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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ghost To Ghost 1997 Night 2

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you once again good evening, or good morning as the case may be.
		My time zone Halloween continues, and so of course, Ghost to Ghost continues as well.
		Our annual trek through the weird, the bizarre, the strange, and the true.
		Ghost stories.
		That's what we tell.
		It is completely color-driven.
		We don't have guests.
		You are the ones who get to tell the stories, and it generally is all the scarier because of that.
		Last night was certainly no exception, and I suspect tonight will be a continuation of that.
		A very fine tradition done over many, many years on this program now.
		So we'll get to all that.
		A couple of announcements up front.
		This was kind of cool.
		Just got it.
		Dear Heart, just thought you'd like to know, tonight, Halloween night, Art Bell stock on the Rogue Market reached $35,000 per share.
		In fact, it closed at $35,000 at midnight Eastern time.
		This heart is a solid position for a terrific climb tomorrow.
		Just last Monday, which was Black Monday for Wall Street, you announced your stock had on the same day passed the $30,000 mark, and I predicted this week it would go to $35,000.
		And as of this moment for the closing of the rogue market, it has done exactly that.
		So you watch now.
		Over the weekend and into next week, she's headed toward $40,000.
		You get a chance to go to the rogue market, jump on over and make a mint in rogue dollars.
		How do you find the rogue market?
		You go to my website at www.artbell.com and you will see it on the left-hand side, the link to the rogue market.
		Just feel free to jump on over.
		In addition, last night I put up a really strange picture from Strange Universe.
		In fact, as a matter of fact, I said it was going to be tonight.
		The program covering the alien body that I've got on the website, the photo of the alien body, is going to be on Strange Universe Monday at night.
		So I missed it by a day, or they moved it by a day, I think.
		And it, you know, in a lot of ways, that photograph more befits Halloween than it does an alien, I think.
		You look at that photograph, and there is something more horribly creature-like about it.
		Something out of a bad dream here on Earth than you would find elsewhere.
		But it is represented to be the body of an alien, and the story will unfold Monday on Strange Universe.
		And also, this note upfront, Hiart, here is a report of a significant Halloween sighting from Reno, Nevada.
		My name is Jeremy.
		Gives his whole name.
		I'll give it Jeremy Dunn.
		On the board op here at KOH, until midnight Friday nights.
		He says, I had a couple of listeners call to report a red light moving very slowly south of town.
		They tracked it for several minutes.
		I went outside and I saw it myself, as is my board op.
		I called the Reno-Tahoe Airport, and guess what?
		They were getting calls on it.
		The tower saw it and, as a matter of fact, had it on radar, but did not know what it was.
		A departing flight reported the object to be at about 9,000 feet altitude.
		Thought you'd like to know, Jeremy 73 is Jeremy.
		Oh, he's a ham.
		Jeremy is also a ham.
		So there you go, a Halloween sighting of all things of a red light, noted even by radar up there, as things continue to flash across our skies.
		Another very, very good Phoenix picture coming shortly.
		As a matter of fact, not of the original March 13th Phoenix lights, but of a recent UFO right over the city of Phoenix.
		What is it about Phoenix that's attracting UFOs?
		Linda will have a specific report on this one coming up this Sunday.
		At any rate, we launch into the world of the unseen shortly.
		And it's interesting, I was doing an interview or did a sort of an off-the-cuff interview on KST in Sacramento earlier in the day.
		And since it is Halloween, they decided to call me and do a brief interview on Halloween.
		And I told the talk show host there, go ahead, give it a shot.
		Try it after the interview.
		I said it on the air.
		Open your lines.
		And don't laugh at people.
		Don't scoff at them.
		And just watch what happens.
		And then I later got a fax and said, boy, were you right.
	Lines lit up and stayed lit up.
	Thanks.
	Now, why would ghost stories be important to hear beyond the obvious fun, The vicarious fun, I might add, of hearing somebody else scared out of their wits.
	Now, I say vicarious because that's really what it is.
	At least for me, when it comes down to something really happening to you, as in me, then the vicarious part of it dies a little bit.
	And I found out the other night, scared the hell out of me during the Brad Seiger interview.
	I know that a lot of you heard it, but right in the middle of that interview, just as I finished a break and the music was fading, and I took my headphones off to head off into the other room, something went on my door.
	And I mean, just like that.
	I don't even know that my mic was able to adequately reproduce the pounding sound that occurred on my door.
	Really, really loud.
	Not an outside door.
	No outside rattle, no rock, none of that baloney.
	This was something that pounded on my door to the degree that I'm sure had I been all the way turned around and seen it, the door would have rattled inward visibly.
	And so since I was already on the way up, I went right over and opened the door that quick.
	And there was nothing there.
	Now there are four possibilities in my home for such a sound.
	Three of them are kitty cats who were sound asleep on my bed.
	The fourth is my wife, who also, until I interrupted her, was sound asleep on our bed.
	So in other words, none of the four suspects had made the sound.
	So what pounded on my door at a decibel level that would cause Alfred Hitchcock, were he around, to raise his eyes in surprise, I have no idea.
	But I do know this, the vicarious part of it stopped like that, and the actual scary part of it began for me.
	It really was scary.
	So anyway, I will attempt to vicariously enjoy the ghost stories of all of you out there beginning shortly.
	Well, all right, we're about ready to get underway, though I do have a current situation here, I suppose I should address.
	I just got this from John in Santa Barbara.
	Hi, Art.
	I know you're not on the air right now.
	It's 15 minutes before the show.
	I am in Santa Barbara.
	I live alone and just went into my bathroom to find the bottom of my shower, my tub, shower in the tub, red with what looks like blood.
	There is also a red stain of a hand print on the wall in the shower.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been here about a year now and have never had anything or seen anything like this before.
		I don't really know what to do.
		I'm shaking now.
		I'm not sure I'm going to stay in this place tonight.
		I was wondering if when you get on the air, you might be able to ask your listeners for advice.
		I've tried to call my landlady, but there is no answer at her place, of course.
		Right now I'm thinking of heading to a motel.
		What would you do?
		I wish you a good and safe Halloween.
		I'm sure not going to forget this for a long time.
		Hope the motel has a radio so I can hear your show.
		Well, listen, my friend, if your shower is covered with blood, and if there really is a bloody hand stain on the shower wall, my most sincere advice to you would be to call 911.
		Before concluding that you are merely having a Halloween prank, I think that I would get hold of the police.
		And they will quickly enough tell you if you have blood on your wall, if you have blood in your shower.
		And if you do, it is better that you would call 911 than your landlady or somebody else.
		Believe me.
		All right, now to the phones and the unexpected.
		Whatever it is going to be tonight.
		Here it comes.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good evening.
		Oh, hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm in Cape Junction, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cape Junction, Oregon, all right?
unidentified		Yeah, my mother was a faith healer, and I've seen a lot of things over the years.
		I'm 46 years old.
		They don't scare me anymore, but I've had several of them happen.
		One of them that really sticks out in my mind, several years ago when my would-be wife and I were together, we were at my mother's house sleeping on the floor, and I woke up about 3 o'clock in the morning, and I seen this mist at the end of the bed, and it was a gray mist.
		And so I lit up a cigarette, and I'm watching it, and it's moving back and forth, and it looked like the Grim Reaper is what it looked like.
		And my wife woke up, seen it, hollered, and it went away.
		A week later, she became very ill, and we took her to the doctor.
		They said it was an inflamed ovary.
		I took her home.
		We took her back again in another week, and they said it was stomach flu.
		And finally, something just told me to take her to another doctor, and her appendix broke, had been broke for two weeks, and she almost died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's much too long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two weeks is much too long.
unidentified		Well, the doctors told her it was an inflamed ovary or stomach flu, but I got worried.
unidentified		She was looking really bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she was lucky to be alive at all.
unidentified		Well, yeah, some kind of antibiotics in her system formed a bag around it, and that's the only thing that saved her.
		But there's been several incidents.
		I've made several predictions.
		Nine of them come true, the ones that I made, and it's Scary sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		The human body is an amazing thing.
		Far more amazing than the scientists are able to yet discern.
		In some cases, the human body is capable of protecting against what otherwise would be a fatal disease.
		And there are no exceptions.
		Sometimes things just cure themselves.
		Cancer, AIDS, to the point that AIDS can no longer, you know, the HIV virus can no longer be detected.
		People have cured themselves.
		Literally, from the deathbed, Daniel Brinkley is capable of healing himself.
		He's proven that to me and to a lot of other people as well.
		It can be done.
		A miracle?
		I don't know.
		What do you think?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good evening.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where, pray tell, are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm Samuel, and I'm on the island of Kauai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The island of Kauai, the beautiful island of Kauai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir!
unidentified		It is.
		Oh, see, I got one that should freak you out.
		I was about six years old and laying in bed, and we had clock radio, and I know it was like about 4.07, maybe 4.08 in the morning, and I just woke up for some reason.
		I have no idea why.
		And I had this really kind of creepy feeling, and I looked up, and there was, of course I didn't know it at the time, but I know today it was, it certainly looked like the Grim Reaper.
		It was the black hood, couldn't see the face, and I just freaked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might have been the devil.
unidentified		The devil?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The devil.
unidentified		Well, why do you say that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, it just might have been.
		I mean, generally, when people talk about visitations by gods or angels that are going to take them, you know, from this life into the next, they are light creatures or they're wearing white clothing.
		Now, if your guy had on black clothing, kind of a men in back of MIB from below, you know, that, you know, now look, I'm not trying to worry you.
		I'm just saying that you might want to review the way you're living your life.
unidentified		Well, no, no.
unidentified		Let me finish the story first off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, so I kind of freaked, didn't quite like the character that I saw in front of me, so I closed my eyes, kind of pulled the covers up over me, and I had this tingly, kind of sparkly sensation of, I don't know what you would call it, energy or something or other.
		And I closed my eyes, and a couple seconds, or I don't know how long it was, a minute, I opened my eyes again, and I knew I was awake.
		And I looked up, and I could see our hallway, ceiling, passing in front of me, up above me.
		And I went, what the heck is going on here?
		And I was freaking floating, man, down the, I wasn't walking because I was on my back.
		And I'm cruising down our hallway.
		And so I certainly closed my eyes again because I did not like what I was experiencing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would have been a good opportunity to change some light bulbs.
unidentified		So I closed my eyes again, and we had another clock radio in the digital, you know what I mean, in the living room.
		And I opened my eyes again, and I'm laying on the floor in my living room underneath our coffee table.
		I could see the clock radio, the digital lit up, and like one minute had passed from when I, I could see the clock when I was in the bedroom and I first experienced this.
		And so I was completely wide awake.
		And I, needless to say, I didn't move.
		I slept underneath our coffee table until the sun come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you don't really know, do you, what occurred?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't really know what happened?
unidentified		Well, of course, I'm six years old.
		How would I know what that?
		I still don't know to this day what the heck happened.
		But you're a bad six-year-old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must have really done something terrible, Ted.
unidentified		No, I was a bad 20-year-old.
unidentified		I was a good six-year-old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		A bad 20-year-old.
		Yeah, we were all bad 20-year-olds, weren't we?
		You know, just, you know, there's some way, somehow, that I suppose I have to hope that God judges people at a latter age.
		And that may be one of the bad things about dying at 20.
		I mean, think back to your own life.
		You'd have died at 20 and gone through a full life review, short as it would have been at that point.
		At the age of 20, you would look a whole lot different than you would at 40, 50, 60, 70 years old.
		Think about it.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		It's in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, yes, sir.
unidentified		We're getting better, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know New Orleans, New Orleans really is a place where this kind of stuff flourishes.
unidentified		Yeah, and the one I'm going to tell you has something to do with Marie Laveau.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it's a real spooky story, but it actually happened.
		I mean, I'll kid you not.
		And this is how it happened.
		I had some friends that were in a play at UNO.
		It was like a teleplay film.
		And one of the pictures I had was the girl who played Marie Laveau.
		And I had dug them up a couple of months ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dug them up.
		All right.
		On that note, we're going to have to pause because we're at a breakpoint here.
		Now, do you want to hold on and we'll let you unwind your story?
unidentified		I got so many stories from being down here, but this one...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the one we...
		The very best story you've got, and it sounds like that's what's just ahead.
		As we do every year, this is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		Ghost AM
unidentified		You're listening to a rebroadcast of Coast to Coast AM with ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, back to our wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're back on the air again.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'll just recap it for a little bit.
		Actually, I was looking for some important papers, you know, and I was scrummaging around boxes and stuff.
		And I was digging in this one box, and I came across a picture of this girl who acted in a movie about Marie LeVeau.
		And, you know, you're an affectionato for exotic girls and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You know?
		And this picture was beautiful.
		I had to have it.
		I just asked her if I could have it, and she said, yeah.
		She was surprised that somebody wanted a picture of her.
		So anyway, I said, I'm going to put this on my wall.
		And so I took it, and I put it on the wall next to a poster.
		Okay, and it was right behind a lamp, but you could see it when you walked in the room.
		And that night I went to bed, woke up the next morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, darn, I was going to guess she came to you in the night.
unidentified		Well, let me finish.
unidentified		Let me finish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It totally blew me away.
		I was getting up out of bed, and the lamp was still on, right?
		And there was a reflection on a dark TV screen.
		And the reflection was about six inches by six inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		And it was some mad character.
		A devious-looking smile.
		It wasn't me.
		It was coming from the wall where I placed this picture of the girl that played Marie Laveau.
		And by just moving, putting the picture in a certain way with a poster behind it and whatnot, this mad image came out on the screen of the TV.
		It was just a reflection.
		And I said, my God, what is that?
		And I got up and it disappeared.
		And I said, man, this is strange.
		And I turned the lamp off and there was no reflection there.
		And so that night, the same thing, I got the lamp on, I turned off the TV, and the reflection comes back of this mad-looking person, devious-looking face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm going, man, this is crazy, you know.
unidentified		And what I did was, eventually, I just moved the picture to another spot, and the thing went away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess one could conclude that you were getting sort of a distorted reflection of her in the television.
		Or it may be the reflection of her in any other object would be a creature that you would not want to meet in the middle of the night.
		I really thought your story was going somewhere else.
		I thought perhaps in the morning you would have awakened with the need for a cigarette, though you don't even smoke or something like that.
		In other words, she came to you in the midst of the night.
		But no.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air on Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		I'm from Gulfport, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gulfport, Florida, okay?
unidentified		All the way across the continent from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a little continent, though, now.
unidentified		Well, that's true, especially nowadays.
		Yes.
		I wanted to tell you about something that happened in about 1977, 1978.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First person to you?
unidentified		To me.
		Okay.
		At the time, I was working at O'Hare Airport.
		I was working security there, my first job.
		And I was living in Chicago with four other roommates, all guys.
		That way we didn't have to worry about doing laundry and stuff.
		Everybody's stuff was all over the place, and we didn't give a care.
		So, you know, I worked late nights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Communal trash.
unidentified		Yeah, basically.
unidentified		Basically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I've got the picture.
unidentified		Typical bachelor pad.
		I worked late nights predominantly.
		But one night, it was Halloween night in, like I said, 77 or 78, I worked in the evening from 4 to 12.
		And when I got home, now these guys, you know, the other three guys had been sort of dabbling in the occult.
		They'd gotten a bunch of books on demonology and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your roommates were doing this, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, they were doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that's a red flag right away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't that worry you a little bit?
unidentified		Not really, because, well, I have my own beliefs, and I'm not really that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you weren't worried about ending up on a sacrifice altar some night with the three of them staring at you?
unidentified		No, not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		These guys were a little bit nuts, but they weren't that bad.
		I think I would have...
		I would like to think that I would have...
		Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Eric, they would be looking down at you saying, Eric, we gave you every opportunity to join us.
		We really wish you had.
		But now we need you for a higher purpose.
		And then there would be this long, jagged, twisted knife.
		You know how that goes.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At any rate, the original sacrifice was.
		That's right.
		So none of that was true.
unidentified		No, none of that, none of that.
		But I came home and I found that they had gone into the basement.
		Now, this was a big, you know, long apartment building, you know, two blocks long.
		It was a zigzag architecture, sort of like an L-shaped pattern.
		And in our section of the building, we had exclusive use of the basement.
		And I came home and I looked around, I didn't see them anywhere, and I happened to notice that one of their books was out on the table.
		So I went down looking for them in the basement.
		And they'd gone ahead and made the protective circle of sanctified sand, and they had the pentacle on the inside of the circle of sand.
		And one of the guys was doing some sort of a summoning, attempting to summon a demon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		and like i said i'm not exactly the most uh...
		believing individual in the world i've got my you know i've got my own religious beliefs but the demonology in that i Here they were trying to summon up something with big teeth.
		And right in the middle of it, I made the comment, if there is a devil, give us a sign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes you part of it, you know.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I guess so, but at the same time, I was being a sarcastic little schnuck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peer pressure, I guess.
unidentified		Well, no, I was being sarcastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you said, fine, if there's a devil, let's have a sign, and what happened?
unidentified		Well, inside the basement, far corner, was a foot locker.
unidentified		Okay, old World War I wooden foot locker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And inside that foot locker was a radio.
unidentified		It's funny, you'd mentioned the transistor radio earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		This was a transistor radio.
		It had been in a fire.
		It was one of the other guys.
		It had been his brother's, and he had stuck it inside the foot locker after it had burned.
		Why, I don't know, but he did.
		And it was one of those things where the foot locker itself was damaged.
		Nobody could get into it without destroying it because his younger brother had gone ahead and pulled a practical joke on him and stuck some super glue in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that'll do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so we've got to get to the punchline here.
unidentified		The key had broken off.
		Nobody could get in.
		That radio had not worked in, I don't know how long.
		Immediately after I said, you know, give us a sign, that radio started playing.
		She is a devil woman with evil on her mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It started playing that.
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you understand the implications of that for your soul?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very nice laugh you have, but I'm being very serious.
unidentified		I understand what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready for the ride?
unidentified		There won't be.
		There won't be.
		Uh-huh.
		I know where I'm going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever been in an elevator in like a 50 or 60-story building and you press the down thing and it's like you lose some of your weight and you can feel yourself lightening up as it goes down?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's nothing compared to the ride you're going to take.
unidentified		Oh, well, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just having fun with you.
		But that is not good.
		You do not, particularly in a situation of a circle of safety, protection, a pentagram, three other guys, ask for a sign from the devil, and then obviously get one and not be somewhat concerned about your ultimate destination.
		And it won't be on L1011.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Well, hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I'm really glad you took this call.
unidentified		I want to tell you something that happened to me about 23 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you now?
unidentified		Okay, this is Lady of Kinnick.
unidentified		I'm in Kinnick, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		Oh, wonderful, okay.
		and this happened back when i wasn't living right and uh...
		you mean you were Living a little on the wild side, pass lane, that kind of thing?
		Yeah, it was worse than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Worse than that.
unidentified		Anyway.
		It was down in Fort Lauderdale, down from the Brower General Hospital.
		There was this house, and they went and they turned it into a haunted house.
		And it had like all these exhibits and booths and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a commercial haunted house?
unidentified		Yeah, it was a commercial one.
		Well, what had happened is my father was killed on Thanksgiving Day before I was born.
		And I wasn't born until three days after Christmas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So killed as in murder, do you mean?
unidentified		No, he went in an airplane crash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And they didn't find his body until I was like six months old.
		And my auntie, who was very psychic, saw my mother's side of the bloodline, that's their problem.
		And there was this pair of wooden shoes that he had brought back from when he was in the military, and he gave them to my auntie, and she had them in this, like a china closet where my uncle had gone all over the world and collected all these things.
		And I always wanted them wooden shoes.
		And she passed over, and the shoes came to me.
		And I had them, I was living in this apartment, and there was a television set that had not worked in years.
		And I went and had a bedspread put over it, and I had this big mirror to where you kind of see yourself laying on the bed.
		Like I said, I wasn't living right back in them days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing wrong with that.
unidentified		I know, I know.
		Anyway, what had happened is I went to this haunted house exhibit, and the very last exhibit, before you go out the door, there was this plaster repair skull, and it looked really, really real.
		And I reached over and I grabbed it, and I put it in this big handbag I had, and I booked out with it, and I had had this thing for a couple of months.
		I moved to this apartment.
		I took the skull and I had it on top of this old TV, which had not been used in years.
		There was no plugs on the wall.
		I just had it like a table.
		I guess you could call it an altar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My mama told me to be careful about chicks who carry skulls.
unidentified		Oh, man.
		It gets worse.
		And I had this skull sitting on top of this TV, and I had a wooden shoe on each side of it, and the mirror was behind it.
		And I had this crocheted green thing like hanging up wispy over the mirror.
		And I went to sleep.
		And at this time, my son was just a little itty-bitty, just a couple of months old.
		And I went into the sleep, and I kept hearing this voice, and it told me to wake up.
		And it's like I had a really hard time waking up.
		And when I woke up, this is gospel.
		Just like on them biker shirts where you see the skull with the flames shooting out of the side.
		There was no ashtrays.
		There was no cigarettes.
		From the side of this skull, there was these flames that were just absolutely shooting out like there was a blowtorch turned on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And the inside of the shoes, like where it would go in the inside of your feet, was just absolutely charred.
		So I got up, I took my son, I set him outside the apartment on the grass.
		i went into the to the bathroom because all i had was a shower i dumped the diaper bucket and i got a bucket of water and i went ahead and poured it over this call in everything you know what i thought You betcha.
		Let me tell you something.
		This is going to blow your mind.
		When I walked outside and letting the smoke come out of the apartment, these two little girls that I knew that were teenagers, they worked at Burger King off the Sunrise Boulevard.
		This was like 23 years ago.
		They came back to visit me.
		And they asked me, like, wow, what's going on?
		I said, walk inside the apartment and tell me if you see anything.
		And they walked in, and they came out, and they were as white as sheets.
		I said, what did you see?
		Art, there in the mirror was the most perfect picture of me asleep on the bed done in smoke.
		And I want you to know, you talk about getting up and moving out that day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that when you changed your life?
unidentified		No, I didn't get baptized until 1988.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Yeah, that's why I really wanted to talk to Harlotte the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to replay the show with Harlotte tomorrow night, serving fair notice to my affiliates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was one freaky show.
unidentified		Do you think she's listening right now?
unidentified		Or do you think she's busy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I had to guess, I'd say yes.
unidentified		May I say one thing to her?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may.
unidentified		Harlotte, if you're listening, I want you to know that when you went and summons Lucifer, who's actually in the lower heavens right now, to talk to God about having your son to be in the satanic religion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She didn't talk to God about having her son.
unidentified		She talked to Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She talked to Satan and delivered her son.
unidentified		To deliver her son to where he would be to the craft to be a priest for Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, that baby's home safe with Jesus.
unidentified		Well, I guess the Lord is a merciful God to spare that child that kind of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But how do you know that?
unidentified		Because it's a little EDTV little baby, and she talked to Satan about having him to become in the faith and to be dedicated to Satan and to grow up to be a priest.
unidentified		And the baby ain't here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I thank you for the call.
		I'm not sure of that.
		I have no way of being as sure.
		By the way, my all-time favorite person in scary movies, beyond any shadow of any doubt, is now Christopher Walkin.
		I saw Prophecy, and I just had the opportunity to see Prophecy 2.
		And I'm telling you right now, there is no more natural, evil, scary, perfect person for the part of an archangel gone bad than Christopher Walken.
		The guy is positively eerie.
		He's absolutely incredible.
		Okay, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Tonight we shall devote to, well, what we're doing.
		Ghost stories.
		We do that this year kind of Ghost to Ghost Plus.
		I'm Mark Bellin.
		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		Lead me this way.
		I can't say goodbye.
		Mama, that's all I do, that's all I do.
		Surrender.
		Oh, yeah.
		And I have left my dreams in me in quite a single way.
		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		To reach Archfell in the Kingdom of Nigh, from east of the Rockies, dial 1-800-825-5033.
		That's 1-800-825-5033.
		From west of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, call ART at 1-800-618-8255.
		That's 1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers, dial ART at Area Code 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that takes care of it except for the international line.
		And I am encouraged tonight to give it out.
		I've been getting so many international emails.
		Boy, they just have been flooding in.
		I got a nice one from Scotland earlier tonight.
		Somebody said, man, you've got a lot of listeners here in Scotland.
		They don't do the kind of show you do here.
		And so I thought I would tell everybody in Scotland and England and Japan and all over the world that we have one of the first, no, the first true international toll-free line that AT ⁇ T ever constructed.
		It's toll-free From anywhere in the world.
		It's absolutely remarkable, actually.
		Let me tell you how to call us from anywhere in the world.
		It'd be a fun night to get a bunch of international calls, wouldn't it?
		So here we go.
		You get the ATT operator on the line.
		She's not hard to find.
		You call your local operator and just ask for the AT ⁇ T operator and say, I would like to call in the United States, toll-free, 800-893-0903.
		From anywhere outside this great nation, we are borderless on this radio program.
		That's 1-800.
		No, not 1.
		Actually, you don't dial the 1.
		You just have the AT ⁇ T operator dial 800-893-0903.
		And from wherever you are in the world, it will be absolutely toll-free.
		By the way, my boss, Alan Corbeth, is preparing to wing his way to Great Britain.
		And one of the things he's going to be doing there is consummating the deal with a talk radio network in Britain to carry the program.
		So we are going to spread our wings a little bit, and we are, for at least a period of the evening, going to be live throughout the British Isles, Scotland, and who knows where else we're heard in Europe.
		But we're going to get on a radio network there.
		It's going to be a lot of fun, particularly with the toll-free line.
		So once again, if you're outside the country, scare up an AT ⁇ T operator and have her call 800-893-0903 from any place in the world, and we will whisk you in toll-free.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		My name's Sherry, and I'm from Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sherry.
unidentified		Okay, this happened back in 1980.
		I was dating this really neat city councilman, and he had bought an older home, beautiful old home, and he converted this big attic into a beautiful big bedroom.
		And it must have been, I don't know, 30 feet long on this one side, and that whole side was nothing but a big closet, huge long closet.
		You know how you are about closets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		So night.
		Now, up until then, I'd never believed in this stuff.
		So he was asleep one night, and I hadn't been, but I fell asleep, and a knocking woke me up.
		Didn't stir him at all.
		So I kind of opened my eyes and was looking, you know, and I looked over at the closet and out popped this head down to the shoulders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Her head out of the closet to the shoulders?
unidentified		Down to her shoulders.
		She popped her head out, and she had short brown, kind of wavy hair and a flowered dress on.
		And I stared, you know, and I kind of froze, and I just stared and looked, and then she turned her head and looked at me, and we kind of eye to eye, you know, and she went back in the closet.
		And I just, I mean, I woke him up.
		I said, Ed, wake up, wake up.
		I just saw the most strange thing.
		I know I saw it.
		And he said, what was it?
		What did she look like?
		I told him, he says, oh, don't worry about her.
		He said, she's real nice.
		He said, when I built this room, I saw her, when I finished the closet, he said, she walked in there.
		But what we figured out, he said, why she was there, was this house was built by her father when she got married, and the man left her, and she committed suicide in the attic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so she was in your closet?
unidentified		Yes, and she lived in the closet, and she liked him because he said, don't worry about her.
		She's really nice.
		Well, I told she can have him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that was the end of that, huh?
unidentified		No, I got out of that deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you at all.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I don't like open closets at night.
		Now, I've never had anything peek out of my closet, and if I did, my intense dislike of open closets at night would quickly convert to, I'm leaving this closet for somebody else.
		I'd be out of here.
		There is no way, there's no way on God's green earth that I would go to sleep with a closet open or closed from which somebody had peeked their head and shoulders out.
unidentified		No way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way.
		On my international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Vancouver, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Vancouver.
		Welcome to the program.
		Do you have a ghost story for us?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Oh, right.
		Okay.
		Better do that up in Vancouver.
		Okay.
		When I was young, my father bought a house, and it was built in the 1920s.
		And this guy gave it to him for a really good price, and so he bought it.
		And two weeks later, the guy came back and begged him to have the house back and said he should have explained to him more about what happened in the house before he had sold it to him.
		So anyway, my father said, no, this is our first house.
		We're going to keep it.
		And apparently, what this guy told my father, and he never said anything to the family for years till later, was that there was three generations living in the house.
		They were from the West Indies, and they were practicing voodoo.
		And basically, he said he wanted to buy the house back from him, and he shouldn't have let a young family buy the house in the first place, knowing the history.
		So anyway, my father thought, well, you know, we're just going to live with it, and went on with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He accepted it.
		You know what I would have assumed?
		I would have assumed that the guy somehow had buyers, excuse me, seller's remorse or somehow, you know, wanted the house back, and a good story of a haunting in the house is a great way to scare somebody to sell it back to you.
unidentified		Maybe that's what my dad thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know, because he was a pretty skeptical person when he came to this kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		But then a lot of things happened all through the years when we had lived in the house.
		A lot of weird things happened.
		And in fact, it led to the, it got so bad that we'd had three or four priests come to the house and bless the house.
		And there was one time when it was so bad, one priest was summoned to come to the house and bless the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what could have happened in that house to be so bad that you would summon it?
unidentified		Just a lot of different things.
unidentified		We had a lot of religious paraphernalia on the walls, like crosses and pictures of Jesus and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we had this one cross that kept dropping to the floor.
		And there was no way that that could happen because of the way it was hung on the wall.
		It was right above the basement door.
		And that kept falling.
		And my dad thought, geez, you know, why does this thing keep coming off the wall?
		That happened.
		And my mom had a lot of weird things happen where she'd be sleeping and she'd feel a tremendous weight on top of her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		She couldn't move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it became so commonplace, I didn't think anything of it when she would call out in the middle of the night and say, pass me my rosary or pass me the Bible, which she'd keep on her nightstand, but she was paralyzed.
		She couldn't move.
		So I'd come and give this to her, and whatever it was left.
		And it was always targeting her, and I thought, well, you know, maybe it's targeting her because she's always sick.
		So maybe she's weak in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I think they go after the weak.
unidentified		Yeah, so things like that used to go on, and my dad said certain parts of the house are always really cold, and we noticed it, too.
		Things like that.
		And there were just a lot of things like this going on all the time, weird things.
		We'd hear footsteps on the basement steps.
		There's a man who, before we moved in, hung himself in the bathroom downstairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this house just has a great place.
unidentified		But anyway, when the third or fourth time we'd called a priest over the years, one time when these things were occurring more often, he came, and it was a different priest this time.
		And he got out of his car, and my dad came and opened the front door and saw him arrive, and he was going to greet him.
		And he wouldn't come over to the house.
		He wouldn't even step across the street onto the pavement that was out front of our house.
		He said he felt something that was so bad to the house, he didn't even want to enter, come onto our lawn.
		And my dad came down the stairs, and I was standing in the doorway watching.
		The priest was apologizing and said, I'm sorry.
		You know, I'm going to have to send somebody else because whatever is there, I can feel it.
		It's quite bad.
		He goes, I can't handle this.
		And he left.
		He was scared.
		He didn't want to come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that's really bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the priest arrives to do something for the house, and it's so bad that he leaves.
unidentified		Awful.
		He left.
		So we had this other guy.
		He sent him out, and he was so, he felt very bad.
		He was apologizing a lot.
		And he even phoned back a few times to apologize.
		He felt really badly about leaving us there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like a doctor getting up and walking away from some guy's bleeding on the street, you know?
unidentified		Yeah.
		So we had things like that going on all the time.
		And I don't know.
		It just seemed to continue.
		And then one day when everyone was older, when the children weren't children anymore, it seemed to have just went away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may, thank you very much.
		It may have been the children that brought it in the first place.
		Particularly teenage girls, I don't know why, but particularly teenage girls have a propensity for attracting these things or creating them or summoning them or being the source of them.
		We don't exactly know which is true, but we just know the phenomena tends to occur frequently around teenage girls.
		Now, why do you suppose that might be?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
		Hello there.
unidentified		How's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I am Waterloo, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Waterloo, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ha ha, I just played Waterloo.
unidentified		Well, my buddy called last year, okay, for your ghost stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And his parents had bought a sports complex, okay?
		And when we were remodeling this place, we would feel very cold spots in this place, you know.
		So over the course of the year, you know, the place came up and running.
		And, well, late at night when we would all show up there and, you know, skate around.
		It's a roller hockey rink.
		And we started hearing strange stuff.
		But one night, we had come out of the locker room and went upstairs.
		And my friend, Randy, was downstairs in the locker room yet.
		And he come out.
		And, well, first of all, he came up the steps, and he was white as a ghost.
		I was like, what's wrong with you?
		And he's telling me that he seen this black mass that looked like a man that was seven feet tall.
		And he couldn't see through it, but it was just a black mass.
		And it walked towards an exit, or it went towards an exit away from him and went out the door.
		Okay?
		Three weeks later, my friend Aaron is, this is his parents' place.
		He was locking up, and we weren't there.
		But he was going to the office door, and he seen something out of the back of a corner of his eye.
		And he turned around, and this thing was reaching for him.
		As soon as he turned around, it disappeared.
		I mean, he jumped and blinked and it disappeared.
		But since then, there's only one person besides them two that have seen it.
		And he's like a, you know, I know it's true because he like just plays there, you know, and he don't know us or nothing?
		He came up and he goes, I've seen something really weird in the locker room downstairs.
		And he told us what it was.
		He explained it to us to a tee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		Yet another story of an entity.
		Now, as I told somebody earlier today, you can take any one of these stories, and I think you can rather easily dismiss them one way or another.
		You know, as you think them through, you can dismiss them.
		But collectively, you cannot take all the stories you're hearing, and the lines are, you know, as always, just absolutely loaded, and it could go on and on and on and on and on and on.
		When you don't chuckle at people when they tell you a story, then people are unafraid to come forward as they hear others and tell their stories.
		So collectively, how can you possibly deny that these things must be true, that there must be something to it?
		Singly, perhaps.
		Collectively, not a chance.
		Not if you're an objective person and you listen carefully.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Fred from McEastport, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Welcome back from vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I've got a ghost story for you that's confirmed by three different people.
		And first of all, I'd like to ask you a question.
		Did you get my letter about the MUFON report that I sent to you with the triangle and the line on my thumb?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		You did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
		Well, here's my ghost story.
		Bought this house back in 1972.
		My mother did.
		And one of my family's religious practices is once they move into a new house, they call in the priest and have him bless the house and the whole ball of wax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have never done that.
unidentified		Well, she did that.
		I've never, you know, I don't subscribe to that anymore myself.
		But she got remarried after my dad had died.
		He'd been dead about a year.
		And she remarried this bozo and subsequently got divorced.
		But when she got remarried, she moved out.
		So I decided, hey, I've got this whole house to myself.
		I'm moving into the master bedroom instead of my little tiny little bedroom that I had in the back part of the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old were you?
unidentified		I've been back from Vietnam.
unidentified		I was 22.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's like party time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got your own place.
unidentified		Oh, you know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So I'm listening to late-night funk radio.
		Unfortunately, this is back in 1972.
		I don't think I was listening to you at that time.
		But I was listening to the radio, and I turned it off, and I was getting ready to go to bed.
		All of a sudden, you know, we have a lot of at that time we had a lot of factories going on around here.
		I mean, the steel mills were all still going on, you know, great guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		But now they're all dead.
		But the thing of it is, I'm laying in bed and I start hearing what sounded like breathing.
		Labored breathing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, labored.
unidentified		And it sounded like it was, you know, somebody that sounded like had pneumonia or emphysema or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I thought, well, okay, it's one of the factories, you know, and I'm just laying there and all of a sudden it starts getting louder and louder.
		Yeah, right.
		And I'll tell you what, the adrenaline started popping up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course it did.
unidentified		And, you know, me being just back from Vietnam, I grabbed my 45 from underneath my pillow.
		I had a cocktail lock sitting on my chest, and I said, anybody that comes through this damn door is dead.
		And believe it or not, I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but you're lying in bed.
		I've got a street light outside my window in the master bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We must hurry now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're coming up.
unidentified		Yeah, the whole room got really, really dark.
		The whole room got really, really dark.
		And all of a sudden, I started a pressure pushing on my body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I mean, pushing me into the mattress.
unidentified		It was almost like I could not breathe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I got, I'll tell you what, I got the hell out of that room.
		I have never been back in that room.
		I will not sleep in that room.
		When my mother was still married, her son-in-law and wife come over and stayed at our house because they were living in the other house.
		And he confirmed something in the house.
		And this guy was a CIA analyst.
		I mean, we're talking, you know, black seat guy.
		And after my mother, her sister died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 10 seconds.
unidentified		Okay, she took care of her niece and come over.
		And her niece only spent one night in the house and then buggied.
		She would not spend another night in this house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yet another haunted house.
		I guess the party was canceled.
		Oh, boy.
		Ghost Stories from the High Desert.
unidentified		This is Ghost to Ghost, A.M. And now, back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to the phones we go, and the ghost stories continue.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Mark.
		Hi.
		Cindy, calling from Salt Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting, Cindy.
		Apparently, you just had a snowstorm in Salt Lake.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		We had one last Friday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got an article from the Salt Lake Tribune that says the storm started with a bang, a clap of thunder that started and scared people all across Salt Lake City in the valley.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then a snowstorm.
unidentified		Yep.
		I have never heard such thunder in my life.
		We thought it was an earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got the article here.
		And so it's strange you should call.
		And you know, the picture, I'm going to hold It up on my studio cam and let everybody see it, but I've got the newspaper picture, and it shows this witch with a broom about halfway up a pole with all the snow below, you know, trying to get away.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's real interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		It's very strange around here.
		Well, this little story happened in 1981.
		Four of my friends and I were coming home from California from a graduation trip, a high school graduation trip, coming home to Salt Lake.
		We were leaving Palm Springs in the night because it was so hot.
		It's about 120 during the day, so we decided to travel at night.
		We were on the road outside of Palm Springs.
		I can't remember exactly where we were going.
		It was just a two-way road.
		And there was a sign that said no services for a certain amount of miles, so we knew we were going into quite a desolate part of the desert.
		And here we were, you know, five young girls, never really experienced anything like we were going to experience and never have.
		But about an hour into the desert, we were getting tired.
		A few of us were asleep.
		The driver, my friend that was driving, said, what is that up ahead?
		There's someone off to the side of the road.
		And we, one at a time, woke up.
		And the minute we started looking at it, we all got the most horrible feeling.
		It was just an awful feeling.
		And we couldn't figure out what was going on.
		As we got closer, she slowed down, and we noticed there was a woman off about maybe 10 feet off of the road.
		She had white hair, long white hair, white skin, this long flowing white robe, a dress, holding a white dog on a chain.
		In the middle of nowhere, we had not even seen any cars for a long, long time.
		There were no homes or we had not gone through any towns.
		And as we got closer, we realized what it was.
		And the wind hadn't even been blowing that night, but her dress was blowing, her hair was blowing, and she looked at us with the most evil eyes I have never seen.
		She didn't look human.
		Her skin was so pale and white.
		And she looked at us to the left, and as we went by her slowly, her head turned so far.
		There's no way any human head could turn that far to follow us.
		And it was freaky upshades of the exorcists.
		Oh, it was just unreal.
		We were so upset for a long time after that.
		And every time we get together now, after all these years, we always talk about that white lady in the white dress with her dog in the middle of nowhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		Thank you very much for the call and the story.
		And what I said, and she just confirmed, is true.
		Horrendous claps of thunder above Salt Lake, followed by a snowstorm.
		And if you will go to my website right now and take a quick look at the live studio cam, which normally shows a live shot of me sitting here doing the show, catching me in heaven knows what sort of poses.
		I've held up the picture from the Salt Lake Tribune showing a witch with a broom partway up a phone pole.
		And of course you'll recall Patsy Harlot, if you will, who was from Salt Lake City and will be repeated tomorrow night, Saturday night, Sunday morning.
		You're not going to want to miss that if you didn't catch it the first time.
		That's really scary.
		The person included a little caption here of their own that says, hey, Art, look at what happened to Patsy the Witch the other night.
		You'll see that photograph up there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reno, okay.
unidentified		My story is it actually comes out of the 70s from Bremerton, Washington.
unidentified		All right, you're going to have to get into that phone and yell at us because I can borrow off and on for the American Legion in Bremerton, Washington back in the 70s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And the building that the American Legion is in was originally across the street inside the shipyard.
		It was a serviceman's club.
		And back in the 40s, they moved the building from the shipyard across the street to where it is now.
		During the move, there was a man who was crushed under the building.
		For several years while I was tending bar, anybody that was in there heard noises.
		We had secured locked doors.
		Every once in a while a door would open, the alarms would go off.
		We all got very used to it and decided this was the man who had been crushed, and we nicknamed him George because we didn't know what his name was.
		And he was kind of mischievous, but he never really did anything bad.
		But upstairs in this building is a huge hall where they hold bingo and convention dinners.
		On a Thursday night, I was attending bar, and the post commander and vice commander were upstairs setting up the hall for a convention dinner for the next night.
		And they had all the chairs and tables nicely arranged, everything done.
		And about 11 p.m., they came downstairs to the bar, and I was closing things down.
		They sat down to have a beer, and we heard a lot of scraping noises upstairs.
		So they went back upstairs, and a few of the chairs had been moved.
		And they thought someone was in the building.
		They looked all around, couldn't find anybody.
		Came back downstairs.
		I was almost finished closing out and it was like thunder and scraping and it was just horrendous noise upstairs.
		This time, the post commander went up the stairs from inside the building.
		The vice commander went outside the building up the fire escape, just in case there was somebody there trying to get out.
		When they got up there, all of the tables had been moved.
		All of the chairs.
		The wheelchairs that had been in a storage room, which also was locked, were in the middle of the room.
		They came back downstairs, just white as ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I didn't even finish putting my money away.
		We left.
		Locked the building, left the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wise move.
unidentified		Yes, I think so.
		In the morning, they came back to rearrange everything.
		It was all fixed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was all rearranged.
		Tell me something.
		This is just sort of a what-if.
		But if you died and you found yourself trapped here on earth as a spirit, in other words, you could move about and do what you wanted to do, but nobody would see you, nor sense you, nor feel you, nor have any chance of knowing that you're even there, save an occasional rattle or something.
		In other words, you could be a ghost or you could be a spirit or you could run.
		What would you do?
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on earth, you're a spirit.
		You're among the living, but you're not.
		What would you do?
unidentified		That's really hard.
unidentified		First of all, I don't think I'd want to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I didn't ask you, yeah, but I didn't ask you where you wanted to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, if that was the case.
unidentified		I think I would like to be the fly on the wall in the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
		All right for you.
		That's a good one.
		Any of the rest of you who would like to consider that might do so.
		If you, in effect, woke up dead and found yourself surrounded by the living, but utterly invisible to them, unable to affect their actions, what would you do?
		Her answer was a pretty good one.
		Either fly on the wall at the White House.
		But even that, I suppose, would be boring after a while.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air on Ghost to Ghost A.M. Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Well, Elvis says hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Elvis says hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Memphis, huh?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		All right.
		By the way, my wife is very jealous.
		She says that you spend more nights with me than she does, which I'm a truck driver, and I listen to you all the time.
		But getting down to brass tax, it seems as though I've been a magnet all my life for, I don't know, supernatural experiences or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just keep your hand off my knee.
unidentified		I won't touch it, I promise.
		I keep both hands on the wheel of traffic most of the time, anyway.
		Except those occasional times that I doze off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny you should mention that because that does happen to a lot of truck drivers, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even when they don't crash, they fall asleep and they wake up and there they are still going down the road.
unidentified		Well, you have mind lapses, you know, which is like, I don't know if you really go to sleep, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sort of hypnotized, actually.
unidentified		You lose whole towns, you know, like states, you know, towns, pieces of highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I drive a little geo metro, and it's just us metro people really like hearing that about the giant 18 wheelers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead with your story.
unidentified		Okay, when I was 12 years old, my father died.
		And we were very, I was born and raised in a very rural area, and we were very, very poor.
		And I had wondered after my father died, you know, how we were going to do things.
		He was 67 years old when I was born, so that can give you some idea of his age.
		And dad always wore overalls and the old A-type undershirts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And he always wore a felt hat, and he smoked Prince Albert cigarettes.
		And I woke up one night, which, you know, a lot of people say that it was, you know, due to the fact that my father had passed away and all this, and I was wide awake.
		And my father was standing at the foot of the bed, and he always called me Bubba.
		And he said, Bubba, he said, don't worry about it.
		He said, you know, everything will be all right.
		And ever since that time, I've never felt really scared of being around certain things.
		But I had rented a house in the northeastern part of Memphis.
		This has been about four or five years ago.
		And I had a roommate.
		And I would be gone for anywhere from a week to two weeks.
		And I'd come back home, and he'd tell me about these strange things that happened in the house while I was gone.
		And I came home one time, and he was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was gone.
unidentified		He was gone.
		He decided to leave.
		So I was at the house for, I reckon, a month or two by myself.
		And I was dating a woman that had a key to the house.
		I was in the shower one night taking a shower.
		The door is locked.
		There's burglar bars on the windows.
		There's burglar bars on the doors.
		All the doors were locked.
		I'm in the shower taking a shower.
		and the light switch goes on and off.
		And I figured, okay, you know, she's...
		Right.
		You know, she's going to come over, you know, and, you know, try to scare me because, you know, I'd heard certain things and felt certain things in the house.
		And I got out of the shower and dried off, you know, and, you know, just kind of casually walked through the living room and looked around.
		There wasn't anybody there.
		And there was a time when, in the springtime, I had windows that I would open and draw the curtains back and use a ceiling fan.
		And I woke up one morning about 1.30 or two, which is nothing unusual when I went home.
		And I lit a cigarette and was sitting there smoking it, or laying there, and I felt somebody sit down on a bed.
		It was a water bed.
		And there's a mirrored headboard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So I looked at the headboard, you know, because I'm kind of curious because I'm the only one there.
		And there's no one there.
		But you could feel the bed move.
		You know, we're talking about a full-motion mattress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
		I know.
		You can feel the displacement of the water.
		There would be no doubt about the fact that something was on the bed.
unidentified		Right, there's lumps where there wasn't lumps before.
		And like I said, this ghost or spirit or whatever you choose to call it had never shown any signs of being aggressive or whatever.
		And I sat there and finished smoking my cigarette and I said, look, either get up or lay down, one of the two, but I need to get some rest, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just do whatever you've got to do.
		See, that's hard to believe.
		I mean, you have something on your waterbed and you're telling it, look, either get up or lay down because I'm going to sleep.
		How could you do that?
unidentified		Well, the thing is, this, you know, we heard things.
		I sat there and played hide and seek with it one night.
		You know, this thing, this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess people react very differently to these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all I've said.
unidentified		Well, I said, ever since my father had passed away and I had seen him, I have never felt as though they were bad.
		Now, you know, of course, I've never had knives fly through the air or, you know, wake up with my head under a guillotine or things like that either.
		But I have never really felt.
		That they were bad.
		You know, it's always been, you know, like, okay, you know, they're here, I'm here.
		Anyway, what happened?
		Well, I felt the bed move again.
		I put the cigarette out, and I slept with one foot out from underneath the sheets.
		And I, you know, got my nest made, and I'm laying there, you know, just going off into dreamland, and something reached down and grabbed my ankle and shook it like, okay, you know, I'm up, but, you know, I've had the last say.
		But these were things that not only I experienced, but the lady that I was dating experienced, my roommate, as a matter of fact, he still lives in the house, which I've moved out of.
		I have since gotten married.
		And my wife was sitting at the computer one night playing solitaire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's still going on, let me guess.
unidentified		Yeah, our daughter was laying in the floor.
		She had had an overnight friend come over.
		My wife was sitting there on the computer playing on the computer, and she kept hearing my daughter say, we're going to leave my foot alone.
		And she thought this young man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a ghost with a foot fetish.
unidentified		I think that's what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a COVID.
		That's great.
		I just can't imagine.
		I don't know if I believe that.
		I don't know if I believe that.
		Now, I realize people react differently to different things.
		I've got a waterbed.
		It's not free flow.
		It's baffled.
		But I'll tell you right now that if something jumped on, sat on, laid next to me on the waterbed, there is no way in hell that I'm going to sleep.
		No way I'm going to sleep.
unidentified		And then it grabs his ankle and he's still going to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't buy that.
		Even for Bubba, I can't buy that.
		There's just no way.
		There's no way an unseen force grabs your ankle on a waterbed and you're going to go back to sleep.
		I don't think so.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		How are you doing?
		Are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
unidentified		Yeah, I got through.
		I can't believe it.
		This is great, man.
		This just happened to me the other night.
		Hey, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you?
unidentified		I'm out of Pass Rubles, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		KPRL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened?
unidentified		Oh, man.
unidentified		You were talking the other night about a door slamming or, you know, a big bang on my door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		What time was that approximately, you think?
		It was 12.30, 1.30 over there in Nevada?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems to me it was like between 12.30 and 1, but I don't remember precisely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It scared the hell out of me.
unidentified		That night, something happened to me.
		I was in my shop.
		I like to work on rocks and jewelry and stuff, you know, when I'm off in the evening.
		Sure.
		And I like listening to you once in a while.
		Sure.
		And I was listening, and you said something about that.
		And all of a sudden, I heard a thump.
		I mean, it must have been like after midnight because that would be Halloween.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		It was all Halloween.
		That's right.
unidentified		And I heard it's creaking, and the lights kind of were starting to like a power surge or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I looked to my right, and here is this object that is just hanging by its neck.
		And it's stretched out about a foot long.
		What?
		Yeah.
		And when you get out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like a being?
unidentified		it was hanging there looking at me watching me.
		What is the thing?
		It was.
		Yes.
		It was an old man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An old man, and his neck was stretched out.
unidentified		Yes.
		And I mean, I like looked at him and I said, you know, I don't mind hanging around with you or whatever, but you know what?
		It's your pad.
		Just leave me alone and you can hang around all you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I find that as hard to believe that the guy who went to sleep would be something or another in his water bed grabbing his ankle.
		If I saw a man's head stretched out, old man's head stretched out in front of me hanging in midair.
		I'm out of there.
		From the high desert, this is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		Ghost AM is
		On the derring ocean, finally love is no more pain.
		Running every time, you can see the stage inside.
		Watching in no motion as you turn around today.
		Hey, my brother, who love you?
		You're hearing Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		International callers may reach ART in the Kingdom of Nye by first diving their access number to the USA.
		Then 1-800-893-0903.
		1-800-893-0903.
		And you may fax art by calling Area Code 702-727-8499.
		That's area code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit faxes to one or two pages.
		Now again, here is Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Good morning.
		Yes, the tradition continues into the night dark hours as we tell ghost stories.
		And there seem to be plenty of them out there.
		As I told the earlier audience, one might easily dismiss any single story or laugh it off or chuckle it off with a nervous little laugh.
		But collectively, just keep listening.
		Now, back to our lines.
		I do have one thing that I feel I should read you.
		I have received, you know, over the last couple of days, countless communications from police officers and those kinds of people.
		And most of them beg me not to read them on the air because they would be identified.
		Here's one who will allow me at least to read it.
		It reads, Dear Art, I thought I'd take a second to send you a facts concerning several ghost sightings in our area.
		I am a Border Patrol agent who wishes to remain nameless, of course, as my career might be adversely affected.
		During the past few years, we've had the misfortune of losing two of our agents in the line of duty.
		In both circumstances, they died by falling off cliffs in our area here in San Diego.
		In these same locations, several illegal aliens have also died trying to enter the U.S. One night I was working in the same area where one of our agents died.
		It was during the middle of the night.
		A thick fog was beginning to cover the valley floor and move toward my location.
		When the fog came and surrounded my area, a feeling of dread came over me and I began to get very uneasy.
		As I was preparing to leave the area, I saw what I can only describe as several shadowy figures running through the fog, being trailed by another about 25 yards behind it.
		I immediately called to other officers to see if anyone was pursuing these aliens.
		I didn't get any answer, so I moved toward the area where I had seen these figures and began to check the area for the presence of aliens.
		I knew they couldn't have gone far as there were cliffs on three sides of me, and I was covering the only direction out.
		I searched the ground, found the tracks, and followed them to the edge of the cliff.
		The footprints stopped at the edge, and not seeing any others in any other direction, I proceeded to the bottom of the canyon, expecting to find the worst.
		After I went to the bottom, I couldn't find any sign or presence of anyone.
		I believe what I saw was the spiritual remnants of those lost souls.
		I know that this is probably the case, as others have told me they've seen similar things.
		Thanks for your time, and please don't use my name on the radio.
		Okay, I shall not, though you did give it to me.
		So there you are.
		Another case of apparently this endless tape loop business as it regards spirits.
		You can easily imagine that border agents or aliens who had literally run off a cliff would experience a quick, violent, horrible death, and that somehow that death would be repeated endlessly in this horrid little tape loop that appears to accompany some spirit presence.
		Quite a story, and one of just many that I get from law enforcement.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm Connie from Reading, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Connie.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Am I on right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You better be, or we're in trouble.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, I moved in with my boyfriend and his grandfather as he was living with his grandfather before in the house.
		His grandfather died on the couch in the front room.
		Okay, well, I move in with my daughter at the time.
		She's about 11 years old.
		And we've been here a while.
		And she was sleeping in the bedroom, which the open door to it.
		And her bed would be, you know, where she'd lying.
		If she sat up, she could see into the front room.
		And Grandpa, we still had some of the furniture, you know, from them.
		And he had a recliner chair.
		And I rearranged it anyway.
		It was sitting to where if she sat up in bed, you could see right to it.
		Anyway, she'd never met Grandpa.
		And I've never met him.
		The next day, I get up and she says, Mom, I had a bad dream last night.
		And I said, you did?
		Well, why didn't you wake me up?
		And she said, well, because I sat up and I was scared.
		And I sat up and looked up and there was an old man in the chair and he said, it's okay, honey.
		And he was from Arkansas.
		And he talked, it's okay, honey.
		Just go back to sleep.
		And I said, what?
		And I said, Joey, that's my boyfriend.
		I said, come here and listen to this.
		And so she explained it to him.
		And Joey said, well, what did he look like, Jane?
		And she described him to a T because he wore sweatsuits all the time because he had lost a leg, you know, and it was easy for him to wear and he was old.
		And she described his gray sweatsuit and described his looks to a T. She didn't feel scared of it.
		And, you know, we thought that was weird, but I've never gotten scared feelings of any of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		That other guy told you earlier.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I find that just incredible.
unidentified		Well, I know.
		I don't know how to really explain it.
		Well, like that guy sitting now someone sat on the bed like that, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or grabbed your ass.
unidentified		Or grabbed or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on, folks.
unidentified		That would freak me out, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you go to sleep?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		That's why I called her.
		I thought it was so weird, and she'd explain it.
		Well, then one night, I don't know how far in between, within the same, six months or a year, nobody was home.
		I was pregnant, so I went to sleep, took a nap, and I woke up, because I knew everybody was gone for the day, and I woke up, and the reclining chair, grandpa's chair, was one of the kind where if you want the foot thing to come up, you have to grab, well, no, it doesn't come up by leaning back.
		You have to grab that wooden handle on the side of your chair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the type, yes.
unidentified		Right, and it makes a noise, right?
unidentified		And I wake up to hearing that noise up and then going down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Up and down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		And I thought, what?
		And I got up.
		Everything is the same.
		Nobody had been home.
		And there the chair sat, just fine.
		But I still, honestly, you know, I knew that's what I heard.
		I mean, wasn't dreaming.
		I was wide awake, but I didn't fear to have scary feelings.
		I just thought, that's Grandpa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's the question for you that I asked another young lady a little while ago.
		I thought a good one tonight.
		If you were to wake up tomorrow, dead, you wouldn't realize it right away.
		But soon, quickly, you would realize nobody sees you.
		Your body's lying dead on the bed.
		You died in your sleep.
		You're walking around.
		You're still on earth.
		You can see everybody else.
		They can't see you.
		You can't touch them.
		You can't affect them.
		Except perhaps in some minor haunting way.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		you know just the way we're going to have to make that the partner of my question is what would you I was going to add to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know what I would do?
unidentified		It's similar to what the guy did, the lady that was the bartender story about three stories before mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		The way he moved the furniture and they all left.
		And the next day, when they came back, it was put back.
		Some way of making a point, but not to really scare anybody to let them know I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it was you.
unidentified		Yeah, you know what I mean?
unidentified		In some kind of way, just because it would be frustrating not to be able to, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You have then answered the $64 million question.
		We get so many stories about people who have done exactly that.
		That's why I thought I would ask, because it is the logical thing that a spirit here on earth would do.
		Try to find some way to assure those who are left behind who would know the signs that it's them.
unidentified		Yeah, just some.
		I mean, it doesn't have to be evil or anything, just to let them know.
		You know, no, it's not something you're mad.
		No, it was, you know, that's something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		You see what I mean, folks?
		When you reverse the question and you apply it to yourself, now you understand why we get the stories we get.
		Now, granted, there are other classes of very evil presence, poltergeist activity and worse.
		But in the majority of so-called ghost stories, it's dear departed ones that are leaving some sort of sign that indicates to the person receiving it beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are present.
		So you try and answer the question to yourself, if you literally, you know, literally woke up dead, found yourself unable to affect things in any real material way, what would you do?
		The answer tells you why we're getting the kinds of stories we're getting right now.
		Wild Hardline, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in North Louisiana.
		I'm a truck driver.
		I lives in Denham Springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		This is kind of an ongoing story here.
		It started when I was about 15.
		First started dating my wife.
		We lived in a round house.
		The ceilings didn't go all the way up to the roof.
		She was in my bedroom.
		I was in the living room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen round houses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're neat.
unidentified		Yeah, they had one on the Gulf Coast, but it was a round fiberglass house.
		And she was in the bedroom, and she kept saying, you know, stop that, stop that.
		And then she turned around, and when I seen her from the living room, she kind of got scared.
		And I said, well, what's wrong?
		She said, well, something was hitting me.
		Something kept bumping my legs.
		So that went on a couple times in that bedroom, in that house, and I told her that was just Charlie, our ghost.
		I named him Charlie.
		And we got married.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't upset you that Charlie was messing with your wife's legs?
unidentified		No, we wasn't married yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But we got married, we moved out, went into one trailer, and nothing happened.
		The second trailer we moved in, he came back.
		Moved things around.
		He'd hide things, and he bumped both of us.
		And then we moved out of that trailer.
		We were living in New Orleans at the time.
		Then we moved to where I'm at now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But didn't it occur to you that Charlie was not in one place, but rather was with you?
unidentified		That's what we've done figured out.
unidentified		He must be following me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This took several moves, though, for you to figure it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And we're in Denham Springs now.
		I've been here five years.
		And about the last two years, he's been showed up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got Charlie back again?
unidentified		I got him back.
unidentified		I got an 11-year-old daughter now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was this your wife's first marriage?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She never had any old boyfriends named Charlie?
unidentified		No, that's just the name I picked out of the air.
unidentified		I just get where I even got it from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thinks some TV program.
		But I have an 11-year-old daughter now.
		I found out today, that's why I called you, is, let's see, I found out Friday.
		Tuesday night she was taking a bath, my daughter, and something grabbed her on the shoulder and actually left a mark on her shoulder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And we told her that, you know, it must have been Charlie.
		That's the only thing we could figure out.
		And then my wife also told me last week that her and the daughter were sleeping in my bedroom, because I work nights.
		And she woke up, and there's a night light in the living Room that shines through the doorway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And she saw a figure there.
		And the dogs were in the bedroom.
		And she woke up, nothing said anything.
		The cat went and run into the other room.
		And she said the figure just kind of went off.
		And she went looking through the house and couldn't find anything.
		Apparently, Charlie's back again.
		And I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, is it something you're willing to put up with, or do you want Charlie to move on?
unidentified		Well, he doesn't really bother us any.
		I kind of get a kick out of him.
		He gets a little annoying every now and then when he moves stuff and you can't find it.
		The only thing I'm worried about is with the scratch on my daughter's shoulder.
		I hope he doesn't get a little more physical like they had that one on the television program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		All right.
		Well, good luck to you.
		And, of course, if it gets too bad, you're going to need to consult an exorcist.
		Now, there's a big dividing line between a little caress on the leg or a push and something that begins to leave marks.
		When it leaves marks, then you need to begin to think about professional assistants in the form of a priest, an exorcist, something.
		Because perhaps like a lion that gets a taste for human beings, it doesn't get better.
		It gets worse, and you've got to eliminate that lion before it gets to you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't push the button there.
		East of the Rockies, now you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		This is Joy from Wisconsin, Dallas, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Joy.
unidentified		My husband and I and our two little kids lived in a house, an old farmhouse.
		And there were so many things that happened in this house.
		One of them was I was sitting on the couch one night, and from out in the kitchen, a voice said, just as clear as day, hi, Joy.
		I left.
		I left that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, that's sensible.
unidentified		I had just the little boy at the time, and we left.
		My husband drives truck at night, and we went to the yard and met him.
		And one of the other things that happened was above the stove, there's the range hood with the light on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, of course.
unidentified		I used to leave that on at night for a night light.
		And I'd turn it off in the morning, and for a month, every night when I'd go to turn it back on, I'd have to screw the light bulb back in.
		My husband, I think, thought I was nuts until he was home one night, and I had to do it.
		We never turned the fan on, so it somehow unloosened by itself.
		One other night, I was sitting in the living room, and I had emptied all the trash bags into one big garbage bag, and no windows were open, and the bag moved, and you could smell perfume.
		Now, the big thing is, in January of 96, we had a fire in the house.
		And we called the fire department at 7.30 in the morning, got everybody out, called the fire department.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only got a few seconds left.
unidentified		Okay, first fireman that came out said, you're going to lose your house totally.
		Everything is going to be gone.
		We got nervous.
		Firemen started coming out, and they saved everything.
		All that burned was the furnace.
		The furnace was a tan color.
		In the furnace, after my husband and I went down there, there is a face burnt perfectly into the furnace.
		Oh, my.
		We took pictures of it.
		It looks just, you can see the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you have photographs of that, send them to me.
unidentified		How do I get them to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You listen after the break and I'll give my address, but I really want those photographs, all right?
unidentified		I will get them to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you get a paper and a pencil, and after the break, I'll give my address, okay?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
		A face in the furnace.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		And now back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little earlier, I asked the general audience, a couple of callers, but the general audience, what would you do if you, in effect, woke up one morning dead?
		Single, married, wouldn't matter.
		Family nearby, not, wouldn't matter.
		You wake up, you get up, and you realize as the day wears on, nobody can see you.
		You're not part of what's happening anymore, only you're still there.
		You're dead, but you're here on earth.
		What would you do?
		It's a very, very intriguing question that leads to all kinds of conclusions about what you hear when you hear ghost stories.
		Well, here's another answer.
		Art, I would look for one of those pretty teenage girls, preferably Scandinavian or Hawaiian, and just kind of hang around with her and perhaps on occasion give her the impression that she has supernatural powers.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		This is Mike.
		I'm calling from L.A. I used to live up in the truckey area that's near Donner Pass where the cannibals were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, when you say cannibals, be kind, because, of course, they were not cannibals by choice.
unidentified		Right, they were nice cannibals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were cannibals without any other choice.
		You know, we dealt with that one night.
		If you were stranded, if you were going to die, and the only choice was to eat or not eat, what would you do?
unidentified		I wouldn't eat people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you say that now.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay, anyway, I've got a good story.
		I lived up there and I didn't believe anything.
		I wasn't going to call you tonight at all.
		These are a bunch of hoo-ha stories.
		But less than a year ago, it happened to me, and I heard two of your other callers, two of the guys, feel something moving on their bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hee-haw stories until it happens to you, huh?
unidentified		Exactly.
		And I don't believe in any of that stuff.
		But I was home alone.
		This went on over a span of about two and a half weeks.
		And it was during the day because I had taken time off work.
		And it wasn't when I was sleeping, and it wasn't during the dark.
		It was in the middle of the afternoon.
		And I'd be taking naps.
		It would be I'm waking up from a nap, and there was that paralysis that I've heard you guys talk about before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And a paralysis, and somebody would sit on my bed.
		Well, it's just me, doors locked, windows locked, dogs outside.
		And this went on, and if I just moved a muscle, it thing would go away.
		And then that was not a problem.
		But it culminated after about two and a half weeks.
		One afternoon, this is absolutely the truth, is something sits on my bed.
		And I was more conscious, more aware of it than ever before.
		And I remember the time of day, the sun was out, no problem.
		And I had just been taking a nap and I'm wide awake.
		There is a woman reclining on the side of my bed on the corner.
		And I go, oh, I am in trouble now.
		Because I'd never seen a ghost before.
		And this was for real, for real, for real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I hear you.
unidentified		I jump up out of bed, shoot for the back door.
		I've got my hand on the deadbolt, open the deadbolt, open the door a crack, and I look back at the bed, and she's right, but she's talking to me in a man's voice.
		And she says, pull them out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pull them out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pull them out?
unidentified		Well, I knew what she meant, even though it made no sense.
unidentified		And I feel with my right hand on the top of my head, and there are three nails, old rough nails that have been pounded into the top of my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And when I look back at the bed, my body is laying in the bed.
		And I'm looking at her laying next to me, and I'm going, oh, geez, Louise.
		Well, I knew enough, and you'd actually said it about 15 minutes ago, never make a deal with the devil.
		And I realized, okay, I knew enough that this is some kind of demon or some kind of devil or a soldier or something.
		If I pull them out, then I'm acknowledging.
		If I run out of the house, then I'm not dealing with it.
		So I just said, hey, I've got to face this now or this is going to go on forever.
		And I didn't want to move.
		But anyway, I just looked over and I said, I realized at that moment, just in a moment of clarity, I just looked at this woman, and it was a woman talking like a man, which was scary.
		And I said, no.
		And I just remember walking back and laying back down into my body, and it never came again.
		And that ended it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		But it was as real as anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the very least, you should have followed up with a tetanus shot.
unidentified		Well, I moved.
		But anyway, I got out of that house.
		If I had woke up dead, I would book a flight on 800 and then go find a psychic forensic engineer to call you and tell you what really happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would imply, of course, that you could travel in time as a dead person.
unidentified		Well, hey, you didn't say I couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely correct.
		I don't make the rules.
		Thank you very much.
		Right.
		Everybody else has a hokey story, but here he wakes up with three rusty nails driven into his head and a young lady on his bed to give him instructions in a man's voice.
		Right-oh.
		Okay, on my international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good afternoon.
unidentified		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me get rid of the echo here.
		Let me see if I can get rid of the echo.
		Good afternoon.
		Where are you, pray tell?
unidentified		I'm in Taiwan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in Taiwan?
unidentified		Oh, no, I'm not afraid of the name of Koshun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Koshun.
		Koshun, Taiwan.
		Where is that with respect to Taipei?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It's south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what are you doing in Taiwan?
unidentified		Well, I came down here for a wedding.
unidentified		My name is Bill, and I live in Salt Lake City, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Normally.
unidentified		Normally.
unidentified		But I have been traveling to the Far East for quite some time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Taiwan is a beautiful place, that's for sure.
unidentified		It is a beautiful place, and it is growing like the Far East is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, do you perchance have a ghost story for us?
unidentified		A ghost story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're telling ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, back here it's Halloween.
unidentified		It is Halloween today.
unidentified		Last night it was Halloween here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Yes, that's right.
		It's afternoon there.
unidentified		See, it is Saturday evening, roughly about 4.30 in the afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that must be pretty rough because it's 12.45 here, so it must be something 45 there.
unidentified		It should.
		That's right.
		Well, my clock is a little over.
		Yeah.
		No, right at the present time, I don't have a Halloween story, other than the fact that the people in Taiwan are a little suspicious of what's been going on in Washington.
		But other than that, what's going to get?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The people in Taiwan should worry more about what's going on in China.
unidentified		Well, they are because of the way the United States is acting with the premier that came over.
unidentified		But on the other hand, why it's a growing world and things will work out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it, but China has Hong Kong back now, and they've got their sights clearly set on Taiwan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you bet they do.
unidentified		Unfortunately, I think you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I really appreciate your call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When are you coming home?
unidentified		I'm coming home on this next weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This next weekend?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the 10th.
unidentified		On the 9th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's quite a flight, and from somebody who just took a 15-hour plane flight, that's me from Europe, I warn you, take every precaution on the aircraft you can not to come home and get sick.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		But I take precautions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you take care.
		That's all the way from Taiwan.
		And again, let me give out the international number.
		If you are somewhere way out there in Europe or in Asia or wherever, we have a toll-free line.
		You can call us and it will not cost you one penny.
		And the way you accomplish it is you call the AT ⁇ T operator.
		Call your local operator and have her connect you with AT ⁇ T. And then tell the AT ⁇ T operator you want to call toll-free to the U.S. a special number which is 800-893-0903.
		That's 800-893-0903.
		And you'll get through.
		East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		My story takes place outside in the woods.
		I was coon hunting one fall night, and I was, you know, down in Pennsylvania, you know, where the hills and stuff are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that where you are now?
unidentified		Yeah, Pennsylvania.
		Perdonia, exact.
		And my dogs were running up a hill, you know, and they stopped, you know, you know, and they were chasing a coon.
		And I'm way behind them, and I get up to there, and there's this strange glowing.
		So I was wondering what it was.
		So me being brave and all, I walk up the hill, you know, and there are six figures, look like figures, and they were all like real low, low, hardly could hear it, like chanting.
		And to me, they looked so real that I asked them what they were doing.
		And they just turned to me and looked at me.
		So, you know, I was really gun-ho, and I said, you know, I told them to leave, you know, since they were on my property.
		And they didn't even move.
		Like, you know, they were looking at me, but, like, looking through me, like, you know.
		So the dogs, they ran down the hill because they were, I don't know what they were seeing, but I was getting kind of ticked off, so I let off around in the air, you know, and that didn't even stay with them.
		You know, a normal person would be running, you know, if someone's shooting.
		So I told him, I told him one more time to leave or I'll shoot.
		So I took and aimed at one, shot them, and after that, they disappeared.
		I mean, like, it really freaked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just like gone, huh?
unidentified		Just like gone.
unidentified		It was, uh, I don't go hunting anymore in the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I very much appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Tom from Sault Ste.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Just discovered your show about a week ago.
		It's very good.
		I like listening to it every night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And my story starts in Flint, Michigan.
		I worked at a place called the Capitol Theater.
		The old theater had a balcony, a covered-over orchestra pit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And they ran a bar in the lobby.
		And it was known to be haunted.
		In fact, there was one person that I didn't believe it, but everybody told me that there was three ghosts that haunted the place.
		And supposedly it was built by the Masons several years ago.
		And now the architecture seemed to add up to sixes and threes.
		So it kind of had an eerie place to begin with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The poor Masons.
		Masons have everything leveled at them.
		Now ghosts.
unidentified		Well, that's what they say.
		I don't know a lot about the Masons, except that both my uncle and grandpa are.
		But my uncle just died, and I haven't had much chance to talk about it with my grandpa.
		But we used to play LaserTag in the theater part.
		It was mostly closed down.
		And we'd actually play through the whole area, and the lobby area was somewhat lit up.
		This is after hours, after the bar had closed.
		This is all the bouncing staff.
		And I'd seen the one guy.
		He kind of protected the place.
		You'd catch him out of the corner of the eye, and everybody said it was a guy that used to work there, and his whole place was night security.
		And you would catch him every once in a while.
		You could see him around.
		So that kind of got me interested.
		I thought, well, you know, maybe there is something to ghosts.
		And next, while we were playing Laser Tag, I walked into the dark area and I could feel something like right behind me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I thought, okay, you know, one of the other guys are stalking me from behind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And, well, I was kind of hiding my lights on my laser tag so he couldn't see me very well.
		And I could hear footsteps, and I could feel breathing.
		I stopped, and it stopped.
		I was like, okay, he's right close.
		I looked around, I didn't see his lights.
		I was like, well, he's got to be in here.
		I started walking again.
		I could hear the footsteps.
		And then the breathing over my shoulder again.
		Now I'm getting a little spooky because I can't tell anybody.
		So I stopped real quick.
		Thought the person would run into me.
		Yep.
		Nope.
		Nothing hit me.
		Except that I'll stop again.
		So I thought, okay, I'm getting a little scared now.
		And I had a flashlight with me, but the rules of the game was you don't use it unless you were caught in a bad situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Didn't want to do that.
		And I started walking again, and this dark eeriness just kept getting worse and worse.
		And it seemed like the actual darkness of the room was getting darker.
		And I looked over towards the balcony, and I thought I saw somebody's light.
		So I pulled my gun out and shot at it.
		And never got a return like a hit noise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I thought, okay, well, if somebody's in here, they'll shoot at me.
unidentified		So I just held my gun up to be shot at, you know, so they could see the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Nobody shot.
		And so now I'm really scared.
		So I turned my flashlight on and shined it up towards the balcony where I saw the light.
		And it was a guy smoking a cigarette.
		And he proceeded to tumble off the balcony onto the main floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And then just disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Disappeared?
unidentified		Disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fell and disappeared.
unidentified		Fell and disappeared.
		So I'm really freaked out now.
		And I ran back into the lobby part and tried to find some of my friends.
		Found them, and they said, oh, you've met the usher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The usher?
unidentified		The usher had supposedly died in the building, and he'd either fallen off or been thrown off.
		It was never really decided.
		And he had tumbled over the balcony in that way in the years past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		And so there we have yet again, folks, another repeating tape-loop type entity presence.
		How can you listen to all of this and doubt?
		Do you think we remain?
		Do you think we come back again and again and again?
unidentified		I was a highwayman.
		Along the coast roads I did ride.
		Sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her bottles to my trade.
		Many a soldier shed his life blood on my blade.
		After hunting in the spring of 25, I am still alive I was a sailor I was born upon the die With the sea I did a bad I sailed a scooter around the pork of Mexico I went along
		The world remains a little blow And when the arms broke off They said that I got killed But I'm living still I was a damn villain
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The following is from the Electronic Telegraph.
		It is UK United Kingdom News.
		And I'm going to read this to you.
		It says, Patients near death see visions of hell by Robert Matthews, science correspondent.
		Terrifying accounts of gravely ill people who claim to have been dragged to the very gates of hell by demons are now to be studied scientifically for the first time by a British psychologist.
		The existence of so-called near-death experiences or NDEs in which dying people report having mystical sensations before being resuscitated is now widely accepted by doctors and scientists.
		Their cause is unknown, but they typically involve the feeling of deep peace, followed by a sensation of floating up through a tunnel toward a bright light and into a beautiful kingdom.
		But it is now becoming clear that for some people, NDEs are very far from blissful.
		Instead, a feeling of floating upwards, they report being pulled down toward a pit inhabited by demons.
		So there you go, folks.
		I've been waiting for this one, and typically, when you talk to somebody who has had an NDE, nearly always they will tell you, oh, there is no bad experiences.
		And you will ask NDE researchers, well, have you ever heard of anybody going anyplace not so pleasant?
		And sometimes they will, I mean, very occasionally they say, well, I've heard some rumors or a couple of reports of that kind of thing, but basically no.
		And I always felt that that was more or less baloney.
		And this story confirms that fact.
		There are many, apparently.
		Now, obviously, people don't talk about that.
		I mean, if you had an NDE and you went down instead of up, you might do a lot of internalizing about it.
		You might change your lifestyle.
		You might do a lot of things.
		But one thing you probably wouldn't do is tell the story publicly.
		Well, I had an MDE, only I went to hell.
		No, you wouldn't talk about it.
		And I always thought there would be a bunch of those because there are a bunch of not-so-nice people around.
		But they just don't tell the stories.
		Here's proof that I was right.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Terry in Colorado Springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Good.
		I have a ghost story.
		It's not a scary story, but it's a ghost story.
		All right.
		My mother died in March of 96.
		And my first, the birthday afterwards of mine, you know, I was real sad that, you know, she wasn't going to be around.
		And she always made a point of calling her kids on their birthday.
		Even if she had to track them down at work, she always called.
		Right.
		And so the night before my birthday, I was kind of sad.
		And I was like, come on, mom, just something.
		Show me that you're still around.
		And the next day, I went about my day and wasn't thinking a whole lot about it.
		And I went to a bookstore and I was looking through the used books.
		And there was a book there that I had been wanting for quite a while for like $5.
		And I thought, oh, how neat.
		And went to another section and found another book that I wanted, very cheap.
		And bought them and off I went to my sister's house.
		And I'm thumbing through this book.
		And something flies out of it, you know, like a tape or something.
		And I reach down and I pick it up off the floor and I turn it over and it's a photograph, an old photograph, black and white, of this little girl, about five, and this man sitting there with a guitar on his lap.
		just like my mother's relatives, you know.
		And I turned it over, and on the back it said, Mary and Willie, October 1955, and October 1955 was the month and year of my birth.
		And I just thought it was her way of telling me that, yeah, I am still around, and here's the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's incredible.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And also the names was Mary, which is pretty close to Carrie, and Willie, and my mother's father's name was William.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, had that actually been a picture of either you or your mother at a young age, that would be fall over on the floor.
unidentified		Yeah, I probably wouldn't be.
		I probably wouldn't be able to tell you about it.
		I'd be dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story.
unidentified		Thank you.
		You bet.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say, Carrie.
		Oh, yes, that's pretty good.
		Give me a sign.
		How many of you have ever asked for a sign, you know, from up there or even down there, and received one?
		I've talked to quite a few people already who appear to have.
		So this, of course, would come under the category of being careful what you wish for.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This story starts when I'm about four years old.
		My father had taken me to visit my grandfather, who lived in the woods.
		My aunt, who was young then, was home from college visiting.
		And my grandfather lived in a two-story clapboard house, hand-built.
		There was an old wood stove in the kitchen.
		There was only two rooms in the first floor, a kitchen and a living room.
		And in the living room was a coal stove.
		And I can remember that was the first basic recollection I have of my dad's dad and my aunt.
		And she was home from college.
		She had a pair of shoeskates.
		And they thought it would be really kind of neat to put those on me and being four years old, push me around and such.
		Sure.
		I didn't know what they were doing.
		They were putting them on, and I started to cry.
		And it got kind of turned ugly at that point.
		And they just looked at me and said, Well, look, put him down.
		Let him sit on the couch right here.
		And we'll go outside.
		And when he calms down, we'll come back in and push him around.
		So they walked outside.
		And I was sitting there sobbing.
		You know how a little kid just kind of to yourself a little bit there.
		And now my grandfather's house, the ceiling was about seven feet high in this old home.
		And there was the old paper, wallpaper stripes and flowers and things.
		And he had an old closet that really didn't have a door but a curtain on it.
		And as I was sitting there trying to get these skates off, this curtain opened and an old woman walked out.
		And she was dressed very nicely.
		She had her hair up in the buns on the side of each of her head.
		And she had a little brooch on her.
		I had no idea who this woman was.
		And she came up and she never said a word to me.
		She smiled at me and she helped me off with the skates.
		And she put my shoes on and tied them.
		And she tickled me under the chin and made a cooling sound.
		And, you know, I can't tell you how long this all lasted.
		But I can remember hearing my dad and saying, Well, it sounds like he's quieted down.
		Let's go back inside.
		Well, at that point, the old woman walked back towards the closet, pulled the curtain up, walked in.
		And before she let it fall, she looked at me, smiled, and let it go.
		Boy, I was over there in a flash.
		Opened it up and there was nothing in there.
		Just nothing.
		My grandpa had a couple of suits and things.
		And that was it.
		Well, they came in and said, Hey, how did you get the skates off?
		And I started crying again.
		And I said, This lady came out and I described who it was.
		And my grandfather said, It's grandma.
		And I said, No, it's not.
		Because the only grandma I knew was my mom's mom.
		Sure.
		And so they got very quiet and let it go.
		And I can remember as I was growing, as I grew older, I would come into the house and always go to that closet.
		At 13 years of age, I was upstairs.
		This had all gone by.
		My dad was going through his heater chest.
		Pulled out an old army picture.
		And I was eating the ice cream cone.
		I can remember.
		And I just about dropped it.
		He opened it up.
		And there he was in his army uniform, World War II.
		And he had his hands standing up behind this man and this woman.
	Well, I recognized him.
	I recognized my grandpa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		And the woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there she was.
unidentified		There she was.
		Now, the story was completed the day before I was married.
		All my relatives were visiting at the house.
		And my aunt from Wisconsin, I told her this exact same story.
		And she said, Do you know why she didn't say anything?
		And I said, No.
		She said, She had a lot of grandchildren, great-grandchildren.
		And she said she couldn't make any sound because she was dying at that point.
		And cancer had taken her throat.
		The only thing she could do was tickle her children.
		And she couldn't stand to hear her grandchildren cry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		All she could do was tickle them under the chin and make a cooing sound.
unidentified		And that's...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, that story bothers me for a lot of reasons.
		Thank you.
		And I'll tell you why.
		In my own mind, and we discussed this with Brad the other night, Brad Steiger in some detail, I prefer to think of ghosts or spirits as a sort
		of weak shadows of their former selves, not really the spirit, not really the soul of the dearly departed, but rather sort of an echo that repeats perhaps endlessly, but is not really a trapped soul on earth.
		But what that man just described and what many others have described is proactive in the sense that it's not a tape loop, and it would indicate that souls really do remain on earth in some cases.
		And in a lot of ways, no matter how interesting you think it might be, to be trapped on earth eternally, able to roam, able to do what you want, might temporarily sound kind of neat, but in fact it would be a living hell.
		So I don't want really to think that spirits, souls, are trapped here on earth.
		Why?
		Because of course I could become one of them.
		So could you.
		So as you listen to these ghost stories, the easier ones are the ones that sort of would show a repetitive action, like from the Border Patrol officer that I read earlier.
		Not the ones like the one you just heard.
		A wild card line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		there Yes, hello.
unidentified		Oh, you're talking to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Oh, terrific.
unidentified		I just heard a slight beep, and that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard a beep, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		B.C., all right.
unidentified		Yeah, on CFUN.
		Anyways, great show.
		I like that last story because I like to think that spirits are wherever, heaven, whatever, but they can transcend whatever time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean come back down?
unidentified		Sure, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Transition from there to here.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be all right.
unidentified		That would be better to think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's getting stuck here that I'm trying to get out of here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah, who wouldn't?
		That would be awful.
		I've got two ghost stories.
		My first one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can only allow one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're fine.
unidentified		That's fine, yeah.
unidentified		All right, I can shorten this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		My brother and I both saw it.
		I was about four or five.
		My brother's three and a half years older than me.
		We came to town, Vancouver here.
		We weren't living here.
		And to visit our, I guess, godparents.
		And we'd been watching TV upstairs in the house.
		Our parents and their parents, like they have kids, were playing Kanaska in the kitchen.
		And at that time, 10 o'clock came around.
		All the good shows were over and all the news came on.
		So if kids weren't interested in that, we decided to go see what our cousin was doing.
		We called him cousins downstairs.
		He had a bedroom in the basement.
		It was an unfinished basement, basically just a rectangle of the house with just two walls built into the corner to make his room.
		The rest of it was bare open basement.
		So we go through the kitchen where the parents were playing and had to go down these steps to go down the basements.
		And we go past them and down the steps.
		We get halfway down.
		We look across to where his room is.
		And there's a ghost, the white shadowy type that you can see through, you know, transparent and all that, just like Ghostbusters.
		And he's spying on our cousin.
		We could see through him.
		He's a young guy, I'd say now, because I'm thinking about it, in his late 20s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he knew that you could see him?
unidentified		No, this is how why it gets good, exactly.
		There's more to this.
		So we see a ghost.
		We can see he's wearing a suit.
		He's got a loose style, like old-style suit, like the 40s or whatever.
		And he's peering around a doorframe, the doorframe of Glenn entering into the room as if he didn't want to be seen, right?
		Peeking around like a human would.
		You could see the door frame through him.
		It's just like Ghostbusters.
		You see details, but it's all white.
		But you can see shades of white, right, to differentiate different things.
		And we could also see part of a dartboard that his left shoulder was covering through him, too.
		And instantly, I was the first one down the steps.
		I turned to go up the steps.
		My brother's looking at me now, and we both yelled, ghost, at the same time, right?
		And this thing swung around.
		We surprised it.
		And we look back at the ghost.
		He swings around now, and he's looking right at us with his big wide eyes like we scared it, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a twist on me.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And then, so anyways, then he just turns to the very end of the house.
		He was at one end.
		And at the other end was a swinging door that went out to a mushroom room that my godparents grew mushrooms and then out to the backyard into the back alley.
		Another door went out that way.
		He just ran for that door and he just crossed this house in half a second.
		He went so fast you could see a blur of legs and arms as he was running.
		He left a white streak as tall as he was right from where he started to where he went out this door.
		And the door, he didn't go through it.
		It swung open real quick and shut, ta-doon.
		You know, like, three, ta-doo.
		And that was it.
		He was gone.
		And we were just about to turn to go back up the steps, and our parents are already at the top of the steps looking down at us, like, what's going on?
		And we told them the story, and we went out to the backyard, checked out, I guess they assumed it was a burglar that we saw, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And there was nothing.
		So that was it.
		That scared the, it didn't scare us.
		We were pretty calm about it.
		It was like, wow, neat, after, you know, five minutes after it happened, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is the first instance I've ever heard of human scaring ghosts, and I like it.
		It is possible, who knows what makes a ghost visible.
		And it is kind of nice to think that occasionally, without their knowledge, they become visible, doing their usually invisible snooping, and we catch them.
		If you can see my studio cam, I've got this really cool on the island of Rhodes when we were there, Ramona found this really neat, I don't know what it is, it's like a tube with a hand on it.
		I guess it's basically a back scratcher, although the hand looks a little eerie.
		And when you turn the tube over, it makes a weird sound.
		you that And I was having more fun with this thing on the cruise because it makes such an obscene little sound.
		And I will hold this up so that you can see it on the studio cam.
		Strange.
		All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, all right.
		I'm glad I got through.
		First of all, do you believe that dogs can see ghosts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a feeling that dogs and cats and animals in general see things that we don't, that move among us.
		Now, are they ghosts?
		Yes, maybe.
		But there's something that they see that we don't.
		It's obvious.
		If you watch their behavior, you can tell when they see them.
unidentified		Well, exactly.
unidentified		And we're having that problem in our house right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And well, last December, my wife's ex-husband was killed in a really bad car wreck.
unidentified		And ever since then, we've had a lot of odd things happening, such as our little dog barking at the air and growling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, dogs sometimes bark at the air, but rarely growl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, growl indicates presence of something they don't like.
unidentified		And the other night, I was laying upstairs next to my wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		and i felt the tap on my shoulder and i looked up and at the end of my bed there was a big dark entity there uh...
		this entity was trying to pull It pulled your soul out.
		It was trying to pull my soul out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, can you hold on?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		During the break?
		All right, fine.
		I'm going to leave you right there.
		And I keep getting requests to play this, so I shall.
		This, of course.
unidentified		It's been a too long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's Crystal Gale.
unidentified		With no peace of mind.
unidentified		And I'm ready for the time to get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty easy on the ears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		I've got to tell you, I've been racking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of the continued.
		Dangers are coming, no doubt.
		It's been a good long time with no peace of mind.
		I'm ready for the time to get better.
		And now back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are back on the air, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And another thing, this has let me reevaluate my whole entire life.
		I thought I was a decent guy, and after this has happened, it has scared the hell out of me.
		And I'm kind of thinking where I'm going to go after I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it scared you out of hell, actually.
unidentified		Well, it seriously scared me very bad.
		And at the same time, we are taking care of his two children that he left behind.
		One was born after he had died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		And it sort of bolsters, thank you, the story that I read about the study they are conducting in England.
		I just, I knew it.
		I mean, I've interviewed so many NDE researchers, and almost universally, they will say, oh, no, you know, these are just rumors.
		You barely ever hear a report of anybody going to hell.
		I knew that was wrong.
		I knew it was wrong.
		I feel it is wrong.
		Deep down inside of me, I know it's wrong.
		If there's God, if there's heaven, if there's good, then there is the opposite antithesis of that.
		And there is a hell.
		And it's about time somebody really began to study that phenomena as they study the other ones.
		So obviously that study is now underway.
unidentified		The End And now back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Hey, I finally bought your book, The Quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
unidentified		Upon arrival back home from work, I had to get some milk and candy for Halloween, so I set it to the book on the porch table.
unidentified		When I got home, it was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		Yeah, I live alone.
		The next day, I overheard a neighbor telling another neighbor if he'd heard of Art Bell.
		Damn jerk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he took your book.
unidentified		I think he did, and I'm bent on revenge now.
unidentified		But I got a story here for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		My story happened in Canyon City, Colorado.
unidentified		I was going to school at a religious school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And every weekend I'd go to this nativity shop a couple miles down the road just for something to do for the sake of diversity.
		One day in particular, I passed a farm that had a flock of sheep, and the little buggers were kind of cool.
		I'd never seen sheep before outside the realm of TV.
		So I observed a sheep was standing in the corner of the fence-in area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a city boy?
unidentified		Yeah, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Must be.
unidentified		And I observed the sheep standing in the corner of the fence-in area still as a statue while the entirety of the other part of the flock was stuffing their face in a typical sheep-like manner.
		A couple of days later, I saw the same thing, flocked together, munching, strange statue-like sheep on the other side of the field, not eating.
		So the next week, the same thing, but this time that rancher was there.
		So I asked him, you know, why the statue-like sheep was so weird.
		Did someone clock in the head or something?
		It's the darndest sheep, he said.
		That sheep won't eat in the daytime, only at night.
		I said, bizarre.
		He said, you can say that again.
		It's so scared of other sheep.
		It's also scared of other sheep, but product is product, and that's what counts.
		I said, that's for sure.
		So one night I was coming back from the party, and I was walking by, and I could see a lone sheep, the lone sheep eating or chewing in the moonlight.
		All the other sheep, needless to say, were sleeping, but I couldn't see the sheep put its head down to a pull of grass or hay.
		You know, what's going on here?
		It was kind of really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean it was eating in mid-air?
unidentified		Yeah, it was eating in mid-air.
		It was totally bizarre.
		I couldn't understand it.
		So one evening, I had just purchased some night vision goggles on the black market for a tidy price, tidy in the sense that it was cheap.
		I thought I'd walk by the sheep again that night.
		I looked through my goggles as I was approaching the sheep to test them out since it was absolutely dark and there was no moonlight that night to speak of.
		Looking through the night vision goggles, I had to check my goggles thinking they might be lemons because of what I was seeing.
		I tried again and there it was again.
		The sheep was stretching out its neck, standing on its hind legs.
		There to my absolute amazement was this neon green image of an upside-down man holding his hand high, apparently hand-feeding the sheep.
		And around him were other people walking upside down with an occasional neon image of what looked like dogs.
		Wow!
		Yeah, yeah, this is totally bizarre.
		I sat there and tried to keep my composure for several minutes until I couldn't help myself.
		I picked up a rock and threw it at the neon image of the upside-down man feeding The sheep.
		The rock hit the sheep instead that he was feeding, and the upside-down man stopped abruptly.
		He looked over my way, apparently spotting me.
		He made some hand gestures to the others that were walking around him, and they all disappeared.
		When I took the goggles down to start running, I saw several baseball-sized red dots coming at me.
		I ran as fast as my feet could carry me.
		Somehow lost them hiding in the combine.
		I stayed there for about three hours with an occasional red dot passing by.
		After about three hours, I got out of the combine and ran, like you would not believe, back to my dorm in complete terror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, moral of this story, never throws stones at ghosts.
unidentified		It's true, too, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story, sir.
		Thank you.
		what a remarkable story and so this she only eating at night bed by spirits obama time legs reaching as is all That was great.
		Wildguard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I have a ghost story from the journal of my great-grandfather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Which I thought you might find interesting.
unidentified		He was a leader in the early Mormon church in Missouri before they even went out to Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he said that he was riding a horse about 100 yards in front of a group of other men.
		They were together, but he had just gotten out in front of them.
		And he was about six feet tall.
		He figured on his full-size horse, his head was about nine to ten feet off the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And that's significant because what happened next is this man or this creature approached him out of the bushes and walked up to him.
		And this creature or this man, it was a man who was covered from head to toe in hair.
		And when he walked up to him, they were eyeball to eyeball.
		And this thing was standing on the ground.
		And this creature identified himself as Cain, of Cain and Abel, and said that he had been condemned to walk the earth in misery.
		He was searching for death as a relief from his misery, but he could not find it.
		And the men behind him saw that he was talking to someone, but they couldn't see who it was.
		They were about, like I say, 100 yards behind him.
		And after a short conversation, he just left and wandered away.
		And he said his impressions were, this is the most miserable creature he'd ever met, the most unhappy, the saddest, and the biggest.
		And when I read that, you know, it often made me wonder if that is an explanation for some of the Bigfoot sightings because the description matches.
		And also the behavior.
		Bigfoot Ode is huge, but is never threatening to anyone, at least in any of the stories I've heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any way you could copy that journal and send me a copy?
unidentified		Yeah, I could do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then listen on the air, and this goes for an earlier caller, which I didn't manage to get my address out for.
		You recall the picture of the face in the oven.
		Well, hopefully you're still poised with your pencil and paper.
		And for us, sir, my address, particularly for any unusual photographs or copies of very ancient journals like the one we just heard about, fire it off to me, Art Bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, just like the one that rings.
		The address is P.O. Box 4755, 4755, in a town called Perump.
		Not to laugh, as I spell it, that's Piazzin Paul.
		A-H-R-U-M-P Perump.
		Nevada.
		And the zip code here, the short way to do Nevada is NV.
		And the zip code would be 89041-4755.
		You know, the last thing that you would want to see in a furnace would be a face literally burned into the furnace wall.
		A human face.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm in Bridgeport, Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bridgeport.
		All right, good.
		Welcome.
unidentified		And I wanted to tell you a different kind of ghost story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right.
unidentified		I think I know a little bit about the fact that I'm eventually going to be a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be a ghost?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I'm growing up to be a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're quite right.
		This is a new twist.
		What makes you think that?
unidentified		Well, I'm going to try to keep this very tight here.
unidentified		I am a ham radio operator, and of course I know you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And as you know, we have each of us a call sign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		It's like a telephone number.
		It's got letters and numbers.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is unique.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is none other to match it in the world, like fingerprint, yes.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Now, one of the things that, oh, probably every ham, goes through every ham's mind at some point is that somebody might, and they always call it bootlegging, somebody might bootleg his call sign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		He might use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Somebody else might use it to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Particularly in a way the FCC would frown upon.
unidentified		That's right.
		Well, I'd come home from work every day and I'd go to lie down on my day bed here, take a nap, and almost every day I would dream that I was down in my basement at my bench with my hand stuff and somebody's on there using my coffin.
		And in the dream I'd feel, you know, this time it's not a dream.
		This time it's really happening.
		But about two minutes later I'd wake up and there I'd be on the bed knowing darn well that it hadn't happened.
		Well, one day I was talking to a fellow about this over the errors that happened, and I told him about it, and he said, oh, you know, it's a psycho analytical thing.
		You think you're losing your identity or you feel threatened.
		Somebody's going to beat you or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Curbstone analysis.
		And all of a sudden, this insight came to me.
		And I interrupted him.
		I said, Bob, that's not it.
		I'll tell you what it is.
		In my dream, I'm dead.
		And I'm wherever dead people are, quote dead, unquote, and I'm wherever dead people are.
		And I'm listening to this.
		I'm hearing a guy using my call sign because it's been reissued.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I know, that happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, years after, I forget how long it is, but shortly after your death, a year or two or five or whatever, they're able then to reissue your call, yes.
unidentified		Yes, and that's just like giving somebody a telephone number.
		You haven't got it, as you know.
		Well, you know, from that time on, I never had that dream again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		Ever.
		In other words, that realization stopped the dream, which means it's true, which means it's really going to happen, which means you will be a ghost.
unidentified		You got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, 73s.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		73 to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		There's a horrid little ham story for you.
		He's right.
		That's a terrifying thought.
		And that the dream ceased probably means it was resolved, which means it's going to happen, which means he's going to be a ghost.
		Ah, but all good hams go to heaven.
		Well, except for a few of them on 40 meters.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		I'm actually on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually on the air, yes.
unidentified		Well, hello.
unidentified		My name's Anita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anita.
unidentified		And I'm from Sacramento, California.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, I was on the air in Sacramento earlier today.
unidentified		Were you, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I was.
unidentified		Wonderful.
unidentified		You know, you're talking about ghost stories, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I was coming home from a Halloween party, and I love listening to your show.
		And I just had to, I had to call because there was, it's not a scary story, but it's a really special story.
		Okay.
		And what it was, is that I'm single and I can't have children.
		And there was an adoption that I was trying to go through, a private adoption, and it was really a scary procedure because the girl kept going, you know, one month yes, one month no, you know.
		And so it was just very difficult.
		And I had really been pondering and wondering, well, should I go through with this or not?
		And I was laying on my sofa one night.
		I'd fallen asleep.
		And I had, you know, I kind of had woken up a little bit.
		I wasn't really, I was in that daze, you know, that in and out kind of sleep.
		Sure.
		And it was really strange because I had drifted off again.
		And I hadn't really been thinking about this too much that night or anything.
		So it wasn't like I fell asleep with this on my mind.
		And it was the most incredible feeling.
		I woke up to a little girl kissing my cheek.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		And it was just, it was such a physical thing.
		I could see her, and she had long, pretty long blonde hair.
		And it was the most loving, it just enveloped my whole body.
		And it was like, this is my daughter, and she was just wanting to let me know that she loved me, and that she appreciated me wanting her so much.
		And I didn't know whether it was the little girl that I was trying to adopt, or this is a little girl that is waiting for me.
		And it was just an incredible from head-to-toe feeling of absolute love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any resolution to it yet?
unidentified		No, not to that.
		Unfortunately, that adoption didn't go through.
		But I'll tell you something.
		If it was that baby, then she knew how much I had been working towards trying to get her and how much I loved her and wanted her.
		And it was either a thank you or it was like I said before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or it was a premonition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now when you finally end up adopting, which I bet you will.
unidentified		Well, someday I hope so, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it happens to be the spitting image of that little girl.
unidentified		Then I'm going to want to get a return call.
		You betcha.
		You betcha.
		And you know what else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What else?
unidentified		I have, I've been looking for that.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of the cremation of Sam McGee?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know I have?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I have a copy of that, so if you want me to tell that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the Alaskan story, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that story was told to us when we were in Alaska about two or three months ago?
unidentified		Oh, are you serious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I'm serious.
		It's a widely told story in Alaska.
		Do you think you can tell it fairly quickly?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I have it right here if you want me to repeat it on this Halloween.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, um, let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I want you to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got to do it.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
		I am.
		Here it is.
		All right.
		Let me get on this sofa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call the wildcard lines, area 702-727-1295.
		Now you're hitting touchstones.
		You can't do debt.
unidentified		Oh, no, no, no.
unidentified		Accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		Okay.
		It's called The Cremation of Sam McGee.
		There are strange things done in the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.
		The Arctic trails have their secret tells that would make your blood run cold.
		The northern lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see was the night on the marge of Lake Labarge I cremated Sam McGee.
		Now Sam McGee was from Tennessee where the cotton Blooms and blows, when he left his home in the south to roam round the pole, God only knows.
		He was always cold, but the land of gold seemed to hold him like a spell, though he'd often say in his homely way that he'd sooner live in hell.
		On a Christmas day, we were mushing our way over the Dawson Trail.
		Talk of your cold through the Parker's fold, it stabbed like a driven knell.
		If our eyes would close, then the lashes froze, so sometimes we couldn't see.
		It wasn't much fun, but the only one to whimper was Sam McGee.
		And that very night, as we lay packed tight in our robes beneath the snow, and the dogs were fed, the stars o'erhead were dancing hill and toe.
		He turned to me, and Cap, he says, I'll cash in this trip, I guess.
		And if I do, I'm asking that you won't refuse my last request.
		Well, he seemed so low that I couldn't say no, then he says with a sort of a moan, it's a cursed cold, and it's got right hold how I'm chilled clean through to the bone.
		Yet taint being dead, it's my awful dread of the icy grave that pains.
		So I want you to swear that foul or fair, you'll cremate my last remains.
		A pal's last need is a thing to heed, so I swore that I would not fail.
		And we started on at the streak of dawn, but God, he's ghastly pale.
		He crouched on the sleigh, and he raved all day of his home in Tennessee.
		And before nightfall, a corpse was all that was left of Sam Magee.
		There wasn't a breath in that land of death, and I hurried horror-driven, with a corpse half hid that I couldn't get rid because of a promise given.
		It was lashed to a sleigh, and it seemed to say, you may tax your brain and bronze, but you promise true, and it's up to you to cremate those last remains.
		Now I promise made as a debt unpaid, and the trail has its own stern code.
		In the days to come, through my lips were dumb, in my heart how I cursed that load.
		In the long, long night by the lone firelight, while the huskies round in a ring howled out their woes to the homeless snows, oh God, how I loath that thing.
		And every day that quiet clay seemed to heavy and heavier grow.
		And on I went through the dogs were spent and the grub was getting low.
		The trail was bad and I felt half mad, but I swore I would not give in.
		And I'd often sing to that hateful thing and it hearkened with a grin.
		So I came to the marsh of Lake Labarge and the derelict there lay.
		It was jammed in the eyes, but I saw in it twice.
		It was called the Alice May.
		And I looked at it and I thought up it and I looked at my frozen chum.
		Then here, said I, with a sudden cry, is my crematorium.
		Some planks I tore from the cabin floor and I lit that broiler fire.
		Some coal I found that was lying around and heaped that fuel up higher.
		The flames just soared and the furnace roared, such a blaze you seldom see.
		And I burrowed a hole in the glowing coal and I stuffed in Sam Magee.
		Then I made a hike for I didn't like to hear him sizzle so.
		And the heavens scowled and the huskies howled and the wind began to blow.
		It was icy cold, but the hot sweat rolled down my cheeks and I don't know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it right there.
unidentified		Hold it right there.
		Pretty woman walking down the street.
		Pretty woman, the kind I like to meet.
		Pretty woman.
		I don't believe you.
		You're not the truth.
		No one could look and look at you.
		To fax Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nadi, dial area code 702-727-8499.
		That's area code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and we are now going to go back and we are going to hear the remains, so to speak, of the cremation of Sam McGee.
		A promise made is a promise that must be kept.
		And here was this fellow lugging the remains of Sam McGee until finally, in the cold, in the wind-whipped cold of the Alaska tundra, he found a location where he could cremate, as promised, the remains of Sam McGee, who was terrified of being cold, even in death.
		And so I suggest we pick up the Sam McGee saga at about the crackling point as he was being cremated.
		So pick it up there.
unidentified		Okay.
		Then I made a hike, for I didn't like to hear him sizzle so.
		And the heavens scowled and the huskies howled and the wind began to blow.
		It was icy cold, but the hot sweat rolled down my cheeks and I don't know why.
		And the greasy smoke in an inky cloak went streaking down the sky.
		I do not know how long in the snow I wrestled with griefly fear.
		But the stars came out and they danced about ere again I ventured near.
		I was sick with dread, but I bravely said, I'll just take a peek inside.
		I guess he's cooked and it's time I looked.
		Then the door I opened wide.
		And there sat Sam looking cool and calm in the heat of the furnace roar.
		And he wore a smile.
		You could see a mile and he said, please close that door.
		It's fine in here, but I greatly fear that you let in the cold and storm.
		Since I left Plum Tree in Tennessee, it's the first time I've been warm.
		There are strange things done in the midnight sun by the men who moil for gold.
		The Arctic trails have their secret tells that would make your blood run cold.
		The northern lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they've ever did see was the night on the marsh of Lake LaBarge.
		I cremated Sam McGee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, I thank you for that, my dear.
		Thank you.
		They told us that when we were in Alaska.
		It's a fine tale indeed, and it might be true.
		Back now to our ghost stories and our callers.
		First time caller line, you're on the air high.
		All right.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off there in Kentucky and.
unidentified		I'm leaving the room.
unidentified		Is that okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess it's an option.
		Sure.
		All right.
		So, anyway, what have you for us?
unidentified		Well, I was hoping you can help me with something.
		When I was 17, right before I went in the military, I went to visit my grandfather to say goodbye.
		And I was asleep in my uncle's room.
		And it was pitch black because it's on the mountainside.
		He had windows boarded up from the rocks sliding down through it.
		And I woke up tingling all over.
		I had a tingling sensation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it woke me up, and I noticed something at the foot of my bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Well, at first I thought it was a coat hanging on the coat tree there.
		And the more I looked, the clearer it got.
		And it was a person, and it was white, and the robe it had hung just like drapes hang.
		And I started making out the hair, and I couldn't tell if it was male or female.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And when I finally realized that it was really something at the foot of my bed, it was like a side view, I raised up and I said, who the hell are you?
unidentified		And it turned and it looked at me just like it pierced right through me with his eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And, well, it didn't scare me a bit.
		I thought, well, how about that?
		And I laid back down and I got up the next morning.
		I was trying to tell my grandfather about it.
		And he got mad.
		He said, boy, you're trying to tell me my house is haunted and left the breakfast table.
		Well, I went down to my aunt's and I told her she's a very religious woman.
		And she said, Lowell, if you ever see anything like that again, say in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be gone, yes.
unidentified		What do you want?
unidentified		And then we'll talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I hate to cast the shadow of skepticism on your story, but I refuse to believe that anybody, anybody would see a ghost, a spirit, a presence at the foot of their bed, and then would turn around and go to sleep.
		I refuse to believe that.
		Now, that may be my own prejudice.
		I fully admit.
		But in my case, to see such a thing, to go to sleep, to go to sleep, give me a break.
		The thing I would more likely do to the bed is to wet it.
		I mean, that would just scare the heck out of me at the minimum.
		And I sure as heck wouldn't go to sleep.
		Now, I have talked to no less than three or four people tonight who have had their ankles pulled, have had presences on the bed with them, and in each case, they have said, I went to sleep.
		I just can't buy it.
		Now, you think about it.
		You people who have had some even little thing happen to you, like the big bang on my door the other night, it's still bothering me.
		And at the time that it occurred, I had an adrenaline rush that could only be compared with, you know, perhaps encountering a burglar or coming to blows with somebody who was breaking in your house, something like that.
		And so I find it just totally beyond the realm that anybody would have their ankle yanked on or some apparition at the foot of their bed and go, and just sort of slide off to sleep.
		I have a really hard time with that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is Dixie in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dixie in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		This is a story that my mother always told about Fort Washita, which was, I guess, a frontier fort just north of the Red River in central Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the story went that an officer caught his wife in a compromising situation with another officer.
		And he beheaded both of them with his saber.
		And the story from that day on that if you rode your horse through that area at night, Aunt Jane, which was the officer's wife, rode on the back of your horse with you through the area where the fort was.
		Very few people would get out and ride.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With or without a head?
unidentified		Without a head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Naturally.
		I appreciate your call, ma'am, and your story, and I have always rather disliked headless stories, but they proliferate in the world of ghost stories, headless stories.
		Bodies without heads.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, I have a book having to do with near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		It was written by a physician who's not particularly religious, but he had to recount what happened when he would have surgeries on his patients, and they'd come back, in some cases, absolutely screaming in terror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the name of this physician?
unidentified		The name of the physician is Dr. Maurice S. Rawlings, R-A-W-L-I-N-G-S.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am indeed familiar with Dr. Rawlings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think, though, that that book was written pretty much from a religious perspective.
unidentified		You know, it might be.
unidentified		It's called To Hellenbach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
		Yes, I know about it.
		It's written pretty much from a religious perspective.
		Now, I find very interesting the fact that legitimate mainstream science in Britain is going to begin studying NDEs that apparently resulted in people going to a place that we would think of as hell.
		And I'm looking forward to the result of that study.
unidentified		So what you're saying is that's Going to be objective.
unidentified		At the same time, we've got to think that Dr. Rollings, who said he was near-atheist when he started these, may have been scared into becoming a religious person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's always possible.
		Yeah.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am familiar with that book.
		But I think a good, objective, scientific study, finally, of the phenomena that nobody talks about is definitely in order.
		And it may be as useful to the religious community to prove there is a hell as to prove there is a heaven.
		has that occurred to you it was kind of interesting the other day when i had to She calls herself a witch, but clearly she worshipped Satan.
		And in a lot of ways, that program, like a legitimate study of those who have had NDEs that resulted in a hellish experience, really do more for Christianity than they do to hurt it in any way whatsoever.
		And that was the result.
		I got so many faxes and so many pieces of email from people who had been so concerned about that show before it ran, but then when they heard it, the end result after the entire program was that those who were religious out there felt it did more for Christianity,
		terrible as it may have been to hear, than nearly any other program we've done in a long time that simply would have been in some way pro-Christianity.
		Interesting result to a program of that sort, isn't it?
		And I think a very similar result would be realized by an objective study of those who have died and apparently gone to hell.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, this is Stu in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Stu.
unidentified		Yes, you're familiar with the story of Christine, the 58 Plymouth with a bad attitude?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They made a movie about it.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, I'd like to tell you there is a counterpart to that car in Peninsula, Ohio.
		At least there was 25 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes, I was driving through there one night about 2.30 in the morning, and a car came from out of the darkness behind me and started tailgating.
unidentified		So he was flashing his lights, blowing his horn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I tried to let him pass, but he wouldn't.
unidentified		So when I got to a stoplight, I looked in the mirror and I could tell it was a white 61 Chevy following me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Well, I knew somebody who had such a car, so I thought it might have been him.
		Well, when the light turned, I turned left, and the car stayed right behind me.
		When I got to the next light, I was going to turn right, so I pulled in the right-hand lane.
		The Chevy pulled up alongside of me.
		All its windows were open, so I looked over to see who was driving.
		There was nobody driving.
		There was nobody in the car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, could you even see far enough down on the driver's side to be sure there was nobody honkered down there?
unidentified		I was driving an older car which sat much higher.
		And I could see the hole inside of the car.
		There was nobody in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A driverless.
unidentified		So I burned out of there and got about to 110 and a quarter mile, I think.
		And I went through an S-turn, taking my life in my hands, and lost sight of the Chevy partway through the turn.
		He was still after me.
		Well, I waited for his lights to reappear, but they never did.
		So after about a mile or so, I turned around and went back.
		I checked all up and down that stretch of road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait a minute now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You risked your life doing 100 miles an hour to get away from this thing and you turned around and went back?
unidentified		Yes.
		Out of curiosity or wondering if somebody had gotten hurt or what.
		But I looked all up and down that stretch of road.
		There was no sign that any car had even been on the road.
		There was no car on the road or off.
		No skid marks, no tire tracks, nothing.
		The car had vanished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a hell of a story.
unidentified		And I've heard other people tell of similar encounters with car of the same description.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, the part where you went back is equivalent to every horror movie I've ever seen where the girl with the low-cut dress inevitably hears thumping, banging, screaming, agony coming from the basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where does she go?
unidentified		Down to the basement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And you did 100 miles an hour to get away, and then you turned around and went back.
		In any decent horror movie, you deserved to die.
		Yep.
		But I appreciate the story, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		I mean, anybody who, you know, if that had been a horror movie, he'd have tire tracks going right over his body.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hey, I'm calling from Central California, driving a truck.
		My story involves a probably about 100 years ago.
		It comes from my father through his father.
		And the story goes that my grandfather's great uncle was out hunting rabbits with his brother.
		And they come across this old lady who lived in the area.
		They called her Aunt Polly.
		And the folklore was that she was a witch.
		Well, she was out in her front yard and she was making apple butter, which apparently, having never made it, but apparently when you make apple butter, it wants to pop and boil over on you pretty rapidly.
		Well, they told her, they said, Aunt Polly, you better watch apple butter.
		It's going to get you.
		And apparently she looks at him and just sort of smiles and says, oh, that could hurt me.
		And she pulled rolled the sleeve and stuck an arm in it and sort of stirred it with her arm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is a relative of yours.
unidentified		Yes, I guess it would be like a great-great-great-uncle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever have strange urgings yourself?
unidentified		No, sure don't, Art.
unidentified		Enjoy yourself a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be careful on the road out there.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of truckers out there.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bottom of the hour.
		Stretch run coming up.
		This, of course, is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		You're dirty, sweet, sweet, I'm in.
		You're sitting in the room, you got the cheese of the hydro upon you.
		You're dirty, sweet, and you're my girl.
		Kill it on, Benadon, Kill it on.
		Kill it on, Benadon, Kill it on.
		Thank you.
		And now back to the best of our bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here we go with the stretch run for 1997 and Halloween.
		Are you ready?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I here?
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you referring to mentally or physically?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		Anyway, hi, I'm Ken calling from Kohala, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, okay.
unidentified		And I've been listening to your show for a couple months now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I really, I personally don't have a story to tell you, but I live here in plantation, old defunct plantation town in Hawaii.
		And I live with my parents here, just moved back.
		And I was raised basically here in a home that's over a century old.
		And basically a story about my mom when I was an infant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I might, there should be a lot of Hawaiian stories because the kind of plantation you're on, very early in Hawaiian history, was stocked with workers imported from the Philippines and elsewhere that worked very, very hard in those fields, and many of them died in those fields.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would think that if there were hauntings, there would definitely be hauntings where you are.
unidentified		Well, the home that I live in, actually my parents' home now, apparently was occupied by one of the mill managers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
unidentified		And the mill's been out for about 25, almost 30 years now.
		And basically, the home that we're in is haunted.
		But it goes back and forth.
		When I was born back in 71, my parents had just bought the home here and remodeled it.
		And my mom had, my parents had a great Dane.
		And as you've talked, the other scholars have talked about animals being sensitive to ghosts.
		You bet.
		We had a great Dane, in fact, one of the biggest in the state.
		And my mom was upstairs one night alone.
		My father was out on business out of state.
		And she remembers quite vividly the animal, Hina was her name, Hawaiian name.
		And I'll get very sensitive at night.
		And she would get chicken skin and get that feeling like you're in the presence of a ghost.
		And on one occasion, she walked up the stairs.
		And we have two cool walking chairs upstairs.
		There's three rooms upstairs in this home.
		And she remembers seeing an image of kind of a loha shirt or kind of a pattern, an old pattern, with kind of a dark skin.
		The entity was kind of transparent, but she could see a little color of the skin rocking back and forth.
		And I actually sat down with my mom one night and asked her about one of the infants that had died in the home because there had been apparently caretakers in the home and so forth.
		And she was not receptive to my asking of the question.
		And my mother never gets that way.
		And on occasion, my father has worked and was working one time, as a matter of fact.
		And it always seems the recurrence of ghosts when my dad's repairing a room or something like that.
		And he remembers very vividly scraping the paint off one of the roof ceilings.
		And somebody asked him, what are you doing?
		Well, my father threw everything down and looked back and said, what do you think I'm doing?
		And realized that no one was in the home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		That's from Hawaii.
		And there are indeed many hauntings in the islands.
		They have a rich, very rich history.
		And one Dreamland, we did an entire program on Hawaiian hauntings.
		It was very good, and we're going to have to repeat it.
		Wildcardline, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Things are okay.
unidentified		They're nice and creepy, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I've got the candle lit, the lights are out, and I'm reminiscing about 20 years ago when I lived in an apartment.
		My name is Ron.
		I live in San Rafael, Just north of the city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And for a long time, I lived in this apartment for eight years, and eventually my girlfriend moved in and we got married.
		And that was the last three years.
		Now, I had a water bed.
		I was in sales.
		I'd come home in the afternoon before going back to the office.
		I'd lay down to take a nap.
		And there'd be a tugging on my body.
		Sometimes I would have that pressing sensation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Where you get like paralyzed and all that.
		That, I thought, was just some kind of sleep problem.
		But then I get this tugging.
		Like I was supposed to leave my body and go someplace.
		Now I never saw anything strange in the apartment.
		Things moved around sometimes and I thought, well, I just wasn't paying attention to what I was doing.
		When my girlfriend moved in, then we started having problems with the water bed.
		Like there was a leak, but there wasn't.
		Emptied all the water out, blew it up with a vacuum, checked the whole thing.
		There were no holes.
		Could not figure out what's going on.
		The flood of 82, we had to move.
		About three, four months later, I talked to the landlord, and I said, well, how are things?
		You know, you get your place back together.
		And he says, yeah.
		And he says, but a strange thing happened.
		I said, well, what's that?
		He said, it took about a month to clean the place up, but a young lady moved in who was being taken care of by a gentleman who was married.
		And apparently, she was feeling the same things that we felt, but she ended up committing suicide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Now, I didn't know until then that there was a gentleman that had passed away in the bedroom prior to my renting.
		So his spirit was bouncing around in there.
		Now there's two spirits bouncing around in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that may have been the flood that saved your life?
unidentified		Either saved my life or, you know, it was never threatening.
unidentified		It was just I started reading a lot of OB Out of Body of Experience books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, but I mean, look at what happened to the girl that was in there following.
unidentified		Well, I think maybe it's guilt that got her.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing you've got to consider is the possibility that had you remained, Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you might have ended up.
unidentified		Maybe he was upset that we were living together out of marriage or something.
unidentified		You know, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did get married.
unidentified		Oh, we did, and we eventually got divorced, but that's another story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it's a horror story, too.
unidentified		Well, there's the other thing of climbing off of Mount Shafta and seeing visions up there.
		And I knew nothing about that at the time.
		And I saw this, I thought it was like a guardian angel.
		And I thought I was going crazy.
		But I packed off the mountain, dragging a toboggan.
		And it was full moon at night.
		And you know how you feel something behind you and the hair goes up?
		And I'm thinking, Castaneda.
		Left is death, right is the other way.
		I'm going left, right, left, right.
		Okay, make sure you turn to the right, Ron.
		So I turn around, and on top of this rock, I see this glowing figure.
		Kind of like the statue down at LA for the awards.
		But the hands are at the side.
		It's not threatening.
		And I thought, I'm going straight to Napa.
		I lost my cookie.
		I'm going crazy.
		And so I said, well, I'll turn around.
		And I looked at the statue and I said, thanks.
		I appreciate your help.
		And I turned around and I walked a couple steps and I said, I better check one more time.
		I turned around.
		It was still there.
		And the only thing I could think to do was whistle a happy tune and run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, prior to your divorce, did an entity visit you and advise you to get a lawyer?
unidentified		No, as a matter of fact, they didn't.
unidentified		Because after that, you know, we moved, and I haven't experienced any other crazy things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your stories, plural.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hello.
		I'm calling from Tennessee.
		Can I give my first name?
		Sure.
		Well, let's call myself John.
		I'm afraid that this story might be too recognizable to a few of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, John.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want everybody now to listen very carefully so we can identify John by his voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, John.
unidentified		Go ahead, John.
		Okay.
		I'm going to explain a little bit of motivations for some of my actions lest I draw immediate criticism from you.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		It involves a friend of mine and I in college, this is about five or six years ago, and a haunted auditorium.
		Now we were both people who a couple of years before this had been complete unbelievers in all sorts of different phenomena.
		He was completely agnostic and I wasn't sure what I was.
		But we had all found neat, tidy ways to explain all this away.
		And then we had befriended this third guy who was involved in the darker side of spiritual happenings and such.
		And we had problems that we had a hard time getting rid of.
		And we were both very interested in different religious traditions, but it was just in a sort of academic way.
		But we found ourselves sort of making a sort of hodgepodge of different religions and traditions trying to deal with this new situation we were in and found them to work.
		And so this is sort of the stage we were in.
		It was curious, but we were trying to find answers to things and such.
		And started questioning, why are we here?
		What does the spiritual world have to do with us?
		What are our obligations and such?
		And there was this auditorium on campus of the college, and it had been a fort during the Civil War.
		And there had been several major battles on that hill.
		And there had been different stories about that auditorium, and some of them sounded possibly credible, some of them not so credible.
		And some of them had happened to friends of ours.
		And so one night we, well, we often walked around the campus on night, just at night, just talking and that sort of thing.
		And we would sit up on the hill near the auditorium.
		It was kind of a, it gave it kind of a nice view of the city.
		So we decided to go in one night.
		It's supposed to be locked.
		It doesn't work very well.
		I think they've secured it better since then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you were going in to test all this.
unidentified		I was going in to test it all, right.
		And my friend had said that he had been in there and sent some things before but he was in a stage at the time where he was you know just writing it all off as ah you know got myself worked up and you know did myself the spooks and such.
		So he wanted to try it again sort of.
		And we've both been at during the day it's fine.
		It's like everything sort of goes into hiding.
		Well when you first walk in there's a sort of hostile atmosphere.
		It seems like there's a bunch of spirits and some of the stories that have been circulating were such that musicians and such that practice there for the day to come have experienced such things as hearing the seats move around and looking out and seeing all the eyes, like eyes in the audience and all the seats and that sort of thing.
		Well we sat there and I didn't see anything for a while, but there was a feeling that we weren't wanted.
		But after a while it kind of settled down.
		It's like they ignored us.
		Maybe it's because it's an auditorium and they're used to people coming and going, but not at night so much.
		I don't know.
		But we started watching it and there was a feeling that we should whisper and be very quiet.
		And we did notice a couple of, I don't know what you call them, motions in the balcony.
		There would be where there was some emergency light, things of security light or something.
		And there would be like a black figure of a person would go towards the light and then disappear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like you'd catch it out of the corner of your eye.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And it was interesting.
		It was like people trying to walk, but it didn't work right.
		It's like they thought they were there and thought they were stealing a body, but it didn't work right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now on the grounds around that auditorium that was where a lot of the killings had taken place, there was actually a trench.
		I didn't know it was a trench at the time.
		Where I would walk through it and get all sorts of creepy feelings.
		I wouldn't walk through that at night.
		I didn't know why.
		I didn't know why until two or three years later that that was, I didn't know it was a battle trench.
		But I would get these sort of feelings, you know, really dark sort of feelings of death and murder and such.
		So my friend and I left after a while.
		We'd had enough.
		But after two or three days, we got to talking about it and felt that we should do something, you know, if this is real and if those are really spirits that are left over from the war and such.
		And that's terrible.
		Sort of what we were talking, or what you were talking about earlier, people being trapped on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Civil War was a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
unidentified		So we decided that we were going to try to help them in some way.
		And so we were thinking of what do people do around the world to deal with this sort of situation.
		And the Japanese, and also the Chinese, have something what the Japanese call a no-play, where actors take on the roles of the people that are involved in the story, and they act it out.
		And through that acting out, the ghost sort of realizes that the people are aware of it.
		And it sort of exercises the ghost and helps it on play.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you did that?
unidentified		We did that.
		And I'm trying to wrap this up quickly.
		So we played opposite sides.
		One was north, one was south.
		And we got on stage there and we acted it out.
		And the highlight is it all sort of became more real than I want it to be.
		I felt sort of silly at first, but I instantly felt like younger than I was, like 15 or 16 or something, and scared out of my wits.
		Like I didn't know what I was doing.
		Here I was in the middle of this war.
		And I heard this voice, which I thought was my friend from across the stage, saying, be quiet.
		And I knew it was my commanding officer.
		And I was aware of the fact that when he said that, I was whimpering and such.
		And I felt silly.
		I felt very immature.
		And I saw my friend rushing at me across from the stage, and I said, this is it.
		I'm going to die.
		This is the end of my life.
		And we ran at each other and acted out the rest.
		I was just real short.
		We shot at each other and I felt that I had died and I remembered my wife and knew that there was a child that I was not going to see again.
		And we got to walking out afterwards and we felt like we'd really done something.
		And I said, you know, that actually worked a lot better than I thought it would.
		I mean, I was getting visuals and such.
		My friend's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		And the visuals sort of matched up.
		And I said to my friend, you know, I think the high point was when you yelled over at me, like, you know, be quiet, because you were, you know, I didn't know what you were doing at first, but I felt that it was my commanding officer, you know, telling me to, you know, get straight, here it comes.
		And he said, do I?
		And I said, you know, when you yelled at me.
		And tears started running down his face.
		And my knees collapsed.
		He didn't do that.
		He didn't say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And we didn't go back for a while.
		But we did want to know sort of if anything had happened.
		And we did go around that area.
		And after about a month or so, we managed to get up the courage to go back in.
		And the atmosphere did seem different.
		They weren't all gone or anything like that, but it seemed different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it was minus one or two.
unidentified		That's what we were hoping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you had helped one or two on.
unidentified		That's what we were hoping.
		But I thought it was sort of interesting.
		You were talking about the proactive thing, whether it was a loop or proactive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think that some of the spirits are in a loop until something gets them out.
		I've had another experience I won't get to, of course.
		That seems to indicate the same sort of thing.
		And that acting that my friend and I did also seems to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or is it simply sort of an echo of what did occur?
		Not truly a trapped soul, but just an echo.
		It's a very, very important question.
unidentified		Well, what our experience seems to indicate and what a lot of other cultures around the world believe is that they are there, but not trapped in the sense that they don't know what to do necessarily, but they're held there.
		It seemed like some of them still were holding on to the war.
		I mean, some of them were still, you know, I'm in the north, you're in the south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Yeah.
		Nothing changed from the instant they died.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their reality is still then.
unidentified		Right, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you did a very strange thing, but actually a very good thing, and I guess you felt good about it.
unidentified		Yeah, we did.
unidentified		We felt relieved ourselves, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, listen, you have just completed Ghost to Ghost AM with one of the best stories, so I give you the honors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell everybody good night.
unidentified		Good night, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		Folks, we're out of time.
		It has been one of the best Ghost to Ghost shows.
		Actually, two of them this year.
		And it's been a pleasure.
		Thank you all.
		Sorry we didn't have more time.
		From the High Desert, I'm Art Bell.

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