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Dec. 9, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - J. Reed - R. Raith - The Captured Alien

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unidentified		Insight of the sand, the strength of the touch, something inside that we need so much.
		The sight of the touch, or the scent of the sand, or the strength of an oak leaves deep in the ground.
		The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
		Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
		We have all these things in our memories home and we use them to come to us.
		Yeah!
		Yeah!
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appropriately, isn't it?
		Because this began it all.
		The first facts I ever got from Robert Graith and Dr. Jonathan Reed said, hey, hey, Art, want to take a ride?
		That reminded me of the movie.
		Which reminded me of the show.
		Which reminded me to remind my announcer, Ross Mitchell, to do this.
unidentified		Want to take a ride?
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you're about to hear is one of the wildest alien abduction, not abduction, alien encounter stories told in the millennium.
		Probably to rival the 1947 crash, or at least the way it's talked about in Roswell, and some additional occurrences since then that are controversial, incredible, hard to believe for many, impossible to believe for some.
		Tonight we will offer additional evidence about what happened to Jonathan, Dr. Jonathan Reed in the woods.
		It is an amazing, amazing story.
		During the course of this program, we're going to have to kind of turn it around on you.
		We will, sort of for forensic reasons, get Dr. Reed to give us a brief rendition of the story again.
		But in the meantime, we've got some new information for you.
		In a moment, Mr. Harold Chakan, who is a microbiologist and who examined, apparently, tissue samples or blood or bodily fluids or something or another from this alien, the famous alien in the freezer,
		as it has become be known, is going to be here along with Dr. Reed and Robert Wraith, then Larry Arthur, who was a landlord, I guess, for Dr. Reed, and Sean Alanti, who is a MUFON member and has had a lot of contact with these gentlemen.
		So, in addition to that, I have Dr. Reed's entire history here, and so I'll try to get to as much of all of this as we can and answer as many questions about all of this as we're able.
		That's what's on tap for tonight, coming up in a moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I'd better open up with a letter that they sent me that got this show on the road.
		It says, Dear Mr. Bell, thank you for helping to bring this story to the public.
		As Jonathan Reid promised to you, here are the negatives of the obelisk and the alien being.
		You may have them analyzed to prove once and for all that they are only ordinary 35 millimeter color negatives and that, in fact, they have not been altered in any way and have not been digitally enhanced or edited and are not computer generated.
		In fact, I have those negatives here.
		I'll hold them up for you and I have had them looked at.
		And there appears to be nothing tampered with.
		It goes on, though this analysis, through this analysis, it will conclusively prove that the photographs and negatives of the obelisk were not processed, not manufactured, nor manipulated in any kind of shadow box illusion or trick, as was previously claimed on the Art Bell Show.
		Now proving that the photographic evidence of the obelisk craft is a full-size three-dimensional object that was in fact simply captured on film in the woods by Dr. Jonathan Reed and his camera.
		Thus again proving once and for all that they are real and genuine photos of a strange anomalous object that was in fact truly there.
		Previous analysis conducted by Eastman Kodak in New York.
		Negatives enclosed, two 35 millimeter negatives in separate white envelopes.
		I have them marked obelisk and one marked alien.
		Each negative in a protective sleeve and should only be handled by professional technicians at all times.
		Fingerprints.
		Also, Jonathan has given his permission for you art to scan and post on your website the enclosed never-before-seen photographs of the alien link artifact.
		And I have scanned those photographs and they are on the website right now.
		He adds, please post a copyright as with the other photos.
		We have done so.
		He goes on, these photos illustrate its unique, unusual shape, hieroglyphic symbols, fascinating construction, and the black, organic-like undersurface with its protruding gold needles.
		It also will illustrate size and dimension.
		There are three photographs, and I have scanned all three, and they are on the website right now.
		He goes on, a surprise guest, unparalleled exclusive on your show, Dr. Reed is willing to introduce you and your audience to Dr. Harold Chakan, C-H-A-C-O-N, a degreed microbiologist graduating with honors from Catholic University of Puerto Rico with a B.S. Master's Program certificate in the field of microbiology,
		biomedical research in cell immunology, biochemistry and zoology, currently studying and residing here in the U.S. Mr. Chakan will help from his university have analyzed and documented in detail organic tissue and blood samples taken from the alien creature that Jonathan and his friend Gary were able to hide away and preserve.
		Mr. Chakan's findings are ready to be released to the public and to the world on your show.
		Now, there's more, but let us begin by seeing if everybody is present and accounted for.
		Dr. Jonathan Reed, are you there?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome back to the program, Doctor.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, and thanks for having us back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely great to have you.
		We have a complete bio on you, on your educational background, the whole thing, and we'll get to that later because a lot of people want it.
		Robert Raith, are you there?
unidentified		Right here, Arch.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Robert, how would you describe your relationship with Dr. Reed?
unidentified		We're very good friends now.
unidentified		Absolutely, very good friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Been through a lot.
unidentified		We have been through a lot of hell.
		Absolutely.
		One thing that I'd like to talk about later in some detail is the fact that it is not a rumor that, yes, Jonathan was shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't mentioned that to the audience yet, but yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jonathan, since the last broadcast, right, Robert?
unidentified		This was shortly after we had left San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shot as in shot with a bullet from a gun, that kind of shot.
unidentified		He was shot with a bullet from a gun.
unidentified		It went through his shoulder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we'll get to that story.
		So we're going to, because we have guests who have to get to bed early, we've got to get through some of the early evidence that we're going to present.
		And so with us now is Harold Chakan.
		Dr. Chakan, are you there?
		Yes, I'm here.
		Okay.
		I guess at some point, and you can tell me when, Dr. Reed and Robert supplied you with tissue samples and what we call blood from this alien creature that they had.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		Yes, that is correct.
		Yeah, we communicate, and they supply me with samples.
		Okay.
		And first I heard about Dr. Reed's encounter last time they were on your show, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's back up a little bit.
		Could you tell us a little bit about yourself, where you studied, even though I read that, and what your qualifications are to be doing this?
unidentified		Yes, I am a scientist.
		I study science from university.
		I graduate, and I'm currently in a program for a doctoral degree in science, too, in the field of science.
		But right now, that was not from the university that I graduate.
		That was here in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you receive the samples, doctor?
unidentified		These samples were given to me about June 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In June of 99?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you received exactly what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tissue and blood?
unidentified		Okay, there was actually three samples, tissue samples in biles, and there was one fluid that at the beginning, we cannot say exactly what it was at that moment, but after studying it, we realized that, yeah, we were working with blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you heard the original broadcast, so you knew the story.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then you were contacted independently by...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you contacted them?
unidentified		I contacted them.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Mr. Chacone emailed us in about April and was interested in doing this.
		And it was a process.
		I spent some time communicating with him.
		We talked via email for a while.
		I checked out his credentials.
		We then talked on the phone.
		And then finally, I met with him personally after all security measures had been met.
		We talked again, in great detail, about this case.
		And later, that's when Dr. Jonathan Reed and myself met him personally together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you met, and was it at that first meeting you gave him the samples?
unidentified		No, no, it was later on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Later on.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I think it should also be mentioned, Art, that I think Mr. Chacone was extremely skeptical at the onset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Dr. Reed, there are many skeptical of this story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know that, of course.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And that should be the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then let's proceed through matters as we should.
		Mr. Chacone, what can you tell us about the analysis of the, I don't know if you want to call it skin, or tissue samples and or what's called the blood?
		What have you found?
unidentified		Okay, at the beginning I received three, how I said, there were three tissue samples and one fluid that we called blood.
		They were delivered to me in a small medical transport, like a freezer type.
		It would look like if you tried to compare it with a small camping cooler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like the sort of container they keep donated organs in where you keep blood and you keep it frozen so it preserves any type of sample.
unidentified		After I remove the top of the box and I open the inner seal, the seal that keeps the cold inside, because we use actually nitrogen.
unidentified		Inside the box, there were samples wrapped in linen gauze, keeping them from banging to each other because they can broke and they can mix together and our problem will be bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And then the samples were analyzed.
unidentified		We're analyzed through a microscope, what is called a transmission microscope, and we are analyzed through the electron scanning microscope too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I should ask Dr. Reed about how these samples were obtained.
		Doctor, did you draw blood, as it were?
		Is that how you got the sample?
		And with regard to the tissue, how did you get that?
		Did you scrape it or cut it or what?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, the samples were obtained, first of all, during our, what shall I say, clinical close-up analysis with Gary and I, my friend Gary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the time during which those photographs were taken.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Okay.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And the wound on the creature's head was definitely open and accessible.
		And there was fluid draining at the time.
		So we were just able to literally scrape it up and put it in a vial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the same deal, I assume, with the tissue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would have been loose tissue.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		There was some ragged edges to the wound, and I actually cut some off with my X-Acto knife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, folks, you can see all that, by the way, on my website in the photographs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can actually see the wound on the alien.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to add one thing, Art, at this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		The last time we were on, I had not been in contact with Gary at all.
		In fact, I asked people if they had any information or knew how to get a hold of him to get a hold of us.
		About a month after we were on your show and we had given out an email address, we got an email from some folks who were inquiring if they could get a hold of us to talk about whether or not the Gary we were talking about was in fact my friend.
		This was done very, very carefully.
		These people were very cautious about whether or not I was actually a non-government type entity looking for Gary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		We made arrangements and I sent someone to verify, in fact, that this was my friend, Gary, because at the time I was very skeptical of everybody.
unidentified		And you can well imagine why, too, after all he's been through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course I can.
unidentified		It was quite a process with these individuals because they were concerned about Gary's safety and who is this Dr. Reed?
		Is this really Dr. Reed?
		Is he really his friend?
		So it was quite a communication time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understand.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		We made the contact.
		It was Gary.
		We did verify this.
		I made arrangements to go to him, which was a great distance away, and in fact, reunited with my old friend.
		Now, there are many people who have said, well, you sent samples to a university to have studied and then I lost those samples because I went back to find them and there was no sign that they had ever been there.
		But Gary and I during our nine-day ordeal took a lot of the evidence I had and split it up into groups and sent it in different directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		One of the samples that we had sent, Gary mailed unknowingly to me, to these people.
		They took it, did what they have to, and preserved it.
		The samples that were tested is what Gary had sent away.
		Otherwise, we wouldn't have anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right.
		Dr. Scone, again, you got the samples.
		You began the testing.
		What did you find?
unidentified		Okay.
		From the samples, first, when we try to do the first one, after unfreezing them, they came in this closing packaging.
		We have to freeze them.
		I'll freeze them.
		First sample, number one, apparently, was skin tissue, very actually skin tissue, and muscle tissue that was connected together naturally by means of growth.
		Like would be normal in a human being that you have cutaneous and subcutaneous tissue, and they all grow in a pattern, and they grow attached together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The first, when I saw the samples, they were really, really small.
		They were actually like, to give you a close relationship, would be one fifth of a small pencil eraser.
		They were really, really small.
		Small, but enough to test them.
		The first one, we consider the skin tissue that was viewed under the microscope, resemble what is called the superficial fascia or tough surface of the skin layer.
		These reveal an extremely dense, leathery surface structure of cells set closely, very closely together in some uniform patterns of growth with about the same elasticity of human skin, I would say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same elasticity.
unidentified		Same elasticity of human skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it in fact human skin?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, it's got some differences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		When we get back, we will explore those differences.
		Everybody, hold on.
		You're going to have to be listening very carefully tonight because we're going to be presenting a great deal of information that you're going to want to assimilate and check out.
		Remember, this is something you can either believe and embrace as the facts unfold before you or dismiss.
		That's up to you.
unidentified		It all comes from the same place, coast to coast, AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
		Stay right where you are.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed my guests, Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Wraith, and Dr. Harold Chicong, a microbiologist.
		And once again, so that you know, a reading from what was sent to me.
		Dr. Chicon is a degreed microbiologist graduating with honors from Catholic University of Puerto Rico with a B.S. Master's Program Certificate in the field of microbiology, biomedical research in cell immunology, biochemistry, and zoology, currently studying and residing here in the U.S. And I'm not going to run my commercial break now.
		We're going to go directly back to our guests.
		And Doctor, if you would continue, please.
		The tissue sample you said was not, had similarities to, but was in fact not human.
unidentified		Not human.
		Okay, it was about 3 millimeters in thickness, very, very fibrous consistency.
		And the surface was kind of light grayish brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Extremely transparent.
		Much more transparent than human skin.
		Much more.
		There was no signs of any hair or hair follicules within the surface of the cell structure.
		Absolutely no signs of it.
		We found some subcutaneous tissue, that's the one that is under the surface, and that one has some sevaceous-like glands, those are the glands that produce usually fat.
		But half as many as we found in the human skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Half as many.
unidentified		Half as many.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Are any of these findings consistent with any other living mammals on earth that you know?
		No?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Probably the one that could be most related, probably, in some ways, not completely, could be the reptile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reptile, reptile.
unidentified		But not completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But enough difference, so it definitely was not earthly reptilian.
unidentified		No, it's not an earthly reptile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me this is tissue from a creature from other than Earth?
unidentified		From, I don't know, because this is a tissue sample from nothing that we have any data collected on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You also received a blood sample, or what we are calling blood.
unidentified		What we used to call, yeah, exactly, blood.
unidentified		Besides that one, besides that skin tissue sample, we have another muscle sample, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A muscle sample?
unidentified		It was, yeah, attached to it.
		The muscle, it's connected to this layer of skin, which resembles, this muscle resembles what is called the occipital frontalis muscle in human skull tissue.
		It resembles, but it was kind of yellowish-pink in color.
		In humans, it's usually red.
		This one didn't have that red-red color.
		In closer examination, there was another smaller, fine muscle that was intersecting this occipital muscle, resembling what is called the temporal fascia muscle in the humans.
		The two are connected, and it was connected by tendinals and fatty fibrous tissue.
		That was similar to humans.
		That is very similar to humans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very similar to humans.
unidentified		So similar it would be human?
		Well, not necessarily, no.
		No, because the samples get some situations that probably resemble human skin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		Some arrangements, but not completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just want to be very clear for the audience that what we are describing here, the tissue, even the muscle sample, is close to in some respects, but different enough to be called absolutely non-human.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, completely.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Non-human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, on to the blood, or what we call the blood.
unidentified		Okay, there's a sample that we call, at that time, we call it the blood.
		This was really, really, really interesting.
		The sample was dry.
		When you put it through the freezing, you put it into contact with really low temperatures.
		Usually, liquid tissue, because blood is considered a liquid tissue, they get really dry.
		And we have to rehydrate that tissue again.
		We rehydrate the tissue with saline solution.
		And at that time, we're going to be able to study the cells.
		And is there a difference?
		The general findings, when we tested it, reveal a level of oxygen and carbon dioxide and nitrogen-based gases.
		But with a slight difference.
		In this case, there was a high copper sulfate traces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Copper sulfate?
unidentified		Yeah, copper sulfate, really, really high traces of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Copper sulfate.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		The copper sulfate traces, there were white and red-black corpuscles, what they're called copuuscules, with elongated nucleus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, I want to stop you for just a second and remind my audience that in a recent significant interview we did on animal mutilations, they found missing from the cows what?
		Copper.
		The copper content, I think in the liver, if I'm remembering correctly, was almost entirely missing.
		And it just keyed when you said that to me.
		Fascinating.
		So anyway, continue, please.
unidentified		Okay, when we keep sampling and testing it, we look for chromosomes because we're actually working with red blood cells.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we're looking for more specific proofs and findings.
		And when we did the chromosome study, it revealed that the red blood cells, or what we could be resembling red blood cells, they have a chromosome count of 46, exactly as humans.
		This is very human.
		We have 46 chromosomes too.
		But what is really, really, really astonishing is that nine of those 46 chromosomes are not human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nine are not human?
unidentified		Nine are not human.
unidentified		But they're only found in dolphins and some aquatic sea tortoises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But these nine chromosomes are found in dolphins and some aquatic seed tortoises?
unidentified		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		This is the only data that we have that resemble this type of chromosome that we found in these plots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way that you can imagine that any creature that we know of could carry such a chromosome structure?
unidentified		No, that is unique.
		We check catalogs in many, many universities and we went through a lot of data and trying to find some relationships between these scientific findings with any animal that we know, that science actually knows in our planet.
		And we couldn't find any way to fit it.
		That was impossible to fit for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are astounding findings.
unidentified		That is really impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you shared these with colleagues?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		It was really impressive.
		They dropped from their seats, actually.
		In the sampling, we used what is called gel electrophoresis.
		And it's a technique that we use for sampling genetical material and chromosomes.
		They have the genetic material.
		And at this time, the only thing that we could find that it was closely resembling those nine chromosomes were dolphins only.
		Dolphins are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I'm just a layman, so I'm going to ask a layman-like question on behalf of the audience.
		As you well know, people can tamper with photographs on computers and fake them.
		Is there any way that you can see that anybody easily could have tampered with something at the molecular chromosome level to have produced this as a hoax?
unidentified		Okay.
		In terms of the technology that humanity had right now, we can deal with genes.
		Yeah, we can open DNA strands.
		But as you know, even the human genome is not completely set right now.
		So we don't even know our own DNA system completely.
		We cannot say actually how many genes we have working for certain situations in our body.
		So it's very difficult right now to temper something like this.
		It would be very difficult to add a chromosome to a cell and keep it alive.
		And especially a chromosome because you have to link them all together.
		Chromosomes, they react to specific metabolic reactions in the body.
		So right now, I would say that for humanity, it's impossible.
		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then that must mean that, in your opinion, you examined tissue and muscle and blood, what we're calling blood, of a being not human and not of any mammal construction.
unidentified		Not human or any mammal that we have seen or we have ever cataloged in science.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Art asking about the other tissue samples.
unidentified		You ask them more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you go in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ask them.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		What are they?
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Talk about the cranial tissue.
unidentified		Yeah, that is very interesting, too.
		This is the other findings that I'm going.
		In the samples that Dr. Reis gave me, there was, apparently, he put the sample from one to four, but in fact, there were five.
		One of the vials actually contained two tissue samples stuck together due to their growth relationship.
		It's normally that they grow together.
		So when Dr. Reis took this sample thinking that it's just a single thing, he took two, actually.
		That second sample consists of what it would be brain matter.
		In this case, that would be the third sample.
		It resembles what is called the dura and the pia matter of the human brain.
		It resembles them.
		This tissue is a very fine vascular membrane which cushions the brain against the skull.
		It will be like the folding.
		It will be like a bag that the brain is actually floating inside this bag.
		And it protects it against the direct contact with the skull bone.
		This lining, we should call, extends over the entire surface of the gray matter of the brain.
		So this is covering the whole brain.
		In this case, what's a dense unelastic and fibrous material lining the skull inside?
		Below this tissue, we found what is called the superacnoid space tissue, and it's like a spongy or a jelly-like tissue consisting of a delicate connective fibrous material, meshy.
		Within humans, it's called the superacnoid fluid.
		We found this to be a similar material, but unlike in humans, it contains large, really, really large nerve endings and oval or sometimes round surfaces.
		These nerves are totally different and foreign to anything even closely relating to the human nerve tissue and our anatomy.
		This is completely different.
		The arrangement is completely different on our nerves.
		Another really interesting finding is that under closer examination, this tissue area did not at all resemble human tissue.
		In more closely study, the cranial membrane resembles probably the one of a reptilian type animal.
		Because it has a much different structural anatomy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, doctor, we're very short on time.
		You've given us a very great deal of information.
		Is there anything else critical to get out before we move on?
unidentified		Yes, it's something really, really interesting.
unidentified		We found some new structures inside the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New structures?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New structures.
unidentified		The only part of the brain, you know that the brain has got certain convolutions when you look at the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		The only part that we have from this sample was what would be considered the external or the molecular layer.
		Okay.
		The fascinating and unique differences found in this sample was the discovery of some angular and tubular straw-like open membranes, like little connecting tubes.
		Now they are completely wrapped in nerves and connecting fibers.
		These little tubes are protruding up and through the base of the molecular layer.
		So they're coming out of this layer in the brain.
		I should say the brain cells.
		They're randomly looping over the top of the cortex, only to descend back into the surface.
		What will be the convolution versus the surface?
		And they're embedding directly into the cells of the body of Purkinje.
		The Purkinje cells are the ones that are related to the electrical capacity in the human brain, and they work as an isolation material.
		These cells are actually attached to the axon of the dendrite.
		These are nerve cells.
		But in this case, there was a different structure that we don't know.
		We haven't seen, never seen this connection before.
		This is truly a new discovery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I don't know how to thank you for delivering all of this astounding information to us.
		I really appreciate your report.
		We're woefully short on time.
		We have so much we have to get to tonight.
		But, Doctor, thank you, and I would love to see a written summary of your findings, as I'm sure the audience would.
unidentified		Yeah, there's going to be information to be publicized shortly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, I'm going to say thank you and good night to you.
unidentified		Thank you very much, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as for the other two of you, Dr. Reed and Robert, hold on a moment.
		Let me take care of what I've got to do here.
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		I'm sure I can't wait to see whether we're headed for a little bump in the road or a big crash.
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		Whether your family is excited or afraid depends totally on how well you plan for your needs.
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		Bear with me.
		will be right back All right, back down to my guests, Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith.
		And Dr. Reed, your house was ransacked in Seattle, wasn't it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is part of your story that a lot of people had some doubts about.
		And so when we come back from the break, we're going to try to get on your old landlord, a man named Larry Arthur, in the Seattle area, who is prepared, apparently, to act as your witness for what occurred.
		Is that correct?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, finally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any idea why your house was ransacked, Doctor?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		They were looking for the evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The alien body, the artifacts, whatever.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Dr. Reed and Robert Wraith, hold on.
		Everybody, we have photographs to substantiate everything we're talking about on my website right now.
		Photographs of the alien.
		Photographs of the alien artifact.
		Photographs of the obelisk.
		If you haven't heard the story before this night is over, you will hear it.
		In the meantime, the photographs are on my website.
		Go see for yourself.
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		When we come back, if we're lucky, we'll have Harold make that Larry Arthur here.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		I can see you land back in your seven dress.
		In a room where you do what you don't confess.
		Somedown, you better take care.
		If I find you've been creeping round my backstairs, someday you better take care.
		If I find you've been creeping round my backstairs, she's been looking like the children.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like to remind all of you that the photographs documenting everything we're talking about tonight are on my website right now.
		These include new photographs never before seen.
		An object that will be described to you that has markings similar to those found in 1947 and claimed to be from the Roswell crash.
		Go look for yourself.
		It's a mindbender.
		My guests are Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Rate, the alien in the freezer story.
		Last hour, we heard from Dr. Harold Chikong that the blood samples and the tissue samples and muscle that he examined were not human samples.
		Repeat, without question, without question, not human samples.
		In a moment, we'll hear from Dr. Reed's, former landlord, about what happened up there.
		And we'll verify more of his story.
		So all of that coming up, stay right there.
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		The Trail of Evidence Well, all right, back now to my guests.
		Gentlemen, welcome back, Dr. Reed, Robert Rafe.
		And we are now joined by Larry Arthur.
		But first, Dr. Reed, when exactly, in the chronology of events in the story, was your house ransacked?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		The ninth day from day one when I brought the creature home.
		I basically had been driving back to my house in the evening and realized that there were three large step vans parked in front of my house and people going in and out them with hand trucks with men dressed in like moving moving attire, like similar to a jumpsuit.
		Right.
		And I kept going and then later came back early, early in the morning to my house being just completely torn apart.
		It was just as if a cyclone had gone through there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this was in the Seattle area where you lived?
		All right.
		Okay, a lot of people found that hard to believe, a kind of a men-in-black type story, coming to take away all the evidence.
		But we now know that some of it at least was saved thanks to the doctor in the last hour.
		We now have on the line Larry Arthur.
		Larry, how do you know Dr. Reed?
unidentified		Well, we met about 12 years ago through a mutual acquaintance and had a common interest at the time.
		It happened to be music.
		And, you know, just developed a friendship and a relationship.
		And I've been a landlord for about 15 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apartments, condos?
unidentified		What?
unidentified		No, just single-family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, single homes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		How did you, when did you hear from the doctor and how did you learn that something had happened to his house?
		How did that happen?
unidentified		Well, he called me and asked if we could meet at the house and we made arrangements to do that.
unidentified		I went over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had been his landlord for how long?
unidentified		About five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five years, all right.
		So he called you up and probably said, God, you've got to get over here and see this.
		Something awful's happened or something like that?
unidentified		Well, he didn't provide too many details over the phone, but he didn't sound like his usual self.
unidentified		And I must admit, in the 15 years that I've been a landlord, this was certainly the most bizarre thing I've ever come across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so over you went, and what did you find?
unidentified		Well, I don't know how to describe it.
		It certainly wasn't vandalism, but it looked to me like somebody was looking for something.
		I do a lot of remodeling, and in fact, after the fact, after this happened, I had been considering selling the house.
		This clinched that decision for me.
		It took me a couple of months working, you know, in my spare time, but I put quite a few hours in the house getting it ready for sale and cleaning up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how would you describe the condition of the house?
		I mean, were drawers torn open and emptied?
		Were things smashed?
		Was it a search that had gone on, in your opinion?
		Or what was the condition?
unidentified		Well, it was a mess inside.
		What was unusual to me was the house had attic access and it had a crawl space, yet somebody had cut an access right through the floor.
		They had also cut an access through the ceiling in a couple of spots.
		Really?
		Everything that had been hanging on the walls was gone, was off the walls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on the floor or just gone?
unidentified		Some things, there was kind of a central pile where things had been kind of piled in one spot.
		There were some things missing.
		All of the outlet, the electrical outlet covers were off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Yeah, all of the telephone outlet covers were off.
		The face to the electrical panel was off.
		The toilet had been lifted off of the wax ring and was sitting alongside the toilet.
		It was weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You, as a landlord, you probably went, good Lord, doctor, what have you done?
unidentified		Well, I was kind of dumbfounded, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Reed obviously was there.
		And how did he explain this to you?
		Did he say, I came home and I found this?
unidentified		Well, I know Jonathan to be probably one of the most steady and dependable people I've ever known.
		And he was pretty shook.
		And he had explained to me that something had happened recently on one of his weekend outings in the woods, that his dog, Susie, had been killed by something in the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he told you some of the whole story.
unidentified		Well, he was really reluctant to provide much detail at that time.
unidentified		He had some concern that he might be in some trouble, and he was kind of panicked, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, was he moving at that time?
		Did he want to get out of there?
		Or where did it go from there?
unidentified		Well, I had been considering selling the house, and this was kind of the capper, you know, for that.
unidentified		At that point, I fixed the house up, put it on the market, and sold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at that point, then, Dr. Reed, I take it you moved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got the hell out of there.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, there was nothing left of mine in the house except things that were torn apart.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Like the sofa had been just completely shredded, like somebody had been looking through the inside of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw that, Larry?
unidentified		I saw that.
		And what was interesting in the months that I was working on, in the time that I was working on the house after this event, there were some other small details.
		Number one, there wasn't much trace.
		You know, when you look around for, you know, like boot markings, footprints, what have you.
		What was interesting in the couple of days following when I was out in the yard, and this was really weird, different spots of the yard had what I would describe as what looked like quarter-inch holes.
		And it looked to me like somebody had actually taken a rod or something and had probed parts of the yard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
unidentified		Yeah, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what were you saying to Dr. Reed during all of this?
		You must have been saying, did you do this?
		Do you know who did it?
		How did you do it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		No, no, don't say that on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, don't then, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I get the idea.
unidentified		The first thing that came to my mind was to call the police.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, Doctor, what did you say?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I said that's his option, but I'm not going to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you were scared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was nothing of mine left worth even packing up.
		Everything that I had was gone.
		I mean, I had two fire filing cabinets that are, you know, five feet tall, that weigh about 800 pounds apiece that were gone.
		They were just gone.
		Things that I hadn't even unpacked for years.
		You know, you collect things, like boxes of books that you had in school.
		They were gone.
		Everything was gone.
unidentified		They cleaned that house out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cleaned it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else you want to add, Larry?
unidentified		Not really.
		We had talked about calling the police and basically came to an agreement.
		And Jonathan was fair with me.
		I figured out what it looked like my costs were involved.
		And he covered that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he covered it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you are definitely witness to everything he just talked about.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ransacking, the cutting of the sofa, the removing of all the plates and all the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A real clean job.
unidentified		Well, I'm a very conservative individual, and if I had not experienced something like this, I wouldn't have believed it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Larry, remember the garage door?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the garage door?
unidentified		Well, I had a fairly heavy duty.
		The garage door had some access to the inner yard.
		There was a typical garage door that you would drive a car through on the outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody should remember this is where the freezer was, where the alien being was kept, in the garage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So go ahead.
unidentified		Towards the inside of the yard, there was an access door.
		And it was a steel door, you know, not commercial steel, but like a Stanley metal door.
		Right.
		It had a very heavy-duty deadbolt on it.
		And it appeared that that had given them some trouble, whoever these people were, getting it open.
		So they removed the entire doorframe.
		The door frame was literally, door frame and the door was pried out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Literally torn out of the side of the garage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of force would it have taken to do that?
unidentified		Well, I'd say that it definitely took more than one person to do it.
unidentified		And basically, I would say a couple of people with some pry bars and pry bars, some tools, you know, to get them to pound the pry bars in past the door framing and to lever it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, why would that have been necessary?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine why?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only thing I can think of is they wanted access in there big time.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I think by that time, they knew that I had something in my garage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In your freezer.
unidentified		It was a little bit more of a secluded part of the house, too.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Once we went through the house, once I went through the house, of course, the freezer was totally gone from the garage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they took the whole damn freezer?
unidentified		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		We're talking a coffin-type freezer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, one of those big, long...
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And it wouldn't have fit through the door into the yard unless they took that out.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if that's why they did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And if you recall, too, Art, when Jonathan was going down his street in his neighborhood, his previous neighborhood, he saw these individuals busy at work, and he got out of there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do recall.
		And for those of you that have not heard the story, and I know there are some, we're working it backwards tonight to get these witnesses on the air.
		So, Larry Arthur, I want to thank you for being with us.
unidentified		You're welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Larry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Yes.
		Thank you very, very much, Larry.
		It takes some guts to come forward in a situation like this.
		I'm going to try and call, if I'm able, and this may be quite a trick, our last witness, who is, I'm going to do that as I'm speaking to you.
		And it's the only way I can do it.
		And then we're going to get to the whole story for those of you who may not have heard it.
		So let's see if we can get our last witness on the phone here.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this Sean?
unidentified		I'm Sean Alanti.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sean Alante.
		Sean Alanti.
		You are a member of MUFON, which is a mutual UFO network, right?
unidentified		That's correct.
unidentified		I'm also a MUFON field investigator and a certified hypnotherapist to regresses people that have abduction experiences or contact experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you explain your contact with Dr. Reed and how it progressed and what you know of this whole story?
unidentified		Okay, I can start at the beginning if you'd like.
unidentified		I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		MUFON is certainly a very well-respected organization, so you'll be adding quite a bit here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead.
unidentified		Okay, well, it started on October 19th, actually, when Rob, who is the director of San Diego UFO Society, came over to my house and mentioned that he knew somebody or knew of this story, that somebody had some alien photos and alien video, you know, photos of the alien and a craft, okay?
		Right.
		So, a couple days later, I meet the lady who knows Robert Graith.
		Okay, they used to be neighbors.
		She moved to San Diego.
		He moved to Washington.
		Her name is Chris.
		As the process goes on, she goes up to Washington State about November 1st.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sean, you're in San Diego, right?
unidentified		I'm in San Diego.
		About November 1st, meets Jonathan, sees the video of the alien and the craft and other photos, comes back and is very impressed, okay, very convinced then.
		About that time, they did not know what direction to go either in the beginning.
		There was, I don't want to call it confusing, but indecision.
		Then they decided to go on your show, and this is when you got the material, okay, in the mail, and you got the facts.
		And I think it was November 11th is when they went on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds about right.
unidentified		So then they were on, and he goes a week later, about a week later.
		So in the process, Chris becomes more involved.
		After those two shows, she wanted to go and contact people in the movie industry.
		And I actually was in the house once, Rob's house, when Dick Clark Productions called.
		I was interested in contacting somebody because San Diego Yofo Society became the contact point.
		You know that.
		It was at the end of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would give that contact point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		So, consequently, Chris received also a copy of the video of The Alien, which I got to see November 25th.
		Thanksgiving.
		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The public has not seen this video yet.
		They've seen the still photographs I've got on the website right now, but not the video.
		I've seen the video.
		You've seen the video.
unidentified		And about 110 people saw it in San Diego March 14th.
		And it is very impressive and very impactive.
		And I think to really judge this whole story, someone really needs to see that, okay, and meet Jonathan to really be a true judge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what did you see, what did you hear?
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, in the forest, you know, as he described, there's interference, okay?
		There's definite interference going on.
		It's jumping around in a sense.
		One very impressive thing, though, is that you do see the alien laying on the space blanket, and it's a bluish-gray color, at least from a distance.
		I guess it could be bluish-pink close up.
		Now, so we have two different colors of the alien here, and it changed, you know, obviously when it was in the freezer to a brownish color.
		Then you also see the obelisk from a distance, and it's jumping around also.
		So there's a lot of interference, and you do hear Jonathan breathing heavy, hyperventilating, and you do also hear him get sick.
		That's right.
		And when you switch to the garage, then I saw the examination.
		So you see the alien laying on the floor, and you see him open the mouth, and he moves the neck.
		That's right.
		And a lot of it's there now on the website, but there's one thing you can't really see really clearly in the photos that I thought was impressive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that?
unidentified		And that is through the skin, you can see the sections of the skull or the plates of the skull.
unidentified		And our skull was made up of sections, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Hold it right there for a second.
		We've got a break.
		We'll be right back.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. I did love the wind.
		I've made it to the top.
		I know.
		Daytime turns me off, but I don't mean maybe.
		Not the five babies, six years.
		When it's gonna run up to see my baby We get grooving when the sun goes down Art Bell is taking your calls from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Arkbell.
		Now, here again is Arkbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		My guests at the moment, Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Raid, and Sean Alante, who is a MUVON member in San Diego, who was the liaison for the Alien in the Freezer story.
		And we're going to get to that story, so those of you who have not heard it, hang in there.
		We're trying to get the evidence presented first.
		Well, what's going to happen in the year 2000?
		We don't know.
		We have no idea.
		Well, wait a minute, I've got to do this first.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One day I'm going to kill that sound for all of you.
		Anyway, here comes the millennium.
		Nobody knows what's going to happen.
		Do you have food?
		You ought to have.
		Everybody is saying you ought to have some food stored away, and I've got a company that can still get you food.
		Yes, it's metaphorically and nearly literally two minutes till midnight.
		Nearly literally.
		What is it, 22 days or something?
		It's really, the countdown is on.
		The bottom line here is if you want storable food, the jig is not quite up.
		If you make sure that you call your food orders to the J. Michael Stevens Group, get this, by December 28th, your food will be delivered before the new year.
		They can do it.
		And if you've been waiting and now you're sorry, well, here's your opportunity.
		Call them.
		1-800-377-0700.
		That's 1-800-377-0700.
		The days and the opportunity to do so is obviously growing very short, but they have hung in there with you 18 years in business in Salt Lake City.
		The J. Michael Stevens Group, they've got the food.
		If you want it, 1-800-377-0700.
		All right, once again, back to our guests, Dr. Jonathan Reed, Robert Wraith, and with us now, Sean Alante.
		Sean, pronounce your last name for me again, please.
		Atlante.
		I'm sorry.
		A-T-Love.
		A-T-L-A-N-T-I, all right?
		And you've been in MUFON for how long?
unidentified		Oh, about 11 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		11 years in MUFON.
		All right.
		So you've been interfaced with all of this evidence, a lot of which the public has not seen, specifically the videotape.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your assessment of it?
unidentified		Well, it's very impressive.
		Yeah, it's very impressive.
		I think it's real, and I think his whole story is real.
		And like I said, after I finally met Jonathan, March 14th, and March 13th, actually, I really decided fully that I believed his story totally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have you brought it to other MOFON members?
unidentified		Well, there were some MUFON members in the audience.
		The local section director was there, and I think the other section director was there also, and there were a number of MUFON members in the audience.
		I did call Walt Andres today, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Walt Andres, really?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And told him I was going to be on the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of the founding father of MUFON.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And he said that he did not endorse the story at this point in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has he seen the evidence?
unidentified		No, he hasn't.
		And that's the problem.
		A lot of people haven't seen the evidence, the video and everything.
		And now you're having a lot of this analyzed, the photos and everything.
		And like I said, I saw the photos of the obelisk also.
		I saw the side angles and close-ups that it's not a prop or anything.
		No.
		Or there's not a string hanging down and all the rest of those.
		No, no, no.
		It's clearly a three-dimensional object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Clearly.
		And the negatives are valid.
		Now, I suppose people will say, well, maybe, okay, fine.
		You've got the negatives, so they are real pictures, but maybe it was a prop, sort of like a movie prop or something.
unidentified		You know, but I do know that Chris went up and talked to Fox Network and Dick Clark Productions and Bob Civiette, and Jonathan had an offer, and he turned it down, an offer of quite a bit of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did that, Jonathan?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
unidentified		Why?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, the proposition that was presented to us was to basically let this tape be put into another program similar to the one that Bob Kiviat had produced.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I did not want the sanctity and the quality of this to be cut up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Compromised.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And if that was going to be the case, then I wouldn't sell it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I would produce it myself and let the public see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Decide for themselves in its true form.
unidentified		There was an offer from a gentleman in Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is this?
unidentified		This is Robert Raith.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Robert.
unidentified		And offering $1.5 million for the video, the private collector, and Jonathan flatly refused.
		Because this is information art that belongs to the world.
		And as a matter of fact, we are going to, we were invited to speak at the International UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada in March.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we will be showing the videos there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		But we are not going to sell the videos.
		People say, well, this could be about money.
		Well, if it's about money, my friend, there were a lot of offers for this video for an awful lot of money.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I haven't made a dime for three years.
unidentified		Absolutely nothing.
		And Jonathan refused to hoard this out to anyone for any reason.
		He wants the people to experience this truly and fully and to understand the dynamic, important level of this information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		This is incredibly important information.
		Art, we are not alone in the universe.
		We are not alone.
		And Jonathan's information and what he's been through is absolutely proof of that.
		You have individuals like Richard C. Hoagland, who is a great and wonderful individual.
		You have Whitley Striber.
		With all these other people, we know we are not alone, that there are aliens, there are creatures.
		The test that Mr. Chacone did independently proved conclusively that there is another creature unlike anything science has ever witnessed, ever viewed, ever seen, ever catalogued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I admit it's strong evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sean, anything else that you would like to add?
unidentified		Well, I could add a couple more things.
unidentified		I do know that Jonathan goes Through his periods of paranoia, you know, or what we'd call paranoia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but some paranoia is justified with what he's been through.
unidentified		And he mentioned, you know, when he got to the lecture hall, he says, well, I hope I don't get shot.
		And I says, you're not going to get shot in front of, you know, all these witnesses.
		So I assured him.
		And, you know, just so people out there think this isn't a big act, you know, when he was on the lecture stand, you know, he was nervous and stressed, and you could see that, you know, everything came off fine.
		And, you know, afterwards, you know, he says, man, is my stomach going, you know, wow, you know, like, those are all like, but those are emotional reactions that are important, though, okay, to me as a researcher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these reactions were pretty much shared by the other MUFON members that saw it?
unidentified		Well, they were pretty impressed, okay.
		I mean, relatively, but I haven't been in touch.
		I'm in touch with one of them.
		I didn't get a chance to talk to him today.
		But they're a little more into the hard evidence and analyzation, and that's been a little of the problem is that I think a lot of these type of people wanted to see the video analyzed, the photos analyzed, and the results.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, we're getting down to that now.
unidentified		And we're getting down to that now.
		But I know Jonathan is very much into people he can trust.
		I know he likes and he can trust you.
		And that's probably the direction he wants to go.
		And he doesn't want to go in a direction with people that he can't trust.
		And he will wait until he finds someone he can trust.
		I know that much about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do I. Sean, I want to thank you for coming on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were the contact for a long time and remain the contact, I guess, in San Diego Move Fun Contact.
unidentified		Yeah, along with Rob, who's the director of San Diego Yobo Society also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Sean, thank you so much.
unidentified		Thank you very much for having me on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		All right.
		Now, I want to move on, and I want to read about Dr. Jonathan Reed.
		Doctor, I want to read a little bit about your background, if that's all right with you.
		All right, hold on here.
		Let me.
		I'm doing a lot of pretty interesting work here.
		So let me try this, and then this.
		And oh.
		You see, that's how it works.
		I just lost one of them.
		Let me see if I can get Dr. Reed back because I want him to hear this as I'm reading it.
		So we're sure that we have it right.
		So you're sure that you have it right.
unidentified		We'll hope to get it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see.
		I think that I've done it.
		Sorry, this is technical glitch stuff.
		Dr. Reed, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sorry, we got disconnected.
		And let us now be sure Robert is still there.
		Robert?
unidentified		Yes, I'm a little bit of a good idea.
unidentified		Okay, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I want to read something.
		I want you to both listen to it.
		And Dr. Reed, I want you to confirm it for me, all right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
		The bio of Dr. Jonathan Reed.
		A lot of people have been wanting this.
		1974 through 1976, with a grade point average of 3.0, Dr. Reed was at San Diego State University, San Diego, California.
		Got a BA there, a teacher education certificate program.
		He had a single major in teaching in the areas of science and physical education at the high school level, grades 10, 11, and 12.
		And I should backtrack.
		He was born in 1956 in Orange County, California.
		In 1976 through 1980, he was at the University of California at Los Angeles, UCLA.
		Ph.D. program in psychology, special education, study in neurotransmitters in human disorders of motor and cognitive function controlled through clinical modern drug therapies, sensory neural, a clinical study at Fernald Child Center.
		That was, in fact, his doctoral dissertation, again with a grade point average of 3.8 in 1979.
		He was at John Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, Children's Center under Dr. Frank Oski, that's OSKI, MD, working with National Research Award Program, National Institutes of Health, and the Study Grant Program.
		His employment study slash study 1983 through 1996 was as follows.
		The University of Washington, Seattle, University U of W Medical Center, Psychology Department, Clinical Research at Neuro Imaging, Cognitive Factor in Learning Disorders, Adolescent and Child Development Studies, Private Applied Grant Study Program, Research in Special Education, Development Psychology, and Child Development.
		His degree is a Ph.D. in psychology, education, developmental, behavioral psychology.
		His interests include hiking, sailing, travel, music, sports cars, cooking, photography, community politics, and life.
		He was also, was, a member of the National Mental Health Association and the National Psychological Association.
		Dr. Reed, does that adequately properly describe your background?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the 1979 program at John Hopkins was a summer program only.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Essentially, otherwise, that is accurate.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		People have been clamoring for that information.
		So, what I think that we need to do now is to back up because obviously some in the audience have not heard this story.
		Others in the audience would no doubt like to hear it from your lips again, Doctor.
		So if we can do it, let's do an abbreviated form of what happened to you.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll do a quickie.
		October 15th, 1996, I went for a day hike in the Cascade Mountain Range in Washington State, about 60 miles east of Seattle and about 15 miles northeast of Snoqualmie Pass.
		That's in the Wilderness Lakes area, to be more specific.
		But it was a beautiful October day.
		I took my dog, Susie, which was a golden retriever, seven-year-old golden retriever, and we went out for a hike, for a run.
		And we had done this many times before.
		But this was especially a beautiful day.
		It was still warm.
		Some of the trees and the leaves were starting to change in color.
		And it was a beautiful day.
		I had a small day pack with me with a little bit of food, a little dog food, some safety supplies, but a camera, my camcorder, because occasionally we'd see some wildlife.
		And we'd seen some deer earlier.
		And we just started walking.
		And I was probably approximately an hour and a half to two hours away from where I had parked my car.
		We had walked a great distance, probably five to seven miles.
		And all of a sudden, my dog took off running, took off like a bolt of lightning.
		And occasionally dogs will do that.
		They will run and they'll chase raccoons or squirrels and you don't think much of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		But this was a little different.
		She took off and she was barking, really, really barking.
		There was an anger to the tone.
		And she went up a hill in front of me and I lost sight of her and I could still hear the barking going on.
		And the barking changed from just chasing something to almost being involved or being mauled by something.
		And at that point I thought it's either a cat or a bear.
		And so I dropped my backpack, I grabbed a branch that was alongside of the trail, and I ran to the top of the ridge where I saw my dog involved with a fight with a creature.
		And what I saw was a vibrating, undulating surface that looked about the size of a small child, but yet it wasn't a child.
		And it was vibrating so fast that I could not see a definite outline of this being.
		I could just barely make out the shape as if it was a vibrating shadow.
		My dog had a hold of its arm, its left arm, and was tearing at its left arm.
		And as I witnessed this, all of a sudden I saw this thing start to tear the head off of my dog, literally tearing her head, her jaws apart, ripping her skull right in half.
		And at that moment, that thing turned around and looked at me, stopped vibrating for a moment, and then turned back and continued to do this.
		And I lunged forward, took that club or branch, and swung as hard as I could and knocked that thing about four or five feet back.
		Now that's essentially happened within 10 to 20 seconds, which some say, gee, that's not very, very long.
		Well, it's an eternity when you're watching it.
unidentified		You bet.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		When your dog is literally dissolving and there is blood everywhere and then literally imploding into herself.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I mean, she was like disappearing into nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Imploding into herself.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		As if a hole opened up beneath her neck and her skin, her fur, started to move in a circular motion as if it was going into a drain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like I can picture that in my mind, sort of going, as you point out, imploding into oneself and going into a drain.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It was just an unbelievable sight.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I just couldn't, my mind would not wrap around what I was looking at.
unidentified		Perhaps if this a small black hole, the small event horizon opened up in the middle of your body and you began to be sucked into yourself or into this hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		At the same time, you know, before I ran forward and clubbed this, I yelled at my dog, thinking my dog was, you know, to let go.
		I screamed, you know, Susie, let go.
		And at the same moment, realizing that it wasn't her, it was it that was not letting go.
		And then witnessing this devastation.
		And all that happened then was emotion.
		It was truly adrenaline.
		There was no thought.
		I just was trying to save my dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what did you do?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I jumped forward, took about two steps, and hit this thing and knocked it back about four and a half, five feet.
		And it fell dead to the ground, but letting out just a terrible sound.
		Just a terrible, like a wail or a scream.
		And I think I screamed too.
		But I screamed because I was trying to stop this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can understand.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's essentially the meeting of this creature.
		That is the event starting.
		What took place after that was merely trying to recover from that moment became very difficult.
		I was extremely sick.
		Just in a second, I was violently throwing up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you bashed the creature with a stick, right?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		With a club about the size of a baseball bat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but it was a stick, actually, something you found in the woods, right?
		Right.
		And you caved in, apparently caved in its skull, and you thought the creature was dead.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It actually split the back Quarter of his skull open about one inch by one and a half inch, breaking the bone and exposing the inner cranial material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was lying there on the ground, the raw ground at that point.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And at that point, well, actually, at this point, we've got a break, so hold it right there, Dr. Wool, pick up this story.
		And remember that I've got photographic evidence on the website of all of this right now for you to take a look at so you can judge for yourself, including new photographs that we're going to be talking about here in a few moments.
		And I've got negatives of the photographs as well that have been analyzed by Eastman Kodak in New York, and that I've had looked at as well.
		And I'm thinking of maybe even, I wonder if you can scan a negative.
		I'm going to give it a shot here and see if I can do that.
		So, my guests are Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raith.
		The story will continue in a moment.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Don't touch that dial.
unidentified		Don't touch that dial.
		I don't want your lonely mansion with a tear in every room.
		All I want's the love you promise, then leave the halo moon.
		But you think I should be happy with your money and your name and hide myself in sorrow when you make a kingdom of kingdom.
		This is a film called "The New York Times" by the New York Times.
		Spine callers may reach Arkbell in the kingdom of mine at 1-775-727-1222.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Ark Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I've been busy.
		Boy, have I been busy during the break doing something perhaps I should not have been doing.
		I don't know.
		We're going to ask permission for something.
		As part of the proof, for what story you're being told right now, we're right in the middle of it.
		I was sent negatives.
		I have not only the prints, but I have negatives.
		Negatives of the original pictures sent of the alien and of the obelisk.
		And you can see those, the photographs themselves, on my website.
		I also, so I've got the negatives.
		They've been tested by Eastman Kodak in New York, I am told, by Robert Wraith.
		Robert, is that correct?
unidentified		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did Eastman say to you?
unidentified		They are real.
		They are the real three-dimensional object you're looking at.
		There have been no digital tampering of any kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, tell you what I've done, and I want to get your permission before we do it.
		I took the two negatives and put them side by side.
		I've got a good Hewlett-Packard scanner.
		And I scanned them, the negatives, and I increased them by 400% so they'd be bigger.
		But I did not tamper with color or resolution or anything.
		I just simply scanned negatives.
		I didn't even know you could do it, but I did it.
		And I fired them off to Keith, and I told Keith, I'm going to ask when I get back on the air if we can put that up on the website, the negatives.
unidentified		Do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Done.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, gentlemen, hold on.
		Keith, you heard the permission given, so go ahead, as soon as you have received it, Keith, go ahead and post the negatives.
		I don't know if that's even ever been done before, a scan of a negative, but I would like to prove to the audience that they are the legitimate negatives of the photographs that you can see, the full photographs that are scanned perfectly, I think.
		He says humbly.
		I've been scanning for quite a while now.
		But we're going to get the negatives up there.
		So there you've got it.
		You have it, rather.
		And if you want to go to my website here in a few moments, those negatives will be available for you to see.
		So, in a moment, we're going to resume the story.
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		All right, once again, everybody, the photographs and now the negatives as well, for whatever that's worth, I don't think we've ever done that before, are on my website or about to be at www.artbell.com.
		And by the way, my guests also have a website up.
		And before we resume the story, I want to get that address out.
		What is that, Robert?
		What is the website you have?
unidentified		www.odysseylink.net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		www.odysseylink.net?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		It's O-D-Y-S-S-E-Y-L-I-N-K dot net.
		And through there, you can also order our book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you've got a book out, finally.
unidentified		We do.
unidentified		And if it's all right with you, I'd like to give the 1-800 number for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		Fantastic.
		Thank you.
		The number is 1-800-905-8367.
		That's 1-800-905-8367.
		And operators are standing by to take your orders right now.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the name of the book?
unidentified		The name of the book is Link, an Extraterrestrial Odyssey.
unidentified		Written, of course, by Dr. Jonathan Reed and myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, 1-800-905-8367.
unidentified		8367.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, people are going to say, uh-huh.
		Now they're going to make money.
		They wrote a book and they're going to make money.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It's about time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, look, I want to continue with the story.
		You whacked the alien.
		Here it is on the ground, bleeding alien blood, skull crushed in.
		Your dog has collapsed in on itself and is gone.
		You're in chalk.
		You're sitting there, and time passes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I could barely stand.
		I would stand, I would fall down, I would get sick.
		I was dizzy.
		I was nauseated.
		It was as if my body had gone into some kind of convulsion.
		I have never been so sick.
		And this lasted for hours.
		I would get up, I would move away, I would try to lay there and breathe slowly to try to regain some kind of normality of the moment.
		But it was just almost impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you notice this obelisk?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It was about an hour.
		I think an hour had gone by.
		This all took place at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon.
		And about an hour had gone by in my calculation of just kind of crawling around, crawling away from this creature.
		And all of a sudden, I started to realize that it seemed like all the sound was gone in the woods, like there was no birds or no air sound, just dead quiet.
		And I thought how strange that was, because normally you hear sounds.
		And I could hear something that almost wasn't there.
		It was almost like a harmonic sound.
		And at first I thought, well, maybe it's a camper or another hiker.
		And I got really excited, you know, and stood up and kind of looked around and almost fell over again.
		But then I realized it wasn't that kind of sound.
		It almost made you feel like you had goosebumps.
		It was just this hum, this harmonic hum.
		And so I started walking down the trail two or three steps and then would fall down and then I'd get up and I'd crawl for a while and then I'd get sick and then I'd listen and there was nothing.
		I couldn't find it and I thought, I'm imagining this.
		I'm just losing my mind here.
		And I'd turn around and again I would get this sound, almost like it was a directional vector that I could hear coming from one place.
		And as I moved in one direction through the brush, I saw this dark-shaped object that I have called the obelisk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I inappropriately called it a ship.
		Obviously, to scale, it's not large enough, it would seem, to be a ship.
		And you corrected me in an earlier broadcast and said, no, not a ship.
		I don't know what it was.
		I called it the obelisk, you said.
		Just a craft.
		A craft, whatever, in mid-air, hanging in mid-air.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		When I first saw it, I could not see it.
		I could not see underneath it.
		I was kind of up above.
		It was down in a little bit of a valley.
		And there was a lot of brush between me and it, probably 75 feet.
		So I kind of walked around that brushy area down more toward the front of it, where I could actually see this three-dimensional, six-sided shape, like a marquee diamond laying on its side.
		And it was approximately two and a half feet wide from top to bottom, about three and a half to four feet across from side to side, and about nine or nine and a half feet long in length.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got an excellent photograph of it on the website.
		All right, so you, here it is in mid-air.
		Did you approach the object?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, I walked around it.
		I kind of got toward it, and it was giving off this strange humming sound.
		And as I kind of walked down toward it, I kind of leaned part way against it, and I kind of Lost my footing, and as I touched it, I found that it was extremely cold.
		It was cold like dry ice, and it was solid like granite, like polished granite or marble.
		It had a definite shiny kind of surface that almost seemed to absorb the light, but it was a heavy tree canopy in this area.
		And like I said, it was extremely cold.
		I backed off really quick, but I noticed that when I touched it, the tone changed, the sound changed.
		The harmonic became much more pleasant.
		It wasn't so erratic and disturbing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have no idea the function of this object?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Not completely.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Definitely not at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You had the presence of mind.
		You had a 35mm camera with you, and you had a video, a camcorder with you, right?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you took some 35mm photographs of the alien's body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I took the video first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Video first.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's important.
		The video first.
		Very dramatic video.
		Eventually, the public will get to see this.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it, and I've taken sound from it.
		I won't repeat that right now, but we have the sound clips on our website of you running through the woods, of you tossing your cookies at one point.
		Quite realistic, actually.
		At any rate, you also had a 35-millimeter camera.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know when and where you had the presence of mind to get that out, because that gave us the sharp photographs we've got.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think what happened was it was a process of just where I was in the moment.
		And I realized that I had the camera with me.
		And after being there for quite a while, I thought, my God, I can take a picture of this and find out if I am losing my mind.
unidentified		Sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		You know, at least I can bring back something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how many pictures did you take of the obelisk and the alien?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		At the site, at the actual site, I took four rolls of 36 exposures.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of it came out?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		How much of it came out?
unidentified		Yep.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually viewable?
unidentified		Yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Probably nine-tenths of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got a lot of photographs I don't even have yet.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		Nine-tenths of it came out.
		I don't still have them.
		A lot of that photographic evidence was stolen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From your house.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		From my house, from when I gave it to some people to do some research who I was told was some MUFA people, but they turned out not to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they stole it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never seen it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the evidence that I now possess in my hands, the photographs, the negatives, all of that, how was that retrieved?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I said earlier, we split everything I had up into different lots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wise move.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So that I could, well, at the time, we were being followed in cars.
		We were being, we knew that somebody's house had been gone through.
		And it was getting down to the 5-minute to 12 moment where, you know, if we didn't do something, we were going to lose everything.
		And I just divided it up.
		Gary said he would take some.
		I would take some.
		I took some to some other people and basically stored it away.
		Well, this was before they went through my house.
		And they also took what was in my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that which was stored away is that which I have now?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		So here you are back in the woods now, Doctor.
		You've taken your photographs.
		You've taken the video.
		You're about to leave, and you're thinking just to leave.
		But then at the last moment, for some reason, you decide to take the alien body with you.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		What I thought was, maybe I can hide this somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I can hide it and semi-preserve it and bring somebody back here.
		And I wasn't thinking that this was a great find.
		I wasn't, you know, being really rational at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you thinking you might be charged with a crime?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That went through my mind during the hours of being sick at the site.
		I thought that I had maybe killed something that was maybe somebody's pet, maybe somebody's experiment.
		My mind went in all directions searching for some kind of logic, which I could find none.
unidentified		You can imagine, Art, what happens to a person's mind when some event like this occurs.
		Of course.
		First you see your dog brutally killed, and if that's not enough, my God, what is that thing?
		And you're dealing with all these incredible things all at once, and it places you into a certain state of mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's called shock.
unidentified		Yes, absolutely.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And until you put yourself in my position, you can't completely or fully imagine what was happening at that moment in my mind.
		Because I was tearing at the logic side of me, saying this is impossible that this is happening.
		But yet I was confronted with the reality of what I had in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Do you remember the rationale at the time you decided to take the alien body with you?
		In other words, why did you decide to take it with you?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I mentioned, I was thinking, I've got to get out of here.
		I have to get out of here.
		It's late in the day.
		I'm very sick.
		I've got to try to get out of here.
		I don't even know if I can get back to my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By now, what time is it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, about three, three and a half hours had gone by, as far as my recollection.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		My watch had stopped at about 2.50.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2.50.
		All right.
		So anyway, it's late.
		It's dark or getting dark?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It's getting darker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Getting darker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So my whole thought mindset at that point was, I've got to get out of here.
		I started to put things back, my camera back in the pack, and I thought, I've got a thermal blanket.
		A thermal blanket is something that you take with you just in case you have to cover yourself up for a night and survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It's a mylar material.
		I had that.
		I thought, okay, I'll take this body, I'll throw the mylar blanket over it, and maybe pile rocks on the blanket around it so no animal will come and eat this thing.
		Because the woods are full of animals.
		And so that's what I started to do.
		And I laid the blanket out and I attempted to roll this thing into the blanket, trying not to touch it at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like a burrito.
		Yes.
		Yes, sir.
		Okay.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I rolled it up inside the thermal blanket, just like you'd roll up a sleeping bag.
		And I had two straps from my pack.
		I tied it around kind of midpoint.
		And I figured I'd drag it over to the hillside, which was, you know, probably 60 feet from where I was standing, and pile rocks on top of it.
		And or, you know, some branches to keep it on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of a temporary burial place.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, to keep it from the animals, what I was thinking.
		Okay, when I picked it up, I found that it was extremely light.
		I mean, so light that I could barely believe I was picking it up.
		In actuality, we found out that this whole thing weighed just under 60 pounds.
		It was like 54 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that heavy, and you had a lot of adrenaline going.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So I was moving on adrenaline like you couldn't believe.
		I went over to the hillside.
		I tried to dig out some rocks.
		I didn't have a shovel.
		I had nothing as far as tools other than a camping knife.
		And these rocks were not giving themselves up.
		Because this is a mountainous area.
		This is not just a park or, you know, in the lower lands, up in the hillsides, right at the snow line.
		And at that point, I couldn't do anything with it.
		And I thought, okay, well, I'll drag it back down the path, you know, or carry it halfway down the path till I can find a place to put it.
		So I started walking.
		Well, all of a sudden, I ended up at my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are back at your car.
		All right, Doctor, hold it right there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Grape are my guests.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		We'll be back.
		Everything is sweet.
		Oh, it's a thing where I must surrender.
		What a sure love, not right for forever.
		You're the one that I love to get.
		Maybe you're the one that I really care.
		You're the one that I really care.
		You're the one that I really care.
		Trees swaying in the summer breeze, showing all their silver leaves as we would talk.
		Kisses on a summer's day, laughing all our cares away.
		Just you and I. Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		That's 1-775-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got all the photographs up there now.
		The link artifact that we're going to tell you about in a moment, that photograph, actually photographs three of them, are on my website right now.
		We also have the two negatives that I was talking about.
		I had no idea you could scan negatives, but I did it instantly in the last hour.
		And Keith has got them up.
		They're all on my website now at www.artbell.com.
		You'll also find a link to the aforementioned website of Dr. Reed's and Robert Race.
		So you can go examine all of that right now.
		We've got it up there for you.
		You decide for yourself.
		i've got a fax and i've got a million taxes actually but i've got one that i want to read in a moment All right, here is a fax from somebody I know, a physician who's a friend of mine.
		Art, this poor Dr. Reed, here is a probably decent guy who had a real experience that he chose to go public with.
		You can bet on one thing.
		His life will never, ever be the same.
		How about those lab results?
		How about those photos?
		I don't think those symbols are Masonic human beings tore up his residence, but the little guy in the freezer was not a human, nor was it a member of the Trilateral Commission.
		All right, so, Doctor, we're short on time, and I want to get a lot out in this segment.
		So, you wrapped up the alien, burrito style, in this thing, and you started, and you got back to your car.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I threw it in the back end of my Jeep, and I headed for home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These new photos that we have of the Link artifact.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did you get this artifact?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, at the time that I was at the site, and when I went to roll up the creature and hide it, I realized that about three feet away from its body, kind of buried a little bit under some ferns, was this shiny-looking object that was, at the time, had some dirt across it.
		And I just reached down and picked it up.
		I thought it was something maybe that a camper had left, or almost like a pop can, silver in color, about the same size.
		And as soon as I got within, you know, my hand within about two or three inches of it, I realized it wasn't a pop can.
		And I picked it up, you know, probably a real stupid thing to do, not knowing what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Potentially dangerous.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		But I was not thinking clearly.
		And I picked it up and I looked at it and I thought, okay.
		So I just threw it right inside the thermal blanket, wrapped it up, and took it home.
		Now, one of the reasons that we previously didn't mention this was because I don't have that object.
		I do not any longer own or possess that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that one of the things that was stolen from your house?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		It's one of the things that I took after all this happened, when this event was taking place and after I left my house in shambles, I had sent this away.
		This was something that I had literally nailed away to myself somewhere else.
		And I needed to get it looked at and get it verified, which I have done.
		What do you want me to begin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess I would like to know what results of.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, the results, I had it analyzed at a university in Osaka, Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And some of the people that helped me do this are the people that I called the Alliance.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		People that helped store me away and keep me safe for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So it went to Japan.
		They analyzed it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It went to Japan with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With you?
unidentified		Yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		With me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that's new.
		I had not heard that.
		All right.
		So you went to Japan with the object?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I showed it to some very secure people in Japan.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		The Japanese culture embraces the phenomena, the U.S. phenomena in a totally different way than the people in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did they conclude?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		They looked at it, they dissected it in analysis, and they found that it was made out of very unusual materials.
		It weighs 107.3 grams.
		That's 3.75 ounces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The photographs never before seen on my website tonight are extremely clear.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Those were taken in Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Japan?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, while it was being analyzed.
unidentified		I held this thing myself at one time, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yes, and it's amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It's impossible to describe.
		You've got to see it.
		It's got hieroglyphics, what appear to be hieroglyphics on it.
		Has anybody analyzed what that could possibly mean?
		It looks very much like some objects purported to be from the Roswell crash.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's never been cataloged, any of those symbols, and it has been looked at through many eyes, trying to understand if they have any earthly meanings.
		Nobody, as of yet, has come up with anything other than, and this is kind of fascinating, there happens to be one of the symbols, which is the very small one.
		And I'm not sure if the picture you have shows that.
		There are actually four symbols.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am them.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		One small one that sits alone by itself is a very similar shape to the obelisk craft.
		That symbol has been found in Mexico, in Egypt, and in China.
		That symbol is very similar to the raw symbol in the Egyptian hieroglyphs, which translates into many meanings.
		It means the letter R. It also means the meaning of an exit or an entrance or a communication from one point to another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or a door.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Or a door.
unidentified		And we don't know if these symbols are words.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, we do know one thing, that when that symbol, which is literally a button, this thing is a controller of sorts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of some kind, yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		When that symbol is pressed in the right sequence, that piece of material, that structure that looks silver and is hard like metal, I mean like iron.
unidentified		Yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It closes.
		It becomes very, very pliable.
		It closes with a memory, as if it's going to close onto a surface of like your arm.
		And then you push that again and it opens back up with the same memory so that you could remove it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then a speculation would be this was something the alien had been wearing.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Why do you not any longer have this?
		What happened to it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, in dealing with the people who have helped me, one of the biggest problems is having some kind of safety, some personal safety.
		And I was told that as long as I had this in my possession, I was in very, very serious danger.
		And they were right.
		So I gave it up.
		I said, store it.
		You know, analyze it, store it, and do whatever we have to to keep it safe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I've done.
		Now, at this moment, and I want this, everybody to hear this, I do not know where it is.
		I don't know what country it's in.
		I don't know how to get it back.
		But I have one contact who supposedly will contact someone else and contact someone else and contact someone else as in a network of people.
		Very similar to a combination.
		And that's the only way that it could ever be retrieved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you think you could retrieve it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Potentially.
		Potentially, yes.
		Do I think I could do it alone?
		Absolutely not.
		I would need these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well the photographs are up there for all to see and they are extremely clear and so I'm sure we'll get a lot of feedback on them.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		The materials that it's made out of are really unique.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It's a radical mixture of silicone polymers, beryllium aluminum, which is a unique substance in itself, manganese, magnesium, zinc, copper, bismuth, gold, and other undetermined materials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, coming back to here you are in your car, you're going home, because what else are you going to do?
		So you throw this thing, toss it in the back of the car, and you head home, right?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I headed home thinking I'm going to take this thing somewhere.
		I went to the Ranger Station, which there was no one there.
		You know, this is the closest thing I could go to for an authority, yes.
		Right, and there was no one there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you went home?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I was violently sick.
		I proceeded to go home.
		I had to stop probably every 10 miles and get out of the car to throw up and to try to regain some strength.
		And I found my way home.
		And I got home.
		I drove myself basically into my carport.
		I sat there thinking, you know, has anything of this, has this really happened?
		You know, was this just a bad dream or a nightmare or a bad trip?
		And I looked in the mirror, the rearview mirror in the car, and I could see the thermal blanket wrapped up in the back of the Jeep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No dream.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I went in the house.
		You know, I just went in the house.
		I couldn't deal with it.
		I just could not deal with it at that time.
		And later on, an hour or so later, I came back out and it was there.
		And I thought, well, what can I do with this?
		Where can I hide it?
		Where can I put it?
		And I thought, well, it's dead.
		It's neat.
		I'll put it in the freezer in the garage.
		At least I don't have to deal with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where you put bodies.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's where I put it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you thought it was dead.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So into the freezer it went.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how long did it stay in that freezer, Doctor, before you retrieved it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, about six hours went by, and I couldn't sleep.
		I couldn't sleep.
		I couldn't move.
		I went in the house and called my friends.
		I got nobody.
		I left messages.
		You know, I was pacing.
		I was trying to figure out what in the hell was I going to do.
		And I went back out and drug it out and looked just to see if it was really there.
		And it was there.
		It was still there.
		I drug it into the open side of the garage, basically entering the part of my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I got out the video camera and I videotaped it.
unidentified		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And people say, how could you do that?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		How could you come to do that?
unidentified		I didn't have anything else to do.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		In my mind, my mind was saying, don't believe this.
		This isn't true.
		This isn't happening to you.
		This isn't in front of your face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so gather evidence, obviously.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So unconsciously, I just did it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It was what I had in hand.
unidentified		Jonathan's brain went into overdrive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		And so the parts of it that took over.
		You did that.
		Is that when you took the samples, by the way?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		No, the samples were done later when Gary and I did an examination.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		We removed the body from the freezer, we unwrapped it in the garage on a large table, and we did the close-up examination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and that's when the samples were taken.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's when we took the samples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		At some point, this is the horror of it for a lot of people.
		The alien was in the freezer, and you came out to your garage, and that freezer was making noise, wasn't it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Right, three and a half days from the day, the moment that I brought it home, I had handled the body four and five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I had shown it to my girlfriend, to Gary, to several people and put it back in the freezer.
		This was a frozen piece of meat.
		But it was frozen in a different way.
		It wasn't frozen solid like a piece of pork or a steak.
		It wasn't like hard as rock.
		It was still a little bit pliable.
		And we took it out, we analyzed it, we did that, we took photographs, we videotaped that, took the samples, I put it back in.
		I went out to the freezer a couple days later because I was having a professor from my university come over to take a look at what I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I heard this noise, this noise that I thought was, it sounded like the compressor was going out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On your freezer.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Because it was an older freezer.
		It wasn't brand new.
		And it was kind of a scratching sound while it was running.
		I could hear the freezer running, but it just was a strange, erratic sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great, yes.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And then I thought, well, okay, the compressor's running, so that's okay.
		And then I thought, well, maybe I've got rats in my garage because it was an exterior garage from the house.
		And I thought, well, if that's the case, you know, I've got to get them out of here, or if the compressor's going out, I better start cleaning out my freezer or my refrigerator in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, of course.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So I just thought, well, I'm going to check the temperature inside the freezer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Because there's that thermometer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See if it's hurt.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		See the door.
		So I popped the lid open, and this thing set up and screamed at me.
		And I just lost it.
		I just totally lost control of myself.
		And I slammed the lid, and I ran in the house as fast as I could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It screamed at you.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It screamed like I've never heard a sound before except similar to what it did when I hit it in the woods.
		And I'm thinking, at that moment, I'm not thinking, but after I'm in the house, in a panic, I'm thinking, how can this happen?
		This is impossible.
		I know what I put in.
		I know what I've been examining.
		I know what I've taken pieces of, of the skin.
		This thing cannot be moving.
unidentified		But it was.
unidentified		It was moving.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And like I said, I went in the house.
unidentified		I called my friend Gary, who had helped me through all of this.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		He had seen it.
		He had been there.
		I mean, we had handled this thing.
		And he, you know, I got a hold of him.
		He came over.
		I said, look, we have a bigger problem.
		And I said, it's alive.
		And he thought, you know, I was losing my mind.
		And he thought I was pulling a joke on him.
		And I said, I'm not kidding you.
		And I took him out and I showed it to him.
		and I opened the lid and it sat up and moved and screamed again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of...
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, on your other show, we did play that scream.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Because in later days, after that point, I actually recorded that scream on tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It was just, I mean, like a Banshee-type scream.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		In fact, the scream was so loud and so strong, it almost made me feel like it was pushing the air against my chest.
unidentified		After I think that's a good question.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		A few hours had gone by, and I had called Gary back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to play some of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on just one second.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Calm me down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is from a previous show.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Practically around the ceiling.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		We both went out to look again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To look again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Consistently.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I figured, you know, we went out and looked.
		We did the same thing.
		I opened the freezer so that I could know that I was not imagining this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm playing this from a previous show.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And the same thing happened.
		And when the freezer was opened, this thing let out a scream like I have never heard before.
		It literally, the force of the sound made you feel like something was pushing against your chest.
unidentified		The air around it, as it screams, actually bubbles and moves.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It felt like the air was moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And at that time, it was just, you know, open and closed.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And later on, I felt like I had to try to document this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So I took my camera and I took the recorder and I turned it on and I again opened the freezer.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And that's when I recorded this sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you play the sound for us once again, please?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I will.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here it comes.
		Oh, my God.
		They say the same thing now, my God.
		Does that sound familiar, Doctor?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is familiar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Okay, well, there it was.
		Now, Doctor, gee, I've got to stop that thing from rolling.
		I'm getting it from my own website.
		People can hear that on my website.
unidentified		It's certainly a sound that turns your blood to ice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
		Then, all of a sudden, here come what, for lack of a better name, I'll call the men in black, who ransack your house.
		They take the alien, they take the freezer, they take the garage down, as we heard described earlier, and you're on the run, and somewhere here recently, Doctor, you got shot.
		How in heaven's name were you shot?
		Where and when?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had gone to San Diego after your show to present this information to the San Diego Year Folks Society.
		And, you know, I'm thinking things are much calmer now.
		You know, I've presented this information to the public, both on your forum and in person.
		And I'm a lot more relaxed.
		You know, I figure, okay, things are back to normal as far as I don't have to worry so much.
		Because you can kind of let it out of the bag.
unidentified		Sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So I went home from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have a lot of time here, San Diego.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and when I went back to where I was staying at the time, which was in Canada, I went to sleep.
		I got up the next day.
		I went out.
		I had breakfast.
		I got a newspaper.
		And as I was coming back to my car, a man forced me against the side of my car at gunpoint with a gun in my chest.
		A man in his early 30s, dressed in a jogging suit.
		He said nothing.
		He pushed me back.
		As he pushed me back, I grabbed the gun and I forced it away from the center of my chest, up and to my left.
		And it went off, probably because I grabbed it.
		But it was a reaction.
		It was not conscious.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then what?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And it fired.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And it fired right through my shoulder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You went to the hospital, obviously.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
		It fired, and I fell to the ground.
		I thought it had maybe missed me.
		At that moment, I didn't even think about it.
		I didn't even know that it had hit me.
		I thought it just made a bang, and it missed me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		Doctor, you're going to have to hold on.
		For those who get the last hour, lucky you.
		For those of you who don't, sorry about that.
		More to come.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You showed me how to do exactly what you do.
unidentified		I fell in love with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guess there's no use in hanging around.
unidentified		Guess I'll get pressed into the town.
		I'll find some crowded avenue.
		Though it will be empty without you.
		Can't get used to losing you.
		No matter what I try to do.
		Gonna live my whole life through loving you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
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		Once again, Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith are my guests.
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		If you want to see it and or hear it, it's all on the web on my website right now at www.artbell.com.
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		I did that on the spur of the moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Rafe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gentlemen, welcome back.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Arc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Arc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The name of your book again, please?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Link, an Extraterrestrial Odyssey.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Self-published?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you include photographs and so forth?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did, so it's all in there.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It's all in there.
unidentified		And let me say something a little bit about the book.
		The book was written from an emotional standpoint.
		Jonathan wanted people that read the book to really feel what he experienced.
		That was very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The number for the book, and that's the only place you can get it, it's not at Amazon.com or anything yet.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		You can either go to our website at www.odysseylink.net.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It tells you where everything is there.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Or for those of you who don't have a computer, you can call 1-800-905-8367.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's 1-800-905-8367.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, you were shot.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I was shot, and the unique thing of what happened during this moment was the gun went off, and the gentleman that had his face in my face looked really surprised.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Like this wasn't supposed to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he wasn't supposed to shoot me.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I fell to the ground against the car that I was up against.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		He kind of halfway fell a little bit, like, you know, he had a hold of my shoulder, my other shoulder at that time, my right shoulder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And then stood back up very calmly and very slowly, looked around, took the gun, put it underneath his, like a jogging suit jacket, holstered it, and walked away.
		He didn't rob me.
		He didn't check my wallet.
		He didn't do anything.
		He didn't panic.
		He never said a word.
		And that's unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But yes, but here you are shot.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I'm laying against the car.
		A guy came over.
		A man kind of came running over and said, what happened?
		You know, did you get robbed?
		What's going on?
		Right.
		And I said, no, I think I'm okay.
		I'm okay.
		He says, no, you're not.
		There's blood all over your arm.
		And that's the first time I realized that I had gotten shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That happens to a lot of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They really don't realize at first they've been shot.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought I felt the heat of the gun, and I thought it missed me.
		But then I realized that it had gone through the surface of my skin and out through my back.
		And basically, this was a very small caliber, and we know what caliber it is because we retrieved the shell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It was a 9mm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		9mm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not that small.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And it went right through, basically, my trapezius muscle and out the back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, what did you do?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, the guy helped me up, and he says, well, I'll go call an ambulance.
		I said, no, no.
		I mean, I'm back in shock.
		I'm in fear of my life at this moment.
		And I just was panicking, and I got in my car, and I drove back to where I was staying.
		I was staying with some people who were basically putting me up.
		Now, these were people who were the Alliance.
		The guy I was staying with, and if you recheck the other program, he was a doctor.
unidentified		He was a physician, a medical physician.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I walked in, his wife called her husband, he came home, and he cleaned the wound out, and he treated it and wrapped it up.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And I stayed there for months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Recovering, actually, I guess so.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And luckily, it didn't break any major artery.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		It didn't, a little bit lower, it would have gone right through my collarbone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, you've been on the run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ever since this whole thing began, you've been on the run.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		One way or another.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Needless to say, this has given Jonathan a new view on the fact that we have a right as citizens to defend ourselves.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		And as a matter of fact, when Jonathan looked into getting a bulletproof vest, Art, do you know it is illegal for him to own a bulletproof vest?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		In the United States.
unidentified		In the United States.
unidentified		It's illegal for us to own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I had no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had no idea.
unidentified		It is utterly absurd.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Because the police can't take you out.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's why it's illegal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So just the police can have bulletproof vests.
unidentified		Just the police can have bulletproof vests.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's insanity.
unidentified		They're trying to take everything away from us to defend ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the state of Washington, as you know, you can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
unidentified		Yes, you can.
unidentified		This is one of the last bastions of some monocum of self-protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out west here, we have several states, mine included, where you can do that.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Let's put it this way.
		I never used to like the idea of weapons.
		I now feel it's a necessary tool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Believe me, I understand.
		All right, so we've presented an awful lot of evidence tonight.
		I don't know what people are going to think of it.
		There's no way to know what people are going to think of it, but it is pretty solid evidence, medical evidence, evidence from your landlord, evidence from a MUFON person who has seen what the rest of the public has not seen.
		I would like to take some calls from the public and let them ask you questions if you're up for that.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any part of the story you want to get in that we have missed?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, just that this is an ongoing struggle to try to deal with just me wanting to tell a story.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		You know, something happened to me, and isn't it interesting that if none of this is true, why do people keep driving us off the road, taking the things that I have?
unidentified		I had my computer sabotaged.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did that occur?
unidentified		That occurred about six months ago.
		Someone took my computer completely out, a hacker.
		I had to purchase a new hard drive and everything else.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		We also lost pictures off of the website.
		Now, something to note here.
		This website is independently run and owned, not by Robert or myself.
		It is done by another gentleman who is just a fabulous computer guy.
		We call him the web author, Cole the Web Author.
		Without him, we would not be worldwide, just like yourself art.
		But this website has told people this story.
		The whole story is up there of what happened in chronological order.
		But we had pictures, similar pictures to what you have, but different pictures, more pictures.
		People took them and stole them off the web, reproduced them, and somebody called me who was visiting Italy and said, did you know these pictures are being distributed in a booklet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I said, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm sorry to say it's not that unusual on the web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People steal things all the time.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		But what was interesting, Art, is what the text said that was with the pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was that?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		They said that Robert and I were living high on the hog outside of London laughing at everyone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh really?
unidentified		That's absolutely absurd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually you've been on the run and a lucrative medical practice you had is all way gone, right?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Now I have since regained some of my credentials and I have been asked to teach this fall in Japan at a university.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh no kidding.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So my life somewhat is going to become back to normal if I accept that position.
		But for the most part, my life has been destroyed.
		I will never have what I had.
unidentified		At least in peace of mind.
		This has definitely been an ongoing situation.
		Jonathan has been abducted.
		He's been terrorized.
		He's been shot.
		All manner of terroristic activities.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And people say, okay, what's missing?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Why didn't you just run down to the police department and turn in a report?
unidentified		Art, you know damn well what it's like to try to get certain people to give you information so that you can protect your beloved family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		You know what that's like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do indeed.
unidentified		And that's exactly what we have here.
		Another case where people say, well, Art, and well, Dr. Reed, why don't you do this?
		Why don't you do that?
		It's not that simple.
		It's never that simple.
		And in a case as serious as this one, it's impossible.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Why don't my fans help?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you something.
		I think one of the reasons that you get a very angry reaction to your story is because it's so well documented.
		In other words, most stories of this kind are just sort of told, and you've got to believe this.
		You've got to believe a description.
		You've got to believe this or that.
		With your story, you've got photographs, you've got physical evidence, you've got witnesses, you've got a lot, and so it's such a strong story that for those who don't believe in this sort of thing, they get angry.
unidentified		They get absolutely curious because they're grasping at fumes.
		What was that fact that came over your show the other day when Richard was on your show about, well, this can't be real.
		Richard has too much information.
		And the same thing with the photographs.
		Well, if the photographs were blurry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another thing.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely asking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another thing.
		You put a photograph up on the website of a UFO.
		And a lot of times people take pictures of UFOs that do come out blurry because they're scared.
		They're in shock.
		You know, they don't get a good photograph.
		Well, in your case, you got very clear photographs.
		And so what's the complaint?
		What's the bitch?
		They're too clear.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		They're too clear.
		I want to say something.
		In reality, though, we have had 90% positive reinforcing support from thousands, I mean thousands, of emailers and your listeners art.
		We have dedicated the book to you and your listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't know that.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		For them and yourself helping us to get this information out.
		Without you and them, I would have never done this.
		I would have found a rock and called under for good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey guys, I'm going to be, as requested, sending the information back to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And hopefully you'll send me an autographed copy of the book.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely, Art.
unidentified		Definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, would I love that.
unidentified		Hey, we'll definitely get one.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I would like to hand it to you.
unidentified		Personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds dangerous.
		All right, look, I want to take a few phone calls here.
		I have no idea what's going to come up.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Raith.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Jeremy in Louisville, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeremy, you're going to have to yell at us.
		You're not going to be able to do it.
		Can you hear us better?
		Loud as you can.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Sorry about this.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wanted to ask Dr. Reed about that device that he found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah, last time he was on, I was wondering about more information about what kind of needles or pins were coming out from it.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		There were gold needles, three gold needles protruding from the bottom of the surface.
		And at the base of each one was an emerald-like sphere that it was going right through the center.
		These were thought to basically be impaled into the arm of the wearer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		So this is not just an electronic device.
		It's also basically bio.
		Biologically driven as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that was a biological engineer.
unidentified		In the sample in Japan, they found organic material, vein-like things running through the blend of metals.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, almost like a plant-like construction of material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that help you, Collar?
unidentified		Yes, it does.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Reed and Robert Wraith.
		Hi.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		Bill here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bill, you too must yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		I just turned off my TV.
		I can understand why there's problems with people believing these gentlemen.
		It's because there's enough evidence for people to attack or to accept.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		And that allows for people with either beliefs or disbeliefs on this subject to support that kind of thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		My position is that I don't care about whether it's true or not.
unidentified		I just want to know what he thinks he understands as a result of this that makes it meaningful to risk his life and the lives of others to go public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's a decent enough question.
		And really, Doctor, it's right.
		You could have shut up about all of This and gone on with life.
		What was so compelling about it that made you decide to go public?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Two of my friends that were involved with me during these nine days, I thought were both dead.
		One of them is I found this wonderful woman that was like a second mother to me, and I found her dead after three hours earlier speaking to her.
		She was holding material, some of my evidence for me.
		And I found her dead in her kitchen, and no sign of any of the material she was holding for me.
		My friend Gary, I thought, was dead the last time we were on the show.
		And I don't even remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was not dead.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		But he is one step away from it.
		He will never, ever be the same.
		He is a broken man beyond any type of shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you keep your own sanity, Doctor?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I can only say that I had the support of a lot of good people who tried to take care of me.
		And from time to time, I lose it.
		You know, and one of the reasons I lose it is because this shouldn't be happening.
		You know, Richard Holdland said the other night, he says, there's a rogue element within NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, you damn well better believe that there's a rogue element that is keeping us all blind to the real truth that's going on.
		And I've held those people in front of me.
		I know they're real.
		This is not a fallacy.
		This is a reality.
		And you people out there, and a lot of you know, I mean, a lot of the people, I've talked to hundreds of people, they know the truth, but they're scared to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mari, Dr. We'll quote it there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I clearly understand what you're saying, and the odds of us ever going back to where we started from, I think, are slim and nil.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Midnight at the awaiting Send your camera to bed.
		Shadows painting our faces.
		Traces of romance in our head.
		Heavens holding our hands.
		Shining just for us.
		Let's snip off to a bedroom real soon.
		Kick up a little doll.
		Come on.
		Can you see the friend?
		Be far down the way.
		Wanna take a ride?
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		This is Coaster Coast AM with Ark Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, all.
		Dr. Reed is here.
		Robert Wraith is here.
		And the incredible story of the Alien in the Freezer, which doesn't really do justice to all that happened, but people tend to sort of wrap things in short form, and that's what they call it, the Alien in the Freezer story, is what we're talking about.
		And we're taking calls.
		And we'll get back to all of that in a moment.
unidentified		The End All right, here we go again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to my guests, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you there?
unidentified		Yes, I am, Martin.
		If I could, I'd like to add something about that last call.
		Yeah, sure.
		The interesting thing is whenever science or theocracy or religion is challenged, it can have dire effects.
		Giordano Bruno lost his life and Galileo his freedom by bringing new information to the world.
		And to watch a person die in ignorance because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to come forward with what you know to be true is a very difficult life to lead.
		And Jonathan was left between a rock and a hard place.
		And he chose to be a stand-up individual and come forward with the information, much like Mr. Chacone and Larry, who came forward of their own initiative to give this information freely to the world tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I hear you.
		And I'm with that all the way.
		I mean, these are people who stepped forward, and they seemed entirely credible to me.
unidentified		Very much so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Raythei.
unidentified		How are you, gentlemen tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Utah.
unidentified		My name is Jerry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jerry.
unidentified		Hey, I agree with Mr. Reed and his assessment of society today that I'm a concealing carry owner myself.
		I don't like it, but unfortunately society dictates that I do do that.
		I would like to offer Mr. Reed a chance.
		I do have access to a bulletproof vest, and I would like to donate one to him if he would be willing to accept that offer.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		But I think I've already taken care of that situation.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Although That's incredibly appreciated.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's very generous.
unidentified		And again, Art, this is the kind of support we get quite often from your wonderful listeners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is amazing.
		I'm glad that you've taken care of it.
		And I really am shocked to hear that a private citizen, it's unlawful for a private citizen to have a bulletproof vest.
		That's amazing.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		In the United States, it is a federal law.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a felony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you can own a gun to get into a gunfight if you have to, to protect your life.
unidentified		Do you think the people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you can't buy a vest to protect your life.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Do you think the people that are coming after you are going to care about a federal law?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're coming to kill you.
unidentified		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point, Robert.
		I want to say, you know, people sincerely say, and they have good questions, and they say, well, why didn't you just follow the normal rules?
		And the reason I haven't followed the normal rules and I've stayed alive is because these people don't play by normal rules.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Besides, what the hell are the normal rules for a situation like this?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Right.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		These people aren't following the law.
		The law are for the majority of what I call the sheep, the rest of us, that follow in blind faith, thinking that everything is going to be fine and that everything we are told is the truth.
		Well, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Reed, Robert Raythan Art Bell.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		My name is Brooks.
		I'm from Vaughan, Washington.
		All right.
		I saw one of those things once.
		These little silvery things, I don't know, whatever it was.
		I work in Seattle, and I was coming down the Alaskan Way Viaduct, and it was about 1986.
		And there was one of these things, and it came down out of the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what do you mean?
		The obelisk?
		What do you call it?
		The obelisk?
		Is that what you were saying?
unidentified		This is a disc type thing, but whatever was inside had to have been the same size that he had in his internet picture.
unidentified		The thing with the pink eyes, I don't know if he's got that picture up there yet, but I'm packing about the creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, the one that was in the freezer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But what I wanted to relate to is I saw this disc come down, and it looked like it got a little dome thing on top, and it looked like it opened up, and it had like a fire-type flame coming out of the top, and it came down and hovered over the section of Forth and Royal Brome.
		And when I got underneath it, I was on my motorcycle.
		It felt like it was like gravity coming down in reverse, and it looked like there was a little TV screen in the front of the thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had an experience, in other words?
unidentified		Basically, yes.
		But when I saw the picture, I was thinking that, you know, whatever was inside that thing had to have been, you know, one of the same kind of creatures he was looking at.
		Now, later on, when I was, I lived up in the Fremont area of Seattle at the same time, I went down by Gasworks Park, and I saw these weird-looking red eyes with these sparkles coming out of it.
		It was like they were following me around or something.
		Now, I don't know exactly how, you know, I've read a few books on this stuff, but, you know, it completely disrupted my life after I saw this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would do that.
		Of course, it would disrupt your life.
		Now, obviously, other people have had different and or somewhat similar experiences, Doctor, and their lives, too, have been changed forever.
		Many, though, have chosen not to go public, not to talk about it, and not to go through the hell that you have been through.
		I still applaud you for going public.
		I'm not so sure that I would have with the kind of story that you have.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it's been such a good idea or not, but like I was trying to say earlier, and I apologize for getting so emotional, but I did this because I felt my friends had helped me, and I watched them one by one basically drop away from me.
		And I am left with this legacy to know that because of what I did, I affected and impacted their lives.
		And that can't be changed.
		And at this point, I don't want to have them be gone for nothing.
		I want this to mean something for what they at least tried to do for me.
		And I don't care if anybody doesn't believe this, but I know a lot of people do.
		A lot of people have seen things like this and are being quiet about it because they've been threatened or they're scared to death.
		Well, it's about time somebody said this stuff is happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the entire incident, Doctor, with the alien, when it began with your dog, if it had not begun that way, if the alien had not been attacked by your dog, if the alien had not attacked back, if you hadn't reacted in the way you had, if everything had been different and there had been an encounter, do you think it would have all come out in a different way?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, I definitely think it would have been different.
		But one of the biggest things that I've learned by talking to other people who have experienced similar things, and we're saying similar creatures, and people who have been in the know of this information, like people like Whitley Straeber and Hein Massan from Mexico, and Jacques Vallée.
		I've talked to these people.
		I've listened to their stories.
		They've listened to mine.
		And I have said, would I have done this different?
		What would have been different?
		What could have been different?
		Well, chances are, if it would have been one second later, I would have never seen this thing.
		Because what might have happened, and this is speculation, but speculation with some degree of accuracy, if my dog had not have got hold of this thing's arm that may have had this link controller on it, the thing probably would have shifted into another dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it would have just not been there when you came over the hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Because this vibration, this paint shaker-like shaking motion, is what is now thought to be changing from one dimension to another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I've heard that from many, many, many people.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Reid and Robert Reith.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, how are you guys?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, huh?
unidentified		I'm in Miamisburg, Ohio.
		All right.
		I have a question for John and also a comment or two.
		Sure.
		The question is, you said Gary is okay.
		I mean, it's alive.
		But you didn't speculate.
		I didn't hear you say he was all right.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Barely alive, is what he said.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Here's a shell of a man.
unidentified		Gary's anything but all right.
		Gary is a mess.
		Oh, man.
		Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
		He was put through the most rigorous psychological hell you could imagine.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		He was also physically beaten around and about his head to where it did some very serious damage.
		I mean, we're not talking about just, you know, a whack, you know, on the arm.
		We're talking about somebody beating him literally to death.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'm sorry to hear that.
		Is there any way, though, I could get your book on audio cassette?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're working on that.
		We're going to work on getting them on audio cassette for the sight impaired.
		And, you know, we can only do so much at a time.
		Yeah.
		You know, this is a good point to say.
		The reason this hasn't come out sooner is because I've had tremendous problems.
		Robert's had tremendous problems getting a publisher to back us without backing out himself.
		Publisher.
unidentified		They're fine with it in the beginning, and then all of a sudden there's some kind of problem.
unidentified		Something's happened.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		But big problems, like one of the printers' building burned down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a problem.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this isn't a little thing.
		These are big issues.
		But people don't realize that this stuff is going on.
unidentified		I do.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I do.
unidentified		When I talked to Whitley after the first time we were on our bell, he had mentioned to me the hell he went through to get certain things published.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, unbelievable.
unidentified		Manuscripts have been lost.
unidentified		I mean, that man was put through absolute hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And he has been so supportive to our cause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His house, by the way, has almost burned down.
		I mean, he's been terrorized.
		No question about it.
		I know that to be a fact with a good friend.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reith.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art Bill.
		Hi.
		Actually listening to this is kind of making me angry because you know you have had people on like Stephen Greer, Steve Bassett, Peter Gerston, so many of your guests, including Whitley Streeber, that have said, give us some concrete evidence.
		My word, you've got it.
		Gentlemen, are you working with any of these guys?
		Are these guys working with you?
		Are you sharing this information?
		If you've ever going to have anything to break this open, don't you have it now?
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, we're trying to share it with the world.
		And unfortunately, and again, we have a problem.
		The problem is some organizations are not as legitimate as what they want us all to believe.
		Now, I won't mention any names or throw any mud.
		Absolutely.
		But I have had to carefully, painstakingly go to private individuals who I trusted, who I could find that would help me through this one step at a time.
		And like I said, this is basically a team operation.
		I've had tremendous support from your listeners, Art, who have kept me in their homes, who have fed me, who have loaned me their cars for months at a time, who have supported me.
		This is the only way I have survived.
unidentified		Gosh, I wish I could help.
unidentified		Art Belle, I have a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I'm going to raise your right hand and swear that you will tell the truth.
		Have you been coerced, threatened, bought in any way to sort of discredit these guys?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have been, yes, I have been threatened, not by official sources, but unofficially I've been threatened for presenting the story on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you bet.
unidentified		Well, it just seems to me that that's proof in itself, also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so i don't have to hold up my right hand about that all the other than a landslide of uh...
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Have you been bribed to let us do this?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Because that's just as important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
unidentified		As you can see, this is one of the reasons we're on the Art Bell Show.
		Coast to Coast.
		This is one of the reasons we trust Art.
		He's stood up for this kind of information.
		He's allowed an open forum for this kind of information.
		Oh, God, bless you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm simply old enough not to give a damn anymore.
		All right, thank you very much.
		We're so short on time.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Graith.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, my name is Brooks again from Vine, Washington, and I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brooks, we're only allowed to take one call per customer per night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hello, Art.
		This is Buck from Virginia.
		Hi there.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Dr. Reed, I find you very credible.
		However, a lot of people obviously may have different opinions.
		On December 21st, 1998, Major Ed Dames was a guest on this program.
		And he expressed a lot of disbelief in your claims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, he was the one who thought that there was a shadow box.
		I'm trying to remember how he put it.
		A shadow box of nobody is perfect.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And everybody has the right to their opinion.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And Ed Dames simply made a mistake there.
		We have proven tampering.
		We have proven no shadow box.
		We have proven those are real objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've got the negatives up there for you to look at for what it's worth, sir.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Remember that Ed Dames is a human being like anyone else and is entitled to make mistakes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And he admits that a certain percentage of what he does is a mistake.
		I forget 10%.
unidentified		10%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depending on how many remote viewers are used.
		Was to the Rockies.
		We're short on time.
		You're on the air, huh?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Mr. Bell, this is Robert from the San Joaquin Valley, California, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		First, I want to say to you from my heart, I wish you and your family a healthy and joyful holiday season.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Gentlemen, just one question.
		I listened to you on Mr. Bell's show before, and this is a hypothetical question, a scenario that I'd like to have you comment on, if you will.
		I represent the ETs.
		They came through a van that brought them to the drop-off points.
		The van had all of these antennas on it.
		It looked like a porcupine.
		And they were there to take samples and earth samples as well as other materials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, this is obviously a long, drawn-out story that we're not going to have time to properly present.
		If you follow me.
		Well, he's gone.
		All right.
		It was obviously a pretty long story, and we have like a minute left.
		So we'll just move on.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air very quickly with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith.
unidentified		Yes, I wanted to tell your listeners, I'm calling from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And the intimidation that their friend received physically happens at the federal political level here.
		My best friend, it happened to him.
		He was taken away for a couple of weeks and convinced not to enter into federal politics.
		It happens for a number of different reasons, including the one that you're mentioning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, this story of a shadow government or a shadow cabal behind everything.
unidentified		He knows intimately now about the Freemasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Appreciate the call.
		There you are, gentlemen.
		Listen, we're out of time.
		I want to give you one more opportunity.
		You've got a book, finally.
		It's taken a long time.
		And again, the name of your book is...
		All right.
unidentified		And the phone number is 1-800-905-8367.
		And operators are standing by.
		The book price is $19.95 plus shipping and handling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		1-800-905-8367, $19.95.
		And it is the story that you've heard here and a lot more.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		And we will be speaking at the International UFO Conference in March in Loughland, Nevada.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That ought to be something.
unidentified		And one last thing real quick.
		I wanted to thank all your listeners and you, Art, and all those that came on tonight in defense of this very important case.
		Mr. Chacone, who took a great risk.
		Unfortunately, it was a very small part of the sample left, but he did manage to get us the data that we needed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you all so much for helping me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You two and everybody else out there.
		Good night.
		Take care.
		Good night, y'all.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Archie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And don't forget that autographed book.
dr jonathan reed ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
unidentified		Oh, we won't forget, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but your materials are on the way back.
		Take care.
		That's it, folks.
		We're out of time.
		It's going to be a very, very interesting week next week, and we're going to begin Tuesday night with Whitley Streeber for a very good reason.
		We've got a brand new book out.
		It's going to be a bestseller.
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.

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