Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raith recount the 1996 Cascade Mountains encounter, where Reed’s dog attacked a non-human creature—its head imploding—before Reed captured tissue samples and blood, later analyzed as extraterrestrial by microbiologist Harold Chakan, revealing dolphin-like chromosomes. A ransacked Seattle home, stolen footage, and Reed’s gunpoint shooting in Canada followed, with threats escalating despite his refusal to sell evidence. Art Bell highlights systemic suppression, comparing Reed’s ordeal to Galileo’s persecution, while promoting The Alien in the Freezer ($19.95) and teasing Whitley Strieber’s involvement—underscoring a pattern of harassment against those challenging mainstream narratives on UFOs and extraterrestrial life. [Automatically generated summary]
What you're about to hear is one of the wildest alien abduction, not abduction, alien encounter stories told in the millennium.
Probably to rival the 1947 crash, or at least the way it's talked about in Roswell, and some additional occurrences since then that are controversial, incredible, hard to believe for many, impossible to believe for some.
Tonight we will offer additional evidence about what happened to Jonathan, Dr. Jonathan Reed in the woods.
It is an amazing, amazing story.
During the course of this program, we're going to have to kind of turn it around on you.
We will, sort of for forensic reasons, get Dr. Reed to give us a brief rendition of the story again.
But in the meantime, we've got some new information for you.
In a moment, Mr. Harold Chakan, who is a microbiologist and who examined, apparently, tissue samples or blood or bodily fluids or something or another from this alien, the famous alien in the freezer,
as it has become be known, is going to be here along with Dr. Reed and Robert Wraith, then Larry Arthur, who was a landlord, I guess, for Dr. Reed, and Sean Alanti, who is a MUFON member and has had a lot of contact with these gentlemen.
So, in addition to that, I have Dr. Reed's entire history here, and so I'll try to get to as much of all of this as we can and answer as many questions about all of this as we're able.
That's what's on tap for tonight, coming up in a moment.
Stay right where you are.
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I think I'd better open up with a letter that they sent me that got this show on the road.
It says, Dear Mr. Bell, thank you for helping to bring this story to the public.
As Jonathan Reid promised to you, here are the negatives of the obelisk and the alien being.
You may have them analyzed to prove once and for all that they are only ordinary 35 millimeter color negatives and that, in fact, they have not been altered in any way and have not been digitally enhanced or edited and are not computer generated.
In fact, I have those negatives here.
I'll hold them up for you and I have had them looked at.
And there appears to be nothing tampered with.
It goes on, though this analysis, through this analysis, it will conclusively prove that the photographs and negatives of the obelisk were not processed, not manufactured, nor manipulated in any kind of shadow box illusion or trick, as was previously claimed on the Art Bell Show.
Now proving that the photographic evidence of the obelisk craft is a full-size three-dimensional object that was in fact simply captured on film in the woods by Dr. Jonathan Reed and his camera.
Thus again proving once and for all that they are real and genuine photos of a strange anomalous object that was in fact truly there.
Previous analysis conducted by Eastman Kodak in New York.
Negatives enclosed, two 35 millimeter negatives in separate white envelopes.
I have them marked obelisk and one marked alien.
Each negative in a protective sleeve and should only be handled by professional technicians at all times.
Fingerprints.
Also, Jonathan has given his permission for you art to scan and post on your website the enclosed never-before-seen photographs of the alien link artifact.
And I have scanned those photographs and they are on the website right now.
He adds, please post a copyright as with the other photos.
We have done so.
He goes on, these photos illustrate its unique, unusual shape, hieroglyphic symbols, fascinating construction, and the black, organic-like undersurface with its protruding gold needles.
It also will illustrate size and dimension.
There are three photographs, and I have scanned all three, and they are on the website right now.
He goes on, a surprise guest, unparalleled exclusive on your show, Dr. Reed is willing to introduce you and your audience to Dr. Harold Chakan, C-H-A-C-O-N, a degreed microbiologist graduating with honors from Catholic University of Puerto Rico with a B.S. Master's Program certificate in the field of microbiology,
biomedical research in cell immunology, biochemistry and zoology, currently studying and residing here in the U.S. Mr. Chakan will help from his university have analyzed and documented in detail organic tissue and blood samples taken from the alien creature that Jonathan and his friend Gary were able to hide away and preserve.
Mr. Chakan's findings are ready to be released to the public and to the world on your show.
Now, there's more, but let us begin by seeing if everybody is present and accounted for.
So we're going to, because we have guests who have to get to bed early, we've got to get through some of the early evidence that we're going to present.
And so with us now is Harold Chakan.
Dr. Chakan, are you there?
Yes, I'm here.
Okay.
I guess at some point, and you can tell me when, Dr. Reed and Robert supplied you with tissue samples and what we call blood from this alien creature that they had.
Is that correct?
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Yes, that is correct.
Yeah, we communicate, and they supply me with samples.
Okay.
And first I heard about Dr. Reed's encounter last time they were on your show, actually.
Okay, there was actually three samples, tissue samples in biles, and there was one fluid that at the beginning, we cannot say exactly what it was at that moment, but after studying it, we realized that, yeah, we were working with blood.
Well, then let's proceed through matters as we should.
Mr. Chacone, what can you tell us about the analysis of the, I don't know if you want to call it skin, or tissue samples and or what's called the blood?
What have you found?
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Okay, at the beginning I received three, how I said, there were three tissue samples and one fluid that we called blood.
They were delivered to me in a small medical transport, like a freezer type.
It would look like if you tried to compare it with a small camping cooler.
Kind of like the sort of container they keep donated organs in where you keep blood and you keep it frozen so it preserves any type of sample.
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After I remove the top of the box and I open the inner seal, the seal that keeps the cold inside, because we use actually nitrogen.
Inside the box, there were samples wrapped in linen gauze, keeping them from banging to each other because they can broke and they can mix together and our problem will be bigger.
The last time we were on, I had not been in contact with Gary at all.
In fact, I asked people if they had any information or knew how to get a hold of him to get a hold of us.
About a month after we were on your show and we had given out an email address, we got an email from some folks who were inquiring if they could get a hold of us to talk about whether or not the Gary we were talking about was in fact my friend.
This was done very, very carefully.
These people were very cautious about whether or not I was actually a non-government type entity looking for Gary.
I made arrangements to go to him, which was a great distance away, and in fact, reunited with my old friend.
Now, there are many people who have said, well, you sent samples to a university to have studied and then I lost those samples because I went back to find them and there was no sign that they had ever been there.
But Gary and I during our nine-day ordeal took a lot of the evidence I had and split it up into groups and sent it in different directions.
From the samples, first, when we try to do the first one, after unfreezing them, they came in this closing packaging.
We have to freeze them.
I'll freeze them.
First sample, number one, apparently, was skin tissue, very actually skin tissue, and muscle tissue that was connected together naturally by means of growth.
Like would be normal in a human being that you have cutaneous and subcutaneous tissue, and they all grow in a pattern, and they grow attached together.
The first, when I saw the samples, they were really, really small.
They were actually like, to give you a close relationship, would be one fifth of a small pencil eraser.
They were really, really small.
Small, but enough to test them.
The first one, we consider the skin tissue that was viewed under the microscope, resemble what is called the superficial fascia or tough surface of the skin layer.
These reveal an extremely dense, leathery surface structure of cells set closely, very closely together in some uniform patterns of growth with about the same elasticity of human skin, I would say.
When we get back, we will explore those differences.
Everybody, hold on.
You're going to have to be listening very carefully tonight because we're going to be presenting a great deal of information that you're going to want to assimilate and check out.
Remember, this is something you can either believe and embrace as the facts unfold before you or dismiss.
That's up to you.
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It all comes from the same place, coast to coast, AM.
It is indeed my guests, Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Wraith, and Dr. Harold Chicong, a microbiologist.
And once again, so that you know, a reading from what was sent to me.
Dr. Chicon is a degreed microbiologist graduating with honors from Catholic University of Puerto Rico with a B.S. Master's Program Certificate in the field of microbiology, biomedical research in cell immunology, biochemistry, and zoology, currently studying and residing here in the U.S. And I'm not going to run my commercial break now.
We're going to go directly back to our guests.
And Doctor, if you would continue, please.
The tissue sample you said was not, had similarities to, but was in fact not human.
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Not human.
Okay, it was about 3 millimeters in thickness, very, very fibrous consistency.
There was no signs of any hair or hair follicules within the surface of the cell structure.
Absolutely no signs of it.
We found some subcutaneous tissue, that's the one that is under the surface, and that one has some sevaceous-like glands, those are the glands that produce usually fat.
The muscle, it's connected to this layer of skin, which resembles, this muscle resembles what is called the occipital frontalis muscle in human skull tissue.
It resembles, but it was kind of yellowish-pink in color.
In humans, it's usually red.
This one didn't have that red-red color.
In closer examination, there was another smaller, fine muscle that was intersecting this occipital muscle, resembling what is called the temporal fascia muscle in the humans.
The two are connected, and it was connected by tendinals and fatty fibrous tissue.
Well, I just want to be very clear for the audience that what we are describing here, the tissue, even the muscle sample, is close to in some respects, but different enough to be called absolutely non-human.
God, I want to stop you for just a second and remind my audience that in a recent significant interview we did on animal mutilations, they found missing from the cows what?
Copper.
The copper content, I think in the liver, if I'm remembering correctly, was almost entirely missing.
And it just keyed when you said that to me.
Fascinating.
So anyway, continue, please.
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Okay, when we keep sampling and testing it, we look for chromosomes because we're actually working with red blood cells.
And we're looking for more specific proofs and findings.
And when we did the chromosome study, it revealed that the red blood cells, or what we could be resembling red blood cells, they have a chromosome count of 46, exactly as humans.
This is very human.
We have 46 chromosomes too.
But what is really, really, really astonishing is that nine of those 46 chromosomes are not human.
Is there any way that you can imagine that any creature that we know of could carry such a chromosome structure?
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No, that is unique.
We check catalogs in many, many universities and we went through a lot of data and trying to find some relationships between these scientific findings with any animal that we know, that science actually knows in our planet.
Doctor, I'm just a layman, so I'm going to ask a layman-like question on behalf of the audience.
As you well know, people can tamper with photographs on computers and fake them.
Is there any way that you can see that anybody easily could have tampered with something at the molecular chromosome level to have produced this as a hoax?
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Okay.
In terms of the technology that humanity had right now, we can deal with genes.
Yeah, we can open DNA strands.
But as you know, even the human genome is not completely set right now.
So we don't even know our own DNA system completely.
We cannot say actually how many genes we have working for certain situations in our body.
So it's very difficult right now to temper something like this.
It would be very difficult to add a chromosome to a cell and keep it alive.
And especially a chromosome because you have to link them all together.
Chromosomes, they react to specific metabolic reactions in the body.
So right now, I would say that for humanity, it's impossible.
Then that must mean that, in your opinion, you examined tissue and muscle and blood, what we're calling blood, of a being not human and not of any mammal construction.
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Not human or any mammal that we have seen or we have ever cataloged in science.
In the samples that Dr. Reis gave me, there was, apparently, he put the sample from one to four, but in fact, there were five.
One of the vials actually contained two tissue samples stuck together due to their growth relationship.
It's normally that they grow together.
So when Dr. Reis took this sample thinking that it's just a single thing, he took two, actually.
That second sample consists of what it would be brain matter.
In this case, that would be the third sample.
It resembles what is called the dura and the pia matter of the human brain.
It resembles them.
This tissue is a very fine vascular membrane which cushions the brain against the skull.
It will be like the folding.
It will be like a bag that the brain is actually floating inside this bag.
And it protects it against the direct contact with the skull bone.
This lining, we should call, extends over the entire surface of the gray matter of the brain.
So this is covering the whole brain.
In this case, what's a dense unelastic and fibrous material lining the skull inside?
Below this tissue, we found what is called the superacnoid space tissue, and it's like a spongy or a jelly-like tissue consisting of a delicate connective fibrous material, meshy.
Within humans, it's called the superacnoid fluid.
We found this to be a similar material, but unlike in humans, it contains large, really, really large nerve endings and oval or sometimes round surfaces.
These nerves are totally different and foreign to anything even closely relating to the human nerve tissue and our anatomy.
This is completely different.
The arrangement is completely different on our nerves.
Another really interesting finding is that under closer examination, this tissue area did not at all resemble human tissue.
In more closely study, the cranial membrane resembles probably the one of a reptilian type animal.
Because it has a much different structural anatomy.
The only part that we have from this sample was what would be considered the external or the molecular layer.
Okay.
The fascinating and unique differences found in this sample was the discovery of some angular and tubular straw-like open membranes, like little connecting tubes.
Now they are completely wrapped in nerves and connecting fibers.
These little tubes are protruding up and through the base of the molecular layer.
So they're coming out of this layer in the brain.
I should say the brain cells.
They're randomly looping over the top of the cortex, only to descend back into the surface.
What will be the convolution versus the surface?
And they're embedding directly into the cells of the body of Purkinje.
The Purkinje cells are the ones that are related to the electrical capacity in the human brain, and they work as an isolation material.
These cells are actually attached to the axon of the dendrite.
These are nerve cells.
But in this case, there was a different structure that we don't know.
We haven't seen, never seen this connection before.
And as for the other two of you, Dr. Reed and Robert, hold on a moment.
Let me take care of what I've got to do here.
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I'm sure I can't wait to see whether we're headed for a little bump in the road or a big crash.
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Now, I'm a little bit behind trying to catch up here.
Bear with me.
will be right back All right, back down to my guests, Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith.
And Dr. Reed, your house was ransacked in Seattle, wasn't it?
That is part of your story that a lot of people had some doubts about.
And so when we come back from the break, we're going to try to get on your old landlord, a man named Larry Arthur, in the Seattle area, who is prepared, apparently, to act as your witness for what occurred.
Everybody, we have photographs to substantiate everything we're talking about on my website right now.
Photographs of the alien.
Photographs of the alien artifact.
Photographs of the obelisk.
If you haven't heard the story before this night is over, you will hear it.
In the meantime, the photographs are on my website.
Go see for yourself.
It's all at www.artbell.com.
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When we come back, if we're lucky, we'll have Harold make that Larry Arthur here.
Stay right there.
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I can see you land back in your seven dress.
In a room where you do what you don't confess.
Somedown, you better take care.
If I find you've been creeping round my backstairs, someday you better take care.
If I find you've been creeping round my backstairs, she's been looking like the children.
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The ninth day from day one when I brought the creature home.
I basically had been driving back to my house in the evening and realized that there were three large step vans parked in front of my house and people going in and out them with hand trucks with men dressed in like moving moving attire, like similar to a jumpsuit.
Right.
And I kept going and then later came back early, early in the morning to my house being just completely torn apart.
It was just as if a cyclone had gone through there.
Well, I know Jonathan to be probably one of the most steady and dependable people I've ever known.
And he was pretty shook.
And he had explained to me that something had happened recently on one of his weekend outings in the woods, that his dog, Susie, had been killed by something in the woods.
And what was interesting in the months that I was working on, in the time that I was working on the house after this event, there were some other small details.
Number one, there wasn't much trace.
You know, when you look around for, you know, like boot markings, footprints, what have you.
What was interesting in the couple of days following when I was out in the yard, and this was really weird, different spots of the yard had what I would describe as what looked like quarter-inch holes.
And it looked to me like somebody had actually taken a rod or something and had probed parts of the yard.
What kind of force would it have taken to do that?
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Well, I'd say that it definitely took more than one person to do it.
And basically, I would say a couple of people with some pry bars and pry bars, some tools, you know, to get them to pound the pry bars in past the door framing and to lever it out.
And if you recall, too, Art, when Jonathan was going down his street in his neighborhood, his previous neighborhood, he saw these individuals busy at work, and he got out of there.
MUFON is certainly a very well-respected organization, so you'll be adding quite a bit here.
Go right ahead.
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Okay, well, it started on October 19th, actually, when Rob, who is the director of San Diego UFO Society, came over to my house and mentioned that he knew somebody or knew of this story, that somebody had some alien photos and alien video, you know, photos of the alien and a craft, okay?
Right.
So, a couple days later, I meet the lady who knows Robert Graith.
Okay, they used to be neighbors.
She moved to San Diego.
He moved to Washington.
Her name is Chris.
As the process goes on, she goes up to Washington State about November 1st.
About November 1st, meets Jonathan, sees the video of the alien and the craft and other photos, comes back and is very impressed, okay, very convinced then.
About that time, they did not know what direction to go either in the beginning.
There was, I don't want to call it confusing, but indecision.
Then they decided to go on your show, and this is when you got the material, okay, in the mail, and you got the facts.
And I think it was November 11th is when they went on.
My guests at the moment, Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Raid, and Sean Alante, who is a MUVON member in San Diego, who was the liaison for the Alien in the Freezer story.
And we're going to get to that story, so those of you who have not heard it, hang in there.
One day I'm going to kill that sound for all of you.
Anyway, here comes the millennium.
Nobody knows what's going to happen.
Do you have food?
You ought to have.
Everybody is saying you ought to have some food stored away, and I've got a company that can still get you food.
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Nearly literally.
What is it, 22 days or something?
It's really, the countdown is on.
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If you make sure that you call your food orders to the J. Michael Stevens Group, get this, by December 28th, your food will be delivered before the new year.
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All right, once again, back to our guests, Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Wraith, and with us now, Sean Alante.
Sean, pronounce your last name for me again, please.
Now, I suppose people will say, well, maybe, okay, fine.
You've got the negatives, so they are real pictures, but maybe it was a prop, sort of like a movie prop or something.
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You know, but I do know that Chris went up and talked to Fox Network and Dick Clark Productions and Bob Civiette, and Jonathan had an offer, and he turned it down, an offer of quite a bit of money.
Well, the proposition that was presented to us was to basically let this tape be put into another program similar to the one that Bob Kiviat had produced.
And I did not want the sanctity and the quality of this to be cut up.
And Jonathan's information and what he's been through is absolutely proof of that.
You have individuals like Richard C. Hoagland, who is a great and wonderful individual.
You have Whitley Striber.
With all these other people, we know we are not alone, that there are aliens, there are creatures.
The test that Mr. Chacone did independently proved conclusively that there is another creature unlike anything science has ever witnessed, ever viewed, ever seen, ever catalogued.
Well, yes, but some paranoia is justified with what he's been through.
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And he mentioned, you know, when he got to the lecture hall, he says, well, I hope I don't get shot.
And I says, you're not going to get shot in front of, you know, all these witnesses.
So I assured him.
And, you know, just so people out there think this isn't a big act, you know, when he was on the lecture stand, you know, he was nervous and stressed, and you could see that, you know, everything came off fine.
And, you know, afterwards, you know, he says, man, is my stomach going, you know, wow, you know, like, those are all like, but those are emotional reactions that are important, though, okay, to me as a researcher.
And these reactions were pretty much shared by the other MUFON members that saw it?
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Well, they were pretty impressed, okay.
I mean, relatively, but I haven't been in touch.
I'm in touch with one of them.
I didn't get a chance to talk to him today.
But they're a little more into the hard evidence and analyzation, and that's been a little of the problem is that I think a lot of these type of people wanted to see the video analyzed, the photos analyzed, and the results.
1974 through 1976, with a grade point average of 3.0, Dr. Reed was at San Diego State University, San Diego, California.
Got a BA there, a teacher education certificate program.
He had a single major in teaching in the areas of science and physical education at the high school level, grades 10, 11, and 12.
And I should backtrack.
He was born in 1956 in Orange County, California.
In 1976 through 1980, he was at the University of California at Los Angeles, UCLA.
Ph.D. program in psychology, special education, study in neurotransmitters in human disorders of motor and cognitive function controlled through clinical modern drug therapies, sensory neural, a clinical study at Fernald Child Center.
That was, in fact, his doctoral dissertation, again with a grade point average of 3.8 in 1979.
He was at John Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, Children's Center under Dr. Frank Oski, that's OSKI, MD, working with National Research Award Program, National Institutes of Health, and the Study Grant Program.
His employment study slash study 1983 through 1996 was as follows.
The University of Washington, Seattle, University U of W Medical Center, Psychology Department, Clinical Research at Neuro Imaging, Cognitive Factor in Learning Disorders, Adolescent and Child Development Studies, Private Applied Grant Study Program, Research in Special Education, Development Psychology, and Child Development.
His degree is a Ph.D. in psychology, education, developmental, behavioral psychology.
His interests include hiking, sailing, travel, music, sports cars, cooking, photography, community politics, and life.
He was also, was, a member of the National Mental Health Association and the National Psychological Association.
Dr. Reed, does that adequately properly describe your background?
October 15th, 1996, I went for a day hike in the Cascade Mountain Range in Washington State, about 60 miles east of Seattle and about 15 miles northeast of Snoqualmie Pass.
That's in the Wilderness Lakes area, to be more specific.
But it was a beautiful October day.
I took my dog, Susie, which was a golden retriever, seven-year-old golden retriever, and we went out for a hike, for a run.
And we had done this many times before.
But this was especially a beautiful day.
It was still warm.
Some of the trees and the leaves were starting to change in color.
And it was a beautiful day.
I had a small day pack with me with a little bit of food, a little dog food, some safety supplies, but a camera, my camcorder, because occasionally we'd see some wildlife.
And we'd seen some deer earlier.
And we just started walking.
And I was probably approximately an hour and a half to two hours away from where I had parked my car.
We had walked a great distance, probably five to seven miles.
And all of a sudden, my dog took off running, took off like a bolt of lightning.
And occasionally dogs will do that.
They will run and they'll chase raccoons or squirrels and you don't think much of that.
She took off and she was barking, really, really barking.
There was an anger to the tone.
And she went up a hill in front of me and I lost sight of her and I could still hear the barking going on.
And the barking changed from just chasing something to almost being involved or being mauled by something.
And at that point I thought it's either a cat or a bear.
And so I dropped my backpack, I grabbed a branch that was alongside of the trail, and I ran to the top of the ridge where I saw my dog involved with a fight with a creature.
And what I saw was a vibrating, undulating surface that looked about the size of a small child, but yet it wasn't a child.
And it was vibrating so fast that I could not see a definite outline of this being.
I could just barely make out the shape as if it was a vibrating shadow.
My dog had a hold of its arm, its left arm, and was tearing at its left arm.
And as I witnessed this, all of a sudden I saw this thing start to tear the head off of my dog, literally tearing her head, her jaws apart, ripping her skull right in half.
And at that moment, that thing turned around and looked at me, stopped vibrating for a moment, and then turned back and continued to do this.
And I lunged forward, took that club or branch, and swung as hard as I could and knocked that thing about four or five feet back.
Now that's essentially happened within 10 to 20 seconds, which some say, gee, that's not very, very long.
I just couldn't, my mind would not wrap around what I was looking at.
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Perhaps if this a small black hole, the small event horizon opened up in the middle of your body and you began to be sucked into yourself or into this hole.
And at that point, well, actually, at this point, we've got a break, so hold it right there, Dr. Wool, pick up this story.
And remember that I've got photographic evidence on the website of all of this right now for you to take a look at so you can judge for yourself, including new photographs that we're going to be talking about here in a few moments.
And I've got negatives of the photographs as well that have been analyzed by Eastman Kodak in New York, and that I've had looked at as well.
And I'm thinking of maybe even, I wonder if you can scan a negative.
I'm going to give it a shot here and see if I can do that.
So, my guests are Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raith.
The story will continue in a moment.
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Keith, you heard the permission given, so go ahead, as soon as you have received it, Keith, go ahead and post the negatives.
I don't know if that's even ever been done before, a scan of a negative, but I would like to prove to the audience that they are the legitimate negatives of the photographs that you can see, the full photographs that are scanned perfectly, I think.
He says humbly.
I've been scanning for quite a while now.
But we're going to get the negatives up there.
So there you've got it.
You have it, rather.
And if you want to go to my website here in a few moments, those negatives will be available for you to see.
So, in a moment, we're going to resume the story.
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All right, once again, everybody, the photographs and now the negatives as well, for whatever that's worth, I don't think we've ever done that before, are on my website or about to be at www.artbell.com.
And by the way, my guests also have a website up.
And before we resume the story, I want to get that address out.
This all took place at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
And about an hour had gone by in my calculation of just kind of crawling around, crawling away from this creature.
And all of a sudden, I started to realize that it seemed like all the sound was gone in the woods, like there was no birds or no air sound, just dead quiet.
And I thought how strange that was, because normally you hear sounds.
And I could hear something that almost wasn't there.
It was almost like a harmonic sound.
And at first I thought, well, maybe it's a camper or another hiker.
And I got really excited, you know, and stood up and kind of looked around and almost fell over again.
But then I realized it wasn't that kind of sound.
It almost made you feel like you had goosebumps.
It was just this hum, this harmonic hum.
And so I started walking down the trail two or three steps and then would fall down and then I'd get up and I'd crawl for a while and then I'd get sick and then I'd listen and there was nothing.
I couldn't find it and I thought, I'm imagining this.
I'm just losing my mind here.
And I'd turn around and again I would get this sound, almost like it was a directional vector that I could hear coming from one place.
And as I moved in one direction through the brush, I saw this dark-shaped object that I have called the obelisk.
And there was a lot of brush between me and it, probably 75 feet.
So I kind of walked around that brushy area down more toward the front of it, where I could actually see this three-dimensional, six-sided shape, like a marquee diamond laying on its side.
And it was approximately two and a half feet wide from top to bottom, about three and a half to four feet across from side to side, and about nine or nine and a half feet long in length.
I kind of got toward it, and it was giving off this strange humming sound.
And as I kind of walked down toward it, I kind of leaned part way against it, and I kind of Lost my footing, and as I touched it, I found that it was extremely cold.
It was cold like dry ice, and it was solid like granite, like polished granite or marble.
It had a definite shiny kind of surface that almost seemed to absorb the light, but it was a heavy tree canopy in this area.
And like I said, it was extremely cold.
I backed off really quick, but I noticed that when I touched it, the tone changed, the sound changed.
I thought, okay, I'll take this body, I'll throw the mylar blanket over it, and maybe pile rocks on the blanket around it so no animal will come and eat this thing.
Because the woods are full of animals.
And so that's what I started to do.
And I laid the blanket out and I attempted to roll this thing into the blanket, trying not to touch it at all.
The link artifact that we're going to tell you about in a moment, that photograph, actually photographs three of them, are on my website right now.
We also have the two negatives that I was talking about.
I had no idea you could scan negatives, but I did it instantly in the last hour.
And Keith has got them up.
They're all on my website now at www.artbell.com.
You'll also find a link to the aforementioned website of Dr. Reed's and Robert Race.
So you can go examine all of that right now.
We've got it up there for you.
You decide for yourself.
i've got a fax and i've got a million taxes actually but i've got one that i want to read in a moment All right, here is a fax from somebody I know, a physician who's a friend of mine.
Art, this poor Dr. Reed, here is a probably decent guy who had a real experience that he chose to go public with.
You can bet on one thing.
His life will never, ever be the same.
How about those lab results?
How about those photos?
I don't think those symbols are Masonic human beings tore up his residence, but the little guy in the freezer was not a human, nor was it a member of the Trilateral Commission.
All right, so, Doctor, we're short on time, and I want to get a lot out in this segment.
So, you wrapped up the alien, burrito style, in this thing, and you started, and you got back to your car.
Well, at the time that I was at the site, and when I went to roll up the creature and hide it, I realized that about three feet away from its body, kind of buried a little bit under some ferns, was this shiny-looking object that was, at the time, had some dirt across it.
And I just reached down and picked it up.
I thought it was something maybe that a camper had left, or almost like a pop can, silver in color, about the same size.
And as soon as I got within, you know, my hand within about two or three inches of it, I realized it wasn't a pop can.
And I picked it up, you know, probably a real stupid thing to do, not knowing what it was.
It's one of the things that I took after all this happened, when this event was taking place and after I left my house in shambles, I had sent this away.
This was something that I had literally nailed away to myself somewhere else.
And I needed to get it looked at and get it verified, which I have done.
Well, it's never been cataloged, any of those symbols, and it has been looked at through many eyes, trying to understand if they have any earthly meanings.
Nobody, as of yet, has come up with anything other than, and this is kind of fascinating, there happens to be one of the symbols, which is the very small one.
And I'm not sure if the picture you have shows that.
The materials that it's made out of are really unique.
It's a radical mixture of silicone polymers, beryllium aluminum, which is a unique substance in itself, manganese, magnesium, zinc, copper, bismuth, gold, and other undetermined materials.
And then I thought, well, okay, the compressor's running, so that's okay.
And then I thought, well, maybe I've got rats in my garage because it was an exterior garage from the house.
And I thought, well, if that's the case, you know, I've got to get them out of here, or if the compressor's going out, I better start cleaning out my freezer or my refrigerator in the house.
Then, all of a sudden, here come what, for lack of a better name, I'll call the men in black, who ransack your house.
They take the alien, they take the freezer, they take the garage down, as we heard described earlier, and you're on the run, and somewhere here recently, Doctor, you got shot.
Once again, Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith are my guests.
And we're talking about the Alien in the Freezer story with a whole lot of supporting evidence.
If you want to see it and or hear it, it's all on the web on my website right now at www.artbell.com.
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Examine the photographs.
The scans of the negatives, which I don't think anybody has ever done before.
I did that on the spur of the moment.
And of course, the associated sound clips, one of which is the scream of that alien when it sat straight up in the freezer.
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I was shot, and the unique thing of what happened during this moment was the gun went off, and the gentleman that had his face in my face looked really surprised.
And then stood back up very calmly and very slowly, looked around, took the gun, put it underneath his, like a jogging suit jacket, holstered it, and walked away.
All right, so we've presented an awful lot of evidence tonight.
I don't know what people are going to think of it.
There's no way to know what people are going to think of it, but it is pretty solid evidence, medical evidence, evidence from your landlord, evidence from a MUFON person who has seen what the rest of the public has not seen.
I would like to take some calls from the public and let them ask you questions if you're up for that.
Well, just that this is an ongoing struggle to try to deal with just me wanting to tell a story.
You know, something happened to me, and isn't it interesting that if none of this is true, why do people keep driving us off the road, taking the things that I have?
This website is independently run and owned, not by Robert or myself.
It is done by another gentleman who is just a fabulous computer guy.
We call him the web author, Cole the Web Author.
Without him, we would not be worldwide, just like yourself art.
But this website has told people this story.
The whole story is up there of what happened in chronological order.
But we had pictures, similar pictures to what you have, but different pictures, more pictures.
People took them and stole them off the web, reproduced them, and somebody called me who was visiting Italy and said, did you know these pictures are being distributed in a booklet?
I think one of the reasons that you get a very angry reaction to your story is because it's so well documented.
In other words, most stories of this kind are just sort of told, and you've got to believe this.
You've got to believe a description.
You've got to believe this or that.
With your story, you've got photographs, you've got physical evidence, you've got witnesses, you've got a lot, and so it's such a strong story that for those who don't believe in this sort of thing, they get angry.
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They get absolutely curious because they're grasping at fumes.
What was that fact that came over your show the other day when Richard was on your show about, well, this can't be real.
Well, you damn well better believe that there's a rogue element that is keeping us all blind to the real truth that's going on.
And I've held those people in front of me.
I know they're real.
This is not a fallacy.
This is a reality.
And you people out there, and a lot of you know, I mean, a lot of the people, I've talked to hundreds of people, they know the truth, but they're scared to death.
And the incredible story of the Alien in the Freezer, which doesn't really do justice to all that happened, but people tend to sort of wrap things in short form, and that's what they call it, the Alien in the Freezer story, is what we're talking about.
If I could, I'd like to add something about that last call.
Yeah, sure.
The interesting thing is whenever science or theocracy or religion is challenged, it can have dire effects.
Giordano Bruno lost his life and Galileo his freedom by bringing new information to the world.
And to watch a person die in ignorance because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to come forward with what you know to be true is a very difficult life to lead.
And Jonathan was left between a rock and a hard place.
And he chose to be a stand-up individual and come forward with the information, much like Mr. Chacone and Larry, who came forward of their own initiative to give this information freely to the world tonight.
The law are for the majority of what I call the sheep, the rest of us, that follow in blind faith, thinking that everything is going to be fine and that everything we are told is the truth.
But what I wanted to relate to is I saw this disc come down, and it looked like it got a little dome thing on top, and it looked like it opened up, and it had like a fire-type flame coming out of the top, and it came down and hovered over the section of Forth and Royal Brome.
And when I got underneath it, I was on my motorcycle.
It felt like it was like gravity coming down in reverse, and it looked like there was a little TV screen in the front of the thing.
But when I saw the picture, I was thinking that, you know, whatever was inside that thing had to have been, you know, one of the same kind of creatures he was looking at.
Now, later on, when I was, I lived up in the Fremont area of Seattle at the same time, I went down by Gasworks Park, and I saw these weird-looking red eyes with these sparkles coming out of it.
It was like they were following me around or something.
Now, I don't know exactly how, you know, I've read a few books on this stuff, but, you know, it completely disrupted my life after I saw this thing.
Well, I don't know if it's been such a good idea or not, but like I was trying to say earlier, and I apologize for getting so emotional, but I did this because I felt my friends had helped me, and I watched them one by one basically drop away from me.
And I am left with this legacy to know that because of what I did, I affected and impacted their lives.
And that can't be changed.
And at this point, I don't want to have them be gone for nothing.
I want this to mean something for what they at least tried to do for me.
And I don't care if anybody doesn't believe this, but I know a lot of people do.
A lot of people have seen things like this and are being quiet about it because they've been threatened or they're scared to death.
Well, it's about time somebody said this stuff is happening.
Do you think the entire incident, Doctor, with the alien, when it began with your dog, if it had not begun that way, if the alien had not been attacked by your dog, if the alien had not attacked back, if you hadn't reacted in the way you had, if everything had been different and there had been an encounter, do you think it would have all come out in a different way?
Well, I definitely think it would have been different.
But one of the biggest things that I've learned by talking to other people who have experienced similar things, and we're saying similar creatures, and people who have been in the know of this information, like people like Whitley Straeber and Hein Massan from Mexico, and Jacques Vallée.
I've talked to these people.
I've listened to their stories.
They've listened to mine.
And I have said, would I have done this different?
What would have been different?
What could have been different?
Well, chances are, if it would have been one second later, I would have never seen this thing.
Because what might have happened, and this is speculation, but speculation with some degree of accuracy, if my dog had not have got hold of this thing's arm that may have had this link controller on it, the thing probably would have shifted into another dimension.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reith.
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Hello, Art Bill.
Hi.
Actually listening to this is kind of making me angry because you know you have had people on like Stephen Greer, Steve Bassett, Peter Gerston, so many of your guests, including Whitley Streeber, that have said, give us some concrete evidence.
My word, you've got it.
Gentlemen, are you working with any of these guys?
Are these guys working with you?
Are you sharing this information?
If you've ever going to have anything to break this open, don't you have it now?
The problem is some organizations are not as legitimate as what they want us all to believe.
Now, I won't mention any names or throw any mud.
Absolutely.
But I have had to carefully, painstakingly go to private individuals who I trusted, who I could find that would help me through this one step at a time.
And like I said, this is basically a team operation.
I've had tremendous support from your listeners, Art, who have kept me in their homes, who have fed me, who have loaned me their cars for months at a time, who have supported me.