out there and And we finally got enough dug underneath there where we could put the sling on each side of these things, and we positioned the wreckers out.
One nice thing about the five-ton wrecker, it's very, very versatile.
It's got many, many purposes, many uses.
And by using boom supports and everything else, you drastically increase the capacity.
Anyway, I remember when you told the story before, you talked about some tubes, and you said when you got down low, when you were digging in, you actually got to sort of look into a part of the craft that...
So the tubes were out there, and I mean, they weren't in any kind of order or anything like that.
They were all over the place.
They were all over the place.
But what I could see from up inside, now personally with my mechanical background and my knowledge of mechanics, I personally thought that this was the engine room.
And what you could see up inside there was this great big humongous, just, I mean, because it was dark inside there, too.
You've got to understand that.
And I didn't shine my flashlight up underneath there because I was in cramped quarters.
Okay?
Because my ear was right down into the dirt when I'm taking one eye and being able to look up inside this.
Because meanwhile, while we're out there, you've got guys with brooms on top of this thing trying to dig off the dirt.
And one thing I didn't mention before, too, is that whenever you hit this thing with a shovel, I mean, you know, just because I did that a couple of times.
The shape of the craft, though, when you had it fully up and you could really take a good look at it as it was going to the flatbed, you would, again, describe it as a triangle.
If you took some silly putty and rolled it up and made yourself an oval and then took one end and tried to stretch that out a little bit, what would you have?
I mean, there wasn't a scratch on this thing, except for the gas that was on the side where the tubes were coming out.
And that's where some of the metal...
Yes, there was.
About the last 80 to 50 yards or so, there was debris from the first or second tree.
That's why I'm assuming that the gas happened because of the trees because if you know anything about fir trees they're going to stand there I can hope.
Okay one of the government gurus was out there instructing them to pick up every little piece no matter how minute how many little pieces and they had little trash bags to put to put them in.
I mean to say the least and and they had probably 20 guys out there who looked like they had a whole platoon out there picking up these little titty pieces and putting them into these bags and he said no pieces unleft.
And so anyway Mike and I we got the craft up and we had to spin it around.
So one of us had to drop our wrecker.
One of us had to drop our end after we got it out of the dirt and after they got all the dirt off of it and everything else.
And I had to take my wrecker around with the sling still hooked up and I spun it around.
Mike came around with his boom and then he lifted it up and so we're sitting there and then the flatbed backed right underneath it.
And then we dropped it right down onto the flatbed and it took them at least two hours to tarp this thing because it was definitely oversized for the flatbed.
And they had to wait for, I'm assuming that they had to wait for Clarence and everything else to take it down the Audubon.
That was the main clear thing that they were going to do.
No, they had to build with 2x4s something to take away the silhouette of this thing.
I mean, the tarp was on, was not on the craft.
It was on 2x4s.
They were constructing something to take away the silhouette so they could transport it down the highway.
And we're there during this whole thing because now we're in the third day, by the time this is all going on and everything else, and they were waiting for darkness to take that thing out of there.
I mean, they took it out into the field, and they had an MP perimeter around this whole area.
And they didn't want to work at night because they didn't want to draw attention to anything.
All my guests are going to get pushed a little bit, so everybody just hang in there.
I want to get this story start to finish very carefully, and that's what we're doing right now.
Deke Richards is telling you about something as big as Roswell, except it happened in Germany.
As always, you be the judge.
But I know how I'd vote.
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Well, maybe the gas was too big to repair itself because it tore away some of the matter.
I never tore away none of the matter.
You would just make an indentation where you hit it with the shovel.
You know, when you're taking a little small spade and thrusting it up, because you've got to understand, I mean, I'm dealing with forest topsoil there with a lot of roots and everything else.
So I've got to thrust it down in there with my boot and everything else.
So when I'm thrusting it up underneath there, obviously it's going to make a mark there on the belly side of the craft.
We were put onto a bus out of the field area and shipped up the hill to the 11th ACR Concern, where the 11th ACR was, where they had the barracks and everything.
And we were put into one barracks.
It was the first and the 13th.
And we were on the first floor, and they put us all in there.
And when the Fulberg Colonel come walking in, and this was our debriefing.
And, well, if you want to call it debriefing, what it was during the riot app.
All right, well, the Colonel had come up there, and he had paused for a moment, and he had said, okay, gentlemen, he said, what you've seen here today is not to be spoken of outside this room.
You're not to speak of it amongst yourselves to nothing or nobody, not even your wives, not even your grandchildren.
And he says, to do so, you would be subject to UCMJ, which is the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and I would not hesitate to put one of you away for 20 to 30 years in Fort Leavenworth.
And while he's doing that, the government gurus are putting, I didn't mention this either, we had to sign a security agreement.
And so, and then he goes on with his...
I didn't.
He just said, sign them.
He told us this was a security agreement with the United States government, and I'm just summarizing it for you.
And he said, quote, this is on a need-to-know basis, gentlemen, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nobody in this room or outside this room that has a need-to-know basis.
So in other words, just keep your mouth shut, sign the paper, send them forward.
And, you know, when this full bird colonel stands up there and he's telling you this, and he's speaking in a real firm voice when he's saying this, and you don't tell nobody.
I would appeal to anybody that was in the 29th Supply and Service Company, stationed in Baumholder, anybody in the 24th Supply and Service Company, I owe it a piece of.
Anybody in the 293rd Combat Engineers, and anybody in the 48th Maintenance, and anybody that was in the tent that morning that heard that loud bang and the thud.
And anybody that knows about this, please contact Art.
I want to additionally inform you that Dr. Stephen Greer of CSATI and a man named Dr. Stanton Friedman, who's a nuclear physicist into this sort of thing, both would like to contact you.
So with your permission, currently right now, I'm with the Department of the Interior in the state of Maine, and I'm going down to North Carolina to get some largemouth pass to introduce them to some of the lakes up there.
Well, now it's going to get turned over to the big boys and girls.
And we'll see where it goes.
But that was a lot of detail.
That was a lot of accuracy.
And I think I'd leave the man.
I don't know.
It's like everything else.
We submit it to you, the listener, and in this case, others.
And we'll see where it goes.
But I think you just heard a very important story.
Now we're going to switch gears.
We're going to be doing a lot of that gear switching tonight.
And we're going to get an update on what's going on down at the bottom of the world.
It sure is a hell of a mixed-up situation in Antarctica.
One story after another, one story contradicting another, even from the websites that are down there.
It's incredibly confusing.
The lead story nationally right now is about the Rescue of the doctor in Antarctica, who I recall Richard saying didn't particularly want to be rescued at all.
Here, once again, is Richard C. Hoagland continuing with the story in Antarctica.
this was you know coming to a close of the oven of the season how does a rumor But I mean, this is a big one of UFO that's going to land right here in the Antarctic.
Well, you know what is curious is that Harris Report says that the news itself on base is controlled.
There is no free press.
It is government.
It is the U.S. government running the place.
This is a town with 1,200 people during the summer, 85 buildings, you know, hangars and, you know, astrophysical observatories and chem labs and, you know, people looking at penguins and things like that.
So it's a major small town, but it's run by the National Science Foundation through Raytheon Polar Services.
And Harris made a point to say that the official news, you know, what they see on their local TV, what they see on their webcast, what they see in their little hand-printed newspaper, is all government-controlled.
So he said that the major source of news for people is the rumor mill, which is not controlled.
And then he goes out of his way to point up this story of a major UFO landing over the biggest base in Antarctica sometime in December.
And then he said he found this poster, which I wish he'd send me a copy because I'd like to see what it looked like.
And then when they found the culprit, when the authorities found the culprit, what do they do?
I mean, I used to do things for National Public Radio.
I have friends that are in high places at NPR, and NPR doesn't kind of kid around.
So why was this rumor going around?
That was kind of in the back of my mind.
Well, last night we talked about that the 11 Americans had been flown by the Hercules, the Royal New Zealand Air Force Hercules, successfully on a seven and a half hour flight back from McMurdo to Christchurch.
And the four, you know, very ill, injured, whatever you want to call it, Americans had been put into hospital in Christchurch.
And we had our source, one of our three sources now that we have in New Zealand reporting to us on an almost hourly basis.
One of the problems is that it's on the other side of the world.
Yeah, according to Raytheon's John Shreve, who was kind of the personnel commander of the mission, he confirmed that two of the personnel were in Christchurch Hospital in, quote, critical but stable condition and added that they were expected to pull through.
But down further in my source's email, he says there is currently some confusion within the hospital about exactly where the critical but stable patients are.
Now, how the hell do you lose critical ill patients who are in the focus of worldwide attention?
Or when you're very closely watched, monitored, because you can't take a link when people coming in and out, taking your blood, taking your temperatures, making sure that you're doing monitors, all kinds of stuff like that.
And apparently they, quote, could not find where the people were in the hospital.
So now we fast forward the film, as we used to say.
And when I walked on this evening to get my daily dose of what's going on from our sources down there, let me read for you almost word for word what came in this evening from one of my key sources.
Because this now, this tale is going from abnormal and anomalistic to bizarre.
And sorry for the guests that are getting pushed, but this is all very important stuff.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. And it just keeps rolling through the night.
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My love is up to you anytime I say There's no love that you need And I've done my best to say everything to please Tell me what is my life That's enough
Even inside of me Girl, you just don't realize what you do to me When you hold me in your arms so tight You let me know everything's alright
I'm high on the leaving That you're in love with me Richard, sweetheart's candy.
It's made it on my mind.
Girl, you got me thirsty for another couple.
Gotta fuck on you, girl.
But I don't need your family if I can't be sure of the good love when we're all alone.
Keep it up, girl.
Yeah, you turn me on.
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 25th, 2001.
We're talking about the remarkable events going on in Antarctica.
And they are remarkable, and they're about to get more remarkable.
Harkening back for just one second to Deke Richards' story, which we unwound in the first hour and a quarter or so, Neil in Cave Creek, Arizona writes, Hey, Art, remember David Adair's description of the alien engine he was allowed to examine at Area 51?
You know, I recall him describing a series of tubes that comprised part of that engine.
Sounds a lot like what Deke was describing, doesn't it?
Maybe you ought to get David Adair back on your show.
And then the other part of it was the touch of the craft itself.
I want to give you a story I don't have confirmation of at all.
Repeat, no confirmation of it, but somebody named Sentry in Kansas City flashes me, fast blast me, that BBC Radio, USA, just reported that the International Space Station's main computers are down, some sort of software problem.
That's an unconfirmed report fast blasted to me just now.
Yeah, I heard this morning that they were having problems with the computer manipulating the new Canada arm that was taken up by the current shuttle mission to be attached to the station.
Let me read verbatim from the email from one of our sources, and everybody can sort this out for themselves, but it's going in a very interesting direction.
They say, yesterday I had a friend in U.S. Intel tell me a few things.
I didn't let on what I knew, as I wanted them to tell me what they knew.
What came back is interesting, to say the least.
At first I thought they were talking about the flight that had just taken place.
That's the Hercules with the 11 Americans.
The first airlift.
But now I know they were talking about the second flight.
That's the rescue of the doctor that took place today.
I was told that on board the plane, remember it was a de Havilland Otter which seats eight people, were four to six boxes of Arctic climbing, surveillance, and communications gear.
And that this had something to do with the lake area.
Something I hadn't mentioned to them, so they weren't replying to any questions I asked about the lake.
They said that the sick doctor was just a cover, and that a four-man team was going in with the equipment and will stay the winter in Antarctica.
Apparently, one of the team is an Arctic Intel specialist from Nova Scotia, brought in special for Arctic surveillance duty.
The inference is that they found something in the lake, as they mentioned that a government UFO specialist of long standing was being transferred as part of the team.
Haven't heard a word where the other seven are, only the four that are in hospital.
The news bulletin that I saw tonight showed the flight path of the second plane and they had reached the stopover point before going on to Chile.
I did find it really odd that the second Mercy mission wasn't mentioned here whatsoever until after it was all over.
The only thing that I had heard before was the doctor now didn't want to be airlifted.
So that gives some kind of impression that there might not even be a second flight.
It's almost as if they want people to focus on the other one, meaning the one that brought out the 11 Americans yesterday, and not this second one, which of course, as we know now, did take place.
It was as if that one and not the other one that carried all the surveillance equipment and the four specialist crew, they probably didn't want much attention on that particular flight.
Well, what I'm waiting for is an email from our second source who is an investigative reporter who has connections with all the mainstream media and government officials.
Unless they are, as this source says, a cover to lead people off the trail of the real story, which is the doctor who doesn't want to come home, even though he's, quote, desperately ill.
Now, let me read on.
I didn't fill you in on this info yesterday about the drop-off or the UFO, as I wanted to see if I could corroborate it from other sources.
I never ever tell them what I want to hear.
I let them tell me.
Yesterday, I was waiting on the two other contacts to see if the stories matched.
And they do.
I've also just heard back from two of the same sources, and both have independently told me that the UFO was slash is a dragon snake type.
And they're not changing models like 57 Chevys, then it's conceivable that if you find something buried in the ice in Antarctica, it may be of the same class because it's produced by a civilization that has a totally different time scale and things do not change.
Once you get the physics down and the technology down, you don't change them to put on new tailfins.
So I called Steve Bassett, and I got him out of bed, and I said, damn it, get to the White House and find out if you can get me the First Lady's itinerary.
I did not tell him why I wanted it, didn't tell him where I thought she was.
So he calls me back in about 20 minutes and he says, you know, they don't publish for security reasons her itinerary.
Plus, it's 12.30 at night and there's nobody in the damn White House to talk to.
So we can't verify that she was in California this afternoon.
But my friend, who I've also known for like 10 years and who's not a flighty guy, and who is just awed by what he's tripped over because of the serendipity, I mean, he had no idea that I was onto this and we were going to be doing some of these updates.
And from our sources, we were told the same thing, that it's a code phrase in the industry for basically popular iodine tablets.
So that means they have a radiation problem.
Now, where would the radiation come from?
UFOs do not use nukes.
Okay, boys and girls, that's not what they do.
They have much more advanced, sophisticated physics and technology.
U.S. technology uses nukes.
And as I explained on the show last night, since the 1960s, our government, the Atomic Energy Commission, Los Alamos, you know, the big national labs, have been involved in the development of a nuclear boring device, Get This Art, which could go through solid rock at the rate of six miles per hour.
Yes, we gave you off the patent numbers last night, and they're on our website.
By the way, I want to credit Richard Sauter for doing a lot of this work in his book on underground bases, because he did a tremendous amount of work in digging out the actual documents, and now we know their time has come.
This is where they're going to be basically relevant to the issues at hand.
If they had brought a SNAP 100 reactor, are you familiar with that reactor?
That's the one that the Lewis Research Center, now renamed the John Glenn Research Center up by Cleveland, had been working on quietly for several years for a manned Mars mission.
It was the reactor program that one of the congressmen investigated in the House of Representatives back when Admiral Trulli resigned suddenly as the administrator of NASA.
This SNAP reactor would be small enough and portable enough to put in a Hercules aircraft and fly to the Antarctic to basically put together as a nuclear subterrain to melt through the ice to get at something underneath.
You put all these dots together.
We've got the NPR story on the UFO rumor in December.
We've now got my sources information that Intel people are telling her that we've got guys going in under the cover of the Take Out the Doctor story to look at a UFO, basically.
We've got radiation possible poison people being airlifted in an emergency EVAC situation to Christchurch where they have been lost in a hospital, which is not that big.
And then there was the Canadian airlift with the Otters, the Zahiland Otter, which is a light aircraft, twin-engine aircraft, today of the Doctor supposedly back to Chile.
That was managed by a company called Ken Borak Air out of Canada.
Yesterday, MSNBC ran a story, in fact it's on the MSNB website, all right, with a quote from the general manager about what they were involved in.
And I mean, this just is going to blow you away, Art.
Now, if we're dealing with people finding high technology and a crash program to send people in to nail down reconnaissance and communications during the dead of winter down there, and a major container ship following with 138 truckloads of gear, which has to leave tomorrow night at midnight, which is, by the way, one day after my birthday, which was tonight.
So when things don't fit together, it's like, what's wrong with this picture?
The most interesting thing to me, Art, is the call for salt.
Because as Linda has now corroborated, that says radiation emergency, and there are no nukes by treaty on the entire continent of Antarctica since 1993.
And I hope I'm doing that justice, his name that is.
James was raised in a small desert town, spending most of his time in nature.
In high school, he was captain of the water polo team, on the swim team, and experienced a wide variety of friends of all kinds.
He never separated himself into any one group.
College, very diverse.
Studied biology, chemistry, physics, psychology, pre-law, pre-dental, yet didn't acquire a degree or practice professionally.
Having diversity was more important than anything else to him, apparently, you know, understanding all aspects of life.
His work experience, also very diverse.
He learned all facets of the construction industry, grocery industry, real estate industry, owned his own Commercial real estate company, which developed and managed shopping centers and other large multi-million dollar projects.
He was also on the board of directors for the Chamber of Commerce.
He had a near-death experience, and that is a story unto itself.
He's been a speaker at many, many events, has appeared on ABC and Fox News, King5 Evening News magazine, Elena Smitha, I believe it is, Daylene Gates, and on and on and on.
He's been all over television.
His articles and UFO reports have been featured by Magical Blend, oh, I know that magazine, and UFO Magazine, I know that one, and are a regular feature by major UFO groups like Cause, Move On, and UFO Roundup, and so forth.
You know, it's interesting that you would mention that.
By the way, I'm getting confirmation that all three main computers on the International Space Station have failed.
We're trying to follow that story as it comes in.
But I've got a story here which ran in the Wall Street Journal.
And this has not been, I guess sure they're the mainstream press, but I had never heard about it until I got this Wall Street Journal copy of the story.
And what it basically says is that airlines like, for example, Northwest, which regularly flies over the pole on routes from Detroit to Beijing and Shanghai, they recently began doing these flights.
They've all decided to stay south of the pole and did so for about two weeks.
United Airlines, with its Hong Kong to New York route, also avoided the established flight path closest to the pole on a few flights by taking another nearby route.
Continental twice bypassed the pole on its Hong Kong flight, all of this because of solar flares.
I mean, these, you know, there's been some research, too, done at Stanford where they subjected monkeys to fluctuations in the magnetic fields and very large fluctuations.
And they exhibited behavior everything from comatose to self-mutilation.
The only thing is we've taken the step further and we've actually made contact.
And we've had some very interesting things where we've got probably over 700 eyewitnesses now that have come here and seen the craft fly over and light up on command.
You know, I must say, if I hadn't seen it, that is the video, I would think you're crackers right now.
But folks, I saw these extremely bright objects moving as no satellite could, as no airplane could, in some cases, accelerating instantly to incredible speeds.
I saw one of them land on the damn mountain.
And I'm talking about Mount Adams.
All of this was quite visible on the videotape.
However, at no point did it become more than an extremely, at least to the video camera, an extremely bright light moving in ways that aircraft couldn't move.
That's how far I can go from what I saw on the videotape.
Well, it did very well because it even caught some of the background stars, and that made it easy in some cases to get a reference for how this object was moving.
On our website, we have just a load of information there.
We have all kinds of photos that have been taken by UFO investigators and guests.
The photos were all taken by other people, and there was a reason for that.
And this extends this out further, but in telepathic contact that I've had for quite a while with these beings, they told me they didn't want me to try to prove that these pictures are real.
So it leaves me out of the loop.
I don't have to prove it because I have the people that took the pictures and their testimony to back up the events.
Well, you know, that one was taken 12 miles away, the landings, because the mountain is about 12 miles away from us.
So the sheer candle power that that object was putting out and the size of it is immense.
And it came over the very top of the mountain, and this was almost, you know, a 13,000-foot mountain.
Came over the top and started descending down and descended over some sheer cliffs and rock faces.
And it would be impossible for any kind of conventional vehicle to do anything like that.
And people that have looked at the tape, they said the sheer candle power, there was no way you could get anything up there mobile with that much candle power.
How do you think and why do you think that you and your friends, and you've got a witness there who's going to get on the phone when we want him to, have been blessed where you are with such frequent and incredible contact?
Yes, what's happened is we've risen to the occasion and there's some very strong protocols when you're dealing with these beings because they're very advanced beings and they're also very spiritually advanced as well.
Well, I hate to be the bearer of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I've got to find out.
I'm having a terrible time getting on James' site.
My guest is James Gilliland, a ufologist, and he's got a lot of photographs and moving video up there that we all want you to see, but I'm having trouble getting on the site.
So, give it a try.
How do you get there?
Everybody's asking.
How do you get there?
Go to my site, www.rfl.com.
Click on tonight's guest info.
You'll see the name right away, James Gilliman.
Go down to website, www.it looks like Ezekiel.org.
That's what you want to click on.
And then if you would be so kind, you go, of course, to the videos, you go to the photos and video clips section and see how you do.
And if you would be so kind, report back to me on FastBlast and let me know whether you're getting through or not.
I said it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Sending you there to check may cause it to stop utterly, but it was pretty well stopped for me anyway.
So if it's just me, then I want to know that.
If it's all of you, then I want to know that so that we can make some adjustments in the future, if not right now.
Anyway, we've got the sound of an extraterrestrial craft on a CD.
I've never heard it.
We'll all listen together.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 25, 2001.
The good news is one person I see out of 10 here that I've got on my screen right now did get through, watched, he says, a 31 meg MPEG file, and he says, wowzers, that's Dick in Cottage Grove, Oregon.
So he saw some video.
Most of the other people, though, are saying things like, the site is slow, it's not just you, I'm on cable.
Or, let's see, a sound is downloading now, but at about 50 bytes a second, I may hear it next week if I'm lucky.
So that gives you some idea of what's happening to your website right now.
Okay, this particular sound was recorded actually by a friend of mine by the name of Choi who was very involved with us here.
And he was a student at Portland State University.
And he came up here and made telepathic contact with them.
And he was a kung fu master, chikung master, totally fearless, very tapped in, studied at all the Eastern schools.
And when he made contact with these beings, he sat there and cried for half an hour.
And he said, this is the strongest energy he's ever felt anywhere.
And his first meeting with them when they came in and flew over real low, he had a $7,000 video camera with him, and it just sat there hanging at his side.
And I told him, I said, you think you're ready, but you're not ready yet.
Well, no, what he did was they told him there's two videos that he took for us, and one is on the other video that I'm sending you that we have available on our site.
And he took one out of a plane window where they said they were going to fly next to the plane.
I think I saw an outer limit just like this, except in that, this little being was, might have been Twilight Zone, I don't know, where this little being was pounding on the airliner's window, and it was terrifying.
This isn't quite that bad, but was anybody else, pray tell, besides your friend, seeing this, you know, like, the other passengers, the stewardess, the...
Now, the second thing he filmed was right outside of his window at Portland State University, they brought a mothership in, a great big one, and he sat there and filmed it.
Now, the film only shows a light in the sky, a very large light.
But the light actually corresponds with the sound.
And when the sound starts pulsing faster, the light pulses faster.
So it ties it in with the ship.
And the sound, too, has some very interesting characteristics to it, because when people hear it, it seems to alter them in some way, in a very good way.
And actually what we did is we had to take out the background noise because actually he was listening to you in the background interviewing Linda Moulton Howe.
We showed him how to connect with them, and that's why we call it enlightened contact with extraterrestrials because we have a technique that we can show people actually how to connect with these beings.
Well, actually, I'll tell you another mind-blower is that sound, when I listened to the Elfrad site and the Kent Steadman, both have a sound of a pulse coming from the center of the galaxy.
So I think you'd probably keep your camera in the right.
In fact, I must say, you were doing an incredible job.
On the video, folks, you could see, even though it was nighttime, it was clear enough, or there was enough light, or the camera was good enough.
You could see Mount Adams quite clearly.
In fact, when you were zoomed in, although it's a long zoom, you could see the trees, you could see the rocks above the tree line, that sort of thing on Mount Adams.
And when one landed, it kind of landed and moved around on the mountain for quite a period of time, didn't it?
And you tracked these on the ground as best you could as they moved all around the mountain, from the tree line up to above the tree line, and then down even toward the base of the mountain, right?
One came actually over the top of the mountain, which would be impossible for any kind of a vehicle.
And that's also a wilderness area.
There are no vehicles allowed, not even a helicopter.
No motorized vehicles can go up there.
And the only way you could go up there if it was a life and death, like a rescue, and you have to have a note from the governor and the head of the wilderness department here.
Well, the times that you saw the objects near Mount Adams, around Mount Adams, above Mount Adams, the objects that traveled, sometimes moving in impossible ways, sometimes accelerating in impossible ways, obviously not satellites, those objects, whatever they were.
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Okay.
Well, basically, these are, from what I can see, the same craft that we view overhead all the time, that we videotape, that make these impossible right-angle turns that they light up on request, as James was mentioning earlier.
We saw something kind of funny just last night when two of these craft were flying over and a commercial airplane was coming towards them.
And one of them made a real quick like a right angle turn like a zip.
Who knows how many thousands of miles per hour to move out of the way at the last second.
And we know that.
We were just laughing.
We're going, we know that potted must have just been blown away.
And of course, we'd love it if that potted would call into your program.
I know it's difficult to judge with altitude, but how seemingly close to the airliner did he come?
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It looked like within a thousand feet.
I mean, as far as height, within a thousand, two thousand feet.
I mean, they were, you couldn't say that they were in direct line of each other, but surely within his view.
As in, you know, I wouldn't say they were going to collide, but surely he could see this big orb just hovering there right in front of him.
You know?
It was quite close.
But I don't think there was ever a real danger of a collision.
It was more like just like a contact where they come in and hover there for a minute and say hi, they didn't move out of the way so the pilot doesn't panic.
James has had full contact, has met with these beings, which we're going to get to yet.
How about you?
How much contact have you experienced?
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The same, but with a different group of beings, actually.
But, again, working for the same cause.
I wouldn't say it was exactly the same.
It was more, my situation was more one where we were out in a vehicle and kind of contacted by a craft that came in and basically picked up the vehicle.
So that was a different group, but yet associated with what's going on here.
How many are typically, for example, on a cold night up there near Mount Adams, how many of you are there that witness these incredible things?
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Well, this depends, again, if it's a weekend and if people are coming up.
this time of year when it warms up and when we can get the word out a lot of people will come up and you know sometimes there's as many as 20 people outside there around a campfire basically the way we set it up and well it's a campfire that faces north towards the mountain which is where the activity is primarily occurring in that direction and so I would say you know it could be just me and James or it could be as many as 20 or 30 of us out there even 20 or 30.
And as I recall, they were the first group that were destroyed by the Independence Day craft, right?
Now, have you ever, as a group, wondered about that?
I mean, after all, you are inviting things in about which you don't know a great deal, or at least certainly didn't in the beginning, and still may not.
In other words, inviting these things in as you are, isn't there the slightest concern that you might not be inviting something that will be happy with you when it gets there?
I, personally, I've experienced them firsthand, so I don't have a problem with that.
And I also know these other ones are looking after me that no negative experience.
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It's an energy thing, Art.
You know, when you're connecting with a ship even, and when they light up, there's a pulse of energy that comes down that literally tingles your whole body and just it creates an excitement that I can only explain.
It's like you'd see a child with a new toy ride his bike for the first time, a six-year-old kid or whatever.
The level of excitement that goes through you and just the rush of real positive energy is just incredible.
And then the one that James filmed here about, well, I guess it was about two weeks ago now, you can even see these pulses of his energy coming off of it.
And they're hitting me directly, and I'm outside building a campfire.
Well, I see I've received about a thousand emails since we went on the air, so I've got a lot of work to do tomorrow to pour through these.
A lot of them involve Antarctica.
I just pulled one at random and printed it out on my printer.
It's from Ed.
And the subject is New Zealand Navy guard duty in Antarctica.
This is interesting.
He says, I have a friend in Auckland.
He's in the New Zealand Navy.
He recently said that he was considering a three-month tour in Antarctica.
Doing what, I ask.
Guarding the American scientists, he says.
What the F word do they need guarding from in Antarctica?
Answer, they just do.
What are they doing down there?
Can't tell you.
You know?
Yes.
And can't tell you.
So, that's a conversation that Ed had with somebody.
Why would our scientists need guarding in the Antarctic?
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Not everything is cut and dry, and I think people will look at events and say who profits, who benefits, and then they back into it with their theories, which many people would say are conspiracies.
I mean, there's no question there's a facet of government that wants to take guns off the street.
Not just assault weapons, but pure guns and want to get them out of Americans' hands.
In order to do that, you need tragedies and events like we had in Connecticut in order to create the stimulus to get the legislature and people behind that in order to say, you know what, they're right.
We don't need this.
We don't need that.
So I think when you look at that whole picture, as bizarre as it sounds, because you cannot see a conspiracy at every event, but you will look at these events and say, see, this is what they've created in order to get people to think this way.
Bottom line is people don't trust other people, and that's why they create all these things.
Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
But they to them it's the wheel, basically, that that nothing ever dies and that your body, although it lays down, it just disassembles itself back into the you know the elements.
And that the life force is actually in the atom itself, and then the spirit goes on.
So everything isn't a constant renewal, you might say.
It's just transforming.
But they said that nothing, as a soul, you go on and on and on.
And it's real important, too, is what they said.
There's a lot of us here on Earth that are more from the stars in our soul than we are from Earth.
Our souls have come here and picked up a body from these other places.
And a lot of these people are being activated right now.
My second contact, that's what that entailed, was a beam of light came right through the wall and hit me square in the chest.
And it actually left a burn mark on my chest.
And the next thing I know, I was standing aboard the ship.
And it was more of a plasma ship, this one.
It was more of a spiritual experience.
But it left a burn mark on my chest to prove that this was a real event.
You know that a lot of religious conservatives would say, you fool, don't you realize that what you're encountering isn't from anywhere else, any other star system?
What you're encountering is the devil, demonic forces.
Yeah, basically, to me, I look at the vibration of the experience, and if there's love and joy and service involved in it, I don't see how it can go wrong.
And there's just the sheer energy, because I was trained extensively in dealing with discarnate spirits and things of that level in my yoga and llama training and things like that.
So I do know how to heal and move those kind of energies on.
And I tell you what's interesting is this is mentioned throughout the Bible.
It's mentioned throughout almost every sacred text.
J.J. Hertak in the Keys of Enoch talks a lot about these kinds of contacts that are happening right here.
And as a matter of fact, I spoke at a conference with him, and he came up after I spoke, and he said, you know, thank you very much for the talk and all the photos and everything we had.
And he said, what's happening at your ranch is what he's written about.
But he said it's happening a little faster than he expected.
Yeah, it's another interview, and it has a lot of the same footage.
And what we're getting ready to do is we're going to add the landings and a couple other just phenomenal shots to the first video, and that should be available in two weeks.
I'll tell you my own experiences here is we do have black helicopters flying around here, and they do appear right after an incident might happen, like the landings, They came right after that happened.
And they're very aware of what's going on.
And we've actually filmed them, and they're in the videos.
I just grab a camera and walk out there and start filming them.
And they do have some strange hardware that I've never seen before and nobody else can identify.
We've had them fly very low here around the house, videotape the entire place here, and then drop down to about a couple feet off the ground.
And they were so close that I actually saw a mole on the pilot's face.
I was looking face to face with them, and they have not one mark on that copter.
And I just was wondering if you think that this might, they're attempting some kind of reintegration or with us, like that we're, you know, that we're the same race that's just developed differently from them, like they escaped the calamity.
And they actually attracted a lot of beings from other nations.
And they all lived together harmoniously, but then things got out of hand and technology got out of hand and they started warring on each other and they pretty much did themselves in and almost did the planet in.
But we've had several.
We're going into the fifth world right now.
This isn't the first civilization that's been here and that's why they're finding all these pyramids and temples that we can't duplicate today because those are some of the buildings of the ancient ancestors and the very ancient ones are being recycled as molten rock because the earth is always bending inward and recycling itself.
But they're smaller, and at the top there's two rings, and they're magnetic, and they're placed on highways or roads, and they attach themselves to vehicles that are tagged or random.
and they're used for tracking by the people you're talking about, by aliens.
And my second question, am I to understand that when you refer to Pleiadians, that these are from the seven sisters, the constellation, the little constellation, the Pleiades?
And again, people in the audience should know that unless you have a bass system capable of reproducing the sound, it's not going to sound like much to you because it really is all at the low end.
I mean the real low end.
Hold on, James.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
I just wanted to ask James if he's had any questions answered on other civilizations that are out there, especially those much like our own that have not quite developed to the point where they can reach warp technology and time travel and stuff, just so we know where we are in the plane of the rest of the universe.
Because there's, I don't know what they're at now.
There's something like 400 billion suns in the Milky Way galaxy.
And then they've lost count on how many billions of galaxies there are.
So it's just phenomenal the quotient for life out there.
There's just so much.
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And one more question, if I may.
Has the sound that you have recorded, has it been tested, say, through a depth of water to see what it would sound like through that and through other atmospheric mediums?
A lot of this needs more analysis, and it's brand new.
I mean, the March 10th landing is very new, and we have shipped it out to certain people, and a couple of them I don't want to mention their name because, you know, until we get the evidence back, it might change the outcome.
Yeah, and he goes, those are the gods, you know, the ancient gods that they refer to in their ancient texts.
So it's kind of, you know, in Ezekiel, he covers this quite a bit when he gives some pretty elaborate descriptions of shiny metallic disks coming out of the firmament.
And they have calves' feet that are bronze and fire and brimstone coming out from underneath them.
And they sound like a thousand rushing rivers when they land.
In Amos and Job, they talk about the Pleades and Orion and the other systems.
So it's in all the ancient texts.
And even on our site, we have quite a few frescoes that are undeniable that have pictures of Mary and Jesus and Joseph in there with UFOs painted right into the background.
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Did they explain to you, to your understanding, the concept of always was?
Yeah, they explained it as the best way they could explain to me was they said it's the one consciousness that encompasses all consciousness on all planes in all dimensions throughout the multiverses.
And that same consciousness is within the individual.
And we can expand that.
We can believe we're just a personality in a body.
Or we can expand in consciousness and merge with the one consciousness.
It seems that that goes into a gray area, no pun intended, because there are lower-level contacts, you might say.
And when you start talking about the grays, which are the little guys with the black eyes that most people hear about and talk about, that's where you have the cattle mutilation things going on and things of that nature.
And some of the gray contacts seem to be benevolent and they don't have a problem with them, and some of them seem to be malevolent.
So it looks as though that they were doing a lot of experimentation with cattle because cattle are at the top of the food chain and they can really check out the environment through the animals higher up on the food chain as far as all the contaminants and forests.
You know, they have it's sad because if you look at our society, we're pretty much run by the oil company, by the pharmaceutical companies, and you really look at it in the war industry, and the enemy of the war industry is peace, and the enemy of the pharmaceutical companies is the cure.
And the oil companies would be free energy.
And so people wonder why is our planet so messed up right now?
And to me, the answer is obvious, is that we have to start demanding that our leadership choose universal peace and brother-sisterly love and a strong reverence for life and hold them to that as individuals.
And then we'll turn this planet around.
But the way it's set up right now, anytime you do come out with a cure, if it's a cheap, inexpensive cure, you're not going to see it.
It's just going to disappear, get squashed, or banned.
Yeah, they've talked about that, and that goes back to the Grays and some other government projects and things of that nature.
So that's kind of, again, like I say, it's a gray area.
It's intertwined.
It's mixed.
And what I'm seeing now is the abduction phenomenon is taking a whole new light.
And where it was a lot of fear and experimentation and things of that nature, the majority of it is changing right now.
And it's becoming more of a teaching and learning experience and kind of a symbiotic relationship.
It's changing its nature.
There still is some negativity going on in the low-level context, but it is diminishing and being phased out.
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Okay, well, as far as physics is concerned, do they say anything about things like going forward in time, back in time, and general physics about the universe that might be interesting?
Yeah, a lot of what they're giving us right now, believe it or not, is in the crop circles.
And they're showing us where we went wrong along the line in physics, and they're doing it through sacred geometry and showing us how we have the formulas incorrect.
Actually, I'm having a person here named Nasim Hariman who's just phenomenal in this area.
And he takes you all the way through, explains still point energy, free energy, the universe and creation and the whole nine yards and talks about the crop circles and what they're trying to show us.
And when he lays his sacred geometry out and shows how you go from the tetrahedron on out in a dual universe, the way we have a dual universe, it all lays out, but we're only looking at one side of the spectrum, which is the radioactive side of the universe.
It's the Big Bang or the expanding balloon theory.
But the problem is with an expanding balloon, you also have to have contraction on the other side.
And they're saying there is no contraction.
It's like an expanding balloon.
And I love what Nassim says.
He goes, well, what about the lungs blowing it up?
So this is how you get the still point energy.
We have a generoactive side of the universe and a radioactive side.
And the still point is in the middle, and that's where that just total unlimited energy comes from.
It does trigger some very ancient knowledge, too, it seems, because I've seen people listen to that pulse and just go into trance and come back and go, what happened?
Where'd I go?
And they went into some old memories and started remembering all kinds of things.
It's a really original excuse, and I'm remembering it.
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Yes, but I'm wondering if we've had people where what had occurred during that two hours has come to them because to this point, I don't know what went on in that two hours that I lost.
Yeah, I'll tell you what happened to me, and it's been documented, too.
I was working and remodeling a house, and I had to be in Beaverton, Oregon, early in the morning.
I took off at 8 o'clock, and I made it there.
At 8.15, I was walking in the door.
And this is about an hour-plus drive, because I was going from the Dallas, Oregon.
It's about an hour and a half drive or so.
And I did the whole drive in 15 minutes.
And when I walked in the door, I just was, you know, I didn't remember any scenery, anything, and I could not figure out how I got to the off-ramp so quickly.
And so when I walked in the door, the person I was meeting there, I said, call back at the other place where I left.
And we called, and I said, hey, you're not going to believe this.
I'm in Oregon.
And they didn't believe me.
They thought I was on a cell phone.
And to this day, neither one of them believe that I was at, you know, left one house and was at the other house.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest Women.
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
And it really does include all of that, you know, from Guam in the west, the Rock, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
And I'd like to say hello to Robert Hallmark, the PD there, as program director in Radio Ease.
That's KCRS in Midland, Texas.
Welcome to Chaos.
That's what we have up here a lot of nights, and tonight, believe me, is no different.
Oh my, there's so much going on.
Just a little more station keeping business, and that is pretty good news, actually.
For those of you who follow such things, and I usually try and give out the information as it comes in, the Winter Ratings Book.
That's the Winter Ratings book, has just come out in the first major cities across the U.S. And in this case, it will include two of the three months since I've been on the air.
Just to give you some idea, we went straight up to number one in Philadelphia.
In Los Angeles, the uptick was unbelievable.
We went from a 3.8 to a 6.9 or an 81.6% increase, just giving you some idea.
The whole story is on the website.
In Chicago, hello, WLS, 12 plus, persons, all persons, 12 plus.
We went from an average quarter hour of 11.2 to 20.1.
That's a 79.5% increase.
So the whole story with all of the details, if you read about such things, is on my website right now at www.artbell.com entitled Press Release Art Bell in Ratings.
Boom.
Not exactly bad news for anybody in the radio business.
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So I'm pretty happy about that, as you might imagine.
Now, the work that I've got to do tonight is stacking up fast, and we've got a lot to do.
I've got Deke Richards on the phone.
This time, not a cell phone, but for his immediate safety in a public place on a regular phone, so he'll be easier to hear.
He told a story the other night you might not have heard because it occurred late in the program.
It's a story virtually of a second Roswell that you may never have heard before.
There was so much interest the first time he told the story, and I mean from the highest level UFO researchers, that I thought before I turned his phone number, and he's authorized me to do that, over to them, that I would bring him on the air one more time and let him tell his incredible story.
And there are a couple of things we hadn't heard before.
We'll get to those.
This is about a crash retrieval with bodies in Germany, folks.
Serious story.
Also a very serious story.
We're following what's going on at the bottom of the world.
Now, the mainstream news tells me, I see AP, a rescue plane, completed the perilous first leg of flight home from the South Pole, carrying an ailing American doctor across Antarctica before landing at a base near the coast.