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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, wherever you may be across this great land.
	From the Tunisian Islands, Hawaiian Islands in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Poland worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Actually, throughout the galaxy as well.
	And we are going to do a grand experiment this night.
	I will have a guest next hour, a very fascinating guest, but interwoven with tonight and tomorrow night, over the next 48 hours, we are going to do a grand experiment.
	As you know, we have, with great success, Previously attempted to communicate with them by mental means, telepathy.
	Well, if there's somebody reasonably close by, and I say reasonably close by the speed of light, over the next 48 hours, we are going to listen on a specific HF frequency, shortwave frequency.
	Now, I obviously don't want anybody to transmit.
	This is an otherwise quiet frequency.
	And so we are going to listen.
	Many, many, many people all over the world listen to my program.
	And they have many, many shortwave receivers.
	So it made sense to me, makes sense to me, to give it a try.
	What we're going to do is to listen to 6890.
	That's 6.890.
	I'm not specifying any mode of operation.
	Who knows?
	It might be a pulse.
	It might be some sort of weird sound that we would have to decipher.
	It might be in sideband or FM.
	Who knows what it would be?
	But I want all ears out there listening for communication by radio on 6.890 megahertz.
	Beginning now, and going on for the next 48 hours.
	And I would certainly hope that many of you out there would be taping on this frequency as well.
	So, if you're out there, and if you would like to make yourself known, if you really are out there, and I mean extraterrestrial out there, Then transmit to us on 6890.
	Now, as far as I know, nobody has ever done this before.
	Nobody has ever specified a certain frequency and said, let's all listen here.
	Now, what might be heard, for example, in the Caribbean, might not be heard in Hawaii, or the other way around, or South America, or way up north.
	Who knows?
	But this is a frequency that should I should do the trick.
	It is one that I picked at random.
	It appears to be a quiet frequency, and that is the, of course, the primary qualification for it.
	It's got to be a good, quiet frequency, and it seems to be that.
	And, of course, all we're going to be doing is listening, transmit it, not transmitting.
	I repeat, not transmitting.
	That would be illegal.
	That would be wrong.
	And that would be counterproductive.
	So what I want everybody to do with a shortwave receiver is muster up as much antenna as you can and for the next 48 hours listen on 6.890.
	You will also see that listed on the website.
	That is UFO related item number one.
	That is beginning right now and for the next 48 hours.
	Traveling at the speed of light, my voice should, uh, I would rather imagine make it on out, uh, make it on out, uh, pretty well.
	Now, item number two involves a photograph of a UFO.
	Now, I, as you might imagine, I get a lot of photographs of UFOs.
	It's just, I guess, uh, I'm a magnet, obviously, for this kind of thing, but I received a photograph from Ron Sprouse it was taken on April 12th of this year Easter Sunday at about 3 30 p.m.
	He used a good quality 35mm Canon F1.12100 ASA film, 125th second at F8 or 11,
	and it was at a memorial park looking toward the Punchbowl, a National Veterans Cemetery of the Pacific in Hawaii.
	And ladies and gentlemen, this cannot be explained.
	It's a good photograph, one of the best I've seen.
	He says, P.S., I was taking photos of cemetery locations that day and did not notice the object in question until later, after developing and printing Upon showing the picture around, a co-worker said he saw similar objects moving about strangely on a ridge above Kauai Kai in the afternoon.
	That's Kauai Kai in the afternoon, the last Sunday in March of 98.
	Aircraft, he adds, are not allowed over a National Veterans Cemetery.
	And I am making efforts to get hold of Ron So he might tell the story himself, and I'll make a few more calls as the evening wears on.
	It is early yet in Hawaii.
	But let me tell you.
	Here's what I did.
	I've got the raw photograph.
	As a matter of fact, I'm going to hold the raw photograph, the print of the photograph that he sent me up, so that you can see that I've got it.
	As a matter of fact, let me stop the studio cam.
	Right here, since I've managed to sort of fold it up, I guess I could get a little closer, but I want you to know that I've got the 35 millimeter raw photograph, and nearly as I can tell, folks, there's no way this could be faked.
	The references are very clear.
	The size of the trees, the building, the cemetery, which is in the front of the photograph, the cars, this is a high quality, 35 millimeter photograph.
	Now I've got the raw print.
	So I scanned it.
	I scanned first the full photograph so you can see the references all around it.
	And then I scanned a very narrow little section where the object is located.
	And you can see both now on my website.
	This, in my opinion, is one of the best indecipherable UFO photographs ever taken.
	Uh, not quite, uh, perhaps in the Billy Meyer category, but in some ways better than some of the Billy Meyer photographs.
	I think we have a legitimate UFO in this photograph.
	So I want to thank Ron.
	Thank you, Ron.
	Wish I could do it personally, and I'll try to do that on the air.
	This is one hell of a photograph.
	I'm telling you, this is quite a photograph.
	So go on up to my website and take a look.
	I don't think you'll be disappointed.
	Anyway, I certainly would like your opinion.
	It's up there now.
	Once again, 6.890.
	6.890, 6890. We should all be listening.
	Any of you who have got ATS909s or good shortwave receivers should park it on 6890 and listen intently.
	And let's see if we get any form of communication.
	Judging by the two experiments that we did, with attempts to mentally communicate, actually it was three, all three of them, to some degree or another, worked.
	In other words, there were major sightings shortly after we did the experiment.
	So now let us go to the next level.
	And that is inviting communication on a specific frequency.
	Again, 6890.
	I've got a new drudge report in my hand.
	It says U.S.
	intelligence, Pakistan, to begin nuke tests as early as Sunday.
	Citing clear signs from spy satellites.
	American officials are now convinced that Pakistan is preparing for an underground nuclear test.
	A test that could take place as early as Sunday.
	The test would be conducted at a remote site near Pakistan's western border with Iran.
	One of the warheads would be lowered down a deep shaft, attached to cables and sensors, and exploded.
	So we will see.
	Now, continuing with the report that we had yesterday, this is from Kansas City Art.
	The air quality in Kansas City definitely deserved the red alert that was issued yesterday.
	The sky was a uniform, smoky, bluish white.
	Wow.
	The sun looked more like a flashlight being held up against a ping-pong ball instead of a distinct disc.
	There's a freeway interchange about five miles from my house that's up high enough to let you see downtown skyline 15 miles away on a normal day.
	It's never a problem.
	Today, the only thing you could see was a bluish white haze.
	Kansas City, by the way, normally has air quality that most cities would die for, but today We had some of that thick, chunky stuff that Los Angeles gets, minus the brown gravy.
	So the fires in Mexico continue.
	President Suharto has resigned.
	Now, whether that is going to stop the rioting or not, we will have to see.
	His replacement is not elected.
	His replacement is simply appointed.
	So you'd think if the people who are rioting are calling for elections, this is not going to stop it, but we shall see.
	Now, Galaxy 4 appears to be lost in space permanently.
	Permanently.
	And so, what I hear is, the plan is to move Galaxy 6 into Galaxy 4's location.
	And, um, Get service back up and going in five or maybe six days.
	Guess who the big loser was with Galaxy 4 going down?
	You got it.
	The drug dealers.
	Street-level drug dealers, according to Reuters, may have been the biggest losers when a satellite glitch silenced the pagers that pushers use to connect with customers, police, and one former drug dealer say.
	The war on drugs is a failure.
	This pager mishap is better than anything the government could do.
	A recently reformed methamphetamine manufacturer and user says, Pager service interrupted last night to 80 to 90 percent of the nation's 45 million pagers when a satellite owned by Pan Am Sat suddenly lost track of Earth.
	Pan Am Sat said, It's going to take about a week to restore service to everybody.
	So there you are.
	And by the way, one more item.
	Actually, I've got many, but I can only fit this in.
	With reference to General A last night, I've got a copy of a newspaper article of that specific incident.
	General A's account.
	Remember?
	The time?
	Listen to this.
	Heavenly incident lights up night sky.
	Here's how it was reported in California.
	A giant green fireball that lit up the night sky Thursday and was seen from Los Angeles to San Francisco was probably, get this, a meteor or a piece of a comet, according to Griffith Park Observatory.
	The bright fireball streaked across the sky about 8.45 p.m.
	Astronomer John Mosley said the object may have been a piece of a comet or a meteor from what is called the asteroid belt.
	One of perhaps a shattered planet somewhere between Mars and Jupiter.
	So there you are and it goes on and gives a report of some people who saw it.
	But whether or not you believe General A last night, the fact of the matter is that incident certainly did indeed occur Precisely as described.
	Again, this photograph by Ron Sprouse is damn good.
	Really, really, really is good.
	It shows an object just barely above the tree line.
	I couldn't say how far away.
	If I can get hold of Ron, he'll tell me, I'm sure.
	But on top of the hill, this has got to be a big, big object.
	Clearly in the blow-up, it is not in any way connected to the trees and separate from them.
	It is a saucer, clearly a saucer-like object.
	It's obviously not an airplane.
	I can't tell you what this is, but it's a good, reliable photograph.
	Finally, in 35mm now, I would have wished it to be closer to the camera, of course, but it was caught, nevertheless, quite clearly.
	So I would sure be interested in, and it's brand new, and I'd sure be interested in your impressions of this.
	All right, here we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art Bell?
	Yes, sir.
	Hi, my name's Rodney.
	I'm a first-time caller from Florida.
	Welcome.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	I'm turning my computer down now.
	There.
	All right.
	Call them about the satellite picture that you're not sure what it is.
	Everybody says it's an atomic bomb explosion.
	Oh, that picture.
	This or that, we called it.
	Yes.
	You know, I'm looking at that thing, and what I see is a satellite image of a flying saucer.
	Well, I don't see that, but I guess, you know, if you look at something, you can see anything.
	I don't know.
	If it was an atomic explosion, the trees underneath would be blowing to the side, right?
	Well, it would depend on when they caught it.
	If they caught the instant of the detonation, maybe not.
	So I don't know.
	And how could a shadow be underneath an atomic explosion if an atomic explosion is that bright?
	Well, it could be.
	In other words, the instant of the detonation would create something that would block sunlight, that's for sure.
	I don't know.
	I'm not saying it's an atomic explosion.
	I don't know what the hell it is.
	Okay, but everybody was guessing atomic explosion.
	I just saw something different.
	That's because some people drive white cars and some people drive blue cars.
	Okay.
	So, I appreciate your assessment.
	Okay, thank you very much.
	Right, you take care.
	And let's see if we can squeeze one in real quick.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	How you doing, Art?
	I was just wondering what your outtake on the solar flare-ups are.
	This is Tony in Denver.
	Well, we're in the Ascension portion of Solar Cycle 23.
	Uh, whether it's going to be a normal solar cycle, uh, far above normal or not, I don't know.
	My guess would be it's going to be way above normal.
	Okay.
	Thanks.
	You're welcome.
	All right.
	The ET listen frequency, ET call us frequency is 6.890 megahertz.
	6890.
	Those of you with the receivers hook them up.
	Get a tape going and you're going to want to be recording on that frequency because if they're out there and they can hear me, well, let's rock.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	This is a remix of the original song.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	Good morning everybody!
	I'm Art Bell and we are conducting the grand experiment tonight.
	Somebody sends the following to me from Source Ferrell's Confidential Frequency List.
	He says that 6890 MHz belongs to VJT in Australia, BGH94 in China, CLN47 in Cuba, and no co-letters at all in Zaire.
	So, basically they don't seem to be using it.
	It seems to be empty.
	It is going to be our listen frequency.
	I listened carefully to a bunch of frequencies looking for a good clear one and this is definitely a good clear one.
	It's 6.890 MHz.
	6890.
	And we want everybody with a receiver to get as much antenna out there as you can and listen very closely because if you are out there, and you know who you are, then we would presume you would have the ability to transmit on a frequency of this sort.
	And if you can discern what I am saying with the millions and millions of watts I am transmitting, then we are listening for you on 6890.
	ET call Earth.
	That issue aside, again, I'm beginning to get already remarkable answers on this photograph I have uplinked, provided by Ron Sprouse in Hawaii.
	I think it's Kanahoe, Hawaii, K-A-N, E-O-H-E, Hawaii.
	And Ron, thank you.
	It is one of the most remarkable photographs I have ever seen.
	And that is up on the website right now, so you're definitely going to want to take a look.
	And I want your feedback on it.
	At any rate, we will continue in a moment.
	Well, alright.
	Again, all of you out there, anybody with a shortwave receiver, we are having a mass listen on 6.890, 6890 megahertz.
	If they are out there, then it is entirely reasonable that if they wish to be known, they could certainly transmit.
	My voice and my invitation to do so would be going into space Sailing right past the crippled Galaxy 4 satellite, and on out at the speed of light.
	So if there's anybody anywhere nearby, 6890 appears to be the frequency.
	It's clear.
	Even if you're able, do not transmit on there.
	We want to listen and see if we can hear anything extraterrestrial.
	And I'm assuming that many of you will be recording on that frequency as well, just in case.
	We will continue this experiment over the next 48 hours.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi Art.
	My name is John.
	I'm in Pasadena, California.
	Hi John.
	And I had sent you a couple of faxes and I wanted to see if you got them.
	They're in regard to the fact that I'm a contact for Robert the Dimension Shifter, as you called him.
	Robert the Dimension Shifter.
	You remember he called you and told you what... Yes, I recall.
	Okay, and I was wondering if you had gotten my faxes because I can put you in touch with him anytime after tonight actually.
	He's not available tonight, but he will be available tomorrow and on.
	Well, then you should fax me a number where I can get a hold of him.
	I already have.
	I've sent you... As a matter of fact, I sent you a fax this morning.
	You did?
	Uh-huh.
	I would have remembered that, so try it again.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	You bet.
	Yes, Robert, the dimension shifter.
	We'll see.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	All right, Art Bell.
	How you doing?
	I made it again.
	Yes, sir.
	Mark from West Dallas, Wisconsin.
	Yes, sir.
	Third time, it's my pleasure to speak to you again.
	Glad to have you.
	Ah, I hope you're in a good mood.
	Fine.
	I've got the question of the day for ya.
	Okay.
	Uh, is it safe to come near Pahrump, Nevada?
	Cause your son's a pedestrian again?
	Or should we not come near Pahrump?
	Well, only if you're afraid of walking teens.
	Ah, did he get in trouble with the law by any chance?
	Um, no, this was um, this was one of those situations where he was all by himself, doing something really stupid, And, um, he had nothing or nobody, just rolled his car.
	Okay.
	I'm just a concerned parent like yourself, and I've got a 15-year-old, 15-and-a-half-year-old.
	Well, I was terrified when it occurred, but of course, now since nobody has a scratch, I'm simply mournful of that car I took such good care of.
	Oh, okay.
	That's good.
	Ah, Boston Space.
	Yes.
	Excellent movie.
	Did you have a chance to see it?
	No.
	Why are you asking?
	I didn't even like the series.
	I thought it was dumb.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, it's really a good movie.
	I think it'd be worth an afternoon for yourself.
	Is it serious or a comedy?
	Semi-serious and a little comic.
	Well, that's kind of like the original.
	Right.
	Third thing, and then I'll let you get back to the rest of everybody.
	All right.
	Remember the sounds from The Gate from Hell?
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Here's the next question of the day.
	If you could get the guys who could build the channel, And they built you a nice elevator shaft.
	Would I go down?
	Would you go down?
	Who would you take with you?
	And what would you take with you?
	Well, the answer to your first is hell no.
	The answer to your second is I would send somebody.
	I've got several people in mind.
	Okay.
	And that's about it.
	And what was the third part of that?
	What would you take with... Who would you take with you?
	What would you take with you?
	And...
	Well, I would think the person I would send would need an asbestos suit.
	Ah, okie dokie.
	Thank you very much.
	Going to hell, going straight to hell, not passing go.
	Ah, yes indeed.
	No, I wouldn't go down.
	No, of course I wouldn't go down.
	And by the way, while we're on the subject of holes, I've got a new article here, if I can find it.
	Here it is.
	Local geologist finds deep hole.
	The mines closed in 1986.
	In 1990, three teens were found dead in the main corridor, then nothing.
	We had been hoping for an opportunity to explore the old cavern for several years, said Dr. Glenn Quantstrom, professor of geology at Creekside Community College, wherever that is.
	But regional authorities were skittish considering the history of the place.
	The history includes several sudden cave-ins and poison gas.
	That aside, last week Dr. Kostrom received permission to explore the abandoned mine shafts.
	Long a source of long local curiosity and legend.
	But no legend could compare with what Dr. Kostrom's team found.
	There must, he said, be a bottom.
	But we just haven't found it yet.
	The team was unprepared for such a deep hole, but did lower two miles.
	I repeat, two miles of makeshift line down it.
	It would have taken more if we had it, said one of the diggers with the team.
	This is really exciting stuff.
	Dr. Kostrom is not quite as vocal about it, but is obviously excited to explore further.
	So there you go, a two-mile deep hole.
	And they're going to continue, this is in Concord, California, they are going to continue to try and determine exactly how deep it is.
	It's a newspaper article.
	And so if you think these hole stories are bogus, you are wrong.
	They are absolutely Real.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Art Bell, my good friend.
	Yes, hello.
	Let me give the old Ron Brown treatment to this radio.
	All right.
	That's done this, the old Kansas conservative.
	You're getting rid of your favorite federal radio.
	Yeah.
	Made it shut up, didn't I?
	Yeah.
	Anyhow, I was just wondering, if you do hear anything on this particular frequency, how are you boys going to figure out where it came from?
	Well, of course, there is no specific way to do so, and the moment we get anything real on that frequency, a hit, in Bell's experiment, we would, of course, turn it over to SETI.
	Wouldn't it be funny if, I'm sure you've listened to CNN a lot of times, because I've heard you say so, and you know James Earl Jones.
	Yes, I'm a CNN fanatic.
	Well, I've got my announcer.
	He's pretty good.
	He's pretty close.
	Oh, he's fantastic.
	He just makes you shiver when he gives your breaks here for you.
	What did you do with GEO?
	Did you junk it or are you still good at it?
	I've got my announcer, he's pretty good, he's pretty close.
	Oh, he's fantastic.
	He just makes you shiver when he gives you breaks here for you.
	What did you do with GEO?
	Did you junk it or do you still get it?
	Well, it is sitting in a rather sad, squashed, stationary position at the moment while we
	try and decide what to do.
	I'll tell you what, if you'll give your fax number here a little bit later, because I
	don't have a pencil in my hand right now.
	Yes, I do too have one.
	I'll send you a fax tomorrow.
	I'll make you an offer.
	How's that?
	The weather in Kansas looks like a beautiful day in LA today.
	Yeah, that's what I'm hearing.
	It's pretty awful what's going on down there and we're not being told.
	If we just had some palm trees, you could think you were in sunny Southern California.
	Thanks for the call.
	You mean smoggy Southern California.
	Weird.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Hey, why don't we put Steve Benson down that hole?
	That sounds like the source of a reasonable cartoon to me.
	I just was sitting here thinking about that, and I figured it might be a good idea.
	Not bad, sir.
	Hey, how are you doing otherwise?
	I'm just fine.
	I'm in the middle of my giant experiment here.
	Right-o.
	Well, good luck with the experiment.
	Do you have a shortwave receiver?
	No, I sure don't.
	I gotta buy one of those fun jeans, huh?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, need one.
	Alright.
	Okay, thanks.
	Thanks.
	We will continue this experiment for 48 hours.
	48 hours.
	The frequency, again, is 6.890. 6890.
	And I want everybody with a portable radio and any kind of antenna, the best you can muster, to be listening intently on that frequency, and recording if you can, over the next 48 hours, for who knows what we may hear.
	6890.
	It is reasonable to assume that my voice, particularly on the FM band, Abadam as well is zooming right on out into space at the speed of light and if anybody is out there or in the nearby vicinity a request to transmit on a certain frequency I've never heard anybody do it before so I thought why not our own little SETI program our own little SETI program and on a frequency in which most of my listeners can listen if you've got shortwave
	6.890.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	What show is this?
	This is Art Bell's show.
	Art Bell, this is Art.
	Yes.
	Great, I just had a question for you.
	Okay.
	Where are you?
	I'm in, oh, I'm sorry, Seattle, Washington.
	Seattle, all right.
	And actually, I live in Fort Orchard, but it's easier to know where Seattle is.
	When they drop those cameras down the holes, Why don't they drop a camera and a light down there so they can see where they're going?
	You're talking about this hole I just talked about?
	Yeah.
	Well, it makes sense to me.
	But I mean, all you're going to see is as far as the light can penetrate and then darkness.
	You're already talking about being down two miles.
	That's true.
	I don't know, what is so fascinating about holes in the ground?
	I don't know what's in it.
	Until you get there.
	What would even create a hole that deep?
	Probably water erosion or volcanic activity.
	These are all really, really, really good questions.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	All right, sir.
	I sincerely appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Thank you and take care.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Oh, wow.
	How cool.
	Uh-huh-huh.
	As some of you may or may not know...
	Gee, I'll use the line they use on CNN.
	It's called The Art of Talk.
	It's going to be a big book.
	wife laughing in the other room. I wrote a book about myself, you know, my life and all
	that and it has been updated and is going to be back out in August. It's called The
	Art of Talk. It's going to be a big book. In the first book, the manager that I had
	in Las Vegas at KDWN Radio, which is where I really got my start doing this program,
	did not get us a photograph.
	She promised to get us one and didn't get us one.
	That would be Claire Reese.
	And by golly, by gum, here it is.
	My wife just handed it to me, a picture of Claire Reese.
	It is going to go in the new book that's going to be out in August.
	Here she is, Claire Reese.
	As a matter of fact, I had to put this up on the website.
	I could talk hours about Claire, and I'm sure she could talk hours about me, too.
	It was a very unusual relationship for a lot of years.
	She's a great lady, one of the meanest ladies I ever met.
	If you're a mean lady, I'll tell you why.
	You don't want to get in that lady's way.
	She'll mow you over like a errant weed.
	Anyway, I've got her photograph.
	Thank you, Claire.
	Just got it.
	West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, Art.
	How are you tonight?
	I'm okay.
	Yeah.
	Arkhorn in southeast British Columbia.
	Yes, sir.
	I've got an ecological disaster to report.
	Uh-oh.
	Yeah.
	Okanogan Lake, south central British Columbia.
	There's over 50,000 salmon killed.
	My God, by what?
	Well, I heard the news on the radio yesterday and today, and they claim it's not an environmental situation.
	In other words, there's no spill or anything like that.
	However, the city of Vernon, which is at the north end of the lake, does empty its treated sewage into the lake.
	Now, whatever that means, treated sewage.
	Well, that means sewage that has the oomph taken out of it, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Probably something like that.
	Anyway, it covers approximately the top one-sixth to one-fifth of the lake.
	25 kilometers.
	Would you drink a big old glass of treated sewage?
	I wouldn't even go swimming.
	No, no.
	They say it's quite safe.
	They suspect that it's viral or bacterial.
	Well, usually the guys who run these sewage treatment plants are the first to deny that it is them, right?
	Oh, absolutely.
	So why doesn't everybody write a letter to this guy and suggest that he, for demonstration purposes, Drink a tall, full, cool glass of treated sewage.
	Yeah, right.
	To make us all feel safe.
	They treat us all like mushrooms.
	They grow mushrooms in the dark, and you know what?
	They feed them.
	That's about it.
	All right, sir.
	I appreciate the call.
	I'll keep you posted if there's anything new.
	All right, thank you.
	And once again, it is the great experiment.
	Hear me, folks.
	Anybody with a shortwave radio out there, and I'm sure some of you have got one, This should have occurred to me a long time ago.
	Caller, to be honest, gave me this idea last week, and I thought, God, what a great idea!
	If they are out there, within any reasonable distance, a transmission on 6890 would not be a problem for them.
	Right?
	And a way to let us know they are there.
	Correct?
	So, I want all of you listening on 6.890 MHz Recording, if possible, so that if we get something, we get some proof of it.
	Well, Claire Reese, thank you for sending that photograph, and it may just make it in under the publication deadline for the next issue of my book.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
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	Once again, here I am.
	Good morning, everybody.
	In a moment, Professor Dixon from Hawaii, and he'll be talking about, along with other things, supernova from experimentation.
	Supernovas in the basement.
	Great, huh?
	We'll see what he means by that in a moment.
	The Sanjean... Oh, first, let me...
	Once again, say, we are conducting a great experiment.
	Kind of a... kind of a SETI experiment of our own, if you will.
	I have picked a clear frequency in the shortwave spectrum, 6890 specifically, 6.890, in the shortwave spectrum.
	And we are going to listen for any transmission from anywhere else, you know, out there.
	Now, many of my listeners have shortwave radios.
	If you do, over the next 48 hours, listen intently on 6890, 6.890, and let's see what you hear, and let's see what you're able to record.
	48 hours of solid listening, folks.
	Paul William Dixon was born in New York City August 1st, 1936, educated at Blackburn College,
	received his Bachelor of Arts degree in English in 1960, went on to receive a Master's degree
	in 1963 and a Doctorate in 1966 in Experimental Psychology from the University of Hawaii, where
	he developed a lifelong love of the land and the people there.
	Easily understandable.
	He accepted a position as Professor of Psychology at the University of Hawaii at Hilo in 1965 and has remained to this day, having held the position of Chairman for the College of Arts and Sciences and Chairman of the Psychology Department, as well as serving on a number of committees during the ensuing years in 71 and 2.
	Dr. Dixon was a visiting Professor of Psychology at Sophia University in Tokyo, Japan.
	Now, he is currently listed in Who's Who in America, as well as the latest edition of Who's Who in the world.
	He has been, I believe, nominated for a Nobel Prize, or has he won one?
	Am I reading this properly?
	We'll just ask him.
	There's a lot to read here.
	He's done a lot.
	He's done research in DNA and life extension with an immortalized Autographed.
	We'll have to ask about that.
	Dr. Dixon pioneered genetic-engineered immunotherapy of cancer.
	This man has been into many, many areas of science, so obviously there are many questions we can ask him.
	Professor, welcome to the program.
	Welcome.
	Especially from Hawaii.
	Professor, were you nominated for a Nobel Prize?
	Well, I have been nominated for the Nobel Prize, I think, about three times now.
	Three times?
	About three times.
	This is for the work dealing with the topic this evening, the supernova from experimentation.
	All right, let's see what we mean by a supernova from experimentation.
	Now, a supernova, as I understand it, is the explosion of a star.
	So when you say supernova from experimentation, What do you mean?
	Well, as you know, there's a history of accidents in high energy physics.
	These accidents, if you're familiar with the field, have become increasingly large, dealing with atomic energy and things like that.
	Scientists may be killed in larger and larger areas that are then destroyed by what is called an oversight.
	in their equations. So it's only common sense, and we'll call it horse sense then,
	to understand that as these energies are now used in high-energy physics accelerators,
	the energies found that only trillionths of a second after the Big Bang, that's the origin of
	the universe. If we have a laboratory mischance, we'll call it a screw-up, this would be of the
	greatest proportions. Just one little miscalculation in an equation. That's just an oversight of
	It's called, in physics, an oversight of the equation.
	An oversight.
	If that were to occur, and a supernova were to result, there would be no review board, I guess, looking at it, huh?
	Well, the energies that are found in the sitter space, which is the sort of dimension that we could enter into, are something like ten 10 to the 126 electron volts per cubic centimeter.
	So that all the people then in modern physics have agreed that if we penetrated or made a transition then into the center space, this would be sufficient energy to produce a supernova here on Earth.
	What would happen specifically to the Earth in such a case?
	The amount of energy is sufficiently great to then vaporize the planet, the solar system, perhaps also to turn our sun into a neutron star and then to spread an explosion out to engulf the nearby stars out to the distance.
	Of about 50 light years.
	Good heavens!
	This is the standard formula for that.
	So, we would vaporize, but we would vaporize all the other planets in our system and maybe on out to 50 light years.
	So, indeed, there'd be no review board.
	There'd be no, gee, sorry about that or anything else.
	We'd simply be gone.
	Now, is it realistic?
	In other words, are there actually people doing work in this area?
	Well, the main laboratory now in the world, this is Fermilab, which is in the suburbs of Chicago.
	This is the world's largest accelerator.
	It's now scheduled to increase its energies by tenfold, up to 20 trillion electron volts by 1999.
	You can easily find this site on the Internet to look at Fermilab, and you might Be able to sign up for a seminar.
	So my suggestion under these circumstances is that we need to examine this barrier, the potential barrier, between De Sitter Space and our continuum before we have a transition to De Sitter Space.
	What is this?
	You keep calling it.
	Would you spell that for me?
	S-I-T-T-E-R.
	De Sitter Space.
	Yeah, De Sitter.
	So the universe now is called the Einstein-De Sitter Universe.
	That's its technically correct name.
	So you have the Einstein part that we are resident in, and then you have De Sitter.
	His space then surrounds our universe.
	And it also, in a strange sense, touches our universe It's another dimension.
	So there's a kind of potential barrier between our space and the sitter space.
	And if you make a hole into it, then you're going to have this sort of backlash of very great energy.
	Is the sitter space essentially another dimension?
	It's another dimension.
	I believe you've had Ichigo Kaku, a great physicist.
	Dr. Michio Kaku, who says there are 10 and now possibly even 11 other dimensions.
	So he would be very familiar with these ideas and the center space then is recognized as one of these dimensions and has a lot of energy in it.
	So there are actually people then using accelerators What are they trying to accomplish?
	In other words, I doubt they're trying to accomplish, hopefully they're not trying to accomplish, a supernova.
	They're obviously working towards some other goal that you are worried will result in the possibility of a supernova.
	What are they doing?
	Well, the ongoing problems that they're looking at have to do with the description of the particles We haven't actually seen a quark yet, have we?
	symmetrical relationships amongst the particles like leptons and quarks, trying to look at
	quarks and how they constitute particles.
	We haven't actually seen a quark yet, have we?
	No, they're bound within the particles, but you can sort of deduce their presence by splitting
	other particles, and in this way you might be able then to understand the building blocks
	of the universe.
	you So that the use then of the accelerator is just this to understand the building blocks of the universe.
	So as we look at these little tiny things, sorry to interrupt these quirks or whatever else we're looking at, How is it possible that we might, by mistake, stumble into the creation of a hole, if you will, and a supernova-type explosion?
	Well, the understanding in physics, then, is that there's this very large potential barrier between our continuum and the center of space.
	So, if we break or puncture this potential barrier, Then we would release this energy on Earth so that I think in everyday language this would be a side effect of the experiment.
	So they're looking for one thing and then they would discover this other energy.
	That frequently occurs in science.
	Yes, it's again this oversight in their equations.
	Have you actually established that looking, have you actually looked at their equations And established professor, you believe this is indeed possible?
	I think everyone who is knowledgeable in this field would concur, would agree that this is indeed possible.
	The only counter-argument I have received from those knowledgeable in the field is that this might be a small supernova.
	Well, a small supernova might only go out 10 light years.
	Wouldn't matter much to us, would it?
	I don't think so.
	How close are they to beginning the level of experiments that would begin to enter this realm?
	Well, again, this is my concern.
	We have all of the equations.
	They're very well known.
	The parameters are well known.
	So my suggestion We take these equations and use computer simulations to look at the barrier between the center space and our continuum.
	That's our space-time.
	Look at these equations very, very carefully and determine beforehand what the dangers are, rather than just blindly plunge your head into the unknown.
	Isn't that what we usually do?
	I mean, I recall back to the first detonation of an atomic bomb and I think that a substantial number of the scientists involved in the project were concerned that there might be a chain reaction in our atmosphere virtually burning us up.
	Yes, that's correct.
	And so there is a similar concern here with even a bigger result.
	And I think that we have to Take a look then at your equations very carefully and have the results of this presented to the public.
	The general public should be made aware of this.
	Many of my dear friends here in the university have said they want to be appraised of this.
	They're knowledgeable people and they are concerned.
	They'd like to be appraised of all these findings.
	And then the results of these very careful studies should be placed in reviewed journals And then there should be a debate as to its safety, and we should go through it as you do a normal question in science.
	And in this way, everyone would be satisfied.
	But now we're just sort of going ahead willy-nilly, and you can never do that, as you know, in the real world.
	But isn't that what we usually do?
	And I'll cite another example.
	In California recently, and God knows I feel sorry for anybody with AIDS, But they completely destroyed an AIDS patient's immune system and attempted to replace it with the immune system of a baboon.
	Now, I don't know a lot about genetics, but I know enough that that sort of worries me.
	In other words, there could be some sort of transfer, it seems to me, from animal to human of something that we wouldn't much like were it to occur.
	And they went ahead and just did that and announced it to the world after they did it.
	And I complained about that bitterly at the time, saying, listen, if this could possibly affect all of us, then it seems to me there should be good scientific and public review of this sort of thing before we plunge ahead.
	Well, I think this is the very cautious approach that you would find then.
	Among serious scientists, they would like to see all of the various measures, the various parameters carefully outlined.
	We know then that there's a possibility of forming a throat.
	This is what is called a throat 2, another dimension.
	This has been published recently in Physics Review, the most noted journal in the area.
	So we know then that there is the possibility of having this kind of a throat or hole then into the sitter space. We know this is true. We
	should then assess the possibilities and the probabilities forming this kind of pathway to these
	energies.
	Do you believe that the Big Bang in fact was as advertised something smaller than a quark
	suddenly instantly becoming all that we now know and can see out 12 billion years or whatever
	I think so.
	I think this is the accepted model now in standard physics.
	It could have been then not just a point, but a wave action of some sort.
	That would be the modern refinement, but there's enough evidence.
	I think it was Wilson and Penzias then received the Nobel Prize for finding the residual I just find that difficult.
	frequency left over from the big bang and so they really discovered this they
	were built telephone laboratory scientists and they found this with their huge horn antenna
	there in the creek near princeton and new jersey and uh... sure enough
	that was worthy of the nobel prize so i think there's enough evidence for that
	i just find that difficult is there any way to explain to the layman
	in some words we can understand how something smaller than a quark which we have not yet even really seen
	becomes all of this Is there any way to explain that so we could understand it?
	Well, I think that the real quality of energy that we're dealing with, the level of energy, is something which is outside of the That's right.
	the ordinary understanding of most people.
	There was recently, I think within the last week, there was a story in our local newspaper
	showing then that in some distant galaxy there was a point that blinked on for a few seconds
	and this outshone the entire universe for those few seconds.
	And they actually are saying it was competitive with the power of the Big Bang itself.
	Yes, so again the article I think was quite clear in indicating that none of the standard
	models within black hole understanding, none of these kinds of models then had a hope of
	explaining it.
	But my notion that you could occasionally have this sort of transition to the sitter
	space would easily explain that.
	Professor, alright, stand by.
	We are at the bottom of the hour.
	My guest is Professor Paul W. Dixon.
	And he is very, very serious.
	Chicago, huh?
	Right in the middle of the country.
	Not that it would matter.
	Because one little mistake in one equation could actually produce, here on Earth, In the Chicago area, a supernova that would more or less vaporize us and most things out to about 50 light years.
	How warm and fuzzy does it make you feel?
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	I mean, it's better than other guys though.
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	My guest is Professor Paul W. Dixon from the University of Hawaii at Hilo.
	And he is very serious.
	He is suggesting that experiments about to go on in Chicago could, with miscalculation, produce a supernova.
	A little tearing between our space and something called de Sitter space that would release energy equivalent to a supernova, not only vaporize Earth and our Sun, our system, but perhaps everything to 50 light years out.
	It'd be a real big oops.
	Don't forget our experiment 6890, our little SETI experiment.
	We are all listening on 6.890 megahertz.
	If you hear anything, we want to know about it.
	All right.
	My guest again, Professor Paul W. Dixon.
	And here is a facts professor.
	If your guest is right, does creating a transition to de Sitter space create energy out of nothing?
	Is that in effect what it is doing?
	If so, people in the far distant future could use the method to keep producing energy virtually forever, outliving the dying stars in the far distant future, true immortality, limited by nothing.
	Is that a reasonable hypothesis?
	Well, I would say that in the sense that the energy is there, it's not creating the energy Out of nothing, you would just be plugging into it.
	So I have advanced the idea that Type Ia supernovae are caused by other civilizations which reach a high level of civilization, something that we are attempting to do.
	So you agree with Professor Kaku regarding the levels of civilizations?
	Yes, you could.
	Our level then might be the terminal level, unless you have someone warning you, as you have here, because you would then inadvertently perform this kind of experiment, whereupon that would be the end of your civilization.
	So before you learned how to tap into the power available there, you would certainly open the hole that would do you in.
	Second question, same faxer.
	If a bunch of guys at Fermilab might create such a transition, shouldn't it happen in nature?
	Nature makes some pretty big explosions, too.
	If two neutron stars crashed, why doesn't this create energies on the order that your guest is speaking of?
	In short, is there any evidence that these de Sitter explosions occur in nature?
	If we can do it, nature ought to be able to.
	And if nature does not, I'm sure I'm not so sure that we can.
	It's a reasonable question.
	Now, this explosion detected the other day.
	Would that be evidence or possible evidence, in your opinion, of exactly that kind of explosion?
	Well, in what I'm talking about, our supernova, we have then the Type 1a supernova, which is what I am describing.
	These are then two and a half times larger than the other supernova.
	We'll say these are the ones in nature.
	They come from larger objects, about ten or more solar masses that implode, and they cause the Type II supernova.
	They're actually smaller, even though they come from a much larger mass.
	Now, the smaller ones, the ones that I think are generated by intelligent beings, much like ourselves, these smaller ones then, Show no trace of hydrogen at maximum light or luminosity.
	So for these kinds of events, as the Type Ia supernova, there seems to be no better explanation for these vast explosions than from experimentation in high-energy physics by intelligent beings much like ourselves.
	So again, in answer to that question, nature then, through the implosion of the type 2 supernova.
	This is 10 or more solar masses, and there's a lot of hydrogen there.
	These are very big objects.
	They then produce also supernovae.
	So we have small objects producing the energy of a supernova.
	They show no hydrogen.
	When they explode, they come from things smaller than something called the Chandrasekhar limit, even 0.7 solar masses.
	And then they're very much larger.
	You frankly, you're coming on the air with me because you consider there to be a genuine, fairly near-term danger of this.
	Is that correct?
	of their ability to withstand the weight of the nature of the implode.
	So that's a very good question, I like that.
	You frankly, you're coming on the air with me because you consider there to be a genuine,
	fairly near-term danger of this, is that correct?
	That's correct.
	How near-term?
	Well, this would be, again, if you can easily access this on your internet, you can then look at the website for Fermilab, and then there's another website for CERN, capital C-E-R-N, all capitals, and you can see then that they are telling us on these websites that the energies now employed are one trillionth of a second energies after the Big Bang, the explosion at the origin of
	the universe.
	So I would say that we're already clearly pushing a kind of limit and we should stand
	back and take a look at it before we just proceed unwittingly over the edge, as it were.
	How likely do you consider it to be that Type 0 civilizations, which I guess we are, that's
	what Professor Kaku suggests we are, what are the odds as we reach this precipice that
	you're talking about that we deal with it wisely versus plunging ahead and creating
	the end?
	you Well, I think it was the very famous astronomer Carl Sagan who, in answer to that question, said that we have a number of ways whereby we can terminate ourselves as our
	Experimentation our knowledge of nature increases by leaps and bounds and yet we're we're not really knowledgeable of the limits of things that we could Terminate our existence and become extinct as a species Much as I think it's something like 99% of all previous species have become extinct.
	So I would concur I would agree then with Professor Carl Sagan is saying that we have already reached this kind of threshold and we should simply be very careful in our further activity.
	Alright.
	You mentioned a couple of websites.
	Would you again give the address because we can get links up to those very quickly.
	Well, I don't exactly have the information, but you have the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory.
	That's within the city limits of Chicago, and you can easily access that.
	It's Fermilab.
	F-E-R-M-I-L-A-B.
	Alright.
	And then the other website is also easily locatable.
	It's CERN.
	Capital C. Capital E. Capital R. Capital N. CERN.
	Alright.
	My webmaster, I'm sure, is listening, and we'll go after these right away.
	And you say that even on their own websites, Do they actually deal with the possibility that you are discussing tonight outright?
	No, I don't think so.
	But I have, I think a couple of years ago, I stood outside of the Fermilab, right south of Chicago, and myself and my college friends, I went to college in central Illinois, as you mentioned earlier, and my college buddies and I Stood out in front of Fermilab and waved signs.
	And all of the scientists from the ring, that's the circular accelerator, came out into the public way there and discussed the higher level physics with us.
	It was very exciting.
	We did that for two days in July.
	So I would say that they're aware of our questions.
	And I would like to see these questions then examined by the general public.
	And also, uh, shall we say, put through a review journal process of careful examination.
	And then when everyone is, uh, has carefully decided on the safety or lack of safety, we can go ahead or not go ahead, uh, as we deem fit.
	Well, Professor, I can assure you the general public is not aware because when I saw the subject we were going to be talking about this evening, I said, huh?
	Supernova from experimentation?
	Now I'm not, I'm not a physics student, but I talk to a lot of people like yourself, and this has never been raised before as an issue, so I can assure you the general public is not aware of even this possibility.
	You are just now telling them.
	This is why I want to thank you very, very much for bringing this to the attention of the general public.
	Well, it's one more thing to worry about.
	We've got the bomb, we've got chemical and biological warfare, we've got lots of things to worry about, and now we've got the ultimate thing to worry about, and that would simply blink us out instantly.
	We would never have any warning, nor know that it's coming, nor, I suppose, with the people doing the experimentation.
	What specific kind of experimentation are you most concerned about?
	In other words, What could they do to suddenly produce this in error?
	Well, at the current moment, they're in Fermilab.
	They are going to shut the accelerator down for about half a year.
	So this next half a year, it will be shut down.
	And they're going to construct a bevatron, which will enable them to increase the energy level by tenfold.
	So before they turn this on and Central Illinois, I think we should then have this kind of logical and careful discussion of the various possibilities.
	I take it that prior to going on a public forum like this one, Professor, you must have engaged in some high-level communication with the people at the lab.
	What kind of answer do you get?
	Well, as we stood out in front of the Fermilab and the various scientists came and spoke with us, we again discussed these matters.
	Just as we now are on the air and again the same conclusion was reached and they agreed that Possibly I should actually present my ideas in their physics Congress's international meetings This is where this kind of discussion should occur But I would like to then bring the general public into this since everyone's concerned at this point I would like to see everyone then and have a look at uh... the decision being made
	since their welfare is intimately involved in these decisions we can't uh...
	simply assume that everything will go well i think everyone follows the thinking of carl sagan were on the precipice
	in many many areas as you just mentioned and we have to be very careful
	there could be a regional nuclear war for example between india and pakistan
	that i believe the majority of the world might suffer but would survive
	With what you're talking about, it's just instant extinction of everything.
	That's it.
	Gone.
	That's correct.
	Now, is there any evidence of any explosion that we have seen or witnessed astronomically that, other than the one we talked about a little while ago, that would seem to be what we're talking about here, either in nature or The type 1a supernovae then have one of the very curious kinds of things associated with them.
	You have the very famous scientist Superman Shadrassikar, who is a A very well-known physicist received the Nobel Prize in Physics.
	And he demonstrated then that in order for a sun to implode, that is to make a kind of explosion, or the beginnings of an explosion, it had to reach 1.4 solar masses.
	That is about one and a half times the mass of our sun.
	And some of these, the Type Ia supernovae then are at the level of 0.7.
	That would be about half of the mass needed to reach the Chandrasekhar limit.
	So this is very troublesome then to the physicists.
	But again, I had a very dear friend who was a physicist.
	And I explained to him how I had been instrumental in stopping the development at Superconducting supercollider in Texas.
	He was very angered by this because he felt that no matter what the dangers were... You had a lot to do with stopping that?
	I had submitted my papers then to members of Congress.
	Here I thought that the reason it was stopped was money.
	Well, that was the kind of feeling That was presented, I feel, through the press.
	But if you read the scientific literature, they said, well, everything was going very smoothly.
	It was speeding on its way through Congress with no opposition, when suddenly it was stopped, and no one could quite understand that.
	And you're saying it's not all money.
	Yeah, it was some knowledge, then, of these possibilities.
	I had also communicated earlier with the governor of Texas.
	And so the provision then made by the state of Texas was that if the development of the superconducting supercollider was not more than halfway, which it wasn't, then the state of Texas very cleverly said we get everything.
	And they did.
	They got all of the factories and the tunnel and everything.
	Here's another fact.
	Dear Art, I agree with Professor Kaku that the source of the gamma ray blast detected on December 14th, 12 billion light years from Earth, could indeed be the collision of two massive black holes.
	Stephen Hawking postulates that separation of black holes after such a collision would create wormholes that could be used for space travel.
	I'd like to ask Dr. Dixon's opinion about the theoretical physics of creating wormholes via two artificial Black holes, absent a singularity, then displaced in space, but connected by hyperphysics, could be used for space travel of an advanced civilization similar to that used in the movie Contact.
	Could that be done?
	Well, if you look at a recent article in the Physics Review, it showed then that the very large sizes needed for, say, space travel could be theoretically Understood from the point of view of physics and also mathematics so that I would say that as far as Theory of going from one place to another and also time travel would also be a theoretically Possible with the use of the white hole as it's called on the other hand it will take quite a while to develop that because the the action of gravity and other forces within a
	The white hole would be very intense.
	You might not survive it, but perhaps an inanimate object could pass through.
	Well, in the creation of the atomic bomb, we have not only used two in anger, but we have detonated many, many, many tests, the most recent being by India.
	So, if we look at the possibility of a de Sitter space penetration, Um, it's almost incomprehensible to imagine it could be done and we won't do it.
	Again, this is what many people have said.
	Well, we have a kind of tendency, a sort of tendency then in our species to sort of plunge ahead, right?
	That's what you're saying?
	Yes, sir.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And regardless of any consequences.
	And so I'm saying then, in the light of our understanding of the center space, we should take some time out to consider it before we plunge ahead.
	I think it's only then the weight of public opinion, which can Stop this kind of development.
	If everyone is concerned, then it will be stopped.
	Well, I can tell you I'm concerned.
	I guess the next question, obvious question, is what can the public do?
	The public who is barely beginning to understand this.
	Actually, we are at the top of the hour, Professor, so relax for about ten minutes.
	We'll be right back to you.
	A professor Paul W. Dixon is my guest, and we will be right back.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	And my guest is Professor Paul W. Dixon.
	I'm going to try and encapsulize this for you, those of you joining at this hour.
	But it is absolutely a remarkable thing, he's telling me.
	I've never heard it before, and so I suspect you never have either.
	But going on now in Chicago is the building of, I guess, an accelerator, I guess that's the way to put it, that will actually have the possibility of creating here on Earth, if there is a miscalculation easily made, a supernova which would not only vaporize our planet completely, but vaporize virtually everything out to about 50 light years.
	Are we kidding?
	Is he kidding?
	No.
	Three times nominated for a Nobel Prize.
	He apparently had quite a bit to do with stopping the accelerator in Texas.
	And now he is very, very concerned about what's going on in Chicago at the Fermilab, where they are building this new, faster, greater, more powerful machine, accelerator, I guess.
	And I'm a little weak on that point.
	We'll check in a moment.
	But he is very, very serious.
	And we could be literally months away from extinction as a planet, as a system.
	And he's trying to warn the world.
	And that's why he's here.
	I will get back to him in a moment.
	Well that really is odd.
	For some reason, I cannot seem to get back to the professor the number provided here.
	All of a sudden is not going through.
	Isn't that strange?
	I've had some of the strangest stuff happen to me as a talk show host, particularly when I'm doing this kind of interview.
	Let me try this again.
	Let's see what happens.
	We should get the professor, but let's see what we get.
	You've got to be kidding.
	You have got to be kidding.
	Now that number was working five minutes ago, folks.
	You have got to be kidding.
	You have got to be kidding.
	Now that number was working five minutes ago, folks.
	I repeat, that number was working five minutes ago.
	Now how do you figure?
	A very, very, very interesting interview with Professor Paul Dixon.
	And he's just suddenly gone.
	I just don't understand that at all.
	I guess we can try it one more time and see if we can reach him.
	This just can't be.
	The phone company has got something kind of screwed up.
	Let's see.
	Boy, I'm telling you, this is really something.
	This has happened to me over the years, I don't know, a good dozen times.
	And let's see if we can get the professor.
	Hi, Professor Dixon.
	Stand by a second.
	I think that I've got him back.
	Really odd stuff.
	Alright, Professor Dixon, are you there?
	I am here.
	Alright, something really odd happened and we lost connection.
	I see.
	And then when I dialed back, it gave me an out-of-service.
	I actually did that on the air.
	It gave me an out-of-service.
	And then when I tried it just now, finally, at 15 minutes past the hour, it was back in service.
	Really weird.
	Anyway, welcome back.
	And we do have people in Los Angeles joining us at this hour who will just be coming in cold.
	But again, going on at the Fermi Lab in Chicago, Are they building an accelerator?
	Is that what it is?
	No, the accelerator now has been going on for quite a number of years.
	I was able to communicate with the director, John Peoples Jr., Dr. John Peoples Jr., and
	we were able to keep the energies at 1.8 trillion electron volts.
	It could conceivably have gone up to 2 trillion electron volts, but I guess he was convinced
	enough by my arguments to keep it about 10 percent below its full energy for about 10
	years now.
	He's been, again, criticized in the literature for doing that, as you would well imagine,
	But now, as I think also you have mentioned, the sort of general thrust of mankind is to go ahead willy-nilly to increase the energies.
	And so they're now going to have some downtime.
	And then within a very short period of time, that's within half a year, they'll be starting up again in the, let's see, 1999 with about 10 times their current energy.
	So moving it up then.
	To about 20 trillion electron volts.
	All right, so if you were concerned enough to get him to reduce it by 10% and now they are prepared to go to 10 times the power.
	That's correct.
	This is way, way beyond obviously what you consider to be any sort of margin of safety at all.
	Is that so?
	That would be correct.
	So this is why I have a very general concern at this time that Before they, again, increase the energy that we go through a careful review process and look at it, not just, so to say, in terms of what the scientists think, but the general public should be satisfied that it is completely safe and then they can go ahead.
	All right.
	If the public wanted to express its concern about this, how would they properly do it?
	How do you apply pressure on this sort of thing?
	Well, you can call your congressman Or if in Canada, your parliamentary representative, and this way make sure that the development at Fermilab is stopped right now, and also we have the greater development at CERN in Switzerland, and this could also be halted due to public pressure.
	We have right, I think it was today, across the globe, we have President Suharto, who One of the great dictators of all time who had to step down because of public pressure.
	So I think the public should not underestimate its ability to halt this kind of thing until the public is satisfied that it's completely safe.
	Well, while that's true, I think they now have a new dictator, as opposed to elections.
	So I'm very concerned that they're going to go ahead with this anyway.
	Are they showing any signs Based on your communication and worries and what you had to say about all of this thus far, of slowing down or not doing it?
	Well, again, we look at the actual halting of the development of the SSC, the super collider in Texas, and then the ability of the director, I believe, to keep Fermilab from its full energies for about ten years, 1.8 trillion electron volts, what it could have done, too drunken.
	And so I think that there's very good evidence that the people in charge are responsive to public pressure.
	What is the, ostensibly, what is the scientific reason for going up in power the way they obviously intend to do?
	Why are they doing it?
	Well, again, we can think of this as a kind of race, actually, between the people at CERN, that's in Switzerland, and now the The people in Fermilab, because the people who have the highest energies are able to discover the top quark or the bottom quark or whatever they're looking for.
	They're able then to get the Nobel Prize, if you will, for these fundamental discoveries.
	And so we, since the CERN group, we would say, is going forward With all understanding of these possibilities going forward, we have to, in a sense, allow our scientists the chance of making fundamental discoveries.
	It's a race, a horse race, between various countries around the globe.
	A race to doomsday, possibly.
	Well, it could easily be that, and so let us at least take some time to look at the parameters And examine them through computer simulation.
	That's an easy answer.
	De Sitter Space.
	Another dimension.
	What are we to imagine in our heads?
	Can you make a word picture that might even describe what this other dimension would be like?
	Would there be time as we know it?
	Would there be planets and suns?
	As we know it here, or would it be so utterly different without time and space and matter as we understand it?
	Well, the energy density comes from the fact that the matter density is 10 raised to the 93rd power In terms of grams per cubic centimeter.
	So water is one gram per cubic centimeter at freezing.
	And we'll say if you take that and you raise that with 93 zeros after, that's the density of the sitter space.
	It's extremely dense.
	And the heat and all these other parameters are at that level.
	So it's extremely hot and extremely dense.
	And that's where the energy comes from.
	It has all those parameters.
	So there's really nothing that we have reference for to understand what De Sitter's base would be?
	If it had a breach into our continuum, then I think it would be easily imagined that it would be the force of a supernova.
	A supernova, which again would certainly quickly vaporize our planet, no problem, our sun, our system, and probably 50 light years out.
	That's correct.
	And this could occur with a small miscalculation, and it could occur, according to what you're saying, oh say, perhaps within the year?
	Within the year, right, in the sense that the new Fermilab Bevatron will be coming online, I believe, early in 1999.
	How many scientists join you in this concern?
	Well, all of the scientists I have spoken with, we have here on our island, we have the best astronomical observatories on the peak of Mauna Kea, a very large mountain.
	I've spoken then to all the astrophysicists and they all concur that if you carry on these kinds of experiments to their limit, you're going to produce a supernova.
	So there's no doubt in anybody's mind.
	I think I mentioned the only counter argument is that it would be a small supernova.
	Well, it's neither here nor there.
	To us.
	Yes, exactly.
	As you look at, is there any way mathematically of calculating the probability of that?
	I think so.
	I think that with With modern computers, and they have the equations, it would be quite possible to calculate the probability of going into the center space.
	And this is what I'm looking for.
	Again, these would be done very carefully by the leading scientists, and then published in review journals, like the journal Nature.
	And they would look at it very carefully.
	And at that point, they would say, well, it's either safe or it's not safe.
	And we could then proceed on that basis.
	That would be my My notion, I think Carl Sagan also would have agreed with that.
	We can't just plunge off of a cliff, plunge blindly into the unknown.
	We need to look at things very carefully.
	So people could contact their congressman and simply ask them to halt this now?
	You would like it halted now and a complete review done?
	Or could it go forward with a review Well, I would think that what should be done now is they should have a complete halt to further development, both here and at CERN, a complete halt to development, which would save our country a lot of money, which we need, I would say, very much for other kinds of activities.
	At this point, while we have a kind of breathing space, do very careful studies, and then we When we're fully sure of its safety, or if it's not safe, then we'll have saved a lot of money.
	You can't even make a ballpark guesstimate, should they go plunging ahead as they are now, and as they appear prepared to do, of what the chances are of disaster?
	Well, from a probability point of view, you would have to say that as we go further and
	further towards the energies found at the point of the Big Bang, as we approach that,
	we're already within trillionths of a second in terms of these energies.
	It's a surety that we would then make this kind of transition, absolute surety.
	An absolute surety?
	An absolute surety because we already have gone to a kind of limit in terms of where
	we are in terms of the energies of our universe.
	So it's a surety that we will then make a transition of this sort as we go towards these
	energies more and more.
	The energies are very high.
	They're extremely high.
	No one doubts that.
	And so we should stand back and look at it carefully.
	Would this, this would create an instantaneous explosion and in effect an opening between De Sitter Space and our Space, our universe.
	That's correct.
	Do we know then what would happen?
	Not that for us it would matter, but I mean, would it close again immediately, just emitting this instantaneous energy, or is there some possibility it might even remain open?
	Well, I've communicated then with Archibald Wheeler of Princeton University, and he has pointed out then that the white hole In terms of this kind of language, the white hole then always goes towards crunch, which means it opens, and then after a period of time, it then closes again.
	So there's a kind of a control mechanism built into the space-time.
	But it's a window then into these primordial energies, and it's not worth our while looking at it.
	Again, my unpublished works have indicated that the larger The larger events that are monopolar.
	If you look out there at quasars and galaxies which are exploding, they have monopolar.
	One single jet coming out.
	And the other objects are about five times smaller and they're bipolar.
	So they have two jets coming out.
	So the monopolar ones are then the larger ones.
	And these I say then are the windows.
	Into the sitter space.
	Holy moly.
	All right.
	Professor, hold on.
	I'm going to come back and we'll do about 30 minutes of questions from the audience, if that's all right.
	That would be fine.
	Great.
	Stay right there, please.
	Three times nominated for a Nobel, you're listening to a very serious man with an extremely serious message.
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	Well, if Professor Dixon is right, we may all be going someplace we've never gone before.
	We'll get back to him and your questions in a moment.
	Punching a hole from this to another dimension within the year.
	The result?
	Virtually a supernova of some strength.
	Here on Earth, and it really wouldn't matter to us whether it was 1A, 1, or a 2, we would be gone along with most everything around us.
	Anyway, we'll get back to the professor in a moment.
	Back now to Professor Dixon at the University of Hawaii in Hilo.
	kilo.
	And again, understand you're listening to a very, very serious man who's very sure of what he's saying.
	A man nominated three times for the Nobel Prize, a man who had something to do with stopping the accelerator in Texas because of exactly the same concern.
	Here he is.
	Professor, are you there?
	I'm here.
	All right, let's see what the public asks.
	It's not going to be easy because this is a new concept to an awful lot of people, including me.
	And just one more thing to worry about.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air with Professor Dixon.
	Hello, where are you?
	I'm one of your biggest fans listening on WREC Radio.
	I remember hearing a lot about this over the years.
	I'm a little surprised that you're not Giving your audience credit for being aware of this, because I remember not supporting the Super Collider in Texas, not only because of the danger, but because of the incredible expense.
	Well, I remember the expense issue.
	Not the danger issue, no.
	Well, I do remember months ago you had a caller call in and said something about how they
	needed to go back to studying the particle accelerators for, if I remember correctly,
	for purposes of learning how to advance in space travel.
	And I remember you, I thought, if I remember correctly, you were supportive of that.
	And I thought, God, from what all I've heard about these, you know, it could be incredibly
	risky and dangerous.
	And of course, I didn't realize how serious it could be now after learning that Professor
	Dixon.
	But what I wanted to know is if they are aware of how dangerous this is, which obviously
	they are, what could be their purpose behind taking this incredible chance?
	That's actually an awfully good question.
	Professor, if they are aware of this, why would they be plunging ahead?
	Nobel Prizes are nice, but not if you're not around to collect them.
	Well, this is, again, I have an article here which I always mail to everyone.
	It's called Quantum Tunneling Towards an Exploding Universe.
	Quantum Tunneling Towards an Exploding Universe.
	It's from the journal Nature, Theoretical Physics, April 24, 1986.
	The journal Nature, the most respected journal in the area of science.
	The title then is Quantum Tunneling Towards an Exploding Universe.
	So this is part of the everyday knowledge of People in physics.
	But the people in physics then are, I think, prone to the human qualities of denial.
	They sort of deny what may be happening, what could happen, and they want to just plunge ahead and look at their research.
	To them, as I talk with them out in front of Fermilab, it's a kind of holy quest.
	They're looking for these kinds of truths in nature, And so they're willing to take the risk.
	They may be willing to take the risk, but I don't think the average public... I don't either.
	...would share that kind of enthusiasm.
	This is why I'd like to raise this question for everyone.
	Again, it may be something I should also mention here that I've done some work in mathematics also.
	And since I can read the equations, I'm a person that is not formally trained in physics, but since I can read the equations, uh... and do that kind of work in terms of multi-dimensional
	physics uh...
	i can then understand what's going on so a person that i can understand the work
	but i'm not actually a card carrying physicist and that's why i'm i'm really
	dedicated to saving everyone from these kinds of dangers without
	having to lose my job working at the lab or cert i think i would be out on the
	street i'm sure you would uh... professor even if you can stop what's going on
	at for me who's going to stop the swiss
	Thank you.
	Well, I think the same notion as you find that with your coast-to-coast radio network, there's a large number of people who are listening to this, and they will easily communicate with people in Europe, and this will then become knowledge world-round.
	And the people in Europe are very, very active, particularly the Swiss.
	No one can imagine how active the Swiss are once they become interested in something.
	So we have nothing to worry about if we simply bring this to the general knowledge of the public.
	Professor, do you wish to give out any address for people to contact you?
	Email address or a physical address or any form of contact at all?
	Well, I have a P.O.
	Box.
	P.O.
	Box 244 Volcano, Hawaii.
	Volcano, Hawaii.
	Volcano, Hawaii.
	9-6-7-8-5?
	9-6-7-8-5.
	All right, let me give that again.
	It's Professor Paul W. Dixon, D-I-X-O-N, and it's P.O.
	Box 244 in Volcano, Hawaii.
	9-6-7-8-5.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Dixon.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Am I on the air?
	You are.
	Where are you?
	I am in Las Vegas.
	Yes, sir.
	Professor Dixon, Art said that you were nominated for Nobel Prizes in what field?
	In physics.
	In physics?
	You're a physicist?
	No, I'm not.
	He just, if you were listening, and I know you were, he just said he was not a card-carrying physicist.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you one question to kind of introduce this whole thing, to know kind of where we stand.
	What does the number 137 mean to you, Professor Dixon?
	That's, uh...
	137 is...
	Isn't that one of the ratios between the subatomic particles?
	That seems to...
	No, Professor Dixon.
	This is one of the greatest numbers in particle physics.
	So obviously, you really don't understand what you're talking about.
	Uh, you know, let's face it.
	It's the greatest number, you said, in particle physics.
	That's right.
	And what does this number?
	The director of the Fermilab, by the way, license plate number is 137.
	And it is one of the, you know, I won't get into the discussion of exactly what it means.
	Well, why not, sir?
	You asked him, so let us ask you, what does it mean?
	Okay, it is, uh, well... Yes?
	137 is the, uh... Yes?
	Um... Thanks for the call, sir.
	Have a good morning.
	Uh, first time caller line, you're on the air with Professor Dixon.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Hey, how are you?
	Fine, sir.
	Great.
	Um, he was talking about the energy and the density in that dimension, and I was wondering That through the immutable laws of the universe, would it experience a transition into our phenomenon, perhaps from the transitory laws in our dimension?
	I don't follow your question.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, when that energy from that dimension comes into our dimension, would the way that our phenomenon is, the way that we experience it, would it be hot?
	Would it change coming through that hole?
	Into our universe, because of immutable laws, things being vibration and a wave.
	That's correct.
	So would it change?
	Possibly, would it not be a bad thing?
	It would be more like primal energy, which where the galaxy is always moving, it would just be more energy that perhaps we'd be saturated with, like magnetic energy.
	I think that's how the physicists actually conceive of the supernovae.
	They call them the supernovae that are fertilizers.
	They're sort of bringing in the very heavy elements, those, I think, beyond iron.
	And so this is, from the point of view of the constituents of life, we would have to say that our planet itself is a second or third generation entity in the sense that we have heavy elements like uranium and things beyond iron.
	And so, in a general sense, we could then say the supernova are beneficial.
	We don't, I don't think, want our own supernova at this very moment.
	Okay, I understand that.
	So, is it possible that it wouldn't be bad?
	That we wouldn't be destroyed?
	Like, I'm not sure, I don't mean to bring in another subject.
	But I've read about ancient summer and they speak of a planet called Nibiru that would self-heat itself.
	And perhaps in that sense, would it just... Well, if I understand correctly, in other words, that energy could be harnessed, perhaps if we understood it.
	But more likely, at first breach, it would create this supernova.
	Right, okay, it would be a negative effect.
	So he's not saying don't do it ultimately, he's just saying... Let's think about it.
	Yes.
	I gotcha, okay, because they're doing this sort of without doing too many tests or anything.
	Something like that.
	Where are you located, sir?
	I'm in B.C.
	In British Columbia, alright.
	In Canada.
	Alright, yes, I understand.
	Thank you very much.
	And Wild Card Line, you are on the air with Professor Dixon.
	This is Curtis in San Diego.
	Hi, Curtis.
	Hey, how are you?
	Wow, this is all so crazy.
	First of all, I was going to ask you that great experiment we're supposed to be doing tonight.
	What if any of us don't have that radio?
	Well, then you can't listen.
	Well, can we like go outside and like help or something?
	Like call them down?
	Call me after one o'clock about that tomorrow.
	In the meantime, you're through to Professor Dixon.
	Do you have a question?
	Yes, I was going to ask the people that The people that are doing these things in Switzerland and Chicago, are they private people?
	Are they federally funded?
	Am I paying, are my tax dollars paying for this study?
	Good question.
	Yes, again, one of my main supporters here in Hawaii has always pointed out that not only are they risking your life, but they're using your money to do so.
	And so this is one of the reasons that I think the general public Should become involved.
	In Europe, in CERN, by treaty, I think 1% of the gross national product of most of the nations of Europe goes to this CERN activity.
	And so, again, this is a tax money, the public tax money, which is being supported by the general public.
	So, again, your point is well taken, and I would say, then, You should be knowledgeable and the general public should have the ability to understand what's going on in this regard.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Professor Paul W. Dixon.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Jan in Port Angeles, Washington.
	I absolutely agree that writing letters is extremely important.
	I'm going to write letters and call my congressman and write the Fermilab.
	Whoever else I can think of doing.
	However, I do believe and know that there will always be life in the universe.
	Perhaps our life might not be here, but there will always be life in the universe somewhere.
	And my question, I'm getting to my question, but I'm going to go a little bit to get around it.
	Laurie Toy the other day... Yeah, we don't have a lot of time.
	Okay, Laurie Toy said we have to get spiritually right within ourselves.
	Yes, we have to write letters, and yes, praying would be a good idea too.
	But, you know, you're talking about this big boom or vaporizing if this thing goes wrong.
	Well, in some bizarre way, that wouldn't worry me as much as seeing a slow death of our planet through ecological destruction and the death that is happening on our planet right now.
	So my question to the professor is, it would be a horrible thing if we were vaporized.
	And yes, I'm going to write letters, but the death of the planet the way it's going right now, which is worse?
	Well, I would like to propose, then, that we form something called the Penguin Society.
	The Penguin Society, then, would address these problems to halt, then, global extinction.
	We have, in the recent newspapers, noticed that the plants are dying out, the animals are dying out, and we possibly also might be faced with extinction.
	So we should form this Penguin Society.
	uh... which would be concerned and primarily with the extinction of species living living beings like ourselves uh... well then uh... i presume in our selfishness we would be at the top of the list well i think we should we should certainly be uh... thought about uh... east of the rockies you're on the air with professor dixon in hawaii hello hi where are you uh... michigan michigan alright uh...
	I was wondering if you have heard of any experiments going on with particle beams in Area 51.
	Or any particle beam experimentation, period.
	Professor?
	I'm sorry, I don't follow your question.
	His question is with regard to particle beam experimentation.
	Are you talking about Hadrons?
	This is the heavy particles?
	Is that what you're... I would presume he was, yes.
	Well, Fermilab then is a Counter-rotating ring with protons and antiprotons.
	So that's certainly, I guess this is the American view of these things is the most active and most, shall I say, essentially energetic of all possibilities.
	Matter and antimatter coming together after many revolutions at close to the speed of light.
	It seems to me, Professor, that this is, for many of us, a new concept and a new fright to have.
	Would you be interested in debating somebody from Fermilab?
	I have done that out in front of Fermilab.
	Let's see, a couple of years ago, I spent six hours across the railroad tracks in Batavia.
	I didn't want to actually enter into the Fermilab, and we had a wonderful I'm debating all of the fine scientists who came out of Fermilab to talk to us.
	Again, I talked even to Dr. Johnson, the man who had constructed the ring.
	He had some very good arguments.
	And while he bought a lot of your arguments, apparently he didn't buy them well enough, or they didn't buy them well enough because they are moving ahead pell-mell.
	Well, again, I would say that they did buy them.
	Again, according to the scientific literature, they held back in terms of the possibilities.
	When I wrote to them many years ago, about 10 years ago, they had 1.8 trillion electron volts.
	And from that point onward, they did not increase it to the possibility of 2 trillion electron volts, which they could have.
	Which they could have and did not because of your urging.
	They were then criticized in the scientific literature for holding it back by 10%.
	So I do feel, though, that Again, following your point, there's a kind of pressure, international pressure, to go ahead and it's maybe not possible to hold it back unless you have the public questioning this and looking at it very, very carefully.
	Okay, well, when I said debate, I was considering getting somebody from Fermilabs in view of the fact that they seem to be pressing ahead and getting them on there at some point with you.
	Well, I'd like to debate this with Dr. John Peeples.
	I have a great deal of respect for him.
	He's now the director of Fermilab, so he would be my choice.
	Okay.
	A very serious man, and I think he understands the kinds of dimensional physics that I'm talking about.
	All right.
	I will indeed make an attempt to get Dr. John Peoples, get hold of him, and see if he would be interested in doing exactly that.
	That would be very, very good for everyone.
	All right, Professor.
	In the meantime, folks, if you would like to write to Dr. Dixon, it is PO Box 244 in Volcano, Hawaii, zip code 96785.
	And that, of course, is on the Big Island.
	Well, Professor, thanks for scaring us to death.
	And thanks for the honest and real information.
	And I will proceed To try and get hold of Dr. Peoples.
	Well, I'd like to again offer my very great thanks for all mankind for putting this on the air.
	I'd like to form the Penguin Society.
	The Penguin Society, which would be a place for everyone to rally and join in to prevent extinction of man and other living creatures.
	Well, I'm all for that.
	Professor, thank you.
	Thank you very, very much.
	And good night.
	Alright, there you have it.
	One more thing to worry about.
	Instant extinction.
	Professor Paul W. Dixon.
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	It's a long way to go.
	Never see what you want to see.
	Never playing to the gallery.
	Takes a long way to go, takes a long way to go When you're up on the stage, you know what the stage has
	done Oh, unforgettable, I say hello
	Then you watch the stage, you think of the people who've died with you
	Oh, unforgettable, oh, unforgettable Oh, unforgettable, oh, unforgettable
	Let me, let me, let me come again You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	All right, everybody, prepare to participate in the great experiment, part number four.
	At least part number four.
	Boy, do I have a good idea.
	And I'm going to hoist it off on you in a moment here, so stand by.
	It involves contact.
	Check this out.
	I'm Mr. Bell, I work second shift in North Las Vegas, less than 100 yards from the runway at Nellis Air Force Base at about 12 a.m.
	this morning.
	That would have been about an hour and 11 minutes ago.
	Six fighter jets were scrambled and headed due north, probably towards Area 51.
	Though daily, we are certainly treated to spectacular aerial maneuvers.
	I have never, ever Witnessed a nighttime sortie at this late time of the day.
	Could your experiment to contact ETs via shortwave be working?
	Have the jets been scrambled to intercept something responding to your attempts at contact?
	Can you inquire to someone who might know?
	Thanks, Kim.
	Well, no, Kim, I wouldn't know who to call, and certainly they wouldn't tell me if I found that person.
	However, There are two big items that I want to get to you tonight, right now.
	Beginning now, actually beginning three hours ago.
	I'm asking everybody, from the Hawaiian Islands on through this great nation, to the Caribbean, to Nova Scotia, to the very farthest reaches of my signal, to tune to one special shortwave frequency.
	We have tried experiments, I might add, with some success in the past, using telepathy.
	It is said, of course, that the others, the visitors, whatever you want to call them, use telepathy to communicate.
	So I thought, why not try our own little SETI experiment?
	And if there's anybody nearby, let's set up a frequency.
	And I found one.
	It is 6.890 MHz.
	I repeat, 6890, 6.890 MHz.
	And what I would like is everybody out there with a Sanjean or any kind of shortwave receiver to get as much antenna as you can muster and monitor, if not record, 6.890.
	Now, I'm not setting any kind of a mode of transmission, sideband, AM, FM, because who knows how it would come or what it'll, you know, sound like.
	But right now, if you've got a shortwave radio, go to it and begin listening to 6890.
	Even if you are capable, do not transmit on that frequency, obviously.
	But let's see if we can establish some kind of contact.
	We will continue with this experiment over the next 48 hours.
	But over the next couple of hours of the program this morning, and I'm going to listen myself during breaks, I want you to monitor 6890.
	Very carefully.
	See what you hear.
	Record what you can.
	And we'll see what shows up.
	6890.
	The Great Experiment Part 4.
	Item 2.
	I received, I think, the best photograph of a UFO that I have seen, short of the Meyer photographs, and I think this one is real.
	Now, that is not to suggest that the Meyer photograph is not, but I have in my possession, from Ron Sprouse in Hawaii, a photograph taken with a 35mm camera.
	I've got the print here.
	It's a big print.
	I can hold it up for the camera.
	Although it will not do justice to it, you know, my studio camera certainly is not going to do justice to it.
	However, it is an absolutely astounding photograph.
	Now, it was taken with a Canon 35mm camera, 100 ASA film, at 120, at 125th second, at f8 or 11.
	ASA film at 120, at 125th second at f8 or 11. It was taken at a memorial park
	looking toward the Punchbowl National Veterans Cemetery of the Pacific.
	And Ron says, P.S., I was taking photos of cemetery locations that day and did not, underlined, notice the object in question until later, after developing and printing.
	Upon showing the picture around, a co-worker said he has seen similar objects moving about strangely on a ridge above Hawaii Kai in the afternoon the last Sunday in March of 98.
	Aircraft are not allowed over a National Veterans Cemetery.
	Now, I scanned the photograph personally and I did two scans.
	One scan of the full photograph as I am holding in my hand right now and the other scan a gigantic close-up of this object in the sky.
	And I think there is no reasonable explanation for this object.
	It is, believe me, and I get... I'm gonna say I get a hundred UFO photographs a month.
	Most of them I discard as either frauds, fakes, or indiscernible.
	This is something else.
	I'm telling you right now, this is something else.
	And with the Reference objects in the photograph, and you see the cemetery.
	Then you see what would appear to be some sort of monument.
	And then you see a large ridge behind, a great big ridge.
	It's got to be quite a ways away.
	Tree covered in Hawaii.
	And just above this, you see what appears to be a saucer.
	I don't know what else to call it.
	It's a saucer.
	And I would like your opinion.
	As I said, I see a lot of photographs of this kind, but I've not seen one this good.
	Go take a look.
	It's on my website right now.
	I'm trying to get hold of Ron to give us the story behind this, but I think he's pretty well articulated in his facts.
	I've got his phone number, and I've tried several times.
	He may be out of town.
	Anyway, bottom line, This, I think, is the real thing.
	You take a look, go ahead and pull it apart the way you do with all photographs, and tell me what you think.
	West of the Rockies, you're on there.
	Yeah, hi, Art.
	Hello.
	I had a couple questions.
	I wish I caught Professor Dixon a few minutes ago, but I had a few questions because he was talking about energies that the Fermilab is using as 20 trillion electron volts, right?
	I think that's what he said, yes.
	Well, the only problem with that is a 100 watt light bulb will burn 312 million times that energy in one second.
	So how could that possibly produce any kind of supernova?
	Okay, well, I'm not obviously the guy to answer that.
	Okay, I mean, I just bring that up.
	And the other thing, too, is that our sun itself doesn't have enough mass to be able to have the capability of producing a supernova, which would mean that there's no possible way that we could produce one, just because there's just not enough energy to go around.
	Okay, well, he'd be the one, sir.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, just thought I'd bring it up.
	All right, take care.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yes, good morning.
	I'm getting you in loud and clear on WGY.
	I'm on vacationing in New York.
	Well, good for you.
	Thank you.
	Usually, I live in Brevard County, Florida, and I wish we could get you in there.
	I've got the radio up to my ear, and you fade in and out, so I can't get you.
	I see.
	Now, Professor Dixon, very interesting.
	I'm looking forward to his Penguin Society.
	But I'm calling because I'd like to save the Earth.
	We're having a big problem down there with the sewage running into the Indian River Lagoon.
	I'm aware.
	And we're fighting it terribly.
	I don't understand why we have to fight so hard for something that is so wrong.
	But anyhow, on May 3rd... Well, because you're fighting economic interests.
	True.
	But we're also fighting for survival, which to me is a little more important.
	Anyhow, on May 3rd, which was a Sunday, I was listening to a repeat that you had on.
	It faded in and out, and I could not get the name of the woman that is so involved in what we're fighting for.
	Is there some way I can... She spoke about being to a testimony...
	An award in Washington to some woman that is fighting for the same reason, to clean up our rivers and our estuaries and so on.
	Is there some way I can get that information so we can get this packet to her of all the things that we know is happening there?
	Are you referring to possibly Linda Moulton Howe?
	I don't know.
	The name faded out every time I tried to listen to her.
	Alright, well then it's going to be impossible for me to... You can call... I can give you a number.
	And you can order that program.
	Alright, give me the name again.
	Linda who?
	Linda Howe.
	I looked up on your website and it was not on there because it was a repeat.
	So it wasn't on there.
	I tried finding it through that.
	Well if you can get to my website then you can go to the audio archives and listen to it.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Linda Howe?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'll give that a try and thanks a lot.
	You bet.
	I wish somebody could help us down there because it's really terrible what's going on under the guise of money.
	Believe me, I know.
	It's not under the guise of money.
	It is because of money.
	Money makes the world go round and may stop it.
	One way to put it.
	Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Dennis calling from Phoenix.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, I think the lady was talking about Linda Moulton Howe.
	That was my guess.
	Yeah.
	Mike, have you seen the June edition of the June issue of Popular Science?
	I have not.
	Okay, there's an article in here called The Day the Earth Fell Over.
	Fell over?
	Yes.
	I can read you about five sentences that would Pretty much cover the whole gist of the article.
	I'll tell you, I'm... You ever see a show called South Park?
	No, I haven't.
	I'm dying to see it.
	It's on the Comedy Channel.
	It's very ero... It's... I've heard of it, and I've heard you speak.
	Irreverent.
	It's very irreverent.
	And I'm wearing a t-shirt right now that says, The Many Deaths of Kenny.
	And they always kill Kenny in this show.
	And I'm beginning to feel like Kenny.
	The Many Deaths of Aus... Anyway, go ahead.
	Yeah, okay.
	Like I say, about five sentences out of this would explain it.
	And then I have a quick comment to make.
	Alright.
	It says, some 530 million years ago, Earth's land masses were clustered near the South Pole, forming a supercontinent called Gondwana Land.
	Called what?
	Gondwana Land.
	Alright.
	Within a relatively short period lasting about 15 million years, Earth's crust rotated nearly 90 degrees.
	Along the way, the stressed supercontinent broke apart and began forming today's familiar map.
	When polar wander suddenly accelerates, says Kirschvink, the scientist, these are two scientists from California Institute of Technology who hypothesize this, When polar water suddenly accelerates as Kiersevink, it can cause climate changes that drive biological evolution at a frantic pace.
	He says, if we're right, having a convecting mantle may make a planet go into these funny states every now and then and have an important impact on evolution.
	My comment is that this is 530 million years ago.
	That's roughly about the same time that Mars had that gigantic I don't know that there's any connection there.
	I mean, this article in itself I find interesting.
	Well, there might be.
	Who knows?
	Yeah, but anyway, I just thought you might be interested.
	It's a new hypothesis.
	One would have to read the article to get all of the pertinent information out of it, but I thought you or your listeners may be interested.
	Uh, what's in there?
	I'll take a look.
	Thank you, uh, very, very much.
	And again, folks, we are monitoring 6890 MHz, 6.890 MHz for any transmission.
	You never know.
	You just never know, and we're going to do this over a 48-hour period.
	No transmitting, just listening, okay?
	Uh, west of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Going once, going twice, gone.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi Art.
	Hello.
	This is Carol and I'm in Iowa.
	Hi Carol.
	You might want to ask your listeners to focus their attention and meditate and ask the Galactic Federation or whoever for contact.
	Well, we can do that as well, of course.
	I think it would increase the power.
	It's worth a try.
	Ask him to do it.
	I think he will.
	Well, we'll be monitoring over 48 hours now, so we'll see.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thanks.
	Take care.
	Lots of people out there with shortwave radios who can hear that frequency.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Arbel.
	Yes, sir.
	My name is Brett.
	I am in Atlanta, Georgia.
	Yes, Brett.
	I had heard your previous I went and did some research after the caller that had asked the significance of the number 137.
	In perturbation theory, you have zero first, second, third order processes.
	First order processes under the Feynman process.
	You're above me.
	The root is a prime number, 137.
	Through zero-order processes, it's 1, 137 to the first power.
	And then it's 1, 137 to the second power, and so on and so on and so on.
	137 to the second power and so on and so on and so on.
	Okay.
	That was all.
	I appreciate that.
	If I knew what it meant, I'd be really appreciative.
	Well, thank you, sir.
	Thank you for the call.
	Take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Art Bell.
	That's me.
	Hey, how you doing?
	Open line, isn't it?
	It is.
	Oh, good.
	I'm surprised I got through.
	Well, now you're through.
	Oh, cool.
	Be productive.
	This is a great show.
	I've been listening all night.
	Listen since about, what, New Year's now?
	You know, I find interesting all the stuff you talk about about holes.
	In the ground?
	Yeah, those deep holes.
	Oh, yes.
	We've got another one now.
	Two miles deep.
	You know, in my aunt's backyard, there's this little teeny hole, not very big.
	She poured irrigation water in there and it never filled up.
	A little hole?
	Maybe six inches in diameter, so.
	How long did you try to fill it with water?
	Oh, she let it run all night, and it never filled up.
	You're kidding.
	I don't know where it went.
	God knows what could crawl out of that thing in the middle of the night, huh?
	Yeah, because where I live... Oh, by the way, my name is Random in St.
	George, Utah.
	Okay.
	KDXUAM.
	Yes, oh, a monster of a signal.
	Boy, do they have a big signal.
	I can hear them here.
	Actually, they're one of the stronger stations that I can hear here.
	Uh-huh.
	Anyway, um, anyway, like I was saying, she'd run irrigation water in there all night, and nothing.
	Cool.
	I don't know, I'm not exactly sure what the fascination with holes is.
	Can you hold on through the break?
	Sure.
	Alright.
	Come on now, folks.
	The big experiment.
	Are you tuned in?
	6.890.
	6890 megahertz.
	6.890, 6890 megahertz.
	I want people listening from Hawaii to the Caribbean.
	Monitor, if you're able, tape on that frequency.
	Let's see what we get.
	If they're out there, and they want contact, here's their chance.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	I can't help loving you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.
	God, you don't be sad, that's crazy, don't be afraid. God, you don't be sad, that's a deathly, the only cure, take it,
	take it in your hand.
	You can die, you can die, but I'll live the life I die.
	I am who would be that girl, what's that be?
	Friday night and the lights are low.
	Looking out for a place to go.
	Where they play the right music.
	Getting in the swing.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
	Our own little SETI experiment going on for the next 48 hours.
	Monitoring 6890 MHz.
	6890 megahertz that's six dot or six point eight nine zero six decimal eight nine zero
	In the shortwave band and it is a clear frequency If anybody hears anything you might want to let me know.
	I just got one message from Alaska that they're hearing some sort of weird count on there.
	All right.
	It says here you might want to clarify to your listeners it's 6890 kilohertz or 6.8
	6.890 megahertz, as you will.
	That's Jim in New Albany, Indiana.
	It is a listen-only frequency.
	It is a clear frequency, nearly as I can tell.
	And so if there is anything to be heard, we're going to hear it.
	Here's somebody else, all right?
	I'm tuned to frequency 6.890.0.
	And I'm hearing a voice on upper sideband saying, we hear you.
	But my signal is weak.
	Can you check with other callers?
	This was at 2.08 a.m.
	in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
	All right, west of the Rockies, we're talking about a hole, a little bitty hole, that you have in the ground.
	Is that right, sir?
	Yeah.
	And you've been pouring water in it for literally hours and hours and hours, or all day?
	Well, like I said, this is in my aunt's backyard.
	And it's been a while since she did that.
	She found, when she first moved up here, She's out in the back and found this little hole.
	And so she has irrigation water that she'd run in there every week.
	And they did a little trench right to it.
	And they let the water run in there.
	Let it run.
	Never filled it up.
	Let it run for, I think it was all night or something.
	Let it run for quite a while.
	All right.
	You need to perform a hole experiment 1A.
	Which is getting a little monofilament line and a little tiny weight and begin lowering it into the hole.
	Okay.
	And report back to us and tell us how deep it is.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't know if it's, you know, it's really deep or what because... Well, that's how you find out.
	Where I live here in southern Utah, got a lot of volcanic rock around there.
	So I don't know whether it just kind of makes, there's a maze of volcanic rock or whether it goes straight down.
	I don't know.
	Well, I don't either.
	That's how we're going to find out, though.
	So if you would, do that experiment and report back.
	OK.
	All right.
	Just to let you know, too, your commercial about Father's Day?
	Yes.
	It's the 21st of June, not the 14th.
	Is that right?
	14th Flag Day.
	Well, it's still a sale on Geiger counters, but I appreciate the correction.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Geiger counters.
	What a neat sale to have Geiger counters.
	Can you imagine?
	Well, I've got one, and it's a good Geiger counter, too.
	If you want one, finally, you can get one.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	All right.
	Yes.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	OK.
	I just did.
	That's good.
	Where are you?
	Cleveland, Mississippi.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I keep hearing you talk about Billy Meyer.
	Yes.
	Bill Meyer.
	Yes.
	At the university I went to, we had a class at a site.
	I don't know if you've ever heard of it.
	And what?
	Well, the teacher sort of disproved that Billy Meyer was telling the truth at all about anything.
	How did he do that?
	Well, I mean, he said they found a spaceship model in his barn.
	At first, he was an advocate for Billy Meyer.
	And then he sort of changed his mind and everything, but to hear about him having pictures of dinosaurs and things like that, I mean, I just don't see how anyone could believe that.
	I'm not so sure about Billy Meyer myself.
	I mean, I've got doubts myself about the Meyer case, but you should see, I'm telling you, this new photograph I've got up.
	It's the best.
	Do you have a computer?
	Well, yeah, I do, but I'm at work.
	I work in a lab at night, and I listen to you.
	Every night.
	But, you know, we really did a lot of research, you know, on Billy Meyer and stuff and everything.
	We saw a film.
	I saw a projector type film of supposedly the beam ships.
	And when the footage first starts, you know, it's got a clock indicator down at the bottom right.
	And it's superimposed.
	It doesn't even go with the film.
	We watched it.
	At first it looks good.
	The saucer is kind of going through a tree.
	It's going around the tree.
	Then it sort of looks like you're holding on a string.
	It's just going around.
	Then he shows another one where the beam ship is in a field.
	He's narrating.
	He says, you will see the beam ship take off at light speed and then return.
	It looks like something off The Witch.
	The film jumps.
	My major is in chemistry and took a lot of physics, and I know that anything with any mass takes off in an environment like an atmosphere, it's going to burn up instantly.
	Well, I have a number of problems with the Meyer photographs.
	Thank you.
	For example, one of them shows a craft which appears to be planted in a tree somewhere, and you just can't buy that.
	I don't buy it anyway.
	Other of the Meyer photographs seem more inexplicable, and I don't know how it's done, or was done, if it is not true.
	The Meyer case is one of the more famous, one of the more difficult, frankly, to explain.
	But if you look at the photograph I've got on the website right now, I think you will find this, in some ways, more impressive.
	I repeat, more impressive than the Meyer photographs.
	Not that it's as close as the Meyer photographs, But the reference in the photograph is impeccable.
	The reference to the buildings, the distance, the trees, the ridge, all the rest of it.
	This object is the best I've seen in a very long time.
	This is the best UFO photograph I've seen in a long time.
	Take a look, let me know.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	Art?
	Yes.
	This is Rick.
	Hi, Rick.
	From Los Angeles.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, Art.
	You know, we had some people calling earlier this evening about the number 137.
	Right.
	And you may recall, just recently, you had Michio Kaku on.
	That's right.
	And, in fact, that was the first I'd heard of it.
	He had brought that up.
	Yeah, I seem to recall some reference to it.
	And as I recall, I'm not a physicist at all, but As I recall correctly, from what he was saying, he used the term drop-off or break-off point.
	I don't know what the numbers refer to, but he said that the number 137 was sort of a break-off point that occurred apparently right after the Big Bang.
	The very seconds or moments following the Big Bang.
	And at some point, The number seemed to, because of the breakout point at that number, couldn't be less, couldn't be more.
	That'd be precisely 137.
	Right.
	That was the point at which things began to stabilize.
	That was his explanation, that things began to stabilize the universe.
	And it wasn't before it dropped, breaking off at that point, that it never would have stabilized the universe that we know now.
	Well, I still don't understand.
	But that's okay.
	I know.
	I don't either, and I would like to get more information on that.
	All right.
	Well, next time I have Dr. Kaku on, I will ask.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	I had a question.
	All right.
	Is this open line?
	Yes.
	You have a very staticky phone.
	Okay.
	Wait a minute.
	Does that fix it?
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	My question was this.
	The other night we were listening, and we heard No, it's getting bad again.
	Okay, we heard you talking about ghosts.
	That's right.
	I was just wondering what you know about what causes and how do you know if you actually have, like if there was someone in your past that you had animosity towards or didn't like you.
	Yes.
	And they died suddenly in your home.
	Is that, I mean, and then you have nightmares about them.
	How do you know if you're being haunted?
	Do you know what I'm asking?
	Well, I'm not sure that I would conclude that I was being haunted on the basis of nightmares, frankly.
	Or even if you don't know if it's nightmares or if you think you're asleep but you're not really asleep, how do you know?
	I think that if you're not sure, then the answer is no.
	If you're really sure that something is going on, then you're being haunted.
	That's a flippin' answer, but it's the best I can do.
	In other words, you wouldn't be wondering about it.
	Would a ghost hang on because they're pissed off at you?
	If they were, you'd probably get a flying frying pan in the head or something of that sort.
	Anything short of that, I wouldn't worry about it.
	Okay.
	Thanks.
	Now listen, this monitoring on 6.890 megahertz is going to go on for the next 48 hours, now a little less.
	And so tomorrow night we will devote at least one line to results and tapes and people who have either heard or not heard, we may get nothing, something on 6.890 during the day, during the night, We're going to try and monitor 24 hours a day.
	On the international line, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, this is Denae calling from Cairo, Egypt.
	Oh my gosh, all the way from Cairo.
	How are you?
	I'm doing great and I just wanted to say hello to you from here and my friends on the Art Bell chat channel on the internet.
	What are you doing in Cairo?
	I'm on vacation.
	You're on vacation.
	Have you been to Giza yet?
	Yes, I have.
	And they're building a walkway in front of the Sphinx right now for an opera that they're going to be having.
	I understand the Great Pyramid is now closed.
	Were you able to get in?
	I went out with some friends and we did not attempt to go into any of the pyramids.
	We just went out and had lunch there at the Sphinx House.
	Oh, I see.
	Alright.
	What is the atmosphere like in Egypt?
	I understand there's a lot of There's a lot of worry about terrorism, so they've got a lot of guards everywhere.
	Is that what you're seeing?
	Well, there is security at the large hotels and out at the pyramids, but most of the Egyptian people have been very friendly to me, and I would give advice to anyone who wants to come here to come.
	I'm getting... everybody's telling me welcome.
	Well, that's what I'm hearing from everybody, that everybody is being indeed very friendly.
	What time is it there now?
	Right now it's 5 minutes till 12 noon.
	We really are upside down.
	Yes.
	Well, I'm sure glad you made it through, and you have friends on the internet, huh?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, what are some of their names?
	Zombie, Monique, let's see, Nimrod, and there's a couple others too.
	Alright, so hello from Cairo, Egypt, huh?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Thank you a lot, Art.
	You have a good vacation.
	I will.
	Take care.
	That's my first call from Cairo, actually.
	Other than the one I made to my own show.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hi.
	All right.
	Art?
	Yes.
	This is Dave in Phoenix.
	Hi, Dave.
	I got a question on the Cydonia III pitchers.
	All right.
	On the top portion there, how come nobody's noticed the triangles in there?
	I think they have.
	I haven't heard anything about it.
	That's why I was curious.
	Uh-huh.
	I saw nothing on your website or Hoagland's website.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they have noticed them.
	Hoagland certainly has actually drawn some of them, and I think he's noticed them.
	That's in the top portion, not the bottom portion.
	Yeah, I think it's the top portion he was talking about.
	All four of them?
	I don't know.
	What are you seeing?
	I see four triangles up there, right at the top portion of it.
	Four triangles, huh?
	Yeah, if you start on the Cydonia III and you come down, there's a crater right at the right side there.
	The largest triangle meets right there at the crater.
	And on the left side of that triangle, there's three other triangles inside there.
	Well, I'm going to have Richard on in the next couple of days because he wants to comment on what's going on in Mexico.
	He thinks that it has something to do with the physics that he's been talking about for so long.
	All this heat underground and volcanism in Mexico.
	Yeah.
	So I will ask him.
	How's that?
	I'd appreciate that.
	All right.
	You take care.
	You too.
	Bye.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Art Bell?
	Yes.
	Yes, sir.
	You had a guest on last night.
	General A?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	There was a situation that went on back in 1980 that you might be interested in that relates to this story having to do with Vicki Lantrum and Betty Cash, I believe.
	It had to do with the incident where they were with their grandson, and they saw a UFO, like a diamond shape, in trouble, and it looked like it was having trouble staying aloft.
	And then they noticed a lot of heat, and it must have been about 200 yards from them, but they also noticed that there was like 20 military helicopters that came out and encircled this thing.
	They were there for like, I guess, 15-20 minutes, and then finally they kind of escorted the thing off, and they all just, you know, went off to the horizon, but it left like burn marks on the roadway.
	They developed, I guess, symptoms like They start to lose their hair, diarrhea, things like that.
	It's a ballistic case, I think it's called the Landrum case incident, 1980, right around South Texas in Houston.
	Weird.
	And it pretty well correlates what he was talking about last night.
	It was something they believed it had to do with either extraterrestrial vehicle or testing of nuclear propulsion.
	All right.
	Well, I appreciate the collaboration.
	I believed the General last night, not based exactly on what he said on the program, because how are you going to tell about somebody on a voice changer, right?
	But because Dr. Lear has known him for 30 years, because so many people vouch for him, That he is exactly who he says he is.
	My guess was that the man is a reserve officer.
	I'm just guessing, folks.
	I know that through no knowledge passed on to me by anybody.
	But I would guess he is a reserve officer and may have come back with ID acting in an official capacity.
	People kind of picked apart the fact that he didn't have ID with him.
	If he was a reserve officer, that could have been the case.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Hartwell.
	Hello.
	Dr. Singh here.
	Yes, Dr. Singh.
	There are two things I wanted to talk to you about.
	Okay.
	One was Space Island.
	Yes.
	Gene Myers.
	Yes.
	I'm getting involved with it, and you're promoting it as a science project.
	Uh, in a multiplayer internet game kind of scenario to promote the idea worldwide.
	Good.
	It needs promotion.
	And we would need your assistance in two areas.
	One, we'd like to sponsor your show so that you can become a daily spokesman for it.
	And two, we would be having a Space Island Projects conference in November.
	Where?
	In Cal Poly Pomona, it's a college.
	The college is willing to support it and do the conference during Veterans Day.
	More details will be put on the Space Island webpage in the next couple of days.
	All right.
	Well, I'll look forward to a communication from you then, a fax or some kind of communication about what it is we can do, because I'm solidly behind that idea, as you know.
	All right, folks.
	Between now and tomorrow, when I go on the air, I'm going to be expecting all of you who have a shortwave radio to use the best antenna you can, and to very carefully, both day and night, monitor 6.890 megahertz.
	6890.
	Below the 40 meter band.
	6,890 megahertz, 6,890 below the 40 meter band, somewhat below the 40 meter band.
	And we're going to see if we can actually, when you think about it, I'm transmitting
	with literally millions of watts.
	And if there is anybody or anything within the sound of my voice, then they might transmit back on that frequency.
	So I'm asking all of you, all of you, no matter where you are, if you have access to a digital shortwave radio, you're going to need that to know where you are.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This has been Coast to Coast AM.
	Good night!

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