Art Bell’s episode features Hilly Rose and Mark Bean dissecting fringe theories: Dan from Idaho Falls claims a U.S. defeat in a 1996 "Clinton-ordered" interplanetary war, with 355 UFO-like ships near Baker Lake, Canada, demanding constitutional surrender by September 8th to avert Earth’s sun’s alleged supernova on October 18th—requiring arsenic-based intervention. Bean debunks Dan’s assertions but details the classified Project Winterhaven (1950s), where T. Townsend Brown’s electrogravitic propulsion discs, powered by 50,000+ volts, reached 35 mph before NSA suppression. He links UFO shapes—discs with lavender plasma rims—to gravity-folding tech via the Casimir effect, citing antimatter or non-linear space-time travel as plausible energy sources for civilizations millions of years ahead, while FEMA’s Y2K "conversion period" (starting September 1st) hints at potential systemic collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, Dan, I wouldn't think of disputing you, but how do you know this?
unidentified
I represent the other side.
You see, President Clinton ordered a war against another planet, and our U.S. spacecraft were taken away from us and put at the location I just mentioned.
Constitutional surrender of the United States is demanded, and it shall occur in the next week or so.
I was talking to or communicating with the U.S. government about the supernova of our sun and telling them that the aliens were here to help us, and that may have started the war.
I see.
I'm not exactly sure, but that may be what started the war.
And that's why what we've been seeing for so long of surrounding the Earth and why, you know, there has been a tremendous number of sightings recently within the last couple of months.
And are you saying that that's what we've been seeing up in the sky?
Is this war going on?
unidentified
No.
You see, the U.S. has spacecraft, and so does the Galactic Federation.
What I'm trying to understand is where are the Galactic Federation ships, if these 355 United States spacecraft are sitting at Baker Lake, where's the Federation right now?
Well, I think you've gotten attention with an awful lot of people tonight, but I'm still trying to understand just a little bit about what's the end product here.
If we surrender to the Galactic Federation, what's going to happen to us?
unidentified
I will be the military receiver of the United States.
Darn, I didn't realize the ACLU was that powerful.
Okay, Dan, I really appreciate the call out there in Idaho Falls, and I hope you feel better, and I thank you very much.
Good night.
Well, you heard it right here first on Coast to Coast A.M. There are 355 United States space vehicles parked at Baker Lake in Canada.
Why the United States vehicles are parked in Canada, I'm not exactly sure.
But who am I to challenge this?
Check your weather satellite, friends, and you'll see these 355 spacecraft just sitting there and check your supply of arsenic and old lace and see whether you got enough to defend on October 18th.
Hey, anything is possible, especially in the Art Bell world.
Yeah, this is the first time listening to this station.
My friend told me that he heard on the station a couple of days ago about a ship, that they're making a ship that they're going to have the space to travel around the moon.
Well, I've addressed hundreds of local governments here in Michigan in regards to contingency plans for Y2K, and I felt it was necessary for people to understand some of the latest information that's coming out from FEMA and President's Council in regards to what they call the endgame strategy for Y2K.
One interesting thing is FEMA says that the federal response plan will be in operation during the conversion period, and the Department of Defense says this conversion period begins September 1st of this year.
Well, the conversion period is the time of quote-unquote danger, where there could be certain things that happen, whether it be run-on banks or other technological failures, such as the GPS that you were talking about, August 21st, the September 9th, 1999 problem, the 999 problem.
So it's going to be a hell of a fall and winter, right?
unidentified
That's what it starts to appear.
In fact, Britain, there was an article over in the Sunday Times in Britain on July 18th that talked about the 2,000 troops being pulled out of Kosovo to deal with people protecting government buildings.
I saw that, and I wonder, well, why are they pulling them out now?
It's a little early, isn't it?
unidentified
Well, it's for this quote-unquote conversion period that you said that you're confused about.
See, one thing that's happening is there is a lack of shortage of federal resources, state resources.
They're anticipating problems with stockpiling and things like this.
For example, you have the city of Lubbock, Texas stockpiling a million gallons of diesel fuel.
You have many different electric utilities around the country that are stockpiling months of coal for their coal-fired plants.
They're obviously concerned about potential bank runs.
But the reason I called is people need to understand that as you were reading some articles earlier in the program, we are not as near in the sunshine as many have tried to let us to believe.
Excepting I see here the FCC is warning its applicants and licensees the problem's real and pervasive.
So I think you're right.
We do have to wake up from two point standpoints.
One, that the services don't break down, and two, that it's really a great time for somebody who's interested in a takeover of this government to do it.
unidentified
Well, you know what's interesting?
Let me add this to what you just said.
The U.S. Naval War College issued a report at the beginning of June in 1999.
And on page eight, they stated they showed like seven or eight different phases of Y2K.
For example, they had the unfolding phase, the onset.
They had the mania phase.
They had The peak phase and the exit phase.
Well, guess what they had under this exit phase was legal deconstruction and new rulers.
Let me just give you the house cleaning done here.
Folks, we just get so many emails saying what's the address to this?
Who is the guest, et cetera, et cetera.
If you will please just go to www.hillyrose.com.
All of that information is there.
It is Art Bell.
It'll switch you at Art Bell's website.
And the place to reach me by email is Hilly at HillyRose.com.
My fax number, 831-685.
Flag, 831-685-3524.
What else?
I think that's enough for now.
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And you can hear that caller who called in about the 355 UFOs that are parked there because we lost a war.
So don't worry about a thing.
In just a moment, the mad scientist, Mark Bean, and listen, some of the stuff he talks about is just as fanciful as that caller.
And I want to tell you, you're going to have your mouth open, but what he's talking about is real.
And that's what makes it so absolutely astounding and absorbing.
We will continue here about this in just a second.
But he has looked at them and said, what makes them go?
You know, we have the standard scientist that says, no way could we reach certain planets way out there because, you know, we'd run out of fuel, we'd do this, we'd do that.
Even the satellite that we're going to plunge into the moon in a couple of hours is run out of fuel.
It's spent.
And so Mark is looking at it and saying, maybe that ain't the way to go.
Maybe we should be looking at how did the UFOs get here?
In other words, it reminds me of that great architect who said, don't let's talk about the design of a building.
Let's decide or in how many rooms it's going to have.
Let's decide how you want to use the building.
And so he looked at it from a totally different way.
And that's what Mark does.
He doesn't just say, well, how do I get from here to there?
He said, well, how do those guys, how do those UFOs get from there to here?
If we could figure that out, then maybe we could do better than the 355 spaceships that are at Baker Lake.
The Galactic Federation fought a war with the United States, and that President Clinton's been given a certain amount of time to surrender, and he just, by golly, won't do it.
And so they've grounded all of the UFO fleet of the United States of America, which amounts to 355 ships, and parked them up in Canada for some reason.
So you're not aware of any United States fleet, are you?
Well, you see, that's the way it is in this world.
Well, now you know.
We keep you informed right here on the Hilly Rose Show.
Mark, maybe we should start with...
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Maybe you ought to tell us what that is before we start looking at the shapes of UFOs and what you've been doing in that field.
unidentified
Okay.
Basically, electrogravitics, in simple terms, means that when you apply certain kinds of energy to certain kinds of metal of specific shape and design, it causes them to move in a specific direction.
And I came to some conclusions, and through experimentation, I saw that when you have two polarities being negative and positive, the negative is always attracted to the positive.
And a cumulus cloud, for example, is negatively charged.
When it builds up to its potential, in other words, it fills up with so much electron charge that it breaks down.
It has a dielectric collapse.
And it erupts in a bolt of lightning.
And the lightning fingers out.
It branches out looking for an opposite charge.
So it goes in the direction of the Earth, which is the opposite charge.
And I found by having two pieces of metal and charging one up positive and one negative over 50,000 volts, which the average person doesn't have access to, you'll see that it will make the negatively charged terminal move in the direction of the positive terminal.
And that's how it all unfolded.
And then later on, I found out that there was a scientist in the 50s named Thomas Townsend Brown, T. Townsend Brown, who coined the phrase electrogravitics.
And he found, just like I did, that the disk is the best shape.
And that, again, when you charge the main body of the ship negatively and the leading edge of the ship positively, it'll move in the direction of that positive lead.
And in simple terms, it's kind of like the horse and the carrot.
And the driver has a pole with a carrot attached in front of the horse.
And that horse is going to keep chasing that carrot no matter where it's pointed.
And that causes a given force of motion in the given direction of the carrot.
And that's what's happening with the experiments that we made.
And like T. Townsend Brown did before it went classified in the 50s.
He did a demonstration for the United States Air Force in the 50s and it instantly went classified under Project Winterhaven.
And it was really never heard from in public circles ever since.
And fortunately enough, I have some very confidential connections with the Brown family and through another scientist, Andrew Bullen, who gave me insights and confirmed my suspicions based on my own experiments that this is very valid research and the effects are definitely a reality and not science fiction.
Okay, can you just tell me in 10 seconds what is Project Winterhaven?
It's a governmental project.
unidentified
Yeah, it was a project that, like I said earlier, that Thomas Townsend Brown did a demonstration, and he had two discs tethered to a central pole.
And when he sent a sufficient charge, I believe it was over 50,000 volts at that time, he got the discs to lift and move around on this tethered pole to about 35 miles an hour.
And it thoroughly impressed all the brass in the Air Force.
Okay, I just was confused because I thought that there was some kind of Project Winterhaven that the military had, and that they were somehow using, just absorb this information into that project.
But no, the project is what Brown did, and the military then immediately classified it.
unidentified
Yeah, they classified it and put it under Project Winterhaven, and the NSA deemed it national security, and Brown was never allowed to talk about it publicly from that point on.
I'm confused, Mark, because you're telling me the information is classified and has never come to light, but then we can go on the website and see it.
I'm confused.
unidentified
We have, we, being Andrew Bolin and myself, have compiled a massive amount of information through key sources in the Brown family that are no longer with us, and we've brought that information public.
Well, doesn't that put you in some kind of jeopardy?
unidentified
I imagine to some degree.
But I do believe that this technology belongs to the people and that Thomas Townsend Brown really deserves the credit that he deserves so much.
It's just he's like a Tesla.
Everything that he did was just incredible contributions, not only in propulsion systems, but in audio technology.
He was working on some energy cells.
And he made diaphragm-less speakers that used no coil.
It was electrostatic speakers, which, by the way, have some of the best acoustical definition of stereo that I've ever heard.
He was also the founder of NICAP.
Oh, really?
Yeah, and in one of the videos that you can see, that you can download, you'll see on the blackboard in the background, there'll be a cross-section of Georgia Damsky's saucer.
All right, Mark, I want to get into that much more deeply about these flying saucers and the shapes of these saucers and where the information comes from and how you feel about the propulsion systems.
Fascinating stuff.
And my friends, if Mark says they fly, they fly.
We will continue here talking about flying saucers and their systems.
After a brief pause, this is Coast to Coast A.M. I am Hilly Rose sitting in for Art Bell.
A guy by the name of Robert Bigelow was on Art Show Tuesday night.
He's going to be building this hotel that will go to the stars.
And all he's looking for is the propulsion system to do it.
Maybe you ought to get in contact with Robert Bigelow and the two of you get together.
You're in the same town, and he could use what you plan.
He's putting apparently a half a billion dollars into it, so that's a lot of bucks.
All right, let's go back to this whole issue of UFOs and their propulsion.
Now, you've seen dozens of photos all over the world, and what you claim is that they're really just some basic shapes, no matter where these UFOs are seen, whether they're seen in Australia or in Switzerland or in the United States or in Britain.
There are just a few basic shapes.
Is that correct?
unidentified
Yeah, and they're all weather balloons and swamp gas.
Well, I found that they're basically almost the same exact craft that had been photographed and videotaped from all over the world within the same time zones by people that don't even know each other.
And if that was a court case, it would have been settled a long time ago.
That right there is pretty much overwhelming evidence just in that one point.
But what I found was that not only are there the same exact style, but very similar styles that are just variants on the same theme.
And that being basically two parabolics, two like umbrellas that are meeting each other with a little dome on top and sometimes a little dipole or an antenna on the very top.
And they're all basically the same design.
There's usually two convex, like a disc, and then some kind of ring and then a dome believed to be a cockpit.
And like I said, a little dipole or a spike on top.
And I started looking at that and I figured that no matter who's inside or where they came from or what the craft's made of, it has to use a lot of energy to run this device.
And so I started, I went back to the basics.
I started investigating UFO reports and filtering out, you know, the people that are starving for attention or excitement to the real credible UFO reports, which is a hard thing to do in itself.
And then I started finding more common denominators like the shape.
And maybe we can have some listener participation in the next half hour.
And we can get things that people have heard or seen themselves about what the craft looked like, what the side effects are, did it photograph well, and if it didn't, why, different things like that, the symptoms of a sighting or even contact.
But basically, there's always similar symptoms, like people feel cold or they get a cold breeze coming from the saucer or there's signaling lights around the rim of the disc.
And all of these things, I have all of these symptoms in my experiments I have recreated in the discs.
And for example, the lights around the rim, that is actually an intense corona buildup.
Because of the rim itself, the actual shape is part of the propulsion.
The rim itself is where electrons concentrate.
And when electrons concentrate, it produces a lavender-like plasma.
And the byproduct of that is three things.
One, a natural refrigerant.
Two, it produces ozone.
And three, it produces nitrous oxide, which gives some people the feeling of euphoria.
They're actually catching a buzz from the saucer emissions.
Well, what do you suppose is giving them the energy?
unidentified
Well, I think that there's several ways.
And again, I want to stress the point that I'm not giving the definitive answer to propulsion of UFOs.
I just think this is one of many ways that a saucer could work.
Like Bob Ozar talked about element 115 with the total annihilation reaction.
And basically, that means that when matter and antimatter get together, it produces extreme release of energy, and that energy results in heat, and that heat is then converted into thermoelectric energy, and then they can use that energy to activate the electrogravitic drive, if you will.
Or, like Bob Lazar talked about, with the gravity amplifiers and actually folding space.
So you're actually traveling a very short distance physically, motion-wise, but you're making a big page fold, if you will, going from one part of the galaxy to the other.
If you take a page, a piece of paper, and you write A on one corner in the upper left and B on the other, and you fold the page so A and B meet, then you'll see what I'm talking about.
Basically, when you engage a gravity amplifier, it's folding space.
The page represents space between point A and point B being different planets, if you will, in the galaxy.
When you engage the gravity amplifier, it creates this dip that makes the A and B meet.
So you physically travel a very short distance, and then you disengage the drive, and all of a sudden you've folded space.
So if I can borrow from Star Trek, it's sort of like suddenly going to warp speed?
unidentified
Yeah, in a sense.
But you're bending space-time.
Conventional scientists say, like you mentioned earlier, that it's just there would be no reason for an intelligent species to travel hundreds of millions of light years to come visit us.
It's just not a practical thing.
But that's linear thinking.
And we've only been technically industrial for about 200 years, and that's a very small amount of time.
Think about intelligent species on other worlds that have been technical for millions of years, that have perfected all sorts of different ways that we can't even imagine yet.
And I'm sure that they wouldn't refer to linear travel in the conventional sense that our modern-day scientists do.
I'll give you a good example of the Casimir effect.
Basically, that has been proven here on Earth at Fermilabs, right outside of Chicago, and it's two high-voltage plates, and they're separated by what they call a dielectric.
That's the energy in between these two plates.
And at a remote location, there are two other identical plates with a dielectric in between.
When an intense electrical charge is sent to these plates, they shot a proton through one, it disintegrated, and instantly reintegrated at the remote location.