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	From Coast to Coast AM, from September 22nd, 1999.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
	And it is a great land.
	Right now, kind of soggy here in the high desert.
	Little light rain falling all day long.
	Commercially, we're heard from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands out west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands.
	South, well into South America, and north all the way to the poles, this is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell.
	And oh yes, worldwide on the internet, thanks to Broadcast.com and of course the Intel Corporation for the mathematics that allowed the program called G2 that allows you to go off to my website and for free, it is free you know, check it out.
	Yes, you can buy one with bells and whistles, but The basic version of G2 is free.
	Download it, put it in your computer, come back, click on streaming video, and there I will be, doing the program, visually, and you can get the audio as well.
	So, there you have it.
	Now listen, yesterday I had the day from hell.
	I mean the day from hell, and I'm contemplating... So obviously I wasn't here yesterday.
	I want to thank Hilly for filling in, and Jim Birkland for being his guest.
	And by the way, on the heels of Miss Birkland's appearance on this program with Hilly, I noticed that there's been an earthquake just about in his backyard there.
	It looks as if there's been... Let me see here.
	There's been a couple of earthquakes, actually.
	One, Northern California, in Mr. Birkeland's backyard.
	4.2 in magnitude.
	And one, of all places, in Ohio.
	An earthquake in Ohio.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Not a big one.
	Centered along the Rogers Creek Fault, about 5 miles northeast of Ronert Park, a small city 42 miles north of San Francisco, with regard to the one in California.
	And in Ohio, it was a small one that occurred near Cleveland.
	No damage there reported.
	Earthquakes in strange places, huh?
	I've received some news that I can't confirm just yet.
	I'm trying to confirm right now.
	However, basically, I'm told by my board operator in a fax from San Diego, That George C. Scott has passed away, and I hope that is not true.
	I fear it might be.
	The facts I've received from San Diego is from the Kogo KSDO newsroom.
	Art, you haven't heard the news yet, apparently.
	George C. Scott is dead.
	His body is at the Los Angeles coroner's office.
	No one knows at the moment why he died.
	And I just hope that's not true.
	I tell you, I tell you, folks, George C. Scott has been one of my favorite actors of all time, and I'm looking now in the current news, which may not be caught up in it.
	It doesn't have it in there.
	I would think it would certainly be in the current Associated Press news, but they just may be a little behind.
	So I hope that's not true.
	but i'm being told that uh... that is the case that george c scott has passed away you know what i wonder i wonder what happens where where the next great actors of the caliber of scott come from where i don't see them coming along and maybe that's just a sign of my own age that i don't perceive them coming along this is a few but not these mature Wonderfully mature.
	Well, they haven't had a chance to mature yet, Art.
	I know, but Anthony Hopkins, for example.
	I will watch a movie with Anthony Hopkins.
	Incidentally, if you get an opportunity to see a movie called Instinct, you don't want to miss that.
	It's just coming out on videotape now, I think.
	Oh, God, is that a great movie.
	Where are the next generation of actors of this caliber coming from?
	As I said, I ignore the movie title.
	This is how the movie stars make all the money, because of people like me.
	I will go to a movie just because Anthony Hopkins is in it.
	I already know I'm going to love it.
	That's all there is to it.
	It may be that he won't do parts that I don't like, but I have so much... Anthony Hopkins is somebody I would love to interview.
	I would give my right arm to interview Anthony Hopkins.
	Truly, a talent beyond all reason.
	A God-given talent beyond all reason.
	Mr. Hopkins is unbelievable.
	But George C. Scott has also been one of the high-caliber actors that the world will be at a loss.
	A great loss.
	What happened to George C. Scott?
	Alright, coming up in a moment, Is, is Colm Kelleher, and we've had him on before from NIDS, and boy do we have news for you.
	Stay right where you are.
	Alright, here we go.
	Um, I am so proud to be bringing back to you, uh, this hour, Colm Kelleher, who is A Ph.D., a Deputy Administrator and Director of NIDS.
	He'll tell you what NIDS is.
	He's responsible for running day-to-day operations of NIDS, supervising and managing scientific staff and investigators.
	And, of course, he reports directly to Robert Bigelow, the Executive Director.
	And we have Bob on, oh, I think, as a matter of fact, since the last time Colm was on the air with us.
	And Colm has a number of announcements to make, and so I don't want to upstage anything he's going to say.
	Let us go directly to Colm Killeher.
	Welcome, Colm.
	Welcome back, actually.
	Good evening, Art.
	It's good to be back.
	Great to have you.
	I thought that the show we did with you on The Ranch was probably one of the most riveting, interesting programs that we've ever done, and I'd love to have more information as you're able to give it.
	In the meantime, I know that you have started something brand new.
	NIDS is jumping in with both feet into a new project, so tell me all about it.
	Yes, that's actually correct.
	As you probably know, we have been fairly low-key in the last three years, actually four years.
	Fairly low-key?
	Most people would say secretive
	well that i i i think i think that were definitely a secretive but
	everybody understand needs to understand that your organization investigates
	yeah usual phenomena and that uh... as sometimes during the course of that
	investigation not having the public trampling down the areas that you're
	investigating requires some degree
	of uh... secrecy that's correct because
	obviously if we're trying to uh...
	into an elusive phenomenon uh... the chances are it's not gonna hang around very often
	If if we have lots of people having picnics from from the back of trucks, etc.
	So what we try to do is do the research as quietly as possible.
	And then when we can, when we feel we can stand behind the research, we then publish.
	But as I said, we're moving into a different element now.
	And briefly, what we've done is we've substantially upgraded an awful lot of our capabilities.
	We've hired a series of investigators.
	And the bottom line here is we're announcing a 24 hour a day hotline so that people nationally They can call us when there are cases of unusual phenomena.
	That includes everything from unidentified flying objects to entities or life forms that are unusual.
	They can call us at this hotline.
	And you're going to staff this thing.
	It says 24 hours a day.
	24 hours a day, exactly.
	We've upgraded our facility now so that we have eight simultaneous lines.
	And we have digital recording capability.
	Eight individual lines, so people are going to be able to get through, and digital recording capability.
	That's right.
	And the idea, obviously, is if there's a wave of sightings that happen, then we can respond to the wave.
	We have, as I said, several law enforcement investigators with a lot of, probably over a hundred, person years experience in law enforcement investigation so let me let me let me get this straight let's say that somebody in uh... let's just pick a place columbus ohio somebody in columbus ohio no not somebody let's say that that uh... hundred people in columbus ohio have some unusual sighting or something is said to have landed or but you know uh... entity uh... presentation of something anything very very unusual
	Not only do you have the phone lines to take the calls, but you could then dispatch legitimate investigators to Columbus?
	In other words, NIDS would pay for that?
	That's essentially correct.
	Obviously, we have several levels.
	There'll be a lot of telephoning and investigation from the telephone first, but ultimately, if we make the call that it's of interest, And perhaps if there's physical traces associated with any of these flying objects or entities or even unexplained animal deaths or animal mutilations in the ranching community, then we would dispatch people to the to the site.
	We have not only do we have the investigative capability, but we also have PhD level scientific staff.
	So traditionally, many of the UFO reports that have come in tend to stop at the level of reporting.
	Yeah, usually it's the kicker item in a local newspaper or something.
	That's correct.
	We're trying to push that beyond the investigative level so that we can actually do lab analysis that are governed by the scientific method so that eventually what we can do is publish a report that cycles right back to the public At no cost to the public.
	So we essentially take up all of the charges right through the investigation, right through the scientific analysis, and through the laboratory analysis.
	We've currently contracted close to 10 nationally accredited laboratories throughout the country so that we can pick and choose if we want to do a chemical analysis, we can get the best of the best.
	If we want to do biology, if we want to do veterinary pathology, We can do that.
	That's a hell of a commitment.
	Financially, and from every point of view, to have this facility, this many phone lines, the ability to dispatch Ph.D.
	level people, and having labs online, boy, that's an awfully big commitment.
	Yes, I think it really, hopefully what we can do is bring it from the very first phone call through a series of levels, and each level being questions on the telephone, perhaps dispatch of the investigators, followed by dispatch of the scientific staff, and then the laboratory analysis if there's traces or if there's animals involved, and then finally the report.
	And what we aim to do is publish a series of high-quality reports on these cases nationally.
	So it really does benefit the public for the scientific investigation of these cases.
	Wow!
	Alright, so you're going to be a very busy group of people.
	Now suppose, for example, let me just give you a couple of what-ifs.
	What if somebody has physical trace evidence or physical evidence of some sort that they've been holding on to or even had for years?
	Very important physical evidence of some sort.
	Right.
	That kind of call would qualify as well?
	Well, obviously one of the things that we would need to verify is chain of custody, and a whole battery of parameters about that particular item, but given that we were satisfied that we could trace the chain of custody, and we were satisfied with that, that would be definitely on the cards.
	All right.
	Chain of custody, meaning obviously, where did this come from?
	Where did it originate?
	What hands did it pass through?
	How long did different people hold it?
	And can people verify and corroborate that the item originated in the place, the alleged place?
	Suppose, though, that, for example, Art Bell had something that was not manufactured on Earth.
	Period.
	Now, Again, keyword manufactured.
	Not manufactured on Earth.
	Would that qualify?
	If you had the laboratory analysis to indicate that what you said was substantially correct, or if you had some good evidence, we would take a look at it very, very seriously.
	Alright, or if there was a mass sighting, for example, and a couple of people had videotape evidence of it had caught it on camera as as it were.
	Well, that's correct.
	Because we also part of our our menu of tests is we do have good photograph analysis capabilities.
	We can call on on contract people that that can do good digital enhancements.
	We have used these people in the past.
	So right now in the past three weeks, what we've tried to do is we've assembled small packets of information And we've been doing mass mailings to law enforcement people, to the Federal Aviation Administration airfields.
	We've sent these packets to radio stations, to television stations, to coast guards, anybody essentially who's been out at night and who may have a story to tell.
	Now obviously we're interested in recent cases, but we're also interested in cases that may be old.
	But may have evidence left to explore.
	That's correct and that the idea is obviously to set up a series of databases and we've upgraded our computer facilities also and our database analysis packages.
	So we're trying to encompass all of the different possibilities from the first phone call all the way to the final report.
	Now Um, what will happen to the information?
	In other words, for example, will the people who report this to you or provide evidence to you be privy to the final results of the investigation should one occur?
	Yes, they will.
	And obviously, any information that they tell us will be kept confidential.
	In terms of names, if they don't want to be publicized, they won't be publicized.
	That's very important, Colm.
	I hate to say it, but you and I both know it is.
	If there's a pilot out there who has evidence, he's not about to risk his job with a major airline, a major career, by reporting one of those.
	That's right.
	And we've come across that in the, even in the veterinarian community, too.
	They're reluctant, the veterinarian community is reluctant to come forward.
	I bet they are!
	Yeah, for exactly the same reasons.
	So, we do guarantee confidentiality, but we will also give the people who initially contact us a full report, and given the fact that they give us permission, we will publish that report too, for the benefit of the public.
	And we will publish it on our website also.
	May I ask, maybe you cannot totally answer, but I can try, what made uh... needs decide to jump in this heavily i mean this is really a heavy commitment uh... we're talking big bucks here and big facilities and it does a giant commitment waterline why and i was why the sudden shift from the very private uh... you know secret is the wrong word confidential investigations that have been going on to a more public stance like this well we've come to come to the
	situation after three years or three and a half years of working at a low level under the radar so to speak.
	We've been accumulating a lot of data in the different areas that we're interested in and we feel we're now at the stage where we have a certain level of expertise and experience where we could apply that experience to a much broader menu of cases.
	And that's exactly what we're intending to do, because part of, obviously, our mission is not only research, but also public education and public information.
	So there's a two-edged sword here.
	We're doing the research, but we're also interested in interacting with the public.
	Alright, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hours.
	I told you I was not here yesterday.
	I had the day from hell.
	I may decide to tell you about that the next day or so, too.
	What a story it is.
	So, consequently, I'm going to be here Friday night, Saturday morning this week.
	Repeat, I will be here Friday night, Saturday morning this week.
	i'm art bell and this is close to close
	and you're listening to our bills somewhere in time on premier radio
	networks tonight's on-call presentation of coast to coast and from
	september twenty second nineteen ninety nine
	the the
	the you
	Where are those happy days they seem so hard to find?
	I try to reach for you but you have closed your mind.
	Whatever happened to our love?
	I wish I understood.
	It used to be so nice, it used to be so good.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 22nd, 1999.
	How come they can sing without an accent?
	That's what I call harmony.
	I love harmony.
	Girl harmony.
	Absolutely love it.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Do you have any idea what you're hearing?
	Tom Kelleher is here from NIDS.
	And he's announcing a new service for the entire nation.
	And this service is nothing less than a 24-hour-a-day hotline, and that's what it's going to be, with eight lines, PhD-level investigators that can be dispatched to any part of the country, or even world, for that matter, to investigate anything that might be going on, and they're picking up the tab for this whole thing.
	It's actually what the, uh, A UFO community, along with many others, we've needed this for all the time that we've been reporting UFOs, and we've never had it.
	Animal mutilations, that kind of thing.
	We've simply never had the power, the oomph, the resources to put something like this together, and now here it is, no cost to you.
	This is all privately financed by Nibs and Robert Bigelow.
	And the hotline number again, This really is big time, when you think about it.
	Really big time.
	The hotline number is... Everybody in ufology should rejoice at this.
	Everybody should be rejoicing, and beyond ufology as well, into the unexplained paranormal phenomena community.
	Everybody should be rejoicing at this, to get on the spot, boom-a-dee-boom, investigation, just like that.
	Column color will be right...
	That's really good.
	That fellow has a sense of rhythm in putting together that commercial that I admire.
	Well, okay, again, let me stress it again.
	This really is something that I think all of ufology has been waiting for, all of the paranormal community has been waiting for, and we've never really had it.
	We've had sort of weak stabs at it here and there.
	We've had hotlines, of course, but the investigative side of this We've never had.
	We've never had the resources to actually send people out and figure out what the hell's going on out there.
	And that is what we've got here.
	The hotline number is open as of right now.
	It's manned.
	Area code 702-798-1700.
	Area code 702-798-1700.
	What you should do is put this number by your telephone or put it in your phone directory
	or put it somewhere where you'll have it when you need it.
	I mean, what a tool to have to be able to call a number and perhaps initiate or be part of initiating an investigation that will finally answer some of the questions that we've all had for so long.
	702, area code, 702-798-1700.
	Not taxpayer dollars.
	code seven oh two seven nine eight one seven zero zero not taxpayer dollars they're actually
	bigelow dollars uh... okay column you're back on the air again
	Hi.
	Hi.
	The more I think about it, the more I realize this is an awfully serious endeavor.
	So, as director, I would presume that if something big happened in the middle of the night sometime, your phone could ring, sort of like finding the SETI signal.
	I mean, if there was another Phoenix thing, for example, that came over, you know, the giant thing that came over Phoenix, your phone might ring, And they would tell you, look, we're getting hundreds of calls down here.
	Something's really popping.
	We've got decisions to make.
	You better get down here.
	That's exactly what we would have to do.
	That's why we put the eight lines in, so that we can record.
	If there is a flat that happens, we can record all of it as it comes in.
	And if necessary, make the call right there.
	Um, to whether or not to travel.
	Obviously, each case is going to be very, very different.
	But the bottom line is, I think right now, we have the capability of responding in a way that we did not have before.
	And I think, um, we're really focusing right now on sending these information packets, which consist of stickers that you can put on your telephone and our computer.
	Brochures telling people about who we are and what we're doing on the UFO hotline.
	Really?
	And can you get these for what?
	Writing to you?
	Or what's the deal?
	Well, we're actually doing mass mailings.
	In the last three weeks, we've mailed 35,000 of these to pilots, to police officers, coast guards, radio stations, television stations what do you think the average let's say Coast Guard or or weather radar station or you know whoever or sheriffs or sheriff's department or the Los Angeles Police Department when they get this what do you think they'll do I mean here you've got a sticker a 24-hour hotline do you think that they will
	laugh and toss it in the can or put it on their phone or say, aha, finally a resource where we can send people
	that we otherwise don't know what to do with.
	Well that's exactly, I think it's the latter because the feedback we've been
	getting so far from the law enforcement people is that
	people calling into to police stations regarding unidentified flying objects and
	all of these phenomena are actually a headache for the dispatchers and
	for the the police.
	And they're more than happy to call us when they get calls.
	And the feedback we're getting is that we're actually taking somewhat of a burden away.
	So it is actually useful from their perspective too.
	Will they understand in the mailings they're receiving, all these agencies, the depth of the operation that you're running?
	We've put a cover letter in that does explain that we do have the potential to bring the full technological power of science into the equation.
	So yes, they do understand that.
	Obviously there's going to be a continuum of skepticism Certainly, there's going to be some of these information packets that end up in the garbage can, but we're hoping that with continued repetitive mailings that we will strike a chord in these populations.
	Obviously, once somebody has the sticker on their telephone or on their computer, other people can see it and it can spread like that.
	Sure.
	Absolutely.
	And so people out there will know, well, gee, here's a number I can call, and if I've really got something... That's right.
	Maybe I'm going to find out what it really is for a change, because most times, of course, these things go completely unanswered, completely uninvestigated, and you end up with a very credible person making a report that has not been investigated beyond their word.
	Yes, and we've found that in the past.
	Obviously, we're not trying to compete with any other of the organizations that are involved with these investigations, but we're trying to bring it to the stage where there can be scientific analysis where that's appropriate.
	And we feel that's a contribution that is needed in this field.
	Right.
	We all know Peter Davenport has a UFO reporting hotline.
	And there are other hotlines across the country, and there's MUFON, and there's all kinds of organizations, but as far as I know, none with the resources that you're talking about here.
	Yeah, we think that the combination of what we have is probably unique in this country.
	I think the fact that we have seasoned law enforcement investigators, on our staff, as well as Ph.D.
	level scientists, plus the computer technology, the digital recording technology, and fourthly, really, we have a very high class science advisory board who have a lot of capability of opening doors in terms of technological analysis and advice.
	They're comprised of psychologists And by the way, no crack here on MUFON.
	They investigate as best they're able.
	But usually, I think, a lot of MUFON investigations are dependent on the local investigators, resources, and volunteer work, kind of.
	That's right.
	And obviously, some of them are extremely diligent and extremely good.
	And quite a few MUFON people are law enforcement.
	They have law enforcement backgrounds.
	And hopefully what we can do in the future is reach out to some of these organizations so that in the future we could join forces.
	But obviously we're just launching this right now, so we're at the very beginning.
	I have ached and ached for answers to these questions over all these years, as have you I'm sure.
	I'm really, really happy you're doing this.
	To devote these kinds of resources and to actually begin to get answers, maybe we really can get to the bottom of a lot of this stuff.
	I think we can start.
	Certainly, we're in a much better position to ask questions.
	And whether or not we can get answers, obviously, time will tell.
	But I think we're in a very good position to start the whole process.
	I should mention also that we do have our website online reporting capability there also in addition to the UFO hotline people can log on to our website at www.accessnv.com slash nids slash nids now that's a pretty long address for some people we've got a link up there right now on my website so for those of you used to going to my website You'll find it right there.
	It's H-T-T-P, colon, forward, forward.
	All the usual stuff here.
	W-W-W, dot.
	And then access, A-C-C-E-S-S-N-V, as in Nevada, all strung together, dot com, forward slash, N as in Nancy, I-D-S, NIDS.
	That's the actual address, or you can link from my site.
	And there is an online reporting form right on the website, so you can You can just fill that out and email it to us.
	And all of the details of how to do that are right on the website.
	And I assume the same resources, in other words, if you receive something by email, would you then turn around and reply by email or call the person if they request you call them?
	We would try to do a telephone interview as a level one.
	We have a series of questionnaires that we have level one questionnaire would be returning an email or a fax.
	The fax is actually on our website too, fax number, but level one questionnaire would be doing that.
	Level two would be an awful lot more detailed if we felt that warranted, if there was multiple witnesses or if there was something other to follow through on.
	Colm, do you remember telling me on the program Which I guess I'll never forget.
	There are certain things I hear on my own show that I never forget and the one that you told me that blew my mind was at the ranch where you actually had a sort of an aperture appear and then something or somebody came through it and then it closed.
	Right?
	Yeah, that's essentially correct.
	So, I'm really, really interested, Colman, in this sort of thing, and this is the sort of thing, particularly if there's photographic evidence or some other sort of evidence involved, that you would take on, is it?
	That's exactly right.
	Actually, after that particular show, which I believe was in June, We did get several reports, most of them were historical reports of similar things that had happened, and it was a very useful exercise.
	People do get hysterical.
	In other words, when they hear you say what you said about what happened, and they suddenly realize that, oh my God, I wasn't having a momentary lapse of insanity because somebody else has experienced this, then They open up!
	Yeah, that's right, and we did get a lot of feedback on that particular segment of the show.
	The creature, the humanoid creature that crawled out of this tunnel of light that was seen with Generation 3 night vision binoculars, other people around the country called in in the ensuing days and weeks to report Similar looking creatures to what I described.
	Obviously they were in different situations in different parts of the country.
	Very interesting to get that feedback.
	This is a question for you that I don't think I asked you last time you were on.
	It was seen with third generation night vision, which I love.
	I have it too.
	Yeah.
	And it looks at the infrared spectrum and converts it so the human eye can see what it otherwise would not see.
	Right.
	Is that a fair description?
	That is a fair description.
	That particular case was interesting because there were two people involved.
	One of which had the night vision binoculars.
	The second person had a 35mm camera with infrared film.
	As he was shooting or taking long exposure pictures of this activity, he was looking and all he could see was A diffuse yellowish light, whereas the person that was with the night vision binoculars saw much more clearly what was happening, saw the creature literally crawling through what looked like a tunnel of light that was suspended.
	Did you conclude anything about the difference between the two mediums with regard to why you saw it on one and only a hint of it on the other?
	The conclusion was that there was a lot of action that was happening further along the infrared than the film could capture.
	In other words, the night vision binoculars goes out to approximately 2,000 nanometers, I think.
	Right.
	And the cutoff for the infrared film was actually A lot further, or a lot less far.
	It was probably in the thousand nanometer range.
	Well, we have a very limited way of thinking and it's a natural thing for the human being because we cannot perceive, therefore we cannot entertain as being present or real anything beyond our visual abilities or our hearing abilities.
	In other words, our senses.
	Anything that goes beyond the ability of our senses to perceive for all the world doesn't exist, right?
	That's correct.
	So in other words there could be a whole world out there coexisting with our world that does exist and we don't see.
	That's true and one of the reasons that we try to take dogs with us if we're in a particular hot spot is because dogs are superb biological sensors.
	They can pick up changes in the environment that may be the start of a phenomenon way before we humans are aware of anything.
	So we've found that, in our experience, dogs, regardless of breed, appear to be very, very alert.
	And they can let us know a long time before something is happening.
	How much do we know about what a dog can see and hear?
	And sense that we can't.
	They've done some really interesting experiments with dogs that they've had on big shows like 2020, where they showed that a dog knows its owner is on the way home, even if the owner starts home at an odd, bizarre time of day, the dog gets agitated.
	They showed it on TV and knows.
	Now, I don't know how it knows, but it knows.
	So, do we have any idea of what a dog sees, what a dog feels and hears and knows that we don't?
	We know, for example, their hearing is very, very acute, but what you've just been talking about has not been experimentally looked into with any sophistication that I'm aware of.
	In other words, the dog lying in wait for the owner and being aware that the owner is arriving, that's something that's beyond acute hearing.
	I've seen those reports several times, but I've certainly never seen anything that looks like good scientific analysis of what's going on.
	Well, there wasn't.
	I mean, 2020 did a pretty significant investigation in terms of having cameras just sitting there, and then having the owner starting home at a bizarre time, and every time, why, the dog would somehow become restless, start going to the door and jumping up on it, and somehow knowing the owner was on the way home so that would imply
	something that we sure don't understand that listen we're we're so short on time
	we need to do a whole show again
	alma yes it was that there are there is a lot of that uh...
	that would be of interest i feel uh... especially some of the
	some of the incident that have happened uh... with uh...
	you know in various hot spots that obviously we probably don't have time to go into
	tonight Yeah, that's right.
	Well, listen, I tell you, I really applaud Bob Bigelow.
	This is a very, very serious step.
	And I hope that all of you follow G. And everybody involved in Investigation of the Paranormal applauds this because it's a big, expensive, private effort and it's free to you and it's not coming out of your tax dollars.
	We have the email address, too.
	Which is?
	Which is nids, N-I-D-S, at anv.net.
	That's albertnormandvictor.net.
	nids at A-N, as in Nora V, dot net.
	Well, that's easy.
	That's right.
	Alright, Colm, it's been great having you on.
	Too short a time, let's plan a show, a whole show to do again soon.
	Absolutely.
	Good night, my friend.
	Thank you very much.
	All right, and so, folks, there is born a giant new facility, heavily funded, and prepared to investigate whatever may happen out there, and all you've got to do is call them.
	We'll be right back.
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	Good morning everybody from the high desert.
	The soggy high desert where it's raining.
	And that guy can build out a song, I'll tell you.
	We've got a guest coming up in the next few moments, who is Richard Kinninger, and I hope I'm getting that right.
	If I'm not, I'm sure he'll tell me right away, who wrote a book called The Ultimate Frontier, that deals with predictions involving storms, Earthquakes, many in strange places as we're having this morning.
	Droughts, tsunamis, floods, volcanoes, weather changes.
	All those goodies.
	It's called the ultimate frontier.
	And he's talking about, he's got a date here.
	May 5th, 2000.
	There's something about that date.
	You know there's something about that, Dave, so that's where we're going in just a moment.
	And away we go.
	Richard Kleininger.
	Now, I probably got the name wrong.
	How do I pronounce your last name, Richard?
	Kinninger.
	Oh, no.
	Really?
	Kinninger.
	Yeah, it sounded pretty good the first time you said it, so... Kinninger.
	It's a little different than when you add the L.
	There's an L?
	Oh, I see.
	Kinninger.
	Kinninger, right?
	Is that close enough?
	Yeah, well, I'll answer to that any time.
	Kinninger, alright.
	Well, alright, great.
	Richard, you wrote a book called The Ultimate Frontier.
	Yep, back in 1963.
	36 years ago.
	36 years ago?
	36 years ago?
	Really?
	36 years ago?
	That's a long time!
	So obviously they can't buy your book, can they?
	Oh, sure.
	It's never been out of print, and it's been a continuous seller.
	We stopped advertising a long time ago, mainly because people keep ordering it all the time.
	Usually you order multiple copies to give to friends and things of that sort.
	It predicts all of these terrible things that we talk about frequently.
	I guess, really, they're earth changes.
	Yeah, the things that would just kind of naturally go along with those changes.
	Social and political upheavals, that kind of thing.
	Obviously, in fact, we saw that just happen with the threat of an oncoming hurricane, which, of course, did devastate Carolina and parts of Virginia.
	But even in the areas, it was really interesting to watch, Richard.
	I'm sure you watched it, didn't you?
	Yeah, I've seen certain sections of it.
	Millions of people, more people, about 2.5 or 2.6 million people evacuated.
	There has never been an evacuation in the U.S.
	of that size.
	The roads were jammed, the hotels were full, the people's tempers were short, and that was just sort of a little thing compared to what you're talking about.
	Yes, definitely.
	Much smaller scale.
	But the May 5th of 2000, It's a slide of the entire crust of the Earth, relative to the core, to a new position.
	That's quite a statement to make, now.
	It's a rather bumpy ride, I would think.
	May 5th, 2000, is a day, if I have my memory correctly registering, when the planets will align.
	Isn't that right?
	That's correct.
	All the planets align?
	All the visible planets will be in a straight line on the other side of the sun.
	We won't be able to see it.
	But there's a couple of the heavier planets via right angles, which is, many people say, who are reasonably expert at this, that that's an earthquake position.
	So it's something which is beginning to have its effect already.
	I'd say that the As the configuration begins to tighten up more and more, we're going to be seeing, let's say, some mega-quakes.
	The quantities that we haven't seen for a long time.
	I mean, bunched together time-wise.
	Well, we're seeing mega-tornadoes and mega-hurricanes, and actually there was an earthquake yesterday in Northern California and Ohio.
	And we're beginning to get some strange earthquakes in strange places, and of course we all know about the hardly tragic quake on Taiwan.
	I have the latest on that.
	The Taiwanese, a lot of them are beginning to get angry because they're starting to tell hushed stories of people screaming through the night.
	We now have 1,712 dead, 4,005 injured, 219 missing, as well as 2,991 trapped inside buildings.
	And the population is starting to get angry.
	And they're actually beginning to complain to the government that they're not doing enough, and they're not doing it fast enough.
	China's trying to use it as a way to elbow their way into Taiwan.
	They have always wanted Taiwan back, and they say they'll fight to get it back eventually.
	But it was a horrible, horrible earthquake.
	Initial reports, I think, put it at 7.6, right?
	Yes, I think.
	And then they changed it to higher.
	They measured the actual effects.
	Oh, it was horrid.
	Horrid, horrid, horrid.
	And I guess my question to you is, with all the changes, the weather changes that we all know we're going through right now, and the earthquakes, and the rest of it, Is this sort of like a rattlesnake's warning that we're getting now, or is it an ongoing process that is going to build and then culminate, you think, on May 5th of 2000, or what?
	Well, I'm not in actual prediction business myself.
	Most of this information is things that are being passed along by me from people who I call my teachers.
	I mean, a number of gentlemen who have shown up at different times in my life.
	Kind of passed along this information to me.
	I would say that we are beginning to see some hints.
	The number of earthquakes worldwide has about doubled every decade since the 50s.
	And we haven't seen too much in the way of these very, very large earthquakes.
	And that, I think, is what we're going to be starting to see more of.
	Will it be?
	You expect a pole reversal, I'm told, is that correct?
	No, that's not what I've been told.
	The principle thing is that the Earth will stay pretty much the same.
	It might change very slightly insofar as a pole tilt relative to the plane of the ecliptic.
	Well, that would be a pole tilt, in other words.
	That's not the major thing.
	That the earth itself will stay pretty stable, but the surface of the very thin crust that everybody is riding on, that will slip.
	The whole thing is just resting on liquid magma, which is kind of like tar, and that's
	consistency.
	But if it starts to move, it doesn't have too much difficulty.
	My studies, from just what geologists talk about, even though they don't publish it in
	high school books, is that there have been three separate areas that have been the site
	of heavy polar ice in the past.
	I think that the principle, and I'm not exactly certain in which order it occurs, but the
	Caspian Sea is still rebounding from heavy weight of ice on it as the magma gradually
	fills in underneath of the site where the mile or two-mile thick layer of ice has been
	You know, it slowly rebounds to its former altitude again.
	The Sudan Basin, which is in Africa, and of course Hudson Bay, which is to the north of us, all have been Polar sites within the past 30,000 years and that's an average of 10,000 years between a shift.
	So this apparently is something that's built into our planet.
	Perhaps for renewal.
	You know, one of the things that.
	Happens as the rain leeches out minerals from the ground.
	We lose the micro minerals that are so essential to proper plant growth and To all the animals, including us, who eat those plants.
	And a way of renewing it is by submerging the land under the ocean.
	That's like a farmer who chills his land.
	In other words, you plow it all up and turn it under.
	Well, it's a renewal system that apparently has been essential for our survival.
	Well, the people subjected to the renewal process might not look at it that way.
	I'm inclined to agree with you.
	Now, we were talking last hour with Colm Kelleher about a new UFO reporting service and an investigative service and they talk about chain of custody and when they talk about chain of custody they mean, for example, if you have a piece of evidence of some kind They're going to want to know, if possible, where you got it, where it came from.
	That may be as important as the object somebody would hold.
	To know where it came from would be as important as a chain of custody.
	Where's it been?
	Whose hands?
	That sort of thing.
	So, with regard to the information that you're giving that is so provocative, I think a chain of evidence would be called for.
	Say that you have been told about these events by real, physical people that you call teachers.
	The first one I met was when I was twelve years old.
	As a matter of fact, it was on my twelfth birthday in Chicago.
	The man who approached me was elderly and I assumed he was my grandfather's friend because he knew my name and it was my birthday.
	He began to tell me quite a number of things, which maybe I believed or didn't believe at the time, because it sounded different than what I had been taught in school.
	Over a period of time, quite a series of these gentlemen have shown up.
	To you?
	Not mystical, smoky, disappearing people and creatures, but real physical beings.
	Right.
	I've come to understand that they represent a group of men and women who we would call saints, who have organized worldwide into a series of brotherhoods.
	Brotherhoods?
	Right.
	That's probably a term you've heard before.
	I've heard it, but not exactly in this connotation.
	In other words, secret... let's face it, you're talking about secret Societies here, right?
	Well, I guess a number of so-called secret societies have emerged over the centuries as a result of people having learned some of these same things.
	But you think the single source for these would be the Brotherhood?
	Right.
	And they've been in operation for quite a long time.
	I've been told that the first First Brotherhood was organized back in Atlantean times, which is 21,000 years ago.
	Whether you believe in Atlantis or not, I don't know, but there have been, let's say, people who have transferred valuable information from the past and helping to rebuild civilizations.
	As you know, many civilizations lately that we know of maybe only last a couple of centuries and then they There are more and more people now who believe that we go through a creation or evolution cycle and a destructive cycle and that that's a natural thing that it is constantly destruction followed by creation or life and then plowing it all under and starting again as you've been discussing this morning and that is what you're talking about, right?
	Right.
	And now you're talking about organizations which you call the Brotherhoods which are in place to Keep the chain of custody, as it were, somewhat constant through these earth changes that occur periodically to sort of refresh everything.
	Right.
	Because it took about 7,000 years from the last major earth change in order for civilization to kind of get back on its feet again.
	Where is the evidence, Richard, for For an older civilization, what would you cite?
	If I said, okay, fine, but surely not every vestige of this old civilization could be gone.
	We should be able to go underground or into the earth and find signs that there was a great technologically, possibly technologically oriented civilization that was before ours.
	Egypt is a nice recent example of that.
	Some work that has been done or investigation has been done recently on the artifacts that have been scattered around so profusely in that part of the world.
	People never really thought to measure how precise some of those things are.
	I mean, they create slabs of stone of such Precision, it's hard to believe that anybody could do it with any of the equipment that we have today.
	I mean, how did they... Well, actually, I've been there.
	And I've talked to Zahi Awas, the Director of Antiquities there.
	And it is possible for man to have made the stones and to have cut the stones.
	And I was shown how it was done.
	But what even Zahi Awas cannot explain is how those stones were raised.
	It's impossible.
	To have created that pyramid.
	It simply is impossible.
	It is an unexplained, completely unexplained phenomenon.
	Hold on, Richard.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back.
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	Morning, everybody.
	Richard Tenninger is here, and I hope I've got that right.
	He wrote a book called The Ultimate Frontier, and he's been contacted by an organization called The Brotherhood.
	Actually, he's been in contact with them since he was quite young.
	The Brotherhood is saying, That on May 5th of 2000, a lot of really bad stuff, from our point of view, is going to happen.
	Now remember, this is 1999.
	Sept, right?
	Of 1999.
	So May 5th, 2000 is literally just around the corner.
	We'll get back to Richard in a moment.
	Once again, here is Richard Kenninger, and Richard, back to the Brotherhood.
	This is really interesting to me, for a lot of reasons.
	I have been asked, and I have many people out there, in fact, put up websites, and they say I'm a member of the Mason, and so forth and so on, always ask me about that, and I hardly ever respond one way or the other, but they They think that there are other secret societies, the Masons, the Illuminati, other secret societies that have little bits and pieces or parts of the information that you think the Brotherhood carries all of.
	Is that fair or unfair to say?
	Yes, it is very fair to say.
	It is, huh?
	One of the problems is that a lot of these organizations only got part of the lesson, you know, hundreds or thousands of years ago.
	Right.
	No faithfully maintaining that piece of information, but you really have to deal with all of these organizations in order to get an overall picture.
	One of the advantages that I had growing up was that they explained to me why human beings are here, what is intended for us, where we're supposed to go, how we're supposed to get there.
	Well, that's a lot to contend with.
	Let's begin to contend with it.
	Why we are here, I like that one right off the bat.
	Why are human beings here, Richard?
	Well, it's to learn.
	The process of developing a universe is a fairly complex business.
	And human beings are at the very beginning level of intelligence.
	Human spirits are created in the image of the creators to the extent of the mental powers that they have.
	Well, wait a minute.
	The creators.
	That was plural.
	I said plural.
	Yes, you did.
	Who do you believe the creators to be?
	According to their cosmology, angels are the ones who gather together the necessary dust and what have you that's put out by the solar wind and into planets.
	And they're the ones who then evolve life step-by-step from primitive one-celled plants and animals.
	Angels?
	Angels, whereas in the Bible, it does suggest there are angels, but that God was the creator, not the angels.
	The head angel who will help develop this planet, and this planet only, is Jehovah.
	There are other stages higher than that.
	Let's say that the higher beings that create The star in the first place are archangelic and their ability is to and the tool that they work with is mind power.
	They're the ones who precipitate hydrogen atoms in sufficient quantity to get a star begun and after that the star begins to generate higher elements with larger nuclei.
	How do you know that the Brotherhood or Brotherhoods Have the real overall answer.
	In other words, how do you know that as opposed to any other organization or group which claims to have the answers?
	Why do you think these brotherhoods are the real McCoy?
	Well, there's such consistency in all of the things that tie together that's eventually convinced me.
	Now, I have to admit, when I was first taught all this stuff, When I was like 12 years old, I really didn't know how to evaluate all of it.
	The information that they gave me, the things which I tested, by the time I was about 30 years old, I began to understand that I really had something that was valuable.
	Well, how did these people come to you?
	I mean, is it just one of those things where you're walking home from school one day and a stranger approaches you, or somebody appears in your room, or what?
	Well, a stranger approached me while I was standing on the sidewalk in front of the apartment where I lived as a child and started telling me some very interesting things.
	I paid attention.
	Mostly he was giving me answers to things I hadn't had any questions about yet.
	But as I grew older and the questions arose, I realized that I already had the answers.
	That was a big help.
	All right.
	I'm trying to get an overview of what you've done and why you've done it.
	And so these people kept appearing to you, then, throughout your life.
	Right.
	Fairly frequently?
	About every six months or so.
	About every six months.
	And each one would pick up where the other one had left off.
	Right.
	And you founded two towns in Texas.
	Adelphi, Texas, and... Adelphi was in Illinois.
	Stell, Illinois.
	Stell, Illinois.
	Why would you found two towns?
	Why'd you do that?
	So people would have a place to practice the philosophy pretty much untrammeled by society at large and mostly to develop an educational system for children which would, let's say, tweak their brains at the time that the actual neurological development was occurring.
	We're talking about very young children.
	under the age of one, two, three, six.
	We've developed a very effective system for raising children and educating them.
	With knowledge of what's coming, is that correct?
	Correct.
	With knowledge of how to survive what's coming?
	Well, yeah.
	Is that...
	Depends upon what happens to be when all the changes occur.
	I mean there are some places which will be relatively safe and I don't know where those are.
	Gee, I would have imagined Estella, Illinois and down in Delphi, Texas.
	Those are pretty stable spots so far as most places are concerned.
	This Dallas, Texas area is probably one of the most stable geologically there is in the United States.
	Yeah, but a recent movie, you may recall, had the Dallas area wiped out by an asteroid.
	So you may be stable geologically, but an asteroid could hit you as easily as it could hit Southern Nevada here.
	Well, there's talk of asteroids striking within the next month in this country, you know.
	Oh, you're aware of that, are you?
	Oh, yes.
	I have not come out and talked It's actually a little more than a month.
	But the rumors are rife across the internet and in some scientific circles I've had people on the air who have alluded to it and do you know more about it than you're saying, Richard?
	You know, this is something that's hard to talk about.
	Yeah, it really is because it's pretty scary and I think people are going to have enough to deal with when earth changes occur.
	The problem is that when things start shifting around, as land moves towards the poles, it tends to decompress mainly because of the diameter.
	There's a bulge at the diameter of the equator.
	It's about 14 miles greater than it is through the poles.
	is forced into a compression system towards the poles and it certainly raises mountains and there's a lot of fracturing occurs.
	Land which gets stretched across the bulge tends to sink and be pulled apart and all of that adds to a great deal of volcanism.
	And already there's a lot of stuff happening and just in January of this year there was a whole bunch of Land volcanoes opened up in Iceland, Mexico, the Azores, New Zealand, Ecuador.
	All right, Paul, I'm going to ask you a slightly impertinent question, but you do your best to answer it for me, all right?
	You're talking about disaster on May 5, 2000, disastrous earth changes from our point of view anyway.
	I understand the New Agers would say, ah, but there'll be such a better world out on the other side, maybe.
	But a lot of people won't make it to the other side if that occurs.
	Right.
	Now, you believe this.
	Your organization and the towns you've founded apparently teach this and believe this.
	And to a lot of people, that's going to sound like a cult.
	Well, I don't know exactly.
	I've already written a book about the dangers of cults and how to identify them.
	You have?
	I guess I know about that.
	But I mean, a cult usually does.
	Gather around a specific charismatic individual with predictions of imminent doom, and a specific date or time when they believe it will occur.
	And so my question to you is, if May 5th, 2000 comes and goes, and it's just a la-di-da, another day, with an interesting planetary alignment, and no particular earthquakes or wind or pole shift or anything else at all, what will you then believe?
	Well, you know, how does one come up to a belief in the first place?
	I mean, there has to be thousands of little pieces of evidence put together.
	Sure.
	And that's about how I've come to understand this.
	I'm with you.
	And that's about the same way that most of the people who have said, well, if this is a life raft and civilization is going to sink, Maybe I should invest some interest in this sort of thing.
	I would say that maybe we just have a lot of fun together and enjoy one another.
	We have certainly a lot of things that we can talk about and understand rather than people looking at us askance within the group.
	How big is the group?
	How many people are involved?
	very soon and still about two hundred people in the delphi about twenty people
	actually living here uh... but and there's only maybe about
	i think about seventeen hundred supporters you know it's it's a pretty small kind of thing i mean that
	uh...
	it's pretty hard to believe i find it hard to believe that such major changes can occur with
	uh...
	well again my question may fifth comes and goes
	and these things don't occur or there are not signs of them occurring
	How will that affect what you believe?
	Then we didn't need the life raft.
	So you don't have long to wait.
	I mean, the clock is ticking.
	Let me answer it this way.
	The philosophy, not the warning, but the philosophy that goes with it, I mean, what the Element Frontier is about is a whole It's an explanation of why the universe exists and how it exists and why it does, and that's what people are interested in.
	Mostly, we're pretty selective about who comes into the community.
	We're primarily interested in practical idealists, and those are the kinds of people who built the United States.
	Many of the Founding Fathers were students of the Brotherhood, and that was kind of the thing that brought them together.
	A bit, it's changed a lot.
	No question about that.
	Many of the founding fathers were students of the brotherhoods and that was kind of the
	thing that brought them together.
	As you probably are aware, most of them were members of the Rosicrucian or Masonic groups.
	which passed along a lot of information.
	A couple of them even achieved initiation in the brotherhood, not initiation in a club
	or what have you.
	Are you a member of the brotherhood?
	Normally speaking, people who are members of the brotherhood don't talk about that.
	Our main focus is the message of Christ and not necessarily as the churches have it.
	I wrote a book called The Hidden Christ about ten years ago which essentially gets into all the research that the Catholic and Southern Baptists in particular I spent a lot of time investigating ancient history and whatever documents that they could find.
	They did it in a historically scientific way as possible and virtually none of the information that they've gathered together ever is heard from the pulpits.
	Mainly because what they've discovered doesn't fit in with the theology.
	So I put that together in a book and talked a great deal about the things that Jesus did in order to Learned all the things he learned how to do, which involved travels pretty much in the Middle East and the Far East.
	Who do you say Jesus was?
	A man.
	What the brotherhoods talk about very frequently is that it was a man who prepared his life and his body to a certain point of perfection so that an archangel could use it for three years.
	That probably blows most people's minds.
	So, in other words, you believe that Jesus was simply a vessel for an angel, an angel of creation that you talked about earlier.
	Right.
	Or close to it, at any rate.
	You must bump heads with a lot of people on that one.
	Well, most people came by their beliefs, not through logic, but Well, a lot of people say that the Word of the Bible is THE Word.
	In other words, it has not been changed, it has not been basically tampered with, and it is THE Word.
	And you're not quite agreeing with that, are you?
	Well, it's been tampered with, I mean, as a matter of fact, I'm just trying to translate From one to another, language is a difficult enough process, but it's also been consciously tampered with to make it fit in with what... For what reason?
	For what reason?
	Or reasons?
	In other words, why change the word?
	To make it fit with theology?
	One of the big problems that happens, and happens with most The belief that are developed by very intelligent founders,
	if you would, has become institutionalized and in order to preserve it they have to say, well this is
	the truth and any variation from that is from the devil so you better believe it or you are
	going to go to hell.
	Well that's what they say.
	Just about every pulpit I've ever heard from is essentially the same thing.
	In order to protect their positions, they have to change things around a little bit in the history, or change the interpretations just slightly in order to fit the preservation of the people who are in power, as it were.
	When does the Mayan calendar end?
	It already did.
	I beg your pardon?
	It was this year, I believe.
	Really?
	I thought it was 2012.
	And now I know there's controversy about this, but you're saying it already ended?
	Yes.
	And yet here we remain.
	Well, how would you like to be in the prediction business a few thousand years before the fact?
	Well, I don't like being in the prediction business.
	Well, either way, so I tried to play that down.
	Hold on, Richard.
	We'll be right back.
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	Well, secret societies, secret information, Earth changes, right around the corner, Y2K, rumors of asteroids, and I'll tell you, between now and about May, Of 2000, which is next year, of course.
	Can you comprehend that a thousand year change coming up on us that quickly?
	All these predictions of dire things to come.
	But then again, that comes every hundred years, and certainly every thousand years.
	Those get a lot of dire predictions of things to come.
	I wonder if they really would.
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	Well, here again is my guest, Richard Kinninger, who has written a book, actually a couple, a book a long time ago called The Ultimate Frontier, which predicts tsunamis, earthquakes, droughts, volcanoes, weather changes, Even economic and political upheavals.
	And really, we've got all of those going on right now at increased rates.
	There is no question about that.
	It deals with the possibility of a polar shift and a worldwide three-day period of earthquakes and upheavals said to occur May 5, 2000.
	This information imparted by an organization called the Brotherhood.
	The Brotherhood.
	And Richard, how do you feel about telling people publicly, even millions of them right now, that all of this is known by this Brotherhood group and they don't know it?
	In other words, why is it that all of this information hasn't been given out Publicly, why has it been held secret?
	Well, before you said that it was secret, but it is now public and has been public through the ultimate frontier, you know, for 36 years.
	You know, I don't know if you've ever read, if you've had an opportunity to read readers' responses to the book that they publish on Amazon.com.
	People say, you know, this is the answer they've been looking for all their life.
	Yes, I'm aware that on Amazon.com they do book reviews.
	I take it your book, The Ultimate Frontier, is obtainable at Amazon.com?
	Right on.
	And the comments made have been that this is the information people have been looking for for a long time.
	And when they read it, they believe it.
	Well, I don't know.
	Everybody can just all of a sudden believe the whole thing.
	I mean, it's a complex philosophy.
	Maybe if I could just start at the beginnings of this, it will help people to understand just whether they buy the book or not.
	One of the things that my teachers have taught, and they're pretty consistent of it, is that the universe Basically what describes the universe is the presence of a, for lack of a definition that anybody would really know or just by a name, it's kind of the basis for all energy and matter.
	And it pervades space.
	It describes space.
	Outside of it, there's nothing.
	But it's not particulate.
	There's no atoms necessarily that make it up.
	It's quiescent.
	It doesn't do anything.
	It's essentially imperceptible, except that it causes physical light to chatter between a particle form and a wave form as it propagates through this energy, the basis for this energy.
	It doesn't have a name that no science has agreed to or not, but I think some people are probably beginning to kind of penetrate it.
	All matter and energy quanta consist of swirls, or eddies, in this universal sea.
	And that's all they are.
	What we call atoms and particles of energy are just swirls.
	There's no solidity to any of it.
	I'm trying to play.
	Someone told me this.
	Somebody else came on as a guest.
	And presented the same view not long ago, and their name escapes me for some reason, but it was a scientist of some kind.
	Here's the vain clue, Art.
	All of these particles have a nutational motion.
	Visualize, if you would, the way the axis of a spinning top slowly precesses in a direction opposite the direction of the spin.
	That's one of the definitions of nutation.
	And there are seven, and only seven, mutational rates which determines the plane of existence on which it exists.
	So, an incarnate human being consists of four interpenetrating bodies.
	Atoms are so far apart and, you know, if you had the nucleus of an atom blown up to the size of the sun, the electron would be ten times further out than where Pluto is.
	So, we obviously all have a physical body.
	We know you and I who are talking here.
	And I also have a vital body on the second plane, which is a much denser pattern that binds together one's physical form.
	And then there's an astral body, which is essentially an outer shell, and a mental body, which is defined by our spiritual advancement.
	But all of these bodies consist of atoms on their respective planes of existence.
	As determined by the notational rate.
	When you talk about spirits and so forth, it consists of atoms.
	Different kinds of atoms with different chemistry and physics.
	Those seven planes have names in English.
	I'm going to state what they are here because it will help if I can explain some of these things a little bit clearer.
	Beginning with the slowest rate is the physical.
	Then astral, then mental, then angelic, archangelic, and then finally celestial.
	That's in English.
	I don't know what the names are in other countries.
	I don't know what those are.
	But every living physical thing has an etheric pattern called a vital body.
	A tree or a dog or even a bacterium has such a pattern.
	And there are about 2,000 etheric atoms to every physical atom that is entrained by that pattern.
	And the etheric plane also is a source of gravity, which makes it difficult.
	So we are that much more than our physical bodies?
	Much more.
	I think a lot of people believe that.
	Okay, and the Brotherhood is really saying that whatever happens to us, our consciousness continues.
	We sometimes use a physical body, sometimes we use an astral body, but the consciousness remains.
	And all those things that we learn in the course of Let's say our incarnations into physical bodies is what is retained and what we have as knowledge.
	Alright, well let me hit you with a big one that I always hit people with who say our consciousness continues and that we reincarnate.
	And that has always been a fascinating concept to me, Richard, but I have no conscious recollection of a prior life or prior lives.
	I'm not saying I haven't had them, but I have no conscious recollection of them.
	So therefore, how has my consciousness from some prior life continued into this present life?
	Very frequently, if you have a concern or a problem that you're trying to solve, something that needs to be changed in your life or a business concern, very frequently an idea springs to mind almost unbidden.
	Which solves that problem.
	In many cases, you're consulting during the dream state, or when you're asleep, information that you know from prior experience.
	Why shouldn't I suggest to you that it's simply deductive reasoning of an intelligent, sentient being?
	Probably most such things are just exactly that.
	But when we talk about, see what you're talking about is a more subtle thing than consciousness.
	Consciousness is what you and I feel right now.
	Boom, boom, boom, the table in front of me, Richard who I've got on the phone, the radio program, the house around me, where I live here in the desert, all the things that make up my consciousness presently.
	That's not a brain function.
	What is it?
	The basic spirit, you, who has consciousness.
	Otherwise you're saying a brain has arranged atoms within itself in such a way as to be conscious of atoms.
	How can that be?
	That's quite a stretch.
	The powers of mind are exactly the same in a human being as the powers of mind of God, except we haven't developed them yet.
	Have you seen a movie called The Matrix?
	No, I haven't.
	You really should.
	Okay.
	We'll have something to talk about after you see that.
	Okay.
	Well, let me continue just a little bit here, Art, if you don't mind.
	On each of these seven planes of existence, there's also an electromagnetic spectrum, which is analogous to the physical planes.
	Yes, sir.
	Electromagnetic spectrum.
	But the behavior of those energies are different.
	from those on the physical.
	Right.
	And those energies consist of particles with mutational rates the same as the atoms of that same plane of existence.
	So the particles, actually particles that travel in straight lines are energy.
	Particles that travel around one another are matter, but essentially put together the same way.
	Let's say an example of how different such energies on other planes behave, like mind energy.
	Which is part of the fourth plane of existence, or the mental plane, that does not conform to the inverse square law, which diminishes as you pass further and further away, nor is it limited to the speed of light.
	Every person, every sentient being on all the higher planes, have their thoughts instantly reach every part of the universe simultaneously without becoming weaker.
	I understand that concept.
	It would be pretty tough to pray to God if God happens to be a few hundred thousand light years away and you had to wait for the speed of light to get your request over there.
	Now, higher beings create by the power of their thought.
	As I said earlier, archangels create matter, primarily mentally precipitating hydrogen atoms in order to form stars.
	An angel gathered planets from solar dust by dint of their mental power and they evolved plants and animals step by step from primitive life forms to more complex ones by mentally creating a progression of vital bodies from the successful predecessors.
	And beings on the celestial plane, their job is to organize galaxies and create human souls in their image.
	Now, when angels developed a human life form on the planet that they put together in the And human souls are assigned to that planet to be installed in the human animals in order to gain knowledge and work towards angelic advancement themselves.
	Sounds like a complicated Sim City.
	Well, it really does.
	I mean, the process of creation of a city is kind of like an organism in the way it operates.
	And you're suggesting creation in sort of the same way.
	Right.
	And most people can understand that one.
	Every human spirit has the built-in potential to achieve angelic intelligence eventually, so he or she can, in their turn, form a planet and evolve life upon it.
	That's the intended destiny for all of us.
	The Brotherhood of Saints consists of men and women who have learned both clairvoyance and mystic awareness.
	If they have a history of good works and are willing to work with other saints, they are invited to be part of the Brotherhood, and as such are called initiates.
	You have initiates in all different kinds of secret societies.
	The masons have it, right?
	Yeah, but this is another level up.
	Another level.
	There are twelve degrees of brotherhood.
	The first seven are accomplished during a long series of incarnations until a person learns the principles behind everything on the physical plane.
	Then he or she is known as an adept.
	The next five degrees are accomplished primarily in the spiritual realms until knowledge of
	everything on the first four planes of existence is mastered.
	Attaining twelfth degree entitles a spirit to the rank of mastership and somewhat more
	than 100 million of the 13 billion souls assigned to this planet have become masters.
	Sounds slightly militaristic.
	I guess it could be because it's pretty organized.
	I was sort of joking with you.
	In other words, there's a hierarchy of rank, really, so I'm not that far off, in a way.
	Which is based entirely upon ability, and not upon politics.
	Well, I can assure you that anybody who would be able to demonstrate creation through thought would be thought of by somebody like myself as A God?
	No, but we're all co-creators with God.
	I mean, there's a lot of things which you have mentally brought into a picture, and everything has to be visualized by somebody before it can be brought into physical existence.
	That's right.
	That's true.
	You decide on building a house.
	There's a whole bunch of visualization steps as you go through, and then you start gathering materials and people.
	You're right.
	That, of course, is correct.
	And you're saying that occurs On ascending planes, as well, at different levels.
	It goes on and on.
	Now, is this what some people call dimensions?
	Is this a synonym for different dimensions, Richard?
	Well, I guess you could call it... I mean, there's many different ways of trying to express this idea.
	Well, a lot of modern theoretical physicists are now talking about as many as ten dimensions or more.
	That they believe that is so.
	Yeah, they're trying to organize the phenomena they are seeing evidence of.
	Places, for example, where, for lack of a better word, where there is not time, and there is not space, nor the speed of light, as we understand things here to be.
	Things with completely different physical laws.
	That's who I was saying.
	And time, incidentally, is only experience on the first two planes.
	After that, it doesn't exist.
	Doesn't exist.
	So much of this sounds so possible, and yet so different from what we have been taught.
	Hold on, Richard, and we will get back to you and take some calls, too.
	You have questions for Richard?
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	So what do you think, folks?
	Am I a member of one of those organizations?
	Possibly even the Brotherhood?
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
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	I really think that's what it's all about, folks.
	Personally, that is.
	But we are talking about May 5th of 2000.
	Once it was sort of, I don't know, esoteric.
	And a long way away.
	But this is September of 1999.
	May 5th, 2000.
	That's beginning to get kind of close.
	All right, back to our guest now.
	We're talking about the Brotherhood, or actually Brotherhoods, because it is plural.
	There apparently are many of these, or some of these, around the world, with information about what's going to happen to Earth, what we're going to go through, and what we're all about.
	And that's what we have been discussing with Richard Kinnager, who is my guest.
	And somebody writes, we're going to take a few calls here in a moment, through the top of the hour, but somebody writes and asks the following of Richard.
	I guess it's not a question, but they want to comment on his art.
	The scientific theory of crustal displacement was first put forth by Charles Hapgood.
	While still not embraced by mainstream science, Albert Einstein was much impressed by the theory.
	Here is an exact quote he wrote in a letter to Hapgood.
	Einstein, quote, I find your arguments very impressive and have the impression that your
	hypothesis is correct. One can hardly doubt that significant shifts of the crust of the
	earth have taken place repeatedly and within a short time.
	End quote, Albert Einstein, May 8th, 1953. And they'd like you to comment on that if
	you would, Richard.
	Thank you.
	Well, I read 5-5-2000 by Richard Noon.
	I've had him on the air.
	Yeah, who incidentally first learned about 5-5-2000 by reading Ultimate Frontier.
	Your book.
	That's why I was the one who wrote the foreword to his book.
	I see.
	An awful lot of information from massive research really turned him on.
	Another man who got involved from having read that book was Tom Valentine.
	I don't know if you've heard that name before.
	I know the name, yes.
	He wrote a lot of things.
	There's quite a bit about the Great Pyramid at Giza in the Ultimate Frontier and that
	spurred him along to further information that he managed to gather.
	I've certainly been exposed to Einstein's letter.
	Okay.
	Yes, certain kinds of scientific minds will give credence to certain things if there's enough points that just make sense.
	And, of course, that depends upon evidence that has been gathered, too.
	All right, then let me throw a little bit of dissent at you, all right?
	A little what?
	Dissent.
	This comes from a NASA source.
	And I'm sure you can anticipate what they are going to say, but what, in fact, they say is the following.
	On May 5, 2000, the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn will be, more or less, positioned in a line with the Sun.
	Additionally, the Moon will be almost lined up between the Earth and the Sun.
	Although this has led to many dire predictions of global catastrophes like melting ice caps, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, and so forth, There is absolutely no scientific basis for these claims.
	The distance to the planets is too great for their gravity, magnetic fields, radiation, and so forth, to have any discernible effect on Earth.
	In fact, we won't even be able to see this alignment, as all the planets will be on the opposite side of the Sun from the Earth.
	So, what would you say to that?
	Well, that means The whole solar system is essentially arrayed against us with nothing behind us to balance it.
	But there's other things too.
	But their case here was that the gravity or the effect from one planetary body to the next is so infinitesimal that even with this alignment occurring, there's no scientific basis for predicting anything dire.
	Well, do you remember a book called The Jupiter Effect?
	Actually, I do.
	Now that you mention it, what was that?
	That was a scientific gathering of how various positions of the planets influence our planet.
	And that wasn't astrologers or anything like that.
	They were just through experience noticing that there's disruptions of radio and communications when certain planets are in certain positions, and every time they Come back to those positions that would have the same effect again.
	So some kind of thing.
	And I say, gravitationally, it's hard to believe that that alone would be a problem.
	But there's other problems with the imbalancing of the ice caps on our planet, particularly in Greenland and Antarctica.
	We're beginning to notice seabed volcanism, which Essentially is a source of El Nino, the heating of the Pacific.
	And the sun is going to be experiencing periods of high solar flare activity.
	No doubt about that.
	This is expected to peak in early 2000.
	That is correct.
	And third, there's cosmic dust now entering Earth's atmosphere from the direction of the galactic core.
	It must be two o'clock in the morning here.
	And this indicates that there are Superwaves are carrying massive amounts of gamma rays and cosmic dust and high energy electrons generated by the galactic core explosions and are approaching and beginning to bombard our solar system now.
	And also the Sun and the Earth are aligned on the ecliptic with the galactic core in 1999 and 2000, which greatly intensifies the geomagnetic forces that the Earth is subjected to.
	And any one of those four factors, not to mention combined force, could severely disrupt the geologic or geomagnetic equilibrium of our planet, and it's very possible to trigger major earthquakes and further volcanic eruptions worldwide.
	I have some people that would like to ask questions of you, so let me see if I can fit them in here.
	Would that be alright?
	Yeah, well... Alright, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Richard Kinnager and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	How are you doing, Art?
	All right, where are you?
	I'm in a place called Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
	All right.
	Out there in the heartland.
	I listen to you guys all the time, and you guys are talking about brotherhoods, and I've got some questions I hope maybe you guys can answer for me.
	One, have either one of you ever heard of the World Constitution and Parliament Association?
	I have not.
	You have not?
	Okay.
	Richard, you have, or have you?
	No, I have not.
	All right.
	You haven't?
	Okay.
	It must be really secret.
	Well, it's involved with the Masons.
	You better not tell us more.
	Better not say any more, huh?
	Well, there's one more thing I wanted to run by you guys.
	You know, on our $1 bill, we've got that pyramid on it, right?
	That's correct.
	With the eye.
	The all-seeing eye of Ball, I guess.
	That's right.
	The all-seeing eye.
	Right.
	And I didn't know that Franklin D. Roosevelt was who put that on there.
	And he himself was a 33rd degree Mason.
	I mean, these brotherhoods that we're talking about and discussing, it just kind of freaks me out that something that long ago could have been put on our actual currency, you know, proclaiming a new world order back in the 40s.
	I mean, and the all-seeing eye of Baal, doesn't that stand for Beelzebub?
	I mean, I don't know, these brotherhoods, they've been around forever, and it's obvious that there's a certain power, a methodic power, that's controlling these brotherhoods.
	Because to be able to pass it down from generation to generation to generation, this goal or this plan, so to say... So you're saying you just think there is something to it?
	Oh, I definitely think there's something to it, because like I was trying to say, my father passed away.
	And when he did, one of these brotherhoods came after me and my brother.
	And you know another thing, these oaths... They came after you?
	Well, I wouldn't say came after me, but they certainly wanted us involved with what my family was involved with.
	I see.
	And it's at the Lodges rather than the Brotherhood of Saints.
	Yeah, and I don't know anything at all, sir, about the Brotherhood of Saints.
	All I know is I believe in Christ with all my heart, and I believe this world's messed up in all kinds of ways, and I'm just trying to find positive things to focus on, you know?
	It seems like every day it's one more negative thing, and when I look at, you know, the dollar bill behind this country, and I've had family that's died for this country and everything else, and I see this pyramid, which is basically, you know, it's like pyramid marketing.
	The reason that the capstone separated from the rest of the pyramid is because he hasn't joined it yet.
	Alright, well let's get some comment from Richard on the eye, Richard.
	The pyramid in the eye, you wish there was one on there?
	Part of the Great Seal of the United States, which was designed by Franklin and a couple of his cohorts a long time ago.
	It has certain kinds of meanings and certain lodges.
	I'm not members of any lodge, so I shouldn't be in a position of saying anything.
	But there are two New World Orders functioning, one which has been designed by Christ himself Uh... through the agency of the Brotherhood and of course uh... there is a number of people who are very well fixed financially in the world who uh... want to create another kind of new world order and as a matter of fact uh... Hitler claimed that he had a new world order and uh... I suppose there's quite a few people who come up with that phrase over time uh... George Bush most recently.
	Yeah and right but he he represents a No, the international bankers, I think, when he talks about his New World Order.
	And I think that you need to be very careful as to which New World Order you're talking about.
	I think that the ones who came up with this later have used that term to kind of poo-poo the efforts of the higher beings to create a true civilization again like we had in Well, Richard, I would say this, and I have said this to my audience about the new world order.
	If there are people, powerful, rich people, behind the scenes, pulling strings and having things happen the way they want them to happen, toward an ultimate goal of a single control, or one world order, whatever you want to call it.
	So far, they're really doing a lousy job, because things are totally screwed up.
	I see no order at all.
	I see chaos.
	I see war.
	I see dissension.
	I see man fighting man and killing man in the name of various gods.
	I don't see any order to it at all.
	So anyway, that's just my view.
	And even those people who are highly involved in that financial, let's say, New World Order, are in disarray themselves.
	I mean, they can't decide who... Well, if they can't take care of themselves, how are they going to take care of us, would be my question.
	Hi there, on the wildcard line, you're on the air with Richard Kennedy during our bell.
	Hello, how are you?
	Okay, I can barely hear you yell at us.
	Hi, how are you?
	That's better.
	Where are you?
	Nancy in Redwood City.
	All right, Nancy.
	What's up?
	Congratulations, this fantastic program.
	It's an honor to talk to both of you.
	And I want to mention I just came back from Chichen Itza in Yucatan in Mexico.
	Oh, yes.
	And there was a three-hour tour that we had.
	And, you know, they did not indicate that it was the end of the Mayan calendar just last week.
	I thought that was an interesting point.
	I also wanted to mention that the interesting thing about Chichen Itza was they did confirm that there are crystals within the pyramid there.
	And I think it's more than coincidence that there are very huge crystals in each pyramid.
	And I would guess that it would be crystals in the pyramid in Mars.
	And I wonder about your comment about this, Richard.
	In regard to is it possible that these crystals could all be aligned and so they're all coordinates and that perhaps that could be responsible for the fact that we are in a certain time dimension in that alignment could be that could be the key to the alignment that keeps us in this dimension.
	Is that possible?
	This universe is so incredibly fascinating that So many things are possible that I haven't even begun to imagine and know absolutely nothing about that I would not poo-poo hardly anything anymore.
	Yeah, I've learned not to do that, too.
	It always bites me in the butt later.
	All right, we don't have a lot of time here.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Richard Kinnager and Art Valheim.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello, Richard.
	How do you do?
	I'd like to ask a question to Richard if the different energy bodies he discussed can be used for healing the Physical body?
	Well, I don't know if you can use it as a... Oh, okay.
	Not the right word, but they're definitely involved.
	You mean like, for example, like Edgar Cayce?
	Yes.
	Well, and specifically, there's a... some people call it pseudoscience, but I've read a lot about it.
	Radionics, David Tansley, he uses the same Eastern concept of causal bodies, mental bodies.
	Yep.
	Actually, it's a very, very good question, Richard.
	Like Edgar Cayce, who could Reach out and make a diagnosis and or affect a change and or even a remission or a cure in an individual.
	Quite well documented.
	How was he able to do that?
	He himself said that he was in contact with perhaps physicians who had lived at various times.
	He did say that, yes.
	But he was also, he could not distinguish between Good entities and negative entities giving information, but all of the stuff that came through in the curative angles certainly is very compelling to say that those spirits he was in contact with really knew what was going on.
	So far as history and future and things of that sort, I don't know.
	I'm not really positively impressed by some of the things that came through him.
	I don't remember the exact title.
	I've read about six of his books since the fourth grade.
	I'm 36 years old, calling from near Los Alamos.
	He's on the air with Richard Kinnunen and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Good evening, Art.
	Hi.
	On that date, May 5th, the date that is in Edgar Cayce's book, I don't remember the exact
	title.
	I've read about six of his books since the fourth grade.
	I'm 36 years old.
	I'm calling from near Los Alamos.
	A couple of things that were very interesting in your guest's comments are the other dimension,
	and we know of another dimension on the other side of the speed of light where time and
	space does not exist.
	Things do disappear.
	But Edgar Cayce was quite right in predicting earthquakes, volcanic activity, and a stepped up rate of all of these, you know, travesties that have been happening to our Earth lately.
	It's going to be an interesting time to be alive over the next half year or so.
	A lot of what your guest is allowing this evening is right in line with Edgar Cayce.
	And if he hasn't read Edgar Cayce's books, it's very interesting how he came up with the date of 5-5-2000.
	Well, I imagine you have read Cayce's works, or at least some of them, haven't you, Richard?
	Yeah, a couple of things.
	There's just so much that he He wrote and the A.R.E.
	puts out.
	It would be hard for me to keep up with it and earn a living at the same time.
	But I'm not trying to poo-poo him in any way.
	Just that, as I said, he was unable to distinguish which kind of spirits were dealing through him and what their motivations were and things of that sort.
	Whereas the Brotherhood is?
	Well, in my experience, you know, and all I can talk about is my experience.
	I understand that.
	I can't, you know, you get into these situations and you say, well, my belief is right and yours is wrong.
	I know.
	And shouting matches and that doesn't get anywhere.
	Right, it never goes anywhere.
	I'm just passing along what I've been told and it seems to work for me.
	The book, The Element Frontier, and as well The Hidden Christ, have, you know, far more cogently developed Arguments in these directions and I can just give off the top of my head in a discussion of this sort.
	All right, so if somebody really wants to find out more about what we've been discussing tonight, The Ultimate Frontier or The Hidden Christ would be books you'd recommend, your books available, are they both generally available?
	Yes, uh-huh.
	Baker and Taylor wholesales them and Amazon.com handles them.
	And we sell them directly, too.
	If people are interested in buying the Ultima Frontier, we sell it for $4.95 and we pay the postage.
	Oh, that's not much at all!
	No, it's only 256 pages, so it's not very expensive.
	And we price it in order for getting the information out more than anything else.
	I understand.
	Yeah, and the hidden price is a little different.
	Pricing, however, that's $8.95 plus a $1.05 postage.
	By today's standards for book prices, that's nothing.
	As I said, we're not doing this in order to get rich.
	To get the information out.
	To get the information out to people, because they can use it.
	Richard, I appreciate your being here tonight, and what can I tell you?
	Hang in with the Brotherhood.
	Good night, Richard.
	Good night.
	That was Richard Keninger.
	I think, if you read between the lines, obviously a member of the Brotherhood.
	That's just an opinion.
	Mine.
	I'm Art Bell, and we'll be back with Open Lines next.
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	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from September 22nd, 1999.
	Music.
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	Long as I remember, the sea been coming down Clouds of mystery pouring, confusion on the ground
	Couldn't get through the late ages, trying to find the sun And I wonder, still I wonder, who stopped the rain?
	I went down Virginia, seeking shelter from the storm Caught up in the fable, watched the tower fall
	Body of flames undue, wrapped in golden chains And I wonder, still I wonder, who stopped the rain?
	Tonight's program originally aired September 22, 1999.
	Well, I guess the rain has stopped for George C. Scott.
	And I guess for all of us, that's when the rain stops.
	Otherwise, trampling about on Mother Earth, it keeps raining.
	I sure do wish him well, wherever he is, and he's got to be in a good place.
	Damn it all, George C. Scott really was, I guess, one of my top, maybe top three or four actors.
	Anthony Hopkins is at the top of the list.
	I have so much admiration for that man.
	But George C. Scott.
	Whenever there was a movie with George C. Scott, I would, of course, watch it.
	He's probably best known for Patton.
	It was his portrayal of General Patton.
	It's a great movie, of course.
	But he did an awful lot more that was awfully good, so the world has lost one of the great ones, for sure.
	George C. Scott, dead at the age of 71.
	No cause yet.
	I've got kind of an interesting facts from somebody that I would like to read for you in a moment.
	It's actually from I think the state of New Jersey, which makes it even more interesting.
	That's coming right up.
	Okay.
	day.
	This is pretty interesting.
	Mr. Bell, up until last Friday, I had discounted the problems that might come awry with the coming of Y2K to the point of laughing at such alarmists.
	I'm going to take the coming of Y2K more seriously and prepare for the worst now.
	I'm from Somerset, New Jersey.
	Somerset County, New Jersey, actually.
	And you might have seen it on the television or in the newspapers, but we had a major flooding problem from Hurricane Floyd.
	Luckily, I live in a town that was unaffected by floodwaters, but not immune from the repercussions.
	For the last four days, over a million people have had little or no water as the water treatment plant flooded and is inoperable until the cleanup is finished, which they say will take up to several more days to complete.
	Even if you have water coming out of the tap, you can't drink it without boiling it for three minutes for fear of microorganisms in the untreated water.
	You can't wash laundry, wash dishes, or even yourself until those restrictions are lifted.
	You cannot find bottled water within a 40 mile radius And even food was scarce on the store shelves.
	Some towns have to resort to National Guard water trucks parked at local schools or libraries and ration water to the tune of 20 gallons a family.
	Over the weekend, we only had money that was on hand because we had little or no access to our money in the bank.
	Since the switching station for AT&T in Roselle Park was damaged in the flood and the machines couldn't call out To complete the transaction.
	Matter of fact, we felt that all the way out here in Nevada.
	He says, from what I've read, people across the nation, and I'm confirming that now, had trouble with ATM machines that were not hardwired into a phone system, just from one station being down.
	Also due to damage at that switching station, we could not use our cell phones or the phones in our homes to call or receive To check on what was going on or how anybody was doing.
	The only thing that many people in New Jersey are wondering about is the emergency broadcast system or should I say the non-activation of it.
	People were awakened in the middle of the night from the sound of helicopters and police banging on their doors.
	There's an investigation going on now as to why the EBS system was not activated or did not work.
	With all of that said and done, It is not the problems that we faced that has me scared about Y2K.
	I can live with no phones, no money, little food, little water, without any problem.
	But people's actions scare me.
	Over the last four days, I have seen the best and worst in people.
	I've seen people risk life and limb to save one another.
	Scores of people volunteer to help in any way they can.
	Donations of food, money, lodging, That sort of thing.
	But what scares me about Y2K is the bad in people.
	See, I've seen and heard of widespread looting of flooded homes and businesses, antique dealers driving around picking up stuff that people had put out on the curb, even people being bold enough to go on porches and or lawns to take stuff that was out there drying out.
	Also, people were charging two to three hundred dollars To pump out a basement, the fire departments were doing it for free.
	So you see Art, I'm going to take Y2K seriously now.
	Not because of the good, but the bad in people.
	That's something to contemplate, isn't it?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Hi, I'm glad I made it.
	I have some information for Art Bell.
	That's me.
	Oh, that's you?
	Yep.
	Is this Art?
	Yes!
	Oh my god, okay, September 1st and September 2nd.
	I was trying to, um, um, a couple days ago you had Dr. Steven Greer on?
	Yes.
	And you were talking, he was talking about a harmonic, um, tone, um, along with a laser?
	Yes.
	As a signal beacon?
	Correct.
	Okay, on October, uh, no, excuse me, September 1st, I, um, did an experiment.
	I turned on my laser, and it, uh, It's a holographic laser projector and I will confirm to you that there were some military jets dispatched low altitude through groups of two.
	What were you projecting?
	What image were you projecting?
	It's a laser and it does a holographic design.
	That means the light twists and turns in a three-dimensional way so that it can be seen
	from, or picked up by sensors from, three dimensions.
	Do you follow me?
	And so you're saying military jets responded?
	Yes.
	Do you realize how much that costs us taxpayers?
	Yeah, I know.
	I realize that I might have inadvertently set off NORAD.
	How would you like to have had a sidewinder down your chimney?
	They would have been very liable, I think.
	However, they were flying over.
	They did one pass over and then they continued southeast and they kicked their afterburner.
	I will confirm that.
	You did it again?
	I will also confirm that you did it again?
	Yes I did and it's on right now Art.
	You know, you are going to get yourself in trouble.
	Well, I'm waiting for them to knock at me, but I don't know what's illegal about it.
	I shine it up to the sky, I turn on it for the sunset, and what's interesting to know is they're not flying military jets around anymore.
	If they're doing anything, it's low-key.
	It's airplanes and helicopters.
	The last helicopter I saw was two nights ago.
	Black helicopter, gold seal on the bottom.
	And these guys that work at the gas station... That's the seal of the Brotherhood, sir.
	Well, it could be.
	And they work at this gas station, so they're more apt to see everything that goes on at night.
	Well, look, you'll get one call, so...
	If you're able to, when they get you, make your one call to me, and we'll put you on the air, and we'll talk to you about what happened.
	All right?
	Well, they're checking me out, that's for sure.
	I know that.
	Yeah, no doubt.
	Well, it wouldn't be a sidewinder.
	I think it does air-to-air.
	It's some sort of a modified signal-seeking missile right down the old chimney.
	Or, more likely, guys in black suits and black helicopters and black cars.
	Shiny black shoes.
	Open up!
	It's the federal government!
	Hey, you with the laser!
	Open that door!
	First time caller line, you're on the air, hi.
	See, you know, when people do that, they hurt Howard.
	Because Howard should be represented by a more intellectual group of people.
	Then only to say Baba Booey.
	I mean, it's okay to say Baba Booey.
	But then you should go on and try and be at least semi-witty.
	So that you're representing your God as you wish him represented.
	But just to utter that and to hang up is doing your master a disservice.
	In fact, really it's an insult to him.
	Because when you listen to him at times, at least, he's very witty.
	At times he's very acidic.
	But to represent him in that manner, I think, is a disservice to him.
	If you love him, as I know you claim you do.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes?
	Art?
	Yes?
	Yes, George C. Scott is dead.
	This is Mitch in Vancouver.
	Mitch, I'm so sorry.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's pretty sad.
	It's really a big loss.
	Where are the actors of George C. Scott's Caliber coming from.
	Well, hopefully they will materialize.
	Yeah, hopefully they'll materialize.
	Yeah.
	The guest you had on earlier, Richard.
	Yes.
	He was talking about the alignment of the planets.
	Was that in May?
	Yes, 5-5-2000, May 5th.
	Right.
	Now, there's another date in June.
	Where the same amount of planets, maybe one or two less, are also in a line.
	And I never ever hear anybody talk about it.
	Maybe that's... You remember the old theory that there were so many nuclear weapons in the world that eventually the ones coming down would only reshuffle the atomized dust that lay on the ground.
	In other words, there'd be nothing left to kill or destroy.
	Yes.
	So maybe it's like that.
	In other words, Well, I've been a listener for just over a couple of years now.
	It's the first time I've gotten through.
	that's right if you believe in all of that yes right well i've been a listener for just over a couple years now
	first time i've gotten through enjoy your show greatly
	well i'm sure glad you made it yeah great um...
	i'll listen to the show later alright thank you very much for the call take care
	spit the dust around a little more i don't know
	i really don't know wildcard line you're on the air
	Hello.
	Hey, Art.
	How's it going?
	It's going.
	This is Jason, Wisconsin.
	Yes, Jason.
	I was curious about the contrails.
	What's up with that?
	Yes.
	What's the latest news?
	Death.
	Misery.
	Population reduction.
	I thought you were saying you had some photos of them on the runways and stuff like that.
	White planes.
	What happened with that?
	I didn't say that.
	I could have sworn you did.
	No.
	Now I've had... I thought you said you had some breaking news on that about a month ago.
	I never heard anything like that.
	I've had William Thomas on a number of times, and I'm sure you've heard what he's had to say about them.
	Yeah, I've heard what he has to say, but no one has any answers.
	That's the weird thing about it.
	I know.
	I really think something is going on, but I'm not the guy with the answers.
	Yep, I'm not the guy with the answers.
	I honestly don't know.
	I like your new noise between breaks.
	That's interesting.
	Oh, the little thing that marks the breaks?
	Yeah, you should play that.
	There's a reason for that.
	And what's that?
	Well, certain radio stations do certain other things at that moment.
	And so we're giving them, like, a little warning.
	But it is a cool sound.
	That's a pretty cool sound, huh?
	I agree, I agree.
	Yeah.
	I like it.
	All right.
	I hope something develops.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	It's kind of serendipitous that the caller called in earlier about the Nag Hammadi texts because I had just opened that book not more than a half hour earlier and was sitting at my table reading it.
	Synchronicity, sir.
	Synchronicity.
	I was wondering if you wanted the ISBN of that book so you could look through it.
	Well, I'm sure that I can go find it on Amazon, can't I?
	You probably should be able to.
	It's available in a $30 book and a $125 book.
	What's the difference?
	Does a $125 book have more truth?
	I sure hope not, because I'm cheap.
	It must be like Gold Leaf or something.
	Yeah, probably.
	It might have the original Greek, whatever, papyrus text beside it or something.
	I don't know.
	I'll settle for the $30 version.
	Good luck in finding it.
	It's actually very, very interesting.
	It's very cumbersome to get through because there's sections missing and they have a lot of ellipses.
	Apparently it's quite controversial as well.
	One of the reasons I thought you would be more familiar with it is because it's referenced so many times in Stigmata.
	Oh?
	Yes.
	Well, look, first of all, I don't know a lot about Stigmata.
	The motion picture, I have not seen it.
	But I know that people are talking about it like crazy, and I'm going to see it, and I'm going to have the director on, if I'm lucky, tomorrow night.
	Yeah, they referenced the book of Thomas many times.
	Really?
	In the movie, so... What is the basic storyline of Stigmatic?
	Can you, without giving it away too much, you know, or important parts, can you tell us generally?
	I studied film.
	I hate when people give too much away, so I will be generous about that.
	A woman is manifesting the stigmata and a member of the Catholic Church, basically an
	inquisition type of segment in the Catholic Church who is sent to cover up things if they
	are too controversial, is sent to investigate.
	Despite his higher ups telling him not to pursue this any further, he continues to pursue
	the case.
	Sounds very good.
	Well, we all know the Catholic Church in reality never covers anything up, right?
	Never.
	Goodbye, sir.
	Thank you.
	I'm looking forward to that tomorrow night.
	As you know, I perhaps conducted the most comprehensive interviews ever done on radio with Fr.
	Malachi Martin.
	who also has passed away and
	he was very much aware of these sorts of things, stigmata the phenomena of stigmata, so I'm really looking forward to
	that and I have every expectation that we will have the director of
	that movie on tomorrow night to talk about the phenomena and the movie
	Do I believe in that?
	Thank you.
	Yes, I do.
	Do I believe that the manifestation could occur if a person believed it strongly enough?
	In other words, it could be a product of their own faith and belief.
	Yes, I think that's possible.
	But it is, at any rate, a very interesting topic.
	So, tomorrow night with Locke, the director of the movie, Stigmata.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Art Bell.
	That would be me.
	It's Deb Deb from Oakland.
	Hey.
	Hi there, KSFO land.
	Indeed.
	The reason I'm calling is because earlier this week I've been doing a lot of growth in the last three or four weeks and noticing a lot... Physically or mentally?
	Emotionally and spiritually and then it's manifesting physically.
	All kinds of really weird stuff happening.
	So you're not getting taller?
	No, but I notice weird... Anyway, that's not the reason I called.
	I notice weird physical manifestations when I'm doing a healing that feel very empathic.
	Oh, you do healings?
	Often, yes.
	For about 10 years.
	But the thing is, there are many of us that do.
	The reason I'm calling is because we were talking yesterday about you know the power of the Art Bell Forum and the fact that Hilly Rose and all the other you know different you know Whitley and everybody's getting involved.
	Oh yes.
	And we were thinking since and there were a few of us and today my cousin and I were talking that you know how Joe Firmage and Bob Bigelow and you know everybody you know there's a lot of I don't blame you.
	these people and you know how we're always griping about how
	and that work news isn't you know telling any news that
	i don't even watch the television news anymore i don't blame you
	uh... i used to be addicted i mean i'd have it on all the time but then i
	realized that they were just feeding me what they wanted so what what are you saying that there should be an
	alternative network financed well isn't that the idea?
	It would be great, but you know, that's the way... Is it possible?
	Well, that's the way CNN began.
	Remember?
	In the beginning, CNN was really different.
	But as the years went by, CNN began to get closer to ABC and CBS and NBC until, well, recently.
	It's pretty hard to tell the difference between them.
	So, you know, things always start out well.
	Listen, I've got to rock on here.
	Understood.
	God bless you.
	Well, thank you for the call.
	Thanks.
	Good idea, actually.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 22nd, 1999.
	The Coast to Coast AM concert was held at the San Francisco International Airport on September 22nd, 1999.
	The concert was held at the San Francisco International Airport on September 22nd, 1999.
	This time turns me off and I don't mean maybe 9 to 5 ain't a technique where I'm bound
	When it's gone I run out to see my baby We get through this when the sun goes down
	I thank the Lord for the night time Can't forget the day
	A day of up uptight time Made me chase it away
	I get a relaxation This time's through
	I thank the Lord for the night time I thank the Lord for you
	I thank the Lord for the night time I'll talk about playin' now baby
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 22nd, 1999.
	It's another classic.
	Mr. Diamond thanked the Lord for the nighttime.
	Happy Me Too.
	Daytime, that's for everybody else.
	I, and you should too.
	Good morning everybody.
	Ah well.
	I didn't run the one going in, but I ran one earlier for Grin, so... But that wouldn't count, would it?
	Ah, new stuff.
	Hard for old bones to learn new stuff.
	Here's a pretty interesting fax.
	It's gonna be a little hard to read, because it didn't come through quite right, but it says, Dear Art, I'm living in a downcast hell right now.
	I'm right in the middle of all the flooding here in North Carolina.
	I often wondered what I would do if I was put into the situation of others starving while I had saved for Y2K.
	Well, guess what?
	It just happened.
	No one had food and water.
	And I had it all.
	It took me eight months to collect to save the water, the beans, the rice, because I live on a moderate income.
	But, you know, You know what?
	I gave it all away.
	I couldn't survive while others didn't and did without.
	My heart was weak when they needed, so now I've got to start all over again.
	But I will.
	Thanks for getting me motivated.
	You saved a lot of people out here from going hungry.
	And I can't read.
	I think it's Brenda or Sandra.
	I can't read the signature at the bottom, but you get the idea, right?
	People tend to not want to listen to this kind of thing until it's too late.
	By the way, the Romeo and Juliet I was referring to was the one with Olivia Hussey.
	Oh, she was unbelievable in that movie.
	Olivia Hussey.
	It was just simply unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	And I've got a copy of that.
	I think it was my favorite version of Romeo and Juliet.
	And that was because of Olivia Hussey.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Howard.
	How are you doing tonight?
	Just fine, sir.
	Good.
	This is Robert from Saskatchewan, Canada.
	Yes, sir.
	Up by the crop circle there.
	Yes, indeed.
	I was wondering, Ed Dames, you had him on a while back.
	Yes.
	He was talking about some kind of fungus or something that was going to hit the crop.
	Yes, that's right.
	Do you remember what he called it?
	It was a, what do you call it, a fungus.
	That's exactly what it is.
	And you know, whether you believe it or not, I've had I don't know how many legitimate wire reports of a new fungus on the African continent that has re-emerged.
	They're saying anyway, the scientists are saying it has re-emerged.
	That at one time killed two-thirds of all the crops in Africa.
	I'm not saying that's Dames Fungus, but there is a fungus there.
	Yeah, well up here in Canada, they're having a problem with their grain too.
	There's a fungus that's been growing on it called Perkett.
	Oh?
	And they're talking about how they've been advertising how you can clean it out of your grain and all that kind of stuff.
	I was just wondering if that was the same stuff he was talking about or not.
	My comment would be, I hope not.
	I hope not, too, because the way he sounded like, uh, if this stuff was in the food chain, it could do some serious damage.
	They don't call him Dr. Doom for nothing.
	Yeah, right.
	Thank you for the call, sir.
	Okay, thanks.
	Take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	How you doing?
	Um, I'm doing... Good.
	I love your show.
	I couldn't, uh, work at night without it.
	Well, it is different.
	Yeah.
	Listen, about three months ago, Hilly was doing a show.
	And somebody phoned in that was trying to get a hold of you.
	They were going to do a presentation.
	Live.
	Like, live in front of you.
	For, uh, free energy.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'll... I've been waiting a long time for that.
	Nobody got in touch with you about that, then?
	Well, nobody's brought a... done a demonstration yet.
	As to that, I was hoping that, uh, would have come to pass.
	Well...
	I hope it comes to pass before I pass, thank you.
	But I'm not depending on it.
	I don't know.
	Free energy, I don't think there is free energy ever.
	I don't think there's ever going to be free energy.
	Con Ed won't have it.
	I might have garnered a few chuckles back east.
	Anyway, Pacific Gas and Electric won't have it.
	You know what I mean.
	And anyway, I don't think there will be.
	Even if there is a source of energy yet untapped, zero point, whatever you want to call it, there would have to be a mechanism to convert it and distribute it and all the rest of that.
	And they would always manage to charge for that.
	So I don't think there ever, ever is going to be free energy as such.
	First time caller online, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, my name is Sally.
	Sally, turn your radio off for us, please.
	Okay.
	That's always number one when you get on the air.
	Turn off that radio.
	We have a delay system.
	It is confusing.
	Okay.
	It's off.
	Alright, Sally.
	I'm calling from Redondo Beach.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to let you know that the books that the guy was talking about on an earlier call is called the Nag Hammadi Library or the Apocrypha.
	The difference between Those books and the books in the regular Bible, if they were decided that they were of questionable authorship, and they have things in them like that Jesus wasn't born in a manger, that he was born in a cave, that the cave was lit up without any torches or anything after Jesus was born.
	It also has a book, the book of Thomas, where it refers to The fact that Thomas, which was one of the disciples, was Jesus' twin brother.
	So there are a lot of different things in there that's different than what's taught in the regular Bible.
	And I just wanted to also mention the fact that there is another book, I don't know if you're aware of it, that's about 5-5-2000?
	Yes.
	And it's called 5-5-2000.
	Yes.
	And it's called 552000.
	And you might want to have that author on the end.
	I would be more than happy to.
	You know me, I'll explore anything.
	It's 552,000 ice, the ultimate disaster.
	I believe, is that Richard Noon?
	Uh-huh.
	Alright, yes, I've had him on, but I would be happy to explore having him back on the air again.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, I just wanted to let you know that Nag Hammadi writings are also referred to in Holy Blood, Holy Grail quite a few times.
	Oh?
	And I wanted to ask you, I know you had Sylvia Brown and also, I can't remember his name, but the Remote Viewer.
	Have they ever said anything about 552000?
	Let me think about that.
	No, not that I'm aware of.
	I think they've been asked about it, but didn't react.
	Okay, thank you.
	Right, thank you.
	No, as far as I know, they have been asked.
	You know, people call in and ask about that sort of thing, but there was no particular reaction.
	Now, Ed Dames, of course, spoke of a year past which he could not see.
	Pretty freaky stuff.
	In other words, there was activity, all kinds of human activity, and suddenly it was like a psychic wall was up and there was nothing beyond it.
	Pretty strange.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	It's Pamela in Seattle.
	The planetary alignment is about us all being able to take a vote about something.
	What do you suppose they want us to take a vote about?
	To take a vote about something?
	First of all, why do you believe that?
	Well, like a group conscience, you know, that we all have the chance to express an opinion to our keepers or God or whomever about a certain issue.
	What do you suppose would be a common issue to the human race?
	I'm sorry, Art.
	There's such a long pause here.
	Well, there's a pause because I'm thinking.
	Okay.
	Well, darling, after the show, you think.
	But right now, we have to talk.
	And I'll talk if you can't.
	But it's probably not about whether or not Jesus rides a Harley.
	No.
	What is it?
	Well, drugs and alcohol.
	Oh, no.
	You know, all the people in prison.
	Oh, no.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	All the people in prison.
	This is so good.
	It's sneaking up on this.
	I know!
	See?
	It's the central issue.
	Surely there has got to be something else that you talk about from time to time.
	Something else that crosses your mind.
	Well, gambling, shopping, eating.
	Gambling?
	Shopping?
	Eating?
	What else do people get addicted to?
	The internet?
	Motorcycles?
	See, I don't know if motorcycles is in the category.
	I don't... Well... You know... I was actually... I was addicted to a motorcycle for a while.
	What kind did you have?
	Oh, just a little 90cc thing.
	Well, I just got my first motorcycle.
	It's a 175 Honda.
	Oh, so that's why you're talking about motorcycles.
	You meet the nicest people on a Honda.
	Well, it's because I've been sober for 13 years.
	God had to give me something to do, to give me something to pray about.
	You know, every time you get on the bike, you say a little angel of God prayer.
	Well, I guess you substitute one addiction for another.
	Well, you have to, Art, if your personality is developed to that point.
	Right, that's right.
	I understand that.
	Because you can't get sober until you learn how to drink.
	I understand.
	Okay, so it's not like drinking is a bad thing.
	What it is, is you learn to have a relationship to something outside you, and that's just practice for your relationship to God.
	But, Art, I want to talk about the prisons.
	I have a relationship to radios.
	For me, that's it.
	Radios and electronics, I have a relationship with those.
	And it would take more than a 12-step program to rip me away from them.
	I don't think I'd make it.
	Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Our bell?
	Yep.
	Oh, I've listened to your show for over a year.
	I really get a kick out of it.
	Well, thank you.
	I do, too.
	I was wondering, did anyone ever elaborate on the non-canonized books of the Bible?
	I was wondering if they specifically talked about the Apocrypha, the non-canonized books.
	Originally there were 16.
	They've already gone on all of them.
	Well, you're welcome to cover what you like.
	They're very controversial.
	I was specifically wondering, you often have a book on Hilly Rose as well.
	They talk about the ancient astronauts and so forth, and how this seems to correspond with... Well, like the Book of Enoch, when they specifically talk about what happened before the Flood, when you have the Sons of Man mixing with... Well, excuse me, the Daughters of Man mixing with the Sons of God.
	Nephilim.
	Yeah, and you end up creating giants and so forth, which seems to correspond with Babylonian mythology.
	But getting... I've lost the point already.
	I mean, getting back to that, did anyone ever mention specifically about how the legends of the ancient astronauts seem to mix with this stuff?
	Well, sure.
	Lots of people have talked about that.
	I had Vondonikin on.
	You must have missed that, huh?
	I work at night.
	Sometimes I get you.
	I go through medical buildings and the wiring messes up the reception on AM.
	I understand.
	You know, there's actually a way to cure that.
	Oh, I get you on the internet every now and then.
	Yeah, there's another way to cure it though.
	There is?
	You know what Bob Crane sells?
	He sells a little FM transmitter.
	And so what you do is you go to a window in the hospital And you set a little AM radio there in the window where it plays fine, right?
	And you take the output of the little AM radio and you plug it into the FM transmitter.
	And then you can walk around the hospital listening to your FM transmitter regurgitating the AM that's coming from the window perfectly.
	How much does it run?
	Not much.
	Call them.
	Ask.
	Okay.
	Pretty cool idea, huh?
	I think I've heard your commercials a few times.
	Oh, I haven't advertised that in a long time.
	But a secure one, that's really neat.
	It's a good way to go.
	If you live in a building where reception is just horrid, you get a little AM radio, you put it by a window with an FM transmitter, which is perfectly legal, and the FM signal will radiate uh... very well through the building and you simply listen on your fm radio and you've got interference free uh... radio all night long little hint for those of you in buildings like that gentleman west of the rockies you're on the air, hi.
	Hey Art, how you doing?
	This is Steve from Phoenix.
	I used to call you all the time a few years ago.
	I recall.
	You do?
	How you doing?
	Did you get my pages on evil people incorporated kind of a spoof?
	I emailed them to you?
	A bunch of them.
	I found them on the internet.
	They were very, very tongue-in-cheek.
	When?
	Oh, gosh.
	About two months ago?
	A month and a half ago?
	Well, I'm sorry.
	I don't recall.
	That's all right.
	I'm glad things are doing well, and I'm back in Phoenix.
	Actually, I'm in Glendale, and I'm listening to you, and I'm, again, concerned with the earthquakes.
	Yeah?
	How's Gordon, Michael Gordon, doing?
	Is he... Gordon Michael Scott?
	Yeah.
	Well, I imagine he's sort of shaking his head, yes.
	Right about now.
	Because I'm on the Internet now, so I'm really having fun.
	I haven't got screaming video or audio, because I've got Web TV.
	Right.
	But we're waiting for it.
	They're going to be giving it to us, so I can get all the... That's what I've heard, that those modifications are coming to Web TV soon.
	Yes, sir, they are.
	Well, I just wanted to call and say hi.
	I'm still listening, and keep up the good work, Art.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Okay.
	Later.
	Yeah, Web TV is making advances.
	And they're doing very well.
	They're usually a step behind, but they really are making every effort to catch up with the new technologies.
	It's a race for those folks, because, of course, they've got to download the software.
	They have to have provision in the Web TV unit, and then they have to download the software, and, you know, it's a lot of work.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	No, huh?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hey, Art Bell.
	Hey, yes.
	Uh, for one, ergot was the fungus mentioned.
	Yes.
	And that I'm sure of.
	And another thing, when are you going to have Greg Brayden on again?
	Pretty soon, probably.
	You've got a radio on, don't you?
	Yeah.
	You know that's a no-no, right?
	Okay.
	I'm in a troubled position.
	I got it.
	Okay.
	When am I going to have Greg Brayden on?
	I don't know, soon?
	Yeah, I find him fascinating.
	And I've been listening to your show on and off now for a good three years plus.
	My brother turned me on to you, and I just love what you do.
	And you're still reasonably sane.
	Yeah, I'm still sane.
	Totally sane.
	My body's not cooperating, but I'm still sane.
	No, I understand.
	And if I would send you an audio tape with just music I think you'd appreciate, would you listen?
	Oh, of course.
	I love music.
	You've got to give your address over maybe towards the end of the show if you can.
	Is that okay?
	It's getting very close right now.
	You want to write it down?
	I don't have anything to do it with.
	See, I'm paralyzed.
	I'm in bed, but I can prepare.
	Okay.
	Could you do that at the end?
	I will do that, but it's coming very soon.
	Okay, thank you much.
	All right, take care.
	I'm sure I'll get my address in.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	I can barely hear you yell at me.
	Yeah, is this Art Bell?
	It is, yes indeed.
	Yeah, this is Gail in First Time Caller in Grand Junction.
	Colorado, yes Gail.
	And we're talking about all the doom and gloom.
	Yeah, oh yes.
	How about having on the air the guy that had written the Bible decoded?
	Oh, you know what?
	Have you heard the news on that lately?
	They're suddenly debunking it and they're saying that scientific studies are now showing That the Bible code thing is all a bunch of bunk.
	I think it is.
	I'm not saying it's bunk, but I'm saying that scientists are saying it is.
	Hmm.
	Well, that's interesting.
	Because when I read it a couple of years ago, it had in there about some of the incidents with yachts that were being assassinated.
	I know.
	I know.
	He said that there was in there about a war in 2000 and a war in 2004.
	Yep, I know.
	It'd be interesting to have him on, though.
	It's kind of the 100 monkey thing in reverse, actually.
	I don't know... Things like the Bible Code have got to hold up scientifically.
	In other words, they've got to be repetitively proven.
	And I guess the scientists are saying, in the case of the Bible Code, this has not panned out.
	At least there have been a couple of very recent stories about that.
	I've been always very curious about the Bible Code, and would still like to interview Michael Drossen, who wrote that.
	That's one interview.
	There are so many interviews that I have not yet had the opportunity to do.
	The one actor in the whole world that I would like to interview is Anthony Hopkins.
	I would like to know from him where he thinks he has received such a great talent.
	It's unimaginable to me.
	I watch the man work and I am simply astounded at his prowess.
	George C. Scott has passed away.
	We'll know more, no doubt, as the day progresses.
	Now, again, with a little bit of luck.
	Just a little bit of luck.
	Tomorrow night, we'll have Andrew Bernstein on, who is the director of Stigmata.
	And that was not an easy catch.
	And so, a little bit of luck.
	Cross your fingers.
	Knock on wood.
	From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
	See you tomorrow night.

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