Art Bell’s episode features controversial caller JC, who argues women are divinely inferior to men, misquoting Proverbs 31:3 and dismissing biblical equality as liberal propaganda while warning of hellfire for dissenters. Guests Chuck Missler and Dr. Mark Eastman discuss UFO disinformation, linking the 1997 Phoenix Lights to military holography tests under Non-lethal Weapons, and question MJ-12’s authenticity despite Vatican hints via spokesman Balducci. Their book Alien Encounters ties Genesis 6 to extraterrestrial influence, echoing earlier claims about genetic experiments in abduction narratives. The episode blends fringe conspiracy theories with biblical literalism, suggesting hidden agendas—whether in science, government, or faith—reshape public perception of truth and morality. [Automatically generated summary]
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Meaning, if you go up to my website and you download the G2 program, it's free, by the way.
And then you go back up to my website and you click on streaming video.
There I will be doing the show.
For all five hours, you can sit there and watch me talk.
And occasionally we come up with something innovative to put on.
One of these nights, one of these nights, I'm going to, when we've got a meteor storm going on, I'm going to take the streaming video and put it on my, I've got a, And I'm going to light that one up on streaming video.
But I want a night when we've got a little action out there.
Speaking of action, we have had a stream of great, big, military, mugungous, gigantic black helicopters coming over.
And these big double Vertol or Piaseki military helicopters.
And then, of course, the singles come screaming right overhead over the valley here.
There's something interesting going on over the hill.
I wonder what they're doing.
Let me see.
World news.
Republican HMO bill is passed by the Senate.
Patience protections.
President says he'll veto the thing.
And speaking of the president, he just got a pay raise.
The House voted overwhelmingly today, this is something they can all get together on, to give members of Congress a $4,600 pay raise in January and double the president's salary to $400,000.
$400,000.
If they keep that up, that job will be eventually worth having.
$400,000.
And of course, they, as I said, voted to raise their own pay.
Last time this happened, everybody got really angry.
But it doesn't seem like there's this upwelling of anger about the president's lawmakers' hike in salary because, you know, everybody's pretty much doing all right financially.
And so I guess they don't care.
China declared Thursday that it has now invented its own neutron bomb.
Great.
Making an unprecedented disclosure about its nuclear arsenal amid U.S. accusations of atomic spying.
Yeah, I noted last night when somebody said they had the neutron bomb that I would look into the story and sure enough they do.
And I said probably they got the neutron bomb manual in full tact over there.
China is known to have exploded a neutron bomb back in 1988, but in keeping with its normal secretive military traditions, apparently never announced its achievement.
Now, if they had that in 1988, then they just might have what's now been called the mini neutron bomb.
Nuclear weapons scientist Sam Cohen says it is very foolish to assume that any new nation that acquires nuclear capability would be constant with, content rather, with developing warheads closely resembling the bomb dropped on Nagasaki, namely a massive warhead weighing thousands of pounds.
Nevertheless, the U.S. government remains perversely committed to this fatal assumption.
Cohen contends that enormous technological progress has occurred in the last 50 years since the atom bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, and that most of the information needed for making smaller, more powerful bombs is unclassified, easily accessible.
Hell, you can probably go up onto the internet and go to one of the search engines and put in atomic bomb, and I imagine the instructions will come back to you.
But I mean, they're talking about miniature, miniature neutron bombs.
Now, neutron bomb is something that would go off as I understand it.
And it would kill people real quick.
But it would leave buildings and assets in place.
Now, that really is a dangerous bomb.
I mean, you know, the thing about nuclear warfare has always been obviously that it would lead to a planet-wide genocide.
You know, we'd get mad.
Mutual assured destruction, it was called.
And now we're getting down to suitcase-sized neutron bombs.
A New Zealand listener writes that he's convinced there is some sort of conspiracy underway because every time he says, it never fails, he says, that you and your guests are getting to a very important part of the conversation.
We all anxiously await the message, and our transmission is jammed for several minutes and then returns to normal right after the question is answered.
He also notes from New Zealand, this is Nancy.
I'm sorry, Nancy.
She notes, you might have heard about the meteorite that came down and exploded over New Zealand about a week ago.
Well, there was a high-quality home video of it that was shown on TV2 a couple of nights ago.
The video showed the object clearly coming into view, then exploding with a very loud concussion and leaving a large smoke cloud.
Now, why haven't we seen that video?
She didn't think it was a meteorite.
They found nothing.
No pieces, no parts, nothing.
And here's a very interesting fact.
Art, I don't know if you've covered this or not, but did you hear that almost the entire crop of chili peppers in New Mexico has failed?
It was due, they say, to curly leaf virus, as well as excess heat and wind.
Green chili peppers are one of the most important agricultural crops of New Mexico.
And frankly, this sounds a little like something Gordon Michael Scallion or Major Dames talked about.
And I've got to agree, all the peppers, the chili peppers, that's really weird.
Oh, by the way, flashing across the net, I'm getting a lot of messages about Robert Wraith like this one.
Now, I'm going to read it, and I have no idea whether it's true or not.
You remember Robert Wraith, right?
Dr. Reed?
Do you remember Dr. Reed and the alien and the dog?
Well, I must have 20 messages saying that Dr. Reed was shot and is recovering.
It was unsure at first.
And apparently he was shot.
These people are telling me in the late spring now, if Robert Wraith and Dr. Reed would like to get hold of me, I don't have your number.
You have mine.
And or provide me with a phone number.
I would be glad to get hold of you and see if we can schedule you again if you have been shot.
This certainly deserves a follow-up story.
That was the alien in the freezer.
Hello, Doctor.
Right?
Hope it's not true, but after about 20 messages, why?
Now, as you know, Y2K really hadn't been in the news.
Why is that?
Well, Art, because somebody doesn't want it there.
But it did break into the news today, and it looks like many U.S. cities, they now say, including Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington, are leaving themselves scant time indeed to complete preps for what might occur in the year 2000.
Now, it's so serious that they're talking about, they say that these cities are not going to make it, and that what they should be working on now are contingency plans.
Got kind of an ominous sound to it, doesn't it?
Contingency plans.
In other words, what do we do when all hell breaks loose, right?
So that's been in the news in the last couple of days.
Gary North will be on again shortly.
Gary and I communicated about a week, oh, a couple of weeks ago now.
And he said about the middle of the month, and of course, it certainly is the middle of the month right now.
So, Gary, fire me some email and let's get it on.
I'd really like to know what you think at this point.
There seems to be a lot of worry out there.
They just occasionally report on it as if to remind you or something.
Well, all right.
In a moment, in a moment, we are going to do open lines for the balance of this hour, and then at the top of the hour.
I'm going to tell you that the downfall of our nation began when women were allowed to be given the right to vote, and that women are weak, and that they are made inferior to the man.
You don't think women ought to have a right to vote.
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They should have no rights to vote because I'll tell you what, it was the woman that led us to the tree and said, here's the apple of my master, Satan.
Satan is the master of the woman because the woman was made weak and the woman was made by God weaker than the man.
And the woman's will is weak and the woman should get behind the man and do as the man says.
This is all because women have been given the voice and authority of the man.
It's causing confusion in our society.
It's the downfall of everything we've held sacred for so many centuries.
And she needs to follow the divine plan, which is to stay behind the man and walk behind him and keep her head down and her mouth shut, and things will go much better.
What about the wheel within the wheel in the Bible?
What about the signs within the world?
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The wheel within the wheel is the devil's.
That's the devil's deduction within the truth that the devil puts out.
The devil will try to take truth with the wheel within the wheel, which is satanic and misinformation.
The wheel is satanic?
Yes.
The wheel is satanic because it is a circle of nothingness leading to nothing, and that is the devil leading to nothing.
So we must reject the circular.
We must stay with our linear and masculine dominance of culture and return to the way it was when women knew their place and everyone knew their place.
This is what's wrong with America when people are going crazy because no one knows what their proper place is anymore.
You should be more like Reed Irvine and Cliff King's native Media Monitor.
Now, they should have a show.
I don't know why your show was so many hours a night and they only get two minutes when they come on during a break, but you need to be more like them.
The Russians are out there invading Kosovo, trying to blind our pilots with laser beams and using radio frequencies that you gave them against us.
You are conspiring to keep me off the air, but the Lord broke through tonight and said, Jay C. must get on to right this wrong which has been perpetrated against you.
And if he smells bad hunting the beast with the dirty winecloth or whatever, then he can't get his job done.
And so the Lord said, I love him.
We can't have two bosses, so let's create one to support Adam.
But her will is going to be weaker because she is only a part of him.
You see?
And so it is our love, through our love, that we take command of the inferior will of a woman, which was led astray by Satan because her will was so weak, Satan was able to do it.
The next question is, in the lineage of Jesus Christ himself on the women's side, the women, like at the walls, Jericho, that's in Jesus Christ's lineage.
That woman there, and she was like ill repute.
You're judging women when God has put them on a pedestal.
He doesn't run them down.
Yeah, making any sense.
No, he picked the woman.
Why didn't he pick a man?
He's powerful enough.
He could have made a man give birth to the Savior.
No, he picked a woman.
Well, look, it'd be mighty hard for a man to give birth.
A lot of people have said that, not just that man, that you are destroying Christianity.
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Truth hurts.
Truth hurts.
And these are people who have been led astray.
These are people who probably, you know, they read the horoscope in the morning in the paper and go, oh, well, you know, maybe I better not go to church today because the horoscope says not to.
These are people who have taken so much of the worldliness and they mistake the real thing as being, hey, so, you know.
Well, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with JC, alright, JC's still there?
Yep.
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Yeah, I'd just like to tell him that I'm a professed Christian, and it seems like to me that he's the kind of person that professes to be a Christian that gives all of us other Christians the bad name.
JC, do you really believe that people will burn in hellfire and brimstone and all that?
You believe all that.
unidentified
I'll tell you, there's a very special place for your listeners, Art, and it's vats and huge pits of boiling sewage where their skin will be taken off and they'll be dipped in salt and thrown into the boiling sewage vats.
Yes, and fire and gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and all horrible manner of things.
Yes, I believe in hell.
Well, a true Christian would be preaching love and forgiveness.
No, I think you're being very facetious, all right.
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But at the same time, if you believe in religious freedom, I mean, you can look at the other half of the world, be they Hindu or Muslim or Shinto or whatever.
This country was founded on the fact that our founding fathers were trying to get away from all the pagans and the Muslims and the crazies in Europe, and they said freedom of religion, freedom for Christianity to reign supreme.
Well, sir, you don't know history very well.
Well, I think this, that I do agree with you, which might surprise you, on the premise that based on roles, that God has given women motherhood, and in the scriptures it teaches that the women are to follow the men as the men follow Christ.
Listen.
He also cursed them with the curse of blood, what they did to Adam.
Yeah, I'll send my phone bill to him if he doesn't mind.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Anyways, I'm wondering if your guest tomorrow night is going to discuss the rituals that the Illuminati are going to be performing in the Great Pyramid later this month.
Well, tomorrow night, Dr. Michio Kaku will be here, one of our nation's greatest physicists, theoretical physicists.
In the meantime, after this, what do I say?
There is nothing.
There are no words, except good night.
Music Chuck Missler, he received a congressional appointment to the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland, graduated with honors, received his commission in the U.S. Air Force.
By the time he completed his military obligations, he had become branch chief of the Air Force's Department of Guided Missiles.
His civilian career began as a systems engineer at TRW, followed by a senior analyst position in a think tank research center for both the intelligence community and the Department of Defense.
Meanwhile, he completed a master's degree in engineering at UCLA with additional postgraduate studies, including applied mathematics, advanced statistics, and informational sciences.
Then was recruited by the Ford Motor Company into a senior management position.
Left Ford to start his own company.
Served as a consultant to the board of Rockwell International for corporate projects.
Has participated in over 100 new business as a principal, strategic advisor, or turnaround specialist.
During the past 30 years, he served on the board of directors of over a dozen public companies, was chairman and chief executive officer of six of them.
And here once again are my guests, Chuck Missler and Mark.
Chuck, welcome to the program, I hope.
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Oh, indeed, and I appreciate the opportunity, Art.
We, in the first half hour, while you were probably madly dashing around, have been talking about genetics, Adam and Eve, evolution versus creation, and all that sort of thing.
And the good doctor has been laying out why he believes that we are created.
We are not something that evolved from a strike of lightning into a soup of something or another.
And then we crawled forth and finally became what we are today.
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Uh-huh.
Well, I'm glad that that sounds like constructive conversation.
And Mark is a good friend, and we've collaborated on a number of works, and he's a very competent guy.
So you're telling me you have personal knowledge, first-hand knowledge, that what I just said is true, but you can't talk about the details.
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There are friends of mine that are still within the deeply classified community, and we can talk a little bit about that.
But the point is, clearly, and it's a mystery to many of them exactly what's going on, but clearly there's more than one group within the government labyrinth that seem to spend significant budgets on disinformation.
And so I would imagine if what you say you know to be true is true, that this program would be the target of, absolutely would be the target of disinformation.
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I would subscribe to that 100%, Art, because I can't speculate on what their agenda is.
That's a complicated question.
However, there's just no question about it.
I think anyone that's followed this area carefully over the years will generally subscribe to the fact that there is a lot of disinformation, and some of it is not trivial pranks.
When you study that thing, you begin to realize, if you have any background in production, that thing had quite a budget.
Someone went through an awful lot of trouble.
What's a mystery about it is they didn't go to quite enough trouble to make it thoroughly convincing.
There are a couple of tip-offs in the thing.
The fact that you've got a guy behind the glass wearing a surgical mask is an example of that.
The point is, I happened to, I was inquiring, I've got to be careful how I say this.
I had some friends that are in the deeply classified community, and that's one of the questions I brought up.
He says, the autopsy video is obviously something that required a significant budget, a budget that's probably larger than they recovered by promoting the video.
And the inadvertent disclosure was, there's plenty of money in the black community.
Now, in the vocabulary we're talking about, black is not a racist thing.
It's a term used of what's called a compartmented program.
And maybe it's appropriate to just give a brief tutorial here.
There are obviously contracts that are classified, secret, top secret, or whatever.
If you really want to secure a contract, the next level is what they call compartmentization.
What they do is they classify the existence of the contract.
And since that is typically an intelligence ops, not necessarily, but usually, the cliché is the program went black.
It's a black ops.
I was shocked to discover, Art, that there is a third level.
I was chairman of the board of a publicly traded defense contractor, and I was called into a meeting in which I discovered that there is a level of classification that in my several decades of defense activities, I never even knew about, and that's where the existence of your customer is classified.
I was called in, and we asked to have our banker represented, First Interstate Bank was called in.
And the people that came in passed out their business cards, but quickly pointed out that the titles and names are covers, and we knew that.
And they pointed out that we were eligible for a contract.
I won't go through the whole thing.
I won't bore you with it.
The point is, it turned out we did succeed in getting the contract, and it was the B-2 before it was handed over to Northrop.
And the little business card says, High Technology Research Associates, but that was just a cover at the time.
The point is, I didn't realize there's a whole infrastructure, there are courts and other procedures to handle contractors' problems and things, in a community that is even deeper than the black community.
All right, well, let's stick with Vlad for a second.
I would like to understand a few things about black ops.
One, if with regard to the UFO issue, there is disinformation being spread intentionally, and I think we all agree there is, what is the motive?
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That is a subject of substantial speculation.
I'll tell you what makes it complicated to try to analyze is because some of the disinformation is aimed at discrediting the whole UFO area.
But there's also projects sprung that seem to bolster the UFO area.
I'll give you one example.
I personally have the suspicion, let me say it very carefully, I personally have the suspicion that the sighting on March 13th of 1997 over Phoenix, Arizona, I believe that that was a program, a military program of projection holography.
The Department of Defense had a program called Non-lethal Weapons that went black in 1994.
And I have no idea how they really execute this, but apparently they have the technology to create very large-scale illusions.
The enigma is what do you do with it?
You know, you can intimidate a battlefield, who knows.
It's my suspicion for some subtle reasons that what really went on in Phoenix was a demonstration or a trial or a test of that technology.
I suspect that what went over that segment of Arizona was not a UFO as we generally would tend to define it.
I think personally, that was a military gambit of some kind as a test.
The military, specifically the Air Force, for example, not long ago had this big news conference with Colonel Haynes to debunk the whole Roswell business.
And a case closed, Roswell case closed, they called it, whatever it was.
Now, that would indicate that the government, as represented by the military, is trying to debunk the whole UFO thing.
So why in God's name would they do something to intentionally create the illusion of a gigantic UFO over a major city?
I mean, they're working...
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have no idea.
The thing that Mr. Euthan And what's really a mystery about that is the cover stories are really fragile.
They're really absurd.
and this last one being no different.
You would think...
And the truth of the matter is there are all kinds of subgroups, many of them at war with each other for various reasons.
And I've been through those documents, and I also been through all the debunking of years ago.
And one of the suspicions that I've returned to, and it's just a suspicion, you have to be candid, I don't have inside information on this one, but I suspect, for lots of reasons, that the MJ-12 kind of thing does indeed exist.
That there is some kind of a group that enjoys very deep cover.
Well, I talked to Malachi the other day, and by the way, he confirmed everything you just said, not the MJ-12 business, but he said, look, the aliens are absolutely real.
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Well, see, we wanted to find out if this Balducci thing was real or if it was one of these other, you know, these strange echoes you hear.
He happened to allude, and I've forgotten the guy's name now.
He's alluding to one of the experts or scientists, but he called him an MJ-12 scientist, which I thought was interesting because if nothing else, if nothing else.
And the thing that hit me talking to Stan Friedman and being aware of his thoroughness and methodical approach to life, what intrigued me is this whole surfacing of documents 20 years ago and their subsequent debunking is exactly the kind of art form that the intelligence community has developed to a high level of science.
The ability to surface a story and have it subsequently debunked is the perfect way to cover an operation.
How do we, by the way, is there any advice you can give to the listening audience with respect to how to discern when you're hearing disinformation or a paid disinformation agent?
I ask that because everybody is accused of being one, including me, all the time.
I get so sick of it, I finally tell people, yeah, that's right.
I get my check every month.
For a second, let us be serious.
Is there a way to know?
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I think the only way, it almost becomes an exercise in cryptography in the sense that you have to judge the source and you have to put it against a fabric of background.
Because good disinformation by its design and by the resources behind it should be not discernible and disinformation.
So part of what one is faced with is putting together a perspective of multiple sources against a fabric of a worldview or a background.
Now, we simply, of course, followed the trail of evidence back until we got stopped and Courtney Brown said, no, I won't tell you where I got it.
And that's where it ended.
But it smelled to high heaven of disinformation.
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Well, that's one of the impressive things about Stanton Friedman's work, is that he took the resumes of the so-called 12 prominent people and discovered by getting into their backgrounds and building their dossiers that one of them changed and really spent his career quietly debunking UFO stories, even asserting technical cover stories that he knew were not scientifically valid.
So that's one of the things.
You do get the impression that there has been, even as early as the late 40s, early 50s, very, very organized disinformation to discredit or confuse the whole UFO area.
Both of you sound like ufologists, and it seems to me that as Christians, you're slightly heretical, aren't you?
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Oh, I've got to tell you candidly, the book is very controversial.
Our book, Alien Encounters, is controversial not because of the UFO background.
We, especially Mark, has done such a thorough job at just trying to recap for the average listener the whole background.
But candidly, that's pretty straightforward, solid stuff.
The thing that's made the book very, very bitterly controversial is not the UFO stuff, it's the Bible stuff.
Because in chapter 10, we deal very aggressively, very assertively, with the whole issue of Genesis chapter 6.
And it turns out that even though we take the classic position and defend it, I think, thoroughly, pastors and many, many people within the Christian community are really upset with us because they can't handle the whole idea of angels coming down and all that business.
We present rather carefully and rather thoroughly what's called, what you might call the angel view of Genesis 6, that there were somehow some pretty strange beings that entered mankind's history to create a set of hybrids.
That's in the Bible, and in fact, you really won't understand most of the Old Testament unless you recognize what's going on behind the scenes.
Well, we were talking again before you arrived, Chuck, with Dr. Eastman about genetics.
And he said that our genetic code is, in effect, deteriorating, and that that would occur to any race, that even with error correction, genetic code would slowly sort of deteriorate.
And as we know, From a lot of people who have claimed to have been abducted, the experimentation seems to be related to reproductive systems and to genetics.
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And by the way, we cover that in detail in the book in chapter 5.
That's something we can get into tonight as we go on.
Back now to my guests, Chuck Missler and Dr. Mark Eastman.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
Doctor, before we proceed, I have a question for you or somebody from Eugene Oregon does.
Alex asks, first of all, the famous lightning bolt theory states that amino acids were created in the primordial soup, not DNA, which may have evolved to its current level of complexity over millions of years.
Dr. Eastman also implied that anything complex like the DNA molecule must have been created by an almighty intelligence.
If this is the case, then what exactly created the power and complexity of a god?
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Lightning bolt striking a puddle is one that I get quite frequently.
In 1953, Stanley Miller, who was actually a chemistry professor at UCSD, he won the Nobel Prize for an experiment where he passed methane, water, ammonia, gas in a chamber and he sparked it.
And it was to try to imitate the spark and soup experiment.
And he produced two amino acids, glyphine and alanine, which are the simplest of amino acids.
And the scientific community went crazy, and they said, ah, he's produced the building blocks of life by chance.
Therefore, can't the whole building be built by chance?
But when you look carefully at his experiments, you see there's a couple problems.
Number one, Stanley Miller did not use chance.
He used biochemical know-how.
The first time he did the experiment, he got no products relevant to life.
The second time, after using his knowledge of physical chemistry and biochemistry, he tweaked the experiments, optimized the condition, which means he introduced know-how, information, thoughts, concepts, ideas, and he was able to then produce the amino acids.
Secondly, so he didn't use chance, he used information, which is what the creation model says.
The creation model says that life is the product of information, know-how, thoughts.