Richard Kieninger, author of The Ultimate Frontier (1963), predicts May 5th, 2000’s planetary alignment—Jupiter, Saturn, and others forming a "Sun-side earthquake position"—will trigger global seismic upheaval, citing doubled earthquake rates since the 1950s. His Brotherhood of Saints, spanning 21,000 years, claims to master clairvoyance across seven existence planes, with 100M souls achieving "angelic intelligence." Kieninger counters NASA’s dismissal by linking alignments to radio disruptions (The Jupiter Effect) and cosmic threats like solar flares and galactic dust. While skeptics question his theories, he ties them to Edgar Cayce’s prophecies and contrasts a spiritual "new world order" with financial conspiracies, suggesting Earth’s cyclical renewal through crustal shifts. [Automatically generated summary]
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I want to thank Hilly for filling in and Jim Berkeland for being his guest.
and by the way on the heels of the miss berkland's uh...
insurance on this program with hilly i noticed that there's been an earthquake just about his backyard there it looks as if uh...
there's been There's been a couple of earthquakes, actually.
One, Northern California, in Mr. Berkeley's backyard, 4.2 in magnitude.
And one of all places in Ohio.
An earthquake in Ohio.
Isn't that interesting?
Not a big one.
Centered along the Rogers Creek Fault about five miles northeast of Roanoke Park, a small city 42 miles north of San Francisco with regard to the one in California.
And in Ohio, it was a small one that occurred near Cleveland.
No damage there reported.
Earthquakes in strange places, huh?
I've received some news that I can't confirm just yet.
I'm trying to confirm right now.
However, basically, I'm told by my board operator, Anna Fax, from San Diego, that George C. Scott has passed away.
And I hope that is not true.
I fear it might be.
The facts I've received from San Diego is from the Cogo KSDO newsroom.
Art, you haven't heard the news yet, apparently.
George C. Scott is dead.
His body is at the Los Angeles coroner's office.
No one knows at the moment why he died.
And I just hope that's not true.
I tell you, folks, George C. Scott has been one of my favorite actors of all time.
And I'm looking now in the current news, which may not be caught up, but it doesn't have it in there.
I would think it would certainly be in the current Associated Press news, but just maybe a little behind.
So I hope that's not true.
But I am being told that that is the case, that George C. Scott has passed away.
You know what I wonder?
I wonder what happens, where the next great actors of the caliber of Scott come from.
I don't see them coming along, and maybe that's just a sign of my own age that I don't perceive them coming along.
There's a few.
But not these mature, wonderfully mature.
Well, they haven't had a chance to mature yet, Art.
I know, but Anthony Hopkins, for example, I will watch a movie with Anthony Hopkins.
Incidentally, if you get an opportunity to see a movie called Instinct, you don't want to miss that.
It's just coming out on videotape now, I think.
Oh, God, is that a great movie?
Where are the next generation of actors of this caliber coming from?
As I said, I ignore the movie title.
This is how the movie stars make all the money because of people like me.
I will go to a movie just because Anthony Hopkins is in it.
I already know I'm going to love it.
That's all there is to it.
It may be that he won't do parts that I don't like, but I have so much.
Anthony Hopkins is somebody I would love to interview.
I would give my right arm to interview Anthony Hopkins.
Truly, a talent beyond all reason.
A God-given talent beyond all reason.
Mr. Hopkins is unbelievable.
But George C. Scott has also been one of the high-caliber actors that the world will be at a loss.
What happened to George C. Scott?
All right, coming up in a moment is Colm Kelleher.
And we've had him on before from NIDS.
And boy, do we have news for you.
Stay right where you are.
Well, all right, here we go.
I am so proud to be bringing back to you this hour Colm Kelleher, who is a PhD, a deputy administrator and director of NIDS.
He'll tell you what NIDS is.
He's responsible for running day-to-day operations of NIDS, supervising and managing scientific staff and investigators.
And of course, he reports directly to Robert Bigelow, the Executive Director.
And we had Bob on, Oh, I think, as a matter of fact, since the last time Colm was on the air with us, and Colm has a number of announcements to make, and so I don't want to upstage anything he's going to say.
Everybody needs to understand that your organization investigates unusual phenomena and that sometimes during the course of that investigation, not having the public trampling down the areas that you're investigating requires some degree of secrecy.
That's correct, because obviously if we're trying to move into an elusive phenomenon, the chances are it's not going to hang around very often if we have lots of people having picnics from the back of trucks, etc.
So what we try to do is do the research as quietly as possible, and then when we feel we can stand behind the research, we then publish.
But as I've said, we're moving into a different element now.
And briefly, what we've done is we've substantially upgraded an awful lot of our capabilities.
We've hired a series of investigators.
And the bottom line here is we're announcing a 24-hour a day hotline so that people nationally can call us when there are cases of unusual phenomena.
That includes everything from unidentified flying objects to entities or life forms that are unusual.
Let's say that somebody in, let's just pick a place, Columbus, Ohio.
Right.
Somebody in Columbus, Ohio, no, not somebody.
Let's say that 100 people in Columbus, Ohio have some unusual sighting or something is said to have landed or an entity presentation of some sort, anything very, very unusual.
Not only do you have the phone lines to take the calls, but you could then dispatch legitimate investigators to Columbus.
There'll be a lot of telephoning and investigation from the telephone first, but ultimately if we make the call that it's of interest, and perhaps if there's physical traces associated with any of these flying objects or entities or even unexplained animal deaths or animal mutilations in the ranching community, then we would dispatch people to the site.
We have not only do we have the investigative capability, but we also have PhD-level scientific staff.
So traditionally, many of the UFO reports that have come in tend to stop at the level of reporting.
We're trying to push that beyond the investigative level so that we can actually do lab analyses that are governed by the scientific method so that eventually what we can do is publish a report that cycles right back to the public at no cost to the public.
So we essentially take up all of the charges right through the investigation, right through the scientific analysis, and through the laboratory analysis.
We've currently contracted close to 10 nationally accredited laboratories throughout the country so that we can pick and choose.
If we want to do a chemical analysis, we can get the best of the best.
If we want to do biology, if we want to do veterinary pathology, we can do that.
Financially and from every point of view, to have this facility, this many phone lines, the ability to dispatch PhD-level people, and having labs online, boy, that's an awfully big commitment to call.
Yes, I think it really, hopefully what we can do is bring it from the very first phone call through a series of levels, and each level being questions on the telephone, perhaps dispatch of the investigators, followed by dispatch of the scientific staff, and then the laboratory analysis if there's traces or if there's animals involved, and then finally the report.
And what we aim to do is publish a series of high-quality reports on these cases nationally.
So it really does benefit the public for the scientific investigation of these cases.
If you had the laboratory analysis to indicate that what you said was substantially correct, or if you had some good evidence, we would take a look at it very, very seriously.
Well, that's correct, because we also, part of our menu of tests is we do have good photograph analysis capabilities.
We can call on contract people that can do good digital enhancements.
We have used these people in the past.
So right now in the past three weeks, what we've tried to do is we've assembled small packets of information and we've been doing mass mailings to law enforcement people, to the Federal Aviation Administration airfields.
We've sent these packets to radio stations, to television stations, to Coast Guards, anybody essentially who's been out at night and who may have a story to tell.
Now obviously we're interested in recent cases, but we're also interested in cases that may be old.
In other words, for example, will the people who report this to you or provide evidence to you be privy to the final results of the investigation should one occur?
So we do guarantee confidentiality, but we will also give the people who initially contact us a full report, and given the fact that they give us permission, we will publish that report too for the benefit of the public.
May I ask, maybe you cannot totally answer, but I can try.
What made NIDS decide to jump in this heavily?
I mean, this is really a heavy commitment.
We're talking big bucks here and big facilities and just a giant commitment.
Why?
Why?
In other words, why the sudden shift from the very private, you know, secret is the wrong word, confidential investigations that have been going on to a more public stance like this?
Well, we've come to the situation after three years or three and a half years of working at a low level, under the radar, so to speak.
We've been accumulating a lot of data in the different areas that we're interested in.
And we feel we're now at the stage where we have a certain level of expertise and experience where we could apply that experience to a much broader menu of cases.
And that's exactly what we're intending to do, because part of, obviously, our mission is not only research, but also public education and public information.
So there's a two-edged sword here.
We're doing the research, but we're also interested in interacting with the public.
Calm Kelleher is here from NIDS, and he's announcing a new service for the entire nation.
And this service is nothing less than a 24-hour-a-day hotline.
And that's what it's going to be, with eight lines, PhD-level investigators that can be dispatched to any part of the country or even world for that matter, to investigate anything that might be going on.
and they're picking up the tab for this whole thing.
It's actually what the UFO community, along with many others, have...
Animal mutilations, that kind of thing.
We've simply never had the power, the oomph, the resources to put something like this together.
And now here it is, no cost to you.
This is all privately financed by NIDS and Robert Bigelow.
And the hotline number again, this really is big time when you think about it.
Really big time.
The hotline number is everybody in ufology should rejoice at this.
Everybody should be rejoicing.
And beyond ufology as well.
Into the unexplained paranormal phenomena community.
Everybody should be rejoicing at this to get on the spot, boom-badie-boom, investigation, just like that.
Column Collaher will be right back.
Oh, that's really good.
That fellow has a sense of rhythm in putting together that commercial that I admire.
Well, okay, again, let me stress it again.
This really is something that I think all of ufology has been waiting for.
All of the paranormal community has been waiting for.
And we've never really had it.
We've had sort of weak stabs at it here and there.
We've had hotlines, of course.
But the investigative side of this, we've never had.
We've never had the resources to actually send people out and figure out what the hell is going on out there.
And that is what we've got here.
The hotline number is open as of right now.
It's manned.
Area code 702-798-1700-1700.
What you should do is put this number by your telephone or put it in your phone directory or put it somewhere where you'll have it when you need it.
I mean, what a tool to have to be able to call a number and perhaps initiate or be part of initiating an investigation that will finally answer some of the questions that we've all had for so long.
The more I think about it, the more I realize this is an awfully serious endeavor.
So as director, I would presume that if something big happened in the middle of the night sometime, your phone could ring sort of like finding the SETI signal.
I mean, if there was another Phoenix thing, for example, that came over, you know, the giant thing that came over a Phoenix, your phone might ring, and they would tell you, look, we're getting hundreds of calls down here.
That's why we put the eight lines in, so that we can record, if there is a flap that happens, we can record all of it as it comes in.
And if necessary, make the call right there to whether or not to travel.
Obviously, each case is going to be very, very different.
But the bottom line is I think right now we have the capability of responding in a way that we did not have before.
And I think we're really focusing right now on sending these information packets, which consist of stickers that you can put on your telephone and our computer, brochures telling people about who we are and what we're doing and the UFO hotline.
What do you think the average, let's say, Coast Guard or weather radar station or whoever sheriff's department or the Los Angeles Police Department?
When they get this, what do you think they'll do?
I mean, here you've got a sticker, a 24-hour hotline.
Do you think that they will laugh and toss it in the can or put it on their phone or say, aha, finally, a resource where we can send people that we otherwise don't know what to do with?
Well, that's exactly, I think it's the latter because the feedback we've been getting so far from the law enforcement people is that people calling into police stations regarding unidentified flying objects and all of these phenomena are actually a headache for the dispatchers and for the police.
And they're more than happy to call us when they get calls.
And the feedback we're getting is that we're actually taking somewhat of a burden away.
So it is actually useful from their perspective, too.
And so people out there will know, well, gee, here's a number I can call, and if I've really got something, maybe I'm going to find out what it really is for a change.
Because most times, of course, these things go completely unanswered, completely uninvestigated, and you end up with a very credible person making a report that has not been investigated beyond their word.
Obviously, we're not trying to compete with any other of the organizations that are involved with these investigations, but we're trying to bring it to the stage where there can be scientific analysis where that's appropriate.
And we feel that's a contribution that is needed in this field.
Well, we all know Peter Davenport has a UFO reporting hotline, and there are other hotlines across the country, and there's MOFON, and there's all kinds of organizations, but as far as I know, none with the resources that you're talking about here.
Yeah, we think that the combination of what we have is probably unique in this country.
I think the fact that we have seasoned law enforcement investigators on our staff, as well as PhD-level scientists, plus the computer technology, the digital recording technology.
And fourthly, really, we have a very high-class science advisory board who have a lot of capability of opening doors in terms of technological analysis and advice.
They investigate as best they're able, but usually I think a lot of MUFON investigations are dependent on the local investigators' resources and volunteer work, kind of.
Well, we would try to do a telephone interview as a level one.
We have a series of questionnaires that we have.
Level one questionnaire would be returning an email or a fax or a the fax is actually on our website too, fax number, but level one questionnaire would be doing that.
Level two would be an awful lot more detailed if we felt that warranted, if there was multiple witnesses or if there was something other to follow through on.
Colin, do you remember telling me on the program, which I guess I'm never forget, there are certain things I hear on my own show that I never forget, and the one that you told me that blew my mind was at the ranch where you actually had a sort of an aperture appear,
and then something or somebody came through it, and then it closed.
So I'm really, really interested, Colin, in this sort of thing, and this is the sort of thing, particularly if there's photographic evidence or some other sort of evidence involved, that you would take on, is it?
In other words, when they hear you say what you said about what happened and they suddenly realize that, oh my God, I wasn't having a momentary lapse insanity because somebody else has experienced this, then they open up.
And we did get a lot of feedback on that particular segment of the show.
The creature, the humanoid creature that crawled out of this tunnel of light that was seen with Generation 3 night vision binoculars, other people around the country called in in the ensuing days and weeks to report similar-looking creatures to what I described.
Obviously, they were in different situations in different parts of the country.
And that particular case was interesting because there was two people involved, one of which had the night vision binoculars.
The second person had a 35 millimeter camera with infrared film.
And as he was shooting or taking long exposure pictures of this activity, he was looking and all he could see was a diffuse yellowish light.
Whereas the person that was with the night vision binoculars saw much more clearly what was happening, saw the creature literally crawling through what looked like a tunnel of light that was suspended.
Well, we have a very limited way of thinking, and it's a natural thing for the human being because we cannot perceive, therefore we cannot entertain as being present or real anything beyond our visual abilities or our hearing abilities.
In other words, our senses.
Anything that goes beyond the ability of our senses to perceive for all the world doesn't exist.
And one of the reasons that we try to take dogs with us if we're in a particular hotspot is because dogs are superb biological sensors.
They can pick up changes in the environment that may be the start of a phenomenon way before we humans are aware of anything.
So we've found that in our experience, dogs, regardless of breed, appear to be very, very alert and they can let us know a long time before something is happening.
How much do we know about what a dog can see and hear and sense that we can't?
They've done some really interesting experiments with dogs that they've had on big shows like 2020 where they showed that a dog knows its owner is on the way home.
Even if the owner starts home at an odd, bizarre time of day, the dog gets agitated.
They showed it on TV and knows.
Now, I don't know how it knows, but it knows.
So do we have any idea of what a dog sees, what a dog feels and hears, and knows that we don't?
We know, for example, their hearing is very, very acute, but what you've just been talking about has not been experimentally looked into With any sophistication that I'm aware of.
In other words, the dog lying in wait for the owner and being aware that the owner is arriving is that's something that's beyond acute hearing.
And I've seen those reports several times, but I've certainly never seen anything that looks like good scientific analysis of what's going on.
I mean, 2020 did a pretty significant investigation in terms of having cameras just sitting there and then having the owner starting home at a bizarre time.
And every time, why, the dog would somehow become restless, start going to the door and jumping up on it, and somehow knowing the owner was on the way home.
So that would imply something that we sure don't understand.
Yes, because there is a lot that would be of interest, I feel, especially some of the incidents that have happened in various hotspots that obviously we probably don't have time to go into tonight.
Well, listen, I tell you, I really applaud Bob Bigelow.
This is a very, very serious step.
And I hope that all of Ufology and everybody involved in Investigation of the Paranormal applauds this because it's a big, expensive, private effort and it's free to you and it's not coming out of your tax dollars.
We've got a guest coming up in the next few moments who is Richard Kenninger.
And I hope I'm getting that right.
If I'm not, I'm sure he'll tell me right away, who wrote a book called The Ultimate Frontier that deals with predictions involving storms, earthquakes, many and strange places as we're having this morning, droughts, tsunamis, floods, volcanoes, weather changes, all those goodies.
It's never been out of print, and we it's been a continuous seller.
We stopped advertising a long time ago, mainly because people keep ordering it all the time, or usually order multiple copies to give to friends and things of that sort.
All the visible planets will be in a straight line on the other side of the Sun.
We won't be able to see it.
But there's a couple of the heavier planets will be at right angles, which is many people say who are reasonably expert at this, that that's an earthquake position.
So it's something which is beginning to have its effect already.
I'd say that as the configuration begins to tighten up more and more, we're going to be seeing, say, some mega quakes, quantities that we haven't seen for a long time, bunched together time-wise.
Well, we're seeing mega-tornadoes and mega-hurricanes.
And actually, there was an earthquake yesterday in Northern California and Ohio.
And we're beginning to get some strange earthquakes in strange places.
And of course, we all know about the horribly tragic quake on Taiwan somewhere here.
I've got the latest on that.
But the Taiwanese, a lot of them are beginning to get angry because they're starting to tell hushed stories of people screaming through the night.
We now have 1,712 dead, 4,005 injured, 219 missing, as well as 2,991 trapped inside buildings.
And the population is starting to get angry, and they're actually beginning to complain to the government that they're not doing enough, and they're not doing it fast enough.
China is trying to use it as a way to elbow their way into Taiwan.
They have always wanted Taiwan back, and they say they'll fight to get it back eventually.
And I guess my question to you is, with all the changes, the weather changes that we all know we're going through right now, and the earthquakes and the rest of it, is this sort of like a rattlesnake's warning that we're getting now, or is it an ongoing process that is going to build and then culminate, you think, on May 5th of 2000, or what?
Well, I'm not an actual prediction business myself.
Most of this information, those things that are being passed along by me from people who I call my teachers, I mean, a number of gentlemen who've shown up at different times in my life and kind of passed along this information to me.
I would say that we are beginning to see some hints.
The number of earthquakes worldwide has about doubled every decade since the 50s.
And we haven't seen too much in the way of these very, very large earthquakes.
That, I think, is what we're going to be starting to see more of.
It's just that the Earth itself will stay pretty stable, but the surface of a very thin crust that everybody is riding on.
Yeah, that will slip.
The whole thing is just resting on liquid magma, which is kind of like tar, and it's consistency.
But if it starts to move, it doesn't have too much difficulty.
My studies, from just what geologists talk about, even though they don't publish it in high school books, is that there have been three separate areas that have been the site of heavy polar ice in the past.
I think that the principal ones, and I'm not exactly certain in which order that occurs, but the Caspian Sea is still rebounding from heavy weight of ice on it as the magma gradually fills in underneath of the site where the mile or two mile thick layer of ice has been.
It slowly rebounds to its former altitude again.
The Sudan Basin, which is in Africa, and of course Hudson Bay, which is to the north of us, all have been polar sites within the past 30,000 years, and that's an average of 10,000 years between a shift.
So this apparently is something that's built into our planet, perhaps for renewal.
You know, one of the things that happens is the rain leaches out minerals from the ground, we lose the microminerals that are so essential to proper plant growth and to all the animals, including us who eat those plants.
And a way of renewing it is by submerging the land under the ocean or chilling it with volcanic air.
Now, we were talking last hour with Colin Kelleher about a new UFO reporting service and an investigative service, and they talk about chain of custody.
And when they talk about chain of custody, they mean, for example, if you have a piece of evidence of some kind, they're going to want to know, if possible, where you got it, where it came from.
That may be as important as the object somebody would hold to know where it came from would be as important as chain of custody.
Where has it been, whose hands, you know, that sort of thing.
So with regard to the information that you're giving that is so provocative, I think a chain of evidence would be called for.
say that you have been told about these events by real physical people that you call teachers.
As a matter of fact, it was on my 12th birthday in Chicago.
And the man who approached me was elderly, and I assumed he was my grandfather's friend because he knew my name and it was my birthday.
And he began to tell me quite a number of things, which maybe I believed or didn't believe at the time, because it sounded different than what I had been taught in school.
And over a period of time, quite a series of these gentlemen have shown up.
And I've come to understand that they represent a group of men and women who we would call saints who have organized worldwide into a series of brotherhoods.
There are more and more people now who believe that we go through a creation or evolution cycle and a destructive cycle and that that's a natural thing, that there's constantly destruction followed by creation or life and then plowing it all under and starting again, as you've been discussing this morning, and that is what you're talking about, right?
Right.
And now you're talking about organizations, which you call the brotherhoods, which are in place to keep the chain of custody, as it were, somewhat constant through these earth changes that occur periodically to sort of refresh everything.
Where is the evidence, Richard, for an older civilization?
I mean, what would you cite if I said, okay, fine, but surely not every vestige of this old civilization could be gone.
We should be able to go underground or into the earth and find signs that there was a great technologically, possibly technologically oriented civilization that was before ours.
Some work that has been done, or investigation has been done recently on the artifacts that have been scattered around so profusely in that part of the world.
People never really thought to measure how precise some of those things are.
I mean, they create slabs of stone with such precision that it's hard to believe that anybody could do it with any of the equipment that we have today.
Richard Penninger is here, and I hope I've got that right.
He wrote a book called The Ultimate Frontier, and he's been contacted by an organization called the Brotherhood.
Actually, he's been in contact with them since he was quite young.
The Brotherhood is saying that on May 5th of 2000, a lot of really bad stuff from our point of view is going to happen.
Now remember, this is 1999.
SEPT, right, of 1999.
So May 5th, 2000 is literally just around the corner.
We'll get back to Richard in a moment.
Once again, here is Richard Kininger.
And Richard, back to the Brotherhood.
This is really interesting to me for a lot of reasons.
I have been asked and I have many people out there, in fact, put up websites and they say I'm a member of the Mason and so forth and so on always ask me about that and I hardly ever respond one way or the other.
But they think that there are other secret societies, The Masons, the Illuminati, other secret societies that have little bits and pieces or parts of the information that you think the Brotherhood carries all of.
And they're faithfully maintaining that pieces of information.
But you really have to deal with all of these organizations in order to get an overall picture.
And one of the advantages that I had in growing up was that they explained to me why human beings are here, what is intended for us, where we're supposed to go, how we're supposed to get there.
Well, according to their cosmology, angels are the ones who gather together the necessary dust and what have you that's put out by the solar wind into planets.
And they're the ones who then evolve life step by step from primitive, one-celled plants and animals.
So the head angel who will help develop this planet and this planet only is Jehovah.
There are other stages higher than that.
Those, let's say that the higher beings that create the star in the first place are archangelic, and their ability is to, and the tool that they work with is mind power.
They're the ones who precipitate hydrogen atoms in sufficient quantity to get a star begun.
And after that, the star begins to generate higher elements, you know, with larger nuclei.
Well, there's such consistency in all of the things that tie together that's eventually convinced me.
Now, I have to admit, you know, when I was first taught all this stuff when I was like 12 years old, I really didn't know how to evaluate all of it.
The information that they gave me or the things which I tested, by the time I was about 30 years old, I began to understand that I really had something that was valuable.
I mean, is it just one of those things where you're walking home from school one day and a stranger approaches you or somebody appears in your room or what?
Well, a stranger approached me while I was standing on the sidewalk in front of the apartment where I lived as a child and started telling me some very interesting things.
I mean, I paid attention.
Mostly he was giving me answers to things I hadn't had any questions about yet.
But as I grew older and the questions arose, I realized that I already had the answers.
So people would have a place to practice the philosophy pretty much untrammeled by society at large, and mostly to develop an educational system for children which would, let's say, tweak their brains at the time that the actual neurological development was occurring.
We were talking about very young children, you know, under the age of one through six.
But I mean, a cult usually does gather around a specific charismatic individual with predictions of imminent doom and a specific date or time when they believe it will occur.
And so my question to you is, if May 5th, 2000 comes and goes, and it's just la-di-da, another day, with an interesting planetary alignment and no particular earthquakes or wind or pole shift or anything else at all, what will you then believe?
And that's about the same way that most of the people who have said, well, if this is a life raft, you know, and the civilization is going to sink, maybe I should invest some interest in this sort of thing.
But I would say that maybe we just have a lot of fun together and enjoy one another.
We have certainly a lot of things that we can talk about and understand rather than people looking at us askance within the group.
Normally speaking, people who are members of the Brotherhood don't talk about that.
our main thing is our focus, I guess, is the message of Christ.
And not necessarily as the churches have it.
I wrote a book called The Hidden Christ about ten years ago, which essentially gets into all the research that the Catholic and Southern Baptist in particular spent a lot of time investigating ancient history and whatever documents that they could find.
They did it in as historically scientific way as possible.
And virtually none of the information that they've gathered together ever is heard from the pulpits, mainly because what they've discovered doesn't fit in with the theology.
So I put that together in a book and it talked a great deal about the things that Jesus did in order to learn all the things he learned how to do, which involved travels pretty much in the Middle East, in the Far East, in my idea.
What the Brotherhoods talk about very frequently is that it was a man who prepared his life and his body to a certain point of perfection so that an archangel could use it for three years.
One of the big problems that happened and happens with most beliefs that are developed by, say, very intelligent founders, if you would, it's become institutionalized, and then in order to preserve it, they have to say, well, this is the truth, and any variation from that is from the devil.
So you better believe it, or you're going to go to hell.
And just about every pulpit I've ever heard from them has said essentially the same thing.
And in order to protect their positions, they have to change things around a little bit in the history or change the interpretations just slightly in order to fit the preservation of the people who are in power, as it were.
And I'll tell you, between now and about May of 2000, which is next year, of course, you comprehend that a thousand-year change coming up on us that quickly.
All these predictions of dire things to come.
But then again, that comes every hundred years, and certainly every thousand years.
You'll get a lot of dire predictions of things to come.
I wonder if they really wouldn't.
I like that commercial.
That guy has a sense of rhythm.
It's just boom, boom, boom, boom right there.
Well, here again is my guest, Richard Kinninger, who has written a book, actually a couple, a book a long time ago called The Ultimate Frontier, which predicts tsunamis, earthquakes, droughts, volcanoes, weather changes, even economic and political upheavals.
And really, we've got all of those going on right now at increased rates.
There is no question about that.
It deals with the possibility of a polar shift and a worldwide three-day period of earthquakes and upheavals said to occur May 5th, 2000.
This information imparted by an organization called the Brotherhood.
And Richard, how do you feel about telling people publicly, even millions of them right now, that all of this is known by this Brotherhood group and they don't know it?
In other words, why is it that all of this information hasn't been given out publicly?
Everybody can just all of a sudden believe the whole thing.
I mean, it's a complex philosophy.
And maybe just started the beginnings of this.
It'll help people to understand just whether they buy the book or not.
One of the things that my teachers have taught, and they've been pretty consistent of it, is that the universe, basically what describes the universe is the presence of a, for lack of definition that anybody would really know or just by a name, it's kind of the basis for all energy and matter.
And it pervades space.
No matter if it describes space, outside of it, there's nothing.
But it's not particulate.
I mean, like, there's no atoms necessarily that make it up.
It's quiescent.
It doesn't do anything.
It's essentially imperceptible except that it causes physical light to chatter between a particle form and a wave form as it propagates through this energy, the basis for this energy.
It doesn't have a name that no science has agreed to or not, but I think some people are probably beginning to kind of penetrate it.
All matter and energy quanta consist of swirls or eddies in this universal sea.
And that's all they are.
What we call atoms and particles of energy are just swirls.
You know, somebody else came on as a guest and presented this same view not long ago, and their name escapes me for some reason, but it was a scientist of some kind.
It says, all of these particles have a nutational motion.
Visualize, if you would, the way the axis of a spinning top slowly precesses in a direction opposite the direction of spin.
That's one of the definitions of nutation.
And there are seven, and only seven, nutational rates which determines the plane of existence on which it exists.
So an incarnate human being consists of four interpenetrating bodies.
Atoms are so far apart, and if you had the nucleus of an atom blown up to the size of the sun, the electron would be ten times further out than where Pluto is.
So we obviously all have a physical body.
We know you and I who were talking here.
And we also have a vital body on the second plane, which is a much denser pattern that binds together one's physical form.
And then there's an astral body, which is essentially an outer shell, and a mental body, which is Defined by our spiritual advancement.
But all of these bodies consist of atoms on their respective planes of existence, as determined by the nutational rate.
So when you say, you know, you talk about spirits and so forth, it consists of atoms, different kinds of atoms with different chemistry and physics.
And those seven planes have names in English.
And I'm going to say what they are here because it'll help if I can explain some of these things a little bit clearer.
Okay, beginning with the slowest rate is the physical.
Etheric, then astral, then mental, then angelic, archangelic, and then finally celestial.
That's in English.
What the names are in other countries, I don't know what those are.
But every living physical thing has an etheric pattern called a vital body.
A tree or a dog or even a bacterium has such a pattern.
There are about 2,000 etheric atoms to every physical atom that is entrained by that pattern.
The etheric plane also is a source of gravity, which makes it difficult for people to understand.
Okay, and the Brotherhood is really saying that whatever happens to us, our consciousness continues.
We sometimes use a physical body, sometimes we use an astral body.
But the consciousness remains.
And all those things that we learn in the course of, let's say, our incarnations into physical bodies is what is retained and what we have as knowledge.
Very frequently, if you have a concern or a problem that you're trying to solve, something that needs to be changed in your life or a business concern, very frequently an idea springs to mind almost unbidden, which solves that problem.
In many cases, you're consulting during the dream state, when you're asleep, information that you know from prior experience.
The table in front of me, Richard, who I've got on the phone, the radio program, the house around me, where I live here in the desert, all the things that make up my consciousness presently.
On each of these seven planes of existence, there's also an electromagnetic spectrum, which is analogous to the physical plane's electromagnetic spectrum.
But the behavior of those energies are different from those on the physical.
And those energies consist of particles with nutational rates the same as the atoms of that same plane of existence.
So the particles, actually particles that travel in straight lines are energy.
Particles that travel around one another are matter, but essentially put together the same way.
Let's say an example of how different such energies on other planes behave, like mind energy, which is part of the fourth plane of existence or the mental plane.
That does not conform to the inverse square law, which diminishes as you pass further and further away, nor is it limited to the speed of light.
Every person, every sentient being on all the higher planes, have their thoughts instantly reach every part of the universe simultaneously without becoming weaker with distance.
It would be pretty tough to pray to God if God happens to be a few hundred thousand light years away and you had to wait for the speed of light to get your request over there.
Now, higher beings create by the power of their thought.
As I said earlier, archangels create matter, primarily mentally precipitating hydrogen atoms in order to form stars.
And angels gather planets from solar dust by dint of their mental power, and they evolve plants and animals step by step from primitive life forms to more complex ones by mentally creating a progression of vital bodies from the successful predecessors.
And beings on the celestial plane, their job is to organize galaxies and create human souls in their image.
Now, when angels developed a human life form on the planet that they put together in the first place, then human souls are assigned to that planet to be installed in the human animals in order to gain knowledge and work towards angelic advancement themselves.
But, you know, every human spirit has the built-in potential to achieve angelic intelligence eventually so he or she can, in their turn, form a planet and evolve life upon it.
That's the intended destiny for all of us.
The Brotherhood of Saints consists of men and women who have learned both clairvoyance and mystic awareness.
And if they have a history of good works and are willing to work with other saints, they are invited to be part of the Brotherhood.
And as such, are called initiates.
You have initiates in all different kinds of secret societies.
The first seven are accomplished during a long series of incarnations until a person learns the principles behind everything on the physical plane.
And then he or she is known as an adept.
And the next five degrees are accomplished primarily in the spiritual realms until knowledge of everything on the first four planes of existence is mastered.
And attaining twelfth degree entitles a spirit to the rank of mastership.
And somewhat more than a hundred million of the thirteen billion souls assigned to this planet have become masters.
I mean, there's a lot of things which you have mentally brought into a picture, and everything has to be visualized by somebody before it can be brought into physical existence.
Places, for example, where, for lack of a better word, where there is not time and there is not space nor the speed of light as we understand things here to be.
Once it was sort of, I don't know, esoteric and a long way away.
But this is September of 1999.
May 5th, 2000.
beginning to get kind of All right, back to our guests now.
We're talking about the Brotherhood, or actually Brotherhoods, because it is plural.
There apparently are many of these, or some of these, around the world, with information about what's going to happen to Earth, what we're going to go through, and what we're all about.
And that's what we have been discussing with Richard Kininger, who is my guest.
And somebody writes, we're going to take a few calls here in a moment, through the top of the hour, but somebody writes and asks the following of Richard.
I guess it's not a question, but they want to comment on this.
The scientific theory of crustal displacement was first put forth by Charles Hapgood.
While still not embraced by mainstream science, Albert Einstein was much impressed by the theory.
Here is an exact quote.
He wrote in a letter to Hapgood.
Einstein, quote, I find your arguments very impressive and have the impression that your hypothesis is correct.
One can hardly doubt that significant shifts of the crust of the earth have taken place repeatedly and within a short time.
End quote, Albert Einstein, May 8, 1953.
And they'd like you to comment on that, if you would, Richard.
And he wrote a lot of things about, there's quite a bit about the Great Pyramid at Giza in the ultimate frontier, and that spurred him along to further information that he managed to gather.
So, yeah, I've certainly been exposed to Einstein's letter.
And yes, certain kinds of scientific minds will give credence to certain things if there's enough points that just make sense.
And of course, that depends upon evidence that has been gathered, too.
And I'm sure you can anticipate what they are going to say, but what in fact they say is the following.
On May 5th, 2000, the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn will be more or less positioned in a line with the Sun.
Additionally, the Moon will be almost lined up between the Earth and the Sun.
Although this has led to many dire predictions of global catastrophes like melting ice caps, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, and so forth, there is absolutely no scientific basis for these claims.
The distance to the planets is too great for their gravity, magnetic fields, radiation, and so forth to have any discernible effect on Earth.
In fact, we won't even be able to see this alignment, as all the planets will be on the opposite side of the Sun from the Earth.
But their case here was that the gravity or the effect from one planetary body to the next is so infinitesimal that even with this alignment occurring, there's no scientific basis for predicting anything dire.
Okay, and third, there's cosmic dust now entering the Earth's atmosphere from the direction of the galactic core.
It must be 2 o'clock in the morning here.
And this indicates that there are super waves carrying massive amounts of gamma rays and cosmic dust and high-energy electrons generated by the galactic core explosions.
And they are approaching and beginning to bombard our solar system now.
And also the Sun and the Earth are aligned on the ecliptic with the galactic core in 1999 and 2000, which greatly intensifies the geomagnetic forces that the Earth is subjected to.
And any one of those four factors, not to mention combined force, could severely disrupt the geologic or geomagnetic equilibrium of our planet.
And it's very possible to trigger major earthquakes and further volcanic eruptions worldwide.
And I didn't know that Franklin D. Roosevelt was who put that on there, and he himself was a 33rd degree mason.
I mean, these brotherhoods that we're talking about and discussing, it just kind of freaks me out that something that long ago could have been put on our actual currency, you know, proclaiming a new world order back in the 40s.
I mean, and the all-seeing eye of Baal, doesn't that stand for Bealzebub?
I mean, I don't know, these brotherhoods, they've been around forever.
And it's obvious that there's a certain power, a methodic power that's controlling these brotherhoods because to be able to pass it down from generation to generation to generation, this goal or this plan, so to say.
And it's Jay Lodges rather than the Brotherhood of Saints.
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Yeah, I'm not, and I don't know anything at all, sir, about the Brotherhood of Saints.
All I know is I believe in Christ with all my heart, and I believe this world's messed up in all kinds of ways, and I'm just trying to find positive things to focus on, you know?
And it's just, it seems like every day it's one more negative thing.
And when I look at, you know, the dollar bill behind this country, and I've had family that's died for this country and everything else, and I see this pyramid, which is basically, you know, it's like pyramid marketing.
The reason that the capstone separated from the rest of the pyramid is because he hasn't joined it yet.
Yeah, and he represents the international bankers, I think, when he talks about his new world order.
And I think that you need to be very careful as to which new world order you're talking about.
I think that the ones who came up with this later have used that term to kind of poo-poo the efforts of the higher beings to create a true civilization again like we had in Lemuria.
Well, Richard, I would say this, and I have said this to my audience about the new world order.
If there are people, powerful, rich people behind the scenes pulling strings and having things happen the way they want them to happen toward an ultimate goal of a single control or one world order, whatever you want to call it, so far they're really doing a lousy job because things are totally screwed up.
I see no order at all.
I see chaos.
I see war.
I see dissension.
I see man fighting man and killing man in the name of various gods.
And, you know, they did not indicate that it was the end of the Mayan calendar just last week.
So I thought that was an interesting point.
I also wanted to mention that the interesting thing about Chitsunitsa was they did confirm that there are crystals within the pyramid there.
And I think it's more than coincidence that there are very huge crystals in each pyramid.
And I would guess that there would be crystals in the pyramid in Mars.
And I wonder about your comment about this, Richard, in regard to is it possible that these crystals could all be aligned and so they're all coordinates and that perhaps that could be responsible for the fact that we are in a certain time dimension in that alignment could be that could be the key to the alignment that keeps us in this dimension.
This universe is so incredibly fascinating that so many things are possible that I haven't even begun to imagine and know absolutely nothing about that I would not poo-poo hardly anything anymore.
He himself said that he was in contact with perhaps physicians who had lived at various times.
He did say that, yes.
But he was also, he could not distinguish between good entities and negative entities giving information.
But all of the stuff that came through in the curative angles certainly is very compelling to say that those spirits he was in contact with really knew what was going on.
So far as no history and future and things of that sort, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, I'm not really positively impressed by some of the things that came through him that he was unable to screen because he was unconscious.
You're on the air with Richard Kinninger and Art Bell.
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Good morning.
Good evening, Arch.
Hi.
That date, May 5th, the date that is in Edgar Casey's book.
I don't remember the exact title.
I've read about six of his books since the fourth grade.
I'm 36 years old, calling from near Los Alamos.
A couple of things that were very interesting in your guest's comments are the other dimension, and we know of another dimension on the other side of the speed of light, where time and space does not exist.
Things do disappear.
But Edgar Casey was quite right in predicting earthquakes, volcanic activity, and a stepped-up rate of all of these travesties that have been happening to our Earth lately.
There's just so much that he wrote and the ARE puts out.
It'd be hard for me to keep up with it and earn a living at the same time.
But I'm not trying to poo-poo him in any way.
Just that, as I said, he was unable to distinguish which kind of spirits were dealing through him and what their motivations were, things of that sort.
I'm just passing along what I've been told and it seems to work for me.
The book, The Element Frontier, and as well The Hidden Christ, have far more cogently developed arguments in these directions than I can just give off the top of my head in a discussion of this sort.
All right, so if somebody really wants to find out more about what we've been discussing tonight, The Ultimate Frontier or The Hidden Christ would be books you'd recommend, your books, available.
I think, if you read Between the Lines, obviously a member of the Brotherhood.
That's just an opinion.
Mine.
I'm Art Bell, and we'll be back with Open Lines next.
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The night's program originally aired September 22nd, 1999.
Mr. Bell, up until last Friday, I had discounted the problems that might come awry with the coming of Y2K to the point of laughing at such alarmists.
I'm going to take the coming of Y2K more seriously and prepare for the worst now.
I'm from Somerset, New Jersey.
Somerset County, New Jersey, actually.
And you might have seen it on the television or in the newspapers, but we had a major flooding problem from Hurricane Floyd.
Luckily, I live in a town that was unaffected by flood waters, but not immune from the repercussions.
For the last four days, over a million people have had little or no water as the water treatment plant flooded and is inoperable until the cleanup is finished, which they say will take up to several more days to complete.
Even if you have water coming out of the tap, you can't drink it without boiling it for three minutes for fear of microorganisms in the untreated water.
You can't wash laundry, wash dishes, or even yourself until those restrictions are lifted.
You cannot find bottled water within a 40-mile radius, and even food was scarce on the store shelves.
Some towns have to resort to National Guard water trucks parked at local schools or libraries in ration water to the tune of 20 gallons a family.
Over the weekend, we only had money that was on hand because we had little or no access to our money in the bank, since the switching station for AT ⁇ T in Roselle Park was damaged in the flood and machines couldn't call out to complete the transaction.
Matter of fact, we felt that all the way out here in Nevada.
He says, from what I've read, people across the nation, and I'm confirming that now, had trouble with ATM machines that were not hardwired into a phone system just from one station being down.
Also, due to damage at that switching station, we could not use our cell phones or the phones in our homes to call or receive, to check on what was going on or how anybody was doing.
The only thing that many people in New Jersey are wondering about is the emergency broadcast system, or should I say, the non-activation of it.
People were awakened in the middle of the night from the sound of helicopters and police banging on their doors.
There's an investigation going on now as to why the EBS system was not activated or did not work.
With all of that said and done, it is not the problems that we faced that has me scared about Y2K.
I can live with no phones, no money, little food, little water, without any problem.
But people's actions scare me.
Over the last four days, I have seen the best and worst in people.
I've seen people risk life and limb to save one another.
Scores of people volunteer To help in any way they can, donations of food, money, lodging, that sort of thing.
But what scares me about Y2K is the bad in people.
See, I've seen and heard of widespread looting, of flooded homes and businesses, antique dealers driving around, picking up stuff that people had put out on the curb, even people being bold enough to go on porches and or lawns to take stuff that was out there drying out.
Also, people were charging $200 to $300 to pump out a basement.
The fire departments were doing it for free.
So you see, Art, I'm going to take Y2K seriously now.
Well, look, you'll get one call, so if you're able to, when they get you, make your one call to me, and we'll put you on the air, and we'll talk to you about what happened.
See, you know, when people do that, they hurt Howard.
Because Howard should be represented by a more intellectual group of people than only to say bubba booey.
I mean, it's okay to say bub-ba-booee, but then you should go on and try and be at least semi-witty so that you're representing your God as you wish him represented.
But just to utter that and to hang up is doing your master a disservice.
In fact, really, it's an insult to him.
Because when you listen to him, at times, at least, he's very witty.
At times, he's very acidic.
But to represent him in that manner, I think, is a disservice to him, if you love him, as I know you claim you do.
It was kind of serendipitous that the caller called in earlier about the Nagamati texts because I had just opened that book not more than a half hour earlier and was sitting at my table reading it.
Without giving it away too much, you know, or important parts, can you tell us generously?
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Generated film, I hate when people give too much away, so I will be generous about that.
A woman is manifesting the stigmata, and a member of the Catholic Church, basically an Inquisition type of segment in the Catholic Church who's sent to cover up things if they are too controversial, is sent to investigate.
And despite his higher-ups telling him not to pursue this any further, he continues to pursue the case.
As you know, I perhaps conducted the most comprehensive interviews ever done on radio with Father Malachi Martin, Malachi, I guess I should say, who also has passed away.
And he was very much aware of these sorts of things, stigmata.
The phenomena of stigmata.
So I'm really looking forward to that.
And I have every expectation that we will have the director of that movie on tomorrow night to talk about the phenomena.
And the movie.
Do I believe in that?
Yes, I do.
Do I believe that the manifestation could occur if a person believed it strongly enough?
In other words, that it could be a product of their own faith and belief.
Yes, I think that's possible.
But it is, at any rate, a very interesting topic.
So tomorrow night with Locke, the director of the movie Stigmata.
The reason I'm calling is because we were talking yesterday about the power of the Art Bell Forum and the fact that Hilly Rose and all the other different, Whitley and everybody's getting involved.
And we were thinking since, and there were a few of us, and today my cousin and I were talking that, you know how Joe Firmage and Bob Bigelow and everybody, there's a lot of money behind these people.
And you know how we're always griping about how the network news isn't telling any news that it's like, I don't even watch the television news anymore.
And, you know, whether you believe it or not, I've had, I don't know how many legitimate wire reports of a new fungus on the African continent that has re-emerged.
They're saying anyway, the scientists are saying it has re-emerged, that at one time killed two-thirds of all the crops in Africa.
Even if there is a source of energy yet untapped, zero point, whatever you want to call it, there would have to be a mechanism to convert it and distribute it and all the rest of that.
And they would always manage to charge for that.
So I don't think there ever, ever is going to be free energy as such.
And I just wanted to let you know that the books that the guy was talking about on an earlier call is called the Nag Hammadi Library or the Apocrypha.
And the difference between those books and the books in the regular Bible is they were decided that they were of questionable authorship.
And they have things in them like that Jesus wasn't born in a manger, that he was born in a cave, that the cave was lit up without any torches or anything after Jesus was born.
It also has a book, the Book of Thomas, where it refers to the fact that Thomas, which was one of the disciples, was Jesus' twin brother.
So there are a lot of different things in there that's different than what's taught in the regular Bible.
And I just wanted to also mention the fact that there is another book, I don't know if you're aware of it, that's about 552000.
Yes.
And it's called 552000.
And you might want to have that author on the air.
And I wanted to ask you if, I know you had Sylvia Brown and also, I can't remember his name, but the remote viewer, have they ever said anything about 552000?
Well, darling, during, after the show, you think, but right now we have to talk, and I'll talk if you can't, but it's probably not about whether or not Jesus rides a Harley.
But I was specifically wondering, you often have, on Hilly Rose as well, they talk about the ancient astronauts and so forth and how this seems to correspond with, well, like the Book of Enoch, when they specifically talk about what happened before the flood, when you have the sons of man mixing with, well, excuse me, the daughters of men mixing with the sons of God.