Art Bell and Prof. Paul W. Dixon (born 1936, Nobel-nominated for DNA/genetics research) warn that particle accelerators like Fermilab (Chicago) and CERN could breach "De Sitter space" or "zitter space," triggering a supernova—vaporizing Earth within 50 light years—by exceeding 2 trillion electron volts. Dixon cites unpublished risks, including accidental Big Bang-level energies, and urges public oversight via simulations and political pressure, comparing it to past scientific missteps like the atomic bomb’s chain reaction fears. Meanwhile, Bell promotes a 48-hour global shortwave experiment (6.890 MHz) to detect extraterrestrial signals, referencing Hawaii’s Punch Bowl UFO photo and California’s 1998 green fireball, while callers debate physics constants like 137 and unexplained phenomena. The episode blends fringe science warnings with UFO speculation, suggesting humanity may face existential threats from both cosmic experiments and potential alien contact. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land, from the Cadetian Islands, Hawaiian Islands, in the west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
And we are going to do a grand experiment this night.
And we'll have a guest next hour, a very fascinating guest, but interwoven with tonight and tomorrow night, over the next 48 hours, we are going to do a grand experiment.
As you know, we have, with great success, previously attempted to communicate with them by mental means, telepathy.
Well, if there's somebody reasonably close by, and I say reasonably close by, the speed of light, over the next 48 hours, we are going to listen on a specific HF frequency, shortwave frequency.
Now, I obviously don't want anybody to transmit.
This is an otherwise quiet frequency.
And so we are going to listen.
Many, many, many people all over the world listen to my program.
And they have many, many shortwave receivers.
So it made sense to me, makes sense to me to give it a try.
What we are going to do is to listen to 6890.
That's 6.890.
Now I'm not specifying any mode of operation.
Who knows what might be a pulse.
It might be some sort of weird sound that we would have to decipher.
It might be inside band or FM or, you know, who knows what it would be.
But I want all ears out there listening for communication by radio on 6.890 megahertz.
Beginning now and going on for the next 48 hours.
And I would certainly hope that many of you out there would be taping on this frequency as well.
So if you're out there and if you would like to make yourself known, if you really are out there, and I mean extraterrestrial out there, then transmit to us on 6890.
Now, as far as I know, nobody has ever done this before.
Nobody has ever specified a certain frequency and said, let's all listen here.
Now, what might be heard, for example, in the Caribbean might not be heard in Hawaii or the other way around or South America or way up north.
Who knows?
But this is a frequency that should do the trick.
It is one that I picked at random.
It appears to be a quiet frequency, and that is the, of course, the primary qualification for it.
It's got to be a good, quiet frequency, and it seems to be that.
And of course, all we're going to be doing is listening, transmitting, not transmitting.
I repeat, not transmitting.
That would be illegal, that would be wrong, and that would be counterproductive.
So what I want everybody to do with a shortwave receiver is muster up as much antenna as you can, and for the next 48 hours, listen on 6.890.
You will also see that listed on the website.
That is UFO-related item number one.
That is beginning right now and for the next 48 hours.
Traveling at the speed of light, my voice should, I would rather imagine, make it on out, make it on and out pretty well.
Now, item number two involves a photograph of a UFO.
Now, as you might imagine, I get a lot of photographs of UFOs.
It's just, I guess, I'm a magnet, obviously, for this kind of thing.
But I received a photograph from Ron Spruss.
It was taken on April 12th of this year, Easter Sunday, at about 3.30 p.m.
He used a good quality 35 millimeter Canon F12100 ASA film, 125th second at F8 or 11.
And it was at a memorial park looking toward the Punch Bowl, a National Veterans Cemetery of the Pacific in Hawaii.
And ladies and gentlemen, this cannot be explained.
It's a good photograph, one of the best I've seen.
He says, P.S. I was taking photos of cemetery locations that day and did not notice the object in question until later, after developing and printing.
Upon showing the picture around, a co-worker said he saw similar objects moving about strangely on a ridge above Kauai Kai in the afternoon, that's Hawaii Kai, in the afternoon, the last Sunday in March of 98.
Aircraft, he adds, are not allowed over a National Veterans Cemetery.
And I am making efforts to get hold of Ron so he might tell the story himself.
And I'll make a few more calls as the evening wears on.
It is early yet in Hawaii.
But let me tell you, here's what I did.
I've got the raw photograph.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to hold the raw photograph, the print of the photograph that he sent me up so that you can see that I've got it.
As a matter of fact, let me stop the studio cam right here since I managed to sort of hold it up.
I guess I could get a little closer, but I want you to know that I've got the 35 millimeter raw photograph.
And nearly as I can tell, folks, there's no way this could be faked.
The references are very clear.
The size of the trees, the building, the cemetery, which is in the front of the photograph, the cars, this is a high-quality 35-millimeter photograph.
And I've got the raw print.
So I scanned it.
I scanned first the full photograph, so you can see the references all around it.
And then I scanned a very narrow little section where the object is located.
And you can see both now on my website.
This, in my opinion, is one of the best indecipherable UFO photographs ever taken.
Not quite perhaps in the Billy Meyer category, but in some ways better than some of the Billy Meyer photographs.
I think we have a legitimate UFO in this photograph.
So I want to thank Ron.
Thank you, Ron.
Wish I could do it personally, and I'll try to do that on the air.
This is one hell of a photograph.
I'm telling you, this is quite a photograph.
So go on up to my website and take a look.
I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Anyway, I certainly would like your opinion.
It's up there now.
Once again, 6.890, 6890.
We should all be listening.
Any of you who have got ATS-909s or good shortwave receivers should park it on 6890 and listen intently.
And let's see if we get any form of communication.
Judging by the two experiments that we did with attempts to mentally communicate, actually it was three, all three of them, to some degree or another worked.
In other words, there were major sightings shortly after we did the experiment.
So now let us go to the next level.
And that is inviting communication on a specific frequency.
Again, 6890.
I've got a new drudge report in my hand.
It says U.S. intelligence, Pakistan, to begin nuke tests as early as Sunday.
Citing clear signs from spy satellites, American officials are now convinced that Pakistan is preparing for an underground nuclear test, a test that could take place as early as Sunday.
The test would be conducted at a remote site near Pakistan's western border with Iran.
One of the warheads would be lowered down a deep shaft, attached to cables and sensors, and exploded.
So we will see.
Now, continuing with the report that we had yesterday, this is from Kansas City Art.
The air quality in Kansas City definitely deserved the red alert that was issued yesterday.
The sky was a uniform smoky bluish white.
Wow.
The sun looked more like a flashlight being held up against a ping-pong ball instead of a distinct disc.
There's a freeway interchange about five miles from my house that's up high enough to let you see downtown skyline 15 miles away on a normal day.
It's never a problem.
Today, the only thing you could see was a bluish-white haze.
Kansas City, by the way, normally has air quality that most cities would die for, but today we have some of that thick, chunky stuff that Los Angeles gets minus the brown gravy.
So the fires in Mexico continue.
President Suharto has resigned.
Now, whether that is going to stop the rioting or not, we will have to see.
His replacement is not elected.
His replacement is simply appointed.
So you'd think if the people who are rioting are calling for elections, this is not going to stop it, but we shall see.
Now, Galaxy 4 appears to be lost in space permanently.
Permanently.
And so what I hear is their plan is to move Galaxy 6 into Galaxy 4's location and get service back up and going in five or maybe six days.
Guess who the big loser was with Galaxy 4 going down?
You've got it.
The drug dealers.
Street-level drug dealers, according to Reuters, may have been the biggest losers when a satellite glitch silenced the pagers that pushers used to connect with customers, police and one former drug dealer say.
The war on drugs is a failure.
This pager mishap is better than anything the government could do.
A recently reformed methamphetamine manufacturer and user says, Pager service interrupted last night to 80 to 90% of the nation's 45 million pagers when a satellite Owned by Pan AmSat, suddenly lost track of Earth.
Pan AmSat said it's going to take about a week to restore service to everybody.
So there you are.
And by the way, one more item.
Actually, I've got many, but I can only fit this in.
With reference to General A last night, I've got a copy of a newspaper article of that specific incident.
A giant green fireball that lit up the night sky Thursday and was seen from Los Angeles to San Francisco was probably, get this, a meteor or a piece of a comet, according to Griffith Park Observatory.
The bright fireball streaked across the sky about 8.45 p.m.
Astronomer John Mosley said the object may have been a piece of a comet or a meteor from what is called the asteroid belt.
One of perhaps a shattered planet somewhere between Mars and Jupiter.
So there you are, and it goes on and gives a report of some people who saw it.
But whether or not you believe General A last night, the fact of the matter is, that incident certainly did indeed occur precisely as described.
Again, this photograph by Ron Sprouse is damn good.
Really, really, really is good.
It shows an object just barely above the tree line.
I couldn't say how far away.
If I can get hold of Ron, he'll tell me, I'm sure.
But on top of the hill, this has got to be a big, big object.
Clearly in the blow-up, it is not in any way connected to the trees and separate from them.
It is a saucer, clearly a saucer-like object.
It's obviously not an airplane.
I can't tell you what this is, but it's a good, reliable photograph.
Finally, in 35 millimeter.
Now, I would have wished it to be closer to the camera, of course, but it was caught, nevertheless, quite clearly.
So I would sure be interested in, and it's brand new, and I'd sure be interested in your impressions of this.
All right, the ET listen frequency, ET call us frequency, is 6.890 megahertz.
6890.
Those of you with receivers, hook them up, get a tape going, and you're going to want to be recording on that frequency because if they're out there and they can hear me, well, let's rock.
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Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
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I'm Art Bell, and we are conducting the grand experiment tonight.
Somebody sends the following to me from Source Ferrell's Confidential Frequency Disk.
He says that 6890 megahertz belongs to VJT in Australia, BGH94 in China, CLN47 in Cuba, and no call letters at all in Zaire.
So, basically, they don't seem to be using it.
It seems to be empty.
It is going to be our listen frequency.
I listened carefully to a bunch of frequencies looking for a good clear one, and this is definitely a good clear one.
It's 6.890 megahertz, 6890, and we want everybody with a receiver to get as much antenna out there as you can and listen very closely, because if you are out there, and you know who you are, then we would presume you would have the ability to transmit on a frequency of this sort.
And if you can discern what I am saying with the millions and millions of watts I am transmitting, then we are listening for you on 6890.
ET call Earth.
That issue aside, again, I'm beginning to get already remarkable answers on this photograph I have uplinked, provided by Ron Sprouse in Hawaii.
I think it's Kenahoe, Hawaii, K-A-N-E-O-H-E Hawaii.
And Ron, thank you.
It is one of the most remarkable photographs I have ever seen, and that is up on the website right now, so you're going to want to definitely want to take a look.
And I want your feedback on it.
At any rate, we will continue in a moment.
Well, all right.
Again, all of you out there, anybody with a shortwave receiver, we are having a mass listen on 6.890, 6890 megahertz.
If they are out there, then it is entirely reasonable that if they wish to be known, they could certainly transmit.
My voice and my invitation to do so would be going into space, sailing right past the crippled Galaxy 4 satellite and on out at the speed of light.
So if there's anybody anywhere nearby, 6890 appears to be the frequency.
It's clear.
Even if you're able, do not transmit on there.
We want to listen and see if we can hear anything extra-terrestrial.
And I'm assuming that many of you will be recording on that frequency as well, just in case.
We will continue this experiment over the next 48 hours.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
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Yeah, hi, Art.
My name is John.
I'm in Pasadena, California.
Hi, John.
And I had sent you a couple of faxes, and I wanted to see if you got them.
They're in regard to the fact that I'm a contact for Robert, the dimension shifter, as you called him.
robert the dimension shifter i remember he i he called you and told you what does it Okay.
And I was wondering if you had gotten my faxes because I can put you in touch with him anytime after tonight, actually.
He's not available tonight, but he will be available tomorrow and on.
Going to hell, going straight to hell, not passing go.
Yes, indeed.
No, I wouldn't go down.
No, of course I wouldn't go down.
And by the way, while we're on the subject of holes, I've got a new article here, if I can find it.
Here it is.
Local geologist finds deep hole.
The mines closed in 1986.
In 1990, three teens were found dead in the main corridor, then nothing.
We have been hoping for an opportunity to explore the old cavern for several years, said Dr. Glenn Quanstrom, professor of geology at Creekside Community College, wherever that is.
But regional authorities were skittish considering the history of the place.
The history includes several sudden cave-ins and poison gas.
That aside, last week Dr. Quanstrom received permission to explore the abandoned mine shafts, long a source of long local curiosity and legend.
But no legend could compare with what Dr. Quonstrom's team found.
There must, he said, be a bottom, but we just haven't found it yet.
The team was unprepared for such a deep hole, but did lower two miles, I repeat, two miles of makeshift line down it.
It would have taken more if we had it, said one of the diggers with the team.
This is really exciting stuff.
Dr. Construm is not quite as vocal about it, but is obviously excited to explore further.
So there you go, a two-mile deep hole.
And they are going to continue, this is in Concord, California, they are going to continue to try and determine exactly how deep it is.
It's a newspaper article.
And so if you think these hole stories are bogus, you are wrong.
Well, of course, there is no specific way to do so, and the moment we get anything real on that frequency, a hit, in Bell's experiment, we would, of course, turn it over to SETI.
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Wouldn't it be funny if I'm sure you've listened to CNN a lot of times because I've heard him say so.
And I want everybody with a portable radio and any kind of antenna, the best you can muster, to be listening intently on that frequency and recording, if you can, over the next 48 hours for who knows what we may hear.
6890.
It is reasonable to assume that my voice, particularly on the FM band, but AM as well, is zooming right on out into space at the speed of light.
And if anybody is out there or in the nearby vicinity, a request to transmit on a certain frequency, I've never heard anybody do it before.
So I thought, why not?
Our own little SETI program.
Our own little SETI program and on a frequency in which most of my listeners can listen.
Yeah, because I but I mean all you're going to see is as far as the light can penetrate and then darkness, you're already talking about being down two miles.
And as some of you may or I was just handed something, as some of you may or may not know, I'll use the line they use on CM.
This just in.
I hear my wife laughing in the other room.
I wrote a book about myself, you know, my life and all that, and it has been updated and is going to be back out in August.
It's called The Art of Talk.
It'll be a big book.
In the first book, the manager that I had in Las Vegas at KDWN Radio, which is where I really got my start doing this program, did not get us a photograph.
She promised to get us one and didn't get us one.
That would be Claire Reese.
And by golly, by gum, here it is.
My wife just handed it to me, a picture of Claire Reese.
It is going to go in the book in the new book that's going to be out in August.
Here she is, Claire Reese.
Matter of fact, I had to put this up on the website.
Claire was my, I could talk hours about Claire, and I'm sure she could talk hours about me, too.
It was a very unusual relationship for a lot of years, and she's a great lady.
So why doesn't everybody write a letter to this guy and suggest that he, for demonstration purposes, drink a tall, full, cool glass of treated sewage to make us all feel safe?
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They treat us all like mushrooms.
They grow mushrooms in the dark, and you know what they feed them.
In a moment, Professor Dixon from Hawaii, and he'll be talking about, along with other things, supernova from experimentation.
Supernovas in the basement.
Great, huh?
We'll see what he means by that in a moment.
The Sanjee...
I have picked a clear frequency in the shortwave spectrum, 6890 specifically, 6.890, in the shortwave spectrum.
And we are going to listen for any transmission from anywhere else, you know, out there.
Many of my listeners have shortwave radios.
If you do, over the next 48 hours, listen intently on 6890, 6.890, and let's see what you hear, and let's see what you're able to record.
48 hours of solid listening, folks.
you you Paul William Dixon was born in New York City, August 1st, 1936, educated at Blackburn College, received his Bachelor of Arts degree in English in 1960, went on to receive a master's degree in 63 and a doctorate in 1966 in experimental psychology from the University of Hawaii, where he developed a lifelong love of the land and the people there.
Easily understandable.
He accepted a position as professor of psychology at the University of Hawaii at Hilo in 1965 and has remained to this day, having held the position of chairman for the College of Arts and Sciences and chairman of the psychology department, as well as serving on a number of committees during the ensuing years in 1971 and 2.
Dr. Dixon was a visiting professor of psychology at Sofia University in Tokyo, Japan.
Now, he is currently listed in Who's Who in America, as well as the latest edition of Who's Who in the World.
He has been, I believe, nominated for a Nobel Prize, or has he won one?
Am I reading this properly?
We'll just ask him.
There's a lot to read here.
He's done a lot.
He's done research in DNA and life extension with an immortalized autograph that we'll have to ask about that.
Dr. Dixon pioneered genetic-engineered immunotherapy of cancer.
This man has been into many, many areas of science, so obviously there are many questions we can ask him.
Well, there's, as you know, there's a history of accidents in high energy physics.
These accidents, if you're familiar with the field, have become increasingly large.
You're dealing with atomic energy and things like that.
And scientists may be killed, and larger and larger areas that are then destroyed by what is called an oversight in their equation.
So it's only common sense, and we'll call it horse sense then, to understand that as these energies are now used in high-energy physics accelerators, the energies found that only trillionths of a second after the Big Bang, that's the origin of the universe.
If we have a laboratory mischance, we'll call it a screw-up, this would be of the greatest proportions.
Well, the energies then that are found in the sitter space, which is the sort of dimension that we could enter into, are something like 10 to the 126 electron volts per cubic centimeter.
So that all the people then in modern physics have agreed that if we penetrated or made a transition then into the sitter space, this would be sufficient energy to produce a supernova here on Earth.
Well, this is the amount of energy is sufficiently great to then vaporize the planet, the solar system, perhaps also to turn our Sun into a neutron star and then to spread an explosion out to engulf the nearby stars out to the distance of about 50 light years.
Well, the main laboratory now in the world is this Fermilab, which is in the suburbs of Chicago.
This is the world's largest accelerator.
It's now scheduled to increase its energies by tenfold up to 20 trillion electron volts by 1999.
You can easily find this site on the internet to look at Fermilab, and you might be able to sign up for a seminar.
So my suggestion under these circumstances is that we need to examine this barrier, the potential barrier, between Desider space and our continuum before we have a transition to De Sitter space.
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is this you keeps calling it what is D-E-D-E capital S-I-T-T-E-R.
Well, The ongoing problems that they're looking at have to do with the description of the particles in quantum mechanics.
They're looking then to observe symmetrical relationships amongst the particles like leptons and quarks, trying to look at quarks and how they constitute particles.
So as we look at these little tiny things, sorry to interrupt these quarks or whatever else we're looking at, how is it possible that we might, by mistake, stumble into the creation Of a hole, if you will, and a supernova-type explosion.
Have you actually established that looking have you actually looked at their equations and established, Professor, you believe this is indeed possible?
So my suggestion would be then that we take these equations and use computer simulations to look at the barrier between the sitter space and our continuum.
That's our space-time.
Look at these equations very, very carefully and determine beforehand what the dangers are, rather than just blindly plunge ahead into the unknown.
I mean, I recall back to the first detonation of an atomic bomb, and I think that a substantial number of the scientists involved in the project were concerned that there might be a chain reaction in our atmosphere virtually burning us up.
In California recently, and God knows, I feel sorry for anybody with AIDS, but they completely destroyed an AIDS patient's immune system and attempted to replace it with the immune system of a baboon.
Now, I don't know a lot about genetics, but I know enough that that sort of worries me.
In other words, there could be some sort of transfer, it seems to me, from animal to human of something that we wouldn't much like were it to occur.
And they went ahead and just did that and announced it to the world after they did it.
And I complained about that bitterly at the time, saying, listen, if this could possibly affect all of us, then it seems to me there should be good scientific and public review of this sort of thing before we plunge ahead.
Do you believe that the Big Bang in fact was as advertised something smaller than a quark suddenly instantly becoming all that we now know and can see out 12 billion years or whatever beyond?
Is there any way to explain to the layman, in some words, we can understand, how something smaller than a quark, which we have not yet even really seen, becomes all of this?
Is there any way to explain that so we could understand it?
Well, I think that the real quality of energy that we're dealing with, the level of energy, is something which is outside of the ordinary understanding of most people.
There was recently, I think within the last week, there was a story in our local newspaper showing then that in some uh distant galaxy there was a a point uh that blinked on uh for a few seconds.
Yes, that's uh so again there the article I think was quite clear in indicating that none of the standard models within black hole understanding, none of these kinds of models then had a hope of explaining it.
But my notion that you could occasionally have this sort of transition to the sitter space would easily explain that.
Not that it would matter, because one little mistake in one equation could actually produce here on Earth, in the Chicago area, a supernova that would more or less vaporize us and most things out to about 50 light years.
How warm and fuzzy does it make you feel?
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1998.
My guest is Professor Paul W. Dixon from the University of Hawaii at Hilo.
And he is very serious.
He is suggesting that experiments about to go on in Chicago could, with miscalculation, produce a supernova, a little tearing between our space and something called the Sitter space that would release energy equivalent to a supernova, not only vaporize Earth and our Sun, our system, but perhaps everything to 50 light years out.
Don't forget our experiment, 6890, our little SETI experiment.
We are all listening on 6.890 megahertz.
If you hear anything, we want to know about it.
All right.
My guest again, Professor Paul W. Dixon.
And here is a facts, Professor.
If your guest is right, does creating a transition to Desider space create energy out of nothing?
Is that in effect what it is doing?
If so, people in the far distant future could use the method to keep producing energy virtually forever, outliving the dying stars in the far distant future, true immortality limited by nothing.
Well, I would say that the in the sense that the energy is there, it's just not creating the energy out of nothing.
It's just you would just be plugging into it.
So I have advanced the idea that the type 1A supergha are caused then by other civilizations which reach a high level civilization, something that we are attempting to do.
Yes, you could our level then might be the terminal level unless you have someone warning you, as you have here, because you would then inadvertently perform this kind of experiment whereupon that would be the end of your civilization.
Well, in what I'm talking about, our supernova, we have then the type 1A supernova, which is what I am describing.
These are then two and a half times larger than the other supernova.
We'll say these are the ones in nature.
They come from larger objects, about 10 or more solar masses that implode, and they cause the type II supernova.
They're actually smaller, even though they come from a much larger mass.
Now, the smaller ones, the ones that I think are generated by intelligent beings, much like ourselves, these smaller ones then show no trace of hydrogen at maximum light or luminosity.
So for these kinds of events, as the type Ia supernova, there seems to be no better explanation for these vast explosions than from experimentation and high-energy physics by intelligent beings much like ourselves.
So again, in answer to that question, nature then, through the implosion of the type II supernova, this is 10 or more solar masses and there's a lot of hydrogen there.
These are very big objects.
They then produce also supernova.
So we have small objects producing the energy of a supernova.
They show no hydrogen.
When they explode, they come from things smaller than something called the Chandra-Cetar limit even, 0.7 solar masses.
And then they're very much larger than the type II supernova, which are generated from large objects that, so I say, reach the limit of their ability to withstand the wave, and then they just implode.
Well, this would be, again, if you can easily access this on your Internet, you can then look at the website for Fermilab, and then there's another website for CERN, capital C-E-R-N, all capitals.
And you can see then that they are telling us on these websites that the energies now employed are one trillionth of a second energies after the Big Bang, the explosion at the origin of the universe.
So I would say that we're already clearly pushing a kind of limit and we should stand back and take a look at it before we just proceed unwittingly over the age, as it were.
How likely do you consider it to be that type zero civilizations, which I guess we are, that's what Professor Kaku suggests we are, what are the odds as we reach this precipice that you're talking about, that we deal with it wisely versus plunging ahead and creating the end?
Well, I think it was the very famous astronomer, Carl Sagan, who, in answer to that question, said that we have a number of ways whereby we can terminate ourselves as our experimentation, our knowledge of nature increases by leaps and bounds,
and yet we're not really knowledgeable of the limits of things, that we could terminate our existence and become extinct as a species, much as I think it's something like 99% of all previous species have become extinct.
So I would concur, I would agree then with Professor Carl Sagan in saying that we have already reached this kind of threshold and we should simply be very careful in our further activity.
Well, I don't exactly have the information, but you have the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory that's within the city limits of Chicago, and you can easily access that.
It's Fermi Lab, F-E-R-M-I-L-A-B.
And then the other website is also easily locatable.
It's CERN, capital C, capital E, capital R, capital N. CERN.
But I have, I think a couple of years ago, I stood outside of the Fermi Lab right south of Chicago, and myself and my college friends, I went to college in central Illinois, as you mentioned earlier, and my college buddies and I stood out in front of Fermilab and waved signs.
And all of the scientists from the ring, that's the circular accelerator, came out into the public way there and discussed higher level physics with us.
It was very exciting.
We did that for two days in July.
So I would say that they're aware of our questions.
And I would like to see these questions then examined by the general public and also, shall we say, put through a review journal process of careful examination.
And then when everyone has carefully decided on the safety or lack of safety, we can go ahead or not go ahead as we deem fit.
Well, Professor, I can assure you the general public is not aware because when I saw the subject we were going to be talking about this evening, I said, huh?
Supernova from experimentation.
Now I'm not a physics student, but I talk to a lot of people like yourself, and this has never been raised before as an issue.
So I can assure you, the general public is not aware of even this possibility.
We've got the bomb, we've got chemical and biological warfare, we've got lots of things to worry about, and now we've got the ultimate thing to worry about, and that would simply blink us out instantly.
We would never have any warning nor know that it's coming, nor, I suppose, would the people doing the experimentation.
What specific kind of experimentation are you most concerned about?
In other words, what could they do to suddenly produce this in error?
Well, this at the current moment, they're in Fermilab.
They are going to shut the accelerator down for about half a year.
So this next half a year, it will be shut down.
And they're going to construct a Bevatron which will enable them to increase the energy level by tenfold.
So before they turn this on, in central Illinois, I think we should then have this kind of logical and careful discussion of the various possibilities.
I take it that prior to going on a public forum like this one, Professor, you must have engaged in some high-level communication with the people at the lab.
Well, as we stood out in front of the Fermi lab and the various scientists came and spoke with us, we again discussed these matters just as we now are on the air.
And again, the same conclusion was reached.
And they agreed that possibly I should actually present my ideas in their physics congresses, international meetings.
This is where this kind of discussion should occur.
But I would like to then bring the general public into this since everyone's concerned at this point.
I would like to see everyone then have a look at the decision being made since their welfare is intimately involved in these decisions.
We can't simply assume that everything will go well.
I think everyone follows the thinking of Carl Sagan.
We're on the precipice in many, many areas, as you just mentioned, and we have to be very careful.
Well, there could be a regional nuclear war, for example, between India and Pakistan that I believe the majority of the world might suffer but would survive.
With what you're talking about, it's just instant extinction of everything.
Now, is there any evidence of any explosion that we have seen or witnessed astronomically other than the one we talked about a little while ago that would seem to be what we're talking about here, either in nature or man, why I say man-made, made by some intelligence.
Well, the Type 1A supernova then have one of the very curious kinds of things associated with them.
You have the very famous scientist Subharman Shadrasekar, who is a very well-known physicist, received the Nobel Prize in Physics.
And he demonstrated then that in order for a sun to implode, that is to make a kind of explosion, or the beginnings of an explosion, it had to reach 1.4 solar masses.
That is about 1.5 times the mass of our sun.
And some of these, the type 1A supernova then are at the level of 0.7.
That would be about half of the mass needed to reach the Chandra-Seekar limit.
So this is very troublesome then to the physicist.
But again, I had a very dear friend who was a physicist.
and I explained to him how I had been instrumental in stopping the development at the superconducting supercollider in Texas.
He was very angered by this because he felt that no matter what the dangers were, I had submitted my papers then to members of Congress.
Yeah, it was some knowledge then of these possibilities.
I had also communicated earlier with the governor of Texas.
And so the provision then made by the state of Texas was that if the development of the superconducting supercollider was not more than halfway, which it wasn't, then the state of Texas very cleverly said we get everything, and they did.
They got all of the factories and the tunnel and everything.
Dear Art, I agree with Professor Kaku that the source of the gamma-ray blast detected on December 14th, 12 billion light years from Earth, could indeed be the collision of two massive black holes.
Stephen Hawking postulates that separation of black holes after such a collision would create wormholes that could be used for space travel.
I'd like to ask Dr. Dixon's opinion about the theoretical physics of creating wormholes via two artificial black holes absent a singularity, then displaced in space but connected by hyperphysics, could be used for space travel of an advanced civilization similar to that used in the movie Contact.
Well, I if you look at a recent article in the Physics Review, it showed then that the very large sizes needed for, say, space travel could be theoretically understood from the point of view of physics and also mathematics.
So that I would say that as far as a theory of going from one place to another and also time travel, would also be theoretically possible with the use of the white hole, as it's called.
On the other hand, it will take quite a while to develop that because the action of gravity and other forces within the white hole would be very intense.
So you might not survive it, but perhaps an inanimate object could pass it for a while.
Well, in the creation of the atomic bomb, we have not only used two in anger, but we have detonated many, many, many tests, the most recent being by India.
So if we look at the possibility of a desider space penetration, it's almost incomprehensible to imagine it could be done and we won't do it.
I'm going to try and encapsulate this for you, those of you joining at this hour, but it is absolutely a remarkable thing he's telling me.
I've never heard it before, and so I suspect you never have either.
But going on now in Chicago is the building of, I guess, an accelerator, I guess that's the way to put it, that will actually have the possibility of creating here on Earth,
if there is a miscalculation easily made, a supernova which would not only vaporize our planet completely, but vaporize virtually everything out to about 50 light years.
Are we kidding?
Is he kidding?
No.
Three times nominated for a Nobel Prize.
He apparently had quite a bit to do with stopping the accelerator in Texas, and now he is very, very concerned about what's going on in Chicago at the Fermi Lab, where they are building this new faster, greater, more powerful machine, accelerator, I guess.
And I'm a little weak on that point.
We'll check in a moment.
But he is very, very serious.
And we could be literally months away from extinction as a planet, as a system.
Well, no, the accelerator now has been going on for quite a number of years.
And I was able to communicate with the director, John Peeples Jr., Dr. John Peeples Jr.
And we were able to keep the energies at 1.8 trillion electron volts.
It could conceivably have gone up to 2 trillion electron volts, but I guess he was convinced enough by my arguments to keep it about 10% below its full energy for about 10 years now.
He's been again criticized in the literature for doing that, as you would well imagine.
But now, as I think also you have mentioned, the sort of general thrust of mankind is to go ahead willy-nilly to increase the energies, and so they're now going to have some downtime, and then within a very short period of time, that's within half a year, they'll be starting up again in the, let's see, 1999 with about 10 times their current energy.
So moving it up then to about 20 trillion electron volts.
So this is why I have a very general concern at this time that before they again increase the energy that we go through a careful review process and look at it not just, shall I say, in terms of what the scientists think, but the general public should be satisfied that it is completely safe and then they can go ahead.
Well, you can call your congressman or in Canada your parliamentary representative and this way make sure that the development at Fermilab is stopped right now.
And also we have the greater development at CERN in Switzerland and this could also be halted due to public pressure.
We have right, I think it was today across the globe, we have then President Suharto who is one of the great dictators of all time who had to step down because of public pressure.
So I think the public should not underestimate its ability to halt this kind of thing until the public is satisfied that it's completely safe.
Well, while that's true, I think they now have a new dictator as opposed to elections.
So I'm very concerned that they're going to go ahead with this anyway.
Are they showing any signs based on your communication and worries and what you've had to say about all of this thus far, of slowing down or not doing it?
Well, this, again, we look at the actual halting of the development of the SSC, the super collider in Texas, and then the ability of the director, I believe, to keep Fermilab from its full energies for about 10 years, 1.8 trillion electron volts would have could have done 2 trillion.
And so I think that there's very good evidence that the people in charge are responsive to public pressure.
Well, again, we can think of this as a kind of a race, actually, between the people at CERN, that's in Switzerland, and now the people in Furbilab, because the people who have the highest energies are able to discover the top quark or the bottom quark or whatever they're looking for.
They're able then to get the Nobel Prize, if you will, for these fundamental discoveries.
And so we, since the CERN group, we would say, is going forward with all understanding of these possibilities, just going forward, we have to, in a sense, allow our scientists a chance of making fundamental discoveries.
So it's a race, a horse race, between various countries around the globe.
Well, all of the scientists I have spoken with, we have here on our island, we have then the best astronomical observatories on the peak of Mauna Kay, a very large mountain.
I've spoken then to all the astrophysicists, and they all concur that if you carry on these kinds of experiments to their limit, you're going to produce a supernova.
So there's no doubt in anybody's mind.
I think I mentioned the only counter-argument is that it would be a small supernova, which is neither here nor there.
I think that with modern computers and they have the equations, it would be quite possible to calculate the probability of going into the sitter space.
And this is what I'm looking for.
Again, these would be done very carefully by the leading scientists and then published in reviewed journals like the journal Nature.
And they would look at it very carefully.
And at that point, they would say, well, it's either safe or it's not safe.
And we could then proceed on that basis.
That would be my notion.
I think Carl Sagan also would have agreed with that.
We can't just plunge off of a cliff, plunge blindly into the unknown.
Well, I would think that what should be done now is they should have a complete halt to further development, both here and at CERN, a complete halt to development, which would save our country a lot of money, which we need, I would say, very much for other kinds of activities.
And at this point, while we have a kind of breathing space, do very careful studies, and then we go ahead when we're fully sure of its safety or if it's not safe, then we'll have saved a lot of money.
Well, from a probability point of view, you would have to say that as we go further and further towards the energies found at the point of the Big Bang, as we approach that, we're already within trillionths of a second in terms of these energies.
It's a surety that we would then make this kind of transition.
Would this create an instantaneous explosion and in effect an opening between the zitter space and our space, our universe?
That's correct.
Do we know then what would happen?
Not that for us it would matter, but I mean, would it close again immediately, just emitting this instantaneous energy, or is there some possibility it might even remain open?
Well, this I've communicated then with Archibald Wheeler of Princeton University, and he has pointed out then that the white hole, in terms of this kind of language, the white hole then always goes towards crunch, which means it opens, and then after a period of time it then closes again.
So that there's a kind of a control mechanism built into the space-time.
But it's a window then into these primordial energies, and it's not worth our while looking at it.
Again, my unpublished works have indicated that the larger events that are monopolar, if you look out there at quasars and galaxies which are exploding, they have monopolar, one single jet coming out.
And the other objects are about five times smaller and they're bipolar.
So they have two jets coming out.
So the monopolar ones are then the larger ones.
And these, I say, then are the windows into the sitter space.
Back now to Professor Dixon at the University of Hawaii in Hilo.
And again, understand you're listening to a very, very serious man who's very sure of what he's saying.
A man nominated three times for the Nobel Prize, a man who had something to do with stopping the accelerator in Texas because of exactly the same concern.
And, well, I remember hearing a lot about this over the years.
I'm a little surprised that you're not giving your audience credit for being aware of this because I remember not supporting the Super Collider in Texas, not only because of the danger, but because of the incredible expense.
Well, I do remember months ago you had a caller call in and said something about how they needed to go back to studying the particle accelerators for, if I remember correctly, for purposes of learning how to advance in space travel.
And I remember you, I thought, if I remember correctly, you were supportive of that.
And I thought, God, from what all I've heard about these, you know, it could be incredibly risky and dangerous.
And of course, I didn't realize how serious it could be now after meeting with Professor Dixon.
But what I wanted to know is if they are aware of how dangerous this is, which obviously they are, what could be their purpose behind taking this incredible chance?
Well, this is, again, I have an article here which I always mail to everyone.
It's called Quantum Tunneling Towards an Exploding Universe.
Quantum Tunneling Towards an Exploding Universe.
It's from the journal Nature, Theoretical Physics, April 24th, 1986.
April 24th, 1986, the journal Nature, the most respected journal then in the area of science.
The title then is Quantum Tunneling Towards an Exploding Universe.
So this is part of the everyday knowledge of people in physics.
But the people in physics then are, I think, prone then to the human qualities of denial.
They sort of deny what may be happening, what could happen, and they want to just plunge ahead and look at their research.
To them, as I talked with them out in front of Fermilab, it's a kind of holy quest.
They're looking for these kinds of truths and nature, and so they're willing to take the risk.
They may be willing to take the risk, but I don't think the average public would share in that kind of enthusiasm.
This is why I'd like to raise this question for everyone.
Again, it may be something I should also mention here that I've done some work in mathematics also.
And since I can read the equations, I'm a person who's not formally trained in physics, but since I can read the equations and do that kind of work in terms of multidimensional physics, I can then understand what's going on.
So I'm a person then who can understand the work, but I'm not actually a card-carrying physicist.
And that's why I'm really dedicated to saving everyone from these kinds of dangers without having to lose my job.
If I'm working at Fermi Lab or CERN, I think I would be out on the streets.
Well, I think the same notion is you find that with your coast-to-coast radio network, there's a large number of people who are listening to this, and they will easily communicate with people in Europe, and this will then become knowledge world round.
And the people in Europe are very, very active, particularly the Swiss.
No one can imagine how active the Swiss are once they become interested in something.
So we have nothing to worry about if we simply bring this to the general knowledge of the public.
He was talking about the energy and the density in that dimension.
And I was wondering that through the immutable laws of the universe, would it experience a transition into our phenomenon, perhaps from the transitory laws in our dimension?
Okay, when that energy from that dimension comes into our dimension, would the way that our phenomenon is, the way that we experience it, would it be hot?
Would it change coming through that hole into our universe because of immutable laws, things being vibration and a wave?
It would be more like primal energy, which where the galaxy is always moving, it would just be more energy that perhaps we'd be saturated with, like magnetic energy.
I think that's how the physicists actually conceive of the supernova then are, what are they, they call them, the supernova then are fertilizers.
They're sort of bringing in, they're bringing in then the very heavy elements, those I think beyond iron.
And so this is from the point of view of the constituents of life, we would have to say that our planet itself is a second or third generation entity in the sense that we have heavy elements like uranium and things beyond iron.
And so in a general sense, we could then say the supernova are beneficial.
I don't think want our own supernova at this very moment.
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Okay.
I understand that.
So is it possible that it wouldn't be bad, that we wouldn't be destroyed?
Like, I'm not sure, I don't mean to bring in another subject, but I've read about ancient summer, and they speak of a planet called Nibiru that was self-heated self.
Again, one of my main supporters here in Hawaii has always pointed out that not only are they risking your life, but they're using your money to do so.
And so this is one of the reasons that I think the general public should become involved.
In Europe, in CERN, by treaty, I think 1% of the gross national product of most of the nations of Europe goes to this CERN activity.
And so again, this is a tax money, the public tax money, which is being supported by the general public.
So again, your point is well taken, and I would say then you should be knowledgeable, and the general public should be deemed have the ability to understand what's going on in this regard.
Okay, Lori Toy said we have to get spiritually right within ourselves.
Yes, we have to write letters, and yes, praying would be a good idea, too.
But, you know, you talk about this big boom or the vaporizing if this thing goes wrong.
Well, in some bizarre way, that wouldn't worry me as much as seeing a slow death of our planet through ecological destruction and the death that is happening on our planet right now.
So my question to the professor is, it would be a horrible thing if we were vaporized.
And yes, I'm going to write letters, but the death of the planet the way it's going right now, which is worse?
Well, I would like to propose then that we form something called a penguin society.
The penguin society then would address these problems to halt then global extinction.
We have the recent newspapers noticed that the plants are dying out, the animals are dying out, and we possibly also might be faced with extinction, and so we should form this penguin society which would be concerned then primarily with the extinction of species, living beings like ourselves.
Well, the Fermilab then is a counter-rotating ring with protons and antiprotons.
So that's certainly, I guess this is the American view of these things as the most active and most, should I say, essentially energetic of all possibilities, matter and antimatter coming together after many revolutions at close to the speed of light.
I have done that out in front of Fermi Lab for, let's see, a couple of years ago.
We spent six hours across the railroad tracks in Batavia.
I didn't want to actually enter into the Fermi Lab, and we had a wonderful time debating all of the fine scientists who came out of Fermi Lab to talk to us.
So there was, again, I talked even to Dr. Johnson, the man who had constructed the ring.
And while he bought a lot of your arguments, apparently he didn't buy them well enough, or they didn't buy them well enough, because they are moving ahead pell-mell.
There was, again, according to the scientific literature, they held back in terms of the possibilities.
When I wrote to them many years ago, about 10 years ago, they had 1.8 trillion electron volts, and from that point onward, they did not increase it to the possibility of 2 trillion electron volts, which they could have.
So they were then criticized in the scientific literature for holding it back by 10%.
So I do feel, though, that, again, following your point, there's a kind of pressure, international pressure, to go ahead, and it's maybe not possible to hold it back unless you have the public questioning this and looking at it very, very carefully.
Okay, well, when I said debate, I was considering getting somebody from Fermi Labs in view of the fact that they seem to be pressing ahead and getting them on there at some point with you.
Well, I'd like to again offer my very great thanks for all mankind for putting this on the air.
I'd like to form the Penguin Society, the Penguin Society, which would be a place for everyone to rally and join in to prevent extinction of man and other living creatures.
Mr. Bell, I work second shift in North Las Vegas, less than 100 yards from the runway at Nellis Air Force Base at about 12 a.m. this morning.
That would have been about an hour and 11 minutes ago.
Six fighter jets were scrambled and headed due north, probably towards Area 51.
Though daily we are certainly treated to spectacular aerial maneuvers, I have never, ever, witnessed a nighttime sortie at this late time of the day.
Could your experiment to contact ETs via short wave be working?
Have the jets been scrambled to intercept something responding to your attempts at contact?
Can you inquire to someone who might know?
Thanks, Kim.
Well, no, Kim, I wouldn't know who to call, and certainly they wouldn't tell me if I found that person.
However, there are two big items that I want to get to you tonight, right now.
Beginning now, actually beginning three hours ago.
I'm asking everybody, from the Hawaiian Islands on through this great nation to the Caribbean, to Nova Scotia, to the very farthest reaches of my signal, to tune to one special shortwave frequency.
We have tried experiments, I might add, with some success in the past, using telepathy.
It is said, of course, that the others, the visitors, whatever you want to call them, use telepathy to communicate.
So I thought, why not try our own little SETI experiment?
And if there's anybody nearby, let's set up a frequency.
And I found one.
It is 6.890 MHz.
I repeat, 6890, 6.890 MHz.
And what I would like is everybody out there with a Sanjine or any kind of shortwave receiver to get as much antenna as you can muster and monitor, if not record, 6.890.
Now, I'm not setting any kind of a mode of transmission, sideband, AM, FM, because who knows how it would come or what it'll sound like.
But right now, if you've got a shortwave radio, go to it and begin listening to 6890.
Even if you are capable, do not transmit on that frequency, obviously.
But let's see if we can establish some kind of contact.
We will continue with this experiment over the next 48 hours.
But over the next couple of hours of the program this morning, and I'm going to listen myself during breaks, I want you to monitor 6890 very carefully.
See what you hear.
Record what you can.
And we'll see what shows up.
6890, The Great Experiment, Part 4.
Item 2.
I received, I think, the best photograph of a UFO that I have seen short of the Meyer photographs, and I think this one is real.
Now, that is not to suggest that the Meyer photograph is not, but I have in my possession from Ron Sprouse in Hawaii a photograph taken with a 35 millimeter camera.
I've got print here.
It's a big print.
I can hold it up for the camera, although it will not do justice to it.
You know, my studio camera certainly is not going to do justice to it.
However, it is an absolutely astounding photograph.
Now, it was taken with a Canon 35 millimeter camera, 100 ASA film, at 125th second at F8 or 11.
It was taken at a memorial park looking toward the Punch Bowl National Veterans Cemetery of the Pacific.
And Ron says, P.S., I was taking photos of cemetery locations that day and did not, underlined, notice the object in question until later, after developing and printing.
Upon showing the picture around, a co-worker said he has seen similar objects moving about strangely on a ridge above Hawaii Kai in the afternoon, the last Sunday in March of 98.
Aircraft are not allowed over a National Veterans Cemetery.
Now, I scanned the photograph personally, and I did two scans.
One scan of the full photograph, as I am holding in my hand right now, and the other scan a gigantic close-up of this object in the sky.
And I think there is no reasonable explanation for this object.
It is, believe me, and I get, I'm going to say I get 100 UFO photographs a month.
Most of them I discard as either frauds, fakes, or indiscernible.
This is something else.
I'm telling you right now, this is something else.
And with the reference objects in the photograph, and you see the cemetery, then you see what would appear to be some sort of monument, and then you see a large ridge behind, a great big ridge.
It's got to be quite a ways away, tree-covered in Hawaii.
And just above this, you see what appears to be a saucer.
I don't know what else to call it.
It's a saucer.
And I would like your opinion.
As I said, I see a lot of photographs of this kind, but I've not seen one this good.
Go take a look.
It's on my website right now.
I'm trying to get hold of Ron to give us the story behind this, but I think he's pretty well articulated in his facts.
I've got his phone number, and I've tried several times.
He may be out of town.
Anyway, bottom line, this, I think, is the real thing.
You take a look, go ahead and pull it apart the way you do with all photographs and tell me what you think.
I wish I caught Professor Dixon a few minutes ago, but I had a few questions because he was talking about energies that the Fermilab was using as 20 trillion electron volts, right?
Okay, well, I'm not obviously the guy to answer that.
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Okay, I mean, I just bring that up.
And the other thing, too, is that our sun itself doesn't have enough mass to have the capability of producing a supernova, which would mean that there's no possible way that we could produce one on Earth just because there's just not enough energy to go around.
Within a relatively short period lasting about 15 million years, Earth's crust rotated nearly 90 degrees.
Along the way, the stressed supercontinent broke apart and began forming today's familiar map.
When polar wander suddenly accelerates, says Kirschvink, the scientist, these are two scientists from California Institute of Technology who hypothesize this.
When polar wander suddenly accelerates, says Kirschvink, it can cause climate changes that drive biological evolution at a frantic pace.
He says, if we're right, having a convecting mantle may make a planet go into these funny states every now and then and have an important impact on evolution.
My comment is that this was 530 million years ago.
That's roughly about the same time that Mars had that gigantic flood.
And I don't know that there's any connection there.
I mean, this article in itself I find interesting.
Yeah, but anyway, just thought you might be interested in it's a new hypothesis, but you know, one would have to read the article to get all of the pertinent information out of it.
But I thought, you know, you or your listeners may be interested in what's in there.
Our own little SETI experiment going on for the next 48 hours, monitoring 6890 megahertz.
That six dot or 6.890.
6 decimal 890 in the shortwave band.
And it is a clear frequency.
If anybody hears anything, you might want to let me know.
I just got one message from Alaska that they're hearing some sort of weird count on there.
All right.
It says here you might want to clarify to your listeners, it's 6890 kilohertz or 6.890 megahertz, as you will.
That's a gym in New Albany, Indiana.
It is a listen-only frequency.
It is a clear frequency, nearly as I can tell.
And so if there is anything to be heard, we're going to hear it.
Here's somebody else.
Art, I'm tuned to frequency 6.890.0 and I'm hearing a voice on upper sideband saying we hear you but my signal is weak can you check with other callers this was at 208 a.m. in Scranton Pennsylvania all right west of the Rockies we were talking about a hole a little bitty hole that you have in the ground is that right sir yeah and you've been pouring water in it for
Literally hours and hours and hours or all day?
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Well, like I said, this was in my aunt's backyard.
It's been a while since she did that.
She found, when she first moved up here, she was out in the back and found this little hole.
And so she had irrigation water that she'd run in there every week.
And they did a little trench right to it, and they let the water run in there.
Let it run, let it run, let it run.
Never filled it up.
Let it run for, I think it was all night or something.
As I recall correctly, I'm not a physicist at all, but as I recall correctly from what he was saying, He used the term drop-off, or breakoff point.
I don't know what the numbers refer to, but he said that the number 137 was sort of a break-off point um that occurred apparently right after the Big Bang.
Uh the j the very seconds or moments following a big bang.
And at some point um the number seemed to, because of the breakoff point at that number, couldn't be less, couldn't be more.
That'd be precisely 137.
Right.
That that was a point which things began to stabilize.
That was his explanation.
Things began to stabilize the universe.
And if it wasn't for it breaking off at that point, that it never would have stabilized the universe that we know now.
I was just wondering what causes and how do you know if you actually have...
like if there was someone in your past that you had animosity towards or didn't like you and they died suddenly in your home and then you have nightmares about them.
I think that if you're not sure then the answer is no.
If you're really sure that something is going on then you're being haunted.
that's a flippant answer but it's the best I can do well in other words you wouldn't be wondering about it would a would a ghost hang on because they're pissed off at you um if they were you'd probably get a flying frying pan in the head or something of that sort anything short of that i wouldn't worry about it okay all right good luck now listen this monitoring on 6.890
megahertz is going to go on for the next 48 hours now a little less and so tomorrow night we will devote at least one line to results and tapes and people who have uh either heard or not heard we may get nothing something on 6.890 during the day during the night we're going to try and monitor 24 hours a day on the international line you're on the air hi art this
to me and i would give advice to anyone who wants to come here to come i'm getting uh everybody's telling me welcome well that's what i'm hearing from everybody that everybody is being indeed uh very friendly what time is it there now uh right now it's five minutes till twelve noon we really are upside down yes well i'm sure glad you made it through and uh you have friends on the internet huh uh.
Well, I'm going to have Richard on in the next couple of days, because...
because he wants he wants to comment on what's going on in mexico Uh, he thinks that it has something to do with the physics that he's been talking about for so long.
All this heat underground and volcanism in Mexico.
There was a situation that went on back in 1980 that you might be interested in that relates to this story having to do with Vicki Lantrum and Betty Cash, I believe.
It had to do with the incident where they were with their grandson, and they saw a UFO, like a diamond shape in trouble.
And it looked like it was having trouble staying aloft.
And then they noticed like a lot of heat and what have you.
It must have been like about 200 yards from them.
But they also noticed that there was like 20 military helicopters that came out and encircled this thing.
They were there for like, I guess, 15, 20 minutes.
And then finally they kind of escorted this thing off and they all just, you know, went off to the horizon.
But it left like burn marks on the roadway.
They developed, I guess, symptoms like they start to lose their hair, diarrhea, things like that.
It's a ballistic case, I think it's called the Landrum case incident in 1980.
I believed the general last night, not based exactly on what he said on the program, because how are you going to tell about somebody on a voice changer, right?
But because Dr. Lear has known him for 30 years, because so many people vouch for him, that he is exactly who he says he is, my guess was that the man is a reserve officer.
I'm just guessing, folks.
I know that through no knowledge passed on to me by anybody.
But I would guess he is a reserve officer and may have come back with ID acting in an official capacity.
People kind of picked apart the fact that he didn't have ID with him.
If he was a reserve officer, that could have been the case.
Alright, well I'll look forward to a communication from you then, a fax or some kind of communication about what it is we can do, because I'm solidly behind that idea, as you know.
Alright, folks, between now and tomorrow when I go on the air, I'm going to be expecting all of you who have a shortwave radio to use the best antenna you can and to very carefully, both day and night, monitor 6.890 megahertz, 6890, below the 40-meter band, somewhat below the 40-meter band.
And we're going to see if we can actually, when you think about it, I'm transmitting with literally millions of watts.
And if there is anybody or anything within the sound of my voice, then they might transmit back on that frequency.
So I'm asking all of you, all of you, no matter where you are, if you have access to a digital shortwave radio, you're going to need that to know where you are.
Listen to 6.890, and we'll get together tomorrow night and see what you've heard.