Dec. 16, 1999 - Art Bell
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| Okay, prepare yourself. | ||
| That's all I can say for what's coming. | ||
| Robert Ghostwolf is an accomplished artist and author. | ||
| He enjoys a unique passion for life, possessing many gifts which have earned recognition with indigenous tribes in both North and South America as a spiritual healer and ceremonial leader. | ||
| He has many archaeological discoveries to his credit, including a Sphinx in Colorado, the rescue of the now famous Miami Circle with Richard C. Ogland, where they brought the eyes of the world to what is now being called the American Stonehenge. | ||
| Currently, Robert is in the middle of uncovering an incredible find in the U.S., the central U.S., which by all indications could be an American hall of records, showing amazing evidence of many civilizations that were here before the current Native American tribes, which all of this might change recorded history as we have been told. | ||
| I don't suppose they didn't tell us the whole story, do you? | ||
| Much of the evidence indicates that they have discovered a library of the lost tribes. | ||
| Robert says, quote, this find is going to change everything we thought we knew, end quote. | ||
| And I could tell you much more about Robert, and I will. | ||
| He's got a lot of publications to his credit, Winds of Change, Last Pry, which continue to sell like crazy. | ||
| I'm sure as the evening progresses, we will tell you how to get some of these publications. | ||
| Daniel Brinkley, huh? | ||
| Well, I shouldn't have to introduce Dan at all. | ||
| Dan died. | ||
| He was struck by lightning. | ||
| All the hair burned from his body. | ||
| His body was on fire. | ||
| His vital signs ceased. | ||
| And Daniel Brinkley's story has been told in book, in the movies. | ||
| And you ought to know who Daniel Brinkley is. | ||
| And I guess the big question is why the two of these gentlemen are here tonight together. | ||
| I'm going to let them unfold the story. | ||
| One thing I will tell you first, though, is we have some of the most incredible photographs you have ever seen in your whole life. | ||
| They're going to blow your mind. | ||
| They're on my website right now. | ||
| They're also on the wolfrodge.net website. | ||
| We'll tell you how to get there. | ||
| But you should begin going to the net now to see these photographs. | ||
| Photographs that may change the world as we know it now. | ||
| Is that an understatement? | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| Robert, are you there? | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Great to have you back on the program. | ||
| And Daniel Brinkley. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| Hi, Dan. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
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Wonderful. | |
| Well, I heard you were sick as a dog. | ||
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Well, don't tell everybody that. | |
| These are one of those nights when you truly thankful, Art. | ||
| Well, that's true. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You are moderately okay, though, just down with the... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Almost everybody I know is sick right now. | ||
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But you know what? | |
| You always are right. | ||
| You told me not to go. | ||
| You told me not to do it. | ||
| Told me to take easy. | ||
| I was going to get sick again. | ||
| I told you that. | ||
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I hate it when you tell me that kind of stuff. | |
| And you got something. | ||
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I hate it when you're right. | |
| Well, I've given up on trying to change you, Dan. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Well, well, you're unchangeable. | ||
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Same thing they say about you, Art. | |
| I know. | ||
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I bet you this. | |
| There's a bunch of unchanging going to happen to both of us with this stuff Robert's doing. | ||
| All right, let's get down to it. | ||
| My God, Robert, what have you found? | ||
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Art, let me first say how I got into this. | |
| Good. | ||
| You know, I'm going back and forth to Egypt and always looking at these kinds of things and Casey, because after you have two, three near-death experiences, you know you don't die, so you just wonder about everything else. | ||
| Ronnie Mound, compassionate actionist, Boca, working her tail off in VAs, she came and she said, do you know Robert? | ||
| I said, sure. | ||
| See, he was talking casual friends. | ||
| And she said, you know, he's going through a lot of stuff in his life. | ||
| And she said, would you talk to him? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And as I talked to him, you know, everybody goes through those kinds of things. | ||
| Good times and bad times. | ||
| And as I talked to him, I was watching him. | ||
| And what he was doing with this dick is amazing. | ||
| So as I said, I said, listen, if it is this and it's this possibility, there are ways to check this thing out. | ||
| And so through CIA Compassion Action and what his wife does and helps in the CAs, and she said, I really trust all this stuff. | ||
| So I heard everything on the internet. | ||
| And then I called him and I talked to him and I spent a little time with him. | ||
| And then he trusted me enough to show me two things. | ||
| And it was just little artifacts and details about a place. | ||
| And I felt it move through me. | ||
| And I didn't know what it was at that point. | ||
| So I started talking to him and, you know, spending time with him. | ||
| And that's how I came into this. | ||
| Well, I've got photographs in front of me that are on the website. | ||
| I guess mine and on Robert's. | ||
| We're going to try to get as many people to see it as we can. | ||
| And what I'm looking at, if you're telling me this came from the United States, it's impossible. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| These artifacts, and I'm just a layman, but, you know, I've been to Egypt, as you all know, Dan. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And what I'm seeing in front of me, that one Egyptian picture is what got me hurt. | ||
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Yo, I hear that stuff all the time. | |
| this can't be. | ||
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And I saw that Egyptian because of what I know about Egypt. | |
| And I know which dynasty it came from. | ||
| It's Greek. | ||
| It's when the Greek occupations and the when it was the Ptolemaic occupation. | ||
| So I took a look at it and I took the copy to Zahi. | ||
| Zahi was. | ||
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Yes, and asked him. | |
| Our mutual friend. | ||
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And I said, look, Zahi, look at this and tell me when and what period it would come from. | |
| And as he was telling me where and the designs and when that period would be, if we had a small piece of this stone and Zahi overlooking the research of it, then we would know exactly when and where it came from. | ||
| I'm surprised Zahi didn't do his usual, you know, it's illegal to take things like this out of Egypt speech. | ||
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That was how I hooked him. | |
| Somebody stole it 3,000 years ago. | ||
| Mayrab was in trouble. | ||
| They're looking me for that. | ||
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Oh, yeah, they put it on. | |
| It'll be on the website. | ||
| You know what, Art? | ||
| I was just, you know how I am about Egypt. | ||
| I saw Zahate, because I was pushing around. | ||
| I saw Zahe fight in the Congress to put the capstone on. | ||
| I saw a fight to put it on. | ||
| And there's some big news coming here. | ||
| Are you going to get it? | ||
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Ben's guaranteed they will not put the capstone. | |
| You're telling us now the plan to put the gold capstone on, midnight, December 31st, Egyptian time is now not going to happen. | ||
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Not going to happen. | |
| You know this for sure? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| They haven't even announced it to set a word. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| What stopped it? | ||
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You know, here's the coolest part, Art. | |
| Zahi fought to get it put on. | ||
| They found it, you know, the original. | ||
| I know he bragged to me that he was going to put it on when I was there. | ||
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Everybody fought it. | |
| Congress... | ||
| So... | ||
| I mean, why? | ||
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It wasn't Zahi first, Art. | |
| I've got you, but what is the opposition? | ||
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Zahi was fighting to get it put on. | |
| I know. | ||
| What is the opposition saying? | ||
| Why are they not doing it? | ||
| Why will they not do it? | ||
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Because they think a helicopter or a terrorist might shoot it in the helicopter fall. | |
| Or the two helicopters. | ||
| And they don't think it would be right because too many pyramid allies, new age, all those typical ways of stopping it from happening. | ||
| And I mean, it was a battle that he stood and fought. | ||
| And lost, and it's not going to happen. | ||
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It means it wasn't. | |
| It's not they. | ||
| Whoever's controlling that stuff. | ||
| Isn't that wonderful? | ||
| You're saying, isn't it wonderful? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| That they're not going to do it? | ||
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Well, not wonderful about that part, Art, but that there is truly something happening. | |
| Can I put that capstone on? | ||
| Somebody knows something or is afraid of something. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with you. | ||
| Somebody either knows that this will activate what a lot of people believe to be some kind of machine and something will begin to happen. | ||
| Or maybe it's not so wonderful, Dan. | ||
| Maybe with the state of the world right now, that capstone is supposed to be replaced. | ||
| And if it isn't, sentence trails off. | ||
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I think that's why we're having this radio show tonight, isn't it? | |
| You know? | ||
| And that is cool. | ||
| You know, I saw this stuff now. | ||
| What's he? | ||
| That's okay, Zay. | ||
| We're going to help you find a person who stole this stuff. | ||
| Oh, you're kidding. | ||
| And we're going to return. | ||
| We're talking about photographs of an archaeological dig that Robert is about to tell us about, Robert Goeswolf. | ||
| These are very, very high-res good photographs of things that there's no way in hell or North America that I can see these things could have come up out of our ground. | ||
| So, Robert, what the hell have you found? | ||
| How much are you willing to tell us other than, I mean, you've got these incredible photographs, including the one Dan's talking about that I want to ask you about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so here they are. | ||
| What have you found? | ||
| How'd you find it? | ||
| Well, the story goes back a long time. | ||
| It's been something that I've been passionately involved in for years. | ||
| Secretly, apparently. | ||
| And I was involved with it with a mutual acquaintance of ours, a fellow named Speaking Went. | ||
| You recall him? | ||
| The late Speaking Went. | ||
| The late Speaking Wind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we were working on some projects together based upon the understanding through some ancient manuscripts and documents. | ||
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And he showed me some of those art. | |
| You've seen them, Dad. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| That the world might not be the way we were told it was. | ||
| And the story goes on. | ||
| My particular question was always trying to find the truth behind a particular fable. | ||
| And that fable had to do with the pale prophet. | ||
| The pale prophet. | ||
| The pale prophet. | ||
| Good he does, Barbara. | ||
| Known by various names. | ||
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I just watched him. | |
| In here, he's known as here, meaning in North America, he's been known by the names of Yezus, Waycoma Tete. | ||
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Here's a native tradition, a native nation person? | |
| Yes. | ||
| In South America, he was known as Cuachiquato. | ||
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Okay, got it. | |
| And his prophecy was that things are not as we thought them to be, or he explained in these papers. | ||
| He was known throughout each of these cultures by a different name with each culture, but the teaching... | ||
| When conquistadors came over and they were telling everybody here about their religion and their beliefs, everybody welcomed them because it was the story of a person who they knew. | ||
| Yes? | ||
| And the artifacts that have remained after that period of time, the same thing that Patrick and I were working on together was that we were given information as to at the time of this being's disappearance or departure from here, where he promised to return at a certain time and a certain date. | ||
| That the prophecies that go along with that have to do everything with the Mayan calendar, with the telling of time, with the recording of events that happened here that are parallel to the Bible. | ||
| Totally parallel to the Bible. | ||
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That might be good or bad sometimes. | |
| It might be good or bad. | ||
| It might be good or bad. | ||
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What happens when a bunch of Christians get together? | |
| And what we did kill people, you know, to take over countries and stuff like that. | ||
| Well, so do other religions. | ||
| It's not just Christians. | ||
| All the religions kill each other, and generally in the name of their specific God. | ||
| Reminds me of a John Lennon song. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What we were looking for was specific sites. | ||
| There were 12 sites when he left. | ||
| All of this was suggested in the manuscripts. | ||
| In the manuscripts, huh? | ||
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Can I add one point in this, Robert? | |
| Go ahead. | ||
| For me, Art. | ||
| Thomas got here in 1492. | ||
| And having this piece of this artifact, and the others from Egypt, and it had to be in the ground before 1492, and I can prove that. | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| But that can't be, so that means Dan... | ||
| It means we were lied to. | ||
| Or I guess maybe not intentionally lied to. | ||
| Maybe the lie occurred a long time ago, and it's just been perpetuated by the educational system. | ||
| But I'm with you, 1492. | ||
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And so for me, when I watched it, and it's transforming this man. | |
| And when I watched it, I said, well, let me see. | ||
| Then I just looked at it. | ||
| I was going to Egypt, and a lot of those things I don't know anything about, but the Egyptians, I know. | ||
| And if I can find out where it came from, what age it is, and what dynasty, knowing it's from the time Greeks occupied, and I can prove that it got there before 1492, geologically, that is the wildest stuff in the world. | ||
| I hear you, man. | ||
| All right, everybody, hold on. | ||
| And I recommend if you want to know, if you really want to know what we're talking about here, go to my website or the Wolfalodge.net website. | ||
| All right, for those of you trying to get to the photographs, even our website, which has tremendous amount of bandwidth, is being completely bogged down right now with people trying to see the photographs, so they're loading slowly. | ||
| Bear with us. | ||
| You can see them on one of two websites, mine or thegostwolflodge.net. | ||
| Is that right, Robert? | ||
| WolfLodge.org, O-R-G. | ||
| O-R-G. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| Both, even my site, I noticed, is bogging down right now. | ||
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But they can always go to Danien.com and put them in action if they're bored. | |
| I see. | ||
| Okay, you don't have the photographs. | ||
| He's got nice pictures of himself up there. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, I got them all around, so this put me up for a moment. | |
| Come on. | ||
| You know what I think about it? | ||
| Zahi has no idea where it came from. | ||
| He must have totally freaked out. | ||
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No, I didn't even tell him. | |
| I know. | ||
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You told him that it came out of a dig? | |
| No, I know. | ||
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I said, look, there's a whole collection of this stuff that someone has that I can identify it and see where it came from in what period. | |
| I'll help you arrest him. | ||
| Oh, you'll help arrest him? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whoever this dastardly person is. | ||
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Yeah, it's probably been dead 400 years. | |
| So, Zahi, who is a brilliant man, looked at all these and said, what? | ||
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He says, I can tell you which period it is, and he could read the hieroglyphics on it. | |
| He could read the hieroglyphics? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And he said, if I had a sample of it, I could date it and see where it came from, in what region, what period of time. | ||
| And usually they would know when it was excavated or when, you know, discovered or been looted or whatever. | ||
| And he would tell me. | ||
| So, you know, like, we have one of two things here. | ||
| We either have the biggest hoax ever perpetrated anywhere. | ||
| I mean, it's like salting a mine with diamonds or something. | ||
| Or we've got something that is going to blow open archaeology and the history of the world as we thought we knew it. | ||
| We have one of these two, right? | ||
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That's what Tanny's made all those trips on archaeology. | |
| You told it one at a time, Robert? | ||
| I said that's why Tanny's made all his trips to Egypt. | ||
| In order to verify. | ||
| Well, to bring back all these things in small parcels. | ||
| Yeah, but what if, Robert, it's got to be asked, obviously. | ||
| What if somebody went to Egypt, stole some of these things, and brought them here and buried them like diamonds salted in a mine to be found? | ||
| If Egypt is what we were talking about, then I would say, okay, that would be interesting. | ||
| But the other strange thing about that situation would be that whoever did that would have had to do that, done that a long time ago. | ||
| A very long time ago. | ||
| This wasn't just done. | ||
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And if I can prove, and it had to be before 1492, and if it's right, you know, or as I begin to truly look at it, knowing the Egyptian parts, knowing it. | |
| And at the same time, in the end of the year, and the capstone's not going on, then the point that is revealed in this storage place or this sacred place was to tell us, to show it to us that that capstone must be on and they know something. | ||
| And I look at Case and all the predictions. | ||
| And then I can prove, because of my nature and knowledge Of Egypt, first that point, and there's a bunch of objects that can prove that point, then how geologically old this place is. | ||
| And then look when it begins to steady go through each of those things. | ||
| These are impossible. | ||
| Even some of the ones, even some of the other photographs, and I'm only a layman, but some of the other photographs, number 21 I'm looking at, for example, no way. | ||
| You know, some people might say, all right, well, this is Native American. | ||
| Obviously, it's not. | ||
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I mean, I know a bunch of what those pictures are and their time periods because I love to study that kind of stuff. | |
| But what's really fun is I watch this discovery, look at all that stuff, watch Robert change. | ||
| Then all of a sudden, when you look all your life for something, and maybe in a little cynical way, you all of a sudden begin to find there is a basic truth to the native traditions and what they believed and knew over here. | ||
| What I love about it the most part is this discovery is in the United States. | ||
| All these things are here. | ||
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They can be tested at the universities, controlled and looked at, done step by step, not sensationalized, verified, and reported step by step to you. | |
| Mark Bell, this is the report on it. | ||
| May I ask, Robert, when you began to dig for this, actually physically putting a shovel in the ground and beginning to dig and finding these artifacts? | ||
| When? | ||
| The late spring. | ||
| The late spring of this year's year, 99. | ||
| This particular year. | ||
| When you began finding these things, Robert, what did you, you must have done a backflip. | ||
| I mean, you must have said, what in the hell? | ||
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Or drink a lot of liquor. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Man, I thought about it. | |
| It was me, Art. | ||
| It was like Daniel said, he came over to see me. | ||
| I was working with a mutual friend, Ronnie Mellon, who is with compassion and action here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Ronnie said, Daniel's got to see these things because what I was finding as I was laying these things out, which also included some pieces from the Yucatan, was that we were getting a whole prophecy, a whole story laid out here. | ||
| And the location of this site and the pieces that we found simply affirmed the prophecies. | ||
| And the prophecies were talking specifically about this time, things that were going to happen in this period of time, this next 30, 40 years that we're going through. | ||
| And they related to not only things that happened back in history, but they related to the calendars and that these things would happen again. | ||
| And what we're trying to represent here just with the pictures, which is just a small, small portion of what we're sifting through now. | ||
| How many artifacts in total have you come up with so far from this dig? | ||
| We have a couple of hundred artifacts. | ||
| A couple of hundred. | ||
| You cannot report to us where this is. | ||
| The closest you're going to say is Middle America? | ||
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Let's tell everybody it's in Perope under Art Bell's house. | |
| Oh, get away. | ||
| Middle America. | ||
| I'm in the southwest. | ||
| He says Middle America, right, Robert? | ||
| We're going to say it's Middle America. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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And it's there. | |
| Art. | ||
| There's people digging out here for enough stuff as it is. | ||
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Well, I mean, you know, what would they do if they went over there? | |
| These artifacts, folks, when you look at them, they would rob and desecrate it. | ||
| Yeah, they'd be robbed and desecrated, so we're not going to reveal the specific location until we get you down here with camera, all right? | ||
| These hieroglyphics, Dan, when you took them to Zahi and he read them, what did he say they came from? | ||
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Ptolemy period. | |
| Say what? | ||
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It came from the Ptolema period. | |
| It is, as they make their etchings. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Different from other time periods. | |
| Ptolemite. | ||
| Greek occupation. | ||
| Would have been about what year? | ||
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Probably 429 B.C. to about 200 AD. | |
| 429 B.C. to 200 A.D. This is just, it's not possible. | ||
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That's what I kept trying to tell myself. | |
| But can't wait to help our... | ||
| Cape can't wait to help Zahi catch this thief. | ||
| I didn't tell him where it came from. | ||
| You mean even at the very end you didn't tell him? | ||
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Never told him. | |
| He takes somebody else's collection of stuff that was stolen. | ||
| He knows that we dug it up before 1492. | ||
| We don't have a good time with Zahi or what? | ||
| Well, I wouldn't have too good a time, Dan. | ||
| You're going to end up at the bottom of a 50-foot pit somewhere below one of the pyramids. | ||
| He'd probably find his way out. | ||
| Yeah, pretty probably would. | ||
| Or he'd rise once again, as he's been known to do. | ||
| Yeah, he'd get terrible. | ||
| So, Robert, you've been holding this secret all this time since springtime? | ||
| We've been doing extensive research at the site and correlating the information, sending the information out so that we could get interpretations of what it was saying. | ||
| And that takes a tremendous amount of time. | ||
| It takes a long time to do the translations and the writings. | ||
| The writings are Greek, from what we can tell, Greek, from the period of between 500 to 200, 500 BC to 200 AD. | ||
| It's just, it can't be. | ||
| Which would move it during the dynasties of Cleopatra, you know, after Caesar. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Explain to me how this could be. | ||
| I mean, this clearly, the hieroglyphics are Egyptian. | ||
| They come from a period that we can identify. | ||
| But what you're saying is... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we called it ancient sightings. | ||
| And on the amulets was a carved figure of what I called Horus or Ra. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, they came from this site. | ||
| Oh, you didn't tell me that. | ||
| Oh, you didn't tell me that either until just now. | ||
| They were given to me by an old Indian man who said to me, take care of these because one day they'll show you where they came from. | ||
| There's the key. | ||
| And I said, they'll show me where they came from. | ||
| And I was in the middle of Indiana in the cornfields. | ||
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I wish you were there now. | |
| I hate to hear this kind of stuff on. | ||
| It makes so much sense. | ||
| And all of a sudden, after years, some people came over to me and said, hey, look, we found this. | ||
| We heard you on Mark's show. | ||
| You know what you're involved in? | ||
| We know about these things. | ||
| Take a look at these. | ||
| And I started to take a look at it, and I realized that it was a connection to everything that I had been working on. | ||
| It was like pieces of the jigsaw puzzle being brought back. | ||
| But the amazing thing here was when I looked at these things, and I first came up and said, well, where did they come from? | ||
| Did you get them from Greece? | ||
| Did you get them from Eden? | ||
| Where did they come from? | ||
| And they said, no, we got them from right here. | ||
| I've never seen such a collection of different writings, different cultures in one place. | ||
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You see. | |
| Here. | ||
| I've never seen that. | ||
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And they're from different periods of time. | |
| There's some stuff that is Greek, literally, you can look at it. | ||
| Then Etruscan. | ||
| Then there's Celtic stuff. | ||
| It has to be maybe 900 years old. | ||
| Looking at the lettering. | ||
| Someone gathered this from all over the world and put it in one place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the writings are in Celtic. | ||
| They're in Greek. | ||
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He grew in Coptic. | |
| And Coptic. | ||
| So you know, it has some religious context. | ||
| There's a lot of religious context. | ||
| Does this mean let me see if I can get this straight? | ||
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Are you saying that this is almost as good as a near-death experience? | |
| Yeah, it really is. | ||
| Either these things were indigenous to the area where you found them or they were brought from other parts of the world at a time when they could not have been. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| I can't work this out of my mind, guys. | ||
| They weren't just loose pieces laying around. | ||
| They were actually part of the structure. | ||
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They were built and put into a sacred temple as a part of what it would be to uncover it. | |
| The same way Casey described the hall of knowledge. | ||
| And he talks about those halls of knowledge being found at this time. | ||
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What I like about Robert, or no matter what people are always saying, Native tradition gave it to him because he learned the right to protect it. | |
| He came to me. | ||
| He didn't go pushing it off to everybody to make a movie or make himself great and wonderful. | ||
| He kept it sacred. | ||
| He came to me. | ||
| I looked and I keep it quiet. | ||
| I'm going to help. | ||
| Try to verify it from my way. | ||
| I went to Egypt. | ||
| I came back and learned about putting the capstone on. | ||
| And he's never done anything to try to glorify himself. | ||
| That's it, almost broke. | ||
| He's protecting the sacred site. | ||
| This is not a sacred indigenous American native site, is it? | ||
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Well, go ahead. | |
| Or is it? | ||
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The robert, I don't know. | |
| No. | ||
| This is not. | ||
| This is much older. | ||
| This is the stories of the native people when we understand what's been being said for 500 years and we move into something that I and a few other people refer to as the Red Heart Path. | ||
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The way for humans to learn the native traditional nature between the elements and commune with nature. | |
| And they're always talking about their ancestors. | ||
| That they will come back. | ||
| Our ancestors coming back. | ||
| The ones will come back. | ||
| Our ancestors will come back. | ||
| In this particular time. | ||
| The old ones. | ||
| The old ones will come back. | ||
| And in this particular time, you go to Yucatan, you go to Belize, you go to Peru, you go up to Colorado, you go to places even in Montana, you go, well, who did these? | ||
| And they always refer to them as the old ones. | ||
| And it's an incredible knowledge, incredible science, incredible mathematics involved in all of these things. | ||
| And they all had to do with calculations. | ||
| This is something that Richard and I fought so hard for to try to explain what we could find out from that Miami circle. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Was that this is the way they built their computers back then. | ||
| This is how they calculated it. | ||
| And that brings us to the thing, the situation with the capstone. | ||
| When you're going and you're playing with a global computer, when you're working with something that's been built deliberately on certain ley lines and certain grid lines for a specific purpose, before you get the whole picture, and if we can create a scenario, | ||
| an opportunity, a window where we can go in and study these things with everything that we have now and as much as we complain about the world, we're more open to being able to do this now than it's ever, ever been able to be seen in the history of humanity. | ||
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It causes a lot for Art Bell. | |
| Well, I'm just here as a conduit to let you guys tell the story. | ||
| And this is some damn story. | ||
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Arnt, think about it from this way. | |
| Here's the capstone. | ||
| My inner nature of going through that stuff, I know the room's there. | ||
| And I can feel and sense things. | ||
| This is a machine. | ||
| But in the capstone, especially with the gold, what would it be the most important time in it if it was a machine? | ||
| You and I both know Zahi is one of the most stubborn individuals on the face of the globe, perhaps short of yourself. | ||
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Yeah, he's like me, he's a jackass. | |
| Yeah, and so you don't suppose he might go ahead and do it anyway, do you? | ||
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They wouldn't let Mubarak do it, Park. | |
| It was Mubarak's suggestion. | ||
| And they wouldn't let Mubarak do it. | ||
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I was seen the fight. | |
| Anxiety is one stubborn son. | ||
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He was trying, but watch. | |
| When would be the most appropriate time in the destiny of spirituality if this machine, built in perfect geometrical configuration, is sitting in the center of a magnetic gravity or magnetic field. | ||
| What makes you think at this point in time we don't need that machine? | ||
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Listen. | |
| I know we need it. | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| We're at the top of the hour. | ||
| Danian Brinkley is here. | ||
| Robert Ghostwolf is here. | ||
| And the pictures are beyond belief. | ||
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It's all right, it's coming. | |
| Oh, we gotta get it right. | ||
| It's really fun. | ||
| 557-4627. | ||
| Well, we need that little sound. | ||
| Where is that foul little sound? | ||
| Let me get it up here. | ||
| we go. | ||
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Oh, There it is. | |
| All right. | ||
| Now, you can see these photographs either at my website, www.artbell.com, or Wolf Lodge. | ||
| That's W-O-L-F-L-O-D-G-E dot org. | ||
| Wolflodge.org. | ||
| And I've plugged enough of my stuff. | ||
| Listen, I understand that you've got a couple of things you'd like to plug, and you've got a toll-free number for it, so you must have a couple of things you want to plug, Robert. | ||
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Can I plug mine first, Art? | |
| Yeah, sure. | ||
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Speaking of Christmas, this ad that you did, I'd like to ask everybody who listens, Dark Belt champions, to send a Christmas card to a veteran. | |
| Because, Art, I got up from the dead that last time because of the prayers of your people. | ||
| And you turning on and helping me. | ||
| And I live to see a chance at these three sites and what it is and where we sit this day that in a physical world, even the visions and the stuff that I've been through comes true. | ||
| So, for veterans, compassion and action, and taking that prayer system that they used to help me, which I know prayer works, and in divine grace, definition of those two words, please send a Christmas card to a veteran. | ||
| I mean, they deserve to know that. | ||
| That's my. | ||
| I think they knew prayer worked then, too. | ||
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Well, let's make that. | |
| Oh, yeah, there's no question about it. | ||
| The other thing is, I'd like to say this, that absolutely unequivocally there were existences and civilizations before this one. | ||
| I'll do this one. | ||
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And that capstone is a machine, and I know this. | |
| And why the capstone was supposed to put on at this particular point is because of the solar storms. | ||
| It would take that electromagnetic energy, diffuse it back into the world, and let it create a pure energy. | ||
| So as the shift comes, it would be easier or more balanced in harmony and control, the solar storms. | ||
| That's what it was about. | ||
| Somebody knows that. | ||
| That could easily be true. | ||
| I don't discount that thought at all. | ||
| And the sun has an effect on our weather, which has an effect on the shifts that occur. | ||
| It all works together. | ||
| Now, let me turn to Robert for a second. | ||
| Robert, what are your... | ||
| Two. | ||
| Two. | ||
| What are they? | ||
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One of them is called Through the Eye of the Shaman. | |
| Through the Eye of the Shaman. | ||
| Through the Eye of the Shaman. | ||
| I have a copy of it here, by the way. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| And that's now available. | ||
| And the new one that's coming, that's going out now is The Days of Destiny, which Days of Destiny, which tells about this site and all of these prophecies that have to do with this particular time and the importance of activating these ancient sites at this time, because they were here for a specific purpose. | ||
| And the purpose was to protect us against what may seem like an unbelievable science fiction cataclysmic period that we're headed into. | ||
| But as Daniel was just saying, if we can change the way we perceive, if we can somehow eliminate the separations and become together as a people without having to negotiate howard that thought, we can change the outcome of what's coming. | ||
| I mean, it's coming. | ||
| We've been through this with the Hopi. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You brought me the Hopi. | ||
| We talked to them. | ||
| They seem to have a somewhat different view. | ||
| They said you might change it a little, but it's underway, and you can't stop it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It cannot be stopped. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That said, listen, you don't do promos well. | ||
| There's a toll-free number for these new publications. | ||
| So let's skip that out. | ||
| The number is 1-800. | ||
| Oh, God, I love it. | ||
| 646. | ||
| 646-7770. | ||
| And they can order right now? | ||
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They can order right now. | |
| We have 14 people standing in line. | ||
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All right. | |
| 1-800-646-4 or 7770. | ||
| And then there's a fax line. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Which is 1-888-690-3970. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Actually, Through the Eyes of the Shaman is your third book. | ||
| And I guess the fourth, a manuscript, which is just beautiful Days of Destiny. | ||
| Both are now available. | ||
| And Days of Destiny, of course, is going to lay all of this out. | ||
| This secret you're just letting out. | ||
| I've got a fact here that I want to ask both of you about. | ||
| From Ohio, it's from Ed in Cincinnati, listening to KRC. | ||
| Dear Art, I was a student of the Casey Readings for about 20 years, and I distinctly remember a reading which stated that Atlantis existed as far west in the United States as the Mississippi River. | ||
| Are these remains from the Atlantean culture? | ||
| Intuitively, yes. | ||
| Yes? | ||
| Yes, intuitively, they are. | ||
| There's much more to this find than we have here. | ||
| But we're not ready to speak about it yet. | ||
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What I think about it, Art, I don't know. | |
| If I just had to go at this last day of 25,000 years ago, none of the artifacts that I have seen date back that far. | ||
| Well, if we were asking our friend in Egypt, he would say, of course not. | ||
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Yeah, just find that we're going to have to go find somebody that's been dead for a thousand years to lock them up for stealing that artifact. | |
| And he's going to prove that himself. | ||
| For me, Art, the sheer fact that this is a thousand years, and it is built as a temple site, these rooms, and it has these historical things gathered from everywhere, Etruscan, from Ireland, Celtic. | ||
| The Celtic one appears to be the most modern by looking at the textual way they design the letters and the language. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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But the Hebrew is ancient. | |
| And the hieroglyphics are ancient. | ||
| And then there is one piece that is it's Greek. | ||
| It's only Mesopotamian, and the inscripture in it is observed. | ||
| Unless you're willing to speculate about the Atlantean culture or a hoax, then you're lost. | ||
| I mean, there's no way to explain, there is no way to explain how these things could end up in Middle America. | ||
| Is there more to be yet excavated, Robert? | ||
| There's a lot more. | ||
| A lot more? | ||
| There's a lot more. | ||
| We just scratched the surface. | ||
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And if this one exists, the culture and the history, tradition, and myth says there are 12 of them. | |
| 12 sites? | ||
| 12 of these locations where the records have been kept. | ||
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Boy, don't you hope it's a hoax. | |
| I'm not exactly sure what I hope as a result of this. | ||
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It's a hoax. | |
| We can just go on. | ||
| Everybody can keep believing the same old crap they're doing and living in everyday life. | ||
| But if it is not a hoax, we have to change. | ||
| We have to realize there's a whole world of existence spiritually, mentally, and physically, categorically, historically, culturally, anthropologically, biblically. | ||
| Somebody would have had to have gone to an unbelievable amount of trouble to make it a hoax. | ||
| I mean, how could... | ||
| It would have been extremely, incredibly expensive. | ||
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And hide it in the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere. | |
| That's where it was found? | ||
| In the middle of a cornfield? | ||
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Well, close to that. | |
| I'm not going to say exactly. | ||
| But something like that. | ||
| It's an amazing art. | ||
| I mean, I know you don't die. | ||
| I have your own near-death experiences. | ||
| I know all about that stuff. | ||
| But then all of a sudden, all the cultural histories and the things like in Egypt, it's in America. | ||
| So, you really, Dan, you became involved in this with Robert Ghostwolf to, as much as you're able to airtime here, to verify it. | ||
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I came involved with him because when he, Ronnie Mound said a man was in trouble and he needed some help as a friend to go through some broad things, and Ronnie Mound, I said, well, what is all that stuff? | |
| Ronnie Mound wants some compassionate action and works the butt off in VAs. | ||
| And I went to command me to do it. | ||
| And if I watched it and I looked at it, and I watched Robert and I came into it that way, I come to prove it's not true. | ||
| Because if it is a hoax, I must look at it from that point. | ||
| And it's a hoax. | ||
| And I must do my research and explore it and look at it from that point and disprove it. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Well, I'm doing a real bad job of that art. | |
| Listen, I send those photos and graphs off to a Celtic study of ancient language. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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He's funny. | |
| I never tell him where it came from. | ||
| I just ask him in the period of time and written in this tablet. | ||
| And they think the stone is a typical place of it. | ||
| And I'm getting ready to go to Ireland because I want to see where this quarry is. | ||
| And this geologist said, since Ireland is so small, he could find the exact location of the quarry. | ||
| So you are in the midst of uncovering not just this ancient site, but looking for the rest of them, too. | ||
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Well, if I can verify what I, as David Brinkley, know, like in Egypt, and then this Equestrian, and then this Irish piece, and the ways that I can, in my own self, know exactly this, then I know there's one. | |
| And if I can't get the capstone on, and I know from looking at the things that I saw, if we don't bring this awareness and keep it alive, we're in trouble. | ||
| And I'd rather people... | ||
| Oh, let me give you... | ||
| I mean, they're going to look at this and they're going to go, this, you know, everything I know and everything I believe, my faith tells me this must be a hoax. | ||
| Because if it's not a hoax, then what I thought was true isn't true. | ||
| What about everybody else, Dari? | ||
| What about everybody else who, when they look at this, will go, I knew it. | ||
| Oh, they'll be clear. | ||
| You know what I was believing with it? | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You see, it's it. | ||
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It's a whole new beautiful world that dawns the millennium. | |
| Everything is possible. | ||
| Institutions, religions, and governments are liars to control us. | ||
| I mean, I watch that stuff. | ||
| But all of a sudden, here's this event. | ||
| And here's an opportunity to be able to look at it. | ||
| And for all of us, I mean, there's things I want to know about art. | ||
| It's like just to explore it. | ||
| And for all of us, maybe, just maybe, just maybe. | ||
| We don't know everything. | ||
| God, isn't that terrible? | ||
| There's going to be a lot of people very upset about this, though. | ||
| Nevertheless, I know there are, as you point out, there are going to be a lot of people who will say, I knew it. | ||
| It doesn't surprise me. | ||
| I always believed this was true. | ||
| Sure, there will be those people, but there's going to be a lot of other people who are going to be really, really, really upset. | ||
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Give them my phone number, Art. | |
| And tell them to call me just after I drank that bottle of wine on the full moon. | ||
| Let me at them. | ||
| Because I'm going to look at it like you see me do in Egypt and everywhere else. | ||
| Compassionate action, hospice work, and taking the near-death experience to a place that it can be used in service and helping soldiers. | ||
| But I also know what I've been through in the spiritual places that I'm learning about, that as I go and look at this, this is important. | ||
| Well, here's, I think this will satisfy you. | ||
| I hope it will, Dan. | ||
| This is a fact that I just got. | ||
| It says, hey, Art, it's wonderful to hear Daniel again tonight. | ||
| Please, if you have the time, let him know that I went home to see my parents a couple of weeks ago, took Save by the Light with me for my dad to read. | ||
| He's 83, and I believe he's getting ready to leave. | ||
| He read the book from cover to cover and loved it. | ||
| It opened up a lot of conversation between us, and we were able to talk about so many things and so many things that needed saying. | ||
| I took this journey specifically to say those things to dad. | ||
| Bless you, Daniel, for the help you gave us. | ||
| The unsaid words have all been said, and the love is clear and shining between us. | ||
| For this incalculable gift, you will always be in my prayers. | ||
| Aloha. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| You know, Art. | ||
| And that's what compassionate action is. | ||
| And did I tell you today, thanks, Art? | ||
| Because you put it out there, you come and saved my life. | ||
| You know, I got mad at you about that. | ||
| You know how I hate people to get me up from the dead. | ||
| And I apologize. | ||
| But you got me up. | ||
| And compassionate action is doing that. | ||
| And I'm very, very proud. | ||
| Yeah, my only complaint is you seem to be doing the best you can to die again. | ||
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Why do you always have to be right? | |
| All right, folks. | ||
| Up to my website, you go at www.artbell.com. | ||
| There has been a major archaeological discovery in Middle America. | ||
| We've got the photographs of the artifacts. | ||
| You go look for yourself, and you tell us what we have found. | ||
| And I shouldn't say we. | ||
| I don't have a thing to do with it other than, I guess, breaking the news to you. | ||
| But as you sift through these photographs, if your mind doesn't do a couple of paradigm twists, a sort of a Belinda Blair twist, then you're not looking carefully. | ||
| I'm Art Bell from the High Desert. | ||
| This is Ghost to Ghost KF. | ||
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Ghost to Ghost KF. | |
| All right, Danion, who went to Egypt when he should not have and wore himself to a frazzle, will be with us only through this next segment, and we will continue with the Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
| But we wanted to have Dan on because he was verifying so much of what you're hearing about tonight. | ||
| Dan, again, thank you for straining to be here. | ||
| You had a site you wanted to mention to the public, a website? | ||
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Yeah, it's this Twilight Brigade. | |
| It's WonDamien.com. | ||
| I'm going to get me a website, Art. | ||
| For those of us who have taken too many blunt objects to the head, could one of you please spell out exactly what is implied by these photographs and what it says to us? | ||
| Straight out. | ||
| I mean, I... | ||
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Go, Robert. | |
| We, uh... | ||
| We're not what we were told we were. | ||
| And we don't necessarily come from where we've been led or manipulated to believe that we come from. | ||
| That we are much more than that. | ||
| And the beautiful thing about these pieces and this discovery is that it's all evidence. | ||
| It's 3D. | ||
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It's here. | |
| We're not talking metaphysical or trying to explain something from a transcription from a pyramid in Yucatan or a hieroglyphic on a rock that people can say, well, it could be that way or it could be that way. | ||
| Some of these photographs are just, they're obvious. | ||
| I mean, when I saw them, I just didn't believe them. | ||
| I mean, for the first time. | ||
| I just like, this is, you know, this is absolutely. | ||
| That's why I said, how do you know this is not some kind of terrible hoax? | ||
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I'm going to find out. | |
| Well, I know. | ||
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A gentleman goes step by step, each piece, question them, look at it. | |
| But to start, the Celtic stuff and the Middle Eastern stuff, specifically the Egyptian pieces, which are like 20 or 30, with those, I can step by step go and create the authenticity of it and know the people who are telling society and his researchers and their studies from the people on the plateau. | ||
| If they tell us of these pieces and what you know and what I know and the pyramids and all that stuff aren't, we have to go to open up everyone's mind and everyone's consciousness. | ||
| But what this really says is, you know, if these are authentic, and they certainly appear to be, they're not salted, then if they're really here naturally, then the Egyptian culture or the Atlantean culture, if you really want to go for it. | ||
| Or the American culture is the American culture. | ||
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Voila. | |
| Welcome home. | ||
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The right Irene. | |
| Yeah, that's what it says for anybody with too many blunt objects to the head. | ||
| If you look at these photographs, you're looking at your past, our past, all of us. | ||
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And that civilizations existed and come and go, and every so often they wipe us out when emergency. | |
| You know, and the bottom line here is, capstone or not, these ancient civilizations, which may have known how to prevent these cyclical extinctions were not successful. | ||
| Or else they'd still be here. | ||
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Well, people did survive. | |
| The story of the epics of Gilgamesh and the Great Flood. | ||
| And they did care enough to store their data and their information so that one day the events that we would find them again. | ||
| And that the growth and the cycle would begin again. | ||
| The Earth is growing and it's unfolding in its own universe and what it does. | ||
| I mean, you know, magnetic shifts and 3 billion planets and just the Milky Way, 4.3 billion planets. | ||
| It's unfolding, ever evolving in evolution. | ||
| But the knowledge of this, and that they did this, and that I have one I can check myself. | ||
| And all of a sudden, even as it is fearful, it is a natural cycle. | ||
| And it is a way that proves to us we have a spiritual commitment here and that this world is unfolding and is not controlled by but our wills and our consciousness to understand and there are still monuments and things that exist to verify it. | ||
| That is the most exciting stuff. | ||
| I mean, it's the most exciting stuff I've ever been around. | ||
| Because here on this earth, it proves so much that I wondered about. | ||
| And then I hear people talk about, but I don't believe all that stuff. | ||
| I deal with death. | ||
| And if it's true, and we take it step by step, we do it right, and we report it, and we keep it trusted, and we re-verify it. | ||
| And American archaeologists are going to totally freak out. | ||
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Yeah, I like it when they do that, don't you? | |
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, they really are going to blow it on this one. | ||
| Picture number 11 in the pictures that I have numbered, the clear Egyptian picture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anybody want to take a shot at what we're seeing there? | ||
| I mean, it's obviously what we think of, I guess I ought to say, as Egyptian. | ||
| What are we seeing? | ||
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Well, it is in the Greek, I mean, in the Greek occupation, when the Greeks came in the Ptolema era, after Alexander the Great conquered Egypt, they changed the design and how people were drawn. | |
| That's how you would know that. | ||
| Okay, this is, I'm pretty sure, because they hold a key of life, and the scepter is the combination of upper and lower Egypt. | ||
| Is that what that is, the key of life? | ||
| That's the honk. | ||
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And then the rod is a serpent combining upper and lower periods. | |
| I would say it was Pata, one of the four gods, symbolizing Aminra. | ||
| The hieroglyphics, I'm not really sure about it, because when you go from a Ptolemite drawing, the Greeks added a bunch of their own symbolism to relate over the top of naturally drawn Egyptians from the dynasties back. | ||
| And so, looking at that, what it is is a celebration of fertility and a time and the hieroglyphics and how this thing would be put in place, usually in a tomb or something like that. | ||
| How they write out in hieroglyphics the history of their life, this would be a part of. | ||
| What would be on the other side, left and right, would tell me what the story was. | ||
| But this is the coming tooth. | ||
| They hold the key of life, the serpent of the upper and lower Nile. | ||
| They have the female head. | ||
| That means it's fertility. | ||
| And it's in service to giving the land in royalty. | ||
| Now, the hieroglyphics is saying it's only a bunch of symbols because there's a sentence before and a structure after it. | ||
| But it is, I am the celebration of this divining something. | ||
| So it's at least 2,000 years old. | ||
| Dan, how do you imagine something like this would come out of American soil, please? | ||
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I would imagine that looking at all the histories, looking at the myths and the legends, that these chambers and these places of knowledge were put in place so that when we emerged to a certain level of consciousness, we would be aware of them, like Casey says, like all the predictions that are there that are Nostradamus, especially native nations, the Opis. | |
| Now look at just what I went through, Art. | ||
| We just finished box four and five of where Russia is. | ||
| So box seven is the environment. | ||
| The environmental religion. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Then who... | ||
| Can I just say this? | ||
| The environmental religion. | ||
| And there would be a Russian that would come forth and create almost a religion. | ||
| Well, the other day I saw Gorbachev on CNN talking about pollution and his green cross to save the world's environment. | ||
| So I checked into the boxes of knowledge, and like I've always said, when we would truly know the war, the place of transition in time had come, based on the things that I saw, the war would be over water. | ||
| In the Middle East, it wouldn't be over anything but water. | ||
| Roger 4 and 5. | ||
| And you know, you've been hearing that clap forever, and I've been saying it for 20 years. | ||
| Yesterday's paper. | ||
| Israel is suffering its worst drought in 160 years. | ||
| They have cut off 50% of the water going to the West Bank, and they're trying to figure out how to truck water for drinking. | ||
| Not a little bit. | ||
| It's changing a lot. | ||
| We are now experiencing in the middle of a global climate change period. | ||
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Sounds like a good time to bring on an environmental religion. | |
| If there were people who knew these ancient traditions, properties, and prophecies, the same that know that maybe there is extraterrestrial life, should be a good time to bring on an environmental religion and blame it on everything that we're doing, as opposed to really knowing that it is unfolding, the changes coming, the storms, and what happens when these eras come that you just wrote about with your book, We Whitley. | ||
| Now, Dali aren't. | ||
| Then who are, you know, talking about indigenous people is kind of a misnomer, period, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, what's indigenous? | ||
| That's what we're finding out. | ||
| That's what this is all about. | ||
| Because that's what we're finding out is who were the indigenous people. | ||
| Well, in America, we say the American native. | ||
| We say indigenous, original to this land, right? | ||
| Well. | ||
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Well, they sure took a lot of vacations and brought home a lot of great treasures from about 25 countries when they were indigenous here. | |
| They did it with canoes, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Before Christ at that. | ||
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Yeah, they probably swam over there. | |
| So what it really means is a bunch of Native Nation people discovered us. | ||
| Well, I'm telling you, this is not going to go down well in a lot of places. | ||
| It just isn't. | ||
| Robert, when, if ever, are you going to make public the location of these artifacts? | ||
| When we go into the actual other chambers, right now we're going through rubble. | ||
| And then I think that one of the things we're going to do is bring you in there with a camera. | ||
| I'd love it. | ||
| You know there are more chambers already? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| How? | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
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Two places. | |
| We have this wonderful thing today called technology. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like what we were trying to get going in Miami to find out where the rest of the locations were. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And with the various technology that we have, thank you, NASA. | ||
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We found some stuff like Zaghi said, anomalies. | |
| Remember when we were talking about the chamber in Egypt Art? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And he says this kind of equipment that's used, either infrared or sonar sound looking for oil deposits? | |
| Yes. | ||
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And they said it was just an anomaly. | |
| Yes. | ||
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And some Japanese were over there doing it. | |
| The Japanese, they don't believe in anomalies. | ||
| They will figure out exactly what it is. | ||
| Well, when you try it in America, you get to see what it is. | ||
| So you'd be willing at some point to let me come in there with cameras? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Well, my real message is this, Art. | |
| We go step by step. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| I don't have to go to Degypta anywhere. | ||
| I can just explore this one right here. | ||
| And report on it. | ||
| And just go step by step. | ||
| And at some point in it, create that. | ||
| Create a television show or explore it. | ||
| But what I liked about Robert... | ||
| ...what do you think is that work? | ||
| Explore. | ||
| What I liked about Robert, he didn't go after that. | ||
| Some people had tried to do these kinds of things in other places. | ||
| Been to glorify it and just to rape it and pillage it and get on the air and make themselves famous and what they're doing. | ||
| Instead of keeping to the spiritual tradition, do it step by step and do it honorably and look at it honestly and report back and protect it. | ||
| Well, both of you know about forbidden archaeology, don't you? | ||
| In other words, there are a lot of archaeological finds that don't fit into the paradigms of those who tell us what the world has been. | ||
| And when they find these things, inevitably they lock them up in the back of museums and refuse to allow them to be seen, refuse to talk about them, refuse to acknowledge they even exist. | ||
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And destroy the whole careers of those people who discover them. | |
| That's a fact. | ||
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Maybe even kill some of them. | |
| That's a fact, too. | ||
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So now you figured out how I decided to die, aren't you? | |
| I couldn't put the capstone on the pyramid, and if it really worked, it'd shut down every computer system, satellite, telephones, and they could really blame the Y2K on the pyramid then. | ||
| Yeah, we're worried about all that stuff coming up. | ||
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I believed it was going to happen. | |
| I believe it would create such a magnetic flux, especially in scalar ellipic wave, that the damage it would do in Y2K. | ||
| You and I both know Zahi. | ||
| Could you describe for me his demeanor in losing the battle with regard to the capstone? | ||
| How's Zahi doing? | ||
| Is he old? | ||
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He's mad as hell. | |
| He's mad as hell? | ||
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See, Art, we've always thought it was Ahi, you know? | |
| And even I have some suspicions about stuff because I know him. | ||
| I've been going there 26 years. | ||
| And I saw him fight the president couldn't get it done. | ||
| Somebody knows something, Art. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, all those conspiracies and all that stuff that you and I were toiling hard with Graham and Robert. | ||
| Yeah, stop being children. | ||
| Let's look at it, myth or not. | ||
| I guess we've got to give these photographs to Graham and Robert soon, if they don't already have them, if they haven't been consulted. | ||
| Have they been yet? | ||
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Nope. | |
| Nope. | ||
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Nobody's. | |
| I can't even imagine what they're going to say. | ||
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Well, we'll certainly give them a chance. | |
| But I'm going to verify two or three of the pieces. | ||
| I'm going to make sure, just from my own way of looking at it, and verify it for myself using the world's most famous archaeologist, the Egyptologist on the Giza Plateau, another guy in Ireland, a couple of other people that Robert have. | ||
| Can we also carbon date the adjacent ground? | ||
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Oh, yeah, but you could do a geology survey. | |
| You could use radium depletion. | ||
| And you could also, you know, there's even the DNA. | ||
| I mean, we can go layer by layer. | ||
| And just do it right. | ||
| It just takes a little time because we don't have all that giant money. | ||
| And the people you would normally go to to raise money for that kind of stuff are universities or film companies. | ||
| Well, film companies, now there's a possibility. | ||
| I mean, this is the kind of thing that some network would jump on and Charlton Heston would narrate and, you know, all that sort of thing. | ||
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And they would make it thrill a minute, 18 to 48. | |
| And would they ever play knowledge? | ||
| Would they ever get the full knowledge? | ||
| That's the point here. | ||
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I doubt it. | |
| The point here is that there's an incredible message here. | ||
| There's an incredible amount of information that has to be brought out at this time. | ||
| Robert, other than yourself and Daniel, how many people know about this find, where it is, and the details about it? | ||
| How many people know? | ||
| A handful? | ||
| Like a half dozen people, maybe? | ||
| Maybe, maybe less. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're about to end the segment, and Dan is going to go to bed and try to stay alive. | ||
| I really. | ||
| When I brought it to him, I said, look at this jigsaw puzzle. | ||
| What are we looking at? | ||
| And we realize we have to do this one step at a time. | ||
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Yeah, because I think it's the most fantastic thing I've ever seen. | |
| And it's here. | ||
| And each time I look at it and I go and look and do my research, because I'm, you know, amazingly knowledgeable, and I've been in 81 countries, and I can see it, identify it as soon as Robert showed it. | ||
| They say, how do you know each of the languages and where it came from, Etruscan? | ||
| Well, I pay attention to that stuff. | ||
| And here comes the chance to go step by step and to look at it. | ||
| It is absolutely phenomenal. | ||
| And to do it a little out of time, I don't want to do it. | ||
| I know if it's as powerful as it is, every control system would be put in place. | ||
| A university would put it in some shelf somewhere or shut it out. | ||
| Or a company would play it off as something, or they would be limited in being able to use it. | ||
| But I don't think they can do that to Arbell. | ||
| No? | ||
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No, I think that it can be streamed on as good as digital could be or some way radio to the cameras that you have. | |
| I mean, Small Mind doesn't move all into that kind of stuff. | ||
| I do television and I write stuff for them and I help create the Egyptian thing. | ||
| And, you know, I'm always in the background trying to create spiritual awareness. | ||
| But I think that there is a way to do that just step by step as grown men in this stuff. | ||
| Dan, that's exactly the way we'll take it, step by step. | ||
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Scientifically and the best we know. | |
| And as I don't art, I like to tell everybody that's art people and out there. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| I thank them for their prayers. | ||
| I thank them for caring about me. | ||
| And happy holidays. | ||
| Happy Hanukkah. | ||
| Safe Rosh Hashanah and Merry Christmas. | ||
| Good night, Dan. | ||
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Good night, Art. | |
| Robert, stay right there, and we'll be right back. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You've got to see these photographs, and when you do, you've got to scratch your head for a while, and then send me some email if you want. | ||
| Tell me what you think, because I don't know what to think. | ||
| I'm in theaters, right? | ||
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Still thinking about that. | |
| And or go to a bookstore. | ||
| And now what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring Robert Ghostwolf back, who has made this incredible, just absolutely incredible discovery. | ||
| There almost are not words for it, but there are a couple. | ||
| Let me first promo what he's got. | ||
| And he's got a couple of recent publications that you're going to love. | ||
| They're absolutely beautiful. | ||
| Through the Eyes of the Shaman is one. | ||
| And Days of Destiny is the other. | ||
| The other. | ||
| Now, both of these, Days of Destiny, will describe this discovery. | ||
| And I guess a lot of the photographs, Robert, that are on the website are in Days of Destiny. | ||
| Yes, they will be there. | ||
| And what Days of Destiny is something that you've always been asking me, which is Days of Destiny is the total revealing of the seventh thunder and what it's about. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, the final drama. | ||
| The final drama. | ||
| You know, I've got a feeling the final drama, as far as we're concerned, is pretty close. | ||
| What's the 800 number for orders? | ||
| That 800 number is 800, 646, 770, 646, 770. | ||
| No, wait a minute. | ||
| You're missing a number. | ||
| 646-7770. | ||
| 37s and a 0. | ||
| And the other number, the fax line, is 1-888 690-3970. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Both of these are available like right now. | ||
| And if they order them through us, they get an autographed copy. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And they're doing all sorts of crazy things down there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're giving everything away down there because it's Christmas. | ||
| I've got a couple of questions, then we're going to go to the phones. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Could these, this is from Plano, Texas, Dave. | ||
| And it's as good a question as any, considering what we're talking about tonight, the impossibility of it all. | ||
| Could these artifacts of Robert Goebbolf's diggs be evidence of time travel? | ||
| I'm going to say that at this point, there are some things that we have not put up here. | ||
| I mean, like I said, we have over 200 artifacts that I've seen. | ||
| I have close to 2,000 photographs. | ||
| There are things there that indicate that that could be a total probability. | ||
| And then beyond that, we go into a personal understanding, which is that it's totally probable because it happened. | ||
| You know, it reminds me of the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. | ||
| Remember they're out in the desert, middle of the desert, and the airplanes that disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle are all sitting there brand new with the gas in them. | ||
| And it's just unbelievable. | ||
| All right, here's one more. | ||
| Art, I just wanted to say that it's a really great show tonight, great topic. | ||
| Wondering if you were aware that the timeline that Robert and your guests are talking about with regard to these artifacts is the same basic Timeline that the Book of Mormon is set in. | ||
| The Book of Mormon also says that these people wrote in a form of revised Egyptian. | ||
| Is it possible that Joseph Smith was indeed a prophet and the Book of Mormon is all true? | ||
| I'd like to hear you and your guests discuss this issue. | ||
| Has it been brought up to you? | ||
| It's been brought up to me several times. | ||
| I am not at all qualified to be an expert on that book. | ||
| From what I understand and people who I have discussed this with, it's an absolute affirmation as to the information in the book as far as the historical records. | ||
| As far as accuracy, again, I'm not the expert to speak about that. | ||
| But as you go through what we have here, just on the site, yes, it talks about everything from the Ark of the Covenant to the priesthood of Aaron, who was Moses' brother. | ||
| It talks about how it came here. | ||
| We have a picture on one of those stones, which is obviously the Ark of the Covenant. | ||
| Next to it, we have a seal of Solomon. | ||
| What number is that? | ||
| Can you tell me offhand? | ||
| I have to go down and see. | ||
| Just give me a. | ||
| I can make my guess, but I'd rather have you tell me. | ||
| I've got laser copies of the photographs that are up in the website. | ||
| We're going to 23. | ||
| It's the Ark of the Covenant. | ||
| 20, and I think next to it, I have on the website, and please put it up on yours. | ||
| There's a artist image of what the Ark of the Covenant looks like. | ||
| Boy, that looks like that. | ||
| That does look like the Ark of the Covenant. | ||
| Holy moly. | ||
| Who did all of the photography and scanning of all of these? | ||
| The other associates that I'm involved with in this dig. | ||
| Somebody did some really good work. | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| I mean, it's been a tremendous jigsaw puzzle putting this together. | ||
| And it's also been quite an interesting drama. | ||
| I bet it has. | ||
| I don't even know how you consider going public with all this. | ||
| Well, that was Daniel. | ||
| Dan thought you. | ||
| Daniel said, he said, Robert, it's time to come out with this. | ||
| And when he was in Egypt and he called me back, and I think that's when we contacted you, and he got the affirmations that he needed from Zahid, who was probably looking for me at this very moment. | ||
| Figuring that you're a thief. | ||
| That I took this stuff from Egypt. | ||
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| Yeah, the only problem is it's not just from Egypt, but there's some of this obviously is Egyptian. | ||
| I mean, there's no question about it, period. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| And it's absolutely from the era of Ptolemy, which would be the whole line that came from Cleopatra when the Greek influence came in. | ||
| Where do you go now with regard to investigation? | ||
| In other words, you've got to do dating, carbon dating, and the other work. | ||
| We're doing carbon dating. | ||
| We're doing translations. | ||
| We have some pieces, photographs of some pieces off right now to the University of Jerusalem. | ||
| Really? | ||
| We've brought in some people who were authorities on the Kabbalah, which is where some of the explanations that are up on your site, I don't know if we got them up on our site yet, | ||
| but where some of those explanations came from, because in some of the, especially the Hebrew stones, there's a discrepancy as to whether they're speaking about Yeshua ben-Joseph, which would be Jesus the Christ, or they're speaking about Moses, or perhaps his brother Aaron. | ||
| And there's one stone in there in particular where it's obvious what it is. | ||
| I mean, as we come down to, I believe number 16, got it, where you, this is, I don't know if this is a tomb, if it's supposed to be his tomb, or if it's supposed to be the dome on the rock in Israel. | ||
| And we will notice that on both sides of that, you have a symbol of two serpents. | ||
| One on the left is kind of hard to make out. | ||
| It's been worn away. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We could have used a little more light in this photograph. | ||
| But the one on the right, you can see this encrypture of the serpent, and in the serpent's mouth is a ball. | ||
| Now, that is interpreted various ways. | ||
| Some say it's the serpent energy devouring the earth. | ||
| But if we go down to the last picture, which is 26, which is a tablet, there's a good depiction of that. | ||
| And I have there an example of a Mayan glyph that speaks of the same thing. | ||
| Now, what this means, and it's on so many pieces. | ||
| It's not just on one piece. | ||
| It's repeated over and over and over. | ||
| I see the serpent. | ||
| Just as there are certain symbols that are over and over and over, which is a seal. | ||
| It's some sort of a seal. | ||
| It's some sort of a cartouche saying this. | ||
| And it's the same symbols. | ||
| It's the same language. | ||
| I have not had time to decipher these yet because Daniel picked them out with me. | ||
| We said, let's use these. | ||
| But that symbol represents not a reptile eating the earth. | ||
| What it represents is the pharaonic line, the royal bloodlines. | ||
| And as we go through various cultures, that symbol is used. | ||
| So what they're talking about there is something of monumental importance. | ||
| According to someone there is obviously a priest of the royal bloodline. | ||
| So we're getting into the whole Messa, the Messianic line, the royal bloodline of Egypt, which later became the royal bloodline of Israel. | ||
| And that brings us to, which is what brought me to this in the first place, was the affirmation that the Anunnaki, the old ones, were here. | ||
| Oh, you really mean the really old ones? | ||
| The really old ones. | ||
| And the Hebrew transcriptions and pieces that we found are just incredible. | ||
| There's just a lot of them. | ||
| And you'll see there on one page, I think it's number eight, we have a picture of a menorah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what I did next to it was put an example of a menorah that just appeared in England. | ||
| Which is, is somebody trying to tell us something? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Why does that appear there and this appear here and they're identical? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The other thing is that the symbols on a lot of the Hebrew stones seem to indicate that they come from Africa. | ||
| This just can't be. | ||
| It's pretty mind-boggling. | ||
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It just can't be. | |
| Number 24. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| If I didn't know better, I'd say I'm looking at some sort of sailing ship or depiction. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So that's why it's indicating that this is a very large ship. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's carrying a lot of things in it. | ||
| Again, very different than the picture of the ship on number 17. | ||
| Now, number 17 is very interesting. | ||
| Again, on the sails are the symbols that are what I'm calling the cartouche, because it repeats over and over on these pictures. | ||
| And it is, the ship is not a Viking ship. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is from the Egyptian period. | ||
| And there's a cross. | ||
| There's a cross. | ||
| There's also the I on the right-hand side of that ship. | ||
| I don't know if that symbolizes that it was a CBS expedition. | ||
| Brother. | ||
| But there's the I, and then what you have on the other side is a pyramid. | ||
| And above the pyramid, you have the eight-pointed star, which indicates that the calculations on both sides you'll see calendar staffs, and it's telling us to go to the Venus calendar, to use the Venus calendar, which is used both in the Chaldean determinations of time and the Mayan. | ||
| Most of the prophecies that come from the Mayan, that come from Quasi Quatal, come from the Venus calendar. | ||
| And how we tell the dates of when things are going to happen in relation to the present calendar, which we're using, the Gregorian calendar, it's been proven to be a little more accurate because it works on the cycles of the universe, it works on the cycles of the Earth, which is so astonishing when I was listening to you talking about your book with Whitley, which is right on target. | ||
| And it's coming, it's going to start right from that area. | ||
| The storms, the weather, and then it's going to move. | ||
| Well, that's well underway. | ||
| I mean, you're the one who brought the Hopi to me. | ||
| It was an arduous show. | ||
| We did a translation, but they said it already has begun. | ||
| And that was on the heels of the quickening that I wrote. | ||
| And now Superstorm, which is really going to scare a lot of people. | ||
| I guess maybe we ought not be scared. | ||
| Should we be scared of these changes or simply comfortable with them, understanding that we cannot change what is to be? | ||
| Well, if you're going to go through a hurricane, there's nothing you can do but go through it. | ||
| What we know is coming is that how do earth changes begin? | ||
| And I think that a lot of people are focusing on some sort of biblical occurrence, so to speak, a Cecil B. de Mill kind of situation, which, ironically, we're getting more verification has occurred here and probably most likely will occur again. | ||
| Oh, I think the changes, you know, they're out there happening right now. | ||
| All right, we're going to pause here at the bottom of the hour, and when we come back, I promise we will open the phone lines. | ||
| Absolutely inexplicable. | ||
| What Robert has discovered in the middle of a field in the middle of America under the ground is like a secret place in time. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| All right, back now to Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
| And Robert, phones and see what we come up with. | ||
| There should be a lot of startled people out there, not everybody with a computer, though. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| Hi, Robert. | ||
| This is Brad over here in Paulsbo, Washington. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Listening to you on Como 1000. | |
| Of course. | ||
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Please forgive it. | |
| I'm kind of hyperkinetic tonight. | ||
| And the question I have, if I can get it all coherent and out here, is, you know, given all this evidence that has been collected just recently here in the last hundred years or so, and all of the anachronisms, just drop them, forget the anachronisms, forget the controversies. | ||
| Does it really seem strange that people are discovering that these sites could be megalithic machines? | ||
| And if so, and you take that, I mean, like, they're on Mars, they're on the moon, they may be other places here on the Earth. | ||
| There are several others. | ||
| You know, like, I look at all this and I'm saying, you know, like, this is like a big picture puzzle. | ||
| And, You know, like as for those megalithic machines, you know, like, wouldn't they be described as to apparent function? | ||
| I mean, like, if wouldn't they give their operators some contact with the matter of which they're made out of and the planet's made out of? | ||
| And wouldn't all the animals and plants be recorded in the energy streams here? | ||
| I mean, after all, what is DNA for except it's a material expression of an idea? | ||
| Any comment, Robert? | ||
| I like that explanation. | ||
| That's really what DNA is. | ||
| It's a material manifestation of an idea, which can carry the consciousness, it carries the intelligence, the knowledge of. | ||
| And I think that all of that is part of what a lot of us are concerned about as we're finding out more. | ||
| You know, we're in the kindergarten stages of finding these things out. | ||
| The prophecies do tell us that in the latter days, at the end times, these discoveries would be made and the things that were hidden would be revealed so that we would know. | ||
| And being we are in that kindergarten stage of understanding like there is a lot more to this and that they are on global grids and precise locations and that they do have functions, even though we have yet to discover what all of those functions are. | ||
| They could be the very thing that's holding the consciousness of this planet together. | ||
| If all we are is an idea, then what happens if that link is destroyed? | ||
| You see? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Then we rip apart a dream, we rip apart our reality, and then how do we express? | ||
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You see? | |
| Well, you know, there's sites all over the earth. | ||
| There's that black pyramid in India, and there's the Stonehenge down south that you and Richard Hoagland helped bring the consciousness of America toward. | ||
| You know, but in ancient sites right here in America, the Amer Indians have a site that they never speak about much, but if you looked at from the air, it's where the sperm meets the Gabi at the Ohio Mound. | ||
| That is just striking from the air. | ||
| It is as if matter is descending into energy, or vice versa. | ||
| It is an amazing place. | ||
| I've been over that area. | ||
| All right, sir. | ||
| I appreciate your call. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Thank you, and thank you for the contribution. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on there with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
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| Hello. | ||
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Yes, I'm in Kansas City. | |
| All right. | ||
| I was curious to know if either one of you have ever heard of a visionary named Mary Summer Rain. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay, well, I was kind of blown away with what's been on tonight because about four or five years ago, she wrote a book called The Seventh Mesa. | |
| And the premise of the book is what you have discovered. | ||
| And it really just kind of floored me when I've been listening to you. | ||
| And I'm a comparatively new listener. | ||
| I've only been listening to you, Art, for about, oh, maybe two weeks. | ||
| Well, I think one of the other things that she focused on in her books from her teacher, No Eyes, was the rising of the Phoenix. | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| And what the rising of the Phoenix is, is the consciousness that is now awakening. | ||
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Right. | |
| And you are looking at these things now and understanding what they really mean. | ||
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Sorry? | |
| I didn't hear that. | ||
| We are now seeing these things. | ||
| They're being revealed, and we are at the state of consciousness where we can accept what they really mean. | ||
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Right, she said there would be a time for that in her books. | |
| I was just amazed, though. | ||
| I was very curious to know whether either one of you had ever either talked to her or read her stuff. | ||
| Evidently, you haven't, of course, since you know. | ||
| Robert, have you spoken to her? | ||
| I have not personally spoken to Mary Summeraine. | ||
| I've read her earlier books. | ||
| I've not read her later books. | ||
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The last book that I read that I, I don't know what she's in since 96, but it was called Visitation. | |
| And it was the archangel came down and was giving her stuff about how we consciously could change some of the things that were going to happen, some of the earth changes, that, you know, have an effect on them. | ||
| Ed, do you have any comment about that? | ||
| Well, actually, let's stretch that out a little bit. | ||
| Robert, you said the seventh thunder is about upon us. | ||
| It's on us. | ||
| It's on us. | ||
| What exactly is the seventh thunder? | ||
| The seventh thunder, in a nutshell, if I was to compress it, what it means is that one, we will not only remember who we are, we will have evidence of who we are that will kick that memory into gear within our DNA. | ||
| The other part of the seventh thunder has got to do with that's when we return as a race, as a global race, as we once were to a galactic universe. | ||
| And there are many, many pieces in here that make, not in what we have up yet, but there are pieces that make reference to that and that make reference to the Star Nations. | ||
| I wonder if this is knowledge that each civilization has stumbled into just prior to the need for it. | ||
| You know, there's more than a coincidence to that statement because that seems to be almost the way it appears. | ||
| It's like you have this great zenith of consciousness and awareness, and then all of a sudden as you look at the cycles of history of civilizations linearly, then all of a sudden they're gone. | ||
| You know, it's like the Maya. | ||
| They had this incredible cosmic knowledge and all of a sudden their knowledge was gone. | ||
| Not the people. | ||
| The people are very much alive and that culture and that understanding is going through its own rebirthing process right now. | ||
| But also as we go through different places in the world, we see that we reached a great zenith of knowingness, A great zenith of consciousness and an understanding, and we became spiritual, if you want to use the word, and realizing the balance between the two, and then all of a sudden they're gone. | ||
| And all we have is, like, what we're looking at, records. | ||
| But that must mean to date, although many civilizations may have come close to preventing what otherwise is going to occur, they didn't quite make it. | ||
| There's a flaw in the DNA. | ||
| That's what I try to talk about through the eye of the shaman, how to overcome that. | ||
| We seem to slip into the self-destructive mode. | ||
| And I think that what's going on in the world today with everybody backbiting and attacking everybody and politicians are lying. | ||
| I mean, it's out of control. | ||
| And we're slipping into that cycle. | ||
| And these things are coming up, these revelations are coming up out of the ground to tell us, don't make the same mistakes. | ||
| You know, you said a question earlier. | ||
| Should we be afraid of what's coming? | ||
| Well, I would like to be an optimist, but I see us well down the road of the very same mistake. | ||
| Unfortunately, I think on the whole, I agree with you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, anyway. | ||
| Maybe we can wake a couple of people up. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| West for the Rockies. | ||
| You're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi there. | |
| How are you doing, Art? | ||
| All right. | ||
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A couple things. | |
| First, congratulations on the success of your book. | ||
| It seems like it's been really good. | ||
| Oh, it's incredible. | ||
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It sounds like it's awesome. | |
| I haven't got it yet, but I plan to pick it up. | ||
| A couple things, a question and a comment. | ||
| I'll get to the question first. | ||
| Kind of sounds like you found a time capsule here. | ||
| And one thing I was wondering is, do you think that possibly or maybe that you might actually find a physical being where you're currently digging? | ||
| Now there is a problem. | ||
| Let's put it this way. | ||
| At this point, it's highly probable. | ||
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Highly probable? | |
| I'll say that now. | ||
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Terrific. | |
| That would be an excellent find. | ||
| And here, I'm in the Clemente area of Albuquerque, New Mexico, listening to UN 77KOB. | ||
| And very spiritual area out here. | ||
| And it seems like that in every portion of a religion or some kind of sect or, you know, there's always a missing link that fails to tie everything together really tight. | ||
| And it seems like this might actually be something that could tie almost all of those things together in a way of all different parts of religions and, you know, from every part of the country here on our earth. | ||
| And what do you think about that? | ||
| Do you think this could actually tie many things like Catholicism to Muslims and stuff like that? | ||
| Do you think it has that kind of an impact? | ||
| Daniel and I talked extensively about that. | ||
| Again, we're only looking at a teaspoon of what we are looking at in a whole with what we found. | ||
| And we haven't even gone into the major excavation yet. | ||
| But yes, it does do that. | ||
| And I think that that ramification of that would have to do that we're all going to have to do some mind-changing here. | ||
| We're going to have to look at things through another eye. | ||
| And maybe that's, you know, like Art said, that's going to get a lot of people upset. | ||
| The truth is, it doesn't always come sugar-coated. | ||
| And when what we're looking at right here is a global representation of different cultures. | ||
| I mean, we've got African figures, we've got the Sumerian figures, we've got ancient Hebrew, we've got Egyptian, we've got Roman, we've got Mayan, we've got Native American, and they're all tied together in this time capsule is a good word, and that's what these 12 sacred sites were. | ||
| And they're not unknown. | ||
| As a matter of fact, there's been a lot that's gone on with people trying to bring that information out. | ||
| As I said in the beginning of the show, I've done a lot of work with Speaking Wind on this. | ||
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Those sites are there. | |
| The time capsules is a good word for it. | ||
| They're there, so we would have the records. | ||
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Well, it sounds like you guys are on your way to hitting something big there. | |
| And thanks for letting me on this program tonight, Art. | ||
| All right, sir. | ||
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Team Success, and hello, Clem. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And if all of you, I recommend get to one of the two websites, mine, www.artbell.com or wolflodge.org. | ||
| That's wolflodge.org. | ||
| The sites are dragging. | ||
| Yeah, they're dragging slowly, but there is a long weekend ahead, and the holidays are coming, so the photographs will remain. | ||
| Don't panic if you cannot get through. | ||
| Just keep trying, and you will make it eventually. | ||
| First time call our line, you're on the air with Robert. | ||
| Ghost Wolf High. | ||
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Hi, this is William in Great Falls, Montana. | |
| Yes, William. | ||
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I've been a student of this sort of thing since the early 50s when I had a professor in college that closed me into an evidence end of a medallion of Evil Meredith, son of Nebuchadnezzar, between the Hopi places in Mexico City. | |
| And I believe that the Quetzalcoatl is no other person than Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, of the Chaldeans himself. | ||
| My question here is, are you familiar with Barry Feld, marine biologist at Harvard? | ||
| He used to be anyway. | ||
| We used to have a book by him, America, B.C., and he goes into the ships of Tarshish, the ships of the... | ||
| And there's a lot of that in America. | ||
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Yeah, and he showed how the Phoenicians were... | |
| This is for the ships of Phoenix. | ||
| And he felt that the Carthinagians were active in their trade down in the Oklahoma, Arkansas area, and the Phoenicians were more up in Minnesota and Ohio there. | ||
| Are you familiar with his work? | ||
| I'm not familiar with his work, but I am familiar with the information that you're talking about. | ||
| I figured you probably weren't. | ||
| And in Days of Destiny, I go into a lot of That with actual pictures and deciphering of what those rock drawings are actually saying. | ||
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Yeah, in his book, he had the pictures of the phalluses and the caves and the earth goddess and that. | |
| But I have another thought that you might be interested in on the Anastasia or the ancient ones. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I believe that they are Cain and the descendants of Cain, which God said in the Bible, would be the teachers and instructors of all the scientific advancements on the earth. | ||
| Had you considered that? | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| All right, listen, I've got a couple of things I want to get in here. | ||
| One, we're approaching an hour where I always give my guests a choice to either continue for another hour if you've got it in you, or head off to bed if you are exhausted. | ||
| I think we can go for another hour. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Another is, doesn't this make the term indigenous kind of relative? | ||
| A very relative term? | ||
| I think, as they say in Missouri, you hit the nail on the head. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So how will the indigenous people in America, relatively speaking, the contemporary term, be likely to accept this kind of evidence? | ||
| Not very well. | ||
| Well, it depends on what level you're talking to, what level of knowledge you're addressing. | ||
| Like I said, if we go, you know, indigenous to America, well, there's North America, there's South America. | ||
| And if you go to the Mayan, they always talk about Kwatsi Kwatl, the white-bearded god that would come back from the east. | ||
| They talk about Ku Koko Khan. | ||
| All of these gods that we call gods. | ||
| Well, would they not call us gods? | ||
| I saw the movie, The Gods Must Be Crazy, when they dropped the Coke bottle in the jungle. | ||
| So we would be referred to as the gods, but there's all this referral to the white-bearded gods that came, that brought this technology that came from the stars or came from the east. | ||
| You know, there's not enough time in the program to go into it in detail now, but to hit the highlights of it. | ||
| And this not only exists there, it exists with the Hopi. | ||
| And it exists with the ancient writings that are still intact. | ||
| Unfortunately, the Quran, the mound builders, are not here to carry on their knowledge, but that knowledge is written. | ||
| And the symbolisms that we're looking at in many of those situations are multicultural. | ||
| I mean, you can see the same symbol in Israel. | ||
| You can see the same symbol in Egypt. | ||
| You see the same symbol in Nigeria. | ||
| Yeah, they're startling. | ||
| Robert, hold on. | ||
| We're at the top of the hour. | ||
| I want to tell the audience, tomorrow night, you've asked for it, so you get it. | ||
| Raleigh James will be here again tomorrow night. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| Stay right where you are. | ||
| Guess there's no use in hanging around. | ||
| Guess I'll get dressed into the town. | ||
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I'll find some crowded avenue. | |
| No, it would be healthy without you. | ||
| Can't get used to me, no matter what I do. | ||
| Gonna live my whole life. | ||
| AMA 40. | ||
| Here's the facts for you that dib you through. | ||
| What does Robert think about Native American fighting going on now in the courts to stop anyone from doing any more testing or further digging at the Kennewick man site? | ||
| How can we prove that pre-Columbian visitors really did come here if we can't investigate and test the hypothesis and discoveries? | ||
| It's from Cambridge, Massachusetts. | ||
| Well, that's like a paradoxical dilemma, isn't it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's we have to study these things. | ||
| We have this hunger that lives inside of us to find out who we are and where we came from and how we got here and what we are made of. | ||
| I think that the main argument is from my side of the line as an individual who's very intimately involved in this in my life is that these sites have to be preserved. | ||
| They can't just be looted. | ||
| And I think that that's been the history of it. | ||
| It's been a history for 500 years here in this hemisphere and pretty much the rest of the world. | ||
| I think that we have to keep them contained and that we have to make this information available to everyone because everyone has the right to know. | ||
| Well, if everyone knew where it was right now, number one, it would be looted, as you just pointed out. | ||
| But number two, wouldn't there likely be indigenous peoples or our own government or any number of organizations that would attempt to stop it cold? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I would also add that sometimes they'll use any measure they have to to stop it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I just thought I'd bring that up so people understand why we're not telling them where it is. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hello there. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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How are you guys doing today? | |
| All right. | ||
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And congratulations, Art, on your book. | |
| Thank you. | ||
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I was just curious and wondering, when will this be news like on CNN when we start hearing about this? | |
| Or will we? | ||
| You mean what we're discussing tonight? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a pretty good question. | ||
| In other words, when will it hit the mainstream media? | ||
| Well, a good question. | ||
| Robert. | ||
| Maybe over the next few months. | ||
| When the wet weather allows and we can go in and do the proper excavations. | ||
| And I think I mentioned earlier, one of the things that Danion and I wanted to do was to bring Art down here just because he has to be there. | ||
| Oh, I'll come. | ||
| But I'm, you know, I'm just, I'm me. | ||
| Now, there's CNN and there's the various networks and there's... | ||
| Well, they're going to see this and they're going to see it. | ||
| They're going to see it. | ||
| They're going to go berserk and they're going to want information. | ||
| They're going to want to talk to you. | ||
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Well, did you ever try to change Daniel's mind about something? | |
| We don't need to talk about that. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf High. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, Art. | ||
| Hi, Robert. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| This is Barb from Missoula. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And I was wondering, first, I've got a couple of questions. | |
| First of all, the bloodline that you spoke of, Robert, would that have anything to do with the Christ bloodline? | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
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It does. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Well, as I'm saying, I call from Missoula here, so I'm kind of your neighbor. | ||
| But I know some friends of mine, a group, was trying to get a hold of you at one point, anyway. | ||
| And I was wondering, does any of this come from or has any relation to the Baha'is? | ||
| No. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And just one last question here. | ||
| I was wondering about... | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was wondering about the depth of this. | ||
| Very, very good question. | ||
| What do you mean by the depth? | ||
| Another word of depth. | ||
| Yeah, physical depth. | ||
| In other words, how far down did you begin discovering these artifacts? | ||
| And was it an accident? | ||
| Can you tell us the manner of discovery? | ||
| Was it a farmer out in the middle of his field plowing away? | ||
| I was a farmer out in the middle of the field. | ||
| I will say this much at this point, is that the sum of these chambers are 170 feet below the ground, maybe. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Wow. | ||
| And it's like a catacomb situation. | ||
| So it's not just one, it's multiple. | ||
| That is incredible. | ||
| That is. | ||
| Oh, this is absolutely deliberate. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| I mean, this wasn't just something that they covered over in a scurry with rocks and dirt. | ||
| This is a deliberate undertaking with a specific purpose. | ||
| That's what we have determined so far. | ||
| It's like when I was back doing the Colorado thing, and it was like, it's great to find these phenomenas. | ||
| But like, is there an indication of an actual intelligence, of a deliberate plan? | ||
| Is there mathematics? | ||
| Is there something laid out here? | ||
| And from everything that we have done with our testing and our sonar and infrared, we can absolutely say this is not an accident. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf and Art Bell. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Yes, Art. | ||
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I really love this show. | |
| You do a great job. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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And Robert, this is a really interesting subject tonight. | |
| Thank you. | ||
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You mentioned that there's a possible 12 sites. | |
| Is that in like a localized area, do you think? | ||
| Or is that between more regional? | ||
| North America and South America. | ||
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I see. | |
| I see. | ||
| The Americas. | ||
| What do you call the Americas? | ||
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Yes. | |
| I see. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, are they, you know, is there a map of some sort that you've discovered so far? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Or going back to an actual map. | ||
| There's a map. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, at least it's verbal. | ||
| Although some indications in some of the locations that we went to to verify the message, the written message, which we had to translate from Spanish originally, in certain locations there were maps that indicated where the other location was. | ||
| Am I being clear with that? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In other words, if we found out that one location was in a specific place and we would go there, it would tell us that there was another place here. | ||
| And it all worked out with the written message. | ||
| So it affirmed what was being said in verse. | ||
| And usually this was carved in stone. | ||
| And the native people would say, carved in the living rock. | ||
| That's where the message is put. | ||
| I see. | ||
| So I see. | ||
| Well, when I was on the air with Robert Gostwald, hello. | ||
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Yeah, well, hello. | |
| Good morning, Robert. | ||
| This is Dan in Virginia. | ||
| There are two questions I wanted to ask you. | ||
| Do you have a sense of what the purpose of the Ark of the Covenant is? | ||
| Do I have a sense? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you have a sense. | ||
| But I have to apologize because I'm not a biblical scholar, so I don't know what the academian translation is. | ||
| But the Ark of the Covenant was a receiver and a transducer. | ||
| It moved light frequency, which we could interpret as a laser or a laser-type beam, but it worked on a whole different principle, something that we call scalar wave. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And also in the stories of the Ark of the Covenant, there are various references here and there where they speak of two. | ||
| And one of those is believed to be here. | ||
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That's what I was getting to. | |
| I think you may. | ||
| No, I don't know if it's in here. | ||
| We haven't gotten that far yet. | ||
| But you never know. | ||
| If it is, I'm going to send Arden first. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
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My second question is, two and a half years ago, when you were showing your amulet. | |
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I had just gotten back from the Philippines and had someone scan it and send you a disc that you could take a look at it. | ||
| Ironically similar. | ||
| Yeah, very similar. | ||
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And I found that in a sacred cave in the Philippines, and there's all kinds of things that were there. | |
| Write to me again so we can contact on that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I'll do that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Thank you, Arch. | |
| Thank you, and take care. | ||
| East of the Rockies, I think we have time. | ||
| You're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
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Good morning. | |
| You guys are making us happy by having a good show. | ||
| Well, I'm glad. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm calling from Madison, Wisconsin. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I have a tiny question. | |
| Suom and Suom, Elijah, and Enanakiat. | ||
| The Anunnaki and the Samsuman mentioned in Genesis. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Could they be the pale ones? | |
| Were there American Native Indians who were pale-faced, rather light-pigmented? | ||
| There was a famous Indian wrestler who used to maintain that there were white Indians once upon a time in Montana and around Winnipeg. | ||
| All right, you know anything about that, Robert? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What do you know? | ||
| At great risk to my personal being. | ||
| There were many of these tale beings here. | ||
| And I'm going to say, from what I have discovered and talked about with elders, and this is my life, this is what I do. | ||
| And we seem to see that there's two periods, one about 800 years ago and one possibly 1,200 years ago, where there was tremendous evidences of genocides that took place here, mass burial grounds. | ||
| Possibly because of the stories, which were much more intact in everybody's consciousness then, because the civilizations weren't destroyed, the people weren't destroyed, the consciousness wasn't destroyed. | ||
| I mean, when Columbus came over, we lost whole races within a matter of a few years because of disease. | ||
| Very quickly. | ||
| But, yes, and that their fear was that what would come, because the pale ones would come from across the water and bring this great destruction, that this is the reason why these genocides happened then. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Robert, hold it right there. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Robert goes forth. | ||
| It's been a very long time since we've had him on the air. | ||
| Robert, welcome back. | ||
| How's it going? | ||
| Well, it's going great. | ||
| As you see, picture 18. | ||
| Let's see, picture 18. | ||
| See, people are hitting the websites like crazy. | ||
| I'm telling you, this is going to shake up the world. | ||
| Maybe it needs a shaking. | ||
| Yeah, maybe it needs shaking. | ||
| It's going to take me a minute to find 18. | ||
| I mean, 19. | ||
| 19. | ||
| Got it right in front of me. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We were talking about that earlier. | ||
| That's the one with the cross, along with so much more. | ||
| So much more. | ||
| Reminds me of what our guest was speaking about in New Mexico. | ||
| Yeah, it does, doesn't it? | ||
| It's going to be real hard for people to realize that it's all one thing, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, you know what's going to happen? | ||
| You're going to really get attacked. | ||
| You know, I can see from all of this presentation, you're going to get attacked, Robert. | ||
| I guarantee it. | ||
| I'm not new to that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But this is going to shake like you said. | ||
| We had to get it out. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Goeswolf. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Oh, am I on? | |
| Yes. | ||
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Okay, this is John Collins from Fort Collins, Colorado. | |
| Hi, John. | ||
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I don't know if Robert's aware of this particular site, but if he is, he might be able to tell me a little bit on this. | |
| I was wondering if, Robert, if you thought that maybe the medicine wheel north into the Bighorn Mountains in northern Wyoming might predate, I guess, the advent of the Native American groups that live there now. | ||
| Or I guess lived there before the coming of the whites. | ||
| It's so old that they don't know where it came from. | ||
| And again, it's a, I believe it's a mathematical calculator. | ||
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I don't know how old do, what's the oldest that people data are at, perhaps? | |
| From my understanding, I think it's well over a thousand years old. | ||
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Okay, well, thank you very much. | |
| All right, sir. | ||
| Thank you, and take care. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Hello, Art. | |
| Hello, Robert. | ||
| This is William from Portland, listening on KEX. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Robert, first I'd like to say thank you for your perseverance in bringing these things to light so that we may all share them. | |
| And I had a comment and a question, please. | ||
| First, I hope that you are taking precautions considering the unfortunate Dr. Reed and what he's gone through recently. | ||
| I don't know if you're aware of that, but the powers that be will probably not be very happy with what you're bringing up. | ||
| So I hope that you're being careful. | ||
| Yeah, not at all. | ||
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And also, I was wondering, can you give us a little hint of what else you think might be down there or possibly any advanced artifacts or machinery or anything? | |
| Yeah, that's a pretty good question. | ||
| If you were to speculate, Robert, about what else might be down there, what do you think? | ||
| Well, based on what I've seen in other locations, it's highly probable. | ||
| There's some pieces that I'll send you some photographs of that will explain that. | ||
| There's certain pieces that I found over there that, well, we found, there's no I in this, but that we found that the only other place that I've ever seen these markings were on the pieces from Roswell. | ||
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So you think there's a possible extraterrestrial connection? | |
| That would be the obvious conclusion. | ||
| I think we're going to find it. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Very good. | |
| Thank you, Art. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| East of the Rockies. | ||
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Oh, hi, Art and Robert. | |
| This is Bob in San Diego. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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I looked at both of your sites earlier this evening, just briefly. | |
| On Arts, I noticed you have mainly the artifacts. | ||
| And Robert, on yours, aren't there some external shots of carvings in the hills, like Griffin or Sphinxy sorts of things, some cool things that are, you know, shots that you took of the area? | ||
| No, this isn't. | ||
| Oh, that was the Colorado. | ||
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Yeah, that's the one. | |
| That's the Colorado, an entirely different area. | ||
| That's a show we did, God, two years ago, Robert? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ready for a sequel, actually. | ||
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Yeah, so this is that you worked on. | |
| You worked on this for years with Speaking Wind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yes, he was a wonderful, wonderful man. | |
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Take care, sir. | ||
| First time calling online, you're on here with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
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Aloha, this is Stuart on Maui listening to KHVH out of Honolulu. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Hai's Real Radio 830. | |
| Thank you. | ||
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Aloha. | |
| Thank you, Robert, very much for the work that you're doing. | ||
| I'm delighted in what you're discovering, but I'm not surprised. | ||
| Reason being, there's a vast amount of evidence and information which has recently come to light, which offers a paradigm, including, I would say, a full explanation into which what you're discovering would fit. | ||
| And of course, I would be very anxious and appreciative if you could make time available. | ||
| I would like to share this with you and if it's ever appropriate with the Art Bell audience. | ||
| Do you think what is being discovered here will be spread, the news will spread, and that paradigms will shift or that it will be essentially in some way reburied? | ||
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I think it will spread and it will shift because I think increasing amounts of evidence will come forward. | |
| I have something very specific in mind which I won't introduce fully at the moment, but no, I think this will be reinforced. | ||
| I think it will be reinforced because evidence will come forward that there was a global civilization precursor to and predating everything that we know in the written history books today. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'd appreciate your input. | ||
| Send it along. | ||
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Well, thank you, sir. | |
| All right, take care. | ||
| Wild Guardline, you're on ease. | ||
| You're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hello, sir. | |
| Mr. Bell. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, this is Marcus here at Pistol Pack and Pagan in Portland, Oregon. | ||
| How are you doing, sir? | ||
| Dead and just fine. | ||
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Good. | |
| Long time to talk to you, sir. | ||
| Mr. Ghostwolf, my concern happens to deal with your mention of Kennewick Man controversies. | ||
| I was able to interview Steve McMallan and the Assetru Folk Assembly for my own radio show, which I host in a local community radio station here in Portland. | ||
| The follow-up to that alarms me and directly relates to the risk I think you're facing right now, in that the federal government followed up the Kennewick Man controversy by burying 800 tons of rubble on top of the Kennewick Mann site and stealing evidently both of the femurs from the Kennewick Mann remains in order to keep them from being subjected to scientific analysis. | ||
| And most recent development is Steve McNallen and the AFA and his Medifact Odinic followers generally have now been targeted under Operation Megado by the FBI as potential terrorists. | ||
| What concerns me is the fact that if you have now opened up a site which makes that tale by comparison, you have set yourself and anybody else who threatens the existing world paradigm with even graver consequences. | ||
| I agree. | ||
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This is too precious a site to allow the federal government, the FBI, the Department of the Interior, or anybody else under the excuse of NAGPRAP to continue to suppress the truth. | |
| That's why he's not telling anybody right now where it is. | ||
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I think that is an excellent first step, but is there anything further that can be done to make sure that this does not get buried under 8,000 tons of debris? | |
| The only thing that I can answer that with is a long time ago, I spoke to an Indian grandfather who was me. | ||
| And he was bringing a lot of people down to watch the ceremony. | ||
| And I said, why are you doing this, grandfather? | ||
| And he said, because if I do this, then they will think Indian and we won't go extinct. | ||
| If they understand that what we're doing is not a game and that it is as important and as credible as what they do, then that way will not become extinct. | ||
| And I think that in this situation, and I've had many conversations with Daniel about this because I was very concerned about bringing it out, which is one of the reasons why I didn't say anything for so many months, because there's not just one, there's several of these sites. | ||
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You said there's a dozen of these sites in this country now between North and South America. | |
| Good heavens. | ||
| And the point was, it has to come out now. | ||
| And what is the difference? | ||
| If we bring it out and we bring it out in the light, or someone brings it out in the dark, they will bury it under 800,000 tons of rubble. | ||
| I've seen it before. | ||
| I think what the message has to get out, if it's in the consciousness, then maybe the people will say, no, you won't let this happen. | ||
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It's the same kind of thing that happened with the Miami Circle. | |
| People got up and they put their voice out, and it was not buried. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| They said, oh, no, you don't. | ||
| And I think that that's part of what we're trying to accomplish is please wake up and please say, no, you cannot do this. | ||
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You mentioned Roswell, too, as another odd connection of the symbology, which has cropped up in more than one place. | |
| I think that given the government's track record on its suppression of evidence from Roswell through the Marslanders to the archaeological ruins that they buried, there's a pattern of misinformation and disinformation that somebody on top and in some sort of a catalog or secret government somewhere has a vested interest in perpetuating. | ||
| And that is the real enemy. | ||
| The truth will out, hopefully, in time. | ||
| And gentlemen, I congratulate you both on your commitment to doing exactly that. | ||
| I thank you, sir. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| And Robert, we've only got time to get the information out again. | ||
| So, folks, through the eyes of the shaman, you're going to love it. | ||
| I've got it right here. | ||
| It is absolutely beautiful. | ||
| Author's original manuscript is what I'm holding. | ||
| Robert Ghostwolf, you can get an autographed copy. |
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