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Dec. 4, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gary North - Y2k. Richard Hoagland - Mars Landing Update
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This is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell.
Back from Vancouver, B.C.
Where I shot an episode of Millennium.
The TV series Millennium.
And I would like to profusely apologize to all the professionals.
At that television show, they are definitely professionals.
And I'm a rank amateur.
I'm a radio guy, not a TV guy.
It was a lot of fun, but it was a lot of work and I learned that you have to spend more time memorizing lines when you have eight pages.
Oh man, it was really something else.
It's going to be quite an episode.
It's going to be a really good episode.
It's going to air January 22nd and I'm not going to tell you anything about it except to tell you I will get some photographs up over the weekend of my experience in Vancouver.
Ramona and I, Ramona and I went up and She helped a great deal and everybody up there was extremely nice and extremely patient and extremely understanding of a non-TV type person.
I'll tell you what, television is one different animal.
It really is a different animal and it takes a lot of hours to do a few minutes.
That's just the way it is.
But it was fun, it was cool because I got to play myself.
You know, I got to play me.
Which shouldn't have been hard.
You know, it shouldn't have been hard.
I should have been able to play me.
But it's so different.
Here, in my little studio, I have just me.
Which I like.
And you.
And I think of you as one.
But on a television set, why, I'll tell you, things change a little bit and there's people everywhere.
There's cameras and gimbals and it sounds like they're ready to launch a space shuttle around you, you know?
And so it's just, it's very different.
It's a very different medium.
And I was born for radio and I've got a good face for radio.
I've been told that before.
But it should be, nevertheless, a rather interesting episode indeed.
So you might mark it on your calendar.
January 22nd.
Millennium.
With Art Bell.
That's right, Bill.
So again, um, my sincere apologies to all the professionals up there who were so nice and put up with me screwing up so much.
Now, tonight, Gary North and Y2K, the vindicated Gary North, I might add, and Y2K.
And I say, I use the word vindicated because of the 60 Minutes piece, of course, on Y2K, which I must say was rather sobering.
And really, they touched on just about everything Gary North has touched on.
Tonight, we're going to get to a Y2K update.
We're going to also arrange for Gary to be here on a somewhat regular basis as we approach the millennium.
All right.
In a moment, we're going to get there.
You know, I don't know if you're on the Internet, But there have been flashing messages all over the world.
And it all has to do, again, with Phoenix, Arizona.
And the date of July 6th or July 7th.
And something's gonna happen there.
I don't... I've got a little bit of an update for you.
I've got Richard C. Holland on the line.
We're gonna bring him up for a quick update.
But I've got an email here that...
Kind of brought me up short when I read it.
I think it'll bring you up short when you hear it.
I have no way of knowing if it's true.
I was unable to confirm it before air time.
So I'm gonna read it as is, and then we're gonna get comments from Richard in a moment.
Huh.
Okay.
Um, let me just read this to you as I have it, alright?
I have come across some information art from an unlikely source, the FAA.
It can be verified by calling the FAA Phoenix Flight Service, and they provide a number here, and I called it, and it was no answer at this time of night.
First, I was prompted by this message, he goes on.
Hey, I just heard the other day from an FAA briefing that temporary, get this now, temporary flight restrictions will be in effect over a large area of central Arizona starting December 5th or 6th from the surface on up.
Has anyone verified that?
If it is true, maybe something is going to go down in Arizona somewhere on December 6th or 7th.
So, I checked it out, says the person who wrote this, Les, and I found that, yes indeed, there is a NOTAM, N-O-T-A-M, that's Notices to Airmen, which repeats pretty much what was stated above.
There will be a flight restriction from the ground up over a large part of Arizona around Hoagland's date.
And then Richard taxed me and said, We have news on, in quotes, the landing.
It may not be a landing, I don't know what it is, but we do need to do an update tonight, and so we shall.
Richard, welcome to the program.
Good evening, Art, and welcome back.
Thank you, and you are, I take it, still in Washington State somewhere?
Yes, and it has nothing to do, it's going to go on in the southwest.
I have some very important stuff I'm doing.
Up here, which we'll talk about on your show later.
How can we actually believe that?
Because you're out of dodge at exactly the right time.
Well, you'll just have to believe me.
Right.
Okay.
Anyway.
The news I have is we've had another leak.
And this connects to a remarkable year and a half long saga which has been going on with the feds involved north of Phoenix for the last, as I said, year and a half involving the BATF and a rather remarkable soap opera in New River, which is a community up against the mountains north of Phoenix.
There is, as you know, I talked to you about the coordinates of this so-called landing early on, right?
So-called landing is important.
We don't really know what's going to happen.
No, we do not.
We are merely reporting.
And this is what I want everyone to understand.
You know, I haven't said exactly what's going to go down.
What I've tried to do is to put, as I say, connect the dots.
Sure.
Put the dots together.
Right.
And to project out certain scenarios.
It's up tonight to people to make up their own minds.
To use that thing we're called, you know, free will.
And to decide if they want to pursue this, and I'm going to make a recommendation.
I'm going to give out the coordinates of where we were told something was going to occur.
Oh, really?
And if people want to show up, given the proviso that maybe it will not be healthy.
I really do not want a scene out of Independence Day.
I was about to ask about that.
Absolutely, but you know, your audience are adults.
I've already had a couple of people on the ground in the place I'm going to name in a minute.
Who have, you know, emailed us, faxed us, who are going to be there with cameras, who wanted to get in touch, who had figured out a major part of the puzzle, given the symbolic keys that we've been talking about for the last couple of weeks.
All right.
This is intensely symbolic.
First of all, for starters, remember we had from Cullen that NASA was near bringing NASA with December 7th.
Well, the shuttle was supposed to go up, you know, two nights ago.
With a piece of hardware for the beginning of the space station.
That's correct.
Lo and behold... Six seconds before... With a... No, it's two seconds, sorry.
It was an incredibly tiny error and they stopped.
When you think of how much money they spent to stop and recycle... Sure.
I mean, didn't anybody ever hear of fuel reserves?
The whole reason for the tight window was to do something called a plane maneuver, to get in-plane.
There are reserves.
They could have launched.
They did not.
The reason they didn't is the stars weren't right.
The symbology pattern... Well, let me tell you what NASA said.
NASA didn't say that.
NASA said that the item they were carrying to connect with a Russian item was so heavy...
That they had a small window with regard to fuel weight ratio.
There are always reserves.
And this afternoon, one of the key flight people, one of the project directors, admitted to a reporter that they are fat on fuel.
They have overwhelming margins.
Because what they're going to do is boost these spacecraft into a high orbit.
Yes.
Turns out they have too much fuel.
They put it in the orbit that they could achieve, it won't come down because of air drag for the next rendezvous.
So, what is a mother to believe?
It's called follow the numbers.
Anyway, by slipping the launch a day, the first of three six-hour spacewalks, We'll begin on Monday, the 7th, to hook this up.
And we said in one of our detailed web postings, which you should go and look at at www.enterprisemission.com, we're doing a kind of a running chronology of the things we've figured out and the things we're projecting.
We have decoded DOOR.
Turns out that Paul Doerr's message, his last swan song, was wonderfully, intensely, triplicately coded.
It was actually a coded message.
A coded message, which we put on the web.
Go read Decoding Doerr.
Actually, I call it The Art of Talking in Code.
The Art of Talking in Code.
You can get to that, of course, by going to my website.
Go down, just link to Richard's Enterprise.com and over you will go.
And so the results of the decoding of the final Dora Messenger there?
Yep.
What roughly does it say?
Well, it roughly says that the British intelligence people overheard this something major going down.
About June of last year.
Or June of this year, I'm sorry.
Right.
And it took them until October to figure out what to do to basically blow the lid.
Because they disagreed with their American counterparts, the NSA.
Something major.
Something of import.
Something that you, in fact, said the night we did one of the shows.
Remember how you called it a Trojan horse?
Yes.
Well, that's what it appears to be.
Something that will look like one thing, but in fact is another.
Another.
Well... Now, the coordinates of where this something is going to take place... I was given 30 miles due west of Payson, Arizona, on a mountaintop called Turret Mountain.
Look at any random county map.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Uh, three miles west of Payson, Arizona.
On what mountain?
Turret Mountain, like a tank turret.
Turret.
T-U-R-R-E-T-T.
Okay, Turret Mountain.
Turret Mountain.
Right.
There has been reports via fax and email from various correspondents, including people talking to Peter Gersten, who's been doing a yeoman service in this.
Oh, I know he has.
He's been all over it.
We have our, basically, intelligence network out there through a lot of people doing a lot of volunteer stuff.
There has been very interesting military activity in the last 24 hours around Payson.
Yeah, I'm getting the same messages.
Now, the only person I told... Well, I told two people.
I told Frances Barwood because she and her husband actually arranged for a plane flight to do early reconnaissance.
Really?
Yep.
And Frances deserves, you know, great credit in this because she's been keeping on it, keeping people alerted, you know, keeping the network going.
And Peter Gersten spent quite a bit of money renting airtime on airplanes to fly over various sites with their reports.
Yeah, I know.
Peter Gersten, who is usually a very reserved Reporter of things of this sort, but even skeptical at times, has been all over this December 7th thing.
Because Peter can see a pattern.
Look, lawyers see patterns, sometimes before the rest of us.
And Peter, you know, his sixth sense is saying there's something going on here.
Remember how you said, even when it turned out to be, quote, a hoax, you know, the door part, you said there's something here.
Well, there is something.
Yeah, I've always said that.
The site is Turret Mountain, 30 miles due west of Payson.
It's east of Route 17, which is the North-South Central Highway.
The reason that you said it was so cute the night we talked about this... Yes.
...is it is an exact dead geometric center of the state of Arizona.
If you drew an X axis and a Y axis and put the X right in the middle of the state... That's where you'd be, isn't it?
That's where it is.
So, someone is saying Arizona.
Now, why Arizona?
Remember I brought our crew and we did a simulcast between your show and the Civic Center and the Internet and all that.
Yes, yes.
About a year and a half ago.
Something about the history of Phoenix.
The Phoenix lights, the Masonic connections, the symbology going all the way to President Ulysses S. Grant.
Sure.
There's something about Phoenix.
Well, the thing that I have suspected for a long time is that the current Phoenix is sitting on top of an ancient, ancient Phoenix.
Which in fact may go back 200, 300,000 years to when Cydonia was inhabited.
And that somewhere under Phoenix, I believe now north of Phoenix, there is what we would call maybe a time capsule or a set of ruins or something.
And that because of this weirdness in New River for the last year, year and a half, the Feds have been doing some remarkable underground tunneling.
Using a whole legal thing with a former BATF agent and all of the, you know, explosives and dangerous chemicals and all that to keep people away.
They have built a wall around this guy's property.
They will shoot you if you try to look over that wall.
Doing something, and I've had sources who say they're looking underground for something.
Well, I had a source this week, another source completely separate, who sent me the most remarkable detailed plans for underground tunneling.
Connected via a code to Phoenix.
When you put all the dots together, Art, I think that they have found something.
An archive, a time capsule, whatever.
You know, think of it as a kind of American counterpart to the Hall of Records, maybe?
Sure.
And that on the 7th, on this 19.5 date, while the guys are in orbit putting Unity together, Yes.
there is going to be something that goes on under Turret Mountain.
In a tunnel that they have dug to find this thing, and that maybe somebody is coming to rendezvous with what they're doing.
That is merely a scenario.
I do not give it any credence, but I also think that we can't rule it out unless we have ground observers willing to take video cameras and go and sit there and see what happens.
And again, due warning, this may be hazardous to your health.
Or even life-threatening, if you remember Independence Day.
Yep.
If that really occurred.
Now, alright, um... Now, the FAA warning is fascinating.
Because it does not close off the airspace of a major state.
I don't know that it's real.
Well, the fact that we have a number, which means we can call.
We'll know certainly by Monday.
We know that the stars are right.
Mike and I have done the calculations with Redshift.
The stars are right for the landing site.
E.Q.
Pegg.
The thing that started all this?
Yes.
Will be exactly on the eastern horizon at noon on the 7th from the, quote, landing site.
You've got to admit it.
I admit it's intriguing.
Well, that's what puzzles are.
I mean, this is kind of like an X-Files for real.
Or like a Millennium.
For real, I don't know.
And what you've got to do is simply follow the dots and don't jump to conclusions.
And if nothing happens, boys and girls, It doesn't mean that we're wrong.
It means that something happened that we are not privy to.
Remember, in the game of symbology, dropping a fork can mean everything.
Well, then you've also got to imagine the possibility that you're calling out exactly where this is going to occur, assuming that you're correct, could cause...
Alternative plans to be put in place, and that might not happen soon.
That's exactly the possibility, and that's the risk that we run.
But look at this.
We know the New River said thing has been going on for a year and a half.
They let the guy out of jail, but they're not going to talk to him until January.
They have confiscated his property.
He can't get in.
But he's out now, on the loose.
They won't talk to him until January.
It's the longest occupation By the feds of any compound privately seized in the history of this republic.
What are they looking for?
I want to know too.
And Monday night, I will have an hour available at the beginning of the program.
It's going to be a big program Monday.
But trust me Richard, if something happens, you'll be here.
Route 17, right?
Yep.
Alright, thank you my friend.
We'll be watching.
And good night.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned is right.
All right.
There you have it.
We all should stay tuned.
Everybody's been talking about the 6th or 7th of December in Arizona.
So now you know what we know, which isn't much, but it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
As Richard said, you are adults.
Take the information I've just given you and do with it what you will, but be cautious.
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This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye with Art Bell.
Well, this is certainly sweet.
I seem to have tangled myself up in my own headset here.
I'm sure they've all bent over in a weird way.
Good morning, everybody, and welcome!
It's good to be here, and I'm going to take a moment to get myself untangled, and we'll be right back.
Otherwise, in the news.
Clinton lawyers ready defense.
House Republicans are readying the articles of impeachment against the press, as White House I sought several days of hearings next week to mount a final defense.
White House attorneys informed the committee it was essential to the President's defense that they be able to call several panels of witnesses, including one to discuss alleged prosecutorial misconduct.
The charges being drafted by the committee staff members, alleged perjury, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, And so forth, so we'll see.
An autopsy shows the escaped Texas death row inmate apparently drowned.
That's what they're saying, that he drowned.
They found him by a river.
In fact, they're saying he did drown.
In this hour's news, the Associated Press is reporting the following.
Warm weather across North America is stretching up into the East Arctic, bringing record temperatures to Canada's Northwest Territories.
At the very tip of the bay on Baffin Island's east coast, the temperature was a record 37 degrees Fahrenheit today.
The city's normal average temperature for this day is 3 degrees below zero.
Isn't that interesting?
Monday we are going to have a very special program.
Let me read this to you, alright?
It's just kind of a little teaser.
There appeared to be new majestic documents.
A letter is from John F. Kennedy to the CIA requesting of all things complete disclosure of MJ-12 operations.
Also documents describing in detail the crash site, including propulsion system inside of ship, controls, all the rest of it.
If these are not era authentic, someone went through a very good amount of trouble making them.
Now, these documents, ladies and gentlemen, have been the subject of a great deal of work.
By a lot of people for a long time, very secretly, very quietly, and I am going to have, Monday, the people involved, Dr. Robert M. Wood, who, by the way, has an aeronautical engineering degree from the University of Colorado, PhD in physics, from Cornell.
His son, who is also involved, They're writing a book entitled The Secret.
Evidence that we are not alone.
Evidence that we are not alone.
Linda Moulton Howe will bring these two on the air Monday.
And in the third hour, we'll be joined by Whitley Streber.
This is going to be a very, very serious program.
Rumors of these documents, and the research done on them, Has been spreading like wildfire in the last couple of days across the internet.
And I can tell you that the, while not all the specific details may be true, certainly the basic premise is true.
There are new documents and we are going to have the people who know all about them here on Monday.
Just thought you would want to know.
Tuesday, Dr. Albert Taylor will talk to us about OBEs.
Been looking forward to having Dr. Taylor back, and I imagine you have as well.
So that kind of gives you an idea of what's coming up shortly.
Now tonight, of course, Gary North.
I say again, the vindicated Gary North.
And why do I say vindicated?
Because I would say the majority of what Gary North said Was said by none other than 60 Minutes.
And just about every area covered was covered by 60 Minutes.
Now, they of course had a couple of opposing views on there.
But in general, I think it can be said that 60 Minutes pretty well vindicated Gary North up one side and down the other.
So that's where we're going at the beginning of the next hour.
The subject Y2K, it will affect you, and the clock, my friend, is ticking.
Alright.
Mr. The Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
Hi there.
Welcome back.
Thank you.
I can't wait to see you on Millennium.
I'll tell you what, we gave up on that show a year ago, but now we have to watch this one.
All right, good.
If you get a chance, could you ask Mr. North about this 30-second clip that we saw on Brokaw the other night about how the Pentagon somehow falsified some sort of records about the nuclear missiles being Y2K compliant?
Well, I didn't specifically hear that.
What I heard I didn't hear about the falsification.
I'm not saying they didn't report that, but I heard that what had been reported from the Pentagon about Y2K readiness is a bunch of baloney.
Yeah, I'm sure it is.
And they're not all that ready at all.
So you yell, you bet I'll ask them, sure I'll ask them.
Yeah, you know, he was on there for like, I don't know, 15 seconds.
He just said something about they had caught somebody falsifying reports that his missile setup was Compliant and here it turns out.
It's not it's like excuse me.
What about the consequences of this?
A lot of people who think things are compliant are now quickly finding out.
They're not compliant It sure is funny because even in our local papers and stuff.
There's stuff in there probably twice a week now It's like you know listen to art for the last year.
I've already known about this You know where were you people now all of a sudden?
It's in the news and I know I listen I get called and All kinds of names for doing the things I do.
You're the only source of the truth, Art.
You are it.
We watch the news, really, for laughs.
Well, they still get to call me names, but that's all right.
I don't care.
I will continue doing what I do, and that is bringing you news out on the edge that inevitably, six months, a year, or more later, there it is in the mainstream news.
Appreciate the call, ma'am.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I will ask Gary about that, of course.
On my international line, you are on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello there.
It's Art?
Yes.
Hi, Art.
Actually, it's a little off topic tonight.
What topic?
We don't have a topic.
You don't?
Okay.
I thought you were talking with the Y2K there.
Well, we will be in the next hour, I guess.
Okay.
But anyhow, what I wanted to know is if you guys have a show coming up on astral projection.
Tuesday, Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, Dr. Albert Taylor.
Okay.
Where are you by the way?
Saskatoon.
Saskatoon, alright.
Yeah, Tuesday night.
Tuesday night.
Okay, I'll be listening, Arne.
Thanks a lot.
Alright, you're welcome.
Call the wildcard lines, area 702-727-1295.
Woo!
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hi Arne, how you doing?
I'm just fine.
I was wondering what you really, really, really thought about Gary North, and if you really think that the computers are all going to fail.
No, I don't think they're all going to fail.
You really don't?
No, I don't.
But if you listened to 60 Minutes, what they said was even if only 10%, if 90% compliance is achieved in the U.S.
and only 10% don't work, we have a disaster.
Worldwide?
That's what I think.
Worldwide, worldwide.
It's going to be worse than it is here.
Really?
Yes.
Did you not watch the program?
I'm sorry Art, I didn't.
So the answer is, Do I think they're all going to fail?
No, hell no.
So what do you think the worst is going to be?
If you listen tonight, I think you'll find out.
I'm waiting.
I listen to you through Netscape on, like, real audio.
Yes.
And I have to wait, like, sometimes I have to wait, like, the next day and listen to it, but I'm listening to you live right now.
OK, where are you?
Right now?
I'm on Long Island in New York.
Long Island.
All right.
And I'm also sitting in the grassy knoll right now.
The grassy knoll.
That's a great name for a chat room, isn't it?
It's awesome!
This is the best chat room on America Online.
Alright, thank you very much.
Maybe I'll drop in there later and say hello.
You can go to, if you're on AOL, go to the keyword and type in Art Bell, my name, and it will take you to the Periscope area of AOL, and in that area you will find The Grassy Knoll.
And the Grassy Knoll, just click on that and you'll go there and you can chat with a whole bunch of people that are now, no doubt, talking about this program and other stuff.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello.
Yeah, hi.
Turn your radio off, please.
Okay, hold on there.
I'll hold on.
If I were to guess on this accent, I'd say it's coming from Boston or the environs of Boston.
Let's find out.
Where are you, sir?
Well, I've been trying for months to get a hold of you.
How are you doing?
I'm fine.
Where are you?
I'm out in New Hampshire.
I have to stay up right through the morning hours to listen to your show, but it's a very good show.
Thank you.
I'm very interested in the Y2K.
In fact, the whole family is preparing.
Good for you.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the show tonight.
Um, I was, uh, uh, mixed up there on, uh, uh, the earlier thing about Arizona.
Now, there was talk of December 6th or 5th, but there was also talk of something, uh, June 6th?
You know, it was pretty much, uh, December 6th or 7th, actually.
Okay.
There's something, and nobody really quite knows what is going to happen or may happen.
You know, it's one of those things that maybe it got started, and it just snowballed, and maybe there's nothing to it, Well, I was quite devastated there when you went off the air, and I happened to get a hold of a woman that lives right near town.
Her name is Mary, and she, you know, had quite a bit to say.
In fact, she sent me an article, and I'm sure she's listening tonight, so... Hello, Mary!
Yeah, she's very helpful.
Hey, Art, when you had gone to Africa, there was a repeat show.
Something about out here in East Coast, Salisbury Beach, there was a photo of a UFO.
Do you remember anything about that?
Vaguely.
I have put up so many photographs.
We have an archive of photographs on my website, and so if I did put it there, it's still there.
Yeah, because I've had a sighting out here, and in fact, it may be a UFO magazine and such.
Oh, really?
Yeah, because I'm out here in Exeter, which is a very famous Well, I said that at the beginning of the program.
I didn't catch the beginning.
right and also um anything there should be archived and should still be there so do a search
yes all right all right thank you uh very much for the call and have a good morning wild card
line you're on the air hi yeah this is lou and command child hello how'd you do on your thing
with millennium well i i said that at the beginning of the program okay i didn't catch the beginning
um it was hard work i imagine The reason I'm calling is I listened to the show with Bob Lazar.
Yes.
And it was excellent.
I'd heard it before, but I kept it this time.
Good for you.
And what I'm asking is if Stan Dale in Arizona did get together with Bob Lazar.
Well, Stan Dale's in Australia, sir.
Australia, I mean.
Did he get together with Bob Lazar?
Yeah, like you had suggested.
Not to my knowledge, not yet.
I think Stan... I think Stan is coming to the States soon.
Uh-huh.
So I would imagine that would occur at that point.
Okay, well, I tell you what, if you get them two together and get them on your program, I think it'd be a hell of a show.
It would be.
It is, after all, the other side of the world, so... Yeah.
Even if Stan remains there, I could get them together.
I have that ability, you know.
Okay.
Well, I'll tell you what, I'll keep listening.
You've got a great show there.
Okay, my friend.
Thank you.
Eastern Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
This is Eric from Houston.
Listening to RH-740 AM.
The monster.
The news station.
You bet.
Sir, you know, I know how much you love TV, doing TV.
You know, I'd love to see you do an episode of News Radio.
I like it about the way I like The Dentist.
It's really like going to the dentist.
I know, but you know, they have a character who's actually the station electrician on that show, and he's always going on about pyramids on Mars, the 33 degree masons and everything, and he's obviously an Art Bell listener.
Really?
So anyway, I'll get in touch with them, because quite frankly, they need you more than you need them.
Well, please.
I'm on another TV hiatus.
I'm telling you, I worked myself to the bone.
I worked myself to the bone.
Those guys are so professional and I'm such a rank amateur at television.
I could spend a lot of time grieving about this on the air, but it will be on November 22nd.
You mean January.
I'm sorry, January 22nd.
Thank you.
January 22nd.
I'll be watching.
All right.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Take care.
November 22nd.
Subject time travel.
Once to the Rockies.
You're on the air.
Hi.
Yeah, Art Bell.
I can barely hear you.
Yeah, Art Bell.
That's me.
Yeah, I tried to get ahold of you the other night about a theory I had on time travel.
Oh, really?
Yeah, you know, you guys have been sending out messages into space for, you know, quite a few years.
And, uh... You guys?
Well, you know, as far as radio announcers and TV and everything like that.
I've been doing it for 14 years straight on this program alone.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've been listening since the other radio station here in Phoenix.
But, uh, I look at it as, uh... I know I'm a little on the nervous side.
Well, you've got to spit it out fast, because I'm telling you.
Anyway, you have a situation where you have people that have certain middle work.
Yes.
Sir, we're not going to make it.
We're not going to make it.
I'm sorry.
as far as to be able to reach time travel?
Yes.
You have to be able to reach the speed of light?
Yes.
Okay, now you have other people that, you know, we don't know what time travel is, and
you never know that the speed, you know, might reach the speed of light.
Sir, we're not going to make it.
We're not going to make it.
I'm sorry.
It sounds interesting.
Teeth and time travel.
We'll have to pick up on that later.
We're going to break here.
When we come back, it'll be Gary North and Y2KB vindicated Gary North.
Can't stay alive without your love, oh baby.
So you're listening to the Fast Stuff Coastal Club.
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Good morning.
I'm Art Bell.
is an encore presentation with Art Bell and his guest Gary North on Y2K.
This program was originally recorded on Friday night December 4th of this year.
And now the best of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
It certainly is. Good morning. I'm Art Bell.
It was quite some time ago now that I began to do programs on something called Y2K.
And a lot of people kind of shrugged and went, huh?
Art Bell with his usual craziness.
My usual craziness, by the way, is generally six months to a year ahead of the mainstream press when it is no longer craziness.
I had Gary North on, I had Ed Jordan, I've had a variety of other guests on, but the man who nailed it early, nailed it right on the money, and was absolutely vindicated a couple of Sundays ago when 60 Minutes, as their lead piece, said just about every damn thing that Gary North said.
With regard to Y2K, so a lot of people who obviously were not paying attention before, except the informed, those of you out there who listen to this program, suddenly began to pay attention.
And they were brought up kind of short, very quickly.
And I think it scared a lot of people, and for good cause.
So, tonight, Gary North is back.
As a matter of fact, I'm really talking to Gary about sort of doing a monthly Y2K program as we head into 99 toward 2000.
It is going to be a very interesting year.
I know a lot of you have been waiting for this, so in a couple of moments, Gary North is back And yes, we'll talk again about Y2K.
The clock.
She's a tickin'.
If you own a... Well, it will be costly.
It may cause a global depression.
It may cause your lights to go out.
There may not be any food on the grocery store shelves.
And the government may respond with a form of techno-fascism.
Those are just some of the conclusions of a team of researchers commissioned to investigate the potential problems associated with the Y2K Millennium Bug.
A man who has been on this for a long time now is Gary North.
And I know a lot of you have been waiting a long time to hear from him again.
Here he is.
Gary, welcome back to the program.
Thanks, Art.
I'm glad to be here.
I wonder how you felt when you saw that program run on 60 Minutes a couple Sundays ago.
I've said that my goal on December 31st of 1999 is to be mainstream on Y2K.
And that doesn't mean I'm going to move more to the position that most of the mainstream
press holds now, but I really do think that the press generally will have to move closer
to my position.
So, I'm going to have to move more to the position that most of the mainstream press
So the fact that the mainstream press to some limited degree is beginning to acknowledge the problem, I think that is predictable, was predictable, because the problem simply won't go away.
I have, I've been getting It's thousands of letters.
People, now that they're beginning to realize this is real, are writing to their insurance carriers.
Their insurance carriers are writing to them sometimes, unsolicited, by the way, in Canada, particularly in Canada, saying, listen, we will not cover any Y2K-associated claim.
You might as well know that right now, period.
They're simply disassociating themselves with the whole problem.
And there's a good reason why.
Even on 60 Minutes, I forget who it was who said it, but it will be the biggest matter of litigation for all of mankind's years.
Assuming that it does not break the system.
That is to say that it doesn't actually break the communication system and the court system.
The potential for massive litigation is there.
My personal opinion on that part is that it is so huge, so gigantic in terms of the potential claims just in the United States, that I think that the government will have to intervene one way or the other.
And create some sort of status quo anti-legislation as it's doing for itself.
Nevada was the first state to do it.
Others have followed suit saying you can't sue us for Y2K related breakdowns.
The states and the federal government, you can be sure, will not allow lawsuits against them related to Y2K.
And my feeling is the litigation will be so horrendously large that it's going to jam up the court system almost to the breaking point.
So what I would expect to see at some point in the year 2000 would be legislation passed by the states and by the federal government which will decidedly limit the extent of the litigation simply to save the court system.
But if they don't do that, Yes, the potential is just awesome.
Alright, for a few moments, let us assume there are neophytes out there.
There really are.
I'm sure there are.
After that program, what is Y2K?
First my disclaimer that I've given in the previous segments and that is I am not a programmer or engineer.
My background is history and social theory and I have been on this for about two and a half years.
Now, getting to about 40 to 50 hours a week just on this topic, plus my other writing and work, so my knowledge is not what I would call technically precise.
That's why I'm glad to hear from technicians who call in.
But in terms of watching the systemic nature of this thing unfold, I do have expertise in that area just because I've spent so much time on it.
Now, what is it?
Basically it boils down to a mistake. I think probably the most curious
catastrophic mistake in the history of man And that mistake was not to put all four digits of the
century into the original programming of the mainframe computers
that instead of putting 1958 they put 58
Instead of putting 1964 they put Right.
And the difficulty is when you go from 1999 to the year 2000, unless programmed otherwise, mainframe computers will assume that the 1 and the 9 precede the two 0s.
At that point, the calculations become disrupted.
We actually went back to the computer punch card days.
I think a lot of people about my age would remember the punch cards, the IBM computer punch cards.
And they had a very limited amount of data that could be stored on them.
80 characters.
80 characters.
Anyway, so it's obvious at that point why they did it.
However, somehow, As computers got better, and the amount of data that could be stored increased, an obvious question is, why the hell didn't they fix it?
In other words, the minute they got double or triple or quadruple or a hundred times the amount of data, why at that point didn't they fix it?
Part of it's tradition.
Particular way we usually say I graduated in the class of 87 or the class of 62 You know whatever I'm in the class of 65.
We don't think 1965 second a committee international committee was set up in 1961 to decide whether they should convert it to four digits and that committee in classic committee style took 11 years to And when it was over, it said, you can go either way.
Now, in the meantime, the Pentagon in 1967 got tired of waiting.
And so they determined, as a matter of policy, that with contractors, subcontractors, anybody they were doing business with, that to integrate with the Pentagon's computers, they would have to go to two digits.
That pretty well locked it in.
And then we get to the problem of backward compatibility.
It's just the same reason why, if I have DOS, that I can convert my files up to a Windows-based program.
because nobody wants to lose all the data that are stored in the computers.
That's correct.
So built into the system was basically succession or some system of linear survival.
And all those guys who said in 1960 and 1970, none of these computers will be up,
none of these programs will still be working, forgot about the reality, the economic reality of backward
compatibility.
They can't shift it without reprogramming the systems, and so about 1995, 96, Sometimes 97, sometimes this month in some cases, they're beginning to correct the programs.
So, it perpetuated itself.
Yes.
All right, that's imaginable.
The 60s, the 70s, but then there were the 80s, and now the 90s, and surely as we began to get closer, more and more programmers Absolutely knew what was going to happen.
They had to know.
More and more and more and more had to know.
They had to know that there was going to be a failure.
At whatever date, April 1st, January 1st, 2000, whatever the date was, they had to know.
So... So...
How do you excuse the behavior of those who did nothing, all those supposedly good people who did nothing?
I don't entirely excuse it, but the reality is that the programmer had been suffering, especially the mainframe program, had been suffering attrition throughout the 80s.
They'd been fired.
They'd been let go.
They'd been downsized, in other words.
As the microcomputers began to replace the old mainframe computers, not entirely, but in many applications, these guys were at the bottom of the pile.
So they knew they were dinosaurs?
They not only knew they were dinosaurs, as with any good dinosaur you want to hang on for a little more evolution.
And the difficulty is if a man went to his senior programmer, let's say in 1985, 1986,
to talk about this, the senior programmer would say, look, that's 15 years away.
I can't go to the CEO of this organization.
They're cutting us back anyway.
They're cutting our budgets anyway.
You want me to go to this guy and put my job on the line for a problem that won't come up for five, 15 years?
And so that really is what happened.
For example, let's take major cases.
City Corp and Chase Manhattan Bank, the two largest U.S.
banks, their CEOs were not informed of this problem until 1995.
And so, at that point, it then takes an act of will and a big checkbook to begin to make the transition.
And CEOs don't want to spend the money either.
Remember, we're seeing these massive expenditures.
It was just released in the last two weeks that Citicorp, which is now called Citigroup, now thinks that it is going to have to Between $850,000,000 and $929,000,000 to fix these systems.
One bank.
Huge amount of money.
It really is a huge amount of money, my lord.
And would you say the U.S.
right now, the United States, is doing the best job of any country in the world in terms of preparation, trying to get it fixed?
Yes.
We are.
From all that we can see, the United States is on the cutting edge.
And that leads to another problem.
And it's understandable that because we are Americans, we like to think that the world centers around us and what we do is representative of the rest of the world.
But the reality is that somewhere between 70 and 80 percent of the code is outside the United States.
And so the fact that the United States is working harder than anybody else doesn't get the code fixed in the other 80% of the world.
And that's why it's a systemic problem, and that's why it's an international problem.
Let me give you an example.
In the last week, and this is a scary one, a report came out on what the Japanese 19 largest banks intend to spend, now that doesn't mean they've spent it yet, they say they will spend, approximately 1 to 1.2 billion dollars total for all 19.
Meanwhile, Citigroup is spending about $900 million just on their own repairs, and they're not done yet.
They've been on it since 1995.
Now, what we're saying is that the monsters, the Godzilla monsters of the international banking community, are spending About one-tenth of what Citicorp is, those 19, really closer to 5% of what Citicorp intends to spend on its systems.
My conclusion is, unless they're absolute blithering idiots at Citicorp, To spend that much money on trying to cure the system.
Those 19 banks are extinct in 13 months.
In 13 months.
Extinct?
Extinct.
Gone.
And the problem is... Now, a lot of people are going to stop you right there, or they're going to try and they're going to say, ah, come on.
Extinct?
What's he talking about?
A computer problem?
Extinct?
How did they become extinct?
From a computer glitch.
Because Japanese housewives are not inscrutable, that's why.
This story is going to get to Japan just as it gets to everywhere else, and they're going to say, maybe, maybe it would be wise over the weekend to get a few hundred thousand yen out of that bank, put it in cash, just in case this thing doesn't work.
A little prudent Self-defense action.
These Japanese banks already are in a capital crisis.
They have not recovered after eight years from the Japanese recession.
They are bordering on a crisis already.
The whole world knows that.
Nobody's big enough to bail those guys out.
And into the midst of this comes enormous doubt about the solvency of those institutions beyond 13 months.
You're going to get bank runs.
I don't know if they're going to start in the United States or not.
I have always believed that they would probably start in Japan because of this problem.
Well this is something you and I discussed off the air privately.
The implications of talking to people about preparation and what they should be doing in terms of having some cash on hand.
60 Minutes took some of the pressure off for us.
They reported the Fed printing 50 Liquid money to be circulated about the bank so that when people go to the bank to withdraw money, it will be there.
They say.
Now, we're going to break here because it's the bottom of the hour already.
They say is the key line.
Now, If every American who had money in the bank went to withdraw just a modest amount to get ready for what might be coming, doing the old George Bush prudent thing, what do you suppose would happen?
See, now there's about, say, 200 million who could do that or more.
They want about $1,000, and we'll do the math.
We'll be right back.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Again, with Gary North.
And Gary and I had a private conversation once.
He said, alright, you know...
I'm pretty concerned about talking about preparation with regard to having cash on hand, because I don't want to be seen as contributing to a bank run.
Well, since 60 Minutes aired the fact that Fed is printing $50 billion because they're anticipating something or another, I guess we can talk about it.
They've opened the door.
We talked a little bit about it, but kind of shied away from it because we really don't want to contribute to a disaster.
And we don't want to contribute to it.
But Gary, $50 billion.
Let us begin there.
They are printing $50 billion.
If there is a problem, if there is a bank run, how much good is $50 billion going to do?
Well, Art, I've covered this on my website.
I've been tracking this thing for about two years now.
And I really appreciate the fact that you put a link tonight to it.
And, of course, the result is it's practically jammed up because you must have about a zillion listeners.
We do have a zillion listeners.
And everybody, you can go to my website, just scroll down to Gary North's name and hit his link.
I appreciate it.
For those who want verification, I do attempt to provide it on these topics.
I've got about 20 topics and I provide the links to the original documents so you can verify this by clicking through.
The only trouble is don't probably try to do it the night that I'm on the show.
But, and for those of you who don't know it, it's just www.garynorth.com.
Now, let's go to the banking issue.
A couple of things.
Let's get it clear what has been said.
First, they have not yet printed that money.
That money is said to be printed, or will be printed, over the next 13 months.
What they did admit is what a lot of us had believed to be true for 20 years, and which was steadfastly denied and not discussed by the Fed.
And that is, that they had at least $150 billion in cash, in reserve.
That was not known as recently as last July, but in August, the Fed announced it.
Now the interesting thing is this, Art, it's not just the Fed that is announcing this.
Australian Central Bank, it's been said that they're doing it.
They're not talking about it.
New Zealand has said, yes, we're going to do it.
We're saving the older paper money.
The Bank of England has admitted they're doing it.
And the Danish Central Bank has admitted that it has begun doing it.
So central banks are finally beginning to wake up to the fact that the problem is going to exist.
Basically, the numbers tell you this.
There are about 100 million households in the United States, approximately.
Pretty close to that.
The amount of money in circulation, totally, outside of the banks, plus about $45 billion in bank vaults as reserve, plus the $150 billion they say they've got, plus the $50 billion they say they're going to get, Total somewhere around $2,500 to $3,000 per household.
Now, that is not immediately available to the Fed because of the fact that the Fed does not control the money that's outside the banks.
It only can control what is inside the banks or what they are sitting on.
So the net result is that if The average householder went down and took about $1,500 out of the bank.
That would deplete completely this total reserve that they've got.
And furthermore, it should be obvious, I think, to anybody that long before all of the cash was pulled out, there would be some sort of restrictive control placed on the withdrawal of funds.
Of course.
So then the $50 billion is really Really just a PR thing.
I think that is correct.
I think that's why it is being announced.
Now, it has just come out that as of December 27th of this month, December 27th, the FDIC is going to request that all banks in the United States begin to institute what is called profile monitoring.
Profile monitoring.
And that is going to be A system by which they will monitor any peculiarities in people's spending habits, and especially withdrawing habits.
And they have said this has to be done.
It's got to be done by the first of the year.
Congress has until the 27th of this month to overturn this ruling.
On the 27th, it goes into effect.
Now, it's going to take time to train people to do it.
What the hell?
No, wait a minute.
Yes, indeed.
They're going to look at anybody...
So in other words, if you go to your bank and you withdraw $10,000 or $20,000, and that's
unusual...
Yes, indeed.
They're going to...
What are they going to do?
I mean, what are they going to do?
It's your money.
Well, but if you don't report the $10,000 withdrawal, they can prosecute, and they can
For what?
It's your money!
Well, it sounds good, Art, and I would agree with you, but the reality is the game is such that you have to report a $10,000 transaction because they say that you may be involved in the drug trade.
It's not the 10 grand that bothers me.
The thing that bothers me most is the fact that this is, because not everybody has $10,000.
In fact, if everybody went down and got to $10,000 long, long before that, the end of February, that would shut the system down.
What we're talking about is percentage deviations from your existing pattern of spending and withdrawals.
Now, if the American Civil Liberties Union and some of the other civil rights type groups, Monitor Privacy, were on to this, if this were a free speech issue, or, boy, what I really wish is that they'd go after, say, the Chinese, or maybe people in parts of town that are known to be minorities.
See, if they singled out a group, there'd be civil rights protests from here on in.
But they're going to get us all.
And what they're going to do, if they're successful in this, is to be able to say, okay, this person may be doing a criminal act, and the computer is going to kick out that individual's name with the data, and then they're going to supposedly report that to the FDIC.
Now, whether they'll pull it off, I have doubts, because you've got to train people to do it, you've got to convince them to do it, but the mechanism is going to be in place by the end of this month to do it.
Good God, I had no idea that was going on.
Yeah, it's going on.
It's going on, it's coming down.
Get ready for it.
So the idea then is to intimidate people to not withdraw unusual sums of money.
Correct.
That's got to be the real motivation there.
That's correct.
And their system is on the line.
And the problem is this bug will call into question not just American banks, which are really probably ahead of the game compared to usually all other banks in the world, except perhaps the Canadians.
North American banks are better off than the others.
But remember, Art, no bank has announced compliance yet.
No major money center bank on Earth has made it yet, despite the fact they've been working since 1995.
Oh, you're correct.
I have a million letters from people.
I've even got my own, from my own banks.
And they all say the same thing.
We are working diligently on this problem.
That's right, and they probably are.
But there's a shortage of programmers between half a million and 700,000 in the United States alone.
And what they need to fix all of the systems.
Yep.
Well, when you came on the program before, you said, forget it.
We're not going to make it.
Period.
It doesn't matter what we do.
We're not going to make it.
And on 60 Minutes they virtually said the same thing.
They said, look, if we get 90% of everything fixed, and that's a very hopeful thing.
hopeful number, we're still going to have a disaster.
10% of the computers going down would be a disaster.
Oh yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Greenspan, over a year ago, told Congressman Jim Leach, who's the chairman of the House Banking Committee,
And remember, Greenspan, it was himself a mainframe programmer.
This is not some dumb guy who's got no background.
He understands programming.
He told Leach, and Leach put it on his website, and I've posted it twice now, where he said, we cannot tolerate 99% success.
That is not acceptable to the banking system.
What is your estimation?
As hard as we are working right now, and let's just talk about North America, how much compliance do you think we'll have January 1st, 2000?
Percentage-wise, say.
My feeling is, if you mean compliance and fully tested, integrated, and ready to go, 10%.
What?
Yeah, and I may be too optimistic.
I think it's 10%.
And that's the problem.
Now, of course, it's the old question of which 10%.
An interesting thing has just appeared on the web, and I posted it only two hours ago.
It's one of the cleverest things I've ever seen.
Somebody has created a doomsday computer.
I've got a special report on it which is really for your listeners.
I've got a link to it.
You can plug in your own estimates.
You can put your own numbers into this little computer of how much you personally think any of these systems will survive, whether it's electricity, Whether it's telecommunications, or whether it's the banking system.
You put in your numbers that you think are reasonable, you click the button, and you'll get a percentage likelihood of the breakdown, of the crash of these systems.
Very clever piece of software.
Now, when you're done with this thing, with fairly reasonable assumptions of 20-25% not Compliant that is to say 80% 75% 80% that makes it compliant if you look at all of the three major systems What you get is 50 60 percent likelihood of a breakdown Because they're interactive You've got to have telecommunications to make the power systems work, but you got to have power to make the telecommunication system absolutely and and Bart my greatest fear is
The greatest fear I have is the water systems.
That's where I think is the greatest vulnerability around almost any city in the world.
There's heating, and that's a problem if you live on a 17th floor condo in Detroit or in Chicago or New York.
But water is the key.
Because if those water treatment systems go down, if the water delivery system goes down in a city like L.A.
for example, Southern California, Los Angeles Basin, if you don't have water available in those areas for a month, You can't live there.
You cannot live there.
That is exactly right.
You can't live there.
You know, you're out in the middle of the desert.
You've got the problem.
Water is what we have used to build this society.
And water without electricity is not going to flow.
That's right.
That's right.
I'm very fortunate.
We have a very large aquifer where I live, and I have a water well.
And I have the ability to pump from that well with alternative power.
So I've begun to prepare.
I'm well into preparations, as I understand you are too.
You're not just talking about this.
No, no.
You're getting ready yourself, aren't you?
Water was a big factor.
We have drilled three wells on our property.
Three?
Because I will not take the chance.
You've got to have your water systems.
There are other ways of doing it.
I'm not saying well is the only way to do it.
The old cistern system can work.
And it's not that expensive.
You can put water collecting...
devices, storage tanks, underground for not a whole lot of money, a couple of thousand bucks,
and let it come off of the rainwater from your roof. But people don't do it. They did it a
hundred years ago, and it goes back to biblical times when you read about it. The reason is,
Gary, because they, most people, still don't believe what you're saying is going to happen.
Yeah, I know that. And the day they do, don't try to buy a cistern.
Well, that's for damn sure.
You won't get it.
When do you think, even with 60 minutes now, and Dan Rather did a piece on it the other day too, you know, there's more and more and more.
When do you think it's going to sink in?
I'm sure you've thought a lot about this.
Yeah, I have.
These kinds of stories have a way of reaching a critical mass.
Yes.
Where do you see that happening?
I think it's going to happen sometime between April and June of 99.
I think it's going to be the spring.
When Canada rolls over to the 2000 fiscal year on April 1st, so does New York State.
And I think it's going to be more and more difficult to cover up the problems at that point.
A lot of corporations will roll over between now and spring.
They're on a fiscal year.
They'll go to fiscal 2000.
That will be an indicator inside large organizations that they've got a major problem.
They may be able to paper it over for a time, but it will become very, very difficult for them to make accurate forecasts.
So I would expect sometime April or May.
By mid-May, I think the awareness is going to jump dramatically.
Art, here's the problem.
Let's just talk about you and your people.
Sure.
Let's say you have 2 million listeners.
I don't know what you've got, but let's say tonight 2 million with the tapes and all net and so forth.
Now, 2 million people, if they really believed it, they could jam the system tomorrow.
How many of them are college graduates?
I don't know.
Let's take, let's say, a third of them.
College graduates.
How can they prove that?
How can they prove they ever went to college?
Maybe they have their old reports, but they probably don't.
If they go to their colleges Monday, and they say, hey, could you just send me my transcripts, you would begin to jam the system right then.
Of course.
Let me give you another example.
This is an easy one, might be kind of fun even to do it.
Everybody gets out who's listening tonight, flips a coin, okay?
Just flip a coin.
You go in tomorrow or sometime this week, if it's heads, between 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock in the afternoon you go into Sam's Club and you buy one 50-pound sack of pinto beans and a 50-pound sack of rice.
Now the other half, the guys who flip tails, they wait They wait until 3 o'clock and they go in between 3 o'clock and 9 in the evening.
You know what I bet?
I bet the ones who go in after 3 o'clock are gonna find, you know, a funny thing.
There isn't any rice!
And you ask the guy, well, is there any in the back?
Do you have any beans in the back?
I'll bet your people alone who would participate flipping the coins, by noon tomorrow, there'd be no more beans and rice at Sam's.
It's the supply lines that's the problem.
It's not the fact that there's not wheat in the fields.
There is.
It's rotting.
They've got the lowest prices for wheat.
In decades, right now.
But the problem is the supply line to get that wheat into the hands of the average citizen.
Your listeners alone could jam the system.
Did you know that once, as a joke, I think it was during the gas shortage years in the 70s, Johnny Carson said something about a shortage of toilet paper.
He was joking.
It was a joke.
Nationwide, It was bereft on the shelves.
You couldn't buy toilet paper.
And it was a damn joke.
The same rumor got started in Japan in the 70s.
With exactly the same result.
And that's the problem.
Now there's going to come the critical mass.
And it's not going to take 100 million households.
It's going to take, systematically speaking, probably 2 million.
about the size of your audience? Well, listen, we need to talk about that. My audience is somewhere
between six and twelve million. The low estimates are six million. The high estimates are 12 to 15
million. So we better be careful what we do. Well, here's the thing. I'm not saying that
understand me absolutely categorically that as of now with the feet rotting in the
Hold on.
There's not going to be a food crisis in this country.
That's why I would say you could do the experiment, because it's not hurting anybody.
In fact, it's good for the farmers.
They need the money.
They're going bankrupt.
It's true.
All I'm saying is when the critical mass takes place, the supply lines will not be set up to meet the demand.
All right, Gary.
Hold on.
We're at the top of the hour.
Take a rest.
And we're going to run through what's going to happen to these various systems, including, of
course, mine.
Do I depend on electricity, telecommunications, satellites?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Everything is cool!
I have to ask you, I think it was, I don't know, however many months ago or a long time ago, I-
I asked you about me I require I require the telephone that is connecting you to me right now, the listeners who would ask questions.
I require lots and lots of phone lines, telecommunications.
I require the internet.
I require satellites to receive the information to get my show from point A to point B.
To get it to all the radio stations, there are three satellite links.
And I said, I think I said to you, what is going to happen to me on January 1st, 2000?
And I seem to recall your answer was something like, plan on about a month's vacation.
Well, I strongly recommend that you contact every link in that electrical chain to see whether or not they were even thinking about the problem and what stage they were at as far as putting you in a good situation.
And you said the second time that I came on that you had done it, but your answers were not too clear.
They're still not.
They're still not.
There's still none.
Yeah, well, I talked with a friend of mine.
His name is Anthony Easton.
He's out in California, and he gave a couple of ideas for you.
He said the Motorola Iridium system, terminal system, for about $2,500 and about a dollar a minute probably would get you at least uplinked.
So there are technical ways around it.
I'm not an expert in the field, but I would sure recommend that you find an alternative, and anybody in any business Dependent upon any one of these chains, I should begin to find alternatives.
I'm dependent on all of it.
In other words, even if I had iridium to get it up there, getting it back down and then up again in New Jersey and all the decoders and there would have to be power, the radio stations would have to be on the air, a million things have to happen correctly for me to get from here to there.
That's why that game, it's really kind of a game computer, that Wednesday computer program is kind of fun because you program in what you think the risk is and it tells you what the systemic collapse likelihood is.
It's an interesting piece of software.
Let's talk about power.
Power, yes.
Some stuff has been published on the web in the last week and a half.
That I think gives us a picture of really how bad it's going to be.
Okay.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission last fall scheduled random audits of a dozen of the 108 Nuclear power plants in the United States to see what level of compliance they were, where they were in the overall process.
And these would be the highest tech providers?
Well, yes.
Although, interestingly enough, in one sense, yes, on the reporting requirements, monitoring how much radiation there is, monitoring the status of how many units or grams of radioactive material have come in and come out, very, very high tech, all heavily computerized.
Interesting thing is, however, the actual production side of it, a lot of it is not digital, it's analog.
So less vulnerable to a crisis.
But, the NRC has to know.
They have to have the data.
That's their job.
They've got to be able to maintain safety.
It's not their job to keep power plants online.
Their job is to monitor the safety of those plants.
Right.
So, three of the nine have been published.
And?
You'll be glad to know that the Minnesota plant for Minneapolis will soon, this month in fact, begin the actual coating repair.
This month.
Okay, this month, huh?
Okay.
The other two, ecstatic as I was to find it, had actually begun last month, at least they promised to.
That was the promise.
That is to say, of the three plants, of the nine that they've published, They had only begun to get the programmers in actually to begin the code repair.
They had spent the last two years assessing the situation, assessing what needed to be done.
They had not begun full-scale coding.
Now, if you look at this, they say, we're all going to make it next July.
Now normally in a software code revision, the overall package, about 7% of the job is
when you begin the actual coding.
You finish 7% of the task, you've got 93% of the task missed.
minimum ahead of you when you begin the actual coding process.
And from what these three reports said, they expect two years to get the first 7% done
and seven months to get the last 93% done.
My God.
Now, the NRC has a day of judgment.
And they've said what that day is.
It's July 1st of 99.
They have told the plants that they must be compliant, they must be tested, they must be ready, and if they aren't, they have to have a written statement back to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission saying why they haven't made it, why they've missed the deadline.
Now here's why.
I didn't realize this at first, but one of my subscribers wrote in to me and said, here's the reason.
He's an engineer at a plant.
He said, it takes four months to cool a nuclear core and we need power generated either from the plant or from outside during the process of the cooling.
In other words, it takes electricity to safely cool the core of a nuclear reactor.
Because of the coolant water?
Yeah, and who knows all the technicalities, and I'm always glad to hear if somebody has a solution to it that would speed it up, but I got verification from several other guys in the industry who said, yeah, that's pretty much about what it's going to be.
So in other words, if they determine at some point they're not going to be ready, they are going to have to begin to shut down then.
That is correct.
And we know the date.
They have said what the date is.
It's July 1st.
Now this is going to be a big announcement.
They will not be able to cover that up.
They have either got to defer the responsibility and essentially commit suicide as an organization and say, well, we're not going to maintain the public safety.
Or they've got to say, these are what we've said.
These are the regulations.
This is what we told them.
We're going to enforce it.
Shut it down.
And I don't think at that point it can be hidden any longer.
Because they're going to have to fish or cut bait on this issue on July 1st.
Now, nuclear power supplies approximately 20% of all the electricity in the United States.
20%?
East of the Mississippi, it's closer to 40%.
Now, if you take these plants offline, you have to be able to compensate for the loss.
Well, we have a grid.
Power grid.
We have a grid.
They're going to have to draw from the rest of the United States, they're going to have to draw power in to replace the shut down computers, not computers, the reactors, the plants.
Now, at that point, a tremendous burden is going to be placed in the middle of summer On the remaining plants.
And they're going to come under the spotlight.
They're not going to be able to play the game any longer saying, well, we're going to be able to be online completely tested and the rest of it by the end of August.
The reporters, the public, everybody is going to see at that point that this is not a game.
This is deadly serious.
And that's why I think in the second half of 99, triggered to a great extent by the decision of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the public is going to come face-to-face with the reality.
Now, the only way around that, there are two.
One is that in a miracle, they all get compliant and tested.
I hope they do.
I don't want to see them shut down.
I hope they make it.
No evidence that they can do it.
No historical precedent that they can do it.
Let's hope they can do it.
The other option is the Nuclear Regulatory Commission just says, well, we're not going to enforce it.
Forget it.
We're not going to do it.
Shut us down.
We're quitting.
I don't think Congress will let them do it.
So we're going to have a moment of truth six months early on Y2K with the nuclear power plants of this country.
You're right.
That's not all the power though.
We have coal-fired plants, we have oil, we have hydroelectric power.
I've got Boulder Dam out here close to me.
What's going to happen to these?
Declare we are compliant and tested.
Not one?
Not one.
Now, there was an article published about three days ago in Australia that said in Victoria, some official, some spokesman said that on the 31st of December, Victoria power plants will be compliant and tested.
That's the strongest statement I've heard.
It's not verified yet.
That was simply a newspaper report.
There is no compliant power generating station in the United States or anywhere else.
Now here's the problem, and I'm going to steal this from my friend Michael Hyatt, who's got a very good book on the Millennium Bug on this issue.
He has a real good analogy, and he said, look, in a bell-shaped curve in the old exams when you took them as a kid, there was always the real bright guy in the class who finished a half hour early.
That's right.
And always got a 98 or better.
There was one in my class, yeah.
And he said, then the rest of us would work like dogs and we'd try to get the thing in on time.
There were always a few guys who never did finish the thing and got the D's and the F's.
He said, that's the way everything finishes with the bell-shaped curve.
The advanced ones get done first, the bulk of them get done in the middle, and the losers get done at the end.
And then he said, show me the winner.
Where is the first winner?
There is none.
There's no bright kid in the class yet who has stood up in the electrical power industry,
the banking industry, telecommunications industry, any other industry on the face of the earth.
There is no bright kid yet who said, I'm done, I'm done, I'm leaving.
Now, on a bell-shaped curve with one year to go, and in the case of nuclear power,
really seven months to go, there should be some bright kids appearing now.
There should be somebody saying, third-party verification, we're tested, we're compliant.
Now the fact of the matter is, when we have found anybody claiming compliance, we have also found that they've lied.
The military being the worst case.
Yeah, I heard a report on that the other day.
430 systems were declared finished and certified.
And it turned out that 109 of them had actually made it, and the rest of them had faked it.
Now, two weeks ago, the next story came out, which was the Defense Weapons System, which monitors the stockpiles of our weapons.
They don't launch them, but they monitor the status of them and the safety of them.
Same thing.
They had claimed compliance.
They got a third-party verification.
Wasn't true.
Nobody's head rolls.
No general loses a star.
There is no negative sanction on lying on this matter.
So then why not lie?
And defer the problem.
I was going to say, how can this be?
We're talking about our nuclear stockpiles.
The safety of our nuclear stockpiles.
That's right.
And the reality is, as long as there are no negative sanctions for lying, and there are clearly huge negative sanctions for telling the truth if the news is bad, what you're going to get is a whole lot of lying.
And that is what we're getting.
And that's what you're getting.
Talk straight to the American people, as straight as you're able.
January 1st, 2000, or before.
What's going to happen to our power?
And for how long?
The industry doesn't know.
Reporters have gone to the Electric Power Research Institute to ask, which is the big
think tank, and they're told, well, we think it will be all right.
We're pretty sure it's going to be all right.
But when pressed, they say, we really don't know because we've never had a situation like this before.
If it goes wrong, Gary, for how long do you think?
In other words, people are obviously asking themselves, what do I have to prepare?
What do you have to prepare for?
That's right.
The difficulty is, if it goes down in a heap, you have to have a source of power to reboot it.
There have to be independent supply units that have made the compliance, that are safe, that got out of the system in time, and can be used to restart the system.
So if it goes down in a heap, if that happens, worst case... It doesn't come up.
It doesn't come up next week?
Probably it doesn't come up.
Ever?
Maybe not in our lifetime.
Alright, hold it right there.
We'll break here in the half hour. From the high desert...
When something goes wrong, for example, I have a very complicated broadcast set up here in my little town, in my home, and occasionally electronics fail.
No problem.
I pick up the phone, I call my network, they call a vendor, a piece of equipment is sent out here, and it's swapped out or changed, and boom, I'm back Yeah.
So if things begin to go wrong with power, with any other of the myriad of things that
we're going to talk about, are we going to be able to pick up the phone and call the
vendor?
The phone companies are probably better prepared than anybody else.
That may not mean a lot, but they have written better code.
AT&T has written better code, Motorola has written better code than most any other industry
because they have been geared to digital switching for a long time.
The difficulty that you're going to have is the power that supports the phone.
Yeah, I was going to ask about that.
That is critical, because the phones aren't autonomous.
Maybe they can get some diesel power in to keep the local phone system going for a time, but ultimately it hinges on electrical power.
This doesn't mean that the phones are out of the woods.
It's just that if anybody is close to being out of the woods, it probably is the phone system.
But then nobody has claimed compliance there either.
And there's not just one phone system anymore.
There are a lot of companies.
That's true.
And the discussion on international telecommunications is much darker.
And remember, international banking, international trade, all the things that keep the world economy going is based on the telephone system.
Of course.
And if international telephone systems go down, as it now looks that at least some of them are going to, and we assume that, then you've got an economic crisis, if not at least a disaster.
But let's get back to your point.
Art, it's not just going to be you with the system that goes down.
The resistor that breaks the system that is not operating properly.
It's not just you who's going to try to get on the phone and get somebody to come out and fix it.
It's a question across the board.
It's what I call the ultimate busy signal.
Let's assume the phones stay up.
You know, I've been getting a lot of that lately.
Sorry, all lines are, I forget what they say, all circuits are busy.
That's what it is.
All circuits are busy.
I've been getting that a lot lately.
Everybody is going to call whoever he needs right now.
you need, whether you need your electricity on, your heating system, your pipes are frozen,
everybody's going to be calling that guy to come and fix it.
Of course, the question is, are you going to be able to pay the guy?
That's real important.
But assuming the banks are up and you can pay him, you've still got the problem.
Medicare, let's look at that one.
Medicare sends out, is estimated to send out in 2000, they themselves have estimated one
billion checks, that's 80 million checks a month.
The Congressman Horn gave Medicare an F in his latest ratings.
F. F. It looks almost certain that Medicare is not going to be compliant.
Now they said somebody can't really be serious, but I have actually seen statements saying,
well, we'll do it by hand.
Yeah, 80 million checks a month.
They're going to write those by hand.
Now, somebody, hospital, physician not being paid.
Granny, not being paid.
She's going to call Medicare.
What's she going to get?
She's going to get a busy signal.
And next month, all the rest of them are going to call.
And the month after that.
If it doesn't get solved at the front end, it's cumulative art.
It doesn't solve itself, it must be solved.
This is true of Social Security.
This is true of your pension check.
This is true of your bank teller.
No matter what you do, there's a supply line problem.
There's one person sitting in front of a computer terminal and a telephone.
And that phone is busy, and that terminal is down.
Even on conservative 60 Minutes, they went to a bank, and they were looking at code lines, I'm sure you saw it, and they were trying to fix this and that, and they said, look, what's going to happen to, let's say I write a check, Um, I put in a deposit.
That deposit will, in effect, by the computers, be simply deleted, and I'm going to write a check that's going to bounce sky high.
They said that on 60 Minutes, and a conservative old 60 Minutes.
Yeah.
That really is an accurate portrayal?
They do it by hand.
Let's assume somehow you can do it by hand.
I can't imagine how you're going to do it by hand.
I don't believe that because when I go to the bank and the computers are down.
Everything stops.
They stop.
They just stand there.
I'm saying, hey, sorry, you'll have to come back in about an hour.
The computers are down.
Those four words, the computer is down.
Right.
I believe are the most dangerous four words that we have faced in the last 50 years and maybe It's true.
word phrase always serves in a normal circumstance of buying time.
And the person says, Oh, well, I understand.
I mean, everybody nods.
If the magic phrase, the computer is down, the average American at that point, he quits
yelling because if the computer is down, what can he say?
He can't yell at the computer and doesn't do any good to yell at the girl.
That's right.
The difficulty part is when the phrase the computer is down, refers to your health, your
future, your money, your electricity, your everything.
When those four words really put your life in danger or your financial health in danger, then we're going to see what people do.
And I don't think they're going to walk away quietly and come back in an hour.
That's a problem.
Here's somebody from Rochester, New York, who writes, Art, to the point, tonight you're interviewing Gary North
again.
One of his, quote, must do to keep my life as much like it is now mandates is to stock up on prescription
medications. Clearly, this does make sense to a lot of listeners who value their
current lifestyle. Unfortunately, there is a bit of a problem
with a practical implementation of all this. Where and how, for example, do I go
about obtaining an extra six months supply of all the medicines that I and
my family take every day? Your audience...
Can't go directly to a pharmacy How the hell does he do it?
What does he do?
There's no answer.
nor can they with any expectation of success go to their doctor and request a set of prescriptions
for the upcoming Y2K survival needs.
He makes a good point.
So in other words, how the hell does he do it?
What does he do?
There's no answer.
So we go to the next question.
It's a brilliantly stated point for which there is no answer if the system is down.
If the computer is down, there's no answer for that question.
He says it.
You can't go to your doctor.
You can't say, look, doc, Y2K is coming.
I'm going to need at least six months of whatever.
Correct.
He's right.
And besides, even if it were legal art, it's supply lines.
How is Merck?
How is Pfizer?
How are any of these companies going to have six months of inventory?
Everything is geared to just-in-time production.
There are no inventories anymore except on used car lots.
Nobody else has any inventories.
That's why we have cut expenditures and manufacturing costs by probably 20 to 25 percent over the last 30 years.
That's what the revolution of marketing and manufacturing is all about.
The absolute elimination of inventories.
The difficulty is when you eliminate the inventories, you're completely utterly dependent upon the system and the integration of the system to get you what you need when you need it.
I live in a very rural area outside of Las Vegas.
We have now two large grocery stores.
If the supply lines were cut, How long would those grocery stores continue to be open?
How long could I keep going to them and buy what I need every day?
About a day.
About a day.
You could do it under normal circumstances, three or four, depending on what items you're talking about.
It wouldn't be milk.
The basics.
But the problem is, if there is a... It's the hurricane in Florida problem.
Three days before the hurricane, yeah, you go in, there's no problem.
Two days before the hurricane, what happens is, the day of the hurricane, or the night before, everybody goes down.
He doesn't just get what he needs.
I mean, he takes it all.
He's got batteries.
He's taken water.
Everything.
Toilet paper.
All the things that are in that store, everybody goes down and grabs and takes it out.
Those stores are stripped in three to four hours.
Once the public says, yeah, we're probably going to get hit, you can't find anything.
in those stores. They're empty. That's the problem. But let's assume it's not a panic and things just
stop. Well of course if things just stop there's going to be a panic. But if there isn't a panic
your store probably has three to four days worth of whatever it is you want to get.
My favorite movie on this, I don't think it's a very good movie, but my favorite,
one of my two favorite scenes in the movie is the movie called The Trigger Effect,
Of course.
Which came out in 97.
That scene that they have in the supermarket is a powerful scene, where that voice comes out.
Of course, you wonder, it can't be coming over the intercom.
Where's that voice coming from?
But the voice says, our computers are down.
We cannot take checks.
We cannot take credit cards.
We only take cash.
Small bills, please.
That describes the problem of the supermarket in the crisis.
Well, let's stay with the trigger effect.
I saw that movie.
I think we talked about it last time or the time before.
If the power goes down, do you think the trigger effect, in other words, a day would go by,
people would make it, a day, two days, the third day, the fourth day, problems begin,
people begin turning on each other.
I mean, we could go back to the gas crisis of the 70s, where fistfights broke out in lines trying to get gas, and people turned on each other.
Now, how many days would go by with a power collapse before the trigger effect began to take hold?
In the trigger effect, it's about four days, if I remember.
Do you think that's realistic?
Yeah, I think that's realistic.
My concern, though more than anything, and what they don't really deal with properly in the trigger effect, is the water and the water supply.
Depending on where you're bringing your water in from, and whether you're in a small town and there's a big water tank on the hill, you might get five days, six days of water.
Now you might not get treatment of that water, and the sewer problem might create havoc.
But at some point, The water, the absence of water in the tap and the absence of the flushed toilet will bring people to a real definitive reality.
And I'm of the opinion that when that happens, people are going to know their lifestyles have to change and change very, very fast compared with whatever they've done before.
And again, it gets back to water.
We can do without refrigeration and we can do without the lights if we have to.
It's tied to how long the water system can deliver the goods and take the bads away.
Alright.
I'm going to ask you a very hard question.
You've walked the walk that you've talked.
You have prepared.
There are a lot of major cities with millions and millions of people who are listening to you right now.
And there are other people like you.
I have prepared.
You have prepared.
Some others have prepared.
When all of this happens and the trigger of the effect is pulled, these people are going to be coming to your doorstep, Gary.
They're going to be coming to my doorstep and a lot of other people's.
They're going to be hungry.
Yep.
They're going to be thirsty.
They're going to want what I have.
And then what?
Well, I've thought about that, and I think you have to think about that.
One strategy I have is that I'm not that crazy about rice and beans, but I buy it on a regular basis, and one reason is that it's a cheap food you can buy now that you can prepare easily, and you give to the family.
If it shows up at the door, they show up at the door.
You give them something.
You've got some water.
I've got a well.
You send them on the way.
I think you do.
as best you can, double, triple the supplies that you've got of the basics.
It will sustain life.
Not fancy stuff, but the basics that will sustain life and you have that for neighbors
and you have that for visitors and I think that's one of the things you do because there
are only a handful of us who are thinking this far ahead.
Now that's different from a guy coming and saying, you will give me what you've got.
Well I'm sorry, but you and I both know there are going to be a lot of the you will give
me what you've got people.
In the area in which I live, I'm...
I honestly believe that the majority of those kinds of people probably will not make it to my particular doorstep because of the nature of the neighbors that I've got.
There are some regions of the country where that's not a good policy and I moved into one of them.
But your basic question is correct.
Now, let's get to the heart of the matter.
And this is the problem of every system.
Let's assume, and by the way I do assume it, But the stock market, sometime in the next six months, is going to take a dive.
A big one.
Now, I can go on the air and say, hey everybody, on a particular date, you'd better get out of the market.
Now, if hardly anybody believes me, which of course hardly anybody will, those people who say, yeah, you know, that makes sense, I don't trust all this, I'm selling.
They can get out because nobody else believes them.
Everybody can't get into or out of any market overnight.
If nothing else, you call the toll-free 800 number to sell, and you get the busy signal.
And the busy signal is going to lock up liquidity at some point, because you can't get through to your broker to buy or sell.
Now, people will say to me, and have said to me, well, everybody can't get out at the same time, or everybody can't get out.
And I say that's right.
But the same argument applies to every other institution, every other system in the world.
And the stock market is the obvious one.
When some broker says, I think it's time to sell, and he tells his clients that, normally you don't hear some uproar in the press saying, well, everybody can't get out.
And the point is, I'm not telling everybody to get out, I'm just telling you to get out.
The difficulty is if President Clinton goes on the air and says, Hillary, I've sent her
down to the bank to get out some cash, we're heading back to Arkansas or whatever, he can't
get on the air and say that.
No national leader dares to get on the air and say such a thing.
Of course not.
He has to say the exact opposite.
The basics are sound.
The economy is sound.
They've got to cheerlead.
They have to do that, and I have a rule.
I put it on my website.
In fact, I end my little Art Bell special report that I put on the site with the old
phrase that I always think is great and that is, never believe anything until it is officially
denied.
And that's the situation we're dealing with here.
If I tell somebody, I think you ought to sell stock A, I don't think that stock is going
up anymore.
I think that stock is going to get hit.
I think you ought to sell that stock.
I tell him or I tell a dozen people, I tell a thousand subscribers, nobody gets mad.
And yet it's obvious that I can't tell everybody to get out because you can't all get out at
once.
But even if you tell them to get out and they get out, what do they do with it?
Well, I'm just using it as an example.
as a peak of the market, any market.
I don't care what we're talking about.
If a million people are into anything and you say, you better get out of that thing,
a million of them can't get out unless another million of them show up to get in.
Y2K is unique in the history of man, Art, absolutely unique in the history of man in
that it is systemic and it is international and it is universal.
It's going to hit everybody.
It's going to hit on the same day, at least within the 24-hour ruling of the earth.
It hits every system, not each.
Equally hard, but it hits every system.
By the way, will we have a little bit of warning?
In other words, obviously Europe is going to get hit before we get hit.
Yes.
And Asia before them.
Yes.
So, will we see this disaster rolling toward us by time zones?
It's interesting that Senator Bennett has said, and in fact insisted, that we set up some kind of a monitoring system.
Because he says in Washington D.C.
we get a 17 hour warning.
And so we can monitor what happens.
And I keep thinking, that's like going down to the beach with the tidal wave and a pair of binoculars.
Maybe you can see it first, but the idea is to get out of the way.
I mean, that's the point.
You don't get out of the way in the last 17 hours.
No, that's right.
You just see it coming.
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We've got a problem.
It may be the biggest problem that the modern world I think it is.
At 12 midnight, January 1st, 2000, a Saturday morning, most of the world's mainframe computers will either shut down or begin spewing out bad data.
Most of the world's desktop computers will also start spewing out bad data.
Tens of millions, possibly hundreds of millions of pre-programmed computer chips will begin to shut down the systems they automatically control.
This will create a nightmare for every area of life in every region of the industrialized world.
It's called the Year 2000 Problem.
It's also called the Millennium Bug Y2K.
And misspelled the Millennium Time Bomb.
Millennium or millennium, it doesn't matter how we spell it, this bomb is not going away.
And that is where your reading and your research must begin.
I think what Gary was saying at the end of the last hour is that whether it's the stock market or anything else, not everybody can get out, not everybody can get saved, not everybody can get prepared.
But you can.
So please, take my word for it.
If you have a computer, go up there and do the reading.
Do the research.
Don't take my word for it.
Don't take Gary's.
Don't even take 60 minutes.
Do your own research and do your own preparation or make a decision not to.
That's free will.
We'll get back to Gary North in a moment.
I have a special message from men about mail to your site and other related sites.
We are increasingly dependent, I am particularly dependent, as you are, on the internet.
And I wonder what you have to say about About the internet, how well, I mean, after all, the internet is computer heavy.
There are servers, there are massive connections nationwide now.
We're doubling, I don't know, every 18 months or something, the number of people on the net, or maybe it's less than that.
People are ordering and buying the things that they want on the net.
I buy my airplane tickets now on the net.
I wouldn't know what to do without the net.
Am I going to have the net January 1st, 2000?
Well, I sure hope so, because I really believe that the internet is going to be extremely important in overcoming the worst effects, or at least the worst economic effects, That Y2K is going to produce.
Now, if you get, of course, power breaking down, then the game's off.
It's off, yeah.
So, we're, by asking the question, you're saying, less than worst case scenario.
And under those circumstances, I'm very big, very big advocate of the net.
Some power, let's say some power.
Some power, some phones, and so forth.
And that's a very efficient way to communicate.
Email is going to be vital to people.
Right.
Because you can get communication fast, digitally to somebody, he can respond rapidly. Email
is going to be a tremendously important thing to keep families together. Is your website
Y2K compliant?
My personal opinion is, it probably is, I think, from what I can see, the internet technology
generally, generally has been ahead of the curve.
I have not heard any real horror stories on the servers.
So I certainly hope that it is.
Now, the question, let's get to this one, let's get to the tough one.
Let's say it's still up.
Now the question is, how do I pay for it?
See, they're billing my credit card every month.
And they ding that credit card and I get service because they're able to ding the credit card.
Now, it is vital to us that the banking system does stay up, is compliant,
It doesn't get hit with runs, etc., etc., that the Japanese banks in one gigantic collapse don't lay 19 Godzillas dead in the middle of Wall Street.
See, that's the problem.
And how do you remove those 19 Godzillas dead in the streets?
The problem is, how do you pay for anything?
We have geared it to electronic payments, especially in the United States.
If the electronic payment system stays up, I think the recovery will be much faster than it would have been before.
But conversely, if it does not stay up, then it's going to be so much worse because we are so completely dependent upon this kind of a payment system.
There is a phrase that is used now on the web called the Iron Triangle.
What does that mean?
And the Iron Triangle is the electrical power system, the telecommunications system, and the banking system.
That's usually how it's defined.
Now, I frankly would substitute the water and sewer systems for the banking system.
But basically, you can do it, you can understand it, if you talk about the triangular relationship of holding a society together on the three legs of the stool.
If telecommunications goes down, the power system and the banks go down, because the power system is dependent upon time signals to know how much power it's running down any particular line.
Correct.
And if it doesn't have that, it'll fry the line.
So you can't run the power system if you don't have telecommunications.
But conversely, if you don't have power, you can't have the phones either.
And then what keeps the two systems functional is the banking system because you're able to pay for both systems.
If you cannot pay for things, then you go into a kind of almost martial law situation, kind of the ultimate socialism because people can't pay and all you can do then is in some way ration the goods out to people, which won't be easy to monitor it.
So you've got the Iron Triangle.
If any one of them goes down, the problem is the other two are likely to go down.
Certainly if power goes down, the other two do go down.
If telecommunications goes down, power and the banks go down.
Alright, so that's likely to occur.
I would be willing to stake a lot on that.
I think it's going to happen.
Here in the U.S., we don't hear a lot about Preparations for civil control.
In Canada, on the other hand, we're beginning to hear a lot about that.
The military there is beginning to prepare for what's going to happen in Canada.
Why aren't we hearing about it here?
I guess it's not considered newsworthy.
It is being done, Art.
There's no doubt that, at least on paper, The government is preparing for a martial law situation.
There are enough documents coming out of the Department of Defense, out of the Secretary of Defense's office that indicates, for example, the 120 cities that are on the top of the list.
That's public documentation.
But on the whole, the Canadians have been more open about it, and so have the British.
Right.
The British, in fact, are publicly talking about the possibility of using army helicopters to move The police force, members of the police force from place to place to quell riots and disturbances.
Now remember, Britain has never had a very powerful army except during the two world wars.
And that's been basic to British politics.
I mean, it's the reason why Britain has never had a coup d'etat, because navies never run coup d'etats.
But the very fact that they are talking about using military transport to move The police forces from city to city or place to place indicates that they do recognize the nature of the problem.
I think we have preparations going on.
They've admitted that some training is going on, but on the whole it's not at the top of anybody's priority list.
Certainly not public.
public although I do have on my site I do have a category on Marshall Law and
I've posted a good deal of documentation but on the whole you're right we are not
talking about it and if they are doing it they're doing it in such a way that
it is certainly not hitting the press. Every day my email while I still have it
and I'm sure yours too is full of a million Y2K solved That's the title of the email, inevitably.
And if somebody with some little magic bullet program or some company that thinks they have developed the cure and, you know, this is going to solve the entire problem, I'm sure you get a million of those, don't you?
I see them.
Yeah.
Are any of them real?
There are programs available that can help diagnose and fix some of the problems in an up-to-date microcomputer stand-alone.
Yes.
Now, if you're talking about programs that fix all of the software in the Microsoft world, no.
There are, and Microsoft more and more is admitting to certain kinds of problems with Excel and other programs that have to be treated in a particular way to make them Year 2000 compliant.
But that's a standalone desktop device.
For those, there are treatments that can make them better, probably will be able to make them functional, we hope.
The difficulty is this.
You've got 300 million, probably, 300 million microcomputers out there, many of them old, almost none of them compliant, running specialized software such as in the middle of a power generating plant.
Or manufacturing plant.
And they've used them, they've forgotten about them, they're buried in all kinds of production systems.
They're still working.
The problem is, they probably will not be working in the year 2000.
Or at least they won't be working predictably.
Now if you're talking mainframes, no there's no silver bullet.
There are too many languages.
There are too many specialized programs.
Embedded chips can't be reprogrammed at all, they can only be replaced.
They have to be discovered if they're defective and then they have to be replaced.
And then, and this is what nobody wants to talk about, after you have done all the recoding
you have to have testing procedures, very sophisticated testing procedures which really
should be implemented from the day you start the program's repairs or earlier.
And you need, there are only a handful of specialists who can come in and monitor the
progress of your testing system.
These are very highly paid guys and there are not many of them.
So, and there is no cure, there's no simple cure for the testing, and testing generally constitutes between 40 and 75 percent of the overall Y2K repair effort.
So even if somebody's got a fix-it program for COBOL, which is the most commonly used mainframe language, and maybe it does speed it up, probably does speed it up, but they're going to speed things up by maybe a third, or 40 percent.
That's the cure.
And there are hundreds of those programs.
But basically it's this, Art, a good programmer with good tools, a skilled programmer, and we're short 700,000 of them, can go through and fix about 125,000 lines a year.
Something in that nature.
Right.
Say 10,000 lines a month, he goes through it and he fixes the bad lines.
Now he'll make mistakes, and that's why you need the year for testing, and that's why everybody better be done on the 31st of this month.
I mean everybody.
But, if he does this, and he gets it all done, they've still got the whole testing procedure to go through.
Citigroup, before they swallowed Travelers, the bank, Citicorp, they had 400 million lines to go through.
All right, hold it right there.
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I have some good news indeed.
I began right now with a full-scale effort To solve this problem, and we had as much time as we needed.
From today, when would we be done?
Well, Theo, what you mean, we?
Pale-faced story.
If you had 500,000 to 700,000 shortage of programmers just in the United States, and the United States constitutes 20 to 25% of the total code.
Right.
just in the United States, and the United States constitutes 20 to 25 percent of the total code.
Right.
There is no we.
You don't have enough of us who are skilled programmers who can do the work
to rewrite, test, and install all of the world's non-compliant code.
That's the problem.
You can throw money at this problem all you want.
All you'll do is raise the wages of the programmers.
Whatever this problem is, however it's going to hit, it's going to hit And only on the margins of world trade and world economics, only on the margins, will a few systems not go down as a result of the bad code.
Now you can say, well it really isn't that bad and it really doesn't constitute that great a threat, and there are a lot of people who say that, especially in the government.
There are fewer of them than there were six months ago.
But the reality is, whatever it is, the bulk of it will hit because we simply don't have the programmers to fix it.
Well, I guess I was asking, to get to a point where we would not, as a society, crash with the power going down in a complete collapse, if we had five years and a committed effort, would that be enough time?
If we had ten years, would that be enough time?
But remember, Art, we've had 10 years.
It's the Catch-22.
There are a lot of Catch-22s in Y2K, but here's one of the obvious ones.
Any problem that is so scary that a manager would begin to spend millions and millions of dollars to solve that problem has come so late in the process.
That he didn't get started in time to fix the problem.
Because they'll always defer these problems until the last minute.
They knew this was coming 30 years ago.
They deferred it and deferred it.
It's only in the final stage that you can scare a manager enough to do something, and then it's too late.
Now, let me show you another one.
Now I'm not, I can't prove the following.
I'm not going to try to prove the following, but let me tell you a big company, EBS, Absolutely, yes, sure.
This was H. Ross Perot's road to billions.
That's right.
He sold it to GM.
In the past six months, the chairman of the board has announced his resignation.
Two days ago, the vice chairman has announced his resignation as of the 31st of this month.
And one of the other senior officers, all of them have said, we are leaving.
Now, they didn't say it was Y2K, and I can't prove it was Y2K, but I'll tell you one thing.
That company, EDS, is one of the major companies that does the repairs of Year 2000 problems for the automobile industry, and that company itself is not compliant.
Could be the rats leaving the ship.
If I were a CEO and I looked at the threat of a trillion dollars of litigation looming 13 months down the line, I'd be real careful.
Greek Island would look good.
Yes!
Yes!
All right, all right.
Listen, a gazillion people would like to ask questions.
All right.
Let's let them do it and see where that takes us.
First time caller on the air with Gary North, hi.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning, Gary.
Where are you, sir?
Orlando.
Orlando, all right.
This is Ron.
And my question is, I think I might have missed a portion of the program early on.
Just exactly, as best as you can say, Gary, how... I mean, are we looking at basically what's going to amount to the collapse of our current civilization?
Is it that extensive?
Or are we just going to be thrown back to where we were 40, 50 years ago?
It's actually a very good, straightforward question.
It depends on the power grid.
And in that field, all the experts say, when pressed, we're just not sure.
Now most of them say we think it'll make it, we're kind of confident, but they say we're not sure and we have yet to see a successful transition of any power producer to compliance.
If it's 50 years back, and let's be real reasonable folks, let's just say, let's go back to the introduction of the IBM 360, let's take it back 35 years.
A 35 year setback, and you're talking unemployment at 25-30%.
1930s is what you're talking. It's a case like that. So under those conditions expect a return to conditions of the
1930s.
I think that's what we're going to see in terms of unemployment.
That's my my real fear of a mild case scenario. Mild case.
Because well, yeah, I'm hoping the power doesn't go down.
If the power doesn't go down, we know what's going to happen, but let's assume the power goes on.
Okay, let's take your mild case scenario for a second.
Recovery time from that?
Five years, maybe a decade.
The internet will make it easier.
It doesn't have to last as long as the 1930s.
If the power stays up, the phone lines stay up, but remember, Art, we're still talking only about the United States, and we're only a portion of the world's trade, the world's economy.
The possibility of bankruptcies and unemployment in 20 to 25 percent range, I think, is fairly sure.
That's the good news.
Because it's going to be as if you stopped all world trade.
The ships are not compliant.
The ports are not compliant.
The plane systems, the airports are not compliant.
You're going to stop world trade.
And that is probably, in our ...but not quite kidding around suggestions.
Sure.
Of 50 pounds of pinto beans and 50 pounds of rice.
Big investment, Art.
30 bucks.
Alright, why won't the average guy make an investment of 30 bucks?
And I think it's a symbol.
It's a psychological deterrent that says, what kind of crisis would force me to buy 50 pounds of pinot beans and 50 pounds of rice?
And the guy looks at that and he says, I'm not going to think about it.
It's not that he can't afford the 30 bucks.
And he can't go down to Sam's and buy it?
No, it's that when he makes a conscious decision to do that, he's acknowledging what's going to happen.
And then it's more than 30 bucks and he knows it.
Yeah, that's right.
And it's a symbol.
I'll tell you, all of you who are listening, it doesn't have to be the Pinto Beans, it doesn't have to be Sam's.
hundred dollars in something that would help you in a crisis. Whatever the hundred
bucks is as a symbol of your commitment would you put a hundred bucks into
something because that gets you down the first stairway to safety. If you won't
take the first step for a hundred bucks you're not going to take the big step
for a thousand or two thousand or ten thousand.
All right.
Well, take me beyond a pin of beans and rice.
What next?
For those who are willing to take the step.
Hey, I bought four Baygen radios last week.
And I'm using it as an example.
Let me tell you why.
Because if communications breaks down, shortwave will be a major way that people find out what in the world is happening.
And I think shortwave communications will be vital.
People are going to want to know what in the world is happening, and a Baygen radio is a perfectly good way to do it.
Now, you know why it won't work, Art?
Because you can't make six million Baygen radios over the weekend.
So only a handful of a handful of a handful can even do it, even if they decide to do it.
This is always the problem.
If you give a specific example, all of you should do this.
One of two things will happen.
99% will say, nuts, I'm not going to do it.
Or 100% are going to say, gee, I want to do it.
And 99% can't do it because there's no inventory.
Sure.
Well, Beijing is a no-brainer.
But even beyond that, solar power?
Sure.
You can do it.
You can still do it.
But inverters are going to get scarce and all the peripheral materials related to it
are going to get scarce.
You start with the little things that you can do.
That's my advice to people.
And I don't want to give one thing you have to do because if they all believe me, they
can't do it anyway.
Well, what is the problem?
You said that earlier.
Right.
Fine.
I live in the country.
I've got a well.
You've got a well.
You've got three wells.
People are listening to you now in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles.
They're in the middle of cities.
They're in apartments.
They depend on going to the tap and turning it on.
Yeah, they do.
So how do you advise them?
You're going to have to make a judgment based on how long you think you're going to be without water and then you've got to get some form of storage even if it's a You go in and if you've got a backyard area, even if you have to buy a septic tank and just brand new, clean, and use that as a water storage facility, then that's what you do.
Some people have swimming pools.
That's a good thing to have.
An unobtrusive way to store water.
But water is, I really believe Art, that's how you think.
Folks, if you really believe this, sit down and do a water inventory.
How much do you go through in a month and how long do you think the water is going to
be down?
You have to make a decision as to what you're going to do and it's easiest to make that
decision in terms of water than anything else because that's the thing that will kill you
fastest if you don't have it.
Water inventory.
Okay well that's that's all fine for again for somebody in the in the country you just gave a good piece of advice but there's a lot of people in apartments and condos and all the rest of it where you know other than a bathtub Gary.
Yeah well that's right but that doesn't solve it for very long.
No it doesn't.
If the heat goes off in Detroit for one day, if the power goes off in a winter like Montreal
had last year, pipes will break, you won't be able to get the water out of the system.
If it's a bad winter, it's going to bring people up short real fast.
And we don't know if it's going to be a bad winter, but it sure could be.
And yet nobody who went through that Montreal disaster last year, how many of them went
out and bought a wood stove?
We know hardly anybody did because you can still buy wood stoves.
And you had a whole region of Canada that was on the brink literally of life and death.
And they didn't do anything after it's over.
How do you have to convince them?
You don't convince them.
A few will listen.
So the fact of the matter is, a lot of people simply are not going to make it.
Yes, that's correct.
Now, if you believe this is coming, um, one other piece of advice would be move.
That's a good piece of advice.
You did that, didn't you?
I did that.
Where were you?
I was in a lovely home in East Texas, in the town of Tyler.
My wife loved the home.
It was a nice home.
Great home.
When you finally figured this out yourself, and you went to your wife and you told her about this, how did it go down?
About as well as you'd imagine.
And I'll tell you what I did, Art.
To be honest with you, I decided in about probably September of 96 that my newsletter, my
work, and I have several newsletters but all of them basically, my website, the whole deal, was
going to be aimed at one person.
That was my wife.
And I assembled as much evidence as I could to persuade her that I wasn't out of my mind.
And she's a pretty quick learner and when she finally realized that the odds were against
the family, not that for sure I was right, but that the odds said it's not worth the
risk, she decided to move and made the transition.
And boy, it was a tough transition because we don't live in anything like the house we
used to live in.
I'll tell you that for sure.
But the point is, the women in this equation are crucial because they can veto most anything.
If they want to veto it, they can veto it.
And what I would tell every woman listening is this.
Look at your kids and look, if you've got them, at your grandkids.
And you look at them and you say, if this comes down, how will I be able best to protect them?
There's a website geared to this.
It's called Y2Kwomen.com.
Really?
Y2Kwomen.com is I think the most important site in all the web universe to get families
moving because this website is written by a woman for a woman. She is a counselor. She
understands the Y2K problem. She can talk in a way that I can't talk to persuade women
of what needs to be done because if your wife vetoes it, you are not going to get it moved.
You won't get it done. Alright, Keith is listening. Keith, if you would add that link to Gary's
name I'd appreciate it. So getting your wife to read that site would be a good idea if
you are trying to impress her with what's really going to happen. And it's a persuasion
factor.
I'll tell you another thing, and she's found this, the lady who runs it, this is also true.
Men have a tendency, if they can't solve the whole problem, to blank it out.
I know.
But she says the women that she works with are different.
Women will say, if I can't solve all of it, what can I solve?
And they will take it in a bite-sized portion, where the man won't do that.
If he can't solve it all, he doesn't want to hear about it.
Women are more practical.
No, you're right.
You're absolutely right.
Hold on, Gary.
When we get back, we will, I promise, turn heavily toward the phones in the final hour.
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Gary, welcome back. You have a newsletter, right?
Well, I have several, Art, and what I've done, I don't...
Yeah, I like to make some money, but I want this presentation...
People will know that this is not for money, that I'm doing it.
So what I've done, I have an email report that I have only in the past sent out to my highest ticket subscribers.
But I'm opening it up tonight, and I'll keep it up for a couple more days, to your subscribers.
They can get it.
They can get it for free.
Really?
So that people, if they want to get on the list, they can do it, and all they have to do is go to the site and click through for that special report.
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Free. Free. Is that a 24-hour number?
Probably not. I don't really run that into the company.
I just write the thing. If somebody wants it, they can call later.
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But the main thing is on the free one.
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I prefer to do it that way.
Ultimately, what we're doing here, Art, obviously, is to alert kind of a remnant of the population.
A remnant, right.
Late night people.
Come on, these are fringe people.
That's how the world regards anybody late night talking about these kinds of things.
And I'm sure everybody on the list is somebody else's nutcase.
I mean, I certainly am.
You have to get used to that.
But this one, this one is now getting into the mainstream and it's moving pretty fast.
I know, and that's why I keep wondering about this.
I mean, the point where suddenly there's going to be an explosion of, oh my God, it's real.
Now I see it.
The average Joe, working every day, busy, is going to suddenly see it.
I'm not exactly sure.
You think it's going to be in the spring.
Yeah, I do.
But that's guesswork because it's just like the gas lines back in the 70s.
One day you didn't have them.
That's right.
And the next day you did and there was no way to predict it.
That's right, and then there'll be no more Beijing radios, there'll be no more solar panels, there'll be no more emergency this and that, because they'll all be gone.
They'll be gone.
Literally overnight.
Literally overnight.
So we've probably got between now and the spring for people to begin to act.
Those that are listening to us, that is.
That's what I think.
It's too bad there's not a way, some way, to save more.
I can't think of one.
You're doing what you can.
Everybody who's in on this, telling his friends, you do what you can, and that's all you can do.
You can't be responsible for that beyond your power.
If somebody comes to take what you've got, Gary, you know, you've got to ask yourself, I do.
You know, what kind of world am I willing to live in?
True.
What kind of world are you willing to live in?
Are you willing to live in a world where you don't work anymore and your work every day is standing at your window with a gun?
No, I'm not.
But I'll say this much, and I realize that that phase of my life, which was overwhelmingly to writing and communications, especially writing, will have to be cut back dramatically.
And there'll be more of my time working with neighbors in terms of both protection of the local community and of working with them, helping them with the division of labor locally.
Because you can't do this alone.
Of course, I think... I'll tell you, my father was in the FBI.
And he was a Christian man.
And early in his conversion to Christ, he went to the pastor and he said, you know, I might I might have to shoot somebody.
Do you realize that?
Of course, FBI, you might.
You might.
And the pastor had the greatest line, instant response that I ever heard.
He said, shoot him, he's going to hell anyway.
And I thought, that's right.
If a man has defied the law, pulled a gun on you, threatened your life, kidnapped somebody, whatever it is that they would do to get into that predicament, at that At that point, as an agent of the law, he had a responsibility to defend the law.
Now, I don't believe in independent militias, but I do believe that if you can be a deputy sheriff, if you can come under the local law enforcement agency, if you can work with that law enforcement agency, that's legitimate, it's part of the American tradition, and we should be more and more geared to that kind of local self-defense because our police departments are going to be so tied up In urban crises, the people on the outskirts of town are going to be almost thrown to the wolves.
There won't be any 911 to come and help us.
Oh, how well I know.
Even now, I live in a very rural area, and I'm very well aware.
I used to work 911 myself.
I was a dispatcher.
And I know that if somebody were to come after me, I know him.
He's a friend of mine.
He'd do the best he could, but he'd arrive in time to draw a chalk line around my body.
That's right.
You know, and put up the yellow tape.
That's right.
So, I know what I have to do, and I guess we can leave it at that for other people, too.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gary North.
Hi.
Hello?
Hello.
Oh, hi.
Hi.
This is Travis in Missoula, Montana.
Yes, sir.
Could I say hi to my mom, Shirley, in Aberdeen, Washington?
Hi, Shirley.
Okay, enough of that.
Anyway, I was talking to, I was listening about Gary and talking about the problem with the Y2K.
Yes.
what I could, I think the best thing to do, if you're really worried about it,
is go to the southern hemisphere.
Like, why not go to, like, Brazil?
You know, where there is water.
And they do know how to work around not having electricity and power,
and there's not gonna be a lot of people, and not a lot of panic.
All right, there is an interesting point.
Gary.
There's an interesting point from a guy, I bet, who is single.
Well, that's a good point.
In other words, you don't take your family and just suddenly go to Rio.
I can see myself going to my wife saying, dear, we're going to the Amazon.
Boy, I really would have had some kind of newsletter requirement for that kind of request.
Yeah, there's no webpage that's going to tolerate that.
I think most of us...
You have what I call an accent, in the broadest sense, of what makes a country tick.
You're in the country, you've grown up in it, you have a sense about it, you know what's right and wrong, what's acceptable and isn't.
You're not an outcast.
Sure.
You're not identifiable as a gringo.
And I think you make your peace with the one that brung you.
You dance with the one who brung you.
You stay with your own society, your own nation, your own culture, because that's what you understand.
Now you can get more safe than you are in a particular area.
But I think the likelihood of anybody getting out of the country is so minimal, so few people would do it, that it's better to stick with defensive decisions that most of us actually might take, not the real far out stuff.
I've got you.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gary North.
Hi.
Hi, Gary.
I have a story of something related to the telcos back in 1987.
Where are you, sir?
South Carolina.
Originally from Minnesota, though, and that's the point in the story I want to tell here.
When the Minnesota Twins were in the World Series, coming back from the three games in St.
Louis to go to game six and seven, the Twins organization announced that they wanted to have phony Call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
What that did to the telephone system was disrupted 9-1-1 in Hennepin County.
Sorry, I need to tell you, sir, I eliminated that number.
We don't want to put numbers over the air like that.
I'm sorry about that.
That's alright.
You gave out a number and you said they gave that out and a million people called it and it disrupted the 9-1-1 system in Hennepin County.
That's correct.
That's correct.
It was a well-publicized and well-covered.
People wanted to dial 9-1-1 and couldn't get a dial tone.
This since this happened 10 years ago, it was a small scale that went away and nothing else about it.
So it was kind of a hearing Gary North mention about that in the period of time that he was on and keeping up with
everything on his website.
I thought that was very interesting and brought that memory back.
There is no doubt in my mind that in a crisis situation if the phones are still up there will be so many calls to 911
or to the phone company or to the local power utility that you'll have the same kind of problem developing.
And under those circumstances, you've got the added problem that most of the 911 systems are not year 2000 compliant.
Very few of them are.
Really?
And that adds another layer of risk to us, especially the farther out you are from law and order.
Well, I know this.
Even under the best of circumstances, when you know the number of police we have versus the number Of people in our country, that 99.9% of the people have got to be law-abiding, or the police don't even have a ghost of a chance of keeping law and order.
Not even a ghost of a chance.
That's correct.
So if 10 or 15 or 20 percent or 30 percent are suddenly not law-abiding, nobody can control them.
It's probably a lower figure than that.
Yeah, it probably is.
Self-government is where government begins.
And you're right, if people are not self-governed, if they're not self-restrained, there is not enough weaponry, police force, power, whatever, that can be applied to them.
And yes, you can have martial law, but they're talking 120 cities.
If you look at The 120 cities with the total U.S.
force of everybody, Air Force, Marines, the rest of it, it'd still only be about 10,000 law enforcement troops per city.
It wouldn't be enough in L.A.
You can't think in those terms.
It has to be self-government, neighborhood watches and the rest of it.
If you don't have that where you are, you're vulnerable.
And that was the one really good good thing about the basic storyline in the trigger effect.
The theme of that movie was the breakdown of community as a result of a crisis that
nobody could deal with. And you have to think of that when you're planning for the year
2000.
Hi.
Hi, how's it going?
It's going.
Yeah, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
My name is John.
Hi, John.
How many questions can I ask?
Well, I don't know.
Start.
I'll try to condense it.
I got four of them.
First, canned food, Gary.
Is that a good bet?
Tuna fish is terrific.
Okay, what about like beans?
You can do it, but it's more expensive to store it, but yes, it can be done and I think it's a good idea.
Excellent, good.
I contacted a certain major soup company, I'm not going to name who it is, and they told me that their product has a shelf life of two years.
Would that be correct?
You rotate them.
It's easy, it's simple.
You have to go to Sam's or any other company in a large discount outfit or even locally and buy large quantities of the dog food.
take care of the pets for the crisis. You have to go to Sam's or any other company in a large
discount outfit or even locally and buy large quantities of the dog food. And one thing you
can do, there's a product, a type of product called diatomaceous earth. And very little of
that sprinkled into any kind of food storage will kill the bugs.
Oh, okay.
And it's inexpensive, and it's safe, and that's one of the ways I'd recommend preserving it for the animals.
Okay, well that's basically all I want to ask.
And Art, it's great to have you back.
Thank you.
And I love listening to you.
I've learned a lot.
Alright, good.
Take care, my friend.
I hope so.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gary North.
Hi.
Hey, how's it going, Art?
It's going.
I've got a couple of questions concerning the workability, or lack of it, of the financial system.
Let's say I've got enough cash reserves and stock that if I turn it all into cash, I can pay all the bills, assuming that people are still paying bills for a year and a half or so.
That's right.
But that gets to the heart of it.
Is this going to turn the banks into the new robber barons?
In other words, if you can't pay your mortgage, Is there going to be just country-wide foreclosures and people put out of their homes?
Well, who are they going to fill their backs up with?
Well, that's what I'm wondering.
What is he envisioning happening here?
That's the right answer, and I think you will have a moratorium on foreclosures.
Those laws are actually right now being proposed in some states, and I think that is going to be universal.
The problem is not the debtor.
The problem is And the people who have bought into mortgage pools are going to find that they probably are not going to get paid, and those people tend to be retirees, and it's going to be a big crisis for them.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, now, as far as stock certificates and that sort of thing, do you feel it's better to simply take physical delivery of the stock certificate rather than cash it out, or is it better to turn it into cash and be holding cash?
My general rule is this.
All electronic promises to pay are suspect.
Okay, so it's better to be holding on to something.
I would rather have that which you were going to spend the money on anyway in your possession.
I see.
There's a rule I call Max's Law.
My friend Max Blumberg had this years ago.
He said, buy the best, pay cash, take delivery.
That's a really good rule.
So Cash is king? I think maybe more like emperor.
That was it. I appreciate the response.
Thank you very much for the call.
So, in other words, any stock certificate or CD or anything that you've got, you've really got to have some paper trail on it.
You better have some paper trail on it.
You have to.
And my attitude is people say, well, what should I do with my money?
I have lists that are posted on that document I made for your listeners, basic preparedness
lists of things you can buy.
Most people, that is going to be a big chunk of their income right there.
I have lists that are posted on that document I made for your listeners, basic preparedness
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Gary, I got some interesting email a couple weeks ago from a fellow who said, you know, I thought this was all a bunch of bunk.
And so I programmed my video recorder for December 31st, you know, just before midnight, and I let it roll over.
And he said, His whole VCR locked up.
It wouldn't eject.
It wouldn't play.
It wouldn't do anything.
It just froze.
The microprocessor just froze.
Now, I read that on the air, and other people tried it, and theirs didn't.
Some did.
Some didn't.
But I mean, it just flat froze the microprocessor.
Is there going to be a lot of that?
Sure.
And the problem is, the microprocessors are so universal.
That it's going to be impossible to predict all those cases.
You're talking about the numbers vary between 40 billion and 70 billion of them.
And even if only 1 or 2% of them are defective.
You've got the problem of literally millions upon millions of systems stopping.
And the bad thing, Art, the problem is that when they're in highly sophisticated systems, such as getting oil out of a 10,000 foot well in the North Sea, or on a super tanker, you may not be able to get that thing replaced very easily 10,000 feet down, but more to the point, that microchip may no longer be in production.
or the company that produced it may not be in production anymore.
And then what do you do? How do you replace...
How do you first discover them? How do you test them to see which ones are defective?
And then how do you get enough technicians to replace an estimated billion chips
that must be replaced?
or even if it's only half a million, half a billion chips.
How do you get these systems replaced?
And no one knows the answer to it, so they just usually don't raise the question.
And you know the really weird part?
When all of this comes down, most people are going to be about half tanked,
partying their tail ends off, greeting the new millennium, and they're going to run right into this in the middle of
their party.
Yeah, I'm afraid that's the case.
And if that is the case, then they're certainly going to remember this New Year's in 2000.
It will be memorable.
That is, it'll be memorable in the sense of in a thousand years, we'll probably have at least one page in a world history textbook.
It'll be memorable.
What about airlines?
Well, the airline industry... I just don't see how that industry can survive.
Because no airport is compliant.
No airport that takes commercial jets is yet compliant.
60 Minutes, Gary, was saying that they might have to reduce the number of flights by 30 or 40 percent.
I can't remember what they said.
That would bankrupt the entire industry.
You can't... That's the thing, Art.
Yeah, maybe we can do that. I hope we can do that.
But the problem is when you start talking the cutbacks to say the 19...
Right.
Oh, they're not.
70-72 level of flights. You are talking about cutting 30% out of the flights. Well, these
companies are multi-billion dollar companies in debt up to their ears to the banks and
the leasing corporations. How are they going to meet the ticker? How are they going to
pay the meter if all of a sudden a third of their income disappears into the Y2K rat hole?
Well, they're not. They're going to go belly up. So the good news is planes won't fall
The bad news is because all of the airlines will be bankrupt and nobody will be taken off.
And there's going to be a tremendous restructuring of the airlines in the year 2000, probably prior to it, but certainly during 2000, a complete restructuring of the airlines and probably the restructuring of every bank that loaned money to them.
What about air traffic control now?
They referred to that on 60 Minutes and they said, look, you know, at that moment, the screens could go blank.
Yeah, they do that anyway.
They had to shut down the system two weeks ago at Chicago's O'Hare Airport.
They installed the new year 2000 compliant software and they had to de-install it within one day.
You're kidding.
No, that happened.
That hit the news.
So you've got a situation where the head of the FAA, Jane Garvey, on September 29th announced, and the FAA announced, that the next day they were going to be 99% compliant.
Now they're saying, well, middle of next year they're going to be compliant.
If press releases are cheap, Programmers are expensive.
That's true.
All right.
First time caller on the air with Gary North.
Where are you please?
Art?
Yes.
My name is Marlene and I'm calling you from the San Joaquin Valley, Modesto, California.
All right.
I'm a 65-year-old lady, and I'm always trying to listen for Gary North and anybody else you have on your program regarding Y2K.
I even bought my son-in-law a book on Y2K for his birthday, and I think it's the Time Bomb 2000.
Is that by Gary North?
That's by Ed Yorden.
Good book.
Oh, okay.
Do you have one else?
No, my website is my book.
That's about it.
Okay, I don't have a computer so if I need to find something I have to go down to the
library.
I wanted to preface my question by saying that I've discovered that Y2K is being discussed
quite a bit on CBN, the Christian Broadcasting Network.
I'm a channel surfer and I kind of listen to what's going on there and they have mentioned
having a month's supply of food and a month's supply of cash.
And earlier this year I refinanced my house and took out some money so that I could get
another used car and I'm thinking maybe I should hang on to that car that I have and
start stocking up on some food and buying some Beijing radios.
No, you can't eat your car.
Well, right.
I know.
But, you know, everything I've been listening to, it kind of correlates with everything else that I've read relative to prophecy.
And by the way, Art, I have your book, The Quickening.
Oh, yes.
Did you write that all by yourself?
I did.
That is an... I love it.
It's an excellent book.
Thank you.
Um, so what I'm thinking is, you know, if you're supposed to have cash on hand, especially like you mentioned in the movie, small, small bills, preferably, you know, what makes people think you're going to be able to get to the store and buy food and get back home with that food?
It's a good, it's a very good question.
Sure.
And that's why people should be doing it now.
The food prices are incredibly low.
The farmers are going out of business as it is.
Nobody's going to get mad at you for buying food now.
So my assumption is over the next three months, four months, whatever it is, stock up so that
you'll be in a situation where in a crisis you won't have to go to the store.
You're not going to want to go out.
You're going to want to stick as close to home as you can.
So get yourself in a position now where you can do that.
Gary, what about cars?
Somebody wanted me to ask you about cars.
In general, the new cars have lots of microprocessors to inject fuel and ignition and all the rest of it.
How compliant are they?
The industry generally won't talk about it.
The only American car that I know of specifically that has announced compliance on the GM site for the Saturn, they have categorically said we are compliant on this car.
I have not seen any other comparable statement by any of the big three American manufacturers.
My opinion is the threat is not the chip in the car.
The threat is the ability of the gas station to get delivery of gasoline and the difficulty of the production of gasoline by gigantic plants that are operated in terms of embedded chips and embedded systems.
I think fuel is going to be the big problem, not the actual engine of the car.
What are you doing about that?
I buy fuel.
You buy fuel?
Sure, I'm in the country.
It's one of the reasons we came.
So you buy and store fuel?
Sure.
And you have it, I've got a tractor, so forth, and I can buy the fuel for the tractor, and it is for the tractor because I, frankly, am not going to be spending a lot of time going out on the highway in the year 2000 if this thing begins to disintegrate.
So that is one source of fuel.
You can buy kerosene.
Put it in a 55-gallon drum.
You can light your house with it, or you can cook with it.
These kinds of things are available now, and nobody's breaking any law or creating any suspicion for buying them or using them.
So go ahead and do it while you can.
But by springtime, that may change.
Oh, for some items, I'd be surprised in springtime if you can still get solar panels.
Yeah, so would I.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gary North, hi.
Yes, Art.
Hi, where are you?
I'm Wichita, Kansas, first time caller.
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