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Dec. 28, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dr. Jonathan Reed & Robert Raith - Encounter with Alien
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to do more.
One, two, three, four.
Take a drink, just for me I'll take a free ride
Take my breath, off my feet It's so strange
I work like a slave for years.
I march off to end my tears.
So far, so true as my tears, not to end my life before that.
But by now, I know, I should have run.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Now again, here's Art.
Once again, here I am and I always use this bumper music because that's how Robert Braith got my attention the first time.
He said, want to take a ride?
And a ride indeed it has been.
Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed are my guests tonight.
Dr. Jonathan Reed had an encounter with an alien being and an obelisk in the woods in Washington.
We have done, I think, two prior shows on this, and actually, the other night, Bob Kiliat said to me on the phone, as we were doing the show on the alien hoax thing that ran tonight, That in his opinion, this now rises to the level of the alien autopsy.
And it'll probably be in his next program.
So, there you are.
Tonight, we're going to do, uh, I guess we'll do a recap on the incident itself, and we'll try and keep that short.
And we'll follow that up with your questions.
Now let me advise you that photographs of the story that you're about to hear Are on my website.
In fact, there are two brand new ones that just got on my website because the good doctor just sent them to me last week.
These photographs show, in great detail, the side of the alien head.
The unseen side, the other side, the unhurt side.
And they also show the doctor examining the eye of the alien.
Now, in World's Greatest Folkses, that was Pretty well panned, with the exception of one call last hour.
They said, you've got to know where this stuff comes from.
They kept saying that in the show.
In this case, we know where this stuff comes from.
It comes from Dr. Reed, who's my guest.
He'll be up shortly.
Now, again, I want to preface what's about to happen by telling you that Dr. Reed has sent me two new photographs of the absolutely astounding Uh, apparent encounter that, uh, Dr. Reid had with, um, this alien.
And these new photographs are even more detailed, closer up, and, um, more amazing.
So, if you want to see the latest, they went up actually this weekend, this last weekend, or at the beginning of the holiday weekend, and they are on my website now.
So if you have access to a computer, or you can get to a computer, do it.
And go to my website at www.artbell.com.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L dot com.
www.artbell.com.
No capitals, just like that.
artbell.com.
And you will see, um, in the new section, an announcement of the two latest photograph, uh, photographs received.
Two new Jonathan Reed alien photos is what you want to click on and take a look.
Now, Robert Grafe introduced me to Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Asked me if I wanted to take a ride, and what a ride it's been.
Let me bring him on.
Robert, are you there?
I am here.
And you are located where?
In, uh, Seattle.
Seattle, all right.
And, uh, Dr. Jonathan Reed... Hello, Eric.
Hi there!
How you doing?
I'm just fine.
You are located at an... Well, you're at an undisclosed location.
Under a rock.
Under a rock somewhere, huh?
You are a research psychologist, is that correct?
Yes, I was.
Doctor, it was brought to my attention in the last hour that you might be a research psychologist researching the public reaction to a hoax.
Would you like to comment on that?
Sure.
If I was doing that and I could justify spending two years of my life out of commission, so to speak, that would be a An interesting way to go, but that's not true.
Not true.
Well, I had to ask, since the person brought it up, I thought it was a legitimate question.
It was a good question.
Both of you, Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed, before we encapsulate the story for the audience that might not have heard it, first of all, did you both see the hoaxes, the hoax show tonight on Fox?
Well, I thought.
Yes, I saw it.
Oh, you both saw it?
Yes.
Might I get your reactions?
Well, my reaction is I wasn't too impressed with it.
It seems like debunking has become a cottage industry.
It just seems that people are writing books about it now, they're making money off of it, and that's what it's all about.
I didn't find that anything in there really worked for me as far as being a smoking gun at all.
And the alien autopsy footage That whole pen thing, I've never seen it.
I've never heard about it.
You know, Bob Kivett did mention it on the show.
I mean, how do I know exactly and truly what relationship it had with the actual alien autopsy that we all viewed and the one that we all know about?
That's correct.
Doctor?
Yes, I found it fascinating from the standpoint that the only thing It proves to me that it's one more huge attempt of disinformation.
It proves to me that the disinformation campaign has risen to such a height that Hollywood is behind it from the standpoint of making money for certain sources.
It's also creating, if nothing else, a balance.
On one side you have the believers and the people that bring up evidence.
And have stories of their own, and now you have the other side of the coin.
So if nothing else, it's creating a balance.
But I didn't think it caught my attention in the way I hoped it would.
All right.
Great.
Then you heard Robert Kiviet on my show, obviously, last week, and then got to see the program as well.
Yes.
Right.
All right.
Let's do this.
I almost feel like a police detective asking somebody to go over a story for the millionth time, doctor.
But if there's a way to encapsulate the story into 15 or 20 minutes, I sure would love to do that.
Sure.
Because obviously there are going to be some people who have not heard this story before.
That's right.
And for their sake, let us tell the story and then go to the audience and see what kind of questions they have.
Great.
Thank you for this opportunity again, Art.
You're welcome, and Robert, thank you for bringing the good doctor to me.
Oh, you're very welcome, Art.
So, fire away, doctor.
What happened to you, and when?
Okay, well, this all took place in October of 1996, and it was about 60 miles east of Seattle and about 15 miles northeast of Snoqualmie Pass in the state of Washington.
Okay, that pins it down.
Okay, I had taken my dog and myself, my dog's name is Susie, on a day hike, which we had done often.
Washington State is a beautifully picturesque state to be with your dog in the wilderness and in the natural settings.
It's just a beautiful state.
We had taken a day hike, gone out where I could let her run.
Where both of us could just take a day away from the city.
Sure.
I had parked my car and been walking for about an hour and a half to two hours.
So you're quite a ways in.
Yes.
This is definitely a heavily forested area.
Dense foliage.
Thick tree canopy.
Definitely the woods.
Not a public park.
And we had been walking for some time.
And nothing outstanding happened other than earlier in the day we had spotted a deer.
And of course, when wildlife appears, a dog will take off and go running.
And that was the case.
At times Susie would take off like a bolt and come back ten minutes later all tuckered out.
But probably treeing a raccoon or a squirrel or who knows what.
Right, exactly.
And Suzy, being still young, she was about seven years old, still had a lot of vim and vigor and was able to tackle the hills and the trails without any problem.
So she would, like I say, take off after almost anything.
We had been walking for some time and all of a sudden she took off and I heard her barking up ahead on the trail.
And the barking changed its tone.
It got very, very serious.
It was almost as if the dog was being treed instead of the dog treeing something else.
Oh.
And I got to thinking that possibly this could be a bear, because there are bears in that area of the Cascade Mountains there.
And so I got a little nervous, and the barking persisted to get louder and louder and fiercer and more fierce by the moment.
Yeah, you can tell the difference between a dog aggressively going after something, which is certainly an aggressive bark, and a dog in distress.
Absolutely.
Big difference.
And this was getting more in distress by the second.
At that point, I kind of took off my pack.
I had a day pack.
And I threw it down and was walking up a gradual slope up the hill and decided that I'd better pick up maybe a heavy branch or a stick to possibly defend off, you know, a bear.
And so I grabbed the stick, I ran up the hill and as I crested the hill I saw my dog involved with this creature.
At that point I didn't know what it was.
All I could tell was the dog had the creature by the arm and it was nothing I had ever witnessed before.
Can you from memory describe at that point from the top of the hill what it appeared to you to be or what your first impression was?
My first impression was that it was probably a child because it was childlike in size.
Two arms, two legs, and a head.
And I was approximately 25 feet away from it at that point.
And it was moving very, very fast, very rapid motion.
And I think in my mind at that moment, even though it was standing in a fixed position, it was vibrating somewhat like a can of paint in a paint shaker.
No, I've seen them.
It almost created a blur.
Except I could see the dog was clamped on to its paw.
And either the dog was trying to get away, or the creature was trying to get away.
Now here's something I had not asked you before.
While the creature was moving in the manner you described, and the dog had hold of it, was the dog also moving in that manner, or did it not appear that way?
It appeared that the head of Susie, the head of my dog, was also shaking violently.
but the rest of her was pretty much in one place trying to get footing.
At that point I don't know what took over.
I looked at this.
I yelled as loud as I could, Suzy let go, get away from that thing, thinking Suzy was
attacking it.
At that moment I started to witness the dog's actual physical body starting to deteriorate,
starting to almost implode, the skin and snout of her head peeling back against the back
of her neck.
This was all happening in just seconds.
In between second to second I would see this thing stop shaking with its head, the body
still moving very vibrantly, and stop and look at me, staring at me, and then turn back
and again back to Suzy.
At that point I ran forward with my bat, my wooden bat, and jumped straight in front of
it and clubbed it.
This all happened within about 20 to 30 seconds.
Was it still vibrating at that point?
Yes, it had turned back to me, looked once again, then turned away, back, turning its head back towards Suzy.
And so you let it have it?
And I swung like I've never swung before.
Like you were going for a home run?
Absolutely.
And you obviously crushed this... Well, as I swung, I screamed, It let out a scream, as I remember, at the same moment, and I hit the left side of the creature's head hard enough to slam it backwards and to one side about four feet.
At the same time this was happening, my dog was literally imploding into nothing.
Almost evaporating.
And that was the end of Susie, huh?
Yes, it was.
That's the last time you ever saw your dog.
Yes.
Obviously, you connected well with this alien skull.
Yes.
We have photographs showing what appears to be blood coming from the skull, but that, of course, was taken later.
It is blood.
It is blood?
Yes, it is.
Is it blood?
Was it red?
It was dark, dark red.
Very, very similar to human blood.
Okay, so now we've got dog imploded.
We've got alien on the ground and apparently dead.
Did you conclude, I'm sure you were in a state of shock by this time, but did you conclude you had killed this creature?
I, at that moment, Didn't assume anything.
My logic was fairly gone at that point.
I was an emotional wreck.
My dog was gone.
I wasn't sure what had happened to Susie.
I even remember standing up calling her as if maybe she, maybe I had imagined that moment.
But later on found next to where she was a light Best thing of what looked like a white ash material.
In other words, that was all that was left of Susie.
Yes.
All right, we'll pick it up at that point when we come back.
My guests are Dr. Jonathan Reed, whose story you're hearing right now, and Robert Rafe, who connected me with him.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
Back now to Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Rafe.
Gentlemen, welcome back, and Dr.
Let us continue at this point.
Your dog is dead, or at least disappeared.
The alien or creature is lying on the ground with a big hole in the side of its head and bleeding red, dark red blood.
And what do you do?
At that point I took a hard look at what was lying on the ground and determined that it wasn't any child.
And my mind started wandering.
It started thinking, you know, what is this thing?
What have I done?
Where is my dog?
And things became very, very disoriented.
I was very, very violently sick by thinking, what have I just killed?
Was this some other kind of human?
Was this an experiment?
Was this some bioengineering event?
You know, a lot of different criteria went through my mind at that time.
But I was violently ill.
I was also throwing up and... Yeah, as a matter of fact, we played the tape of that earlier.
It's on your videotape.
Of course, we pulled the audio from it.
You were violently ill.
There was no question about that.
Robert, you were about to say something?
Yes.
Also, the atmosphere surrounding the whole situation was different.
The air became very dense.
And it was, at first, very hard for Jonathan to even move.
The other thing was the creature let out a screech, which you could see, again, you could see the air bubbling around it as it did this.
It was almost like it was visual.
Like the sound became visual.
Almost like you see mirages of heat separating off a surface in the sun.
Right.
It became almost a visual sound.
It's hard to explain.
No, that's fine.
I think I can grasp that.
Time-wise, Doctor, at this point, how much time do you think passed before you began to regain your observation sense?
Well, the best that I can comprehend is about 45 minutes to an hour.
You just sat there?
I sat there.
I moved over.
I got up, tried to walk, and couldn't, and fell back down to my knees.
And was so emotionally distraught that I was moaning and sobbing at what had happened, especially to my dog.
That also is very apparent in the videotape, that hardly anybody has seen, by the way, of course.
Well, soon they will.
Add that to the scream from the alien and all that, too, took away from some of the faculties at the time.
All right, so 45 minutes passes and you're not really observing anything.
You're in a state of shock.
Right, and at that point I started to try to pull myself together, walking away from this scene to focus on something else, anything else.
And again, very, very seriously sick and very weak, and at this point I started to hear something else, like a sound that I had never heard before, almost a harmonic type of vibration sound.
It just barely lifted on the wind, but at first I thought, maybe it's another hiker or a camper.
Maybe somebody can help me, because at that point I knew I was so sick.
But I barely could stand for more than maybe a minute or two without falling down and sitting back down.
So I tried to get some kind of vector on where the sound was coming from, but it was almost impossible.
So I picked myself up and started to walk back down the trail where I had been, where I had dropped my pack, and still could not clearly hear where it was coming from.
But I was grabbing at straws at that point, and I ran farther back down the trail, and at that point I did not see anything.
So I kind of stopped, again got sick, turned around, started to walk back toward my pack, and at that point, through the brush, approximately 300, no, maybe 150 to 250 feet away at that point.
I saw something out of the ordinary.
When you're in the woods, you see brush, you see trees, you see rocks, you see ground cover.
But what I saw was nothing that belonged there.
This was a black shape, almost a diamond shape, like a marquee diamond.
And for those who don't know, what we are about to dub the obelisk is also on my website to be viewed.
You can see what the doctor is talking about right now if you get up there.
Yeah, kind of like a diamond shape.
I would certainly agree.
I'm sitting here looking at it right now.
It was approximately eight or nine feet long, about two and a half feet in height, and about four feet wide.
You do not believe this was a ship, do you?
No, I don't.
I never thought of it as a get-on-board craft.
I think it had something to do with communication between the E.T.
and something else, and I dubbed it the obelisk.
You called it the obelisk.
Somebody writes in some blast, what is an obelisk?
Why did you decide to call it that?
Well, if you look up the definition of an obelisk, It's actually between Robert and I. We coined that term to give it a name.
Sure.
But if you look at the definition of it, it's an unknown rectangular or dimensional shape.
A point of reference.
Well, this sure fits that category.
So at that time, I took a good look at it.
I tried to stumble my way closer to it.
And I did hear that the sound was coming from that source.
As I walked up to it, I noticed that it was not sitting on the ground.
It was actually above the ground.
Hovering in the air?
Some three to three and a half feet above the air.
That scale would be about right.
It was not moving.
It was stationary, as if it was anchored to the air.
I walked around it.
I looked under it.
I looked over it.
It had no appendages.
It had no wheels.
It had no anything to hold it down.
No visible means of support.
And at that point, again, I felt I'm losing my mind.
I've got to be losing my mind.
This just defies everything I know about aerodynamics and about anything physical I had ever seen.
You touched it then, didn't you?
Yes, I did.
I stumbled up the hill toward it as I had circled it.
And it was making this harmonic, very, very soft tone.
But it was irritating at that point.
It was an irritating sound.
And I wanted to see what the surface felt like.
And I put my hand out and touched it.
And it was very hard, like stone, like granite.
It was black.
It was shiny and it almost had a depth to the surface.
It was cold and it was cold like dry ice.
In fact, as I touched it, I burned my hand.
I actually felt like I had burned it as if you touched dry ice.
That's very interesting.
Did you actually suffer burns that you documented at all, doctor?
Yes, I did.
On my hand, I actually had a physical burn and scar about a little under an inch, right below my thumb, on the inside of my hand.
At that point, I pulled my hand back, as you would if you burned yourself.
And this is a very rugged part of the woods, and I'm stumbling around, and as you jerk back, I lost my balance.
And I leaned, I actually leaned into it and put both of my forearms against it.
And at that point, it changed sound.
And the sound became extremely soft and pleasant.
It made a different tone.
Almost like it had changed octaves.
At the exact moment you connected with it.
When I fell against it.
Fell against it, alright.
And then again, I tried... I actually hit it with my hand as if to move it.
Like to push against it.
And this thing could not budge.
It was as if it was ten tons stationary on the ground.
But not one part of it was touching the ground.
Alright, time-wise, how much time did you spend in the area of the obelisk?
At that point, probably about 10 or 15 minutes.
At which point, I take it, you returned to the area of the creature that you had hit?
I sat back down on the ground, trying to, again, keep from being dizzy and throwing up.
I made my way back about another 40 feet, back to where my pack was, and grabbed in my pack, I did have some water.
I took some water.
At that point, I walked back to where the creature was, where Susie was, at this point realizing that I had killed something.
And it wasn't a child.
My dog was nowhere to be found.
There were no signs of movement from the creature at all?
There were no signs of movement at all.
And I had, at that point, totally realized that in clobbering the head of this creature, I had killed it.
Now I started to think about, you know, what am I going to do?
Nobody's going to believe me.
Or maybe you're going to be charged with murder.
Exactly.
And all of these things went spinning in my head.
And I had already been spinning with all that had happened.
And tried to get enough strength up to say to myself, what am I going to do?
And at that point, I started thinking, well, nobody's going to believe this.
Nobody's going to see this.
But I remembered that I had my camera with me.
I had a video camera with me, and I had a 35mm camera with me.
And I thought... And this was because you did a lot of hunting of animals with cameras.
Is that right?
I didn't do a lot of it, but I did some of it.
I mean, our wilderness area is so pristine and so beautiful that you occasionally will run across Two or three deer, I've seen raccoons, I've seen all kinds of creatures in the woods.
So that's why you have the cameras?
Yes.
Alright.
So you have the presence of mind to get your cameras out, and what did you take photographs of?
I started taking photographs of everything.
I started at the point of where Suzy had fallen, where the creature had died.
Taking pictures of the body, the head, the entire scene.
So there's a whole lot I have not seen yet in terms of photography.
You have pictures of the alien in the woods and the area where Susie had been.
A lot of the evidence and the photographic evidence that I had at that point, that I had taken in the woods, is gone.
Is gone?
I do not have all of it.
What happened to it?
It was either stolen or taken from me by other means.
Well, you sure had enough.
I mean, what I've got here is astounding.
I had three rolls of film with me, 35mm film, when I was in the woods.
And out of the woods scene, I don't have very much of the alien But I do have quite a bit of the obelisk.
Okay, and I have two of the obelisk pictures, photographs, up on my website now.
People really should look at these.
And by the way, there has been some, you know, armchair quarterbacking going on regarding the obelisk.
I think somebody put one up on a website and said, see, look, it's the same one, but it actually went up on the website after your photograph, so that doesn't count.
And with regard to the alien, people have complained that all they see is the head and the, I think, the arms, and they don't see... But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Anyway, you packed up, you had a sort of, what, a heat, what do you call that, a thermal blanket?
I had a thermal blanket in my pack for safety's sake.
When you hike in the woods, you never know what's You could fall, you could break your leg, you may be there
for days.
So you take some basic rations with you and one of those is a thermal blanket.
It's a very lightweight, almost a mylar based piece of material that's reflective and totally
will block the wind and will keep you alive in the case of an emergency.
Well I had that with me.
At that point I had taken every picture I could take.
I had exhausted that.
I thought, okay, I'll go back.
Maybe I can hide this thing, this creature, to keep from animals getting at it.
Sure.
And I thought, well, if I pick up enough rocks, I could cover it with rocks and that would help.
Well, none of the rocks in the area were loose enough to do that with.
Then I thought about, well I've got the thermal blanket, maybe I can wrap it up in the thermal blanket, put it against the hillside, and cover it with branches.
So I started to do that.
I laid the thermal blanket out, and even though I didn't want to, I rolled this creature into this thermal blanket.
And as I rolled it up, like a burrito, it was surprisingly light.
It weighed only about 50 pounds total in weight.
The creature was only 53 inches tall, so very light, very thin.
I rolled it up and I moved it and I realized this thing was so light and I started looking for a place to put it.
As I grabbed it in one arm, I grabbed my pack with the other and I started walking.
Down the trail to find a place to hide this thing.
You were moving back toward the direction you had originally come from?
Yes.
It was time to go home.
Sure.
And again, I was feeling sick.
I was feeling dehydrated.
I had exhausted my water supply.
And I was approximately one and a half hours from my car.
But I figured I will find a place somewhere.
Along the way.
Sure.
So that later I can bring someone back.
Who can help me and I can show this thing to.
Makes sense, sure.
Because this was something to be seen.
This was something like I had never seen before.
I was never a believer of UFOs or aliens or conspiracies.
I was a disbeliever.
But this changed my mind.
Yeah, that would do it.
And so somehow, You made it all the way back to your car with this creature.
That's an hour and a half walking with the creature, is that right?
That's about right.
Stopping along the way to regain some strength.
All right.
I'll hold it right there.
I thought we could do this a little faster, but obviously we've got to get it all in.
We're most of the way there.
There is more to tell, and then we're going to let you ask questions.
All right.
We are intentionally now leaving some details that we gave you before out in the interest of time.
And even doing that, we have not unwound the story in the time I wanted.
So, Dr. Reid, here you are.
Now you've got the alien finally back, or this creature, back to your automobile.
Right.
I got him back in my car.
I drove home.
I don't know.
I was about an hour and fifteen minutes away.
That must have been some drive.
Yes.
Stopping a couple of times to regenerate myself from being sick, relieve myself.
Back in the car home I went, pulling into my carport, to make a long story short, and
looking back in the rear view mirror, seeing what I had in the back end, which reiterated
the fact that this was a reality.
you.
At that point I got out.
I went in the house.
I thought about calling my girlfriend.
Tried to call her.
She wasn't home.
Left a message.
Called my best friend.
He wasn't home.
Left a message.
Decided, what am I going to do with this thing?
And so I eventually went back out to the car.
I took it out of the back of my Jeep, took it into the garage, and put it in my freezer.
In your freezer?
Yes.
Okay.
Where would you put it?
Yeah, I guess if you want to preserve something that's dead, you put it in the freezer, I guess that's what I'd put it in.
I don't mean that sarcastically.
No, no, no, it's a fair question.
Really, where would you put it?
It's going to deteriorate.
I didn't want to bring it in the house.
I didn't want to look at it.
I hear that.
And he thought of burying it, but at that time he couldn't bring himself to do it.
You did think of burying it?
Oh yes, I wanted to get rid of it.
I didn't want to have anything to do with it.
Boy, I'm not sure I'd want to have it sitting in there on top of my TV dinners and pizzas, but... And again, to make the long story short, about three and a half days later, I went back out to the freezer hearing a noise which I thought might have been rats or the compressor going out and I looked around and no the compressor was working and everything seemed okay but I heard what sounded like a scratching sound coming from what I thought was behind the freezer but then I realized no I don't think it's behind the freezer
And I thought, okay, well I'll just open the lid.
And all of a sudden I realized that my extraterrestrial was no longer dead or never had been.
At this point it was moving and turned its head and moved its arm.
And I screamed.
It screamed.
I slammed the lid and ran to the house.
Uh, you actually have that scream on tape, don't you?
Uh, yes.
Uh, would you be willing, uh, one last time for us, please?
Uh, there are a number of people who would like to hear that, too.
Uh, and maybe, uh, play it, uh, can you play that for us?
Yeah, just let me, uh, get it in, in the machine.
Okay.
While he's doing that, it's important to note that, uh, Jonathan freaked out pretty bad when he saw that he was alive.
It wasn't anything You didn't just scream at me.
You really lost it.
Yeah, listen to me.
I'm telling you, I would be surprised to live through that if it happened to me.
I think I would have a heart attack right on the spot.
And I think a lot of people would, so... I do have acute... Okay.
This is the sound of the freezer basically opening and the creature screaming and slamming the freezer down.
This is done at a later time.
All right.
Yeah.
I don't know how you moved through that.
God.
All right.
Now, so you slammed the freezer shut.
I have two new photographs tonight that you sent me.
One of the side of the alien's head that is not hurt.
Very detailed, very close up, better lit.
And I've got a second photograph, a startling photograph of somebody Examining this creature, in fact, sort of opening the eye of the creature, and you can actually, in this photograph, see the pupil of the eye of the creature.
Exactly.
And when was that taken, under what circumstances, and whose hands are those?
Well, prior to what we took to calling the alien Freddy, Freezer Freddy.
Freezer Freddy.
I believe that it was dead and for all purposes it was not moving.
It had a wound one inch by one and a half inch wide on the side of its head.
The skull and skin flap was flapping back and forth exposing cranial material.
At that point I felt this thing was pretty dead.
Bashed in the skull?
During the first three days prior to it reanimating Which is the word you used.
I did, yes.
I got a hold of my friend, Gary, and him and I sat down and tried to put some strategy on what to do, when to do it, and how to do it, having this in our position.
During that process, I pulled him out of the freezer and I did several examinations, what I call topical examinations.
One of them was done the night about eight hours after I had brought him home, which is the video art that you have seen and have.
Yes sir, I do.
And in that video, I literally open up the thermal blanket in front of everyone's eyes, and you see the entire body.
It's true.
The arms, the legs, the head, the hands, everything.
For those people out there who have said, We don't see much of the body.
In this, you see everything.
At that point, within the next few days, Gary and I decided we needed some help.
We set out to get people who could help us and that we could trust.
Gary was a very, very dear friend.
For 18 years I had known this person.
I could trust him, and he and I set out to To find some people to help us.
During this process, again, we took him out of the freezer and laid him down in the garage and did a much closer examination, which in the book we call a closer look, where I reviewed and took photographs of every part of this being as much as I could.
There was a professor that was supposed to be there.
Yes.
He was scared off.
I mean, he was fascinated.
He wanted to be involved with it.
He didn't know exactly what it was all about, but he knew Jonathan.
He was friends with Jonathan.
And when the day came for him to show up, he called and just said, I can't be there.
He basically backed out without any reason, which is something that has happened many, many times, including with a publisher.
Currently.
But back to the story where we were.
The pictures that you now have are of the examination that Gary and I performed, the close-up topical examination.
During that, I opened the eyes.
I took close-up pictures of the eye, the eyelid, the mouth, as close as I could get in the mouth.
Uh, the kind of equipment necessary to do a fabulous interior job.
I recall you saying that you actually had to kind of prop the 35mm camera up to be able to take these.
No, no, no.
During these pictures, Gary actually took the picture.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
They are my hands.
I mean, both my hands and arms are in that picture.
That's good, because I was going to suggest I don't see how you could get that kind of a close-up.
Right.
The video that was taken the first night after I brought the creature home was actually taken where I duct taped the video camera to the side of a ladder because I did not have a tripod.
Well, I'll tell you, whatever else is going on, your story is solid.
I've tried a couple of times here, my cute little way to trip you up and it's not worked.
So Gary was holding the camera.
For these very, very close-up photographs.
And you can actually see what appears to be, is that the pupil of the eye?
Yes, it is.
And Art, you have the original Kodak, right?
I do.
Okay.
I should tell my audience, just so they don't say, oh gee, faked up computer photographs, wrong.
I've got the original Kodak photographs.
I scanned them.
I sent them to Keith.
No shadow boxing here.
No shadow boxing.
No shadow boxing.
No, no.
These have never been doctored or adjusted in any way and all that information will be coming out and that's what we're trying to do at this point is to get that information out.
And the negatives at some time.
Right.
We're going to make arrangements.
We will talk about that with you, Art, privately, but we will make some arrangements to detail the negatives, the positives, and the video.
I have been counseled by legal counsel to, at this point, not let any other evidence out because we are limited in how much we have.
I gave you my word that I would get some negatives to you.
You did, yeah.
And you and I will walk through that process.
Alright.
And I would like to be part of that process.
I can understand that.
And I will at a later date explain to you why we need to do it very carefully.
Oh no, listen, you don't have to explain a thing to me.
I am in possession of Some alleged crash debris from Roswell that is still anomalous after years and years of intense study scientifically, and I've been very careful with who tested it, where it went, and when it was in and out of my hands.
You must be very careful.
Well, I went through the process of taking some of this to what you would call the logical sources.
Some of the legitimate, quote-unquote, sources that will back up this kind of thing and look into it.
Right.
And at those sources, I lost a huge amount of evidence.
I can understand that.
Now, to wrap this story up, gentlemen, the body, people would ask, where is the body now?
Where is the rest of the evidence now?
And what about your friend?
Who participated with you in all of this?
Those things I think we have to cover.
Well, there were several people that helped me during this ten day event from start to finish.
Gary, one of them, Dolly was another dear close friend.
Dolly is dead.
I actually found Dolly dead in her house.
The day when I had called her to go up and pick up a package she was holding for me with more of this information.
That package was never found.
Dead of what cause, do you know?
Considered to be natural causes.
Interesting.
I had talked with her a few hours before.
And you were the one to find the body?
Yes, I was.
Alright, and of Gary?
Gary is not around.
Gary is either in hiding or has met an unnatural fate also.
I have not seen or spoke to Gary in over two years.
And for that very same reason, you are on the move nearly all the time yourself.
At the end of this ten day event, I went underground.
And I literally pulled in my landing gear.
and found a new way to survive.
I knew that there was something very serious about all this, considering what all had led up to that tenth day, and I had to find a way to survive and to eventually get my life back, and that's why I'm here.
Okay.
Doctor, the body, the alien body.
On the ninth day, I went back to my house.
Which was where the freezer in my garage was.
My house had been ransacked and torn apart.
There were boards from the floor missing.
There were holes in the walls.
Every single thing in my house had been totally disrupted or destroyed or taken.
Two filing cabinets were gone out of my house.
It had nothing to do with this.
But I went to the garage.
I found the door pried loose from the actual wall in the garage.
Sitting aside the garage.
I went in, the freezer was gone, there was nothing left.
So, a lot of the evidence was gone with, was it Dottie?
75% of the evidence that I had at the, let's say at the end of the ninth day, 75% is gone.
What I have left is what I was able to Hide away with myself.
I had, I had faltered away from during this entire event.
Alright, um, I think we're pretty well through the story now.
Uh, somebody asks my facts.
I see you're going to have Jonathan Reid on again tonight.
I live near the Cascade Mountains where he claims to have encountered the alien.
Would you ask him tonight where in the Cascades he encountered the alien?
Was it near Suquamish Pass?
I'm not sure I'm getting that right.
Or was It was 15 miles northeast of Snoqualmie Pass.
I almost got it right.
Alright, that's a pretty precise location.
Did Dr. Reed take any samples of blood or body fluids and have them lab tested?
Get any copies of the results?
Yes, Dr. Reed did.
He took them to the university where he was employed and took them to a hospital laboratory.
And took them and gave them to someone to examine in a very serious attempt to get some information.
That blood sample and that person was never found.
I never saw that person again, I could not find them, and no one had any information about that sample.
Alright, is there anyone else that you know that is still alive and not missing who had seen the alien body?
No.
What model or type of camcorder did you use?
The camcorder was an 8mm camcorder and a Nikon.
A straight 8 and a Nikon.
All right.
Doctor, hold on.
We'll be right back.
And yes, we are now opening phone lines.
I've got a couple of other facts, questions, and then we're going to the phone lines for Dr. Reed.
And Robert Wraith.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Let me continue.
Once again, Dr. Wraith and Robert Wraith.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
Just a few more facts, questions, and off to the phones.
This one says, Art, you have seen Dr. Wraith's video.
Could you give the listening audience an honest, straight-out opinion of it and a little more verbal description of it?
Well, my opinion would be That, uh, it was a, a verbal description.
Let's see.
It was a lot of running, a lot of very hard breathing.
Somebody in the middle of a, well, I guess a panic attack would be what I would describe.
And, um, some of it was steady.
Most of it was running or moving.
And you got to see the obelisk in the video, the alien.
All of it appears roughly as, as in the still photographs.
and backs those up uh... so i don't know what else i can say you've got to see the video and i assume at some point the audience will get an opportunity to do that uh... did uh... dr reed meet any hikers coming back down the trail while carrying the alien bundle alright uh... have you done any reverse investigation on your own or with help from friends as to any specifics of who might have ransacked your house and that sort of thing We could put a name to them and just call them M.I.D.s, but they're definitely people that were looking for what we had.
We believed that our phones had been tapped, we had been watched for days, and not only myself, Gary, Dolly, my girlfriend, her family, on and on.
You obviously have pretty good photographic and video evidence.
The person, as a matter of fact, Frank from Custer, Washington, wants to know if you would take a lie detector test.
That has already been done, which I passed.
Oh my!
Really?
When did that occur?
That was done approximately three months after this event.
I'll be damned!
And you passed the test, and I assume the results of that are going to be in the book, Robert?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
And finally, today, what is Dr. Reed's assessment of the public's acceptance or denial of his alien interaction contact story?
What do you think the public thinks, Doctor, is what they're asking, I guess.
Well, by information since we've been on your show.
The response has been probably 85% positive that they do understand that these events happen once in a while.
Somebody is able to clinical something and that it will stand on its own.
All right, let us begin to go to the phones.
First on caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Grace.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
Where are you?
My name is Randy.
I'm calling from Phoenix.
Okay, Randy.
Hi, Dr. Reed.
How are you doing?
Good.
Thank you.
One of my questions, well, I have a couple questions.
Was the beam wearing any type of clothing or uniform or anything like that?
Yes, it was.
It had a suit, which we refer to as the skin suit, which is a very tight-fitting, material-based suit, almost like spandex, black in color, gloves attached to the arms.
Okay.
I haven't had access to anything, and I haven't seen pictures or anything.
Compared to the Alien Autopsy, was there any similarities?
Not in my mind.
No?
Not at all?
Not at all.
Okay.
My other question was, you're going to go public with this.
What venue are you going to use to get this to the public?
Are you going to use the media or newspapers?
Well, we're attempting to use every venue possible that's committed to Getting a positive statement out.
We're not looking to make this fear-based.
This is not about fear.
It's about hope.
It's about the new future that all of us have to embrace.
The information that I have that is in the book, when people read it, will give them a great deal more to think about than what's been said at this time.
There are events that are taking place in and around this show, our show.
that are only starting now to happen that are chronicled in the book.
Art, you have the last chapter.
There is a section in the last chapter that talks about answers that people need to know.
And it's a list.
Alright, in other words, answers to most frequently asked questions, that kind of deal?
Well, answers to things that are involved in our lives with extraterrestrial beings.
We talk about Mars, our moon, Egypt, the Middle East, weather control, the AIDS virus, Earth evolution, DNA, star communications, time shifting, space dimensional travel, MIBs, world economic crash, cold tech, extraterrestrial visitors, new documentation, the Earth, the Sun, the Bible, life force, and UFOs in general.
Holy smokes.
Yes.
So you get to a lot of it, alright.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Grace.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
How are you?
I'm fine.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Lowell, Texas.
Listening to KFYO.
By the way, in the first part of your show, Art, you mentioned a call about the melanoma thing.
Yes.
There was something I saw in a documentary about a year and a half ago you might be interested in.
I can't tell you the doctor.
I can barely remember where the location might be, but what he was doing is he was applying chemotherapy to the melanoma and then applying a small amount of electricity through the tumor with two electrodes.
Okay, well I appreciate it, but right now we're at... That's something you might want to check on.
Thank you very much.
Dr. Reed, part of your story, I'm having a real hard time I'm not trying to be disrespectful in any way.
No problem.
But in the situation with the creature in the freezer, you had mentioned how you were so distressed about maybe having killed a conscious entity, and then when you discovered that it was actually alive, I never ever heard you Say on your own, Volition, that you were emotionally relieved about the fact that you hadn't killed the creature.
And one of his interviews kind of hit on that subject.
And you gave some sort of an explanation, which I really couldn't quite accept.
Part of the reason being, When you slammed the door down, the creature quit screaming, and I don't think that would be logical.
It sounded almost to me like it was produced.
Well, that's exactly how it happened.
As far as having remorse that I had killed it, I think I mentioned in the previous interview that I felt relieved that it was no longer in a dead state, but I was still upset because it was named.
Because now I had a creature that was half dead.
I felt guilty, very guilty about that.
You didn't experience any drive or desire to try to help the creature?
Oh yes, I did.
In fact, in the last interview, we went into great detail about the way I tried to communicate with him at a later time.
See, tonight we just covered the basic outline of all this, and you've got to go back to the other interviews we've done.
for the details but uh... indeed there was a lot of that thank you very much for
the call and uh... let's go to west of the rockies you're on the air
with doctor jonathan reid and robert raven art bell
good morning art robert and jonathan this is bob in san diego i bob
uh... doctor great uh... in the mt twelve papers i recall that there's
something about people who examined and and touch the aliens have horrible
things such as seizures bleeding death and so on Obviously you didn't have death.
Did you have any adverse physical reactions to that creature?
Well, from the time that I encountered the creature until about five or six days later I was extremely sick.
Nausea, headaches, dizziness, weakness.
Actually dehydrated a great deal so the only thing I can account that to is emotional stress and fatigue and or the possibility that the alien and or the obelisk had produced something that made me sick.
Great.
I really appreciate it, Collar.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
This is really good, because these really are questions that I had not come up with, and they're good ones, too.
Here's one by email.
If you had it to do all over again, Doctor, what would you do differently?
If I had it to do all over again, I would have driven directly to the university facility, a medical facility, and given them everything I had.
Um, would you have still, do you think, uh, doing it all over again, hit the alien over the head with a stick?
Well, that's a very difficult question to ask because it was emotionally driven at the time.
I had no time to think.
I was thinking about defending my dog.
And I think under the same circumstances, I probably would attempt the same motion to get this thing away from my dog.
You know, I think I would have done the same thing.
Uh, and I've really sat down and I've thought about this and I've thought about it as you've told the story.
And I really, there's not much I would have done, um, differently at all.
Um, so that helps me.
And plus your story has remained the same.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes.
Turn your radio off, please.
Yeah.
Um, turn it off.
Yeah.
Very important.
Okay.
Yeah.
Where are you, sir?
I'm from Phoenix.
This is Joe.
Hi, Joe.
Do you have a question?
Yeah.
Did you get a chance to get a collection of maybe the dust?
I know you mentioned that the dog was turned into kind of a dust.
At that point, I was not thinking clearly enough to be collecting anything except trying to collect myself.
I'm surprised that I was able to actually get out of the book at all.
My brother also has a question if I can get him really quick.
Yeah, if you can get him really quick.
One thing we were talking about also earlier was that all this information is not only in the book but there is so much more.
That we have chronicled.
Um, I'm sure there is.
Caller, hello?
Oh, hello?
Yes, do you have a question?
Oh, yeah.
Um... Didn't, um... When, Doctor, when your house was ransacked, didn't any of your neighbors see who did it?
Saw who did it?
Alright, uh, good question.
Were there any witnesses to the ransacking?
Well, the house itself sat in a wooded area, and there were very large lots.
Uh, yes, I had some very close neighbors that had seen Some very large vans pull up and go in and out of the house.
Would these neighbors be willing to come forward, do you think?
Well, there's a problem with that, and not everybody wants to have their name put over the air.
Tell me about it.
Tell me about it.
I know better than anybody about that.
Alright, here's somebody who asks by email, what happened to the obelisk?
And of course, we didn't cover that.
Uh, when you left the area with the alien body, the obelisk was still there, correct?
Yes, it was still exactly in the same place that it was the entire time that I was there.
The next day, my friend Gary and I, after talking at great lengths, decided to go back
up there and see what other evidence we could find and possibly even try to drag it out
of there, which is an incredibly stupid statement knowing that it was not going to be moved.
We were grabbing at straws at that point.
We went back, drove all the way back up there, hiked in, and there was not one thing out
of place in the entire area.
There was not a stone, not a stick, not a fern.
Even ferns that I had brushed, discussed, and tried to get close to the obelisk seemed
if they were either new or somehow in perfect, pristine condition.
All right, here's another detail.
R., thank you for a very interesting show.
Please ask Dr. Reed whatever happened to his friend Gary.
I'm reading the transcript of the first appearance on Ghost Coast,
and I'm surprised the doctor hasn't mentioned the disappearance of his 18-year-long friend.
Does Gary have any relatives who are looking for him?
Was a police report filed?
Is Dr. Reed actively looking for his friend?
Can we, your listening audience, help find Gary?
Yes, your listening audience can help find Gary if Gary wants to be found.
That's a good question.
I have not heard from him nor seen of him at all.
His family did not live in the area.
I had spoke with his parents.
After this event, he has never shown up there in any way, shape, or form, nor contacted them.
We now have a new way of contacting us.
We do have email.
Oh, you have an email address?
Yes, we do.
All right.
What is it? And that's www.drreedlinkataol.com. And that's d-r-r-e-e-d-l-i-n-k-ataol.com.
And if anyone... That wouldn't be an email address.
That would be a worldwide web address.
I'm sorry.
Let's take off the www.
It is an email address.
Dr. Reed Link.
it up with everybody so it would just be an email address dr reed link that's dr
are e e d l i n k That's what we're hoping.
Yeah, absolutely.
I want this information out.
I want people to know what this is about.
I want people to help me find Gary if he's available.
That's what we're hoping.
You're hoping for it, huh?
Yeah, absolutely.
I want this information out.
I want people to know what this is about.
I want people to help me find Gary if he's available, and if he's not, I want to know
that too.
But the last time I saw Gary was the ninth day of the event.
What's happened to your career, Doctor?
My career is in the toilet.
I am no longer able to work as I was in developmental psychology.
I have no credibility as in licensing.
My entire life as in credentials has been erased.
Oh brother.
So I have literally started over from the ground up.
I want my life back.
Well, I can understand that.
And, Robert, I guess that's where you come in, huh?
Yes.
Trying to document all this and get the word out.
Absolutely.
When I met with Jonathan, it was quite an experience, let me tell you.
Did you believe this when you first heard it?
When he first started, I thought, You know, I have a nutcase on my hand.
But I gave him the chance, much like you give people the chance on your show.
I said, OK, I'm going to hear this out.
As the night progressed, but it was a long night, let me tell you.
I bet it was.
I became convinced, and he showed me the photograph, and he showed me some other documentation.
All right.
That we have, no doubt, even not yet seen.
All right.
Gentlemen, hold on.
We'll be right back.
This is Coast to Coast AF.
In the meantime, let me bring my guests back.
Gentlemen, you're both back on the air.
Robert Rafe and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
This is the first time that the public has really had an opportunity to ask you questions.
I have no idea what's coming, so let's get to it.
First time caller on the air with Robert Reif and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Hi.
Hi, my name is Steve.
Steve, you're going to have to yell at us.
Okay.
Where are you?
I am from Oregon, the great state just below Washington.
Okay.
First off, I'd like to say I have great respect for Dr. Reed and what he's doing.
Thank you.
Whether these things are actually what happened or not, just the fact that you're going out and you're telling the story of what you know to be true.
It's absolutely great, and I applaud you for that.
Thank you very much.
My question, or I should say questions, are concerning one, the pictures that I am looking at on Art's website right now.
The first one that I can see is of the alien, and he has a green colorization, and his eye is actually somewhat open.
Would you care to comment on the circumstances that you were in?
Okay, those were taken early on, prior to the last two photographs that Art put up.
They were taken with a different type of film, an X-chrome based film, which is a slide film, that has a tendency to have a greenish or bluish tint to it.
The latter film was taken with a negative film, which is more of a red tone based film.
As far as his eyes being open, they were always open a little bit.
There was always a slit in his eyes.
But the newer photographs that I put up during the examination where I actually pulled the eyelid open, where you can see the pupil is exposed.
All right.
And my second question is about...
The actual expression that I see on the alien's face has seemed to change somewhat.
It appears on the second one that was posted that the lips seem to be a bit flatter as opposed to the earlier one.
Okay, well I could almost jump in on that one.
There was an examination done, which is shown in detail on the tape, and obviously one part of that examination was the opening of the mouth, and that might well account for that, Doctor.
Right, well our skin is pliable, even though the face and skin texture of Freddie was somewhat tough, almost like a pig skin or a hide to it.
As you moved it, it would not necessarily go back in place exactly like it was prior, just like our skin.
Exactly.
So that would account for the slight change.
In fact, I would I'd be surprised if there was not a change after an examination where you literally pried the mouth open.
Right.
All right.
Very good.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Reif and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Hello.
Hello.
Where are you?
I'm in Louisville, Kentucky.
Okay.
You two will have to yell at us.
Is that better?
That's better.
All right.
My first question is, I'm just wondering, What's the book going to be called when it comes out?
Well, the official name at this time of the book is Link and Extraterrestrial Odyssey.
Okay.
And my second question is, since the last show that you did, has anybody been trying to, say, stalk you or trying to find out more information about this?
Well, from one source or another, we have gotten some.
Yes, I've been followed and I've had some problems, but I'm still alive.
be expected.
In fact, if I didn't get that, I would be surprised.
But as far as people directly running me off the road like they had been in previous months,
no.
Now, Robert experienced that.
Yes, I've been followed and I've had some problems, but I'm still alive.
I'm not dead or missing.
But then again, I've been on our bell, so that may account for the fact that I'm still
Now, we have also filtered a lot of this information around the world at this point, so that if anything does happen to me personally, or Robert, or anybody else connected with this, this will come out.
In fact, the best source for that is Mr. Art Bell.
Okay, thank you.
That's all I want to know.
All right, there you are.
About the book, and people are wondering when it's going to come out, you know, you have talked to some publishers, but they seem fascinated and interested, and suddenly they back off and know, apparently, we're not going to go into names and who, when, and where exactly, but some have even, a couple have even been threatened.
So they just back off.
Oh, you mean the publishers have been threatened?
Yes.
Oh my, oh my.
This is a very controversial book.
It has information that some people don't want out.
Well, that's obvious if you look at the actions that have been taken to keep it from getting out with respect to the earlier portion, larger portion of the evidence.
What happened to that and the people who had it, to your friend, to your house, the whole thing.
Alright, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hi, this is John from Cleveland, Ohio.
Hi, John.
And my basic question was, you know, this is all great.
I've listened to all of your interviews with him and stuff, but basically what I'm having a problem with is if he's underground, how come they can't trace his phone calls?
Because he's on the queue for, you know, hours and stuff.
You know, is there something I'm missing here?
Well, ask it again, caller, please.
Uh, basically, you know, how can he spend hours on the phone talking to you and not be tracked?
Okay, my first answer would be, look, if the government wanted to track him, I presume they could do that.
Um, if it's a matter of my keeping faith, I don't, uh, I keep my word.
Yeah, I understand that.
So otherwise, could they tap the line and find out where he is this very moment?
I would presume so.
Except for the fact that where I am at this very moment, I won't be three hours from now.
Caller?
Yeah, but if they were, oh well, you know, sort of, if they were after him, you know, as bad as he's saying, you know, other people disappearing.
Well, here's the other aspect.
You would think they'd be after him.
You know, once though, once this whole thing is public the way it is, I mean, pictures on the website now for how long?
For a couple of months at least.
There is safety in being public.
And that's exactly what we want to do.
This is the point I brought up earlier.
The fact is, if the government wanted me right now, they could get me.
They've obviously followed me.
I've made that statement.
Right now, it's just fear-based tactics.
And you know what?
I'm not going to back down.
I'm not going to back down.
What would you do, Caller?
I have no idea, but I'm just thinking, you know, if they... If they wanted him, they'd have him.
If they took him out, you know, in six months, this is all going to be forgotten.
You know, there's going to be nothing to prove one way or another.
Well, that's why we've... Thank you.
That's why we've got a lot of stuff on the website right now.
There's already a manuscript.
I assume it's in hands other than mine.
It is, right?
Correct.
Thank goodness.
And there's one other point I'd like to make.
Sure.
This is a perfect time.
This isn't about just me anymore.
This is about everyone who's listening to my voice.
It's about Art Bell.
It's about people who respect Art Bell Show and the availability for people to come on, tell their story without the fear This is a wonderful forum.
We need more forums like this.
But there's one thing that nobody knows, and I'm going to tell you now.
There was a piece of hard evidence that I have in my possession that has been examined and safely stored and is now out of this country.
Oh my!
That piece of evidence will be made available In the near future.
Would you care to say what it consists of?
Robert?
Should we?
I think we could mention it, yes.
Go ahead.
We believe it's a controller device, something that links the alien to the obelisk.
It's a small device with three symbols engraved on it, and it has three needles.
I picked that up when I rolled up the extraterrestrial in the thermal blanket.
of the wearer that we believe it may be some kind of contact device with the opalist.
Holy smokes.
Doctor, when and where did you recover this?
This is new information so this requires a couple of questions.
I picked that up when I rolled up the extraterrestrial in the thermal blanket.
It was laying about two or three feet away from his body.
At that point, I had no idea what it was.
I just grabbed it, threw it in the thermal blanket.
Oh my God!
So you've got, uh... And somehow you've managed to preserve that.
I have managed to preserve that the same way that I've managed to stay out of sight.
I have some help.
I'll say this.
If, as the caller says, the government could take us out, then I'll be forgotten.
I'll tell you something.
If we are taken out, It will not be forgotten.
There are photographs, there are videos, there are other people, there's Art Bell, and there's this device.
If something happens to us, okay, it will come out.
And sooner or later the world's going to know.
We're getting into some pretty serious territory here.
You took a lie detector test, you passed it.
You provided extensive photographic documentation.
Which, by the way, nobody has torn apart yet, and a lot of people have tried.
Except for some silly people that I dismiss, you know, the usual pixel counters.
And now you're telling me you've got physical evidence documented and safely stashed away in another country.
This is getting more serious by the moment.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Raiffe.
Hi.
Thank you for taking my call.
Good evening, gentlemen.
How are you?
Good.
Thank you.
Fine.
Well, you answered my question.
I was going to say about the government.
What was the point?
It's already out.
I suppose they don't want any more to get out, but I think it's really kind of too late.
And my second comment was I definitely believe the doctor because those are the little wrinkly guys that have been visiting me since I was 10 years old.
They come to my room, and I saw them as recently as about eight months ago.
Actually, more like almost a year now.
And I bet you a buck that there's a lot of people out there who have seen him in sort of that half sleep.
Not to the extent that the doctor has at all, that I know of, but I bet you there's a lot of people out there and they're just not talking.
I know that you're right.
I know that there are a lot of people that have seen these.
A tremendous amount of people that either are afraid to come forward because they will be called crazy or they've been threatened.
Well I mean mostly you're going to be called crazy but I didn't even before I wasn't on the web for a long time and I just recently got back on I knew the minute you started talking about it I knew exactly what it was going to look like and that's the kind of alien that I saw.
We need people like you to come forward you know whether upon radio shows like this or You know, get behind this thing.
Call some publishers and tell them to get on the ball to help us get this thing out.
Well, I sketched on that one night.
I had three encounters with three different things and I sketched them.
I called Art one night and I said I was going to fax him, but I don't have a fax machine.
And I sat here for months and months thinking, what fax person am I going to be sending these pictures to?
Well, that's true.
All right.
Thank you very much.
Guys, this is getting more and more serious by the moment.
And I guess the most serious job for you now is trying to get this published, correct?
Exactly.
And again, Art, the tenth chapter, the last chapter of our book, details exactly what I have been doing, and where I have been, and how I have kept out of harm's way with this information.
You know, if you look at the psychology, the way things are working, people haven't pumped You know, with fear for a long time.
Don't say anything.
Don't think this.
Don't say anything.
That will happen to you.
This will happen to you.
Uh, when you have the bunkers talking, like happened tonight on television, they used, oh, and if this was in a court of law, we look at our law fearfully as power.
Uh, people use these things as tools to terrify and manipulate individuals and keep them away from coming out with their story.
And that's how it works.
There are all kinds of people out there.
Some of the debunkers, I'm sure, are more than likely working for other sources whose very design is to stop people like Jonathan and myself from coming out with any information.
Well, there are a couple things going around that are said to prove that this is all false.
One is that apparently on a website, I think, uh... that norio hayakawa maintains there was a an obelisk put there but that was put there again after your photographs were posted on my side and i think that norio has made a statement about that and then there are other people who say no i've seen that obelisk somewhere else to me that's like saying oh my god look another flying saucer photograph that proves that flying saucers are fake if in fact there is another obelisk picture somewhere
That goes more toward verifying things than it does toward tearing them apart.
Right.
There's one other fact, too, that I just want to say.
People have, you know, incredibly come forward and put a lot of information pro and con, which is good.
This is about information.
This is about education.
I want people to know what happened.
They can choose for themselves whether to believe it or not after they see it.
But before they see it, it's very difficult to make that statement.
That's true.
All I'm trying to do is get this information out, get it to the public, have some kind of preservation of my own life, get myself to where I don't have to be in fear.
This has been very difficult.
It has been a very difficult existence.
This is no fun, and other people know that.
We don't want to ram this down anybody's throat.
We want people, individuals, to make up their own mind when they see it.
There are too many processes out there that create elements that lead people by the nose in one direction or the other.
It's time for people to think for themselves.
A lot of your callers tonight are doing just that.
Whether they're positive or negative, the fact is They're thinking about the story for themselves, and that, I think, is very important.
And you can debunk anything.
You can if you stand at one point and look at something in only one direction.
Oh, that's that's a great point.
Well, we had we had the ideal example of that earlier in the evening on Fox.
Right.
We did.
One of the things that people keep saying is they say, well, these pictures are too clear.
I know.
People aren't satisfied.
And I'll tell you something.
A few years ago, I met with this gentleman.
That said, he had evidence that the Holocaust never occurred.
I've heard of these.
Now, I wanted to slap this man, but I gave him his shot at this nonsense.
But the point is that he wanted to debunk the murder of millions of people.
People are out there to do this.
That's what it's all about.
People can come up with evidence On anything to debunk anything.
And again, that Fox show tonight was a perfect example of that.
If this EP came up and bit you, Art, in the butt, you could still turn around a day later and say it didn't happen.
I would never know the truth.
You're right.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Ray.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi, where are you, sir?
I am in near Boise, Idaho.
Okay.
It's a pleasure to talk to you, Dr. Reed.
Thank you.
I think what you're doing is a great service for the United States and the world.
I wanted to know what the hands and the feet look like, and when the alien talked to you, what did it communicate to you, if anything?
All right, let's deal with one at a time.
These are good questions.
The hands and the feet, Doctor.
Well, the hands and the feet of Freddy were contained in what we call the skin suit.
This was basically a one piece where the gloves and the arms were covered with a fabric similar to like a spandex material, a black material that basically defied everything I've ever seen.
In the last radio show that we had, we talked about the fact that I cut it.
I tried to cut it with an X-Acto knife.
You actually remove it.
And couldn't cut it.
And couldn't cut it.
Actually, doctor, there's more to it.
Hold on.
We're at a break point.
Caller, hold on.
We'll bring you right back.
This is Post to Post AM.
The caller is asking about the hands and the feet, most specifically.
Okay, they were, again, they were encapsulated in this fabric, this black skin suit fabric.
The fingers were in three fingered gloves.
So each hand looked like it had a big mitten on it with three fingers, but actually when you felt the fingers through the material, there were five fingers on each hand.
Right.
Exactly right.
And when you tried to cut into this... When I tried to cut into the material on the surface of the neck, I made an incision about three or four inches And within a second it started to adhere itself together almost like a zipper closing.
Caller?
That's incredible.
It was incredible.
Just as my own experience I can tell you that I've seen craft up close and I can see why people won't believe it.
I know.
Because it changed my life forever.
I know.
Exactly.
I know this to be true, and I'd have to say, in honesty, that if I didn't see it and experience it for myself... You'd probably say baloney, huh?
I would, and the stuff that I've seen was like magic.
Alright, well, I'm in a similar circumstance.
I have also seen a craft.
It changed my life.
There's no way it cannot.
I saw a craft up close and personal, a story I've told many times and I won't retell here.
But once you have seen something like that for yourself, you don't have a lot of choices left in life.
I mean, you have seen this, you either have to believe that our government has a lot of stuff we don't know about, which is possible, but I don't know about anti-gravity, and, or, you have seen something from elsewhere.
One of the two.
First time caller online, you're on the air with Robert Raith and Dr. Jonathan Reid.
Hi.
Good afternoon.
Thanks for taking my call.
This is Dave from Toronto.
Toronto?
It can't possibly be afternoon in Toronto.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Good morning to you.
Early, early morning.
I have a comment for Dr. Reid, actually.
I hate to sound like a skeptic, but one point that I'm really having a problem trying to understand is when you said, when you smashed this thing in the head with a baseball bat, you were not 100% sure it was not a child.
You only determined it was not a child until you smashed it in the head.
So what I'm trying to say is, isn't that something you should have been 100% sure about before you smashed it in the head?
Two things, caller.
One, it was a stick or a branch the size of a baseball bat is the way I recall the doctor having said it.
Okay.
Not an actual baseball bat.
Okay, thanks for clearing that up.
And then the second part was?
Shouldn't you have been 100% sure what you were smashing before you did it?
Well, I think at the moment, I wasn't being completely rational.
I was being extremely emotional and physical.
And I had just witnessed my dog's head literally ripped from its skull.
At that moment, I was kind of defending myself and or what was going on.
But you're right.
If I had a moment to think, is this a child?
I would have probably stopped.
Oh, of course.
But at that moment, if I had of, maybe I would have been next.
Okay, and one more question.
What time of evening did this happen?
It happened at 2.55 in the afternoon.
Oh, in the afternoon.
Okay, thank you very much.
Alright, thank you very much, Caller.
And somebody asks, what press, other than my program, Have you taken this evidence to any mainstream press?
We have talked with several different organizations around the world, but nothing has been picked up.
There is going to be an article, an exclusive article, written by Christopher Montgomery in an upcoming issue of one of the U.S.-based extraterrestrial magazines.
Well, no kidding.
And that's due to come out next month.
This is the beginning.
That's why I was saying, we are asking for everyone's help.
I am looking for printers, publishers, agents.
Anyone who would like to see this information out, give me a call.
Here's another one that people have said that I'll hit you with.
I interviewed Travis Walton.
They made a movie about what happened to Travis Walton, a very famous abduction case.
The movie was called Fire in the Sky.
And I interviewed Travis and his boss, and they all took lie detector tests with regard to the abduction case of Travis Walton.
The reason I mention this is because the alien depicted in Fire in the Sky is It bears a remarkable resemblance to the alien in the photos on my website that you, Doctor, took.
Now, people try to cite this as, well, somehow he got hold of a prop or something like that.
I don't look at it that way.
I tend to look at it as, well, maybe that's how they describe the alien.
Well, you know, you know, and if there are real aliens and this was one, then why should we be surprised that it looks like another description?
I recently saw the film.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, Fire in the Sky.
Right.
And... That's what we saw together.
Right.
I was very curious because we had been hearing this.
We heard it a couple of times on your show and said, okay, we need to see this.
Right.
What's this all about?
Well, there are some similarities, but the eyes are totally different and the head is completely different, but in the movie, they're gray.
In this situation, more than likely, this thing is a gray.
So there's going to be similarities, yes.
All right.
But it's definitely, to me, it definitely was different, but there is similarities.
Oh, yeah.
Because they both had large, oval, almond-shaped eyes.
They both had grayish, pinkish skin.
And they both were not from Houston.
Right.
These are the Rockies.
You are on the air.
Hello, my name is Peter.
I'm calling from Sarasota, Florida.
Okay, Peter, you're going to have to yell at us.
You're not too loud.
Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Razor here.
What's on your mind?
Yes.
Hi, Dr. Reed.
Hi.
It's an honor to talk to you.
Thank you.
It seems like the government is forcing us to want to have closure, and I don't know how I would react, but if I saw something like that, I'd want to kill it and then protect it with my life.
And not tell anybody about it, and I would call Peter Davenport and somehow get one big, massive press release going, you know?
Well, in effect, that's what we're doing right now.
I understand that, but you lost the alien.
It's kind of like, that's awful, you know?
But the thing is... Yeah, but we've got quite a bit.
On top of the photographic evidence caller, we now have an artifact.
Oh, excellent, excellent.
Well, you see, that's what we need to do, because the government's covering up so much, and we know that they're lying, and I don't want to scare you, Dr. Reed, but I know for a fact that the government kills its own people to get its main objective out, and I don't want to see anything like that happen to you.
I'm sure Dr. Reed doesn't either.
We have set things in motion.
To get this information out so that it is no longer just about me.
There are going to be things happening in the very near future that will make it apparent to everyone that this, not only my story, but the story of alien existence coexisting with humans has been going on for a very long time and there will be unrefutable facts That no one will be able to deny very, very soon.
All right.
Okay.
Thanks a lot, Art.
Thank you for the call and take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Grayson, Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Hi.
Hello.
Where are you?
Tacoma, Washington.
Yes, sir.
My part of the country.
Thank you.
Were there any soil samples taken from the area where the obelisk and where this event was taken place later on?
No, there was not.
No soil samples.
Have you thought about going back and taking soil samples from this area?
Yes.
We have contacted several sources that I refer to as an alliance of friends.
I know the country.
I do a lot of hiking in the area.
I've lived here for many years.
I know somewhat of the area that you were in by your description of the area or your Is correct, but it's very rugged terrain.
I think there's a very good idea though that soil samples would be taken.
Yes, I agree.
Okay, thank you very much.
Thank you.
Okay, let's keep moving on.
There is one question somebody sent by email and apparently people don't hear the whole show.
Aren't I need to know if the photos on the website are scans of the originals?
The answer is yes.
I have the originals and I scan them myself.
So I have the original 35 millimeter photograph somewhere.
There's a studio cam picture of my holding the 35 millimeter photographs up.
I don't know where that is.
Keith has it.
We'll get it up again when we can.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Good evening, gentlemen.
Good evening.
Where are you?
Art, greetings from the wet coast of Canada.
All right.
Jim from Vancouver.
Yes, sir.
A question.
Would be, has Dr. Reed attempted to get any of the previous US administration involved in this case?
Yes, Dr. Reed has.
And again, in the book it chronicles this to a great degree.
And it also explains that I got dead end after dead end after dead end.
Then why have so many previous administrations expressed such great interest in getting to the bottom of it if they're not willing to see what's in their face?
That's a good question.
Well, being a Canadian, I have really no opinion.
I just thought it would be a good question to raise.
It is a great question, and my answer to it is All of us need to know this.
All of us need to see what is going on.
Not just people in the United States of America, but the people of the world.
This is happening everywhere.
This is not just happening in one country.
I have talked with probably 20 or 30 people in the last two years that there have been events similar to this happen to them or to friends of theirs all over the world.
Our politicians tell us a lot of things and Uh, we all know politicians.
They can tell you that they want to get to the bottom of something, that they're really interested in it, this and that and whatnot.
But, most of the time... You're not saying they'd lie.
No, but I will tell you one thing.
What a nice little smoke screen.
I will tell you one thing.
Do you have two-faced politicians down there, too?
We share them.
Three and four-faced.
One thing for sure, I did not have sexual relations with this alien.
You didn't?
No.
That's on your side right away, Dr. Reid.
Okay.
All right.
Um, uh, Use of the Rockies, you're only here with Dr. Jonathan Reid and Robert Reid.
Hi.
Hi, how are you doing?
Okay, where are you?
I'm in Silver Spring, Maryland.
All right.
My name is Felix.
I wanted to, uh, just sort of commend Dr. Reid for his, uh, his bravery.
And I wish him best of luck as far as getting his life back.
Um, the thing, one comment I wanted to make was that, I've heard the term government thrown out a lot tonight, and I think people need to take a really hard look at what the word government really means.
There is a book, you've had a guest on the show before, David Icke, Icke C.K.E., he's got a book out, Truth Shall Set You Free, and it's really a book I think every thinking person ought to read and just think about it for themselves.
It's a very detailed book and it pieces a lot of things together, and I don't want to tell anyone what to believe.
You know, I say read the book.
All right.
Think about it.
I couldn't agree more.
Thank you very much, and take care.
All right.
I want to give out your email address again, because somebody sent me a message and said, no, it's too long.
It's not a valid AOL address.
It is, too.
I tried it.
It's drreed, R-E-E-D, link, L-I-N-K, at AOL.com.
That's drreed, link, at AOL.com.
Correct.
And it does work.
One thing I wanted to say is, in regard to governments, I'm not saying that it's the entire government, I'm saying that it's a sub-government.
A lot of people say that.
Um, and I believe there may well be a hand behind the hand, which is what you're saying, essentially.
Yes.
Western Rockies are on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and R-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r Hi, gentlemen.
Hi, Eric.
It's Mark McCandlish.
How are you?
Mark McCandlish?
Yes, sir.
Author of, no, illustrator of the one incredible sighting that I had.
Actually, I had two, but the most incredible sighting.
And, Mark, would you please tell the audience that we worked a long time on that, didn't we?
Yeah, we did.
We went through all the different angles that you saw this thing at, how high you thought it was.
uh... what the uh... the various angles of the vehicle were terrain the lighting
was terrain light sources everything and uh...
uh... spent a lot of time trying to figure out exactly how big it was and
i'm not sure we ever actually came to a specific conclusion about that but
well we did i mean in the sense that you hit it right on the head uh...
in your in your photograph
I really appreciate it.
Actually, that's part of why I'm calling.
I wondered if these two gentlemen, because they did lose a lot of information, had any need for composite illustrations of some of the events that took place during these nine days of terror, so to speak, that they went through.
That's a wonderful, wonderful idea.
Gentlemen, this is Mark McCandless.
Okay, I think that's a very good idea, and we definitely would like to talk to you more.
Good.
Well then, I suppose I can set up some line of communication through Art.
I think that's a very good idea and we definitely would like to talk to you more.
Good.
Well, I suppose I can set up some line of communication through Art.
No, why don't you just email them directly?
Right.
Okay.
I can give them a phone number.
Alright, Dr. Reid Link at AOL.com.
Yes, I have a tape running, so I got the information.
I did have one question though, and that was, I wasn't sure because I didn't hear the previous broadcast, the previous story.
Was there some point at which the creature in the freezer was actually determined to be dead?
I know that it had been screaming and so forth, but Was there a time when it was actually believed to be dead?
It's really a good question.
Actually, it was believed to be dead when he put it in there the first time.
Right.
But after opening the freezer and screaming, I don't know about after that.
Well, I thought I heard him say that they took it out and did a closer examination with video and cameras, and I wondered if at that point it was thought to be dead.
No, that was prior to it showing me that it was still alive.
Okay.
One other question I did have for you was, because I'm a dog owner and I have great sympathy for your loss as far as your dog was concerned, one of the things that I didn't hear you mention which made me kind of wonder was, at the point at which you determined that the dog was being physically harmed by this entity, you didn't mention anything about the dog making any noise or shrieking or crying out or anything.
You just said that you ran up and you hit this thing.
And so I kind of wondered if that was just something that you overlooked or you didn't mention.
Well, no, he did mention he was hearing that noise well before he arrived on the scene.
Yeah, he said he was hearing the dog in terrible distress.
I thought mostly that he said that it was barking more angrily or something.
During the actual physical tearing apart of the animal, there was a sound that no one should ever hear.
I can sympathize.
From the dog or from... From the dog.
Oh, okay.
Now I understand.
Such dying agony.
There was no question what was, you know, the dog was in terrible pain.
Sure.
Well, given similar circumstances, I think I probably would have done the same thing that you did, but I'm wondering if this artifact that you have may actually be the weapon, for lack of a better term, That caused this to happen to your dog?
That's a great question because we've done that as well.
That is a very possibility.
Well, I look forward to dealing with you.
All right, Mark.
Send us an email.
Thank you.
Dr. Reed and Robert, hold on.
We'll be right back.
And do one more hour of caller questions about all of this.
Wanted to give the audience an opportunity to ask anything they wanted.
If you'd like to email Dr. Reed, it's D-R-R-E-E-D, that's D-R-R-E-E-D, link, L-I-N-K, at A-O-L dot com.
Dr. Reed link at A-O-L dot com.
Alright, a couple of things I would like to clear up and then we'll move on.
Doctor, somebody writes, Greg writes, how is it that the doctor just happened to record the scream of the alien when opening the freezer?
Why was he carrying a tape recorder turned on when opening the freezer?
That was not the first time that I had gone out to the freezer.
This was much later when I made that recording.
Oh, I see.
All right.
That answers that.
We asked you what kind of cameras you had, and some people thought they heard you say you had a Nikon Was it Nikon?
Yes.
A Nikon camcorder, and you didn't say that.
You said you had an 8mm camcorder?
It's an 8mm, straight 8, but it is made by Nikon.
It is?
Yes.
A lot of people have said they weren't aware that Nikon ever made that.
It's an older machine.
A straight 8, not the... Not the high 8.
High 8, right.
And the 35mm camera was an older Nikon camera.
Okay, good enough.
Clear that up.
Great optic.
Obviously, pictures are good.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hi, this is John in Houston.
Hi, John.
I heard the first interview that they had with you, and if I can remember correctly, you didn't get called around and your house didn't get ransacked until after you had made your calls to the UFO people.
Do you think there's any connection with that, or how do you believe that they even found out?
Yeah, that's a pretty good question.
Okay, that's a great question.
Number one, if you've noticed in any of our interviews, we're not putting anyone down, nor mentioning any specific groups directly, because of litigation reasons, because of lawsuits, but not all of the quote-unquote legitimate UFO I can imagine that.
Some of them I believe are sub-government controlled and or sponsored.
I do believe that after we started making our inquiries that that's when these things started happening and that's exactly right.
Also, do you believe if your dog had not been with you that day How do you believe there would have been a different turnabout as far as would have been a friendly encounter?
Of course, that calls for speculation, but it is an interesting question.
Had your dog not been with you, Doctor?
I have no idea.
Obviously, all I am recording is what happened.
Not what might have happened.
Maybe it would have heard me coming and I would have never seen it.
Maybe you wouldn't be here talking to us right now.
Maybe a lot of things.
That's right.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Rafe and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Hello.
Hello.
Oh, hi.
My name is Stan.
I'm from Fresno, California.
Yes, sir.
First time caller and first time on national radio, so I'm kind of excited about that.
All right.
I really enjoy your program.
Thank you.
I would like to basically respond to the lady.
I would love to correspond with her about the lady who saw when they came in her room, your bedroom I guess, at night.
They were visiting her she said.
I had an experience basically of the same exact thing she did.
They were like a grayish white.
I was in bed one night and I woke up.
I looked up and I saw What I could swear was, it was a man, but I could swear it was me.
Believe it or not.
And there was five of these things, they looked, had large eyes, they were grayish white, and as I lifted up, one of them pointed towards me.
Have you seen the photographs on the website, sir?
No, I don't have a computer.
The minute I set up, one of them pointed at me, there was about five of them, and I went Well, listen, I appreciate your report, but we're trying to hold it open for questions for Dr. Reed.
Sure, but I just wanted to report that I did agree with the lady on the program that called in.
I had the same experience.
Okay.
Dr. Reed, I think you've done a wonderful job and I appreciate you sharing this with the people.
Thank you.
Alright, thank you very much for the call.
You know, Art, if people want to go to your website or want to see the pictures or whatnot, libraries now have computers you can always go down to a
local library. That's right.
And they can also get your After Dark. After Dark newsletter. That lags a little bit, but
it's, believe me, the photographs are going in there. I think we've already got one issue
out with it. First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert Raith and Dr.
Jonathan Reed. Hi, this is Scarlett from Eagle Point, Oregon.
Hello there.
Hi, I have a couple of questions about the alien, and then one about the lie detector test.
Alright.
To tell whether a human being is dead or alive, you check for pulse and respirations, and I wondered if once you struck the alien in the woods, and you got your wits about you, if you checked for pulse and respirations, and did you check when you did the examination?
That's my first question.
Yes, I did.
What did you get?
As far as I could tell, there was no breathing recognized and no pulse that I could find.
Now again, I was feeling through this material, this skin suit, but as far as the alien breathing that I could notice, I saw no sign of life.
Okay.
Did you notice any sign of gender, whether it was male or female?
You've been calling it Freddy?
Yes, we affectionately call it Freddy just because of something that my friend Gary recognized, and it explains that in the book in great detail.
But in examining Freddy, I could find no sign of female or male genitalia at all.
Well, what did your friend find?
Well, he didn't find anything either.
It was just a name that we coined to call him.
Okay.
And I wanted to ask about the hair.
In the photo on the internet, it almost looked like the alien has a mohawk, but it doesn't look quite like hair.
Was there hair down the center of his head?
Yeah, that's a good question.
What do we see back there?
No, there's no hair on the body at all that I could find.
As far as the photograph, that Art recently put up on the web.
All it is is skin, wrinkles, some folds, some basically veins.
Other than that, the skin was very much like a pig skin or a leathery material, very old
in texture and feel.
Did it feel rubbery like or did it feel like human skin?
It was much denser than the skin on our face.
Much more leathery is the best word I can use.
Okay.
I have a question about the lie detector test.
Yes.
I wondered where you had the test taken, who took the test, and how that came about.
I had that done through people that I have called the Alliance of Source.
And it was done through a university criminology department.
And I set that up myself.
All right.
Will that be in the book?
Eventually.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, thank you very much.
I'm anxious.
Do you happen to know if and when the film will be released for us to purchase and where we can get it?
Of course.
She's referring to the video that I have.
Again, as soon as possible.
Now, I will say one thing.
In upcoming months, there are people currently working on bringing this information out to the public.
And I think we are actually going to do some presentations.
God help us.
All right.
All right.
Very good.
I'll look forward to that.
So it would be a matter of, you think, months?
Within the next few months.
Next few months.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hello there.
Hello.
Yes, hello.
OK, you have me, right?
I have you, yes.
My name is Tom.
Tom, where are you?
I'm in New York.
Uh, Poughkeepsie, all right?
Maybe you're Poughkeepsie?
Yes, I am.
Uh, well, you answered some of the questions I have here about the vital signs.
Vital signs?
Yes.
And did he take measurements?
Uh, he usually do in our top season.
All right, as you were examining this creature, what were you able to determine in the way of vital signs, if any?
As far as I was concerned, there were no vital signs.
No vital signs.
And as far as measurements go, I did measure him from head to toe.
He was 53 inches.
And I did weigh him, and it was 51 pounds.
Okay, Robert, I take it you've got all this in the book, right?
Yes, it is.
All right, good.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hi, my name's Michael from Salem, Oregon.
Hi, Mike.
And I was calling, I'm just kind of curious now, when the dog When he hit the dog, or when the dog was getting attacked by this creature, now, how is it that you were able to strike him with the stick without him getting you too?
Well, I think it might have been just luck.
Luck?
Luck.
Yeah?
I was just kind of curious about that, because, I mean, did he use some kind of a weapon on the dog?
I don't know for sure.
You don't know?
He described what was happening to the dog.
What happened to the dog was literally it imploded into itself.
As incredible as that sounds, as if you could open a drain in the side of the dog and the body literally, circularly went into that hole until there was nothing left.
Wow.
Um, AR?
Yeah?
Um, like a couple, like last week when Ed Danes was on the show, I know this is totally off the subject, but it was kind of important to me.
Um, there was a basketball game on KEX and they didn't play the first part of the show, so I missed it.
And he did the Nostradamus thing, the seventh month of 99?
Yes.
What was that he said that was coming from the sky?
Um, King of Fear.
Alright, what I recommend to you is, uh, I can't take the time right now, I'm sorry.
You'll have to go back and listen to the archive, which is on the web, and that'll fill in the blanks for you.
It would take too much time right now.
I have another guest on.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Mary from Buffalo, New York.
Hello, Mary.
Hi.
I have three revelations, very short.
Number one, the description of it appearing like a gray.
Perhaps it is like us humans here, like we have all different races.
From them being slightly different.
Some I've heard five fingers, some I've heard three fingers, or four.
So they are like us, like, they have different races on the planet.
Entirely possible.
Very possible.
Number two, the Opelisk, I thought of it as being a teleportation device from another dimension.
Exactly.
Really?
Okay, great.
I think you're closer to it than... Great.
A lot of people early on thought it was a ship, and I think we don't think it's a ship.
No, we don't.
All right, number three, having no genitals, perhaps they are cloned.
They don't have sex like we procreate.
They are cloned.
That's a possibility.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
All right, thank you.
Have a good day.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Hi.
My name is George from San Angelo, Texas.
Yes, George.
And the question I would have, other than it screaming at one time, did the creature communicate anything either verbally or telepathically to you at any time when you were trying to communicate with it?
Yes it did.
At a later time, and again it's chronicled in the book, I made an attempt to go to the garage, go to the freezer, open the door of the freezer where no sound was made, It was moving.
It actually got out of the freezer by itself, sat in front of the freezer, and took some water from a bowl with its fingers up to its mouth.
Was it a verbal communication or telepathic?
Well, I don't think there was.
There were no words communicated, but there was a scream communicated and a second scream attempted.
When I put my hands to my ears, because the scream was not a typical scream.
It was a shriek that would throw you against the wall practically.
And when the second time that started to happen, I threw my hands over my ears and yelled, No!
And it didn't make a sound.
Did you get any distinct impression or like a feeling of sorts?
Maybe it was something that may have been said or a feeling that you had?
I had a lot of feelings, and there were a lot of mixed emotions dealing with this thing.
In other words, like something maybe it was directing to you, trying to give you an impression about something?
Possibly.
Okay, and then, by the way, Art, it's very good to have you back, and thanks for the opportunity.
Okay, thank you very much for the call.
Good question.
Yeah, they were.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Gray.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Dr. Reed, where are you, sir?
Well, I'm stationed at Fort Irwin, California, which is right across the way from your heart, but right now I'm up in Castle Rock, Colorado.
Okay.
Dr. Reed, did you ever get any fluid samples from Freddy, like a blood or excrement or anything like that?
Yes, we did, and as I explained earlier, I did take that in to Do you yourself know by chance, could you compare it to our blood?
that they had never received it and they had no idea what I was talking about.
Do you yourself know by chance, could you compare it to like our blood or human blood?
The material that I took was cranial fluid which is a combination of, if it was a human,
it's a combination of water and also blood.
And that's what it looked like to me.
Now the color was a little bit lighter than the color of human blood.
A little bit more transparent.
But very similar.
So I believe that it had an oxygen based blood.
Okay.
Well I guess that about does it for me.
Alright Colin, thank you very much.
Somebody writes, I have thoroughly enjoyed all the broadcasts with Dr. Reed and Robert Raitt.
However, I have a problem with them calling the objects pictured on your site an obelisk.
The obelisk is a well-known geometric structure, the most well-known probably being the Washington Monument.
That's an obelisk.
I would think you'd more correctly call it a tetrahedron.
And that probably is true, but it's just a name that you gave it, isn't it?
Correct.
In other words, it is not a scientific conclusion, it's just what you decided to call it.
It was better than calling it a Pinto.
That's right.
The name Obelisk also gives you a feeling.
That's why it's called Obelisk.
Alright, first time on our line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Reif.
Hi, this is Ken, I'm calling from Vancouver, listening on CPUNK.
Yes, sir.
A couple of nights ago, you had James Bond, who remote-viewed the pictures and said they were hoaxes.
Yes, I wonder, Dr. Reed, if you happened to hear that?
Yes, I did, through another source.
And he talked about a black box and that he saw this picture being taken in a black box with a black background?
Yes, that's what I was told.
And the only thing I have to say to that is The negatives will stand on their own.
No matter what anybody says, I know what I saw and I know what I photographed.
It's all there.
and i don't want to throw any mud at anyone okay, yeah that's good enough
Bart, Bart?
Ed Baines claims to be always hundred percent accurate, could this be
his first on air mistake?
uh... well i don't know It depends, Caller, obviously, on what you believe.
But I'll say this much.
I'll say this much.
If we're given an opportunity to examine the negatives, I think we can conclusively decide, at least people who do that kind of work can, Whether we have the genuine thing on our hands, at least we're going to have the opportunity to examine them.
And we've got Dr. Reid, and I really appreciate your coming on the air and just sort of facing the public raw.
Thank you, Eric.
All right, here we go.
First-time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. First-time callers, area 702-727-1222.
California?
Larry, I'm going to have to bleep that out.
The only thing we don't allow on the show, basically, I have a couple of questions.
One for Mr. Race and a couple for Dr. Reed.
Mr. Race, what was your prior relationship with Dr. Reed and what do you do for a living?
Right now I'm mainly just doing this.
I have a couple of questions, one for Mr. Race and a couple for Dr. Reed.
Mr. Race, what was your prior relationship with Dr. Reed and what do you do for a living?
Right now, I'm mainly just doing this.
I'm writing.
I'm working with other people.
I'm going to be working on some other cases involving other things.
As far as prior, I didn't know Jonathan prior to any of this.
He called me.
He contacted me.
Why?
Why did he contact you?
Some individuals from, as he called them, the Alliance, referred to me because I'm right and because I am willing to give people a shot.
And Robert was an unknown target.
Okay.
Dr. Reed, I do have one additional question.
I was very curious that you had this being out sitting before you taking fluids, then how did he get back into the freezer and you lock him up again?
I actually sat there and watched him crawl back in the freezer on his own.
Good Lord.
This was a very labored being at this point.
This was no longer a fast, vibrating, stimulating type being.
This was very labored, very in distress.
Wouldn't you have tried to maybe assist him at this point and maybe warm him up or give him some other sustenance or something?
Well, I did try.
I did make attempts.
And again, those are chronicled in the book.
But it seemed to like where it was at.
I have a feeling that the cold had something to do with that.
It's really something.
I haven't heard that before.
All right.
Caller, thank you.
Thank you very much.
Right.
Take care.
Here's somebody from El Paso, Texas, sending email to me.
Would you please ask Dr. Reed if he's even speculated as to what the alien was doing in the woods in the first place?
Actually, I've done a lot of thinking about it.
But again, it would be total speculation because I have no clue.
There was no signs of any tools or digging or sampling of anything.
I thought about vegetation or plants or anything.
But the only thing I found was one small piece of hardware, which again, I had in my possession.
And it has been thrown away out of the country, no longer in my hands.
Huh.
Um, alright, um, very good, uh, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Grafe.
I can, I can, well, say it again.
Uh, this is Barry from Kansas City.
Hello, Barry.
I was, uh, wondering if Dr. Reed had encountered any, uh, distinctive odors while in the proximity of this alien?
Oh, good question.
Yes, in fact we talked about that on the last program.
People always ask, what did I smell?
What did it smell like?
It smelled to me, while I was examining it very closely, I mean I was close enough to be within a foot of the wound, it smelled like rotting fruit.
That's the best description I can give.
Okay, thanks for taking my call.
That's it, huh?
Yeah.
All right, thank you, and take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Rafe.
Hello, this is Jerry in Santa Rosa.
Oh, Jerry, you're going to have to yell at us.
Okay, is that a little better?
That's better.
I've got two questions, if that's okay.
Sure.
First, I was wondering, you know, you had mentioned, the doctor had mentioned earlier that he had His friend Gary, I believe his name was, his parents, he was still in touch with his parents.
Yes.
This would also relate to his girlfriend or the 18-year-old, whoever was involved.
There must be some other people that are wondering about their disappearance, so there should probably be a missing persons report filed with the police department, wouldn't there?
There have been.
Okay.
Are you going to include copies of that or anything in your book?
No, I'm not, because these people are innocent bystanders that are left, and my life and my significant other's life were totally torn apart because of this event.
I mean, I lost my relationship because of this event.
I lost my best friend because of this event, and I'm not going to Throw their names into the hat to again be torn apart.
You know, I kind of wish I was your friend because I'd throw my name in.
That's what I would do for a true friend of mine.
Second question I had was why do you, if you fear this whole incident, you know, you did, I did hear the first airing that you had on this and you said that you spent a lot of time dodging people that were out after you.
And you spent much time in intense fear.
In fact, you had said, why now do you want to write a book about this?
Wouldn't you just want to get away from it?
Well, I've tried to get away from it for two years, and I've learned a lot of things in those two years that I never knew before.
And I think a lot of those things that I've experienced and that I've learned, other people would like to know also.
Yeah, there's no question about that.
There will inevitably be people who will accuse you of financial motivations, and I suppose there are some.
In other words, you don't have much of a life now otherwise, do you?
That's exactly right.
And I have a right to earn a living, too, as Bob Kivia does, as Robert Rafe does, as Art Delbert does.
Right.
Right.
No, you're exactly correct.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Rafe.
Hello.
Where are you?
Portland, Oregon.
My name is Ray.
Yes, Ray.
I had a quick question.
He said that Gary disappeared, Mr. Reed.
Yes.
And your other friend, Dolly, had passed away.
Yes.
My question was, has anything happened to your immediate family or strange things?
Maybe MIBs or strange things happening to them or other family members, aunts, uncles?
Well, actually, there have been several different incidents.
But nothing with any deaths or missing people other than the two I mentioned.
And also in your first interview, you said the alien shake, was it a fast shake?
Like you couldn't even see it?
It was shaking as if the same visual shaking as a paint can in a paint shaker.
You almost can't see it, but yet you can see the outline of it.
More of a vibration than a shake almost.
Do you think the shaking was the cause of, do you think it was some type of warp or trans, in some type of deal where it made your dog do this?
I actually don't have a clue to that.
Because it never did it again.
Okay, sir.
Thank you very much.
A lot of people are concerned about your being at their surprise that you were able to strike the alien.
After its movement, it's in the middle of an encounter with a dog, and here you were able to walk up to it and hit it.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Well, the only thing I can say, and people tend to forget, that in describing the story, which is In great detail, we've done again.
It takes a long time to set the scene so people can understand what happened.
But in truth, the whole event took place in 15 to 20 seconds.
Right.
From seeing the being with my dog, destroying the dog, and lunging forward and striking it.
You're right.
People get it out of perspective.
They listen to it over a period of hours, and I guess you tend to think, How do you know?
The guy had lots of time to think.
Well, he didn't.
15 to 20 seconds for the whole thing from the time he came over the hill.
Exactly.
All right.
East of the Rockies.
You're on there with Dr. Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Yes.
Hello.
My name's Frank.
I'm calling from Niagara Falls, New York.
Hello, Frank.
How are you doing?
Fine.
One question.
I seem to notice that the story remains fairly consistent between the interviews.
The only question that I had was concerning the visit to his house.
His house was ransacked and the evidence was taken.
The first time he mentioned that he drove by and actually saw the vans and people carrying stuff.
This time he said that it was the neighbors that he saw.
He didn't say that he had directly witnessed it.
I wonder if he could comment on that.
Okay, Doctor?
That was in reference to the question that was asked whether the neighbors had seen anything.
And yes, they had seen the vans also.
Did you see them yourself?
Yes, I did.
I drove right by them.
How many of them were there?
Three.
three and uh... how abruptly how many individuals uh... what i thought i was probably between
eighty four and six at the most but i was driving by a pretty good clip
i can understand that where they were they dressed in any sort of manner that
they have to founder now available right basically like moving them
okay all really Like moving, man.
That's very interesting.
All right, Caller.
Like a jumpsuit.
Yeah, I've got you.
All right, Caller.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
And take care.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Ray.
Hi.
Good evening, Art.
Good evening, Dr. Reed.
Hello.
This is Elizabeth from Kenai Peninsula, Alaska.
Beautiful part of the country.
I'm sorry?
It's a beautiful part of the country.
Yes, and we have about six feet of snow on the ground right now.
And another storm came through last night, so I have to dig out before I get to go anywhere.
My question is, I was wondering, I've heard about, you know, your concerns as far as the government is obviously getting into your business here.
Have you tried contacting any of the, say, congressmen or officials who are interested in exposing this and have had difficulty on their own doing so?
Such as Whitley Striever is mentioned in his books.
Well, politics is a very different type of bedfellow.
Everybody seems to have an agenda of their own.
And again, in the book, we do talk about different sources that we went through and did talk to.
But basically, what would happen is we would not get the time of day.
Even from the ones who have expressed interest previously?
We may not have hit on those at that time.
Okay, well that was my question.
Thank you.
Well, there you go.
You've got your answer.
Thank you very much.
Jonathan didn't have a list of interested congressmen.
I wish I did.
When he was going out and talking to these people, and even those that are interested, there's still, you know, there's a gray area there.
Sure.
Sure.
No, I can easily understand that.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert Wraith and Dr. Jonathan Reed.
Yes, good evening.
This is Frank calling from New York City.
Hi, Frank.
Hi.
My question is, I want to know, do you know what the, do you have any idea possibly what the government, or whoever these people are that retrieved, who took the bean from your premises, what they may be doing or storing?
Well, first of all, I don't know that in fact they did take him.
I know that when I Returned to my house that the freezer and and Freddy were gone Now I can't prove that they did it.
I never saw them carry the freezer, you know to their van But all I know is what I saw when I drove by and what I saw when I went back Do I know what they're doing with him?
I don't know that they still have him, but I also don't know that they don't But I do know that there is a lot of material that Out in this world that people don't want you to know about.
And pretty soon, a lot of it's going to be coming out.
And my other question, do you think it's one particular organization holding this material, or is it many organizations, do you think, holding these different materials?
By what I have determined, I think it's a joint program of many, many different sources.
Thank you very much.
All right, sir.
Thank you very much for the call.
Time is short, I'm afraid.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Jonathan Reed and Robert Rafe.
Dr. Reed?
Yes.
I would like to know a little about your background, where you went to school, and what kind of degrees you have.
Well, at this time, all that information is in the book, but we're also trying to protect other family members.
How long did you go to school, approximately?
that is portrayed in the book to give you the answers you need.
So you've been published and you've written papers and that sort of thing?
Yes, I have.
How long did you go to school, approximately?
Seven years.
Are you talking about college?
Yes.
Well, I'm sorry, but I have to vote a vote of skepticism.
Fine.
Your story sounds real good, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Thank you.
All right, thank you for the call.
And that really is fine.
There are a lot of people, obviously, who are going to be skeptical.
And perhaps that is as it should be.
In other words, had I not experienced seeing a craft close up, I would be skeptical of many reports of, you know, crap that have been seen that were as close as mine.
I'd be skeptical.
It's a healthy thing to be skeptical.
Is there anything that either one of you wanted to get out tonight, Robert, that we haven't managed to get out?
Well, let's see.
D-R-R-E-E-D-L-I-N-K at AOL.com.
You guys are going to have a lot of fun answering a lot of emails.
Oh, yeah.
It's a San Diego UFO Society and their phone number is 1-619-299-9157.
What part have they played in this?
They've done a clearing house for a lot of our sources to try to get this information out.
Okay, that's the San Diego UFO Society at area code 619.
299-9157.
When did you go to them, Doctor?
We went to them through another source, and that source is Chris Fine, who has helped us direct getting some of this information out.
That's a source in San Diego.
I see.
Their mailing address is PO Box 34351, San Diego, California.
9-2-1-0-3.
9-2-1-0-3.
Better do that again.
The San Diego UFO Society.
P.O.
Box.
P.O.
Box.
3-4-3-5-1.
Right.
San Diego, California, 9-2-1-0-3.
And what would they, if somebody were to write to them, what would one expect?
Well, they can write about inquiries.
They can write about help.
Help us getting this information out.
I'm willing to talk to literary agents and or publishers and or printers to get this out.
You'll get plenty of that now.
There's a lot of information here.
This isn't about just the photographs.
This is about getting the information out.
letting people decide for themselves you know by by reading the story by listening
to you art who have given us a wonderful forum
to get some of this information out well i felt that it was important to have you uh... two on
one last time face the audience and ask uh... answer the tough questions
and uh... so that's what we have done
Thank you, Art, and thank you very much.
And we certainly appreciate your audience.
Good night, and to both of you, be safe.
Thank you, sir.
Take care.
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year to you, too.
And so there you have it, folks.
That's it.
You've just heard the story again, and you've heard kind of a grilling of Dr. Reed throughout the night, and I don't know what else I can do.
That's what a forum like this should do.
And so I thought, one more night, mainly with phone calls, was in order, and I think it was.
So, as usual, I leave it to you.
Look at the photographs.
They're on my website at www.artbell.com.
Send email to Dr. Reed.
Consider the story.
And make up your own mind.
You're adults.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
Good night!
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