James Redfield, author of The Celestine Prophecy, argues that spiritual transformation—like focused prayer and synchronicity—can shift global events, citing a 1990 D.C. prayer vigil halting the Gulf War and a lone activist blocking clear-cutting bills despite political opposition. He rejects biblical literalism but embraces intuition and collective consciousness as tools to counter planetary crises like species extinction and ozone depletion, urging listeners to act on inner urges while dismissing institutional religion’s dogma. Skeptics may call it "new age gobbledygoop," yet Redfield points to growing evidence in mind-body medicine and prayer studies, suggesting humanity’s awakening could unlock hidden truths—including the possibility of time manipulation through spiritual alignment. [Automatically generated summary]
I bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be in this great land of ours, stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, southwest eastward to the Caribbean, south into South America, north all the way to the Balkan worldwide.
For those of you who know and have to see the photographs, I did something that I thought was truly revolutionary.
I took along a digital camera, and I took along my laptop computer.
And when I got to Paris, I checked into the hotel, managed to get a converter from European-style phone jacks to American-style phone jacks, managed to get the international, or at least the toll-free number, well, it wasn't so toll-free, I guess the hotel tries to meet.
Otherwise, toll-free from Paris through AOL and sent photographs back to Keith of our doings in France.
And there were many.
It was a very relaxing, wonderful vacation in a country that is.
France is a really unusual country.
As a matter of fact, somebody sent me something kind of humorous about France that I probably ought to read to you.
I'm going to have to condense it down a little bit about the French.
They are a very interesting people, as you may know.
Paris is a very romantic city, and we had a very romantic time.
And I sent quite a few photographs back, and actually we did it almost every day, or at least every other day.
I would send a whole new batch of photographs.
So they're on the website now, if you haven't seen them.
Among the last photographs that we took, we went and visited the gravesite of Jim Morrison.
Boatlio is about 20 minutes outside of the center of Paris by Metro, their rail system there.
And I took a photograph of his gravesite and sent that.
And altogether, I imagine I sent 50 or 60 photographs of our doings in Paris.
Got to Radio France International, and they let me come in and take photographs.
I know a lot of you listened to Radio France International on short wave.
And so I was there.
And there's photographic evidence of that and so much more sort of chronicling the vacation, if you will, in France.
It's on the website at www.artbell.com.
Welcome to WMTAM in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
600 on the dial there, 5 kilowatts, and no doubt a regional powerhouse.
Glad to have you on board.
Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and I would imagine, 600 on the dial.
It just goes and goes and goes and goes, kind of like the signal of Cogo in San Diego.
Now, there are a couple of things I would like to bring to your attention.
One, an article this month in Penthouse Magazine about the program came out, gigantic article, in the new August Penthouse.
You can read it by going to my website.
I think we've got a link.
Or you can go into a convenience store.
Usually they have them stacked behind the counter.
You have to ask for them.
But it's a very large four-page article about the program in the magazine that most people claim they only buy to read articles.
All right.
Neat article, though.
Really neat article.
The Penthouse Reporter was here the night we got the Area 51 caller and the satellite went offline.
You remember all that?
Well, it's chronicled in there.
Also, as of today, or the issue that came out today, there is a full page about me and the show that we do here in Newsweek magazine called The Newsweek, which is entitled Strange Signals from Area 51.
It's on page 62 of the new Newsweek, if you get an opportunity.
Also a good article.
Also kind of a neat happening when the Newsweek reporter was here.
It was cool because right in the middle of the interview, you hear this helicopter just screaming across the desert floor.
And I said, come on.
I took this Newsweek reporter, a very, very nice fellow, outside.
As a matter of fact, it's the Los Angeles Bureau Chief, Joshua Hammer, outside.
And sure enough, there was this giant black helicopter.
So that's kind of how he leads the article off.
I guess he couldn't resist screaming across the desert, headed toward Area 51 at about 200 feet or so.
CNN, while I was gone, of course a lot happened, as it always does while I was gone.
CNN has retracted their nerve gas story.
You may recall I was somewhat skeptical of it at the time.
Apologizing to viewers and the Vietnam veterans for serious faults in its reporting, CNN yesterday retracted a story, well, this is now more than yesterday, alleging U.S. commandos used nerve gas to kill American defectors during the war.
Now, there were a number of people fired, as you know, as a result of this investigation.
One of those people is going to be my Guest Wednesday night, Thursday morning.
And we are going to talk about this story.
And I think you're going to find a real surprise.
His name is Jack Smith, and he worked for CBS for a lot of years, PV, and then CNN.
And specifically, this was his last story before retirement.
And he has some views that might conflict with the CNN retraction and apology.
And so that'll be Wednesday night, Thursday morning, second hour of the program.
You might want to know.
If you have a way to check it out, I'm getting all kinds of vibrations about eruptions and possible eruptions all over the place.
A Montserrat, for example, in the West Indies looks like it's getting ready to go again.
They're getting a flow of lava there.
They've got an ash cloud, an ash plume, and so Montserrat is erupting.
In addition, you might want to know that there have been many renewed quakes under Vesuvius, and there are signs that it will erupt soon.
Aetna appears to be in some sort of eruption right now.
That's right, Aetna.
And Popo, of course, down in Mexico.
So times are interesting from a volcanology point of view.
Very interesting.
Just so much to talk about.
Let's see if I can catch up on a lot of what has occurred while I've been gone, of course.
Scientists reviewing reports of UFOs have conducted or will be conducting experiments and science because they have concluded that, get this, some sightings are accompanied by compelling physical evidence that merits further study.
A nine-member panel said there was no convincing evidence that extraterrestrial intelligence was responsible for this physical evidence, but the scientists added that some of the physical evidence remain unexplained and researchers might learn something new in evaluating reported UFO sightings.
Now, this is Professor Peter Sturich, I believe, of Stanford University, and we will, of course, endeavor to contact him at some point and see exactly what he's got in mind.
I saw, while I was in Paris, an interview with the professor, and he pointed, interestingly, to a specific case in Paris, France, a UFO case, fellow out in his garden, with quite a bit of physical evidence.
So all of a sudden, hooray, people are beginning to take this seriously.
Matter of fact, here from Sarah McLandon is a little piece.
As you know, Sarah is a White House correspondent that I have interviewed now several times.
And her story reads in part as follows, pressure is building up for Congress to give attention to the controversy over UFOs, with scientists from Stanford, Cornell, Princeton, and elsewhere now studying UFO evidence, controversy now being brought into the open, and heavy secrecy surrounding the subject is being lifted.
Seminars on UFO evidence are being held periodically throughout the country, with laymen discussing the evidence without fear of ridicule.
When about 30 members of Congress or their staff heard a briefing on UFOs in April of 97, Representative Dan Burton, chairman of the Government Reform and Oversight Committee, displayed some interest in the matter.
This committee has received a number of letters on the subject, according to staff member Matthew Ebert.
These letters are treated seriously, said Ebert, and we may well be on our way toward congressional hearings.
So that is, I would say, very, very encouraging news, wouldn't you?
On the AIDS front, not good news.
There is a new drug-resistant form of AIDS.
Matter of fact, two bad pieces of news.
AIDS viruses have long have circulated that they are impervious to AZT and other AIDS medicines, but now people are beginning to catch viruses that appear resistant to protease inhibitors, which have, of course, revolutionized the care of that disease in the past two years.
But now they have the first patients, apparently, who have contracted a strain of AIDS, which is resistant to treatment with protease inhibitors, which means that for those with that particular strain, it is once again an absolute death sentence.
And one other bad piece of AIDS news, they thought they had a vaccine.
Now, they were testing it on monkeys, and unfortunately, it now appears that the vaccine given to the monkeys actually, within a few years, mutates into AIDS.
So it's a big setback.
There is no question about it.
If you look at the development of new strains of AIDS and the fact that we now are apparently back to ground zero With respect to the possibility of some sort of shot or immunization, you could take.
That's one bad mama of a virus.
There is no question about it.
And it keeps fooling science.
That's why I'm always very cautious when I read about some great AIDS advance they claim has just occurred.
Oh, by the way, next hour, James Redfield, author of the Celestine Prophecy and the Tenth Insight combined in a brand new book called The Celestine Insights.
Should be very interesting.
It's been a long time in coming.
So we'll take off and do open lines most of the night.
I think James Redfield can only spend about an hour, unfortunately.
So most of the night, we'll leave an open talk radio, which is what I want to do anyway.
And we'll get to all of that in a moment.
Tomorrow night, Neil Slade, and you know what we're going to be talking about?
We're going to be talking about people who are able, he says, to actually control the weather with their minds.
That's right, control the weather with their minds.
So Neil Slade, tomorrow night, all right, in the Mediterranean, Athens, Greece, scorching North African winds swept across Greece and Italy Friday, pushing temperatures as high as 113 degrees, killing 10.
Temperatures were not expected to drop at all until the end of the weekend, and hospitals in both countries are on full alert.
So there you are, as the weird weather continues.
And in case you were wondering, it's not just here, it's worldwide.
Zoologists have discovered a mysterious new fungus that is killing the world's frogs and toads.
Huh.
You know all of the deformities that we've been having in frogs and toads?
Well, they think an unnamed fungus that suffocates the amphibians by coating their undersides and legs could be the cause of a major decline in frogs reported around the world.
Scientists do not know where the fungus came from or how it spread, but it has struck 10 species of frogs now and toads in 10 areas of Australia, seven species in Panama, and six here in America.
So whatever it is, according to the veterinarian pathologist Alan Pessiar of the National Zoological Park in Washington, quote, there is little doubt this is a worldwide phenomenon, end quote.
So, rather interesting, I would say.
We had a lot of people saying they knew what was killing the frogs.
Well, guess what?
They're wrong.
Whatever it is, it is not yet identified aside from the fact that it is indeed some sort of fungus, some sort of crazy fungus.
And when I heard this story, I thought, ah, you know, I've heard this before, a fungus.
And I wonder where that could have come from.
What do you think?
Well, again, I would urge everybody out there to keep their eyes on the various volcanoes, and I mean around the world.
We have either eruptions presently going on or pre-eruption activity, you know, rumbles, small quakes, that kind of thing.
So what I would say is watch very carefully the world's major volcanoes because I think within days, that's right, I said days, you're going to see one or several of them blow their tops.
That's just sort of an observation for me.
We'll see if it pans out.
Anyway, open lines are coming up in the next half hour.
James Redfield at the beginning of the second hour, and then back into open lines again.
We'll do just about anything you want.
On this night, I'm Art Bell, back from Paris with Ramona, all freshened up and ready to go.
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In Uzbekistan, they're using a former chemical and biological lab to produce the agents that they're going to use to spray the whole world to eradicate opium, coca, and marijuana.
Well, you know, it makes me wonder if all of it isn't just being run by aliens and that actually we're under some kind of chemical warfare, you know, long term.
And again, you're not going to want to miss Wednesday night, Thursday morning.
One of the reporters fired for airing the story about an alleged sarin nerve gas attack on U.S. defectors is going to be here speaking about whether there should have been an apology, whether in his view, since he worked on that story, an apology should have been forthcoming, and his view of why the apology occurred.
Well, I just want to make a quick comment about the scientists.
They are seeing the light finally.
There was nine members and spent nine months to study the subject, and they say there was no convincing evidence to support the evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence.
I would suggest all they have to do is listen to coast to coast nightly and to get the light.
Well, I'm sure that some of the interest has come from here, and that's why the study is going to occur.
I'm sure we've pushed it a little bit, Fritz.
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I think the computer, the internet has something to do because you get an international panel, but somebody is winking, so they finally, it's like putting the big toe into the water and see how warm it is.
And with regard to a lot of shows popping up like mine, yes, I know.
And that's fine in one way, and in the sense that imitation is the sincerest, you know how that goes, right?
But I'm a little bit worried from another point of view.
As you know, Rush Limbaugh had great and is having great success with the style of talk radio he does.
And the moment that worked, everybody out there decided, God, let's copy.
You want to be successful?
Let's be like Rush Limbaugh.
Let's see if we can be like Rush.
And so we had a million Rush wannabes out there.
We had shows like After Rush.
And it was Rush, Rush, Rush, Rush.
And Rush is great at what he does, but a lot of people who try to copy him are not.
And I want talk radio to be a very diverse thing.
And of course, I'm very thankful for the success I am having.
but I would hope that people would not assume it's the only road to success in talk radio.
and that people, I sincerely hope that talk radio kind of gets its act together and remains innovative because formats that are not innovative eventually die.
And so don't copy somebody.
If you're out there and you're a potential talk host and you're going to get into the business, come in with something of your own.
Be original.
That's your best chance to be successful.
If you want to copy me, go ahead.
All right, coming up after the top of the hour, James Redfield, who wrote Celestine Prophecy.
It should be a very interesting hour.
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Coming up in a moment is James Redfield, the man who wrote the Celestine Prophecy.
Been a long time in coming.
People have been telling me to get him on the air now for about the last three years.
Tonight, for an hour, he's here.
So, all of that up and coming, there is a great deal of information I have to give you about, oh, I don't know, my trip to Paris, things that occurred while I have been gone, and there's just been a total bevy of activity.
So we'll cover all of that in the Successive hours, so much to talk about, so little time.
Coming up in a moment, James Redfield.
James Redfield is the author of the Celestine Prophecy, The Tenth Insight, and The Celestine Vision.
He writes widely on the topic of human spirituality and is active in the worldwide effort to save our last remaining wilderness areas.
He lives with his wife and Cat Meredith in Alabama and Arizona.
I think you do a great job disseminating information and carrying on the conversation, which is something that I think is very, very important right now.
I understand somebody sent me some email and said that in a recent interview, or I guess perhaps in your newsletter, I'm not sure where, you had mentioned Gordon Michael Scallion and the ECR and the big spiritual wave that is occurring.
And I interviewed Gordon recently.
And indeed, he says that that may modify what he sees coming, that if there is enough spiritual conversion, it may modify whatever timeline for earth changes lies ahead.
Would you agree with that generally, or why did you write about them?
I think that earth changes are something that seem imminent to some degree.
And we've got so many processes out there, some of them very, very old.
Nostradamus, Very Edgar Casey, Own Now in Descalion, and then we had the same range of, I mean, very old predictions from the Native Americans, especially the Hopi, and you had some of them on, I think.
So to me, I really felt like because there's so much about Earth changes in the air right now, and I do feel like perhaps we're going to see a lot of activity, I think, as you do.
But my take on it is that because almost every one of these prophets have said that we can do something about that.
If we turn around, I mean, all we have is these vague terms, turn around, repent, get in touch with the sacred, stop abusing the earth, and so forth.
And one of the things that I'm interested, I think, in getting out there equally with the prophecies.
And that is that what I think now is that we do have a framework of understanding for what it is that we have to do in terms of re-entering the sacred, turning it around, repenting, that sort of thing.
But on a slightly more pessimistic note, if I look at whether, while I do see a large, relatively large, percentage-wise, move toward the spiritual, I see a larger percentage, I'm afraid, going in the exact opposite direction.
I think there's a great polarization happening out there.
So, yeah, there's a movement to the poles.
At the same time, you have a lot of people who are withdrawing from the materialistic rat race and looking for quality in their lives and looking for the sacred and trying to find meaning.
We seem to have this rush to materialism and what I call the disassociated society, away from the earth, into the electronic worlds and into the materialistic approach to life.
And both those things are happening, so I think there is a great polarization occurring.
You know, I think that we hold the status that comes from money too highly.
I think that there's nothing wrong with money.
I think that the world's really designed for there to be great abundance.
But there can't be abundance that's not environmentally compatible.
And I think that's our problem.
I think that so many of our corporations, for instance, are going in the direction of short-term profits and not looking ahead and not estimating environmental costs and that sort of thing.
And I think that's what the Native Americans mean when they say we're corrupted in terms of our reality.
There are, I could sit here and list, and I will not do so, a million warning signs with regard to the environment.
The latest came in tonight from Mexico City, where doves are falling, hundreds of doves are falling out of the skies, just flat dead, and scientists have no idea why.
Or the frogs, there's this new thing that has arisen that's killing frogs now worldwide, and first they thought they knew why.
Now they are puzzled, and they only know it's some kind of fungus.
There's just a whole lot going on in the environment that seems to be saying Do something soon or else.
You know, I think that it has to begin with each individual.
And I think if what I've sought to do with my work, with the Celsiene Prophecy and the Tenth Insight and as novels and the Celsine Vision, which is a nonfiction book that was out last fall, I've really tried to create an understanding of this framework.
I think it begins, as I said, with the individual, and it comes back to a perceived new state of awareness that I've defined as synchronicity or an alert expectation.
And it has to be based on a connection, experiential connection with higher self and with a sense of waiting for guidance and watching for the synchronicity and using intuition to guide our actions.
Now, all that we've heard before, but what I'm trying to stress, I believe, is that this is a state of awareness that can be achieved and it has to be practiced.
One has to wake up in the morning and find that state of mind in which this alert expectation in which the events of the day respond.
In other words, if one expects a synchronistic happening to occur right outside one's door as one starts one's day, it's that sense of watching and waiting that opens us up to this experience.
And I think, again, each of us have to realize, number one, that that experience is available, and then number two, go looking for it and try to find it and do everything possible to get in that state of awareness and stay with it, because that's the state of the sacred.
And I think there's something about the energy of that awareness and many, many people being in that awareness that heals the disruptive energy that I think mass society has created.
Well, you know, the only thing I can say about that is that we don't know which way the balance is going at this point.
I think I'm a little more optimistic than you in the sense that I think that two people in this kind of consciousness outweigh the thoughts and the activities of hundreds that are in ordinary materialistic consciousness.
And I think that we can turn this around very quickly.
I'll tell you a quick story.
I'm involved with a group in Washington, a lobbying group called Save America's Forest.
And there was a Republicans, the people who like to sponge off our national forests, both Democrats and Republicans, got together and they decided that they would create a new bill and try to push it through Congress saying that the multinational corporations,
the timber industry, could go into our national forests and cut in places, much of those places, unspoiled virgin forest, ancient forest, and be exempt from all environmental laws.
That means being able to clear cut right up to the salmon streams and so on.
And they really thought that they were going to be able to get that through Congress.
And for all the world, it looked like they were going to.
One person, the Save America's Forest, remembered that there was a particular environmental group that had not been contacted directly.
And this particular environmental group had not taken a position on clear cutting in our national forest.
And it was one person went to the head of this organization, sat down, laid out the issue, and talked about the damage that was being done and the fact that almost all our ancient forest is gone.
And really that person was so moved that he put a directive out, just a memo out to all the members of that organization.
And one of the people who read that memo was a Republican, a moderate Republican, who was so moved by the memo, he defied the Republican leadership, Newton and all the gang, and said, no, that's not right.
And he was actually, has been before, the leader of the moderate Republicans, and they rebelled against the leadership and defeated that bill.
Now, what if that one person at Save America's Forest had not thought to go talk with the individual that's headed that environmental group?
And, you know, if there's millions of people out there that in their particular occupations, their particular professions, they say, wait a minute, this is wrong.
You know, here's, you know, here's in my occupation, this is bad for the earth.
It's bad for humanity.
It's bad for future generations.
I'm going to take a stand against that.
If there's enough of us that do that, I think this thing can be turned around.
And I think that it's, you know, what I like to say is that, you know, hey, we have the high ground.
And if we really communicate it earnestly, and, you know, corporations are just made up of people.
And if there's enough people that are on the fringe of that corporation or in the hierarchy somewhere of that corporation, they can change their policies and ensure it's the forces lined up that are pretty powerful.
Yeah, they're very powerful.
And they're operating in a sort of habit, an inertia of a certain way of doing business.
But it can be turned around.
And I think that there are a lot of polls out there now that are showing that one of the greatest trends right now is the movement toward quality.
People leading corporations, starting their own niche businesses and so forth.
It is true.
And also people within corporations are doing different kinds of things and I think making an impact.
Well, you know, it's really interesting because the book, you know, Celestine is really still a book that's circulating all around the world right now and moving into different, you know, more and more countries.
And it's, you know, I've always been most observant of the fact that it's always been a pass-along book.
And it's moved through this culture and now through the world.
Just one person saying, hey, this is a book that speaks about something and passing it along.
And it wasn't done with publicity or anything.
But the reason, I think, is because it describes the spiritual consciousness that we're moving into.
And I think the more we can understand and sort of grasp it in our hands and have real experiential models for it, the easier it is for us to wake up in the morning and say, ooh, I'm going to take a different frame of mind.
I'm going to take a different approach to my life.
And I think that's what I try to do with that book is to really describe what I think is already happening out there.
James Redfield, author of Celestine Prophecy, is here, and much more, actually, he's got a new book called The Celestine Insights, which is the Celestine Prophecy and the Tenth Insight together in one special edition.
We'll tell you about that in a moment, and we'll review a little of the volcanic activity going on right now.
Well, all right.
A listener in San Diego, James says that in your book you stress there are no coincidences.
Right now, the Montserrat volcano is erupting.
Right now, they just issued a warning down in Mexico about Popo, which apparently is getting ready to erupt.
They've actually told people now to stay away from the crater completely.
I think that it's, as we said before, a real wake-up call.
You know, whether it's because the weight of the negative human energy is such that it's creating these earth changes, or whether it's a natural cycle that we have to deal with, I think the wake-up call and the message is the same.
We have to center ourselves, get back in touch and in alignment with the sacredness of all things, the earth, our lives.
And yeah, no coincidence about any of this.
I think that the rougher it gets, the more people that are going to be moved to looking at all this spiritually.
And as that happens, if we spread the word enough, I think that we can survive this and come out with something that's even better.
If you had to make a guess about the nature of all this, in other words, as we get these increasing earth changes type warning signs, whether we're headed toward one grand moment of, I call it quickening, it doesn't matter, it's just a word,
one grand moment of the beginning of the earth changes, or whether we sort of approach it slowly and then the counterforces, the spiritual counterforces, just hold us back from it, hold us back from going over the brink.
And I think that how we react to it will determine much of how bad it gets.
And again, I think it's just the power of one individual shifting not just their opinions, but how they really live and the amount of time that they spend in prayer and in meditation and in sharpening their perceptions of synchronicity,
of intuition, of being guided in what they should go do every day and who they should talk to and that stranger they run into by coincidence who they strike up a meaningful conversation with who then might go off and really impact the head of some major corporation that's doing something negative.
A lot of people have kind of come to the conclusion with our current political process that they cannot make a difference.
There are a lot of people who have given up on voting and the whole political process because they think it runs without them and they have no effect on it.
And, you know, everybody is, but see, that's up right now.
The very fact that that's the case is coming into consciousness.
And I think that's going to be the impetus to do something about that.
I think what we're going to have is new networks of people getting together and creating huge blocks of votes that they can then go to Washington with and say, you know, here are 100,000 people that believe this and want to stop clear-cutting on our national forests.
They want to stop the illegal dumping that's still going on in the oceans and want the environmental laws really enforced instead of everybody looking the other way.
Well, this is a very rich, fortunate, blessed, materialistically anyway country at the moment.
And when you travel a lot in the rest of the world, particularly in the third world, they're working as hard as they can, including in China and elsewhere, to have what we have.
I think what we have to do is use our riches to make a greater difference in the world and really try to make an impact in other cultures so that they don't make the same mistakes that we made.
And again, I think government is not going to, you know, we have this idea that, well, Clinton is supposed to go do that.
It's not going to happen.
It's not ever going to happen unless groups of people get together and go out and do it.
But again, I think that's what's up right now is action.
Groups getting together and saying, let's do something in our community.
Let's do something.
Let's form networks that can then go pressure politicians to do what's right.
Well, I suppose even the most cynical go-along to get along politician occasionally looks at some of the news today and scratches his head a little bit and says, hey, what's going on with the weather?
Or, uh-oh, isn't that important that part of the ice cap in the Antarctic is breaking off or notices things?
Well, you know, they'll be the last to notice that, really.
But what they will notice is pressure.
Yeah, it's pressure, you know, is 10,000 people on a petition in their state.
I've done some lobbying lately.
And to a person, what the staff of these politicians will tell you, and the politicians themselves, is that hardly anybody writes and hardly anybody emails.
And when they get 10 people in their district that's worried about one particular issue, they take notice.
It's true.
And it's something that right now the opportunity is great for groups to get together and go do something.
And I think another thing that's very important here, we talked about the polarization.
I think it's very important that we not divide, use the wrong categories to divide people into the bad guys and the good guys.
Institutions are stuck in whatever kind of activity they're stuck in.
The people that are involved in these institutions and corporations and so on are just caught up in an inertia.
But most of the people in these organizations realize there's something wrong.
They can turn that culture around, I think, very quickly just if a few heroic individuals in these places stand up and really make a case for what's right.
And that's especially true, I think, in politicians.
I think if we have a couple of models that will come forward and really start creating an aura of honesty and talking very openly about the influence of large corporate contributions on politics in this country, that people will really reward these politicians with the honesty.
And out of that will come, hopefully, a turning around of politicians and what we think of politicians.
Let us say that government, for one reason or another, got its hands on a document that would be very, very controversial and provocative and cause lots of trouble in religious communities and socially and all the rest of it.
Would they release that document or would they put some kind of stamp on it and buried it deeper than the Kennedy report?
I think if the Vatican got its hands on it, it would try to hide it.
I think large institutions coming from a lot of different places, if they got their hands on that information, will try to hide it.
I'm sure there's a lot more information out there about our early origins that's being hidden now.
But I think, again, it's somewhere there's a heroic individual who will have his mind changed or his mind will change that's deep within some of these organizations that will begin to leak this information.
But it won't come out, in my view, until we ourselves reach a kind of state of awareness in which it makes sense.
In other words, I think there are a lot of abilities that people had in early civilizations that we've totally lost.
No doubt.
But until we sort of sense what an intuition really is, and sense intuitions coming to us in our own consciousness and beginning to let these intuitions guide us and then trying to interpret the synchronicity that happens, and we feel that and experience it to some degree, only then will it make sense what we might learn about an early civilization that could do that very well.
Well, but that's, you know, there's only so much that can be done.
You know, I mean, I think that, you know, the greater the numbers of people that embrace a new kind of consciousness, you know, it takes a, you know, it would take a suspension of civil liberties to stop it.
Well, it possibly could happen, but the thing about it is it won't happen as long as if there are enough people in every place that's coming to this awareness.
So it's like in Russia during the coup, you know, when they tried to suppress the drive toward democracy, at one point the soldiers in the tanks just refused to drive.
And that's what can happen in any of these very negative, fearful institutions that comprise what we might call secret government.
They can get it.
They may be the last to get it, but they can get it.
And I think it's important to hold that vision.
I think all this discussion about the secret government and what's against them is very, very important to get the information out.
But then after that, it has to be, hey, these are souls just like us that can be reached through prayer and can be reached through a kind of positive energy force that we can beam to them.
But we can't do that if we say they're enemies.
You know, we have to say they're souls that can turn around and help us say this thing.
Yes, you know, it's interesting now because there's a lot of science, not a lot, but very significant studies are happening right now that are going to really shock the scientific community.
I mean, there's some big-time studies on the effectiveness of prayer, not just within the field of health, but in terms of solving problems and creating abundance and all those things.
I mean, what we're going to be able to see, I think, in the next few years is a real scientific wave of documentation that shows that our mental attitudes and our intention, the way we practice it consciously, has a great influence on the world.
But more and more of us will then be able to say, wait a minute, look at this study, look at that study.
Science is on our side here.
We can believe in this.
That our attitude and just beginning the discipline and taking the time to prayerfully meditate toward problem areas in the world in a particular way that's characterized by love and the energy of that is going to happen.
When it looked like there was going to be war with Saddam, Marianne Williamson and Neil Don Walsh and myself, we had a prayer vigil in Washington, D.C., and people from all over the world joined us.
And we really had an intense moment in which we tried to focus on Baghdad and on Saddam.
And just by coincidence, it was during the trip.
We'd planned this, not knowing this, but it was during the trip that Secretary General Anand, in which he had gone to Baghdad.
He was there at the moment we were talking, the moment we were having this prayer vigil.
And another person who is an interesting fellow, Jimmy Klein, who's a musician who wrote a book called Emissary of Light, who did a lot of work in Bosnia.
He's an interesting person.
He believes very much in prayer and being in changing the climate in which conflict is happening.
Good, because you brought up just a wonderful example.
Stay right there.
James Redfield, author of The Celestine Prophecy and much more, is my guest.
And I guess we prevailed upon him.
He'll be right back, as will we.
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Well, you know, let me tell you a little bit about what we tried to do.
We announced that there would be a moment, 10 minutes of prayer.
We sent out a description of what we thought was important to hold in that prayer.
And what it was was for all people involved, the leaders of all the countries in the world that were poised, and Saddam.
And what we tried to hold there was that the sort of defensive posture, the character armor that created this conflict or created these negative intentions would lessen.
That we could beam love in all seriousness into that situation and into everybody involved to the point where they would go, well, maybe I'm not so angry or maybe I'm not so set in this path because of pride or whatever, or alliances or hidden agendas or whatever was operating.
And just uplift them in that sense.
Not characterize them as evil or see them as negative forces, but see them as fearful, defensive kinds of forces that were poised to go into conflict and try to lessen that with our vision.
And I think that, again, that's, I believe, what the science is showing, that rather than to pray against someone or against any one position, pray that the best outcome happen,
that the most truthful movement occur, and that all the people be raised into sort of a higher awareness in which they're more capable of seeking real solution.
Well, I think that isolated human beings operating from ego, we're not very powerful.
I think our power comes from a connection with higher self that really is a union.
We go higher and higher in the higher self until we unify with the creative force, whatever we want to call that, the force operating underneath the universe.
And I think you have to have some experience that that is real, I think, to make that connection.
But the evidence is in the experience.
If in meditative states, we can really connect with a higher part of ourselves, a self that's more intuitive and more wise and feels different so that our egos have to expand.
And we have to go, wow, this self I just discovered was greater than my ordinary memory or my ordinary sense of identity.
I believe there's some creative force behind the universe that's operating within all of the universe.
Do I believe in a little old man with a long beard?
No, of course not.
But I do think that the evidence from experience, and I think the great masters of the East, you know, have finally, all that information is finally Integrated into Western culture so that we can, maybe for the first time in the last 30 years,
we've been able to really conceive that we can think of some other way of conceiving God, that there is an experience that we can discover that feels like a higher connection that would give us evidence that there is something to connect with in a higher way.
I think that, again, there's a lot of evidence about that.
And the naysayers say that, well, it's just random firings of dying neurons.
But I think that the stronger evidence is that the similarity in the experiences and so forth would show us and give evidence that there is a very rich afterlife.
And I think there's, again, a body of evidence that one can discover.
This is going to get to a very, very controversial question, which I can't resist asking you.
You believe then, obviously, we have what we loosely term as souls, something that continues after the physical life.
You've already said that now.
With that in mind, and I'm agreeing with you there are positive and negative forces at work in the world right now, and occasionally the positive forces, as we may have seen with a Gulf War, can certainly prevail.
There are about 1.5 million or more abortions per year in the U.S. Do you think that is a great negative force?
In some manner, we have to learn to control, to take over the decisions about population growth.
I think that the Pope's stance against birth control, for instance, is short-sighted.
I agree.
I don't claim to be inside his inspired mind.
I think it is an inspired mind.
I think that where he comes from is that all creation must be in the hands of a divine source and we shouldn't interfere with that.
But I think that's, again, that's a short-sighted view.
I think that where we're headed is to intuitively know and be responsible for how we bring children into this world.
Because I think one of the things that's happening out there is that we're learning a new spiritual view connected with the evolution and conscious evolution of how to bring children into the world and how to bring them into a consciousness, a spiritual consciousness, not just a way to function materially in the world.
I don't know in my own mind, I'm not particularly comfortable with the concept of abortion, but I'm also sensitive to how many people are on earth and will be shortly on earth.
And it seems to me that a religious policy against birth control is insane.
In other words, why force people into the abortion decision?
Why not prevent the occurrence in the first place?
And the Catholic Church, of course, is right up front in causing this problem.
And look, I think that certainly everybody would prefer that there not be any abortions in the world.
I mean, I do believe it's very violently interfering in a soul coming to the earth.
But I think it probably is a negative force on the planet.
I think you're right in the sense that we have to move toward birth control and toward more conscious and more responsible sexuality as a way to prevent abortion.
But I do think the structure is set so that if we get into a place where a deep fear, where our actions are violent toward other people, that karma is a real thing and that those kinds of actions have a spiritual consequence.
And it doesn't come in the afterlife.
It comes right here.
And in terms of the quickening, I think karma is very, very rapid right now.
I think if you go out and you do, you negatively try to manipulate people or you try to bring them down.
That's an interesting view, and I haven't heard anybody say it before.
A lot of people listening to you will go, gee, what a bunch of new age gobbledygoop.
And then there will be another large segment out there who will understand perfectly what you are saying.
And I just hope we're going in the right direction with more people beginning to understand what you're saying, if not fully consciously, beginning the subconscious realization that things have got to change or else.
Well, you know, it was a time that we didn't have these kinds of discussions.
There was a time when we felt like the negative attitudes and the scoffing and the ridicule was too great to even have this kind of conversation.
But I think as I wrote in the Self-Envision, the most recent book, is that the scales have tipped now.
So that really the materialists, the skeptics, are the skepticism is good, don't get me wrong, but the extreme skeptics are now on the defensive because as I say, I think the evidence, experiential evidence and the new science is now on our side.
There is a spiritual reality going on on this planet.
Oh, there's all kinds of things happening that haven't.
For example, at several of our major universities announced while I was in France, all of a sudden, we're going to study UFOs.
All of a sudden, those people that were laughing and chuckling are now quieted a bit.
And mainstream science is saying, okay, let us study this.
Or in the case of the power of our own minds, for example, there are wonderful studies being done showing now that our minds can actually affect, for example, a random number generator in a computer.
They're proving these things.
As you point out, now, mainstream science is beginning to move, so something is definitely changing.
That's right, and the information is getting out there in wider and wider circles.
I think that Dr. Larry Dossi, I just want to mention his name for the listeners, because his books, I think, really document this, the science behind prayer and all the new science around prayer and intention and mind-body medicine.
He's really good at documenting this, and I really would recommend him as someone to explore.
And we'll try to also have what's going on out there in terms of people getting together and having networking and starting to have these intentional prayer moments in which we really try to beam some positive energy into situations.
And I think it's pushing at government, pushing at corporations.
And again, only individuals can do that.
Right now, there's a million people probably out there listening who have an urge inside them that says within their field or within something they know about, this little voice is going, somebody ought to do something about that.
And then I took a timeout and did a non-fiction book called The Celestine Vision, in which I really tried to express very directly in a non-fiction way all these issues and where I think we're headed and what we can do about it.
Well, you know, I really wanted to discuss the ideas that I wrote within a story, within parables in the first two books, in a very direct way, because I thought that so much discussion about the insights.
And again, my work is really trying to chronicle the movement of consciousness.
I mean, I think I must travel in circles now where it's pretty much among people who are open, you know, and may not have a frame of reference, but they truly are open to the possibility of spiritual reality that they can explore.
But, you know, I get some letters, and I know I hear other stories, especially within various professions, of people running into people who really are just paradigm bound.
It's not even really a healthy skepticism.
It's just a reliance on, well, that's on common sense when the common sense is behind the times.
Well, you know, just to a person like that, I would just say, hey, you know, just leave it on the shelf and maybe later on look it over again and it may sound a lot different.
Well, listen, I think it's the main measure of whether one is open and has stepped into spiritual consciousness or not.
Because what happens is that once we leave the world of sort of a materialistic Newtonian decarded view of the world, Cartesian, I guess, is the way to express that view of the world in which chance is just chance.
Things that happen have physical causes but no other causes and events that happen simultaneously have their own causation or just happen together by pure chance.
Once we leave that world and step into the world where we're open to the mystery of life and open to the fact that there may be something going on that guides our lives, you know, and this is very comforting, by the way.
I mean, the old Cartesian view of the world is that it's us against this violent nature and we have to use our egos to force our way in the world and win.
Once we leave that though and get to a place, it's very comforting when we can realize that we aren't alone.
We aren't just thrown on this planet and have to fend for ourselves.
There's a higher process, if we're very alert, that will lead us in certain directions, that will open us up to a whole different world in which we grow into our full selves, discover a mission that we can perform.
And that's a state of consciousness that we might even call the synchronistic consciousness.
It's been worked out philosophically.
Ken Wilbur, for those folks out there who follow philosophy, has worked a lot of this out in terms of stages of consciousness in which we are stepping now into what might be called the transpersonal realm and bringing and moving all of culture into that so that we are creating a spiritual culture in which we use intuition.
We use the whole, we integrate the right side of our brains so that we rely more on as much on intuition as we rely on logic.
And people who don't understand that or those who don't try to understand that can seek to dismiss it out of hand.
I have, and this is not a secret, I have a lot of prophets on the air, like Gordon Michael Scallion and endless others that I could name, who prophesies scary earth changes, doom, polar reversals, you name it, we could go on and on.
And I take a lot of hits from people saying, my God, that's negative stuff you're putting on the air.
However, it is my personal view, and I don't think I've ever said this before, that the dissemination of this kind of information leads people to begin thinking about the process that is ongoing and that they had better jump into it or else.
And so I think rather than being negative, the net effect is actually positive.
I think that you handle topics that there's almost no forum for otherwise.
And it's such a service because it's so important to have this conversation because the more you converse about it, bring it fully into consciousness, the more people can say, hey, there's something real here.
This is not just new age gobbledygook or whatever the guy called it.
It's not just woo-woo.
It's not just somebody fantasizing or whatever some folks think we're doing.
It's a real philosophical stance.
It has its own basis of evidence that one can consider very seriously.
And the more open we are in discussing it, the more people can see that evidence and start to explore it seriously.
Well, and I think that, again, that, you know, a great part of what you're doing is, again, as you say, showing that there's a certain urgency and showing that the way that we have to react is in a spiritual manner.
You know, all the great traditions, I mean, all the great prophets all said, as we started the show talking about, that we can lessen the severity of the consequences if we will turn ourselves around and become more spiritually aligned.
And again, I think that we can now detail the experience that's possible that we can get into that is turning around.
In other words, each of us can turn around better, I think, at this point because we have a structure for that.
We know that it's trying to find a spiritual consciousness in which synchronicity happens, in which we're connected to a higher self that has intuition and wisdom that we never thought we had, and to have faith in that, and to follow it into a sense of mission.
See, I think that what happens is that when we get into this state and we start to observe the synchronicity, the synchronicity always is leading us somewhere.
It's always a window of opportunity that if we step into it, there's another synchronicity and another window of opportunity.
We step into that.
And it moves us right into a position where we can do something to make a difference.
And we recognize it.
And it's what I really tried to describe and illustrate in the 10th Insight.
We're all here, in my view, with a mission.
And if we feel like our lives are flat and we don't like our jobs and nothing's going well, and what can we do about it?
What we can do about it is find a path of inspiration.
I think that things can happen in less time than our ordinary way of thinking would lead us to consider.
I think that we're set up.
See, my view really is that the world is a theater upon which the whole system is created so that our best dreams can come true.
In other words, we can discover our dreams and then watch these dreams happen if we get on a path where we're open to guidance.
And again, that's quite a mystery that you can't convince anybody of until they've had that experience.
They've had something, they've tasted the mystery where they walk into this consciousness and then a few coincidences happen to them and they realize, hey, there's more going on in this world than we ever thought.
And again, though, this is the consciousness, in my view, that is the return to the sacred that will lessen the earth changes.
Because out of this consciousness comes more respect environmentally, more respect socially for others, more consciousness of the consequences of our actions, both collectively and as individuals.
And that's what we have to get into, I think, to lessen the kinds of real traumas that have been predicted.
Well, it has to happen, as you mentioned, at the individual level.
Now, there are more people than not who hate their jobs, hate their life, hate their career, hate going to work, can't wait for the weekend, and all the rest of that.
Now, I was once there.
Radio has been a passion all my life.
I got out of radio.
I built a cable system.
I sat there like the Maytag repairman with a whole department below me.
I was bored.
I hated it.
They gave me a chance to come back into radio 14 years ago.
And my wife at the time thought I had lost my mind.
I took a gigantic pay cut and I said, the hell with this.
I'm going to go do what I want to do.
What I feel I'm destined to do, come what may.
And I quit.
You know, this great benefit package and all the rest, gone.
My wife thought I was nuts.
It obviously worked out.
But it's got to, in that way, happen on the individual level.
And more people have to begin making that kind of choice, don't they?
And there's a couple of keys I think that are important to talk about.
One is monitoring our interpretations.
In other words, when events happen that we would consider negative, you know, maybe it's a brick wall that we run into, maybe a business we tried, failed, whatever it is, there's going to be negative challenges.
And if we look at those as negative, they're going to be just that.
But the key principle, I think, in staying on this path is to interpret every event positively.
In other words, to find the silver lining, because I think in every event is a message to go in a different direction.
sometimes you have to start all over.
Sometimes you have to just amend your project in one way or another.
Sometimes you have to get rid of one group of friends and find another group of friends.
There's always a message there that's positive.
And this, I know to some people, this sounds just like more positive thinking stuff, you know, they've heard over and over again.
But all I can say is that if you embed yourself in the mystery, and when any event, even traumatic events, find the silver lining, take a step in the direction that that message suggests, the synchronicity will then continue.
And you'll find that that defeat was nothing other than a preparation for something better that's coming down the road.
Well, I think, though, for a lot of people, they're stuck in a situation where the noise level of the day, the days, with business or family or all the things they're involved in is so high that they're just not listening to anything else.
And I think there's a void that people feel, and we all feel at some time.
And I think that's a very important sensation.
It's a very important perception.
What we do with it, unfortunately, too many times is we try to buy a new toy or we find a new hobby that just distracts us for a little while or whatever it might be.
But it's a distraction, something to make the void go away.
It's the source of all addictions, everything from sort of a sexual addiction to drugs to materialism, to all the rest.
It's all a cover-up for trying to rid ourselves of this spiritual void that we should be listening to, because that's the source from which the synchronicity consciousness we're talking about leads.
Do you think that there is one part of the world or parts of the world that are leading the way more than we are here in America right now in the Americas?
You know, I think that part of our free-flowing creativity, negative and positive, in America really sets the stage so that we can practice this sort of creative flow that is the spiritual consciousness we're talking about.
So I think that we do it very well here.
I think there are certainly other cultures that also do it well.
I think there's a real spiritual renaissance happening across Europe and in South America.
Some cultures have a harder time breaking away from the more institutionalized religious approaches.
And I'm not advocating that.
I'm just saying that the more creatively free we are, the easier it is, I think, to find our own individual path.
You know, my take on it is that the religions are here to stay, all of them.
Oh, yeah.
But they're reforming themselves within right now.
Just because of the acceptance of the self-seen prophecy, I think you could say there's evidence across these religions that they're open to a more actively spiritual infusion so that they're talking less about doctrine and more about the actual experience of spirituality.
And I think that movement's occurring in every religion.
And I think that sooner or later, the religions and people that adhere to one religion or another are going to really say, be able to look at other religions and say, wow, there's something we can learn from all these religions.
And in the end, we're going to take the best of all of them and out of that find a real common understanding of what the spiritual life truly can be in the world.
I'll try to especially keep you informed about any other prayer attempts that we have in terms of focusing people's attention on troubled spots and that kind of thing.
Please do.
We're going to see more and more of that.
I mean, it's something that's ready to happen.
It's something that we can unify around and be able to really show that we have power.
Also, talked to the New York Post earlier today, and there'll be an article out next Monday on the show, too.
So how about all that press?
All right, look, coming up Wednesday, I'm going to have, you all know about this, when I was gone, well, before I left, the story broke, CNN Time news story, about the alleged gassing by the Sarin gas of our own troops.
And then all of a sudden, CNN backed down from the story, apologized for the story, and fired some of the people involved in the story.
One of those people was Jack Smith.
It was really a retirement kind of deal for Jack.
He worked on the story, and it was to be his retirement piece.
And let's say that Jack does not fully agree with backing down from that story.
Jack believes the story is true.
Jack will be here Wednesday night.
You're not going to want to miss that.
And we will question him very carefully about the story and about why CNN and Time backed down from the story.
There is a story in the New York Post indicating that CNN backed down after taking heat from Henry Kissinger and retired General Colin Powell.
So Wednesday night, we're going to get Jack Smith on the air.
And I would like to add, by the way, thank you very much to Ian Punnett of WGST in Atlanta, who helped me line up this interview, a very, very important interview.
That'll be Wednesday night.
Tomorrow night, Neil Slade, and we're going to be talking about the power of the mind, possibly the power of the mind to actually control the weather.
Neil Slade claims that he can do it.
As a matter of fact, more to the point, he claims to have evidence that he can control the weather, that you can control the weather with your brain.
The majestic, I call it Popo because I can't ever pronounce it, volcano in Mexico is apparently showing signs that more explosive eruptions could occur soon.
They are warning people now to stay away from the crater.
The 18,000-foot volcano could produce eruptions like those earlier this year, which sent ash miles into the air.
And so they are warning people there.
In Montserrat, after months of silence, Montserrat's destructive volcano erupted on Friday morning and sent superheated gas, ash, and rock plunging into the sea.
Now, Aetna and Vesuvius and Pele are also now becoming active.
Early warning signs?
Well, you may think them warning signs or you may not.
Another interesting story here.
It's entitled, let's see, Dateline Mexico City Doves Swan Song called Warning Sign.
What do we mean by that?
Hundreds, I repeat, hundreds of birds, doves, have been literally dropping stone dead out of the sky in Mexico City, and nobody understands why.
Now, when this previously occurred, they did autopsies, and later it was shown the birds actually, you're not going to like this, had their lungs actually exploded from environmental pollution.
And there is a lot of that in Mexico.
And then one other little weather-related item.
I was just in Europe, as you know, by the way, had a fabulous time in France.
Thank you.
I'm actually now, I think, a soccer fan.
One week in Paris, and I'm a soccer fan.
I'm watching the coupe de mond, the playoffs, very intensely and enjoying it.
I never believed I could be a soccer fan, but it's infectious.
You get to Europe and wow, that's all there is.
Life is soccer.
Soccer is life.
And it is interesting once you get into it.
Athens, Greece, scorching North African winds swept over Greece and Italy Friday, pushing temperatures, get this, as high as 113 degrees, killing at least 10 people.
And one more item I've got to get on concerning frogs.
Zoologists have, you know, they thought it had something to do with the snake virus or something or another?
Zoologists now have discovered a mysterious new fungus, der Lying fungus, that is killing the world's frogs and toads.
They think the unnamed fungus that suffocates the amphibians by coating their undersides and legs could be the cause of a major decline in frogs reported around the globe.
Scientists, I'm quoting now from the Reuters news story, do not know where the fungus came from or how it spread.
But it has now struck 10 species of frogs and toads in 10 areas of Australia, seven species in Panama, and six here in America.
Look, there are many avenues to experiencing things that one might experience in an altered state.
So one has to be very careful without advocating the use of psychedelics.
You have to admit that that is one possible avenue.
And I do.
Interesting news story earlier today.
They have now learned that there are some non-psychedelic, underlying this very important part of the story, non-psychedelic aspects of some components in marijuana which have wonderful medical application in Alzheimer's and many other diseases.
Now, I stress the non-psychedelic active part of marijuana.
But, you know, nevertheless, I have heard, I don't know how many talk show hosts, ignorant suckers during the day-to-day, slamming it and suggesting it's the pro-druggies doing this.
They obviously did not listen carefully to the story, the non-psychedelic part of the drug.
Now, this doesn't mean people are going to be smoking marijuana to take care of their potential Alzheimer's or anything else.
What they're talking about is extracting that portion, which does not provide, I repeat, does not provide a psychedelic experience and using it for valid and very important medical reasons.
And so what do I hear during the day?
I hear people saying it's the pro-druggies.
It's like they had bricks dropped on their head out there.
Just by your getting that on the air, we will follow up on it.
14 animals with small puncture wounds that they originally thought to be a small caliber gun, but then they began talking about dog attacks in a petting zoo.
Sounds a little fishy to me.
How about you?
So if anybody can help us follow up on that, please.
I've had a question now going on for quite a few years since the 94 earthquake in Northridge.
Right.
And I believe that it's possible that my husband and I heard you a few days after that regarding the possibility of, you'll excuse the terminology, but booms, like bombs, sonic booms, before the major jolt.
And I've been on the net a couple times asking this question, has anyone heard about something like this?
I saw Armageddon with Bruce Willis, and I thought it was fantastic.
Why?
Because they were able to deal with the subject, which is more science reality than fiction, in a very serious way, but at the same time, do it with comedy.
Now, I know that may not make sense, and it won't until you see the movie, but they did that.
They actually combined successfully an extremely serious topic like Armageddon with humor.
Sounds impossible, I know, but when you've seen it, you'll know what I mean.
Until then, I guess I'll never be able to explain it.
But see it.
It's a good movie, Armageddon, Bruce Willis.
I'm Art Bell.
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Well, I, too, had some strange experiences at Summer Camp.
We could do a whole show on that one night.
So you saw something anyway, huh?
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Oh, these strange, different lights.
And everyone else in the cabin was sleeping, but I was the only one awake because I'm the type of person who tends to rise earlier than other people if I go to bed at a certain time, you know.
Well, I'm half deaf anyway, so it makes no difference to me.
The one thing I wanted to kind of point out, they were talking about that, I can't remember the name of it, the program that detects a lie in a person's voice.
Oh, yeah, but the point of interest I wanted to make, in the news, I was up at about 4 o'clock one morning, and I heard that Yugoslavia, Pakistan, I'm sorry, was planning on nuking India.
And you can sit here and think that right now it has not happened because the very same thing is in effect that was in effect between the U.S. and the old USSR.
And that is the MAD principle, mutual assured destruction.
Once they're both sure they've got the weapons and they know exactly what they'll do because they have tested them, then they're less likely to be used.
On the other hand, if just one side has them, I don't have to go through this with you.
Yeah, I want to say, like, a few months ago, you had Richard Hogan on, and you was talking about the fact that the International Space Station will be quarantined.
Listen, I would suggest it has nothing to do with it, but who knows?
The Mir is getting old and rickety and dangerous.
And the Russians don't have the money to maintain it properly.
So under the circumstances, it looks like Mir is headed for an early death.
And they're going to bring it in over the Pacific and let it burn up.
And That's what they're probably going to do.
On top of that, the Russians claim now they do not have enough money to take care of their portion of the International Space Station.
And I'm kind of wondering if we are going to pony up the money and give it to the Russians so they will have enough money so they can be part of the International Space Station.
It says if there are greater activities in Vesuvius or Palaea than the southern coast of California and the areas between the Salt Lake and the southern portions of Nevada, expect within three months, following the same, an inundation caused by earthquakes.
Because I checked the earthquake report pretty frequently on the internet, and I just haven't, my computer's been down for about a week or so, and I didn't realize they were active again.
I have for a long time, and there are a lot of geologists, of course, who would go through the roof, not all of them, like not a Birkeland, for example.
But there are a lot of geologists who would go through the roof at my thinking.
And my thinking is that they are all connected.
That the magma within the Earth and the pressures have some connection.
I think that it could lead to some executive action.
And I think that if you've listened to some of the questions at news conferences lately with Bill Clinton, he has alluded to the fact that it really is a serious problem, and they're judging it.
So they're studying very carefully and judging what they're going to do.
There are a lot of people who sort of overlook that.
They're looking for a link to a guest we have had.
Well, we have a links site, a very extensive link site, on my website.
You go down to the bottom and just find the links page and go over there and look for what you want.
You'll find it.
Click on it, and away you go.
Wildcard line, you're on air.
Hi.
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Hi.
You know, I think this Sarah and Guest story is kind of relevant to your guest.
You talked about people of goodwill sometimes within sinister organizations like the mass media, the corporate big business, military, industrial, CI-penetrated media, sometimes coming through with some honorable story like this, but then you see what happens.
They get attacked.
I would recommend a book called Unreliable Sources and a magazine called Extra, because it shows that, in effect, these corporations have, you know, their whole bias and their whole impulse is alliance with the military-industrial complex, a closer relationship with the military.
Well, look, I don't deny that it could be, nor do I say that it was.
I don't know one way or the other.
I want to have this gentleman who was fired on, and I'll probably get in a lot of trouble for that.
But I would also like to invite either somebody from CNN or Time to be on as well.
I would like to hear it thrashed out, wouldn't you?
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Well, what I think we ought to have is more people like this, because I think if you read, for instance, in this issue of Extra Magazine, they pointed out that Time Magazine, far from being some kind of a liberal, in the case of the expose of the CI concrete drug smuggling operation, a senior editor at Time Magazine was quoted by one of Time's major investigative reporters who came up with similar evidence of the CI concrete drug smuggling.
He said, we're going to tell your story about CI concrete drug smuggling because Time Magazine supports the Contras.
If you could come up with some kind of a story implicating the Sandines, we'd publish it right away.
There's also another quote by the editor of Extra, who talked to one of the top reporters at the New York Times, and he said, well, haven't you brought out any of this information that has been provided about some of these CIA operations?
And the reporter told him, he didn't even deny that they were true.
He said, if that information got to the public, it would destroy the Republic.
In other words, here's our definition of the Republic as these CIA shadow warriors, the military-industrial complex, which organs like the New York Times and the Washington Post have been documented in this book as collaborating with secretly over the decades, on the one hand, pilling all kinds of disinformation against those on the CIA hit list, like the Soviet Union or the Sandinistas or Cuba, but on the other hand, covering up all of the dirty operations of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Well, with the increase of the UV rays, let me get it simple.
One thing that I haven't really heard anything about was the biological subject of melanin and how it deals with UV rays and how it converts it actually into, what is it, vitamin C?
Really?
Yeah.
And I find it quite amazing that the sun actually controls melanin.
And there's a lot of guests, or I want to say guests, there's a lot of people who are experts on melanin.
And it's just really rarely talked about.
And I think that melanin is one of the biggest suppressed biological subjects in the world.
Yeah, I tell you, This man's probably got a lot more information because it's been about a year, and he could probably give us some really good insight.
But Stan is in the process of moving in Australia right now.
So as soon as he becomes settled, establishes his internet connection, and we can connect again, and I can get a new phone number and all that for him, why, we'll have Stan back on.
East of the Rockies, you're on air.
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Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
This is Rich in Fort Worth, Texas.
Yes, sir.
I've been listening to the different people you've had on making predictions like the Kirkwoods and Scallion and Hopey Elders and Ed Dames and Sean Martin.
And there's a lot of agreement between them, but also there's some disagreement.
One will say it's a comet or comet's coming, another solar flares, another pole shift, but disagree on if it's going to be a magnetic shift or a physical shift.
And say California is going in the ocean.
The other one says it isn't.
That's right.
Another one will say Pakistan and India will have a nuclear exchange.
Another North Korea and South Korea and the like.
I was wondering if it would be a good idea to tabulate all these statements and try to find the differences and the ones that are the same.
See just how much agreement and disagreement there is.
In other words, as you listen to these various guests, it's kind of up to you to decide whether you're putting together something that makes sense in a thread through the various predictions, and there is a lot of that, or whether they are so different that they, in effect, negate each other.
That's up to you as an audience.
However, I think most people, maybe most of my listeners, know that something is imminent, that something is close.
I don't think there's any question about that.
But sure.
I think that you should be keeping track of what they say.
They don't have the problem is, sir, that uh there's about three or four minutes runtime for a missile to get from Pakistan to India or India to Pakistan.
Now when you think back on the events as they occurred with regard to the testing, it was no coincidence.
And that's why I tend to believe this story that Pakistan actually had attack plans.
If, for example, our CIA or the KGB or any other intelligence organization in the world detected that fact, detected that Pakistan indeed had plans to launch missiles, nuclear-tipped missiles, against India, what do you think they would do?
What do you think an intelligence organization would do?
Well, I'll tell you, I think they would tip off India.
And I think India's reaction would be to conduct immediate nuclear testing to, in essence, serve notice to Pakistan that they are prepared to return in kind any attack.
Am I right?
I think I am.
Now, we, of course, are not going to be told that was the case, but I bet it was.
I bet one intelligence organization or another, you know, you may recall that there was a great controversy about how we were all caught by surprise, how the CIA had no idea that there was about to be testing in India.
For example, soon now, I think we'll begin to see the warnings.
Next year, we'll begin to see the warnings.
And if it looks as though it's going to really manifest itself, then we would obviously begin to take steps to try and continue talking to you, however, we could do it.
And one good means would certainly be short wave, wouldn't it?
Stay right where you are.
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Her hands are never cold.
She's got bad days inside.
She's turned a music on you.
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It makes me feel that time, we might still get by.
You know, I think more relevant words were never sung.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Mark Bellin.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. We've got a kind of an interesting facts here.
Hey, Mart.
I saw the truster segment on Date Pine last night.
It was kind of funny how they used it and how they didn't.
They ran an old tricky Dick Nixon clip through it.
One of his denials Of any knowledge of a cover-up in the Watergate break-in, he flunked the truthfulness test, but they didn't subject Slick Willie Clinton's veracity to the truster.
One perfect denial statement of his to test would, of course, be his look.
I'm only going to say this one more time: I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
Wow, what television that would have made.
But they blew it.
Why aren't they?
Well, why do you think?
You can really answer your own question.
The political heat for that would be too much for them.
No guts.
I would have done it.
I could do it.
Maybe I will do it.
See, I have the advantage of not caring.
You know what I mean?
I just really don't care.
If it's interesting to do, I will do it.
And I will keep doing it until it finally gets me in so much trouble, they don't let me do it anymore.
So that would be my assessment.
No guts.
All right, it hardly seems to me the program could be on its last leg this night.
In other words, in the final segment, I don't know what happened at the time.
So much I wanted to tell you, and so much that occurred while I was gone, and I guess we're just going to have to get to it as we can.
The Russians, because of monetary concerns, are going to, quote, wait and see what happens, end quote.
Now, there's a policy for you.
When they've got nuclear reactors running on non-compliant computer systems that are old anyway, and you can almost be assured, in fact, they conducted one test at a nuclear plant.
You know what happened?
Everything locked up.
So their official policy is going to be, we're going to wait and see what happens.
The Air Force, of course, had that press conference where that poor colonel was trotted out, and I think they did more harm to their cause than good.
That's my opinion.
Poor Colonel Haynes.
Remember Colonel Haynes?
I always joked at the time that I could almost imagine the conversation that went on before poor Colonel Haynes, I call him poor Colonel Haynes, had to come out and tell his time compression story.
I mean, you just know he was appointed to come out and do this job, right?
Some general munching on a cigar in there.
I said, well, Colonel, you can do your part for the country.
You're going to have to go out there and tell those people about time compression.
Why, tell them that the stories, they changed with time compression.
You don't have to tell them what time compression is, Colonel.
Okay, I was just wondering if you could do this, because you haven't heard about that Area 51 flyer, if you could run that on him while he was talking.
So it shows it's a serious thing because if these insurance companies aren't going to risk their money for it, that's a sign that it's going to be a big problem, yeah?