Michael Holm’s Apurimac 3 album blends Native American themes—like Ghost Dance, inspired by a horseback ride on Katshara—with intuitive melodies rooted in direct cultural immersion, contrasting modern music’s lack of harmony. After the break, Patsy (aka Harlot), a self-proclaimed "satanic birth witch" from Salt Lake City, traces her lineage to a 19th-century survival pact with Satan, rejecting God’s authority while embracing chaos as his tool. She claims her coven manipulates Mormons and others, dismisses Wiccans as misguided, and insists magic is inherently evil, even justifying harm against children in Christian families. The segment reveals a stark clash: Holm’s music uplifts nature and history, while Harlot’s Satanism weaponizes deception to fuel apocalyptic conflict, leaving listeners questioning the blurred lines between faith, power, and extremism. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be across all these many, many, many time zones stretching from the Pacific, where the Hawaiian Islands, the Asian Island chains, language to the sun and the trade winds, all the way east to the Caribbean, U.S. Virgin Islands, south and South American north, all the way to the South Country of Pole.
It's the post-pokemon to do tonight.
In our first hour, we're going to talk to Michael Holmes.
Genius behind.
And then we're going to talk to a witch.
As we approach Halloween, we begin doing shows-oriented toward the darker side.
Well, there are millions of people out there, Michael, who have come to know and love your music.
I am one of those millions.
And I guess the first thing I would like to ask you, Michael, is how you developed and even conceived of the project for Apuramac 3.
How did you come up with this music?
unidentified
You know, Art, we all the time, Christian Schulzen, my partner in Crusco, and I, we all the time try to first give ourselves a story, a theme, then we go into the stories around, and then out of that we create music.
Means regarding Apurimaxri, we read a lot the North American Indians.
I visit all those places from Sedona to Taos to Arizona and try to understand that the American Indians are not only plain Indians, that there are many, many tribes with huge diversity of culture.
And all this in mind and reading and listening to stories, then it creates at the end those melodies like on Aporio Maxwell.
Well, do you go into some sort of you come and you visit the American Southwest and you try to learn as much as you can about the Native American.
Then what is the process you go through to actually create the music, in your mind, to create the music?
How do you do that?
Do you do some kind of concentration or what?
unidentified
It depends.
It's different ways that you start to create music.
For instance, I have a theme in mind, an idea.
I want to write, for instance, about a song, it was a must for me to have it about the buffaloes.
Only I never seen buffaloes before, so I was reading and looking at pictures.
But at the end, the idea, the melody idea, came to me when I, in January, was in Denver at the very big Stockholes show over there.
And a friend of mine, Jackson Vesta, gave me the possibility to hang around, let's say, that way, to hang around with the buffaloes for two hours, to look at them, to admire them.
and then do you create the music at that time or do you then go home and sit down and think about everything you saw and does the music Do you just sit there and wait for a tune to come in your mind?
Do you sit at a synthesizer or a piano and start playing with notes?
Or how do you do that?
unidentified
No, the ideas directly I had when I was looking to the buffaloes.
Then I have it in my mind and then I hum it to myself a couple of times and I never will forget it.
And then of course at home I work out the harmonies and thinking a little bit of arrangements, how it should start, how the dynamic and the tension of the production and the song should go.
But the general idea was there looking, admiring the buffaloes.
I perhaps have my own little bit of creativity, but it's very different and I have a very hard time understanding how such great works can just sort of pop out of your mind.
That's an amazing thing to me, Michael.
It's an amazing talent.
How long have you been doing this?
unidentified
I work in music since 32 years.
So I developed something like a creative technique over the years.
For instance, another way, very often I go out in the country with my horse and before I'm I prepare myself to think, to create, to compose a title and then in the saddle while riding it comes to my mind.
Like for instance, the Ghost Dance more or less is composed on the saddle of Katshara of my host.
I have played this for several friends of mine who are Native Americans, and they begged me, when I had the only copy of it, they begged me to give them a copy of it, and I would not turn it loose because I had promised not to do that.
All right, Michael, there is much more, of course, to your third CD in this series than Ghost Dance.
So what about the rest of it?
What did you do?
How did that come to you?
And how did you get Perump?
I want to know about Perump.
unidentified
Paramp was by thinking of the great evening that we had together, you, Ramona, my agent, the lady Sharon from Higher Off Taft.
It was really a super evening with a lot of talking, a lot of giggling also.
And so I tried to put this atmosphere into the song.
But for instance, we also write together, Christian Schulz and me, like for The Hunt, if you remember that title.
We were sitting a whole afternoon together and nothing, yes, something came out, but nothing that was exciting us.
And while going out of the room, the musician's room, I started to hum this.
So Christian said, wait a minute, what is this?
So he went back to the piano.
So we started with this phrase, and in about ten minutes, the hunt was done.
All right, I have said of your music, and I really believe it, that it is a complete revolution.
It's a complete change.
In the same way, the Beatles changed music.
You have changed music, and I am in awe of this.
And it's not just this latest CD, but all three of the Cusco the Now trilogy.
It's just a revolution.
And so I would ask, how you even envisioned this complete change in music?
How you came to this?
unidentified
I worked a long time in music the normal ways, and I kind of was ready to go in a new direction, to have a music that is very personal and that is not new,
not in the way to create some crazy unheard stuff, no, new in the way of giving a lot of heart, a lot of tension, put it into the music and, which today some composers maybe forget, looking for a melody.
I'm all the time looking, searching for a melody.
This is very important for me in the next step to get the right groove down under the melody.
And either it is a matter of experience or of instinct, but this is, I think, the special quality of Cusco.
All of your music has a melody for which I am very, very thankful.
A lot of new music, Michael, both in Europe and in America, seems to have no melody at all.
And it may be that I'm just showing my age, I don't know, but it's very hard to listen to.
Some of the new music for me is very hard to listen to without a melody.
Would you like to comment on what you hear in today's new music?
unidentified
Yeah, there is definitely in large areas of modern music, there's definitely a lack of melodies, only to think back of the 60s and 70s, when there was the rock, pop music was full of unbelievable exciting melodies.
I don't want to put any kind of different music down.
There is a need for this kind and that kind and yeah if you more into only grooves or rap stuff or techno stuff, why not?
Only I do my music.
I try to write the music that is the closest to me that I would love to hear myself and only I can hope that after delivering an album there is an echo in the audience.
Well, when I listen to some of today's music I don't hear something that you can tap your foot to or that you can sing or that puts a certain rhythm in your brain but instead it seems to express anger or some great negative emotion and that is not the way music used to be at all so there has been a big change in music.
unidentified
Yes, and you come now to an issue that is very important for me and that is one of the, I think, fundaments of Cusco.
We want to create warm music, music that builds you up, that gives energy to you.
We want to tell our stories, our historical stories or express our love to nature.
And yeah, there is a different attitude, for instance, when you are full of anger and full of aggression and try to express this with rhythms and with singing or with destroyed melodies.
There's a place, I think, for every kind of music.
Only Cusco is more the music that builds up, that caresses your heart and your soul.
Again, back to creativity, because I've always been very interested in that, Michael.
Some days when I come to do my radio program, most days it's very easy for me.
It just comes.
You know, naturally it comes.
And it's like playing.
It is not like work.
Some days, a few days when I come in, it's almost impossible.
And everything I do is very, very hard work.
And I have to push myself to do it.
Is it like that with writing music some days?
It just comes very easily.
it's kind of like uh...
the hand of god has reached down and given you an ok and everything you do is gold and other days nothing will come uh...
unidentified
It's exactly the same way.
Sometimes it just flies into your mind and sometimes you have weeks and months even that you suffer and that you have the feeling you never will write a good tune again.
And in that time, during those frustration times, you build up ideas, I think, that later on like a volcano, you can spit out.
So it's never a safe thing to be creative.
You have your high times and your down times.
And it's important that at your high times you try to work as much as possible because you know the wave will be gone someday and then you have to walk through the desert.
And that's all the time when I'm finished with an album, then I feel a little bit empty and it needs a couple of months that I fill up my inner generator, something like that, that I'm ready to really hungry to write again.
There are some artists, Michael, who say they write their best music when they are at their lowest moments or when they are at their most emotional moments.
And when everything is fine and going well, they have a very hard time writing music.
What do you say about that?
unidentified
It has to be that way with me also, years before.
With Cusco, I cannot say so.
It is more coming up with the vision, coming up with the story.
What will be the theme of the next Cusco album?
And in the working about the themes, in the reading and seeing places and the talks and listening also to music of the specific crowd that we want to describe, by that, it is pretty normally, pretty steadily, the ideas flow towards the record.
It is, and with Michael Holm, the man whose great mind has created the music that you're hearing right now.
In fact, if you have a question for Michael, you're more than welcome to call now.
You might like to know when we go on cruises and we give away various items from sponsors, when we get to the Cusco CDs, a great gasp always goes up in the audience, and a great hush falls as we read the numbers.
It's absolutely enchanting music.
There's no question about it.
And we have here from Bavaria, and we'll let him describe where he is in Bavaria and what kind of atmosphere he lives in that allows the creation of this music in a moment.
If you have questions for Michael, I think we'll do that this half hour.
The End The End Now, once again, all the way back to Bavaria and Michael Holm.
Michael, if you wouldn't mind, give everybody some kind of sense of what it is like where you live in Bavaria.
What is it like there?
unidentified
Well, I'm living about 50 kilometers south of Munich, more or less pretty much in the middle between Munich and the Alps.
There is a little village called Weilheim, and my place, it's a farm, is about three kilometers outside of this little village.
We do an organic farming.
We have horses, 24 horses, and a little crops.
And we have five stocks.
And we live here a really very beautiful country life.
Big garden in the summer, fruits and herbs and everything, tomatoes, cucumbers, everything comes out of the garden.
And we sell our crops.
We need the straw for the horses and we make our own hay.
The Apurimark series, pretty logically, is describing or the try of a description, of a personal description of old cultures, especially the Indian cultures.
So coming from the Incas in Apurimark 1, going to the Mayas, the Apsteks in Apurimark II, and now consequently being at the North American tribes with Apurimark III.
So yes, my company, Haya Octav, they already were asking me what about Apurimark IV?
Do you have any idea?
To be honest, at the moment, I have no idea, but if we would come up with Apurimark III, which Indian tribe could we describe?
That is my question.
Then it would have a logic if we have another idea what to do musically with the Indians.
Well, he was suggesting perhaps Polynesia or the South Polynesia.
unidentified
Ah, I didn't get that.
Okay, I mean, that's a matter of sneaking a little bit into the music and into the culture, and maybe also definitely going to Polynesia, to those islands.
And even if it doesn't, it would be a very nice trip.
unidentified
Yeah, you poisoned me.
You told me some great stories about these areas.
I plan sooner or later, minimum, to go to Hawaii because some people told me there is a bay where 50, 60, 100 dolphins come, and you can swim with them.
And my question for your guest is first I'd like to compliment him for such wonderful, original and dynamic chord changes and wonderful rhythms, the percussion.
Do you, Michael, use keyboard for everything or do you use original flute for all your flute ensembles?
We use a lot of the flutes that are, for instance, our trademark, something is the old MOOC, the Mini MOOC.
We have this specific flute sound special worked out, of course, from the Mini MOOC.
We use also samples and a lot of natural flutes.
But often I experienced, for instance, the title White Buffalo on the last album of Purimax 3, where we had about six flutes from samples or from synthesizer and four natural flutes.
And at the end, in the mix, I mixed away the natural flutes besides the very ending, the last eight bars of the song, because they didn't sound so exciting in the phrasing and in the sound that they could compete with the other instruments.
Very funny.
Only at the end then the warmth really is taken over and therefore I left it.
But the excitement of the MOOC flute and the Semte flute was bigger for me than the natural flute.
Michael, one of the things that every time I hear your music, it's almost like you get a feeling of happiness and joy through the music that is really very, very rare.
And I was wondering if you, you're the kind of person that gets up early in the morning and watches the sun come up.
I have studied a lot of classical music, and you almost seem to have a minuet going on in the background with the melody.
But the images that the music produces are so adaptable that I'm hoping maybe in the future you'll see maybe children's cartoons with your music in the background telling stories and things like that.
Oh, he's right in the middle of the Redwoods, Michael.
unidentified
Yeah, hello, Mr. Holmes.
It's a pleasure to speak with you.
I tell you something, you are in a very magical, special, spiritual place in the world.
And I promised myself I will, hopefully, I will find a guide to make a horseback ride through the Redwood.
Because I think that this area will speak to me very intensely, and I will have a lot of ideas doing a ride or a walk through, a longer walk through the Redwood.
Yeah, it's very beautiful.
Actually, one of the reasons I was calling is they're planning on cutting down just about all the virgin redwood forests up here at Headwaters.
Yeah, that's a tragedy.
I read about it.
This is a shame and a tragedy and a crime.
And what can you do?
Only maybe collect money all over the nation and try to buy as much redwood land as possible and preserve it that way.
But otherwise, the economical interest will be bigger and stronger than the need for preserving this unbelievable, beautiful, spiritual area in the world.
Now, I understand that nature is part of the subtitle of Permac 3.
But maybe nature itself carries a theme that would be proper for your music.
unidentified
Nature and history.
I mean, those are the two themes that are fertilizing our music.
The love of nature, to nature, to animals, and the interest in human history, in the beautiful and horrible stories that you can get out of history of the past.
That is, yeah, more or less the foundation of the spirit for Crusoe.
But if this sort of thing offends you, tune out now.
This is your absolute warning.
Tune out now.
Otherwise, hang tight, and we'll all learn something together, I suspect.
And we've got several announcements coming up.
Saturday morning at 10 o'clock, I am going to do the only book signing I'm ever going to do for the Quickening.
It's going to be in Encinitas.
Encinitas?
Every now and then I say another city book.
by mistake.
Escondido.
It's not Escondido.
It's Encinitas.
And it's going to be at Barnes Noble in Encinitas at 1040 North El Camino Real.
Now, it is a brand new bookstore, so fear not if you have checked a map, which some people have and haven't found it, be assured it is indeed there and one of the largest Barnes and Noble bookstores in all of California.
So there it is at 1040 North El Camino Real.
There I will be at 10 a.m. sharp on Saturday morning.
My suggestion is to be there early.
Now I will sign books for no less than 10 hours.
They will then put my hand, possibly my entire arm, in a cast and carry me away.
But for 10 hours, I will definitely personally sign books.
The reason this may be important is because it is the only time I am ever going to do it.
All right.
Just before we go to our which question mark?
We're going to Denver very quickly for an announcement from Tim Cannon.
Now, Tim Cannon, I think, is there have been elections in the Art Bell Chat Club organization.
And Tim is now some sort of international international.
What are you, Tim?
unidentified
International Coordinator Art and the founder of the Art Bell Chat Club.
Well, of course, the founder, but I wasn't quite sure of what the international title was.
And we are international now because I know we've got a chat club in London.
That's correct.
And that's good because we may soon be heard in London.
Anyway, what's going on with the chat clubs?
unidentified
Well, lots of things.
We're looking at some spots up in Canada.
And I've been working closely with Keith Rowland.
And Keith is going to be putting, I imagine it's already up by now, the information about all the chat clubs, their locations, the coordinators for each chat club, along with a phone number in that area that listeners can contact their coordinator and find out when the next meetings are going to be.
And I want to take just a minute to thank Bob and Sue Crane, who's been really great sponsors of the chat club and supportive.
Alan Korbus and David Masters up at the network and of course yourself and Keith Rowland who's worked very closely.
We're celebrating here in the next week our first year anniversary of the First Chat Club here in Denver which meets at the Rising Phoenix Bookstore twice a month.
And some of the guests that we've had for those new listeners who are not familiar with what we do, basically we try to bring on lots of the guests that you had on the show in person and they come in and speak to us and you have the opportunity to meet those guests and ask questions and listen to their presentation.
We've had David John Oates of course, Jose Escamelia, Ron Russell, Victoria Willenquist, Alan Meese, Joyce Riley, along with many others.
Keith Rowland is scheduled at our Phoenix Club here real soon.
So if you'd like to get out and meet Keith, you need to contact the Phoenix Club and get the information about Keith is going to be a guest at the Phoenix Club.
Well, we do have a chat club in Las Vegas, and of course Los Angeles, Portland, Deborah, all over the country now.
And we're real proud of the first one that's spraying up here in Denver.
It's Rising Phoenix.
And tonight we've all gathered listening to this show.
The first hour was great with Michael Holmes and celebrating the 24th birthday of Curtis Miller, one of our chat club members and a great fan of yours.
And so they've kept the bookstore open a little late so we can all gather and have a great time.
Well, listen, my friend, let me get the number out again for anybody interested in forming a chat club or finding out, I guess, about the activities of the one in your area.
I knew that that would be one of the first reactions when I sent the facts.
What should I say when my fiancé sent the facts?
You know, for many years it has been publicized in different newsletters and through television and through the media itself about what a witch is.
If you search these things out, you will find out that even in the most medieval times, that witches were of a more of an evil nature.
We took great pleasure in setting great traps and being diverse, a very diverse heart, placing ourselves in a position to be looked upon as Satan followers.
But what we do, we do practice the art of witchcraft.
What I am is a satanic third or fourth generation birth witch.
I am practicing an art and a faith that has been passed down through my family for generations.
And all I can say to them is if they don't think I'm a witch, well, that's their prerogative, and, you know, so be it.
I have encountered many of them here where I live.
I have encountered them over the span of my years.
Even when I was a young child, I have pretty much been from coast to coast.
I haven't made it from border to border yet.
I'm one border minus, but I'm going to get there soon.
And I've encountered them everywhere.
And the thing that I find interesting about it is that once the topics have come up and once it becomes an open discussion, I'm always left standing alone.
And I always get these little word-of-mouth things coming back from them, passed to this person, and so on and so on.
There's Wiccans listening to the station right now, no more than about eight blocks from where I'm live, and I'm tired of it, and they know who it is now.
And they have an opportunity, and I welcome the opportunity.
I am not going to bicker.
I will not get into a rambling discussion about irrelevant things.
I came here with a purpose, and that purpose was to deceive and to lead astray as many as I could.
And I have for years, even through my childhood, reacted very strongly between issues considering God, heaven, Satan, hell.
I am a full-fledged, totally devoted individual, a woman who serves Satan in her heart, and I take no, absolutely no regard for people's lives when it comes to me handing them pretty much on a silver platter straight to Satan and take them straight to hell.
We are a movement, and it is not just here, it is nationwide, worldwide.
We proclaim and uphold all evil.
We uphold Satan.
We are children of the devil.
And I want to touch on something here in a moment because I know what kind of reaction that just caused in people out there throughout America and other places.
And that purpose is, is waiting for the time of the apocalypse, waiting for the time of the basic beginning of the end, during which that time, when that time occurs, we will raise our ugly heads more notably, more publicly bent on one thing, and that is establishing our rule on this planet.
Satan is, was, one of the greatest of all angels in the kingdom of heaven at that time.
Oh, son of the morning, if you will.
Beauty, vast intelligence.
Satan in our minds, and we're not afraid to say this, and we're not afraid of what God's going to do.
What God does is what God does.
We believe that the reason Satan was punished was because of the simple fact that he had awakened himself to God's plan.
If you go through your scriptures and you find out in the beginning with Adam and Eve and so forth and so on, their eyes were pretty much closed, only opened to what God wanted them to see at that point.
And at that time, Satan decided that that was not right.
Why close the eyes of human beings?
Why not let the human race know good and evil?
Let the human race begin to gain knowledge of all things.
But why would anybody, and I can only ask you because you're the only one here, why would anybody, knowing the difference and understanding the difference between good and evil, choose evil?
That mark began to slowly disappear as I grow older.
I still have it, but not in the fulfillment that it was at birth.
And my grandmother, which is my mother's mother, had known for a long time.
I think the reason my mother couldn't, she was really disturbed by it because I don't really believe that she could understand the concept, and which is going to lead into something very interesting that I would like to share, and that's how this got into my family blood to begin with.
Once again, I am I guess otherwise known as Probably she wasn't going to give her name, and suddenly at the last moment she's decided against the hell with it.
She's going to use her name.
This is going to be very interesting, and I'm going to tread fairly cautiously here.
And I said going into the break that it was kind of like interviewing a female version of Charlie Manson.
Charlie Manson, I recall seeing interviewed in jail, and I thought Charlie Manson was the antithesis of evil.
And virtually said so in the interview.
And you could feel it.
You could just feel it when you listened to Charlie Manson.
And as I listen to Harlotte or Patsy, I feel the same thing, don't you?
And for some reason, I want to try to understand it if I can.
We're waiting for the fulfillment of that quickening, if you will.
We call it the beginning and the coming of the apocalypse, the beginning of the end that is to come.
We do not go out and do different things.
There's no one in my coven that even uses a hallucinatic drug.
We do not allow it.
There are no narcotics, no alcohol abuse allowed within the laws of this coven.
Even in the private sect, in the private activities with the members of this coven, we do not, repeat, do not authorize the use or sell or take part in any of that period.
Absolutely not.
It's not a part of our purpose.
We are part of a grand purpose that is a very spiritual, if you will.
Art, we have to have justification.
We don't Just go out and create chaos without cause.
When someone gives us or gives me, talk about me, that reason, I will resort to whatever means necessary to obtain my vital existence, our own individual vital existence is what means most to us.
If we are dead or if we are strung out, if you will, how then can we be vital to Satan's conspiracy?
We are a part of the conspiracy that's going on in this world created by the hands of the devil.
And we are going to do everything where we are hell-bent and hell-bound to uphold that conspiracy.
According to Wiccans that I've interviewed, when you put a curse on somebody or you do something evil to somebody else, it comes back to you times three or ten or whatever.
Well, it's not like I sit here in my house and say, okay, I'm ready, let's go.
It's not that I'm like, okay, I'm going to dive into it.
We take it from this.
I choose to live by my human nature.
And if my human nature is an abomination unto God, if I choose to live what in a biblical sense would be termed sinful, and if I live a sinful life, then I go to hell, well, I would rather go to hell with honor than go to hell out of ignorance.
And I'm going to go straight to that bottomless pit.
And when that key and what is done and what happens when you're in the middle of the day.
but what you're hard on that i'm not sure that people go to hell out of ignorance and other words if they if they need any Well, the scripture, and I'm not going to start quoting it, I'm not going to do that, and I'm going to bring out how I use scripture and how this coven does in a little while, ignorance.
There are people out there out of ignorance and lack of knowledge of the Word of God, of His Word.
They lack the knowledge of it.
They think, okay, I'm going to live a great life.
And, you know, that's fine if they choose that, because I welcome it.
You know, I live a good life.
I'm a just human being.
I do different things and do different things.
But, ooh, the one God chose to be his Savior, did he not say, for many shall come unto me in that day, saying, did I or did I not, or did I do these things in thy name?
Haven't I done all these great works in thy name?
Haven't not I believed in you?
And he shall say unto them, Leave me, you worker of lawlessness and iniquity, for I have never knew you.
I knew the first time, I believe I was seven or eight, that there was something awfully different about me.
I was a child who, when I lived on a farm and I worked very hard, our family had a very large farm and different aspects of that.
I knew there was something wrong.
I was a child that when I would go out and work in the fields and I would help my parents and different things, I despised sunlight.
It wasn't so much because of the heat, it was what it was doing to me.
I began to, as a child, without even having full knowledge of Scripture, look up at the sky and curse God for having the sun so bright.
I would seek shade.
I would seek to lurk in shadows.
I was a child that my parents could never keep me asleep at night.
I would sleep in the daytime just wonderfully.
And as soon as the sun began to set, I began to awaken and cause much chaos and havoc in my home.
I remember the first time that I actually did what I consider my first experience with witchcraft.
I had living in the country area where I lived in Alabama at the time and living in that part of the world at the time, I had no exposure to a lot of magazines or a lot of different things from the outside that area, that small area, very desolate part of the state and different things.
I remember just all of a sudden I walked outside and I walked into this nice, beautiful sand pit that I always played in.
And all of a sudden it was like a shadow came over me and I got up and I grabbed the stick.
I had never seen one.
I'm serious there.
I had never seen one.
And I drew a complete circle.
I put a pentagram in it.
It's the face of the Gotamendez and everything.
And I began to walk around that.
All of a sudden I sit right in the middle of it and I closed my eyes and I envisioned things that was going on with my father that day.
I ran back into the house and told my mother that my father would be arriving late and he had some business to attend to and different things to go on downtown, way down the road, believe me, and that he would be late concerning issues concerning what he was doing at the time with the farm and different aspects of business.
Well, my mom looked at me kind of, did you talk to your dad before he went to work?
This was a summertime.
I wasn't in school.
And I said, no, mom, I haven't seen dad since last night when he hugged me around at the supper table to go to bed.
Well, my dad got home at pretty much the exact time that I had told my mother.
And me and my brother and sister were sitting at the dinner table.
And I heard my mom ask my father about these things.
And my dad told her that is impossible.
How did you know?
He didn't even call.
He didn't even call.
She said, Patsy came in here and told me.
Well, it got quiet in the kitchen.
Well, I found myself two days later getting my bags packed and sent off to my grandmother's house.
I got sent to my grandmother's house, and then that's when she came out and had an old photo album and a lot of letters and a lot of things that were written a long time ago.
And that's when I first discovered the bloodline in my family relating to being satanic and being a witch.
They came to a point to where it was virtually death was beginning, illnesses were beginning to set in.
One of the members of the family, who shall remain lamos, because it would give away directly into the family tree, and I'm not going to do that, sought help from God.
Well, things got worser.
And as the days, and there was approximately 10 days here in a period, they began to look at each other, if you will, with eyes of, well, we're getting to the point to where survival is a necessity.
We must live to carry on this bloodline.
One of the members decided to hell with it and called upon the devil.
As it was written and told to me that there was a deal cut out with an individual who encountered my family proclaiming the devil, this individual was a very mysterious person from what we understand.
They virtually, in pure blood, made an agreement that if they would continue and to bring forth a bloodline of witches and warlocks and so on and so on, that Satan would provide them with their needs.
Well, the family is here.
No one starved to death.
Everybody began to flourish, make money.
A lot of people in our bloodline became wealthy.
A lot of us became very well-known and were very active in different political areas back in that area of the country at that time, even resulting even up to now.
I have interviewed, if you've been a listener to the program, you know I've interviewed Malachi Martin, a Catholic priest.
Advisor to Pope's way up in the Catholic Church.
He talks of people who are perfectly possessed.
People who are wealthy, powerful, politicians, people who are very well-to-do, who are simply perfectly possessed, who have in effect made their own pact with the devil.
You see, vital existence, Mr. Bell, is so important.
And to be vitally existing on this planet means that this planet must become vital.
And which is leading me into something here that, whoo-hoo, is really going to set the fires burning.
We do not, and I repeat, we are the ones who do not pollute this earth.
Through governments and through the foundations that have been set, it seems almost like today that unless a political person who's wanting to get up into the hierarchy of politics and government control, if you will, almost seems to have to have a Christian background of one way or the other.
A morally correct, godly point of view, if you will.
There is going to be, I believe this, that there's certain, I believe personally that there is a good and there is an evil.
And hence there must be a God, there must be uh a representative of evil and there is a constant battle going on.
You believe that there will be an Armageddon a final war.
In almost all of Hollywood, Harlot, in almost all of Hollywood, when they depict these battles going on, it seems as though the dark side or the devil is winning.
But in the end, of course, good always triumphs over evil.
I have always, my entire life, had an incredible urging for the underdog, if you will.
And when I mean the underdog, I mean the ultimate underdog.
I feel in my heart what God did was unjustified and how he punished Satan.
I feel that the structure of Christianity, the structure of the church, the structure of the godly belief itself is unjustified.
I think that as human beings we are unfairly punished at the hands of a Creator who is not perfect, who is very fallible and has made many mistakes along the way.
Jesus said, every time I say that name, well, he said, for the Father in heaven knoweth all things, past, present, and future.
If you take that literally, then that means that God, literally himself, knew of everything the devil would do, that human beings would do, from the point even beyond creation itself.
I firmly hold to that.
I firmly hold to that, that I believe that God is responsible and the blame.
And if I, as a human being who opposes him and upholds the other side, if I myself could put God on trial, I would find him, if I could, as jury and executioner, guilty on crimes and be punished for crimes against this planet and the human race.
I would find him guilty and condemn him to eternal death.
Well, Mr. Bell, I believe that we are, and I believe that Satan and we all as a whole are descendants from a higher race of more intelligent and supreme beings that have, and I carefully use this word, evolved,
we'll use that, evolve, to a point of so far beyond our human flesh and bones and our puny human minds that yes, I do believe that a lot of the abductions and UFOs are our creators,
are our enemies, and I think these people, whether it be by the hands of God or by the hands of Satan, do have a right and do come to this planet to test, to experiment and just see how far we ourselves have evolved mentally, not so much physically, but mentally.
And if we are just to the point of preparing ourselves for the advancement of the human race to take us beyond the limitations that we have now, that where all the questions in the end will be answered when basically when we can build that ship,
that vessel that physically will be able to transport us across the galaxy, across the universe, to other worlds, worlds of a higher intelligence, an evolution process that has taken those beings beyond the realm of the physical needs that we have.
And the second question is, since much of established Christianity considers Mormonism to be a cult and its adherents already on the wrong path, why are you in Salt Lake City?
Is there a connection between your master and Mormonism?
I think that a lot of the LDS faith is dead accurate.
Dead accurate on a lot of things.
I don't particularly agree with them in the sense of proclaiming God as their eyes that governs their church.
Right on their museum.
I don't have a fear of this.
Right on their museum down there, they have a pentagram.
Right on their museum.
There's a lot of things in the LDS faith.
When I came here, I came into a situation to where I lived with LDS people.
I came here with nothing, Mr. Bell.
I came here to prove how an evil person can go into a society, embed themselves into the working order of that society, and use and take total advantage to get what I needed to sustain myself.
I joined the LDS Church because at the time I needed a place to live.
I will do anything.
But yes, the LDS people are pretty good people.
I like a lot of what they do out there and how they motivate themselves to financial gain and to motivate themselves to working and doing what it is that they do until someone in that organization comes to me and says, okay, what we are is actually a part of what you are.
Then I will shake their hands and help them fulfill their goals and fulfill their promises.
But as long as they proclaim God, they are my enemy.
As long as they proclaim Christ in the form that they see him as, they are my enemy.
I take great pleasure in creating havoc in the life of a God-believer in any form or any religion.
I take great pleasure in it.
Satan uses me that way.
Art, I have left where I sustain myself with virtually nothing, alone, with only my cunning and my diverse thoughts and my wicked tongue, and hitchhiked alone, young, young woman myself, alone across this country on interstates in the middle of the night in order to spread unholy seeds.
There are people, many, Harlot, who will say what you're saying represents not a religion, not a belief, not a worship of that devil that you say you worship, but rather a mental illness.
Mr. Bell, in front of your audience, the millions, whatever are listening, Christ said something in his scriptures that I take to virtual heart, that Christ said, whoever denieth me before man, I will deny before my Father.
I deny Jesus of my body and of my soul.
And I deny him of a right to have any governorship over me, any authority over me.
Period.
I deny him the right of my heart.
That way I will be assured that he will definitely, and I do everything in my power, each and every breath I take.
I definitely want to be denied in heaven.
I want the second death when the numbers of the sands of the, their numbers are like the sands of the sea when they surround the encampment of the saints.
I'll begin taking calls after this break because, believe it or not, I'm almost at a loss for words.
Absolutely incredible.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell.
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I don't care one bit what anyone out there in the listening audience feels about me.
I really don't.
I know in my heart what I am.
I have only began to express my evil.
I haven't yet even began.
I welcome phone calls from anyone.
But the one I want the most, because only it is relevant, and that's either a priest or a minister of any faith who will get on with me and discuss these things.
One, if Satan knows he will lose, even if he believes he is totally right and justified in what he's doing, then why does he not repent and be forgiven?
Surely he is intelligent enough to realize he is fighting a battle he cannot win, and also super intelligent enough to realize that the famous quote by Milton, quote, it is better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven, end quote, is utter baloney.
Even if he believes he is totally right and God is totally wrong, God clearly holds all the cards.
What is to be gained from continuing a fight against all odds?
This useless war would be over in seconds if he'd just get a clue and the resultant joy in the universe would know no bounds.
No one, even he, is beyond redemption, beyond repentance, beyond forgiveness.
He was allowed to do that because even in God's makeup of what he is, in his existence, in his essence, I find him to be more than just jealous now,
but susceptible to boredom, susceptible to, well, if there's nothing for me to do here, then why carry on here?
So what greater way to spice up the Cajun food, if you will, than to put a lot of pepper on the ground?
Mr. Bell, Satan doesn't want repentance.
He wants vengeance.
Vengeance.
It would be almost like, and I want to use this term loosely now because I'm such a big fan of it.
It would almost be like Eastern Michigan playing at Nebraska next Saturday morning.
There is no way, no way at all that they could go in there and win that ballgame.
But what they can do is inflict enough damage on that team or that opposition in order to effect what's coming down the road.
Satan sees this opportunity and he has seized this opportunity to damage God.
And the way he's going to do that and the way we are going to do that by running with the devil, if you will, is by causing complete chaos and damaging the foundation of what God has built.
And I would just go to another time to inflict more evil damage on another people in another time frame.
And I welcome it.
It's like an enemy, which I wanted to get to, an enemy of mine.
Art, I don't care.
I have no mercy, and I do not want mercy on myself.
I do not receive mercy because I do not have mercy.
When I have an enemy, I want that enemy to go down, and I don't care how I have to do it.
If I have to resort to licking a dog, I will.
If I have to resort attacking them, which I am going to bring up later on about soul journeying and different things, oh, you bet evil people can soul journey.
I have many times went in a state of sleep in different things and have left marks on my enemies.
And I see fulfillment in destroying them.
I don't care if it takes me 40 years and if I'm in a wheelchair, I will find them and I will see their destruction if it's the last thing I do in my own eternity.
That is a sign of a religion known as Freemasonry.
And Freemasonry, most people in Freemason pacts or Freemason lodges, which are all around the country and all over the world, would like you to believe that they're like a little group, like a little lodge, like a membership.
In reality, Freemasons have a secret pact with the devil to go out and rule over the world and to bring Satan above ground on earth to be able to rule in complete monarchy.
If you dig deep enough and overlook a lot of the red tape and a lot of the hogwash that's put in front of our faces on the TV and so on and so on, you will begin to understand that this conspiracy is very old, very, very old.
If the devil exists, as you proclaim, and I decided to invite him over by calling him a perilous pot of protrusive protoplasm immersed in dung, and he likes nothing other than to search and destroy, why will he or won't he cause or not cause havoc for me and the living?
I believe that President Clinton is doing what President Clinton should be doing at this time, sir.
Exactly.
I think that destiny lives itself out.
And I believe that Clinton and all the presidents, as far as you can go back, have done their little deeds, have done their little part in establishing what we have today and what's coming in the future.
Well, when I look at politicians, Patsy, I have concluded over the years that to get to the Senate, to get to the presidency, generally to get to high political office in this country, you almost, almost, have had to have made some sort of pact with the devil.
A lot of what we see, and we've had presidents and different people in the Senate, as you said, sir, and so on, we see a very moral background, if you will.
And I know Clinton and his problems and so on.
But I'm talking about what church, this church group or this organization that they're affiliated with or so on and so on.
A lot of times that is a screen because like I said, I myself can walk into any church, and I mean anywhere, because I have been through over damn near, excuse me, 20 different denominations of faith.
I have sat in their congregations.
I have virtually almost become active in their congregations without them even knowing who my master was.
Well, when you look at a politician, one who has achieved very high office, Patsy, he has achieved it more frequently than not through lying, stealing, defeat, and I could go on and on.
I mean, there was a time at a rally down in Louisiana that I attended one too, and it had to do with the oil companies and different representatives down there.
And, well, I would just say one thing at one time.
I had a little bit of doings under the rats, if you will, with a certain group of people that has held the governor's seat in Louisiana for quite some time.
Some people kind of outlying in that organization that I dealt with.
And I'm not going to go any further there for their own safety, if you will, and different things.
Don't be surprised if one of us doesn't creep up around a dark corner one night and just say hi and shake your hand and seem to be one of the most nicest human beings that you have ever met in the world.
And in the end, their diverse heart will conquer you.
That's just the bottom line.
See, sir, if I had to get up in front of a congregation and preach about God, I would.
If that meant, in the end, in the end of it all, upholding Satan in the end.
You know, there was a time that I so much despised the weapons to the point to where even without being an enemy, even without ever setting themselves against me, and they were laying on the ground bleeding, I would rather dump salt into their wound and actually give them blood.
But, you know, in the general makeup of it all, they're silly.
You know, at least.
I'm not here, America, to try to Satanize America.
That's not my duty.
That duty lies within your own heart and with the general makeup of the things to come, just like El Niño.
Yes, we better all stock up on food, but this El Niño is the beginning of something even more grand, more grand to take place in the next two years.
We have not seen hurricanes, and we have not seen the multitude of storms that are going to come down on North America and the world until two years from now.
Just be prepared, America.
Art is actually right.
We better buy food, and we better stock up and prepare to make it the hard way, because this is going to be some hard shifts like never seen before.
In human nature for years, you know, I can almost understand this love one another, treating one another well, saying, you know, love nature, love the tree that's in your backyard.
Yeah, we need them around.
You better believe we need them around.
But Wiccan isn't going to stop the destruction of this world.
And by human nature ourselves, we are an aggressive race of people.
One, hey, Art, I don't suppose you could open a cute, cuddly cat lover's line after your satanic guest leaves, could you?
I need to hear something that'll take away the heebie-jeebies she's giving me.
Yikes, she is scary.
I mean, really scary.
And so there's one who believes, and here's one who doesn't.
Patsy's position is laughable.
In order to be a Satanist, you first must believe in the same God that Christians do.
And that immediately shows that Patsy has no awareness of the truth of the universe.
Anything else she claims to know is so much bunk.
Patsy doesn't really have a problem with God.
She obviously has a problem with Christianity and expresses it as a total and complete rebellion against it, much as the most virulent anti-smokers are people who used to smoke.
I feel sorry for her and her waste of this life and the baggage she most likely will carry to whatever comes after this existence, but in San Diego.
There was a time in my life that as we all have a free agency and a freedom of choice, I decided at one time, Mr. Belton, excuse me, for the first time tonight, I am going to sit down.
And to ask for repentance of sin, you know, I got on my knees in front of the, what was established there in a well-structured church.
And during this process, I was asked if I was actually prepared to give my life to God, to make a, if you will, the ultimate sacrifice, basically a symbolic sacrificing of yourself in order to pick up thy cross and carry it, if you will.
I did that.
And for a time it seemed like, you know, there's something here.
As it began to evolve to the point to where I began actually talking to people about God and working with different youth and so forth and so on, I began to notice little things in my life began to be demolished.
I mean, hard.
And I asked myself, you know, I know of the devil, but this is going too far.
I found myself in a state of heavy sleep one night.
It was the strangest thing that I have ever encountered in my entire life, this state of sleep.
I awoke partially nude.
My bosom is hanging out.
I'm laying on a sand, a kind of a coal, ash-colored sand.
There was no trees.
There was nothing there.
And I remember looking over my left shoulder, and there stood an angel, a virtual angel.
And this being looked at me on all fours in that dirt, in that sand, and quickly, with a rise of a hand pointed upward, I looked up and I looked into a light, the most incredible light I have ever seen.
And a voice, a virtual thundering voice, said to me, I would never forsake anyone, but you will forsake me.
And at that point in time, and this is, I'm not trying to sound too cliche here, a bolt of lightning came out of the cloud and it hit so hard that I virtually bounced off on my floor out of the sleep state.
I hit the floor hard.
I was in a massive cold sweat.
My entire bedding was, I could wring the water out of it.
After that, I began to, I still attended church, but I began to go into a rebellious state within the church.
I one time asked the pastor of that church a few questions right in front of the entire congregation, and everybody there turned their head and they looked at me with marvel.
How could someone stand in their congregation and ask the questions that I asked?
In a lie, The reason I asked that at the time, could I explain?
The reason I asked that at the time was because of those words, past, present, and future.
And the scripture saying that we all have the basic freedom to choose, the freedom to live our lives as we see fit.
But in the end, you are going to receive either an eternal torture or an eternal fulfillment in heaven.
And I ask myself, if I'm God, which I at times do not have a problem putting myself in God's shoes, if I am God, would I have allowed this to happen this way?
No.
I would not have allowed it that way.
And to read scripture and to see people praying and all these other things, I often wonder if it's not all, from God's point of view, if God isn't the liar and the conniver and our master, Satan, is the way, the truth, and the light of the world for all to follow and to have a fulfillment on earth and in his own kingdom.
It's complicated, and like I said, I'm willing to dance any dance, period, as long as one thing happens, and that is that there is no exit from the dance floor.
I have called many times here locally preachers, and I have asked simple questions.
I had one preacher tell me right in this city of Salt Lake that my questions regarding Adam and Eve, regarding Cain, and what people on earth existed when Cain was told to leave and go into the land of Nod, whichever it was, and to there he would begin to spring forth life, but he would be marked.
Marked for who?
That he would be a criminal, if you will, wanted and different things.
Who was there?
Who was on the planet?
There had to be other life forms.
I really believe there had to be.
And God permitting incest.
The only way that the earth could be populated without the use of another life form on this planet was by incest.
And therefore, we are all descendants from the act of incest.
And later down the road, when enough people got on earth, I guess God changed his mind and all of a sudden said, incest is no good.
But it was good enough for him to populate the earth.
Okay, now where the basis is, when the devil was thrown down to earth was approximately 1914.
You know that before World War I, there was no precursor.
There was no identifying factor that would say World War I is going to start.
We know that it started over the assassination of one man.
When Babylon was crushed, there was a mention.
I've been trying to research this for you, but I haven't been able to before we got on the air.
When Babylon was crushed, basically it was foretold in a vision, a prophet to the king of Babylon at the time, that in seven years, one year equaling, or one day equaling a year, that the beginning of the end would start.
That equals to 2520.
You minus 1914 from 2520 equals 606, 607 B.C. That is the date in which Babylon was crushed.
Okay?
This is, without a doubt, the time of Satan.
And I'm on the other side.
I'm a believer in God.
I totally 100% praise Jesus' name.
And the best part of it is I'm not going to be saved.
And if they're not on the right track, the punishment that Satan's rule, when we do take our stand on this globe, and even more than you can even begin to fathom what we're doing now.
They had better be close to God because, believe you me, what's coming when that mark, and the only way you're going to be able to trade for food or survival.
I said you view her as the real McCoy, that she believes what she is saying.
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Take a look at her words, Art.
I mean, like, she has already lied a few times in terms of, you know, she comes from a long line.
She must now be referring to the fact of her reincarnated line, or her parents wouldn't have been surprised at the fact that she was drawing pentagrams.
Once again, here I am reminding everybody, and I guess I better do that, before I run out of time, there's going to be a book signing, the only one I'm ever going to do for the book called The Quickening.
It's going to be Saturday at Martin Noble at 10 a.m. in Encinitas.
Actually, at 1040 North El Camino Real in Encinitas, California.
And I'd be more than happy to sign a book for you and hope to see you there.
That'll be at 10 a.m.
We'll sign books for about 10 hours.
My advice is be there early based on what occurred in Portland.
last time i would say be there as early as possible you you All right, this should be interesting.
Harlotte, listen to this.
Dear Art, welcome back, Art.
It seems to me that Harlot has solved her guilt and identity crisis.
The belief of Satan and hell is a crock.
It is an excuse for all the wrong she has caused in this world.
But just because of the death of my son, I don't hang this, okay.
God, it's your fault.
The death of my son was meant to be.
I wake up sometimes, Mr. Bell, with a longing for my baby, for my five-year-old child that was taken away from me by my husband, who I am no longer with.
By his hands, he took the life of my child, and I will never forgive him for that.
He is no longer on this earth now, and I will never forgive him for that act.
But that did not thrust me into this satanic belief of mine.
This is something that I long for even as a child.
It was my birthright.
There was a time when me and my brother, and I never forget this, we were on a trip one time, and he was praying to God, and we were young, Mr. Bell, and I got down by him on my knees, and my big bro, you know, years older than I and so forth, and was looking at me, and I was sitting there, and I said, you know, my little prayers.
And when I got through saying it, just out of nowhere, I went, hell Satan, hell satan.
He jumped up off the floor and he looked at me like, what?
And I looked up at him and I just went, I don't know.
And I ran and called in my bed and I threw the covers up over my head out of embarrassment.
It was something I didn't even plan.
It was something that was just so, it just happened, you know, bang, right there.
He will smite us down in the end when the angel comes down from heaven with the keys in his hand.
And those keys will be the keys of the bottomless pit that that angel will open.
First, he will be cast there for a thousand years and placed there.
And then the angels will come down and loose him.
And for a thousand years, for a little season, he will be able to roam once again in order to establish the satanic rebellion on earth, greater than anyone could ever fathom right now.
And in the end, fire shall come out of the mouth of God, and it shall devour us.
Satan shall be cast and thrown into the pit where the Antichrist and the false prophet already are.
The answer is that in less than a blink of an eye, all the evil that they have done unto mankind will be thrust upon them, burning them and leaving them only the pain and hell that they have created for others.
And listen to me, that is my mission is to confuse people.
That is my mission because the more people I confuse, and if they die confused, and all of a sudden they give up their ghost and they die and they do not ask for repentance, then my mission is successful.
That's all I set out to do.
You can do your little witchcraft.
You can play your little games.
You can use all your little toys.
But the bottom line is that, hon, is that my mission is to keep you happy.
Satan keeps you happy.
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See, I know the power is not in the ritual.
You can use as many crystals and staffs as you want to.
And until the world begins to wake up to it, hey, that's just the way it is.
I prefer people who proclaim God over people who practice an evil art and not accept the Father of it.
I'd rather sit down and have a decent dinner in a casual conversation with a preacher of a holy faith than to sit down with people who practice magic but are not willing to accept the consequences nor the father, the one true father of all evil.
And magic is evil.
In any way you look at it.
Any way, hon, it is not a natural thing.
It is not a natural human trait to want to practice magic.
It's not.
You have to be willing to accept the consequences of what you're doing.
I'm not going to sit there and tell them, no more.
Why don't you stop?
You want more beer?
Hey, Patty, I'll give you more beer.
Someone's sitting out under a shade tree saying, Hey, ma'am, you got two bucks?
Here, here's five.
Go buy two quarts of beer.
Don't buy one, buy two.
Drink yourself into oblivion.
As long as you're drunk, as long as I can keep people drunk, that keeps them away from God.
As long as I can walk down the street and see a friend of mine, which will remain nameless, working at a little store, who had worked at a little store up from my street, who preferred, I tried to put a knock on him and tried to get him in.
Well, sorry, he preferred my fiancée over me.
I told him flat out, keep doing it.
Be the biggest abomination unto God that you can.
I'm all for you.
Anything, Art, anything at all, any way at all.
It doesn't matter.
Like I said, I would make a dog.
I would make a person believe that, hey, guess what?
Satan is joyful, pleasant.
There is no hell.
If that's what it takes to keep them away from God and to take them to hell, so be it.
I haven't been there yet, but I will be there soon.
One of these days, I am.
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I'm running out of here right now.
Anyways, what I was going to ask you is, so, I mean, like, we practice, like, ancient Egyptian and high magic.
And I do believe that, you know, this order tends to think that, you know, they're on a godly path and everything.
But to me, I know that, you know, because we're not supposed to, we're taught like different, in each grade you progress, you're taught different things of the different of the Western mysteries, different rituals, and so on.
And it's just like, I've done evil things to people.
I've almost killed someone before who's hurt me very badly.
And, you know, I just felt that this person deserved what they got, you know.
Well, you see, Hun, in that situation, I would have to find justification in order to death by betrayal.
Now, if they gave me that justification, then death is what they would receive.
I haven't almost, I have, through supernatural power, taken life.
And I will continue to do it if I am justified.
Now, as far as physical retaliation, it must be measured exactly what type of physical retaliation do I take out on them.
Now, if this person, say, were to have beaten you or caused a physical harm to fall upon you, well, believe you me, my sword would have went through their body and they would not exist in the physical life that we know.
But believe you me, I will say this before we go on.
I hope you remain in that faith.
Just one day, sometime, somewhere, wake up to the unholy master of hell because the Egyptian faith caused great chaos in the lives of God's people in the past.
And believe you me, hunt, you're on the right track.
Just forget the nonsense.
Open yourself up for an eternal evil that lasts forever, that you will never fulfill your entire power until you really let yourself lay into the arms of the unholy master of souls.
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Well, I don't know if I'll totally go totally in that direction.
I inflict pain on my own body, and it motivates me well.
I have many scars on my arm.
Each scar represents an act carried out against my victim.
Mr. Bell, I would rather be tormented.
I would rather burn and feel that heat to have my body have done horrible things done to it in the kingdom of hell than to step one foot or even give God a blink to enter his kingdom.
I hope that when I go before him, that when those books are opened, my greatest dream come true is when I open that Lamb's book of life that they call it, that I am not found there.
I wish not to be, and I will not be.
And you brought up a question yourself, Art, that I am very glad you were going to ask me why.
If you cannot grasp what I'm saying here, I love to stack my treasures on earth.
I love to follow my human nature in all its most animalistic ways, in its most brutal, most sexual, most the fulfillment that it gives me is almost undescribable.
I love to be able to perform the unholy acts that I perform on my own body.
I love to caress that loving and satisfying feeling of physical fulfillment.
In the Christian faith, I find that many people forego the natural human desires.
See, I am the type of person that if Dan or whoever it might be, I don't even know a Dan, down the road decided to commit adultery, I would be there with open arms seeking the fulfillment of that natural human animal element.
God approaches himself how he wishes to be approached.
What I meant and what I'm going to say is that any faith, period, I don't care what it is, that proclaims God is offset immediately themselves as my enemy.
The only thing that I can see here to differentiate, to make this different, is that if my son would have been given his father justification, so be it.
But my son did not.
unidentified
How can a five-year-old give anybody any justification?
How can a small child give anybody any justification?
If I saw a five-year-old, if my five-year-old was running around, I would snatch knife away and paddle her honey or put her in the corner, and she wouldn't have a knife.
Any five-year-old with a knife, that shouldn't be allowed.
I understand your point of view, okay, and I'm taking it, okay?
If the apocalypse, if everything was now, if right now that leaf, if you will, was turned over and everything began right now, any child born of a Christian family would be considered enemy regardless of age.
It is a fact.
If you can't live with it, maybe Agrea will stop by and take you off to Pluto.
I don't know.
unidentified
But that is a fact, honey.
Well, another question is, you believe in astral projection, right?
All I need, sir, and I tell you what, if there is any way that before you leave the air, Art Bell can get, and believe you me, I'm only upping up on this, if Mr. Bell will be so kind to do so, I will give you my phone number, you give me your phone number, we'll talk off the air, and we'll go from there.
I slept under a bridge under Modesto, not too far from, well, right basically on the river right there that runs down there where all the walnut trees are.
I think you're pretty much familiar with that area.
And I slept under a bridge down there in order to sprinkle unholy deeds around that place.
I'll tell you what I will do.
I will connect with you and I will approach my master and I will do a lot of things here.
You're going to begin to feel strange presence around you very, very soon.
Based on the simple fact that when he was born, I performed a certain ritual over him.
That basically I told Satan, and in this faith we don't ask, we tell, to beg an audience with God that this child be that of the devil, of himself, that he could use this child in a most unholy way and to do and to raise this child into this faith, you know, of course, with my help, of course.
And believe you me, I will, even at the consequences of my own death.
I would desecrate that place.
I would virtually wait to my menstrual cycle.
And when I was on my period, and I virtually would blood that place, and I would perform a most unholy dance over it.
When Jesus came, that was, in my opinion, the end of everything.
We are suffering from his presence on this planet yet today.
The church itself is nothing more than a gossip hall of money.
The church foundation, all the churches combined, could solve all hunger on this planet in one day.
They could do magnificent works on this planet, but they do not do them.
I find it hard for such a loving, compassionate belief to allow the little sufferings on this planet that they could stop.
They could put their assets together and stop them.
But no, they let it fall on the shoulders of governments, politicians, so forth and so on.
And nothing really ever gets done.
A lot of the political issues and religious issues are nothing new.
They've been argued as far back as you could find a president.
They're just argued in different ways, different techniques.
It almost comes to the point that they don't, it kind of tells you they don't really want to solve a damn thing because if they solve too many problems, there would be a lesser need of them.
The church can consider themselves fortunate that Satan is the best friend they have ever had.
They make millions of scaring people to death.
Virtually scaring people that we've got to get to the church on time or we're going to go to hell.
That's the one place where you two are going to agree, and now it's going to go downhill from there.
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But respectfully, I would like to say a few things.
First of all, I think the problem with a lot of young Christians is they feel that they look at it as a power struggle, and in a sense, it's a power struggle from good and evil.
But when you think of the word power, it naturally comes from evil.
You see the movies, you read the scriptures, you read history, and evil deeds seem to be the most powerful deeds.
Christianity, the life of living a godly life, is a more laid-back, a quiet belief, a trust in the fact that God's Word is Word.
But there are also Christian warriors, and from that stance, I think the problem with this is, and no disrespect towards her beliefs from a human being standpoint, from a Christian Satanism, of course we don't agree, and I won't even get into that.
We don't have time.
But the fact is, there are strong Christians out here.
And Patsy, just for your information, I listened to when you said you grew up when you were young, you drew the pentagram in the sandbox.
There are also stories such as mine.
The opposite is true.
When I was three years old, before I was even old enough to understand what Christ was or who Satan was, my mother walked out in the backyard and found me burying a parakeet that had died and saying a prayer over it before I had even known what was going on.
When I was seven years old, I heard my parents praying God's prayer.
After hearing it one time, from then on, I have quoted it word for word.
In the same sense, when I meet people, when I walk up on people, people tell me that there is a quiet calm to me.
I've had pastors tell me, and when I say pastors, the difference here is we agree on two things, actually.
First of all, I also agree that in an entity, the church as a central location is, how should I say this with tact, I don't agree with 90% of the so-called churches in the world today.
The reason I say that is it seems to me like as time has gone on, churches are in for more of what they can get as far as money-wise.
The word of God should be number one.
That is what a church is about.
In the scriptures, a church is when two or more get together and speak the word of Christ.
The fact of people getting together with 500s, 1,000s, 3,000s, getting all the money out, not knowing where half the money goes to, I don't believe in that.
I have visited probably hundreds of churches in my lifetime from all different denominations to find my way.
I am at ease with myself because I have a one-on-one relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ.
It's very strong, it's very subtle, but I have no doubts in my mind where I'm going.
And with that being said, to add a little humor into this, the last Christian that came on here and said something to Pat Patsy to you about he was going to say a prayer, you responded, where if the apocalypse was coming today, I would have to behead you.
Sir, I know you're still listening, which I hope you are.
I can respect slightly what you just said, but there's one thing you hit on that just made my entire night laxed.
Nothing better to a satanic person than a relaxed Christian.
The more relaxed you are, the lesser you impact the world.
The lesser you impact the world, the greater we serve our purpose, because that's the less people you effect to go to heaven, opening the door for us to come in and me, to infect their life, plant a seed in their head, and the ultimate goal, straight to hell.
If I were to go out tomorrow and commit an act of cold-blooded murder, I would go into a courtroom without, well, they would appoint a defense naturally, but I would go up in front of the judge, ma'am, and look that person right in the eye and said, end of trial.
I have done what I've done.
Now you carry out what you must carry out.
There will be no trial.
I am guilty.
I would boldly stand and say in front of a jury that I killed them.
There is nothing, no second guessing, no games, no OJ.
And Satan is, you know, and Satan is my master, and everything that I do, it's like if I curse someone, I let it be known.
Let it be recorded on this night.
Let it be written in the books that this must be recorded in, that I, Harlot, I, Patsy, have committed this evil act of magic, and I will be held accountable.
I must be held accountable.
I must receive no mercy.
In retaliation, I must be more hateful than my enemy.
I must always be more hateful, more conniving, and more evil.
The more retaliation that I bring upon myself, it increases the evil.
Hell, Satan, that's what I'm all about.
unidentified
I guess I have a question for you.
I'm pagan myself.
And what I don't, I've always viewed Satanism as a radically dissenting Christian sect because you Follow the same belief system.
It's just you work the opposite side of the street?
I'm going to have to do a lot of thinking about all I heard.
It's kind of strange.
Early in the evening, I thought I really thought that we were being put on.
As the hours wore on, it became absolutely obvious that we were not being put on.
But she believes exactly what she's saying.
In a way, I think that it did Christians a great service to hear this.
In a way, with regard to those who have not chosen, those who are in the middle, and I count myself among those, by the way, I think she's absolutely correct.
That is not to say in any way that I agree with her, but with regard to those who waffle, those who are in the middle, there is a great area of agreement between those who would call themselves devout Christians and our friend Hail Satan here.
So very provocative, indeed.
And I'm going to have to do some very serious thinking about what I've heard over these hours, as I'm sure perhaps you will as well.
And as you can see, I will continue to do this and explore all kinds and forms of talk radio and ideology that many may disagree with or be offended by.
And this night was no different.
In fact, this night was really, in many ways, a prime example of that exploration.
So there you have it.
And that actually is going to wrap up the week for me.
I want to remind my audience that I will be in Encinidas.
This is the one book signing I'm going to do for my book, The Quickening.
I find it interesting as well that all sides seem to agree on the fact of the quickening.
Both sides.
It is occurring.
Perhaps it is marking the day that all of you were talking about with Harlot.
With Patsy.
That's one of the areas that both sides seem to agree on.
We are quickening.
That's the book.
I'll be signing copies of it in the one book signing that I plan to do.
It'll be in Encined at Barnes and Noble.
Beginning at about 10 o'clock in the morning.
Barnes and Noble located at 1040 North El Camino Real.