Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith recount Reed’s 1996 Cascade Mountains encounter with a 53-inch, 50-pound alien in a black skin suit—his dog Susie "imploded" into ash while Reed struck it with a bat, drawing dark red blood. The creature, later found alive in his freezer, vanished after his home was ransacked by suspicious figures in jumpsuits nine days later, alongside stolen evidence and blood samples. Their book Link: An Extraterrestrial Odyssey ties the incident to Mars, DNA manipulation, and global conspiracies, but publishers face threats, and key details remain hidden. Reed’s lie detector test passed, yet his career collapsed under scrutiny. The artifact—a metallic "controller" with needles—hints at an unknown purpose, while surveillance and missing allies suggest a coordinated cover-up. With evidence distributed globally, their claims force a reckoning: if true, humanity’s understanding of extraterrestrial life—and its own secrets—must change. [Automatically generated summary]
Once again, here I am, and I always use this bumper music because that's how Robert Wraith got my attention the first time.
He said, want to take a ride?
And a ride, indeed, it has been.
Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed are my guests tonight.
Dr. Jonathan Reed had an encounter with an alien being and an obelisk in the woods in Washington.
We have done, I think, two prior shows on this, and actually, the other night, Bob Kiviot said to me on the phone as we were doing the show on the alien hoax thing that ran tonight, that in his opinion, this now rises to the level of the alien autopsy, and it'll probably be in his next program.
So, there you are.
Tonight, we're going to do, I guess we'll do a recap on the incident itself, and we'll try and keep that short.
And we'll follow that up with your questions.
Now, let me advise you that photographs of the story that you're about to hear are on my website.
In fact, there are two brand new ones that just got on my website because the good doctor just sent them to me last week.
These photographs show in great detail the side of the alien head, the unseen side, the other side, the unhurt side.
And they also show the doctor examining the eye of the alien.
Now, in World's Greatest Hoaxes, that was pretty well panned with the exception of one call last hour, they said, you've got to know where this stuff comes from.
They kept saying that in the show.
In this case, we know where this stuff comes from.
It comes from Dr. Reed, who's my guest.
He'll be up shortly.
Now, once again, I want to preface what's about to happen by telling you that Dr. Reed has sent me two new photographs of the absolutely astounding apparent encounter that Dr. Reed had with this alien.
And these new photographs are even more detailed, closer up, and more amazing.
So if you want to see the latest, they went up actually this weekend, this last weekend, or at the beginning of the holiday weekend.
And they are on my website now.
So if you have access to a computer, or you can get to a computer, do it.
And go to my website at www.artbell, that's A-R-T-D-E-L-L dot com.
www.artbell.com, no capitals, just like that.
Artbell.com.
And you will see in the new section an announcement of the two latest photographs received.
Two new Jonathan Reed alien photos is what you want to click on and take a look.
Now, Robert Rafe introduced me to Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Asked me if I wanted to take a ride and what ride it's been.
Well, I had to ask, since the person brought it up, I thought it was a legitimate question.
It was a good question.
Both of you, Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed, before we encapsulate the story for the audience that might not have heard it, first of all, did you both see the Hoaxes the Hoax show tonight on Fox?
Yes, I found it fascinating from the standpoint that the only thing it proved to me was it's one more huge attempt of disinformation.
I mean, it proves to me that the disinformation campaign has risen to such a height that Hollywood is behind it from the standpoint of it's making money for certain sources.
And it's also creating, if nothing else, a balance.
You know, on one side you have the believers and the people that bring up evidence and have stories of their own.
And now you have the other side of the coin.
So if nothing else, it's creating a balance.
But I didn't think it caught my attention in the way I hoped it would.
This is definitely a heavily forested area, dense foliage, thick tree canopy, definitely the woods, not a public park.
And we had been walking for some time and nothing outstanding happened other than earlier in the day we had spotted the deer.
And of course, when wildlife appears, a dog will take off and go running.
And that was the case.
At times, Susie would take off, you know, like a bolt and come back ten minutes later, you know, all tuckered out, but, you know, probably treeing a raccoon or a squirrel or who knows what.
And Susie, you know, being still young, she was about seven years old, still had a lot of venom and vigor and was able to tackle the hills and the trails without any problem.
So she would, like I say, take off after almost anything.
We had been walking for some time and all of a sudden she took off and I heard her barking up ahead on the trail.
And the barking changed its tone.
It got very, very serious.
It was almost as if the dog was being treed instead of the dog treeing something else.
And this was getting more in distress by the seconds.
At that point, I kind of took off my pack.
I had a J-pack, and kind of threw it down and was walking up a gradual slope up the hill and decided that I'd better pick up maybe a heavy branch or a stick to possibly defend off, you know, a bear.
And so I grabbed the stick, I ran up the hill, and as I crested the hill, I saw my dog involved with this creature.
At that point, I didn't know what it was.
All I could tell was the dog had the creature by the arm, and it was nothing I had ever witnessed before.
My first impression was that it was probably a child because it was childlike in size.
It had two arms, two legs, and a head, and I was approximately 25 feet away from it at that point.
And it was moving very, very fast, very rapid motion.
And I think in my mind at that moment, Even though it was standing in a fixed position, it was vibrating somewhat like a can of paint and a paint shaker.
While the creature was moving in the manner you described and the dog had hold of it, was the dog also moving in that manner or did it not appear that way?
At that point, you know, I don't know what took over.
I looked at this.
I yelled as loud as I could, Susie, let go, you know, get away from that thing, thinking Susie was attacking it.
And at that moment, I started to witness the dog's actual physical body starting to deteriorate, starting to almost implode, the skin and snout of her head peeling back against the back of her neck.
And this was all happening in just seconds.
And in between second to second, I would see this thing stop shaking with its head, the body still moving very vibrantly, and stop and look at me, staring at me, and then turn back and again back to Susie.
Well, at that point, I ran forward with my bat, my wooden bat, and jumped straight in front of it and clubbed it.
And this all happened within about 20 to 30 seconds.
It let out a scream, as I remember, at the same moment, and I hit the left side of the creature's head hard enough to slam it backwards and to one side about four feet.
And at the same time this was happening, my dog was literally imploding into nothing.
I got up, tried to walk, and couldn't, and fell back down to my knees, and was so emotionally distraught that I was moaning and sobbing at what had happened, especially to my dog.
And at that point, I started to try to pull myself together, walking away from this scene to focus on something else, anything else.
And again, very, very seriously sick and very weak.
And at this point, I started to hear something else, like a sound that I had never heard before, almost a harmonic type of vibration sound.
And it just barely lifted on the wind.
But at first, I thought, ah, maybe it's another hiker or a camper.
Maybe somebody can help me.
Because at that point, I knew I was so sick that I barely could stand for more than maybe a minute or two without falling down and sitting back down.
So I tried to get some kind of vector on where the sound was coming from, but it was almost impossible.
So I picked myself up and started to walk back down the trail where I had been, where I had dropped my pack, and still could not clearly hear where it was coming from, but I was grabbing at straws at that point.
And I ran farther back down the trail, and at that point I did not see anything.
So I kind of stopped, again, got sick, turned around, started to walk back toward my pack.
And at that point, through the brush, approximately 300, well, maybe 150 to 250 feet away at that point, I saw something out of the ordinary.
When you're in the woods, you see brush, you see trees, you see rocks, you see ground cover.
But what I saw was nothing that belonged there.
This was a black shape, almost a diamond shape, like a marquee diamond.
Okay, and I have two of the obelisk pictures, photographs up on my website.
Now, people really should look at these.
And by the way, there has been some, you know, armchair quarterbacking going on regarding the obelisk.
I think somebody put one up on a website and said, see, look, it's the same one, but it actually went up on the website after your photograph, so that doesn't count.
With regard to the alien, people have complained that all they see is the head and the, I think, the arms, and they don't see.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Anyway, you packed up, you had a sort of what, a heat, what would you call that, a thermal blanket?
I had a thermal blanket in my pack for safety's sake.
When you hike in the woods, you never know what's going to happen.
You could fall.
You could break your leg.
You may be there for days.
So you take some basic rations with you, and one of those is the thermal blanket.
You can't.
It's a very lightweight, almost a mylar-based piece of material that's reflective and totally will block the wind and will keep you alive in the case of an emergency.
Well I had that with me.
At that point I had taken every picture I could take.
I had exhausted that.
I thought, okay, I'll go back.
Maybe I can hide this thing, this creature, to keep from animals getting at us.
Sure.
And I thought, well, if I pick up enough rocks, I could cover it with rocks, and that would help.
Well, none of the rocks in the area were loose enough to do that with.
Then I thought about, well, I've got the thermal blanket.
Maybe I can wrap it up in the thermal blanket, put it against the hillside, and cover it with branches.
So I started to do that.
I laid the thermal blanket out, and even though I didn't want to, I rolled this creature into this thermal blanket.
And as I rolled it up, like a burrito, and it was surprisingly light.
It weighed only about 50 pounds total in weight.
The creature was only 53 inches tall.
So very light, very thin.
And I rolled it up and I moved it and I realized this thing was so light and I started looking for a place to put it.
And as I grabbed it in one arm, I grabbed my pack with the other and I started walking down the trail to find a place to hide this thing.
I thought we could do this a little faster, but obviously we've got to get it all in.
We're most of the way there.
There is more to tell, and then we're going to let you ask questions.
All right.
We are intentionally now leaving some details that we gave you before out in the interest of time, and even doing that, we have not unwound the story in the time I wanted.
So, Dr. Reed, here you are.
Now you've got the alien finally back, or this creature, back to your automobile.
Stopping a couple of times to regenerate myself from being sick, relieved myself.
And back in the car, home I went, pulling into my carport, to make a long story short, and looking back in the rearview mirror, seeing what I had in the back end, which reiterated the fact that this wasn't reality.
At that point I got out, I went in the house, I thought about calling my girlfriend, tried to call her, she wasn't home, left a message, called my best friend, he wasn't home, left a message, decided what am I going to do with this thing?
And so I eventually went back out to the car, took it out of the back of my Jeep, took it into the garage, and put it in my freezer.
And again, to make the long story short, about three and a half days later, I went back out to the freezer, hearing a noise which I thought might have been rats or the compressor going out.
And I looked around, and no, the compressor was working, and everything seemed okay.
But I heard what sounded like a scratching sound coming from what I thought was behind the freezer, but then I realized, no, I don't think it's behind the freezer.
And I thought, okay, well, I'll just open the lid.
And all of a sudden, I realized that my extraterrestrial was no longer dead or never had been.
At this point, it was moving and turned its head and moved its arm.
while he's doing that it's important to know that jonathan freaked out pretty bad when he thought he was alive it wasn't anything I mean, he really lost it.
During the first three days prior to it reanimating, which is the word you used, I did, yes.
I got a hold of my friend, Gary, and him and I sat down and tried to put some strategy on what to do, when to do it, and how to do it, having this in our possession.
During that process, I pulled him out of the freezer and I did several examinations, what I call topical examinations.
One of them was done the night about eight hours after I had brought him home, which is the video art that you have seen and have.
The arms, the legs, the head, the hands, everything.
For those people out there who have said, you know, we don't see much of the body, well in this, you see everything.
At that point, within the next few days, Gary and I decided we needed some help.
And we set out to get people who could help us and that we could trust.
Gary was a very, very dear friend.
Eighteen years I had known this person.
I could trust him.
And he and I set out to find some people to help us.
During this process, again, we took him out of the freezer, Freddie, not Gary, and laid him down in the garage and did a much closer examination, which in the book we call a closer look, where I reviewed and took photographs of every part of this being as much as I could.
There was a professor that was supposed to be there, yes, but he was scared off.
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I mean, he was fascinated.
He wanted to be involved with it.
He didn't know exactly what it was all about, but he knew Jonathan.
He was friends with Jonathan.
And when the day came for him to show up, he called and just said, I can't be there.
The video that was taken the first night after I brought the creature home was actually taken where I duct taped the video camera to the side of a ladder because I did not have a tripod.
Well, I'll tell you, whatever else is going on, your story is solid.
I've tried a couple times here, my cute little way, to trip you up, and it's not worked.
So Gary was holding the camera for these very, very close-up photographs, and you could actually see What appears to be, is that the pupil of the eye in a war?
Well, I went through the process of taking some of this to what you would call the logical sources, some of the legitimate quote-unquote sources that will back up this kind of thing and look into it.
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And at those sources, I lost a huge amount of evidence.
Well, there were several people that helped me during this 10-day event from start to finish.
Barry, one of them.
Dolly was another dear close friend.
Dolly is dead.
I actually found Dolly dead in her house the day when I had called her to go up and pick up a package she was holding for me with more of this information.
He took them to the university where he was employed and took them to a hospital laboratory and took them and gave them to someone to examine in a very serious attempt to get some information.
That blood sample and that person was never found.
I never saw that person again.
I could not find them and no one had any information about that sample.
Have you done any reverse investigation on your own or with help from friends as to any specifics of who might have ransacked your house and that sort of thing?
Well, by information since we've been on your show, the response has been probably 85% positive, that they do understand that these events happen, that once in a while somebody is able to chronicle something, and that it will stand on its own.
Well, we're attempting to use every venue possible that's committed to getting a positive statement out.
We're not looking to make this fear-based.
This is not about fear.
It's about hope.
It's about the new future that all of us have to embrace.
The information that I have, that is in the book, when people read it, will give them a great deal more to think about than what's been said at this time.
There are events that are taking place in and around this show, Art Show, that are only starting now to happen, that are chronicled in the book.
Art, you have the last chapter.
There is a section in the last chapter that talks about answers that people need to know.
Well, answers to things that are involved in our lives with extraterrestrial beings.
We talk about Mars, our moon, Egypt, the Middle East, weather control, the AIDS virus, Earth evolution, DNA, star communications, time shifting, space-dimensional Travel, MIDs, world economic crash, cold tech, extraterrestrial visitors, new documentation, the earth, the sun, the Bible, life force, and UFOs in general.
There's something I saw in a documentary about a year and a half ago you might be interested in.
I can't tell you the doctor.
I can barely remember where the location might be, but what he was doing is he was applying chemotherapy to the melanoma and then applying a small amount of electricity through the tumor with two electrodes.
Dr. Reed, part of your story I'm having a real hard time believing, and I'll just be blunt, but I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way.
But in the situation with the creature in the freezer, you had mentioned how you were so distressed about maybe having killed a conscious entity, and then when you discovered that it was actually alive, I never ever heard you say on your own volition that you were mostly relieved about the fact you hadn't killed the creature.
And Art, in one of his interviews, kind of hit on that subject, and you gave some sort of an explanation, which I really couldn't quite accept.
Part of the reason being when you slammed the door down, the creature quit screaming.
As far as having remorse that I had killed it, I think I mentioned in the previous interview that I felt relieved that it was no longer in a dead state, but I was still upset because it was named.
Because now I had a creature that was half dead.
I felt guilty, very guilty about that.
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But you didn't experience any drive or desire to try to help the creature?
Dr. Reed, in the MJ-12 papers, I recall that there was something about people who had examined and touched the aliens to have horrible things such as seizures, bleeding, death, and so on.
Obviously, you didn't have death and all.
Did you have any adverse physical reactions to touch the creature?
From the time that I encountered the creature until about five or six days later, I was extremely sick.
Nausea, headaches, dizziness, weakness actually dehydrated a great deal.
So the only thing I can account that to is emotional stress and fatigue and or the possibility that the alien and or the obelisk had produced something that made me sick.
And one thing we were talking about also earlier was that all this information is not only in the book, but there is so much more that we have chronicled.
Yes, it was still exactly in the same place that it was the entire time that I was there.
The next day, my friend Gary and I, after talking at great lengths, decided to go back up there and see what other evidence we could find and possibly even try to drag it out of there, which is an incredibly stupid statement knowing that it was not going to be moved.
But we were grabbing at straws at that point.
So we went back, drove all the way back up there, hiked in, and there was not one thing out of place in the entire area.
There was not a stone, not a stick, not a fern.
Even ferns that I had brushed to get close to the obelisk seemed as if they were either new or somehow in perfect, pristine condition.
Please ask Dr. Reed, whatever happened to his friend Gary.
I'm reading the transcript of the first appearance on Ghost to Coast, and I'm surprised the doctor hasn't mentioned the disappearance of his 18-year-long friend.
Does Gary have any relatives who are looking for him?
I am from Oregon, the great state just below Washington.
Okay.
First off, I'd like to say I have great respect for Dr. Reed and what he's doing.
Thank you.
Whether these things are actually what happened or not, just the fact that you're going out and you're telling this story of what you know to be true is absolutely great, and I applaud you for that.
Thank you very much.
My question, or I should say questions, are concerning one, the pictures that I am looking at on ARP's website right now.
The first one that I can see is of the alien and he has a green colorization.
And his eye is actually somewhat open.
Would you put a comment under the circumstances that you were in?
Okay, those were taken early on prior to the last two photographs that Art put up.
They were taken with a different type of film, an ectochrome-based film, which is a slide film that has a tendency to have a greenish or bluish tint to it.
The latter film was taken with a negative film, which is more of a reptone-based film.
As far as his eyes being open, they were always open a little bit.
There was always a slit in his eyes.
But the newer photographs that are put up during the examination where I actually pulled the eyelid open where you can see the pupa is exposed.
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And my second question is about the actual expression that I see on the alien's face has seemed to change somewhat.
It appears on the second one that was posted that the lips seem to be a bit flatter as opposed to the earlier ones.
There was an examination done, which is shown in detail on the tape, and obviously one part of that examination was the opening of the mouth, and that might well account for that, doctor.
Even though the face and skin texture of Freddie was somewhat tough, like almost like a picnic skin or a hide to it, as you moved it, it would not necessarily go back in place exactly like it was prior, just like our skin.
Well, the official name at this time of the book is Link, an Extraterrestrial Odyssey.
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Okay.
And my second question is, that's the last show that you did, has anybody been trying to say stalk you or trying to find out more information about this?
Now, we have also salted a lot of this information around the world at this point, so that if anything does happen to me personally or Robert or anybody else connected with this, this will come out.
About the book, and people are wondering when it's going to come out, you know, I have talked to some publishers, but they seem fascinated and interested, and suddenly they back off and know apparently, and we're not going to go into names and who, when, and where exactly, but some have even, a couple of have even been threatened.
Well, that's obvious if you look at the actions that have been taken to keep it from getting out with respect to the earlier portion, larger portion of the evidence.
What happened to that, and the people who had it, to your friend, to your house, the whole thing.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reith.
Hi.
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Hi, this is John from Cleveland, Ohio.
Hi, John.
And my basic question was, you know, this is all great.
I've listened to all of your interviews with him and stuff.
But basically what I'm having a problem with is if he's underground, how come they can't trace his phone calls?
Because he's on with you for, you know, hours and stuff.
I have no idea, but I'm just thinking, you know, if they took it, you know, if they took him out, you know, in six months, this is all going to be forgotten.
There's going to be nothing to prove one way or another.
We're getting into some pretty serious territory here.
You took a live detector test, you passed it.
You provided extensive photographic documentation, which, by the way, nobody has torn apart yet, and a lot of people have tried, except for some silly people that I dismiss, you know, the usual pixel counters.
And now you're telling me you've got physical evidence documented and safely stashed away in another country.
This is getting more serious by the moment.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Wraith.
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Hi, thank you for taking my call.
Good evening, gentlemen.
How are you?
Good morning.
Well, you answered my question.
I was going to say about the government, what was the point?
It's already out.
I suppose they don't want any more to get out, but I think it's really kind of too late.
And my second comment was I definitely believe the doctor because those are the little wrinkly guys that have been visiting me since I was 10 years old.
They come to my room.
And I saw them as recently as about eight months ago, actually more like almost a year now.
And I bet you a buck that there's a lot of people out there who have seen them in sort of that half sleep, not to the extent that the doctor has at all that I know of.
But I bet you there's a lot of people out there and they're just not talking.
I know that there are a lot of people that have seen these.
And tremendous amounts of people that either are afraid to come forward because they will be called crazy or they've been threatened.
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Well, I mean, mostly you're going to be called crazy.
But I didn't even, before I wasn't on the web for a long time and I just recently got back on it, I knew the minute you started talking about it, I knew exactly what it was going to look like.
And again, Art, the tenth chapter, the last chapter of our book, details exactly what I have been doing and where I have been and how I have kept out of harm's way with this information.
You notice, Twitter, if you look at the psychology and the way things are working, people have been pumped with fear for a long time.
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Don't say anything, they'll think this, don't say anything.
That will happen to you, this will happen to you.
When you have the bunkers talking like happened tonight on television, they used, oh, and if this was in a court of law, we look at our law fearfully as power.
People use These things as tools to terrify and manipulate individuals and keep them away from coming out with their story.
And that's how it works.
There are all kinds of people out there.
Some of the debunkers, I'm sure, are more than likely working for other sources whose very design is to stop people like Jonathan and myself from coming out with any information.
Well, there are a couple things going around that are said to prove that this is all false.
One is that apparently on a website I think that Norio Hayakawa maintains there was an obelisk put there, but that was put there again after your photographs were posted on my site, and I think that Norio has made a statement about that.
And then there are other people who say, no, I've seen that obelisk somewhere else.
Well, you know, to me, that's like saying, oh my God, look, another flying saucer photograph, that proves that flying saucers are fake.
If, in fact, there is another obelisk picture somewhere, that goes more toward verifying things than it does toward tearing them apart.
All I'm trying to do is get this information out, get it to the public, have some kind of preservation of my own life, get myself to where I don't have to be in fear.
This has been very difficult.
It has been a very difficult existence.
This is no fun.
And other people know that.
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We don't want to ram this down anybody's throat.
We want people, individuals, to make up their own mind when they see it.
There are too many processes out there that create elements that lead people by the nose in one direction or the other.
It's time for people to think for themselves.
And a lot of your callers tonight, they're doing just that.
Whether they're positive or negative, the fact is they're thinking about the story for themselves.
I wanted to know if the hand, well what the hands and the feet look like, and if when the alien talked to you, what did it communicate to you, if anything?
Well, the hands and the feet of Freddie were contained in what we've called the skin suit.
This was basically a one piece where the gloves and the arms were covered with a fabric similar to like a standex material, a black material that basically defied everything I've ever seen.
In the last radio show that we had, we talked about the fact that I cut it.
I tried to cut it with an X-Acto knife to actually remove it.
I saw a craft up close and personal, a story I've told many times and I won't retell here.
But once you have seen something like that for yourself, you don't have a lot of choices left in life.
I mean, you have seen this.
You either have to believe that our government has a lot of stuff we don't know about, which is possible, but I don't know about anti-gravity, and or you have seen something from elsewhere, one of the two.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
I hate to sound like a skeptic, but one point that I'm really having a problem trying to understand is when you said when you smashed this thing in the head with a baseball bat, you were not 100% sure it was not a child.
You only determined it was not a child until you smashed it in the head.
So what I guess I'm trying to say is, isn't that something you should have been 100% sure about before you smashed it in the middle?
We have talked with several different organizations around the world, but nothing has been picked up.
There is going to be an article in an exclusive article written by Christopher Montgomery in an upcoming issue of one of the U.S.-based extraterrestrial magazines.
Here's another one that people have said that I'll hit you with.
I interviewed Travis Walton.
They made a movie about what happened to Travis Walton, a very famous abduction case.
The movie was called Fire in the Sky.
And I interviewed Travis and his boss, and they all took lie detector tests with regard to the abduction case of Travis Walton.
The reason I mention this is because the alien depicted in A Fire in the Sky bears a remarkable resemblance to the alien in the photos on my website that you, Doctor, took.
Now, people try to cite this as, well, somehow he got hold of the prop or something like that.
I don't look at it that way.
I tend to look at it as, well, maybe that's how they describe the alien.
Well, you know, you know, and if there are real aliens and this was one, then why should we be surprised that it looks like another description?
It seems like the government is forcing us to want to have closure.
And I don't know how I would react, but if I saw something like that, I'd want to kill it and then protect it with my life and not tell anybody about it.
And I would call Peter Davenport and somehow get one big, massive press release going, you know.
Well, we have set things in motion to get this information out so that it is no longer just about me.
There are going to be things happening in the very near future that will make it apparent to everyone that this, not only my story, but the story of alien existence coexisting with humans has been going on for a very long time.
And there will be unrefutable facts that no one will be able to deny very, very soon.
And again, in the book, it chronicles this to a great degree.
And it also explains that I got dead end after dead end after dead end.
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Then why have so many previous administrations expressed such great interest in getting to the bottom of it if they're not willing to see what's in their face?
That's a good question.
Well, being a Canadian, I have really no opinion.
I just thought it would be a good question to raise.
And my answer to it is all of us need to know this.
All of us need to see what is going on, not just people in the United States of America, but people of the world.
This is happening everywhere.
This is not just happening in one country.
I have talked with probably 20 or 30 people in the last two years that there have been events similar to this happen to them or to friends of theirs all over the world.
Our politicians tell us a lot of things.
And we all know politicians.
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They can tell you that they want to get to the bottom of something, that they're really interested in it, this and that and whatnot, but most of the time, No, but I will tell you one thing.
I want to just sort of commend Dr. Reed for his bravery, and I wish him best of luck as far as getting his life back.
One comment I wanted to make was that I've heard the term government thrown out a lot tonight, and I think people need to take a really hard look at what the word government really means.
And there is a book, you've had a guest on the show before, David Icke, Ike.
Author of, no, illustrator of, the one incredible sighting that I had.
Actually, I had two, but the most incredible sighting.
And Mark, would you please tell the audience that we worked a long time on that, didn't we?
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Yeah, we did.
We went through all the different angles that you saw this thing at, how high you thought it was, what the various angles of the vehicle were, what the lighting was, terrain, light sources, everything.
And spent a lot of time trying to figure out exactly how big it was.
And I'm not sure that we ever actually came to a specific conclusion about that.
I mean, in the sense that you hit it right on the head in your photograph illustration.
I really appreciate it.
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Well, actually, that's part of why I'm calling.
I wondered if these two gentlemen, because they did lose a lot of information, had any need for composite illustrations of some of the events that took place during these nine days of terror, so to speak, that they went through.
Gentlemen, this is a Mark McAndlish illustrates aeronautical things and would be able to illustrate anything that you feel you need to get probably in your book or whatever that is lost, now lost.
Yes, I have a tape running, so I got the information.
I did have one question, though, and that was I wasn't sure, because I didn't hear the previous broadcast, the previous story, was there some point at which the creature in the freezer was actually determined to be dead?
I know that it had been screaming and so forth, but was there a time when it was actually believed to be dead?
But after opening the freezer and screaming, I don't know about after that.
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Well, I thought I heard him say that they took it out and did a closer examination with video and cameras, and I wondered if at that point it was thought to be dead.
No, that was prior to it showing me that it was still alive.
Okay.
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One other question I did have for you was, because I'm a dog owner and I have great sympathy for your loss as far as your dog was concerned, one of the things that I didn't hear you mention which made me kind of wonder was at the point at which you determined that the dog was being physically harmed by this entity, you didn't mention anything about the dog making any noise or shrieking or crying out or anything.
You just said that you ran up and you hit this thing.
And so I kind of wondered if that was just something that you overlooked or you didn't mention.
Such dying agony, there was no question what was, you know, the dog was in terrible pain.
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Sure.
Well, given similar circumstances, I think I probably would have done the same thing that you did.
But I'm wondering if this artifact that you have actually, may actually be the weapon, for lack of a better term, that caused this to happen to your dog.
I heard the first interview that they had with you, and if I can remember correctly, you didn't get followed around and your house didn't get ransacked until after you had made your calls to the UFO people.
Number one, if you've noticed in any of our interviews, We are not putting anyone down nor mentioning any specific groups directly because of litigation reasons, because of lawsuits.
But not all of the quote-unquote legitimate UFO agencies are positive for the betterment of all our people.
Some of them, I believe, are sub-government-controlled and or sponsored.
I do believe that after we started making our inquiries, that that's when these things started happening.
And that's exactly right.
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Also, do you believe if your dog had not been with you that day, how do you believe there would have been a different turnabout as far as would have been a friendly encounter?
In upcoming months, there are people currently working on bringing this information out to the public, and I think we are actually going to do some presentations.
Now, when the dog, when he hit the dog, or when the dog was getting attacked by this creature, now, how is it that you were able to strike him with a stick without him getting you two?
What happened to the dog was literally it imploded into itself.
As incredible as that sounds, as if you could open a drain in the side of the dog and the body literally circularly went into that hole until there was nothing left.
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Wow.
AR, like last week when Ed Daves was on the show, I know this is totally off the subject, but it was kind of important to me.
There was a basketball game on KEX and they didn't play the first part of the show, so I missed it.
And he did the Nostragamus thing, the seventh month of 99.
And the question I would have, other than it screaming at one time, did the creature communicate anything either verbally or telepathically to you at any time when you were trying to communicate with it?
At a later time, and again, it's chronicled in the book, I made an attempt to go to the garage, go to the freezer, open the door of the freezer where no sound was made, but it was moving.
It actually got out of the freezer by itself, sat in front of the freezer, and took some water from a bowl with its fingers up to its mouth.
Well, I don't think there was no words communicated, but there was a scream communicated and a second scream attempted when I put my hands to my ears because the scream was not a typical scream.
It was a shriek that would throw you against the wall, practically.
And when the second time that started to happen, I threw my hand over my ears and yelled, no!
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And it didn't make a sound.
Did you get any distinct impression or like a feeling of sorts?
Maybe it was, you know, of something that may have been said or a feeling that you had?
Well, I'm stationed at Fort Orland, California, which is right across away from you, Art.
But right now, I'm up in Castle Rock, Colorado.
Okay.
Dr. Reed.
Yes.
Did you ever get any fluid samples from Freddie, like a blood or excrement or anything like that?
Yes, we did.
And As I explained earlier, I did take that in to a medical facility and was told within a day that they had never received it and they had no idea what I was talking about.
Do you yourself know by chance could you compare it to like our blood or human?
The material that I took was cranial fluid, which is a combination of, if it was a human, it's a combination of water and also blood.
And that's what it looked like to me.
Now the color was a little bit lighter than the color of human blood.
A little bit more transparent, but it's very similar.
It depends, caller, obviously, on what you believe.
But I'll say this much.
I'll say this much.
If we're given an opportunity to examine the negatives, I think we can conclusively decide, at least people who do that kind of work can, whether we have the genuine thing on our hands.
At least we're going to have the opportunity to examine them.
And we've got Dr. Reed.
And I really appreciate your coming on the air and just sort of facing the public raw.
Actually, I've done a lot of thinking about it, but again, it would be total speculation because I have no clue.
There was no signs of any tools or digging or sampling of anything.
I thought about vegetation or plants or anything.
But the only thing I found was one small piece of hardware, which again, I had in my possession, and it has been throwed away out of the country, no longer in my hands.
First, I was wondering, you know, you had mentioned, the doctor had mentioned earlier that he had his friend Gary, I believe his name was, his parents.
He was still in touch with his parents.
This would also relate to his girlfriend or the 18-year-old, whoever was involved.
There must be some other people that are wondering about their disappearance, so there should probably be a missing persons report filed with the police department, wouldn't there?
No, I'm not, because these people are innocent bystanders that are left.
And my life and my significant other's life were totally torn apart because of this event.
I mean, I lost my relationship because of this event.
I lost my best friend because of this event.
And I am not going to throw their names into the hat to again be torn apart.
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You know, I kind of wish I was your friend because I'd throw my name in.
That's what I would do for a true friend of mine.
Second question I had was why do you, if you fear this whole incident, you know, I did hear the first airing that you had on this, and you said that you spent a lot of time dodging people that were out after you, and you spent much time in fear, intense fear, in fact, you had said, why now do you want to write a book about this?
I mean, wouldn't you just want to get away from it?
My question was, has anything happened to your immediate family or strange things, maybe MIDs or just strange things happening to them or other family members?
Well, the only thing I can say, and people tend to forget that in describing this story, which is in great detail we've done again, it takes a long time to set the scene so people can understand what happened.
But in truth, the whole event took place in 15 to 20 seconds from seeing the being with my dog, destroying the dog, and lunging forward and striking it.
Yes, and we have about six feet of snow on the ground right now.
And another storm came through last night, so I have to dig out before I get to go anywhere.
My question is, I was wondering, I've heard about, you know, you're concerned as far as the government is obviously getting into your business here.
Have you tried contacting any of the, say, congressmen or officials who are interested in exposing this and have had difficulty on their own doing so, such as Whitley Streever is mentioned in his books?
My question is, I want to know, do you know what the, do you have any idea possibly what the government or whoever these people are that retrieved who took the bean from your premises, what they may be doing or storing?
Well, first of all, I don't know that, in fact, they did take him.
I know that when I returned to my house that the freezer and Freddie were gone.
Now, I can't prove that they did it.
I never saw them carry the freezer to their van.
But all I know is what I saw when I drove by and what I saw when I went back.
Do I know what they're doing with him?
I don't know that they still have him, but I also don't know that they don't.
But I do know that there is a lot of material out in this world that people don't want you to know about.
And that pretty soon, a lot of it's going to be coming out.
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And on my other question, do you think it's one particular organization holding this material, or is it many organizations do you think holding these different materials?
There are a lot of people, obviously, who are going to be skeptical.
And perhaps that is as it should be.
In other words, had I not experienced seeing a craft close up, I would be skeptical of many reports of craft that have been seen that were as close as mine.
I'd be skeptical.
It's a healthy thing to be skeptical.
Is there anything that either one of you wanted to get out tonight, Robert, that we haven't managed to get out?
No, let's see.
D-R-R-E-E-D-L-I-N-K at A-O-L.com.
You guys are going to have a lot of fun answering a lot of emails.
Letting people decide for themselves, you know, by reading the story, by listening to you, Art, who have given us a wonderful forum to get some of this information out.
Well, I felt that it was important to have you two on one last time to face the audience and answer the tough questions, and so that's what we have done.