Art Bell welcomes Albert Taylor, a NASA engineer and Soul Traveler author, who explains how the U.S. abandoned moon/Mars missions post-Apollo 17 due to budget cuts and public disinterest, despite Russia’s Energia booster proving heavy-lifting potential. Taylor reveals OBEs—like his own night paralysis episodes—allow consciousness to transcend time, access past/future events, and even interact with "thought forms," though societal conditioning (religion, education) often suppresses these experiences. Callers share eerie accounts: Linda’s 1986 head injury linked to unexplained lactation and hybrid entities; a nun drawn to her deceased father’s astral realm; and Bob’s voices possibly tied to residual past-life consciousness. Taylor argues hell is self-imposed through belief, not external judgment, while Bell muses on OBEs as "immortality slices" and debates whether fear or misinterpretation fuels abduction claims. Ultimately, they stress mental training over conditioning unlocks spiritual growth beyond physical limits. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, as the case may be, in your time zone, wherever that may be.
Stretching from the Hawaiian and the East Island chain, southwest eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south all the way into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
It's coast to coast a.m. on my bell.
And I'd like to thank, as always, broadcast.com for the wonderful distribution across the worldwide web of this program.
Not only the audio, but if you go to my website and download the G2 program, it's free.
I do many things in life are free.
G2 is free.
It has this wonderful new codec in it, Development Intel Corporation, that allows you to come back to my website, click on streaming video after you've installed the G2 program, and see me actually doing the program.
I have quite a number of announcements for you that I need to get on in this first hour.
The first of which is, Father Malachi Martin, I'm sad to report to you that what had been a recovery in progress, and a pretty good one at that, was terribly complicated last Thursday when the father took a fall,
very serious fall, which resulted in some blood building in the brain.
He was readmitted to the hospital.
And they did very much like what they did for Daniel, and literally drilled holes and put in something to drain the excess blood and relieve the pressure from the brain.
Yesterday, the doctors removed the shunt, which had been inserted there to relieve the hemorrhaging.
He experienced seizures almost immediately.
And at 1.30 p.m. today, New York Time, Father Malachi Martin suffered a massive stroke and is near death.
He has received extreme unction, and your prayers are certainly requested.
Should Father Martin live until Friday, it will be his 78th birthday.
And as you know, Father Martin and I have been very good friends for a long time.
He regarded me well, I regarded him very well, regard him very well.
And I think that I would say your prayers are certainly in order.
But if Father Martin is to pass, then I would pray that it would be a peaceful transition for him.
He certainly did wonderful work in life.
And should he leave us, he will be missed, just missed terribly.
In a moment, I'm going to bring you a word from Jose Escamilia, who is going to be appearing in connection with the work he does on rods.
Remember rods?
Rods are these.
Well, what are they?
Life forms.
Ed Dame said life forms.
And indeed, they appear to be life forms.
We ran a video here one night that is still blowing minds out there.
And Jose has some updates, and he's going to be making a couple of appearances, so we'll find out about that.
There is an announcement coming tomorrow evening in the first hour from Steve Bassett.
And I think you know what Steve is doing.
He'll have an announcement with regard to the paradigm clock and something brand new that he's doing.
Steve feels that the disclosure process is best done from the political point of view.
In other words, that we can force disclosure from the political aspect or angle.
I respectfully disagree with him on that, but nevertheless think that it is along many other lines worth pursuing.
I just maybe at my age I've become a little cynical, and I just don't think that our government is going to tell us anything at all until they want to tell us something.
And we can submit FOIA requests until the cows come home.
We can petition senators and congressmen who may well not know themselves what's going on until the cows come home.
And I don't think there's going to be a political solution to this, but I know Steve does, and it is one avenue that cannot be ignored.
It's going to be a very, very interesting week.
Tonight, in the second hour, Albert Taylor is going to be here.
And he has written a book that just simply has taken off a Beyond All Belief course called Soul Traveler.
And it's about out-of-body travel.
And you know, you might note, as you anticipate the possibility of listening to this in the next hour, that some of the world's top physicists, Top scientists, like ones I had on last week, acknowledge the probability, not the possibility, but the probability that something continues after we die.
Al Taylor will tell you that soul travel or OBEs are, I think someone said, as dead as you want as you'll ever get, and that in lots of ways, it is a lower form of a place you go when you die.
And that consciousness continues.
It's a very, very interesting topic.
That'll be next hour.
You don't want to miss that, believe me.
Then, tomorrow night, Drew Ross is going to be here.
He is a forensic psychiatrist.
And his specialty would be killers.
Killers.
You know, Hannibal, movies like The Matrix, A Serial Killers, Son of Sam, on and on and on.
He's written a book called Looking into the Eyes of a Killer.
So Dr. Drew Ross will be our guest.
Forensic psychiatry is absolutely fascinating.
It's like, and I'm sure you've seen the movies, it's like when you get inside the mind of a killer.
Not that that's where you want to be, but if you want to catch somebody doing something like that, you've got to be there.
So it'll be tomorrow night.
The next night, the CEO, well, until recently, of U.S. Web, the extremely successful Joseph P. Firmage, is going to be here.
As a matter of fact, over the next two weeks, there are going to be, as a matter of fact, I talked to Joe just a little bit prior to airtime late today, and he's looking forward to coming on the air.
And he is certainly a heavyweight in terms of being able to move and shake things.
And he's got a very interesting announcement for you tomorrow, or for you the next night, Thursday night, actually, at 11 o'clock Pacific.
Second hour of the show.
Joseph P. Firmage, you're not going to want to miss that.
Then next week, I believe in the first radio interview ever done, another gigantic mover and shaker, perhaps the biggest of them all in this field, Robert Bigelow is going to be my guest.
And you've heard quite a bit of the work that Robert has done through some of the people who have done some of this very good work for him and have appeared on this program.
Well, he has a major announcement to make, one that I know what it is, and I, of course, am not going to tell you.
I'll wait for Bob to do that.
But it'll be, I believe, his first radio appearance ever, as far as I know, we'll find out.
But I believe that is the case.
And when you hear what he has to say, it's going to light some fires out there, believe me.
Now, just before Jose, I want to get a couple of things.
I've got to get a couple of things in here.
Of course, the nation is puzzled and shocked and hurt by the apparent death of John F. Kennedy Jr.
And we still, of course, don't have the bodies.
We have only pieces of the plane and some evidence that it crashed shortly before landing.
The Associated Press tonight is reporting in the final minutes of his flight, John F. Kennedy Jr. pulled up and banked his plane in what had been a normal approach to Martha's Vineyard.
Then as he turned to the right again, the plane dropped rapidly to the water.
I believe the current theory is it probably broke up.
It's like hitting a brick wall if it hits hard enough.
So they don't know why, of course, but there is speculation that young pilots, a common problem, can become spatially disoriented, and it may have been that.
We may know or we may never know.
They have located at least what they believe to be one undersea piece of wreckage or what may be wreckage we'll know, I guess, tomorrow, maybe.
The Federal Reserve has approved a plan to make special loans to banks, thrifts, and credit unions that might need emergency money, money, money, money, because of consumers' fears about Y2000.
And the date change.
You know, they're concerned, and rightfully so, about a run on the banks, people wanting money.
So they're going to make loans.
This is pretty interesting.
Archaeologists dug beneath a football stadium for a month and found the remains of 27 Confederate soldiers near Charleston, South Carolina, including four thought to be the first crew on the Hunley.
The Hunley, a submarine made of old locomotive boilers and operated by hand cranks, made history in February of 1864 when it sank the Union blockade ship Houstonic.
Its original crew of five was lost in 1863 when the sub sank at its moorings.
So, isn't that something?
All right, in a moment, Jose Escamilia is going to update us on what's going on with the rods phenomena.
It really is something.
and he'll be giving a talk where that's going to be and whether you can see it and all the rest of that coming up shortly Looking for the truth?
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What's going on around this planet right now are people who are just fed up.
They're fed up with dictatorships, and they've had enough.
Now, the big question is, can it happen here?
And I think absolutely.
One day, if we continue to have this spread of the haves and the have-nots, this continuing push for a new world order, it could happen.
Mark my word, it could happen here, too.
Let's hope not.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always speaks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
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Now we take you back to the night of July 20th, 1999 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Very quickly, let us go to Jose Escamilia, who has been working on the phenomena of rods since I've known him.
And we had, I think, one of the most amazing videotapes last time we were on here with Jose that I've ever seen in my whole life, which we ran on streaming video.
And there is no doubt about it.
There's something sharing our airspace.
There is something with us, around us, near us, interacting with us.
Listen, tomorrow night at the Pickwick Center at 1001 Riverside Drive in Burbank, I'm going to be presenting rods, a mysterious object, and showing some of the latest stuff we got.
I mean, I've got some footage from Fox TV that was shot at the cave this last April.
I mean, high-velocity rods like you've never seen.
I'm going to send a dug off to you tomorrow.
And I'm going to present it over there at the Pickwick Center this coming Wednesday tomorrow night.
And anyone that wants to go to it, the time's to do it now because I'm only going to show this in the next two events, tomorrow night and Saturday night, at one of the Art Bell Chat Club chapters out of Orange County.
And I think everybody wants to know what they are, Jose.
So I wish you all the luck in the world, my friend.
And when you are able to share the videos after the exclusivity, I hope you will send me a hobby that you would let me run as I did before on streaming video.
If you've never seen the Rods video, it really is.
It's just, it's one of those things that when you talk about it, you just talk about it on the radio, it's one dimension, but to see the videos in location after location after location,
diving into caves, avoiding people, doing all of these wild things, no matter how strict a scientific mind you have, you stop cold and you look and you say, oh my God, what is that?
That is something.
That is apparently some kind of life form that we are sharing the planet with.
Coming up, Albert Taylor, who has been a NASA aeronautical engineer with nearly two decades of experience working on satellite systems for the space program.
And he will, in fact, talk about the space program on this anniversary and the moon and why we haven't been back and a lot more.
He's the author of the best-selling book, Soul Traveler.
We'll talk about that, of course, as well.
And he's an active member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
I didn't know about that one, so obviously that's a road we're going to go down this night as well.
So all of that coming up to repeat a very sad announcement for you.
Father Malachi Martin is near death, folks.
He's in critical condition in the hospital in New York, and he had a fall.
After what looked like a good recovery, he had a fall that produced blood on the brain, and very much like Danion.
They put in a shunt, literally drilled and put in a shunt to remove the blood and remove the pressure.
And then they removed the shunt.
And at that time, he had seizures, extreme seizures of some sort.
And then following that, at about 1.30 this afternoon, New York Time, yet now yesterday, the father suffered a stroke, a very serious stroke.
He's received extreme action.
Your prayers are urgently requested.
Should Father Malachi Martin live to Friday, he will be 78.
I'll keep you informed.
We've got a lot of very good programs coming up for you if you have just joined us.
In addition to Albert Taylor coming up in a few moments, we have tomorrow night a forensic psychologist, the kind of guy who looks into the brain of the killer, the violent killer, the cannibal lectures, the son of Sams, those kinds of killers, the Littleton business, all of it, tomorrow night.
Which will be very, very interesting.
Also in the first hour, Stephen Bassett has a couple of surprises for you.
We'll do that in the first hour.
And then the following night, the next night, we are going to have on the former CEO of U.S. Web, Joseph B. Firmage, who also will have some pretty big surprises for you.
As a matter of fact, I heard from him just a few hours prior to airtime.
And it's a show you're not going to want to miss.
In the following week, we will have on another mover and shaker, Bob Bigelow, and I think Robert Bigelow of the Bigelow Foundation.
Both these men have done a lot of behind-the-scenes funding of very serious research.
Bob Bigelow has never, to my knowledge, done a radio interview.
This will be his first.
so a lot of things coming up more than i have time to tell you about right there the Looking for the truth?
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You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
What's going on around this planet right now are people who are just fed up.
They're fed up with dictatorships, and they've had enough.
Now, the big question is, can it happen here?
And I think absolutely.
One day, if we continue to have this spread of the haves and the have-nots, this continuing push for a new world order, it could happen.
Mark my word, it could happen here too.
Let's hope not.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always speaks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
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And now we take you back to the night of July 20, 1999 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Right after Apollo 11 landed, you know, we in America somehow lose interest in flights that aren't the first one.
And especially toward Apollo 17, a lot of people want, they had to even, they had to beg to get on the television stations just to get airplay because a lot of people weren't even interested anymore.
And it did the same thing with the shuttle until the Challenger accident.
Then everyone was watching that first flight.
And then here we are back again where a lot of people have no idea what's even going on with the shuttle missions.
And then the thing about it is back when we, I think it was during the Gemini program, it was proposed that we produce a reusable spacecraft where we could build a space station and use that space station to build another vehicle to ferry back and forth or shuttle back and forth to a possible lunar base that we would build.
And then that lunar base would be used to facilitate a halfway station back and forth to Mars.
What happened was, all of a sudden, we started having financial crunches.
People didn't understand what the space program was for, what we were getting out of it.
And It should have been really told to the public the benefits of the space station, things like velcro we wouldn't have and miniaturization of computer chips and things like that.
We would have none of those if it hadn't been for the space station.
Well, I would prefer to go back to original designs of the space station when it had full capability to do a lot of things.
It could even expand itself.
It had an onboard shed that a space vehicle would be built in.
It was the Cadillac of space stations.
Now it's a compact economic model, which really is a floating laboratory and that's going to replace the Mir space station, but it's not going to have any more capabilities.
I would like to see that because with that, that opens the door to our solar system.
We can do a lot more.
And personally, if we can't do that, then I think we're wasting our money.
I would also like to see more money put into the Delta Clipper or the vertical takeoff and return vehicle that a few aerospace companies were coming up with.
That would be good.
And we also need a heavy lifting vehicle because we don't have a vehicle that can put a lot of tonnage in orbit right now.
The Russians have the Energia booster, which is heavy lifting, but we don't have that at all.
So without the heavy lifting vehicle and these other things, we really pretty much are stuck to stay about 300 nautical miles above the Earth, and that's it.
Well, you know, like I said before, I think the people would rally behind the space station if we said this is what we're going to do around the space program.
This is where we're going.
We're going to build a lunar base because we want to get this.
This is the product.
And tell the people that.
Right now, the average citizen has hard times, is trying to feed their family, they're paying high taxes, and they have no idea why this money is being taken out of their paychecks.
Something similar to what's happening to our atmosphere.
The ozone is opening up.
We're losing, our atmosphere is turning to, at least some people are predicting, the greenhouse effect.
So we don't know if Mars was ever inhabited or if it happened naturally, but something happened to its atmosphere where it slowly started losing it and it became thin and then lost pressure, which is really essential.
Right now, if you went there, your blood would boil because the pressure is so thin.
So I don't know exactly what happened, but something did happen to change it, and we need to be very aware of that and even Study it, that would be another important reason to go there so that we don't allow that to happen to our own planet.
What we don't realize, Art, I believe, in a lot of cases, but a lot of people do, is that we are one link in the chain of how this whole system functions.
And if that link becomes weaker or more dominant than others or puts more stress on the other links, then the chain is going to break.
Well, we have certain parameters that we as humans can exist within.
Plants and some insects have parameters that are beyond what we can.
Like I was amazed that after a forest fire, there were still insects that would come out of the ground and survive the intense heat that we can't.
So if those parameters, meaning temperature and oxygen content and things like that, begin to shift, it becomes thinner, then of course a lot of people are, what's going to happen is it won't be catastrophic and happen overnight, but people will slowly start dying of certain illnesses, especially of cancer when the ozone layer begins to deplete and things like that, and the population will be reduced.
Now, whatever happened to the dinosaurs, that's kind of the same thing that happened to them.
Their population was gradually reduced until extinction.
Is this just the ebb and flow of this particular dirt ball floating in space where life forms come up, become very civilized and advanced, and then somehow either destroy themselves or destroy the planet till the planet no longer supports them, and then the planet goes back into a recovery mode?
If you look at how many species have been on this planet and that are now extinct, which like I think it's like 90%, then the probability is that it's exactly like that.
But the one thing we don't know about ancient civilizations as much as we'd like to, but the one thing we do know is we do have capability and technologies and free will that we don't have to let it go that way if we spend time to understand how it functions.
It's going to take planetary awareness and action, not just talk, action.
I mean, there's some things that I love that I have or that you may have or something like that that may be causing this damage, you know, over that we might not even be aware of.
Right, so we just have to give, we may have to give up some things that we've become very, very comfortable with.
This was a very short UPI article that ran and then did not run again.
A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night, just about the time of the crash, and saw a big white flash in the sky off Philbin Beach.
Well, hard to say whether there's any relationship or not, but that does appear to be some sort of eyewitness testimony.
Guess we'll know in the next couple of days if and when they make recovery of that airplane.
All right.
We're going to talk for a second about radio because that's my favorite subject of all the world, radio.
It's the best medium there is.
People, I've been, you know what?
I've been offered more Than 13 television shows in the last six months, and I've turned them all down.
Every single last one of them.
Big ones, some of them, really big, too.
And it's because I, bless your hearts out there, and I watch it, but I don't like being on TV.
I just don't like it.
I love radio.
I have a true, honest, abiding love for radio.
And I don't love TV.
No disrespect to any of you TV folks out there.
It's a very powerful medium.
There's no question about it, but it's not mine.
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and I don't wish it to be.
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And Albert, I'm going to say this politely, but a lot of people believe that the reasons that we have not gone back to the moon have little to do with public apathy and more to do with what was found or what may be there.
And so they think some of what you've said is a bunch of crap.
Well, one of those astronauts is Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14, right?
And I've interviewed Edgar a number of times.
And there was something really, really strange that manifested during those interviews.
And that was when Edgar was asked to comment about his emotions, feelings, and recollections when he was actually walking on the moon.
He became suddenly very vague and sort of launched into a, you know, Art, here's something I really haven't understood myself in all these years, that my recollections of it all are kind of surrealistic.
You know, I think, well, I'm only guessing because I think I met Edgar Mitchell one time when I was working on SDI, Strategic Defense Initiative.
He came through and was talking to a few people in a classified area that I was in.
Sure.
But the one thing that I've noticed is that there are a lot of astronauts who have had experiences or some kind of vision or sighting during a program that they're very, very reluctant to talk about.
It may be partially because if you don't understand it, you may sound kind of kooky.
He's rather circumspect and intriguing when he talks about he went to the White House one time and said something really interesting about wondrous things that we will be discovering, wondrous things that are out there.
And when he talked of it, he talked of it not as something that he's guessing might be if we explore, but something that he knows is out there.
Knows is out there.
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Or at least after how he presents it, how he presents himself.
I can't say for sure what happened and what Neil and Michael Collins and Buzz and everybody else actually know that they haven't shared with the public.
But I can tell you this.
I have had a secret clearance since I was 17 years old.
I'm 43 now.
I have worked on things that probably no one will even talk about.
And if they do, you won't see it for another 20 to 30 years.
I think that I track a lot of people doing a lot of work in this area.
Lawyers, lobbyists back in Washington who think the political venue is the way we're going to break this open.
I don't think I agree with that.
In other words, I don't think that political pressure, and I know Steve Bassett's sitting out there cringing, but I don't think political pressure is going to do a damn thing, and we're not going to know until we're meant to know.
I mean, so I think the only way that it's going to be revealed is from a meltdown, meaning a scandal, huge one, where the evidence cannot be hidden anymore, that kind of thing.
Because I believe, and this is why I think that, because having been in the military and worked on nothing but military programs, everything is under the label of national security.
NIDS, which is financed by Bob Bigelow, recently did a study and asked a high-end percentage of the public, a big survey with a very small error margin.
They asked people in the survey, if there's extraterrestrial life out there, do you think the government would hide it?
If you think about it, let's just simplify it a little bit.
Now, you have two, you have an island where their most effective weapon is the bow and arrow.
And all of a sudden, a World War, for some odd reason, a plane crashes and the natives on another part of the island find in the wreckage a machine gun.
They're not going to tell everybody, the other natives, that they found this incredible thing.
They're going to figure out how to use it, how to make more of them, and then they're going to use it to sustain or take some type of control over their little piece of the island.
I think that's what we would do, and I think that's what we have done: we're trying to maintain national security and control over the world.
And so you're really, then you are saying that our little piece of the island, in this case the United States, if it possessed this kind of technology, would be back engineering like crazy.
Would be doing all kinds of things with the technology, but sure as hell not telling the population nor the world about it.
Since you had Secret and Beyond clearances, were you or are you aware that anything that we have just been discussing is more than speculation based on my experience or just directly?
What's really important to me is the message within the pages because I'm sharing my description of what has happened to me and which has changed my life in a spiritual level that I never, ever dreamed possible.
Well, one thing that, of course, everybody would be curious about is how you go from being a hardware guy, an engineer with NASA for all those two decades, and make the giant leap for mankind into the metaphysical.
And that's exactly, that's how I started writing this book, because I was having these episodes not only once a night, usually, but sometimes three times a night.
And they were scaring me so bad as a grown man, I would literally stay up all night long, afraid to go back to sleep.
That's how I got into it.
I feel like I was kicked or thrown into it rather than something that I consciously wanted to explore.
Especially in one night, I got a chance to experience it three times.
So it wasn't like one night and then a week later.
I was having a nightly basis.
And then what happened, this was happening by itself.
And so being a researcher, I wanted to know if there was something physically wrong with me, neurologically, or something like that, or psychologically.
So I started going through this process of elimination.
And I stumbled upon the reason why it was happening more often than not.
And what I did, the way I stumbled upon that, is because I just started duplicating what I did on the night that it happened by itself.
And when I did that, when I was able to find this thing, which has to do with interrupting your sleep pattern, I was able to experiment with it a lot more than just waiting for it to happen.
And when I was able to do that, that's when I got a little bit braver and a little bit braver.
And I realized that I was safe because nothing happened to me.
And then that's when I got the courage to start exploring this and to find out what it really was.
Well, if I were sitting in your living room and you and I were just having coffee and you said, Al, do you really believe in this stuff and what's really going on?
I would have to say, Art, I never in a million years would have believed this seven years ago.
I would have thought you were nuts if you had told me I would be talking about this or even that this was something that was real.
But I can tell you, after having all of these experiences, and I continue to have them, and they build upon each other, they're not isolated, they've rounded my understanding of this phenomenon and who and what I am, I have to tell you, one-on-one, Art, yes, I am thoroughly convinced, 110%, that we definitely have a soul and it can operate independently of the physical body.
The only difference, I believe, between what we do each night, consciously or subconsciously or unconsciously, the only difference between that and death is that we come back to our physical bodies.
Consciousness-wise, in the experience, I believe it's almost the same.
And as a matter of fact, I have to quote a dear friend of mine, Robert Peterson.
Since the passing of Robert Monroe, who I had the distinct honor of interviewing, probably the person best known now for out-of-body experiences is Albert Taylor.
And a lot of people out there want to know specifically what this is.
So I guess we're going to have to tell them and tell them how they can do it.
But why you?
So many people don't have this, but Albert Taylor not only has it, but has it almost at will.
And a lot of people, some people have told me why it was me because I really can't say for sure, but for some reason, with the background that I have and all that, I didn't come from a woo-woo kind of background or upbringing.
I'm a very rational person.
I've been very, I have a very, what do you call it?
Very, I can't even think of the word.
I've always been working in aerospace and always succeeded in everything that I've done.
I've always been able to present legitimate and valuable information to NASA and a bunch of other people.
So this thing, I guess because I have all those credentials, maybe that helps to add credibility to this thing that's so unbelievable and that maybe that is what it takes to actually get the information out to people who would otherwise be skeptical.
We were ruminating about the space program 30 years since we went to the moon.
Why aren't we going out?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
If soul travel is real, and if, in fact, you can go to other soul travel, Mars, the other planets, distant stars, in effect exceeding the speed of light,
then who's to say that the rocket ships, the hardware, the big heavy energy boosters or Saturns that we had or whatever are the way to go at all?
Because maybe that's not the way interplanetary distances are bridged.
But I mean, if soul travel is everything you say it is, then, well, frankly, with what we know right now and what Einstein has taught us, we are not going to go to other suns and other systems.
We can't do that.
It will take too long.
Soul travel, on the other hand, will get us there if what you're saying is correct.
But, you know, the thing is, is that even it's a lot easier to have a high reliability in a mechanical device that we create to transport us to a new location than with the out-of-body experience, it's not 100%.
You can't do it every time, and it depends on whether you're going to be relaxed, so that makes it very difficult for laboratory conditions and things like that.
So until a new generation, or maybe we as a species are evolving to this point where maybe the children being born now are going to have this capability more than the generation, my generation.
Maybe we're going to evolve to a state where this is going to be very commonplace.
We may be in transit, so we can't expect a lot out of it right now.
What we can do is explore it and try to understand it as much as possible.
Tell people out there, if they want to try this, and yes, ladies and gentlemen, what you're about to hear, it's true, it can be done.
You can leave your body.
It's real.
And this man can tell you how to do it.
It begins frequently with a very discomforting paralysis followed by a kind of a buzzing sound, a very loud buzzing sound that you'll hear as you're on the edge of sleep.
Well, after having done, I've written like five different techniques or so in my book.
But there's two that I really think are very, very important.
And the one that is easy for people who have trouble quieting the mind.
If you have trouble quieting your mind, then this one helps you.
And that one is called the interrupted sleep technique.
And what that is, is for various reasons, you want to try to control this whole thing from beginning to end.
And part of that control comes with eating early, early on, meaning before 6 o'clock at night.
The reason you want to do that is because late at night, the body is still using energy to process food, and you want to kind of free the body up from that.
So what you want to do is go to bed maybe about 9 or 10 o'clock.
Set your alarm clock to wake up about maybe 1.30 or 2 o'clock in the morning.
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Get out of bed, turn on Art Bell, and listen to Art for a while.
And what you want to do is you want to give yourself a fork in the road.
Because as you're slipping into a different state of consciousness, one thing can happen if you take the road to the left, let's say, you slip into a dream state with the body.
But what this interrupt the sleep technique does is it gives you a better option, a better chance of taking the road to the right, where your body goes to the left and falls asleep, and your consciousness goes to a superconscious level.
That's what you want to do.
So you want to focus in on just relaxing your body and let your body fall asleep.
The gate swings open and the spirit emerges in its natural state because that's where you really come from.
That's where you know things that you never ever dreamed about yourself.
Once you get to that point, anything and the sky is the limit.
I have not found any limitations as far as physical locations on where I could go and what I could access.
But what I found out is that the physical is just a minute And very tiny part of where you can go.
The non-physical is where you find the universe and things that you never dreamed existed, like life after death, because I never believed in that.
I never believed in that at all.
I thought we were just this genetic accident that after you died, that was it.
You turned to dust.
But that door swings open where you can find validation and personal validation, not believing what I say, but you can actually experience it yourself where you see relatives that you know or that have passed away in the past.
You can see strangers even.
And you can see things, people or entities that we've written books about, biblical books about, like, the words and things like that.
And I remember when I first wrote my book, I was telling my aunt about, oh, Auntie, I travel all over the place, and I fly and go in rooms and see things that I never ever dreamed.
And she told me, my aunt said, well, if you come to my room, I'm going to shoot you.
I said, Auntie, you're going to put holes in your wall.
It is possible to interact with the dream material of somebody else because what that dream material is, it manifests in something called thought forms.
You can read thought forms, you can feel thought forms, and in some cases you can influence thought forms, but in very, very limited cases.
But yes, you can.
You can experience someone's dream or either, or maybe not as they would experience it, but you can have a sense of what's going on.
Definitely, because especially there are a lot of hidden things beyond the physical plane.
Things that are very natural and things that are occurring.
If you can access, let's say, the past on things that have happened in the past that you knew nothing about that maybe involved you, well, that's going to tell you a lot more about the present and probably a lot more about the future if you know that you have existed in some shape or form in the past or that something occurred in the past that explains what's happening today in the physical plane.
Or, that's one perspective, or it might be, and I like this one a lot better, is that maybe we're headed in the right direction.
It's just we have a choice of running or crawling or walking, and maybe some things that we obsess on along the path slow us down, but yet we still are going to get there.
Technology, all these physical things will slow you down regarding that non-physical reality.
But I believe still, we're still headed in the right direction.
To tell you the truth, the five senses are a distraction.
So anything your five senses tell you will either turn your head away from the non-physical, and the more you focus in on what the five senses tell you, the less you're going to be able to perceive something that is non-physical.
But if God or the Creator had meant for us to be spiritual and not physical, then what the hell did he give us noses for and a mouth so we could make noise and ears so we could hear and why did he give us all of these senses if we were not meant to evolve at least through and past them because i believe that the challenge spiritually is overcoming these things i believe that that's what makes us stronger is overcoming these things that are so
powerful in our lives and these things that a lot of us only identify with to overcome that makes you more spiritually sound i believe and i believe it helped me because i'll tell you the way i have been brought up and the schools and and and things that i have gone to did not help me to accept what is what i've written about at all it was a handicap i was too logical if anything uh it conditions you in the opposite direction slowly
down right lovely down to tremendously and and in a lot of cases reverses my course but eventually you know i couldn't run from this art i couldn't rationalize myself away from it why should anybody out there right now listening who has never traveled outside their body want to well um i get that question a lot but you've got to know the one thing i say is is that and i don't want to generalize and say this is going to happen to everybody,
but I can tell you this: in my life, it has changed my perspective on everyday occurrences.
It has changed my perspective on how I relate to other people.
I have more peace and well-being and satisfaction in my life than I ever dreamed.
And even in the face of adversity, I've had some really tragic things happen to me, Archie, since you and I have been speaking.
I mean, a year ago, my son, who is a Marine, had a horrible car accident and broke his neck and is now in a wheelchair paralyzed.
And for a while, he was on a respirator, and we thought we were going to lose him.
And all of that.
And then through that adversity, I had a spiritual light at the end of the tunnel that helped me make it through.
And I would say that I'm glad that I had these out-of-body experiences and this changed.
So if you have a question for Albert Taylor, author of the best-selling book, Soul Traveler, and yes, you really can travel outside your body, then we'll go to the phones when we get back.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always speaks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future that we're going to allow this.
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Well, maybe this will set up what I'm about to ask Al here.
A beautiful blonde goes into a videotape rental store and decides for the first time in her life that she's going to stroll over to the X-rated section and rents an X-rated movie and takes it home and sets the mood, you know, candles burning, all the rest of it, flips the TV on and puts the movie in and hits play and nothing.
Just static.
You know, like you have when you turn your TV on with no antenna.
Just nothing but static.
Well, she sits there laborously watching an hour and a half of pure static.
Fortunately, it's a 24-hour a day store, so she calls a clerk and says, you know, look, I rented a movie from you earlier today, and there's nothing but static on it.
And he says, well, you know, this does happen from time to time with our suppliers.
You know, these sorts of things do happen.
Which movie did you rent?
And she said, Head Cleaner.
So I'm going to use that to transition into a question about sex and soul travel.
I've kind of skirted around it when you've brought it up in the past.
Well, you know, it happens a lot.
And sex, and I'm still trying to understand the connection because it is a very, very mental, and it seems to be a very non-physical soul, spirit type thing.
But in the astral, it's very, it's different.
It's for, first of all, it's more intense, and it is more like a sharing of energy of some sort rather than a physical activity.
You know, I was so grateful that I was complaining, literally, about these experiences to a friend that I trusted, and he handed me Journeys Out of the Body, the first one.
And I was so relieved to read in there that I wasn't the only strange individual out there having these experiences.
If you want to learn to ride the bike and you have to use training wheels to get you there or whatever aids you may need, then all it matters is that you get on there and you start riding.
Eventually, the goal is to not be dependent on mechanical means because it is accessible with training your own consciousness on how to do this.
But to give you a head start and to get you on there, I think you should do anything you can.
And I started that first, and for some reason, I had something telepathically come to me on how I could do that invisibly so that I wouldn't be at risk when I was finding myself on these ships.
I've only seen three UFOs, and I saw them all at once.
And so for me to continually wake up on these ships was a little, needless to say, strange and very, very scary.
I'm not now, but it was, you know, I've been going through this for a very long time.
Now, what has happened, and I've tried to do my own research on this, is I'll be 52 this year.
I had a hysterectomy when I was 23.
And I have spent, not in the last two years but prior, almost four years giving birth to hybrids.
And there are some people who have gotten some attention towards this issue, but nobody will go anywhere with it.
And you've got a lot of women out here.
there are some books that a couple I've read, and I've seen one movie where they drew the attention to this issue and said how women are impregnated, and then usually they take the baby within three months.
If I was a psychologist, ma'am, I might suggest to you that having had a hysterectomy so early in your life, your brain may be projecting something that you need or wanted and didn't get in your life.
Have you considered that?
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Yes, I have.
And I will tell you this.
One of my best friends I have is an Oriental person that was a flight training coordinator for United Airlines and some other professionals that I had them take pictures of me because my abdomen would swell up to about like I look like I was nine months pregnant.
You know, what she's saying is, and this is not my area, but we're at the point now, I was watching a special not too long ago where they were talking about the pregnant man.
Or that they may be able to do it in some kind of scientific duplicate, some kind of uterus or something like that.
So the fact that she's sterile doesn't necessarily put her out of the running if they can do it to a man who was never genetically designed to carry a child.
The concept of heaven and hell is kind of a Christian concept.
And I would say that I'm not a religious person.
I'm a spiritual person.
And me personally, because now we're asking for my beliefs, me personally, I don't believe in hell.
I would say that if you want to call it heaven, you could.
If you want to call it Valhalla or the astral plane or whatever, I believe that there definitely is a location that non-physical or deceased spirits, entities, souls do go.
And even in that location, there are multiple levels in that reality.
And most of the things that I've discovered, because a lot of these areas I've had like out-of-body experiences.
And that's going to have a tremendous impact on your experience after leaving the physical body.
Because not that that has to happen or that it's in the cards or etched in stone that it has to happen, but what I find, and I find this in the out-of-body experience, is that a lot of your thoughts can manifest into thought forms and experiences if you let them run amok.
So if you have this belief that, you know, like in Dreams May Come, she had a belief that she had done so many horrible things, and that's why she was there, not because she was sentenced, it's because in that realm, you really have to.
Now, if you knew that in the beginning when you were maybe stepping off the path, so to speak, whatever you may be judging yourself on, if you knew that it's not about someone else judging me or like the child doing something that the parent doesn't know about and if they get caught, the parent's going to chastise them.
If you knew that beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was going to be you that was letting you down, that would have a tremendous impact on whether you did something or not.
I had an experience that happened several years ago, and it's a little bit different than what your guest has been talking about tonight, but I thought he might have something he could explain to me or add to it.
I had some guests at my home.
One was a professor from the University of Washington.
This is when I lived in town.
And One of the other students.
And I walked out of the living room into the kitchen to get something for us all to drink, turned around, went back in the living room, and went face down on the floor.
There was no sign of, oh dear, I'm going to faint, or anything like that.
It just felt like, it felt like there was a big vacuum cleaner, giant vacuum cleaner on my back, and I was being sucked up out of my body, and then I was kind of hovering over watching what's going on.
And he ran over to me, and obviously he must have known what was going on because I sure didn't.
He was yelling, don't do this, don't do this, don't leave me.
You come back here right now.
And that's what he was saying, come back here right now.
And then draw your strength from me.
And he just laid down and threw blankets over me and stuff like that.
And I just watched what was going on.
But it was so strange because it had that, like I said, a giant vacuum cleaner sucking me up out.
That's not a consciously controlled out-of-body experience.
That's borderline near-death experience, which is a little different.
See, anything could happen to cause a near-death, a little heart arrhythmia or misfire or something like that.
I've known quite a few people, or a dear friend of mine, Kimberly Clark Sharp, she had the same type of experience where she was walking out of a store, and the next thing she knew, she dropped to the ground, body ceased to function, and they were doing CPR on her.
She'd never had any problem prior to that.
So I've heard that many, many times.
I even know a personal friend that I attend the International Association of Near-Death Studies meetings at, and she had nothing wrong with her, and that same thing happened to her where she dropped dead.
Now, the final, oh, well, she dropped in the return.
I think it's very interesting that you have flying dreams and that this happened, and the doctors can't explain it.
Now, can I ask you this?
Did your body cease to function?
Did your heart stop pumping and they had to do CPR or did you fall unconscious?
And it's rare, but I have heard of people having problems staying in the physical form or in the body, and it happens spontaneously, but it's extremely rare, but it does happen.
You know, I guess it's proper to ask Albert about people who are disabled.
Obviously, this is a way to leave an unfortunate physical reality and be free.
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Right.
Except for the fact.
Right.
If I may interrupt.
Albert, I've listened to the different things, ways that you've advised people, etc.
When someone's disabled, it really depends upon the disability.
If they're dealing with chronic pain, which I do, severe tractable, even with pain meds, it makes it so much harder to astroproject from the semi-near sleep, pre-sleep, you know, twilight state.
But I'm curious whether or not you have ever talked to people about giving them or giving them any kind of instructions or suggestions for how to protect themselves when they're out on the astral plane.
You know, the astral is the realm of thought forms, as you said.
Therefore, anything that's thought, you know, electrical impulses, they manifest in the realm of thought forms.
And when I was teaching, I taught English at Kent State and Youngstown State for eight years.
I had a number of students over the years.
I mean, every single class, there were tons of students who had had really, really bad astral experiences and didn't know that that's what they were.
And I would ask them different questions to distinguish between whether or not they were dream states or astral states.
And I suggested to all of them, even one included a Catholic nun at a hospital, who kept getting taken in the same place in the astral where her father had died, some suggestions for how she could change the scenario.
But with my students, my primary thing to tell them was, you know, imagine your body as if it's immersed or covered, had a second layer of skin that's like blue-white light.
And imagine yourself in a circle of blue-white light that turns into a sphere.
And just remind yourself or affirm to yourself that you are protected by the light.
you are in the light and protected by the light.
And all students over those eight years who started adopting a protection mechanism, they started doing that when they...
Exactly.
They started doing that when they went to sleep at night.
She said she has, as a result of her disability, intractable pain.
And I can see how intractable pain would prevent you in any conscious or even semi-conscious state from achieving the kind of altered state one would require to travel astrally.
Well, pain is a very dominant force when we feel it.
But, and this is, you've probably seen this many, many times on different shows and read about this, something interesting about some particular yogis, and even if you've seen some practices in India where they do body piercing and hang things from the nipples and all kinds of things that would make us cringe over here, but they have trained their minds to ignore the pain and are very, very successful at it.
I'm not saying that everybody who has an abnormality going on in their physical body can do this, but you know what?
It's a great start because I do believe that the mind, the consciousness, soul consciousness, dictates to the physical body when it's well trained and not the other way around.
So practicing to control your thoughts and your body and simple experiments like the heart rate, practice on slowing that down, things like that, the further you train your body, your mind, the more you're going to be able to ignore your five senses and what they're telling you.
And I do believe that it's still possible to escape that.
And my question for Mr. Taylor was, I had a chance a couple years ago to talk to a quantum physicist, and he was talking on a subject about when you dream, it's possible for your soul or your mind to travel to different places.
And I haven't really, I've been listening in and out tonight.
I was wondering if that had any relation to outer body experiences.
It really is strange because I have talked to some theoretical physicists, Albert, who suggest that this kind of travel may indeed be based in reality, that there are other dimensions,
and that in the world of physics, the amount of power to reach these other dimensions may be well beyond mankind's grasp for a long, long time, but not metaphysically.
I can only say that it is possible for you to perceive whether they can communicate with you.
I don't know about the life forms.
If they do exist, it is possible.
I put it this way.
Not only is that possible, I don't think there are any limitations.
I think the only limitations are your ability to focus your thoughts.
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Okay.
So, okay, in regards with the Prime Directive, you know, the old Star Trek thing, is that a safe thing to do to try to contact these people?
I mean, because it's always been thought of that the reasons why it's either the government's hiding the fact that we have contacted aliens or the aliens don't want to contact us directly because of the prime directive.
I mean I remember when I was a kid people, you know, we'd go into the bathroom or whatever and look in the mirror and say marry widow or something like that.
But on a scientific note, a lot of people have done experiments with things called a psychomantium.
I've talked to Raymond about it, and a lot of other people have duplicated it.
I think even the Monroe Institute has an experiment with it.
But that's where you put a mirror on one part of the wall with a chair facing it, usually black curtains or some kind of flat black wall environment, and turn off the lights.
And people, even Raymond, this is what's amazing to me, Raymond is such a scientist.
He cracks me up.
Even Raymond will neither confirm nor deny that these things are possible, but he has a whole list of stories he can tell you about personal experiences that have happened to him.
So I have heard of people doing that.
And I don't know if the mirror allows us to blank our mind or to use that other part of us that can see beyond the mirror.
I don't know if that happens.
Or maybe it's just something that helps us.
But definitely people have experiences like that.
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Yeah, because I was staring in the mirror for a long time and I could really put on a show, but of course nobody else would see it.
Well, I think a lot of things happen to us on the other side or in the non-physical that have to do with our belief systems.
But those things aren't permanent.
And in that afterlife situation, eventually, whatever the universal reality or truth of where we are is, that eventually filters through.
And a lot of the things that we've taken in or we believe that it's going to be like eventually dissipates and we get to see a clear picture or get a clear understanding of what that reality is all about.
Kind of like we all ultimately end up in the same place.
Yes, exactly.
Eventually, all those beliefs, all the religious things that we have, because different parts of the world have different religious beliefs.
So that shouldn't matter if we're talking about a non-physical area.
It should all be the same, if it exists at all.
So eventually all the things that we bring with us from this physical plane eventually dissipates and we see what's really going on.
Gee, just think, if we could only get to that place here on Earth, most of the wars and the killing and the strife and the human misery would all stop.
The thing is, is that we, in the physical plane, I believe, have come up with reasons to separate ourselves from our fellow man, be it whatever you see in your, whatever your eyes tell you, whatever you hear, or whatever.
But the reality of the situation is that we aren't separate and that we all are of similar substance and origin.
And the quicker we can realize that, the easier and the quicker we're going to get along and the more prosperous I believe we're going to be.
Those are the most fascinating stories I've ever heard as a child.
I think it was one of my first year of being a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, IANS, and I met a kid, I think he was 13 or 14 years old, but he'd had a near-death experience when he was seven.
And one of the fascinating things about it is it wasn't religious-oriented.
It wasn't any of that.
It was just kind of spiritually based.
And he told it in a way that it didn't matter what religion you were, it still fit in.
And I thought that was fascinating, and it was told with innocence and honesty.
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Absolutely, because some of the ones I've heard about, they'll lean towards Christianity or Judaism or whatnot.
And I thought maybe that a child would have a different outcome.
Yeah, I started listening to you a couple hours ago.
And when I was a kid, it seems to me anyway, I remembered it, and then you forget after a while.
But when I was a kid, I used to do that all the time.
And, well, some kids went off, and I sat by a tree, and I went over and listened to what they were saying, and later I started telling them what they were saying, and my sister freaked.
Who is real religious?
She says, oh, the devil's in you, so I quit doing it.
And I started hearing you tonight, and yeah, that's pretty good.
Okay, this has been happening to me for about two years.
You know, we were talking about I've had, you know, I've had the vibration coming out of that, but I've never quite come out of the body yet.
Get kind of nervous about it just before that happens.
But then I've also had, you know, you hear the voices just before it happens too.
But then the one incident that I'm really telling about is that it went through the vibration period, and I don't know if I was, you know, starting to come out of the body or not, but I could hear a couple guys yelling and stuff, looking for people who could hear them.
And it's like, I was saying it's like, oh, this guy can hear us over here.
And he started talking to me, and that scared me.
And I just said, I'm out of here.
So what was that?
Was I going into some like past life regression automatically or what?
When I think Patrick Swayze was searching around for someone that could hear him, and then he stumbled upon Whoopee?
I mean, can you imagine if you were suddenly thrusted into that state or died and you found yourself still fully conscious and still in some kind of body, but the only thing is the people who were still in the physical body couldn't hear you?
And wouldn't you search around for someone to be able to link or if you were really obsessed with the physical plane, you would search around for someone to hear you to validate that you are still real.
And if that person did hear you, I think you'd be around them all the time, just trying to communicate with them.
It scared me so bad that I stayed up all night long afraid to go back to sleep.
I totally understand.
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It happens to me a lot because I'm a driver, and I don't know if it's like if I sleep on my steering wheel, you know, I'll live with a head over there and it vibrates.
Well, the only, you know, this is what I can say, and it's still consistent to this day after all this time of actually, once I found out what it was, the only time I have had negative experiences was in the beginning when I didn't know what this was and I had a lot of fearful thoughts.
To this day, and it's been quite a while since you and I have been speaking, and I think this is like our 10th show or something like that.
To this day, I do not have negative experiences.
I would think I would have one or two to spicy up my life or my projections, but I haven't had any.
They're all wonderful experiences that hinge on my past experiences.
So my knowledge and experiences are taking me somewhere.
They're linear.
It's an understanding that is becoming more and more apparent.
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It's kind of a cross between science and science fiction, and I don't know what it is.
But I do know this.
We vacillate between having hard scientists on the air and people who take, well, the kind of approach that Albert's taking right now.
And he's been in both.
And as I listen to these hard scientists, the physicists, the mathematicians, the astronomers, and I listen to the metaphysics type folks, I'm still not sure today where the answer is.
I'm really not, are you?
I sit here and I read articles about people building machines, which by the way are almost done, which will attempt to duplicate the Big Bang.
Literally, could cause a Big Bang, a black hole, could cause the Earth to wink out, boom, like that.
So where are the final answers?
I don't know.
I don't really know.
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Do you?
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Yeah, you know, science, I believe curiosity and research are all so important, but I think we should have some kind of restraint so that we don't end up being like children playing with a loaded gun.
You know, end up opening a can of worms where we can't put it back in the can.
I read an interesting book a while back about a scientist creating a microscopic or a small minute black hole.
And this black hole was independent of the gravitational pull of Earth, and it would actually go through everything.
And eventually, as it would go through Earth and come back around and go through Earth again, it was collecting more and more density and more mass.
And it was killing people and going through houses and you name it.
That kind of thing.
We have to know our limitations.
I think we have to be very cautious when we're exploring new ground, new technologies, and trying to duplicate what's already out there that nature or God or whatever you want to say has created.
It sounds like it was just happening to you without you trying and you experimented when it was available or when it presented itself to you.
But if you become proactive about it and try to make it happen and read some of, maybe try some of the techniques that I've written in my book and in other books, if you've done it once, you can do it again.
if you can do it once, you can do it many, many, many times.
I've been having these experiences since I was just a little kid.
But I've noticed lately, or whatever, that this plane doesn't seem to be the be-all and end-all that some people think it is.
It's not like the pinnacle of spiritual experience.
As a matter of fact, it seems that there's an emptiness about it.
And I'm not trying to push an agenda.
I have a question for Art, if I could.
I'm not trying to push an agenda, but when you become lucid, or when I become lucid to where I am in this plane, and if my thoughts or my mouth says Jesus Christ or something, that's not very well accepted on that plane.
Am I missing something here?
Or as an experiment, have you ever mentioned his name on that plane and saw the reaction?
Well, no, I haven't mentioned it, but having done a lot of reconnaissance missions, I call them.
Yeah, what I found out, and I said this before, is that there are a lot of religious beliefs that are only on the lower areas of the astral plane or that next level.
A lot of those religious beliefs do not exist in the higher realms of consciousness.
Well, look, if they are successful, it won't make any difference whether you're in New York or whether you're out here in the desert the way I'm reading it.
I do want you to kind of like talk a little bit about how you can raise your vibration so you can avoid many of the negative things because sometimes people do experience.
I would like to talk about one experience very quickly.
It'll take a minute.
In the beginning when I tried to move out of the body, this was in 73, and I was living with a young lady, and I was out of the body.
She went to the bathrooms, and when she came back, she saw me in two places at the same time, in bed and out of the body.
And she saw that, and I did concur.
I did have the experience of seeing her trying to communicate, to tell her not to scream.
Wow.
I did not get my communication.
She did scream quite loudly.
And so, yeah, so that was a validation from someone from external who wasn't.
Well, you know, let me share this with you real quick because there's probably a lot of people out there who have the paralysis and they're not looking to have an out-of-body experience.
They just want to end the paralysis and maybe come out of it.
So if you are, the big thing that I found is that most of us are trying to move the entire body and reconnect with the entire body and it's very difficult and maybe even frightening because we can't make it happen right away.
But instead of trying to move the entire body and jump back in and sit up or something like that, just think about moving a small portion of your body.
Maybe the little finger or your toe or something like that.
Because what happens is once you're able to move one of those, it's kind of just dominoes and eventually you're reconnected and you can move the physical body again.
If there's something non-physical, especially when I found out that if you think it's an alien, you're going to see that whether it is or not.
And if it's a guide or something or an angel, whatever you want to call it, that's trying to take you somewhere and you're perceiving it a little bit differently, of course you're going to think you're being abducted.