Dec. 28, 1998 - Art Bell
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| This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
| Now again, here's Art. | ||
| Once again, here I am, and I always use this bumper music because that's how Robert Wraith got my attention the first time. | ||
| He said, want to take a ride? | ||
| And a ride, indeed, it has been. | ||
| Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed are my guests tonight. | ||
| Dr. Jonathan Reed had an encounter with an alien being and an obelisk in the woods in Washington. | ||
| We have done, I think, two prior shows on this, and actually, the other night, Bob Kiviot said to me on the phone as we were doing the show on the alien hoax thing that ran tonight, that in his opinion, this now rises to the level of the alien autopsy, and it'll probably be in his next program. | ||
| So, there you are. | ||
| Tonight, we're going to do, I guess we'll do a recap on the incident itself, and we'll try and keep that short. | ||
| And we'll follow that up with your questions. | ||
| Now, let me advise you that photographs of the story that you're about to hear are on my website. | ||
| In fact, there are two brand new ones that just got on my website because the good doctor just sent them to me last week. | ||
| These photographs show in great detail the side of the alien head, the unseen side, the other side, the unhurt side. | ||
| And they also show the doctor examining the eye of the alien. | ||
| Now, in World's Greatest Hoaxes, that was pretty well panned with the exception of one call last hour, they said, you've got to know where this stuff comes from. | ||
| They kept saying that in the show. | ||
| In this case, we know where this stuff comes from. | ||
| It comes from Dr. Reed, who's my guest. | ||
| He'll be up shortly. | ||
| Now, once again, I want to preface what's about to happen by telling you that Dr. Reed has sent me two new photographs of the absolutely astounding apparent encounter that Dr. Reed had with this alien. | ||
| And these new photographs are even more detailed, closer up, and more amazing. | ||
| So if you want to see the latest, they went up actually this weekend, this last weekend, or at the beginning of the holiday weekend. | ||
| And they are on my website now. | ||
| So if you have access to a computer, or you can get to a computer, do it. | ||
| And go to my website at www.artbell, that's A-R-T-D-E-L-L dot com. | ||
| www.artbell.com, no capitals, just like that. | ||
| Artbell.com. | ||
| And you will see in the new section an announcement of the two latest photographs received. | ||
| Two new Jonathan Reed alien photos is what you want to click on and take a look. | ||
| Now, Robert Rafe introduced me to Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
| Asked me if I wanted to take a ride and what ride it's been. | ||
| Let me bring him on. | ||
| Robert, are you there? | ||
| I am here. | ||
| And you are located where? | ||
| In Seattle. | ||
| Seattle. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
| Hello, Eric. | ||
| Hi there. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| I'm just fine. | ||
| You are located at an... | ||
| Under a rock. | ||
| Under a rock somewhere, huh? | ||
| You are a research psychologist. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Yes, I was. | ||
| Doctor, it was brought to my attention in the last hour that you might be a research psychologist researching the public reaction to a hoax. | ||
| Would you like to comment on that? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If I was doing that and I could justify spending two years of my life out of commission, so to speak, that would be an interesting way to go. | ||
| But that's not true. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| Well, I had to ask, since the person brought it up, I thought it was a legitimate question. | ||
| It was a good question. | ||
| Both of you, Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed, before we encapsulate the story for the audience that might not have heard it, first of all, did you both see the Hoaxes the Hoax show tonight on Fox? | ||
| Well, I saw it. | ||
| Yes, I thought it. | ||
| Oh, you both saw it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Might I get your reactions? | ||
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Well, my reaction is I wasn't too impressed with it. | |
| It seems like debunking is becoming a cottage industry. | ||
| It just seems that people are writing books about it now, they're making money off of it, and that's what it's all about. | ||
| I didn't find that anything in there really worked for me as far as being a smoking gun at all. | ||
| And the alien autopsy footage, that whole pen thing, I've never seen it, I've never heard about it. | ||
| You know, Bob Kiviat did mention it on the show. | ||
| I mean, how do I know exactly and truly what relationship it had with the actual alien autopsy that we all viewed and the one that we all know about? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Doctor? | ||
| Yes, I found it fascinating from the standpoint that the only thing it proved to me was it's one more huge attempt of disinformation. | ||
| I mean, it proves to me that the disinformation campaign has risen to such a height that Hollywood is behind it from the standpoint of it's making money for certain sources. | ||
| And it's also creating, if nothing else, a balance. | ||
| You know, on one side you have the believers and the people that bring up evidence and have stories of their own. | ||
| And now you have the other side of the coin. | ||
| So if nothing else, it's creating a balance. | ||
| But I didn't think it caught my attention in the way I hoped it would. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Then you heard Robert Kimiot on my show, obviously, last week and then got to see the program as well. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| I almost feel like a police detective asking somebody to go over a story for the millionth time, Doctor. | ||
| But if there's a way to encapsulate the story into 15 or 20 minutes, I sure would love to do that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because obviously there are going to be some people who have not heard this story before. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah, for their sake, let us tell the story and then go to the audience and see what kind of questions they have. | ||
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Great. | |
| Thank you for this opportunity again, Ark. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| And Robert, thank you for bringing the good doctor to me. | ||
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Oh, you're very welcome, Ark. | |
| So fire away, Doctor. | ||
| What happened to you? | ||
| Can we? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, this all took place in October of 1996. | ||
| And it was about 60 miles east of Seattle and about 15 miles northeast of Snow Palmy Pass in the state of Washington. | ||
| Okay, that pins it down. | ||
| Okay, I had taken my dog and myself, my dog's name is Susie, on a day hike, which we had done often. | ||
| And Washington State is a beautifully picturesque state to be with your dog and in the wilderness and in the natural settings. | ||
| It's just a beautiful state. | ||
| We had taken a day hike, gone out where I could let her run and where both of us could just take a day away from the city. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I had parked my car and been walking for about an hour and a half to two hours. | ||
| So you're quite a ways in. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is definitely a heavily forested area, dense foliage, thick tree canopy, definitely the woods, not a public park. | ||
| And we had been walking for some time and nothing outstanding happened other than earlier in the day we had spotted the deer. | ||
| And of course, when wildlife appears, a dog will take off and go running. | ||
| And that was the case. | ||
| At times, Susie would take off, you know, like a bolt and come back ten minutes later, you know, all tuckered out, but, you know, probably treeing a raccoon or a squirrel or who knows what. | ||
| Dog fun. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Yep, of course. | ||
| And Susie, you know, being still young, she was about seven years old, still had a lot of venom and vigor and was able to tackle the hills and the trails without any problem. | ||
| So she would, like I say, take off after almost anything. | ||
| We had been walking for some time and all of a sudden she took off and I heard her barking up ahead on the trail. | ||
| And the barking changed its tone. | ||
| It got very, very serious. | ||
| It was almost as if the dog was being treed instead of the dog treeing something else. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And I got to thinking that possibly this could be a bear, because there are bear in the area of the Cascade Mountains here. | ||
| And so I got a little nervous, and the barking persisted to get louder and louder and fiercer and more fierce by the moment. | ||
| Yeah, you can tell the difference between a dog aggressively going after something, which is certainly an aggressive bark, and a dog in distress. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Big difference. | ||
| And this was getting more in distress by the seconds. | ||
| At that point, I kind of took off my pack. | ||
| I had a J-pack, and kind of threw it down and was walking up a gradual slope up the hill and decided that I'd better pick up maybe a heavy branch or a stick to possibly defend off, you know, a bear. | ||
| And so I grabbed the stick, I ran up the hill, and as I crested the hill, I saw my dog involved with this creature. | ||
| At that point, I didn't know what it was. | ||
| All I could tell was the dog had the creature by the arm, and it was nothing I had ever witnessed before. | ||
| Can you, from memory, describe at that point from the top of the hill what it appeared to you to be or what your first impression was? | ||
| My first impression was that it was probably a child because it was childlike in size. | ||
| It had two arms, two legs, and a head, and I was approximately 25 feet away from it at that point. | ||
| And it was moving very, very fast, very rapid motion. | ||
| And I think in my mind at that moment, Even though it was standing in a fixed position, it was vibrating somewhat like a can of paint and a paint shaker. | ||
| No, I've seen them. | ||
| It almost created a blur, except I could see the dog was clamped on to its forearm. | ||
| And either the dog was trying to get away or the creature was trying to get away. | ||
| Now here's something I had not asked you before. | ||
| While the creature was moving in the manner you described and the dog had hold of it, was the dog also moving in that manner or did it not appear that way? | ||
| It appeared that the head of Susie, the head of my dog, was also shaking violently. | ||
| But the rest of her was pretty much in one place trying to get footing. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| At that point, you know, I don't know what took over. | ||
| I looked at this. | ||
| I yelled as loud as I could, Susie, let go, you know, get away from that thing, thinking Susie was attacking it. | ||
| And at that moment, I started to witness the dog's actual physical body starting to deteriorate, starting to almost implode, the skin and snout of her head peeling back against the back of her neck. | ||
| And this was all happening in just seconds. | ||
| And in between second to second, I would see this thing stop shaking with its head, the body still moving very vibrantly, and stop and look at me, staring at me, and then turn back and again back to Susie. | ||
| Well, at that point, I ran forward with my bat, my wooden bat, and jumped straight in front of it and clubbed it. | ||
| And this all happened within about 20 to 30 seconds. | ||
| And when you clubbed it, was it still vibrating at that point? | ||
| Yes, it had turned back to me, looked once again, then turned away, back turning its head back towards Suzy. | ||
| And so you let it have it? | ||
| And I swung like I've never swung before. | ||
| Like you were going for a home run. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And you obviously crushed this. | ||
| Well, as I swung, I screamed. | ||
| It let out a scream, as I remember, at the same moment, and I hit the left side of the creature's head hard enough to slam it backwards and to one side about four feet. | ||
| And at the same time this was happening, my dog was literally imploding into nothing. | ||
| Almost evaporating. | ||
| And that was the end of Susie, huh? | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| That's the last time you ever saw your dog. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Obviously, you connected well with this alien skull. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We have photographs showing what appears to be blood coming from the skull, but that, of course, was taken later. | ||
| It is blood. | ||
| It is blood. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| Is it blood as wheat? | ||
| It was dark, dark red. | ||
| Very, very similar to human blood. | ||
| Okay, so now we've got dog imploded. | ||
| We've got alien on the ground and apparently dead. | ||
| Did you conclude, I'm sure you were in a state of shock by this time, but did you conclude you had killed this creature? | ||
| I, at that moment, didn't assume anything. | ||
| My logic was fairly gone at that point. | ||
| I was an emotional wreck. | ||
| My dog was gone. | ||
| I wasn't sure what had happened to Susie. | ||
| I even remember standing up, calling her, as if maybe I had imagined that moment. | ||
| But later on found next to where she was a light dusting of what looked like a white ash material. | ||
| In other words, that was all that was left of Susie. | ||
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Yes. | |
| All right, we'll pick it up at that point when we come back. | ||
| My guests are Dr. Jonathan Reed, whose story you're hearing right now, and Robert Wraith, who connected me with him. | ||
| I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast, A.M. Back now to Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith. | ||
| Gentlemen, welcome back. | ||
| And Doctor, let us continue. | ||
| At this point, your dog is dead, or at least disappeared. | ||
| The alien or creature is lying on the ground with a big hole in the side of its head and bleeding red, dark red blood. | ||
| And what do you do? | ||
| At that point, I took a hard look at what was laying on the ground and determined that it wasn't any child. | ||
| And my mind started wandering. | ||
| It started thinking, you know, what is this thing? | ||
| What have I done? | ||
| Where is my dog? | ||
| And things became very, very disoriented. | ||
| I was very, very violently sick by thinking, what had I just killed? | ||
| Was this some other kind of human? | ||
| Was this an experiment? | ||
| Was this some bioengineering event? | ||
| You know, a lot of different criteria went through my mind at that time. | ||
| But I was violently ill. | ||
| I was also throwing up and Yeah, as a matter of fact, we played the tape of that earlier. | ||
| It's on your videotape. | ||
| Of course, we pulled the audio from it. | ||
| You were violently ill. | ||
| There was no question about that. | ||
| Robert, you were about to say something? | ||
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Yes, also the atmosphere surrounding the whole situation was different. | |
| The air became very dense, and it was at first very hard for Jonathan to even move. | ||
| The other thing was the creature let out a screech, which you could see, again you could see the air bubbling around It as it did this. | ||
| It was almost like it was visual. | ||
| Like the sound became visual. | ||
| Almost like you see mirages of heat separating off a surface in the sun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It became almost a visual sound. | ||
| That's hard to explain. | ||
| No, that's fine. | ||
| I think I can grasp that. | ||
| Time-wise, Doctor, at this point, how much time do you think passed before you began to regain your observation sense? | ||
| Well, the best that I can comprehend is about 45 minutes to an hour. | ||
| You just sat there? | ||
| I sat there. | ||
| I moved over. | ||
| I got up, tried to walk, and couldn't, and fell back down to my knees, and was so emotionally distraught that I was moaning and sobbing at what had happened, especially to my dog. | ||
| And that also is very apparent in the videotape that hardly anybody has seen, by the way, of course. | ||
| Assume they will. | ||
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Add that to the screen from the alien and all that, too, took away from some of his faculties at the time. | |
| All right. | ||
| So 45 minutes passes and you don't really, you're not really observing anything. | ||
| You're in a state of shock. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And at that point, I started to try to pull myself together, walking away from this scene to focus on something else, anything else. | ||
| And again, very, very seriously sick and very weak. | ||
| And at this point, I started to hear something else, like a sound that I had never heard before, almost a harmonic type of vibration sound. | ||
| And it just barely lifted on the wind. | ||
| But at first, I thought, ah, maybe it's another hiker or a camper. | ||
| Maybe somebody can help me. | ||
| Because at that point, I knew I was so sick that I barely could stand for more than maybe a minute or two without falling down and sitting back down. | ||
| So I tried to get some kind of vector on where the sound was coming from, but it was almost impossible. | ||
| So I picked myself up and started to walk back down the trail where I had been, where I had dropped my pack, and still could not clearly hear where it was coming from, but I was grabbing at straws at that point. | ||
| And I ran farther back down the trail, and at that point I did not see anything. | ||
| So I kind of stopped, again, got sick, turned around, started to walk back toward my pack. | ||
| And at that point, through the brush, approximately 300, well, maybe 150 to 250 feet away at that point, I saw something out of the ordinary. | ||
| When you're in the woods, you see brush, you see trees, you see rocks, you see ground cover. | ||
| But what I saw was nothing that belonged there. | ||
| This was a black shape, almost a diamond shape, like a marquee diamond. | ||
| And for those who don't know, what we are about to dub the obelisk is also on my website to be viewed. | ||
| You can see what the doctor is talking about right now if you get up there. | ||
| Yeah, kind of like a diamond shape. | ||
| I would certainly, I'm sitting here looking at it right now. | ||
| It was approximately 8 or 9 feet long, about 2.5 feet in height, and about 4 feet wide. | ||
| You do not believe this was a ship, do you? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I never thought of it as a get-on-board craft. | ||
| I think it had something to do with communication between the E.T. and something else. | ||
| And I dubbed it the obelisk. | ||
| You called it the obelisk? | ||
| Somebody writes and simply asks, what is an obelisk? | ||
| Why did you decide to call it that? | ||
| Well, if you look up the definition of an obelisk, it's actually between Robert and I, we coined that term to give it a name. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But if you look at the definition of it, it's an unknown rectangular or dimensional shape, a point of reference. | ||
| Well, that sure fits that category. | ||
| So at that time, I took a good look at it. | ||
| I tried to, I stumbled my way closer to it, and I did hear that the sound was coming from that source. | ||
| As I walked up to it, I noticed that it was not sitting on the ground. | ||
| It was actually above the ground. | ||
| Hovering in the air. | ||
| Some three to three and a half feet above the air. | ||
| That scale would be about right. | ||
| It was not moving. | ||
| It was stationary, as if it was anchored to the air. | ||
| I walked around it. | ||
| I looked under it. | ||
| I looked over it. | ||
| It had no appendages. | ||
| It had no wheels. | ||
| It had no anything to hold it down. | ||
| No visible means of support. | ||
| And at that point, again, I felt I'm losing my mind. | ||
| I've got to be losing my mind. | ||
| This just defies everything I know about aerodynamics and about anything physical I had ever seen. | ||
| You touched it then, didn't you? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| I stumbled up the hill toward it as I had circled it, and it was making this harmonic, very, very soft tone, but it was irritating at that point. | ||
| It was an irritating sound. | ||
| And I wanted to see what the surface felt like. | ||
| And I put my hand out and touched it, and it was very hard like stone, like granite. | ||
| It was black, and it was shiny, and it almost had a depth to the surface. | ||
| And it was cold, and it was cold like dry ice. | ||
| In fact, as I touched it, I burned my hand. | ||
| I actually felt like I had burned it as if you touched dry ice. | ||
| Now, that's very interesting. | ||
| Did you actually did you suffer burns that you documented at all, Doctor? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| On my hand, I actually had a physical burn and scar about a little under an inch, right on the right below my thumb, on the inside of my hand. | ||
| At that point, I pulled my hand back, as you would if you burned yourself. | ||
| And this was a very rugged part of the woods, and I'm stumbling around, and as you jerk back, I lost my balance. | ||
| And I leaned, I actually leaned into it and put both of my forearms against it. | ||
| And at that point, it changed sound, and the sound became extremely soft and pleasant. | ||
| It made a different tone, almost like it had changed octaves. | ||
| At the exact moment you connected with it. | ||
| When I fell against it. | ||
| Fell against it, behind. | ||
| And then again, I tried, I actually hit it with my hand as if to move it, like to push against it, and this thing would not budge. | ||
| It was as if it was ten tons stationary on the ground, but not one part of it was touching the ground. | ||
| All right, time-wise, how much time did you spend in the area of the obelisk? | ||
| At that point, probably about 10 or 15 minutes. | ||
| At which point, I take it, you returned to the area of the creature that you had hit? | ||
| I sat back down on the ground, trying to again keep from being dizzy and throwing up. | ||
| I made my way back about another 40 feet back to where my pack was and grabbed in my pack. | ||
| I did have some water. | ||
| I took some water. | ||
| At that point, I walked back to where the creature was, where Susie was. | ||
| At this point, realizing that I had killed something and it wasn't a child. | ||
| My dog was nowhere to be found. | ||
| There were no signs of movement from the creature at all at that time. | ||
| There were no signs of movement at all. | ||
| And I had at that point totally realized that in clobbering the head of this creature, I had killed it. | ||
| Now I started to think about, you know, what am I going to do? | ||
| Nobody's going to believe me. | ||
| Or maybe you're going to be charged with murder. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And all of these things went spinning in my head. | ||
| And I had already been spinning with all that had happened. | ||
| And tried to get enough strength up to say to myself, what am I going to do? | ||
| And at that point, I started thinking, well, nobody's going to believe this. | ||
| Nobody's going to see this. | ||
| But I remembered that I had my cameras with me. | ||
| I had a video camera with me and I had a 35mm camera with me. | ||
| And I thought... | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I didn't do a lot of it, but I did some of it. | ||
| I mean, our wilderness area is so pristine and so beautiful that you occasionally will run across two or three deer. | ||
| I've seen raccoons. | ||
| I've seen all kinds of creatures in the woods. | ||
| So that's why you have the cameras? | ||
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Yes. | |
| All right. | ||
| So you had the presence of mind to get your cameras out, and what did you take photographs of? | ||
| I started taking photographs of everything. | ||
| I took, started at the point of where Susie had fallen, where the creature had died, taking pictures of the body, the head, the entire scene. | ||
| So there's a whole lot I have not seen yet in terms of photography. | ||
| You have pictures of the alien in the woods and the area where Susie had been. | ||
| Well, a lot of the evidence and the photographic evidence that I had at that point that I had taken in the woods is gone. | ||
| Is gone. | ||
| I do not have all of it. | ||
| What happened to it? | ||
| It was either stolen or taken from me by other means. | ||
| Well, you sure had enough. | ||
| I mean, what I've got here is astounding. | ||
| I had three rolls of film with me, 35mm film, when I was in the woods. | ||
| And out of the woods scene, I don't have very much of the alien, but I do have quite a bit of the obelisk. | ||
| Okay, and I have two of the obelisk pictures, photographs up on my website. | ||
| Now, people really should look at these. | ||
| And by the way, there has been some, you know, armchair quarterbacking going on regarding the obelisk. | ||
| I think somebody put one up on a website and said, see, look, it's the same one, but it actually went up on the website after your photograph, so that doesn't count. | ||
| With regard to the alien, people have complained that all they see is the head and the, I think, the arms, and they don't see. | ||
| But we're getting ahead of ourselves. | ||
| Anyway, you packed up, you had a sort of what, a heat, what would you call that, a thermal blanket? | ||
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A thermal blanket or something? | |
| I had a thermal blanket in my pack for safety's sake. | ||
| When you hike in the woods, you never know what's going to happen. | ||
| You could fall. | ||
| You could break your leg. | ||
| You may be there for days. | ||
| So you take some basic rations with you, and one of those is the thermal blanket. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| It's a very lightweight, almost a mylar-based piece of material that's reflective and totally will block the wind and will keep you alive in the case of an emergency. | ||
| Well I had that with me. | ||
| At that point I had taken every picture I could take. | ||
| I had exhausted that. | ||
| I thought, okay, I'll go back. | ||
| Maybe I can hide this thing, this creature, to keep from animals getting at us. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I thought, well, if I pick up enough rocks, I could cover it with rocks, and that would help. | ||
| Well, none of the rocks in the area were loose enough to do that with. | ||
| Then I thought about, well, I've got the thermal blanket. | ||
| Maybe I can wrap it up in the thermal blanket, put it against the hillside, and cover it with branches. | ||
| So I started to do that. | ||
| I laid the thermal blanket out, and even though I didn't want to, I rolled this creature into this thermal blanket. | ||
| And as I rolled it up, like a burrito, and it was surprisingly light. | ||
| It weighed only about 50 pounds total in weight. | ||
| The creature was only 53 inches tall. | ||
| So very light, very thin. | ||
| And I rolled it up and I moved it and I realized this thing was so light and I started looking for a place to put it. | ||
| And as I grabbed it in one arm, I grabbed my pack with the other and I started walking down the trail to find a place to hide this thing. | ||
| You were moving back toward the direction you had originally come from. | ||
| Yes, it was time to go home. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And again, I was feeling sick. | ||
| I was feeling dehydrated. | ||
| I had exhausted my water supply. | ||
| And I was approximately one and a half hours from my car. | ||
| But I figured I will find a place somewhere along the way. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So that later I can bring someone back who can help me. | ||
| And I can show this thing to them. | ||
| Makes sense, sure. | ||
| Because this was something to be seen. | ||
| This was something like I had never seen before. | ||
| I never. | ||
| I was never a believer of UFOs or aliens or conspiracies. | ||
| I was a disbeliever. | ||
| But this changed my mind. | ||
| Yeah, that would do it. | ||
| And so somehow you made it all the way back to your car with this creature. | ||
| That's an hour and a half walking with the creature, is that right? | ||
| That's about right. | ||
| Stopping along the way to regain some strength. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'll hold it right there. | ||
| I thought we could do this a little faster, but obviously we've got to get it all in. | ||
| We're most of the way there. | ||
| There is more to tell, and then we're going to let you ask questions. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We are intentionally now leaving some details that we gave you before out in the interest of time, and even doing that, we have not unwound the story in the time I wanted. | ||
| So, Dr. Reed, here you are. | ||
| Now you've got the alien finally back, or this creature, back to your automobile. | ||
| Right, I got him back in my car. | ||
| Right. | ||
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I drove home to my house. | |
| It was about an hour and 15 minutes away. | ||
| That must have been some drive. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Stopping a couple of times to regenerate myself from being sick, relieved myself. | ||
| And back in the car, home I went, pulling into my carport, to make a long story short, and looking back in the rearview mirror, seeing what I had in the back end, which reiterated the fact that this wasn't reality. | ||
| At that point I got out, I went in the house, I thought about calling my girlfriend, tried to call her, she wasn't home, left a message, called my best friend, he wasn't home, left a message, decided what am I going to do with this thing? | ||
| And so I eventually went back out to the car, took it out of the back of my Jeep, took it into the garage, and put it in my freezer. | ||
| In your freezer? | ||
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| Okay. | ||
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Where would you put it? | |
| Yeah, I guess if you want to preserve something that's dead, you put it in a freezer. | ||
| I guess that's what I'd put. | ||
| And I don't mean that sarcastically. | ||
| No, no, no, it's a fair question. | ||
| Really, where would you put it? | ||
| It's going to deteriorate. | ||
| I didn't want to bring it in the house. | ||
| I didn't want to look at it. | ||
| I hear that. | ||
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And he thought of burying it, but at that time, he couldn't bring himself to do it. | |
| You did think of burying it? | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| I wanted to get rid of this. | ||
| I didn't want to have anything to do with this. | ||
| Boy, I'm not sure I'd want to have it sitting in there on top of my TV dinners and pizzas, but. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| And again, to make the long story short, about three and a half days later, I went back out to the freezer, hearing a noise which I thought might have been rats or the compressor going out. | ||
| And I looked around, and no, the compressor was working, and everything seemed okay. | ||
| But I heard what sounded like a scratching sound coming from what I thought was behind the freezer, but then I realized, no, I don't think it's behind the freezer. | ||
| And I thought, okay, well, I'll just open the lid. | ||
| And all of a sudden, I realized that my extraterrestrial was no longer dead or never had been. | ||
| At this point, it was moving and turned its head and moved its arm. | ||
| And I screamed. | ||
| It screamed. | ||
| I slammed the lead and ran to the house. | ||
| You actually have that scream on tape, don't you? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Would you be willing one last time for us, please? | ||
| There are a number of people who would like to hear that, too. | ||
| Maybe play it. | ||
| Can you play that for us? | ||
| Yeah, just let me get it in the machine. | ||
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while he's doing that it's important to know that jonathan freaked out pretty bad when he thought he was alive it wasn't anything I mean, he really lost it. | |
| Yeah, listen to me. | ||
| I'm telling you, I would be surprised to live through that if it happened to me. | ||
| I think I would have a heart attack right on the spot. | ||
| And I think a lot of people would. | ||
| I do have it queued up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is the sound of the freezer basically opening and the creature screaming and slamming the freezer down. | ||
| This was done at a later time. | ||
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right yeah I don't know how you lived through that. | |
| God. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, so you slammed the freezer shut. | ||
| I have two new photographs tonight that you sent me. | ||
| One of the side of the alien's head that is not hurt. | ||
| Very detailed, very close up, better lit. | ||
| And I've got a second photograph, a startling photograph, of somebody examining this creature. | ||
| In fact, sort of opening the eye of the creature. | ||
| And you can actually, in this photograph, see the pupil of the eye of the creature. | ||
| And when was that taken? | ||
| Under what circumstances? | ||
| And whose hands are those? | ||
| Well, prior to what we took to calling the alien Freddy, Freezer Freddy. | ||
| Freezer Freddy. | ||
| I believed that it was dead. | ||
| And for all purposes, it was not moving. | ||
| It had a wound one inch by one and a half inch wide on the side of its head. | ||
| The skull and skin flap was flapping back and forth, exposing cranial material. | ||
| At that point, I felt this thing was pretty dead. | ||
| Bashed in the skull. | ||
| During the first three days prior to it reanimating, which is the word you used, I did, yes. | ||
| I got a hold of my friend, Gary, and him and I sat down and tried to put some strategy on what to do, when to do it, and how to do it, having this in our possession. | ||
| During that process, I pulled him out of the freezer and I did several examinations, what I call topical examinations. | ||
| One of them was done the night about eight hours after I had brought him home, which is the video art that you have seen and have. | ||
| Yes, sir, I do. | ||
| And in that video, I literally open up the thermal blanket in front of everyone's eyes, and you see the entire body. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| The arms, the legs, the head, the hands, everything. | ||
| For those people out there who have said, you know, we don't see much of the body, well in this, you see everything. | ||
| At that point, within the next few days, Gary and I decided we needed some help. | ||
| And we set out to get people who could help us and that we could trust. | ||
| Gary was a very, very dear friend. | ||
| Eighteen years I had known this person. | ||
| I could trust him. | ||
| And he and I set out to find some people to help us. | ||
| During this process, again, we took him out of the freezer, Freddie, not Gary, and laid him down in the garage and did a much closer examination, which in the book we call a closer look, where I reviewed and took photographs of every part of this being as much as I could. | ||
| There was a professor that was supposed to be there, yes, but he was scared off. | ||
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I mean, he was fascinated. | |
| He wanted to be involved with it. | ||
| He didn't know exactly what it was all about, but he knew Jonathan. | ||
| He was friends with Jonathan. | ||
| And when the day came for him to show up, he called and just said, I can't be there. | ||
| He basically backed out without any reason. | ||
| Which is something that has happened many, many times, including with a publisher currently. | ||
| But back to the story where we were. | ||
| The pictures that you now have are of the examination that Gary and I performed, the close-up topical examination. | ||
| During that, I opened the eyes. | ||
| I took close-up pictures of the eye, the eyelid, the mouth, as close as I could get in the mouth. | ||
| I didn't have the kind of equipment necessary to do a fabulous interior job of No, no, no. | ||
| During these pictures, Gary actually took the picture. | ||
| Oh, I see, okay. | ||
| They are my hands. | ||
| I mean, both my hands and arms are in that picture. | ||
| That's good, because I was going to suggest I don't see how you could get that kind of a close-up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The video that was taken the first night after I brought the creature home was actually taken where I duct taped the video camera to the side of a ladder because I did not have a tripod. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, whatever else is going on, your story is solid. | ||
| I've tried a couple times here, my cute little way, to trip you up, and it's not worked. | ||
| So Gary was holding the camera for these very, very close-up photographs, and you could actually see What appears to be, is that the pupil of the eye in a war? | ||
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Yes, it is. | |
| And Art, you have the original Kodaks, right? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I should tell my audience, just so they don't say, oh, gee, faked up computer photographs, wrong. | ||
| I've got the original Kodak photographs. | ||
| I scanned them. | ||
| I sent them to Keith. | ||
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No shadow boxing here. | |
| No shadow boxing. | ||
| No shadow box. | ||
| No, this has never been doctored or adjusted in any way. | ||
| And all that information will be coming out. | ||
| And that's what we're trying to do at this point, is to get that information out. | ||
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And the negatives at some time. | |
| Right. | ||
| And the negatives, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We're going to make arrangements. | ||
| And we will talk about that with you, Art, privately. | ||
| But we will make some arrangements to detail the negatives, the positives, and the video. | ||
| Now, I have been counseled by legal counsel to, at this point, not let any other evidence out because we are limited in how much we have. | ||
| But I gave you my word that I would get some negatives to you. | ||
| You did, yeah. | ||
| And you and I will walk through that process. | ||
| And I would like to be part of that process. | ||
| I can understand that. | ||
| And I will at a later tape explain to you why we need to do it very carefully. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Listen, you don't have to explain a thing to me. | ||
| I am in possession of some alleged crashed debris from Roswell that is still anomalous after years and years of intense study scientifically. | ||
| And I've been very careful with who tested it, where it went, and when it was in and out of my hands. | ||
| You must be very careful. | ||
| Well, I went through the process of taking some of this to what you would call the logical sources, some of the legitimate quote-unquote sources that will back up this kind of thing and look into it. | ||
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And at those sources, I lost a huge amount of evidence. | |
| I can understand that. | ||
| Now, to wrap this story up, gentlemen, the body, people would ask, where is the body now? | ||
| Where is the rest of the evidence now? | ||
| And what about your friend who participated with you in all of this? | ||
| Those things I think we have to cover. | ||
| Well, there were several people that helped me during this 10-day event from start to finish. | ||
| Barry, one of them. | ||
| Dolly was another dear close friend. | ||
| Dolly is dead. | ||
| I actually found Dolly dead in her house the day when I had called her to go up and pick up a package she was holding for me with more of this information. | ||
| That package was never found. | ||
| Dead of what cause, do you know? | ||
| Considered to be natural causes. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I had talked with her a few hours before. | ||
| Natural causes. | ||
| And you were the one to find the body? | ||
| Yes, I was. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And of Gary? | ||
| Gary is not around. | ||
| Gary is either in hiding or has met an unnatural fate also. | ||
| I have not seen or spoke to Gary in over two years. | ||
| And for that very same reason, you are on the move nearly all the time yourself. | ||
| At the end of this 10-day event, I went underground and I literally pulled in my landing gear and found a new way to survive. | ||
| I knew that there was something very serious about all this, considering what all had led up to that tenth day. | ||
| And I had to find a way to survive and to eventually get my life back. | ||
| And that's why I'm here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Doctor, the body, the alien body. | ||
| On the ninth day, I went back to my house, which was where the freezer in my garage was. | ||
| My house had been ransacked and torn apart. | ||
| There were boards from the floor missing. | ||
| There were holes in the walls. | ||
| Every single thing in my house had been totally disrupted or destroyed or taken. | ||
| Two filing cabinets were gone out of my house. | ||
| It had nothing to do with this. | ||
| But I went to the garage. | ||
| I found the door pried loose from the actual wall in the garage, sitting aside the garage. | ||
| I went in. | ||
| The freezer was gone. | ||
| there was nothing left? | ||
| So, a lot of the evidence was gone with 75% of the evidence that I had at the, let's say at the end of the ninth day, 75% is gone. | ||
| What I have left is what I was able to hide away with myself. | ||
| I had salted away from during this entire event. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I think we're pretty well through the story now. | ||
| Somebody asks my facts. | ||
| I see you're going to have Jonathan Reed on again tonight. | ||
| I live near the Cascade Mountains where he claims to have encountered the alien. | ||
| Would you ask him tonight where in the Cascades he encountered the alien? | ||
| Was it near Suquamey Pass? | ||
| i'm not sure i'm getting that right or was Gee, I almost got it right. | ||
| All right, that's a pretty precise location. | ||
| Did Dr. Reed take any samples of blood or body fluids and have them lab-tested, get any copies of the results? | ||
| Yes, Dr. Reed did. | ||
| He took them to the university where he was employed and took them to a hospital laboratory and took them and gave them to someone to examine in a very serious attempt to get some information. | ||
| That blood sample and that person was never found. | ||
| I never saw that person again. | ||
| I could not find them and no one had any information about that sample. | ||
| All right, is there anyone else that you know that is still alive and not missing who had seen the alien body? | ||
| No. | ||
| What model or type of camcorder did you use? | ||
| The camcorder was an 8mm camcorder, an icon. | ||
| A straight eight and an icon. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Doctor, hold on. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| And yes, we are now opening phone lines. | ||
| I've got a couple of other facts questions and then we're going to the phone lines for Dr. Reed and Robert Raith. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast A.M. Let me continue. | ||
| Once again, Dr. Reed and Robert Raith, gentlemen, welcome back. | ||
| Just a few more facts questions and off to the phones. | ||
| This one says, Art, you have seen Dr. Reed's video. | ||
| Could you give the listening audience an honest, straight-out opinion of it and a little more verbal description of it? | ||
| Well, my opinion would be that it was a verbal description. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| It was a lot of running, a lot of very hard breathing, somebody in the middle of a, well, I guess a panic attack would be what I would describe. | ||
| And some of it was steady. | ||
| Most of it was running or moving. | ||
| And you got to see the obelisk in the video, the alien. | ||
| All of it appears roughly as in the still photographs and backs those up. | ||
| So I don't know what else I can say. | ||
| You've got to see the video. | ||
| And I assume at some point the audience will get an opportunity to do that. | ||
| Did Dr. Reed meet any hikers coming back down the trail while carrying the alien bundle? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Have you done any reverse investigation on your own or with help from friends as to any specifics of who might have ransacked your house and that sort of thing? | ||
| We could put an end to them and just call them MIDs. | ||
| But they're definitely people that were looking for what we had. | ||
| We believed that our phones had been tapped. | ||
| We had been watched for days. | ||
| And not only myself, Gary, Dolly, my girlfriend, her family, on and on. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You obviously have pretty good photographic and video evidence. | ||
| The person, as a matter of fact, Frank, from Custer, Washington, wants to know if you would take a lie detector test. | ||
| That has already been done, which I passed. | ||
| Oh, my. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When did that occur? | ||
| That was done approximately three months after this event. | ||
| Oh, I'll be damned. | ||
| And you passed the test, and I assume the results of that are going to be in the book, Robert? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And finally, today, what is Dr. Reed's assessment of the public's acceptance or denial of his alien interaction contact story? | ||
| What do you think the public thinks, Doctor, is what they're asking, I guess. | ||
| Well, by information since we've been on your show, the response has been probably 85% positive, that they do understand that these events happen, that once in a while somebody is able to chronicle something, and that it will stand on its own. | ||
| All right, let us begin to go to the phones. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| My name is Randy. | ||
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I'm calling from Phoenix. | |
| Okay, Randy. | ||
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Hi, Dr. Reed. | |
| How are you doing? | ||
| Good, thank you. | ||
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Well, my question was, I have a couple questions. | |
| Was the bean wearing any type of clothing or a uniform or anything like that? | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| It had a suit which we refer to as the skin suit, which is a very tight-fitting material-based suit, almost like Spandex. | ||
| Black in color, gloves attached to the arms. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I haven't had access to anything, and I haven't seen pictures or anything. | ||
| Compared to the alien autopsy, was there any similarities? | ||
| Not in my mind. | ||
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No, not at all? | |
| Not at all. | ||
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Okay. | |
| My other question was, you're going to go public with this. | ||
| What venue are you going to use to get this to the public? | ||
| Were you going to use the media or newspapers? | ||
| Well, we're attempting to use every venue possible that's committed to getting a positive statement out. | ||
| We're not looking to make this fear-based. | ||
| This is not about fear. | ||
| It's about hope. | ||
| It's about the new future that all of us have to embrace. | ||
| The information that I have, that is in the book, when people read it, will give them a great deal more to think about than what's been said at this time. | ||
| There are events that are taking place in and around this show, Art Show, that are only starting now to happen, that are chronicled in the book. | ||
| Art, you have the last chapter. | ||
| There is a section in the last chapter that talks about answers that people need to know. | ||
| And it's a list. | ||
| All right. | ||
| In other words, answers to most frequently asked questions, that kind of deal? | ||
| Well, answers to things that are involved in our lives with extraterrestrial beings. | ||
| We talk about Mars, our moon, Egypt, the Middle East, weather control, the AIDS virus, Earth evolution, DNA, star communications, time shifting, space-dimensional Travel, MIDs, world economic crash, cold tech, extraterrestrial visitors, new documentation, the earth, the sun, the Bible, life force, and UFOs in general. | ||
| Holy smokes. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So you get to a lot of it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hello, Art. | |
| How are you? | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm in Lollop, Texas. | |
| All right. | ||
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Listening to KFYO. | |
| By the way, on the first part of your show, Art, you mentioned a call about the melanoma thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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There's something I saw in a documentary about a year and a half ago you might be interested in. | |
| I can't tell you the doctor. | ||
| I can barely remember where the location might be, but what he was doing is he was applying chemotherapy to the melanoma and then applying a small amount of electricity through the tumor with two electrodes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I appreciate it, but right now we're... | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Dr. Reed, part of your story I'm having a real hard time believing, and I'll just be blunt, but I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way. | |
| But in the situation with the creature in the freezer, you had mentioned how you were so distressed about maybe having killed a conscious entity, and then when you discovered that it was actually alive, I never ever heard you say on your own volition that you were mostly relieved about the fact you hadn't killed the creature. | ||
| And Art, in one of his interviews, kind of hit on that subject, and you gave some sort of an explanation, which I really couldn't quite accept. | ||
| Part of the reason being when you slammed the door down, the creature quit screaming. | ||
| And I don't think that would be logical. | ||
| It sounded almost to me like it was produced. | ||
| Well, that's exactly how it happened. | ||
| As far as having remorse that I had killed it, I think I mentioned in the previous interview that I felt relieved that it was no longer in a dead state, but I was still upset because it was named. | ||
| Because now I had a creature that was half dead. | ||
| I felt guilty, very guilty about that. | ||
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But you didn't experience any drive or desire to try to help the creature? | |
| In fact, in the last interview, we went into great detail about the way I tried to communicate with him at a later time. | ||
| Yeah, you've really got to... | ||
| But indeed, there was a lot of that. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| And let's go to West of the Rockies. | ||
| You're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raven. | ||
| Art Bell. | ||
| Good morning, Art. | ||
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Robert and Jonathan. | |
| This is Bob in San Diego. | ||
| Hi, Bob. | ||
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How are we doing? | |
| Dr. Reed, in the MJ-12 papers, I recall that there was something about people who had examined and touched the aliens to have horrible things such as seizures, bleeding, death, and so on. | ||
| Obviously, you didn't have death and all. | ||
| Did you have any adverse physical reactions to touch the creature? | ||
| From the time that I encountered the creature until about five or six days later, I was extremely sick. | ||
| Nausea, headaches, dizziness, weakness actually dehydrated a great deal. | ||
| So the only thing I can account that to is emotional stress and fatigue and or the possibility that the alien and or the obelisk had produced something that made me sick. | ||
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And the book does detail this very clearly. | |
| Great. | ||
| John, I really appreciate it, Color. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| This is really good because these really are questions that I had not come up with, and they're good ones, too. | ||
| Here's one by email. | ||
| If you had it to do all over again, doctor, what would you do differently? | ||
| If I had it to do all over again, I would have driven directly to the university facility, a medical facility, and given them everything I had. | ||
| Would you have still, do you think, doing it all over again, hit the alien over the head with a stick? | ||
| Well, that's a very difficult question to ask because it was emotionally driven at the time. | ||
| I had no time to think. | ||
| I was thinking about defending my dog. | ||
| And I think under the same circumstances, I probably would attempt the same motion to get this thing away from my dog. | ||
| You know, I think I would have done the same thing. | ||
| And I've really, I've sat down and I've thought about this and I've thought about it as you've told this story. | ||
| And I really, there's not much I would have done differently at all. | ||
| So that helps me. | ||
| And plus, your story has remained the same. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Raith. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Yes, turn your radio off, please. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Turn it off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Very important. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Where are you, sir? | ||
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I'm from Phoenix. | |
| This is Joe. | ||
| Hi, Joe. | ||
| Do you have a question? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you get a chance to get a collection of maybe the dust that the I know you mentioned that the dog was turned to like kind of a dust? | ||
| Joe, at that point, I was not thinking clearly enough to be collecting anything except trying to collect myself. | ||
| I'm surprised that I was able to actually get out of the list at all. | ||
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And I'm just like, I'm kind of excited I got on. | |
| My brother also has a question if I can get him really quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you can get him really quick. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And one thing we were talking about also earlier was that all this information is not only in the book, but there is so much more that we have chronicled. | ||
| I'm sure there is. | ||
| Caller, hello. | ||
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Oh, hello? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Do you have a question? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Didn't, Dr. Reed, when your house was ransacked, didn't any of your neighbors see who did saw who did it? | ||
| All right, good question. | ||
| Were there any witnesses to the ransacking? | ||
| Well, the house itself sat in a wooded area, and there were very large lots. | ||
| Yes, I had some very close neighbors that had seen some very large vans pull up and go in and out of the house. | ||
| Would these neighbors be willing to come forward, do you think? | ||
| Well, there's a problem with that, and not everybody wants to have their name put over the air. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| Tell me about it. | ||
| I know better than anybody about that. | ||
| All right, here's somebody who asks by email, what happened to the obelisk? | ||
| And of course, we didn't cover that. | ||
| When you left the area with the alien body, the obelisk was still there, correct? | ||
| Yes, it was still exactly in the same place that it was the entire time that I was there. | ||
| The next day, my friend Gary and I, after talking at great lengths, decided to go back up there and see what other evidence we could find and possibly even try to drag it out of there, which is an incredibly stupid statement knowing that it was not going to be moved. | ||
| But we were grabbing at straws at that point. | ||
| So we went back, drove all the way back up there, hiked in, and there was not one thing out of place in the entire area. | ||
| There was not a stone, not a stick, not a fern. | ||
| Even ferns that I had brushed to get close to the obelisk seemed as if they were either new or somehow in perfect, pristine condition. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's another detail. | ||
| Our thank you for very interesting shows. | ||
| Please ask Dr. Reed, whatever happened to his friend Gary. | ||
| I'm reading the transcript of the first appearance on Ghost to Coast, and I'm surprised the doctor hasn't mentioned the disappearance of his 18-year-long friend. | ||
| Does Gary have any relatives who are looking for him? | ||
| Was a police report filed? | ||
| Is Dr. Reed actively looking for his friend? | ||
| Can we, your listening audience, help find Gary? | ||
| Yes, your listening audience can help find Gary if Gary wants to be found. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I have not heard from him nor seen of him at all. | ||
| His family did not live in the area. | ||
| I had spoken with his parents after this event. | ||
| He has never shown up there in any way, shape, or form, nor contacted them. | ||
| All right, we now have a new way of contacting us. | ||
| We do have email. | ||
| Oh, you have an email address? | ||
| We do. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| And that's www.drweedlink at a l dot com. | ||
| and that's d-r-r-e-e-d-l-i-n-k at aol.com. | ||
| And if anyone That would be a World Wide Web address. | ||
| I'm sorry, but I'm sorry. | ||
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Let's take off the WWW. | |
| So it would just be Dr ReedLink. | ||
| That's D-R-R-E-E-D-L-I-N-K at A-O-L.com. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Is that all lowercase? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, Dr ReedLink at AOL.com. | ||
| Well, you're going to get a lot of email. | ||
| That's what we're hoping. | ||
| You're hoping for it, huh? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I want this information out. | ||
| I want people to know what this is about. | ||
| I want people to help me find Gary if he's available. | ||
| And if he's not, I want to know that too. | ||
| But the last time I saw Gary was the ninth day of the event. | ||
| What's happened to your career, Doctor? | ||
| My career is in the toilet. | ||
| I am no longer able to work as I was in developmental psychology. | ||
| I have no credibility as in licensing. | ||
| My entire life as in credentials has been erased. | ||
| Oh, brother. | ||
| So I have literally started over from the ground up. | ||
| I want my life back. | ||
| Well, I can understand that. | ||
| And, Robert, I guess that's where you come in, huh? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Trying to document all of this and get the word out. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| When I met with Jonathan, it was quite an experience, let me tell you. | ||
| Did you believe this when you first heard it? | ||
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When he first started, I thought, oh, you know, I have a nutcase on my hand. | |
| But I gave him the chance, much like you give people the chance on your show, I said, okay, I'm going to hear this out. | ||
| As the night progressed, and it was a long night, let me tell you. | ||
| I bet it was. | ||
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I became convinced, and he showed me the photographs, and he showed me some other documentation that we have no doubt even not yet seen. | |
| All right. | ||
| Gentlemen, hold on. | ||
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We'll be right back. | |
| This is Coast to Coast AM. | ||
| In the meantime, let me bring my guests back. | ||
| Gentlemen, you're both back on the air. | ||
| Robert Rafe and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
| This is the first time that the public has really had an opportunity to ask you questions. | ||
| I have no idea what's coming, so let's get to it. | ||
| First time call our line, you're on the air with Robert Rafe and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hi, my name is Steve. | ||
| Steve, you're going to have to yell at us. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I am from Oregon, the great state just below Washington. | |
| Okay. | ||
| First off, I'd like to say I have great respect for Dr. Reed and what he's doing. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Whether these things are actually what happened or not, just the fact that you're going out and you're telling this story of what you know to be true is absolutely great, and I applaud you for that. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| My question, or I should say questions, are concerning one, the pictures that I am looking at on ARP's website right now. | ||
| The first one that I can see is of the alien and he has a green colorization. | ||
| And his eye is actually somewhat open. | ||
| Would you put a comment under the circumstances that you were in? | ||
| Okay, those were taken early on prior to the last two photographs that Art put up. | ||
| They were taken with a different type of film, an ectochrome-based film, which is a slide film that has a tendency to have a greenish or bluish tint to it. | ||
| The latter film was taken with a negative film, which is more of a reptone-based film. | ||
| As far as his eyes being open, they were always open a little bit. | ||
| There was always a slit in his eyes. | ||
| But the newer photographs that are put up during the examination where I actually pulled the eyelid open where you can see the pupa is exposed. | ||
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And my second question is about the actual expression that I see on the alien's face has seemed to change somewhat. | |
| It appears on the second one that was posted that the lips seem to be a bit flatter as opposed to the earlier ones. | ||
| Okay, well, I could almost jump in on that one. | ||
| There was an examination done, which is shown in detail on the tape, and obviously one part of that examination was the opening of the mouth, and that might well account for that, doctor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, you know, skin is pliable. | ||
| Even though the face and skin texture of Freddie was somewhat tough, like almost like a picnic skin or a hide to it, as you moved it, it would not necessarily go back in place exactly like it was prior, just like our skin. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that would account for the slight change. | ||
| In fact, I would be surprised if there was not a change after an examination where you literally pried the mouth open. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Race and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Yes, hello. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm in Louisville, Kentucky. | |
| Okay, you two will have to yell at us. | ||
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Okay, is that better? | |
| That's better. | ||
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All right. | |
| My first question is, I'm just wondering what the book is going to be called when it comes out. | ||
| Well, the official name at this time of the book is Link, an Extraterrestrial Odyssey. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And my second question is, that's the last show that you did, has anybody been trying to say stalk you or trying to find out more information about this? | ||
| Well, from one source or another, we have gotten some people that are non-believers, but that's to be expected. | ||
| In fact, if I didn't get that, I would be surprised. | ||
| But as far as people directly running me off the road like they had been in previous months, no. | ||
| Robert experiences that. | ||
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Yes, I've been followed and I've had some problems, but I'm still alive. | |
| I'm not dead or missing. | ||
| But then again, I've been on Art Bell, so that may account for the fact that I'm still here. | ||
| Now, we have also salted a lot of this information around the world at this point, so that if anything does happen to me personally or Robert or anybody else connected with this, this will come out. | ||
| In fact, the best source for that is Mr. Arfell. | ||
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Okay, thank you. | |
| That's all I want to know. | ||
| All right, there you are. | ||
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About the book, and people are wondering when it's going to come out, you know, I have talked to some publishers, but they seem fascinated and interested, and suddenly they back off and know apparently, and we're not going to go into names and who, when, and where exactly, but some have even, a couple of have even been threatened. | |
| So they just back off. | ||
| Oh, you mean the publishers have been threatened? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Oh, my, oh, my. | ||
| This is a very controversial book. | ||
| This has information that some people don't want out. | ||
| Well, that's obvious if you look at the actions that have been taken to keep it from getting out with respect to the earlier portion, larger portion of the evidence. | ||
| What happened to that, and the people who had it, to your friend, to your house, the whole thing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reith. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi, this is John from Cleveland, Ohio. | |
| Hi, John. | ||
| And my basic question was, you know, this is all great. | ||
| I've listened to all of your interviews with him and stuff. | ||
| But basically what I'm having a problem with is if he's underground, how come they can't trace his phone calls? | ||
| Because he's on with you for, you know, hours and stuff. | ||
| You know, is there something I'm missing here? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, ask it again, Color, please. | ||
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Basically, you know, how can he spend hours on the phone talking to you and not be tracked? | |
| Okay, my first answer would be, look, if the government wanted to track him, I presume they could do that. | ||
| If it's a matter of my keeping faith, I don't, I keep my word. | ||
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Yeah, I understand that. | |
| So otherwise, could they tap the line and find out where he is this very moment? | ||
| I would presume so. | ||
| Except for the fact that where I am at this very moment, I won't be three hours from now. | ||
| Caller? | ||
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Yeah, but if they were, oh, well, you know, sort of if they were after him, you know, as bad as he's saying, you know, other people disappearing. | |
| Well, here's the other aspect. | ||
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You would think they'd be after him. | |
| Yeah, once, though, once this whole thing is public the way it is, I mean, pictures on the website now for how long? | ||
| For a couple of months at least. | ||
| There is safety in being public. | ||
| And that's exactly what we want to do. | ||
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This is the point I brought up earlier because I've been on our belt. | |
| The fact is, if the government wanted me Right now, they could get me. | ||
| They've obviously followed me. | ||
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I've made that statement. | |
| Right now, it's just fear-based tactics. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I'm not going to back down. | ||
| I'm not going to back down. | ||
| What would you do, Collis? | ||
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I have no idea, but I'm just thinking, you know, if they took it, you know, if they took him out, you know, in six months, this is all going to be forgotten. | |
| There's going to be nothing to prove one way or another. | ||
| Well, that's why we've, thank you. | ||
| That's why we've got a lot of stuff on the website right now. | ||
| There's already a manuscript. | ||
| I assume it's in hands other than mine. | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Thank goodness. | ||
| And there's one other point I'd like to make. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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This is a perfect time. | |
| This isn't about just me anymore. | ||
| This is about everyone who's listening to my voice. | ||
| It's about Art Bell. | ||
| It's about people who respect Art Bell's show and the availability for people to come on, tell their story without the fear of being threatened. | ||
| This is a wonderful forum. | ||
| We need more forums like this. | ||
| But there's one thing that nobody knows, and I'm going to tell you now. | ||
| There was a piece of hard evidence that I have, that I had in my possession, that has been examined and safely stored and is now out of this country. | ||
| Oh, my. | ||
| That piece of evidence will be made available in the near future. | ||
| Would you care to say what it consists of? | ||
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Robert? | |
| Surely. | ||
| I think we could mention it, yes. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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We believe it's a controller device, something that links the alien to the obelisk. | |
| It's a small device with three symbols engraved on it, and it has three needles that we believe directly punctures into the arm of the wearer. | ||
| And we believe it may be some kind of contact device with the obelisk. | ||
| Holy smokes. | ||
| Doctor, when and where did you recover this? | ||
| This is new information, so this requires a couple of questions. | ||
| I picked that up when I rolled up the extraterrestrial in the thermal blanket. | ||
| It was laying about two or three feet away from his body. | ||
| At that point, I had no idea what it was. | ||
| I just grabbed it, threw it in the thermal blinder. | ||
| oh my god, so you've got and I have managed to preserve that the same way I've managed to stay out of sight. | ||
| I'll help. | ||
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I'll say this. | |
| If, as the caller says, the government could take us out and it all be forgotten. | ||
| I'll tell you something. | ||
| If we are taken out, it will not be forgotten. | ||
| There are photographs, there's videos, there are other people, there's our fell, and there's this device. | ||
| If something happens to us, okay, it will come out. | ||
| And sooner or later, the world's going to know. | ||
| We're getting into some pretty serious territory here. | ||
| You took a live detector test, you passed it. | ||
| You provided extensive photographic documentation, which, by the way, nobody has torn apart yet, and a lot of people have tried, except for some silly people that I dismiss, you know, the usual pixel counters. | ||
| And now you're telling me you've got physical evidence documented and safely stashed away in another country. | ||
| This is getting more serious by the moment. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith. | ||
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Hi, thank you for taking my call. | |
| Good evening, gentlemen. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Well, you answered my question. | ||
| I was going to say about the government, what was the point? | ||
| It's already out. | ||
| I suppose they don't want any more to get out, but I think it's really kind of too late. | ||
| And my second comment was I definitely believe the doctor because those are the little wrinkly guys that have been visiting me since I was 10 years old. | ||
| They come to my room. | ||
| And I saw them as recently as about eight months ago, actually more like almost a year now. | ||
| And I bet you a buck that there's a lot of people out there who have seen them in sort of that half sleep, not to the extent that the doctor has at all that I know of. | ||
| But I bet you there's a lot of people out there and they're just not talking. | ||
| I know that you're right. | ||
| I know that there are a lot of people that have seen these. | ||
| And tremendous amounts of people that either are afraid to come forward because they will be called crazy or they've been threatened. | ||
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Well, I mean, mostly you're going to be called crazy. | |
| But I didn't even, before I wasn't on the web for a long time and I just recently got back on it, I knew the minute you started talking about it, I knew exactly what it was going to look like. | ||
| And that's the kind of alien that I saw. | ||
| We need people like you to come forward. | ||
| You know, whether it's on radio shows like this or, you know, get behind this thing. | ||
| I'm going to call some publishers and tell them to get on the ball to help us get this thing out. | ||
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Well, I sketched that one night. | |
| I had three encounters with three different things and I sketched them. | ||
| I called Art one night and I said I was going to fax them, but I don't have a fax machine. | ||
| And I sat here for months and months thinking, what fax person am I going to bring these pictures to? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's true. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I agree very much. | ||
| Yeah, this is getting more and more serious by the moment. | ||
| And I guess the most serious job for you now is trying to get this published, correct? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And again, Art, the tenth chapter, the last chapter of our book, details exactly what I have been doing and where I have been and how I have kept out of harm's way with this information. | ||
| You notice, Twitter, if you look at the psychology and the way things are working, people have been pumped with fear for a long time. | ||
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Don't say anything, they'll think this, don't say anything. | |
| That will happen to you, this will happen to you. | ||
| When you have the bunkers talking like happened tonight on television, they used, oh, and if this was in a court of law, we look at our law fearfully as power. | ||
| People use These things as tools to terrify and manipulate individuals and keep them away from coming out with their story. | ||
| And that's how it works. | ||
| There are all kinds of people out there. | ||
| Some of the debunkers, I'm sure, are more than likely working for other sources whose very design is to stop people like Jonathan and myself from coming out with any information. | ||
| Well, there are a couple things going around that are said to prove that this is all false. | ||
| One is that apparently on a website I think that Norio Hayakawa maintains there was an obelisk put there, but that was put there again after your photographs were posted on my site, and I think that Norio has made a statement about that. | ||
| And then there are other people who say, no, I've seen that obelisk somewhere else. | ||
| Well, you know, to me, that's like saying, oh my God, look, another flying saucer photograph, that proves that flying saucers are fake. | ||
| If, in fact, there is another obelisk picture somewhere, that goes more toward verifying things than it does toward tearing them apart. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's one other fact, too, that I just want to say. | ||
| People have incredibly come forward and said a lot of information, pro and con, which is good. | ||
| This is about information. | ||
| This is about education. | ||
| I want people to know what happened. | ||
| They can choose for themselves whether to believe it or not after they see it. | ||
| But before they see it, it's very difficult to make that statement. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| All I'm trying to do is get this information out, get it to the public, have some kind of preservation of my own life, get myself to where I don't have to be in fear. | ||
| This has been very difficult. | ||
| It has been a very difficult existence. | ||
| This is no fun. | ||
| And other people know that. | ||
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We don't want to ram this down anybody's throat. | |
| We want people, individuals, to make up their own mind when they see it. | ||
| There are too many processes out there that create elements that lead people by the nose in one direction or the other. | ||
| It's time for people to think for themselves. | ||
| And a lot of your callers tonight, they're doing just that. | ||
| Whether they're positive or negative, the fact is they're thinking about the story for themselves. | ||
| And that, I think, is very important. | ||
| And you can debunk anything. | ||
| If you stand at one point and look at something in only one direction, oh, that's a great point. | ||
| And I'm not careful about it. | ||
| Well, we had the ideal example of that earlier in the evening on Fox. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One of the things that people keep saying is they say, well, these pictures are too clear. | ||
| I know. | ||
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People aren't satisfied. | |
| And I'll tell you something. | ||
| A few years ago, I met with this gentleman that said he had evidence that the Holocaust never occurred. | ||
| I've heard of these pictures. | ||
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Now, I wanted to slap this man, but I gave him his shot at this nonsense. | |
| But the point is, is that he wanted to debunk the murder of millions of people. | ||
| People are out there to do this. | ||
| That's what it's all about. | ||
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People can come up with evidence on anything to debunk anything. | |
| And again, that Fox show tonight was a perfect example of that. | ||
| If this E.P. came up and bit you in the bret, you could still turn around a day later and say it didn't happen. | ||
| I would never know the truth. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Reed. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hello? | |
| Hi, where are you, sir? | ||
| Hi, I'm in near Boise, Idaho. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hi, it's a pleasure to talk to you, Dr. Reed. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I think what you're doing is a great service for the United States and the world. | ||
| I wanted to know if the hand, well what the hands and the feet look like, and if when the alien talked to you, what did it communicate to you, if anything? | ||
| All right, let's deal with one at a time. | ||
| These are good questions. | ||
| The hands and the feet, Doctor? | ||
| Well, the hands and the feet of Freddie were contained in what we've called the skin suit. | ||
| This was basically a one piece where the gloves and the arms were covered with a fabric similar to like a standex material, a black material that basically defied everything I've ever seen. | ||
| In the last radio show that we had, we talked about the fact that I cut it. | ||
| I tried to cut it with an X-Acto knife to actually remove it. | ||
| And couldn't cut it. | ||
| And couldn't cut it. | ||
| Actually, Doctor, there's more to it. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| We're at a breakpoint. | ||
| Caller, hold on. | ||
| We'll bring you right back. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast A.M. The caller is asking about the hands and the feet, most specifically. | ||
| Okay, they were, again, they were encapsulated in this fabric, this black skin suit fabric. | ||
| The fingers were in three-fingered gloves. | ||
| So each hand looked like it had a big mitten on it with three fingers. | ||
| But actually, when you felt the fingers through the material, there were five fingers on each hand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Exactly right. | ||
| And when you try to cut into this... | ||
| Collar? | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
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This is my own experience. | |
| I can tell you that I've seen craft up close, and I can see why people won't believe it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Because it changed my life forever. | ||
| And exactly. | ||
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I know this to be true, and I'd have to say, in honesty, that if I didn't see it and experience it for myself. | |
| You'd probably say baloney, huh? | ||
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I would. | |
| And the stuff that I've seen was like magic. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, I'm in a similar circumstance. | ||
| I have also seen a craft. | ||
| It changed my life. | ||
| There's no way it cannot. | ||
| I saw a craft up close and personal, a story I've told many times and I won't retell here. | ||
| But once you have seen something like that for yourself, you don't have a lot of choices left in life. | ||
| I mean, you have seen this. | ||
| You either have to believe that our government has a lot of stuff we don't know about, which is possible, but I don't know about anti-gravity, and or you have seen something from elsewhere, one of the two. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Good afternoon, Art. | |
| Thanks for taking my call. | ||
| This is Dave from Toronto. | ||
| Toronto? | ||
| It can't possibly be afternoon in Toronto. | ||
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Oh, I'm sorry. | |
| Good morning. | ||
| Early, early morning. | ||
| Good comment for Dr. Reed, actually. | ||
| I hate to sound like a skeptic, but one point that I'm really having a problem trying to understand is when you said when you smashed this thing in the head with a baseball bat, you were not 100% sure it was not a child. | ||
| You only determined it was not a child until you smashed it in the head. | ||
| So what I guess I'm trying to say is, isn't that something you should have been 100% sure about before you smashed it in the middle? | ||
| Two things, Color. | ||
| One, it was a stick or a branch. | ||
| The size of a baseball bat is the way I recall the doctor having said it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not an actual baseball bat. | ||
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Okay, thanks for clearing that up. | |
| And then the second part was? | ||
| Well, I think at the moment I wasn't being completely rational. | ||
| I was being extremely emotional and physical. | ||
| And I had just witnessed my dog's head literally ripped from its skull. | ||
| At that moment, I was kind of defending myself and or what was going on. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| If I had a moment to think, is this a child, I would have probably stopped. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| But at that moment, if I had have, maybe I would have been next. | ||
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Okay, and one more question. | |
| What time of evening did this happen? | ||
| This happened at 2.55 in the afternoon. | ||
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So in the afternoon. | |
| Okay, thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you very much, Coler. | ||
| And somebody asks, what press other than my program have you gone to? | ||
| Have you taken this evidence to any mainstream press? | ||
| We have talked with several different organizations around the world, but nothing has been picked up. | ||
| There is going to be an article in an exclusive article written by Christopher Montgomery in an upcoming issue of one of the U.S.-based extraterrestrial magazines. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| And that's due to come out next month. | ||
| This is a beginning. | ||
| That's why I was saying we are asking for everyone's help. | ||
| I am looking for printers, publishers, agents. | ||
| Anyone who would like to see this information out, give me a call. | ||
| Here's another one that people have said that I'll hit you with. | ||
| I interviewed Travis Walton. | ||
| They made a movie about what happened to Travis Walton, a very famous abduction case. | ||
| The movie was called Fire in the Sky. | ||
| And I interviewed Travis and his boss, and they all took lie detector tests with regard to the abduction case of Travis Walton. | ||
| The reason I mention this is because the alien depicted in A Fire in the Sky bears a remarkable resemblance to the alien in the photos on my website that you, Doctor, took. | ||
| Now, people try to cite this as, well, somehow he got hold of the prop or something like that. | ||
| I don't look at it that way. | ||
| I tend to look at it as, well, maybe that's how they describe the alien. | ||
| Well, you know, you know, and if there are real aliens and this was one, then why should we be surprised that it looks like another description? | ||
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I recently saw the film. | |
| Oh, you did? | ||
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Yeah, Fire in the Sky. | |
| Right. | ||
| And right. | ||
| I was very curious because we had been hearing this. | ||
| We heard it a couple of times in the Australian and said, okay, we need to see this. | ||
| Right. | ||
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What's this all about? | |
| Well, there are some similarities, but the eyes are totally different, and the head is completely different. | ||
| But in the movie, they're gray. | ||
| In this situation, more than likely this thing is a gray. | ||
| So there's going to be similarities, yes. | ||
| But it's definitely, to me, it definitely was different, but there is similarities. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because they both had large, oval, almond-shaped eyes. | ||
| They both had grayish, pinkish skin. | ||
| You know, and they both were not from Houston. | ||
| Right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you are on the air. | ||
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Hello. | |
| My name is Peter. | ||
| I'm calling from Sarasota, Florida. | ||
| Okay, Peter, you're going to have to yell at us. | ||
| You're not too loud. | ||
| Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raith are here. | ||
| What's on your mind? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Hi, Dr. Reed. | ||
| An honor to talk to you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It seems like the government is forcing us to want to have closure. | ||
| And I don't know how I would react, but if I saw something like that, I'd want to kill it and then protect it with my life and not tell anybody about it. | ||
| And I would call Peter Davenport and somehow get one big, massive press release going, you know. | ||
| In effect, that's what we're doing right now. | ||
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I understand that, but you lost the alien. | |
| It's kind of like, that's awful, you know. | ||
| But the thing is, yeah, but we've got quite a bit. | ||
| On top of the photographic evidence caller, we now have an artifact, a piece of electronics or machine or whatever. | ||
| How about that? | ||
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Oh, excellent. | |
| Excellent. | ||
| Well, you see, that's what we need to do because the government's covering up so much, and we know that they're lying. | ||
| And I don't want to scare you, Dr. Reed, but I know for a fact that the government kills its own people to get its main objective out. | ||
| And I don't want to see anything like that happen to you. | ||
| I'm sure Dr. Reed doesn't either. | ||
| Well, we have set things in motion to get this information out so that it is no longer just about me. | ||
| There are going to be things happening in the very near future that will make it apparent to everyone that this, not only my story, but the story of alien existence coexisting with humans has been going on for a very long time. | ||
| And there will be unrefutable facts that no one will be able to deny very, very soon. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Thanks a lot, Ark. | ||
| Thank you for the call and take care. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Race and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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Tacoma, Washington. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I part of the country. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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Were there any soil samples taken from the area where the obelisk and where this event was taking place later on? | |
| No, there was not. | ||
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No soil samples. | |
| Have you thought about going back and taking soil samples from this area? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We have contacted several sources that I refer to as an alliance of friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I know the country. | |
| I do a lot of hiking in the area. | ||
| I have been. | ||
| I've lived here for many years. | ||
| I know somewhat of the area that you were in, if your description of the area is correct. | ||
| But it's very rugged terrain. | ||
| I think this is a very good idea, though, that soil samples would be taken. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
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Okay, thank you very much. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Okay, let's keep moving on. | ||
| There is one question somebody sent by email, and apparently people don't hear the whole show. | ||
| I need to know if the photos on the website are scans of the originals? | ||
| The answer is yes. | ||
| I have the originals, and I scan them myself. | ||
| So I have the original 35mm photograph. | ||
| Somewhere there's a studio cam picture of my holding the 35mm photographs up. | ||
| I don't know where that is. | ||
| Keith has it. | ||
| We'll get it up again when we can. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
|
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Good evening, gentlemen. | |
| Good evening. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
|
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Art, greetings from the west coast of Canada. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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It's Jim from Vancouver. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
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A question would be, has Dr. Reed attempted to get any of the previous U.S. administration involved in this case? | |
| Yes, Dr. Reed has. | ||
| And again, in the book, it chronicles this to a great degree. | ||
| And it also explains that I got dead end after dead end after dead end. | ||
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Then why have so many previous administrations expressed such great interest in getting to the bottom of it if they're not willing to see what's in their face? | |
| That's a good question. | ||
| Well, being a Canadian, I have really no opinion. | ||
| I just thought it would be a good question to raise. | ||
| It is a great question. | ||
| And my answer to it is all of us need to know this. | ||
| All of us need to see what is going on, not just people in the United States of America, but people of the world. | ||
| This is happening everywhere. | ||
| This is not just happening in one country. | ||
| I have talked with probably 20 or 30 people in the last two years that there have been events similar to this happen to them or to friends of theirs all over the world. | ||
| Our politicians tell us a lot of things. | ||
| And we all know politicians. | ||
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They can tell you that they want to get to the bottom of something, that they're really interested in it, this and that and whatnot, but most of the time, No, but I will tell you one thing. | |
| What a nice little smokescreen. | ||
| I will tell you one thing. | ||
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Do you have two-face politicians down there, too? | |
| We share them. | ||
| Three and four-face. | ||
| One thing for sure, I did not have sexual relations with this aliens. | ||
| You didn't? | ||
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No. | |
| That's on your side right away now. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| You see the Rockies? | ||
| You're on here with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
| Hi. | ||
|
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Hi, Art. | |
| How you doing? | ||
| Okay, where are you? | ||
|
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I'm in Silver Spring, Maryland. | |
| All right. | ||
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My name is Feliques. | |
| I want to just sort of commend Dr. Reed for his bravery, and I wish him best of luck as far as getting his life back. | ||
| One comment I wanted to make was that I've heard the term government thrown out a lot tonight, and I think people need to take a really hard look at what the word government really means. | ||
| And there is a book, you've had a guest on the show before, David Icke, Ike. | ||
| He got a book out, Truth Shall Set You Free. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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And it's really a book I think every thinking person ought to read and just think about it for themselves. | |
| I agree. | ||
|
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Because it's a very detailed book, and it pieces a lot of things together. | |
| And I don't want to tell anyone what to believe, but I say read the book. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Think about it. | |
| I couldn't agree more. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And take care. | ||
| I want to give out your email address again because somebody sent me a message and said, no, it's too long. | ||
| It's not a valid AOL address. | ||
| It is, too. | ||
| I tried it. | ||
| It's D-R-Read, R-E-E-D, link, L-I-N-K, at A-O-L.com. | ||
| That's drreedlink at AOL.com. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And it does work. | ||
| One thing I wanted to say is in regard to those to governments, I'm not saying that it's the entire government. | ||
| I'm saying that it's a sub-government. | ||
| A lot of people say that. | ||
| And I believe there may well be a hand behind the hand, which is what you're saying essentially. | ||
| West of the Rockies are on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed, Reed, and Robert Reid. | ||
|
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Hi, gentlemen. | |
| Hi, Arts. | ||
| Mark McCandlish. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Mark McCandlish. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| Author of, no, illustrator of, the one incredible sighting that I had. | ||
| Actually, I had two, but the most incredible sighting. | ||
| And Mark, would you please tell the audience that we worked a long time on that, didn't we? | ||
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Yeah, we did. | |
| We went through all the different angles that you saw this thing at, how high you thought it was, what the various angles of the vehicle were, what the lighting was, terrain, light sources, everything. | ||
| And spent a lot of time trying to figure out exactly how big it was. | ||
| And I'm not sure that we ever actually came to a specific conclusion about that. | ||
| Well, we did. | ||
| I mean, in the sense that you hit it right on the head in your photograph illustration. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
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Well, actually, that's part of why I'm calling. | |
| I wondered if these two gentlemen, because they did lose a lot of information, had any need for composite illustrations of some of the events that took place during these nine days of terror, so to speak, that they went through. | ||
| That's a wonderful, wonderful idea. | ||
| Gentlemen, this is a Mark McAndlish illustrates aeronautical things and would be able to illustrate anything that you feel you need to get probably in your book or whatever that is lost, now lost. | ||
| Okay, I think that's a very good idea, and we definitely would like to talk to you more. | ||
|
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Good. | |
| Well, then, you know, I suppose I can set up some line of communication through art. | ||
| No, why don't you just email them directly? | ||
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Right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I can give them a phone number. | ||
| All right, drreadlink at AOL.com. | ||
|
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Yes, I have a tape running, so I got the information. | |
| I did have one question, though, and that was I wasn't sure, because I didn't hear the previous broadcast, the previous story, was there some point at which the creature in the freezer was actually determined to be dead? | ||
| I know that it had been screaming and so forth, but was there a time when it was actually believed to be dead? | ||
| That's really a good question. | ||
| Actually, it was believed to be dead when he put it in there the first time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But after opening the freezer and screaming, I don't know about after that. | ||
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Well, I thought I heard him say that they took it out and did a closer examination with video and cameras, and I wondered if at that point it was thought to be dead. | |
| No, that was prior to it showing me that it was still alive. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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One other question I did have for you was, because I'm a dog owner and I have great sympathy for your loss as far as your dog was concerned, one of the things that I didn't hear you mention which made me kind of wonder was at the point at which you determined that the dog was being physically harmed by this entity, you didn't mention anything about the dog making any noise or shrieking or crying out or anything. | |
| You just said that you ran up and you hit this thing. | ||
| And so I kind of wondered if that was just something that you overlooked or you didn't mention. | ||
| Well, no, he did mention he was hearing that noise well before he arrived on the scene. | ||
| Yeah, he said he was hearing the dog in terrible distress. | ||
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I thought mostly that he had said that it was barking more angrily or something. | |
| During the actual physical tearing apart of the animal, there was a sound that no one should ever hear. | ||
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I can sympathize. | |
| From the dog or from the dog. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Such dying agony, there was no question what was, you know, the dog was in terrible pain. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, given similar circumstances, I think I probably would have done the same thing that you did. | ||
| But I'm wondering if this artifact that you have actually, may actually be the weapon, for lack of a better term, that caused this to happen to your dog. | ||
| That's a great question because we've that as well. | ||
| That is a very possibility. | ||
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Well, I look forward to dealing with you. | |
| All right, Mark. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Send us an email. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Dr. Reed and Robert, hold on. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| And do one more hour of caller questions about all of this. | ||
| Wanted to get the audience, give the audience an opportunity to ask anything they wanted. | ||
| Again, if you would like to email Dr. Reed, it's D-R-Reed. | ||
| That's D-R-R-E-E-D link, L-I-N-K, at A-O-L.com. | ||
| Dr. ReedLink at AOL.com. | ||
| All right. | ||
| A couple of things I would like to clear up, and then we'll move on. | ||
| Dr. Somebody writes, Greg writes, how is it that the doctor just happened to record the scream of the alien when opening the freezer? | ||
| Why was he carrying a tape recorder turned on when opening the freezer? | ||
| That was not the first time that I had gone out to the freezer. | ||
| This was much later when I made that recording. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That answers that. | ||
| We asked you what kind of cameras you had, and some people thought they heard you say you had a Nikon, was it Nikon? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A Nikon camcorder, and you didn't say that. | ||
| You said you had an 8mm camcorder? | ||
| It's an 8-millimeter, straight 8, but it is made by Nikon. | ||
| It is? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| A lot of people have said they weren't aware that Nikon ever made that. | ||
| It's an older machine. | ||
| A straight eight. | ||
| Not the high eight. | ||
| The high eight, right. | ||
| And the 35mm camera was an older Nikon camera. | ||
| Okay, good enough. | ||
| Cleared that up. | ||
| Straight optics. | ||
| Yeah, indeed. | ||
| Obviously, pictures are good. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Race. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Hi, this is John in Houston. | ||
| Hi, John. | ||
| I heard the first interview that they had with you, and if I can remember correctly, you didn't get followed around and your house didn't get ransacked until after you had made your calls to the UFO people. | ||
| Do you think there's any connection with that? | ||
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Or how do you believe that they even found out? | |
| That's a pretty good question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's a great question. | ||
| Number one, if you've noticed in any of our interviews, We are not putting anyone down nor mentioning any specific groups directly because of litigation reasons, because of lawsuits. | ||
| But not all of the quote-unquote legitimate UFO agencies are positive for the betterment of all our people. | ||
| I can imagine that. | ||
| Some of them, I believe, are sub-government-controlled and or sponsored. | ||
| I do believe that after we started making our inquiries, that that's when these things started happening. | ||
| And that's exactly right. | ||
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Also, do you believe if your dog had not been with you that day, how do you believe there would have been a different turnabout as far as would have been a friendly encounter? | |
| Of course, that calls for speculation. | ||
| It is an interesting question. | ||
| Had your dog not been with you, Doctor? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Obviously, all I am recording is what happened. | ||
| Not what might have happened, yeah. | ||
| Maybe it would have heard me coming, and I would have never seen it. | ||
| Maybe you wouldn't be here talking to us right now. | ||
| Maybe a lot of things. | ||
| That's yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Raith and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Hello? | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Oh, hi. | ||
| Yeah, my name is Steve. | ||
| I'm from Fresno, California. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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First time caller and first time on National Radio, so I'm kind of excited about that. | |
| All right. | ||
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I really enjoy your program, Mr. Bell. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| I would like to basically respond to the lady. | ||
| I would love to correspond with her about the lady who saw when they came in her room, your bedroom, I guess, at night. | ||
| They were visiting her, she said. | ||
| I had an experience basically of the same exact thing she did. | ||
| They were like a grayish-white. | ||
| I was in bed one night, and I woke up. | ||
| I looked up and I saw what I could swear was a man, but I could swear it was me. | ||
| I was believe it or not. | ||
| And there was five of these things. | ||
| They looked, had large eyes. | ||
| They were grayish-white, and as I lifted up, set up a bed, one of them pointed towards me. | ||
| Have you seen the photographs on the website, sir? | ||
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No, see, I don't have a computer. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
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The minute I set up, one of them pointed at me. | |
| There were about five of them, and I went, it just like it knocked me out. | ||
| Well, listen, I appreciate your report, but we're trying to hold it open for questions for Dr. Reed. | ||
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Sure, but I just wanted to report that I did agree with the lady on the program that called in. | |
| I had the same experience. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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People, guys, Reed, I think you've done a wonderful job, and I appreciate you sharing this with the people. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| You know, if people want to go to your website or they want to see the pictures or whatnot, most libraries now have computers. | ||
| You can always go down to a local library. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And they can also get your After Dark. | ||
| After Dark newsletter, that lags a little bit, but believe me, the photographs are going in there. | ||
| I think we've already got one issue out with it. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Race and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
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Hi, this is Scarlett from Eagle Point, Oregon. | |
| Hello there. | ||
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Hi, I have a couple of questions about the alien and then one about the lie detector test. | |
| All right. | ||
| To tell whether a human being is dead or alive, you check for pulse and respirations. | ||
| And I wondered if once you struck the alien in the woods and you got your wits about you, if you checked for pulse and respirations. | ||
| And did you check when you did the examination? | ||
| That's my first question. | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
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What did you get? | |
| As far as I could tell, there was no breathing recognized and no pulse that I could find. | ||
| Now again, I was feeling through this material, this skin suit. | ||
| But as far as the alien breathing that I could notice, I saw no sign of life. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Did you notice any sign of gender, whether it was male or female? | ||
| You've been calling it Freddie? | ||
| Yes, we affectionately call it Freddie just because of something that my friend Gary recognized. | ||
| And it explains that in the book in great detail. | ||
| But in examining Freddie, I could find no sign of female or male genitalia at all. | ||
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Well, what did your friend find? | |
| Well, he didn't find anything either. | ||
| It was just a name that we coined to call him. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And I wanted to ask about the hair. | ||
| In the photo on the Internet, it almost looked like the alien has a mohawk, but it doesn't look quite like hair. | ||
| Was there hair down the center of the body? | ||
| Yeah, that's a good question. | ||
| What do we see back there? | ||
| No, there is no hair on the body at all that I could find. | ||
| As far as the photographs that Art recently put up on the web, all it is is skin, wrinkles, some folds, some basically veins. | ||
| Other than that, the skin was very much like a pig skin or a leathery material, very old in texture and feel. | ||
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Did it feel rubbery-like or did it feel like human skin? | |
| It was much denser than the skin on our face. | ||
| Much more leathery is the best word I can use. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And then I have a question about the lie detector test. | ||
| I wondered where you had the test taken, who took the test, and how that came about. | ||
| I had that done through people that I have called the Alliance of Source. | ||
| And it was done through a university criminology department. | ||
| And I set that up myself. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Will that be in the book? | |
| Eventually. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| I'm anxious. | ||
| Do you happen to know if and when the film will be released for us to purchase and where we can get it? | ||
| Of course, she's referring to the video that I have. | ||
| Again, As soon as possible. | ||
| Now, I will say one thing. | ||
| In upcoming months, there are people currently working on bringing this information out to the public, and I think we are actually going to do some presentations. | ||
| God help us. | ||
| All right, all right, very good. | ||
| I'll look forward to that. | ||
| So it would be a matter of, you think, months? | ||
| Within the next few months. | ||
| Next few months. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on here with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Hello there. | ||
|
unidentified
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Hello. | |
| Yes, hello. | ||
|
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Okay, you have me, right? | |
| I have you, yes. | ||
|
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My name is Tom. | |
| Tom, where are you? | ||
| Poughkeepsie, New York. | ||
| Poughkeepsie, all right? | ||
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Familiar with Poughkeepsie? | |
| Yes, I am. | ||
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Well, you answered some of the questions I have here about the vital signs. | |
| Vital signs. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And did he take measurements? | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| He usually do in autopsies and... | ||
| As far as I was concerned, there were no vital signs. | ||
| No vital signs. | ||
| And as far as measurements go, I did measure him from head to toe. | ||
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It was 53 inches. | |
| And I did weigh him, and it was 51 pounds. | ||
| Okay, Robert, I take it you've got all this in the book, right? | ||
|
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Yes, it is. | |
| All right, good. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reese. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi, my name's Mike. | |
| I'm from Salem, Oregon. | ||
| Hi, Mike. | ||
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And I was calling, I was just kind of curious. | |
| Now, when the dog, when he hit the dog, or when the dog was getting attacked by this creature, now, how is it that you were able to strike him with a stick without him getting you two? | ||
| Well, I think it might have been just luck. | ||
| Luck? | ||
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Luck. | |
| Yeah? | ||
| I was just kind of curious about that, because did he use some kind of a weapon on the dog? | ||
| I don't know for sure. | ||
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You don't know for sure? | |
| He described what was happening to the dog. | ||
| What happened to the dog was literally it imploded into itself. | ||
| As incredible as that sounds, as if you could open a drain in the side of the dog and the body literally circularly went into that hole until there was nothing left. | ||
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Wow. | |
| AR, like last week when Ed Daves was on the show, I know this is totally off the subject, but it was kind of important to me. | ||
| There was a basketball game on KEX and they didn't play the first part of the show, so I missed it. | ||
| And he did the Nostragamus thing, the seventh month of 99. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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What was that he said that was coming from the sky? | |
| King of Fears. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What I recommend to you is I can't take the time right now. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| You'll have to go back and listen to the archive, which is on the web, and that'll fill in the blanks for you. | ||
| It would take too much time right now. | ||
| I have another guest on. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Raith. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Mary from Buffalo, New York. | |
| Hello, Mary. | ||
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Hi. | |
| I have three revelations, very short. | ||
| Number one, the description of it appearing like a gray. | ||
| Perhaps it is like us humans here, like we have all different races. | ||
| So them being slightly different, some I've heard five fingers, some I've heard three fingers or four. | ||
| So they are like us, like they have different races on the planet. | ||
| Entirely possible. | ||
| Very possible. | ||
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Number two, the obelisk, I thought of it as being a teleportation device from another dimension. | |
| Exactly. | ||
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Really? | |
| Okay. | ||
| I think you're closer to it than. | ||
| A lot of people early on thought it was a ship, and I think we don't think it's a ship. | ||
| No, we don't. | ||
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All right, number three, having no genitals, perhaps they are cloned. | |
| They don't have sex like we procreate. | ||
| They are cloned. | ||
| That's a possibility. | ||
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Okay, thank you. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| All right, thank you, and have a good day. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reid. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Hi. | |
| My name's George from San Angelo, Texas. | ||
| Yes, George. | ||
|
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And the question I would have, other than it screaming at one time, did the creature communicate anything either verbally or telepathically to you at any time when you were trying to communicate with it? | |
| Yes, it did. | ||
| At a later time, and again, it's chronicled in the book, I made an attempt to go to the garage, go to the freezer, open the door of the freezer where no sound was made, but it was moving. | ||
| It actually got out of the freezer by itself, sat in front of the freezer, and took some water from a bowl with its fingers up to its mouth. | ||
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Was it a verbal communication or telepathic? | |
| Well, I don't think there was no words communicated, but there was a scream communicated and a second scream attempted when I put my hands to my ears because the scream was not a typical scream. | ||
| It was a shriek that would throw you against the wall, practically. | ||
| And when the second time that started to happen, I threw my hand over my ears and yelled, no! | ||
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And it didn't make a sound. | |
| Did you get any distinct impression or like a feeling of sorts? | ||
| Maybe it was, you know, of something that may have been said or a feeling that you had? | ||
| Well, I had a lot of feelings, and there were a lot of mixed emotions dealing with this thing. | ||
|
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In other words, like something maybe it was directing to you, trying to give you an impression about something? | |
| Possibly. | ||
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Okay, and then by the way, Arth, it's very good to have you back, and thanks for the opportunity. | |
| Okay, thank you very much for the call. | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Yeah, they were. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Hello. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Dr. Reed. | |
| Where are you, sir? | ||
| Well, I'm stationed at Fort Orland, California, which is right across away from you, Art. | ||
| But right now, I'm up in Castle Rock, Colorado. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Dr. Reed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did you ever get any fluid samples from Freddie, like a blood or excrement or anything like that? | ||
| Yes, we did. | ||
| And As I explained earlier, I did take that in to a medical facility and was told within a day that they had never received it and they had no idea what I was talking about. | ||
| Do you yourself know by chance could you compare it to like our blood or human? | ||
| The material that I took was cranial fluid, which is a combination of, if it was a human, it's a combination of water and also blood. | ||
| And that's what it looked like to me. | ||
| Now the color was a little bit lighter than the color of human blood. | ||
| A little bit more transparent, but it's very similar. | ||
| So I believe that it had an oxygen-based blood. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Well, I guess that about does it for me. | ||
| All right, Collin. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Somebody writes, I have thoroughly enjoyed all the broadcasts with Dr. Reid and Robert Reid. | ||
| However, I have a problem with them calling the objects pictured on your site an obelisk. | ||
| The obelisk is a well-known geometric structure, the most well-known probably being the Washington Monument. | ||
| That's an obelisk. | ||
| I would think you'd more correctly call it a tetrahedron. | ||
| And that probably is true, but it's just a name that you gave it, isn't it? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| In other words, it is not a scientific conclusion. | ||
| It's just what you decided to call it. | ||
| It was better than calling it a pento. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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The name obelisk also gives you a feeling. | |
| That's why it's called obelisk. | ||
| All right. | ||
| First time call our line. | ||
| You're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
|
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Hi. | |
| Hi, this is Ken. | ||
| I'm calling from Vancouver, listening on CPUN. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
|
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A couple of nights ago, you had James on who remote viewed the pictures and said they were hoaxes. | |
| Yes, I wonder, Dr. Reed, if you happened to hear that. | ||
| Yes, I did, through another source. | ||
| And he talked about a black box and that he saw this picture being taken in a black box with black background? | ||
| Yes, that's what I was told. | ||
| The only thing I have to say to that is the negatives will stand on their own. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And no matter what anybody says, I know what I saw and I know what I photographed. | ||
| And it's all there. | ||
| And I don't want to throw any mud at anyone. | ||
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I'm out here to do that. | |
| Lark? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Ed Baines claims to be always 100% accurate. | |
| Could this be his first on-air mistake? | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| It depends, caller, obviously, on what you believe. | ||
| But I'll say this much. | ||
| I'll say this much. | ||
| If we're given an opportunity to examine the negatives, I think we can conclusively decide, at least people who do that kind of work can, whether we have the genuine thing on our hands. | ||
| At least we're going to have the opportunity to examine them. | ||
| And we've got Dr. Reed. | ||
| And I really appreciate your coming on the air and just sort of facing the public raw. | ||
| Thank you, Larry. | ||
| All right, here we go. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. First Time Callers, Area 702-727-1222. | ||
|
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California? | |
| Hey, Larry, I'm going to have to bleep that out. | ||
| The only thing we don't allow on the show, basically, is using your last name. | ||
| So give us your first name only. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You are. | ||
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This is Larry from Proondale, California. | |
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
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I have a couple of questions, one for Mr. Race and a couple for Dr. Reed. | |
| Mr. Race, what was your prior relationship with Dr. Reed and what do you do for a living? | ||
| Right now, I'm mainly just doing this. | ||
| I'm writing, working with other people, and I want to be working on some other cases involving other things. | ||
|
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As far as prior, I didn't know Jonathan prior to any of this. | |
| He called me. | ||
| He contacted me. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why did he contact you? | ||
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Some individuals from, as he calls them, the alliance referred to me because I am right and because I am willing to give people a shot. | |
| And Robert was an unknown target. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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Dr. Reed, I do have one additional question. | |
| I was very curious that you had this being out sitting before you taking fluids. | ||
| Then how did he get back into the freezer and you lock him up again? | ||
| I actually sat there and watched him crawl back in the freezer on his own. | ||
| Good Lord. | ||
| Now this was a very labored being at this point. | ||
| This was no longer a fast vibrating, you know, stimulating type being. | ||
| This was very labored, very in distress. | ||
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Wouldn't you have tried to maybe assist him at this point and maybe warm him up or give him some other sustenance or something? | |
| Well, I did try. | ||
| I did make attempts. | ||
| And again, those are chronicled in the book. | ||
| But it seemed to like where it was at. | ||
| I have a feeling that the cold had something to do with that. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| That's really something. | ||
| I hadn't heard that before. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Caller, thank you. | ||
|
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Thank you very much. | |
| All right, take care. | ||
| Here's somebody from El Paso, Texas, sending an email to me. | ||
| Would you please ask Dr. Reed if he's even speculated as to what the alien was doing in the woods in the first place? | ||
| Actually, I've done a lot of thinking about it, but again, it would be total speculation because I have no clue. | ||
| There was no signs of any tools or digging or sampling of anything. | ||
| I thought about vegetation or plants or anything. | ||
| But the only thing I found was one small piece of hardware, which again, I had in my possession, and it has been throwed away out of the country, no longer in my hands. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Graith. | ||
| I can, I can, well, say it again. | ||
|
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This is Barry from Kansas City. | |
| Hello, Barry. | ||
|
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I was wondering if Dr. Reed had encountered any distinctive odors while in the proximity of this alien. | |
| Oh, good question. | ||
| Yes, in fact, we talked about that on the last program. | ||
| People always ask, what did I smell? | ||
| What did it smell like? | ||
| It smelled to me, while I was examining it very closely. | ||
| I mean, I was close enough to be within a foot of the wound. | ||
| It smelled like rotting fruit. | ||
| That's the best description I can give. | ||
|
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Okay, thanks for taking my call. | |
| That's it, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, thank you. | ||
| And take care. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
|
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Hello, this is Jerry in Santa Rosa. | |
| Oh, Jerry, you're going to have to yell at us. | ||
|
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Okay, is that a little better? | |
| That's better. | ||
|
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I've got two questions, but that's okay. | |
| Sure. | ||
|
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First, I was wondering, you know, you had mentioned, the doctor had mentioned earlier that he had his friend Gary, I believe his name was, his parents. | |
| He was still in touch with his parents. | ||
| This would also relate to his girlfriend or the 18-year-old, whoever was involved. | ||
| There must be some other people that are wondering about their disappearance, so there should probably be a missing persons report filed with the police department, wouldn't there? | ||
| There have been. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Are you going to include copies of that or anything in your book? | ||
| No, I'm not, because these people are innocent bystanders that are left. | ||
| And my life and my significant other's life were totally torn apart because of this event. | ||
| I mean, I lost my relationship because of this event. | ||
| I lost my best friend because of this event. | ||
| And I am not going to throw their names into the hat to again be torn apart. | ||
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You know, I kind of wish I was your friend because I'd throw my name in. | |
| That's what I would do for a true friend of mine. | ||
| Second question I had was why do you, if you fear this whole incident, you know, I did hear the first airing that you had on this, and you said that you spent a lot of time dodging people that were out after you, and you spent much time in fear, intense fear, in fact, you had said, why now do you want to write a book about this? | ||
| I mean, wouldn't you just want to get away from it? | ||
| Well, I've tried to get away from it for two years, and I've learned a lot of things in those two years that I never knew before. | ||
| And I think a lot of those things that I've experienced and that I've learned, other people would like to know also. | ||
| Yeah, there's no question about that. | ||
| There will inevitably be people who will accuse you of financial motivations. | ||
| And I suppose there are some. | ||
| In other words, you don't have much of a life now otherwise, do you? | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| And I have a right to earn a living, too. | ||
| As Bob Kiviat does, as Robert Raith does, as Art Bell does. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| No, you're exactly correct. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raith. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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Portland, Oregon. | |
| My name is Ray. | ||
| Yes, Ray. | ||
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I had a quick question. | |
| He said that Gary disappeared, Mr. Reed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And your other friend, Dolly, passed away. | ||
| My question was, has anything happened to your immediate family or strange things, maybe MIDs or just strange things happening to them or other family members? | ||
| Well, aunts, uncles? | ||
| Actually, there have been several different incidents, but nothing with any deaths or missing people other than the two I mentioned. | ||
|
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And also in your first interview, you said the alien shaked. | |
| Was it a fast shake? | ||
| I mean, like you couldn't even see it? | ||
| We were shaking as if the same visual shaking as a paint can in a paint shaker. | ||
| Where you almost can't see it, but yet you can see the outline of it? | ||
| More of a vibration than a shake, almost. | ||
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Do you think the shaking is the cause of you think it was like in a some type of warp or trance in some type of deal where it made your dog do this? | |
| I actually don't have a clue to that. | ||
| Think it works? | ||
| Because it never did it again. | ||
| Okay, sir. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| A lot of people are concerned about your being at their surprise that you were able to strike the alien. | ||
| After its movement, it's in the middle of an encounter with a dog, and here you were able to walk up to it and hit it. | ||
| Do you have any thoughts on that? | ||
| Well, the only thing I can say, and people tend to forget that in describing this story, which is in great detail we've done again, it takes a long time to set the scene so people can understand what happened. | ||
| But in truth, the whole event took place in 15 to 20 seconds from seeing the being with my dog, destroying the dog, and lunging forward and striking it. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| People get it out of perspective. | ||
| They listen to it over a period of hours, and I guess you tend to think, how do you know the guy had lots of time to think? | ||
| Well, he didn't. | ||
| 15 to 20 seconds for the whole thing from the time he came over the hill. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All right. | ||
| East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Reed and Robert Raith. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| My name's Frank. | ||
| I'm calling from Lascar Falls, New York. | ||
| Hello, Frank. | ||
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How you doing? | |
| Fine. | ||
|
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One question. | |
| I seem to notice that the story remains fairly consistent between the interviews. | ||
| The only question that I had was concerning the visit to his house, when his house was ransacked and the evidence was taken. | ||
| The first time he mentioned that he drove by and actually saw the vans and people carrying stuff. | ||
| This time he said that it was the neighbors that it saw, and He didn't say that he had directly witnessed it. | ||
| I wouldn't wonder if he could comment on that. | ||
| Okay, Doctor? | ||
| That was in reference to the question that was asked: whether the neighbors had seen anything. | ||
| And yes, they had seen the vans also. | ||
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Did you see them yourself? | |
| Yes, I did. | ||
| I drove right by them. | ||
|
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How many of them were there? | |
| Three. | ||
|
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Three? | |
| And roughly how many individuals? | ||
| What I saw was probably between maybe four and six at the most, but I was driving by at a pretty good cliff. | ||
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I can understand that. | |
| Were they dressed in any sort of manner? | ||
| Did they have suits on? | ||
| No, okay. | ||
| Basically like moving men. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Like moving men. | ||
| That's very interesting. | ||
| All right, like a jumpsuit. | ||
| Yeah, I've got you. | ||
| All right, Cohler, thank you. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| And take care. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
| Hi. | ||
|
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Good evening, Art. | |
| Good evening, Dr. Reed. | ||
| Hello. | ||
|
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This is Elizabeth from Kenai Peninsula, Alaska. | |
| Beautiful part of the country. | ||
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I'm sorry? | |
| It's a beautiful part of the country. | ||
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Yes, and we have about six feet of snow on the ground right now. | |
| And another storm came through last night, so I have to dig out before I get to go anywhere. | ||
| My question is, I was wondering, I've heard about, you know, you're concerned as far as the government is obviously getting into your business here. | ||
| Have you tried contacting any of the, say, congressmen or officials who are interested in exposing this and have had difficulty on their own doing so, such as Whitley Streever is mentioned in his books? | ||
| Well, politics is a very different type of bedfellow. | ||
| Everybody seems to have an agenda of their own. | ||
| And again, in the book, we do talk about different sources that we went through and did talk to. | ||
| But basically, what would happen is we would not get the time of day. | ||
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Even from the ones who have expressed interest previously? | |
| We may not have hit on those at that time. | ||
|
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Okay, well, that was my question. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| You've got your answer. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
|
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Jonathan didn't have a list of interested congressmen when he was going out and talking to these people. | |
| And even those that are interested, there's still, you know, there's a gray area there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, I can easily understand that. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on there with Robert Raith and Dr. Jonathan Reed. | ||
|
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Yes, good evening. | |
| This is Frank Hulling from New York City. | ||
| Hi, Frank. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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My question is, I want to know, do you know what the, do you have any idea possibly what the government or whoever these people are that retrieved who took the bean from your premises, what they may be doing or storing? | |
| Well, first of all, I don't know that, in fact, they did take him. | ||
| I know that when I returned to my house that the freezer and Freddie were gone. | ||
| Now, I can't prove that they did it. | ||
| I never saw them carry the freezer to their van. | ||
| But all I know is what I saw when I drove by and what I saw when I went back. | ||
| Do I know what they're doing with him? | ||
| I don't know that they still have him, but I also don't know that they don't. | ||
| But I do know that there is a lot of material out in this world that people don't want you to know about. | ||
| And that pretty soon, a lot of it's going to be coming out. | ||
|
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And on my other question, do you think it's one particular organization holding this material, or is it many organizations do you think holding these different materials? | |
| By what I have determined, I think it's a joint program of many, many different sources. | ||
|
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Thank you very much. | |
| All right, sir. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| Time is short, I'm afraid. | ||
| West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Race. | ||
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Dr. Reed? | |
| Yes. | ||
|
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I would like to know a little about your background, where you went to school and what kind of degrees you have. | |
| Well, at this time, all that information is in the book, but we're also trying to protect other family members. | ||
| And that information, like I said, is portrayed in the book to give you the answers you need. | ||
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So you've been published and you've written papers and that sort of thing? | |
| Yes, I have. | ||
| How long did you go to school, approximately? | ||
| Seven years. | ||
| Are you talking about college? | ||
| Yes, uh-huh. | ||
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Well, I'm sorry, but I have to vote a vote of skepticism. | |
| Fine. | ||
|
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Your story sounds real good, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| All right, thank you for the call. | ||
| And that really is fine. | ||
| There are a lot of people, obviously, who are going to be skeptical. | ||
| And perhaps that is as it should be. | ||
| In other words, had I not experienced seeing a craft close up, I would be skeptical of many reports of craft that have been seen that were as close as mine. | ||
| I'd be skeptical. | ||
| It's a healthy thing to be skeptical. | ||
| Is there anything that either one of you wanted to get out tonight, Robert, that we haven't managed to get out? | ||
| No, let's see. | ||
| D-R-R-E-E-D-L-I-N-K at A-O-L.com. | ||
| You guys are going to have a lot of fun answering a lot of emails. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| San Diego, it's a San Diego UFO Society. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And their phone number is 1-619-299-9157. | |
| What part have they played in this? | ||
| They've been a clearinghouse for a lot of our sources to try to get this information out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's the San Diego UFO Society at Area Code 619-299-9157. | ||
| When did you go to them, Doctor? | ||
| We went to them Through another source. | ||
| And that source is Chris Fine, who has helped us direct getting some of this information out. | ||
| That's a source in San Diego. | ||
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Their mailing address is PO Box 34351 San Diego, California, 92103. | |
| 92103. | ||
| You better do that again. | ||
| The San Diego UFO Society. | ||
|
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P.O. Box 34351. | |
| Right. | ||
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San Diego, California, 92103. | |
| And what would they, if somebody were to write to them, what would one expect? | ||
| Well, they can write about inquiries, they can write about help, help us getting this information out. | ||
| I'm willing to talk to literary agents and or publishers and or printers to get this out. | ||
| Well, you'll get plenty of that now. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of information here. | ||
| This isn't about just the photographs. | ||
| This is about getting the information out. | ||
| Letting people decide for themselves, you know, by reading the story, by listening to you, Art, who have given us a wonderful forum to get some of this information out. | ||
| Well, I felt that it was important to have you two on one last time to face the audience and answer the tough questions, and so that's what we have done. | ||
| Thank you, Art, and thank you very much. | ||
|
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And we certainly appreciate your audience. | |
| Good night, and to both of you, be safe. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| Happy New Year to you, too. | ||
| And so there you have it, folks. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You've just heard the story again, and you've heard kind of a grilling of Dr. Reed throughout the night. | ||
| And I don't know what else I can do. | ||
| That's what a forum like this should do. | ||
| And so I thought one more night, mainly with phone calls, was in order, and I think it was. | ||
| So as usual, I leave it to you. | ||
| Look at the photographs. | ||
| They're on my website at www.artbell.com. | ||
| Send email to Dr. Reed. | ||
| Consider the story, and make up your own mind. | ||
| Your adults. | ||
| From the high desert, I'm Art Bell. |
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