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April 5, 2001 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Albert Taylor - The Shadow People, OBEs

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening and or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours and beyond, to the rocks, the island of Guam in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast Coast AM.
		Cheerio, everybody, and I would like to welcome KSRV in Ontario, Oregon, 1380 on the dial in Ontario, Oregon.
		Welcome to the network.
		And good luck.
		I always wonder, I really do, too.
		You know, some program director and manager who are sitting there at some new radio station that has just come on that very night, and you never know what we're going to be doing, right?
		And they've signed up for it because they know it's a very popular show, and the ratings are good, and, you know, for whatever reasons they do it, they've got an opening at night.
		Sure, we'll give it a try.
		And then they're sitting there, and by about an hour later, they've got their heads in their hands going, oh, what have I done?
		So, listen for a while.
		It takes a while to grow on you.
		All right, so what's going on in the world?
		I see the prime minister in Japan is going to resign.
		One of Japan's most unpopular in decades.
		Told his cabinet Friday that that's it.
		He will resign.
		Didn't set a date, though.
		Seems like Japanese prime ministers come and go a lot lately.
		Have you noticed that?
		How many have we had in the last few years somebody to account for me?
		It's a lot.
		I know that.
		Listen, tonight I'm going to let you talk about the shadow people.
		Now, the reason is because in the next hour I've got a guest who may have something to bear on the shadow people.
		Albert Taylor has written now a couple of books on out-of-body experiences, OBEs.
		And there is every reason to believe that OBEs would be a prime candidate for the shadow people.
		I just don't know what to do with this topic anymore.
		I want an expert on the shadow people, and I don't know where you get an expert on the shadow people.
		I have in excess now of 4,000 emails from people who have seen shadow people.
		4,000 emails sitting in there.
		I'm not sure what to do with them.
		I've got them in a special shadow person section on my computer.
		And I'm sort of holding them.
		And every time I look at them, I go, God, we've stumbled into something really big, really big, and I don't know what to do with it.
		So you want to talk about shadow people tonight?
		Fine.
		Come on ahead.
		Let's rock.
		I've got to get to the bottom of this somehow.
		That's much too much communication.
		And lately, no matter what the subject, if I open the phone, people want to talk about the shadow people.
		So obviously, we're on to something really big.
		It's just a matter of what.
		On this program, a lot of times that's the chief question.
		What?
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		Kill my radio there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you.
unidentified		I've talked to you a few times now.
		It's always an honor and a pleasure.
		About the shadow people.
		Yes.
		And how I know this, I talked to you about, well, three or four, maybe a week ago, and I explained to you that I've been abducted since I was seven many, many times.
		One of the things that happens when you get abducted is they kind of erase your short-term memory so that even though you're not exactly, they always do it at night.
		Take me away and download my memory and then that process sort of muddles my short-term memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If not, nearly erasing it completely.
unidentified		No, well, it does, but it doesn't.
		See, it leaves your long-term memory intact.
		So years and years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much do you know about them?
unidentified		About what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Them.
unidentified		A lot, because I'm exposed to it all, and I still get my long-term memory, but I don't remember these things until years later, because the short-term memory is gone.
unidentified		But as for the shadow people, and they tell me all sorts of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, abduction, what does that have to do with shadow people?
unidentified		Well, Tuesday, when I went up, and sometimes they allow me to remember things.
		Not very often, but when there's some reason, and I don't know what it is, they're far beyond anything we can think of.
		It's really amazing.
		Shadow people are manifestations of our not so much insecurities, but our concerns or things we should be concerned about.
		So every time you or anybody else sees a shadow person, there's something in that situation, in that environment, that you need to be concerned about.
		Now, they're real, but what it is, is your senses allow you to manifest something to get your attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some people think that it's death coming to see you.
unidentified		Well, they are spirits, but you just can't manifest them when there's no reason.
		That's why there's seances and things like that, because there has to be a reason.
		There has to be an energy, a connection, a power structure in order for them to manifest themselves to you.
		They just can't do it on their own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I think I've got you.
		Well, I have to hold it right there.
		I don't know about that.
		A lot of people have said that they are of the negative side and that they are, You know, maybe the spirits that come and get you when it's your time.
		So somehow I can picture this shadow person standing at the door, just going with his finger, Come here, little boy.
		It's your time.
		Oh, but I don't want to go.
unidentified		Come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This way.
		Or maybe not.
		Maybe they're simply people out there having OBEs and a good time.
		And every now and then, when they're seen straight on, they get startled and they go in the other direction.
		I don't know.
		They might even be ghosts.
		Or they might be them.
		My last callers, them.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		We'll be right back.
		Now, here's somebody with what I think is a pretty good idea.
		Remember the DNA that was submitted to scientists in Britain to test?
		They thought it might have been a Yeti?
		But the scientists tested the DNA and they say it's not human.
		It's not any mammal they know of or can identify.
		It's good DNA.
		They simply don't know what it belongs to.
		Somebody wrote me an email and suggested that they clone whatever it is and find out what it is.
		Wouldn't that be interesting if you could take DNA of a completely unknown creature and simply clone it, grow it in the womb of a cow or whatever?
		You imagine the tension while you're waiting for whatever it is?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, I'm going to turn my radio off.
unidentified		Just a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		I'm so surprised I got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn that radio down.
unidentified		Yes, it's off now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		About the shadow people?
		Yes.
		There could be more than one type or species of what you call shadow people.
		Some of them could be people who have passed on, as you say, and some of them could be people that are traveling out of their bodies.
		But also, I think maybe some of them might be what the people know as the fairies and elves, and their real names are the powers of nature and forces of the elements.
		I attended a group many years ago, and the lady who held it was psychic, and she could see the beings of the elements, and her front door happened to be open, and she said, oh, there's a little fairy, and she picked it up.
		We couldn't see it.
		She picked it up, and she passed it around the room, and we each had it on our lap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She picked it up.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I mean, she had seen it before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, little fairy, let me cup you in my hand and pass the fairy around.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then each one of you held out your hand and held the fairy?
unidentified		Yeah, we thought we did.
unidentified		But the other thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, to be honest, you didn't see the fairy.
unidentified		To be honest, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you held out your hand anyway.
unidentified		Yes, because I wanted to hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't feel any little fairy feet.
unidentified		But can I tell you another thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I want to get this straight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You felt no little fairy feet on your palm.
unidentified		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okie-dokie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yes.
unidentified		The other thing is, a woman who went to the church I used to go to, it is the IM church.
		You know, it's by the Ascended Masters and caused Big Bing, so I feel the woman was telling me the truth.
		Said what?
		In back of her house, there was an alley, and across the alley, there was a beautiful tree growing.
		It was quite an old tree.
		She said one day she came home, she opened her back door, and the people that owned the tree across the alley had cut it down.
		And she said she saw one of the little, she had her inner sight open so she could see these things.
		And she said that there was a little being of the element sitting there crying, and it said, my whole life's work is ruined.
		So these little beings do exist.
		I used to have a friend who...
		That the tree was cut down, that it worked all life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		I also had a friend who during the Second World War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, we'll have to hold it there.
		The little tree fairy story was good.
		Well, I don't know.
		Would you do that?
		I mean, if somebody came to you and said, why?
		Why, look at this.
		It's a fairy.
		Let me get this little fairy.
		Ah, there's a little fairy.
		Here.
		You hold him.
		I mean, would you hold out your hand?
		Well, you might.
		And you might.
		I'm not sure I would.
		But anyway, there you'd be with your hand held out, feeling no fairy feet, no fairy weight, seeing no fairy.
		Just having to imagine there's a fairy there and sort of playing along because there's a bunch of other people there and they're all saying, hey, the fairy.
		And you're going, hmm.
		Hey, little guy.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say about 80% of my audience knows who Dr. Albert Taylor is.
		But that's only 80%.
		So we'll make you familiar with Albert Taylor and out-of-body experiences.
		It's real.
		Out-of-body experiences are as real as the rain that hits your face on a rainy day.
		I mean, they're just absolutely real.
		What they mean, what they're really all about, where you go and what you do during them, those are all really interesting questions.
		But we'll cover OBEs from the get-go and give you sort of the short version of what an OBE is.
		Bear in mind and be patient with me because remember, there's a lot of new listeners out there who have no idea what this is all about.
		So for their sake, we're going to go over it a little bit here in the beginning, and then we'll branch out.
		And no doubt, before very long at all, we'll get and we'll.
		Well, in honor of the lady who called last hour, she was really cute.
		She was talking about a fairy.
		I don't know how many of you heard that.
		She said this lady went to her door and said, oh, look, a fairy.
		And she went over and she picked up the fairy, which I guess nobody could see but the lady, and she brought it in her little cupped hand, and she handed it to my caller, who held her hand out and held the little fairy.
		And I said, well, could you feel any little fairy feet?
		No.
		Could you see a little fairy?
		No.
		Did you just sort of go along with it because everybody else thought that it was a fairy?
		Well, yeah.
		And so, in honor of that lady, who I kind of had fun with, for all I know, she was holding a fairy.
		Just couldn't see it and feel it.
		I have taken a special photograph on my webcam, which you can now see.
		I had one photograph up there, but it was irresistible, so you can see me holding my little fairy.
		That's on my website.
		www.artbell.com.
		And then go to program and webcam.
		And this photograph is honor of the fairy lady.
		All right.
		Now to become serious, if that's possible.
		Dr. Albert Taylor came to my rescue and I to his, I suppose, some years ago when people called up and said, Art, it was almost like the shadow people.
		You know, it's so close in a lot of ways to the way we began our relationship, the shadow people story.
		I was getting all these, one person called and said, Art, I was in bed one night and I froze and I couldn't move.
		I was literally paralyzed.
		And then sometimes people would say, well, I'd actually move up out of my body or I'd move down into the mattress out of my body, but out of body.
		But mostly this paralyzed moment.
		And I'd had it myself.
		As I've seen these little, whatever in God's name they are that you see in peripheral vision, I had had this frozen feeling myself in that twilight of sleep or whatever it is.
		And we couldn't figure out what it could be.
		And I started getting, as I am now, then I got hundreds of emails.
		Now I get thousands on a subject like this.
		And I had hundreds of people saying exactly the same thing.
		And we hadn't talked about OBEs.
		OBEs had not been talked about on this program.
		I didn't even know what an OBE was at that point.
		And to the rescue came Dr. Albert Taylor, who's written a book on the subject, on OBEs.
		And we've interviewed him many times before.
		Here he is, Dr. Albert Taylor.
		Hi, Dr. Albert.
unidentified		Thank you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		That was a great introduction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a true one.
unidentified		Great to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how it happened, right?
unidentified		That's exactly how it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a miracle.
		Well, maybe a miracle, yes.
		You never know.
		And you had written a book called What?
unidentified		Soul Traveler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soul Traveler, which everybody can still get, I take it, on Amazon.com and so on.
unidentified		Still available and still moving like the wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soul Traveler outlines actually in the beginning of it.
		I wish I had an expert as well-defined to answer the questions.
		Maybe you're the guy on Shadow People as on OBEs, but your book actually began with this experience, didn't it?
		This paralyzed whatever it is that you're doing.
unidentified		Sleep paralysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sleep paralysis, yes.
		It's actually extremely, extremely frightening if it's not happened to you before.
		Definitely.
		You sort of half asleep, but then you're paralyzed.
		You literally cannot will yourself to move a little finger.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're just frozen, and that's scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of people would think maybe I'm having a heart attack or a stroke.
unidentified		I'm dying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm dying.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Something like that.
		And a lot of people have had it.
		It's the beginning.
		It is like a precursor to an OBE, isn't it?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		Well, that's the wonderful thing about it, that it still makes it still very difficult to wade through that paralysis state to achieve an OBE.
		It's still difficult even to this day for me.
		But what a reward it is.
		It's a fantastic experience.
		And you had one, so you can testify to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I wasn't a volunteer.
		That's right.
		I was not a volunteer.
unidentified		I'll tell you, up until 35 years old, neither was I, Car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when I first had the paralyzing moments, it scared the you know what out of me.
		It really, it honestly did.
		I really thought something was physically, you know, profoundly wrong, and I might be dying or something having a stroke is what I thought, actually.
		And it wasn't that at all.
		And I pulled myself out of it.
		I willed myself out of it.
		I wouldn't let myself go one inch further.
		And I tried to will myself back to normal.
		And I think that would be an average reaction.
		You try to will yourself back to normal.
		Because I didn't know what was happening.
unidentified		Right, right.
		And fear set in, and fear of the unknown.
		And the safest place to be is back in our physical body in the waking state and not in this bizarre flying mode or whatever you want to call it.
		So that's a natural response if you don't know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, even when I had mine, it still scared the you-know-what out of me, although...
		You know, I'm sorry, Albert, but you know what?
		I had done an interview with you, and when it happened to me, it didn't help me a bit.
		No, it didn't help me a bit.
		I'm serious.
		I mean, when it happened in Paris, and I'll tell briefly, here it is again.
		My wife and I were on vacation in Paris.
		I was out of my normal routine when I eat, when I sleep, time zones, blah, blah, blah, on vacation in Paris.
		And I, all of a sudden, lying in bed, boom, I was above the city of Paris.
		I could actually look down on the city of Paris.
		In fact, I did in my peripheral vision, as it were.
		But that was not the center of what was happening to me.
		What was happening to me was an ecstasy that is indescribable.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really, really it is.
unidentified		And extremely memorable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And oh, indelibly imprinted on my memory.
		And then, boom, like that.
		I was back in my body, waking up my wife, annoying her, telling her what had just happened to me.
		I was so, you know, I had adrenaline going like crazy, but I was so surprised and shocked by it that I instantly went back to my body.
		There is no question I was out of my body, but I didn't know what was coming on.
		I didn't wish for it.
		I didn't try for it.
		I didn't know how to control it.
		In fact, none of that went through my mind.
		I just freaked out and I was back in my body that fast.
		And that's been the extent of my travels.
unidentified		Well, you remember the way my book begins is all it is is a diary of me having these experiences which went from the age five, age five, I would have them once a week, and then suddenly, for whatever reason, at age 35, they increased from once a week to several times a week, and then several times a night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they were happening to you, but if they were happening to you once a week, Albert, you would have to learn to deal with them.
		The frequency of them alone would cause you eventually, I suppose, to be less afraid of them.
		Right?
unidentified		No, you weren't in the room when I was five years old, and I went into my grandmother's room, and I wanted to know what it was.
unidentified		And she told me that it was the witches coming to steal my soul because I was bad the day before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did she really tell you that?
unidentified		Yeah, she really said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, grandmother.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So with that kind of thing hanging over your head, you're going to be fighting it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to want to see what's beyond the paralysis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
		Oh, man.
		Coming to steal your soul.
		And so you thought that for how long?
unidentified		A lot of years.
		And in my family, see, even to this day, several members of my family have this experience a lot, just like me, except they haven't gone beyond the paralysis.
		So even to this day, when I would try to talk to them about it and mention it, either I would get some kind of fearful condemnation like I was bad, or they just didn't want to talk about it at all because they were terrified of it.
		So I never heard of out-of-body experiences or any of that thing.
		All I knew was about this witch ride thing, and I knew that not only was I having the paralysis, but at age five, something was moving around my room and something was calling my name.
		But I had no one to talk to it about.
		And then later, wait a minute, calling your name, huh?
		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That terrified me so much when I was five years old.
unidentified		I can remember it to this day, 40 years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be terrifying because, and I hate to bring it up already, this shadow people thing.
		But even last hour, we were kind of talking about that a little bit.
		And one possibility of the shadow people is, you know, Mr. Death coming to get you, right?
		And if something in a dark, shrouded, hooded, black, indecipherable figure comes and sort of raises a hand to you, beckoning, a bony, pointed, pointed finger.
		That's right.
unidentified		Bony, Albert, Albert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you remember what grandma said.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'd fly away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely out of here.
		Yes.
		So that had to be part of what you were thinking about, in a way.
unidentified		Definitely, definitely.
		I didn't know.
		I mean, I can tell you this.
		First thing I did jump to, the conclusion I first jumped to was that it was negative.
		It was not a positive thing.
		It was something that was a bad thing.
		And then growing up in Catholicism, a lot of people would say if it's not of God, it's of the devil.
		So I had all of these things in my head to try to decipher and figure out what was happening.
		And none of them were positive.
		So of course it frightened me terribly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have hence and since learned not only to deal with the fear that comes with that moment of being paralyzed, but going beyond it, which is a real key, and then actually leaving your body, right?
		And when you leave your body, you can literally go anywhere.
		You could go to the living room, the bathroom.
unidentified		Anywhere you can focus your thoughts on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The bathroom could be convenient sometimes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or to the moon.
unidentified		Anywhere you can focus your thoughts on.
unidentified		Or beyond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can prove that it's real, not baloney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what you see when you leave your body can be later confirmed, correct?
unidentified		And yeah, definitely.
		And like, that's one of the things, see, I thought it was, as I got past the witch ride superstition, I started thinking, well, this is just a lucid dream.
		And that was okay because I was having fun, I was flying, and if it's just, I knew I was having the experience, and if it was a lucid dream, then so be it.
		But when someone, a doctor who had had a near-death experience, I attended her class, and she is the first one that ever even asked me the question of if I was having night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
		And she was the very first person that suggested that it was more than just a lucid dream.
		So I didn't believe her.
		I was very skeptical about it.
		So the first thing I did is I told her, well, it's happening to me almost every night.
		And if it's really happening, then I'm going to try and come see you.
		I said that kind of skeptically.
		And I really didn't think it would work.
		I had no confidence in it, but I knew it was happening a lot.
		And because I'm a scientist, I figured, you know, process of elimination, that will at least be something that didn't work.
		But I was surprised that I did have, after leaving the physical body, after having the paralysis, after making my request, I felt some strange presence around me.
		And next thing I knew, I was in the same flying mode that I had been in for years and years and years.
		There was no difference, except that I couldn't control the direction, because I guess I had already made my request, but I could control the altitude and the speed in which I would fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would so love to do that, Albert.
		I really want to fly.
		I really want to fly.
		And if that's the only way I can fly, I'll take it.
unidentified		Desire is 90% of it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It seems like you have one after I talk to you, so you never know what might happen tonight.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If you get relaxed enough and your life is going really well for you, that can open the door right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here's another thing that people don't understand just before we proceed.
		Your background is in the hard sciences.
		What was your background before you did this?
unidentified		Well, basically, I say from the beginning, I've always, as a kid, I've been fascinated by aircraft, things that flew.
		So I joined the Air Force at age 17.
		I became a crew chief of the Laki D2 at 18 years old.
		I supported the U-2 in flying several reconnaissance missions over the Soviet Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A U-2 spy plane, right?
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, do you have any comment on what's going on in China right now?
unidentified		Yeah, I have a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of like this young lady who sent me the email that said, we're really, really sorry that your plane hit ours.
unidentified		You know, I don't really think since we're in international airspace, I don't think we have anything to be apologetic for.
		The faster-moving aircraft is the one who's really responsible in any case because he can get out of the way a lot faster.
		And he probably was harassing the turboprop-driven Navy ship, and something happened, and they clipped each other, and I think he knocked out two of the engines.
		They landed on only two props.
		And unfortunately, having a small fighter, it can be gouged and damaged very easily and probably caught fire and crashed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, somebody in the administration today said that that Chinese, they knew that Chinese pilot somehow, I guess Intel did, and he's a hot dog, they say.
unidentified		Yeah, see, you know, that happens here.
		That could have very well happened.
		And unfortunately, now this is the whole thing.
		Do you remember when the Russian pilot flew that MiG to, I think it was to Japan one time about 10 years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly do.
unidentified		And the Soviets wanted it back.
		And we did send it back to them after we took the thing apart and blueprinted everything.
		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's, of course, what they're doing with ours right now.
unidentified		That may very well be.
unidentified		And to tell you the truth, wouldn't you, even if you have an agreement, it's a once-in-a-lifetime chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I said the first time.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be in there with more Fujifilm than they could stalk any other.
unidentified		That's probably what's happening.
unidentified		But before the crew landed, they did destroy a lot of data and I'm pretty sure they destroyed some of the valuable stuff, but it's just possibly the setup and then there's a few other things and maybe some boards and things like that that they probably can recover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we're drifting.
unidentified		So you worked with the U-2.
unidentified		Worked in the 9th OMS, which was the Lockheed U-2 and the SR-71, joined together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then what?
unidentified		And then I left there because of my experience on Skunk Works aircraft, which both of those are.
		I joined the Skunk Works in Burbank, California on the design team of the Stealth Fighter, which it wasn't known.
		It was called Senior Year, no, Senior Spear back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What became the F-117A?
unidentified		Which became the F-117A.
		That was back in the late 70s.
		And then from there, I wanted to work on a larger aircraft.
		And I think President Reagan had just gotten back in office, and he restarted, rekindled the B-1 bomber program, which was killed by, I think, Jimmy Carter.
		So I started working on the B-1 on design of the flight control systems and the rotary launcher, which launched cruise missiles, things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were really heavy-duty hardware, right?
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		So how you got from there to here is what we'll look at next.
		Hold on, stay right there.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		A very old friend came by today.
		Cause he was telling everyone in town all that he said about at Marie's May of his latest flame.
		He called him talking, and I heard him say that she had the longest, white hair, the prettiest green eyes anywhere.
		And Marie's remain of his latest flame.
		When you see on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've always wanted to fly.
		This kind of flying.
		Suspended, floating, moving, flying.
		I, uh, of course, I tried it in Alaska with a hang glider because I thought that'd be closest thing to it.
		I broke my arm, compound fracture.
		Very disappointing.
		the actual flight time was in the seconds the crashing time was So since then, I've wanted to try it, and someone told me that if I would just get on an ultralight with an engine, it would be all right.
		I've been thinking about that real hard.
		There's a vice president of Intel Corporation who's a good friend of mine, and he wants to take me up, up and away.
		And I've been thinking real hard about it.
		My wife keeps saying no.
		My boss keeps saying no.
		And I keep thinking yes.
		So we'll see.
		Maybe one of these days that's exactly what I'm going to do.
		If not, then there is Dr. Albert Taylor's way.
unidentified		Dr. Albert Taylor's way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it seems like they're going to bring back The Outer Limits.
		22 brand new episodes of The Outer Limits is going to be on the sci-fi channel.
		And they wanted to come on the program.
		So, hmm.
		You bet.
		Ah, The Outer Limits.
		What a great show that was.
		So at some point, we will have the people from Outer Limits on.
		Didn't know that was coming back, did you?
		So anyway, that's how I feel about this.
		Flying.
		God, I would love to fly.
		And that's what it is.
		It is.
		Tell me it is like that, Albert.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd say it's even better than that because you don't have to worry about even breaking an arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point.
		How did you get your doctor?
		What is your doctorate in?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's in I went to Trinity University and my doctorate is in psychology, but my master's is in aeronautical engineering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then you're well equipped, I guess, to speak on both subjects.
		You're right.
		You wouldn't crash.
		That's a way to fly and not.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, I broke my arm eight months ago.
		And I thought I got the young fever or whatever you call it.
		And I bought one of these motorized go pad things.
		And I ended up getting dumped into the street and broke my arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really annoying, isn't it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I waited 45 years to break a bone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm kind of late in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you break it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right at the elbow.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have pins right now in my elbow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I broke mine two inches above the elbow.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bad.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yep, yep.
		But you know, I do a lot of ultralight window shopping, too.
		That's kind of interesting that you mentioned that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you'll notice Albert sounds better now.
		We have switched phones and we now have good audio.
		Much better phone, Albert.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much better phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So telling you a little bit about my background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this really is possible, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This flying business really is possible.
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And tons, I mean, thousands, since we first did the first show back in, I think it was 96.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it really that long?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think, yeah, it was, right after the book came out.
		Since then, God, time is flying hard.
		Since then, literally hundreds of thousands of people have written me and come to the lectures and all kinds of things talking about their experiences.
		I mean, right now I have just tons of letters I haven't been able to get a whole gift to because there's so many people now having these experiences.
unidentified		I've even been getting some on the shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, see, it really is an exact parallel.
		People, I tell you, Albert, when we first started talking about this being paralyzed stuff, I would get letters from people who were in tears.
		They were in tears because they thought it only happened to them.
		They thought they were the only ones, and they were terrified of it, talking about it.
		They didn't talk to people about it.
		They thought something might have been chronically or fatally wrong with them or whatever.
		And they were in tears when they would hear that it was a very common thing.
		This doggone shadow people thing is exactly the same way.
		There are people in tears out there who are writing to me saying, my God, Art, I've been seeing them all my life.
		I'm afraid to talk to anybody about them.
		A lot of people were told by parents or grandparents, just like you were.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		It was something negative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, something negative.
		That's right.
		Kneel down and pray.
		That sort of thing.
		And I've got these thousands of emails stacked up, and I don't know what to do with it or the subject, Albert.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can have some interesting stories that might help you a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's one of the things, and I wanted to ask you about this.
		A lot of people have said they see the shadow people not just in peripheral vision, but straight on.
		And when they see them, at times, the shadow people realize that they're being seen.
		And when they do, they're gone like that.
		Some of us have theorized that one possible answer could be OBEs.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is one-third of the answer.
		Well, matter of fact, that's two-thirds of the answer.
		The OBE category gets divided into living and dead because, I mean, a near-death experience, leaving the physical body, that type of thing is still an OBE.
		The other kind could be yourself in a way, but it has to do with a difference in time shift and reality, and physical plane shift.
		But these are the very rare ones.
		The most common one that probably people will see are the ones that are people who do not live or are deceased or are in between lives.
		And the reason, and I have a real couple of interesting stories that I'd like to share with you that kind of give you a little bit of idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are all of these, Albert, in the same realm?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whether you're somebody who's recently passed?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or somebody existing in another realm or somebody in an OBE, all traveling within the same realm?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but see, you have to take out of this whole equation the physical realm, a place, of a location.
unidentified		Because we're not talking about any of those.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Even though we here with the physical body and the five senses are very aware of our three-dimensional world.
		But in that case, they have no limitations like that.
		And what it is, is really a vibratory level.
		And that's why sometimes when you see them, depending on how turned up your five senses are, the more turned up your five senses are, the less you're going to be able to perceive these things.
		And so when you try to look and you try to focus on what you thought you saw out of the corner of your eye, you no longer can perceive it.
		It's only when you're not thinking about it that you kind of see something move around you.
		Now what happens is in the lowest area of perceiving these things, you perceive it as a dark humanoid type shape, generally, transparent shape.
		It's moving rapidly because it's independent of your time frame.
		So it can move out of your vision very, very rapidly without you even seeing which direction it went.
		At a higher level, it's usually because of an altered state or you're nearing like an out-of-body consciousness, but they can also happen when you're nearing the point of death or about to die.
		People in hospices start seeing the shadows in the early part of their life degrading, and then right before the day they leave, they can see it even clearer and sometimes even see the physical person standing there.
		Now my uncle, he passed away a few years ago, and a couple days before he passed away at Veterans Memorial Hospital, I was talking to him and occasionally he would look over my shoulder as if he were seeing something and I'd look like as if someone walked in the room and there was nothing there and I'd look back at him and he would look at me puzzled like he didn't really want to say what he thought he saw.
		A few days later I got a call saying that he was on his last leg and I only had a few hours to live and yet he was still conscious.
		When I came into the room and I sat there next to the bed talking to him, he looked over and he said to me, and then this really, and this was before I started having these out of experiences and things, he said to me, who is that standing over in the corner of a room smiling at me?
		And I looked over my shoulder, there was no one I could see there.
		But because his life was ebbing away slowly but surely, that meant he was slowly turning down the volume on his five senses and starting to turn up the volume on his extra senses, the ones that we have in the out-of-body state or at a higher level.
		And then the next day after that, he passed away.
		So that tells you that at the very low level, they're very hard to perceive.
		They're glimpses, shadows, wisps of wind, that kind of thing.
		And at the higher level of consciousness or nearing the point of death, leaving the physical body, then we can perceive these a lot more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's some story.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have another story about a similar kind of thing where a friend of mine had a near-death experience who never believed in any of these things at all.
		He never even thought, I told him I was having out-of-body experiences, and he said, yeah, that's kind of crazy, Al, but I love you anyway.
		He really thought I was not.
		And I've known him for years.
		But one day, he woke up.
		He had a respiratory problem.
		He was taken to the hospital in an emergency.
		Right before he got out of the car, he had excruciating pains in his chest.
		They put him on a gurney, and he said when they laid him back on the gurney, he knew he had taken his last breath.
		He clutched his chest.
		All of a sudden, there was a loud pop, and then next thing he knew, he was staring, he was outside of a crowd of people working on this guy on a gurney.
		And he was looking at the doctors, and he thought to himself, why are you working on him?
		You should be working on me.
		And just as he said that, all of a sudden, these beings, like several of them, not just one or two, but maybe eight or nine, surrounded him toward the back.
		And it didn't scare him.
unidentified		He felt as if he knew them.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He couldn't identify them, but he felt definitely that he knew them.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And one of the beings told him, you don't have to stay here if you don't want to.
unidentified		You can go with us.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And he told me, he said he really, for a few seconds, he really thought about going with them because he really felt that he wanted to go somewhere that he had really left or kind of like returning home kind of feeling.
		But then he thought about the people that he would be leaving behind, his kids and things like that.
		And he made his decisions to stay.
		Just about that time, a nurse came running out of the hospital, put this apparatus on the guy on the gurney that they were working on, and next thing he knew, he felt this extreme acceleration, and he felt like as if he was slammed onto the gurney.
		He was staring up at the crowd, the circle of people staring at him and looking at him and saying, you're not going to die, you'll be all right.
unidentified		Well, that in itself was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they put the panels on him?
unidentified		No, they didn't.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		They put some kind of breathing device on him.
		He was having a respiratory problem.
		And so when he called me up, and here I am, a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, and my best friend has a near-death experience, which is quite weird.
		So he calls me up, and I go down to the hospital, and he's in the hospital shaking his head, and I said, well, what's wrong?
unidentified		What's going on?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And he tells me the full story, and he continues to shake his head.
unidentified		I said, well, what happened?
		He said, I didn't know.
		And I said, well, what didn't you know?
		And he kept saying, I didn't know.
		I said, well, didn't you know?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He said, I didn't know that I was that important.
unidentified		I said, well, what do you mean?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He said, when I was standing there, there were people there waiting for me.
unidentified		I didn't know anybody cared.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He said, there were non-physical people there for me.
unidentified		They knew I was there.
unidentified		I didn't know I was that important.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So he couldn't perceive them when he was in the physical, but as soon as he got out of the physical, he could perceive a multitude of people around him who were non-physical beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's another really neat story.
		How are we to...
		To cushion the blow of dying or the pain of dying or the experience of dying.
		And that's all it is, is a bunch of excited endorphins.
		How do you answer that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, as a researcher, I'm not going to just jump to conclusions.
unidentified		Let's say that is possible.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I'm going to look at all the cases of everybody who's ever gone to the brink of death and come back.
		And then what I'm going to do is I'm going to make a list of everything that all of these people have in common.
		And then I'm going to see if there's some similarities.
		Now, if it's just a random thing and it's not related to anything beyond the body or a consciousness that exists beyond the physical, then there should be very few things, categories, that match in all of these people that I test.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would seem to be true.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That's how I would look at it.
unidentified		There would be random health or skelter, all kinds of wild experiences.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Nothing that I could, no linear path of understanding whatsoever.
unidentified		It should just be just a pandemonium.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		All kinds of things.
		But that's not the case.
		No matter what your spiritual beliefs are, no matter what your geographical location is, no matter what your academic level of achievement is, no matter what anything, no matter if your gender is, there's multiple patterns of the same types of things people are talking about all over the world.
		And not 100%, but about 70 to 80%, which to me, I think is quite phenomenal and needs to be definitely paid attention to because that's a pattern that implies some type of proof or at least is a beginning of indication of proof.
unidentified		So that's what I would look at.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So they say that endorses are flooding the brain, but then I can't explain why all these people are talking about the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely fair.
		Yes.
		That's the scientific method.
		That's how you do it, all right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That would make me feel better about my own results.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And then still I would have some doubt, but they would tend to sway me in more of the pattern of thinking of that there is something going on rather than there isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fine.
		I can accept that.
		And there's really no way, is there, to get proof beyond that point, the gathering of similar cases.
		And if it was just endorphins, you would think you'd get an absolutely random spectacular descriptions of experiences, but you wouldn't get this repetitive experience.
		That's certainly true.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And looking at it psychologically, you would think that if this was an individual experience, then the experience that they would be able to relate would be based on their individual lives.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So it would be from their perception or their perspective only, not in a general sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, how different is the actual dying experience, do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From an OBE experience?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, if we're talking about a non-traumatic death, meaning you haven't been thrown through the windshield or something like that, I would say it's quite pleasant, quite peaceful, and that leads me to my third story I'd like to share with you.
unidentified		Okay.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember Sam Kiniston?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Comedian?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the screamer.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He was on his way to Vegas, I believe, in his vet with his girlfriend or something.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And his brother, I believe, was following him behind in the car.
unidentified		Sam had an accident.
unidentified		He didn't die right away.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He didn't even know he was critically injured, fatally injured.
		But he got out of the vehicle and he kept walking around saying, I don't want to die, I don't want to die.
		He obviously had internal injuries that cost him his life, but he didn't die right away.
		He began to lay down and he laid down in his brother's arms and he was telling his brother, I don't want to die, I don't want to die.
		And just then he stopped talking to his brother and he looked away for a brief second.
		And as he looked away, then he turned back to his brother and he smiled and he said, it's okay now.
unidentified		It's okay.
unidentified		And then he died.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So that, whatever he saw, and it wasn't, even though he had a trauma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know that story?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard his brother tell him on the radio many times, and then I think I read about it in some magazine or something like that.
		But I did hear his brother talk about it.
		And as a matter of fact, his brother even said that up until that point, he had no belief in anything after that.
		But because of that experience with Sam, he began to believe that there had to be something else going on because of the last few minutes of his life and what happened.
		So whatever he wasn't able to perceive in the physical, and as he began to slowly lose grips with the physical body and the five senses, all of a sudden he could perceive something else there that brought him comfort and solace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're an expert on OBEs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you are in the middle of an OBE, do you see entities that are non-human?
unidentified		Oh, yes, you can.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's not something that happens a lot, but definitely.
		Because we're just, we're human souls now.
		We're in a human experience, but this is not the...
		Our particular experience here, we're human souls.
		But that doesn't mean that we're the only souls that exist, period.
		Life force, the life force is basically what the soul is made of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a scientist on, last night I had a scientist on.
		I don't know if you heard him.
		A brilliant, brilliant guy.
		He's going to have his body frozen when he dies because he said, otherwise, the only other two choices are cremation and burial.
unidentified		There ain't nothing else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So he feels that they're going to reanimate his body later and the soul will come back into the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, he doesn't think we have a soul.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I talked to him about that.
		I said, you don't think we have a soul?
		He said, where is the evidence?
		That was his answer, question.
		Where is the evidence?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I would totally agree with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do this when we come back, and we will be back.
unidentified		We'll do this when we come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of sounds of silence in the beginning, that could be describing an OBE, couldn't it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really does.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got to stop and listen and apply it.
unidentified		Definitely.
unidentified		Because of you, my collection of music is growing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, I don't even remember where we were.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were talking about the guy you had on before and how he didn't believe there was a soul.
		And I totally understand his position 100%.
		And none of the things that I've shared with you over the past few years, I would have ever shared with you if it hadn't been for some sort of personal experience.
		And it's just like you could be the inventor of the bicycle, and you could tell me about it.
		You don't have to walk anymore, Al.
		I'd be real skeptical.
		Well, I want to see this thing.
		And then you'd pull it out and show it to me.
		And I'd go, well, that doesn't mean that you can ride this thing or it helps you get from here to there.
		And then you can get on it and you can ride it.
		And seeing you ride it and all that is almost enough to really convince me that it's a good thing.
		But what's really going to do it for me, as me personally, is if I get on the bike and I learn how to ride it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but here's the thing, Albert.
		I know that OBE's out-of-body experiences are true.
		No doubt.
unidentified		Because you're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got on the bike because I got on the bike.
		I did it not willingly, but I did it.
		So I know it's true.
		But what I don't know is that that was my soul traveling.
		What I don't know is that perhaps it was something that an active living mind can do.
		But it doesn't necessarily have to involve what we think of as a soul.
unidentified		That means you could think that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		With one experience, and I would probably think that way too, with one experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But if you repeat it over and over again, and then you, and so let's say you decide that, because you've got to remember, Art, and you know this, my book is my diary, and I never plan on sharing it with anybody.
unidentified		I was just keeping it for myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So it wasn't about writing a book and then, hey, look at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but you still haven't, you haven't shown me it's a bad thing.
		So, I mean, even if you did it a hundred times, it may be something that a living mind is capable of doing.
		Actually leaving your body, but that doesn't mean you're just soul.
unidentified		I agree.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But then you start breaking down what kind of experiences you start having.
		Then you have experiences like in my book, and I talk about seeing my dead aunt on more than one occasion.
		The very first time, I was so, I just refused to accept it.
		I didn't believe in life after death or any of that.
		Then the second time, because we were communicating with more than just visuals, I was thoroughly convinced that this, whatever this thing was, it was definitely my aunt.
		And I already knew I carried her coffin to the grave.
		So that kind of experience, coupled with another experience with another deceased person, and then you add on to that, and then none of these are just disjointed experiences.
unidentified		Each one hinges on the other.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And if you're able to repeat this anyway, no matter if you tell anybody else, you personally are going to come to some kind of understanding about this or some kind of belief.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but all of these people that you met up with had a place in your brain.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
unidentified		Well, no, one of them didn't.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		One of them was an uncle of my ex-wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that might qualify.
unidentified		And I didn't even know too much.
unidentified		I didn't really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I qualify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you never met me, but I was an uncle of your...
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So, and he passed away.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I wrote about that in the book, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		You've got me there.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying, all these things made me question me.
unidentified		I had to say, well, wait a minute.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		One of two things.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm either going crazy or there might be some validity to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you considered the crazy part.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I considered that first.
unidentified		Because the first thing I thought, because I never believed in ghosts and knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just heard your laugh there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a little manic.
unidentified		Was it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first thing I did is I went to a psychiatrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just having fun with you here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you really did go to a psychiatrist.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I had MRI and neurological testing, and I was looking for a physical abnormality.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's the first thing.
unidentified		I didn't think about anything else.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I got a clean bill of health, yet these experiences continued.
		So I thought, okay, I'm going to document this.
		If I'm going nuts, I'm going to document this in as much detail as I possibly can, because when they find me babbling and drooling in the corner with my journal next to me, they'll know how I got there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		I believe these are real.
		I know these are real.
		So I guess let's do this.
		Let's talk to the audience.
		So many out there that have had this moment of being paralyzed and are scared to death.
		How do you move from that, Albert, to an OBE, to moving out of your body?
		How do you discipline yourself to do it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, the first hurdle is fear.
		Once you get past that and you're not afraid to venture further, it gets a lot easier.
		The more afraid you are, the harder it's going to get.
		But if you're past the fear, you can either at any Your desire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose you can help us to understand how to get past the fear, huh?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That takes practice, unfortunately.
		All I can say to you is that the only fearful experiences I have had were in the beginning a long time ago.
		And I continue to do it to this day, and I don't have any fearful experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what got you over the fear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask it that way.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Because the unknown became known.
		I realized I wasn't dying.
		I realized I was going to be able to come back to my body.
unidentified		I realized that there was nothing out there that could hurt me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And then I realized that the only really, truly dangerous place that I could ever venture and walk around would be in physical life compared to this because there was nothing negative on the other side.
unidentified		It was just the opposite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you and I have gone round and round on this one, and we will again, but I don't want to do that right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you managed to get yourself over the fear because it happened so many times, I guess.
unidentified		Right, and it took a lot of practice.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		A lot.
unidentified		Because I was terrified.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I was a big astral chicken.
unidentified		I mean, I was terrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, your advice to the person who's had a fear.
unidentified		Hey, baby steps.
		Baby steps.
		Just become comfortable with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're lying there.
		You're terrified.
		Tell me what then.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Try to relax.
		That relaxation is a big key because your heart rate will start going up.
		You'll start panicking.
		Try not to do that because nothing is going to happen to you.
		That's the first thing is you don't know what's going to happen, but I'm telling you this, nothing is going to happen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So don't relax.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Don't try to relax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't fight it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Try to relax.
		Try to just breathe normally.
		And the more and more you relax, the more and more you feel as if you're slipping away.
		Well, that's a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Because that's a good thing, because eventually it's only going to go to a certain extent, and you're not going to go into this abyss of darkness.
		You're going to go all of a sudden into a super conscious state.
		So you'll make a transition into that feeling that you had when you felt free, completely free and super aware.
		That's what happens right before that feeling of losing it or fading away.
		And if you can hang on past that, you'll realize that soon All of that will be gone, kind of like my friend saying there was a pop and then he felt fine.
		All of that will be gone and then you will be in total control of a new body, or not a new body, really very old, but a new vehicle that you can move, actually move around your environment in.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll pick up there in a moment.
		I promised the International Line I'd give them a good deal tonight.
		International Line, you're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		England.
unidentified		Hi, this is Brenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in England?
unidentified		In the south part, in Hampshire.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I had a question about what I think might have been an out-of-body experience one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, it started out as a dream, and then a bunch of scary stuff happened, as usual.
		And I felt myself doing a motion, kind of like where you're trying to swim out of deep water, like, you know, with your arms.
		And all of a sudden, I could see myself on the bed.
		And, ooh, that scared me.
		And I looked down and I realized that that's what it was, but there was some other people in the room I thought.
		But there really wasn't.
		Not physical people?
		Yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		There might have been.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Why did you think there wasn't?
unidentified		Because I thought it was a dream.
		Oh, okay.
		And it just kept getting weirder and weirder, and I saw myself, and just that fast, I thought I was sitting on the side of my bed.
		I thought, okay, this is really weird.
		And I'll just wake up now.
		And that happened five times.
		It just kept happening, and I thought I was awake, and I wasn't.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And now that it's happened five times, what do you think of it?
unidentified		It scared the hell out of me.
		Did it still scare you?
		No, it hasn't happened since then.
		I finally, when I finally really did wake up, I went and turned on every light in the house and splashed water in my face.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You sound like me.
unidentified		I went right through my house turning on all the lights, too.
		What I think happened is I may have been laying in a strange position.
		It was cutting off my air.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
unidentified		With my head turned or something.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Five times in a row?
unidentified		I don't know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's unlikely.
unidentified		I don't know, but that's when the rising up started.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		When things start to repeat themselves, generally you start looking for a pattern.
		And I'm saying the probability of it being something that's cutting off your windpipe is really very, very remote.
		There probably is another answer if you don't even want to take the out-of-body experience as the answer.
		There probably is something other than the one that you selected.
		So don't be so quick.
		A lot of people are very quick to explain it away when they have zero evidence rather than take a little bit of evidence.
unidentified		Yeah, a lot of very strange things happen in that apartment.
		That was before I moved over here.
		Very strange things.
		And so it was kind of nice.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So you seeing your body is the number one key right there.
		I mean, you can have a lot of out of body experiences, but some people don't see their bodies right away.
		You seeing it is definitely a big clue.
		And think about this.
		Think about the similarities to your experience to someone who has a near-death experience.
		It's almost identical, except you haven't had a trauma.
		So that would lend some credibility or some understanding that maybe this is an out-of-body experience because it is very similar.
		And then it's happened more than once.
		And each time, none of the times you've been injured or frightened, right?
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		All of the times, were there people in the room or images?
unidentified		Yeah, there was just one woman and she was very mean looking.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and another thing, one thing, when you're in that state, it is very easy to project onto an entity or a being your emotions and feelings.
		So if you're afraid, it is very easy for you to use a thought form and to project onto them something that is going to frighten you.
		It doesn't mean that she's really looking at you.
		It just means that you may be contaminating your experience because of some sort of fear or reluctance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, thank you very much.
		That's provoking to me.
		And it sends me over the edge.
		Now, here we go.
		You maintain that when leaving your body, and we did cover sort of getting up out of your body, I guess, and short of having a full-length mirror above your bed, and there'll be questions about that, seeing yourself is a key, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		One of them, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of them.
		So you maintain that it is ultra safe, that nothing can go wrong.
		That while you're out of your body, if anything even begins to go wrong in any way with your physical body, boom, you're back in your body again, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your body cannot be inhabited, taken.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not an advertisement for some spirit to come along and possess you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And it's not like getting out of your car and going into a building and you have no awareness of what's going on with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even if you're halfway to the moon, time isn't a factor, so boom, you're back in your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And you still can monitor your breathing and everything, even though you're projected at a great distance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I might as well go right to my closer here.
		Skip over all the middle territory.
		Lots and lots of people die in their sleep.
		It was always written, by the way, in the newspaper the next day or the next two or three days, he died peacefully in his sleep.
		Well, nobody really knows that.
		If he was alone, he might have been screaming, yelling, twitching in dire pain and passed away extremely painfully.
		They don't know that, but they died peacefully in his sleep.
		Now, how do we know that people don't die while they're out oh their bodies?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is what I would look for as a scientist, is that I would take a group of individuals who are claiming to have these experiences, and then out of all this large group of individuals, I would look for some type of abnormality regarding their health,
		maybe a reduction in heartbeat, blood pressure, something, some kind of pattern that starts to indicate that the body is failing in some kind of way and about to give up the life force.
		And if I could find some kind of repeatable pattern in this group of individuals, then I would tend to believe that possibly this particular practice may lead to some type of trauma to the physical body or even possible death.
		But with all the groups that I have ever, ever seen, not one of them has been ill in any way, shape, or form, or has their health degraded in any way, shape, or form.
		And in fact, a lot of them have reported the opposite, that they're in better health than they've ever been.
		In my case, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are the ones, all the ones that come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ones that don't come back can't report a damn thing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If there were a chance of slipping out the door the other way, there should be some physical sign in the physical body.
		It's a machine.
		There should be a reduction of something in the body that shows that the life force is waning away if people can die through this.
		But there isn't any evidence whatsoever that the body's life force or its physical condition health-wise degrades at all, even a little bit, through the out-of-body experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even you must admit, there are people who die without warning, without any physician having seen them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They just, boom, they're gone.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And so far, that seems to be an isolated thing, non-related to out-of-body experiences, because there's no degradation whatsoever.
unidentified		If there was, then I would say, well, wait a minute, that's a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then let's try this one.
		Suppose you're out of body and you do die unexpectedly.
		Then what?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Then you may as well.
unidentified		Then you're going to see the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you're going to see the light.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Then you've got to think about what you've been doing and how you're going to explain some of the mistakes that you've made.
		But, you know, I have heard a lot of people have had near-death experiences, okay?
		I mean, I've talked to, there's 8 million people in the United States who've had near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So an OBE could transition directly from an OBE to a death experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I wouldn't say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course you haven't heard that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can't draw any connection that someone almost died.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That their body in some kind of way had to, the paddles had to be brought in or the CPR or some kind of thing happened that they almost died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, have you seen that commercial on TV where they put the paddles on the guy?
		It's a credit card commercial.
		And they revive him and he's suddenly happy and indicates that he's so happy he saved money using this particular credit card.
		It's a riot.
		Hold on, Albert.
		We'll be right back.
		Dr. Albert Taylor is my guest.
		is Coast to Coast AF.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AF.
unidentified		Hi, I'm...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So tomorrow night the kiddies are out of the room and right now too because the next segment is going to contain some rather adult material, something we haven't covered with Al Taylor previously, but it's about to.
		This will be a trick, easy question first from Ken in Phoenix, Arizona.
		I think it's a very interesting question.
		In my experience, the further out you go, the more peaceful, safe it becomes.
		Does Albert agree?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Oh, definitely.
		Further away from the physical world, the physical world is the most frightening part of our experience as a consciousness or soul.
		The further away from the physical world, the non-physical realms are nothing like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Ken, a very evolved person from Phoenix, Arizona, asks, could someone doing an OBE, astral projection, observe someone of the opposite sex undressing, showering?
		In other words, be a peeping tom?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		There are no limitations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alrighty.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying you would be motivated to do that, but there aren't any limitations that I found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ken is motivated to do that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is in the physical mind, in the physical state.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		When you get into that other state, you don't care about stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now let's try this one out on you.
		This is somebody who at one point actually attended a Learning Light seminar that you did in Southern California.
		Her name is Karen, and she writes as follows.
		All right.
		I thought I heard you mention that Al Taylor is going to be on the show this week.
		If so, can you please pin him down and get him to talk frankly about the sexual aspects of OBEs?
		I can certainly understand why OBE experts hesitate to openly discuss that angle of the experience, but the fact is, sex often plays a very prominent role, especially for a beginner who does not have a lot of control over the experience.
		And definitely if the person has a lot of pent-up sexual energy, which is not being utilized in the physical state.
		Robert Monroe does have an entire chapter devoted to sex in one of his OBE books, but he's one of the few authorities who's brave enough to delve into the issue.
		I'm not done yet.
		Here's the best part.
		Since no one really talks openly about it, I was very confused as to why, especially at the beginning, I kept finding myself flying out over the ocean, then being pulled down to ships at sea, having orgies for hours with the astral forms of men on those ships.
		But I finally theorized that what was happening was that my intense, pent-up female sexual energy was drawing me to the male energy, sexual energy of the men on the ships, who were no doubt sex craves due to being pulled away from women for so long while out to sea.
		Wow.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm having trouble with my phone.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I didn't catch all that.
unidentified		No.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you this.
		All right.
		Voyeurism, watching someone undress, is a little bit different than astral sex.
		Astral sex is a sharing of energies and emotions and feelings.
		And it definitely does happen.
		And it happens generally to the beginner travel the novice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's entirely possible what she just wrote there is a dead flat.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And in my new book, Soul Traveler 2 Grounded by Bad Weather, I have a chapter that says physical sex, astral sex, and God.
		And it talks about exactly all of that.
		And so this is, and that's something that I've been getting a lot of questions on, and I never really addressed it in any of my lectures or the book before, but I definitely cover it in the new book.
		But I give you a little bit different perspective on what it's all about.
		And it's not, because we know it's not about procreation, because the physical, the astral body can procreate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Astral sex is not going to cause it.
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to have astral babies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, astral sex then is some sort of form of, say, sex.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's even beyond that.
		What is the desire to bond or share that kind of energy?
		What's really going on there?
		And that's what I talk about in the new book.
		I go beyond just the physical aspect of what it is and what we think it is and go into, since we're talking non-physical, into the energy aspect of it and what we're really trying to achieve in that desire.
		What's really going on there?
		And I believe it has a lot more to do with connecting with our true selves and God than it does the actual act of sex or procreation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you would say that somebody who's astrally sexing it up is not fully evolved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm not saying that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess we all are fully evolved, otherwise we would be completely unexpected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you really are saying that, though.
		You're saying that the experience itself, even though it can be that and has been documented to be that, is really not that.
		Or that's just some sort of beginning part of the experience that actually is something, it is a desire.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's like being hungry and maybe drinking water when you should be eating food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm just a beginner, so.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And so there is something greater than just sex aspect of what's drawing us to that whole experience.
		And what's a true experience is something that I believe is becoming one to what we were before we came here and the pure ecstasy of what it's like to be close to, if you believe in, God or the Creator.
		And the reason I even say that is because I have another friend of mine who had a near-death experience.
		And she drowned while diving off the island of Catalina.
		And when she had her, she said when she felt that her, I think her regulator started malfunctioning, and all of a sudden she started panicking and suffocating.
		Then the next thing she knew, she was surrounded by this song, and then she found herself floating above the water, watching her physical body sink below the waves, and then she was drawn up into the light, and this is how she described it.
		She said, the experience of reuniting with this light source, this intelligent conscious energy, was purely orgasmic.
		So I think, and that's why her description and a lot of other people's descriptions who've actually gone to beyond just the physical, beyond just having an out-of-body experience to actually having some encounter with this light force, that seems to be the big draw of what's going on there.
		And everything else we do is almost kind of supplementing that in the astral.
		And the physical, I believe, is definitely so that we can procreate and populate the planet.
		In the astral, it doesn't make sense to apply those same rules.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Caesar and Anaheim asks or says, since I have had out-of-body experiences since I was a child, so he's like you in a way.
		But I want to know how not to have them.
		I just want to sleep.
		And I would add myself that compared to bad dreams or even a frightening bit of being paralyzed or an OBE, some people prefer the old-fashioned little slice of death.
		So if he's having them and he can't stop them, I'm not sure you've ever considered this before.
		You probably don't get this question all that often.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Once in a while, I get it from my family a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so how do you stop them?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the first way will be a lot of coffee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No wonder it only happened in Paris.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Stay awake, oh no.
		The thing is, I can tell you about when you're about to separate from the physical or you're having the night paralysis or sleep paralysis.
		The one thing that seems to bring me back faster than anything is not trying to move my entire physical body, but trying to move just a small portion of my body, like my little finger or my toe or something like that.
		So if you want to get out of the paralysis and not have an out-of-body experience, just try to move a small portion of your body.
		And once you can do that, everything else kind of reconnects on its own.
		So that's a good way to stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's absolutely excellent.
		I mean, that really is an excellent answer.
		There is a way then to stop them.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you want to.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to ask them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From your perspective, there's no way you should want to stop them, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, fear is the biggest thing that stops everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, William, but once you're past that and you're getting frequent traveler miles...
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, once you get there, you'll never...
		It wasn't up until about maybe six or seven years ago that I shared with her what this really is.
		And since her first full-blown out-of-body experience without fear, she has never gone back to not wanting them.
		And she's 80.
		So it's changed her life after seven and a half decades.
		And she has never been the same.
		So that's how wonderful this thing is.
		She dreaded it all this time, but now it's the most incredible thing in her whole life at this late stage in her life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Albert, for somebody who is in jail, and I have a lot of people in the Huskyow that listen to me because I get to the point.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I get the letters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get the letters.
		So, for somebody in jail, this would be a really good thing.
		For somebody who can't otherwise travel, maybe they're confined to bed, maybe they've got a spinal injury, they can't move, whatever the cause would be, this is a way to still move independent of the body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And no matter what your physical condition, once you're traveling astrally, you don't have any aches and pains, do you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not quite the opposite.
unidentified		Pain.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, oh, no, you know what?
		I have to say this, though.
		You don't have any aches and pains normally, but if you think something is going to hurt you while in the out-of-body state, you can feel pain.
		Only if you think it can hurt you.
		Like if you see a lion or something and it bites you.
		And you believe it, then you can feel pain.
		It doesn't mean that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even astrally?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but it's not external.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not really hurt.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's because you believed it.
		And that is a choice that you make.
		It's not something that's forced on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, but now, see, here you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This makes it sound to me like it could be a negative experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Only if you believe that you can be injured.
		It's not a lasting injury, but you can feel pain if you believe it.
		And that's easy to get past.
		Once you get past it, no matter what happens, you don't have to feel that.
		But you, you're creating it.
		The mind, your consciousness is so incredibly powerful, there's nothing I can do to stop its influence over the physical body or your experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if I was not afraid and I was having a regular OBE, then if a lion bit me, I'd just go, ha ha ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it would never bite me in the first place.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If you were at a conscious level and you knew you were having a consciously controlled out-of-body experience, something could happen and you would be impervious to pain.
		But if you weren't all that aware and you were kind of lucid and didn't know what was going on and kind of believed that this was a real lion or a shark or whatever, and it did you, you could imagine and actually feel pain.
		People have been hypnotized where they have been given quarters and told that these quarters are hot.
		And then the person, they put it in the hand and they ask the quarter because they believed in their consciousness was convinced that it actually left a ring around their palm as if they had been burned.
		The mind is so incredibly powerful, it takes a lot of practice to control.
		But it's up to you.
		It's not an external thing.
		So that gives you hope right there.
		It's about what do you want to do?
		And you have complete the, you have the ability to control your out-of-body experience and have nothing but wonderful experiences as long as you focus on that and practice and release some of the negative stuff.
		The mind is very, very powerful.
		It's almost like being a genie all of a sudden.
		And anything you think will manifest, be it good or bad.
		There's no judgment.
		It will just happen.
		So with that kind of consciousness, it really takes a lot of practice to be able to control it as much as possible.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you say that the average person who has had their first OBE is coming back a happy camper or a scared camper?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Probability-wise, 70 to 80% it would be a happy camper.
		The negative experiences are really in the minority.
		And the more experiences you have, it drops off from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You can travel anywhere, which means you could travel to a neighbor's house.
		Right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you could see that neighbor.
		Is there ever any condition under which that neighbor would recognize that you are there?
		Maybe perhaps see you out of the corner of their eye or some little movement or detect that you are present?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		It is very possible.
		But it was not because of you.
		It's because that particular neighbor is sensitive to subtle energies.
		And that particular neighbor can pick up more than just your astral form, probably can pick up a lot of astral forms or dark shadows or something that's non-physical.
		But yes, it is definitely possible.
		It is also possible and more probable that children and babies can see you.
		And it is more probable and possible that animals can detect you also.
		Like cats.
		Cats and things like that can perceive subtle energies that we humans in the physical form aren't able to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To me, it seems as though you're now off into the area of the shadow people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess you are, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, basically, I don't see a line being drawn that much between the non-physical beings and the shadow people.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't see them as being something separate, a whole other breed of intelligent individuals that are non-physical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever had a physical person or animal or any being recognize you, recognize your presence, acknowledge your presence, or be scared by your presence, or in any way react to you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Everybody react to me, but they thought they were maybe seeing something for a brief second and then ignored it.
		And I thought, oh my God, can this person see me?
		Before I have had people react to me, I haven't had anyone say, oh my God, what's that?
		Now, Robert Monroe has, in his books, he talks about a friend of his that he actually was able to touch and pinch.
		And they even saw them.
		And later he called them back and talked to them.
		She said, oh, my God, was that you?
		That thing I saw?
		Was that you?
		So it is definitely possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how can you imagine pinch?
		How can you imagine that something astrally is able to manifest a physical pinch?
		Can you imagine how that?
unidentified		I wouldn't want that to happen to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, no, no.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't want anybody coming in astrally and pinching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		I understand that.
		But my question is, how do you manage To move from the astral enough to the physical to be able to do that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Practice, Robert, and it depends on this too.
		There's one thing that matters that we have very little control over in this lifetime, and that one thing is the particular evolutionary state of our soul.
		Our souls are different levels of evolution.
		They've evolved to a certain point.
		The more evolved the particular soul is, the more talents it has, the more capabilities it has.
		And it can branch into everything from being able to move physical objects in the astral to healing and a bunch of other things.
		So not everyone who has an Ada Bai experience is going to be able to do the same thing.
		Some people will barely be able to move around the room.
		Some people will be able to move around a lot.
		I was just at this conference where an individual was telling me, she was telling me that she was able to move the blinds in her bedroom.
		I haven't seen anybody do that yet, but she was explaining to me that she had gotten to that point.
		So it just depends on the evolutionary state of the person and in the physical, it depends on the amount of practice and where they're really focused on how much they think they can do consciously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your first book still available on Amazon.com?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Web link up on my website, folks, under tonight's guest info.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your new book is called What?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's called Soul Traveler 2, Grounded by Bad Weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Soul Traveler 2 is also, is it not, available on Amazon?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It will be.
		It will probably be out this fall.
		It's in the editing phase right now, and I'm hoping it gets out to my publisher by next month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's excellent.
		All right.
		We'll pick up on that note when we come back.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert.
unidentified		Falling in love was the last thing I had on my mind.
		Holding you is the warmth that I thought I could never find Just trying to find
		Oh, my God.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Great to be back.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I get a lot of letters from Germany after doing your show from Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're out there.
		A lot of places.
		Oh, listen.
		It's figuring out how to call this dog on toll-free 800 line that is the problem.
		I get email from all over the world every night.
		Again, folks, give it a try.
		Maybe you'll have to fool around with some numbers.
		Look on our website, combine it all, call the operator, beg.
		It's a free call.
		The number is from anywhere in the world, 800-893-0903.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It would be great to get some calls from overseas because on the tour of the new book, I'm going to be going to England and Germany, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you, really?
		Loading it, yes.
		Well, that's wonderful.
		So your new book, technically, then, is not quite available?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's not available yet, and I'm working on it diligently, but I'm hoping definitely by the fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it doesn't matter.
		Your new book is going to be great, but the one they should be going after is Soul Traveler, because it's available now.
		Yeah, most of the people out there want to know how to do it, and that book lays it out, doesn't it?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, what I did is in chapter 10 is dedicated solely on how to do it, what it means, what to look for, everything, road signs, everything, and it gives you several different techniques.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And after all this time, I have heard at least every one of the techniques has worked for somebody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's an oddball question, but maybe not so oddball.
		A lot of people out there tonight we're going to hear from are going to refer to the shadow people.
		And Tim in Seaside, Oregon asks, you have been talking about what you can do while you have an OBE or how to have an OBE.
		What can I do to protect myself from others who are OBEing?
		Or can I?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, protection is what are we talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Privacy.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No one's injuring you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, loyalism?
		Yeah, sure.
		Why not?
		Privacy is what I said.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing you can do regarding that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If someone means to come and visit you, there's nothing you can do about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a thing you can do.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, there isn't.
		You might see them out of the corner of your eye and whatever, but they're going to be I mean, the better you get at it, the more places you can go.
		Protection-wise, I mean, I understand her privacy concerns and all of that, but it's very rare for a person to target another individual and be able to go see them uninvited.
		Well, all right, then I don't even hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then.
		Let's ask a question here.
		Could you go on a vengeance-bent OBE?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say no, because anger is a form of tension, and that keeps you very well grounded in the body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's laxation, and it takes a lot of basically inner peace to be able to travel at will anywhere you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a damn shame.
		I mean, if you could just manifest a little bit, you could, man, you could do all kinds of things.
		You could go put a match between this guy's toes, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But then it opens the door to abuse.
		I mean, and I don't think this is something, it's not like a circus trick to me.
		It's deeply spiritual to me.
		And I think that if you start using it the wrong way, well, you think so?
		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think it's a tool that could be used in any way at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you've chosen the spiritual path.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the people that I have read their books, and they have had incredible journeys, are generally people who are spiritually grounded or spiritually aware.
		For instance, like Gananda and a few other Indian gurus, and even people like Robert and things like that, they weren't focused in that aggression, anger area.
		Most of the people have been very well educated, peaceful, kind, and that kind of thing.
		So I tend to believe that it goes hand in hand with that direction rather than the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and what about Saddam Hussein?
		Now, take Saddam Hussein for an example.
		He may be deeply religious.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And it's not a religious thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In his own way.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		All right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we all know what a mean, mean bastard he is, and he chops people up and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So who's to say he couldn't be on a spiritual head chopping trip?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say that it is incompatible with anger and aggression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		All right, fine.
		I want to allow everybody to call you now.
		Would that be all right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll have no doubt some good questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Oh, I will do that immediately.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
unidentified		Yeah, Mr. Taylor, I know you.
unidentified		You are a director in the city of Anaheim at a foundation on Recall.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
unidentified		I turned you on to the Art Bell show a few years ago, and I heard you on this show a number of times.
		The last time, a couple times ago, maybe, you had Art Bill calling you doctor, and now you're not a doctor.
		You just have an MBA.
		And you worked at an MDC when I spoke to you personally, and now you work at Lockheed.
		Sir, you are a fraud.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think you're missing a lot.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't work at Lockheed, and I really have a fraud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call her, call her.
unidentified		Hold on.
unidentified		Go ahead, Albert.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure what you're talking about.
		I do have a PhD, and I don't work at Lockheed.
		I worked at Lockheed back in the 70s.
unidentified		You said you worked at McDonnell Douglas.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You worked at McDonnell Douglas in the 90s.
unidentified		When I spoke to you last time, you worked at McDonnell Douglas.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Where was that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		In the 90s.
unidentified		When you were on the Art Fell show, Art Pulls the Tapes and Records In The Sky is a Fraud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, you're wrong.
		About that, you're absolutely wrong.
		Yes, you are.
unidentified		I'm not wrong.
unidentified		I spoke to the Skype personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		You are wrong.
		I'm telling you now you're wrong because I did the program.
		At no time did he ever say that he worked at Lockheed.
		That was his background.
		That's always been his background.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Haven't changed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You, sir, are just flat wrong.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I haven't changed in a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		When you came on my program, that was your background then.
		He's just absolutely flat wrong.
		Wild Carline, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Well, good evening, folks, or good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please turn your radio off.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm turning down my down.
		I know.
		Sorry about that.
		It's all right.
		Hi, this is Joy in Santa Cruz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, how are you?
		I had a wonderful experience with my first LBE, but I did have a question about the whole sexual thing, if you don't mind my asking.
		No, go ahead.
		Okay.
		I know it's a little bit of a strange question.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, not at all.
unidentified		But if people are in, let's say, their first experiences and they're kind of like floating around and not really getting their bearings, and they have all this extra sexual energy or pent-up energy where they want to, I guess, get connected with other people, would this be an explanation for the mythologies of succubus or incubus?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, incubus, succubus, those two confused.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		One of them comes and allegedly sleeps with women at night or something like that.
unidentified		Yeah, it was a male, it was a female.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		This could be related to that.
		It could be misinterpreted because it is so close.
		I mean, why would you, it is so closely related.
		I think it could be a deluded understanding of it, and it could very well be an astral sex situation.
unidentified		Well, especially if the person who's being visited is kind of in a dream lucid state themselves.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And they would try to report it, and since that's such an ancient belief, then they would try to equate it and understand it based on what they understand about their reality.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And demons and things like that were part of their reality, so I could see them saying that.
unidentified		And it was usually priests or other people who had a lifestyle that didn't let them really go into that area anyway.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say the priest probably never, or the high priest or whatever they would have been called at that time, probably never would have admitted to it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Usually it was the people or the common folk that would talk about things like that and they would go to the head of the church or whatever, the spiritual leader of that area, and he would be the one to either condemn them or exorcise them or whatever.
unidentified		Exorcise them.
		One quick further question.
		If a person isn't ethical and they're out there, I mean, because I've known people who've had them, they didn't even expect it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's a better question than my head hacker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they're simply unethical and there are plenty of unethical people out there, what then?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, since it is a talent of the soul, a lot of people are going to have the experience.
		Now, how many times and how good they are at it, I think that all depends on pretty much how clean your house is.
		I mean, you faint to be able to travel, but to really accomplish, to have no limits, I believe that those type of things, negativities and things like that, hold you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if the person was simply unethical and didn't believe his or her own behavior to be unethical, they simply locked ethics altogether.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And the only reason I would say it is possible, only because I don't see it being impossible, but I can say this, I haven't run into anybody that I can know that is really efficient at it, that is unethical also.
unidentified		So it's possible, but not likely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it kind of sounds like only Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts get to OBE.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, what happens is when you're in the experience, the experience itself changes how you behave.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You're here in the physical body and plan a lot of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that consciousness is very different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Okay, gotcha.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		This is basically a question.
		I'm actually, I don't know how to explain this.
		Like a few months ago, I had one of these, and I've gotten really afraid of them, like to go to sleep ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Afraid to go to sleep?
unidentified		Yeah, because I don't want to feel the way I felt again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right, so there you are.
		Same thing again.
		Afraid to go to sleep.
unidentified		And can I ask you this?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what you might be afraid of?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can answer it, of the fear of being paralyzed again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I've got somebody here fast-blasting that after the experience and yanking themselves out of it, they threw up.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nauseated.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Threw up.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That steak sandwich they had the night before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was the incomplete experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have run into somebody recently, and it's rare that someone gets nauseous, but I just ran into this person, I think, within the last 24 to 48 hours getting nauseous and having a stomach problem.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But like I said, that is out of 100 people, that's maybe 1%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you're actually out there traveling, do you throw you like toss astral chunks?
unidentified		I haven't seen any yet.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not that I want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But if he's afraid, it's basically you have to talk to yourself.
		You have to tell yourself, so far, nothing has happened to me.
		I can tell you this, you're not going to die, so maybe that's a fear that you don't have to worry about.
		You're not going to be injured.
		You're not going to be prevented from coming back to your body.
		You will be as healthy as you are now, if not in better condition.
		So far, there aren't any negative things that I can think of that would happen to you.
		So just practice that.
		Keep reminding yourself of that.
		And eventually, as you'll discover, nothing happens to you, you'll get a little bit more comfortable with it and be able to travel a little faster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
		Hi.
		I didn't know if I was with me yet or not.
		Dr. Taylor?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		I have a question.
		My name is Pamela, and what are the, I never heard this term before, the shadow people.
		Do they come to you when you travel astrally?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		When you have out-of-body experiences, non-physical world opens up to you.
		And you could have encounters with everything from strangers who have passed to astral travelers, which are very, that's very rare, to non-physical beings that the same ones that come when a person is about to die or something that is about to happen, traumatic experiences are about to happen.
		So you could have encounters with a whole host of non-physical beings.
unidentified		I've been traveling astrally since I was 14.
		I do it regularly.
		I can do it awake.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And do you have encounters?
unidentified		I know the beings that you're talking about.
unidentified		I've never heard them called the shadow people before.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And see, that's maybe another terminology for the same thing.
		I know this, is when I've come out a lot, there are the same kind of, there's maybe one being there or maybe a few, but it's always the same beings or same type of beings.
		And sometimes there may be a deceased person that I may not know.
		But if you look at it, then I would think if there's shadow people with something different from these, then I should be able to, since I'm at a heightened sense of awareness way beyond the five senses, I can pick up what the five senses can and more.
		I should be able to see maybe this other group of individuals, standalone individuals who we label shadow people.
		But I don't.
		I see these other things all the time.
		So I'm thinking maybe because we, I really believe that we as a human species are evolving, and maybe some of these talents of the soul are slowly waking up, and some of those are allowing us to see these shadow images.
		And who knows, after a period of time, over the next few years, 100 years, maybe we will be able to actually see ghosts or deceased persons walking around.
		We will be at that level of awareness.
		I don't know.
		I believe that.
unidentified		I agree.
		I agree.
		I see those things.
		I see people who have passed all the time or are passing or about to pass.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And more and more people are coming forward.
		Maybe it's because they're not being ridiculed and persecuted anymore.
		But more and more people in this day and age are coming forward and saying that they're able to see these non-physical things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, doesn't it say someone that there will be a day when the dead will rise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something about that, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It does say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe when the day comes when we can see all of them, maybe that's the last day.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's a nice thought.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mean the last day on earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the last physical day.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		See, that's a religious interpretation into this experience.
		Yeah, I just thought that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just thought I could.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, it may not happen like that.
		We may just evolve into these things.
		Like, we may be evolved to the point where we no longer are handicapped by things like food and substance.
		And we may live at a totally different level of awareness.
		Where it may not be any more sickness and violence and those types of things.
		Maybe we will truly evolve into a galactic species, so to speak.
		No hamburgers, no fries.
		No pork lines.
unidentified		No influence.
unidentified		No beer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No ribs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No glasses.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No Hagen dots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No Haagendos.
unidentified		Oh, that's fair, is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on there with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi, my name is Scott, and I'm calling from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Scott, we've got a short time for them.
unidentified		Okay.
		I was just wondering, what is your personal opinion, Doctor?
		Hiya, how are you doing tonight?
		Good to get.
		I'm doing great.
		How are you?
		I'm doing much better.
		Good.
		I was just wondering, as far as cavemen and as far as their sense of spirituality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cavemen?
unidentified		Cavemen.
		Do you think that the cold temperatures had anything to do with the.
		I know that being in the womb is a very warm and comfortable feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does this relate to cavemen?
unidentified		Well, it seems to me that if you're cold and you're always trying to survive, that there begins to be a point where you want to become warm again, and by doing so, you're going I think I do, but I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to hold him over because it's a mystery to me.
		So stay right there.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		We'll see you next time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's Albert Taylor.
		All right, hold on, Doctor.
		Here's this caller again.
		Now, caller, try it one more time.
		I somehow wasn't getting it.
unidentified		Okay, it seems to me that the evolution of the human is not really physical, or that's not what propelled it.
		It seems like the evolution of the human spirit was trying to feel comfortable with the different environments.
		And it's almost like the new realm of the spirit, it was almost like trying to step outside, and then it got a little bit further, and then it got a little bit further.
		And maybe now today, because of our advancement, we're able to go, oh, I don't know, China, and maybe start maybe receiving things that they're needing and things that we're doing over here that we need to be aware of before we can fully be able to partake in whatever.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, first of all, I thought you were talking about the cavemen and high temperatures and maybe them projecting out of body because of being cold or something.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But what I thought you were leading to was indigenous primitive peoples, not necessarily cavemen, and why they would have a need to project out of the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Personally, it sounds to me like he was talking about an open trade policy with China.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm not sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Favored nation trading status or something.
unidentified		Because I mean, Americans, out of all the people in the world, Americans are really good, are really good at being able to reach out in different new ways that we can't quite understand and that we're just learning about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you mean astrally, huh?
unidentified		Astrally, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see.
		All right.
		Well, he means astrally.
unidentified		And it seems like we're preparing ourselves to almost like be acceptable to them.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, regarding the Americans, the Western world practicing these things and evolving into the area of being able to project themselves and have these experiences, I personally feel that the Western world's in the infant stages of development spiritually and the Eastern world into something there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, yes, I'm sure in the Eastern worlds, China, and so forth, there's a great deal more of this because of the spiritual nature.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, and even in Haiti and even in Native American peoples, there are more awareness of this type of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe there was logic to what he was saying after all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not, you know, maybe from the caveman to the modern American to the spiritual joiner who would then meet up with other spiritual beings in the world, like the Chinese.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I kind of understand.
		I think I can wrap it up with this, maybe.
		I believe the more technologically advanced we are, the harder it is to embrace and be able to achieve these kind of spiritual experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that might be it.
		Either that or was random.
		On the international line, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		I'm in England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In England?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part?
unidentified		Well, I'm just north of Gatwick Airport.
		I've spoke to you before.
		I just wanted you to know that this line is working fine from here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From England.
		Yeah, it seems to be working from England.
		But we're having a real hard time with it from a lot of other places because I keep getting these emails from Scandinavia, a lot of Asia.
		People can't get through.
		And so we're trying to figure out how they can get through.
unidentified		I see.
unidentified		Well, I do have a question for your guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		He mentioned that he was going to be in England.
unidentified		And I was wondering if he might be able to give me a time and a place.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you this.
		I have been invited.
		The invitation was only offered last month or so.
		I have accepted.
		And as soon as I know more about it, it will definitely be on my website at www.alberttaylor.com.
		And that's the quickest way I can offer for you to find out.
unidentified		Okay, that would be really great.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It'll definitely be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you must have a computer because you're listening to us.
unidentified		Well, this is the only way, as I told you a few weeks ago, it's still the only way we can get you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm looking forward to coming there.
unidentified		Well, wonderful.
unidentified		I'm looking forward to being able to perhaps be there with you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Very good.
		Wild, Cardeline, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning.
unidentified		You're on the air.
		Yes, I have a question for the doc.
		How are you doing today?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing great.
unidentified		I had a hair-raising experience several months ago.
		I was asleep, and I wasn't really in a deep sleep.
		And ever since I was younger, I've been able to have OVEs.
		And almost to the extent when I was awake as well, I could look at a building, top of a building, and instantly be looking down from it and see how high it looked from the top.
		Anyways, one night when I was not fully asleep, I was having an OVE.
		And I was going at an accelerated amount of speed all the way up through the stars, and I could see stars whipping past me.
		And then all of a sudden, I stopped, and then I kept going.
		Then I stopped, and I saw my father's face.
		He passed on.
		And he was smiling and stuff.
		And then all of a sudden, he had his face expression turning to an angry expression.
		He yelled no.
		Then his face turned to a green skull and then exploded.
		And I woke up, my wife said, I woke up.
		I was thrashing about, back and forth, you know, beating her up, trying to, I guess I was trying to come back.
		Anyway, it startled me to the point where, I'm sorry, what was that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Why the metamorphosis?
		Why did he change from a presence, a faith, to an angry, to a skull, to the explosion?
		You're curious about why that happened?
		Yes, okay.
		And, well, I can't say specifically without asking you a lot more questions, but I can say this.
		Sometimes when we co-like I would have out-of-by experiences and in the beginning of it, it would be very clear and I could see what's going on, but then for whatever reason, something, away with thoughts or thoughts or fears or anything, or even past experiences would come to memory or come to the forefront of an individual that I was having an encounter with, and those past experiences would actually project onto that individual something different than they were projecting to me.
		And it was me contaminating the experience, and it goes into like from a conscious out-of-body state to like a lucid or even semi-lucid dream state.
		And in that state, all kinds of dream material could happen, and anything bizarre or wild or surrealistic could transpire.
unidentified		So that may have been what happened to you.
		I had a little bit of fear.
		I have one quick question, and I'm going to let you go.
		Ever since I was younger, I told my mother that I was able to have these out-of-body experiences.
		She told me not to because when you're out of the body, a spirit or one that was taken early and didn't feel like it was their turn to go could inhabit your body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we actually covered this earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked if there was any way that a vacated body could be possessed, to which you replied, no.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and my grandmother used to tell me all kinds of stuff, too.
		I mean, people in a lot of areas, because of whatever superstitions they may have, and they usually aren't experiencers.
		Every experiencer, a person who's able to travel readily, I don't do anything like that.
		It's mostly I hear fearful condemnations from people who aren't experiencers or who don't travel very much or haven't, or are afraid to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's a pretty interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you enter other people's dreams while you're having an OBE?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Enter is an interesting word.
		I don't use that, but I can say interact.
		Yes, you can influence or interact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not a big difference the way I see it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can interact with a person.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		They may see, but see, you'll be in a very conscious state, and they will be in a dream state, and they may not remember it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, aren't they awfully vulnerable when they're like that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't say that go along.
		Plus, this is what you've got to remember.
		We haven't even talked about this.
		They're not alone, and they're very much guided in everything they do.
unidentified		So there's only so much you can do to influence a person.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's beyond you to step in and to actually cause that person harm.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You really don't have that capability because they're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say harm.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can influence and interact.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And be part of their dream.
unidentified		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		In my book, I talk about when I went to go see the doctor and I was at the foot of her bed.
		And I was talking.
		Now I found out there's a part of her consciousness that never sleeps.
		So I was able to actually have a brief conversation with this other aspect of her.
		After I came back to the physical body, I wrote all this down.
		This happened on a Saturday.
		I approached her on Monday at a class she was teaching at the local college.
		And she said, I said, you know, something risked to me over the weekend.
		And I said, I thought I came to visit you.
		And she said, you know what?
		On Saturday, I had a dream that you were standing at the end of my bed.
		See, and she didn't remember much more than that.
		I remembered a lot more than that.
		So that may be the state that, kind of how you can influence their dream state, which she really was in a contaminated awareness state rather than a pure, full-blown, mythical, fantasy dream state.
		So yes, you can interact with them to a certain degree.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's interesting.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hi, Albert.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
		I can't believe I got on.
		But I've had several experiences, and it's probably been mostly when I'm driving, and it's probably not the most safest time.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'll know that.
unidentified		Well, I know.
		I know it's probably not the safest time to do this.
		The thing is about it, I feel completely safe, and I feel like I'm being guided, and nothing...
		I don't know how to really explain it to you, but...
		The part of driving knows what's going on and knows where it's at.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And there's another aspect of you that knows a lot more than that.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And I know that it's all love.
		That's what it feels like to me, true purity.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		What you experience what a lot of joggers, I mean, people who've run marathons experience.
		I've heard stories of marathon runners getting into that zone, kind of a zone type of thing, too.
		And next thing they know, their bodies are running, carrying off a race, and they find themselves briefly hovering above the body.
unidentified		It doesn't feel completely like hovering.
		It feels more like I'm expanding.
		Like my soul is more like everywhere than just in one certain spot like it is supposed to be, but it's expanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would describe my experience, and you just did it with words far better than mine have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had this brief experience, ma'am, that I had in Paris.
unidentified		You do it when deep breathing?
unidentified		Because that's when it happens to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds just like what you explained.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful that it happens to you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, you know, when you clear your mind, like when driving is almost like hypnosis.
unidentified		It is to me because I do it for a living and that's pretty sad.
		I think concentrating on one thing, staying between the lines.
		I take the same routes every day.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I mean, I know where I am.
unidentified		It's like home to me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you kind of like, or you go on autopilot, so to speak.
unidentified		Exactly.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And when you do that, that's almost like a meditative state.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And anything can happen once you reach that fork in the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you drive?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, what do you drive?
unidentified		I drive my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your car.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What color is it?
unidentified		It's silver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be washing forever.
unidentified		Oh, don't worry about it.
		I tell you what.
		I used to live near Vegas.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I used to live there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		I was born there and lived there most of the part of my life and was raised with the And I was raised with that.
		And actually, my stepfather used to help build Mills Air Force Base.
		And I was there when the marshmallow factory and everything blew up.
		I experienced all of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, the next thing you're going to tell me is your sober, unguided missile is cruising the streets of Perump every day.
unidentified		No, no, I don't have time anymore.
unidentified		Actually, I live in the Midwest now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to run.
		That was really interesting.
		And the way she actually described the experience really, that connected with me.
		That's kind of what it was like.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And it happens a lot.
		It makes a lot of sense.
		And that's great that she, see, when she's zoning out like that, you can do that through meditation or anything.
		You can achieve an altered state in almost any kind of condition.
		It just depends on how well you're able to clear your mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, hello.
		Oh, I didn't push the button.
		Sorry.
		Now I have.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air now.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		Actually, I have three questions.
		First question is, you said communication.
		Is that like a regular speech, or are you more communicating like a telepathic kind of way?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I understood what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, he's saying there is communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it as in speech or more like a telepathic?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's telepathic, but you hear words.
		Not moving your lips, but you hear words.
		There's definitely telepathic.
unidentified		The second great thing is if somebody that suffers from illness for a long time or has a terrible accident, they still have to, you know, in the state study, they still have to be in those kind of forms or they have much, you know, nicer, new kind of speech study.
unidentified		I can't quite understand what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean while astrally traveling?
unidentified		Well, let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if somebody's had an accident or they've been in some way really hurt and they're confined, when they're astrally traveling, are they free?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they pass away?
unidentified		Yes, they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then they're dead.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And if by that you mean do you take some horrible disfiguring something or another over to the other side?
		I would tend to doubt that since it's mainly a spiritual trip, right, Albert?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You may take the trauma for a little while to the other side with you, but it hates.
		And you start becoming an image of the best you've ever been in this life.
		People have reported seeing loved ones in dreams and things like that after they pass, and they always report that they've looked like they were 10 or 20 years younger and in the best health of their life.
		So no, you don't take the physical abnormalities and things like that that we have over here, over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure that you are reporting accurately, Doctor?
unidentified		You know, I have this, this story, and this is what I've heard.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have a lot of people, I've known this guy who's had a near-death experience, who's been blind all of his life, and in the near-death experience, he could see.
		So it doesn't matter very much what is going on in the physical when it comes to being in that state.
		It's a whole other reality.
		And as a matter of fact, it may be a real, more of a closer reality to what we in the physical state are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're having here.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi there.
		This is Kelly.
		I've got a couple of questions I wanted to ask.
		I'm going to try to speed it up for you.
		One thing that I wanted to mention is that I've had experiences when I'm outspoken traveling where I actually meet somebody that I know in my daily life.
		I mean, somebody that is alive, they're not dead.
		And they actually will, sometimes mention to me first, or I'll mention to them, you know, a specific place that we remember being in.
		And often it seems like we've actually traveled rather than having it there in some kind of like a mental experience or dream experience.
		And so that's kind of like when I first started realizing that there was some sort of somewhat physical reality to what was happening rather than it being like all in my mind.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So you have the experience and then after you come back, you see the personal and the physical and they can remember the experience also.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
		That happens.
		That can happen.
		And I also will have experiences where I will see something, like I'll go to a different place, I'll see an object in a room that I didn't know was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Young lady, we've got a break.
		Can you hold on?
		Sure.
		All right, then I'm going to hold you through the break.
		right there Imaginary?
		Or perhaps astral?
unidentified		You must ask yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Dr. Albert Taylor and our caller, you are back on the air, ma'am.
unidentified		Wonderful.
		like I was saying, you know, I've seen objects in rooms that I've afterward traveled into that I couldn't have possibly known were there.
		And other incidents happened where it was really clear to me that it wasn't just something in my mind, like a dream that seemed real.
		It was actually like I was physically leaving my body somehow.
		And I've done this with people before, and so that also kind of proved it to me.
		One thing that kind of concerned me, though, was that something that you said about the astral sex thing a little while ago, about the fact that novices tend to have experiences like that and so forth.
		And while, I mean, I wouldn't say that I've been doing this my whole life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Novices, I think he said, tend to opt to try to have those kinds of experiences.
		But go ahead.
		I didn't want to.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's something that anyone can do no matter what stage you are, but it only happens in the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Albert, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, were you hoping to have one of those experiences or hoping to avoid that?
unidentified		Oh, no, no, no.
		Actually, I've been doing the astral travel thing for maybe 14 years, and I've never had anything like that happen.
		But what happened is that I fell in love with somebody, and it accidentally happened.
		And the thing that's odd here is that it was not some kind of like a perverted tinky thing, but it was an extremely spiritual thing.
		And the after effect of that, which was interesting, is the fact that I did not tell this person that I'd had that experience, but he knew.
		And so since this time, I mean, actually, we've gotten a lot closer, needless to say, but the thing that I'm finding interesting is that I'm seeing that there are a lot of parallels with the actual stuff and the daily stuff, even the things that you maybe don't tell people or that you may want to acknowledge.
		And so I just kind of wanted to mention that and find out if the doctor thinks that that's kind of like a normal experience, like if he's heard of that happening with other people in relationships or in new relationships, or if that's kind of like an off-the-wall thing, or what he thinks of that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the bonding, the desire to bond with another person's energy and something like that, I think that is a very natural thing.
		What I was saying is that the basic astral sex thing where it is a stranger or a pile of people like Robert Monroe's book is a novice thing, but there's always going to be that drive to bond with another person.
		Now the thing that I'm really saying here is that in the physical, it's for procreation.
		Now in the non-physical, what is going on there?
		I think it's very deeply spiritual, and I think it's just a prelude to wanting to bond with something even greater than just another person who is a soul.
		I think there's a thirst going on there that moves us through these different stages.
		Right.
		But there's nothing negative about it.
		I have no condemnations about sex, astral sex, physical sex, or any of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't suppose they could have an astral love child, huh?
unidentified		No, but if you do, please write me and send me a picture.
		You will be the first to know.
		Can I make one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we'll be the second to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At best, the second to know, yes.
unidentified		Can I ask one other thing really quick?
		Sure.
		How do you know for sure that it's definitely safe to leave your body down?
		I mean, I know that's weird after 14 years of this that I'd worry, but I'm still worried about it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Only because if there was anything negative that had happened, I would report it, and I don't have any negative pile.
		My negative pile is empty.
		That's why I tend to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, I don't know about their negative pilots.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't have any negative things that I can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, don't do that.
		That's probably because you threw all the negative ones in file 13.
		How could you not, in thousands of responses, have one negative one?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Nothing permanently negative.
		To me, if you have a bad experience and then you come back and, oh, oh, well, I didn't like that.
		To me, that's not a bad thing.
		It's not something that you should run from.
		It's just you didn't have a pleasant experience at that particular time, but you weren't harmed in any way.
		It was nothing permanent.
		I think you're asking me about something that would harm you after the experience that you would have to deal with in your life.
		Is that what you're asking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		know.
		Negative could be well, I What could be negative?
		All right, so fine.
		You go on your little astronomy experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that could be some negative, scary experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're out there roaming around on the astral grass, and here comes a horse charging at you with a big guy with glowing red eyes and a sickle, and he's going to lob your head off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, to me, that definitely goes in the negative pile.
unidentified		Well, that's not pleasant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Jack in Tampa, Florida asks the following.
		How do you tell the difference between an OBE and dream?
		Oh, oh, Jack.
		You know, if you have to ask, you've never had one.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a big difference.
		A dream is something that is fleeting and you may remember the next day or may not.
		And out of bite fish, you will remember the rest of your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, I'll witness that one for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, good morning, Art.
		Good morning.
		Good morning, Albert.
		This morning is for calling from Honolulu, Hawaii, listening to you on KHGH AM 830.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where this stupid time change has cost us an hour.
unidentified		I know.
		And you know what?
		Let me tell you, first of all, I'd like to compliment you, Art.
		Your juxtaposition of these two shows back-to-back last night and tonight's, having this scientist, the empiricist scientist, and tonight, the spiritual scientists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And it's a beautiful juxtaposition.
		I compliment you.
		And also, you're a gentleman, a scholar, the way you handle both these opposing, diametrically opposed views, and you've given both these men the respect they're due because they're both obviously highly intelligent individuals.
		Before I get to Albert's question, however, Albert, and it's a pleasure to speak with you.
		Thank you.
		I've got something to report to you, Art, that's of great concern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The other night, a couple nights ago, you had the guests on talking about the air traffic controller and talking about the trails.
		Well, in the middle of this show, the local radio station here, somebody pulled a plug.
		They didn't just pull the plug, they couldn't actually pull the plug on your show.
		What they did was they ran commercials on top of key segments of the show.
		And if it happened once, you'd say, oh, it was an accident, a programmer hit the wrong switch or something.
		But these are repeated several times throughout the show, right at peak points, and for prolonged periods.
		I recorded it, actually, and I'm going to send you a copy or your own reference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, a chemtrail executive.
unidentified		Somebody.
unidentified		And I'm wondering if how many others in the United States, if people should maybe report these kinds of, if they're having these things and they relegate it to some kind of, oh, it was a mistake, but when, in fact, it's some deliberate attempt to try to prevent information from being freely delivered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that we know, our network has ways of dealing with these people.
unidentified		Well, yeah, but it ain't shut you down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it ain't pretty.
unidentified		No, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me.
		Trust me.
		We know now.
		That's enough.
		Go ahead and ask your question.
unidentified		Okay, by the way, I'm going to send that to your PO box.
		It's on the website.
		Is that right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just fine, yes.
unidentified		Okay, good.
		Albert, you know, my question is this.
		I've had some out-of-body experiences, and I had the usual terrifying one, the feeling of the hands gripping, trying to drag you out of your body kind of thing.
		And I've tried for a long time to overcome that because, well, it has to do with a religious background.
		Now, I think last night's guest was hitting on some topics.
		He was saying, we don't have any evidence, the realm of spirit, okay?
		I think science for the longest time has gotten this stick in their rear about anything spiritual because they connect it with religion, which has obviously been filling us with all kinds of hell and brimstone and everything else to create fear within us.
		And I think that science is reacting from the persecution they've gotten and a bad rap and all this kind of stuff.
		Now, they ought to get over it because there's way too much evidence for spiritual reality and ESP and paranormal experiences.
		What I'm thinking is this.
		The human being evolved.
		Let's just say we evolved.
		We weren't created.
		That's always been a sticking point for science.
		They say we evolved.
		Okay, well fine.
		We evolved.
		That's great.
		However, as a survival tactic, this organism finally figured a way to create an envelope, what I would call the astral body, so that there could be a surviviousness beyond the physical death because as we evolve, the mind began to realize that there's a limit and then there's an end.
		So a strategy was developed to create an envelope for the mind to transcend from the physical into this parallel reality.
		And I think that in those terms, that this envelope is the astral body.
		And what I'm wondering, you know, I mean, obviously that's what you use to travel, astral travel, astral project.
		Just how dense, what sort of matter would you say this astral body is created out of?
		And what kind of ability to, I mean, is it something we're going to eventually shed and become pure thought?
		Or are we going to use that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot to tackle.
unidentified		All right, I'll let it go.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		Have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, thank you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		That was a good question.
		One thing I can say is that I have traveled without the astral body.
		So it is not something that you are permanently in.
		The astral body is for circumventing or touring the astral plane only.
		It's not capable of going above that.
		There are many levels above that.
		So I think the etheric body, which is the light body, is the more permanent one.
		The astral body is like a doppelganger of the physical.
		So it does ease transition into that state.
		Because if you went from a physical to an etheric state of consciousness, which you don't have arms and legs and all that, it would be extremely disorienting.
		So I do think that there is a part of us that does create the astral form to make it a lot easier for us to make that transition.
		I hope that answered his question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can travel without an astral body?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
		Definitely.
		And I wrote in my book where, and Robert Monroe also wrote about it also, the first level is traveling in the astral body.
		And then I found myself able to leave the astral body behind and exist as this pinpoint of consciousness, which was, I call, the etheric or light body.
		And when I was in that body, that's when I was capable of going far beyond the astral plane.
		And I actually saw things like the light and had more like angelic-like encounters.
		So definitely, we definitely can travel beyond the astral plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Garrison in Fresno asks, how can I get these damn shadow people to leave my bedroom?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You know, the thing about it is they're there all the time, and we just can't always perceive them.
		And they're there for not because they're spying on you.
		It's probably because you know them, you've just forgotten all about them.
		And they're trying to help you in every way, shape, every way, and form they can to transition and really deal with life.
		So in a way, you really don't want them to go away.
		If you acknowledge, if you really understood the system, then you would be glad they were there.
unidentified		And matter of fact, you'd almost feel blessed that you can see them.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So it's a good thing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You don't want them to go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, you are really the eternal optimist.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with the eternal optimist.
		Albert Taylor.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is John from Rochester, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I had a shadow person experience when I was younger.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I was like to relate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I had a loft bed and I was sleeping in the loft bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was the middle of the night.
unidentified		I woke up.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And all this stuff is like a waking dream.
unidentified		Because I was awake.
		So I looked over the side of the bed and there was a lot of moonlight coming in the window.
		And there was crucifixes, shadows all over the floor, all over the floor.
		And I had a little plaque.
		It was like a piece of wood with the Last Supper imprinted on it.
		And there was a black hand scratching at the feet of Jesus.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that's my story.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Were you coming out of sleep?
unidentified		I was awake because it scared me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I jumped over the side of the bed and I hit the wall switch.
unidentified		And did that symbolize anything particular thing for you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Not really.
		I mean, you just didn't understand it?
		Didn't understand it.
		I just scared me.
		I jumped over the side of the bed and hit the wall switch and turned on the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My kind of guy.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of inconclusive.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I really wouldn't know what to make of that.
unidentified		Oh, just a story I just wanted to relate because everybody, you know.
unidentified		And just because you just started talking about these shadow people and it just reminded me of it, and that was all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sound, Doc, too.
unidentified		I appreciate your call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Dr. Taylor.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Just an observation and a question.
		He's brought up Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute.
		Major Ed Danes ascribes to there, and also Swan Daines followed.
		Danes was the, was the monitor, trainer, and protege and mentor, I might add, of Courtney Brown, I'm sure, who got us into a lot of real car baby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you going with this?
unidentified		Well, all I'm saying is I think that we can be very easily misled and deceived.
		I mean, Father Malachi Martin indicated that there were a multitude of evil spirits that were cast down here.
		And I think we have to be very careful because there no doubt are good spirits also that our Creator has provided.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do think of Traylor as more of an optimist than I would be.
unidentified		Well, I'm not saying that you cannot have enlightenment.
		I mean, there's several you cannot daydream.
		I mean, you know, I was talking about driving, and anybody knows about, you know, mesmerized by a prop, traveling in a light plane and staring through it, I mean, having that light gated, you know, But because of this thing with Courtney, Dr. Courtney Brown, I might add, we have to be very careful because in talking about mature Eastern religions, I mean, that's looking to the matrix replacing Christ.
		And I think we have to be very careful about this sort of thing.
		And if Father Martin were here, I'm sure he would caution us likewise, that when we ask to be exposed necessarily to spiritual beings, we might be courting those that are not good.
		And I wonder if your guest could comment on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he will, but it'll all be positive, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Albert.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to take the scientific approach to this.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If I had, because I wasn't looking for spirituality, I wasn't looking for self-awareness or God or any of those things, I was trying to find out what was wrong with me.
		And in my book, it is just simply a journal, be it positive or negative.
		I was just documenting the experiences.
		And if I had run into anything negative or demons or anything like that, definitely be in those pages.
		But because it's not and here all this time later, I still have nothing to report on that, then there's nothing for me to really address unless something happens.
		If something happens tomorrow, I will definitely report on it and let you know.
		But so far, so good.
		Everything in years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you just relating your honest?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've never had a negative experience.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No experience.
		I've never had any experience with demons or anything like that.
		And I don't know anybody who has been really able to travel at a high percentage of the time who has either.
		So I would report it if I had the information or had personal experiences, but I don't.
		Yep.
		It would be in Soul Traveler, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might not be in Soul Traveler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wrote that now some time ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would think if I had as many experiences as I had, period, in that book, I would have at least one or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And even in this new book, I don't have any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Albert, a good friend of mine, John Lear, son of Bill Lear, once told me what a very close friend confided in him.
		And it's bothered me ever since.
		And now it can bother you a little bit.
		In the spirit of the last caller.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		He thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he said, when you die, don't go to the light.
		It's a trick.
		Go to the darkness.
		The light is a trick.
		If you go to the light, you're going to eternal hell.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's where the flames are, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		So you think about that for a while and mull it over and let it burden you for all your life as it has me since you told me that.
		Go to the light.
		Go to the darkness.
unidentified		It's a trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert, Albert Taylor.
		Dr. Albert Taylor, the soul traveler is here.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast A.S. With Dr. Albert Taylor.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if I could mention, I have some new, not only autographed copies of my book available, but I have audio and videotapes now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should have said that a long time ago.
unidentified		I know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I just thought about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I didn't want to.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The most important thing is the spiritual information, you know, the products and all that comes second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so what kind of videotapes do you have?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have a videotape of lecturing on discovering the soul through out-of-body experiences and audio tape also on that.
		And they can all be ordered or they can ask for them at, I have a number at 877-728-2736.
		It's the Light Workers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, again, again.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		877-728-2736.
		And you can get an autograph book and videotape, and it's a new audio tape.
		The audio tape and videotape are only a month old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're really current.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should have said that a long time ago.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what got into me, aren't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		877-728-2736.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Autograph book, tapes, video, and audiobook.
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And it's all on my website also.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, excellent.
		First time caller align, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		I have like three quick things here.
		The first question I have is: when you are in this projection, can you project to a different time as opposed to like the future or the past?
		Or are you always in the present?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have done that, but I don't do that anymore.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		But yes, it is possible, and I have done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Ma'am, hold on.
		Okay.
		What do you mean you don't do it anymore?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I shared with you a couple shows back, maybe even four or five shows back, we've done so many now, that I saw some things in the future regarding the disintegration of my private life, my family life, and a bunch of other things.
		And it really devastated me and has, and I did my best to try to stop these things from manifesting.
		I mean, I really did, and they still did.
		And it was very devastating.
		It was dramatic for me back in 1996.
		And that's why I only give a couple warnings on this.
		One of them is that you can dabble with time travel if you want, but be advised that if you do travel into the future, you may not see what's happening around the world like Daniel Brinkley did with Chernobyl.
		You may see what's happening, a meltdown in your own particular path.
		And you can add, because a lot of things must happen.
		I mean, we have free will.
		We can change some things.
		But some things must transpire, and you may have to live with it and just deal with it until it's over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Journey to the center of the mind, you might not come back.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of things that happen, and it's your life.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So you have to deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, what a totally interesting answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am?
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, that was kind of where I was, one of the questions I had.
		Then another thing was I had an experience one time, kind of the waking dream quote, so to speak, where I was aware of a little girl that came to my bedside.
		In other words, I didn't leave my body, but I was aware of a visit to my body from someone else that was, it was just different.
		I mean, the next morning, I couldn't shake it kind of thing.
		And later, my mother had a visit from a little girl where she claims to have been totally awake, turned over just in time to kind of see her dematerialize.
		And when she called, she's not the kind of person that has little crazy stuff happen either.
		I mean, this was kind of real weird.
		And told me about what had happened, kind of in a serious tone.
		And I said, oh, my God, my little girl's come to visit you.
		And it was just really kind of freaky.
		Well, later, a little girl came into my life.
		In fact, I cut her umbilical cord.
		That I've often wondered, was that her pretty voter she now?
		About a year old.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		How old was the girl that visited you?
unidentified		Several years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe two, three old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I've heard of that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I shared with you some time ago, Art, that we pick our parents, and sometimes we, during that process, we do come to our prospective parents, and they do have visions of us.
		And in some cases, I've had letters where people have written and said that the little boy that visited them years before, actually, they later had a boy, and he grew up to look exactly like the child that they saw in the vision.
		So this is quite common and happens quite a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
unidentified		That's amazing.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Guardline, you're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, good morning, Albert.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
		I have two real quick questions.
		The first one is, you know, we see people in comas, and especially Alzheimer patients, I like to stick on this a little bit more.
		In their latter stages, obviously they get more and more dementia sets in, but they start to almost go into a semi-comital state.
		When you're astral traveling, do you meet these people?
		Because we here on this plane look at it, and we kind of wonder, what's the point of all this?
		If these people, their body functions, the minds are gone.
		Do you see anything of those people traveling up there?
		And what would be the purpose of all that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can say this.
		If I did have an encounter with someone who had a body that was failing or suffering from Alzheimer's or something like that, the physical abnormalities wouldn't transcend to their astral body, so they wouldn't suffer from Alzheimer's or be handicapped in that sense.
		So I may have and may not have, but you wouldn't be able to tell by the astral form.
unidentified		I thought maybe they were working some sort of thing out up there or something.
		Because it's just very confusing to us here below.
		You see them and you just...
		Absolutely, yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, sometimes, now think about this, and I'm not saying this is absolute, but just think about the impact that that person is having on you.
		Sometimes a person, a soul, can sacrifice their own well-being, if you look at it that way, to help influence the spiritual evolution of another.
		And that's an admirable thing to do.
unidentified		You're right.
		That has changed many, many families.
		They've really come.
		And my second question is, Arg mentioned negative experiences.
		You said you didn't have any in your file, but you kind of alluded to maybe some that was unpleasant or some that you wouldn't say are the greatest.
		Could you give us any examples of what might be considered not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he just gave you one with time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yes, do you have any others?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have run into, I've created astral forms or thought forms that have hit me.
		I mean, when it hit me, I thought I was going to feel pain, and I actually did.
		One struck me across the mouth, and it really hurt.
		That was a negative experience, but I created it.
		I found that out later because I don't have those anymore.
		So, yes, there are some people, even astral travelers, even ghosts and spirits that can play games with you.
		They can't harm you, but they can scare you if you allow them to.
		So, that can be a negative experience also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If one spirit, though, Could help you, why couldn't a spirit hurt you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, hurt only in the sense if you believe it, because what happens is that you're not on uneven ground with them.
		You're very much on even ground with them.
		And that fact, you maybe have a little intuitive over them.
		But if you don't know that, then you tend to maybe bend and then they can take advantage of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they might have luggage with stickers from all over the cosmos on it, while you're just out there fresh and new, and you could get suckered in.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the one thing you can always do, if the situation turns out to be more than you can handle, you can always pull the ejection seat and go right back to the body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, Dr. Taylor, I purchased your book about a year ago, Soul Traveler, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
		And I am a second initiate in Ekunkar.
		So I enjoyed your references to going to the Los Angeles seminar some time ago and making the reference that the people in Ekunkar did not say they had a soul, but said they were soul.
		I find difficulty as to why that's so hard to understand.
		It's just a simple measure of believing that you're a soul that inhabits a body instead of a body that has a soul, like to go into the store and get a piece of lawn furniture or something.
		It's the viewpoint.
		But what I wanted to mention, excuse me, was in reference to people who are worried about demons, you mentioned earlier about thought forms, whenever you transcend to a higher state of consciousness.
		For instance, going from the physical to the astral to the mental, the causal, the etheric, each one just a more refined state of vibrations.
		So thus, the thought forms manifest more easily.
		So I use the analogy.
		When you're a kid and you see you're worried about the boogeyman in your dreams, then when you wake up, when you grow older and you're an adult, you find out that the evil that exists is in the minds of men.
		Use the pronoun consolidation.
		In other words, the analogy is that the evil comes from the thought forms that the demon self-made.
		I totally agree with you.
		I find it difficult to believe that if we are transcending to a higher state of consciousness, that we have to worry about demons and evil if we're not thinking about to begin with.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I totally agree.
		I think you only experience what you take into it.
		And now that I don't take those things into the experience, I don't have any demons in my life.
unidentified		Yeah, and one of the things you would have to earn, how I learned soul travel, because you made reference to that in your book.
		And there was one Earl Wilson's book as to when he did go out of his body, and he ended up in some room of what he thought was the astral plane, and he was talking with some individuals who asked him if he was alive or dead.
		He thought that was kind of strange, and he told him alive, and they commended him for his ability to have a physical body on the physical plane, but B, where people who had deceased had already gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a much higher plane, right, Albert?
unidentified		Right, yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And Robert Monroe also achieved that level where he was challenged, and they said, what are you doing here?
		You know, at a level where normally we only go after the body has failed and died.
		So, yes, that we can, I think we're only limited by our own ability to evolve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert Monroe actually told me that story before he passed away.
		I agree with him.
		He told me that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So we're only limited by our own limitations we set for ourselves.
		We can't evolve to achieve incredible heights and experiences.
		And I agreed with everything he had to say.
		Not as if he was disputing anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he really wasn't.
		Wasn't Rockings.
		You're on the air with Dr. Albert Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Dr. Taylor?
		Yes, yes, sir.
		It's good to be on the show.
		I listen all the time.
		This is Harlan out in Grand Junction, Colorado.
		Hi, Harlan.
		A couple questions, a few comments and a question.
		You say that it's more than just like a little day trip through your imagination.
		It's an actual travel, spiritual travel.
		Okay, and you say you're not able to bring any evil will or hatred or bitterness with you.
		It kind of stays you.
		It dams your travel.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, you can take it with you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's just going to limit you.
unidentified		Okay, it's going to limit you.
unidentified		But you can't really, you were saying you can't really do evil or harmful things to other people when you're on this astro trip.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't been able to, I mean, I don't know what you possibly could do.
		The closest evil or anything you could do to anybody would be what Robert Monroe did by pinching someone.
		Other than that, I haven't been able to affect non-physical ma, I mean non-organic matter, let alone influence somebody else at that point.
unidentified		Right.
		What I'm getting at is that having listened to Art Bell's show before, there are evil spirits out there, according to his show.
		And if you're out there on the same playing field as them, don't you think you're kind of leaving yourself without protection at kind of a vulnerable position to sort of play astro chess with someone who may not be out there?
		I mean, aren't you leaving yourself in a kind of a dangerous position?
		And you talked about somebody punching you in the face, an image that you created, but what do you know about the possibilities of dangerous activities going on with a spiritual body that's not so kind?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have no information on evil entities.
		I mean, if there was, I would report it, but I don't.
		And I still, I travel at least once a week.
		I've been doing it since I was five, for 40 years.
		And I don't have these experiences.
unidentified		They exist.
		I always said earlier Art even said something to the effect of it sounds like only like Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and missionaries are able to do this kind of travel.
		Maybe it's because you look at yourself as a more spiritual, Less evil person and someone who's less experienced who reads your book and decides they're going to try some of these things, perhaps they're not as pure as you believe you are, and they could be in a lot of trouble with someone out there that's not so friendly.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, one misnomer is that, first of all, that only a few people can do this.
		First of all, that's wrong, I mean, it's incorrect because 100% of us can do this, but only about 25 to 30 percent of us remember it.
		So each one of us are doing it almost every night on a nightly basis or having out-of-body experiences, but a lot of us are in the dream state and don't remember ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if those are the ones that turn up as shadow people.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's very possible, like a sleepwalking type of person.
		It's very possible.
		Sometimes they project to certain areas.
		Maybe they were worried about a test they were going to take a few days later and project it to that classroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know why that might make sense?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because the shadow people, many times, when they know they're seen, are very surprised and poof, disappear as in back to body.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It very well could be.
		Regarding the evil things that the guy said, like I said, I'm neutral about that.
		If it exists, I want to know about it too, because I don't want to go into that neighborhood.
		So if I find some area that I think you shouldn't go, I'm going to caution you because my whole thing here is exploration.
		And so far, it's been mostly like 95% positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tell you, call her, what the hell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it up to be hit by a viewer.
unidentified		Also, how did you become a doctor?
		Where did you study at to become Dr. Taylor?
		Trinity University in Dublin, Ireland.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carton, thank you very much for the call and take care.
		First time calling online, you're on the air with Dr. Taylor.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, are you there?
		Yes.
		Yes.
		Yay, hey.
		I was wondering if, during this traveling, Dr. Taylor, if you're limited to the Earth?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		Not at all.
unidentified		You're not limited to the physical plane, period.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can go anywhere further.
unidentified		You've got to go up to the landing site on the moons.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can go anywhere.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If you can focus your thoughts, you can go there.
unidentified		Have you been up there?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I have been past the moon.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I wrote it in my book.
unidentified		I mean, have you seen these actual Apollo landing sites?
unidentified		Did you find that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, I've seen that video now.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think it's on my list of things to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, actually, I'm told you don't really consider that sort of specific thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That if you made it to the moon, you'd probably have other things on your mind.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you probably wouldn't think about that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It takes a lot to focus on the same things that the personality, earth-bound personality self defines important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take it a lot.
unidentified		A few years ago, an old friend of mine, she said her aunt did drummings and that into this field.
		and that they would all meet down in the center of the earth.
		I don't know where that would be, if that would be...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		center of the earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe it's like a meeting place or is that what these I never did it.
unidentified		She invited me to come do it.
unidentified		I was kind of chicken to even think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't pick that out as my first travel destination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, according to Greek mythology, that's the realm of the Lord hating, so I don't know.
unidentified		I lost contact with her, so I'm kind of wondering if that's who my cats see when I'm sitting there having a few eyeballs at night, and I look up and she's looking at something.
unidentified		It kind of spooks you out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does, doesn't it?
		All right, Colin, thank you very much.
		Albert, we're woefully short on time now, so let's see.
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		You can get videotapes, and you can get audio tapes, all at that number.
		Or obviously, you can go to your website and order through there.
		You can go to home, probably get it there.
		We've got a link, I think, to Amazon from our website.
		Yes, so just go to my website, tonight's guest info, and Albert Taylor, and then over you go, and you get it.
		And before you know it, you'll be flying.
		Albert, as always, what a blast.
		It's been great, Art.
		It has been great.
		Albert, thank you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		All right, tomorrow night, warning, warning, warning, warning.
		Major Ed Dames is going to be here, and he has said to me personally that it's going to be grim.
		Not unusual for Major Ed Dames, but I'm giving you a full 24 hours warning.
		Take the radio away from the kids if they're up at this hour.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.

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