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April 5, 2001 - Art Bell

02:40:41

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Albert Taylor - The Shadow People, OBEs

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	♪♪ From the high desert and the great American Southwest,
	I bid you all good evening and or good morning, wherever you may be across this great land of ours and
	beyond.
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	Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the pole, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Cheerio, everybody, and...
	I would like to welcome KSRV in Ontario, Oregon.
	1380 on the dial in Ontario, Oregon.
	Welcome to the network.
	And good luck.
	I always wonder... I really do, too.
	You know, some program director and manager who are sitting there at some new radio station that has just come on that very night.
	And you never know what we're going to be doing, right?
	And they've signed up for it because they know it's a very popular show and the ratings are good and, you know, for whatever reasons they do it, they've got an opening at night.
	Sure, we'll give it a try.
	And then they're sitting there and by about an hour later they've got their heads in their hands going, oh, what have I done?
	So, listen for a while.
	It takes a while to grow on you.
	Alright, so what's going on in the world?
	Uh, I see the Prime Minister in Japan is going to resign.
	One of Japan's most unpopular in decades told his cabinet Friday that that's it, he will resign.
	Didn't set a date though.
	Seems like Japanese Prime Ministers come and go a lot lately.
	Have you noticed that?
	How many have we had in the last few years?
	Somebody do a count for me, it's a lot.
	I know that.
	Listen, tonight I'm going to let you talk about the shadow people.
	Now, the reason is because in the next hour I've got a guest who may have something to bear on the shadow people.
	Albert Taylor has written now a couple of books on out-of-body experiences, OBEs, and there is every reason to believe that OBEs would be a prime candidate For the Shadow People.
	I just don't know what to do with this topic anymore.
	I want an expert on the Shadow People and I don't know where you get an expert on the Shadow People.
	I have in excess now of 4,000 emails from people who have seen Shadow People.
	4,000 emails!
	Sitting in there.
	I'm not sure what to do with them.
	I've got them in a special shadow person section in my computer.
	And I'm sort of holding them.
	And every time I look at them, I go, God, we've stumbled into something really big, really big, and I don't know what to do with it.
	So you want to talk about shadow people tonight?
	Fine.
	Come on ahead.
	Let's rock.
	I've got to get to the bottom of this somehow.
	That's much too much communication.
	And lately, no matter what subject, if I open the phone, people want to talk about the Shadow People.
	So, obviously, we're on to something really big.
	It's just a matter of what.
	On this program, a lot of times, that's the chief question.
	What?
	Oh.
	Hi, Mr. Bell.
	How are you?
	Just fine.
	Killed my radio there.
	Good for you.
	I've talked to you a few times now, it's always an honor and a pleasure, about the Shadow People.
	Yes.
	And how I know this, I talked to you about three or four, maybe a week ago, and I explained to you that I've been abducted since I was seven, many, many times.
	One of the things that happens when you get abducted is they kind of erase your short-term memory so that Even though you're not exactly, they always do it at night.
	Take me away, and download my memory, and then that process sort of muddles my short-term memory.
	It's not nearly erasing it completely.
	No, well it does, but it doesn't.
	See, it leaves your long-term memory intact.
	Well, how much do you know about them?
	About what?
	Them.
	Um, a lot, because I'm exposed to it all, and I still get my long-term memory, but I don't remember these things until years later, because the short-term memory's gone.
	But as for the shadow people, and they tell me all sorts of things.
	Well, now, abduction, uh, what does that have to do with shadow people?
	Well, Tuesday, um, when I went up, and sometimes they allow me to remember things.
	Not very often, but when There's some reason, and I don't know what it is, they're far beyond anything we can think of.
	It's really amazing.
	Yes.
	Shadow people are manifestations of our, not so much insecurities, but our concerns or things we should be concerned about.
	Every time you or anybody else sees a shadow person, there's something In that situation, in that environment, that you need to be concerned about.
	Now, they're real, but what it is, is your senses allow you to manifest something to get your attention.
	Some people think that it's death coming to see you.
	Well, they are spirits, but you just can't manifest them when there's no reason.
	That's why there's seances and things like that, because there has to be a reason, there has to be an energy, a connection, A power structure in order for them to manifest themselves to you.
	They just can't do it on their own.
	Alright, I think I've got you.
	We'll have to hold it right there.
	I don't know about that.
	A lot of people have said that they are of the negative side and that they are, you know, maybe the spirits that come and get you when it's your time.
	So somehow I can picture this shadow person standing at the door, just going with his finger.
	Come here, little boy.
	It's your time.
	No, but I don't want to go.
	Come on.
	This way.
	Or maybe not.
	Maybe there's simply people out there having OBEs and a good time, and every now and then when they're seen straight on, they get startled, and they go in the other direction.
	I don't know.
	They might even be ghosts.
	Or they might be them.
	My last callers.
	Them.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	We'll be right back.
	Now here's somebody with what I think is a pretty good idea.
	Remember the DNA that was submitted to scientists in Britain to test?
	They thought it might have been a... a Yeti?
	But the scientists tested the DNA and they... and...
	They say it's not human.
	It's not any mammal they know of or can identify.
	It's good DNA.
	They simply don't know what it belongs to.
	Somebody wrote me an email and suggested that they clone whatever it is and find out what it is.
	Wouldn't that be interesting if you could take a DNA of a completely unknown creature And simply clone it.
	Grow it in the womb of a cow or whatever.
	You imagine the tension while you're waiting for whatever it is?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Oh, hello.
	Um, Art?
	Yes.
	Yes, I'm going to turn my radio off.
	Just a minute.
	Good.
	I'm so surprised I got two.
	Good caller.
	Turn that radio down.
	Yes, it's off now.
	Good.
	About the shadow people?
	Yes.
	There could be more than one type or species of what you call shadow people.
	Some of them could be people who have passed on, as you say, and some of them could be people that are traveling out of their bodies.
	But also I think maybe some of them might be what the people know as the fairies and elves
	and their real names are the powers of nature and forces of the elements.
	I attended a group many years ago and the lady who held it was psychic
	and she could see the beings of the elements and her front door happened to be open
	and she said, oh there's a little fairy and she picked it up.
	We couldn't see it, but she picked it up and she passed it around the room
	and we've had it on our lap.
	She, excuse me, she picked it up.
	Right, I mean, she had seen it before.
	Dear little fairy, let me cup you in my hand and pass the fairy around.
	Yeah.
	And then each one of you held out your hand and held the fairy?
	Yeah, we thought we did.
	So in other words, to be honest, you didn't see the fairy.
	To be honest, I didn't.
	But you held out your hand anyway.
	Yes, because I wanted to hold it.
	You didn't feel any little fairy feet.
	But can I tell you another thing?
	But I want to get this straight.
	You felt no little fairy feet on your palm?
	Absolutely not.
	Okey-dokey.
	Alright, yes.
	The other thing is, a woman who went to the church I used to go to, it is the I Am Church, you know, it's by the Ascended Masters and cosmic beings, so I feel the woman was telling me the truth.
	Said what?
	In back of her house, there was an alley, and across the alley there was a beautiful tree growing, it was quite an old tree.
	She said one day she came home, She opened her back door and the people that owned the tree across the alley had cut it down.
	And she said she saw one of the little... She had her inner side open so she could see these things.
	And she said there was a little being of the element sitting there crying and it said, My whole life's work is ruined.
	So these little beings do exist.
	I used to have a friend who... I wonder what its disappointment was.
	That the tree was cut down, that it worked all night.
	Oh, I see.
	Yes.
	Oh, I see.
	I also had a friend who, during the Second World War... Okay, we'll have to hold it there.
	The little tree fairy story was good.
	I don't know, would you do that?
	I mean, if somebody came to you and said, why?
	Why, look at this!
	It's a fairy!
	Let me get this little fairy.
	Ah, there's the little fairy.
	Here, you hold him.
	I mean, would you, would you hold out your hand?
	Well, you might.
	And, you might.
	I'm not sure I would.
	But anyway, there you'd be with your hand held out, feeling no fairy feet, no fairy weight, seeing no fairy.
	Just having to imagine there's a fairy there, and sort of playing along, because there's a bunch of other people there, and they're all saying, hey, the fairy!
	And you're going, hmm.
	Hey, little guy.
	Huh.
	I don't know.
	I would say about 80% of my audience knows who Dr. Albert Taylor is.
	But that's only 80%.
	So, we'll make you familiar with Albert Taylor and out-of-body experiences.
	It's real.
	Out-of-body experiences are as real as the rain that hits your face on a rainy day.
	I mean, they're just absolutely real.
	What they mean, what they're really all about, where you go and what you do during them.
	Those are all really interesting questions.
	But we'll cover OBEs from the get-go and give you sort of the short version of what an OBE is.
	Bear in mind and be patient with me because remember there's a lot of new listeners out there who have no idea what this is all about.
	For their sake, uh, we're gonna go over it a little bit here in the beginning, and then we'll branch out, and no doubt, uh, before very long at all, we'll get and we'll... Well, in honor of the lady who called last hour... Ha ha ha ha, she was really cute.
	She was talking about a fairy.
	I don't know how many of you heard that.
	She said this lady went to her door and said, oh, look, a fairy.
	And she went over and she picked up the fairy.
	Which, I guess nobody could see but the lady.
	And she brought it in her little cupped hand, and she handed it to my caller, who held her hand out, and held the little fairy.
	And I said, well, could you feel any little fairy feet?
	No.
	Could you see a little fairy?
	No.
	Did you just sort of go along with it because everybody else thought that it was a fairy?
	Well, yeah.
	And so, in honor of that lady, who I kind of had fun with, For all I know, she was holding a fairy.
	Just couldn't see it and feel it.
	I have taken a special photograph on my webcam.
	Which you can now see.
	I had one photograph up there, but it was irresistible, so you can see me holding my little fairy.
	That's on my website.
	www.artbell.com And then go to, uh, program and, uh, webcam and, and, uh, this photograph is honor of the fairy lady.
	All right.
	Now to become serious, if that's possible.
	Uh, Dr. Albert Taylor came to my rescue and I to his, I suppose, uh, some years ago when people called up and said, Art, it was almost like the, the shadow people, you know, it's so close in a lot of ways to the way we began our relationship.
	The shadow people story.
	I was getting all these.
	One person called and said, Art, I was in bed one night and I froze and I couldn't move.
	I was literally paralyzed.
	And then sometimes people would say, well, I'd actually move up out of my body or I'd move down into the mattress out of my body, but out of body.
	But mostly this paralyzed moment, and I'd had it myself as I've seen these little Whatever in God's name they are that you see in peripheral vision.
	I had had this frozen feeling myself in that twilight of sleep or whatever it is and we couldn't figure out what it could be and I started getting as I am now then I got hundreds of emails now I get thousands on a subject like this and I had hundreds of people saying exactly the same thing and We hadn't talked about OBEs.
	OBEs had not been talked about on this program.
	I didn't even know what an OBE was at that point.
	And to the rescue came Dr. Albert Taylor, who's written a book on the subject.
	On OBEs.
	And we've interviewed him many times before.
	Here he is, Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hi, Dr. Taylor.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Art.
	That was a great introduction.
	Well, it was a true one.
	Great to be back.
	That's how it happened, right?
	That's exactly how it happened.
	It was a miracle.
	Well, maybe a miracle, yes.
	You never know.
	And you had written a book called what?
	Soul Traveler.
	Soul Traveler, which everybody can still get, I take it, on Amazon.com.
	It's still available and still moving like the wind.
	Soul Traveler outlines, actually, in the beginning of it, I wish I had an expert as well-defined to answer the questions, maybe you're the guy, on Shadow People as on OBEs, but your book actually began with this Experience, didn't it?
	This, uh... Paralyzed, whatever it is... Sleep paralysis.
	Sleep paralysis, yes.
	Uh, it's actually extremely, extremely frightening if it's not happened to you before.
	Definitely.
	You're sort of half asleep, but then you're paralyzed.
	You literally cannot will yourself to move a little finger.
	Right.
	You're just frozen, and that's scary.
	I mean, a lot of people would think maybe I'm having a heart attack or a stroke.
	I'm dying.
	I'm dying, sure.
	Absolutely.
	Something like that.
	And a lot of people have had it.
	It's the beginning.
	It is like a precursor to an OBE, isn't it?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	That's the wonderful thing about it.
	It still makes it very difficult to wade through that paralysis state to achieve an OBE.
	It's still difficult even to this day for me.
	But what a reward it is.
	It's a fantastic experience.
	And you've had one, so you can almost, you can testify to that.
	Yeah, but I wasn't a volunteer.
	That's right, I was not a volunteer.
	I'll tell you, up until 35 years old, neither was I. And when I first had the paralyzing moments, it scared the you-know-what out of me.
	It really, it honestly did.
	I really thought something was physically, you know, profoundly wrong and I might be dying or something, having a stroke is what I thought actually.
	And it wasn't that at all.
	And I pulled myself out of it.
	I willed myself out of it.
	I wouldn't let myself go one inch further.
	And I tried to will myself back to normal.
	And I think that would be an average reaction.
	You try to will yourself back to normal.
	Because I didn't know what was happening to me.
	Right.
	And fear set in.
	And fear of the unknown.
	And the safest place to be is back in our physical body in the waking state and not in this bizarre flying mode or whatever you want to call it.
	So it's a natural response if you don't know what it is.
	Well, even when I had mine, it still scared the you-know-what out of me, although...
	At least you've been to ground school.
	You know, I'm sorry, Albert, but you know what?
	I had done an interview with you, and when it happened to me, it didn't help me a bit.
	No, it didn't help me a bit.
	I'm serious.
	I mean, when it happened in Paris, and I'll tell briefly, here it is again, my wife and I were on vacation in Paris.
	I was out of my normal routine, when I eat, when I sleep, time zones, blah, blah, blah, on vacation in Paris, and I, all of a sudden, lying in bed, Boom!
	I was above the city of Paris.
	I could actually look down on the city of Paris.
	In fact, I did.
	In my peripheral vision, as it were.
	But that was not the center of what was happening to me.
	What was happening to me was an ecstasy that is indescribable.
	Right.
	It really, really it is.
	And extremely memorable.
	And, oh, indelibly imprinted on my memory.
	Right.
	Boom!
	Like that!
	I was back in my body, waking up my wife, annoying her, telling her what had just happened to me.
	I was so, you know, I had adrenaline going like crazy, but I was so surprised and shocked by it that I instantly went back to my body.
	There is no question.
	I was out of my body, but I didn't know it was coming on.
	I didn't wish for it.
	I didn't try for it.
	I didn't know how to control it.
	In fact, none of that went through my mind.
	I just freaked out and I was back in my body that fast.
	And that's been the extent of my travels.
	Well, Art, you remember, the way my book begins is that all it is is a diary of me having these experiences, which went from the age five, I would have them once a week.
	And then suddenly, for whatever reason, at age 35, they increased from once a week to several times a week, and then several times a night.
	Well if they were happening to you once a week, Albert, you would have to learn to deal
	with them.
	The frequency of them alone would cause you eventually, I suppose, to be less afraid of
	them.
	No, you weren't in the room when I was five years old and I went into my grandmother's room and I wanted to know what it was and she told me that it was the witches coming to steal my soul because I was bad the day before.
	Did she really tell you that?
	Yes, she really said that.
	So, with that kind of thing hanging over your head, you're going to be fighting it and you're not going to want to see what's beyond the paralysis.
	That's for sure.
	Coming to steal your soul.
	And so you thought that for how long?
	A lot of years.
	And in my family, see, even to this day, several members of my family have this experience a lot, just like me, except they haven't gone beyond the paralysis.
	So even to this day, when I would try to talk to them about it and mention it, either I would get some kind of fearful condemnation, like I was bad, or they just didn't want to talk about it at all because they were terrified of it.
	I've never heard of out-of-body experiences or any of that thing.
	All I knew was about this witch riot thing, and I knew that not only was I having the paralysis, but at age five, something was moving around my room, and something was calling my name.
	But I had no one to talk to it about.
	And then later... Wait a minute, calling your name?
	Yes.
	That terrified me so much when I was five years old.
	I can't, it's almost, I can remember it to this day, 40 years later.
	Yeah, that would be terrifying because, and I hate to bring it up already, this shadow people thing, but even last hour we were kind of talking about that a little bit and one possibility of the shadow people is, you know, Mr. Death coming to get you, right?
	And if something in a dark, shrouded, hooded Black, indecipherable figure comes and sort of raises a hand to you, beckoning, Albert.
	A bony, pointed finger.
	That's right, bony.
	Albert, Albert.
	And then you remember what Grandma said.
	I'd fly away.
	Oh, absolutely, out of here.
	Yes, so that had to be part of what you were thinking about in a way.
	Definitely, definitely.
	I didn't know.
	I can tell you this, the first thing I did jump to, the conclusion I first jumped to was that it was negative.
	It was not a positive thing, it was something that was a bad thing, and then growing up in Catholicism, a lot of people would say if it's not of God, it's of the devil, so I had all of these things in my head to try to decipher and figure out what was happening, and none of them were positive, so of course it frightened me terribly.
	You have hence and since learned not only to deal with the fear that comes with that moment of being paralyzed, but going beyond it, which is a real key, and then actually leaving your body, right?
	And when you leave your body, You can literally go anywhere.
	Anywhere.
	You could go to the living room, the bathroom.
	Anywhere you can focus your thoughts on.
	The bathroom could be convenient sometimes.
	Right.
	Or to the moon.
	Anywhere you can focus your thoughts on.
	Or beyond.
	And you can prove that it's real, not baloney.
	In other words, what you see when you leave your body can be later confirmed, correct?
	Yeah, definitely.
	That's one of the things, see, I thought it was, as I got past the witch rides superstition, I started thinking, well, this is just a lucid dream.
	And that was okay, because I was having fun, I was flying, and if it's just, I knew I was having the experience, and if it was a lucid dream, then so be it.
	But when someone, a doctor who had a near-death experience, I attended her class and she was the first one that ever even asked me the question of if I was having night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
	And she was the very first person that suggested that it was more than just a lucid dream.
	So I didn't believe her.
	I was very skeptical about it.
	So the first thing I did is I told her, well, it's happening to me almost every night.
	And if it's really happening, then I'm going to try and come see you.
	I said that kind of skeptically.
	And I really didn't think it would work, and I had no confidence in it, but I knew it was happening in a lot.
	And because I'm a scientist, I figured, you know, process of elimination, that would at least be something that didn't work.
	But I was surprised that I did have, after leaving the physical body, after having the paralysis, after making my request, I felt some strange presence around me.
	And next thing I knew, I was in the same flying mode that I had been in for years and years and years.
	There was no difference.
	Except that I couldn't control the direction, because I guess I had already made my request, but I could control the altitude and the speed in which I would fly.
	I would so love to do that, Albert.
	I really want to fly.
	I really want to fly.
	And if that's the only way I can fly, I'll take it.
	Desire is 90% of it, Art.
	It seems like you have one after I talk to you, so you never know what might happen tonight.
	If you get relaxed enough and your life is going really well for you, that can open the door right there.
	And here's another thing that people don't understand, just before we proceed.
	Your background is in the hard sciences.
	What was your background before you did this?
	Well, basically, I'd say from the beginning, I've always, as a kid, I've been fascinated by aircraft, things that flew.
	So I joined the Air Force at age 17.
	I became a crew chief of the Lockheed U-2 at 18 years old.
	I supported the U-2 in flying several reconnaissance missions over the Soviet Union.
	A U-2 spy plane, right?
	Oh, definitely.
	By the way, do you have any comment on what's going on in China right now?
	Yeah, I have a lot.
	I kind of like this young lady who sent me the email that said we're really, really sorry that your plane hit ours.
	You know, I don't really think, since we're in international airspace, I don't think we have anything to be apologetic for.
	The faster-moving aircraft is the one who's really responsible in any case, because he can get out of the way a lot faster.
	Sure.
	And he probably was harassing the prop, the turboprop-driven Navy ship.
	And something happened, and they clipped each other, and I think he knocked out two of the engines.
	They landed on only two props.
	And unfortunately, when having a small fighter, it can be gouged and damaged very easily, and probably caught fire and crashed.
	Well, somebody in the administration today said that they knew that Chinese pilot somehow.
	I guess Intel did, and he's a hot dog, they said.
	Yeah, and that happens here.
	That could have very well happened.
	And unfortunately, now this is the whole thing.
	Do you remember when the Russian pilot flew that MiG to, I think it was to Japan one time about 12, 10 years ago?
	I certainly do.
	And the Russians, the Soviets wanted it back, and we did send it back to them after we took the thing apart and blueprinted everything.
	Absolutely, and that's of course what they're doing with ours right now.
	That may very well be.
	To tell you the truth, wouldn't you?
	even if you have an agreement it's a once in a lifetime chance what I said
	the first night absolutely I'd be in there with more Fuji film than they
	could stock it a year that's probably what's happening but um uh before the crew landed they did destroy a lot of uh
	data and That's what I heard.
	And I'm pretty sure they destroyed some of the valuable stuff, but it's just possibly the setup, and then there's a few other things, and maybe some boards and things like that, that they probably can recover.
	I'm sure.
	Anyway, we're drifting.
	So you worked with the U-2 crew team?
	Right.
	I worked in the 9th OMS, which was the Lockheed U-2 and the SR-71 joined together.
	Then what?
	And then I left there because of my experience on Skunk Works aircraft, which both of those are.
	I joined Skunk Works in Burbank, California on the design team of the Stealth Fighter.
	Which it wasn't known, it was called Senior Year, no, Senior Spear back then.
	What became the F-117?
	Which became the F-117A.
	That was back in the late 70s, and then from there I wanted to work on a larger aircraft, and I think President Reagan had just gotten back in office, and he restarted, rekindled the B-1 bomber program, which was killed by, I think, Jimmy Carter.
	So I started working on the B-1.
	On design of the flight control systems and the rotary launcher which launched the cruise missiles, things like that.
	So you were really heavy duty hardware, right?
	Definitely, definitely.
	So how you got from there to here is what we'll look at next.
	Hold on, stay right there, we'll be right back.
	A very old friend came by today Cause he was telling everyone in town
	Of the love that he'd just found And the reasoning of his latest flame
	He talked and talked, and I heard him say That she had the longest, blackest hair
	The prettiest green eyes anywhere And the reasoning of his latest flame
	When you see the light of day You'll see the light of day
	You'll see the light of day ...on the Premier Radio Network.
	Oh, I've always wanted to fly.
	This kind of flying.
	Suspended.
	Floating.
	Moving.
	Flying.
	I, uh... Of course, I tried it in Alaska with a hang glider, because I thought that'd be the closest thing to it.
	I broke my arm.
	Compound fracture.
	Very disappointing.
	The actual flight time was... in the seconds.
	The crashing time was... Anyway, you get the idea.
	So since then I've wanted to try it and someone told me that if I would just get on an ultralight with it, with an engine, it would be all right.
	I've been thinking about that real hard.
	There's a vice president of Intel Corporation who's a good friend of mine and he wants to take me up, up and away.
	And I've been thinking real hard about it.
	My wife keeps saying no.
	My boss keeps saying no.
	And I keep thinking yes.
	So, we'll see.
	Maybe one of these days, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
	If not, then there is Dr. Albert Taylor's way.
	And it seems like they're going to bring back the outer limits.
	22 brand new episodes of The Outer Limits is gonna be on the Sci-Fi Channel.
	And they wanted to come on the program, so, hmm.
	You bet.
	Ah, The Outer Limits.
	What a great show that was.
	So, at some point, we will have the people from Outer Limits on.
	Didn't know that was coming back, did you?
	So anyway, that's how I feel about this.
	Flying.
	God, I would love to fly.
	And that's what it is.
	It is... Tell me it is like that, Albert.
	Well, I'd say it's even better than that.
	Because you don't have to worry about crashing.
	You're breaking an arm.
	That's a very good point.
	How did you get your doctorate?
	What is your doctorate in?
	I went to Trinity University and my doctorate is in psychology, but my master's is in aeronautical engineering.
	All right.
	Well, then you're well equipped, I guess, to speak on both subjects.
	You're right.
	You wouldn't crash.
	That's the way to fly and not Well, I tell you, I broke my arm eight months ago.
	And I thought I was, I got the young fever or whatever you call it, and I bought one of these motorized go-pad things, and I ended up getting dumped into the street and broke my arm.
	It's really annoying, isn't it?
	Well, I waited 45 years to break a bone, I don't know.
	I broke my leg in life.
	Where'd you break it?
	Right at the elbow.
	I have pins right now on my elbow.
	Really?
	I broke mine two inches above the elbow.
	Oh.
	Bad, bad, bad.
	But you know, I do a lot of ultralight window shopping, too.
	That's kind of interesting that you mention that.
	By the way, you'll notice Albert sounds better now.
	We have switched phones and we now have good audio.
	Much better phone, Albert.
	Thank you.
	Much better phone.
	Alright, so...
	I was telling you a little bit about my background.
	Yeah, this really is possible though, this flying business really is possible.
	Oh yeah, definitely.
	And tons, I mean thousands, since I first, we first did the first show back in, I think it was 96.
	Was it really that long ago?
	Yeah, I think yeah it was, right after the book came out.
	Since then, God, time is flying hard.
	Since then, literally hundreds of thousands of people have written me and come to the lectures and all kinds of things talking about their experiences.
	I mean, right now I have just tons of letters I haven't been able to get a hold, get to, because there's so many people now having these experiences.
	I've even been getting some on the shadow people.
	Oh, really?
	Yes.
	All right.
	It really is an exact parallel.
	People... I tell you, Albert, when we first started talking about this being paralyzed stuff...
	I would get letters from people who were in tears.
	They were in tears because they thought it only happened to them.
	They thought they were the only ones and they were terrified of it, talking about it.
	They didn't talk to people about it.
	They thought something might have been chronically or fatally, you know, wrong with them or whatever.
	And they were in tears when they would hear that it was a very common thing.
	This doggone shadow people thing It's exactly the same way.
	There are people in tears out there who are writing to me saying, my God, Art, I've been seeing them all my life.
	I'm afraid to talk to anybody about them.
	A lot of people were told by parents or grandparents, just like you were.
	Right.
	That it's something negative.
	Yeah, something negative.
	That's right.
	Kneel down and pray.
	Right.
	That sort of thing.
	And I've got these thousands of emails stacked up and I don't know what to do with it or the subject, Albert.
	Well, I have some interesting stories that might help you a little bit.
	Let me ask you about this.
	A lot of people have said they see the shadow people not just in peripheral vision, but straight on.
	And when they see them, at times, the shadow people realize that they're being seen.
	And when they do, they're gone.
	Like that.
	Some of us have theorized that one possible answer could be OBEs.
	Yes, that is one-third of the answer.
	Well, as a matter of fact, that's two-thirds of the answer.
	The OBE category gets divided into living and dead, because, I mean, a near-death experience, leaving the physical body, that type of thing is still an OBE.
	The other kind could be yourself in a way, but it has to do with the difference in time shift and reality and physical plane shift.
	But these are the very rare ones.
	The most common one that probably people will see are the ones that are people who do not live or are deceased or are in between lives.
	And the reason, I have a couple of interesting stories that I'd like to share with you that kind of might give you a little bit of an idea of what I'm talking about.
	Are all of these, Albert, in the same realm?
	Yes.
	Whether you're somebody who's recently passed?
	Yes.
	Or somebody existing in another realm, or somebody in an OBE, all traveling within the same realm?
	Okay, but see, you have to take out of this whole equation the physical realm, a place, a location.
	Because we're not talking about any of those.
	Even though we here, with the physical body and the five senses, are very aware of our three-dimensional world.
	But in that case, they have no limitations like that.
	And what it is, is really a vibratory level.
	And that's why sometimes when you see them, depending on how turned up your five senses are, the more turned up your five senses are, the less you're going to be able to perceive these things.
	And so when you try to look and you try to focus on what you thought you saw out of the corner of your eye, you no longer can perceive it.
	It's only when you're not thinking about it that you kind of see something move around you.
	Now what happens is, in the lowest area of perceiving these things, you perceive it as a dark humanoid type shape.
	Generally transparent shape.
	It's moving rapidly because it's independent of your time frame.
	So it can move out of your vision very, very rapidly without you even seeing which direction it went.
	At a higher level, it's usually because of an altered state, or you're nearing, like, an out-of-body consciousness.
	But they can also happen when you're nearing the point of death, or about to die.
	People in hospices start seeing the shadows in the early part of their life degrading, and then right before the day they leave, they can see it even clearer, and sometimes even see the physical person standing there.
	Now my uncle, he passed away a few years ago and a couple days before he passed away at Veterans Memorial Hospital, I was talking to him and occasionally he would look over my shoulder as if he was seeing something and I'd look like someone walked in the room and there was nothing there and I'd look back at him and he would look at me puzzled like he didn't really want to say what he thought he saw.
	A few days later I got a call saying that he was on his last leg and only had a few more hours to live and yet he was still conscious.
	When I came into the room and I sat there next to the bed talking to him, he looked over and he said to me, and this was before I started having these out of body experiences and things, he said to me, who is that standing over in the corner of the room smiling at me?
	And I looked over my shoulder, there was no one I could see there.
	But because his life was ebbing away, slowly but surely, that meant he was slowly turning down the volume on his five senses, and starting to turn up the volume on his extra senses, the ones that we have in the out-of-body state, or at a higher level.
	And then, the next day after that, he passed away.
	So, that tells you that at the very low level, they're very hard to perceive.
	They're glimpses, shadows, whispers of wind, that kind of thing.
	And at the higher level of consciousness, or nearing the point of death, leaving the physical body, then we can perceive these a lot more.
	Wow, that's some story.
	I have another story about a similar kind of thing, where a friend of mine had a near-death experience.
	Who never believed in any of these things at all.
	He never even thought... I told him I was having out of body experiences and he said, yeah, that's kind of crazy Al, but I love you anyway.
	He really thought I was nuts.
	And I've known him for years.
	But one day, he woke up, he had a respiratory problem.
	He was taken to the hospital, an emergency.
	Right before he got out of the car, he had excruciating pains in his chest.
	They put him on a gurney, and he said when they laid him back on the gurney, he knew he had taken his last breath.
	He clutched his chest.
	All of a sudden, there was a loud pop.
	And then next thing he knew, he was staring.
	He was outside of a crowd of people working on this guy on a gurney.
	And he was looking at the doctors, and he thought to himself, why are you working on him?
	You should be working on me.
	And just as he said that, All of a sudden, these beings, like several of them, not one, just one or two, but maybe eight or nine, surrounded him toward the back.
	And it didn't scare him.
	He felt as if he knew them.
	He couldn't identify them, but he felt definitely that he knew them.
	And one of the beings told him, you don't have to stay here if you don't want to.
	You can go with us.
	and he told me he said he really for a few seconds he really thought about going with
	him because he really felt that he wanted to go somewhere that he had really left or
	kind of like returning home kind of feeling. But then he thought about the people that he would
	be leaving behind his kids and things like that and he made his decisions to stay.
	Just about that time, a nurse came running out of the hospital, put this apparatus on the guy on the gurney that they were working on, and next thing he knew, he felt this extreme acceleration, and he felt like as if he was slammed onto the gurney.
	He was staring up at the crowd, a circle of people staring at him, and looking at him and saying, you're not going to die, you'll be alright.
	Well, that in itself was okay.
	What did they do?
	Did they put paddles on him?
	No, they didn't.
	They put some kind of breathing device on him.
	He was having a respiratory problem.
	And so, he called me up, and here I am, a member of the International Association of Near-Deaf Studies, and my best friend has a near-deaf experience, which is quite weird.
	So, he calls me up, and I go down to the hospital, and he's in the hospital shaking his head, and I said, well, what's wrong?
	What's going on?
	He tells me the full story, and he continues to shake his head.
	I said, well, what happened?
	He said, I didn't know.
	And I said, well, what didn't you know?
	And he kept saying, I didn't know.
	I said, Joe, what didn't you know?
	He said, I didn't know that I was that important.
	I said, well, what do you mean?
	He said, when I was standing there, there were people there waiting for me.
	I didn't know anybody cared.
	He said, there were non-physical people there for me.
	They knew I was there.
	I didn't know I was that important.
	So he couldn't perceive them when he was in the physical, but as soon as he got out of the physical, he could perceive a multitude of people around him who were non-physical beings.
	Wow.
	That's another really neat story.
	How are we to... A lot of people say, Albert, that when we're dying, or when we're having an NDE, or a very traumatic event, Our brain begins a super-production of endorphins to protect itself against what's occurring.
	To cushion the blow of dying, or the pain of dying, or the experience of dying.
	And that's all it is, is a bunch of excited endorphins.
	How do you answer that?
	Well, okay, as a researcher, I'm not going to just jump to conclusions.
	Let's say that is possible.
	Well then I'm going to look at all the cases of everybody who's ever gone to the brink of death and come back.
	And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a list of everything that all of these people have in common.
	And then I'm going to see if there's some similarities.
	Now if it's just a random thing and it is not related to anything beyond the
	body or consciousness that exists beyond the physical, then there should be very few things,
	categories, that match in all of these people that I test. Yeah, that would seem to be true. Right.
	That's how I would look at it. There would be random, you might have the abnormals. It would
	just be helter-skelter, all kinds of wild experiences, nothing that I could, no linear path of
	understanding whatsoever, should just be pandemonium.
	Yes.
	That kind of thing.
	Yes.
	But, that's not the case.
	No matter what your spiritual beliefs are, no matter what your geographical location is, no matter what your academic level of achievement is, no matter what anything, no matter what your gender is, There's multiple patterns of the same type of things people are talking about all over the world.
	And not 100%, but about 70 to 80%, which to me, I think is quite phenomenal and needs to be definitely paid attention to, because that's a pattern that implies some type of proof, or at least is a beginning of an indication of proof.
	So that's what I would look at.
	So they say that endorphins are flooding the brain, but then I can't explain why all these people are talking about the same thing.
	Absolutely fair, yes.
	That's the scientific method.
	That's how you do it, alright.
	That would make me feel better about my own results.
	And then still I would have some doubt, but they would tend to sway me in more of the pattern of thinking of that there is something going on rather than there isn't.
	Um, all right, fine.
	I can accept that.
	And there's really no way, is there, to get proof beyond that point, the gathering of similar cases.
	And if it was just endorphins, you would think you'd get an absolutely random... Right.
	You might get spectacular descriptions of experiences, but you wouldn't get this repetitive experience.
	That's certainly true.
	And looking at it psychologically, You would think that if this was an individual experience, then the experience that they would be able to relate would be based on their individual lives.
	So it would be from their perception or their perspective only.
	How different is the actual dying experience, do you think, from an OBE experience?
	Well, if we're talking about a non-traumatic death, Meaning you haven't been thrown through the windshield or something like that?
	Right.
	I would say it's quite pleasant, quite peaceful, and that leads me to my third story I'd like to share with you.
	Oh, okay.
	Do you remember Sam Keniston?
	Oh, yes.
	The comedian?
	Yes, the screamer.
	He was on his way to Vegas, I believe.
	And his vet with his girlfriend or something and his brother, I believe, was following him behind in the car.
	Sam had an accident.
	He didn't die right away.
	He didn't even know he was critically injured, fatally injured.
	But he got out of the vehicle and he kept walking around saying, I don't want to die, I don't want to die.
	He obviously had internal injuries that cost him his life, but he didn't die right away.
	He began to lay down, and he lay down in his brother's arms.
	And he was telling his brother, I don't want to die, I don't want to die.
	And just then, he stopped talking to his brother, and he looked away for a brief second.
	And as he looked away, then he turned back to his brother, and he smiled.
	And he said, it's okay now.
	It's okay.
	And then he died.
	So, that whatever he saw, And it wasn't, even though he had a trauma.
	How do you know that story?
	Well, I heard his brother tell him on the radio.
	Many times.
	And then I think I read about it in some magazine or something like that.
	But I did hear his brother talk about it.
	And as a matter of fact, his brother even said that up until that point, he had no belief in anything after that.
	But because of that experience with Sam, he began to believe that there had to be something else going on because of the last few minutes of his life and what happened.
	So whatever he wasn't able to perceive in the physical, Well, you're an expert on OBEs.
	When you are in the middle of an OBE, do you see entities that are non-human?
	Oh yes, you can.
	five senses all of a sudden he could perceive something else there that brought him comfort
	and solace.
	Well, you're an expert on OBEs.
	When you are in the middle of an OBE, do you see entities that are non-human?
	Oh yes, you can.
	It's not something that happens a lot, but definitely.
	Because we're just human souls now.
	We're in a human experience.
	But this is, this is not the, we're, we're, I'd say souls are kind of generic and spread all over creation.
	We, our particular, our particular experience here, we're human souls.
	But that doesn't mean that we're the only souls that exist, period.
	Life force, the life force is basically what the soul is made of.
	I had a scientist on, last night I had a scientist on.
	I don't know if you heard him.
	A brilliant, brilliant guy.
	He's going to have his body frozen when he dies because he said, otherwise the only other two choices are cremation and burial.
	There ain't nothing else.
	Nothing.
	So he feels that they're going to reanimate his body later and the soul will come back into the body?
	No, no, he doesn't think we have a soul.
	Oh.
	And I, I talked to him about that.
	I said, you don't think we have a soul?
	He said, where's the evidence?
	That was his answer.
	Question, where's the evidence?
	I would totally agree with him.
	Hold on, hold on.
	We'll do this when we come back, and we will be back.
	We'll be back.
	That could be describing an OBE, couldn't it?
	It sounds like it.
	It really does.
	I've never heard that before.
	I know.
	Well, you've got to stop and listen and apply it and then all of a sudden, boom, there it is.
	Definitely.
	Because of you, my collection of music is growing.
	Well, anyway, I don't even remember where we were.
	Well, we were talking about the guy you had on before.
	and how he didn't have it, he didn't believe there was a soul.
	Ah, that's nice.
	And I totally understand his position 100%.
	And none of the things that I've shared with you over the past few years,
	I would have ever shared with you if it hadn't been for some sort of personal experience.
	And it's just like, you could be the inventor of the bicycle and you could tell me about it.
	You don't have to walk anymore, Al.
	I'd be real skeptical.
	Well, I want to see this thing.
	And then you'd pull it out and show it to me.
	And I'd go, well, that doesn't mean that you can ride this thing or it helps you get from here to there.
	And then you can get on it and you can ride it.
	And seeing you ride it and all that is almost enough to really convince me that it's a good thing.
	But what's really going to do it for me, as me personally, is if I get on the bike and I learn how to ride it.
	Alright, but here's the thing, Albert.
	I know that OBE's, out of body experiences, are true.
	No doubt.
	Because you got on the bike.
	Because I got on the bike.
	I did it, not willingly, but I did it.
	So I know it's true, but what I don't know is that that was my soul traveling.
	What I don't know is that perhaps it was something that an active, living mind can do, but it doesn't necessarily have to involve what we think of as a soul.
	You could think that way with one experience, and I would probably think that way too with one experience, but if you repeat it over and over again, And let's say you decide that, because you've got to remember, Art, and you know this, my book is my diary and I never plan on sharing it with anybody.
	I was just keeping it for myself.
	Right.
	So it wasn't about writing a book and then, hey, look at this.
	I know, but you still haven't shown me.
	I mean, even if you did it a hundred times, it may be something that a living mind is capable of doing.
	Actually leaving your body, but that doesn't mean your soul.
	I agree.
	But then you start breaking down what kind of experiences you start having.
	Then you have experiences like in my book, and I talk about seeing my dead aunt on more than one occasion.
	The very first time I was so... I just refused to accept it.
	I didn't believe in life after death or any of that.
	Then the second time, because we were communicating with more than just visuals, I was thoroughly convinced that this, whatever this thing was, it was definitely my aunt.
	And I already knew I carried her her coffin to the grave. So that kind of experience coupled
	with another experience with another deceased person and then you add on to that and then none
	of these are just disjointed experiences.
	Each one hinges on the other and if you're able to repeat this anyway, no matter if you tell
	anybody else, you personally are going to come to some kind of understanding about this or some kind of belief.
	Okay, but all of these people that you met up with had a place in your brain.
	Very true.
	Well, no, one of them didn't.
	One of them was an uncle of my ex-wife.
	Now, that might qualify.
	And I didn't even know... I didn't really think I was that close to him.
	That might qualify.
	Well, you never met me, but I was an uncle of your... Well, yeah, that might qualify.
	So, and he passed away.
	And I wrote about that in the book, too.
	All right.
	All right.
	You've got me there.
	I'm just saying, all these things made me question me.
	I had to say, well, wait a minute.
	One of two things.
	I'm either going crazy or there might be some validity to this.
	And you considered the crazy part?
	Oh, I considered that first.
	Because I would, the first thing I thought, because I never believed in ghosts and all that stuff.
	No, I just heard your laugh there.
	That was a little manic.
	Well, the first thing I did was I went to a psychiatrist.
	Yeah, you really did go to the psychiatrist.
	And I had MRI and neurological testing, and I was looking for a physical abnormality.
	That's the first thing.
	I didn't think about anything else.
	I got a clean bill of health, yet these experiences continued.
	So I thought, okay, I'm going to document this.
	If I'm going nuts, I'm going to document this in as much detail as I possibly can,
	because when they find me babbling and drooling in the corner with my journal next to me,
	they'll know how I got there.
	uh... but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but
	all right Alright, I believe these are real.
	I know these are real.
	So, I guess, let's do this.
	Let's talk to the audience.
	So many out there that have had this moment of being paralyzed and are scared to death.
	How do you move from that, Albert, to an OBE, to moving out of your body?
	How do you discipline yourself to do it?
	Well, first of all, the first hurdle is fear.
	Once you get past that and you're not afraid to venture further, it gets a lot easier.
	The more afraid you are, the harder it's going to get.
	But if you're past the fear, you can either... Everything responds to, I want.
	I wouldn't suppose you can help us to understand how to get past the fear, huh?
	That takes practice, unfortunately.
	All I can say to you is that the only fearful experiences I have had were in the beginning a long time ago, and I continue to do it to this day, and I don't have any fearful experiences.
	Well, what got you over the fear?
	Let me ask it that way.
	Because the unknown became known.
	I realized I wasn't dying.
	I realized I was going to be able to come back to my body.
	I realized that there was nothing out there that could hurt me.
	And then I realized that the only really truly dangerous place that I could ever venture and walk around would be in physical life compared to this because there was nothing negative on the other side.
	It was just the opposite.
	Now, you and I have gone round and round on this one, and we will again, but I don't want to do that right now.
	So, you managed to get yourself over the fear because it happened so many times, I guess.
	Right, and it took a lot of practice.
	A lot.
	Because I was terrified.
	I was a big astral chicken.
	I mean, I was terrified.
	Alright.
	So then, your advice to the person who's had a... Take baby steps.
	Baby steps.
	Just become comfortable with it.
	Okay, you're lying there.
	You're terrified.
	Tell me what then?
	Try to relax.
	Relaxation is a big key because your heart rate will start going up.
	You'll start panicking.
	Try not to do that because nothing is going to happen to you.
	That's the first thing.
	You don't know what's going to happen, but I'm telling you nothing is going to happen to you.
	So, don't... Relax.
	Don't try to relax.
	Don't fight it.
	Right.
	Try to relax.
	Try to just breathe normally.
	And the more and more you relax, the more and more you feel as if you're slipping away.
	That's right.
	That's a good thing.
	That's right.
	Because that's a good thing because eventually it's only going to go to a certain extent and you're not going to go into this abyss of darkness.
	You're going to go all of a sudden into a super conscious state.
	So you'll make a transition into that feeling that you had when you felt free, completely free and super aware.
	That's what happens right before that feeling of losing it or fading away.
	Right.
	And if you can hang on past that, you'll realize that soon all of that will be gone.
	Kind of like my friend saying there was a pop and then he felt fine.
	All of that will be gone, and then you will be in total control of a new body, or not a new body, really very old, but a new vehicle that you can move, actually move around your environment in.
	Alright, we'll pick up there in a moment.
	I promised the International Line I'd give them a good deal tonight.
	International Line, you're on the air.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	I'm calling from England.
	England!
	Hi, this is Brenna.
	Where in England?
	In the south part, in Hampshire.
	Oh, hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Hi.
	I had a question about what I think might have been an out-of-body experience one time.
	All right.
	Well, it started out as a dream, and then a bunch of scary stuff happened, as usual.
	And I felt myself doing a motion, kind of like where you're trying to swim out of deep water, like, you know, with your arms.
	And all of a sudden, I could see myself on the bed.
	And, ooh, that scared me.
	And I looked down and I realized that that's what it was, but there was some other people in the room, I thought, but there really wasn't.
	Non-physical people?
	Yeah.
	There might have been.
	Why did you think there wasn't?
	Because I thought it was a dream.
	Oh, okay.
	And it just kept getting weirder and weirder, and I saw myself, and just that fast, I was, I thought I was sitting on the side of my bed, Okay, this is really weird, and I'll just wake up now.
	And that happened five times.
	It just kept happening, and I thought I was awake, and I wasn't.
	So now that it's happened five times, what do you think of it?
	It scared the hell out of me, to be honest.
	Does it still scare you?
	Uh, no, it hasn't happened since then.
	I finally, when I finally really did wake up, I went and turned on every light in the house and splashed water in my face.
	You sound like me.
	I went around my house turning on all the lights, too.
	What I think happened is I may have been laying in a strange position.
	I was cutting off my air.
	With my head turned or something.
	Five times in a row?
	I don't know.
	That's unlikely.
	I don't know, but that's when the The rising up started.
	When things start to repeat themselves, generally you start looking for a pattern.
	I'm saying the probability of it being something that's cutting off your windpipe is really very, very remote.
	There probably is another answer.
	If you don't even want to take the out-of-body experience as the answer, there probably is something other than the one that you selected.
	So don't be so quick.
	A lot of people are very quick to explain it away when they have zero evidence rather than take a little bit of evidence.
	Yeah, a lot of very strange things happened in that apartment.
	That was before I moved over here.
	Very strange things.
	So it's kind of nice.
	But you see your body is the number one key right there.
	I mean, you can have a lot of out-of-body experiences, but some people don't see their bodies right away.
	You seeing it is definitely a big clue.
	And think about this.
	Think about the similarities to your experience to someone who has a near-death experience.
	It's almost identical, except you haven't had a trauma.
	So that would mean some credibility or some understanding that maybe this is an out-of-body experience because it is very similar.
	And then it's happened more than once.
	And each time, none of the times you've been injured or frightened, right?
	Right.
	All of the times, were there people in the room or images?
	Yeah, there was this one woman and she was very mean looking.
	Okay, and another thing, when you're in that state, it's very easy to project onto an entity or a being your emotions and feelings.
	So if you're afraid, it is very easy for you to use a thought form and to project onto them something that is going to frighten you.
	It doesn't mean that she's really looking at you mean, it just means that you may be contaminating your experience because of some sort of fear or reluctance.
	Alright, well listen, thank you very much.
	That's provoking to me.
	And it sends me over the edge.
	Now, here we go.
	You maintain that when leaving your body, and we did cover sort of getting up out of your body, I guess, and short of having a full-length mirror above your bed, and there'll be questions about that, seeing yourself is a key, right?
	One of them, yes.
	One of them.
	So, you maintain that it is ultra safe that nothing can go wrong
	yeah that that that while you're out of your body if anything even begins to go
	wrong in anyway with your physical body boom you're back in your
	body again right yeah your your body cannot be inhabited
	taken right it's not an advertisement for some spirit to come along and possess you
	right it's not like getting out of your car going into building and you have no
	awareness of what's going on with it even if you're halfway to the moon time isn't a factor so
	boom you're back in your body right
	and But you still can monitor your breathing and everything, even though you're projected at a great distance.
	I might as well go right to my closer here.
	Skip over all the Middle Territory.
	Lots and lots of people die in their sleep.
	It was always written, by the way, in the newspaper the next day or the next two or three days, he died peacefully in his sleep.
	Well, nobody really knows that.
	If he was alone, he might have been screaming, yelling, twitching in dire pain, and passed away extremely painfully.
	They don't know that, but they write he died peacefully in his sleep.
	Now, how do we know that people don't die while they're out over their bodies?
	Well, this is what I would look for as a scientist, is that I would take a group of individuals who are claiming to have these experiences, And then out of all this large group of individuals, I would look for some type of abnormality regarding their health.
	Maybe a reduction in heartbeat, blood pressure or something.
	Some kind of pattern that starts to indicate that the body is failing in some kind of way and about to give up the life force.
	And if I could find some kind of repeatable pattern in this group of individuals,
	then I would tend to believe that possibly this particular practice may lead to some type of trauma to the physical
	body or even possible death.
	But with all the groups that I have ever, ever seen, not one of them has been ill in any way, shape, or form,
	or has their health degraded in any way, shape, or form.
	And in fact, a lot of them have reported the opposite, that they're in better health than they've ever been.
	In my case, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and I'm fine.
	These are the ones, all the ones that come back.
	The ones that don't come back can't report a damn thing.
	If there were a chance of flipping out the door the other way, there should be some physical sign in the physical body.
	It's a machine.
	There should be a reduction of something in the body that shows that the life force is waning away, if people can die through this.
	But I have... there isn't any evidence whatsoever that the body's life force, or its physical condition health-wise, degrades at all, even a little bit, through the out-of-body experience.
	But even you must admit there are people who die without warning, without any physician having seen them, they just...
	Boom!
	They're gone.
	And so far, that seems to be an isolated thing, non-related to out-of-body experiences, because there's no degradation whatsoever.
	Well then, let's try... If there was, then I would say, well, wait a minute, it's a possibility.
	Okay, then let's try this one.
	Suppose you're out-of-body, and you do die unexpectedly.
	Then what?
	Then, you may as well...
	Then you're going to see the light.
	Then you're going to see the light.
	Then you've got to think about what you've been doing and how you're going to explain some of the mistakes that you've made.
	But, you know, I have heard a lot of people have had near-death experiences, okay?
	I mean, I've talked to, there's 8 million people in the United States who've had near-death experiences.
	So an OBE could transition directly from an OBE to I haven't heard, I mean, I wouldn't say that.
	Of course you haven't heard about it.
	I don't draw any connection that someone almost died.
	That their body, in some kind of way, had to, the paddles had to be brought in, or the CPR, or some kind of thing happened that they almost died.
	By the way, have you seen that commercial on TV where they put the paddles on the guy?
	It's a credit card commercial.
	And they revive him, and he's suddenly happy, and indicates that he's so happy he saved money using this particular credit card.
	Hold on, Albert.
	We'll be right back.
	Dr. Albert Taylor is my guest.
	This is Coast to Coast AF.
	Hi.
	So tomorrow night the kiddies are out of the room and right now too because the next segment
	is going to contain some rather adult material, something we haven't covered with Al Taylor
	previously, but it's about to.
	This will be a trick easy question first from Ken in Phoenix, Arizona.
	I think it's a very interesting question.
	In my experience, the further out you go, the more peaceful, safe it becomes.
	Does Albert agree?
	Yes.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Oh, definitely.
	Further away from the physical world, the physical world is the most frightening part of our experience as a consciousness or soul.
	The further away from the physical world, the non-physical realms are nothing like this.
	All right.
	A very evolved person from Phoenix, Arizona asks, could someone doing an OBE, Astral Projection, observe someone of the opposite sex undressing, showering?
	In other words, be a peeping Tom.
	There are no limitations.
	Alrighty.
	I'm not saying you would be motivated to do that, but there aren't any limitations that I've found.
	Ken is motivated to do that.
	Well, he is in the physical mind, in the physical state.
	When you get into that other state, you don't care about stuff like that.
	Well, now let's try this one out on you.
	This is somebody who, at one point, actually attended a Learning Light seminar that you did in Southern California.
	Her name is Karen, and she writes as follows.
	I thought I heard you mention that Al Taylor is going to be on the show this week.
	If so, Can you please pin him down and get him to talk frankly about the sexual aspects of OBEs?
	I can certainly understand why OBE experts hesitate to openly discuss that angle of the experience, but the fact is sex often plays a very prominent role, especially for a beginner who does not have a lot of control over the experience.
	And definitely if the person has a lot of kind of sexual energy, which is not being utilized in the physical state, Robert Monroe does have an entire chapter devoted to sex in one of his OBE books, but he's one of the few authorities who's brave enough to delve into the issue.
	I'm not done yet.
	Here's the best part.
	Since no one really talks openly about it, I was very confused as to why, especially at the beginning, I kept finding myself flying out over the ocean, then being pulled down to ships at sea, having orgies for hours with the astral forms of men on those ships.
	But!
	I finally theorized that what was happening was that my intense pent-up female sexual energy was drawing me to the male sexual energy of the men on the ships who were no doubt sex crazed due to being pulled away from women for so long while out to sea.
	Wow.
	I think I'm having trouble with my phone.
	I didn't catch all that.
	I can tell you this Art, voyeurism, watching someone undress is a little bit different
	than astral sex.
	Astral sex is a sharing of energies and emotions and feelings, and it definitely does happen.
	And it happens generally to the beginner traveler, the novice.
	So, it's entirely possible.
	What she just wrote there is a dead flat truth.
	And in my new book, Soul Traveler 2 Grounded by Bad Weather, I have a chapter that says, Physical Sex, Astral Sex, and God, and it talks about exactly all of that.
	It's something that I've been getting a lot of questions on, and I never really addressed it in any of my lectures or the book before, but I definitely cover it in the new book.
	I give you a little bit different perspective on what it's all about.
	Because we know it's not about procreation, because the physical, the astral body doesn't procreate.
	Astral sex is not going to cause AIDS.
	Right.
	You're not going to have astral babies.
	Actually, astral sex then is some sort of form of, say, sex.
	It's even beyond that.
	What is the desire to bond or share that kind of energy?
	What's really going on there?
	That's what I talk about in the new book.
	I go beyond just the physical aspect of what it is and what we think it is and go into,
	since we're talking non-physical, into the energy aspect of it and what we're really
	trying to achieve in that desire.
	What's really going on there?
	I believe it has a lot more to do with connecting with our true selves and God than it does
	the actual act of sex or procreation.
	So then you would say that somebody who is astrally sexing it up is not fully evolved?
	No, no, I'm not saying that.
	Well, I guess we all are fully evolved, otherwise we would be completely... But you really are saying that, though.
	You're saying that the experience itself, even though it can be that, and has been documented to be that, It's really not that, or that's just some sort of beginning part of the experience.
	It's more spiritual.
	It is a desire.
	It's like being hungry and maybe drinking water when you should be eating food.
	Well, I'm just a beginner, so... Yes, there is something greater than just sex aspect of what's drawing us to that whole experience, and what the true experience It's something that I believe is becoming one to what we were before we came here, and the pure ecstasy of what it's like to be close to, if you believe in God or the Creator.
	And the reason I even say that is because I have another friend of mine who had a near-death experience, and she drowned while diving off the island of Catalina.
	And when she had her, when she felt that her, I think her regulator started malfunctioning
	and all of a sudden she started panicking and suffocating, then the next thing she knew
	she was surrounded by this song and then she found herself floating above the water watching
	her physical body sink below the waves and then she was drawn up into the light and this
	is how she described it, she said the experience of reuniting with this light source, this
	intelligent conscious energy was purely orgasmic.
	So, I think, and that's what, by her description and a lot of other people's descriptions who've actually gone to beyond just the physical, beyond just having a How to Buy experience, to actually having some encounter with this light force.
	That seems to be the big draw of what's going on there, and everything else we do is almost kind of supplementing that in the astral.
	And the physical, I believe, is definitely so that we can procreate and populate the planet.
	In the astral, it doesn't make sense to apply those same rules.
	All right.
	Seester in Anaheim asks or says, since I have had out-of-body experiences since I was a child, so he's like you in a way, But I want to know how not to have them.
	I just want to sleep.
	And I would add myself that compared to bad dreams or even a frightening bit of being paralyzed or an OBE, some people prefer the old-fashioned little slice of death.
	So if he's having them and he can't stop them, I'm not sure you've ever considered this before.
	You probably don't get this question all that often.
	Once in a while.
	I get it from my family a lot.
	Alright, so how do you stop them?
	Well, I guess the first way would be a lot of coffee.
	No wonder it only happened in Paris.
	The thing is, I can tell you about when you're about to separate from the physical or you're having the night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
	The one thing that seems to bring me back faster than anything is not trying to move my entire physical body, but trying to move just a small portion of my body, like my little finger or my toe or something like that.
	So if you want to get out of the paralysis and not have an out-of-body experience, just try to move a small portion of your body, and once you can do that, everything else kind of reconnects on its own.
	So that's a good way to stop it.
	All right!
	That's absolutely excellent.
	I mean, that really is an excellent answer.
	There is a way, then, to stop them.
	Yes.
	If you want to.
	You don't have to.
	But from your perspective, there's no way you should want to stop them, right?
	Well, I mean, fear is the biggest thing that stops everybody.
	Well, William, but once you're past that, and you're getting frequent traveler miles... Oh, once you get there, you'll never... My mother is 80 years old.
	And she's been having these experiences since she was a little girl.
	It wasn't up until her about maybe six or seven years ago that I shared with her what this really is.
	And since her first full-blown out-of-body experience without fear, she has never gone back to not wanting them, and she's 80.
	So it's changed her life after seven and a half decades.
	And she has never been the same.
	So that's how wonderful this thing is.
	She's dreaded it all this time, but now it's the most incredible thing in her whole life, at this late stage in her life.
	Well, Albert, for somebody who is in jail, and I have a lot of people in the Who's Gal that listen to me, because I get the letters.
	I get the letters.
	You do, yeah.
	So, for somebody in jail, this would be a really good thing.
	For somebody who can't Otherwise, travel.
	Maybe they're confined to bed.
	Maybe they've got a spinal injury.
	They can't move.
	Whatever the cause would be, this is a way to still move independent of the body, isn't it?
	Oh, definitely.
	And no matter what your physical condition, once you're traveling astrally, you don't have any aches and pains, do you?
	Not at all.
	Not at all.
	It's quite the opposite.
	Pain, pain.
	Well, you know what?
	I have to say this, though.
	You don't have any aches and pains normally, but if you think something is going to hurt you while in the out-of-body state, you can feel pain.
	Only if you think it can hurt you.
	Like if you see a lion or something and it bites you, and you believe it, then you can feel pain.
	It doesn't mean that... Even astrally?
	Yes, but it's not external.
	That lion?
	That really hurt!
	Yes, but it's because you believed it, and that is a choice that you make.
	It's not something that the force can't do.
	Now see, here you go.
	This makes it sound to me like it could be a negative experience.
	Only if you believe that you can be injured.
	It's not a lasting injury, but you can feel pain if you believe it.
	And that's easy to get past.
	Once you get past it, no matter what happens, you don't have to feel that.
	But you, you're creating it.
	The mind, your consciousness, is so incredibly powerful, there's nothing I can do to stop its influence over the physical body or your experiences.
	So, if I was not afraid and I was having a regular OBE, then if a lion bit me, I'd just go, Or it would never bite me in the first place?
	If you were at a conscious level and you knew you were having a consciously controlled autobiotic experience, something could happen and you would be impervious to pain.
	But if you weren't all that aware and you were kind of lucid and didn't know what was
	going on and kind of believed that this was a real lion or a shark or whatever, you could
	imagine and actually feel pain.
	People have been hypnotized where they have been given quarters and told that these quarters
	are hot.
	And then the person, they put it in their hand and they asked the quarter because they
	believed it and their consciousness was convinced that it actually left a ring on the thing
	around their palm as if they had been burned.
	The mind is so incredibly powerful, it takes a lot of practice to control.
	It's not an external thing.
	So that gives you hope right there.
	It's about what do you want to do, and you have the ability to control your out-of-body experience and have nothing but wonderful experiences as long as you focus on that and practice and release some of the negative stuff.
	The mind is very, very powerful.
	It's almost like being a genie all of a sudden, and anything you think will manifest, be it good or bad, there's no judgment, it will just happen.
	So with that kind of consciousness, it really takes a lot of practice to be able to control it.
	Alright, alright, alright.
	Would you say that the average person who has had their first OBE is coming back a happy camper or a scared camper?
	Probability-wise, 70 to 80 percent will be a happy camper.
	The negative experiences are really in the minority, and the more experiences you have, it drops off from there.
	All right.
	You can travel anywhere, which means you could travel to a neighbor's house, right?
	Yes.
	Is there ever any condition under which that neighbor would recognize that you are there?
	Maybe perhaps see you out of the corner of their eye or some little movement or detect that you are present?
	Definitely.
	It is very possible.
	But it was not because of you.
	It's because that particular neighbor is sensitive to subtle energies.
	And that particular neighbor can pick up more than just your astral form, probably can pick up a lot of astral
	forms, or dark shadows, or something that's non-physical.
	But yes, it is definitely possible. It is also possible and more probable that children and babies can see you, and it
	is more probable and possible that animals can detect you also.
	Like cats, cats and things like that can perceive subtle energies that we humans in the physical form aren't able to
	do.
	To me, it seems as though you're now off into the area of the shadow people.
	And I guess you are, right?
	Well, basically, I don't see a line being drawn that much between the non-physical beings and the shadow people.
	I don't see them as being something separate, a whole other breed of intelligent individuals that are non-physical.
	Have you ever had a physical person or animal or any being recognize you, recognize your presence, acknowledge your presence, or be scared by your presence, or in any way react to you?
	Somebody reacted to me, but they thought they were Maybe seeing something for a brief second and then ignored it, and I thought, oh my God, can this person see me?
	So I have had people react to me.
	I haven't had anyone say, oh my God, what's that?
	Now Robert Monroe has, in his books he talks about a friend of his that he actually was able to touch and pinch, and they even saw them, and later he called them back.
	And she said, oh my God, was that you?
	That thing I saw, was that you?
	So it is definitely possible.
	Now, how can you imagine, Pinch, how can you imagine that something astrally is able to manifest a physical pinch?
	How, can you imagine how that?
	I wouldn't want that to happen to me.
	Right, but I mean... I don't want anybody coming in astrally and pinching me physically.
	No, no, no, I understand that, but my question is how do you Managed to move from the astral enough to the physical to be able to do that?
	Practice, Robert.
	And it depends on this, too.
	There's one thing that matters that we have very little control over in this lifetime.
	And that one thing is the particular evolutionary state of our soul.
	Our souls are different levels of evolution.
	They've evolved to a certain point.
	That more evolved a particular soul is, the more talents it has, the more capabilities it has, and it can branch into everything from being able to move physical objects in the astral to healing and a bunch of other things.
	So not everyone who has an Autobot experience is going to be able to do the same thing.
	Some people will barely be able to move around the room.
	Some people will be able to move around a lot.
	I was just at this conference where an individual was telling me, No, she was telling me that she was able to move the blinds in her bedroom.
	I haven't seen anybody do that yet, but she was explaining to me that she had gotten to that point.
	So, it just depends on the evolutionary state of the person and in the physical it depends on the amount of practice and where they're really focused on how much they think they can do consciously.
	All right.
	Your first book still available on Amazon.com.
	Yes, it is.
	Web link up on my website, folks, under tonight's guest info.
	And your new book is called what?
	It's called Soul Traveler 2, Grounded by Bad Weather.
	And Soul Traveler 2 is also, is it not, available on Amazon?
	It will be.
	It will probably be out this fall.
	I mean, it's in the editing phase right now, and I'm hoping it gets out to my publisher by next month.
	Oh, that's excellent.
	All right, we'll pick up on that note when we come back.
	Stay right there.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning from the high desert.
	Falling in love was the last thing I had on my mind.
	Holding you was the warmth that I thought I could never find.
	Just finding you was all made by your hand.
	I know I'm too hard.
	I just can't find the answers to the questions that keep coming through my mind.
	Hey baby, I'm here from the start.
	I've been just like the wind.
	I'm a fool for falling in love with you.
	Great to be back.
	Yeah, I get a lot of letters from Germany after doing your show, from Canada.
	Oh, they're out there.
	A lot of places.
	Listen, it's figuring out how to call this doggone toll-free 800 line that is the problem.
	I get email from all over the world every night.
	Again, folks, give it a try.
	Maybe you'll have to fool around with some numbers.
	Look on our website.
	Combine it all.
	Call the operator.
	Beg.
	It's a free call.
	The number is 800 from anywhere in the world.
	893-0903.
	It would be great to get some calls from overseas, because on the tour of the new book, I'm going to be going to England and Germany, as a matter of fact.
	Are you really?
	Loading it, yes.
	Well, that's wonderful.
	So, your new book, Nick Lee, then, is not quite available.
	It's not available yet, and I'm working on it diligently.
	But I'm hoping definitely by the fall it works.
	You know, it doesn't matter.
	Your new book is going to be great, but the one they should be going after is Soul Traveler because... Definitely.
	It's available now.
	Yeah.
	Most of the people out there want to know how to do it, and that book lays it out, doesn't it?
	Yes.
	What I did is in Chapter 10 is dedicated solely on how to do it, what it means, what to look for, everything, road signs, everything, and it gives you several different techniques And after all this time, I have heard at least every one of the techniques has worked for somebody.
	All right, here's an oddball question, but maybe not so oddball.
	A lot of people out there tonight we're going to hear from are going to refer to the shadow people.
	And Kim in Seaside, Oregon asks, you have been talking about what you can do while you have an OBE or how to have an OBE.
	What can I do to protect myself From others who are OBEing, or can I?
	Well, protection is, what are we talking about?
	Privacy?
	No one's injuring you.
	No, no, no.
	Royalism?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	Why not?
	Privacy is what I said.
	There's nothing you can do regarding that.
	If someone means to come and visit you, there's nothing you can do about that.
	Not a thing you can do.
	No, there isn't.
	You might see them out of the corner of your eye and whatever, but they're going to be there.
	If a person is capable of traveling OBE, They pretty much can go as they please, anywhere they want.
	I mean, the better you get at it, the more places you can go.
	Protection-wise, I mean, I understand her privacy concerns and all that, but it's very rare for a person to target another individual and be able to go see them uninvited.
	Well, alright then, let's ask a question here.
	Could you go on a Vengeance?
	Vents?
	OBE?
	I would say no, because anger is a form of tension, and that keeps you very well grounded in the body.
	It's laxation, and it takes a lot of, basically, inner peace to be able to travel at will anywhere you want.
	Well, that's a damn shame.
	I mean, if you could just manifest a little bit, you could do all kinds of things.
	You could go put a match between this guy's toes, right?
	But then it opens the door to abuse.
	I mean, and I don't think this is something, it's not like a circus trick to me, but it's deeply spiritual to me.
	And I think that if you start using it the wrong way, maybe you can lose it too.
	Well, you think so?
	Yes, I do.
	You don't think it's a tool that could be used in any way at all?
	Maybe you've chosen the spiritual path.
	Well, the people that I have read their books and they have had incredible journeys are generally people who are spiritually grounded or spiritually aware.
	For instance, like Gananda and a few other Indian gurus, and even people like Robert and things like that, they weren't focused in that aggression, anger area.
	Most of the people have been very well educated, peaceful, kind, and that kind of thing.
	So I tend to believe that it goes hand-in-hand with that direction, rather than the other.
	Well, what about Saddam Hussein?
	Now, take Saddam Hussein for instance.
	He may be deeply religious.
	It's not a religious thing.
	In his own way.
	But we all know what a mean, mean bastard he is and he chops people up and stuff.
	So who's to say he couldn't be on a spiritual head chopping trip?
	I would say that it is incompatible with anger and aggression.
	All right, fine.
	I want to allow everybody to call you now.
	Would that be all right?
	Great.
	Then we'll have, no doubt, some good questions.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	I will do that immediately.
	Thank you very much.
	You're welcome.
	Mr. Taylor, I know you.
	I'm a director in the city of Anaheim at a foundation I recall.
	That's pretty good.
	I turned you on to the Art Bell Show a few years ago and I heard you on this show a number of times.
	The last time, a couple of times ago maybe, you had Art Bell calling you doctor and now you're not a doctor, you just have an MBA.
	And you worked at MDC when I spoke to you personally, and now you work at Lockheed.
	Sir, you are a fraud!
	You're a fraud!
	I don't work at Lockheed!
	You're a fraud!
	Hold on.
	Go ahead, Albert.
	I'm not sure what you're talking about.
	I do have a PhD, and I don't work at Lockheed.
	I worked at Lockheed back in the 70s.
	You said you worked at McDonald Douglas.
	I worked at McDonald Douglas in the 90s.
	When I spoke to you last time, you worked at McDonald Douglas.
	What was that?
	When you were on the Art Bell Show, Art pulled the tapes and recorded them.
	This guy is a fraud.
	Sir, you're wrong.
	About that, you're absolutely wrong.
	Yes, you are.
	I'm not wrong.
	I spoke to this guy personally.
	No, no, no, no.
	You are wrong.
	I'm telling you now you're wrong because I did the program.
	At no time did he ever say that he worked at Lockheed.
	That was his background.
	That's always been his background.
	So you, sir, are just flat wrong.
	Hasn't changed in a long time.
	No.
	When you came on the program and that was your background, then he's just absolutely flat wrong.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Well, good evening folks, or good morning.
	Good morning.
	Please turn your radio off.
	I'm turning it on right now.
	Sorry about that.
	Alright.
	Hi, this is Joy in Santa Cruz.
	Yes.
	Hi, how are you?
	I had a wonderful experience with my first LBE, I did have a question about the whole sexual thing, if you don't mind my asking.
	No, go ahead.
	Okay.
	I know it's a little bit of a strange question.
	No, not at all.
	But if people are in, let's say, their first experiences and they're kind of like floating around and not really getting their bearings and they have all this extra sexual energy or pent-up energy where they want to, I guess, get connected with other people.
	Would this be an explanation for the mythologies of succubus or incubus?
	Well, incubus gets those two confused and one of them comes and allegedly sleeps with women at night or something like that.
	Yeah, one's a male, one's a female.
	This could be related to that.
	It could be misinterpreted because it is so closely related.
	Why would you...
	It is so closely related, I think it could be a deluded understanding of it, and it could
	very well be an astral sex situation.
	Well, especially if the person who's being visited is kind of in a dream, lucid state
	themselves.
	Yeah, and they would try to report it, and since that's such an ancient belief, then
	they would try to equate it and understand it based on what they understand about their
	reality and being...
	men and things like that were part of their reality, so I could see them saying that.
	And it was usually priests or other people who had a lifestyle that didn't let them really
	go into that area anyway.
	I would say the priest probably never, or the high priest or whatever they would have
	been called at that time, probably never would have admitted to it.
	Usually it was the people or the common folk that would talk about things like that and
	they would go to the head of the church or whatever, the spiritual leader of that area,
	and he would be the one to either condemn them or exorcise them or whatever.
	One quick further question.
	If a person isn't ethical and they're out there, because I've known people who've had
	and they didn't even expect it.
	Maybe that's a better question than my head hacker.
	If they're simply unethical, and there are plenty of unethical people out there, what then?
	Well, I mean, since it is a talent of the soul, a lot of people are going to have the experience.
	Now, how many times and how good they are at it, I think that all depends.
	On pretty much how clean your house is.
	I mean, you think to be able to travel, but to really accomplish to have no limits, I believe that those type of things, negativities and things like that, hold you back.
	But if the person was simply unethical and didn't believe his or her own behavior to be unethical, they simply locked ethics all together.
	And the only reason I would say it is possible Only because I don't see it being impossible, but I can say this, I haven't run into anybody that I can know that is really efficient at it, that is unethical also.
	So, it's possible, but not likely.
	I mean, it kind of sounds like only Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts get to OBE.
	No, what happens is when you're in the experience, the experience itself changes how you behave.
	It's good here in the physical body and plan a lot of things.
	I understand.
	No, I understand.
	Yeah, but that consciousness is very different.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	This is basically a question.
	I'm actually, I don't know how to explain this.
	Like a few months ago, I had one of these, and I've gotten really afraid of them, like to go to sleep ever since.
	Afraid to go to sleep?
	Yeah.
	I don't want to feel bliss again.
	I understand.
	There you are.
	Same thing again.
	Afraid to go to sleep.
	And can I ask you this?
	Do you know what you might be afraid of?
	Yeah, I can answer.
	Of the fear of being paralyzed again.
	In fact, I've got somebody here fast blasting that after the experience and yanking themselves out of it, they threw up.
	Nauseated.
	Threw up.
	That's a big sandwich they had the night before.
	Maybe not.
	Maybe it was the incomplete experience.
	I have run into somebody recently, and it's rare that someone gets nauseous, but I just ran into this person I think within the last 24 to 48 hours.
	than getting nauseous and having a stomach problem.
	But like I said, out of 100 people, that's maybe 1%.
	So if you're actually out there traveling, do you throw...
	No.
	Do you like toss astral chunks?
	I haven't seen any yet.
	Not that I want to.
	I understand. All right.
	But if he's afraid, it's basically you have to talk to yourself.
	You have to tell yourself, so far nothing has happened to me.
	I can tell you this, you're not going to die, so maybe that's a fear that you don't have to worry about.
	You're not going to be injured.
	You're not going to be prevented from coming back to your body.
	You will be as healthy as you are now, if not in better condition.
	So, so far, there aren't any negative things that I can think of that would happen to you, so just practice that, keep reminding yourself of that, and eventually, as you'll discover, nothing happens to you, you'll get a little bit more comfortable with it and be able to travel a little further.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Oh, hi.
	Hi.
	I didn't know if I was going to have to put it with me yet or not.
	Dr. Taylor?
	Yes, ma'am.
	I have a question.
	My name is Pamela and I've never heard this term before, the shadow people.
	Do they come to you when you travel astrally?
	When you have out-of-body experiences, the non-physical world opens up to you.
	You can have encounters with everything from strangers who have passed, to astral travelers, which is very rare, to non-physical beings, the same ones that come I've been traveling astrally since I was 14.
	I do it regularly.
	I can do it awake.
	Do you have encounters?
	I know the beings that you're talking about, I've never heard them called the shadow people before.
	I've been traveling astrally since I was 14.
	I do it regularly.
	I can do it awake.
	And do you have encounters?
	I know the beings that you're talking about, I've never heard them called the shadow people
	before.
	And see, that's just an anon.
	That may be another terminology for the same thing.
	I know this is one I've come out a lot.
	There are the same kind of, there's maybe one being there or maybe a few, but it's always
	the same beings or same type of beings.
	Sometimes there may be a deceased person that I may not know.
	But if you look at it, then I would think if the shadow people were something different
	from these, then I should be able to, since I'm at a heightened sense of awareness, way
	beyond the five senses, I can pick up what the five senses can and more, I should be
	able to see maybe this other group of individuals, standalone individuals who we label shadow
	people.
	I see these other beings all the time.
	So I'm thinking maybe, because we, I really believe that we as a human species are evolving, and maybe some of these talents of the soul are slowly waking up, and some of those are allowing us to see these shadow images, and who knows, after a period of time, over the next few years, a hundred years, Maybe we will be able to actually see ghosts or deceased persons walking around.
	We will be at that level of awareness.
	I don't know, but I believe so.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	I see those things.
	I see people who have passed all the time or are passing or about to pass.
	And more and more people are coming forward.
	Maybe it's because they're not being ridiculed and persecuted anymore, but more and more people in this day and age are coming forward and saying that they're able to see these non-physical things.
	Well, doesn't it say somewhere that there will be a day when the dead will rise?
	Something like that, right?
	It does say that.
	It does say that.
	Well, maybe when the day comes, when we can see all of them, Maybe that's the last day.
	That's a nice thought.
	What do you mean?
	The last day on Earth?
	Yeah, the last physical day.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	See, that's a religious interpretation into this experience, and I don't know.
	You know, it may not happen like that.
	We may just evolve into these things, like we may be evolved to the point where we no longer are handicapped by things like food and substance, and we may live on a At a totally different level of awareness, where there may not be any more sickness and violence and those types of things.
	Maybe we would truly evolve into a galactic species, so to speak.
	No hamburgers, no fries.
	No pork horns.
	No beer.
	No ribs.
	No glasses.
	No hock and dock.
	No hock and dock?
	Oh, that's terrible.
	Alright, first time caller on the line, you're on there with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hi, my name is Scott, and I'm calling from Seattle.
	Okay, Scott, we've got a short time for you.
	Okay.
	I was just wondering, what is your personal opinion, Doctor?
	How are you doing tonight?
	Pretty good.
	I'm doing great.
	How are you?
	I'm doing much better.
	Good.
	I was just wondering, as far as cavemen, and as far as their sense of spirituality... Cavemen?
	Cavemen.
	Do you think that the cold temperatures had anything to do I know that being in the womb is a very warm and comfortable feeling.
	How does this relate to cavemen?
	Well, it seems to me that if you're cold and you're always trying to survive, there begins to be a point where you want to become warm again.
	Do you have any idea what he's talking about?
	I think I do.
	I'm going to hold him over because it's a mystery to me.
	So stay right there.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
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	Here's Albert Taylor.
	All right, hold on, Doctor.
	Here's this caller again.
	Now, caller, try it one more time.
	I just somehow wasn't getting it.
	Okay.
	It seems to me that the evolution of the human is not really physical, or that's not what propelled it.
	The evolution of the human spirit was trying to feel comfortable with the different environments, and it's almost like the new realm of the spirit.
	It was almost like trying to step outside, and then it got a little bit further, and then it got a little bit further, and maybe now today, because of our advancement, we're able to go, I don't know, China, and maybe start Maybe receiving things that they're needing and things that we're doing over here that we need to be aware of before we can fully be able to partake in...
	First of all, I thought you were talking about the cavemen and maybe them projecting out of body because of being cold or something.
	Yes.
	But what I thought you were leading to was indigenous primitive peoples, not necessarily cavemen, and why they would have a need to project out of the body.
	Personally, it sounds to me like he was talking about An open trade policy with China?
	No, I'm not sure.
	A favored nation trading status or something?
	Because, I mean, Americans, out of all the people in the world, Americans are really good at being able to reach out in different new ways that we can't quite understand and that we're just learning about.
	So you mean astrally?
	Astrally, yes.
	Oh, I see.
	All right.
	Well, he means astrally.
	And it seems like we're preparing ourselves to almost like be acceptable to them.
	Regarding the Americans, the Western world, practicing these things and evolving into the area of being able to project themselves and have these experiences, I personally feel that the Western world and the infant stages of development spiritually, and the Eastern world... Actually, I think he did stumble into something there.
	In other words, yes, I'm sure in the Eastern world, China, And so forth.
	There's a great deal more of this because of the spiritual nature.
	Right.
	And even in Haiti, and even in Native American peoples, there are more awareness of this type of thing.
	So maybe there was logic to what he was saying, after all.
	Maybe from the caveman to the modern American to the spiritual joiner, who would then meet up with other spiritual beings in the world, like I kind of understand.
	Maybe I can wrap it up with this, maybe.
	I believe the more technologically advanced we are, the harder it is to embrace and be able to achieve these kinds of spiritual experiences.
	That might be it.
	Either that or it was random.
	On the international line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	I'm in England?
	In England.
	What part?
	Well, I'm just north of Gatwick Airport.
	I spoke to you before.
	All right.
	I just wanted you to know that this line is working fine from here.
	From England, yeah.
	It seems to be working from England, but we're having a real hard time with it from a lot of other places, because I keep getting these emails from Scandinavia, a lot of Asia.
	People can't get through, and so we're trying to figure out how they can get through.
	I see.
	Well, I do have a question for your guest.
	Sure.
	He mentioned that he was going to be in England.
	And I was wondering if you might be able to give me a time and a place.
	I can tell you this.
	I have been invited.
	The invitation was only offered last month or so.
	I have accepted.
	And as soon as I know more about it, it will definitely be on my website at www.alberttaylor.com.
	And that's the quickest way I can offer for you to find out.
	Okay, that would be really great.
	We'll definitely be there.
	Well, you must have a computer because you're listening to us, so... Well, this is the only way, as I told you a few weeks ago.
	It's still the only way we can get you.
	Sure.
	I'm looking forward to coming there.
	Well, wonderful.
	I look forward to being able to perhaps be there with you.
	Thank you.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	Very good.
	Wildcard Line, you're on air with Albert Taylor.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Good morning.
	Yes, good morning.
	You're on the air.
	Yes, I have a question for the doc.
	How are you doing today?
	I'm doing great.
	I had a hair-raising experience several months ago.
	I was asleep, and I wasn't really in a deep sleep.
	And ever since I was younger, I've been able to have OBEs, and almost to the extent when I was awake as well, I could look at a building, the top of a building, and instantly be looking down from it and see how high it looked from the top.
	One night when I was like not fully asleep I was on an OBE and I could I was going you know at an accelerated amount of speed all the way up through the cellars and I could see stars you know whipping past me and then all of a sudden I stopped and then I kept going then I stopped and I saw my father's face he's passed on and he was smiling and stuff and then all of a sudden he had a his face expression turning to an angry expression he yelled no then His face turned to a green skull and then exploded.
	And I woke up, my wife said, I woke up, I was thrashing about back and forth, you know, beating her up.
	I guess I was trying to come back.
	Anyway, it startled me to the point where... Why the metamorphosis?
	I'm sorry, what was that?
	Why the metamorphosis?
	Why did he change from a pleasant face to an angry to a skull to the explosion?
	You're curious about why that happened?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And, well, I can't say specifically what I'll ask, you know, a lot more questions, but I can say this.
	Sometimes when we call, like, I would have out-of-body experiences, and in the beginning of it, it would be very clear, and I could see what's going on.
	But then, for whatever reason, something, a wayward thought, or thoughts, or fears, or anything, or even past experiences would come to memory, or come to the forefront of an individual that I was having an encounter with, and those past experiences would actually project onto that individual something different than they were projecting to me, and it was me contaminating the experience, and it goes into, like, from a conscious out-of-body state to, like, I have a little bit of fear.
	I have one quick question and then we'll let you go.
	And in that state, all kinds of dream material can happen and anything bizarre or wild or
	surrealistic could transpire.
	So that may have been what happened to you.
	I have a little bit of fear.
	I have one quick question and then I'll let you go.
	Ever since I was younger and I told my mother that I was able to have these out-of-body
	experiences, she told me not to because when you're out of the body, a spirit or one that
	was taken early and didn't feel like it was their turn to go could inhabit your body.
	Alright, well we actually covered this earlier.
	I asked if there was any way that a vacated body could be possessed, to which you replied, no.
	No.
	Right?
	Yeah, and my grandmother used to tell me all kinds of stuff too.
	I mean, people in a lot of areas, because of whatever superstitions they may have, And they usually aren't experiencers.
	Every experiencer is a person who is able to travel readily out of anything like that.
	It's mostly, I hear, fearful condemnations from people who aren't experiencers or who don't travel very much or haven't or are afraid to.
	Well, here's a pretty interesting question.
	Can you enter other people's dreams while you're having an OBE?
	Enter is an interesting word.
	I don't use that, but I can say interact.
	Yes, you can influence or interact.
	Well, that's not a big difference the way I see it.
	You can interact with a person.
	But see, you'll be in a very conscious state, and they will be in a dream state, and they may not remember.
	Well, aren't they awfully vulnerable when they're like that?
	No, I wouldn't say so.
	They're going to go along.
	Plus, this is what you've got to remember.
	We haven't even talked about this.
	They're not alone, and they're very much guided in everything they do.
	There's only so much you can do to influence a person.
	It's beyond you to actually step in and to actually cause that person harm.
	You really don't have that capability because... I didn't say harm.
	You can influence and interact.
	You can do that.
	And be part of their dream?
	Yes.
	Wow.
	In my book, I talk about when I went to go see the doctor and I was at the foot of her bed.
	And I was talking, now that I found out there's a part of her consciousness that never sleeps, so I was able to actually have a brief conversation with this other aspect of her.
	After I came back to the physical body, I wrote all this down.
	This happened on a Saturday.
	I approached her on Monday at a class she was teaching at the local college and I said,
	you know, something ring to me over the weekend.
	I said, I thought I came to visit you.
	She said, you know what, on Saturday I had a dream that you were standing at the end
	of my bed.
	See, and she didn't remember much more than that.
	I remembered a lot more than that.
	That may be the state that kind of how you can influence their dream state when she really
	was in a contaminated awareness state rather than a pure, full-blown, mythical, fantasy
	dream state.
	So, yes, you can interact with them to a certain degree.
	All right.
	That's interesting.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hi, Albert.
	Hello.
	Oh, wow.
	I can't believe I got on.
	I've had several experiences, and it's probably been mostly when I'm driving, and it's probably not the safest time.
	Let's see where you are, so I'll know that.
	Well, I know.
	I know it's probably not the safest time to do this.
	The thing is about it, I feel completely safe, and I feel like I'm being guided, and nothing... I don't know how to really explain it to you, but... You feel like a duality going on?
	Part of you driving, part of you at a higher level of consciousness?
	The part of driving knows what's going on, and knows where it's at.
	And there's another aspect of you that knows a lot more than that part?
	Exactly, and I know that it's all love.
	That's what it feels like to me, true purity.
	That's the only way I can... What you experience is similar to what a lot of joggers, I mean people who run marathons experience.
	I've heard stories of marathon runners getting into that zone, kind of a zone type of thing too, and next thing they know their bodies are running, carrying on the race, and they find themselves briefly hovering above the body.
	It doesn't feel completely like hovering, it feels more like I'm expanding.
	Like my soul is more like everywhere than just in one certain spot, like it's supposed to be, but it's expanding.
	You know, I would describe my experience, and you just did it with words far better than mine have been.
	I had this brief experience, ma'am, that I had in Paris.
	Do you do it when deep breathing?
	Because that's when it happens to me.
	It sounds just like what you explained.
	That's wonderful that it happens to you.
	Well, you know, when you clear your mind, like when driving is almost like hypnosis.
	It is to me, because I do it for a living, and that's pretty sad.
	Right, and you're concentrating on one thing, staying between the lines.
	I take the same routes every day.
	Right.
	I mean, I know where I am.
	It's like home to me.
	Well, you kind of like, you go on autopilot, so to speak.
	Exactly.
	And when you do that, that's almost like a meditative state.
	Anything can happen once you reach that fork in the road.
	Ma'am, what are you driving?
	I drive my car.
	Your car?
	Yes.
	What color is it?
	It's silver.
	I'm going to be watching.
	Don't worry about it.
	I tell you what, I used to live near Vegas.
	I was born there and lived there most of the part of my life.
	I was born there and lived there most of the part of my life.
	And was raised with the...
	They taught me when I was younger that bombs used to explode in Nevada
	and the things that were really going on in Area 51.
	And I was raised with that.
	And actually my stepfather used to help build Nellis Air Force Base.
	And I was there when the Marshmallow Factory and everything blew up.
	I experienced all of that.
	Boy, the next thing you're going to tell me is your silver unguided missile is cruising the streets of Pahrump every day.
	No, no.
	I don't live there anymore.
	Actually, I live in the Midwest now.
	I've got to run.
	But that was really interesting in the way she actually described the experience.
	Really, that connected with me.
	That's kind of what it was like.
	And it happens a lot.
	It makes a lot of sense.
	And that's great that when she's zoning out like that, you can do that through meditation or anything.
	You can achieve an altered state in almost any kind of condition.
	It just depends on how well you're able to clear your mind.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello, hello.
	Oh, I didn't push the button.
	Sorry.
	Now I have.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air now.
	Hello?
	Can you hear me?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Actually, I have three questions.
	The first question is, you said communication.
	Is that like regular speech, or you're more communicating like a telepathic kind of way?
	I'm not sure I understood him.
	Okay, he's saying there is communication.
	Is it as in speech, or more like a telepathic communication?
	Okay, it's telepathic, but you hear words.
	Not moving your lips, but you hear words.
	There's definitely... I see.
	The second question is, if somebody that suffered from illness for a long time, or had a terrible accident, they still have to, you know, in their spirit body, they still have to be in those kind of form, or they have much, you know, nicer, new kind of spirit body.
	I can't quite understand that.
	Do you mean while astrally traveling?
	In other words, if somebody's had an accident, or they've been in some way really hurt, and they're confined, when they're astrally traveling, are they free?
	If they pass away.
	Oh, if they pass away?
	Yes.
	Well, then they're dead.
	Yes.
	And if by that you mean do you take some horrible disfiguring something or another over to the other side, I would tend to doubt that since it's mainly a spiritual trip, right Albert?
	You may take the trauma for a little while to the other side with you, but it takes, and you start becoming an image of the best you've ever been in this life.
	People have reported seeing loved ones in dreams and things like that after they pass
	and they always report that they've looked like they were 10 or 20 years younger and
	in the best health of their life.
	So no, you don't take the physical abnormalities and things like that that we have over here
	Are you sure that you are reporting accurately, Doctor?
	Well, you know, I have this story, and this is what I've heard now.
	I have a lot of people, I know this guy who's had a near-death experience, who's been blind all of his life, and in the near-death experience, he could see.
	So, it doesn't matter very much what is going on in the physical when it comes to being in that state.
	It's a whole other reality, and as a matter of fact, it may be a closer reality to what we're in the physical state of.
	Hi there, this is Kelly.
	I've got a couple of questions I wanted to ask, and I'm going to try to speed it up for you.
	One thing that I wanted to mention is that I've had experiences when I'm out traveling where I actually meet somebody that I know in my daily life.
	I mean somebody that is alive, they're not dead.
	And they actually will sometimes mention to me first or I'll mention to them, you know, a specific place that we remember being in.
	And often it seems like we've actually traveled rather than having it there in some kind of like a mental experience or dream experience.
	And so that's kind of like when I first started realizing that there was some sort of somewhat
	physical reality to what was happening rather than it being like all in my mind.
	So you have the experience and then after you come back you see the person in the physical
	and they can remember the experience also?
	Oh yeah.
	That can happen.
	And I also will have experiences where I will see something, like I'll go to a different
	place, I'll see an object in a room that I didn't know was there.
	Young lady, we've got a break.
	Can you hold on?
	Sure.
	Alright, then I'm going to hold you through the break.
	Stay right there.
	Imaginary?
	What?
	Or perhaps astral?
	You must ask yourself.
	And Dr. Albert Taylor and our caller, you are back on the air, ma'am.
	I will turn you away, my old friend.
	And, Dr. Albert Taylor and our caller, you are back on the air, ma'am.
	Wonderful.
	possibly known were there.
	Like I was saying, you know, I've seen objects in rooms that I've actually traveled into that I couldn't have
	Other incidents happened where it was really clear to me that it wasn't just something in my mind, like a dream that seemed real.
	It was actually like I was physically leaving my body somehow.
	And I've done this with people before, and so that also kind of proved it to me.
	One thing that kind of concerned me, though, was that something that you said about the astral sex thing a little
	while ago, about the fact that novices tend to have experiences like that and so forth.
	And while I mean I wouldn't say that I've been doing this my whole life.
	Novices, I think he said, tend to opt to try to have those kinds of experiences.
	But go ahead.
	I didn't want to... I mean, it's something that anyone can do, no matter what stage you are.
	It definitely happens in the beginning.
	Albert, hold on.
	Ma'am, were you hoping to have one of those experiences or hoping to avoid that?
	No, no, no.
	Actually, I've been...
	I've been doing the astral travel thing for like maybe 14 years and I've never had anything like that happen.
	But what happened is that I fell in love with somebody and it accidentally happened.
	And the thing that's odd here is that it was not some kind of like a perverted kinky thing.
	No, no.
	But it was an extremely spiritual thing.
	And the after effect of that, which was interesting, is the fact that I did not tell this person that I had had that experience, but he knew.
	And so since this time, I mean, actually, we've gotten a lot closer, needless to say.
	But the thing that I'm finding interesting is that I'm seeing that there are a lot of parallels
	with the actual stuff and the daily stuff, even the things that you maybe don't tell people
	or that you may want to acknowledge.
	And so I just kind of wanted to mention that and find out if the doctor thinks that that's
	kind of like a normal experience, like if he's heard of that happening with other people
	in relationships or in new relationships, or if that's kind of like an off-the-wall thing,
	or what he thinks of that.
	Well, the bonding, the desire to bond with another person's energy, something like that,
	I think that is a very natural thing.
	It just, what I was saying is that the basic actual sex thing, where it's a stranger
	or a pile of people like in Robert Monroe's book is a novice thing, but there's always going to be
	that drive to bond with another person.
	Now, the thing that I'm really saying here is that in the physical, it's for procreation.
	Now, in the non-physical, what is going on there?
	I think it's very deeply spiritual, and I think it's just a prelude to wanting to bond
	with something even greater than just another person with a soul.
	I think there's a thirst going on there that moves us through these different stages.
	But there's nothing negative about it.
	I have no condemnations about sex, astral sex, physical sex, or any of that.
	I don't suppose I could have an astral love child, huh?
	No, but if you do, please write me or send me a picture.
	You will be the first to know.
	No, we'll be the second to know.
	At best, the second.
	Can I ask one other thing really quick?
	Yes.
	How do you know for sure that it's definitely safe to leave your body?
	I mean, I know that's weird after 14 years of this, but I'd worry.
	If there was anything negative that had happened, I would report it and I don't have any negative piles.
	My negative pile is empty.
	That's what I tend to say.
	I don't know.
	They're negative.
	I don't have any negative things that I can say.
	Well, that's probably because you threw all the negative ones in file 13.
	How could you not, in thousands of responses, have one negative one?
	Nothing permanently negative.
	To me, if you have a bad experience and then you come back and, oh, well, I didn't like that.
	To me, that's not a bad thing.
	It's not something that you should run from.
	It's just you didn't have A pleasant experience at that particular time, but you weren't harmed in any way.
	It was nothing permanent.
	I think you're asking me about something that would harm you after the experience that you would have to deal with in your life.
	Is that what you're asking?
	No.
	Negative could be... Well, let's see.
	What could be negative?
	All right, so fine.
	You go on your little... Okay, that could be some negative, scary experience.
	And you're out there roaming around on the astral grass, and here comes a horse charging at you with a big guy with He's got glowing red eyes and a sickle and he's going to lob your head off.
	Now, to me, that definitely goes in the negative pile.
	Well, that's not pleasant.
	Now, Jack in Tampa, Florida asks the following, how do you tell the difference between an OBE and a dream?
	Oh, Jack, if you have to ask, you've never had one.
	Yeah, it's a big difference.
	A dream is something that is fleeting and you may remember the next day or you may not.
	And I'd advise that you will remember the rest of your life.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'll witness that one for you.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Albert.
	This is Christopher calling from Honolulu, Hawaii, listening to you on KHTH AM 830.
	Where this stupid time change has cost us an hour!
	I know.
	And you know what?
	Let me tell you.
	First of all, I'd like to compliment you, Art.
	Your juxtaposition of those two shows, back-to-back, last night and tonight, having the scientist, the empiricist scientist, and tonight, the spiritual scientist.
	That's right.
	And it's a beautiful juxtaposition.
	I compliment you.
	And also, you're a gentleman, a scholar, the way you handle both these diametrically opposed views, and you've given both these men the respect they're due, because they're both obviously highly intelligent individuals.
	Before I get to Albert's question, however, Albert, it's a pleasure to speak with you.
	Thank you.
	I've got something to report to you, Art, that's of great concern.
	Yes.
	The other night, a couple nights ago, you had the guests on talking about the air traffic controller and talking about the trails.
	Yes.
	Well, in the middle of this show, the local radio station here, somebody They didn't just pull the plug.
	They couldn't actually pull the plug on your show.
	What they did was they ran commercials on top of key segments of the show.
	And if it happened once, you'd say, oh, it was an accident, a programmer hit the wrong switch or something.
	But these are repeated several times throughout the show, right at peak points, and for prolonged periods.
	I recorded it, actually, and I'm going to send you a copy for your own reference.
	Obviously, a Chemtrail executive.
	Somebody, and I'm wondering if how many others in the United States, if people should maybe report these, because if they're having these things and they relegate it to some kind of, oh, it was a mistake, but in fact it's some deliberate attempt to try to prevent information from being freely... Now that we know, our network has ways of dealing with these people.
	Well, yeah, but it ain't pretty.
	No, it ain't pretty.
	No.
	Believe me.
	Trust me.
	We know now.
	That's enough.
	Go ahead and ask your question.
	Okay.
	By the way, I'm going to send that to your appeal box.
	It's on the website.
	That's just fine.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Albert, you know, my question is this.
	I've had some out-of-body experiences and I had the The usual terrifying one, the feeling of the hands gripping, trying to drag you out of your body kind of thing.
	And I've tried for a long time to overcome that, because, well, it has to do with a religious background.
	Now, I think last night's guest was hitting on some topics.
	He was saying, we don't have any evidence of the realm of spirit.
	I think science, for the longest time, has gotten its stick in the rear about anything spiritual, because they connect it with Religion, which has obviously been filling us with all kinds of hell and brimstone and everything else, to create fear within us.
	And I think that science is reacting from the persecution they've gotten and the bad rap and all this kind of stuff.
	Now, they ought to get over it, because there's way too much evidence for spiritual reality and ESP and paranormal experiences.
	What I'm thinking is this.
	The human being evolved.
	Let's just say we evolved.
	We weren't created.
	That's always been a sticking point for scientists.
	They say we evolved.
	Okay, well fine.
	We evolved.
	That's great.
	However, as a survival tactic, this organism finally figured a way to create an envelope, what I would call the astral body.
	So that there could be a survivor consciousness beyond the physical death, because, you know, as we evolve, the mind began to realize that there's a limit and then there's an end.
	So a strategy was developed to create an envelope for the mind to transcend from the physical into this parallel reality, and I think that in those terms, that this envelope is the astral body. And what I'm
	wondering, you know, I mean, obviously, that's what you use to travel astral project. Just how
	dense, what sort of matter would you say this astral body is created out of? And what kind
	of ability to, I mean, is it something we're going to eventually shed and become pure
	thought?
	Alright, that's a lot to tackle.
	Alright, I'll let it go.
	Thank you.
	Have a good night.
	Thank you.
	That was a good question.
	One thing I can say is that I have traveled without the astral body, so it is not something that you are permanently in.
	The astral body is for circumventing or touring the astral plane only.
	It's not capable of going above that.
	There are many levels above that, so I think the etheric body, which is the light body, is the more permanent one.
	The astral body is like a doppelganger of the physical, so it does ease transition into that state, because if you went from a physical to an etheric state of consciousness, which you don't have arms and legs and all that, it would be extremely disorienting.
	I do think that there is a part of us that does create the astral form to make it a lot easier for us to make that transition.
	I hope that answered his question.
	So, you can travel without an astral body?
	Oh, definitely.
	Definitely.
	I wrote in my book, and Robert Monroe also wrote about it, the first level is traveling
	in the astral body and then I found myself able to leave the astral body behind and exist
	at this pinpoint of consciousness, which I call the etheric or light body.
	When I was in that body, that's when I was capable of going far beyond the astral plane
	and I actually saw things like the light and had more angelic-like encounters.
	So we definitely can travel beyond the astral plane.
	All right.
	Garrison in Fresno asks, how can I get these damn shadow people to leave my bedroom?
	You know, the thing about it is they're there all the time and we just can't always perceive
	them.
	So maybe...
	Not because they're spying on you, it's probably because you know them, you've just forgotten all about them, and they're trying to help you in every way and form they can to transition and really deal with life.
	In a way, you really don't want them to go away.
	If you really understood this, then you would be glad they were there.
	As a matter of fact, you'd almost feel blessed that you can see them.
	So it's a good thing.
	You don't want them to go away, because that's... Boy, you are really the eternal optimist, you know it?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the eternal optimist, Albert Taylor.
	Morning, Art.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is John from Rochester, New York.
	Hi, John.
	I had a shadow person experience when I was younger, I would like to relate.
	Yes, sir.
	I had a loft bed, and I was sleeping in a loft bed.
	It was middle of the night, I woke up, and I always thought this was like a waking dream, because I was awake.
	So I looked over the side of the bed, and there was a lot of moonlight coming in the window.
	And there was crucifixes.
	Shadows all over the floor.
	All over the floor.
	And I had a little plaque.
	It was like a piece of wood with the Last Supper imprinted on it.
	Right.
	And there was a black hand scratching at the feet of Jesus.
	And that's my story.
	Were you coming out of a sleep?
	I was awake because it scared me.
	I jumped over the side of the bed and I hit the wall switch.
	And did that symbolize any particular thing for you?
	Not really.
	I mean, you just didn't understand it?
	Didn't understand it.
	It just scared me.
	I jumped over to the side of the bed and hit the wall switch and turned on the light.
	My kind of guy.
	It's kind of inconclusive.
	I really wouldn't know what to make of that.
	Oh, it's just a story I just wanted to relay because everybody, you know, and it was just because you just started talking about these shadow people and it just reminded me of it and that was all.
	That's how I adapt too.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art and Dr. Taylor.
	Good morning.
	Just an observation and a question.
	He's brought up Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute.
	Major Ed Daines ascribed to there, and also Swan.
	Daines followed, but Daines was the monitor trainer and protege of Mentor, I might add, of Courtney Brown, I'm sure, who got us into a lot of... That is absolutely correct.
	Got us into a lot of... a real tar baby.
	Where are you going with this?
	Well, all I'm saying is I think that we can be very easily misled and deceived.
	I mean, Father Malachi Martin indicated that there were a multitude of evil spirits that were cast down here.
	Ah, yes.
	And I think we have to be very careful Because they're no doubt are good spirits, also, that our Creator has provided.
	Well, I do think, Dr. Taylor, as more of an optimist than I would be.
	Well, I'm not saying that, you know, you cannot have enlightenment.
	I mean, you cannot daydream.
	I mean, you know, the gal talking about driving, and anybody knows about, you know, you can mesmerize by a prop.
	Traveling in a light plane and staring through it, I mean, having that light-gated... I mean, there's all sorts of things here that are related, but because of this thing with Dr. Courtney Brown, I might add, we have to be very careful, because in talking about mature Eastern religions, I mean, that's looking to the Matri as replacing Christ, and I think we have to be very careful about this sort of thing.
	And if Father Martin were here, I'm sure he would Well, I'm going to take the scientific approach to this.
	be exposed to necessarily to spiritual beings that we might be courting those that are not
	good and I wonder if your guest could comment on that.
	Oh he will but it will all be positive I guess.
	Go ahead Albert.
	Well I'm going to take the scientific approach to this.
	If I had, because I wasn't looking for spirituality, I wasn't looking for self-awareness or God
	or any of those things.
	I was trying to find out what was wrong with me.
	In my book, it's just simply a journal, be it positive or negative.
	I was just documenting the experiences, and if I had run into anything negative, or demons, or anything like that, it would definitely be in those pages.
	But because it's not in here all this time later, I still have nothing to report on that.
	Then there's nothing for me to really address unless something happens.
	If something happens tomorrow, I will definitely report on it and let you know.
	But so far, so good.
	Everything in years... So you're just relating your honest experience?
	You've never had a negative experience?
	No.
	I've never had any experience with demons or anything like that.
	And I don't know anybody who has been really able to travel at a high percentage of the time who has either.
	So, I would report it if I had the information, or I had personal experiences, but I don't.
	Yep.
	It would be in Soul Traveler, that's for sure.
	Well, it might not be in Soul Traveler.
	You wrote that now some time ago.
	Yeah.
	Well, I would think if I had as many experiences as I had, period, in that book, I would have at least one or two.
	Well, you know... And even in this new book, I don't have any.
	Well, you know, Albert, a good friend of mine, John Lear...
	Some Bill Lear once told me what a very close friend confided in him, and it's bothered me ever since, and now it can bother you a little bit.
	In the spirit of the last caller, he said, when you die, don't go to the light.
	It's a trick.
	Go to the darkness.
	The light is a trick.
	If you go to the light, you're going to eternal hell.
	Yeah, that's where all the flames are, right?
	Yeah, that's right.
	You think about that for a while and mull it over and let it burden you for all your life as it has me since he told me that.
	Go to the light, go to the dark.
	It's a trick.
	From the high desert, Albert Taylor.
	Dr. Albert Taylor, the soul traveler is here.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	I wonder if I can mention we have some new Not only autographed copies of my book available, but I have audio and videotapes now.
	Well, you should have said that a long time ago.
	I know.
	I just thought about that.
	Really?
	All right.
	I didn't want to.
	The most important thing is the spiritual information, you know, the products and all that come second.
	All right.
	So what kind of videotapes do you have?
	I have a videotape of lecturing on discovering the soul through out-of-body experiences and audio tape also on that.
	And they can all be ordered or they can ask for them at, I have a number at 877-728-2736.
	It's the Lightworkers website.
	Again, again, again.
	It's the Lightworkers website.
	877-728-2736.
	Again, again, again.
	877-728-2736.
	And you can get an autographed book and videotaped.
	It's a new audio tape.
	The audio tape and videotape are only a month old.
	Oh, you should have said that a long time ago.
	I know, it got into me.
	877-728-2736.
	Autographed book, tapes, video and audio book.
	Right, and it's all on my website also.
	Alright, excellent.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	I have like three quick things here.
	The first question I have is when you are in this projection, can you project to a different time as opposed to like the future or the past?
	Or are you always in the present?
	I have done that, but I don't do that anymore.
	But yes, it is possible and I have done that.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Ma'am, hold on.
	Okay.
	What do you mean you don't do it anymore?
	I shared with you a couple shows back, maybe even four or five shows back.
	We've done so many now.
	I saw some things in the future regarding the disintegration of my private life, my family life, and a bunch of other things, and it really devastated me, and I did my best to try to stop these things from manifesting.
	I mean, I really did, and they still did, and it was very devastating.
	It was traumatic for me back in 1996, and that's why I only give a couple warnings on this.
	That you can dabble with time travel if you want, but be advised that if you do travel into the future, you may not see what's happening around the world like Daniel Brinkley did with Chernobyl.
	You may see what's happening, a meltdown in your own particular path, and because a lot of things must happen.
	We have free will.
	We can change some things, but some things must transpire.
	And you may have to live with it and just deal with it until it's over.
	So if I journey to the center of the mind, you might not come back.
	Well, a lot of things have happened and it's your life.
	So you have to deal with it.
	Wow, what a totally interesting answer.
	Ma'am?
	Yes.
	Well, that was kind of where I was, one of the questions I had.
	Then another thing was, I had an experience one time, kind of the waking dream quote, so to speak, where I was aware of a little girl that came to my bedside.
	In other words, I didn't leave my body, but I was aware of a visit to my body from someone else.
	It was just different.
	The next morning, I couldn't shake it.
	Later, my mother had a visit from a little girl where she claims to have been totally awake.
	Turned over just in time to kind of see her dematerialize.
	And when she called, and she's not the kind of person that has little crazy stuff happen either.
	I mean, this was kind of real weird.
	And she told me about what had happened, kind of in a serious tone.
	And I said, Oh my God, my little girl's come to visit you.
	And it was just really kind of freaky.
	Well, later, a little girl came into my life.
	In fact, I cut her umbilical cord.
	That I've often wondered, was that her pre-vote?
	Is she now?
	About a year old.
	How old was the girl that visited you?
	Several years old.
	Maybe two, three.
	You know, I've heard of that.
	I shared with you some time ago, Art, that we pick our parents and sometimes during that process we do come to our prospective parents and they do have visions of us and in some cases I've had letters where people have written and said, That the little boy that visited them years before, actually, they later had a boy and he grew up to look exactly like the child that they saw in the vision.
	So, this is quite common and happens quite a bit.
	That's amazing.
	That's amazing.
	All right.
	Well, Cardline, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Albert.
	Good morning.
	Hi.
	I have two real quick questions.
	The first one is, you know, we see people in comas and especially Alzheimer patients.
	I like to stick on this a little bit more.
	In their later stages, obviously they get more and more dementia sets in, but they start to almost go into a semi-comatose state.
	When you're astral traveling, do you meet these people?
	Because, you know, we here on this plane look at it and we kind of wonder, you know, what's the point of all this?
	If these people, you know, their body functions, the minds are gone, do you see anything of Those people traveling up there, and what would be the purpose of all that?
	Well, I can say this.
	If I did have an encounter with someone who had a body that was failing or suffering from Alzheimer's or something like that, the physical abnormalities wouldn't transcend to their astral body, so they wouldn't suffer from Alzheimer's or be handicapped in that sense.
	So, I may have and may not have.
	But you wouldn't be able to tell by the astral form.
	I thought maybe they were working some sort of thing out up there or something, because it's just very confusing to us here below.
	You see them and you just... You wonder what the purpose of that is?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Well, sometimes... Now, think about this, and I'm not saying this is absolute.
	Just think about the impact that that person is having on you.
	Sometimes a person, a soul, can sacrifice their own well-being if you look at it that way.
	To help influence the spiritual evolution of another, and that's an admirable thing to do.
	You're right, that has changed many, many families.
	My second question is, I've mentioned negative experiences.
	You said you didn't have any in your file, but you kind of alluded to maybe some unpleasant or some that you wouldn't say are the greatest.
	Could you give us any examples of what might be considered not Well, he just gave you one with time travel, but yes, do you have any others?
	Well, I have run into... I've created astral forms or thought forms that have hit me.
	I mean, when it hit me, I thought I was going to feel pain, and I actually did.
	One struck me across the mouth, and it really hurt.
	That was a negative experience, but I created it.
	I found that out later, because I don't have those anymore.
	So, yes, there are some people, even astral travelers, even ghosts and spirits, that can play games with you.
	They can't harm you, but they can scare you if you allow them to.
	So that can be a negative experience also.
	If one spirit, though, could help you, why couldn't a spirit hurt you?
	Well, hurt only in a sense if you believe it, because what happens is that you're not on uneven ground with them.
	You're very much on even ground with them.
	And as a matter of fact, you may have a little advantage over them.
	But if you don't know that, then you tend to maybe bend, and then they can take advantage.
	But they might have luggage with stickers from all over the cosmos on it, while you're just out there fresh and new, and you could get suckered in.
	Well, the one thing you can always do if the situation turns out to be More than you can handle.
	You can always pull the ejection seat and go right back to the body.
	Okay.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Yes, Dr. Taylor, I purchased your book about a year ago, Soul Traveler, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
	And I am a second initiate in Ekankar.
	I was just enjoying your references to going to the Los Angeles seminar some time ago and
	making the reference that the people in Meccan Carr did not say they had a soul but said
	they were soul.
	I find it difficult to understand.
	It's just a simple measure of believing that you're a soul that inhabits a body instead
	of a body that has a soul like going to the store and getting a piece of lawn furniture
	or something.
	It's the viewpoint.
	What I wanted to mention was in reference to people who are worried about demons, you
	mentioned earlier about thought forms whenever you transcend to a higher state of consciousness.
	Thank you.
	For instance, going from the physical, to the astral, to the mental, to the causal, the etheric, each one just a more refined state of vibrations.
	So, thus, the thought forms manifest more easily.
	So, I use the analogy, when you're a kid and you see you're worried about the boogeyman in your dreams, When you wake up, when you grow older and you're an adult, you find out that the evil that exists is in the minds of men who use the pronoun consolidation.
	In other words, the analogy is that the evil comes from the thought forms that the demon self-made.
	I totally agree with you.
	I find it difficult to believe that if we are transcending through a higher state of
	consciousness that we have to worry about demons and evil if we're not thinking about
	to begin with.
	I totally agree.
	I think you only experience what you take into it.
	Now that I don't take those things into the experience, I don't have any demons in my
	life.
	Yeah, and one other thing.
	I agree.
	You had written in Kara Wilson's book, How I Learned Soul Travel, because you made reference
	to that in your book.
	There was one in Wilson's book as to when he did go out of his body and he ended up
	in some room of what he thought was the astral plane.
	He was talking with some individuals who asked him if he was alive or dead.
	He thought that was kind of strange, and he told them alive, and they commended him for his ability to have a physical body on the physical plane, but be where people who had deceased had already gone.
	Oh, that's wild.
	That is a much higher plane, right, Albert?
	Right, yeah.
	Achieve that level where he was challenged and they said, what are you doing here?
	You know, at a level where normally we only go after the body has failed and died.
	So yes, we can.
	I think we're only limited by our own ability to evolve.
	Robert Monroe actually told me that story before he passed away.
	I interviewed him.
	We're only limited by our own It's good to be on the show.
	I listen all the time.
	This is Harlan out in Grand Junction, Colorado.
	Hi, Harlan.
	to achieve incredible heights and experiences.
	And I agreed with everything he had to say. I'm not sure he was disputing anything.
	No, he really wasn't. Leslie Rockings, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor. Hi.
	Hey Art and Dr. Taylor. Yes, sir.
	It's good to be on the show. I listen all the time. This is Harlan out in Grand Junction, Colorado.
	Hi, Harlan.
	A couple questions, a few comments and a question.
	You say that this is more than just like a little day trip through your imagination.
	It's an actual travel, spiritual travel.
	And you say you're not able to bring any evil will or hatred or bitterness with you.
	It kind of stays you.
	It bans your travel.
	No, you can take it with you.
	It's just going to limit you.
	Okay, it's going to limit you, but you were saying you can't really do evil or harmful things to other people.
	Well, I haven't been able to.
	I mean, I don't know what you possibly could do.
	The closest evil or anything you could do to anybody would be what Robert Monroe did by pinching someone.
	Other than that, I haven't been able to affect non-physical, I mean, non-organic matter, let alone influence somebody else.
	Right.
	What I'm getting at is that, having listened to Art Bell's show before, there are evil spirits out there.
	According to his show, and if you're out there on the same playing field as him, don't you think you're kind of leaving yourself without protection at kind of a vulnerable position to sort of play Astro Chess with someone who may not be out there?
	I mean, aren't you leaving yourself in kind of a dangerous position?
	And you talked about somebody punching you in the face, an image that you created, but What do you know about the possibilities of dangerous activities going on with a spiritual body that's not so kind?
	I have no information on evil entities.
	I mean, if there was, I would report it.
	But I don't.
	And I travel at least once a week.
	I've been doing it since I was 5 for 40 years.
	And I don't have these experiences.
	Earlier Art even said something to the effect of, It sounds only like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, excuse me, and missionaries are able to do this kind of travel.
	Maybe it's because you look at yourself as a more spiritual, less evil person, and someone who's less experienced who reads your book and decides they're going to try some of these things.
	Perhaps they're not as pure as you believe they are, and they could be in a lot of trouble with someone out there that's not so friendly.
	Okay, one misnomer is that, first of all, that only a few people can do this.
	First of all, that's incorrect because 100% of us can do this, but only about 25 to 30% of us remember it.
	So each one of us are doing it almost every night on a nightly basis or having out-of-body experiences, but a lot of us are in the dream state and don't remember.
	I wonder if those are the ones that turn up as shadow people?
	It's very possible, like a sleepwalking type of person.
	Yeah.
	It's very possible.
	Sometimes they project to certain areas, maybe they were worried about a test they were going to take a few days later and project it to that classroom.
	You know why that might make sense?
	Because the shadow people, many times, when they know they're seen, are very surprised and poof, disappear, as in back to body.
	It very well could be.
	I'm neutral about that.
	If it exists, I want to know about it, too, because I don't want to go into that neighborhood.
	If I find some area that I think you shouldn't go, I'm going to caution you, because my whole thing here is exploration.
	Like 95% positive.
	I tell you, caller, what the hell?
	Give it a click to be hit by a Buick.
	Also, where did you, how did you become a doctor?
	Where did you study it to become Dr. Taylor?
	Trinity University in Dublin, Ireland.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much for the call, and take care.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
	Hello?
	Hello, are you there?
	Yes.
	Yeah, hey, I was wondering if During this traveling, Dr. Taylor, if you're limited to the Earth?
	No.
	Oh, no.
	Not at all.
	You're not limited to the physical plane, period.
	You can go anywhere physically.
	Could I go up to the landing site on the moon?
	You can go anywhere.
	If you can focus your thoughts, you can go there.
	Have you been up there?
	I have been past the moon.
	I wrote it in my book.
	I mean, have you seen these actual Apollo landing sites?
	Did you find any?
	No, but I've seen that video now.
	I think it's on my list of things to do.
	You know, actually, I'm told you don't really consider that sort of specific thing.
	That if you made it to the moon, you'd probably have other things on your mind.
	Yeah, I probably wouldn't think about that, I would think.
	It does a lot to focus on the same things that the personality, earthbound personality self defines important.
	It takes a lot.
	A few years ago, an old friend of mine, she said her aunt was kind of like the drummings in that, into this field.
	And that they would all meet down in the center of the earth.
	I don't know where that would be, if that would be... Center of the earth?
	Yeah, maybe it's like a meeting place, or is that...
	Hey, that's a final destination.
	I never did it.
	She invited me to come do it, and I was kind of chicken to even think about it.
	I wouldn't pick that out as my first travel destination.
	No way.
	According to Greek mythology, that's the realm of the lord Hades, so I don't know.
	I want contact with her, so I'm kind of wondering if that's who my cats see when I'm sitting there having a few highballs at night.
	Look up and she's looking at something.
	It kind of spooks you out.
	It does, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	All right, Collin, thank you very much.
	Albert, we're woefully short on time now, so let's see.
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	Albert, as always, what a blast.
	It's been great, Art.
	It has been great.
	Albert, thank you.
	My pleasure.
	And good night.
	All right.
	Tomorrow night, warning, warning, warning, warning.
	Major Ed Daines is going to be here, and he has said to me personally that it's going to be grim.
	Not unusual for Major Ed Daines, but I'm giving you a full 24 hours warning.
	Take the radio away from the kids.
	They're up at this hour.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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