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Sept. 15, 1999 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Long Call with JC
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Something's going on over at Area 51.
I don't know what.
But something's happening over there.
I mean, the traffic has been really incredible.
You know, you hear this big womp, womp, womp, womp, womp.
And these big double Vertol or Piasecki military helicopters.
And then, of course, the Singles come screaming right overhead over the valley here.
There's something interesting going on over the hill.
I wonder what they're doing.
Let me see.
World News.
Republican HMO bill is passed by the Senate.
Patience, protections.
President says he'll veto the thing.
And speaking of the President, he just got a pay raise.
the house voted overwhelmingly today this is something they can all get
together on to give members of congress a four thousand
six hundred dollar pay raise in january and double the president's salary to four hundred thousand dollars
$400,000.
Well, if they keep that up, that job will be eventually worth having.
$400,000.
Hmm.
And, of course, they, as I said, voted to raise their own pay.
Last time this happened, everybody got really angry, but it doesn't seem like there's this upwelling of anger about the president's in the lawmakers hike in salary because you know everybody's pretty much doing all right financially and so I guess they don't care.
China declared Thursday that it has now invented its own neutron bomb.
Great.
By making an unprecedented disclosure about its nuclear arsenal amid U.S.
accusations of atomic spying Yeah, I noted last night when somebody said they had the neutron bomb that I would look into the story, and sure enough, they do.
And I said, probably they got the neutron bomb manual in full tact over there.
China's known to have exploded a neutron bomb back in 1988, but in keeping with its normal secretive military traditions, apparently never announced its achievement.
Now, if they had that in 1988, then they just might have What's now been called the Mini Neutron Bomb.
A nuclear weapons scientist, Sam Cohen, says it is very foolish to assume that any new nation that acquires nuclear capability would be constant with, uh, content, rather, with developing warheads closely resembling the bomb dropped on Nagasaki.
Namely, a massive warhead weighing thousands of pounds.
Nevertheless, the U.S.
government remains perversely committed to this Fatal Assumption.
O'Cohen contends that enormous technological progress has occurred in the last 50 years since the atom bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, and that most of the information needed for making smaller, more powerful bombs is unclassified, easily accessible.
Hell, you can probably go up onto the internet and go to one of the search engines and put in atomic bomb And I imagine the instructions will come back to you, but I mean, they're talking about miniature... miniature neutron bombs.
Now, a neutron bomb is something that would go off, as I understand it.
And it would kill people real quick.
But it would leave buildings and assets in place.
Now, that really is a dangerous bomb.
I mean, you know, the thing about nuclear warfare has always been Obviously that it would lead to a planet-wide genocide.
You know, mad.
Mutual Assured Destruction, it was called.
And now we're getting down to suitcase-sized neutron bombs.
Imagine.
Not a whisper.
Not a bang.
Just a city of people gone.
Dead.
Buildings, plates, untouched food, untouched.
everybody simply drops dead a new zealand uh... listener
rights that he's convinced there is some sort of uh... conspiracy underway
because every time he says
it never fails he says that you you and your guests are getting to a very important
part of the conversation conversation.
We all anxiously await the message and our transmission is jammed for several minutes and then returns to normal right after the question is answered.
He also notes from New Zealand, this is Nancy, I'm sorry Nancy, she notes, you might have heard about the meteorite that came down and exploded over New Zealand about a week ago, well, there was a high-quality home video of it that was shown on TV2 A couple of nights ago, the video showed the object clearly coming into view, then exploding with a very loud concussion and leaving a large smoke cloud.
Now, why haven't we seen that video?
She didn't think it was a meteorite.
They found nothing.
No pieces, no parts, nothing.
And here's a very interesting fact, Art.
I don't know if you've covered this or not, but did you hear that almost the entire crop of chili peppers in New Mexico has failed?
It was due, they say, to curly leaf virus, as well as excess heat and wind.
Green chili peppers are one of the most important agricultural crops of New Mexico.
And frankly, this sounds a little like something Gordon Michael Scallion or Major Dames talked about.
And I've got to agree, all the peppers, the chili peppers, that's really weird.
Oh, by the way, uh, flashing across the net, I'm getting a lot of messages about Robert Wraith, like this one.
Now, I'm going to read it, and I have no idea whether it's true or not.
You remember Robert Wraith, right?
Dr. Reed?
You remember Dr. Reed?
And the alien?
And the dog?
Well, I must have 20 messages saying that Dr. Reed was shot and is recovering.
It was unsure at first.
And apparently he was shot.
These people are telling me in the late spring now.
If Robert Wraith and Dr. Reed would like to get hold of me, I don't have your number, you have mine.
And or provide me with a phone number, I would be glad to get hold of you and see if we can schedule you again if you have been shot.
This certainly deserves a follow-up story.
That was the alien in the freezer.
Hello, Doctor.
Right?
Hope it's not true, but after about 20 messages, why I guess I've got to ask.
Well, this is interesting.
Y2K.
Now, as you know, Y2K really hadn't been in the news.
Why is that?
Well, Art, because somebody doesn't want it there.
But it did break into the news today, and it looks like many U.S.
cities, they now say, including Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington, ...are leaving themselves scant time indeed to complete preps for what might occur in the year 2000.
Now, it's so serious that they're talking about... they say that these cities are not going to make it and that what they should be working on now are contingency plans.
Got kind of an ominous sound to it, doesn't it?
Contingency plans.
In other words, what do we do when all hell breaks loose, right?
So that's been in the news in the last couple of days.
Gary North will be on again shortly.
Gary and I communicated about a week ago, a couple of weeks ago now.
And he said about the middle of the month, and of course it certainly is the middle of the month right now.
So, Gary, fire me some email and let's get it on.
I'd really like to know what you think at this point.
There seems to be a lot of worry out there.
They just occasionally report on it, as if to remind you or something.
Well, all right.
In a moment... In a moment, we are going to do open lines for the balance of this hour, and then at the top of the hour... So, that's mostly what I think it has to do with, but who knows?
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Yes, sir.
This is Mike from Southern California.
Yes, Mike.
And I have a question about one of your sponsors.
Okay.
Do you still have Arthritis Assist as one of your sponsors?
We have the company that sold Arthritis Assist, which is the same company that sells the Prostate product and Kytoslim and HGH.
Oh, it's the same company, yes.
So if you take one of those numbers and you want to get arthritis assist, I believe you can do that.
Okay, great.
Even though it's not actively being advertised.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes, this is Art.
It is.
Yes, Art.
Actually, I had a couple beefs with your guest tonight.
Okay.
He's not here, but I'll try and be my guest.
I found his conversation quite intriguing, except where he started going off onto the biblical topics there.
Oh, but why?
I mean, when you think about it, the Bible Really does instruct through and through the dominance of man and the subservience of women, doesn't it?
Yes, but... Yes, but what?
He had a couple quotes on there.
The first one that caught my attention was about the Ten Commandments.
He took that out of context.
He did?
He called it, one of the commandments, he said, Not to make any art.
Well, that's not true.
It was Draven Images for the purpose of worship.
Well, the main purpose was he didn't want anybody to make any Draven Images for the purpose of worshiping.
Yes, I understand.
Other than him.
And there's also a text in the Bible, I believe it's Proverbs 31.3.
Okay, I'd rather you not quote directly.
Okay, but just in case any listeners wanted to look it up for themselves.
They certainly can do that.
It says... Sounds like the crypt is opening and closing behind you.
What is that?
Oh, that's just my door.
I'm trying to... I got the radio on in the next room.
Oh, I see.
But it says, give not thy strength unto women.
You know, his topic where... Well, I guess he's saying that you don't have to give anything to see they're taking it.
Well, you know, his idea that society is moving more towards the feminine side is... I really don't see that happening.
I sure do.
I see society moving to the passive side.
Well, that is the feminine side, sir.
No, I'm sorry.
I do see it.
I see it clearly.
Society is...
In the process of moving to the feminine, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
He doesn't view it as a bad thing, and I don't either.
I think he's absolutely right about that.
Now, with regard to the Ten Commandments, that's a whole different subject, and I frequently wondered if they were actually written out in order of importance.
As we would write lists.
But what makes us think that we would, that God or a Creator would issue a list in an order of importance, the same way we lay down a list when we do it, right?
I've always wondered about that.
What's for the Rockies?
You're on the air.
Yeah, hello?
Is this our bail?
Have I gotten through it last?
You have.
I'm going to set you straight tonight.
I'm going to tell you what, that the downfall of our nation began when women We're allowed to give them the right to vote, and that women are weak, and that they are made inferior to the man.
You don't, you don't, you know, wait a minute, wait a minute with the Lord, what the Lord said.
You don't think women ought to have a right to vote?
They should have no right to vote, because I'll tell you what, it was the woman that led us to the tree and said, here's the apple of my master, Satan!
Satan is the master of the woman, because the woman was made weak, and the woman was made by God weaker than the man.
And the woman's will is weak, and the woman should get behind the man, and do as the man says.
This is all because women have been given the voice and authority of the man.
It's causing confusion in our society, and it's the downfall of everything we've held sacred for so many centuries.
You really believe that?
I believe this in the fullness of my heart.
And it's like every time I try to call you, that woman gets on the line and says, you're not taking calls from me tonight, since your party's not answering.
And I know that you're there.
Well, I am here.
That's true.
Of course I'm here.
You're putting her against me to keep me from getting on the air, Mr. Bell.
And I know that the woman who was cursed by God to be... Now, you listen to me.
Number one, you're supposed to turn off your radio.
Number two... Well, let me go do that right now, then.
I'm not going to allow you to have any excuse to get rid of me.
Go turn your radio off, dammit.
I'll wait.
What?
Hello?
Yes.
Now, it's not the woman that's doing it.
It's me.
I'm doing it.
And you know it.
You remember me, don't you?
Silence, devil!
Let me make my point.
You have cut me off the air.
You want to allow me to make my calls.
You want to allow my righteous viewpoint to come forth.
And the new commandments have stated that woman must get back to her place.
She belongs in the kitchen.
She doesn't belong... Pregnant.
What's that?
Pregnant.
The woman... Barefoot.
...should keep her mouth quiet.
Barefoot, right?
And barefoot, right?
Listen, the woman, the woman is evil, evil is weak!
It's all her fault that God is mad at us!
She needs to follow the divine plan, which is to stay behind the man, or walk behind him, and keep her head down and her mouth shut, and things will go much better!
Good Lord, man!
And your programs are out... you are out of control with all this nonsense about UFOs
and the fact that you're...
I am out of control, it's true, it's absolutely true.
...trying to interpret the Bible and tell us what the Bible should be.
The Bible states explicitly that women must do as the man says.
Obey thy man! That is one of the new commandments of the new revelation.
What about the wheel within the wheel in the Bible?
What about the signs from the skies?
The devil... that's the devil's deception.
Within the truth that the devil puts out.
The devil will try to take truth with the wheel within the wheel which is satanic and...
What?
...and... and misinformation!
The wheel is satanic?
Yes!
The wheel is satanic because it is a circle of nothingness leading to nothing, and that is the devil leading to nothing.
So we must reject the circular.
We must stay with our linear and masculine dominance of culture and return to the way it was, when women knew their place and everyone knew their place.
This is what's wrong with America, when people are going crazy because no one knows what their proper place is anymore.
And what kind of a country do you think we'd have if all the women were back home again?
I think, well, kitchens will be a lot cleaner, I'll tell you that much.
I hadn't thought about that.
You don't really think that I'm the devil's toe jam, do you?
Not really.
You are the devil's mouthpiece and I've said it once and I'll say it again for everyone to hear that you are working for Satan.
You are doing his bidding and you are working overtime to bring down America.
I know, because you've been cavorting with the Soviet Union to take away our freedom.
Wait a minute, the Soviet Union is no more.
There is no more Soviet Union.
There is no more Soviet Union.
You should be more like Reid Irvine and Cliff Kincaid of Media Monitor.
Now they should have a show.
I don't know why your show is so many hours a night and they only get two minutes when they come on during a break, but you need to be more like them.
The Russians are out there.
Invading Kosovo, trying to blind our pilots with laser beams, and using radio frequencies that you gave them against us!
That I gave them?
Do you know that it must be a good year since you were on the air?
I did not.
JC, to show you how full of it you are, I'm going to keep you on through the break, alright?
Through what break?
My God, man, do you know that it must be a good year since you were on the air?
Oh, what? That's because you will keep me from the airwaves.
I did not.
You are conspiring to keep me off the air, but the Lord broke through tonight and said,
J.C. must get on to right this wrong which has been perpetrated against him.
J.C., to show you how full of it you are, I'm going to keep you on through the break, alright?
Through what break?
Through the break that's coming up right now.
Alright, you can keep me on.
See?
Don't you want to thank me for that?
I don't thank the devil for anything.
Sorority puts it.
All right, let me see you hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
Now since you called in the city, I've been waiting for you, man, every night and day.
And I never lost a minute of sleep.
We're all good.
The Devil Went Down To Georgia.
He was looking for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind because he was way behind.
He was with her to make a deal.
When he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
And the devil jumped up on a Hickory Thompson.
Boy, let me tell you what.
I didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
I bet a fiddle of gold against your soul, because I think I'm better than you.
Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye on the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
at 1-775-727-1295. That's 1-775-727-1295. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on
the Premier Radio Network.
It has easily been a year since we've heard from J.C.
And so, I'm gonna let you ask questions if you want to.
J.C., our special guest, this half hour, if he'll stick around.
Because he complains he doesn't ever get the airtime.
Well, tonight J.C.
is gonna get the airtime.
If you have questions for JC, come now.
Ever want to see in the dark?
But...
Jaycee is a very special person.
We haven't heard from him in... Oh, it's been at least a year, maybe more.
Here's Jaycee if he waited.
If I'm still here, I am not going to give up.
Alright.
Jaycee, I want you to do something for me.
Look down at your hand right now.
What about my hand?
Can you see your hand?
Yes, I see my hand.
Can you see your knuckles?
My knuckles are... Yes, I see them.
Are they bleeding?
What do you mean, are they bleeding?
They have in the past because I've had to smash my phone and my radio because of what you said.
You owe me money for this too, by the way.
Yeah, I bet I do.
Send me a bill.
And I want to get one of those night visions because you've been stalking me and creeping around in my bushes.
Stalking you?
Yes, harassing me, calling my phone.
That's an outright lie.
You know, I remember you said you thought I was calling you, didn't you?
Someone's been calling me.
Well, it hasn't been me.
And I don't know, frankly, who would voluntarily call you at all.
Lots of people, because they're looking for guidance.
What kind of guidance?
And I want to say how glad I am to finally hear that the CIA is taking care of that, Tommy.
Well, you know, the way you characterize it, JC, don't you think that's a little extreme?
Don't you think that there's a place in America for all kinds of views and radical views?
No, America we don't.
You really don't?
coming out of that filthy, filthy, filthy Berkeley.
You know, the way you characterize it, JC, don't you think that's a little extreme?
Don't you think that there's a place in America for all kinds of views, radical views?
No, America we don't.
You really don't.
You are the most narrow-miopic-minded, you know, I have to even say human being.
I was being nice to them.
I was putting it in nice terms.
You don't want to know how I real feel about them.
Oh my God, no I don't.
Not on this program.
Let me tell you something, J.C.
You are exactly the kind of person who would be taken down first, along with the radio station you referred to, and extreme views of all kinds.
They'd take you out and they'd burn you at the stake, J.C.
Oh, stake burning.
Stake burning, yeah.
No, listen to me.
America was founded by people like me.
Was it now?
Yes, it was.
Conservative Christians who wanted freedom.
The freedom of religion means the freedom of Christianity.
Freedom for the right kind of people who had exactly the same kind of views that they had, right?
But not freedom for anybody else, right?
For me.
And people like me.
Look, Jaycee, to prove how full of it you are, I'm going to let my audience ask you some questions, as I did once before.
Do you think they could form a sentence that's coherent?
I don't know.
We're going to find out.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with JC.
Hi Art, this is Mark from Spokane, Washington, listening to you on Supertalk 1510 KGA Country.
Yes.
I have kind of a comment about JC's view into women.
Yes.
First of all, the book which she claims to have read, I'll paraphrase, it says for us men to love our significant other and I won't quote it
because I know you don't like that on the air but uh but it does say that and uh in my opinion um you know uh
JC you I gotta I I am a Christian and uh you know uh yes it it does say that uh you know we
should uh you know um in other words not treat them like an inferior species
Well, listen, listen, listen.
Have you ever heard of tough love?
And the thing about it is that by loving them, by taking command of their will, we are loving them because they are incapable.
It is love that we have.
They are incapable of making decisions.
Listen, that's not the process of man to cook!
and just because they are created as less than man.
They are support staff for the man.
God had a plan when he created woman.
He said, Adam's down there and he's not a very good cook and he doesn't know, he's not clean up and he's smelly.
He's scaring away all the animals.
Adam's not a good cook?
What?
Adam's not a good cook?
Listen, that's not the process of man to cook.
He has to hunt the beast.
And if he smells bad hunting the beast with the dirty wine cloth or whatever,
then he can't get his job done anymore.
And so the Lord said, I love him.
We can't have two bosses, so let's create one to support Adam.
But her will is going to be weaker, because she is only a part of him.
You see?
And so it is our love, through our love, that we take command of the inferior will of a woman, which was led astray by Satan, because her will was so weak, Satan was able to fool her.
But that's not true.
That is not true.
It is!
It's her fault!
Listen, are you calling God a liar?
How dare you?
No, not by any means.
How dare you call God a liar?
It's in the book!
You ought to read the book!
I do.
No, you don't!
You're lying!
Yes, I do.
You're calling God a liar!
Listen to me.
You know what I'm trying to say to you is that you're preaching condemnation when the... I don't believe in condom use either!
Condemnation!
Condemnation!
That's the worst thing that's ever come!
That's giving the okay to fornicate at will!
You misheard me.
I said you're preaching condemnation.
I mean, meaning hate.
You know, and... You're preaching hate.
He said you're preaching hate.
I have love.
I am not preaching hate to anyone.
Tough love is not hate.
And the right thing is not hate.
Listen, we have to do the right thing.
And the Lord wants us... Which means preach love.
He'll talk to the Lord directly.
No, you don't.
I have a hotline right to the Lord.
And he says to me, he says, stay seated.
The world is going astray.
J.C., you need to take tough love to America.
You need to remind America of the heritage.
And he said to me, he said, you've got to get through tonight.
He said, you dial to your fingers, please.
And I did.
And I dialed, and I got through.
I knew there were bleeds.
I knew it.
I knew there was blood on his fingers.
All right, caller.
Thank you.
You're very open-minded.
We like that on your show.
So you have a good night, then.
And God bless.
Yeah, I got a question for him.
in my... Yes, please do. Thank you. Thank you very much.
You have a lot of ballet.
Alright, wild card line, you're on the air with J.C.
Yeah, I got a question for him. Alright, turn your radio off. That's important.
Alright, hold on. Right away. Everybody else do that when they get on the air, so have it nearby so you can hear it.
Okay. Alright, J.C.'s here. Go.
Okay, J.C., if God... if women feel inferior, this is the first question,
why would God... Okay, go ahead.
bring His Son through a woman? The next... No, no, no.
Wait till he's finished with the question, Jason.
The next question is, in the lineage of Jesus Christ himself on the women's side, the women,
like the walls with Jericho, that's in Jesus Christ's lineage.
That woman there, and she was like ill-repute, but you're judging women when God has put
them on a pedestal.
He doesn't run them down.
No, he picked the woman.
Why didn't he pick a man?
He's powerful enough.
He could have made a man give birth to the Savior.
No, he picked a woman.
Well, look, it'd be a mighty hard for a man to give birth.
Well, then why didn't he just materialize?
The caller has a point.
The caller said, look, the Lord had a choice.
He could have fixed it up so men were able to bear children.
He didn't.
He picked a woman to have the Savior.
Listen, listen, listen.
Without women on this world, we are barbaric.
I hate to say it, Anglo-Saxons are mean.
Oh, yeah, you're white bashing, huh?
No, I'm not.
I'm just telling you how we've done through history.
If you don't like history and you're stuck, then that's your problem.
You're the one preaching hate.
You're the one that wants to destroy what God has created.
God created marriage.
Yes, he did.
And if you can read the New Testament, it talks about being equal, sharing burden together.
Man, you've just lost it.
You're blinded by your own righteousness.
You're a self-righteous person.
And you're the worst kind.
You're the ones that hurt true Christianity, JC.
You're one of the reasons why this world is getting the way it is.
You know what, J.C., a lot of people have said that, not just that man, that you are destroying Christianity.
Truth hurts.
Truth hurts, and these people who have been led astray, these are people who probably, you know, they read the horoscope in the morning in the paper and go, oh, well, you know, maybe I better not go to church today because the horoscope says not to.
These are people who have taken so much of the worldliness and they mistake the real thing As being, hey, so, so, you know.
Alright, so, so really, did you hear my guest, JC?
Who?
The one you had on tonight?
Dr. Schleen, yeah!
He was, yes I heard him, this is why I'm so angry, because who is he?
He, he, he acts like he's, you know, I am outraged at what he has done.
Even you, JC, you're becoming more feminine by the day.
I am not!
I am all man.
Sure you are.
God made me man.
Alright, well, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with JC, hello.
Yeah, JC still there?
Yep.
Yeah, I'd just like to tell him that I'm a professed Christian and it seems like to me that he's the kind of person that professes to be a Christian that gives all of us other Christians the bad names.
See, I told you JC, a lot of people say that.
Well, you all sound like a broker-maker.
They say the same thing about Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan.
No, no.
They don't get on the radio and sit there and hoot and holler like a wild man.
Because you're not familiar with revival preaching and preaching fire.
You're not familiar with it.
If you're afraid to turn off your radio, if you can't take the heat, then don't send because you're going to go to hell.
Honey draws more flies.
Don't call me honey.
I ain't your honey.
I dare you.
I knew that there was something wrong with you.
JC, do you really believe that people will burn into hellfire and brimstone and all that?
You believe all that?
I'll tell you, there's a very special place for your listeners, Art, and it's vats and huge pits of boiling sewage where their skin will be taken off and they'll be dipped in salt and thrown into the boiling sewage vats.
Yes, and fire and gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and all horrible manner of things.
Yes, I believe in hell.
A true Christian would be preaching Love and forgiveness.
I like the fire better than I did the boiling pits of sewage.
God!
Uh, wild card line?
Alright, wild card line, you're on the air with J.C.
now.
J.C., have you ever got back to the book of Isaiah and I paraphrase when it says in these days that the women will rule over the men?
That's the final days of Armageddon and the days when things will be backwards and everything will be wrong.
Women are not to be the rulers.
See, women, like I'm trying to say... So you're not really into goddesses, are you?
No!
God is a man.
God is not a mother.
J.C., how about religious freedom?
Didn't you know that... Freedom for Christians!
Hold it for a second.
Hold it for a second.
I think you'll find the Muslim world... Have you ever seen that film, Not Without My Daughter?
I have not seen that film because I refuse to watch anything dealing with Muslimism.
I think you'll find that the very basis of that film is... Muslims are a bunch of religious nuts and I don't like them.
You don't believe in freedom of religion for anybody but yourself, is that correct?
Listen to me.
I'm trying to help you.
I'm trying to help you and you're just trying to double talk me and call me a Muslim.
I am not a Muslim.
I think you're being very facetious, alright?
But at the same time, if you believe in religious freedom, I mean, you can look at the other half of the world, be they Hindu or Muslim or Shinto or whatever.
They believe what you believe, Eric.
You're not allowed to say that on the air.
He doesn't believe in religious freedom.
That's obvious.
I do believe in religious freedom.
Yeah, freedom to... Well, it's a religion.
There's only one.
Yeah, what you mean is freedom to believe as you believe only.
Right?
He certainly doesn't believe in extending religious freedom to anybody else.
That's right.
This country was founded on the fact that our founding fathers were trying to get away from all the pagans, and the Muslims, and the crazies in Europe, and they said, freedom of religion, freedom for Christianity, to reign supreme!
Well, sir, you know... You don't know history very well!
Well, I think this, that I do agree with you, which might surprise you, on the premise that, based on roles that God has given women, Motherhood and in the scriptures it teaches that the women are to follow the men as the men follow Christ.
Listen, y'all be cursing them with the curse of blood.
What they did to Adam.
Do you see what he did?
Steve was weak!
Do you give up, Colin?
Steve was weak!
Oh no, not at all.
And it's her weakness that got us in trouble!
She said, come on over here, bite the apple, and we're winning.
And you know, I want to say another thing, that the rise of femininity has given... And Jerry Falwell pointed out that this Lilith Fair is going across the countryside with a bunch of rampaging lesbians trying to control young women.
Lesbians!
They're out of control!
You know, if you wouldn't talk so fast, you know, my mind doesn't work quite as fast as you talk.
All I do is catch your word now, and then it's a little humorous.
Well, in any case, I'd say that art should... Did you know on this, you accuse an artist saying...
Alright, hold it right there.
We're not going anywhere else with that one.
I'm very concerned about the rate of retention of strategic weapons.
All right, hold it right there.
We're not going anywhere else with that one.
Yale, the Soviet Union.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with JC.
Hi, Art. This is Apollo from Hawaii.
Hi Paula!
How are you?
Finally the feminine point of view.
Yeah, remember you call me Kelly Bundy once?
Oh my God, you have just mentioned one of the most evil programs ever.
That's one of the funniest programs ever put on television.
...are the most demeaning program that was ever on television.
JC, JC, JC, dammit.
Let her say something.
She's calling all the way from Hawaii.
Let her say something, JC.
Yeah, I'll send my phone bill to him if he doesn't mind.
Yeah, there you go.
Anyway, I'm wondering if your guest tonight is going to discuss the rituals that the Illuminati are going to be performing in the Great Pyramid later this month.
Highly doubtful.
Hmm.
Okay.
You're a theoretical physicist.
Now, do you have any questions for Jaycee?
Um, just let him know.
It takes one to know one.
Listen, I have a question for you, woman.
Hey, I have a question for you.
Okay, aloha, all right, love ya.
Bye.
Are you serving your man properly?
Wait a minute.
Oh, she's gone.
Too bad.
She couldn't take the heat.
She couldn't take my righteous morality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wild card line, you're on the air with the righteous moral Jaycee.
I've only got one quick little comment, and that's for J.C.
Actually, it's for you, for your pleasure.
You've been drinking?
Remember Liberal Charlie?
He's on a cellular phone, J.C.
Give him a break.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Do you remember Liberal Charlie?
Yes.
Yeah.
Kind of wonder if maybe J.C.
isn't maybe his third cousin or something?
No, that one, even I couldn't swallow.
Charlie Liberal.
I know, it's from years ago.
No.
Anyway, have a good night.
No, they had a similar wine, that's about all.
I remember him.
He was the voice of Soviets.
You were in collusion with them.
I was in collusion.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air with J.C.
Hey Art.
Hey.
How are you?
What's on your mind?
You said you're guiding people, right?
I'm what?
You're guiding people, J.C.
Yes, like a beacon of hope.
Are you guiding them to the loony bin?
To the what?
To the Looney Bins.
The Nuthouse.
What about the Nuthouse?
Because that sounds like where you're calling from.
You're just calling to insult me!
Now you see how people perceive you, Jason?
I've never heard an opinion like this.
He has to insult me and attack my business.
You told Art he was in your bushes.
That's ridiculous!
Someone's been stalking me!
Art, God bless you for letting this man talk.
It's been the funniest show I've ever heard.
I swear to God.
You won't be laughing when you are thrown into the boiling pit of sewage.
That's wonderful, J.C.
Here's a place with your name on it.
You better get a lot of sunscreen now, buddy, because you're going to burn in hell.
Have him on for a full night, man.
Yeah, one of these nights.
We'll do that.
I don't know if anybody could handle it, J.C.
You think you could do a whole night sometime, J.C.? ?
I have the righteous constitution of the Lord, and a full night would be no problem at all.
I have such religious might, and my word is so vital to America that I would do a full night, and I could still go and go.
I could have my own show!
I should do my own show!
I don't know if I'd go that far.
But having you on for a full night, or at least a part of a night, as much as anybody could stand, that might be fun.
I don't have to take this insult.
That's it, yawn up.
Well, tomorrow night, Dr. Michio Kaku will be here.
One of our nation's greatest physicists.
Theoretical physicists.
In the meantime, after this, what do I say?
There is nothing.
There are no words.
except goodnight.
Doug Misler, he received a congressional appointment to the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Maryland.
Bye.
Graduated with honors.
Received his commission in the U.S.
Air Force.
By the time he completed his military obligations, he had become branch chief of the Air Force's Department of Guided Missiles.
Oh.
His civilian career began as a systems engineer at TRW, followed by a senior analyst position in a think tank research center for both the intelligence community and the Department of Defense.
Meanwhile, he completed a master's degree in engineering at UCLA with additional postgraduate studies, including applied mathematics, advanced statistics, and informational sciences.
Then was recruited by the Ford Motor Company into a senior management position ...left Ford to start his own company, served as a consultant to the board of Rockwell International for... ...has participated in over 100 new business... ...as a principal, strategic advisor, or turnaround specialist.
During the past 30 years, he served on the board of directors of over a dozen public companies, was chairman and chief executive officer of six of them.
And here once again are my guests Chuck Missler and Mark...
Chuck, welcome to the program, I hope.
Oh, indeed, and I appreciate the opportunity, Art.
It was a bit of a fight.
The hotel phone didn't work, so now we have you, I think, sitting at a phone booth someplace with a table?
Yes, there's a... And a chair?
Yes, there's a little lobby area, and I don't think it's trafficked much, and I got a chair and a table, and glad to spend the time with you.
Excellent.
All right.
We, in the first half hour, while you were probably madly dashing around, have been talking about Genetics, Adam and Eve, evolution versus creation, and all that sort of thing.
And the good doctor has been laying out why he believes that we are created, we are not something that evolved from a strike of lightning into a soup of something or another.
And then we crawled forth and finally became what we are today.
Well, I'm glad that that sounds like constructive conversation.
And Mark is a good friend, and we've collaborated on a number of works, and he's a very competent guy.
Alright, well, you know, the question that we began with was, are UFOs real?
Well, you know, that's a very fundamental issue, and we feel we've researched that very thoroughly, and it's probably the most difficult research area we've ever undertaken because of all the screwball stuff that's out there.
There's so many hoaxes, so much nonsense, and I've also been shocked to discover very well-funded disinformation in that area.
But when you strip all that away, you're left with a residue.
That is really pretty undeniable.
Okay, going back just a little bit, you guys absolutely concede, the both of you, that there are people paid to disinform.
Absolutely.
Absolutely, yes.
I have, I gotta speak carefully here, because I am not on any active clearances at the moment, but I have held them in the past, and because of my background, I work hard to honor those.
I have friends in the classified community that have helped me.
So you're telling me you have Personal knowledge, first-hand knowledge, that what I just said is true, but you can't talk about the details.
There are friends of mine that are still within the deeply classified community, and we can talk a little bit about that, but the point is, clearly, and it's a mystery to many of them exactly what's going on, but clearly, there are, there's at more than one group Within the government labyrinth that seem to spend significant budgets on disinformation.
Alright, here's the reason that I ask.
As you know, my program is by far the largest of its type.
Absolutely.
And I encounter from time to time people that I would swear up and down are paid disinformants.
That's surprising.
And so I would imagine if what you say you know to be true is true, That this program would be the target of... absolutely would be the target of disinformation.
Yeah, absolutely.
I would subscribe to that 100% part because I can't speculate on what their agenda is.
That's a complicated question.
However, there's just no question about it.
I think anyone that's followed this area carefully over the years will generally subscribe to the fact that there is a lot of disinformation and some of it is not trivial pranks. Some of it is, in fact, I'll give
one example I think is very conspicuous to your listeners and that is the strange autopsy video
that floats around. That's a good example because if one studies it carefully there
seems to be pretty good evidence that it's a hoax. On the other hand, that's not the kind of thing
that a couple of guys cooked up over a weekend.
You're darn right.
When you study that thing, you begin to realize, if you have any background in production, that thing had quite a budget.
Someone went through an awful lot of trouble.
What's a mystery about it is they didn't go through quite enough trouble to make it thoroughly convincing.
There are a couple of tip-offs in the thing.
The fact that you've got a guy behind the glass wearing a surgical mask is an example of that.
The point is, I happened to, I was inquiring I gotta be careful how I say this.
I had some friends that are in the deeply classified community, and that's one of the questions I brought up.
It says, you know, the autopsy video is obviously something that required a significant budget.
A budget that's probably larger than they recovered by promoting the video.
And the inadvertent disclosure was, there's plenty of money in the black community.
Now, in the vocabulary we're talking about, black is not a racist thing.
It's a term used of what's called... Black ops.
Yeah, a compartmented program.
Sure.
And maybe it's appropriate to just give a brief tutorial here.
There are obviously contracts that are classified, secret, top secret, or whatever.
If you really want to secure a contract, the next level is what they call compartmentization.
What they do is they classify the existence of the contract.
And since that is typically a intelligence ops, not necessarily, but usually, they call it, the cliche is, it's a program with black, it's a black ops.
I was shocked to discover, Art, that there is a third level.
I was chairman of the board of a publicly traded defense contractor, and I was called into a meeting in which I discovered that there is a level of classification that in my several decades of defense activities, I never even knew about, and that's where the existence of your customer is classified.
Of what?
The existence of the customer is classified.
And we were in a meeting.
I was a controlling shareholder.
I was called in, and we asked to have our banker represented.
First Interstate Bank was called in.
And the people that came in passed out their business cards, but quickly pointed out that the titles and names are covers, and we knew that.
And they pointed out that we were eligible for a contract.
I won't go through the whole thing, I don't want to bore you with it.
The point is, it turned out we did succeed in getting the contract, and it was the B-2 before it was handed over to Northrop.
And the little business card said High Technology Research Associates, but that was just a cover at the time.
I didn't realize there's a whole infrastructure, there are courts and other procedures to handle contractors' problems and things, in a community that is even deeper than the black community.
Alright, well, let's stick with black for a second.
I would like to understand a few things about black ops.
One, if, with regard to the UFO issue, there is disinformation being spread intentionally, and I think we all agree there is, what is the motive?
That is a subject of substantial speculation.
I'll tell you what makes it complicated to try to analyze.
It's because some of the disinformation is aimed at discrediting the whole UFO area.
But there's also projects sprung that seem to bolster the UFO area.
I'll give you one example.
I personally have the suspicion, let me say it very carefully, I personally have the suspicion that the sighting on March 13th of 1997 over Phoenix, Arizona.
Yes, sir.
I believe that that was a program, a military program, of projection holography.
The Department of Defense had a program called Non-Lethal Weapons that went black in 1994.
And I have no idea how they really execute this, but apparently they have the technology to create very large-scale illusions.
The Enigma is what you do with it.
You know, you can intimidate a battlefield, who knows?
It's my suspicion for some subtle reasons.
That what really went on in Phoenix was a demonstration or a trial or a test of that technology.
I suspect that what went over that segment of Arizona was not a UFO as we generally would tend to define it.
I think personally that was a military gambit of some kind as a test.
Okay, but let's reason this out a little bit.
The military, specifically the Air Force for example, Not long ago, had this big news conference with Colonel Haynes to debunk the whole Roswell business.
And, uh, case closed, Roswell case closed, they called it whatever it was.
Now, that would indicate that the government, as represented by the military, is trying to debunk the whole UFO thing.
So why, in God's name, would they do something to intentionally create the illusion I have no idea.
The thing that missed, that you're following the Roswell theme, you could make a log of the various cover stories that have been sprung from 1947 on, and what's really amiss about that is the cover stories are really fragile.
They're really absurd.
And this last one being no different, you would think See, the other part of the problem, Art, is that you and I have a tendency, we generally have a tendency to think of the government as some kind of entity, and the truth of the matter is, there are all kinds of subgroups, many of them at war with each other for various reasons.
Alright, the doctor would know about that.
The Drug Enforcement Agency, for example, monitors even common, everyday doctors and what they dispense, and if they dispense too much pain medicine, they get in trouble, right doctor?
Yes, very true.
And so, one of the things, I also suspect, something that is another controversy is this whole MJ-12 issue.
Yes.
And I've been through those documents, and I've also been through all the debunking of years ago, and one of the suspicions that I've returned to, and it's just a suspicion, I have to be candid, I don't have inside information on this one, but I suspect, for lots of reasons, that the MJ-12 kind of thing does indeed exist.
That there is some kind of a group that enjoys very deep cover.
Well, you know, Stan Friedman believes very much these are indeed authentic documents.
And I am very impressed with Stan and the approach that he took to his research.
And I think that also it's interesting that the Vatican In recent weeks, we have a spokesman by the name of Balducci.
That's right.
He's appeared on Italian television five times at least that we know about.
That's correct.
And asserting that they, the Vatican, and the Vatican have a research, I mean an intelligence network, probably second to none, that he argues that the UFOs are very real.
He made an interesting slip of the tongue.
Because in alluding to one of the scientists, he called him an MJ-12 scientist.
He did?
Yes, he did, and that startled me.
Oh my, I missed that.
And that caught my eye.
I contacted, fortunately I'm blessed with a good team of guys, and one of them is John Leffler, who's a good friend of Malachi Martin.
And he's sort of one of the experts of Vatican Watchers, if you will.
Well, I talked to Malachi the other day, and by the way, he confirmed everything you just said.
Not the MJ-12 business, but he said, look, the aliens are absolutely real.
Well, see, that's... We wanted to find out if this Balducci thing was real, or if it was one of these other, you know, these strange echoes you hear.
And apparently Balducci is legitimate, is real.
Oh, yes?
And it was Balducci's remark, he happened to allude, And I forgot the guy's name, though.
He's alluding to one of the experts or scientists.
But he called him an MJ-12 scientist, which I thought was interesting, because if nothing else, if nothing else... It couldn't have been a slip of the tongue.
It could have been, or... No, no, no, no.
It couldn't.
Come on, now.
MJ-12 scientist.
That is not... That's not Freud at work somewhere there.
The thing that hit me talking to Stan Friedman and being aware of his thoroughness and methodical approach to life, what intrigued me is this whole surfacing of documents from 20 years ago and their subsequent debunking is exactly the kind of art form that the intelligence community has developed to a high level of science.
The ability to surface a story and have it subsequently debunked.
Is the perfect way to cover an operation.
How do we, by the way, is there any advice you can give to the listening audience?
With respect to how to discern when you're hearing disinformation or a paid disinformation agent.
I ask that because everybody is accused of being one, including me, all the time.
I get so sick of it I finally tell people that's right.
I get my check every month.
For a second, let us be serious.
Is there a way to know?
I think the only way, it almost becomes an exercise in cryptography in the sense that you have to judge the source and you have to put it against a fabric of background.
Because good disinformation by its design and by the resources behind it should be not discernible and disinformation.
So part of what one is faced with is putting together a perspective of multiple sources against the fabric of a worldview or a background.
And that doesn't sound very pragmatic.
Well, I could give you a really good example of what I thought was disinformation.
You remember the whole Hale-Bopp thing with Courtney Brown?
Professor Brown?
Yes.
I am convinced to this day, of course Courtney Brown will not reveal where he got the photographs or anything else, But I am convinced that was disinformation.
Intentional disinformation.
And it may have been planted, Art, to hurt you.
It didn't work.
But it may have been planted to hurt me.
Now, we simply, of course, followed the trail of evidence back until we got stopped and Courtney Brown said, no, I won't tell you where I got it.
And that's where it ended.
But it smelled to high heaven of disinformation.
Well, that's one of the impressive things about Stanton Friedman's work is that he took the resumes of the so-called 12 prominent people and discovered by getting into their backgrounds and building their dossiers that one of them changed and really spent his career quietly debunking UFO stories.
Even asserting technical cover stories that he knew were not scientifically valid.
So that's one of the things you do get the impression that there has been even as early As the late 40s, early 50s, a very, very organized disinformation to discredit or confuse the whole UFO area.
The both of you sound like ufologists, and it seems to me that as Christians, you're slightly radical, aren't you?
Oh, I've got to tell you candidly, the book is very controversial.
Our book, Alien Encounters, is controversial not because of the UFO background.
We, especially Mark, has done such a thorough job at just trying to recap for the average listener the whole background, but candidly, that's pretty straightforward, solid stuff.
The thing that's made the book very, very bitterly controversial is not the UFO stuff, it's the Bible stuff.
Because in Chapter 10 we deal very aggressively, very assertively, with the whole issue of Genesis Chapter 6, and it turns out That even though we take the classic position and defend it I think thoroughly, pastors and many, many people within the Christian community are really upset with us because they can't handle the whole idea of angels coming down and all that business.
We present rather carefully and rather thoroughly.
The what's called what I call the angel view of Genesis 6 that there were somehow some pretty strange beings that
entered Mankind's history to create a set of hybrids that's in the
Bible and in fact You really won't understand most of the Old Testament
unless you recognize what's going on behind the scenes well We were talking again before you arrived Chuck with dr.
Eastman about him about Genetics and he said that our genetic code is in effect
deteriorating and that that would occur to any Race that even with error correction genetic code would
slowly sort of deteriorate and as we know From a lot of people who have claimed to have been abducted
the experimentation seems to be related to reproductive systems and to
Genetics and by the way aren't we cover that in detail in the book in in
In Chapter 5.
That's something we can get into tonight as we go on.
All right.
All right, gentlemen.
Very good.
Hold it right where you are.
We're going to break and you've got a good long, I don't know, 10 minute or so break here.
My guests are Chuck Missler and Dr. Mark Eastman.
And we're talking.
We're talking about the, really the unthinkable for Christians, many Christians anyway, and that is the presence of others.
Here once again is Lorena McKinnon.
If I'm lucky, and I managed to get across town in Vancouver fast enough, this next coming Sunday, I'm gonna be seeing her on stage.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Back now to my guests, Chuck Missler and Dr. Mark Eastman.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
Doctor, before we proceed, I have a question for you or somebody from Eugene, Oregon does.
Alex asks, first of all, The famous lightning bolt theory states that amino acids were created in the primordial soup, not DNA, which may have evolved to its current level of complexity over millions of years.
Dr. Eastman also implied that anything complex like the DNA molecule must have been created by an almighty intelligence.
If this is the case, then what exactly created the power and complexity of a god?
The lightning bolt, striking and puddle is one that I get quite frequently.
In 1953 Stanley Miller who was actually a chemistry professor at UCSD, he won the Nobel
Prize for an experiment where he passed methane, water, ammonia, gas in a chamber and he sparked
it to try to imitate the spark and soup experiment.
He produced two amino acids, glycine and alanine which are the simplest of amino acids.
The scientific community went crazy and they said, ah, you can't do that.
He's produced the building blocks of life by chance.
Therefore, can't the whole building be built by chance?
But when you look carefully at his experiments, you see there's a couple problems.
Number one, Stanley Miller did not use chance.
He used biochemical know-how.
The first time he did the experiment, he got no products relevant to life.
The second time, after using his knowledge of physical chemistry and biochemistry, he tweaked the experiments, optimized the conditions, which means he introduced know-how, information, thoughts, concepts, ideas,
and he was able to then produce the amino acids.
Secondly, so he didn't use chance, he used information, which is what the creation model says.
The creation model says that life is the product of information, know-how, thoughts...
Let me ask you, Doctor, was this primordial soup that he had concocted
very probably what could have been on Earth had there been nothing so long ago?
Based on the understanding in 1953 they believed that the ancient atmosphere was an oxygen lacking atmosphere and so he tried to imitate what was believed to be the what was called a reducing atmosphere.
Right.
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