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April 25, 2001 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Recovered UFO and Alien Bodies - Deek Richards and James Gilliland
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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 25th, 2001.
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, how do you do?
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
And it really does include all of that, you know, from Guam in the west, the Rock eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands south into South America.
North to the Bowl and worldwide on the Internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
Good morning, and welcome to KCRS in Midland, Texas.
550 on the dial.
Good dial position in Midland, Texas.
And I'd like to say hello to Robert Hallmark, the PD there, as Program Director in Radio Ease.
That's KCRS in Midland, Texas.
Welcome to Chaos.
That's what we have up here a lot of nights, and tonight, believe me, is no different.
Oh my, there's so much going on.
Just a little more station-keeping business, and that is pretty good news, actually.
For those of you who follow such things, I usually try and give out the information as it comes in.
The Winter Ratings Book.
That's the Winter Ratings Book.
It has just come out in the first major cities across the U.S.
and in this case it will include two of the three months since I've been on the air.
In other words, February and March.
And the news is incredible.
Really is incredible.
We have it up on the website.
I think you already know about New York.
Matt Drudge broke the news about that.
But, oh my goodness.
Just to give you some idea, we went straight up to number one in Philadelphia.
In Los Angeles, the uptick was unbelievable.
We went from a 3.8 to a 6.9, or an 81.6% increase, just giving you some idea.
The whole story is on the website.
In Chicago, on WLS, hello WLS, 12-plus persons, all persons, 12-plus, we went from an average quarter hour of 11.2 to 20.1.
That's a 79.5% increase.
So the whole story, with all of the details as you read about such things, is on my website right now at www.artbell.com, entitled Press Release, Art Bell in Ratings.
Boom!
Not exactly bad news for anybody in the radio business, so I'm pretty happy about that, as you might imagine.
Now, the work that I've got to do tonight is stacking up fast, and we've got a lot to do.
I've got Deke Richards on the phone.
This time, not a cell phone, but for his immediate safety, in a public place, on a regular phone, so he'll be easier to hear.
He told a story the other night you might not have heard, because it occurred late in the program.
It's a story, virtually, of a second Roswell.
That you may never have heard before.
There was so much interest the first time he told the story, and I mean from the highest level UFO researchers, that I thought before I turned his phone number, and he's authorized me to do that, over to them, that I would bring him on the air one more time and let him tell his incredible story.
And there are a couple things we haven't heard before.
We'll get to those.
This is about a crash retrieval with bodies in Germany, folks.
Serious story.
Also a very serious story.
We're following what's going on at the bottom of the world.
Now, the mainstream news tells me I see AP, a rescue plane, completed the perilous first leg of flight home from the South Pole, carrying an ailing American doctor across Antarctica before landing at a base near the coast.
The propeller plane carrying Dr. Ronald Chemensky, who's suffering from a gallbladder ailment, Flew from the U.S.
base at the pole to Ethira Research Station in just about eight hours.
They've landed safely, but oh, there is so much more to this story than what I'm reading here.
And this is the top story right now, and it is apparently obscuring the more important news, far more important news.
We've got a big update coming from Mr. Hoagland.
Short, but big.
In, at the beginning of the next hour, or maybe toward the end of this hour, I'm not sure yet.
And then, of course, we've got James, um, Gilliland.
I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.
Gilliland.
Gilliland?
G-I-L-L-I-L-A-N-D.
I think that's right.
Gilliland.
We'll find out.
Anyway, I slaughter names all the time.
In a moment, we'll, uh, be, we'll be right back.
And when we are, we'll have Deke Richards here.
who was in Germany when something big came down.
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tonight featuring coast-to-coast am from april twenty-fifth two thousand one
i received a three-page fax from a man named deke richards about uh... all i don't know several days ago
of an absolutely riveting facts detailing uh... uh... uh... uh... what do you want to call it a crash and a retrieval in germany but we'll call it what it is a bit before the gap area now i wanted to bring deep back on there's been deep interest from high up in the u f o community so deeper you there if i am all excellent this is all i'd like regular phone so much better than cell phones speak It does sound better, doesn't it?
Much better.
All right.
What I would like you to do now, relax, take a deep breath, and unwind this story for me.
Where did you grow up, Deke?
I grew up in Maine.
In Maine.
So you grew up in a confinement in northern Maine on a dairy farm.
So then you've always sort of been in that area.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Definitely.
Except when you went into military service.
When was that?
I went into the military.
I first originally joined when I was in high school, still on that delayed entry program.
Boy, you were really anxious, weren't you?
Well, you know, they have Armed Forces Day there at the high school, you know.
What year was that?
You remember?
1979.
1979.
Yeah, right after I graduated, they didn't waste no time sending me into boot camp.
Fort Loston Woods, Missouri, down there in Missouri.
Uh-huh.
Well, we called it Fort Loston Woods, Missouri, but that's Fort Leonard Woods, Missouri.
Well, I was in the Air Force, I was in basic training, and I know the misery, so I'd go with that.
Anyway, listen, you joined, you went through some sort of tech school, probably?
Right, I took, I went down there to, I did my AIT down there in Fort Leonard Wood as well.
That's my advanced individual training.
And what was that for?
Recovery.
Recovery.
Yes.
My MOS was a 63 Whiskey.
At that time, in 79, before they re-changed the numbers of the MOS structures back there in the late 80s, there was a 63 Whiskey.
Right.
Recovery of what?
Recovery of any wheeled vehicle.
Okay.
Alright.
Anything that might get stuck out there or crash or have trouble or whatever?
I knew exactly what I wanted to do, because up there in one of our corn fields, a guy got stuck there one night, and I had to go out there at 2 o'clock in the morning to get him out of there, because if my father found this guy in our corn field, he would have had a well full of buckshots.
Don't mess up our corn field!
Alright, what rank did you attain in the military?
E6.
Oh, E6, huh?
Yes, well, because the cutoff scores were so low, because 63 whiskey, there wasn't that many in the field.
So the cutoff scores were very low and so I made rank quick.
You were in for how long?
I was in for ten years.
Ten years.
I got out and you can say I went out on early retirement out on my own.
Okay.
You were assigned in Germany from whence to whence?
I was there from December of 79 until April of 84.
Four and a half years.
All right, now, in your job, where were you in Germany?
My first duty assignment there in Germany was with the 29th Supply and Service Company in Baumholder.
We were up there on top of the hill, right there in Wetzel-Concern.
We shared the Concern with the 48th Maintenance Company.
Okay, so you did what you normally do.
You retrieved, I take it, normally.
Right.
Being in the Supply and Service Company there, we had a laundry and bath platoon.
And they went out to the field quite often to service other military units, you know, infantry a lot that was in there.
And Bomb Holder was, well the headquarters for 8th ID was up there in Pat Kroisnach, but the 8th ID, the main contingent of the 8th ID, the 8th Infantry Division, was right there in Bomb Holder.
So our laundry platoon had to go out quite often.
And so we had a wrecker.
Before they changed to T-O-N-E, we had a wrecker.
Okay.
And, um, I was the only 63 whiskey there in the unit, and I was assigned, of course, to the record.
How long had you been in Germany when the incident, we'll call it, occurred?
Well, let's see, uh, the incident occurred during Reforger of 82, so let's say September.
So let's say, uh, almost, almost, uh, three years.
Okay.
So you had been there almost three years.
And then what sends you out on this, uh, On this retrieval, on this mission, do you get a phone call?
Okay, I'll lay it out for you.
The 29th Supply and Service Company, Duran Reforger, had gotten tasked to support the 11th ACR, which is the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment up there in Bad Hirschfeld, Germany.
And they patrol the 1K Zone, you know, no man's land, to pull the gap.
Right, pull the gap.
That's where people always speculated a war between Russia and That's where the first ground units would come across.
That's where it would all begin.
That's right.
Okay.
So, we're standing in the chow line there at 0-30.
0-600, I guess it was.
I don't remember there.
I was still outside the tent when we heard this big, huge bang and a thud.
That's right.
You could feel the vibration right underneath your feet.
And I was still outside the door of the tent, like I said, and I managed to wheel my way through the chow line.
Everybody's wondering what that was, what that was.
So I'm sitting down, I'm just about ready to dig into that wonderful Army SOS, when the first sergeant came up to me and he says, we've got to go see the CO now.
What rank were you at that point, do you recall?
E-4.
E-4, alright.
E-4 on E-5 list.
Alright, sure.
And so the first sergeant said, well obviously when the first sergeant tells you to jump, you jump.
That's right.
So I went.
And inside, when we got into the CO's tent, now you understand we were out in the field so everything was in a tent.
Right.
And so I went into the CO's tent and he's on the phone with these people I had no idea who he was on the phone there with.
The CO hung up the phone and he told me to go get my wrecker ready and stand by.
Okay.
So I went out and I fired it all up.
Check everything out, make sure everything's okay.
And I'm sure you're thinking, you're probably, were you relating it to the boom at that point, thinking, well, maybe I'm going to go get whatever it is that fell down?
Well, not at this particular junction, because there was a lot of jumping around there, because you had a lot of recovery to do, because people were getting stuck up there and everything else.
Gotcha.
All right, so no connection yet.
Right.
Go ahead.
But the first sergeant bit was unusual, but no connection yet.
Right, okay.
Okay, so then the 48th maintenance record is coming right up by me, and instead of saying the record, can I say his first name?
Yeah.
Okay, his name was Mike.
Okay.
Let me stop you.
You have a really good memory.
I take it that A call to do so.
You can remember Mike's last name, no problem.
Yes.
Mike and I are still friends today.
Alright.
Oh, he doesn't know I'm doing this.
Well, he might not.
He might not.
Alright.
Anyway, continue.
Okay.
So Mike and I were standing out there.
We're wondering what's going on.
And I says, did you tell him, did you get any work?
I just told Pierce, stand here and wait.
So two Jeeps come up and a Doosan F come up.
And then a hat on a D7 bulldozer.
From the 293rd Engineers.
So then two helicopters fly in.
From this time to this time now, it's probably about an hour and a half.
It's not too far past Chow.
I managed to grab me a piece of French toast.
Anyway, these two helicopters fly in.
And there are people jumping off that helicopter in army fatigues.
Now at that time we didn't have the BDUs.
Okay, we still had the regular straight style fatigues.
Right.
But the weird thing about these people was that they had no insignia.
No U.S.
Army, no U.S.
Air, nothing on their suits at all.
That's really weird.
No military insignia at all.
And the officer that was in the first helicopter, he comes over to us and he says, Follow us, gentlemen.
He gets into the Jeep, and we're trekking across the field.
And, because we had the hat with us, you know, which is a heavy equipment transport, at that time it was an M920, was the nomenclature.
Right.
And, you know, that can only travel 15 to 20 miles an hour when it's going cross-country.
Right.
Okay?
And, it took us about maybe a half an hour to get to where we were.
We didn't have no problem.
What kind of terrain is this?
Well, it's a field.
It's an open field at first.
Okay, and then it goes into a small wooded area.
And then once we got to the wooded area, we had no problem figuring out what we were going after because the trail this thing led was incredible.
So you were beginning to see what?
A debris trail?
Right, we were beginning to see a debris trail.
Could you make out pieces of metal at that point?
No, no pieces of metal at that particular junction because we're right there up front.
Okay, and we stopped.
And because they had to unload the bulldozer.
Okay, because I mean trees were just, I'm talking great big humongous fir trees.
I mean trees you can't get your arms around.
These things were 50 to 60 feet tall.
And they were uprooted.
It was incredible.
I mean the trees were down, I mean bang, boom, some of them were cut right in half.
Alright, but in an obvious trail?
Yes, it was an obvious trail right through the woods.
Alright.
Right through the woods.
So the bulldozer was there.
To plow up the trees, even that little D7 being the workhorse as it is, it had trouble moving some of them big fir trees.
And so the jeeps were falling first, and then it was the two wreckers, and then it was the doosan half behind the wreckers that had the personnel in it.
So we're going for about 150 yards.
And then he stops and tells us to put on our gas mask.
When anybody's ever been out in the field, you always have your web gear and your gas mask with you.
And so we had to put our gas mask on.
So we drove up another 20 yards and then he made the dismount signal and we all dismounted, got out of the wrecker and everything else.
The bulldozer is continuing up.
Now at this point, the only thing that we could see was this huge, shiny thing sticking out of the ground.
Okay, I personally call it, it looks like stainless steel.
Okay?
Alright, uh, when you say huge, how big?
Well, uh... Just a guess, I guess.
Pardon me?
Just a guess, I guess.
Well, when they put it on the flatbed, the flatbed, they had to bring in a special flatbed because of the length.
It was a 60 foot flatbed.
Right.
Okay, um, what they do, the Army's got these stretch flatbeds, where they can stretch them out because the frame moves, okay, and they had to move that out to 60 feet.
Okay.
And so the width of this thing was about 60 feet wide.
And so we're going in there.
Circular?
Well, after we got it out of the ground, I like to call it an oval triangle.
Because you take a triangle and just round off the edges.
And that's what you had, and the nose of this thing was buried right down into the dirt.
Okay, I can picture that, sure.
Incredible!
It was just buried right down into the dirt.
What, how much of it was buried?
Half of it.
Half of it, alright.
Yes, yes.
Half of it, that's a lot.
So there was a lot of that craft in the dirt.
Yes, there was.
Alright.
Yes, there was, and it was very, it was very, because at the, about the last A hundred yards or so.
I mean, it dug a trench.
It dug a trench like you went in there with a bulldozer for a couple of days and just kept on piling up dirt.
You know, the banks were... The further in you went, the higher the banks went.
I mean, there was roots all over the place and everything else.
It was just incredible, the destruction this thing did.
How many personnel on the scene at this point?
Well, at this point, with the people in the deuce and a half, and the guys in the Jeep, And Mike and I, there's about 20, and we all walked up there.
We all walked up to where this craft was.
And that's when we saw the bodies.
That's when we saw the bodies.
The bodies were completely on the left side of the craft and it was like they were trying to walk out of the craft and then they just fell dead in their tracks.
And there was a strong smell of ammonia protruding from his body.
All right.
Now, you didn't say that last time.
No, because I forgot about it.
They smelled like ammonia, huh?
Yes, they did.
There was a strong smell of ammonia.
So it's like they walked off the craft, took a couple of whiffs of atmosphere, and fell over.
I mean, I'm not saying that's why, but... Right.
Well, there were some that obviously made it further.
They weren't staggered right in a line.
Um, the furthest one away was about thirty-five to forty feet.
Uh-huh.
Okay, and the closest one was about five feet.
All right.
And, and he was trying, and he was right up against, he was right up against the bank.
And I'm assuming he, he just ran out of cash when he tried to climb up the bank, because the other ones were able to make it up the bank.
All right, so they were just scattered about how many total?
Five of them.
Five bodies.
All right.
Five of them.
Deke, hold it right there.
We'll be right back to you.
Deke Richards is my guest.
I'm Art Bell.
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Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Good morning, you're listening to a crash retrieval story from a man, Deke Richards, who was stationed in Germany.
An incident that occurred near the Fulda Gap in Germany that easily rivals Roswell.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 25th, 2001.
twenty-fifth two thousand one all right now back to deep richards uh... who's at a very
public place right now are on the road and uh... trying to get the story of doing
a damn good job of it uh... at that
Deke, uh, you're back on the air.
And so here, this craft is halfway into the earth.
You've got bodies of five of them strewn about.
And take it from there.
Well, after the all clear was given, they had to bring in a radiation team to check for radiation.
And now you're well into the day now.
You know, everything's well into the day.
They had to wait for the body bags.
We had the all clear so we could remove our gas masks.
That's how we knew the smell of ammonia.
If you got too close to these things, your throat would start to burn, your nostrils and everything.
Have you ever been close to ammonia?
Yes, I have.
Right off your feet.
That's basically what had happened.
The guys that were putting the bodies in a formation type so they could put them in the body bags still had to wear their gas masks.
What kind of guys are these?
These were the guys that were in the doosnab, just regular soldiers, sir.
Alright.
E3, E4s, you know, just guys from different units that were just sent down there to help.
Right.
And where are these people who didn't have an insignia at this point?
Well, they're the ones giving out the orders, and they're down there giving a close inspection of the craft.
Alright.
And there was three of them.
Alright.
Okay.
One of the guys was over there at the bodies, the other one was over here talking to the bulldozer driver at this time.
And the other one was over here talking to Mike and I how they wanted to do this.
You mean retrieve the craft?
Right.
So how did you go about it?
Well, first of all, the bulldozer had to dig away some of the earth and had to make a trail so the wreckers could come in there.
Now you've got to keep in mind something.
People would be saying, well, why didn't they use helicopters?
Well, you're talking about a wooded area.
You're talking about fir trees that are 50 to 60 to 70 feet high.
Gotcha.
So, you know, a chopper wouldn't be very effective.
So, we had to wait for the bulldozer to get to where we get the wreckers in position.
Meanwhile, Mike and I, we had to take our spade shovels and we had to dig underneath the craft so we could put slings underneath it.
They didn't want to use any metallic objects.
You know, like a hook or a chain or anything else like that.
They wanted us to use our canvas slings.
So they had to bring them in special, okay?
So you're waiting most of the day for the body bags and the stuff.
In other words, there was a lot of time in between, right?
Right, exactly.
Might I ask, just very briefly, What in God's name were you guys talking about when you had a little time to talk?
I mean, you must have said, what the hell are we doing?
What's there to say, Art?
I mean, you gotta take this in mind.
I am just a backwards country boy from Maine.
Grew up on a dairy farm and I'm thrust into this situation right here.
I know, but I am just... I had to repeat my name over and over and over again.
I had to help Mike.
Mike, punch me!
Make sure I'm still awake, please!
You know, and Mike was just taking it in stride.
Yeah, right, he was.
Did he punch you?
Yeah, he did!
All right, so anyway, you guys, do you know what you're dealing with?
I mean, obviously, these are not humans.
It's a spaceship.
I want to say that the official news release was an F-4 aircraft.
And I can tell you right now, this was not an F-4 aircraft.
I'm with you there.
They said something.
They said something crashed.
Like my little niece goes.
They said something crashed, but they said an F4.
Right.
Like my little niece goes.
Duh.
Duh.
Yeah.
Alright, describe as best you're able these creatures.
Okay.
Now, I wasn't no closer than four or five feet to these things.
Pretty close.
Yeah, exactly.
And one of them was laying down on it.
It was on its side, but it was face down in the dirt.
They were gray in color.
And they had big heads like a small pumpkin.
Their fingers were skinny and long.
And they had black suits on.
Black suits?
Yes, black suits.
Black skin tight suits.
Like, uh, like, like the aerobic workers in, in, in leotards.
There you go, there you go.
Like leotards, alright.
That's what I, yeah, that's the word I was trying to use before, was leotards.
You couldn't, so then, your discernment of their skin color was from seeing either their face or... Just the head.
Well, I didn't see their face.
Or, or, okay, then just the head.
The faces were down in... The heads were down in the dirt.
The heads were hairless.
Yes.
And they were gray.
Yes.
Okay.
They were, they were gray.
Alright.
They had a black leotard suit on, and the one that was on its side had this, on its chest, it had this weird writing.
I mean, you know, I'm familiar with the Cyrillic alphabet, you know, the Russian alphabet, you know, the backwards letters, you know, you see hieroglyphics and everything else, but this resembled nothing I've ever seen.
And it just looked like some kid had drew a design on there and in the story.
You mean sort of like just a scribble design?
Yeah, well...
I'm sorry, I don't have the vocabulary to put this into words.
Still to this day, it upsets me when I speak about the Bible.
You're freaking me out.
Could you take a piece of paper and, in your mind's eye, could you draw something that would approximate it?
I could.
I could.
Because I've seen it every day for the last 20 years.
I hear you.
Alright.
All right, so you went busy trying to get straps.
Right, right.
So the other deuce and a half had come in.
He had finally come in with the body bags.
And he had these chests with him, too.
And they were metal coffins, okay?
They were the metal coffins that they shipped.
Right.
And they had ice, so we had to go up there and help them because they had our straps in there, too.
So that's when I got close to the bodies.
Alright.
When I was unloading the deuce and a half and that's when I was right there with the bodies.
Right.
And that's when they had them all in the formation and everything else.
Then I got out of there.
Then I got out of there because I couldn't stand the ammonia and I didn't want to put that damn gas mask on.
Yep.
Back on.
Alright, so you're out of there.
You're back to your job.
Yes, and I'm back at my job.
I got the slings.
Meanwhile, the guys are putting the bodies in ice and filling them up with ice.
They put them on the deuce and a half and off the deuce and a half went.
And then Mike and I, we grabbed our shovels and we were figuring out, you know, because that's our MOS, we're figuring out how are we going to do this.
Well, obviously we couldn't move it.
The thing that we were going to have to do is just lift it up, turn it so the flatbed could back right underneath it and put it onto the flatbed.
That was the game plan.
So we had to dig underneath the craft so we could put the sling underneath there.
You know, both Mike and I, we've got spade shells and we're by ourselves.
And so the guys come over and they called it a day for this day.
They bought in tents.
They weren't going to let nobody leave.
And they called in other guys and they set up tents and everything else for us.
They bought in chow and the whole nine yards and we had to spend the night in a tent there too.
We weren't allowed to go back to our garrison.
We weren't allowed to do nothing except just stay right there.
So until that job was done, that's where you were?
Exactly.
Exactly.
And all the time in the tent, there's three of us in that one tent.
We were fortunate because we had a smaller tent and they brought in the cots and we didn't say nothing to nobody.
We were just sitting in there looking at each other, just wondering, what's going on here?
Where are we?
So anyway, the next day, we're out there, and we finally got enough dug underneath there where we could put the sling on each side of these things, and we positioned the wreckers out.
One nice thing about the 5-ton wrecker, it's very, very versatile.
It's got many, many purposes, many uses.
And by using boom supports and everything else, you drastically increase the capacity of the boom winch.
This would be a first-time use, though, I have a feeling.
A first-time use?
Yeah.
Did you pick one of these up?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, I remember when you told the story before, you talked about some tubes, and you said when you got down low, when you were digging in, you actually got to sort of look into a part of the craft that... Okay, now the left side, when you're looking at it from behind, the left side, which is the same place where the people came out, okay?
Right.
You can call them extra treasures, I just call them people.
And, anyway, there was these five, I'd say about five inch in diameter tubes coming out of the side because there was a gash in there, and I'm just assuming, my own personal assumption, that this happened when it hit them big fir trees.
Well, the gash in the craft, how big was that?
Oh, it went down into the dirt, obviously, but the part that was shown was about 20 feet.
Twenty feet.
Plenty big enough for these beings to come out, or... Well, no, the beings didn't come out of the cache.
Oh, they didn't?
No, the beings come out of a door.
A door.
Alright, so this was a separate opening, unintended opening, we'll say.
Yes, because the trees... I'm just assuming that the trees caused it.
Okay, and there was no burn marks or nothing like that.
Alright, and you did get one look sort of up in there at one point?
Well, the...
You literally had to lay down on the ground, my ear had to touch the dirt to look up inside.
And all I could see from where I was, from my vantage point, because most of the gas was down inside the dirt, but the tubes were coming out of the dirt, out of the craft, and it had this green ooze coming out of them, and it wasn't gushing out of there like a fire hose, it was just dripping out of there.
Anything, did it smell of anything?
No, it didn't smell, but it was very luminescent at night.
You could see the trail of it coming back in from about 150 yards out there.
You could just see where it had touched one of the trees, and it was dripping off one of the trees.
That's very interesting, yes, yes.
So, excuse me.
So, the tubes were out there, and I mean, they weren't any kind of order or anything like that.
They were all over the place.
They were all over the place, but what I could see from up inside, now personally with my mechanical background and my knowledge of mechanics, I personally thought that this was the engine room.
And what you could see up inside there was this great big humongous, I mean, because it was dark inside there, too.
You've got to understand that.
And I didn't shine my flashlight up underneath there because I was in cramped quarters, okay?
Because my ear was right down into the dirt when I'm taking one eye and being able to look up inside this.
With the tubes out, and... So you can really barely see up into it?
Right, right.
But what I could see, it was huge.
Any details you were able to make out at all?
Was it just a giant empty room?
No, well, no, it wasn't empty.
I mean, there was plainly machinery in there.
Some kind of machinery.
That's what I'm saying, that there was some kind of machinery in there.
See, I'm lost for my vocabulary again.
That's alright.
No grinding gears or anything like that.
It looked like just an engine room.
Just an engine room with a face on it.
What I'm talking about by the face, a bulkhead maybe.
There you go, a bulkhead.
And then at the edge of the bulkhead there was this machinery.
And it was like I've never seen nothing like this before in my whole entire life.
I mean, you know, it didn't resemble a 454 Chevy.
I'm trying to keep my sense of humor.
Yeah, please do.
That's fine.
So, anyway, your main job, you obviously were able, finally, to lift this thing all the way out.
Right, right.
And obviously, at that point, you'd be able to see very clearly its shape, right?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Because, meanwhile, while we're out there, Guys with brooms on top of this thing trying to dig off the dirt.
And one thing I didn't mention before too is that whenever you hit this thing with a shovel.
Yes.
I mean, you know, just because I did that a couple of times.
Right.
You know, it would have a nick in it.
Then after you bring the shovel back down, the nick would be gone.
Really?
The nick would be totally gone.
I mean, like I said, it's very, very flexible.
It sort of reshaped itself.
It sort of reshaped itself.
Now, I didn't want to say that, but... Again, that's right.
I don't mind.
The shape of the craft, though, when you had it fully up and you could really take a good look at it as it was going to the flatbed, you would, again, describe it as a triangle.
As a triangle.
But with... It was rounded edges.
Rounded edges.
Right.
It was an oval triangle.
Okay.
It was an oval with a point.
Okay, I can draw what I'm able to.
You took some silly putty and rolled it up and made yourself an oval and then took one end and tried to stretch that out a little bit.
What would you have?
You'd have an oval triangle.
That's right.
With rounded edges.
There you go.
I just did it myself and I see exactly what it was like.
Right.
And it was, oh, I'd say probably ten feet tall.
Ten feet tall at its tallest point.
Uh-huh.
And it narrowed down to about six feet tall in the nose.
All right, you've already given me one very unusual thing about its makeup.
It's metal or whatever it was.
It was shiny.
And it was shiny.
Shiny like stainless steel.
I mean, there was no burn marks or anything on it, but it was shiny like stainless steel.
That's my word, Art.
Had there been any apparent fire?
No.
No fire?
There was no burn marks on it whatsoever.
I mean, there wasn't a scratch on this thing.
Except for the gas that was on the side where the tubes were coming out.
And that's where some of the metal... Okay, so there must have been some debris there.
Yes, there was.
Yes, there was.
About the last 80 to 50 yards or so, there was debris from the first or second tree.
That's why I'm assuming that the gas happened because of the trees.
Because, if you know anything about fir trees, they're going to stand there like an oak.
What happened to the...
To the smaller pieces of metal.
Well, that's when the troops were out there picking them up.
They were doing police call.
One of the, uh, one of the, uh, can I call them government gurus?
If you wish.
Okay.
One of the government gurus was out there instructing them to pick up every little piece, no matter how minute, how many little pieces they had, uh, little, little trash bags to put them in.
I mean to say the least.
And they had probably 20 guys out there.
It looked like they had a whole platoon out there picking up these little bitty pieces and putting them into these bags.
And he said, no pieces unleft.
So anyway, Mike and I, we got the craft up and we had to spin it around.
So one of us had to drop our wrecker.
One of us had to drop our end after we got it out of the dirt and after they got all the dirt off of it and everything else.
I had to take my wrecker around with the sling still hooked up and I spun it around.
Mike came around with his boom and then he lifted it up and so we're sitting there and then the flatbed backed right underneath it and then we dropped it right down onto the flatbed and it took them at least two hours to tarp this thing because it was definitely oversized for the flatbed and they had to wait for I'm assuming that they had to wait for Clarence and everything else to take it down the Autobahn.
That was the main clear thing that they were going to do.
They had to go right down the Autobahn?
Oh, well, that's what I'm assuming.
They had to take it down the Autobahn.
How else were they going to get it down wherever they were taking it to?
I've seen a lot of weird stuff on the interstates.
It's always covered with tarp, and you always go, oh man, I wonder what that is.
They had to build with two-by-fours something to take away the silhouette of this thing.
I mean, the tarp was not on the craft.
It was on two-by-fours.
They were constructing something to take away the silhouette.
So they could transport it down the highway.
And we're there during this whole thing because now we're in the third day by the time this is all going on and everything else.
And they were waiting for darkness to take that thing out of there.
I mean, they took it out into the field and they had an empty perimeter around this whole area.
And they didn't want to work at night because they didn't want to draw attention to anything.
Hey, I'm just assuming that, you know.
Hey, I was in the military.
I know these things.
And so anyway, that was a stupid statement.
Don't worry about it.
Just let the story unwind the way it's going to unwind.
So anyway, at the end of the third day, they brought in a sanitation team.
Okay, now these were, I'm assuming, they're government gurus too.
These guys are specialists.
You know, they brought these all in.
They got two bulldozers in there now.
They're covered in the hole.
They're taking the trees away.
I mean, they cut them up.
You know, with chainsaws.
They're taking the trees away.
And duck trucks.
I mean, they're just sanitizing this whole area.
Were there officers of rank there?
Yes, there were officers there.
Of what rank?
One was a full bird colonel.
Full bird.
One was a full bird colonel.
And he was directing matters.
He was directing the matter, and he was in and out.
He was also... He was in and out.
Alright.
Hold it right there, Deke.
Can you hold on?
Sure.
Alright.
Hold on.
All my guests are going to get pushed a little bit, so everybody just hang in there.
I want to get this story start to finish very carefully, and that's what we're doing right now.
Deke Richards is telling you about something as big as Roswell, except it happened in Germany.
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We're hearing a story from Deke Richards, which if true, would rival the Roswell crash in almost every respect.
Except we'd have an awful lot of witnesses and we're going to get to that and a lot more with Deke in a moment.
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We have an update coming from Richard C. Hoagland on the incredible story ongoing from the Antarctic, coming up immediately following this right now.
And then, of course, James Gilliland, and I know I'm saying that wrong, after that.
So we're trying to get it all done.
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This is important.
All right, Deke, you're back on the air again.
Hello, Mark.
Hi.
All right, Deke, a few questions for you.
Is there any way that you could approximate or guess the weight of the craft?
Well, the flatbed trailer that they bought in there was a tri-axle, and the wreckers were groaning, even under the stilts.
So, and even with the boom support on there and everything else, it increases the wrecker weight to about 15,000 pounds each.
Okay.
So with both wreckers groaning and just, this is just a gas art.
Right.
I would say anywhere between 20 to 30,000 pounds.
All right, thanks.
That's all I wanted was a guess.
Um, some people are saying, well, if you hit it with a shovel and it sort of repaired itself or resealed itself.
Why was the gas in there?
That's right.
The big hole.
Well, maybe, maybe the gas was too big to repair itself because it tore away some of the matter.
I never tore away none of the matter.
You would just make an indentation.
Where you hit it with a shovel.
You know when you're taking a small spade and thrusting it up.
Because you don't understand.
I'm dealing with forest topsoil.
There's a lot of roots and everything else.
So I've got to thrust it down in there with my boot and everything else.
So when I'm thrusting it up underneath there, obviously it's going to make a mark there on the belly side of the craft.
Were there any German authorities on the site?
None.
None.
So this was all American then, all the way?
It was all military.
They had an MP.
They had MPs there.
And about this time, after everything was coming down... Was there anybody there recording this on film or any other media?
The government guru guy was.
So there was a recording?
Yes, there was.
They were taking pictures and everything.
I've done a number of questions.
We've got to eventually close this out, but a number of questions for you.
Why, after all these years, Deke, an obvious question, are you deciding to tell this story now?
Well, Art, I've lived with this for 20 years.
And you live with something like this for 20 years.
You want to get it done.
Get it off your chest.
But this story needs to be told.
And I've been out of the military now since 89.
And, you know, you hear a lot of things and everything about the government secrecy and everything else.
Look, we have to have secrecy.
We have to have it for national security related issues.
But something like this, it needs to be told.
They're out there.
All right.
Once this entire operation was concluded, was everybody rounded up?
Yes, everybody was rounded up.
We had to drive back to the garrison area.
We weren't allowed to speak to anybody.
We were put onto a bus out of the field area and shipped up the hill to the 11th ACR concern, where they had the barracks and everything.
We were put into one barracks.
It was the 1st and the 13th.
We were on the first floor.
They put us all in there.
When the full bird colonel came walking in, And, uh, this was our debriefing.
And, well, if you want to call it debriefing, what it was, it was a riot act.
Okay, what did they say to you?
Right, well, the colonel had come up there and, um, he paused for a moment and he had said, okay, gentlemen, he said, uh, what you've seen here today is not to be spoke of outside this room.
You have to speak of it amongst yourselves to nothing or nobody, not even your wives,
not even your grandchildren.
He says to do so you would be subject to UCMJ, which is the Uniform Code of Military Justice,
and I would not hesitate to put one of you away for 20 to 30 years in Fort Leavenworth.
While he is doing that, the government gurus are putting...
I didn't mention this either, we had to sign a security agreement.
And then he goes on with this...
Did you read what you signed?
I didn't.
He just said, sign them.
He told us this was a security agreement with the United States government, and I'm just summarizing it for you.
And he said, quote, this is on a need-to-know basis, gentlemen, and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nobody in this room, or outside this room, that has a need-to-know basis.
In other words, just keep your mouth shut, sign the paper, send them forward.
All right.
Again, give me the exact date of this crash and the subsequent three-day retreat.
Well, the date is hard to put down.
It happened in late September during Reforger.
Late September.
Because we had been out there in the field for about two weeks right after this had happened.
So I would say... So that was in late September of 1982 during Reforger.
Yes.
That'll pin it down pretty well.
Right.
Do you remember how far into Reforger it was?
Yeah, it was about, I'd say, a good ten days.
Right in the thick of things.
That'll nail it down pretty well.
Right in the thick of things or Reforger.
Alright, so you signed the security agreement.
Everybody properly had the hell scared out of them, I guess.
Yeah, at that time, you know, I'm still a kid.
And, you know, when this Fulbright Colonel stands up there, and he's telling you this, and he's speaking in a real firm voice when he's saying this, and you don't tell nobody.
Yes.
And, um, that was basically it.
I've never spoken of the incident until I wrote it down on paper and faxed it to you.
All right, you, yeah, what a fax.
Then, luckily, you got through, and then, finally, we've connected with you here on the landline.
All right.
A couple of additional things.
You've kept in contact and still are in contact with your friend, Mike?
Yes, I am.
So he's available to back up what you say, or not?
Well, he doesn't know I'm doing this right now.
Well, no, I realize that, but I mean, if you were confronted, let's say, you think he would back up your story, or he would hold to his security agreement?
Well, I own a few trolley horses.
I could threaten him with that.
All right.
How many total people would you say, beginning to end, had knowledge of this, direct knowledge, having seen the craft?
50 to 60 people.
How many?
50 to 60.
50 to 60.
Right.
50 to 60, and most of them were just ordinary soldiers.
We would like these people to get in touch.
I'm not counting the government gurus and the officers.
Well, they're less likely to talk to us.
But 50 to 60 other Either enlisted or officers.
Right, right.
Well, they were all soldiers.
The 50th and 60th were all soldiers.
They were from various companies, the 293rd, the 48th, and the 29th.
And our sister company was there too, the 24th, the plant service.
Alright, so if you were to appeal right now, which is what you can do, to these various groups, you would appeal to what groups?
I would like anybody out there who hears this appeal to email me, Art Bell, at mindspring dot com a r t b l l at mindspring dot com
and who would you appeal to to send me an email to back up your story
i would appeal to anybody that was in the twenty nine supply and service
company station a bomb holder
anybody in the twenty four supply and service company out of people
anybody in the two ninety third combat engineers
and anybody in the forty eight maintenance and anybody that was in the tent that morning that heard
that that hurt that loud bang in the thud
and um...
anybody that knows about this please contact our
Alright.
Please.
Alright.
I want to additionally inform you that Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI and a man named Dr. Stanton Friedman, who's a nuclear physicist into this sort of thing, both would like to contact you.
And also Linda Moulton-Howe.
Linda Moulton-Howe as well.
You may have heard her on my show.
They all would like to speak to you.
And I have, of course, your cell phone.
So with your permission, I will... Well, currently, right now, I'm with the Department of the Interior and the State of Maine, and I'm going down to North Carolina to get some largemouth bass to introduce them to some of the lakes up there.
Because we have a very poor largemouth bass.
Oh, so that's the kind... So when I get home, I mean, they can call me on my home phone number, and I just got that phone hooked up.
But I do have your cell number.
Yes, sir, yes.
That would be all right, too, right?
Yes, yes.
Yes, you most certainly may.
I wanted to be sure I had permission.
Now, you just identified where you work now.
That was up to you.
You said it.
That's not a problem.
I don't care.
I mean, it's...
you know if they wanted to figure out all they would have to do is just go back to my
military record find my address in Maine and go see my folks and my folks would say oh
he works for the Department of the Interior of Maine.
So what do you think the repercussions of what you're doing right now might be?
I don't know.
I don't really know and I'll tell you the truth I mean twenty years I mean.
How old are you now?
Thirty nine.
I'm sorry?
Well thirty nine May first.
Thirty nine May first.
at the end of the world coming one year away there's no
Ha ha ha!
Forty!
Forty on that one.
Oh, look, you'll do alright.
You'll make it.
So, everything you've told me, is there anything that I've missed that was important or critical?
No, no, no.
Everything... I just wanted to remind you about the ammonia.
I forgot to tell you about the gas masks and the ammonia.
I mean, I could have wrote you a seven-page fax.
With everything.
It was sufficient, believe me, to get me interested.
All right, my friend.
I'm going to pass this on to people who know how to investigate this sort of thing, and they'll be in touch with you, and they'll be very nice.
They're not Nazi Inquisitors, so they'll just ask you some questions, and they'll do it with the background of having heard all of this tonight.
All right?
One more thing, Art.
Yes, Steve?
You guys out there that know about this, Please, please contact Art.
If anything, just do it for a fellow soldier.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Deke.
Good night.
Talk to you later, Art.
Holy smokes.
So, what do you say to all that?
Well, now it's going to get turned over to the big boys and girls, and we'll see where it goes.
That was a lot of detail.
That was a lot of accuracy.
And I think I'd leave the man.
I don't know.
It's like everything else.
We submit it to you, the listener, and in this case, others.
And we'll see where it goes.
But I think you just heard a very important story.
Now we're going to switch gears.
We're going to be doing a lot of that gear switching tonight.
And we're going to get an update on what's going on down at the bottom of the world.
It sure is a hell of a mixed up situation.
In Antarctica.
One story after another, one story contradicting another, even from the websites that are down there, it's incredibly confusing.
The lead story, nationally, right now, is about the rescue of the doctor in Antarctica, who, I recall Richard saying, didn't particularly want to be rescued at all.
Here, once again, is Richard C. Hoagland, continuing with the story in Antarctica.
What's going on there?
Well, good evening, Art.
It is going to be an intriguing evening, I think.
Already, huh?
Your last guest was kind of an interesting segue to this, because it's now turned into, hold on to your hats, guys, a possible UFO story.
Remember the story I told you that's on NPR, on the NPR website, from Richard Harris, who was a science correspondent for NPR?
He was at McMurdo in December of 2000, which is just a couple, three months ago.
And there was this big rumor going around the base that they were going to have a major UFO landing sometime imminent.
And he even found a poster.
Well, while he was there, apparently... I'm sorry, Richard, what year was this?
December of 2000.
2000, alright.
Just before the turn of 2001.
Right.
So it's a couple of months ago.
Which is kind of the wind-up of summer down there.
You know, the summer-fall season ends in February, so...
This was, you know, coming to a close of another season.
How does a rumor... I guess it's silly to ask this question, because you never know how rumors get started, but I mean, this is a big one of UFOs that's going to land right here in the Antarctic.
Well, you know what's curious is that Harris Report says that the news itself, on base, is controlled.
There is no free press.
It is government.
It is U.S.
government running the place.
This is a town With 1,200 people during the summer, 85 buildings, you know, hangars, and astrophysical observatories, and chem labs, and people looking at penguins, and things like that.
So it's a major small town, but it's run by the National Science Foundation through Raytheon Polar Services.
And Harris made a point to say that the official news, you know, what they see on their local TV, What they see on their webcast, what they see in their little hand-printed newspaper is all government-controlled.
So he said that the major source of news for people is the rumor mill, which is not controlled.
And then he goes out of his way to point up this story of a major UFO landing over the biggest base in Antarctica sometime in December.
And then he said he found this poster, which I wish he'd sent me a copy because I'd like to see what it looked like, And then when they found the culprit, when the authorities, you know, found the culprit, what do they do?
They deported the guy back to New Zealand!
They kicked him off the continent!
Yeah, he actually... They deported him, huh?
Yeah.
And this is on the official NPR website.
I mean, I used to do things for National Public Radio.
I have friends that are in high places at NPR, and NPR doesn't kind of kid around.
So, why was this rumor going around?
That was kind of in the back of my mind.
Well, last night we talked about that the 11 Americans have been flown by the Hercules, the Royal New Zealand Air Force Hercules, successfully on a seven and a half hour flight back from McMurdo to Christchurch, and the four, you know, very ill, injured, whatever you want to call it, Americans, have been put into hospital in Christchurch, and we had our source, one of our three sources now that we have in New Zealand reporting to us on an almost hourly basis, One of the problems is that it's the other side of the world.
I know.
So when we're awake, they're asleep, and when we're asleep, they're awake.
And that's been one of the interesting things to get used to here.
Anyway, the hospital reported last night that they had lost their critically ill patients.
Did they actually report that?
That is a direct quote.
In fact, let me go back in my emails here and pull up the proper email from One of our key sources.
These were two of the personnel, you reported last night, that were critically ill but stable.
Yeah, according to Raytheon's John Shreve, who is kind of the personnel commander of the mission, he confirmed that two of the personnel were in Christchurch Hospital in, quote, critical but stable condition, and added that they were expected to pull through.
But, down further in my source's email, he says, there is currently some confusion within the hospital about exactly where the critical but stable patients are.
Now how the hell do you lose You know, critical ill patients who are on the focus of worldwide attention.
Don't you normally have critically ill patients in critical care wards?
Probably in the, what do they call that, the critical care facility.
I was in one of those.
Yes, you were.
Or when you're very closely watched, monitored.
Oh, absolutely.
You can't take a wink when people are coming in and out, taking your blood.
Taking your temperatures, you know, making monitors and all kinds of stuff like that.
And apparently they, quote, could not find where these people were in the hospital.
Or Richard, or they were taken to a place of isolation.
Exactly.
So now we fast forward the film, as we used to say, and when I, you know, logged on this evening to get my daily dose of what's going on from our sources down there, let me read for you, almost word for word, what came in this evening from one of my key sources.
Because this now, this tale is going from abnormal and anomalistic to bizarre.
Alright, we're not going to have time before the break, so... Would you like that cliffhanger?
I guess they've got the doctor out, right?
The doctor was extracted.
I love that term.
Extracted, yes.
And you think that the doctor's removal was more or less a cover for what else is going on, don't you?
That's exactly what this email is going to be telling us when we come back from the other side of the break.
And the important thing is that it's being reported in New Zealand that the doctor don't want to go.
I mean, here's a guy supposedly desperately ill with pancreatitis.
He passed Goldstone.
My grandmother, when we were, you know, all his kids growing up, She had Gulfstones, and believe me, everybody who's ever had a relative with them, it's a nightmare.
It's a real serious thing.
Awful.
Alright, understood.
Richard, hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
And sorry for the guests that are getting pushed, but this is all very important stuff.
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You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 25th, 2001.
Richard C. Hoagland is here.
We're talking about the remarkable events going on in Antarctica.
And they are remarkable, and they're about to get more remarkable.
Harkening back for just one second to Deke Richard's story, which we unwound in the first hour and a quarter or so, Neil in Cave Creek, Arizona writes, Hey Art, remember David Adair's description of the alien engine he was allowed to examine at Area 51?
You know, I recall him describing a series of tubes that comprise part of that engine.
Sounds a lot like what Deke was describing, doesn't it?
Maybe you ought to get David Adair back on your show.
And then the other part of it was the touch of the craft itself.
Remember what David Adair said about that?
We'll be right back.
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I want to give you a story I wrote.
I don't have confirmation of it all.
Repeat, no confirmation of it, but somebody named Sentry in Kansas City flashes me, fast blasts me, that BBC Radio USA just reported that the International Space Station's main computers are down, some sort of software problem.
That's an unconfirmed report fast blasted to me just now.
Once again, Richard C. Hoagland.
Richard?
Yeah, I heard this morning that they were having problems with the computer manipulating the new Canada arm that was taken up by the current shuttle mission to be attached to the station.
Oh?
So that could have been a galloping software virus.
One never knows.
One never knows.
Anyway, back to New Zealand.
This just gets squirrelier and squirrelier.
Let me read verbatim from the email from one of our sources, and everybody can sort this out for themselves, but it's going in a very interesting direction.
Okay.
They say.
Yesterday, I had a friend in U.S.
Intel tell me a few things.
I didn't let on what I knew, as I wanted them to tell me what they knew.
What came back is interesting, to say the least.
At first, I thought they were talking about the flight that had just taken place.
That's the Hercules with the 11 Americans.
The first airlift.
But now, I know they were talking about the second flight.
That's the rescue of the doctor that took place today.
I was told that on board the plane, remember it was a de Havilland Otter which seats eight people, were four to six boxes of Arctic climbing, surveillance, and communications gear.
And that this had something to do with the lake area.
Something I hadn't mentioned to them, so they weren't replying to any questions I asked about the lake.
They said that the sick doctor was just a cover.
And that a four-man team was going in with the equipment and will stay the winter in Antarctica.
Apparently one of the team is an Arctic intel specialist from Nova Scotia.
Brought in special for Arctic surveillance duty.
The inference is that they found something in the lake.
As they mentioned that a government UFO specialist of long-standing was being transferred as part of the team.
God, this is beginning to sound like The Thing, Richard.
Doesn't it?
Yes, it sounds like The Thing.
A combination of The Thing, 2001, and, uh, how many... Oh, well, of course, the X-Files movie.
Okay, now let me go to her second email, because this is important.
This, uh, this now puts a few, you know, dots on some I's and some crosses on some T's.
Has anybody found the critically ill patients yet?
Okay, um, there has been, this is from the email, haven't heard a word where the other seven are, only the four that are in hospital.
The news bulletin that I saw tonight showed the flight path of the second plane and they had reached the stopover point before going on to Chile.
I did find it really odd that the second Mercy mission wasn't mentioned here whatsoever until after it was all over.
The only thing that I had heard before was the doctor now didn't want to be airlifted.
So that gives some kind of impression that there might not even be a second flight.
It's almost as if they want people to focus on the other one, meaning the one that brought out the 11 Americans yesterday?
Yes.
And not this second one, which of course, as we know now, did take place.
It was as if that one and not the other one that carried all the surveillance equipment and the four specialist crew They probably didn't want much attention on that particular flight.
Alright, but I go back to these patients.
We still actually don't know where these critical patients are?
Nope.
There has been no further word on if the hospital has spoken on them.
How in God's name can they just disappear?
Well, what I'm waiting for is an email from our second source, who is an investigative reporter.
Who has connections with all the mainstream media, and government officials.
I mean, all of this was reported, even though it was all mixed up, it was reported relentlessly about these critically ill people.
You just don't lose critically ill people!
Exactly.
You don't lose critically ill people.
Unless they are, as this source says, a cover to lead people off the trail of the real story, which is the doctor who doesn't want to come home.
Even though he's, quote, desperately ill.
Now, let me read on.
I didn't fill you in on this info yesterday about the drop-off or the UFOs.
I wanted to see if I could corroborate it from other sources.
I never, ever tell them what I want to hear.
I let them tell me.
Yesterday I was waiting on the two other contacts to see if the stories matched.
And they do.
I've also just heard back from two of the same sources.
And both have independently told me that the UFO was slash is a dragon snake type.
Now, do you know what the hell that means?
Uh, no, Richard.
I don't have any idea.
No, that's what this person is asking me.
I see.
I'm sure I've heard that name somewhere before, but I have to do a search to see if I can find a reference, as I can't recall anything specific.
They said it drives on the ice and slides right through it.
Does that make any sense?
That's all I know for now.
One of the sources, sure as heck, didn't want to mention Dragon Snake, but I went on and on, and finally he told me.
That also matches what the other one told me, so either they're both lying, or they're both right.
So we have escalated now to where we're dealing with a possible circular artifact.
Now the question, of course, I have is, is it present?
Is it current?
Or is it ancient?
Do you understand where I'm going with that?
Well, of course.
Who wouldn't know?
In other words, we are seeing things in our skies now.
You just had a man on describing something that crashed 20 years ago.
Yes.
If we're dealing with a very long-term, how should I say, surveillance program?
That would do.
And they're not changing models like 57 Chevys?
Then it's conceivable that if you find something buried in the ice in Antarctica, it may be of the same class Because it's produced by a civilization that has a totally different time scale, and things do not change.
Once you get the physics down and the technology down, you don't change them to put on new tail fins.
How reliable do you consider this information to be?
Well, let me give you now the second, you know, as Paul Harvey used to say, the rest of the story.
Sure.
Remember the other night I talked to you about a source that had just sent me an email from here in the States that's based in the San Diego area?
Yes.
And said that he had a neighbor who was involved in the shipment of 20-foot crates to Miramar?
Right.
For the Antarctic?
Right.
We've got new news on that front.
Go.
Okay.
And this source is a little more volatile, so bear with us.
He says, Hi Richard.
Oh my God!
Sounds like, what's his name on the guy from Hawaii?
Just talk to my neighbor.
This could be bigger than you think.
Are you ready for this?
He is taking equipment, a lot of equipment, a hundred and thirty-eight truckloads of equipment.
Let me repeat that.
A hundred and thirty-eight truckloads of equipment from Miramar to a place north by Oxnard, to a place called Port Hunami, spelled H-U-N-A-M-I.
That would be Port Hueneme.
Hueneme.
Thank you, Art.
They are being loaded onto a container ship that is to ship out at midnight, 426 2001 to Antarctica.
He said the pressure is on because they have to finish the loads to the ship by this afternoon.
Richard, what are they moving a city of supplies over there for?
Thought you'd like to know.
Then he followed up, a few minutes later, with this one.
Alright?
Alright.
And this one I tried to verify, well you'll see how I tried to verify it, and we can't verify it yet, but we are We're ongoing in that process.
I was in such a hurry I almost forgot the most important thing.
The First Lady was there today, in a White House chopper, to do some kind of send-off.
I'm thinking better not to mention where this came from, my friend, the neighbor, as I do not want to get him in trouble.
Thanks again.
The First Lady was there?
The First Lady.
So I called Steve Bassett, And I got him out of bed, and I said, damn it, get to the White House and find out if you can get me the First Lady's itinerary.
I did not tell him why I wanted it.
I didn't tell him where I thought she was.
I bet he loved that.
Oh, he did love that.
So he calls me back in about 20 minutes, and he says, you know, they don't publish for security reasons her itinerary.
Plus, it's 1230 at night, and there's no one in the damn White House to talk to.
So we can't verify that she was in California this afternoon.
But my friend, who I've also known for like 10 years, and who's not a flighty guy, And who is just awed by what he's tripped over because of the serendipity.
I mean, he had no idea that I was on to this and we were going to be doing some of these updates.
Yes.
And he just happens to be next to a guy who's heavily involved.
I mean, that's what you used to call synchronicities and which we call hyperdimensional resonance.
Okay, Richard.
Let's go over the things we do know.
They told the second doctor to bring down salt.
Fill your pockets with salt.
You interpret that now to mean, probably, radiation?
Well, one of your emailers said that iodized salt is a good substitute for iodine tablets if you are involved in a radiation scenario.
You know who else called me today?
Linda Moulton Halcold called me and she said, you know, fill your pockets with salt would definitely be a code phrase for a radiation problem.
Fascinating.
Linda said that.
She said, quoting, in the nuclear industry, Linda said.
Exactly.
Wonderful, Linda.
Okay.
Because we have a post up tonight with an update with some of this material in it.
Yes.
And from our sources we were told the same thing.
That it's a code phrase in the industry for basically pop your iodine tablets.
So that means they had a radiation problem.
Now, where would the radiation come from?
UFOs do not use nukes.
Okay, boys and girls, that's not what they do.
They have much more advanced, sophisticated physics and technology.
U.S.
technology uses nukes.
And as I explained on the show last night, since the 1960s, our government, the Atomic Energy Commission, Los Alamos, you know, the big national labs, have been involved in the development of a nuclear boring device Get this, Art, which could go through solid rock at the rate of six miles per hour.
Right, you gave me the patent number for it.
Yes, we gave you the patent number last night, and they're on our website.
By the way, I want to credit Richard Stauder for doing a lot of this work in his book on underground bases, because he did a tremendous amount of work in digging out the actual documents, and now we know their time has come, where they're going to be basically relevant to the issues at hand.
If they had brought a SNAP-100 reactor, You familiar with that reactor?
No.
That's the one that the Lewis Research Center, now renamed the John Glenn Research Center up by Cleveland, had been working on quietly for several years for a manned Mars mission.
It was the reactor program that one of the congressmen investigated in the House of Representatives, back when Admiral Truly resigned suddenly as the Administrator of NASA.
Yes.
Because... But I'm trying here to stick with what we know.
Well no, this snap reactor would be small enough and portable enough to put in a in a Hercules aircraft and fly to the Antarctic to basically put together as a nuclear subterrain to melt through the ice to get at something underneath.
You put all these dots together.
We've got the NPR story on the UFO rumor in December.
We've now got my sources, you know, information that intel people are telling her.
We've got guys going in under the cover of the Take Out the Doctor story to look at a UFO, basically.
We've got radiation-possible poisoned people being airlifted in an emergency evac situation to Christchurch, where they have been lost in a hospital, which is not that damn big.
Oh, impossible.
And blindly... And no statement on their conditions.
Not so much as one word, I assume, from either our government, any branch or part of our government, or Raytheon, right?
Nope.
Nothing.
When they're asked, what do they say?
Apparently, they're saying no comment.
They are hiding behind the New Zealand privacy laws, even though these are not New Zealand citizens, they're American citizens.
They work for a company which is being paid by U.S.
tax dollar money, and a National Science Foundation project at the bottom of the world.
Now, let me give you this one.
This is the one that kind of puts the icing on the cake for me.
As you know, there were two separate airlifts.
There was the New Zealand airlift of the 11 Americans out yesterday.
Correct.
And then there was the Canadian airlift with the Otters, the Havilland Otter, which is a light aircraft, twin-engine aircraft, today of the Doctor supposedly back to Chile.
That was managed by a company called Ken Borack Air out of Canada.
Yesterday, MSNBC ran a story, in fact it's on the MSNB website, alright, with a quote from the general manager about what they were involved in, and I mean this is just going to blow you away, Art.
He said, Quote, we might as well be on Mars.
Well, right.
Now if we're dealing with people finding high technology and a crash program to send, you know, people in to nail down reconnaissance and communications during the dead of winter down there.
Yes.
And a major container ship following with 138 truckloads of gear, which has to leave tomorrow night at midnight.
Which is, by the way, one day after my birthday, which was tonight.
Oh, happy birthday.
Thank you, Art.
Sorry, there's so much going on.
There is a bit going on.
My, my.
So, based on what we know versus... Some of your dots are lighter than other dots, right?
Agreed.
Some of them are very heavy dots, and the heavy dots are what we know The trouble is, connecting them doesn't bring us anywhere.
In other words, about the number of people who got sick, then the stories of people coming out for personal reasons, too.
And that one doesn't make any sense to me, frankly.
CNN was reporting two days ago when some reporter asked why the other seven came out in addition to the four that were ill.
Right.
The spokesperson, this Shreve guy, says, oh, they were homesick.
Huh?
Oh, please.
No, no, no.
I'm serious.
They had just begun their winter down there.
These are highly paid contract workers.
The U.S.
government pays a fortune to screen them.
Excuse me, but these dots don't connect.
To equip them?
Yeah.
These dots do not connect.
To emplace them?
They were homesick.
No, that's what he said.
It is on the CNN website from two days ago.
One of my sources in New Zealand said that when asked by a New Zealand reporter what was wrong with one of the four, he was told he had a broken leg.
He had a broken leg?
A broken leg.
Now, bear in mind, anything like this would be cured on the spot.
Independent television last night, New Zealand time, interviewed one of the four.
They found one of the four, right?
Right.
And interviewed him in a hospital bed.
In that hospital.
Yes.
He was a fireman, supposedly.
Yes.
He supposedly had very massive head trauma.
Except on camera.
Head trauma.
He had no bandages, he had no bruises, no contusions, he spoke coherently, and he hadn't shaved his head.
In other words, none of this fits together.
So when things don't fit together, it's like, what's wrong with this picture?
The most interesting thing to me, Art, is the call for salt.
Because, as Linda has now corroborated, that says, radiation emergency, and there are no nukes by treaty on the entire continent of Antarctica.
Right, of course.
Since 1993.
Yeah, it's international, so, international territory.
Well, we used to have a reactor at McMurdo, and the Navy took it out because of the Environmental concerns of waste products and all that.
All right, Richard, how do we get inside this story?
How do we do it?
Isn't it time the major media began asking the hard questions?
Unquestionably, but it's a little difficult because they're half a world away.
We pulled back all our bureaus because we really don't care about the world anymore.
Even CNN does very light world coverage.
This is a problem.
All right, anybody with information bearing on this directly who really knows what's going on, email me.
Art Bell at Minespring.com.
And if it's relevant, I'll get it to Richard.
How's that, Richard?
I don't know what else we can do.
Well, let me give you our fax number here.
Alright, go ahead.
It's 505.
505.
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6130.
If anybody has relevant information or documents, they can get it to me that way.
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All right.
By the way, your PAX TV special, when's that coming up?
It's Friday evening, 8 o'clock Eastern and Pacific, 7 Central, 6 o'clock Mountain Time.
And it's going to be Mars a la Cydonia, a la Artifacts, as you have never seen it on network television.
All right.
Listen, we're out of time.
The rest of the story coming up as it happens.
We'll just stay in touch.
Richard, thank you.
Thank you, Art.
Good night.
This is Premiere Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
this somewhere in time.
I'm going to be doing a video on the news.
Art Bell somewhere in time.
All right, here comes a ufologist.
He is James Gilliland.
I'm calling him a ufologist, actually.
He's from ESETI.
We'll have him tell you what that's all about in a moment as the night progresses.
And that, it's doing very quickly.
my what a busy night you're listening to art bell somewhere in time
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM, from April 25th, 2001.
Well alright, now comes James Gilliland.
And I hope I'm doing that justice, his name that is.
James was raised in a small desert town, spending most of his time in nature.
In high school, he was captain of the water polo team, on the swim team, and experienced a wide variety of friends of all kinds, where he never separated himself into any one group.
College, very diverse, studied biology, chemistry, physics, Psychology, pre-law, pre-dental, yet didn't acquire a degree or practice professionally.
Having diversity was more important than anything else to him, apparently, you know, understanding all aspects of life.
His work experience also very diverse.
He learned all facets of the construction industry, grocery industry, real estate industry, owned his own commercial real estate company, Which developed and managed shopping centers and other large, multi-million dollar projects.
He was also on the Board of Directors for the Chamber of Commerce.
He had a near-death experience, and that is a story unto itself.
He's been a speaker at many, many events, has appeared on ABC and Fox News, King 5 Evening News Magazine, Elena Smitha, I believe it is, Darlene Gates, And on and on and on, he's been all over television.
His articles in UFO Reports have been featured by Magical Blend, oh, I know that magazine, and UFO Magazine, I know that one, and are a regular feature by major UFO groups like Cause, Move On, and UFO Roundup, and so forth.
So, obviously, a long-time ufologist.
Welcome to the program, James.
Thank you, Art.
It's an honor to be on the show.
I'm sorry that you're on a little late.
About an hour late, actually.
Uh, but we had two things that, uh, unwound, had to unwind on the program.
One, um, and I just, I thought I'd have you comment on these.
One was this incredible story of Deke Richards.
He seemed to have so many details, so many facts, so, so many probable witnesses.
And it's such an incre- I mean, it's Roswell in Germany.
Oh, yeah.
Is that the way it is?
It does sound like that, and the facts do add up.
It'll be interesting when we get a lot more witnesses, if we can get some witnesses to corroborate his story.
That'll be excellent.
What's interesting is my family came out of New Mexico, and they knew a lot of the people involved in that Roswell crash.
When I talked to my grandmother about it, she knew the sheriff.
I think his name was Bob Frizzell.
That's right, Bob Frizzell.
My grandfather actually sold him his farm equipment and a lot of his windmills and a lot of things of that nature.
They speak very highly of everybody involved.
They said they were as honest as the day is long and if they said they saw something, they saw something.
They said they were very shaken by the event when it happened.
I have no doubt that definitely an event happened there.
Okay, and then this other several days long story we're now following with regard to the Antarctic.
I don't know how closely you've been following that one, but it's getting weirder by the minute.
There's a lot of anomalies there.
It almost sounds like the Bermuda Triangle, the same kind of magnetic fluctuations there.
They may end up digging up a buried pyramid with an activated crystal in it and something of that nature.
You never know what they're going to find.
Could be anything.
The radiation isn't making sense.
It sounds like something got away from them.
I don't know how you lose critical patients either.
No, it's pretty interesting.
You have to really work at that.
You know, nothing too, when you get these huge massive solar flares and CMEs, those energies come zinging in right at the poles.
Right.
And so these people could be getting fried by just, there's just way too much energy and magnetic fluctuation.
You know, it's interesting that you would mention that.
By the way, I'm getting confirmation that all three main computers on the International Space Station have failed.
We're trying to follow that story as it comes in.
But I've got a story here which ran in the Wall Street Journal.
And this has not been, I guess you'd be sure they're the mainstream press, but I had never heard about it until I got this Wall Street Journal copy of the story.
And what it basically says is that airlines like, for example, Northwest, which regularly flies over the pole on routes from Detroit to Beijing and Shanghai, they recently began doing these flights.
They've all decided to stay south of the pole and did so for about two weeks.
United Airlines, with its Hong Kong to New York route, also avoided the established flight path closest to the pole on a few flights by taking another nearby route.
Continental twice bypassed the pole on its Hong Kong flight.
All of this because of solar flares.
And I wonder what they told the passengers.
Who knows?
You know, there's been some research, too, done at Stanford, where they subjected monkeys to fluctuations in the magnetic field, and very large fluctuations, and they exhibited behavior, everything from comatose to self-mutilation.
Really?
So, uh... Gee, we're all kind of monkeys.
Exactly.
Sort of.
Kind of.
And so, you know, it's not... These flares in CMEs, they hit the bioelectric fields around the human body.
There's Russian Research around this, too, where people have emotional outbursts.
They start projecting and processing a lot of old wounds and traumas.
And it's what you refer to as the quickening.
Everything's coming up.
I'll say.
All right.
I watched your videotape tonight, Jay.
Great.
So I saw what you're about to describe.
Fortunately for James, he had not one, I think, video camcorder.
But probably two, because I kept hearing people saying, are you getting this?
Are you getting this?
Do you have one out there, or two?
We had, actually, on the two landings we had, we had one.
Landings.
Yeah, we have landings.
So hold on, folks.
We're getting ahead of our story here.
Yes.
We're talking about, first of all, what period of time?
Represented on the videotape, what period of time?
Many days, I would assume.
Well, we started filming these objects last May, and I was telling people about all the UFO activity here, and nobody was believing me.
All right, now we get to the here part.
Where is here?
Where are you talking about?
Okay, we're in Trout Lake, Washington, right at the base of Mount Adams.
Okay.
And Mount Adams has the Yakima Reservation, which is my I look straight out across the reservation, our ranch is right next to the reservation.
It has a very long history of UFO activity and sightings.
Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Bill Vogel and Greg Long, David Akers have all done a lot of research here and their findings actually came out They've been out for some time now, actually a couple of them have died.
How about sightings near Mount Adams?
Yes, they would be on the east side of Mount Adams.
That's where they were seeing these.
And it's all well documented on our website at eSETI.org.
All right, what is eSETI?
Now eSETI is, what it stands for is Enlightened Contact with Extraterrestrials.
Sounds like C-SETI, only E-SETI.
Very similar.
The only thing is we've taken it a step further and we've actually made contact and we've had some very interesting things where we've got probably over 700 eyewitnesses now that have come here and seen the craft fly over and light up on command.
You know, I must say, If I hadn't seen it, that is, the video, I would think you're crackers right now.
But folks, I saw these extremely bright objects moving as no satellite could, as no airplane could, in some cases, accelerating instantly to incredible speeds.
I saw one of them land on the damn mountain.
And I'm talking about Mount Adams.
All of this was quite That's how far I can go from what I saw on the videotape.
Exactly.
become more than an extremely
at least to the video camera and extremely bright white moving in ways that aircraft couldn't move
that's how far i can go from what i saw on the video tape exactly that some of the analyzed we have
i have another tape actually It's on its way to you with even more footage.
Well, James, as you were describing one of the objects, and you would call for it to brighten, and by God, it would brighten, and there were several witnesses there, not just you.
That was the other impressive part about it.
The object did, in fact, brighten.
How sure are you that object was responding to your request to brighten?
Well, we've got 11 hours now of video footage of them flying over, doing the same behavior.
And after a while, when it's repeated again and again and again, you know, it's real funny, we just yell, the whole group goes, light it up, light it up, and it'll get right over the ranch here, and then it just lights right up.
Lights up.
What kind of video camera were you using?
I've got a small Sony, probably the cheapest model you can get.
Well, it did very well, because it even caught some of the background stars, and that made it easy, in some cases, to get a reference for how this object was moving.
Exactly.
We're on a shoestring budget here, basically.
We've got one Sony camcorder and two VCRs.
That's how we put all this together.
I see.
We're not like NASA or SETI, but we've delivered, actually.
We've delivered the witnesses.
We've had astrophysicists up here, scientists.
Well, I noticed at one point when you were filming one of the objects, it was particularly bright.
You said, I'm watching it with one eye through the viewfinder, and my other eye is seeing more than the camera is seeing.
You were saying it was a gold color, and were you able to discern shape?
Well that particular object it morphed into as many as four balls but in the naked eye it was gold color and it kept expanding out and it would morph into four like a long wing with four lights on it.
But the camcorder could only pick up one light unfortunately.
If we had a real nice digital camera or something of that nature we could probably pick up a lot more detail.
Tell me what's available to be seen on your website.
On our website we have just a load of information.
We have all kinds of photos that have been taken by UFO investigators and guests.
The photos were all taken by other people and there was a reason for that.
This extends this out further, but in telepathic contact that I've had for quite a while with these beings, they told me they didn't want me to Try to prove that these pictures are real.
So it leaves me out of the loop.
I don't have to prove it because I have the people that took the pictures and their testimony to back up the events.
All right, for some reason I'm being taken.
Let me be sure I'm in the right place here.
I'm being taken to something called Self Mastery Earth Institute.
Yeah, well click on the UFO where it says photos.
UFOs and full contact photos and video clips.
Alright.
Video clips.
Photos and video clips.
Alright, I see it.
I'm on my way.
Okay, then you'll start coming up with the photos.
Alright.
And the video clips there.
We've got some clips of the landings.
There's actually two landings.
And we've got all kinds of photos of flyovers and things of that nature.
Well, the... I'll say this.
The... Gosh, the...
The video itself was incredibly, just incredibly impressive.
Those were not any sort of terrestrial aircraft, that's for certain, and they weren't satellites.
So, what's left?
Exactly.
Well, you know, that one was taken 12 miles away, the landing, because the mountain is about 12 miles away from us.
So the sheer candle power That that object was putting out and the size of it is immense.
And it came over the very top of the mountain and this is almost a 13,000 foot mountain.
It came over the top and started descending down and descended over some sheer cliffs and rock faces and it would be impossible for any kind of conventional vehicle to do anything like that.
And people that have looked at the tape they said the sheer candle power there was no way Anything up there mobile with that much candle power?
I absolutely agree with you, and they changed intensity.
Sometimes they would pulse, sometimes they would simply get extremely bright and stay that way.
They went through all sorts of changes, right?
Well, they would actually morph.
It would send a smaller light out, and then that one would get as big as the original light.
I saw that happen, as a matter of fact.
And it would morph into as many as three and one.
It actually goes into four, but four different objects, and then back to one again.
So they can actually bilocate or duplicate their ship.
It's phenomenal what the technology these beings have.
And so what we're looking at is definitely nothing You know, that we have.
Okay, your page is slowing down.
We should be able to take a million and a half hits, according to my webmaster, but I need my server.
Yes.
Well, we'll see.
It's kind of slow right now.
You know, I've got the sound of a UFO.
You actually recorded the sound of a UFO, didn't you?
Yes, yes we did.
Now, this actual recording was recorded by a very good friend of mine named Troy.
You know what, though?
I don't have it.
Oh, you didn't get it?
No, I don't think that I've yet received it.
I will consult my chief helper in the other room, my lovely wife, Ramona.
Alright.
You sent it on a CD?
No, actually...
I think it was... Oh, you... I believe you... I remember what it was.
Delaina?
Is it Delaina?
No, Delani of the network.
Delani, yeah.
Delani was actually shooting that over to you somehow.
Okay.
However she did that, I don't know.
I don't think that it made it today.
Today would have been the day when it would have arrived, I think.
And so if we don't have it, we're going to have to play it for somebody tomorrow.
Do you have a recording of that there?
No, I have it on the website, actually, where it says, hear the sound of a UFO.
I know.
I've been clicked on that now for about a minute and a half.
OK.
We're challenging your website right now.
I'm afraid.
All right.
You know what?
I've got it.
Bless your heart, honey.
Thank you.
My wife just brought it to me.
It didn't arrive.
Hadn't even been opened yet.
I'm going to open it up right now.
Voila.
A CD.
So after we come back from, uh, it's a 36 second clip.
And after we come back from the break, I'll be able to play this for everybody.
So they did get it here.
All right.
How about that?
Um, how do you think, and why do you think, that you and your friends, and you've got a witness there who's going to get on the phone when we want them to, have been blessed where you are with such frequent and incredible contact?
Any thoughts on that?
Yes, what's happened is we've risen to the occasion and there's some very strong protocols when you're dealing with these beings because they're very advanced beings and they're also very spiritually advanced as well.
How do you know that?
Because I've seen them face-to-face.
That's a good answer.
You've seen the beings face-to-face?
Yes.
We've had full-blown contact here.
It's been going on for about eight years but we haven't been able to get it out or get anybody to listen to us.
So we just kept documenting the evidence over and over and over.
Well, your video documentation is excellent.
Oh, thank you.
We've got more.
How many people have copies of this tape?
That particular tape has been shot out to probably about 40 or 50 people.
So 40 or 50 have seen this?
Exactly.
And what kind of comments do you get other than the ones I gave you?
Well, even skeptics walk away just scratching their head, and one woman watched it, and she went into process, started kind of really flipping out, just could not handle it.
Because she was in denial and real skeptic, and after seeing the footage... Well, a couple of the clips are like something out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, not quite that close, but I mean when these lights, these bright orbs just suddenly split and take off.
Well, we have these giant golden ones that come in, and they come right at you.
Okay, now, we could not discern the golden color on the tape.
That's what I remember you said.
No, I remember you said, I'm seeing it just as a bright light in the viewfinder, but with my left eye, I can see it's gold colored.
Yeah, that was a higher one.
There's been so much activity here, unfortunately we haven't been able to get it all on film.
You've got enough, though.
Hold on, if you would please.
James Gilliland is my guest.
He's a ufologist up in Washington State, which seems to be a hotspot for just about everything.
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from April 25, 2001 Well, I hate to be the bearer of a self-fulfilling prophecy,
but I've got to find out I'm having a terrible time getting on James' site
My guest is James Gilliland, a ufologist, and he's got a lot of photographs and moving video up there
that we all want you to see but I'm having trouble getting on the site.
So, give it a try.
How do you get there?
Everybody's asking, how do you get there?
Go to my site, www.artbell.com.
Click on tonight's guest info.
You'll see the name right away, James Gilliland.
Go down to our website, www.artbell.com.
It looks like kazekiel.org.
That's what you want to click on.
And then, if you would be so kind, you go, of course, to the videos.
You go to the photos and video clips section and see how you do.
And if you would be so kind, report back to me on Fast Blast and let me know whether you're getting through or not.
I said it may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Sending you there to check may cause it to stop utterly, but it was pretty well stopped for me anyway.
So, if it's just me, then I want to know that.
If it's all of you, then I want to know that, so that we can make some adjustments in the future, if not right now.
Anyway, we've got the sound of an extraterrestrial craft on a CD.
I've never heard it.
We'll all listen together.
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tonight featuring coast-to-coast AM from April 25th 2001 James welcome back
I've got good news and medium news.
The good news is, one person I see out of ten here that I've got on my screen right now did get through, watched, he says, a 31 meg MPEG file, and he says, Wowzers!
That's Dick in Cottage Grove, Oregon.
So he saw some video.
Most of the other people, though, are saying things like, the site is slow, it's not just you, I'm on cable.
Or, let's see, A sound is downloading now, but at about 50 bytes a second, I may hear it next week, if I'm lucky.
So that gives you some idea of what's happening to your website right now.
Well, we know that a million and a half of your listeners have computers, that's for sure.
Yeah, that's right.
Alright, so they're trying to get to what they can get to.
Alright, so I've got this CD, and by the way, it looks like it has... I'm trying to determine how many tracks are actually on it, I guess just one.
Alright, describe to me where you were when you recorded this and the circumstances around whatever is on here.
Okay, this particular sound was recorded actually by a friend of mine by the name of Troy who was very involved with us here and he was a student at Portland State University and he came up here and made telepathic contact with them and he was a Kung Fu master, Chi Kung master, Totally fearless, very tapped in, studied at all the Eastern schools and when he made contact with these beings he sat there and cried for half an hour and he said this is the strongest energy he's ever felt anywhere.
His first meeting with them when they came in and flew over real low, he had a $7,000 video camera with him and it just sat there hanging at his side.
And I told him, I said, you think you're ready, but you're not ready yet.
Along with his mouth on his chest, I suppose.
Exactly.
His mouth was wide open and he was just two feet planted and almost in shock.
I understand that.
And I told him, I said, well, this is your first one.
And so, you know, I said, you're just getting primed, you know, for when they really come in.
So then what, he had it running, but not pointed properly?
They told him there's two videos that he took for us and one is on the other video that I'm sending you that we have available on our site.
He took one out of a plane window where they said they were going to fly next to the plane and he shot that and they did.
They flew right next to a commercial plane.
He shot it out the window.
Yeah, it's all out of a commercial airline.
Exactly, and this ship flies right along next to the plane, and it starts shape-shifting, which is the weirdest thing.
And it turns into a large pillar, like a pillar of light, straight up and down.
Yes.
And then it turns into an arrowhead, and then it turns into a hand held exactly like the Hebrew symbol for God.
And, uh, which is phenomenal.
I think I saw an Outer Limits just like this, except that this little being was, might have been Twilight Zone, I don't know, where this little being was pounding on the airliner's window.
And it was terrifying.
This isn't quite that bad, but was anybody else, Pray Tell, besides your friend, seeing this?
You know, like the other passengers, the stewardess, the... Yeah, his, uh, the person next to him was seeing it.
He was really afraid and he didn't tell anybody because he thought they might steal his tape.
And so he didn't tell anybody else or try to verify it.
But he got the tape.
Exactly.
And we actually have copies of that and that's all.
It's been analyzed by Jim Delatoto at Village Labs and several other people and they said there's no evidence whatsoever of a hoax.
Alright, come back now to the sound that I'm going to play.
Now the second thing he filmed was Right outside of his window at Portland State University, they brought a mothership in, a great big one.
And he sat there and filmed it.
Now the film only shows a light in the sky, a very large light.
Right.
But the light actually corresponds with the sound.
And when the sound starts pulsing faster, the light pulses faster.
So it ties it in with the ship.
And, uh, the sound, too, has some very interesting characteristics to it, because when people hear it, it seems to alter them in some way, in a very good way.
But it triggers either old memories or something.
People just love hearing this.
They do.
This sound.
I've never heard it.
Now, uh, so he recorded this.
The only thing on video was a very bright light, but obviously the camera was rolling.
Now, did anybody utter any language during this that I can't play on the air?
No, no.
And actually what we did is we had to take out the background noise because actually he was listening to you in the background interviewing Linda Moulton Howe.
You're kidding.
No.
We get around.
No, but it was pretty funny.
We had to take that out to boost up the sound.
All right.
How far above him was this when he taped this?
I would say probably a couple thousand feet.
A couple thousand feet.
You know, just a guesstimate.
And he had invited this thing to arrive.
Exactly.
What happened was, he would go into meditation.
We showed him how to connect with them, and that's why we call it enlightened contact with extraterrestrials, because we have a technique that we can show people actually how to connect with these beings.
Really, your work is very much like C. Seti's, Dr. Greer, isn't it?
Very much.
It's very similar.
Dr. Greer also feels that he can Uh, communicate with these beings and cause contact.
Exactly.
And they've got quite a few records of it.
Alright, I'm going to play this sound.
I'm dying to hear it, so let's play this sound and we'll be right back.
Here it is.
whatever it is.
I'm going to go ahead and get started.
Holy smokes!
Holy smokes!
You're saying that it was delivering that sound from 2,000 feet up?
Exactly, right to the camcorder.
They have... I'd have lost my lunch.
Yeah.
That's some sound.
What do you think we're hearing?
We're hearing obviously the drive system, I guess.
Of some kind of craft or what?
Well, actually, I'll tell you, another mind blower is that sound.
When I listen to the Alfred side and the Kent Steadman both have a sound of a pulse coming from the center of the galaxy.
Yes.
And they added the golden mean to it and they put it together on a tape and when you clicked on it, it sounded almost identical to that craft.
But one more time, very short version.
Not exactly steady.
You hear it hiccup a little.
There, for example.
Oh, that's weird stuff, James.
It kind of stutters steps a little bit, doesn't it?
Yeah, that might be in the reproduction of it, because we had to do some work on it to take out the background noise.
Is that basically an accurate rendition, otherwise, of that sound?
Yes, it's very accurate.
We just removed some of the background noise.
Like my show on the radio.
I mean, I'd lose it if there was an object above me making that sound with a very bright light.
I don't think I could really hold it together.
But then again, he was new, I guess, at this, right?
You're kind of an old hand at this by now.
Yes.
So I think you'd probably keep your camera in the right back.
I must say, you were doing an incredible job.
On the video, folks, you could see, even though it was nighttime, it was clear enough, or there was enough light, or the camera was good enough, you could see Mount Adams quite clearly.
In fact, when you were zoomed in, although it's a long zoom, you could see the trees, you could see the rocks above the tree line, that sort of thing, on Mount Adams.
And when one landed, it kind of landed and moved around on the mountain for quite a period of time, didn't it?
We had two landings.
One lasted about 45 minutes and the other one lasted probably about an hour and 15 minutes.
And you tracked these on the ground as best you could as they moved all around the mountain from the tree line up in to above the tree line and then down even toward the base of the mountain, right?
Exactly.
One came actually over the top of the mountain, which would be impossible for any kind of a vehicle.
And that's also wilderness area there are no vehicles allowed not even a helicopter no motorized vehicles can go up there and the only way you could go up there if it was a life and death like a rescue and you have to have a note from the governor and the head of the wilderness department here.
Okay.
Just for the record, if you wouldn't mind, ask Paul to either get on the phone or pick up a phone.
He's another witness who was with you during all of this, right?
Yes, he's listening in right now and he should have the phone right next time.
All right, Paul, turn your radio off and pick up your telephone.
That information will get to him in about six seconds.
Okay.
It's about now.
Okay, yes, I'm here, Art.
Yeah, hi, Paul.
I take it you're listening to a radio in a different room.
Yes.
I'm actually in our other house, what we call our guest house, where people that come to Skywatch and enjoy the craft stay.
How long have you known James?
Three years.
Three years?
Yes.
And you know the videotape I saw, right?
Oh, yes.
I was out there watching it.
You were there during all of this?
Yes.
Your observations, please.
We're talking about the last landing here?
I beg your pardon?
Are we referring to the last, most recent landing?
Well, the times that you saw the objects near Mount Adams, around Mount Adams, above Mount Adams, the objects that traveled sometimes Moving in impossible ways, sometimes accelerating in impossible ways, obviously not satellites, those objects, whatever they were.
Okay.
Well, basically these are, from what I can see, the same crap that we view overhead all the time, that we videotape, that make these impossible right angle turns, that light up on request, as James was mentioning earlier.
We saw something kind of funny just last night when Two of these craft were flying over in a commercial airplane which was coming towards them, and one of them made a real quick right-angle turn like a zip.
Who knows how many thousands of miles per hour to move out of the way at the last second?
And we know that.
We were just laughing.
We're going, we know that pod.
It must have just been blown away.
Of course, we'd love it if that pod would call into your program.
Yeah, it was 11 o'clock.
We shouldn't hold our breath on that one.
But anyhow, uh... Is there any way the pilot could have missed it?
No.
They waited until the last minute to get out of the way.
I know it's difficult to judge with altitude, but how seemingly close to the airliner did he come?
It looked like within a thousand feet.
I mean, as far as height, within a thousand, two thousand feet.
He couldn't say that they were in direct line of each other, but surely within his view.
I wouldn't say they were going to collide, but surely he could see this big orb just hovering there right in front of him.
It was quite close, but I don't think there was ever a real danger of a collision.
It was more like a contact where they come in and hover there for a minute and say hi, then move out of the way so the pilot doesn't panic.
How close has your contact been?
James has had full contact, has met with these beings, which we're not going to get to yet.
How about you?
How much contact have you experienced?
The same, but with a different group of beings, actually.
But again, working for the same cause.
I wouldn't say it was exactly the same.
It was more...
My situation was more one where we're out in a vehicle and kind of contacted by a craft that came in and basically picked up the vehicle.
So that was a different group, but yet associated with what's going on here.
They're definitely connected.
You know, they're all working together.
How many are typically, for example, on a cold night up there Near Mount Adams, how many of you are there that witness these incredible things?
Well, this depends, again, if it's a weekend and if people are coming up.
During this time of year when it warms up and we can get the word out, a lot of people will come up.
Sometimes there's as many as 20 people outside there around a campfire, basically the way we set it up.
And, well, it's a campfire that faces north towards the mountain, where the activity is primarily occurring in that direction.
And, so I would say, you know, it could be just me and James, or it could be as many as 20 or 30 of us out there, even.
20 or 30.
Did you see, and I should really say the same thing to Dr. Greer sometime, did you see Independence Day?
The both of you?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You did.
Do you remember the group on top of the building?
That was, uh, waving and screaming and yelling, and, UFO, land here!
Land here, you know!
Come save Earth!
All the rest of it, they held up signs, and as I recall, they were the first group that were destroyed by the Independence Day craft, right?
Now, have you ever, as a group, wondered about that?
I mean, after all, you are inviting things in about which you don't know a great deal, or at least certainly didn't in the beginning.
And still may not.
You want to take that one, James?
I think our biggest threat isn't coming from the E.T.
It's coming from our own people, our own government.
We just had a warthog fly in here.
It said U.S.
Marine Corps.
Actually, Paul saw it better than I did.
He could tell you about it.
Yeah, they gave us a low flyover this morning about Oh, I think it was about 11 a.m.
Yeah, we get those here, too.
Yeah, and, you know, those Warthog bombers, I believe they're called Warthogs.
Yeah.
We use them in the Gulf War, the low-level bombers.
Yeah, that's right.
They go after tanks.
And, yes, and they flipped up and showed us the underside to let us know they were loaded with bombs.
They went over at tree-top level.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, it was a little bit of a message.
But, you know, a black helicopter was here last week trying to do the same thing, and we don't worry about it.
I have them on film, actually.
Yeah, we filmed that one.
You have not yet answered my question.
In other words, inviting these things in as you are, isn't there the slightest concern that you might not be inviting something that will be happy with you when it gets there?
Personally, I've experienced it firsthand.
I don't have a problem with that, and I also know these other ones are looking after me.
So no negative experiences?
It's an energy thing, Art.
When you're connecting with a ship, even, and when they light up, there's a pulse of energy that comes down that literally tingles your whole body.
It creates an excitement that I can only explain like you'd see a child with a new toy ride his bike for the first time, a six-year-old kid or whatever.
The level of excitement that goes through you and just the rush of real positive energy is just incredible.
And in the one that James filmed here about, well I guess it was about two weeks ago now, you can even see these pulses of this energy coming off of it and they're hitting me directly and I'm outside building a campfire.
You know if you didn't have photographs and video And sound.
People would think you're crazy as a loon.
Yes, they probably would.
Or, sorry, loons.
All right, gentlemen.
Hold on, hold on.
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Well, I see I've received about a thousand emails since we went on the air, so I've got a lot of work to do tomorrow to pour through these.
A lot of them involve Antarctica.
I just pulled one at random and printed it out on my printer.
It's from Ed.
And the subject is New Zealand Navy Guard duty in Antarctica.
This is interesting.
He says, I have a friend in Auckland.
He's in the New Zealand Navy.
He recently said that he was considering a three-month tour in Antarctica.
Doing what, I ask?
Guarding the American scientists, he says.
What the F-word do they need guarding from in Antarctica?
Answer, they just do.
What are they doing down there?
Can't tell you.
You know?
Yes.
And, can't tell you.
So, that's a conversation that Ed had with somebody.
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Not everything is cut and dry.
And I think people will look at events and say, who profits?
Who benefits?
And then they back into it with their theories, which many people would say are conspiracies.
I mean, there's no question there's a facet of government that wants to take guns out the street.
Not just assault weapons.
In order to do that, you need tragedies and events like we had in Connecticut in order to create the stimulus to get the legislature and people behind that in order to say, you know what, they're right, we don't need this, we don't need that.
So I think when you look at that whole picture As bizarre as it sounds, because you cannot see a conspiracy at every event, but you will look at these events and say, see, this is what they've created in order to get people to think this way.
Bottom line is, people don't trust other people, and that's why they create all these things.
Somewhere in time with Art Bell continues courtesy of Premier Networks.
Back down to James Killiland.
James, are you there?
Yes.
All right.
Somebody asks Fast Blasts, do they say anything about the concept of death?
They do, actually.
Really?
What?
Basically, they live much longer than we do.
They live around 800 years or so.
The one that I connected with was around 400 years old and looked like she was about 29
or so.
HDH plus.
Exactly.
Plus, plus, plus.
But to them it's the wheel basically that nothing ever dies and that your body although
it lays down it just disassembles itself back into the elements and that the life force
is actually in the atom itself and then the spirit goes on.
So everything is in a constant cycle.
Renewal you might say, it's just transforming.
But they said that nothing, as a soul, you go on and on and on.
It's real important too, what they said, there's a lot of us here on earth that are more from the stars in our soul than we are from earth.
Our souls have come here and picked up a body from these other places.
A lot of these people are being activated right now.
My second contact, that's what that entailed.
A beam of light came right through the wall and hit me square in the chest and it actually left a burn mark on my chest and the next thing I know I was standing aboard the ship and it was more of a plasma ship this one it was more of a spiritual experience but it left a burn mark on my chest to prove that this was a real event.
You know that a lot of religious conservatives would say You fool!
Don't you realize that what you're encountering isn't from anywhere else, any other star system?
What you're encountering is the devil, demonic forces.
And to that, you would say what?
Well, I've heard it all, but... Well, I know, but I thought you might want to hear it one more time.
Yeah, basically, to me, I look at the vibration of the experience, and if there's love and joy and service involved in it, I don't see how it can go wrong.
And there's just the sheer energy because I was trained extensively in dealing with discarnate spirits and things of that level in my yoga and Lama training and things like that.
So I do know how to heal and move those kind of energies on.
So you think you can separate the two and you know you're not dealing with that?
Exactly.
I don't have any doubts at all.
You're not denying the presence of that, or the possible presence of that, but you're saying that's not what this is.
No, this isn't what this is.
And I tell you what's interesting is this is mentioned throughout the Bible.
It's mentioned throughout almost every sacred text.
J.J.
Hertack in the Keys of Enoch talks a lot about these kinds of contacts that are happening right here.
As a matter of fact, I spoke at a conference with him, and he came up after I spoke, and he said, Thank you very much for the talk and all the photos and everything we had.
He said, what's happening at your ranch is what he's written about.
But he said it's happening a little faster than he expected.
Do you have videos or tapes available for people who don't have internet?
Yeah, we do and the video is so much better than what's on the internet.
It comes out much clearer.
We're working on that now.
We're getting some live video streaming and things of that nature.
We, as again, I said we're very underfunded.
We don't have any funding, basically, and we don't have the equipment to really get this information out like it needs to.
Well, let me help you fund.
How much do you charge for the tapes?
The tapes?
We have one for $14.99, and that covers all of the TV shows I've been on.
It has the photos in it.
It has the plane episode where it flies next to the jet and shapeshifts, and it has a lot of other Uh, contacts that are happening with kids.
What about some of what you sent, uh, me?
Yes, a lot of that's on those tapes.
The only thing that's not on it is the landings, the last two landings.
That was so new.
Yeah, that's still new, but... Alright, $14.99, um, how would people get that to you?
Now, they can, they can either send a check or money order to the Self Mastery Earth Institute, and that's... Self, uh, hold this.
Self Mastery Earth Institute.
Yeah, or just S-M-E-I.
S-M-E-I would be easier.
P.O.
Box 281, Hood River, Oregon, and it's 97031.
I'm sorry, I'm slow here.
The zip code again, please.
97031.
Okay, S-M-E-I, P.O.
Okay, SMEI, PO Box 281, Hood River, Oregon, zip code 97031.
Out of curiosity, from the time they send you a check or money order or whatever, how long will it be before they get their tape?
We can send them right out.
We're getting low on stock.
These are kind of flying out the door.
I'm working with Smith with Spiral Intuit.
I'm going to be on May 1st.
I'm going to be on his program where he has another video that he made of an interview with me.
And he's got a 1-800 number for that one if people want to call that number to get that tape where he has a lot of this footage as well.
It's a different tape, but it's 1-800-662-1877.
1-800-662-1877, but that's a different interview.
1-800-662-1877.
1-800-662-1877, but that's a different interview.
Yeah, it's another interview and it has a lot of the same footage.
And what we're getting ready to do is we're going to add the landings
and a couple other just phenomenal shots to the first video and that should be available in two weeks.
In two weeks.
All right.
Everybody bear that in mind.
On the international line, you're on the air with James Gilliland.
Hi.
Hi, this is Aaron from Darwin, Australia.
Yes, sir.
I have a question for your guest this morning about MIBs.
I'm curious to know, Firstly, if they really do exist, and if they do, what's their agenda?
Alright, men in black is what he's saying.
Alright.
Do they really exist, and if they do, what are they all about?
I'll tell you my own experiences here is we do have black helicopters flying around here, and they do appear right after an incident might happen, like the landings, they came right after that happened, and they're very aware of what's going on, and we've actually filmed them, and they're in the They're in the videos.
I just grab a camera and walk out there and start filming them.
And they do have some strange hardware that I've never seen before and nobody else can identify.
We've had them fly very low here around the house, videotape the entire place here, and then drop down to about a couple feet off the ground.
And they were so close that I actually saw a mole on the pilot's face.
I was looking face-to-face with them, and they have not one mark on that copter.
You know, the way it's going, if you're on a ranch, if your ranch isn't nothing more than a burn spot soon, you're going to be lucky.
All right.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with James.
Hi.
Hi, James.
This is Douglas from San Angelo, Texas.
Hello, Douglas.
It's great to speak with you.
I have a question.
You said something earlier about your contacts that you've had.
They might be ancestors or brothers or sisters from a past calamity in earth's past maybe?
Yes.
Now the past two or three years I've been having visions, dreams about different sendings and the only way that I've been able to interpret these is by doing writing.
When I do the writing it just comes out sometimes I feel like I'm not even the one doing the writing.
Yeah, they call it automatic writing.
That's right.
The spirit flows through you and you write down the transmission.
But it's coming out as sometimes it comes out as things I have to put together later to interpret it but mostly it's coming out as a story.
Yeah.
I just was wondering if you think that they're attempting some kind of reintegration or with us like we are the same race that has just developed
differently from them like they escaped the calamity.
Are we separately created creatures or are we of common ancestry?
We are common ancestry and common genetics.
They are what, I'll tell you what happened a long time ago and the myths that aren't
really myths about Atlantis and Lemuria those were originally Palladian colonies and they
actually attracted a lot of beings from other nations and they all lived together harmoniously
but then things got out of hand and technology got out of hand and they started warring on
each other and they pretty much did themselves in and almost did the planet in.
But we've had several.
We're going into the fifth world right now.
This isn't the first civilization that's been here and that's why they're finding all these pyramids and temples that we can't duplicate today because those are some of the buildings of the ancient ancestors.
The very ancient ones are being recycled as molten rock because the earth is always bending inward.
Recycling itself.
All right, Corey in Austin, Texas.
Practical question.
What is their life source?
What do they consume?
As far as I understand, they eat a lot of things just like we do.
And a lot of our plant and animal kingdom actually was brought here.
And so their environment is much like ours.
I haven't gotten that much into their diet.
Are they meat eaters?
Do you know?
I've heard that some do and some don't.
I think most of them are probably more vegetarian, but I think they do have some form of protein that they get from an animal.
Good, because if it keeps up the way it is, we'll have to borrow a hamburger from them soon.
Exactly.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with James Gilliland.
Hi.
That'd be like mad alien disease, like mad cow or something, I don't know.
Well, once it's widespread down here, then what price a hamburger, huh?
Or chicken.
It's Mr. Learjet Kim from Coal Lake, Alberta.
Yes, sir.
Hey, can I ask you that question?
Why do our scientists need guarding in Antarctica?
Sure, you can try and answer it.
I have a question, but this is like, could it be something similar to the movie Ice Station Zebra?
Yes, of course it could.
It could be similar to the thing, too.
I have no idea what's going on down there, but we're going to find out somehow.
You know, the Russians are supposed to be there, too, aren't they?
Oh, yes.
And so we've got several... Yes, with a big magnetic anomaly, and a lake, and all... Listen, it could be... I'm surprised nobody's seen James Arnest floating across the ice yet.
The way it's going.
Anyway, do you have a question?
Yes, I do.
And you know what?
Something happened tonight that scared the Jesus out of me, I guess you could say, on the air.
I got a ride home tonight by a guy whose name was Jeff.
He's a cab driver here in town.
I've got a law enforcement background.
The first time in my life I wasn't sure whether I was being interviewed or interrogated.
And I think that maybe, maybe I've called too many times on the wild card line, Art, but I got a bit of a scare tonight.
So I don't know what's going on.
Well, I hope you didn't leave my chip then.
Not at all.
But my question is this.
I've read some documents in the past, James, and have you ever heard anything about devices?
Let me explain what they look like.
A German stick grenade from the Second World War, but very miniature.
You know what I'm talking about?
You mean like the swastika?
No, a stick grenade.
Like it's a wooden handle with a knob at the top.
It's a grenade.
Not like ours.
Ours are handheld.
Oh, okay.
Oh, stick grenade.
Okay.
Yes, okay.
But they're smaller and at the top there's two rings and they're magnetic and they're placed on highways or roads and they attach themselves to vehicles that are tagged Well, I've never heard of such a thing.
James, have you?
No, I haven't.
I know the ones that we're dealing with don't have any problem tracking you at all.
They don't even need a device.
That's how I would think it would be.
Yeah, they're so advanced, they can just pretty much think about you and know where you are.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James.
Hi, Art.
Glenn from South Texas.
Yes, sir.
I have two questions for James and a comment.
The first question is, have they run that sound through an oscilloscope?
And if they've seen any higher or lower frequencies, because there seem to be some kind of pattern.
Yeah, they have.
And the person to talk to on that would be Jim Delatosa of Village Labs.
Uh-huh.
And if you send me an email, I'll get you his contact information.
And he did all the analysis on it.
And he said it had all kinds of anomalies in it.
Do you have an email address?
Uh, no, I don't.
No, not you, caller.
Oh, yes, uh-huh.
You said, James, you said send an email.
Yeah, I did.
We haven't given out any email addresses.
Okay, yeah, you can send one.
Just, you know, click on the site, eSteady.
Yeah, but that might not be so easy right now, so... Yeah.
Or you can send it to James at Kazekiel, at C-A-Z-E-K... Wait a minute, wait a minute.
James at, start again, C... C-A-Z-E-K-I-E-L dot org.
dot org.
Pretty good address, James at Kazekiel, C-A-Z-E-K-I-E-L dot org.
Okay, call her?
Very good.
And my second question, am I to understand that when you refer to Pleiadians that these are from the Seven Sisters, the constellation, the little constellation, the Pleiades?
They come from that region but actually they're in a different time than we know it.
So if we went there we wouldn't, that's basically the reference point they give us where they do a jump.
I'm not much of an amateur UFOlogist, but I've heard the term.
My comment is that I'm fairly keen with sound.
I can recognize when people do voiceovers.
I've heard something in popular culture that was almost identical to that sound.
What was it?
It was in the Charlie Sheen movie, The Arrival.
It wasn't when they Actually, when he heard the signals, it was when they were in the artificial epidermis application room.
Oh, yes.
In the underground lair.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
I remember that.
Underground lair.
I would have to compare it.
Yeah, I haven't seen that movie, but I'd love to hear that sound.
I've seen the movie, but I don't know... What was the movie again?
It was, uh... The Arrival.
The Arrival, yeah.
The Arrival?
Martin Sheen was in that, right?
I have to go.
Wonderful.
Check it out.
Yep.
Okay, well thanks guys.
That's it.
Alright, well thank you very much and take care.
Yeah, it's such a weird sound.
And again, people in the audience should know that unless you have a bass system capable of reproducing the sound, it's not going to sound like much to you because it really is all at the low end.
I mean the real low end.
Hold on, James.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
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On Art Bell Somewhere in Time Good morning, everybody.
James Gilliland is here, and we're talking about the contacts he's had.
Now, we're not just talking.
He's got a website with video of these vehicles, of these extraterrestrial Pleiadian craft.
He's got videos, he's got still photographs, and we've even got the sound of one.
We'll be right back.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from April 25th, 2001.
Once again, into the night.
Alright, James Gilliland is here, from E-Setti, and, uh, here he is again.
into the night alright james gilliland is here from east at the and uh...
uh... series again james Yes.
All right, let's go international.
On the international line, you're on the air with James.
Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Germany, stationed over here with the United States military.
Yes, sir.
Good to hear from you.
We've been hearing a lot of reports lately of triangles sighted in Germany.
Have you heard anything about that?
I've heard about it, but I have not directly seen it.
All right.
I just wanted to ask James if he's had any questions answered on Other civilizations that are out there, especially those much like our own that have not quite developed to the point where they can reach warp technology and time travel and stuff, just so we know where we are in the plane of the rest of the universe.
Yeah, we're kind of at the low end, basically.
There are other beings that have, the stuff that we've been working with is interstellar and interdimensional.
And they're extremely advanced.
The best way to explain it is there's a vibrational continuum and we're all multidimensional beings existing on this vibrational continuum.
So though we have a physical body, we also have a mental, emotional and spiritual body as well.
And when a race starts evolving, they evolve more out of the physical body and become more of an energy body you might say.
And as they further evolve, they evolve into a light body, and as they further evolve along the vibrational continuum, they go into just pure consciousness.
So is that on the same basis as, say, the astral body when we have out-of-body experiences?
Have they evolved to the point where they exist only within that astral body itself?
They're a little bit beyond our frequency.
They have to drop their frequency down to To work with us, but they do have the technology to do that.
So their shifts can go, time travel, they can drop their frequency down and experience lower dimensions and higher dimensions as well.
So they're very advanced beings and there are other ones out there.
The whole universe is full of life and I guess from my understanding there are some people that are still quite primitive in other systems.
Right.
I don't know what they're at now.
There's something like 400 billion suns in the Milky Way Galaxy and they've lost count on how many billions of galaxies there are.
So it's just phenomenal the quotient for life out there.
It's just so much.
And one more question if I may.
Has the sound that you have recorded, has it been tested, say, through a depth of water to see what it would sound like through that and through other atmospheric mediums?
Oh, that's a very interesting... Thank you all the way from Germany.
Thank you for the call.
That's a really interesting question, isn't it?
You know, it almost sounds... When you listen to the background noise, it sounds like it's in space or underwater.
Yeah.
It has a real strange sound to it, so...
Again, you've got to be able to reproduce with a lot of bass.
You've got to have a lot of bass to really hear the full range of this thing.
So, that's all I would say.
I know that a lot of people aren't hearing it properly on their radios.
A lot of this needs more analysis, and it's brand new.
I mean, the March 10th landing is very new.
And we have shifted out to certain people, and a couple of them I don't want to mention their name because, you know, until we get the evidence back it might change the outcome.
All right.
Yeah, we don't want to do that.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with James Gilliland.
Hi.
Hi, James.
This is Tim from Longmont.
I'm wondering, do these beings believe in a higher power?
Yeah, we've talked about that earlier.
They do.
They believe in God.
You might say they have a different image of it than we do.
It's much more expansive than the images that most people have on earth.
I'll tell you what's really interesting is that I was giving a talk at Mount Shasta and a yogi was there and when I showed these really large golden ships, the photographs we have of them, he just jumped up and down and got all excited.
And it's hard to get a yoga excited.
Yeah, and he goes, those are the gods, you know, the ancient gods that they refer to in their ancient texts.
So it's kind of, you know, in Ezekiel he covers this quite a bit when he gives some pretty elaborate descriptions of shiny metallic discs coming out of the firmament.
They have calves feet that are bronze and fire and brimstone coming out from underneath them.
They sound like a thousand rushing rivers when they land.
In Amos and Job they talk about the Pleiades and Orion and the other systems.
So it's in all the ancient texts.
Even on our site we have quite a few frescoes that are undeniable that have pictures of Mary.
And Jesus and Joseph in there with UFOs painted right into the background.
Did they explain to you, to your understanding, the concept of always was?
Of what?
Always was.
Of always was?
Yes.
Yes, it's timeless.
Say what?
I don't understand the always was.
Alright, well I don't know if anybody understands always was.
In other words, something that has always been is probably as incomprehensible to us as... If you don't get time, you always are.
As there being no end, you know, how high is the sky, Daddy?
Yeah.
Where does the sky end?
Does it come to some sort of brick wall?
Well, that's a concept we can't quite grasp.
But he was talking about always was.
In other words, there has always been something.
Yes.
Yeah, they explain it as, the best way they could explain it to me was they said it's the one consciousness that encompasses all consciousness on all planes and all dimensions throughout the multiverses and that same consciousness is within the individual and we can expand that.
We can believe we're just a person now in the body or we can expand in consciousness and merge with the one consciousness.
A wild card line, you're on the air with James.
Hi.
Hey, I got a couple questions here real quick.
You said that you think meat and other foods too, like we do?
Well, I'm the one who threw in meat.
He said primarily they're vegans, but a little bit of meat I guess.
Would that explain the cattle mutilations then?
Oh, now that's a good question.
Cattle mutilations and crop circles are both good questions.
Maybe James has some insight into those.
Sure.
Yeah, I do.
It seems that that goes into a gray area, no pun intended, because there are lower level contacts, you might say.
And when you start talking about the grays, which are the little guys with the black eyes that most people hear about and talk about, that's where you have the cattle mutilation things going on and things of that nature.
And some of the gray contacts seem to be benevolent and they don't have a problem with them and some
of them seem to be malevolent.
It looks as though they were doing a lot of experimentation with cattle because cattle
are at the top of the food chain and they can really check out the environment through
the animals higher up on the food chain as far as all the contaminants and pollutants.
Well, if that is what they're checking on, it's no wonder they're concerned.
Caller?
Yeah, you also said that they've stepped in in case of a nuclear war or something like that.
So what about, like, a life-threatening disease that we can't cure?
Will they step in with that pretty soon?
You know, it's sad because if you look at our society, we're pretty much run by the oil company, by the pharmaceutical companies, and you really look at it in the war industry, And the enemy of the war industry is peace.
And the enemy of the pharmaceutical companies is the cure.
And the oil companies would be free energy.
And so people wonder why is our planet so messed up right now?
And to me the answer is obvious is that we have to start demanding that our leadership choose universal peace and brother sisterly love and a strong reverence for life.
And then we'll turn this planet around.
But the way it's set up right now, anytime you do come out with a cure, if it's a cheap, inexpensive cure, you're not going to see it.
It's just going to disappear, get squashed or banned.
Money rules and everybody else walks.
Old story.
Still as true today as ever, unfortunately.
I don't understand what is so wrong with the evolution of us right now, though.
If they're so far ahead of us, why not help us out?
Yeah, I think that's a good question.
Yeah, they are on certain levels, but their hands are tied again by free will.
And a lot of us have chosen to support this kind of society.
We've chosen to be a part of it and we work within it and draw sustenance from it.
So it's kind of like, you know, we can't go in there and force somebody to quit their job, force somebody to not participate in pollution.
Yeah, that's all true.
Yeah, you can't go in there and force people to change.
People have to make that change within.
But without having the transformational experience that you did, that change is rather unlikely, isn't it?
Yes, it's going to be, you know, I think The best thing that ever happened to me was that near-death experience, the drowning I experienced, because I was in commercial real estate when it happened.
And I had people working for me, and I had the fast car, the boat, the truck, all that, and all the outer appearances.
And it did a major shift in my life, and I let that go.
And I'm fine with it.
Gotcha.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Gilliland.
Hi.
Hi, my name's Eric.
I'm calling from Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Yes, sir.
I have a couple of questions I'd like to ask.
The first one is, with abductions, what have they said about the abduction of people and experimentation and so on?
Here, here.
Yeah, they've talked about that, and that goes back to the Grays and some other government projects and things of that nature.
So that's kind of, again, like I say, it's a gray area.
It's intertwined.
It's mixed.
And what I'm seeing now is the abduction phenomenon is taking a whole new light and where it was a lot of fear and experimentation and things of that nature, the majority of it is changing right now and it's becoming more of a teaching and learning experience and kind of a symbiotic relationship.
It's changing its nature.
There still is some negativity going on in the low level context.
It is diminishing and being phased out.
Okay, well as far as physics is concerned, have you seen anything about things like going forward in time, back in time, and general physics about the universe that might be interesting?
Yeah, that's a good question.
Anything about the nature of the universe and physics that either we have wrong or have yet to learn or... Yeah, a lot of what they're giving us right now, believe it or not, is in the crop circles.
And they're showing us where we went wrong along the line in physics, and they're doing it through sacred geometry, and showing us how we have the formulas incorrect.
Actually, I'm having a person here named Nathim Harriman, who's just phenomenal in this area, and he takes you all the way through, explains still point energy, free energy, the You know, the universe and creation and the whole nine yards and talks about the crop circles and what they're trying to show us.
And when he lays his the sacred geometry out and shows how you go from the tetrahedron on out in a dual universe, the way we have a dual universe, it all lays out.
But we're only looking at one side of the spectrum, which is the radioactive side of the universe.
It's the big bang or the expanding balloon theory.
Right.
But the problem is with an expanding balloon, you also have to have contraction on the other side.
And they're saying there is no contraction.
It's like an expanding balloon.
And I love what Nassim says.
He goes, well, what about the lungs blowing it up?
So this is how you get the still point energy.
We have a generative side of the universe and a radioactive side.
I apologize if this has already been discussed because I work during part of the show, but the question is regarding the sound.
with James Gilliland. Hi. Hi, this is Kanan Cohen from Burns, Oregon. Hi Art. Hi there.
Hello Kanan. I apologize if this has already been discussed because I worked during part
of the show, but the question is regarding the sound. I heard not very long ago that
this scientist stepped out on a limb and said that cats purr and actually heal themselves
That's not, yes.
And I was, when I came in and heard that sound, the first thing that came to my mind is it reminded me of that rolling purr of a cat.
And I just wondered if that could be a sound that they, you know, There's a cosmic pulse or like a heartbeat that goes throughout the universe that connects everything.
And again, this is what's interesting is I asked them about that sound.
The first thing I asked them, I go, what were you doing over at Portland State University?
And what they told me was it was called higher learning.
And so they're working with all the students over there in their dream state and in their sleep state.
They're actually preparing them.
on different levels and teaching them. It does have a real healing, calming effect when
you hear that. Yeah, I just immediately relaxed and could feel it in your chest. It was just very calming. Yeah, I
agree with that.
It does trigger some very ancient knowledge too it seems because I've seen people listen
to that pulse and just go into trance and come back and go, what happened?
Wow.
Where'd I go?
And they went into some old memories and started remembering all kinds of things.
All right, caller?
Yeah, thank you very much.
Okay, thank you.
I think we've got time for one more.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with James Gilliland.
Hi.
Hi.
I'm Dawn from Utah.
Hi, Dawn.
And I love your show.
Thank you.
New listener.
I was wondering if they'd ever had a situation.
I was on my way to work one time when I was in California about ten years ago.
And I know I was on time when I left because I was still living at home at the time and spoke to my mother, but when I clocked into work I was two hours late.
Now I know at some point I lost two hours of time, but I don't know what occurred.
So I suppose you went to your boss and said, listen boss, I lost two hours.
They thought I was an idiot and I called home to make sure that I was not losing my mind.
It's a really original excuse and I'm remembering it.
Yes, but I'm wondering if I'll tell you what happened to me and it's been documented too.
I was working on remodeling a house and I had to be in Beaverton, Oregon early in the morning.
I took off at 8 o'clock and I made it there.
I will tell you what happened to me and it has been documented too.
I was working on remodeling a house and I had to be in Beaverton, Oregon early in the
morning.
I took off at 8 o'clock and I made it there at 8.15 I was walking in the door and this
is about an hour plus drive because I was going from the Dalles, Oregon.
It's about an hour and a half drive or so.
I did the whole drive in 15 minutes.
When I walked in the door, I didn't remember any scenery, anything, and I could not figure out how I got to the off ramp so quickly.
So when I walked in the door, the person I was meeting there, I said, At the other place where I left, we called, and I said, hey, you're not going to believe this.
I'm in Oregon, and they didn't believe me.
They thought I was on a cell phone.
And to this day, neither one of them believe that I left one house and was at the other house.
They're still struggling with it.
Ma'am, I hate to cut you off, but... That's fine.
At least I know I'm not the only one.
We're out of show.
Thank you very much for the call.
James, we are out of show.
Okay.
We're out of time.
You and I probably have other things we are going to be doing together that we'll announce later.
But for what you did tonight, my eternal thanks.
Oh, thank you.
It was quite a job explaining all of this.
It's a lot to get out.
Oh, there's much more.
I'm sure there is, but for staying up late with us and explaining all of this, and by the way, good luck to your webmaster.
That link is up there now, and I suggest you all go take a look at it right now.
Otherwise, the website, give it to them.
Okay, it's eceti.org.
Yeah, and on the front page too are all the places I'll be speaking.
E-C-E-T-I?
Mm-hmm.
Dot org.
Dot org.
All right.
And I'll be speaking at all the conferences, you know, the major conferences and everything, and all the information is on the front side there where we'll be sharing this evidence and the landings and everything.
Good night, my friends.
Thank you.
Take care.
James Gilliland.
Absolutely incredible, huh?
Ta-ta!
Oh, I'm so excited!
I'm so excited!
I'm so excited!
Oh, I'm so excited!
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Oh my, there's so much going on.
Just a little more station-keeping business, and that is pretty good news, actually.
For those of you who follow such things, I usually try and give out the information as it comes in.
The Winter Ratings Book.
That's the Winter Ratings book.
It has just come out in the first major cities across the U.S.
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Really is incredible.
We have it up on the website.
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Matt Drudge broke the news about that.
But, oh my goodness.
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Now, the work that I've got to do tonight is stacking up fast, and we've got a lot to do.
I've got Deke Richards on the phone.
This time, not a cell phone, but for his immediate safety, in a public place, on a regular phone, so he'll be easier to hear.
He told a story the other night you might not have heard, because it occurred late in the program.
It's a story, virtually, of a second Roswell.
That you may never have heard before.
There was so much interest the first time he told the story, and I mean from the highest level UFO researchers, that I thought before I turned his phone number, and he's authorized me to do that, over to them, that I would bring him on the air one more time and let him tell his incredible story.
And there are a couple things we haven't heard before.
We'll get to those.
This is about a crash retrieval with bodies in Germany, folks.
Serious story.
Also a very serious story.
We're following what's going on at the bottom of the world.
Now, the mainstream news tells me I see AP, a rescue plane, completed the perilous first leg of flight home from the South Pole, carrying an ailing American doctor across Antarctica before landing at a base near the coast.
The propeller plane carrying Dr. Ronald Cheminsky, who's suffering from a gallbladder ailment,
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