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Sept. 15, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Long Call with JC

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
		Great it is indeed from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Islands out west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, Pali Ho and St. Thomas South, into South America, naturally, maybe all the way to the South Pole, for all I know, north, certainly to the North Pole and worldwide on the internet.
		Thank you very much.
		Broadcast.com, the greatest distributor of digital audio.
		And of course, Intel Corporation for creating the codec that allows the G2 program.
		And won't let me pick my nose for five hours at a time.
		Meaning, if you go up to my website and you download the G2 program, it's free, by the way.
unidentified		Free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you go back up to my website and you click on streaming video.
		There I will be doing the show.
		For all five hours, you can sit there and watch me talk.
		And occasionally we come up with something innovative to put on.
		One of these nights, one of these nights, I'm going to, when we've got a meteor storm going on, I'm going to take the streaming video and put it on my, I've got a, And I'm going to light that one up on streaming video.
		But I want a night when we've got a little action out there.
		Speaking of action, we have had a stream of great, big, military, mugungous, gigantic black helicopters coming over.
		Something's going on over at Area 51.
		I don't know what.
		But something's happening over there.
		I mean, the traffic has been really incredible.
unidentified		You hear this big wop, wop, wop, wop, wop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And these big double Vertol or Piaseki military helicopters.
		And then, of course, the singles come screaming right overhead over the valley here.
		There's something interesting going on over the hill.
		I wonder what they're doing.
		Let me see.
		World news.
		Republican HMO bill is passed by the Senate.
		Patience protections.
		President says he'll veto the thing.
		And speaking of the president, he just got a pay raise.
		The House voted overwhelmingly today, this is something they can all get together on, to give members of Congress a $4,600 pay raise in January and double the president's salary to $400,000.
		$400,000.
		If they keep that up, that job will be eventually worth having.
		$400,000.
		And of course, they, as I said, voted to raise their own pay.
		Last time this happened, everybody got really angry.
		But it doesn't seem like there's this upwelling of anger about the president's lawmakers' hike in salary because, you know, everybody's pretty much doing all right financially.
		And so I guess they don't care.
		China declared Thursday that it has now invented its own neutron bomb.
		Great.
		Making an unprecedented disclosure about its nuclear arsenal amid U.S. accusations of atomic spying.
		Yeah, I noted last night when somebody said they had the neutron bomb that I would look into the story and sure enough they do.
		And I said probably they got the neutron bomb manual in full tact over there.
		China is known to have exploded a neutron bomb back in 1988, but in keeping with its normal secretive military traditions, apparently never announced its achievement.
		Now, if they had that in 1988, then they just might have what's now been called the mini neutron bomb.
		Nuclear weapons scientist Sam Cohen says it is very foolish to assume that any new nation that acquires nuclear capability would be constant with, content rather, with developing warheads closely resembling the bomb dropped on Nagasaki, namely a massive warhead weighing thousands of pounds.
		Nevertheless, the U.S. government remains perversely committed to this fatal assumption.
		Cohen contends that enormous technological progress has occurred in the last 50 years since the atom bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, and that most of the information needed for making smaller, more powerful bombs is unclassified, easily accessible.
		Hell, you can probably go up onto the internet and go to one of the search engines and put in atomic bomb, and I imagine the instructions will come back to you.
		But I mean, they're talking about miniature, miniature neutron bombs.
		Now, neutron bomb is something that would go off as I understand it.
		And it would kill people real quick.
		But it would leave buildings and assets in place.
		Now, that really is a dangerous bomb.
		I mean, you know, the thing about nuclear warfare has always been obviously that it would lead to a planet-wide genocide.
		You know, we'd get mad.
		Mutual assured destruction, it was called.
		And now we're getting down to suitcase-sized neutron bombs.
		Imagine.
		Not a whisper.
		Not a bang.
		Just a city of people gone.
unidentified		Dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buildings, plates untouched, food untouched.
		everybody simply drops dead.
		A New Zealand listener writes that he's convinced there is some sort of conspiracy underway because every time he says, it never fails, he says, that you and your guests are getting to a very important part of the conversation.
		We all anxiously await the message, and our transmission is jammed for several minutes and then returns to normal right after the question is answered.
		He also notes from New Zealand, this is Nancy.
		I'm sorry, Nancy.
		She notes, you might have heard about the meteorite that came down and exploded over New Zealand about a week ago.
		Well, there was a high-quality home video of it that was shown on TV2 a couple of nights ago.
		The video showed the object clearly coming into view, then exploding with a very loud concussion and leaving a large smoke cloud.
		Now, why haven't we seen that video?
		She didn't think it was a meteorite.
		They found nothing.
		No pieces, no parts, nothing.
		And here's a very interesting fact.
		Art, I don't know if you've covered this or not, but did you hear that almost the entire crop of chili peppers in New Mexico has failed?
		It was due, they say, to curly leaf virus, as well as excess heat and wind.
		Green chili peppers are one of the most important agricultural crops of New Mexico.
		And frankly, this sounds a little like something Gordon Michael Scallion or Major Dames talked about.
		And I've got to agree, all the peppers, the chili peppers, that's really weird.
		Oh, by the way, flashing across the net, I'm getting a lot of messages about Robert Wraith like this one.
		Now, I'm going to read it, and I have no idea whether it's true or not.
		You remember Robert Wraith, right?
		Dr. Reed?
		Do you remember Dr. Reed and the alien and the dog?
		Well, I must have 20 messages saying that Dr. Reed was shot and is recovering.
		It was unsure at first.
		And apparently he was shot.
		These people are telling me in the late spring now, if Robert Wraith and Dr. Reed would like to get hold of me, I don't have your number.
		You have mine.
		And or provide me with a phone number.
		I would be glad to get hold of you and see if we can schedule you again if you have been shot.
		This certainly deserves a follow-up story.
		That was the alien in the freezer.
		Hello, Doctor.
		Right?
		Hope it's not true, but after about 20 messages, why?
		I guess I've got to ask.
unidentified		Well, this is interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Y2K?
		Now, as you know, Y2K really hadn't been in the news.
		Why is that?
		Well, Art, because somebody doesn't want it there.
		But it did break into the news today, and it looks like many U.S. cities, they now say, including Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington, are leaving themselves scant time indeed to complete preps for what might occur in the year 2000.
		Now, it's so serious that they're talking about, they say that these cities are not going to make it, and that what they should be working on now are contingency plans.
		Got kind of an ominous sound to it, doesn't it?
		Contingency plans.
		In other words, what do we do when all hell breaks loose, right?
		So that's been in the news in the last couple of days.
		Gary North will be on again shortly.
		Gary and I communicated about a week, oh, a couple of weeks ago now.
		And he said about the middle of the month, and of course, it certainly is the middle of the month right now.
		So, Gary, fire me some email and let's get it on.
		I'd really like to know what you think at this point.
		There seems to be a lot of worry out there.
		They just occasionally report on it as if to remind you or something.
		Well, all right.
		In a moment, in a moment, we are going to do open lines for the balance of this hour, and then at the top of the hour.
		So, that's mostly what I think it has to do with.
		Who knows?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Mike from Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		And I have a question about one of your sponsors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Do you still have Arthritis Assist as one of your sponsors?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have the company that sold Arthritis Assist, which is the same company that sells the prostate product and Kytoslim and HGH.
unidentified		Oh, it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same company, yes.
		So if you take one of those numbers and you want to get arthritis assist, I believe you can do that.
		Okay, great.
		Even though it's not actively being advertised.
		Okay.
		All right.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, is this art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Art.
unidentified		Actually, I had a couple beefs with your guest tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not here, but I'll try and be my guest and see if I can talk about it here.
unidentified		Found his conversation quite intriguing, except where he started going off onto the biblical topics there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when you think about it, the Bible really does instruct through and through the dominance Of man and the subservience of women, doesn't it?
unidentified		Yes, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but what?
unidentified		He had a couple quotes on there.
unidentified		First one that caught my attention was about the Ten Commandments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Took that out of context.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did?
unidentified		He called it one of the commandments.
		He said not to make any art.
		Well, that's not true.
		It was graven images.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		For the purpose of worship.
		Images.
unidentified		Well, the main purpose was he didn't want anybody to make any graven images for the purpose of worshiping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I understand.
unidentified		Other than him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's also a text in the Bible, I believe it's Proverbs 31, 3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'd rather you not quote directly.
unidentified		Okay, but just in case any listeners wanted to look it up for themselves, they certainly did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says sounds like the crypt is opening and closing behind you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
unidentified		Oh, that's just my door.
		I'm trying to.
		I got the radio on in the next room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		But it says, Give not thy strength unto women.
		Right, right.
		And, you know, his topic where...
		Well, you know, his idea that society is moving more towards the feminine side is I really don't see that happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure do.
unidentified		I see society moving to the passive side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is the feminine side, sir.
		No, I'm sorry.
		I do see it.
		I see it clearly.
		Society is in the process of moving to the feminine.
		It's not necessarily a bad thing.
		He doesn't view it as a bad thing, and I don't either.
		I think he's absolutely right about that.
		Now, with regard to the Ten Commandments, that's a whole different subject.
		I frequently wondered if they were actually written out in order of importance as we would write lists.
		But what makes us think that God or a creator would issue a list in an order of importance, the same way we lay down a list when we do it, right?
		I've always wondered about that.
		Was for the Rockies?
		You're on the edge.
unidentified		Is this our bail?
unidentified		Hadn't I gotten through it last?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have.
unidentified		I'm going to set you straight to that.
unidentified		I'm going to tell you that the downfall of our nation began when women were allowed to be given the right to vote, and that women are weak, and that they are made inferior to the man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, wait a minute.
		Wait a minute with the Lord, what the Lord said.
		You don't think women ought to have a right to vote.
unidentified		They should have no rights to vote because I'll tell you what, it was the woman that led us to the tree and said, here's the apple of my master, Satan.
		Satan is the master of the woman because the woman was made weak and the woman was made by God weaker than the man.
		And the woman's will is weak and the woman should get behind the man and do as the man says.
		This is all because women have been given the voice and authority of the man.
		It's causing confusion in our society.
		It's the downfall of everything we've held sacred for so many centuries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really believe that?
unidentified		I believe this in the fullness of my heart.
		And it's like every time I try to call you, that woman gets on the line and says, you're not taking calls from me tonight.
		Says your party's not answering.
		And I know that you're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am here.
		That's true.
		Of course I'm here.
unidentified		You're putting her against me to keep me from getting on the air, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		And I know that the woman who was cursed by God to be in the middle of the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen to me.
		Number one, you're supposed to turn off your radio.
		Number two.
unidentified		Well, let me go through that right now, then.
unidentified		I'm not going to allow you to have any excuse to get rid of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go turn your radio off, dammit.
unidentified		I'll wait.
		What?
		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Now, it's not the woman that's doing it.
		It's me.
unidentified		I'm doing it.
		And you are the devil.
		Silence, devil.
		Let me miss my voice.
		You have kept me off the air.
		You want to allow me to make my calls.
		You want to allow my righteous viewpoints to come forth.
		And the new commandments have stated that woman must get back to her place.
		She belongs in the kitchen.
		She doesn't belong to you.
		Pregnant.
		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pregnant.
unidentified		The woman should keep quiet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And barefoot, right?
unidentified		Listen, the woman is evil.
		Eve was weak.
		It's all her fault that God has mad at us.
		And she needs to follow the divine plan, which is to stay behind the man and walk behind him and keep her head down and her mouth shut, and things will go much better.
		Mr. Barrett.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good Lord, man.
unidentified		And your programs are out.
		You are out of control with all this nonsense about UFOs and the fact that he is trying to open the Bible and tell us what the Bible should be.
		The Bible states explicitly that women must do as the man says.
		Obey thy man.
		That is one of the new commandments of the new revelation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the wheel within the wheel in the Bible?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the signs within the world?
unidentified		The wheel within the wheel is the devil's.
		That's the devil's deduction within the truth that the devil puts out.
		The devil will try to take truth with the wheel within the wheel, which is satanic and misinformation.
		The wheel is satanic?
		Yes.
		The wheel is satanic because it is a circle of nothingness leading to nothing, and that is the devil leading to nothing.
		So we must reject the circular.
		We must stay with our linear and masculine dominance of culture and return to the way it was when women knew their place and everyone knew their place.
		This is what's wrong with America when people are going crazy because no one knows what their proper place is anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of a country do you think we'd have if all the women were back home again?
unidentified		I think, well, kitchens would be a lot cleaner, I'll tell you that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't thought about that.
		You don't really think that I'm the devil's Tojam, do you?
		Not really.
unidentified		You are the devil's mouthpiece, and I've said it once, and I'll say it again for everyone to hear, that you are working for Satan.
		You are doing his bidding.
		And you are working overtime to bring down America.
		I know, because you've been converting with the Soviet Union to take away our freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Soviet Union is no more.
unidentified		There is no more Soviet Union.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is no more Soviet Union.
unidentified		You should be more like Reed Irvine and Cliff King's native Media Monitor.
		Now, they should have a show.
		I don't know why your show was so many hours a night and they only get two minutes when they come on during a break, but you need to be more like them.
		The Russians are out there invading Kosovo, trying to blind our pilots with laser beams and using radio frequencies that you gave them against us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I gave them?
unidentified		Sensitive radio production secrets that you're continuing to slip to the Soviet Union on how to mind control Americans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that it must be a good year since you were on the air?
unidentified		That's because you will keep me from the airwaves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did not.
unidentified		You are conspiring to keep me off the air, but the Lord broke through tonight and said, Jay C. must get on to right this wrong which has been perpetrated against you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jay C, to show you how full of it you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to keep you on through the break, all right?
unidentified		Through what break?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through the break that's coming up right now.
unidentified		All right, you can keep me on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
unidentified		See?
		Don't you want to thank me for that?
		I don't thank the devil for anything.
		Proorded for a teacher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Jay C, you hold it right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Waking every man in a nightmare gate.
		And I never loved the mirror to sleep.
		We're about to wait, wait, might have been We'll keep on going Oh, it's this Seven days a week.
		on Hot Talk 105.1.
		Hot Talk 105.1.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The devil went down to Georgia.
		He was looking for a soul to steal.
		He was in a bank because he was way behind.
unidentified		He was willing to make a deal.
		But he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
		And the devil jumped up on a hickory sun and said, boy, let me tell you what.
		I get you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
		And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
		Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his view.
		I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul because I think I'm better than you.
		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		That's 1-775-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has easily been a year since we've heard from JC.
		And so, I'm going to let you ask questions if you want to.
		JC, our special guest, this half hour, if he'll stick around, because he complains he doesn't ever get the airtime.
		Well, tonight, JC is going to get the airtime.
		If you have questions for J.C., come now.
		J.C. Ever want to see in the dark?
		But Jay C is a very special person.
		We haven't heard from him in, oh, it's been at least a year, maybe more.
		Here's JC, if he waited.
unidentified		Yes, I'm still here.
		I am not going to give up.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jay C, I want you to do something for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look down at your hand right now.
unidentified		What about my hand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you see your hand?
unidentified		Yes, I see my hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you see your knuckles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they bleeding?
unidentified		What do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they bleeding?
unidentified		They have in the past because I've had to smash my phone and my radio because of what you've said.
unidentified		You owe me money for two, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I bet I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Send me a bill.
unidentified		And I want to get one of those night visions because you've been stalking me and creeping around in my bushes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stalking you?
unidentified		Yes, harassing me, calling my phone at all hours of the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an outright lie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I remember you said you thought I was calling you, didn't you?
unidentified		Someone's been calling me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it hasn't been me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know, frankly, who would voluntarily call you at all?
unidentified		Lots of people because they're looking for guidance.
		One time.
		I've been directing them to me.
		And I want to say how glad I am to finally hear that the CIA is taking care of that commie, pinko, left-wing, liberal, homosexual platform, KPFA.
		I'm so glad that that station is going to go off the air.
		I hate that station.
		I have been familiar with them for years, and I've heard the dribble coming out of that filthy, filthy...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think that there's a place in America for all kinds of views, radical views?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, America.
unidentified		You really don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are the most narrow, myopic-minded, you know, I have to even say human beings.
unidentified		What?
		I was being nice to them.
		I was putting it nice terms.
		You don't want to know how I really feel about them.
		My God, no, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not on this program.
		Let me tell you something, JC.
		You are exactly the kind of person who would be taken down first, along with the radio station you referred to, and extreme views of all kinds.
		They'd take you out and they'd burn you at the stake, JC.
unidentified		Oh, stake burning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stake burning, yeah.
unidentified		Listen to me.
unidentified		America was founded by people like me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it now?
unidentified		Yes, it was.
		Conservative Christians who wanted freedom.
		The freedom of religion means the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Freedom for freedom for the right kind of people who had exactly the same kind of views that they had, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not freedom for anybody else, right?
unidentified		For me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But people like you.
unidentified		Look, JC.
unidentified		JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To prove how full of it you are, I'm going to let my audience ask you some questions, as I did once before.
unidentified		Well, do you think they could form a sentence that is coherent?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		We're going to find out.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with JC.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Mark from Spokane, Washington, listening to you on Super Talk 1510, KGA Country.
		Yes.
		And I have kind of a comment about JC's view and women.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		First of all, the book which he claims to have read, I'll paraphrase, it says, for us men to love our significant other.
		And I won't quote it because I know you don't like that on the air, but it does say that.
		And in my opinion, you know, JC, I am a Christian.
		And, you know, it does say that, you know, we should, you know, in other words, not treat them like an inferior spirit.
		Listen, listen, listen.
		Have you ever heard of tough love?
		And the thing about that is that we should, by loving them, by taking command of their will, we are loving them because they are incapable.
		It is love that we have.
		They are incapable of making decisions that are right and moral and just because they are created as less than man.
		They are support staff for the man.
		God had a plan when he created woman.
		He said, Adam's down there, and he's not a very good cook, and he doesn't know, he's not cleaning up, and he's smelly.
		He's scaring away all the animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adam's not a good cook.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adam's not a good cook?
unidentified		Listen, that's not the process of man to cook.
		He has to hunt the beast.
		And if he smells bad hunting the beast with the dirty winecloth or whatever, then he can't get his job done.
		And so the Lord said, I love him.
		We can't have two bosses, so let's create one to support Adam.
		But her will is going to be weaker because she is only a part of him.
		You see?
		And so it is our love, through our love, that we take command of the inferior will of a woman, which was led astray by Satan because her will was so weak, Satan was able to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's not true.
unidentified		That is not true.
		Yes, it is.
		It's her fault.
		She says there is.
		Listen, listen, are you calling God a liar?
		How dare you?
		No, not by any means.
		How dare you call God a liar?
		It's in the book.
		You ought to read the book.
		I do.
		No, you don't.
		You're lying.
		You're calling God a liar.
		Listen to you.
		You know what I'm saying?
		I don't believe in condom use either.
		Handing out condom use.
		That's the worst thing that has ever come.
		That's given the okay to fornicate at will.
		You misheard me.
		I said you're preaching condemnation.
		I mean, meaning hate.
		You know, and.
		You're preaching hate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said you're preaching hate.
unidentified		I have love.
		I am not preaching hate to anyone.
		Tough love is not hate.
		And the right thing is not hate.
		Listen, we have to do the right thing.
		And the Lord wants us to.
		Listen, if you talk to the Lord directly, no, you don't.
		I have a hot right to the Lord.
		And he says to me, he says, JC, the world is going astray.
		JC, you need to take tough love to America.
		You need to remind America of the heritage.
		And he said to me, he said, you've got to get through tonight.
		He said, you dial till your fingers bleed.
		And I did.
		And I dialed and I got through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I knew they were bleeding.
		I knew it.
		I knew there was blood on his fingers.
		All right, Color.
		Thank you.
unidentified		You're very open-minded for that on your shoes.
		So you have a good night then, Art, and God bless.
		And I'll keep you and your family situation there in my discussion.
		Yes, please.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Card Line, you're on the air with JC.
unidentified		Yeah, I got a question for him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, turn your radio off.
		That's important.
		Right away.
		Everybody has to do that when they get on the air, so have it nearby so you can see.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		JC's here.
		Go.
unidentified		Okay, JC.
		If God, if women are so inferior, this is the first question.
		Why would God bring his son through a woman?
		The next, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait till he sent us with a question, JC.
unidentified		The next question is, in the lineage of Jesus Christ himself on the women's side, the women, like at the walls, Jericho, that's in Jesus Christ's lineage.
		That woman there, and she was like ill repute.
		You're judging women when God has put them on a pedestal.
		He doesn't run them down.
		Yeah, making any sense.
		No, he picked the woman.
		Why didn't he pick a man?
		He's powerful enough.
		He could have made a man give birth to the Savior.
		No, he picked a woman.
		Well, look, it'd be mighty hard for a man to give birth.
		Well, then why didn't he just materialize?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The caller has a point.
		The caller said, look, the Lord had a choice.
		He could have fixed it up so men were able to bear children.
		He didn't.
		He picked a woman to have the Savior.
unidentified		Listen, listen.
		That is because of that.
		Without women on this world, we are barbaric.
		I hate to say it.
		Anglo-Saxon is.
		Hey, now you're white-bashing, huh?
		No.
		I'm just telling you how we've done through history.
		If you don't like history and you're stuck, then that's your problem.
		You're the one preaching hate.
		You're the one that wants to destroy what God has created.
		God created marriage.
		Yes, he did.
		You might read the New Testament.
		It talks about being equal, sharing burden together.
		Man, you've just lost it.
		You're blinded by your own righteousness.
		You're a self-righteous person.
		You're not making that.
		And you're the worst kind.
		You're the ones that hurt true Christianity, JC.
		You're the one that's one of the reasons why this world is getting the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, JC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people have said that, not just that man, that you are destroying Christianity.
unidentified		Truth hurts.
		Truth hurts.
		And these are people who have been led astray.
		These are people who probably, you know, they read the horoscope in the morning in the paper and go, oh, well, you know, maybe I better not go to church today because the horoscope says not to.
		These are people who have taken so much of the worldliness and they mistake the real thing as being, hey, so, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so really, did you hear my guest, JC?
unidentified		Who?
unidentified		So what he had on tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Shaleen, yeah.
unidentified		He was, yes, I heard him.
		This is why I'm so angry because who is he?
		He acts like he's, you know, I am outraged at what he acts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even you, JC, you're becoming more feminine by the day.
unidentified		I am not.
unidentified		I'm all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure you are.
unidentified		God made me man.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with JC, alright, JC's still there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd just like to tell him that I'm a professed Christian, and it seems like to me that he's the kind of person that professes to be a Christian that gives all of us other Christians the bad name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I told you, JC, a lot of people say that.
unidentified		Well, you all sound like a broken record.
		They say the same thing about Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan.
		No, no.
		They don't get on the radio and sit there and hoot and holler like a wild man.
		Oh.
		Because you're not familiar with revival preaching and preaching fire.
		You're not familiar with it.
		If you're afraid, turn off your radio.
		If you can't take the heat, then don't sin because you're going to go to hell.
		Honey draws more flies.
		Huh?
		Don't tell me, honey.
		I ate your honey.
		How dare you?
		I knew that there was something wrong with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC, do you really believe that people will burn in hellfire and brimstone and all that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe all that.
unidentified		I'll tell you, there's a very special place for your listeners, Art, and it's vats and huge pits of boiling sewage where their skin will be taken off and they'll be dipped in salt and thrown into the boiling sewage vats.
		Yes, and fire and gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and all horrible manner of things.
		Yes, I believe in hell.
		Well, a true Christian would be preaching love and forgiveness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like the fire better than I did the boiling pits of sewage.
unidentified		God.
		Wild Guardline.
		I'm sorry for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Wild Guardline, you're on the air with Jay C now.
unidentified		JC, have you ever got back to the book of Isaiah and I paraphrase when it says, in these days that the women will rule over the men?
		That's the final days of Armageddon and the days when things will be backwards and everything will be wrong.
		Women are not to be the rulers.
		See, women, like I'm trying to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not really into goddesses, are you?
unidentified		No.
		God is a man.
		God is not a mother.
		J.C., how about religious freedom?
		Didn't you know that...
		Well, hold it for a second.
		Hold it for a second.
		I think you'll find the Muslim world.
		Have you ever seen the film Not Without My Daughter?
		I have not seen that film because I refuse to watch anything dealing with Muslim.
		Muslimism.
		Well, Muslimism.
		I think you'll find that the very basis of that film is.
		Muslims are a bunch of religious nuts, and I don't like them.
		You don't believe in freedom religion for anybody but yourself, is that correct?
		Listen to me.
		How can I help but listen?
		I'm trying to help you, and you're just trying to double-talk me and call me a Muslim.
		I'm not a Muslim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think you're being very facetious, all right.
unidentified		But at the same time, if you believe in religious freedom, I mean, you can look at the other half of the world, be they Hindu or Muslim or Shinto or whatever.
		They believe what you believe here.
		You ought to have had to say that on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't believe in religious freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's obvious.
unidentified		I do believe in religious freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have freedom to believe that.
unidentified		What is your religion?
unidentified		Freedom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what you mean is freedom to believe as you believe only.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		He certainly doesn't believe in extending religious freedom to anybody else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		This country was founded on the fact that our founding fathers were trying to get away from all the pagans and the Muslims and the crazies in Europe, and they said freedom of religion, freedom for Christianity to reign supreme.
		Well, sir, you don't know history very well.
		Well, I think this, that I do agree with you, which might surprise you, on the premise that based on roles, that God has given women motherhood, and in the scriptures it teaches that the women are to follow the men as the men follow Christ.
		Listen.
		He also cursed them with the curse of blood, what they did to Adam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See what he did?
unidentified		Eve was weak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you give up calling?
unidentified		Eve was weak.
		Oh, no, not at all.
		And it's her weakness that God is in trouble.
		She said, come on over here, bite the apple.
		And we're winning.
		And, you know, I want to say another thing that the rise of femininity has given.
		And Jerry Falwell pointed out that this Rill affair is going across the countryside with a bunch of rampaging lesbians, young women, lesbians.
		They're out of control.
		You know, if you wouldn't talk so fast, you know, my mind doesn't work quite as fast.
		That's because you have an information.
		Oh, I do.
		Well, in any case, I'd say that Art sure, you know, on this, you're accusing Art of saying you're an apologist for the old Soviet Union.
		I think people filed this because Art has been very concerned about the racial detention of strategic weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
		We're not going anywhere else with that one.
		Yellow, the Soviet Union.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with JC.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Paula from Hawaii.
		Hi, Paula.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finally, the feminine point of view.
unidentified		Remember, you call me Kelly Bundy once?
		Oh, my God.
		You have just mentioned one of the most evil things.
		That's one of the funniest programs.
		I have worked since that program.
		It is one of the funniest programs ever put on.
		That program shut up for me.
		I've been launched, Teller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC Danny.
unidentified		Anyways, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let her say something.
unidentified		She's calling all the way from Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let her say something, JC.
unidentified		Yeah, I'll send my phone bill to him if he doesn't mind.
		Yeah.
		Whatever.
		Anyways, I'm wondering if your guest tomorrow night is going to discuss the rituals that the Illuminati are going to be performing in the Great Pyramid later this month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Highly doubtful.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The theoretical physicist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, do you have any questions for JC?
unidentified		Just let him know, it takes one to know one.
		I have a question for you, woman.
		Hey, I have a question for you.
		Hey, Loha, Art.
		Love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Oh, she's gone.
		Too bad.
unidentified		Because she couldn't take the heat.
		She couldn't take my righteous morality.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with the righteous moral JC.
unidentified		I've only got one quick little comment for JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, let's see for you.
unidentified		You've been drinking.
		It's your pleasure.
		Remember Liberal Charlie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's on a cellular phone, JC.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Go ahead.
		Do you remember Liberal Charlie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Kind of wonder if maybe JC isn't maybe his third cousin or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that one even I couldn't swallow.
unidentified		Charlie.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That name is from years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Anyway, have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they had a similar wine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's about all.
unidentified		I remember him.
		He was the voice of Soviets.
		Propaganda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies.
unidentified		I was inclusion with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was inclusion.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with J.C. Hey, Art.
		Hey.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's on your mind?
unidentified		You said you're guiding people, right?
		I'm what?
		JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're guiding people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Guiding people, JC.
unidentified		Yes, like a beacon of hope.
		Are you guiding him to the loony bin?
		To the what?
		To the loony bin, to the nuthouse.
		What about the nut house?
		Because that sounds like where you're calling from.
		You're in college to insult me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see how people receive you, JC?
unidentified		I've never intellectualized my moment.
		He has to insult me and attack.
		You told Art he was in your bushes.
		That's ridiculous.
		Someone's been stuck in me.
		Art, God bless you for letting this man talk.
		It's been the funniest show I've ever heard.
		I swear to God.
		You won't be laughing when you are thrown into the boiling pit of sewage.
		That's wonderful.
		There's a place with your name on it.
		You better get a lot of sunscreen now, buddy, because you're going to burn in hell.
		him on for a full night, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, one of these nights.
		We'll do that.
		I don't know if anybody could handle it, JC.
		You think you could do a whole night sometime, JC?
unidentified		I have the righteous constitution of the Lord, and a full night would be no problem at all.
		I have such religious might, and my word is so vital to America that I would do a full night, and I could still go and go.
		I could have my own show.
		I should do my own show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I'd go that far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But having you on for a full night, or at least a part of a night, as much as anybody could stand, that might be fun.
unidentified		I don't have to take the pencil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, a young hop.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tomorrow night, Dr. Michio Kaku will be here, one of our nation's greatest physicists, theoretical physicists.
		In the meantime, after this, what do I say?
		There is nothing.
		There are no words, except good night.
		Music Chuck Missler, he received a congressional appointment to the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland, graduated with honors, received his commission in the U.S. Air Force.
		By the time he completed his military obligations, he had become branch chief of the Air Force's Department of Guided Missiles.
		His civilian career began as a systems engineer at TRW, followed by a senior analyst position in a think tank research center for both the intelligence community and the Department of Defense.
		Meanwhile, he completed a master's degree in engineering at UCLA with additional postgraduate studies, including applied mathematics, advanced statistics, and informational sciences.
		Then was recruited by the Ford Motor Company into a senior management position.
		Left Ford to start his own company.
		Served as a consultant to the board of Rockwell International for corporate projects.
		Has participated in over 100 new business as a principal, strategic advisor, or turnaround specialist.
		During the past 30 years, he served on the board of directors of over a dozen public companies, was chairman and chief executive officer of six of them.
		And here once again are my guests, Chuck Missler and Mark.
		Chuck, welcome to the program, I hope.
unidentified		Oh, indeed, and I appreciate the opportunity, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a bit of a fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The hotel phone didn't work, so now we have you, I think, sitting at a phone booth someplace with a table.
unidentified		Yes, there's a.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a chair?
unidentified		Yes, there's a little lobby area, and I don't think it's trafficked much.
unidentified		And I got a chair and a table, and glad to spend the time with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
		All right.
		We, in the first half hour, while you were probably madly dashing around, have been talking about genetics, Adam and Eve, evolution versus creation, and all that sort of thing.
		And the good doctor has been laying out why he believes that we are created.
		We are not something that evolved from a strike of lightning into a soup of something or another.
		And then we crawled forth and finally became what we are today.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		Well, I'm glad that that sounds like constructive conversation.
		And Mark is a good friend, and we've collaborated on a number of works, and he's a very competent guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the question that we began with was, are UFOs real?
unidentified		Well, you know, that's a very fundamental issue.
		And we feel we've researched that very thoroughly.
		And it's probably the most difficult research area we've ever undertaken because of all the screwball stuff that's out there.
		There's so many hoaxes, so much nonsense, and I've also was shocked to discover very well-funded disinformation in that area.
		But when you strip all that away, you're left with a residue that is really pretty undeniable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going back just a little bit, you guys absolutely can see both of you, that there are people paid to disinform.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Yes, I have, I got to speak carefully here because I am not on any active clearances at the moment, but I have held them in the past.
		And because of my background, I work hard to honor those.
		I have friends in the classified community that have helped me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're telling me you have personal knowledge, first-hand knowledge, that what I just said is true, but you can't talk about the details.
unidentified		There are friends of mine that are still within the deeply classified community, and we can talk a little bit about that.
unidentified		But the point is, clearly, and it's a mystery to many of them exactly what's going on, but clearly there's more than one group within the government labyrinth that seem to spend significant budgets on disinformation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's the reason that I ask.
		As you know, my program is by far the largest of its type.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I encounter from time to time people that I would swear up and down are paid disinformants.
unidentified		That's surprising.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I would imagine if what you say you know to be true is true, that this program would be the target of, absolutely would be the target of disinformation.
unidentified		I would subscribe to that 100%, Art, because I can't speculate on what their agenda is.
		That's a complicated question.
		However, there's just no question about it.
		I think anyone that's followed this area carefully over the years will generally subscribe to the fact that there is a lot of disinformation, and some of it is not trivial pranks.
		Some of it is...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		That's a good example because if one studies it carefully, there seems to be pretty good evidence that it's a hoax.
unidentified		On the other hand, that's not the kind of thing that a couple of guys cooked up over a weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're darn right.
unidentified		When you study that thing, you begin to realize, if you have any background in production, that thing had quite a budget.
		Someone went through an awful lot of trouble.
		What's a mystery about it is they didn't go to quite enough trouble to make it thoroughly convincing.
		There are a couple of tip-offs in the thing.
		The fact that you've got a guy behind the glass wearing a surgical mask is an example of that.
		The point is, I happened to, I was inquiring, I've got to be careful how I say this.
		I had some friends that are in the deeply classified community, and that's one of the questions I brought up.
		He says, the autopsy video is obviously something that required a significant budget, a budget that's probably larger than they recovered by promoting the video.
		And the inadvertent disclosure was, there's plenty of money in the black community.
		Now, in the vocabulary we're talking about, black is not a racist thing.
		It's a term used of what's called a compartmented program.
		And maybe it's appropriate to just give a brief tutorial here.
		There are obviously contracts that are classified, secret, top secret, or whatever.
		If you really want to secure a contract, the next level is what they call compartmentization.
		What they do is they classify the existence of the contract.
		And since that is typically an intelligence ops, not necessarily, but usually, the cliché is the program went black.
		It's a black ops.
		I was shocked to discover, Art, that there is a third level.
		I was chairman of the board of a publicly traded defense contractor, and I was called into a meeting in which I discovered that there is a level of classification that in my several decades of defense activities, I never even knew about, and that's where the existence of your customer is classified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of what?
unidentified		The existence of the customer is classified.
		And we were in a meeting.
		I was the controlling shareholder.
		I was called in, and we asked to have our banker represented, First Interstate Bank was called in.
		And the people that came in passed out their business cards, but quickly pointed out that the titles and names are covers, and we knew that.
		And they pointed out that we were eligible for a contract.
		I won't go through the whole thing.
		I won't bore you with it.
		The point is, it turned out we did succeed in getting the contract, and it was the B-2 before it was handed over to Northrop.
		And the little business card says, High Technology Research Associates, but that was just a cover at the time.
		The point is, I didn't realize there's a whole infrastructure, there are courts and other procedures to handle contractors' problems and things, in a community that is even deeper than the black community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's stick with Vlad for a second.
		I would like to understand a few things about black ops.
		One, if with regard to the UFO issue, there is disinformation being spread intentionally, and I think we all agree there is, what is the motive?
unidentified		That is a subject of substantial speculation.
		I'll tell you what makes it complicated to try to analyze is because some of the disinformation is aimed at discrediting the whole UFO area.
		But there's also projects sprung that seem to bolster the UFO area.
		I'll give you one example.
		I personally have the suspicion, let me say it very carefully, I personally have the suspicion that the sighting on March 13th of 1997 over Phoenix, Arizona, I believe that that was a program, a military program of projection holography.
		The Department of Defense had a program called Non-lethal Weapons that went black in 1994.
		And I have no idea how they really execute this, but apparently they have the technology to create very large-scale illusions.
		The enigma is what do you do with it?
		You know, you can intimidate a battlefield, who knows.
		It's my suspicion for some subtle reasons that what really went on in Phoenix was a demonstration or a trial or a test of that technology.
		I suspect that what went over that segment of Arizona was not a UFO as we generally would tend to define it.
		I think personally, that was a military gambit of some kind as a test.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but let's reason this out a little bit.
		The military, specifically the Air Force, for example, not long ago had this big news conference with Colonel Haynes to debunk the whole Roswell business.
		And a case closed, Roswell case closed, they called it, whatever it was.
		Now, that would indicate that the government, as represented by the military, is trying to debunk the whole UFO thing.
		So why in God's name would they do something to intentionally create the illusion of a gigantic UFO over a major city?
		I mean, they're working...
unidentified		have no idea.
		The thing that Mr. Euthan And what's really a mystery about that is the cover stories are really fragile.
		They're really absurd.
		and this last one being no different.
		You would think...
		And the truth of the matter is there are all kinds of subgroups, many of them at war with each other for various reasons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, the doctor would know about that.
		The Drug Enforcement Agency, for example, monitors even common everyday doctors and what they dispense.
		And if they dispense too much pain medicine, they get in trouble, right, Doctor?
		Yes, very true.
unidentified		And so one of the things, I also suspect, something that is another controversy is this whole MJ-12 issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I've been through those documents, and I also been through all the debunking of years ago.
		And one of the suspicions that I've returned to, and it's just a suspicion, you have to be candid, I don't have inside information on this one, but I suspect, for lots of reasons, that the MJ-12 kind of thing does indeed exist.
		That there is some kind of a group that enjoys very deep cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Stan Friedman believes very much these are indeed authentic documents.
unidentified		And I am very impressed with Stan and the kind of approach that he took to this research.
		And I think that also it's interesting that the Vatican, in recent weeks, have a spokesman by the name of Balducci.
		He's appeared on Italian television five times at least that we know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And asserting that the Vatican have a research, I mean an intelligence network, probably second to none.
		He argues that the UFOs are very real.
		And he made an interesting slip of the tongue because in alluding to one of the scientists, he called him an MJ-12 scientist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did?
unidentified		Yes, he did.
unidentified		And that startled me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, I missed that.
unidentified		And that caught my eye.
		I contacted through up through Iraq.
		Fortunately, I'm blessed with a good team of guys, and one of them is John Loffler, who's a good friend of Malachi Martin.
		And he's sort of one of the experts of Vatican Watchers, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I talked to Malachi the other day, and by the way, he confirmed everything you just said, not the MJ-12 business, but he said, look, the aliens are absolutely real.
unidentified		Well, see, we wanted to find out if this Balducci thing was real or if it was one of these other, you know, these strange echoes you hear.
unidentified		And apparently Balducci is legitimate, is real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it was Balducci's remark.
		He happened to allude, and I've forgotten the guy's name now.
		He's alluding to one of the experts or scientists, but he called him an MJ-12 scientist, which I thought was interesting because if nothing else, if nothing else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't have been a slip of the tongue.
		It couldn't.
		Come on now.
		MJ-12 scientist.
		That is not.
		That's not Freud at work somewhere there.
unidentified		No, I don't think so.
		And the thing that hit me talking to Stan Friedman and being aware of his thoroughness and methodical approach to life, what intrigued me is this whole surfacing of documents 20 years ago and their subsequent debunking is exactly the kind of art form that the intelligence community has developed to a high level of science.
		The ability to surface a story and have it subsequently debunked is the perfect way to cover an operation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we, by the way, is there any advice you can give to the listening audience with respect to how to discern when you're hearing disinformation or a paid disinformation agent?
		I ask that because everybody is accused of being one, including me, all the time.
		I get so sick of it, I finally tell people, yeah, that's right.
		I get my check every month.
		For a second, let us be serious.
		Is there a way to know?
unidentified		I think the only way, it almost becomes an exercise in cryptography in the sense that you have to judge the source and you have to put it against a fabric of background.
		Because good disinformation by its design and by the resources behind it should be not discernible and disinformation.
		So part of what one is faced with is putting together a perspective of multiple sources against a fabric of a worldview or a background.
		And that doesn't sound very pragmatic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I could give you a really good example of what I thought was disinformation.
		You remember the whole hail-bop thing with Courtney Brown?
		Professor Brown?
		Yes.
		I am convinced to this day, of course, Courtney Brown will not reveal where he got the photographs or anything else.
		But I am convinced that was disinformation, intentional disinformation.
unidentified		And it may have been planted to hurt you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It didn't work.
		Yeah.
		But it may have been planted to hurt me.
		Now, we simply, of course, followed the trail of evidence back until we got stopped and Courtney Brown said, no, I won't tell you where I got it.
		And that's where it ended.
		But it smelled to high heaven of disinformation.
unidentified		Well, that's one of the impressive things about Stanton Friedman's work, is that he took the resumes of the so-called 12 prominent people and discovered by getting into their backgrounds and building their dossiers that one of them changed and really spent his career quietly debunking UFO stories, even asserting technical cover stories that he knew were not scientifically valid.
		So that's one of the things.
		You do get the impression that there has been, even as early as the late 40s, early 50s, very, very organized disinformation to discredit or confuse the whole UFO area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both of you sound like ufologists, and it seems to me that as Christians, you're slightly heretical, aren't you?
unidentified		Oh, I've got to tell you candidly, the book is very controversial.
		Our book, Alien Encounters, is controversial not because of the UFO background.
		We, especially Mark, has done such a thorough job at just trying to recap for the average listener the whole background.
		But candidly, that's pretty straightforward, solid stuff.
		The thing that's made the book very, very bitterly controversial is not the UFO stuff, it's the Bible stuff.
		Because in chapter 10, we deal very aggressively, very assertively, with the whole issue of Genesis chapter 6.
		And it turns out that even though we take the classic position and defend it, I think, thoroughly, pastors and many, many people within the Christian community are really upset with us because they can't handle the whole idea of angels coming down and all that business.
		We present rather carefully and rather thoroughly what's called, what you might call the angel view of Genesis 6, that there were somehow some pretty strange beings that entered mankind's history to create a set of hybrids.
		That's in the Bible, and in fact, you really won't understand most of the Old Testament unless you recognize what's going on behind the scenes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we were talking again before you arrived, Chuck, with Dr. Eastman about genetics.
		And he said that our genetic code is, in effect, deteriorating, and that that would occur to any race, that even with error correction, genetic code would slowly sort of deteriorate.
		And as we know, From a lot of people who have claimed to have been abducted, the experimentation seems to be related to reproductive systems and to genetics.
unidentified		And by the way, we cover that in detail in the book in chapter 5.
		That's something we can get into tonight as we go on.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, gentlemen, very good.
		Hold it right where you are.
		We're going to break, and you've got a good long, oh, I don't know, 10-minute or so break here.
		My guests are Chuck Missler and Dr. Mark Eastman.
		And we're talking.
		We're talking about the really the unthinkable for Christians.
		Many Christians, anyway.
		And that is the presence of others.
		Here, once again, is Lorena McKennett.
		If I'm lucky and I manage to get across town in Vancouver fast enough, this next coming Sunday, I'm going to be seeing her on stage.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Is this here?
		The action guy.
		You can get off the bus.
		Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to my guests, Chuck Missler and Dr. Mark Eastman.
		Gentlemen, welcome back.
		Doctor, before we proceed, I have a question for you or somebody from Eugene Oregon does.
		Alex asks, first of all, the famous lightning bolt theory states that amino acids were created in the primordial soup, not DNA, which may have evolved to its current level of complexity over millions of years.
		Dr. Eastman also implied that anything complex like the DNA molecule must have been created by an almighty intelligence.
		If this is the case, then what exactly created the power and complexity of a god?
unidentified		Lightning bolt striking a puddle is one that I get quite frequently.
		In 1953, Stanley Miller, who was actually a chemistry professor at UCSD, he won the Nobel Prize for an experiment where he passed methane, water, ammonia, gas in a chamber and he sparked it.
		And it was to try to imitate the spark and soup experiment.
		And he produced two amino acids, glyphine and alanine, which are the simplest of amino acids.
		And the scientific community went crazy, and they said, ah, he's produced the building blocks of life by chance.
		Therefore, can't the whole building be built by chance?
		But when you look carefully at his experiments, you see there's a couple problems.
		Number one, Stanley Miller did not use chance.
		He used biochemical know-how.
		The first time he did the experiment, he got no products relevant to life.
		The second time, after using his knowledge of physical chemistry and biochemistry, he tweaked the experiments, optimized the condition, which means he introduced know-how, information, thoughts, concepts, ideas, and he was able to then produce the amino acids.
		Secondly, so he didn't use chance, he used information, which is what the creation model says.
		The creation model says that life is the product of information, know-how, thoughts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you, Doctor, was this primordial soup that he had concocted very probably what could have been on Earth had there been nothing so long ago?
unidentified		Based on the understanding in 1953, they believed that the ancient atmosphere was an oxygen-lacking atmosphere.
unidentified		And so he tried to imitate what was believed to be what was called a reducing atmosphere.

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