Art Bell and Dr. Albert Taylor explore shadow people—4,000+ reports from listeners—linking them to out-of-body experiences (OBEs), where 8M Americans claim near-death encounters. Taylor, a Trinity University-trained expert, dismisses fears of physical harm during OBEs, citing no trauma or death cases despite decades of weekly travel. He argues astral voyeurism or sex stems from energy-sharing, not malice, with 95% of experiences positive, though unprepared minds may invite negative entities. Unintentional projections could explain shadow people sightings, per Bell’s theory. Ultimately, Taylor’s research suggests OBEs reveal a deeper, non-physical consciousness, challenging materialist skepticism while reassuring listeners of safety. [Automatically generated summary]
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And good luck.
I always wonder, I really do, too.
You know, some program director and manager who are sitting there at some new radio station that has just come on that very night, and you never know what we're going to be doing, right?
And they've signed up for it because they know it's a very popular show, and the ratings are good, and, you know, for whatever reasons they do it, they've got an opening at night.
Sure, we'll give it a try.
And then they're sitting there, and by about an hour later, they've got their heads in their hands going, oh, what have I done?
So, listen for a while.
It takes a while to grow on you.
All right, so what's going on in the world?
I see the prime minister in Japan is going to resign.
One of Japan's most unpopular in decades.
Told his cabinet Friday that that's it.
He will resign.
Didn't set a date, though.
Seems like Japanese prime ministers come and go a lot lately.
Have you noticed that?
How many have we had in the last few years somebody to account for me?
It's a lot.
I know that.
Listen, tonight I'm going to let you talk about the shadow people.
Now, the reason is because in the next hour I've got a guest who may have something to bear on the shadow people.
Albert Taylor has written now a couple of books on out-of-body experiences, OBEs.
And there is every reason to believe that OBEs would be a prime candidate for the shadow people.
I just don't know what to do with this topic anymore.
I want an expert on the shadow people, and I don't know where you get an expert on the shadow people.
I have in excess now of 4,000 emails from people who have seen shadow people.
4,000 emails sitting in there.
I'm not sure what to do with them.
I've got them in a special shadow person section on my computer.
And I'm sort of holding them.
And every time I look at them, I go, God, we've stumbled into something really big, really big, and I don't know what to do with it.
So you want to talk about shadow people tonight?
Fine.
Come on ahead.
Let's rock.
I've got to get to the bottom of this somehow.
That's much too much communication.
And lately, no matter what the subject, if I open the phone, people want to talk about the shadow people.
So obviously, we're on to something really big.
It's just a matter of what.
On this program, a lot of times that's the chief question.
And how I know this, I talked to you about, well, three or four, maybe a week ago, and I explained to you that I've been abducted since I was seven many, many times.
One of the things that happens when you get abducted is they kind of erase your short-term memory so that even though you're not exactly, they always do it at night.
Take me away and download my memory and then that process sort of muddles my short-term memory.
A lot, because I'm exposed to it all, and I still get my long-term memory, but I don't remember these things until years later, because the short-term memory is gone.
But as for the shadow people, and they tell me all sorts of things.
There could be more than one type or species of what you call shadow people.
Some of them could be people who have passed on, as you say, and some of them could be people that are traveling out of their bodies.
But also, I think maybe some of them might be what the people know as the fairies and elves, and their real names are the powers of nature and forces of the elements.
I attended a group many years ago, and the lady who held it was psychic, and she could see the beings of the elements, and her front door happened to be open, and she said, oh, there's a little fairy, and she picked it up.
We couldn't see it.
She picked it up, and she passed it around the room, and we each had it on our lap.
But anyway, there you'd be with your hand held out, feeling no fairy feet, no fairy weight, seeing no fairy.
Just having to imagine there's a fairy there and sort of playing along because there's a bunch of other people there and they're all saying, hey, the fairy.
I would say about 80% of my audience knows who Dr. Albert Taylor is.
But that's only 80%.
So we'll make you familiar with Albert Taylor and out-of-body experiences.
It's real.
Out-of-body experiences are as real as the rain that hits your face on a rainy day.
I mean, they're just absolutely real.
What they mean, what they're really all about, where you go and what you do during them, those are all really interesting questions.
But we'll cover OBEs from the get-go and give you sort of the short version of what an OBE is.
Bear in mind and be patient with me because remember, there's a lot of new listeners out there who have no idea what this is all about.
So for their sake, we're going to go over it a little bit here in the beginning, and then we'll branch out.
And no doubt, before very long at all, we'll get and we'll.
Well, in honor of the lady who called last hour, she was really cute.
She was talking about a fairy.
I don't know how many of you heard that.
She said this lady went to her door and said, oh, look, a fairy.
And she went over and she picked up the fairy, which I guess nobody could see but the lady, and she brought it in her little cupped hand, and she handed it to my caller, who held her hand out and held the little fairy.
And I said, well, could you feel any little fairy feet?
No.
Could you see a little fairy?
No.
Did you just sort of go along with it because everybody else thought that it was a fairy?
Well, yeah.
And so, in honor of that lady, who I kind of had fun with, for all I know, she was holding a fairy.
Just couldn't see it and feel it.
I have taken a special photograph on my webcam, which you can now see.
I had one photograph up there, but it was irresistible, so you can see me holding my little fairy.
That's on my website.
www.artbell.com.
And then go to program and webcam.
And this photograph is honor of the fairy lady.
All right.
Now to become serious, if that's possible.
Dr. Albert Taylor came to my rescue and I to his, I suppose, some years ago when people called up and said, Art, it was almost like the shadow people.
You know, it's so close in a lot of ways to the way we began our relationship, the shadow people story.
I was getting all these, one person called and said, Art, I was in bed one night and I froze and I couldn't move.
I was literally paralyzed.
And then sometimes people would say, well, I'd actually move up out of my body or I'd move down into the mattress out of my body, but out of body.
But mostly this paralyzed moment.
And I'd had it myself.
As I've seen these little, whatever in God's name they are that you see in peripheral vision, I had had this frozen feeling myself in that twilight of sleep or whatever it is.
And we couldn't figure out what it could be.
And I started getting, as I am now, then I got hundreds of emails.
Now I get thousands on a subject like this.
And I had hundreds of people saying exactly the same thing.
And we hadn't talked about OBEs.
OBEs had not been talked about on this program.
I didn't even know what an OBE was at that point.
And to the rescue came Dr. Albert Taylor, who's written a book on the subject, on OBEs.
I was back in my body, waking up my wife, annoying her, telling her what had just happened to me.
I was so, you know, I had adrenaline going like crazy, but I was so surprised and shocked by it that I instantly went back to my body.
There is no question I was out of my body, but I didn't know what was coming on.
I didn't wish for it.
I didn't try for it.
I didn't know how to control it.
In fact, none of that went through my mind.
I just freaked out and I was back in my body that fast.
And that's been the extent of my travels.
unidentified
Well, you remember the way my book begins is all it is is a diary of me having these experiences which went from the age five, age five, I would have them once a week, and then suddenly, for whatever reason, at age 35, they increased from once a week to several times a week, and then several times a night.
And in my family, see, even to this day, several members of my family have this experience a lot, just like me, except they haven't gone beyond the paralysis.
So even to this day, when I would try to talk to them about it and mention it, either I would get some kind of fearful condemnation like I was bad, or they just didn't want to talk about it at all because they were terrified of it.
So I never heard of out-of-body experiences or any of that thing.
All I knew was about this witch ride thing, and I knew that not only was I having the paralysis, but at age five, something was moving around my room and something was calling my name.
But I had no one to talk to it about.
And then later, wait a minute, calling your name, huh?
Yeah, that would be terrifying because, and I hate to bring it up already, this shadow people thing.
But even last hour, we were kind of talking about that a little bit.
And one possibility of the shadow people is, you know, Mr. Death coming to get you, right?
And if something in a dark, shrouded, hooded, black, indecipherable figure comes and sort of raises a hand to you, beckoning, a bony, pointed, pointed finger.
You have hence and since learned not only to deal with the fear that comes with that moment of being paralyzed, but going beyond it, which is a real key, and then actually leaving your body, right?
And when you leave your body, you can literally go anywhere.
In other words, what you see when you leave your body can be later confirmed, correct?
unidentified
And yeah, definitely.
And like, that's one of the things, see, I thought it was, as I got past the witch ride superstition, I started thinking, well, this is just a lucid dream.
And that was okay because I was having fun, I was flying, and if it's just, I knew I was having the experience, and if it was a lucid dream, then so be it.
But when someone, a doctor who had had a near-death experience, I attended her class, and she is the first one that ever even asked me the question of if I was having night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
And she was the very first person that suggested that it was more than just a lucid dream.
So I didn't believe her.
I was very skeptical about it.
So the first thing I did is I told her, well, it's happening to me almost every night.
And if it's really happening, then I'm going to try and come see you.
I said that kind of skeptically.
And I really didn't think it would work.
I had no confidence in it, but I knew it was happening a lot.
And because I'm a scientist, I figured, you know, process of elimination, that will at least be something that didn't work.
But I was surprised that I did have, after leaving the physical body, after having the paralysis, after making my request, I felt some strange presence around me.
And next thing I knew, I was in the same flying mode that I had been in for years and years and years.
There was no difference, except that I couldn't control the direction, because I guess I had already made my request, but I could control the altitude and the speed in which I would fly.
I kind of like this young lady who sent me the email that said, we're really, really sorry that your plane hit ours.
unidentified
You know, I don't really think since we're in international airspace, I don't think we have anything to be apologetic for.
The faster-moving aircraft is the one who's really responsible in any case because he can get out of the way a lot faster.
And he probably was harassing the turboprop-driven Navy ship, and something happened, and they clipped each other, and I think he knocked out two of the engines.
They landed on only two props.
And unfortunately, having a small fighter, it can be gouged and damaged very easily and probably caught fire and crashed.
Well, somebody in the administration today said that that Chinese, they knew that Chinese pilot somehow, I guess Intel did, and he's a hot dog, they say.
unidentified
Yeah, see, you know, that happens here.
That could have very well happened.
And unfortunately, now this is the whole thing.
Do you remember when the Russian pilot flew that MiG to, I think it was to Japan one time about 10 years ago?
I'd be in there with more Fujifilm than they could stalk any other.
unidentified
That's probably what's happening.
But before the crew landed, they did destroy a lot of data and I'm pretty sure they destroyed some of the valuable stuff, but it's just possibly the setup and then there's a few other things and maybe some boards and things like that that they probably can recover.
And then from there, I wanted to work on a larger aircraft.
And I think President Reagan had just gotten back in office, and he restarted, rekindled the B-1 bomber program, which was killed by, I think, Jimmy Carter.
So I started working on the B-1 on design of the flight control systems and the rotary launcher, which launched cruise missiles, things like that.
I, uh, of course, I tried it in Alaska with a hang glider because I thought that'd be closest thing to it.
I broke my arm, compound fracture.
Very disappointing.
the actual flight time was in the seconds the crashing time was So since then, I've wanted to try it, and someone told me that if I would just get on an ultralight with an engine, it would be all right.
I've been thinking about that real hard.
There's a vice president of Intel Corporation who's a good friend of mine, and he wants to take me up, up and away.
And I've been thinking real hard about it.
My wife keeps saying no.
My boss keeps saying no.
And I keep thinking yes.
So we'll see.
Maybe one of these days that's exactly what I'm going to do.
Yeah, I think, yeah, it was, right after the book came out.
Since then, God, time is flying hard.
Since then, literally hundreds of thousands of people have written me and come to the lectures and all kinds of things talking about their experiences.
I mean, right now I have just tons of letters I haven't been able to get a whole gift to because there's so many people now having these experiences.
Well, matter of fact, that's two-thirds of the answer.
The OBE category gets divided into living and dead because, I mean, a near-death experience, leaving the physical body, that type of thing is still an OBE.
The other kind could be yourself in a way, but it has to do with a difference in time shift and reality, and physical plane shift.
But these are the very rare ones.
The most common one that probably people will see are the ones that are people who do not live or are deceased or are in between lives.
And the reason, and I have a real couple of interesting stories that I'd like to share with you that kind of give you a little bit of idea.
Even though we here with the physical body and the five senses are very aware of our three-dimensional world.
But in that case, they have no limitations like that.
And what it is, is really a vibratory level.
And that's why sometimes when you see them, depending on how turned up your five senses are, the more turned up your five senses are, the less you're going to be able to perceive these things.
And so when you try to look and you try to focus on what you thought you saw out of the corner of your eye, you no longer can perceive it.
It's only when you're not thinking about it that you kind of see something move around you.
Now what happens is in the lowest area of perceiving these things, you perceive it as a dark humanoid type shape, generally, transparent shape.
It's moving rapidly because it's independent of your time frame.
So it can move out of your vision very, very rapidly without you even seeing which direction it went.
At a higher level, it's usually because of an altered state or you're nearing like an out-of-body consciousness, but they can also happen when you're nearing the point of death or about to die.
People in hospices start seeing the shadows in the early part of their life degrading, and then right before the day they leave, they can see it even clearer and sometimes even see the physical person standing there.
Now my uncle, he passed away a few years ago, and a couple days before he passed away at Veterans Memorial Hospital, I was talking to him and occasionally he would look over my shoulder as if he were seeing something and I'd look like as if someone walked in the room and there was nothing there and I'd look back at him and he would look at me puzzled like he didn't really want to say what he thought he saw.
A few days later I got a call saying that he was on his last leg and I only had a few hours to live and yet he was still conscious.
When I came into the room and I sat there next to the bed talking to him, he looked over and he said to me, and then this really, and this was before I started having these out of experiences and things, he said to me, who is that standing over in the corner of a room smiling at me?
And I looked over my shoulder, there was no one I could see there.
But because his life was ebbing away slowly but surely, that meant he was slowly turning down the volume on his five senses and starting to turn up the volume on his extra senses, the ones that we have in the out-of-body state or at a higher level.
And then the next day after that, he passed away.
So that tells you that at the very low level, they're very hard to perceive.
They're glimpses, shadows, wisps of wind, that kind of thing.
And at the higher level of consciousness or nearing the point of death, leaving the physical body, then we can perceive these a lot more.
I have another story about a similar kind of thing where a friend of mine had a near-death experience who never believed in any of these things at all.
He never even thought, I told him I was having out-of-body experiences, and he said, yeah, that's kind of crazy, Al, but I love you anyway.
He really thought I was not.
And I've known him for years.
But one day, he woke up.
He had a respiratory problem.
He was taken to the hospital in an emergency.
Right before he got out of the car, he had excruciating pains in his chest.
They put him on a gurney, and he said when they laid him back on the gurney, he knew he had taken his last breath.
He clutched his chest.
All of a sudden, there was a loud pop, and then next thing he knew, he was staring, he was outside of a crowd of people working on this guy on a gurney.
And he was looking at the doctors, and he thought to himself, why are you working on him?
You should be working on me.
And just as he said that, all of a sudden, these beings, like several of them, not just one or two, but maybe eight or nine, surrounded him toward the back.
And he told me, he said he really, for a few seconds, he really thought about going with them because he really felt that he wanted to go somewhere that he had really left or kind of like returning home kind of feeling.
But then he thought about the people that he would be leaving behind, his kids and things like that.
And he made his decisions to stay.
Just about that time, a nurse came running out of the hospital, put this apparatus on the guy on the gurney that they were working on, and next thing he knew, he felt this extreme acceleration, and he felt like as if he was slammed onto the gurney.
He was staring up at the crowd, the circle of people staring at him and looking at him and saying, you're not going to die, you'll be all right.
And so when he called me up, and here I am, a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, and my best friend has a near-death experience, which is quite weird.
So he calls me up, and I go down to the hospital, and he's in the hospital shaking his head, and I said, well, what's wrong?
So he couldn't perceive them when he was in the physical, but as soon as he got out of the physical, he could perceive a multitude of people around him who were non-physical beings.
Well, then I'm going to look at all the cases of everybody who's ever gone to the brink of death and come back.
And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a list of everything that all of these people have in common.
And then I'm going to see if there's some similarities.
Now, if it's just a random thing and it's not related to anything beyond the body or a consciousness that exists beyond the physical, then there should be very few things, categories, that match in all of these people that I test.
No matter what your spiritual beliefs are, no matter what your geographical location is, no matter what your academic level of achievement is, no matter what anything, no matter if your gender is, there's multiple patterns of the same types of things people are talking about all over the world.
And not 100%, but about 70 to 80%, which to me, I think is quite phenomenal and needs to be definitely paid attention to because that's a pattern that implies some type of proof or at least is a beginning of indication of proof.
That would make me feel better about my own results.
And then still I would have some doubt, but they would tend to sway me in more of the pattern of thinking of that there is something going on rather than there isn't.
And there's really no way, is there, to get proof beyond that point, the gathering of similar cases.
And if it was just endorphins, you would think you'd get an absolutely random spectacular descriptions of experiences, but you wouldn't get this repetitive experience.
And looking at it psychologically, you would think that if this was an individual experience, then the experience that they would be able to relate would be based on their individual lives.
So it would be from their perception or their perspective only, not in a general sense.
Well, if we're talking about a non-traumatic death, meaning you haven't been thrown through the windshield or something like that, I would say it's quite pleasant, quite peaceful, and that leads me to my third story I'd like to share with you.
Well, I heard his brother tell him on the radio many times, and then I think I read about it in some magazine or something like that.
But I did hear his brother talk about it.
And as a matter of fact, his brother even said that up until that point, he had no belief in anything after that.
But because of that experience with Sam, he began to believe that there had to be something else going on because of the last few minutes of his life and what happened.
So whatever he wasn't able to perceive in the physical, and as he began to slowly lose grips with the physical body and the five senses, all of a sudden he could perceive something else there that brought him comfort and solace.
Well, we were talking about the guy you had on before and how he didn't believe there was a soul.
And I totally understand his position 100%.
And none of the things that I've shared with you over the past few years, I would have ever shared with you if it hadn't been for some sort of personal experience.
And it's just like you could be the inventor of the bicycle, and you could tell me about it.
You don't have to walk anymore, Al.
I'd be real skeptical.
Well, I want to see this thing.
And then you'd pull it out and show it to me.
And I'd go, well, that doesn't mean that you can ride this thing or it helps you get from here to there.
And then you can get on it and you can ride it.
And seeing you ride it and all that is almost enough to really convince me that it's a good thing.
But what's really going to do it for me, as me personally, is if I get on the bike and I learn how to ride it.
With one experience, and I would probably think that way too, with one experience.
But if you repeat it over and over again, and then you, and so let's say you decide that, because you've got to remember, Art, and you know this, my book is my diary, and I never plan on sharing it with anybody.
But then you start breaking down what kind of experiences you start having.
Then you have experiences like in my book, and I talk about seeing my dead aunt on more than one occasion.
The very first time, I was so, I just refused to accept it.
I didn't believe in life after death or any of that.
Then the second time, because we were communicating with more than just visuals, I was thoroughly convinced that this, whatever this thing was, it was definitely my aunt.
And I already knew I carried her coffin to the grave.
So that kind of experience, coupled with another experience with another deceased person, and then you add on to that, and then none of these are just disjointed experiences.
And if you're able to repeat this anyway, no matter if you tell anybody else, you personally are going to come to some kind of understanding about this or some kind of belief.
I got a clean bill of health, yet these experiences continued.
So I thought, okay, I'm going to document this.
If I'm going nuts, I'm going to document this in as much detail as I possibly can, because when they find me babbling and drooling in the corner with my journal next to me, they'll know how I got there.
And then I realized that the only really, truly dangerous place that I could ever venture and walk around would be in physical life compared to this because there was nothing negative on the other side.
Because that's a good thing, because eventually it's only going to go to a certain extent, and you're not going to go into this abyss of darkness.
You're going to go all of a sudden into a super conscious state.
So you'll make a transition into that feeling that you had when you felt free, completely free and super aware.
That's what happens right before that feeling of losing it or fading away.
And if you can hang on past that, you'll realize that soon All of that will be gone, kind of like my friend saying there was a pop and then he felt fine.
All of that will be gone and then you will be in total control of a new body, or not a new body, really very old, but a new vehicle that you can move, actually move around your environment in.
You maintain that when leaving your body, and we did cover sort of getting up out of your body, I guess, and short of having a full-length mirror above your bed, and there'll be questions about that, seeing yourself is a key, right?
So you maintain that it is ultra safe, that nothing can go wrong.
That while you're out of your body, if anything even begins to go wrong in any way with your physical body, boom, you're back in your body again, right?
Well, this is what I would look for as a scientist, is that I would take a group of individuals who are claiming to have these experiences, and then out of all this large group of individuals, I would look for some type of abnormality regarding their health,
maybe a reduction in heartbeat, blood pressure, something, some kind of pattern that starts to indicate that the body is failing in some kind of way and about to give up the life force.
And if I could find some kind of repeatable pattern in this group of individuals, then I would tend to believe that possibly this particular practice may lead to some type of trauma to the physical body or even possible death.
But with all the groups that I have ever, ever seen, not one of them has been ill in any way, shape, or form, or has their health degraded in any way, shape, or form.
And in fact, a lot of them have reported the opposite, that they're in better health than they've ever been.
In my case, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
If there were a chance of slipping out the door the other way, there should be some physical sign in the physical body.
It's a machine.
There should be a reduction of something in the body that shows that the life force is waning away if people can die through this.
But there isn't any evidence whatsoever that the body's life force or its physical condition health-wise degrades at all, even a little bit, through the out-of-body experience.
So tomorrow night the kiddies are out of the room and right now too because the next segment is going to contain some rather adult material, something we haven't covered with Al Taylor previously, but it's about to.
This will be a trick, easy question first from Ken in Phoenix, Arizona.
I think it's a very interesting question.
In my experience, the further out you go, the more peaceful, safe it becomes.
Ken, a very evolved person from Phoenix, Arizona, asks, could someone doing an OBE, astral projection, observe someone of the opposite sex undressing, showering?
This is somebody who at one point actually attended a Learning Light seminar that you did in Southern California.
Her name is Karen, and she writes as follows.
All right.
I thought I heard you mention that Al Taylor is going to be on the show this week.
If so, can you please pin him down and get him to talk frankly about the sexual aspects of OBEs?
I can certainly understand why OBE experts hesitate to openly discuss that angle of the experience, but the fact is, sex often plays a very prominent role, especially for a beginner who does not have a lot of control over the experience.
And definitely if the person has a lot of pent-up sexual energy, which is not being utilized in the physical state.
Robert Monroe does have an entire chapter devoted to sex in one of his OBE books, but he's one of the few authorities who's brave enough to delve into the issue.
I'm not done yet.
Here's the best part.
Since no one really talks openly about it, I was very confused as to why, especially at the beginning, I kept finding myself flying out over the ocean, then being pulled down to ships at sea, having orgies for hours with the astral forms of men on those ships.
But I finally theorized that what was happening was that my intense, pent-up female sexual energy was drawing me to the male energy, sexual energy of the men on the ships, who were no doubt sex craves due to being pulled away from women for so long while out to sea.
And in my new book, Soul Traveler 2 Grounded by Bad Weather, I have a chapter that says physical sex, astral sex, and God.
And it talks about exactly all of that.
And so this is, and that's something that I've been getting a lot of questions on, and I never really addressed it in any of my lectures or the book before, but I definitely cover it in the new book.
But I give you a little bit different perspective on what it's all about.
And it's not, because we know it's not about procreation, because the physical, the astral body can procreate.
What is the desire to bond or share that kind of energy?
What's really going on there?
And that's what I talk about in the new book.
I go beyond just the physical aspect of what it is and what we think it is and go into, since we're talking non-physical, into the energy aspect of it and what we're really trying to achieve in that desire.
What's really going on there?
And I believe it has a lot more to do with connecting with our true selves and God than it does the actual act of sex or procreation.
And so there is something greater than just sex aspect of what's drawing us to that whole experience.
And what's a true experience is something that I believe is becoming one to what we were before we came here and the pure ecstasy of what it's like to be close to, if you believe in, God or the Creator.
And the reason I even say that is because I have another friend of mine who had a near-death experience.
And she drowned while diving off the island of Catalina.
And when she had her, she said when she felt that her, I think her regulator started malfunctioning, and all of a sudden she started panicking and suffocating.
Then the next thing she knew, she was surrounded by this song, and then she found herself floating above the water, watching her physical body sink below the waves, and then she was drawn up into the light, and this is how she described it.
She said, the experience of reuniting with this light source, this intelligent conscious energy, was purely orgasmic.
So I think, and that's why her description and a lot of other people's descriptions who've actually gone to beyond just the physical, beyond just having an out-of-body experience to actually having some encounter with this light force, that seems to be the big draw of what's going on there.
And everything else we do is almost kind of supplementing that in the astral.
And the physical, I believe, is definitely so that we can procreate and populate the planet.
In the astral, it doesn't make sense to apply those same rules.
Caesar and Anaheim asks or says, since I have had out-of-body experiences since I was a child, so he's like you in a way.
But I want to know how not to have them.
I just want to sleep.
And I would add myself that compared to bad dreams or even a frightening bit of being paralyzed or an OBE, some people prefer the old-fashioned little slice of death.
So if he's having them and he can't stop them, I'm not sure you've ever considered this before.
You probably don't get this question all that often.
The thing is, I can tell you about when you're about to separate from the physical or you're having the night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
The one thing that seems to bring me back faster than anything is not trying to move my entire physical body, but trying to move just a small portion of my body, like my little finger or my toe or something like that.
So if you want to get out of the paralysis and not have an out-of-body experience, just try to move a small portion of your body.
And once you can do that, everything else kind of reconnects on its own.
So, for somebody in jail, this would be a really good thing.
For somebody who can't otherwise travel, maybe they're confined to bed, maybe they've got a spinal injury, they can't move, whatever the cause would be, this is a way to still move independent of the body.
If you were at a conscious level and you knew you were having a consciously controlled out-of-body experience, something could happen and you would be impervious to pain.
But if you weren't all that aware and you were kind of lucid and didn't know what was going on and kind of believed that this was a real lion or a shark or whatever, and it did you, you could imagine and actually feel pain.
People have been hypnotized where they have been given quarters and told that these quarters are hot.
And then the person, they put it in the hand and they ask the quarter because they believed in their consciousness was convinced that it actually left a ring around their palm as if they had been burned.
The mind is so incredibly powerful, it takes a lot of practice to control.
But it's up to you.
It's not an external thing.
So that gives you hope right there.
It's about what do you want to do?
And you have complete the, you have the ability to control your out-of-body experience and have nothing but wonderful experiences as long as you focus on that and practice and release some of the negative stuff.
The mind is very, very powerful.
It's almost like being a genie all of a sudden.
And anything you think will manifest, be it good or bad.
There's no judgment.
It will just happen.
So with that kind of consciousness, it really takes a lot of practice to be able to control it as much as possible.
It's because that particular neighbor is sensitive to subtle energies.
And that particular neighbor can pick up more than just your astral form, probably can pick up a lot of astral forms or dark shadows or something that's non-physical.
But yes, it is definitely possible.
It is also possible and more probable that children and babies can see you.
And it is more probable and possible that animals can detect you also.
Like cats.
Cats and things like that can perceive subtle energies that we humans in the physical form aren't able to do.
Have you ever had a physical person or animal or any being recognize you, recognize your presence, acknowledge your presence, or be scared by your presence, or in any way react to you?
There's one thing that matters that we have very little control over in this lifetime, and that one thing is the particular evolutionary state of our soul.
Our souls are different levels of evolution.
They've evolved to a certain point.
The more evolved the particular soul is, the more talents it has, the more capabilities it has.
And it can branch into everything from being able to move physical objects in the astral to healing and a bunch of other things.
So not everyone who has an Ada Bai experience is going to be able to do the same thing.
Some people will barely be able to move around the room.
Some people will be able to move around a lot.
I was just at this conference where an individual was telling me, she was telling me that she was able to move the blinds in her bedroom.
I haven't seen anybody do that yet, but she was explaining to me that she had gotten to that point.
So it just depends on the evolutionary state of the person and in the physical, it depends on the amount of practice and where they're really focused on how much they think they can do consciously.
It would be great to get some calls from overseas because on the tour of the new book, I'm going to be going to England and Germany, as a matter of fact.
Yes, what I did is in chapter 10 is dedicated solely on how to do it, what it means, what to look for, everything, road signs, everything, and it gives you several different techniques.
And after all this time, I have heard at least every one of the techniques has worked for somebody.
You might see them out of the corner of your eye and whatever, but they're going to be I mean, the better you get at it, the more places you can go.
Protection-wise, I mean, I understand her privacy concerns and all of that, but it's very rare for a person to target another individual and be able to go see them uninvited.
Well, the people that I have read their books, and they have had incredible journeys, are generally people who are spiritually grounded or spiritually aware.
For instance, like Gananda and a few other Indian gurus, and even people like Robert and things like that, they weren't focused in that aggression, anger area.
Most of the people have been very well educated, peaceful, kind, and that kind of thing.
So I tend to believe that it goes hand in hand with that direction rather than the other.
But if people are in, let's say, their first experiences and they're kind of like floating around and not really getting their bearings, and they have all this extra sexual energy or pent-up energy where they want to, I guess, get connected with other people, would this be an explanation for the mythologies of succubus or incubus?
And they would try to report it, and since that's such an ancient belief, then they would try to equate it and understand it based on what they understand about their reality.
And demons and things like that were part of their reality, so I could see them saying that.
unidentified
And it was usually priests or other people who had a lifestyle that didn't let them really go into that area anyway.
I would say the priest probably never, or the high priest or whatever they would have been called at that time, probably never would have admitted to it.
Usually it was the people or the common folk that would talk about things like that and they would go to the head of the church or whatever, the spiritual leader of that area, and he would be the one to either condemn them or exorcise them or whatever.
unidentified
Exorcise them.
One quick further question.
If a person isn't ethical and they're out there, I mean, because I've known people who've had them, they didn't even expect it.
Well, I mean, since it is a talent of the soul, a lot of people are going to have the experience.
Now, how many times and how good they are at it, I think that all depends on pretty much how clean your house is.
I mean, you faint to be able to travel, but to really accomplish, to have no limits, I believe that those type of things, negativities and things like that, hold you back.
And the only reason I would say it is possible, only because I don't see it being impossible, but I can say this, I haven't run into anybody that I can know that is really efficient at it, that is unethical also.
I have run into somebody recently, and it's rare that someone gets nauseous, but I just ran into this person, I think, within the last 24 to 48 hours getting nauseous and having a stomach problem.
But like I said, that is out of 100 people, that's maybe 1%.
When you have out-of-body experiences, non-physical world opens up to you.
And you could have encounters with everything from strangers who have passed to astral travelers, which are very, that's very rare, to non-physical beings that the same ones that come when a person is about to die or something that is about to happen, traumatic experiences are about to happen.
So you could have encounters with a whole host of non-physical beings.
And see, that's maybe another terminology for the same thing.
I know this, is when I've come out a lot, there are the same kind of, there's maybe one being there or maybe a few, but it's always the same beings or same type of beings.
And sometimes there may be a deceased person that I may not know.
But if you look at it, then I would think if there's shadow people with something different from these, then I should be able to, since I'm at a heightened sense of awareness way beyond the five senses, I can pick up what the five senses can and more.
I should be able to see maybe this other group of individuals, standalone individuals who we label shadow people.
But I don't.
I see these other things all the time.
So I'm thinking maybe because we, I really believe that we as a human species are evolving, and maybe some of these talents of the soul are slowly waking up, and some of those are allowing us to see these shadow images.
And who knows, after a period of time, over the next few years, 100 years, maybe we will be able to actually see ghosts or deceased persons walking around.
We will be at that level of awareness.
I don't know.
I believe that.
unidentified
I agree.
I agree.
I see those things.
I see people who have passed all the time or are passing or about to pass.
Well, it seems to me that if you're cold and you're always trying to survive, that there begins to be a point where you want to become warm again, and by doing so, you're going I think I do, but I'm not sure.
Okay, it seems to me that the evolution of the human is not really physical, or that's not what propelled it.
It seems like the evolution of the human spirit was trying to feel comfortable with the different environments.
And it's almost like the new realm of the spirit, it was almost like trying to step outside, and then it got a little bit further, and then it got a little bit further.
And maybe now today, because of our advancement, we're able to go, oh, I don't know, China, and maybe start maybe receiving things that they're needing and things that we're doing over here that we need to be aware of before we can fully be able to partake in whatever.
Yeah, first of all, I thought you were talking about the cavemen and high temperatures and maybe them projecting out of body because of being cold or something.
But what I thought you were leading to was indigenous primitive peoples, not necessarily cavemen, and why they would have a need to project out of the body.
Because I mean, Americans, out of all the people in the world, Americans are really good, are really good at being able to reach out in different new ways that we can't quite understand and that we're just learning about.
Well, regarding the Americans, the Western world practicing these things and evolving into the area of being able to project themselves and have these experiences, I personally feel that the Western world's in the infant stages of development spiritually and the Eastern world into something there.
So maybe there was logic to what he was saying after all.
I'm not, you know, maybe from the caveman to the modern American to the spiritual joiner who would then meet up with other spiritual beings in the world, like the Chinese.
I had a hair-raising experience several months ago.
I was asleep, and I wasn't really in a deep sleep.
And ever since I was younger, I've been able to have OVEs.
And almost to the extent when I was awake as well, I could look at a building, top of a building, and instantly be looking down from it and see how high it looked from the top.
Anyways, one night when I was not fully asleep, I was having an OVE.
And I was going at an accelerated amount of speed all the way up through the stars, and I could see stars whipping past me.
And then all of a sudden, I stopped, and then I kept going.
Then I stopped, and I saw my father's face.
He passed on.
And he was smiling and stuff.
And then all of a sudden, he had his face expression turning to an angry expression.
He yelled no.
Then his face turned to a green skull and then exploded.
And I woke up, my wife said, I woke up.
I was thrashing about, back and forth, you know, beating her up, trying to, I guess I was trying to come back.
Anyway, it startled me to the point where, I'm sorry, what was that?
Why did he change from a presence, a faith, to an angry, to a skull, to the explosion?
You're curious about why that happened?
Yes, okay.
And, well, I can't say specifically without asking you a lot more questions, but I can say this.
Sometimes when we co-like I would have out-of-by experiences and in the beginning of it, it would be very clear and I could see what's going on, but then for whatever reason, something, away with thoughts or thoughts or fears or anything, or even past experiences would come to memory or come to the forefront of an individual that I was having an encounter with, and those past experiences would actually project onto that individual something different than they were projecting to me.
And it was me contaminating the experience, and it goes into like from a conscious out-of-body state to like a lucid or even semi-lucid dream state.
And in that state, all kinds of dream material could happen, and anything bizarre or wild or surrealistic could transpire.
unidentified
So that may have been what happened to you.
I had a little bit of fear.
I have one quick question, and I'm going to let you go.
Ever since I was younger, I told my mother that I was able to have these out-of-body experiences.
She told me not to because when you're out of the body, a spirit or one that was taken early and didn't feel like it was their turn to go could inhabit your body.
In my book, I talk about when I went to go see the doctor and I was at the foot of her bed.
And I was talking.
Now I found out there's a part of her consciousness that never sleeps.
So I was able to actually have a brief conversation with this other aspect of her.
After I came back to the physical body, I wrote all this down.
This happened on a Saturday.
I approached her on Monday at a class she was teaching at the local college.
And she said, I said, you know, something risked to me over the weekend.
And I said, I thought I came to visit you.
And she said, you know what?
On Saturday, I had a dream that you were standing at the end of my bed.
See, and she didn't remember much more than that.
I remembered a lot more than that.
So that may be the state that, kind of how you can influence their dream state, which she really was in a contaminated awareness state rather than a pure, full-blown, mythical, fantasy dream state.
So yes, you can interact with them to a certain degree.
The second great thing is if somebody that suffers from illness for a long time or has a terrible accident, they still have to, you know, in the state study, they still have to be in those kind of forms or they have much, you know, nicer, new kind of speech study.
In other words, if somebody's had an accident or they've been in some way really hurt and they're confined, when they're astrally traveling, are they free?
You may take the trauma for a little while to the other side with you, but it hates.
And you start becoming an image of the best you've ever been in this life.
People have reported seeing loved ones in dreams and things like that after they pass, and they always report that they've looked like they were 10 or 20 years younger and in the best health of their life.
So no, you don't take the physical abnormalities and things like that that we have over here, over there.
Now, I have a lot of people, I've known this guy who's had a near-death experience, who's been blind all of his life, and in the near-death experience, he could see.
So it doesn't matter very much what is going on in the physical when it comes to being in that state.
It's a whole other reality.
And as a matter of fact, it may be a real, more of a closer reality to what we in the physical state are.
One thing that I wanted to mention is that I've had experiences when I'm outspoken traveling where I actually meet somebody that I know in my daily life.
I mean, somebody that is alive, they're not dead.
And they actually will, sometimes mention to me first, or I'll mention to them, you know, a specific place that we remember being in.
And often it seems like we've actually traveled rather than having it there in some kind of like a mental experience or dream experience.
And so that's kind of like when I first started realizing that there was some sort of somewhat physical reality to what was happening rather than it being like all in my mind.
So you have the experience and then after you come back, you see the personal and the physical and they can remember the experience also.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
That happens.
That can happen.
And I also will have experiences where I will see something, like I'll go to a different place, I'll see an object in a room that I didn't know was there.
And Dr. Albert Taylor and our caller, you are back on the air, ma'am.
unidentified
Wonderful.
like I was saying, you know, I've seen objects in rooms that I've afterward traveled into that I couldn't have possibly known were there.
And other incidents happened where it was really clear to me that it wasn't just something in my mind, like a dream that seemed real.
It was actually like I was physically leaving my body somehow.
And I've done this with people before, and so that also kind of proved it to me.
One thing that kind of concerned me, though, was that something that you said about the astral sex thing a little while ago, about the fact that novices tend to have experiences like that and so forth.
And while, I mean, I wouldn't say that I've been doing this my whole life.
Ma'am, were you hoping to have one of those experiences or hoping to avoid that?
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
Actually, I've been doing the astral travel thing for maybe 14 years, and I've never had anything like that happen.
But what happened is that I fell in love with somebody, and it accidentally happened.
And the thing that's odd here is that it was not some kind of like a perverted tinky thing, but it was an extremely spiritual thing.
And the after effect of that, which was interesting, is the fact that I did not tell this person that I'd had that experience, but he knew.
And so since this time, I mean, actually, we've gotten a lot closer, needless to say, but the thing that I'm finding interesting is that I'm seeing that there are a lot of parallels with the actual stuff and the daily stuff, even the things that you maybe don't tell people or that you may want to acknowledge.
And so I just kind of wanted to mention that and find out if the doctor thinks that that's kind of like a normal experience, like if he's heard of that happening with other people in relationships or in new relationships, or if that's kind of like an off-the-wall thing, or what he thinks of that.
Well, the bonding, the desire to bond with another person's energy and something like that, I think that is a very natural thing.
What I was saying is that the basic astral sex thing where it is a stranger or a pile of people like Robert Monroe's book is a novice thing, but there's always going to be that drive to bond with another person.
Now the thing that I'm really saying here is that in the physical, it's for procreation.
Now in the non-physical, what is going on there?
I think it's very deeply spiritual, and I think it's just a prelude to wanting to bond with something even greater than just another person who is a soul.
I think there's a thirst going on there that moves us through these different stages.
Right.
But there's nothing negative about it.
I have no condemnations about sex, astral sex, physical sex, or any of that.
And you're out there roaming around on the astral grass, and here comes a horse charging at you with a big guy with glowing red eyes and a sickle, and he's going to lob your head off.
Now, to me, that definitely goes in the negative pile.
Where this stupid time change has cost us an hour.
unidentified
I know.
And you know what?
Let me tell you, first of all, I'd like to compliment you, Art.
Your juxtaposition of these two shows back-to-back last night and tonight's, having this scientist, the empiricist scientist, and tonight, the spiritual scientists.
And also, you're a gentleman, a scholar, the way you handle both these opposing, diametrically opposed views, and you've given both these men the respect they're due because they're both obviously highly intelligent individuals.
Before I get to Albert's question, however, Albert, and it's a pleasure to speak with you.
Thank you.
I've got something to report to you, Art, that's of great concern.
And I'm wondering if how many others in the United States, if people should maybe report these kinds of, if they're having these things and they relegate it to some kind of, oh, it was a mistake, but when, in fact, it's some deliberate attempt to try to prevent information from being freely delivered.
I've had some out-of-body experiences, and I had the usual terrifying one, the feeling of the hands gripping, trying to drag you out of your body kind of thing.
And I've tried for a long time to overcome that because, well, it has to do with a religious background.
Now, I think last night's guest was hitting on some topics.
He was saying, we don't have any evidence, the realm of spirit, okay?
I think science for the longest time has gotten this stick in their rear about anything spiritual because they connect it with religion, which has obviously been filling us with all kinds of hell and brimstone and everything else to create fear within us.
And I think that science is reacting from the persecution they've gotten and a bad rap and all this kind of stuff.
Now, they ought to get over it because there's way too much evidence for spiritual reality and ESP and paranormal experiences.
What I'm thinking is this.
The human being evolved.
Let's just say we evolved.
We weren't created.
That's always been a sticking point for science.
They say we evolved.
Okay, well fine.
We evolved.
That's great.
However, as a survival tactic, this organism finally figured a way to create an envelope, what I would call the astral body, so that there could be a surviviousness beyond the physical death because as we evolve, the mind began to realize that there's a limit and then there's an end.
So a strategy was developed to create an envelope for the mind to transcend from the physical into this parallel reality.
And I think that in those terms, that this envelope is the astral body.
And what I'm wondering, you know, I mean, obviously that's what you use to travel, astral travel, astral project.
Just how dense, what sort of matter would you say this astral body is created out of?
And what kind of ability to, I mean, is it something we're going to eventually shed and become pure thought?
One thing I can say is that I have traveled without the astral body.
So it is not something that you are permanently in.
The astral body is for circumventing or touring the astral plane only.
It's not capable of going above that.
There are many levels above that.
So I think the etheric body, which is the light body, is the more permanent one.
The astral body is like a doppelganger of the physical.
So it does ease transition into that state.
Because if you went from a physical to an etheric state of consciousness, which you don't have arms and legs and all that, it would be extremely disorienting.
So I do think that there is a part of us that does create the astral form to make it a lot easier for us to make that transition.
And I wrote in my book where, and Robert Monroe also wrote about it also, the first level is traveling in the astral body.
And then I found myself able to leave the astral body behind and exist as this pinpoint of consciousness, which was, I call, the etheric or light body.
And when I was in that body, that's when I was capable of going far beyond the astral plane.
And I actually saw things like the light and had more like angelic-like encounters.
So definitely, we definitely can travel beyond the astral plane.
Well, I do think of Traylor as more of an optimist than I would be.
unidentified
Well, I'm not saying that you cannot have enlightenment.
I mean, there's several you cannot daydream.
I mean, you know, I was talking about driving, and anybody knows about, you know, mesmerized by a prop, traveling in a light plane and staring through it, I mean, having that light gated, you know, But because of this thing with Courtney, Dr. Courtney Brown, I might add, we have to be very careful because in talking about mature Eastern religions, I mean, that's looking to the matrix replacing Christ.
And I think we have to be very careful about this sort of thing.
And if Father Martin were here, I'm sure he would caution us likewise, that when we ask to be exposed necessarily to spiritual beings, we might be courting those that are not good.
If I had, because I wasn't looking for spirituality, I wasn't looking for self-awareness or God or any of those things, I was trying to find out what was wrong with me.
And in my book, it is just simply a journal, be it positive or negative.
I was just documenting the experiences.
And if I had run into anything negative or demons or anything like that, definitely be in those pages.
But because it's not and here all this time later, I still have nothing to report on that, then there's nothing for me to really address unless something happens.
If something happens tomorrow, I will definitely report on it and let you know.
I shared with you a couple shows back, maybe even four or five shows back, we've done so many now, that I saw some things in the future regarding the disintegration of my private life, my family life, and a bunch of other things.
And it really devastated me and has, and I did my best to try to stop these things from manifesting.
I mean, I really did, and they still did.
And it was very devastating.
It was dramatic for me back in 1996.
And that's why I only give a couple warnings on this.
One of them is that you can dabble with time travel if you want, but be advised that if you do travel into the future, you may not see what's happening around the world like Daniel Brinkley did with Chernobyl.
You may see what's happening, a meltdown in your own particular path.
And you can add, because a lot of things must happen.
I mean, we have free will.
We can change some things.
But some things must transpire, and you may have to live with it and just deal with it until it's over.
Well, that was kind of where I was, one of the questions I had.
Then another thing was I had an experience one time, kind of the waking dream quote, so to speak, where I was aware of a little girl that came to my bedside.
In other words, I didn't leave my body, but I was aware of a visit to my body from someone else that was, it was just different.
I mean, the next morning, I couldn't shake it kind of thing.
And later, my mother had a visit from a little girl where she claims to have been totally awake, turned over just in time to kind of see her dematerialize.
And when she called, she's not the kind of person that has little crazy stuff happen either.
I mean, this was kind of real weird.
And told me about what had happened, kind of in a serious tone.
And I said, oh, my God, my little girl's come to visit you.
And it was just really kind of freaky.
Well, later, a little girl came into my life.
In fact, I cut her umbilical cord.
That I've often wondered, was that her pretty voter she now?
I shared with you some time ago, Art, that we pick our parents, and sometimes we, during that process, we do come to our prospective parents, and they do have visions of us.
And in some cases, I've had letters where people have written and said that the little boy that visited them years before, actually, they later had a boy, and he grew up to look exactly like the child that they saw in the vision.
If I did have an encounter with someone who had a body that was failing or suffering from Alzheimer's or something like that, the physical abnormalities wouldn't transcend to their astral body, so they wouldn't suffer from Alzheimer's or be handicapped in that sense.
So I may have and may not have, but you wouldn't be able to tell by the astral form.
unidentified
I thought maybe they were working some sort of thing out up there or something.
Because it's just very confusing to us here below.
Well, the one thing you can always do, if the situation turns out to be more than you can handle, you can always pull the ejection seat and go right back to the body.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes, Dr. Taylor, I purchased your book about a year ago, Soul Traveler, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
And I am a second initiate in Ekunkar.
So I enjoyed your references to going to the Los Angeles seminar some time ago and making the reference that the people in Ekunkar did not say they had a soul, but said they were soul.
I find difficulty as to why that's so hard to understand.
It's just a simple measure of believing that you're a soul that inhabits a body instead of a body that has a soul, like to go into the store and get a piece of lawn furniture or something.
It's the viewpoint.
But what I wanted to mention, excuse me, was in reference to people who are worried about demons, you mentioned earlier about thought forms, whenever you transcend to a higher state of consciousness.
For instance, going from the physical to the astral to the mental, the causal, the etheric, each one just a more refined state of vibrations.
So thus, the thought forms manifest more easily.
So I use the analogy.
When you're a kid and you see you're worried about the boogeyman in your dreams, then when you wake up, when you grow older and you're an adult, you find out that the evil that exists is in the minds of men.
Use the pronoun consolidation.
In other words, the analogy is that the evil comes from the thought forms that the demon self-made.
I totally agree with you.
I find it difficult to believe that if we are transcending to a higher state of consciousness, that we have to worry about demons and evil if we're not thinking about to begin with.
I think you only experience what you take into it.
And now that I don't take those things into the experience, I don't have any demons in my life.
unidentified
Yeah, and one of the things you would have to earn, how I learned soul travel, because you made reference to that in your book.
And there was one Earl Wilson's book as to when he did go out of his body, and he ended up in some room of what he thought was the astral plane, and he was talking with some individuals who asked him if he was alive or dead.
He thought that was kind of strange, and he told him alive, and they commended him for his ability to have a physical body on the physical plane, but B, where people who had deceased had already gone.
Well, I haven't been able to, I mean, I don't know what you possibly could do.
The closest evil or anything you could do to anybody would be what Robert Monroe did by pinching someone.
Other than that, I haven't been able to affect non-physical ma, I mean non-organic matter, let alone influence somebody else at that point.
unidentified
Right.
What I'm getting at is that having listened to Art Bell's show before, there are evil spirits out there, according to his show.
And if you're out there on the same playing field as them, don't you think you're kind of leaving yourself without protection at kind of a vulnerable position to sort of play astro chess with someone who may not be out there?
I mean, aren't you leaving yourself in a kind of a dangerous position?
And you talked about somebody punching you in the face, an image that you created, but what do you know about the possibilities of dangerous activities going on with a spiritual body that's not so kind?
I mean, if there was, I would report it, but I don't.
And I still, I travel at least once a week.
I've been doing it since I was five, for 40 years.
And I don't have these experiences.
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They exist.
I always said earlier Art even said something to the effect of it sounds like only like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and missionaries are able to do this kind of travel.
Maybe it's because you look at yourself as a more spiritual, Less evil person and someone who's less experienced who reads your book and decides they're going to try some of these things, perhaps they're not as pure as you believe you are, and they could be in a lot of trouble with someone out there that's not so friendly.
Okay, one misnomer is that, first of all, that only a few people can do this.
First of all, that's wrong, I mean, it's incorrect because 100% of us can do this, but only about 25 to 30 percent of us remember it.
So each one of us are doing it almost every night on a nightly basis or having out-of-body experiences, but a lot of us are in the dream state and don't remember ourselves.
Well, according to Greek mythology, that's the realm of the Lord hating, so I don't know.
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I lost contact with her, so I'm kind of wondering if that's who my cats see when I'm sitting there having a few eyeballs at night, and I look up and she's looking at something.