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March 18, 1999 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Carol Bowman - Children's Past Lives
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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
From the high desert and the great American southwest.
I bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours and beyond.
Commercially heard from the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chain.
Southwest, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands.
South into South America.
North all the way to the bowl and worldwide on the internet this is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell reminding you that if you would like to see a talk show host in pain I'll explain about that in a minute you can actually see me as well as hear me on the internet now all you have to do is go to my website and I'll give you another very good reason to go because listeners have been submitting contrail photographs all day today And boy, we've got some real doozies for you on the website right now from all over the nation.
Keith has a little item up in the news area, the first thing you come to.
And you can click on that and take a look at some of the submitted Contrail photos.
They're incredible.
Absolutely incredible.
Some of the crisscross patterns are absolutely amazing.
And these are mostly photographed shots today.
You know, people after hearing the program, so... So there you are.
Take a look.
I did get a couple of interesting notes on the Contrail program.
One is, um, Ann, Anna actually, uh, who sent me the following, and you can take this as you will.
She did supply her full name and her phone number, though it's a little late to call her right now because she has to get up, uh, very early in the morning and go to work.
Otherwise, she'd be happy to talk to you on the air about this, but she said Dear Art, my husband said that I should tell you about a conversation I had this afternoon.
I was talking to a gentleman in the Army National Guard about contrails and the spraying of toxins over America, and to my surprise, he confirmed it!
I asked him about the fact that there was a number of different toxins being used and their effects on people living in the areas that are being sprayed.
His eyes got really big, and he smiled, nodding agreement.
Then I asked him about the men flying planes that are doing the spraying, and he said that a lot of them don't know what spray they are releasing.
I've had sinus problems, fatigue, and other things.
and so i want to put this aside and uh... maybe when uh...
day comes when next couple days when she can stay up will have her on the
air confirming that with everything as with everything uh...
at william thomas came on last night and presented his case as well as the
findings of the the studies have analyzed and those people who have
submitted to examinations and what they found there.
the world.
But this story is presented to you as I present all stories to you.
For you to judge, For you to make up your own mind as an adult, there is always, with my program, that caveat.
We deal with things that are out on the edge.
That's what the show's all about.
We deal with things that are on the edge.
And the caveat always is, judge for yourself.
Don't automatically accept anything you hear from my guests or even me as factual information.
I am not a reporter.
I am not, myself, an investigative reporter.
And so what you hear here may be true, as the day is long, or it may be baloney.
I have no way of knowing.
I judge as you judge.
I listen to people like William Thomas, and I think that William is sincere, and I think he's on to something, but that doesn't mean it's so.
But if you look at the response, it certainly seems so.
Anyway, there seems to be no end to punishment for good deeds.
Bye.
And I didn't know that Chuck Harder was still on the air, but he is apparently.
And I guess he was blasting me on his show, wherever it turd, for being irresponsible.
He says he wants to get stuff and test himself, the residue coming from contrails.
Well, go ahead, Chuck, how about it?
We had him on the air when he was having some troubles with his network and sort of tried to get a message out to his former listeners.
And so he takes a blast at me.
Well, I guess that's what you get when you're on top.
And we are, by the way, on top right now.
We are now coming up on 447 affiliates, something like that.
We're just growing like crazy.
About 447, I think.
So that's just something you learn to take from people, I guess, when everybody takes a shot at the top.
Don't shoot at the bottom.
You're right about that, guys.
Don't shoot at the bottom.
That'll get you nowhere.
The operations of the nation's nuclear labs are going to be reviewed by the president's intelligence advisors amid congressional complaints of security, lack of security, lax security, and suspicions of Chinese espionage.
The Chinese, of course, are saying, Me?
We've never spied on you!
And we can take their word for that, right?
A very serious situation.
About a hundred people, including at least one family who lost a relative in the deadly Amtrak collision that you've all seen a million times now on CNN, attended a memorial service Thursday night.
Meanwhile, investigators believe they now have a credible witness to the entire thing.
That says, the truck driver involved tried to go round the lowered crossing gates and beat the train.
The Monday night wreck, as you know, killed 11, injured more than 100.
So now they're saying they've got some sort of witness who apparently saw the whole thing.
And of course, the truck driver had said that the gates and the lights and all the rest of it were not going on, and he was in the middle when it happened.
It doesn't look like eyewitness testimony is going to add up to that at all.
In the meantime, he's got an attorney.
Hallelujah!
Art says, Hallelujah!
After a season of controversial calls, ladies and gentlemen, instant replay is back in the NFL for the 99th season.
NFL owners voted Check this out.
28-3 Wednesday in favor of instituting an instant replay challenge system at the spring meeting.
A total of 24 of the 31 owners were needed for approval.
Check this out.
The only teams opposed to replay were the Arizona Cardinals, Cincinnati Bengals, and New York Jets.
Well...
I wonder why those particular teams were opposed.
Now, you can imagine all kinds of things.
You can imagine that from the perspective, perhaps, of those teams, they occasionally play, of course, there's dirty stuff in the NFL all the time, right?
Holding, poking, gouging, yanking, face masks, low cuts, you know, the whole thing.
It goes on all the time.
But maybe those teams who do more of it than others Would not want instant replay for fear of getting caught.
I mean, let's lay it out the way it is.
On the other hand, they might just have some sort of moral objection, ethical objection, and they might like old-time football where mistakes can either go for you or against you.
Personally, I'm glad to see it because last season we had a lot of game-changing rulings that were awful.
They were awful.
Hooray!
That's all I can say is hooray.
I have a serious complaint to make tonight.
We live in a disposable society in America, and boy do I have proof of it.
Now, when I was younger, which was some time ago now, I've had a lot of TVs in my life.
I used to service my own TVs.
televisions.
I love a good television, a really sharp, good TV.
And I, seven years ago, eight years ago, got a Proton television.
They are, you know, top-of-the-line TVs.
And this is a 31-inch Proton television, right?
And I noticed, as I told you some time ago, that my picture tube was going.
I know what it looks like when a picture tube goes.
The colors begin to change.
Things get blurrier.
You begin to get what are called retrace lines.
Anyway, suffice to say I know when a picture tube is going, and mine was going, and so I thought, oh, what am I going to do?
Well, I went down and went really overboard and ordered the new Sony 34-inch HDTV.
You know, the oblong, the really new one.
It's going to be a few months before I get it, So I thought, finally today, I thought, I can't do this to my old proton.
What the hell?
Let's get a tube and put the tube in and it'll be like new.
And so I began calling around.
Guess what?
They don't make the tube anymore.
You can't even get them.
There's none in stock.
They don't make them.
They don't plan to.
They never will.
And so, when this one's completely dead, and it's headed down that trail quickly, that's the end.
No more TV.
I used to put my own picture tube in, converge them myself, do the whole thing.
We're coming, but now, after X number of years, forget it.
They don't make it anymore.
You gotta throw it away.
You can't fix it.
There's no such thing as a tube anymore for that TV.
certainly is a disposable society we live in, huh?
okay if you see a little bit of pain flicking across my face as the program
goes on my back went out this morning.
Bye!
When I was somewhat younger and climbing phone poles, I did that for a while.
I would climb poles.
I did what's called burning a pole.
I burned a pole.
Now, when you're up a phone pole, working, belted in, with spikes and everything, you know, a lot of you who do
that know what I'm talking about.
Generally, everything's fine and it's a very safe thing to do, to climb a pole.
And I've climbed gazillions of them. However, I burned this particular pole.
I didn't get a good bite and I lost it and I knew I was losing it.
And when you burn a pole, a foam pole, you have two choices.
And both of them are not very good.
You can either... You see, as you're falling, you have two choices.
You can either hug the pole, hold onto the pole, in which case they're going to be picking out pieces of pole, because they have these little barbs that stick out from most foam poles.
They'll be picking those out of you for a long time to come.
Your stomach, your arms, That's choice one.
And choice two is to push off, enter midair, and hope for the best.
Well, I took option two.
And when I came down, I came down on my butt and my elbow and impacted L4 and L5.
And about twice a year, it goes out on me and, oh baby, it's out right now.
It was sort of going out in the program last night and completed its outness this morning.
And so, I'm not all hunched over.
I'm still sort of walking, but... My back, presently, the best way to describe this is... I have four little teeny-weeny Ginsu knives down at the bottom of my back.
Down right where the back meets the butt, right?
And if I lean forward too much, lean to the left, lean to the right, lean back... One of the appropriately appointed little Ginsu knives sticks me!
So, I've been in a fair amount of pain all day, and tonight you're going to have an opportunity to hear Art Bell on drugs.
So I took a Perkinin.
You know what a Perkinin is?
It's a pain pill.
And that's the only way I'm going to be able to get through this, I think.
Assuming that I do get through it now.
Why am I so anxious to be here, come what may?
In the next hour, we're going to have Carol Bowman on.
Carol Bowman, I would say, is probably the nation's expert on children's past lives.
And I really, really, really am dying to do this show.
Here's an example.
Something just sent to me.
I'll hold it up here in a minute so you can see it.
Entitled, A Child's Memory of a Past Life is Confirmed.
Geez, Art!
It happened to me two days ago.
Below is what I wrote to you that day.
I was caring for my niece this morning while my sister went to the hospital to have her second baby.
Expecting a boy this time, Lori, my niece, was sleeping when I arrived at my sister's home and by the time Lori woke up, her mother had already left for the delivery room.
Thinking that she might be a little scared that her mommy And Daddy were not at home when she woke.
I began explaining where they had gone.
In the middle of my explanation, Lori stopped me.
Keep in mind, Lori's four and a half years old, and she said she hoped that, quote, Barbara would come home with Mommy and Daddy.
Who's Barbara?
I asked Lori.
Oh, she said casually, Daddy and Barbara were my I have more of these than I could even begin to tell you about.
And tonight we have a lady coming on who will, I think, explain them to us.
She has been documenting these for years and there's no way that you cannot be interested in what a two, three, or four-year-old child says about a prior life.
Spoken casually, spoken not as a two-year-old, but as an adult.
This is serious evidence of reincarnation.
This is really serious evidence of reincarnation.
And we're going to talk to a lady who knows all about it.
She wrote the book called Children's Past Lives.
We've got a link to it, by the way, on my website, and a link to her website as well.
If you want to start doing some reading now, surely you do want to get up there and see the contrail photographs.
They are quite incredible, I must say.
Now, why 2K?
Bad weather?
Oh, bad weather.
By the way, check this out, as I sort of segue into this.
Reuters, a burst of solar flare activity just about the millennium, Could wreak more havoc on satellite systems and power grids than the year 2000 computer problem.
According to a senior British Y2K planner, a surge of solar flares or solar storms that can shut down power grids and burn out satellites was expected to peak in late 1999 and early 2000.
Solar flares could do damage far beyond anything the Y2K disaster could do.
It could hit us on that weekend, said Michael Lewis, Deputy Executive of Britain's Association of Payments and Clearing Systems, or APACS.
The last peak in the 11-year cycle of solar flares was in March of 1989, when a surge of atmospheric magnetic activity shut down the Hydro-Quebec power grid in Canada, leaving 6 million people without power for days.
How about that?
In other words, just as we get to the Y2K bug, we're going to get hit with massive solar flares.
It is really going to be an interesting new year, isn't it?
And yes, I will be on the air the 31st, going into the... Well, now, let me qualify that.
I will try to be on the air, assuming that we have power, we have phones.
In fact, I'll come up even if we just have power.
I'll just talk to you.
Phones are gone.
But it's going to take a lot for that to happen.
A lot of links, a lot of satellites, a lot of radio stations, a lot of equipment has to go just right.
But I will be here.
I may be sitting here going... Somebody, Kurt, in Traverse City, Michigan, sent me the following.
Kind of a play on NDEs, near-death experiences.
He suggests that the Russians aboard the grief-stricken Mirror.
In fact, there was a little thing running around on the internet about the mirror being an exercise in the endurance and the limits of human mortal terror.
They did everything but have a little alien knock on the window.
Anyway, Kent in Traverse City, Michigan says they ought to call it an MDE.
Mirror Death Experience.
A few of our guys have come back from Mir and said they would not necessarily want to repeat the experience.
All right, we're going to get a couple of other items out and finish our commercial break.
Be on the side and then top of the hour, past lives of children.
We will be right back.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 18, 1999.
Music.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from March 18th, 1999.
Dan from Nashville, WTN International, sends the following.
In all sincerity, he says, Art, I sent my blonde wife to the hardware store to buy some 2x4 wooden studs to build my garage.
The store salesman asked my wife how long she wanted them.
And she replied, oh, we're building a garage.
We're going to need them for a long time.
haha you guys are alright
policy here's something a little more serious i'm afraid part i saw on a bc
news of wednesday the japanese oyster farmers have lost ninety percent
of their one of these last couple of years that's ninety percent
boats of the oysters they were getting
they're dying in large numbers SHHHHHH!
You may have touched on this last night.
I'm only able to listen for two hours or so.
No, I never did.
So, Japanese are saying that 90% of the oysters they normally get aren't there anymore and they're dying in droves.
Once again, the vision of the canary bouncing around on the bottom of the cage, huh?
Alright, listen.
Tomorrow is going to be a kind of an interesting dreamland.
Very interesting, actually.
It's going to be a couple of witches, that's with a W. They would object strenuously to that term.
Evelyn, Dr. Evelyn Paglini, who is a practitioner extraordinaire of the craft, is going to be interviewed by, or maybe they're going to interview each other, I don't know what they're going to do, my wife, who also dabbles.
The subject is the craft.
And I will come in, and I will introduce Linda Howe, and I'll do that segment, and then I'll do the commercials.
But, everything else, Ramona is going to do, my wife.
And now we're going to be taping that program between 1 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
1 and 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
It should be, uh, it should be really, really interesting.
So, if you can get to a computer, Later today, say between 1 and 4, you're definitely going to want to hear this one.
A discussion of the craft.
It's not something I talk a lot about on a personal basis, if you follow me, with regard to my own family, but you're not going to want to miss this one.
You really are not going to want to miss this one.
That'll be between 1 and 4, and of course, if you miss it, And I do understand a lot of you have to work.
The broadcast is going to be on Sunday.
But the taping is 1 to 4, and you can hear it on broadcast.com, if you have a computer, and if you are so disposed.
So there you have it.
Don't miss that.
The show on the craft, by the craft.
left.
1 to 4 o'clock, Friday afternoon, all times Pacific, or if you wish, preferred time.
I have connections, a connection at KNBC in Los Angeles, who reports to me regularly on
interesting stuff going on.
Bye.
The management at KNBC is trying very hard to find my deep throat, but they'll never, ever unearth who it is.
Anyway, my source at KNBC says, A San Francisco radio station.
Check this out now.
This is more of how you hear about things long after they have occurred.
You know, like asteroids passing Earth.
Earth last Tuesday had a very close call.
Well, gee, that's great.
Could have told us on Monday, or even Tuesday.
It's always a few days after.
Anyway, check this out.
A San Francisco station reports, according to KNBC, that an airliner loaded with 400 passengers barely cleared a mountain in a populated area last year.
Station KCBS says the United Airlines 747 had just taken off from San Francisco International for Australia when it ran into engine trouble during the flight last June.
This is last June!
Coming up on a year.
The plane came, it is said, within 100 feet of hitting San Bruno Mountain near South San Francisco.
The FAA confirms the plane went off course and, in fact, was lost to radar for 15 seconds.
It also says the pilot dumped some fuel before returning to San Francisco.
This is almost a year later we're hearing about this.
Four hundred people in a 747 bound for Australia clears San Bruno Mountain by a hundred feet.
Well, that must have been an interesting ride for the passengers.
You could count the leaves at the top of the mountain on the trees if they have any, or observe the nice bear spot coming real close in a 747.
That would be a An NDE for sure.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hi.
Oh, hi Art.
Hello.
Calling from Albuquerque.
Yes ma'am.
On Children's Path Live.
Yes.
I'll tell you about an incident that happened to me a long time ago.
As a matter of fact, when we go into this program later, I'm going to only take calls like yours when we get our guests on, so it should be quite a night to be sure.
Okay, go right ahead.
Okay, I'm a little bit older than you.
This happened when I was three or four years old.
The only way I can remember it at all is because it caused such a stir at the time.
We were living on an isolated farm.
My mother and I at home, and she spent the afternoon trying to teach me how to count to 25 by fives.
Right.
And I finally got it down right.
When my father came home, I had to show it off to him.
So I started counting, kept on going, all the way up to 100.
My mother was just in disbelief and fear.
It frightened her.
In other words, nobody had taught you how to count.
No.
So, yes.
No.
And I could not do it a second time.
Oh, really?
The second time, they wanted me to do it again, and I stopped at 25.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
So there's a weird one for you.
And you have no idea how you learned that?
No idea.
I mean, you weren't watching some children's show on TV that taught you that?
No TV.
This was before TV.
Before TV.
Actually... And no playmates.
You're absolutely right, because my earliest memories are of my dad bringing home this giant box with a 7-inch TV screen.
7 inches, in the middle of this giant piece of furniture.
It was amazing.
It was the first TV, and we had our antenna out on the fence.
So, if you're a little older than I am, indeed, there would have been no TV.
No TV and no playmates.
Just my mother and I. Well... Where it came from, no one knows.
No one knows.
All right.
Well, I appreciate it.
Thank you.
You know, what do you say about that?
Well, that's a little, as Stan would say, that's in the gray basket.
Maybe she got it somewhere.
But when children begin naming names and people, then, as I keep saying, it gives one a bit of chicken skin.
I've got a lot of stories here.
Yes, when we get into tonight's topic with tonight's guest, I'm going to restrict all of my phone lines.
I ask you all just sit back.
You don't need to call, once we begin, unless you have a story to tell of this exact kind, regarding a children, very, very, very young children, who obviously have memories of prior lives.
I mean, if you think about it a little bit, there really can't be any stronger proof than this, can there?
Who would be most likely to have some sort of recollection of a prior life?
Answer?
A child who had not yet developed or been conditioned to not believe or think about such things.
And that's exactly what we have.
Children who have not been conditioned to think about anything like this innocently say things that add up to proof of prior lives.
It's really an awesome topic, and Carol Bowman should do a good job.
All right, wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Let me turn down my radio.
Oh, yes.
In fact, turn it off all the way, actually.
Yes.
All right.
Yes.
Yes, this is Jessie from with La Crosse, Wisconsin, Radio WIZM on the dial.
Yes, ma'am.
It happened almost like Dan Jan Brinkley, but not quite.
When I was seven years old, I went to Bakersfield, California.
And another little rowdy little girl enticed me to climb over a barbed wire fence.
Oh, a barbed wire fence.
Right.
Good friend.
Which keeps cattle in, you know, just a little bit of electricity.
Well, she went around to the other side of the gate.
Now, wait a minute.
This is a barbed wire fence with a cattle guard electric wire on it?
Yeah.
I didn't know this.
Oh, this is some good friend of yours.
Oh, yeah, right.
So, anyway, she said, well, just climb over.
Well, when I grabbed onto it, I couldn't let go.
Everything was just paralyzed, my hands, until the electricity went through my whole body.
And then finally, I let go and ran back to the house in Bakersfield where my mom was and never told a soul.
But from that time on, as I was going to school, I could hear all types, just like Daniel, all types of thinking from kids.
Well, what you ran into in an electric fence was extremely high voltage and low current.
Very low current.
It would not have killed you.
Oh, I know that.
It's there to mainly get your attention.
It definitely gets your attention, and it would put you into total shock, that's for sure.
Oh, yeah.
Anyway, like I said, I could hear all the thoughts of all the children.
I was in first grade.
No, I was in second grade.
I'm sorry.
Well, you know what?
Something happens to your brain.
I think almost everybody now understands that our brains are electrical Oh, absolutely.
We're all energy.
Neurons firing like crazy up there.
Things going on we don't have the slightest idea about.
And when you apply outside electrical stimulus, serious electrical stimulus to a brain, almost anything can happen.
That's true.
I believe you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
You're welcome, Art.
Bye-bye.
Take care.
Oh, yes.
Electrified fences.
When I was a child, We, of course, knew and had electrified fences all over the place, and you could take a wet blade of grass and give yourself a cheap thrill.
If a blade of grass was wet enough and you touched the electric portion of the fence, you would just get a kind of a perfect tingle.
That's what we used to do.
But you do not, repeat, you do not grab onto the fence.
Bad idea.
Nor do you even touch the blade of grass.
Don't even do that.
People these days do things stupid like I was when I was young.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art.
This is Eric calling from Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Yes.
Concerning the YTK problem, there have been recent ads put in local papers saying that Manitoba Hydro will be assuring the Manitoba consumer that they'll be able to provide electrical power on a regular basis on normal Uh, power.
Does Manitoba power, um, connect with the rest of the grid up there?
Uh, that's right.
But they can shut off, apparently they claim they can cut out of the grid within two seconds.
They can cut out of the grid?
And, in fact, last January... You know, that's as long to bring it down as anything.
I mean, if, if, look, if Manitoba cuts out of the grid, that means the grid goes Well, they're just temporary until they can re-hook up to those that are more stable.
Cut out the ones that are bringing the system down and reconnect with those that are more stable and capable of preventing that sort of thing from occurring.
In other words, to hell with Montreal.
Manitoba's got power.
Let the people in Quebec and Montreal...
They have plenty of power.
I'm sure they won't have too many.
I'm sure they'll be able to have their system working just fine.
But the thing is, they said, they announced that there would be North American-wide tests being performed to check the grid and then their ability to disconnect from one another and so on.
This is going to be occurring, I imagine, during the summer, warmer weather.
And they announced that.
But they also had, you know, full-page ads.
Well, if the test goes real well and nobody's power blinks, Then that'll really build confidence.
On the other hand, if the power goes off, then what do you think that'll do to the public perception of the coming Y2K problem?
Well, I mean, you can always give the pros and cons, but I took it a step further and I did something that I think is missing in your show.
I went and I spoke to the people right at the power company.
The people in charge of the Y2K.
Just as I did when I spoke to somebody at a major bank.
I did the same thing, sir.
I talked to somebody at my bank.
I talked to somebody at my power company.
What did they tell you?
Well, they told me that only anything from 2-3% of their equipment will be affected by it.
2-3%?
They date sensitive as far as embedded chip and their systems.
And that primarily concerns the power control distribution because apparently it's not year sensitive.
uh... weekday sensitive and it's severely affected by leap years and this
year two thousand and be significantly pure i'm not sure exactly how they're going to handle it
but uh... it affects it because they anticipate power demand you know you
know what we probably ought to do we ought to make it a real leap year and just forget about
the whole damn thing and call it twenty oh one
2001.
That's right.
And then a lot of things would be satisfied at once, because there are a lot of purists out there running around saying, year 2000 isn't the millennium, it's not really the millennium until 2001.
So, we eliminate the entire year, make it 2001, everybody agrees it is now the millennium, and the Y2K bug is fixed.
Well, not really, but... All we do is lose a year.
Who cares about a year?
But they fixed the problem in the Manitoba Hydro by building a brand new power control and distribution system, which is a control center, which fixes that problem.
And that's one of the main sources of difficulty.
Isn't that one of the first things that'll go down?
I don't think so.
We shall see.
The Manitoba Hydro is actually government-owned.
Hey, that inspires my confidence.
But they're more politically motivated.
Oh, that really inspires my confidence.
Because they're more concerned about maintaining the system than they are about profit motive.
So, they're not going to cut corners so easily.
Really?
Well, that's what my experience is.
They don't care about profit up there, huh?
Well, they do, but they're more about giving good service.
So, that was a nice touch that it offers to the public.
But they've always given good service in the past.
Never really had any major problems.
Do you work for the power company?
No.
You should.
All right, thank you very much for the call.
Take care.
You know, I mean, let's face it.
Y2K may come, and because of the amount of screeching and screaming that's now being done, it may be okay.
Or there may be only minor disruptions.
Finally, it has sort of raged into the public consciousness, and so there is some chance that The majority of it's going to get fixed.
You've got to recognize that is certainly now possible.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, good morning.
I have two things at this time.
Well, there's not a lot of time.
Oh, boy, listen to that echo.
Hold on a minute.
All right, let's try it this way.
Where are you?
I'm Mike in Philadelphia.
First of all, there's a guy here in Philadelphia who talks about the ancient astronaut theory.
Oh, yes.
He's written a paper about it.
It's really Well, I've had Eric Vondonikin on.
He's the guy who... You've had Vondonikin, you've had Fitchin.
This guy comes from a little different direction.
He's not an archaeologist or a historian.
This guy's a stand-up comedian.
And this guy, I have to send you a copy of this thing because it's just, it's incredible how he brings it all in and he's really, really interesting.
Do you have an address I could send it to?
Yes.
Are you ready to write?
I'm ready.
All right.
It's Art Bell.
A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
Peel Box 4755 in Pahrump.
Pahrump.
Can you spell Pahrump?
No.
You want to try?
P-A-H-R-A-M-P.
Damn, that's close.
P-A-H-R-U-M-P.
Okay.
Pahrump, Nevada.
And the zip code is 89041.
Dash 4755.
Thanks, Art.
All right, I'll look for it.
All right, take care.
Take care.
Take care.
We'll be right back with Children's Past Lives.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
18th 1999.
Free, only want to be free.
With heart unclosed, hang on to a dream.
On the boats and on the planes, they're coming to America,
never looking back again.
They're coming to America, home.
you But it seems so far away
I was a highwayman along the coach roads I did ride With sword and pistol by my side
Many a young maid lost her marbles to my trade Many a soldier shed his life blood on my blade
Many a soldier shed his life blood on my blade Peace.
I'm not going to do it again.
The masters hung me in the spring of twenty-five.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
With the sea I did abide.
I sailed a schooner around the Horn of Mexico I went aloft at the Whirl of the Mainsail in a blow And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed But I'm living still I was a dam builder Across a river deep and wide We're steel and water didn't collide.
A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado.
I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
They buried me in that great ship that knows no sound.
But I am still around.
I'll always be around, around, and around, and around, and around.
I fly a starship across the universe divine.
And when I reach the stars I'll rise.
somewhere in time.
Tonight's program originally aired March 18th, 19...
And it's all about reincarnation.
the and it's all about reincarnation
people say reincarnation was in the bible and it was taken out, literally voted out by man
We are going to explore reincarnation in a very special way this morning.
As you know, over the last week or so, I've been getting a lot of email and faxes from people who have been telling me the most incredible damn stories about their children, two- and three-year-olds, that utter things that two- and three-year-olds cannot possibly utter.
They utter things about prior lives, and they do so before they know they shouldn't be doing it.
Before society conditions them out of this idea of ever having been around before.
Some of the stories give you chicken skin.
That's a Hawaiian thing, chicken skin.
It means, you know, that little shiver down your spine.
Well, I have been in search of and have found an expert in this area, and her name is Carol Bowman.
She has written a book called Children's Past Lives.
It took a little looking and a little help from all of you out there, but Carol and I have finally connected.
Now, she's tired.
It's the middle of the night for her.
She's a day person.
And I'm on drugs.
So we'll make quite a pair, I think.
Synchronistically, incredibly, she lives in Media, Pennsylvania, which is outside Philly.
And I know because I lived in Media, went to school.
Grade school in Media, Pennsylvania.
So, that was pretty synchronistic.
I just found out she lives in Media.
Amazing.
So, we're going to get off to that shortly.
I do want to say a couple of things.
One, once the program begins, I want all of you just to hang up your phones.
Don't call me.
Hang up.
Because the only calls we're going to take tonight are going to be from people who have had this experience, probably mostly mothers and fathers, who have seen this, observed this, in their children.
And I know there are many, many, many of you out there, so when we do get to calls, that's all we're going to take, and I am going to screen to be sure that's what I get.
So, please just let your dialing finger rest, and listen to what is about to unfold before you.
Now, on the other hand, if you are a parent who has had something like this in your face, you're going to definitely want to call.
Otherwise, just relax.
One other note.
Later today, there's going to be a rather unusual occurrence.
It'll be at one o'clock in the afternoon, Friday, Pacific Time.
Somebody suggested it should be Prompt Standard.
Prompt Time.
I'll never get away with that one.
Preferred time, I guess I've got to stick with.
About one o'clock in the afternoon, Ramona, my wife, is going to do a show with Dr. Evelyn Paglini on The Craft.
The Craft.
Yep.
Actually, Witchcraft.
Or, I guess more tenderly, just called The Craft.
And they're going to talk about it because They both know what they're talking about.
And I'll leave it at that.
If you want to hear the program, it'll be carried on broadcast.com at one o'clock.
I will do the Linda Moulton Howe interview intro, and then I'll do the commercials.
The rest of it will be Ramona and Dr. Paglini, and I'm going to sit here and try to keep my mouth shut.
Not an easy thing for me to do.
Ever.
as you well know.
Many, many children remember their past lives spontaneously, without hypnosis,
without promptings.
Some, as young as two and still in diapers, blurt out things like, quote, I remember when I died before.
Or my other mommy had curly hair.
They frequently describe details from another time in history they had no way of learning in this life.
These memories happen naturally to young children in all countries of the world.
Regardless of the beliefs of their parents.
They can happen anytime to any child.
But many parents do not notice because they don't know or believe it's possible or even know what to look for.
In 1988, Carol Bauman began her research into children's past lives to try and understand what happened to her two children.
When each had spontaneous memories of having lived before, as a result of her first book, Children's Past Lives, which is published in ten countries, and extensive public appearances on TV, radio, and newspapers, Carol has become the world's leading spokesperson in the field of children's past lives, hence her appearance tonight.
She's also been on Oprah, Good Morning America, Unsolved Mysteries, Sightings, The Unexplained on A&E.
She will appear in a documentary on the Discovery Channel's Science Mystery on April 15th of 99, Tax Day.
Carol graduated from Simmons College, has an MS from Villanova University, lives in Media, Pennsylvania, where I went to school, outside Philadelphia, with her husband, Steve, and now her teenage son, Chase.
Sarah, her daughter, attends college in Massachusetts.
Here she is.
Carol, thank you for getting up in the middle of the night.
Oh, you're quite welcome.
Wonderful to have you, and this is sort of one of those spontaneous things.
You know, I just got one fax from one person that I consider to be incredible about a child, and I read it on the air.
And for the last week, I've been getting inundated with faxes and emails from parents With stories that absolutely will just curl your hair.
And so then I started asking on the air, well, who's the expert?
Who do I get?
And your name came up about a million times, and so here you are.
Great.
You're in media?
I'm in media.
Media Pennsylvania.
Yes.
You know, I went to Rose Tree Elementary School.
It's still here.
Is it really?
Yes, it is.
They should have a monument to you.
I don't think so.
I'll recommend it.
Anyway, so I know exactly where you are.
I guess the best way to begin this is for you to tell us how this began for you.
I will.
It really began with my own children, as you mentioned.
When my son Chase was five years old, he developed a phobia of loud noises, which we first noticed at a Fourth of July fireworks celebration.
His phobia puzzled me because it just seemed to come out of the blue.
I couldn't think of anything in his short life that would cause such a reaction in him.
He became absolutely hysterical when he heard the fireworks.
But things like this happen with kids, and I kind of filed away the experience in my mind.
I hoped that it wouldn't happen again, but a few weeks later it did happen when he was exposed to loud booming sounds at an indoor swimming pool.
So I got a little worried, and I tried to ask Chase about his fear, and he really couldn't articulate what was bothering him about those sounds.
But I thought, well, this is common with young kids.
I really didn't know what to do.
I really couldn't talk him out of it.
As fate would have it, within a month or so, I had a friend who is a hypnotherapist who was experienced with past life regression visiting us at our home in Asheville, North Carolina.
The hypnotherapist's name is Norman Ng.
I told Norman about Chase's phobia.
I'm thinking maybe Norman could give him some hypnotic suggestion so he could get over his fear.
Sure.
Norman suggested that we try a little experiment with Chase.
I trusted Norm.
I knew he was competent.
I said, sure, whatever you want.
He said to Chase, who was a little guy at the time, sit on your mom's lap, close your eyes, and tell me what you see.
When you hear the loud sounds that frighten you.
Right.
And Chase's little eyelids started fluttering and immediately he described himself as an adult male soldier crouching behind a rock.
He described his uniform.
He described a gun.
He was carrying a rifle with a sword at the end.
And as he was describing this, I went into a state of mild shock because Chase was not allowed to watch much TV.
His TV viewing was limited to Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street.
Carol, you're going to have to excuse me.
I'm on drugs, remember.
How old was Chase at that moment?
Five.
Five.
Okay, thank you.
Go ahead.
And he went on to describe in vivid detail his experience on a battlefield as a soldier.
With the emotions appropriate for an adult who would have been there, not a glorified version that he may have seen in a movie somewhere.
I also knew in that moment that he had never been exposed to this type of thing before.
He was going to a preschool called Rainbow Mountain and they didn't talk about war.
He hadn't seen any war movies.
And he went on to describe himself in this battle.
He said he was scared, confused, he missed his family.
These were things that were coming out of a five-year-old.
Yeah, that's battle, alright.
Yeah, and then he said he was shot in his wrist.
And they took him to a hospital, but it wasn't like a regular hospital.
He said there weren't beds there, there were hard benches.
It looked kind of like a tent.
He said there were big poles in the ground with some material covering it.
And he said, they took me out of battle after I was shot, and they're bandaging my wrist.
Holy smokes!
And he said, I don't want to be there.
I miss my family.
And at this point, Norman picked up on the fact that Chase was probably well into a past life memory, and assured Chase that He was just doing his job as a soldier that in a war we have to sometimes we kill or sometimes we are killed and it's only playing a part like being in a play and we learn through doing this.
Was Chase in fact, Carol, under hypnosis?
Do you think a very light hypnosis or not at all?
Just sort of allowed to think?
Well, it's a matter of semantics because hypnosis is just a state of concentrated focus.
That's right.
And I think it was more that he was invited to talk about what he saw.
And I think because he had this phobia, this reaction, the memory was very close to the surface.
So just by inviting him to talk about it, he went into a slight trance state.
But no different than, say, watching a movie or... Gotcha.
Yeah.
So, technically, he was in a light trance state, because he wasn't in an altered state remembering.
So, Norman assured him that whatever happened in that battle was okay, that he was absolved of his crimes, if that was bothering Chase.
And Chase went on to say, after he was in this hospital, they sent him back into battle, and they told him to go behind a cannon, and he was very upset by this.
He did not want to go back.
So he described himself walking back into battle.
He said, there are chickens on the road, there's a big wagon with big wheels, pulled by horses, and there's a cannon on it, and it's tied down with ropes.
You know, he had very vivid recall of these details.
And he said, well, they made me go behind the cannon.
And at that point, his eyes opened and he smiled and just hopped off my lap.
And that was it.
That was enough.
Yeah.
Now, I would imagine this was about what do you call it?
Chicken?
Chicken skin.
I imagine this was an awful lot harder on you than it was Chase.
Oh, yeah.
It was no problem for Chase, but I was completely thrown However, my nine-year-old daughter, Sarah, was sitting with us.
This all happened at our kitchen table.
She got very excited and said, Mommy, that wrist where Chase was shot is the same wrist where he has his eczema.
In the excitement of the moment, I had forgotten that since Chase had been about nine months old, he had a chronic and severe eczema on that spot on his wrist.
And the upshot of all this was that within two days that eczema, which had not responded to medical treatment at all, I had taken him to about three doctors.
The eczema completely disappeared and his phobia of loud noises disappeared.
In time.
And when he was exposed to those sounds again, they didn't bother him.
Alright, Carol, hold it right there.
We'll be right back with Carol Bauman.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
Moonlight walk through the night, you are here.
Fill my visions, they are memories. There are realms of fond memories.
There are fires, there is laughter. There is love.
Or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet.
You know that ghost is me And I will never be set free As long as I'm a ghost you can't see If I could read your mind, love You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
Now listen, when we do open the phone lines, they're not open yet, so rest your darling fingers out there, huh?
We're going to be taking only stories from those of you who have stories to tell, like those Carol is telling.
She's the world's expert now.
On Children's Past Lives.
And that's the name of the book she wrote, Children's Past Lives.
We'll get back to her in a moment.
She's in Media, Pennsylvania.
And indeed, my elementary school is still there.
Rose Tree Elementary School.
I'll be doggone.
We had an experiment going on back then, and I was taking Latin.
And I don't think they're going to erect any statues to me.
Not at Rose Tree.
I was bad.
Couldn't keep my mouth shut.
And I'll never forget my Latin teacher.
She was a... She was a monolith of a woman, I'm telling you.
She was... She was... She was... She looked like she'd inhaled two other women, you know, and... She rapped knuckles.
She was in... I... I... My knuckles... She rapped my knuckles so many times.
Oh, you're sick!
I remember that.
I was up at the blackboard.
Bill, you're sick!
And that's always stuck with me.
No, I think no statues at Rose Tree.
We'll get back to Carol in a moment.
I'm Art Bell.
Well this is Coast to Coast Dan.
You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
Back now to my guest, Carol Bauman.
Carol, what I'm most curious about now is how After you sat there and you listened to that, what did you go through?
I want to add something to that, too.
That Chase had this battlefield memory and what was going on during that scene on the
battlefield were loud, booming sounds from the cannons and from the gunshot.
And it was those sounds that triggered Chase's memory in this life when he was five.
The sounds at the Fourth of July celebration as the fireworks were going off.
So this often happens with young children.
Their memories will be triggered by some stimulus like loud sounds, a smell, something that reminds them of the past and quite spontaneously they will start talking about their memories.
But it could not have been easy.
For you to hear this and to assimilate and understand what you were hearing and what it meant.
Prior to that time, were you a religious person?
Did you have strong faith in anything of any sort?
What were your feelings about reincarnation?
You know, the whole thing.
What were you all about then?
Well, actually, from about the age of 18 or 19, I had done reading about reincarnation.
I had read about Eastern religion.
So I was very open-minded, but it's kind of an abstract idea.
But I had an illness when I was in my mid-30s.
I had lung problems.
During the worst part of my illness, I started getting these visions of myself as a 19th century persona.
I had a past life regression prior to that, so it was familiar territory.
And actually, the past life regression cured my asthma, pretty much.
So, when this was happening, the big surprise was that children had these memories, too.
I was quite open to the idea, and had the experience myself.
But it took a crisis for you to have it.
Children seem to have it spontaneously, and I'm hearing these stories now, and I'm starting to think, well, maybe it's an absolutely natural thing and it is our society that sort of trains it
out of children.
We tell them it's nonsense, their imagination, here's the real world, live here, don't think
about stuff like that.
And so eventually a child gives it up.
That's exactly right.
And I say that spontaneous past life memories in children are as natural as cutting teeth.
I think it's a part of a child's spiritual development which has been overlooked in the West.
Before the age of five, the children have very fluid access to these memories because they haven't been layered over by our imposing cultural and religious views on them that this is impossible, precisely as you said.
But even in the East, I wonder if as adults, many people really recall past lives.
I wonder if in almost any culture, the tendency is for whatever was there to fairly quickly fade unless it is particularly nurtured and cultured.
That's true.
What we've seen is that these memories are available to about the age of seven.
When other developmental stages enter into, when the children reach the concrete operational stages, as described by Piaget, that there's something that happens with children around that age where most children lose those abilities or they're taught out of them, but I think that with adults Different things can trigger these memories.
Illness, deja vu kind of experiences when you go to a new place and it's familiar.
Those things can stimulate memory.
They come in dreams.
But with children, I think they have very easy access until about the age of seven.
And it's a developmental thing.
They shut down for whatever reason.
With the amount of research that you've done, there are a couple of questions I have.
One, if we accept reincarnation as a fact then I have a question about reincarnation and that is what the soul what happens to our soul when we die we apparently go someplace and apparently seem to wait or there appears to be most frequently some period of time between death and reincarnation
Can you speak to that?
Do you know?
I will speak to you from the vantage point of the children who report back.
Precisely, yes.
Just from what the children have said, they go to a place which they describe as heaven, and they're with other beings, and they're taken care of, and there is some kind of planning process.
The children describe how they, with Working with someone else, they chose their present parents.
Oh.
Yeah.
No, I've heard that before, that they get to literally choose their parents.
Right.
And this is what the children say, quite matter-of-factly.
Oh, I'm so glad I chose you as my parent.
And I think most people in the West would completely dismiss this as some cute little thing their child is saying, when in fact, They mean this quite literally, that they do remember choosing.
You had Michael Newton on your program as a guest recently, and he wrote the book Journey of Souls, and he talks a lot about this planning process from the perspective of adults and hypnotic regression.
The children see this, they remember this on their own.
They remember who they're going to reincarnate with.
Sometimes they see other beings up there who they know will be with them again like a sibling or they will see a deceased grandparent with them who's taking care of them or guiding them into their next incarnation.
Is there not time as we perceive time in a linear fashion on the other side?
I don't think we can comprehend The other side in linear time, no.
I couldn't really explain how it works, but I do know that sometimes the intermission between lives is less than nine months, and I'm finding out because I'm writing my next book about cases of reincarnation in the same family.
For example, a grandparent dies.
Comes back as a grandchild or a child dies in an accident through illness and within a few years or less returns to the same parents.
And sometimes the intermission between the death and the rebirth is less than nine months.
Did you hear the one facts that I read in the first hour prior to your coming on?
Refresh my memory, please.
All right.
I was caring for my niece this morning while my sister went to the hospital to have her second baby.
Expecting a boy this time, Lori, my niece, was sleeping when I arrived at my sister's home, and by the time Lori woke up, her mother had already left for the delivery room.
Thinking she might be a little scared that her mommy and daddy were not home when she woke, I began explaining where they had gone.
In the middle of my explanation, Lori stopped me, bear in mind, this is a four and one half year old, and said that she hoped that, quote, Barbara would come home with mommy and daddy.
That's totally in line with what I'm finding.
In viewing this and understanding how this works, think of consciousness as a continuum through death.
As we know from the near-death experiencers, their consciousness continues after death.
And it continues on through that intermission phase, through the fetal stage and through birth.
So when these kids are coming in, they have all these memories available to them.
And sometimes children will start talking about their pre-birth memories or their past life memories as soon as they start talking.
Yes.
Even prior to the age of two.
Yes.
So the memories are there.
Consciousness is a continuum, and the kids are showing this to us.
Alright.
This is my second big question.
It always has been about reincarnation.
It's an obvious question.
What good is reincarnation, or what is it that I don't understand about reincarnation, if the continuation of consciousness is barely perceptible, or not perceptible at all?
In other words, do we truly have a continuation of consciousness?
Or is there supposed to be some sort of erasure?
Or maybe there's some great cosmic joke and there's not supposed to be an erasure and we're all supposed to remember everything consciously.
I'm not sure.
But what good is reincarnation without the lessons learned remembered?
That's a good question.
I think reincarnation just is.
Is.
And I think that a lot of tribal cultures or pre-Christian cultures took this for granted that we are part of the cycles of nature.
We are born, we die, and we return.
And I think that probably we have information available to us early on.
I know, I believe that it's available to us in the womb and we're actually Ruminating about our past lives in the womb.
Some of us seem to be quite forgetful of where we've been.
I don't know why.
Some people tend to remember and others don't.
But even in Judaism, they have what they call the angel of forgetfulness, who touches you right above your lip, right before you're born, so that you don't remember.
You have to come back.
Live the best life that you can.
If I were awaiting rebirth, and I had the opportunity to pick my parents, why would I pick parents who would be poor, or who would abuse me, or abandon me, or toss me into a Dipsy dumpster, or any of the other horrid things that occasionally occur to children?
Another tough question.
It's tough in terms of a single lifetime perspective.
Yes.
In that sense, it would make absolutely no sense and be grossly unfair.
However, I think after we die, we are in a super-conscious state.
We're at a level of awareness of the soul which is different than our waking, ordinary state of consciousness.
And I think in that state, I don't know exactly how it works of course, but I think that we
see our incarnations completely differently.
Even the tough lessons are manageable because we know that we will be here for a finite time and then leave and have a chance to do it again.
I think that some of us have to go through extreme learning patterns to really understand what we're supposed to understand.
Does that make sense?
It does.
In other words, I might, when I'm in that cosmic waiting room up there, I might understand, looking at all of my lives together, that I must have a certain experience and I must react to it in whatever way I'm going to react to it It's kind of like when you're Boy Scout, you've got to get all the merit badges.
That's a good way of putting it.
That's the only way I can think of.
And I've got to have that experience to be complete.
Right, and I think that these experiences, even the horrible ones, leave impressions in our soul that stay with us, because we know that when we are born, we come in with a distinct personality, and any parent who has ever held a newborn for the first time knows that there
is this personality at birth.
Oh yes.
And these personalities are forged in other lifetimes from all of these experiences.
And hopefully if you have a horrible experience like that you come in with some compassion.
Hopefully if not.
Well if you I guess are sufficiently along the trail and your merit badge area is real
thick.
Yes.
I mean maybe that's the case.
But then there are a lot of are you able to recognize are new souls recognizable by their
oh I don't know I guess we might say lack of civility.
Hard to say.
Maybe they're stubborn souls.
Maybe they're new, maybe they're stubborn, I don't know.
Maybe they're locked into a pattern.
You hear people say, I looked into that child's eyes and they look like an old soul.
Oh, sure.
I think there's definitely something to that.
One more great question that's irresistible with regard to reincarnation.
It'll stop a lot of calls about this.
And that is, everybody always asks, well, if there is reincarnation, how is it possible that we have a continuing number of souls appearing I mean there are six billion people on earth now once you can count the numbers in the millions or hundreds of thousands or ultimately you know from one or two or four or ten or twenty where do all these new souls come from?
That's a provocative question and I think that there are several ways to look at this we don't incarnate Successively, we can stay out wherever that is on another level of existence for a while and incarnate.
We don't really know what a soul is if it's one traveling identity that remains intact, making one for one, or maybe it splits.
Or there's another possibility, too, that we exist multi-dimensionally and maybe there are parts of us on different planets right now.
Or there are these beings of consciousness that come down to Earth for a while to learn the lessons here and then they go off to other planets or dimensions of reality.
These are really good answers and I've really been pressing you hard on the subject just of general reincarnation to sort of set it up.
What I would like to do after this break at the top of the hour is obviously you did a lot of research Yeah.
To write children's past lives.
And I would like to get some examples from you.
Some of the best, perhaps, in the book of the exact same kind of story you told about Chase.
Yeah.
I'd also like to talk about Ian Stevenson's research.
Oh yes, indeed.
Which is really important to understanding the phenomenon.
Alright.
But no doubt, again, Well, in fact, just quickly tell me, how did you research this book?
How did you do it?
How did I do it?
I started by placing reader ads in magazines asking for cases from parents.
I started networking with therapists and looking in libraries, bookstores to find anything I could.
And what I came up with was there was only one serious researcher in the world at the University of Virginia Medical School, Dr. Ian Stevenson, who's been researching this since the early 60s.
And what kind of results did you get?
Did you get a lot of answers to those ads?
Yes.
And in talking to people, just casually bringing it up in conversation, people had their own stories.
And I was convinced that This phenomenon is widespread and just hadn't been exploited in this culture.
Exploited meaning even explained.
So I have a feeling that it's far bigger than we know, too.
Because if it's real in 5,000 cases, then it's real.
It's real.
That's all there is to it.
All right, Carol.
Hold on.
Carol Bauman is my guest.
Her book is Children's Past Lives.
And it is one fascinating topic, so keep your radio right where it is.
The expression, don't touch that dial.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 18, 1999.
I don't hear you asking me what's going on. I don't hear you asking me to stop myself.
The Coast to Coast AM presentation.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
Carol Bowman is my guest, and she will be back in a moment.
If you are counting the days to Y2K, watching the weather... Oh, by the way, on the weather, I should get this out to you, if I can find it.
Somebody sent this to me earlier.
There is a Serious storm crossing the dateline.
Massive storm number 30 roars across the dateline.
The data for tonight's forecast is the most impressive that we've ever witnessed.
This is from StormSurf.
Storm and swell potential forecast.
Comes from a website entitled www.stormsurf.com and we probably ought to get a link up to that.
And they're saying there's a real whiz-banger headed across the Dateline right now.
I'm not surprised.
Are you?
I think when I came around this time, I was in the cosmic waiting room, and my maker said, well, let's teach this one about human backs.
Send him down.
Carol, welcome back.
Thanks.
Somebody sent the following, Carol, and it's one more hard question for you, and then we'll depart into another area.
It is as follows.
Art, did you happen to catch what Carol Bauman said?
She said that Sometimes they return in less than nine months after their death.
Now, this raises the obvious.
When does the soul, or spirit if you will, enter the human being conception?
In the womb?
Birth?
What do we think we know about that, if anything?
I think that the answer is that the soul can enter any time, even at birth.
Even at birth?
Yeah.
It seems to From what we understand from other research, too, that the consciousness goes in and out during pregnancy and it is aware of what's happening outside the womb as well as inside.
So it's not really fixed.
Sometimes it fixes to the fetal body before birth.
That's not necessarily the case.
It's very fluid.
Well, that's going to leave, of course, then the question and the controversy about abortion up in the air where it's been for a long time, huh?
Well, I'm going to address that in my next book.
I have a chapter on that.
I have cases of children who remember abortions and miscarriages where they tell their parents, I was going to come to you before But I changed my mind or the guide said it's not a good
time to come.
They didn't come but they returned later.
All right.
So you can do with that as you will.
Sure.
Maybe we have free will.
Maybe we always have free will.
I don't know.
To some extent.
I think it's a joint venture.
I think there is free will but I think there is also a planning process that we do with
intelligent beings.
I did a show before the show I do now called Dreamland called Area 2000 from Las Vegas and I interviewed Dr. Stevenson on that program.
You wanted to mention Dr. Stevenson.
Oh you did?
Oh I did yes.
Oh yes I do.
When I was doing my research I found that he was the only one who had done any serious reincarnation research using scientific methods.
He started in the early 60s.
He was the head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia Medical School.
Someone brought him a case of reincarnation from India.
He was so fascinated by the case that he went to India to investigate and he was inundated with cases.
Once he got there, And since that time, he's spent his career researching children's spontaneous past life memories.
And to date, he has almost 3,000 cases documented at the University of Virginia Medical School.
And about 1,000 of these are verified cases, which means that the two or three-year-old gave enough detail, specific information, proper names, so that their identity in the past life could be traced.
And they would investigate these cases.
For example, the two-year-old would say, my name is really Rave Shankar, and I was born in this other town, and I had a wife and child, and we used to hide our money under the stairs.
Well, Dr. Stevenson would accompany this child to this other town, and typically the child would lead the way to his former house, identify the surviving relatives And say to the wife, let's go, is the gold still under the stage?
It was pretty remarkable.
So remarkable, Carol, that it begs the following question, and that is, with this seemingly irrefutable research and proof, how can there not be more discussion in modern Western society and more belief In all of this, I mean, a lot of this really is quite irrefutable, and it just sort of sits on the shelf, put up there, and it just sits there, and it gathers dust and cobwebs while what everybody else believes is taught.
And, you know, we will inevitably have somebody call who will say, well, I'm reading the Bible, and it says you have but one life to live.
Yeah, well, the Bible's been altered, edited.
Speaking of putting it on the shelf, quite literally, Dr. Stevenson has written volumes on this.
In fact, he just published a two-volume set, 2,200 pages, called Reincarnation in Biology, which I think is his masterpiece, in which he examines 225 cases of birthmarks and birth defects on the present child.
Relating to past life, injuries, disease, wounds on the deceased.
That's very interesting.
In the verified cases where they could establish the identity of the previous personality, he would examine medical records, autopsy reports, and find that the current child has these marks or defects on the body in precisely the same locations and like kind.
to the past life characteristic.
So he has established a biological link between previous lives and present lives.
Which is really hard to refute when you look at these cases.
And yet, it's not only not refuted, but it's ignored.
And I guess that's the basis of my question.
Is it our Well, I think it's changing, and I'm certainly trying to do my part to change that.
I think people haven't been exposed to the material on children's past lives because Dr. Stevenson is an academic.
about right now. We simply will not consider it. Well I think it's changing
and I'm certainly trying to do my part to change that. I think people haven't
been exposed to the material on children's past life because Dr.
Stevenson is an academic. He's writing in obscure medical journals. In fact I want
to I want to say at this point on our website on www.childpastlives.org we've posted some articles by Dr. Stevenson and some
interviews and we We have an article about the birthmarks and birth defects relating to previous lives.
We've got a link up.
Of course.
People should definitely check out this stuff.
It's amazing.
I just feel that his work hasn't been exposed.
To the general public, and I think if it were, I think there would be a lot more believers, because here's hard science showing that this is true.
And I'm trying to educate parents what to look for in their own children so they can recognize these past life memories, the expressions of these past life memories.
It's not only in things that children say.
All right, what do you tell parents?
In other words, what should parents look for?
Well, the most obvious are statements the child makes before the age of five when they talk about the way they died in the past or their other family or when I was big before.
These remarks are made very matter-of-factly.
The child usually has a very serious tone when they're talking about this.
Look for information that you know.
Your two or three-year-old hasn't learned through normal means, meaning through conversations, TV, movies.
Well, I was about to say, wouldn't most parents put down such a statement to, you know, hours in front of the TV, that sort of thing in modern days?
I think a lot would, but there's also a quality to these remarks where they're really hair-raising.
Where the parent feels that there's something very chilling about what the child is saying.
In every case, and I've probably had a hundred faxes or emails now, that's been, in every single case, it's as though the child suddenly becomes somebody else, very adult-like, for a very short period of time, and then, boom, like that, bounces right back to being a child again.
Exactly.
They go into this altered state.
And it's very brief.
It's a very narrow window.
And I suggest that parents just remain open to what's happening and not discourage the child.
I assure you that most parents go into a mild state of shock when this happens.
They do.
Should they encourage the child?
In other words, should they try and draw them out to get a continuation of some statement made and keep them going?
And they can do that by asking open-ended questions like, Oh, what happened?
Tell me more about it.
Because what Dr. Stevenson has found, and I can totally support, is that many of these memories involve the way the child died in a previous life, and sometimes these memories can be traumatic.
So the soul really needs to Be able to express this, process it, because it's something that they couldn't process at the time of death.
So it's actually very helpful to the child to at least acknowledge what they're saying and encourage them to talk about it.
And as they're talking about it, discern what they're saying.
Are they talking about perhaps an unfinished death on a battlefield?
As in my son's case, if so, assure them that yes, that was very sad that that happened, You're now back in a new body.
Isn't that wonderful?
They need to get that completion on the past life.
If they don't, it might be an issue that could follow them into adulthood.
I see these memories, in a lot of cases, as opportunities for the child's soul to heal.
I think that's why they come up in early childhood.
It's a developmental thing.
development, that developmental phase that they're going through.
And I think if we could look at it that way, we could do our children a tremendous service
by acknowledging what they're trying to tell us.
Carol, could it be that the way things are supposed to be is that we are supposed to
recall prior lives, and that we are, as a society, doing Yes, I agree with you.
the wrong thing and we're suppressing them, that we're supposed to remember them for the
growth and for the sake of the life we're in right now, which contributes to growth.
We work out what happened last time, whatever the trauma might have been.
The way it's supposed to be is that way, not the way it is.
You expressed it perfectly.
Yes, I agree with you.
You don't have to do anything fancy with the child, just acknowledge them, allow them to
speak, because by doing that you're creating the right, if you will, psychic climate for
them to express these memories and do what they need to do.
They will process these quite spontaneously on their own, but I think it's an incredible
gift if a parent is open to what a child is saying and allowing them to go through this
process.
And I would like to see the day when this idea is so mainstreamed in the West that pediatricians, child psychologists, psychiatrists take this all very seriously and look at childhood phobias, separation anxiety, other problems with children as stemming from their past life experiences.
That's pretty radical, but I'd like to see that happen.
Well, if it's true, if all of this is true, it's not radical at all.
Right.
Right.
It is true.
Well, then it's not radical.
It's just a radical change from where we are right now.
That's all.
You're right.
That's exactly right.
And I have an absolutely incredible story to tell you when we have... I think we might be going into... Yeah, we're getting close.
Did you...
Obviously, you collected data from the ads you put in, trying to get parents to tell you things.
Were you moved, in any particular cases, to actually go and investigate yourself?
Well, I've had to do all my work by phone, unless it was within a car ride, because I've been funding this out of our family budget.
I'm not funded.
I understand.
Yeah, so I've had to limit myself to I've met a lot of people at lectures who bring me their stories, their cases, and I get them that way, too.
Now with our website, we have a forum on our website, and I get new cases from that.
I encourage your listeners to check it out because people post these stories all the time.
People can contact me by email.
It's cbowman at childpastalives.org.
And I get a few new cases every day.
So in that way, I can dialogue with parents through email, and I actually counsel them on how to help their children if the parents feel they need help.
Okay, give me that email address again.
C. Bowman.
C. Bowman at childpastlives.org.
And the website is www.childpastlives.org.
Alright, we've got a link to that site for those of you who are used to going to my site.
Just go ahead up there and scroll down to Carol Bowman's name and you'll go to her website and obviously you'll be able to send her email there.
When we come back we'll get into that story and when we go to the phones we'll get into your stories.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Tonight's program originally aired March 18th, 1999.
My guest is probably the world's authority on children's past lives.
Happens to be the name of her book.
She's Carol Bauman.
She'll be back in a moment.
The following comes from Jen, listening to my childhood radio station, WABC, talk radio in New York, New York City.
She's in Newark and she says, when my son was three and a half years old, now 18, I went to awaken him to get him ready for nursery school.
He kept his eyes closed and kept saying, not yet, not yet, I'm not finished.
I told him he could stay in bed for five more minutes.
Five minutes later, I dragged him out of the bed.
He was very angry with me in tone and action.
When I asked him why, he said he hadn't finished talking to your dead daddy yet.
His grandfather.
My son then went on to describe how he'd been a farmer on all of this land, and the earth was black.
He was wearing coveralls, had been working in the fields.
About 12 to 14 months later, I got a call from a maternal aunt informing me that as my deceased mother's oldest child, I had just inherited my mother's share of the family farm that had one of the blackest, richest soil In Nelson County, Virginia, to the very best of my knowledge, the farm has been in my mother's family for over a hundred years.
I feel like my great-great-grandfather came back five generations later through my son.
That's Jen in Newark.
Now we take you back to the night of March 18th, 1999 on Art Bell somewhere in time.
One more.
One more.
My son Art was born on 1-23-84, 7 weeks premature, weighed in at 3 pounds 3 ounces.
And I have two photographs I took of him in the incubator a few hours after his birth.
Both are identical, except that in the second picture, he has a long, red beard coming off his chin.
Today, he's 15, and guess what?
He has a long, red beard.
As soon as he became verbal, he told us he'd been a Mexican who had run the border to Los Angeles.
He had a sister in San Francisco named Naranya.
It means orange in English.
He had a nephew and niece.
He said he'd been killed by other Mexicans in Los Angeles and was dumped into a dumpster, still alive.
He told me Dad had smelled real bad in there.
At the time, I owned a market and 80% plus of my traffic were Mexican nationals.
I was concerned that as my place was a magnet for Mexicans, he might see and recognize his killer Which could have brought about another set of unfortunate experiences.
He remembered these things until he was about five, then forgot them.
It is an additional oddity that he was born to a woman who was incapable of conceiving.
Go figure.
Carol?
Yes?
Welcome back.
Thank you.
I mean, I just get these by the drove, and so...
Again, you know, I really think there's so much evidence, so much really hard evidence, so much of it verifiable, that it's a little like Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archaeology.
If it doesn't fit with what our faith or the Bible tells us must be so, we put it up on the shelf and we say it's forbidden, don't think about it, it doesn't happen.
Well, it is happening.
It's happening all over the place.
It has been, and I think now that the mass consciousness is catching up with it, it's going to happen more, too.
The story that you told is very typical of a lot that I get through email, through my website, and I want to point out, too, that there's something different about the American cases from the Indian cases that Dr. Stevenson investigates.
Interesting.
We don't know why, but Western cases don't have as much specific detail as Asian cases.
And it could be because the climate is, because of their belief systems in Asia, the climate is more fertile for these children to express their memories.
Of course.
But it's an interesting aspect to these memories.
But even one remark Made by a child could indicate a past life memory and sometimes they come so fast they knock you off your feet and you don't know what hit you.
You said you had a story.
Yeah, okay, this is a story.
I got this from a woman in Illinois by the name of Kathy.
In 1980, Kathy was a single teenage mother who lived with her grandmother.
She had a little boy by the name of James who was diagnosed with neuroblastoma.
It's usually a fatal disease and you have tumors all over the body.
At the time of James' death, he had a large tumor behind his left eye which caused blindness.
He had a tumor behind his right ear that had been biopsied and they had to insert a central line, an IV, on the right side of his neck.
He died at age two in 1980.
Kathy moved away, married, started a family, and had two children, then had her third child by c-section, a little boy she named Chad.
When they handed Chad to her in the hospital, he was blind in his left eye.
He had a tumor behind his right ear.
I'm sorry, not a tumor, a cyst, a functional cyst behind his right ear where James had the tumor and he had a very distinct birthmark scar on the right side of his neck.
And she took one look at him and said, how could this be?
But in an instant she felt that her son had returned.
Of course.
Chad started making specific statements about the life of James that he would have absolutely no way of knowing.
He asked to go to their other house and describe the apartment where she had lived with her grandmother.
He asked for a specific toy that had belonged to James, which he didn't own.
And he told his ten-year-old brother, I was here before.
I was very sick.
I died, but I came back.
At this point, Kathy contacted me to ask me if she was losing her mind.
And I assured her that she wasn't.
And we started talking about Chad's physical problems or defect, the blindness in his left eye, which related to the death of James.
And she said that she took him to every specialist in the Chicago area and they could find no physiological cause for his blindness.
So we went back and forth on the phone about a dozen times and she started processing the grief that she had contained over the death of James and I said you really need to acknowledge to Chad that you know he's back and he's now in a healthy body because as strange as this may sound children don't know sometimes that they've made the transition.
Young children think Almost a part of them is stuck back in the previous life.
That's where a parent can help them in assuring them that they're now in a new body and a new lifetime.
So she finally mustered her courage and sat Chad down on her knee and said, Honey, I don't really understand this, but I know you were my little boy before and you were very sick and you died and I was very sad, but now you're back in a healthy body.
Within 48 hours he came running to her, saying, Mommy, I can see now.
And he had partial vision in that left eye where he had been blind since birth.
Good Lord.
Yeah.
So, in a sense, this is an example of, as with my son, something physical that carries from lifetime to lifetime.
Which I can, which I believe can be healed.
If a child is allowed to express the past life, if they're acknowledged and they're assured that they're now in a new lifetime, which helps them gain completion on that transition.
Let me try this one out on you, Carol.
It departs a little from children, but there are some A few really giant things in life, giant imprints in our life.
If you were to look at a person's life as kind of an electronic bunch of noise, you would see these giant spikes.
One of the spikes in a lot of lives, Carol, would be the love of your life.
Your soul mate, I don't care, people call it a lot of things, the love of your life.
I can imagine If somebody comes back, whether they consciously do it or not, they would be in search of the love of their life.
And we have people who seemingly find this person that was meant for them, and this person was meant for them because they were in fact together before.
Right.
Does that make sense?
Oh, absolutely.
We do tend to, and I think that is determined in the planning process too, that there are very important people in our soul patterns who we are together with in many incarnations.
Exactly.
Not only because we have things to work out with them, but just because there's that strong love connection.
And that's what I'm seeing in these same family cases, too, where souls tend to reincarnate into the same family again.
They come because of this strong bond of love.
It would have been impossible for you to do what you have done without brushing up against near death and the ease and what people say about their near death experiences.
That's certainly another piece to this.
Is it?
In other words, do you regard it that way?
Have you done at least some research and does it seem to fit together?
Somewhat.
I think the piece that fits best is the fact that consciousness is viable after death.
We have this sensory body that's still operative after the physical body dies.
As far as going into the light and having everything resolved, I'm not finding that with the children's memories.
I'm finding that sometimes they pick up pretty much where they left off and continue.
That not a lot is mitigated in that interval between lives.
That's very surprising to me.
Do you think it is an eternal process, Carol, or do you think that eventually souls somehow, for lack of a better term, graduate?
Well, the best image that I've found that describes that comes from, I think, a Hasidic rabbi, and I can't remember who it is, but he said And this is according to the Kabbalah, which is the esoteric Jewish text, which describes reincarnation.
And he said, in our lifetimes, the purpose of life is to weave a garment of light.
And in some lifetimes, we add more threads of light, and in some lifetimes, we unravel some threads.
And to me, that image works best.
I think once we weave this garment of light, we become one with the Creator, or however you want to put it.
But we become light beings.
I think we are part of that universal energy without any resistance, and that's my understanding of it.
You said you've got a new book.
You're writing a new book.
Tell me about it again.
It's about reincarnation in the same family.
Children who die and come back to the same parents within a few years.
Grandparents who return as their own grandchildren.
These children are recognized by the surviving family members because of statements they make.
Quirky behaviors or mannerisms that they have that are exactly like the deceased.
Physical characteristics, like in the last story I told you about the little boy who came back with the physical characteristics of his older brother who died.
I'm going to be concentrating on these stories because these families knew the deceased intimately.
They knew the circumstances of the life and the death, and they're in a position to look at this new child and see where the soul left off, exactly what has carried over from lifetime to lifetime.
So I see these cases as extraordinary laboratories to study the mechanics of reincarnation.
All right, Carol, the Western limited look at or belief in reincarnation.
As you're expressing, and the one in India, as investigated by Dr. Stevenson and others, are in themselves quite radically different, because in India they believe that souls may well reincarnate in animals.
For that reason, I believe, they don't kill cows.
Isn't that true in India?
Right.
Is there any evidence in our investigation in the West of reincarnation that suggests such is the case?
I think in the hundreds of cases that I've seen, I've had one or two where a child claimed to have been an animal in a previous life.
Really?
Yeah, and I don't really know what to make of those, to tell you the truth, but I think it's possible if we're all energy and we're all part of one great consciousness anyway, maybe we can reincarnate as animals.
Maybe the whole thing is dependent on our belief systems.
Could that be?
Yes, definitely.
In fact, one really fascinating aspect of Dr. Stevenson's research is that in different cultures where they have very specific beliefs about reincarnation, as in the Pacific Northwest where there are some native tribes, and in certain tribes in Africa, If they have very specific beliefs on how we reincarnate, like you come back to the same family or whatever it is, it seems that belief creates what happens in a future incarnation.
That's really fascinating.
We create our own future.
Did you see What Dreams May Come?
You must have seen it.
Oh yes, I loved it.
You remember the last scene?
I remember every little tiny bit of that movie.
Do you remember how they met as children?
Of course!
And recognized each other?
Of course!
I love that.
It was an incredible movie.
Did not get the recognition that it deserved by a long shot.
I agree with you.
I thought it was Robin Williams' best.
All right, when we come back, what I would like to do is to take some stories from the audience, and perhaps you can help some people through some things that they're going through.
Sure.
Because I surely believe in this, so stay right where you are, Carol.
Carol Bauman is my guest.
She's probably the world's expert on children's past lives.
That is her book.
My guess is you can get that book at just about any store.
If they don't have it, I'm sure they can order it now.
Short of that, you can certainly go to my website.
Scroll down to the name Carol Bauman.
Go to her website.
There you will learn more.
You will read more.
You will have the opportunity to go and buy her book, I think, at Amazon.com.
Buy computer.
If there's a phone number to get her book, we'll tell you.
In fact, Carol, is there a phone number people can call to get your book or Is it generally available in stores nationwide still, or what?
We have copies of the hardcover that we're selling, but you can get the mass-market paperback.
You should be able to get it in any bookstore or through Amazon.
You have hardback copies, though?
Limited number, which we're selling ourselves.
We bought up the remainders on the hardcover.
Are you autographing?
Yes.
Who you are?
You can get my address through our website.
I could give it to you right now.
It's Carol Bowman, but it's pronounced Bowman.
Bowman?
B-O-W-M-A-N, and it's PO Box 4077, Elwynn, E-L-W-Y-N-P-A-19063.
We have a very limited number of those.
Okay, give it again, please.
It's P.O.
Box.
Carol Bowman.
Sorry about that.
B-O-W-M-A-N.
Yes.
P.O.
Box 4077.
L1-E-L-W-Y-N-P-A-19063.
And the paperback should be in most bookstores.
Definitely the big chains.
And you can get it through Amazon.com.
All right.
Good enough.
Hold it right there.
We'll be right back.
And when we get back, we'll open the phone lines.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM with Carol Bowman.
Oh, my.
Stay right there.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
You found someone blue And don't admit my brown eyes blue I'll be fine when you're gone.
Be it sight, sound, smell, or touch, there's something inside that we need so much.
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound, or the strength of an oak when it's deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing.
To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing.
To have all these things in our memories.
Come on, I'm the user, the compass, to the path of the...
So I can take back what's mine!
I can take back what's mine!
Why? Why does your soul take this place?
On this trip, just for me?
Ride, take a free ride, take the place, have a seat, it's all free.
I've been waiting for years, worked so hard just to win my fears.
Had to end my life before I left, but by now, I know I should have cried.
All by the grace, all by the grace, all by the grace.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
Good morning everybody.
Actually, when you listen to the words of this, they could even be talking about or singing about reincarnation.
Next time you get a chance to hear the words, check out yourself.
Take this ride for me.
Anyway, good morning.
Carol Bowman is my guest, and she's probably the world's foremost authority on children's past lives.
She'll be right back.
Tomorrow night, I'm going to have Cheveree Bird, who is the surviving widow of Christopher Bird, who wrote The Secret Life of Plants, and co-authored Secrets of the Soil, which has been reviewed Uh, very well indeed.
Boston Herald said a worthy sequel to Rachel Carson's Silent Spring.
And of course, you know about the secret life of the plants, so... Shubbery will be here tomorrow night.
We'll talk about all of that.
Once again, Carol Bowman.
Carol, just one quickie here, and then we'll go to the phones.
This is a fax for you, and it says... Alright, I can't get through to talk to Carol, so please ask her for me.
My three-year-old granddaughter ran into the kitchen and worriedly asked me, Grandma, are you going to die in the fire again?
Having been through a few past life sessions with Dr. Bruce Goldberg, I understood the question.
I hugged her and I said, No, honey.
I want to stay with you this time.
She smiled, went back to play.
In the last year to year and a half, I have not been able to get her to talk about it again.
She's terrified of things hot, like hot water.
Is this a connection, and how can I get her to talk about it?
It may be a connection to that previous life memory.
When she gets in a situation like that, I would just continue to reassure her that she is now safe.
That grandma is safe and that's something that happened a long time ago and that she's now in a different life.
Sometimes the children need continued assurances and reinforcement that whatever happened in the past is over.
Alright.
She replied.
I'm sorry.
Oh no, that's alright.
Go ahead.
Finish.
I was going to say her response was perfect.
Yeah, I thought it was good too.
All right, let's go to the phones.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Carol Bowman.
Hi.
Hi, my name's Eddie.
I'm from Kenosha.
Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Yes, sir.
And Art, I'd like to ask you a question or two first.
Can I do that?
Well, I would prefer that you do that in open lines, but if it's quick, go ahead.
All right, The Highwaymen.
The song you play.
The song, The Highwaymen, yes.
Yes.
Where can I get that?
What album is it, Art?
Do you know?
It is an album.
The title of the album is The Highwaymen.
That's actually a combination of several.
As long as you have the title of the album, you can walk in with that and you'll get it.
Great, thank you.
Carol, I experienced a reincarnation experience when I was three years old.
I asked my mother, she was ironing and I was playing around in the living room, and I asked her, Where I was before I was here, because I remembered a previous life.
She said, well, you were in the hospital.
I said, no, before that.
She said, well, you were in my tummy.
I said, no, before that.
She said, well, you were with God in heaven.
I said, no, I mean before that, because I told her I remembered all this.
She said, well, you didn't exist.
I said to myself, I will never forget this the rest of my life.
I remembered my past life and I still do.
When I was 32 years old, I had a head injury.
This head injury caused a stroke.
I was in the hospital, and I was in the emergency room, and I was dying.
I don't know if I was aware of this, but I was bleeding severely.
So they pushed me in the broom closet so the rest of the people in the emergency room could not see me.
And I remember dying in the previous fight.
Well, and I remember how I died.
Now, when I regained consciousness, which was much later, I knew that I had died and that I had an empty shell and I remembered my previous life and the life before that.
I believe that I've been reincarnated twice.
Once at birth and once the second time.
Once when you essentially died.
All right.
Carol, is that... Have you ever heard of anything like that?
Oh, it's not surprising.
I think we have multiple past lives.
Most of us probably have lived many times before.
And it sounds like he had a near-death experience.
It does, yes.
Yeah, and it sounds very likely that he would remember Um, previous death during that experience too.
I mean, it's all in keeping with what I'm finding.
Um, and I want to say when his mother told him he didn't exist before he was born, when you do something like that with a child, it's like giving them a slap in the face for telling the truth.
And that will shut a child down faster than anything.
Of course.
Yeah.
So a child is like, um, You know, I'll get slapped for the comparison, but it's like an animal.
They want to please you.
And if you tell them something like that, they're going to try and please you.
They're going to try to adjust their little brains to please you.
Yeah, and they pick up on cues very quickly.
They're going to block it out.
Yeah.
All right.
I think that's totally possible with this man was saying that he had these past life memories during this time of trauma.
Or near-death experience, whatever that was.
All right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Carol Bowman.
Where are you, please?
Yeah, I'm Dan from Worley, Idaho.
Hi, Dan.
Yeah, I'd like to share an experience with you.
I guess I'll start from the beginning.
When my father... I was about three, and my father was a police officer at the time.
His partner one day came up to him and said, you know, strangest thing, you know, I asked my son what he was before he died.
And his son said, well, I was I was a cop and I got shot and my name was so-and-so and I was shot by so-and-so.
And supposedly they thought it was kind of funny.
They looked into the records and they found out there was a cop named so-and-so that was shot by so-and-so.
Oh, I'd love to have that case.
And my dad came home and He sat me down and he asked me, what were you before you died?
I told him I was a soldier.
I was shot here and here by somebody in a tree.
I pointed to these two areas.
I was born with these scars on my abdomen.
I actually had three of them when I was born.
One of them disappeared throughout time.
My dad was a corpsman and he said they looked like bullet puncture wounds, scars.
Well, I told him I was shot here and here, and I was dying, and the monkeys stole my gold teeth.
And he thought, well, that's really strange.
Well, what kind of soldier were you?
Did you ride a horse?
And I said, no, no.
I was a good soldier.
I was a proud soldier.
And he asked, well, were you on a boat?
And I said, no, no.
And he said, well, what kind of soldier were you?
And I couldn't answer.
And he said, well, what did your flag look like?
and i said it was around and he kind of thought around okay well you know i
kind of lapped it off and i guess like three weeks later he was sitting down watching
uh...
old campaign footage from world war two and they showed japanese soldiers marching
and uh... my eyes lit up and i jumped up and i pointed the t.v. and was yelling you know that's what
i was that's what i was that's my flag
Oh my God, the rising sun.
And all of a sudden, it just dawned on him, round.
The rising sun.
The rising sun, yeah.
And he is somewhat of a historian, I guess, and he told me that, you know, I didn't hear this story, he didn't tell me about this until I was, you know, probably 15 or 16, but he told me that the Japanese referred to certain islanders as monkeys and the islanders used to take The funny thing is, like I said, I never heard this story until I was a lot older, enough to understand it at least.
Looking back, I've always had a deep passion for the Japanese culture.
The funny thing is, like I said, I never heard this story until I was a lot older, enough
to understand it at least.
Looking back, I've always had a deep passion for the Japanese culture.
I was a little kid building wooden samurai swords.
I'm an artist and I was into Japanese watercolor from as long as I can remember.
It was a really strange experience.
I've always believed in reincarnation because of that and I've got the scars to prove it.
I'd love to hear from you.
If you could email me and maybe I could interview you a little more, too.
But everything you're saying is very Very graphic example of what we've been talking about.
You had the physical marks.
Yeah, yeah.
You had the images, the memories.
Do you have a computer, sir?
No, I don't.
No?
Can you write a short letter?
Yeah, I can.
All right.
Carol, why don't you give your mailing address one more time?
Okay, I'd love to hear from you.
It's Carol Bowman, B-O-W-M-A-N, P.O.
WMAN PO Box 4077, Elwynn, E-L-W-Y-N, TA 190-4-0-0-1.
WYNTA190.org.
Okay.
I would love to correspond with you, because that's a very, very good story.
All right.
If you didn't get that, please, sir, pick up your pen and paper right now, and I'll repeat it.
It's Carol Bowman, B-O-W-M-A-N.
P.O.
PO Box 4077, Elwynn, that's E-L-W-Y-N, Pennsylvania, zip code 19063.
Box 4077.
That's a great story.
It has all of the elements in it.
Thanks for sharing that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Carol Bowman.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Carol.
This is Dana in Toronto.
I'm going to talk quickly because my phone's a bit wonky tonight and I might lose you through bad reception.
I know you're a bit of a film buff as well as I am, Art.
Oh, I am indeed.
A few times I've heard you talk about reincarnation.
Have you ever heard of a film called Walking After Midnight?
I have not.
Like the Patsy Cline song?
There's a variety of people.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah, I'm hearing that noise.
That's alright.
Go ahead.
There's a variety of people.
Martin Sheen recounts an experience while shooting Apocalypse Now.
Katie Lang.
I think Ringo Starr narrates, but the most intriguing story is of a little three-year-old
girl in India.
Like a child Carol mentioned earlier, one day the child took her new parents by the
hand and walked several villages away to a house to people they did not know.
Walked into the house, pointed out what used to be her guitar, what used to be her clothing.
In her prior life she was married to a very successful doctor who had murdered her.
They started digging into those details because they are so strongly into reincarnation there
and it went so far as to go to court and the man was convicted on this three-year-old child
Testimony?
Oh my gosh!
She was left for dead on the track.
She could recount everything.
And you know, aside from that being mind-blowing, she had an altar to him.
She still loved him in her new incarnation as a child.
She forgave him, you know.
So look for that film, Walking After Midnight.
It was made possibly in the mid-eighties.
I don't know the director or who produced it, but it's all about reincarnation.
And I mean, to actually have a man convicted, however many years later, it was just phenomenal.
You know, she could recount the details so well.
And can you still hear me?
Yes.
Yes.
Quite a long time ago.
I've been to Iraq art in the late seventies.
It's not a country that's easy to get in or out of.
And I've been working on the package and digging deep into my archives.
I also have some information for you via some people that were very high in the Canadian military regarded Regarding one of your favorite subjects, UFOs.
Alright, well if you would get that to me separately, or if you would send that to me by mail, I would appreciate it.
In the meantime, thank you very much for that story.
So there's a lot of people out there with stories like this.
Oh, what's for the Rockies?
You're on the air with Art Bell and Carol Bowman.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
This is Cece from Seattle.
I have memories of three distinct past lives, all three in which I died in childhood.
I also remember the between-life phase.
I've always had these memories from early childhood.
May I ask what you remember of the in-between time?
Well, it was just like being in a sense of floating in nothingness where you feel no pain, but you also feel no real distinct pleasure.
One thing I will say is that I always had an awareness that beyond the alluvial curtain, or whatever you want to call it, was the presence of God and that God would bring me forth out of it.
In the last life I died probably at oh I was probably only about an hour of age.
I died on a table in a hospital and I remember not being able to breathe and I remember the death process very very distinctly and I remember rising over my body and this exhilarating feeling.
It's an extremely pleasurable feeling and once you get into the death process itself and you feel like United with every atom or every molecule in the room.
It's like you can see, feel and touch everything in the room like it's part of your being.
And then all of a sudden being swooped into this kind of nebulous, dark state.
So actually once you get beyond the point of, let's say, fear of dying, it becomes a very pleasurable process.
And that lifetime, it's far more complicated.
I know we don't have a lot of time, but I also had a twin brother.
And the twin brother was taken, this was in the hospital during a birth, and the twin brother was taken into the next room because I think both of us were critical.
And I remember calling out psychically to the twin brother, let's go, this is awful.
And there were other things that went on in the room that made That particular life seemed most unpleasant.
I kept calling for him to go back to the way it was prior to when we were comfortable in the mother's abdomen and so forth.
I thought he was going with me prior to choosing to leave.
Once I went back into the nothingness phase, He didn't come with me.
All right, hon.
Hold on.
We're going to have to take a break.
If you want to hold through the break, I'll bring him up.
All right.
Stay right there.
Harold Bowman is my guest.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from March 18th, 1999.
The Coast to Coast is a news program that was created in 2011.
It's a story of a man who's been in the business for a long time,
and he's been doing it for a long time.
He's been doing it for a long time, and he's been doing it for a long time.
He's been doing it for a long time, and he's been doing it for a long time.
And in the way he ran us all, 10,000 people, maybe more.
And in the paper and a song Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking People hearing without listening
People talking without speaking, people hearing without listening,
People writing songs That voices never share
people writing songs that voices never share.
No wonder.
No wonder The stupid sound of silence
Things that I do not know Silence like a cancer grows
Here's my words that I might teach you Take my arms that I might lead you
But my words Like silent raindrops fell
I'll cry Echoing in the wind
Of silence You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier
Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from March 18th, 1999.
Carol Bowman is my guest from Pennsylvania, where it's getting to be very early or very late, depending on your point of view.
She's considered to be our nation's expert on the past lives of children.
Children's past lives.
That's the name of her book.
She's got a new one coming.
You want to read more?
Go to my website, scroll down to her name, and click on the link.
And she'll be right there for you.
Should be right back.
Sound of explosion Now we take you back to the night of March 18th, 1999
on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Music All right, here we go.
Back to Carol Bowman for what's going to be our final segment.
She's going to have to eventually get to bed here.
It's, let's see, coming up on probably five o'clock or so back there, huh?
Yes, it is.
And you're a daytime person?
Oh, yeah.
Well, if you can rally, I can rally tonight.
Good.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Carol Bowman and Art Bell.
Hi.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
Hi, I have a story to recount to Ms.
Bowman as well as a question.
The story is regarding my brother who is three years younger than me.
When we were children he had gone up to my grand-uncle and was telling him about how he remembers sitting on the porch with him when he was little and they were eating fruit together and talking and what not.
And, uh, my uncle had said to him, you know, we don't have a porch at our house.
And he said, um, he says, no uncle Bill, not that house.
He says the other house, the one with the gray porch.
And of course my, my uncle turned white and went to my family and had asked if we had ever seen pictures of his old house.
And they had said, no.
Um, in fact, they didn't have any pictures of his old house.
And he in turn recounted to my father, The story that my brother just told him and it turned out that there was a little boy that used to come up to his porch and sit and eat fruit with him when he lived in his earlier house, the gray porch.
And the child had died very young and I just thought it was kind of weird.
It gave me the chicken skin when I first heard it.
Yeah.
Interesting that he'd come back to be in your extended, in his extended family too.
He must have really liked your great-uncle.
He was a nice person.
We weren't a very close family, so we didn't get to see him that often, but he was my grandfather's brother, so he was very nice to us.
I do have a question, though, regarding reincarnation.
Actually, it's more of a comment.
I was wondering if either of you had heard this.
I was discussing with a woman that studies Bible with me, reincarnation.
And it came back to me that reincarnation is actually, because demons don't incarnate, they just go from person to person and inhabit souls for a little while and go on, that they're actually bringing memories of other people into that person's body.
Have any of you heard of this?
You mean spirit attachment?
Is that what you're talking about?
Well, it's actually saying that there's no such thing as reincarnation and the memories that you have of a past life are actually on the demons that inhabit you
at the time or bringing memories from another person
that doesn't really explain the birthmarks and
the whole compositive memory that children have from birth no but that is I've heard that before as a
a Christian explanation for washing away what we might think we know about reincarnation
You, I'm sure you've heard that, haven't you?
Yeah, but if you look at the evidence, it just doesn't hold up at all.
You know, we've been talking about the... Well, let me take their position for a second.
Well, the demons put the birthmarks there for exactly that reason, to lead you astray.
That's what they'd say.
Well, you know, nothing I could say could convince someone in that mindset that this is true.
You are so correct.
There's no point in going any further with it.
That's right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Carol Bowman and Art Bell.
Hi.
Yes, Art?
Yes.
Hey, how you doing, man?
Great show again, and I'd like to commend you just quickly the other night when you had Dr. Day on, how honest and how straightforward you were about where you were and what information she presented.
I really appreciated that.
And I'd like to ask Ms.
Bowman, regarding past life, these children that are At an early age, brilliant musicians, are they previously musicians that reincarnate and at such an early age children play brilliant music?
Oh, there's a pretty interesting question.
I suspect so.
I think it's probably the best explanation.
I have one case in my book about exceptional artists, two twins in the Chicago area who At age four we're doing extraordinary artwork and the mother was tucking one of the boys in one night and he told her, I'm so glad I'm remembering my art.
I was so afraid I would forget how to do this.
Both children had talked about their previous lives before so this was just another piece but it would be really wonderful if someone I believe that a lot of unlearned abilities in children or extreme talent are from past lives.
I mean, being a musician, at an early age I picked up an instrument and without any musical lessons I played.
I wasn't brilliant, but I played well.
I wasn't really encouraged.
I'm a self-taught musician.
I always wondered about that.
I always felt a sense of being an old soul.
When I spoke to my parents, of course, when you say parents have a tendency of shutting children down or just ignoring it, I always feel a sense of Frustration about that.
I'd like to ask you if there's any kind of therapy that could go back and unravel some of this past life energy to bring it forth.
Also, another question is if this is not fully expressed, can it manifest in some kind of imbalance in the body or some kind of dis-ease?
Absolutely.
It can manifest emotionally, physically.
You can get stuck in the past life experience.
There is past life regression.
Let me give you the name of an organization in California which is a clearing house for past life therapists.
It's the Association for Past Life Research and Therapies in Riverside, California.
and you can call them at 909-784-1570 and get a referral list of therapists in your
area.
Please send them a small donation to cover their mailing and copying costs because it's
a small organization and they're doing this service.
A past life regression could help you retrieve these memories and if there's anything you need to finish or resolve, with a competent therapist you can do that in usually a session or two.
Do I have time for another story from the book?
Yes, of course.
I just have one question for you first.
And it is this.
You talk about resolving issues with past life regression.
Would there ever be a time, Carol, when instead of resolving a problem, you might bring one on?
Probably not.
I believe that the unconscious in its wisdom will bring forth those memories that are beneficial.
If you're going into a therapy session with a particular issue, most often the past life that will emerge first will address that issue.
You said you had another story?
Yes, about unlearned abilities.
This came from a mother in California.
Her four-year-old went on a field trip with his preschool, and they went to a regional airport.
And this little four-year-old got into the cockpit of a small airplane with the pilot, and he knew exactly what to do to fly the plane.
And the pilot said, you know, if the kid had the key with the ignition, he would have taken off.
And shortly after that, the kid became obsessed with pictures of Japanese Zeros, planes from World War II.
So the mother astutely asked the child, did you ever fly one of those?
And he said, oh, yeah.
And she said, well, what happened?
He said, well, I crashed my plane into a ship.
And the same child, shortly after this experience, lost a button on his pants.
He went into his mother's sewing basket and threaded the needle and sewed the button on perfectly.
And this was something that the child was never taught.
So again, the mother picked up on this and said, well, where did you ever learn to sew a button?
And he said, well, when I was a sailor, I used to sew.
And she said, you were a sailor?
And he said, yes.
And he described his life in an old sailing vessel.
And the interesting thing is, when this child grew up, he's now a man, he joined the Navy and he was stationed in Japan.
The round flag.
Yeah.
So it all comes together.
It sure does.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Carol Bowman and Art Bell.
Hi.
Hello?
Hello.
Oh, my.
I don't know if I'm supposed to be on.
You told me to hold.
Well, that's why I said hold.
Now you're on.
Oh, OK.
Well, I was talking about having a twin brother and dying and then the between world.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, you were on earlier, weren't you?
Yeah.
OK, you're only allowed on once on.
I'm sorry.
I appreciate the call.
So many are trying to get through.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Carol Bowman.
Hi.
Hi, I'm Dee from California.
I actually contacted Carol about three years ago about an incident that I had with my son.
He was about five then.
He's nine now.
I was with my daughter.
We were in the bedroom.
We were looking through a photo album.
We were going backwards through the photo album.
We were looking at different family things that we had done.
My son peeked over my shoulder.
We were going through and we were laughing and stuff like that.
We got to the beginning of the photo album.
And it was of him being born and all of a sudden he burst out crying and he said, no, no, no, I didn't want to be born again.
And it took me by surprise and I tried to comfort him and I said, no, you know, dogs and cats are born as puppies and kittens and they grow up and they get older.
And he said, no, no, no, I didn't want to be born again.
And it takes so long to be a grown up and I don't want to have to wait that long.
And I immediately kind of fell into a shock and tried to comfort him.
I kind of knew what was going on but I wasn't really sure.
And so then I heard Carol on a radio program and found her email address and emailed you.
And I emailed you on a Sunday and you emailed me right back.
And your explanation was that you thought that I had actually regressed him by going backwards.
It's funny because you were mentioning earlier about how they have a hard time realizing the transition.
Yeah.
And I caught him a couple of times on the stairs crying that he didn't want to be alive and that he was tired of being somebody else.
And I took him to a therapist and the therapist was, you know, your regular therapist.
I tried to explain to her about what was happening, and I tried to introduce the past life experience, and she was very, you know, do you believe in reincarnation?
And I told her, you know, I like to entertain that thought, but I don't instill it in my children.
And basically we stopped seeing that, but I have a question, too.
I mean, right now, he does not remember anything, but he has a huge fear of rain, and he has a huge fear of Being out in the rain.
And as a little child he had separation anxiety to the point where if we were outside mowing the lawn or if we were upstairs he would scream wanting to know where we were.
And now he's better.
He has a little bit of separation anxiety.
He's nine now.
But he does have this huge fear of the rain.
He's at an age where it might be appropriate to take him to a past life therapist.
Something like that could be remedied in one session.
Right.
If it is related to a past life memory, I would also scan back and see if there was anything at all during your pregnancy, preconception that may be related to that.
That's the place to start.
Look at this life first.
Right.
Make out why he has this phobia.
Then go back.
Yeah, then go back.
But, you know, be sensible about this and don't start looking for past life causes for everything.
No.
And actually, it was interesting because I did try and go with it and ask him questions.
And he'd waver in and out.
He'd be confused.
He was kind of almost in a state and then he'd come out of it.
And after the whole incident with the photo album, I mean five minutes later he was running around the house chasing his sister and being a normal kid again.
It was very strange.
That state comes and goes very quickly.
And you might be able to help him yourself by just waiting for a quiet time and asking him if he sees any images or gets any impressions about the rain.
Or ask him like the hypnotherapist asked my son.
Close your eyes and tell me what you see.
It was very painful for him.
I felt, especially at the part where he didn't want to be alive, and I hugged him and told him how happy I was and how sad I would be if he wasn't here.
He was feeling a lot of pain and I could feel that pain.
I could understand what he was going through almost and I didn't want to push him any further because he was going through something that was obviously very traumatic for him at a very young age and he couldn't
understand it.
Right.
Did she do the right thing?
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.
Did she do the right thing?
Reassuring him and realizing too that this is probably what it is, quite literally, is
something he remembers from the past.
And by doing that you can ground him in this reality by the constant reassurance that we're
so glad you're here.
All right, I would like to apologize to that poor lady.
children is why you do not drive nor do talk shows on drugs That lady I put on hold, who I said, were you on before?
She said yes, and I just cut her off like there was no tomorrow.
I'm sorry about that, ma'am.
You're out there somewhere in the ether, I know.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Carol Bowman and not a lot of time.
Hi.
Hi, Eric.
How are you?
Okay.
Hey, I got a quick question for Carol, and I also got a story that'll make your chicken skin cluck.
We don't have a lot of time, so lay it out.
Well, real quickly, Carol, have you, through your research, have you ever found with religious families where they try to tell the child that it's just fantasy, stop playing, and basically force them out of remembering this kind of stuff?
Well, I wouldn't hear about those cases because they would never get as far as me.
Sure.
Okay.
Well, anyhow, my story real quickly here.
A friend of mine, about ten years ago, her daughter was in the back seat of my car.
We got stuck in some construction right outside of our town and there's a cemetery over there that's like a turn of a century.
There can't be more than maybe a hundred graves in there.
And she just nonchalantly looked out the window while she was playing with her dolls and she Johnny lives there now.
And we just kind of looked at her kind of strangely and we asked her to repeat it and she said, Johnny lives there now.
Well, her mom asked her, well, who's Johnny?
She said, it's my daughter's father.
And she got a little bewildered about it and she asked her, she says, well, what's your daughter's name?
And we thought she was talking about her baby dolls.
And she turns around and she says, Well her name is Kelly Bailey and she goes back to playing with her baby dolls and she's only five years old.
Well it was kind of weird and the next day we went walking around the cemetery because I was kind of curious about the age of the headstones and stuff out there.
Very quickly.
Well we found a headstone in there that said Jonathan Bailey and it said that it was The gentleman had passed away during the Indian Wars and we just kind of found that real freaky.
Well she's Catholic so she tried pressing this off as something else and she left town and she's never been back.
I would say there could be several explanations for that.
One is quite literally that she was connected to this person in the past and it appears that souls are often brought back to the same geographic locations again.
So, it would make sense that she would reincarnate.
Of course.
You know, maybe a hundred years later in the same location.
Another explanation could be that she was picking up some psychic impressions.
Okay.
And we can't rule that out, either.
Well, what we have to do, though, is stop here.
Carol, get some sleep, and thank you for being on the program.
Oh, thanks, Art.
It was great.
Good night.
Thank you.
All right, well, that's all the time we have tonight.
I'm sorry to say...
Because I really could keep going, bad, back, and all.
It has been an interesting night.
I really, really, really wanted to get what we got on the air with Carol Bowman on.
And we did.
It should give you a lot of food for thought about who we are, who we were, and who we might be.
And perhaps you will act accordingly if you come to believe all this.
I'm Art Bell, from the high desert, Nital.
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