David Adair, a "child prodigy" rocket scientist, recounts building a fusion engine at 17 with cyclotron detonators reaching 100 million°C, launched in 1971 under Congressman John Ashbrook and General Curtis LeMay’s oversight. Detained after sabotaging it, he claims the tech—seen at Groom Lake (Area 51)—was non-human, with organic fittings and hieroglyphic markings matching a UFO attorney’s testimony. NASA ignored Challenger’s fatal flaws (O-ring failures, thinned SRB walls) despite warnings, prioritizing budget cuts over crew safety. Adair’s engine, resembling "two intertwined octopuses," could manipulate gravity waves or electromagnetic fields, hinting at lost potential like the Philadelphia Experiment. His testimony suggests government suppression of advanced tech, leaving democracy vulnerable as public apathy enables secrecy—raising questions about who truly controls these capabilities. [Automatically generated summary]
Tomorrow night, tomorrow night is really going to be cool.
Check this out.
James Collier, who wrote Vote Scam, I interviewed him a long time ago when he wrote Vote Scam, has authored a new book suggesting that we never went to the moon.
We never went to the moon!
You know, Capricorn won, done on a sound stage, that sort of thing, and claims to have proof that we never went to the moon.
Well, tomorrow night, James Collier and Richard Hoagland debate whether we went to the moon.
That should be a really, really, really interesting program, no doubt about it.
So that's tomorrow night, and then the next night is a mystery guest, but it's going to be hot stuff if it happens.
You know, it's one of those things.
And then Friday night, Saturday morning, Dr. Michio Kaku, who is a theoretical physicist at the City University of New York, a professor in the field.
And then come Monday, I believe we've about got it firmed up, come Monday, James Von Trag is going to be here.
So there's some hot stuff happening out there, folks.
All right, last night I announced KNST in Tucson, Arizona joining the network.
They didn't hear it because they had, you know, typical first night jittery troubles in the first 20 minutes of the program.
So I would like to welcome, and I'm sure everybody in Tucson is glad to hear, that KNST will now carry the entire program from 10 o'clock at night to 3 in the morning Pacific, Sunday through Friday.
That's a lot of carriage.
Welcome to the network.
And I'm sure a lot of people who have been screeching bloody murder down in Tucson are happy to hear that.
So there you are.
Now, the rogue market.
This is really serious stuff.
This is really serious stuff.
The rogue market, I now appeal to everybody within arm's reach of a computer.
Want to make some money?
Even though it's not real money?
Well, there is this very cool thing called the rogue market.
It's on the internet.
And it trades in literally thousands of personalities.
Television, radio, movies, that sort of thing.
I discovered it about three weeks ago.
I discovered I was part of it.
And I went to somebody sent me a fax and said, you better go up there and look.
You're being traded.
I went, huh?
And so I went up there and looked.
And there I was with Oliver North, Dr. Loris Lessinger, Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, Don Imus, and some others.
There I was.
And my stock had just been offered.
And I was, of course, very low at that point compared to others.
Now my stock is beginning to go through the roof.
And I'm telling you all right now, buy now.
Buy hardbook.
You're not really risking any money at all.
There's no money involved.
But it is like trading in the real stock market.
It's the gardenest thing, and it's a lot of fun.
So if you go to my website and click on the rogue market, you can zoom over there, fill out their form.
If you fill out part of it, they give you $10,000 rogue market dollars to begin with.
Then if you fill out the rest of the form, you get $5,000 more.
So you start with $15,000, which you should invest in me totally.
It's all just for fun.
But I am now 10 points from catching up to Stern Howard.
And then once I pass Stern Howard, I'm going after Imus Don.
And when I pass Imus, Don, there is going to be, that'll be it.
We'll be at the top of the heap.
And here's why I'm telling you to buy now and quickly.
Because when I say something like this, everybody's going to go rushing up there and buy, and the worth of the stock is going to go up, up, up, up.
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So, whatever else you do tonight, if you can lay your hands on a computer, I'm telling you, go up to my website, click on the rogue market, get involved.
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And it is a blast.
You can go back every day and check.
There are statistics, you can see highs and lows for the day.
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So please, oh, please, go up there.
Buy Art Bell stock until it hurts.
So there is that.
There is also on my website, and it is going to be particularly relevant tonight, a photograph of Area 51.
It's the best damn photograph of Area 51 I've ever seen.
Maybe too good.
I'm waiting for the men in black.
You should see it while it's there.
We're going to be talking with David Adair about Area 51 along with a lot of other things, so it is relevant.
Take really a cool shot.
I don't know who and how they got this shot of Area 51, but it's an awful lot of stuff for a place that doesn't exist.
And there are a couple of very interesting things in the photograph.
See if you can find them.
I'm getting a ton of email about it.
So let's see.
I've told you about KNST in Tucson.
I've told you about Rogue Market.
Buy, buy, buy, and what's coming up in the next few days.
The only other thing I want to do is alert you.
I want to say this again.
If I can.
If I can find it.
I'm going to be in Alaska, and I've got a schedule of roughly when I'm going to be where.
In Juneau, Alaska, Tuesday, August 26th, till midnight, from like afternoon to midnight or something.
In Skagway, Alaska, Wednesday, August 27th, till about 7 at night.
In Seward, Alaska, by 9 a.m. in the morning, August 30th.
And then by about 12.30 in the afternoon, I will be in Anchorage near my old alma mater, K-E-N-I, and I'll spend the night in Anchorage.
They'll stay in Anchorage overnight.
So there you have it.
Let's see.
This is such a cool, cool photograph, Area 51.
We're going to be asking David Adair, I guarantee you, in a few moments about Area 51.
and i'll tell you more about david aries cool guy David Adair's new book, America's Fall from Space, not Grace, maybe both, tells the story of the U.S. space program through the eyes of a child prodigy, turned rocket scientist.
My kind of guy.
He is an internationally recognized leader and expert in space technology, consulting the world's top corporations.
He crossed swords with NASA as he learned of the corruption and technical problems faced by the Challenger shuttle prior to launch.
David will share just where the current space technology really is at, as opposed to what we see, as well as the testimony he gave under oath on April 9th, 1997 to the U.S. Congress on, check it out folks, extraterrestrial intelligence, recovered extraterrestrial hardware, reverse engineering of downed ET spacecraft.
He has first-hand experience of top secret underground Air Force bases like Area 51.
He has, where he had hands-on experience with the technology from a recovered UFO.
He claims that reverse engineering, the investigation into what makes down UFOs work, has been responsible for inventions such as fax machines, modems, cellular telephones, laptop computers.
David says, quote, you're not going to believe what's going to happen in the next 10 years.
Now, that's a much, much better introduction than he sent me of himself.
If you break off those little ends with the blue-tip, and you break off millions of them, and you put it into the body of a rocket, you get rocket fuel.
What you also get, though, is an opportunity to blow yourself to Kingdom Come because I didn't realize, you see, as you compact them down, they rub against each other and they generally tend to ignite, ruining great portions of my mother's floor.
So I've worked in shops, and a shop of that nature is extremely close related to a shop that builds rockets.
Even you have all the machine tools, the presses, the lates, you have dynamers, you have all the instrumentations, calorimeters, everything you need to.
So those shops are built for speed.
And even the fuels are the same.
For the drag racers, they would have methane, nitro, liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen.
And by the time I was 12, I could overhaul a 426 Cranks for Hemi by myself in about three and a half hours.
That's pretty fast.
I got really good at that.
And then during the night, the basement bummer was turned loose there.
And there was everything I needed, all the machinery, the tools, everything.
So I started putting rockets together.
And the first one I built was a liquid fuel drive type engine, where I'd used liquid hydrogen and kerosene, which is very similar to the Saturn V fuels in the moon day.
So anyway, the rocket left out of the backyard, and it left at about 3,500 miles an hour.
And the way we could clock that was I built a calorimetry device where I could get altitude and altimeter.
So by being 500 feet away from the pad, that cosine of the tangent of one on the trigonometry table, I could multiply the altitude with a little protractor.
You ever see a protractor that, you know, okay, you glue that to a board and then screw a little stick through there that has little eyelets, and you look through the eyelets like rifle sights, and you track the rocket and look at where it stops at the apogee curve, and it would tell you how fast it got towards the road.
Right, well, yeah, you backtrack, you find out the you get the degree off of the protractor, then go to the tangent book and the trigonometry table, and backtrack that, use a stopwatch, and get that out to a certain time, and that's how I could tell how fast it's going.
So I drove about 80,000 feet on the first flight, which is a little bit high.
Well, yeah, but at least had enough foresight to call Port Columbus.
I was in Ohio at that time, and I could get the flight times, and I knew exactly by the charts that they give you out at FAA flight stations where all the commercial airliners were, and I could time it where I could launch something like that and not poke a hole in one of the wings, which they'd get really upset about that, I would think.
It finally slowed down, and they had parachute recovery, so when it came in, the thermal couples would detect the heat, cool down, and then I'd time the delay charge to blow the parachutes out, and it just drifts right down.
Well, as a matter of fact, my dad moved me out of the basement the very next day, and we overhauled a big garage that was about 1,000 yards from the house.
And he told my mother, well, if anything goes bad, he won't launch and blow the house up and take us with it.
See, the way you're packing those little match heads, you're packing sulfur, nitrate, and carb, and with the sulfur, it's a very uneven burn on the BTUs.
So what happens is, instead of a slow, steady burn like a solid rocket engine would do, you're getting a rapid burn in a tight area, and what you have is a hand grenade.
Well, I tell you what, Art, that's seeing you were destined to do something like that, and you learned from it, and I guess divine intervention came down and said, protected yourself from yourself.
Another little transfer that happened in the, it started way back in the 60s with the Mercury astronauts.
You know, you had an astronaut out there in orbit, and the doctors want to know, I hope he's doing okay up there, so they decided to do something about that, and they hooked sensors to their bodies, and then the sensors would pick up the blood pressure, the pulse rate, respiratory function, all the vital signs, and we lay it back to ground by telemetry.
Well, in technology transfer, we'd walk in, look at that, and go, hey, you know what we can do?
So now you've had a head-on collision in your local town there, your neighbors or family members are dying from the impact.
The paramedics come rushing up, they open up this little suitcase, they hook these leads to the person.
The information is sent to a local hospital.
A doctor looks after their blood pressure, the pulse rate, respiratory function, all the vital signs.
Tell the paramedic how to stabilize that person, get them to a trauma center, and that's where that suitcase came from.
Well, you know, it's funny, I could use that because a lot of times people call up and we have debates about whether the space program is worth anything at all.
Well, the cellular technology that you're enjoying today, which affects your pagers, your beepers, even your PowerBooks, all of that was originally stamped out from the Space Program, and we were moving through the microcircuitry systems because we had to reduce these huge computer systems.
And then we did a sudden jump in a lot of the technology, which Space Program was the first to pick it up in our applications, and then we redesigned it.
But when we picked it up, it's where we got it from.
And then when we jumped from the transistor to the microcircuitry board, that was such a quantum leap.
And what's interesting, if you try to backtrack some of this technology, like run through the bibliography of abstracts of NASA's files, you run into the original source and it'll stamp on there unknown.
What do you mean unknown?
You know, here's the stuff in the field.
Don't worry about it.
Use it.
And I'm going, oh, wait a minute, guys.
And so a lot of this stuff just really just developed and dropped right out of the sky, literally.
Literally.
And we've infused it in our technology.
Have you ever looked at the technological rate at which we're moving this in an exponential level?
Oh, I know.
Well, there's a reason for it.
And the reason it's doing that is that we get this technology, let's say it's from a really advanced design assumption, we've got to reverse the engineering on it.
Fine, you've got all this fantastic technology, no infrastructure to support it.
An example would be, I'll give you a Ferrari, but I'll put you back in 1865.
Well, if you don't have any fuel and there's no gas stations, what good is that car to you?
Well, you could tie a horse to it and have it pull it around.
The error you just talked about, though, is getting marginal in a lot of places, and if there was a logical artificial intelligence, and I've had this conversation with other people, it might logically, eventually, as a matter of fact, I talked to Charles Ostman, who believes there will be AI first, probably, in effect, born on the Internet.
I think it's going to originate out of either the big academia labs like Georgia Tech, where I live, where they're working on the computers for the Star Wars systems.
They have to have AI in order to pull the Star Wars systems together to get all the target acquisitions things done.
It'll come out of some place like that, and it will be a remarkable thing when it does, because once they become self-aware, they can build themselves, and you'll see computers jumping to 30, 40 gigahertz speed.
But I would imagine that something that has intelligence, self-awareness, and would be aware of its surroundings and human beings, what's going on with our ecology and our air and our industrialization and all the rest of it might decide there are too many people and not enough resources and come to conclusions.
And then if it had the power to change things, it probably would try to change things.
Well, that's an assumption we could make at this point.
I believe what's going to happen, they'll become a sub-class people in our race where we have Japanese, Chinese, blacks, Hispanics, AIs, and they'll just become grouped right in there with the rest of us.
And I think they'll have more of a tendency to try to figure out what's going on and figure out the problems.
And they probably could ask some really potent questions that would be very difficult to answer.
For instance, why do we spend 75% of our resources in military systems designed to blow ourselves into oblivion?
And so it would ask the question, and eventually, if an artificial intelligence got control of the web, it literally would have access to and control of all that machinery.
And what's happening is you're interjecting your emotions in there and you're making conclusions and jumping to an assumption, which we haven't been able to prove on either side, that these machines will be hostile or malevolent.
I think they're going to be just the opposite.
I'm on a positive side of the technology wave.
I'm just not going to believe things are going to be, instead of a Terminator machine coming at you, it's going to be more of a type of machine that can solve a lot of our problems.
And it's going to be more probably caring.
Because the logic will dictate.
And pure logic, you just don't kill for the fun of it like we do.
I was there on the pad when Challenger was being launched and I was in the area because I was busy working on some programs of my own called GAS Getaway Specials.
Yeah, that's produced out by the Technology Transfer Division of NASA.
That's where you can rent this thing that looks like a 55-gallon drum for $3,000, $7,000, or $10,000 if you take the whole drum.
You have it bolted on the inside wall of the cargo bay of the shuttle, and you can run microgravity experiments.
And it's available to anybody, private citizens, academia, corporations, whoever.
And they already flown 1,500 gas canisters already.
If you could have a chicken to grow up the size of Jeremy Shepherd, maybe have four legs, and you wonder how it tastes, you'll never know because you can't catch it.
However, on the more serious corporate side, I told him, I said, okay, the chicken could be normal, could be deformed, or we can have a positive DNA change with a good chicken.
Or, if nothing else, when you come back home, it's the first high-level multi-organism went full-term in space.
And when you come back here, you'll get a billion dollars worth of free publicity to the news, and you'll blow Ronald McDonnell out of his chicken McNugget.
But, well, they signed before we could even get out the door.
And unfortunately, that project was on Challenger.
It goes on back, at least to the part where I was aware of it.
It's in my book.
They knew about the O-rings failing at least nine months before.
They had brought the SRBs in, some of the rocket boosters, and they already had burn marks laterally down their sides, and they were already burning through.
And they just kept pushing the roulette wheel, and they came up with a black number.
But anyhow, they got all of them limb when they said they could compete.
We in the private sector and the commercial side of the space program, we are going, they're crazy.
They can't possibly do this.
The bloated bureaucracy system will drive the cost up too much.
They're all constantly cutting back because of budget restraints.
They don't have the infrastructure to even compete on the commercial market.
But nevertheless, they said they could.
So what happened was they started selling the cargo bay out to general space, commercial space.
So here's a scenario of how it works.
Let's say you're Ted Turner, and you just called me, the director of the space program, and you have crawled up my pants.
You are so upset because we're already almost a year behind our flight schedule.
Well, guess what?
You just paid for a $500 million satellite sitting in a hangar going nowhere.
And that's bad enough for you, but it's worse.
You're losing millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars a week due to lost subscriptions, due to loss pay-for-view channels, due to the commercials.
You're just furious, and you tell me, get that thing up in the air.
You probably did, because I told you earlier, nine months earlier, I took photos of the Dago SRBs coming into Cape Canaveral, Port Canaveral being pulled in by the tugs, and they've got splits on their sides.
And I knew right then, we're in serious trouble.
Well, on the morning of the launch, which was January 28th, 1986, it was outrageous.
It was 28 degrees ambient temp, wind chill 7 on the pad.
You've got ice hanging on this thing 15 stories high.
It looked like Dr. Chivago Ice Palace.
I'm going, God's name, you're not going to launch this thing.
And so I walked over and talked to some of the tech people.
I'm going, you guys can't be launching this thing.
Look at that thing out there.
I said, it says in the manuals of Morton Thaicall, you can't launch a solid rocket booster below 53 degrees Fahrenheit.
The O-rings will harden up.
You ever jump on an old car seat in the early 50s and the vinyl would break?
Well, see, he really pointed out the face on Mars.
He pointed out Sidonia region, and I'm telling you, that was serious, and he really had them on the run.
But when he kept going with his series, all they had to do was the Senate committee goes, look what else he's saying, you know, the ancient civilizations, all that stuff.
And, you know, right now in the 3D world, we haven't even proved this micro-life up there.
I mean, it reads here that you testified in front of Congress April 9th, 1997 on extraterrestrial intelligence, recovered extraterrestrial hardware and reverse engineering of downed ET aircraft.
I started working on this design, and as the years went on, I was about 15 years old, when I come to the end of my math capabilities, I just could not extend the algorithms of this thing, which would map out a containment field.
And you've got to understand, this is 1969.
There's no laptops, there's no CDs, no hard disks, no CD-ROMs drives.
There's no cellular phones, no faxes, no beepers.
All I've got is a chalkboard, pencil and paper, and a slide ruler.
Handheld calculators didn't come out until about eight, nine years later, but essentially.
And three weeks later, I'm taken to Ohio State there on my summer vacation to see some people.
And my saint teacher takes me there.
Morris Martin takes me there.
And we get there and we go in a room.
First thing I see is all my maps scattered all over the drawing boards and I kind of get a little upset about that.
I'm messing with my work and I hear this little voice yell, Your work indeed I go, Yeah And I take a close look and I went, oh somebody else's work I went besides you can change that down on the lower end of the board there and this little guy stands up with a cane he goes indeed and uh he said yo I said sure watch this so this is how you can validate this theorem so I do this this this and write this down and he goes how do you validate it and I said rocket it so
So he went, "Holy smokes!" He said, "Have a seat." And that was Stephen Hawkins.
And he had come to Ohio State for a couple of reasons.
He worked with a place called Battelle Memorial.
It's a big think tank up there.
And I think this was 1969, just the beginning of it, or no, summer of'69.
And we sat there and we talked for a while.
So for about two days while he was doing some work with Battelle, I spent time with him.
But anyway, the only thing we could come up with after we got through and he was stuck in the same area I was, we'd both come to the end of our rope and the algorithms.
Because we needed very powerful, fast computers.
And we had nothing available at the time.
So we could only sustain the field maybe for five seconds.
But let me tell you, five seconds is a lifetime in a rocket engine.
And we're going to be talking about the other space program as well from the high desert near Dreamland.
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1-800-618-8255 East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033 1-800-825-5033 This is the CBC Radio Network Good morning from the high desert My guest is David Adair He's a rocket scientist He'll be back in a moment Listen
Many, many months, maybe a year ago I began to talk to you about the changing weather I just got a fax from Keith Who's faxed me for a long time Who writes the following Hey Art The local ABC Channel 10 here Just had the quote And I'm quoting Doomsday winter forecast for California This was not your normal story It was
big, bad, and scary See on the ark Keith There is an El Nino building now That is beginning to bring forecasts Of winters And rain For example In my area of the southwest Always my area, right?
300% more than normal If that happens Keith's right Time to start the concrete boats again Oh well Was fun while it lasted, huh folks?
Okay, back now to David Adair By the way, David On this photograph of Area 51 That I'm probably going to go to jail for There are three
main, it looks like, hangers Two and then one kind of offset That are back from the one in the center Right The one in the center would appear to be And I'm only guessing A little larger than the other two It is That's the one you're referring to, right?
Right All right, all right So anyway, we'll take it from where we were Okay There you are with the calculations You're talking about this new rocket motor Right And how do you get from there to Area 51?
Okay Before I continue I was going to say You just said something about losing weight I don't know if you really want to do that, Art Because I see mass floats better In water with 300% increase in rain coming your way You might want us to consider that Well, actually, I was smart enough to build In a pretty good place All the water runs downhill from here But I know a whole bunch of people down below me Yeah They should be building quickly I think they should pay attention to you You seem to have a handle on some things
Well, this is no joke You know, this changing climate This El Nino The temperatures in the Pacific Even all the way up through the Bering Sea Right Scary stuff, David It's going to get worse Yeah But it's Well, we'll get off-tangent I better go back Yeah, let's try I want to find out how you got to Area 51 Okay, so with Hawking's help there Now I've got somewhat of a field stabilization
for five seconds let me explain to you what a fusion containment engine can do and why I wanted to go that route there's only sees Hawking was working on black hole theorems and so his math and mine were like parallel they were kind of like a road going down the road where We're two separate lanes, but we're heading in the same direction.
But we have different functions.
He was trying to get all the theorems necessary to regulate singularities in the event horizon of a black hole.
I'll try to make it more simple, but he was trying to prove how the black holes function.
I was just wanting to replicate a black hole-type field because, see, when a black hole is in space, there's only one thing we know that can swallow the sun, it's gone, we never see it again.
So therefore, if you want to contain the field that could contain a hydrogen fusion detonation, what is it going to be?
A black hole.
So I was just trying to get a shell containment so I could contain this thing.
I did it through a tutorial compressor-type cone shape in the mass waveform, and that gave me exactly what I was looking for in a containment field.
His mass really helped me establish the waveform guides, which was necessary for that field's establishment.
So anyhow, that was done, so I started ordering parts, and it wasn't long before I had done tapped out my resources for pulling in all the necessary materials.
So a local congressman of the area, my local congressman in Ohio at that time was a man named John Ashbrook.
So, okay, so there's the facility, and the technical expertise was pouring through my little head, and the machine expertise was coming through dad and some other friends, and the funding came from the congressman, and the authorization clearance came from the congressman in LeMay and the airports, which primarily really did get involved in this thing pretty heavy.
So we ended up going to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, and there they loaded the rocket and me on a C-141 starlifter, and off we went to White Sands, New Mexico.
We get there, and another person that was a significant player in all this was Warner Von Braun.
And he was helpful because he would send a lot of technical data.
I got a lot with the funding I got, I could buy off-the-shelf stuff, which was really nice, state-of-the-art at the time.
I could get the altimeters, I could get the generators, thrust vanes, I could go on just all the stuff that goes inside a rocket.
But the difference in this thing was the cyclotron detonator area, which was basically the heart of this engine.
And so he supplied the logistic reports, which I'm sure he was doing that to cover his butt, because he would have to show this eventually, I guess, in some kind of physical report.
But I just stayed focused on the engine and the designs and everything.
They think, yeah, you know, just naive kid here, and I'm just going along with it.
I may be 17, but I'm about 45 years old inside.
So I'm picking up all these adult engine windows that they're just passing right by me in front of me to one another.
I thought, okay, I'll just be dumb.
So anyhow, when he asks, can I see you inside your rocket?
I said, sure.
So he's on one side of the rocket, I'm on the other.
I slide open the panels.
And he looks down at the engine.
When he's looking down, I lean over right in his ear and I go, in proportional size, it has 10,000 times the power of your F-1 Saturn V engines, Dr. Rudolph.
Man, he straightens up real fast.
He looks white.
And then he gets real angry.
And he asks, who am I?
I said, I'm just a kid that builds rockets in Ohio and I'll launch them in a Calfield, you know.
So I never really talked to him.
The Air Force people went ahead and we started prepping the thing for launch.
So the rocket takes its place on a pad about 12 miles away.
If you look at it, they use that same kind of system on a fusion magnetic containment compressor for a nuclear reactor.
That tutorial system compressor works inside the Soviet Union's Tamaka reactor, a breeder reactor.
And that's, yeah, well, anyway, we could take Alex and explain it to you, but I can extend the field in a certain direction in a cone shape so it goes right out through the Pacific impulse area.
And however, when I did finally catch up with my rocket, the fins, at the very outer part, they were just gone.
They vaporized in the heat.
I'm sure.
It left out of there.
But before it left, Rudolph insisted that I would change the trajectory coordinates on this thing so it came down 656 miles northwest of us, about 120 miles north of Las Vegas in an area called Groom Lake.
And that's the only name I ever heard.
I never heard of anything here in 51, but they always called it Groom Lake back then.
It went down, and I was looking at the worm screws.
They're huge.
They must be about in diameter.
They've got to be the size of a semi in diameter.
And they're giant.
There's 12 of them.
And they're lowering this floor down.
And we're going down rather quickly.
And the floor must weigh hundreds of tons.
And the worm screws can carry tremendous loads.
Whatever they roll out on this thing is pretty heavy.
So we go down, I guess, about 200 feet.
And so we get down, and boy, the floor flushes out.
And there's this hangar bay down there.
It is so huge.
It's like a rainbow roof design.
But the walls kind of, they don't really curve.
They taper at an oblique angle.
And all the labs and the shops and the work bays are built into the mountain underneath, so the center bays are open and they're not obstructed by anything.
Whoever did that movie, they got somebody to come out to talk because some of that stuff was correct right down to the door handles, the way it looked.
But the lighting, they kind of missed the light.
The lighting was really neat.
This was in kind of an iridescent, indirect lighting.
I really couldn't see where the light sources were, except it was just like panels throughout the entire roof system.
But we went down this huge bay.
It just stretched, looked like forever.
And you could park three or four, well, you could park about half a dozen 747s down there and not be in the way of anything.
I mean, this thing's just huge.
And we were in a golf cart, and once we got flushed out with the floor, we took off and we went down to there.
And we were just going down through the hangar area.
And all the workshop bays doors were closed when I was going through there.
So I really didn't see anything other than a couple interesting aircraft.
And I was kind of definitely impressed and kind of disappointed.
I thought I had an edge on this engine, but obviously I didn't.
And they pulled it all back and they asked me to take a look at it.
And I went, God, this is fantastic.
Look at the size of this thing.
So they said, yeah, we've got some problems with it.
We want to know if you could give us some clues on some things.
And I started thinking, well, you know, is this your engine?
They go, oh, yeah, our people have been working on it, but the people working on it are somewhere else right now, and we'd just like to have your input.
And I'm going, something's wrong with this picture.
I'm like, okay.
So I asked him, I said, you know, we're getting ready to launch Apollo 14 at this time.
This is June 20th, 1971.
And I go, why is the Cape using liquid fuel engine when you guys got this thing?
And they said, well, we've still got some problems with it.
And they said, you do want to help your country, don't you?
So they said, fine, why don't you take a look at this thing?
And I walked away, you know, yeah, you lying.
So I get to the engine, and the first thing I notice that's really strange is there's a shadow in the engine.
There's no shadows on the floors anywhere.
So how can we get a shadow on the engine?
And it's a silhouette of me.
So I back away from it.
It dissipates.
I get up closer and it gets very defined.
I thought, well, that's interesting.
So I reach out and I told the guy, I said, well, I need to crawl up on this thing and take a look at it.
He said, fine, but be careful.
So anyway, I put my hands on this thing, and there's these outer panels, which I guess they're like cooling baffles, is the configuration of the thing is different.
Let me try and explain it.
If my engine is the old rear-driven engine car from Detroit, that's a power plant, and you see where the powertrain is.
The new cars are side-driven, and the powertrain flow is different.
Both are engines, but the powertrain flows are different.
That was our differences in our engines.
Their power flow was completely different the way they rounded the plasma drives.
So anyway, when I put my hand on these panels, which were almost translucent, the minute my hands went against the metal, you could see through these panels somewhat, you could see this real neat energy-type swirls coming off wherever my skin was touching it, going out through the metal.
So I pulled my hands back and I go, it stopped.
And I put my hands back on it, and you see the swirls again.
Because now they have my rocket and me on that base.
And it's not good for the camper right now because I'm crawled up on top of this thing and I see what the problem is.
Once I get up on top, the engine start walking down it, which I mean, it's a rush.
I mean, you build something that's almost like it, but it's only the size of a football.
Now you're walking on the same design.
Yeah, Jess, I mean, you just had to be there to appreciate this.
But right in the center.
See, our power flows run like an infinity circle.
We build the power flows in an infinity design.
That's how I can get a gravitron field to stabilize and then hold the containment field.
Right where the figure eight crosses each other in the center, a good description, somebody once said it's like the eye of the hurricane, and it is.
That's where the main core drives are, and this thing had a core breach.
It dropped its field, and the alloy of this engine is now exposed to 100 million degrees centigrade.
It vaporizes everything.
The blast is going outward, but the fail-safe system of this design is when that thing field goes down, it shuts its own power off in a nanosecond, in a billionth of a second.
So imagine an explosion starting, but it implodes on itself to snuff itself out.
I was getting down off the engine, and this time when I put my hands on the panel, I'm really angry with the situation because I just realized a lot of things at one whack is that here's a technology that is so advanced and it's being kept secret.
Nobody has that right to lock this kind of knowledge up from everybody.
You know, it really was, love the country and the people.
Boy, I'm not happy with the government at this moment.
So getting down off the engine, I'm really upset.
And when I put my hands back in the same area where the nice little swirls were, now they look like a hurricane or a tornado ripping through the alloy.
And I just realized, oh, God, this thing is a symbiotic engine.
And I was like, my Lord, I knew right there.
This is not ours.
And so what the firing order is on it, the way it works, when a pilot straps into this thing or a crew member, or even if there is a crew member, this thing could be an ascentient entity of its own.
A pilot or crew would strap in, and their mental waves would blend with this engine, and that is the firing circuit.
That's why they couldn't find any firing circuits on a thing.
I said, well, let me enlighten you boys about something.
I said, let me bring you up the current events.
Princeton University, you ever heard of them?
They've got a department there being built with a guy named Dr. Bob John.
And he's got a contract from McDonnell Douglas.
You ever heard of those people?
Well, guess what they're doing?
They're building a symbiotic screening system to do the opposite, to keep the pilot thoughts out of the F-22 fighter, our most advanced fighter on the line right now.
Let me explain what all that means.
A pilot comes home, catches his wife in bed with somebody else, and he's having a really bad day, okay?
He's got to get up in the morning and go fly this fighter.
So he gets in the fighter, he straps in.
This thing is so sensitive, a state-of-the-art firing acquisition controls and navigation and black boxes.
It can actually sense what he's feeling.
You now engage an enemy for us.
It's something coming at us.
You go into a 1,600-mile-an-hour dogfight.
If you hesitate on locking controls, one half second will determine whether you live or die.
And he's having a bad day.
He's thinking about what he just saw, you know, when he came home.
The controls sense that.
They stutter for a second, and he dies.
They are building a system to prevent that.
Wonder where they got the idea, y'all.
So symbiotic systems are a way that that's the way we want to go in flight aerodynamics and technology because it's the ultimate systems.
Also, it'd be for anything, any computers, your car.
Of course.
It could be applied to so many things.
But here I am standing June 20th, 1971, and I'm looking at this thing.
And I'm going, God, it's a symbiotic engine.
So they throw me in the golf cart and we leave.
They lock up the doors and we're going up the elevator.
And things go from bad to worse at this moment because I hear him talking.
They're all upset.
They go, well, he's not helping us right now.
He sounds like he's not the player.
They think I'm not listening.
And I'm thinking about what I just saw.
But I hear them say a term.
It's the first time I ever heard it.
And it was years, years later before the public heard it.
It's called, We Need First Strike.
You know, what's happening at that moment with America?
We just bombed the daylights out of Cambodia.
They're not even warranting with us.
We're up to our eyeballs in war with Vietnam.
General Westmoreland's just asked for surgical nuclear strikes, okay, because he's getting his butt kicked all over the battlefield.
So if he does that, the Soviet Union has been supplying weapons into Cambodia and we just bombed it.
That's got them upset.
They said that if Westmoreland fires one nuclear weapon, they will go full global counter thermal nuclear war on the planet.
Believe me, the Kremlin at that moment was not bluffing, and neither was our people in the Pentagon.
The only reason they didn't go at each other is because of the MAD program, MAD, mutual assured destruction.
Well, the only way to win MAD is whoever gets first strike.
You take this rocket engine of mine, load warheads on it, put it in a submarine, park it off Siberia, and the only thing the Soviets will see is white flashes, not even a blip on the screen.
They can't retaliate, they're gone.
So you'll take out the key military bases and occupation centers, and you've done killed about a half a billion people in one day.
You'll also have to go over and kill somebody else the same day, China.
So I'm sitting there going, about two billion would die in this conflict if they go for a strike.
So I put some graphite grease in the palm of my hand.
They take me down to see my rocket.
I get down there to see the rocket.
I slide open the doors.
I tell the guys, let me check this thing for a fuel leak.
So I was checking it, and what I actually did, I reached in, I put my hand smeared across the particle accelerator chambers and closed the door and set the particle accelerators into engagement.
Ask any physicists, what happens when deuterium meets graphite?
Horrendous chain reaction implosions will take place.
So I got 60 seconds before engagement as the accelerators, and I just run over to the guards.
This fuel leak is going to explode.
We've got to run for it.
We get in the golf cart.
We're taking off.
And they go, how far do we need to get away?
I said, I don't know.
And I really didn't.
Well, we get about a quarter mile away, and it goes off, and it blows a hole about the size of a football field.
And there's nothing left.
And this one was gone.
So that's so frustrating because, you know, this engine has a lot more art than just being a rocket engine.
Let me explain what this thing is doing.
It's not designed to be launched from Earth to space.
It's designed to be launched from Earth orbit into space because it's a principle that we use in Newtonian laws.
For every action, there's an opposite equal reaction in space.
Absolutely.
All right, so the matter of a fusion reaction is coming off this same specific impulse, its orphan.
It's how fast is the matter moving in a hydrogen reaction?
186,756.54 miles per second called speed of light.
In just a couple minutes, that shift will equal the velocity of the exiting thrust, which means we have light speed capability.
June 20th, 1971.
So pistoling is gone, and we get back up to the hangar.
Rudolph asks, what happened?
The guard said, well, he said it was a fuel leak.
Well, Rudolph just walked, showed you how sharp he is.
He walks over and looks at me.
He's looking at me real close.
And he grabs my hand and looks at it and sees grease.
He knows.
And I'm like, oh.
Rudolph looks at me right in the eyes, those cold blue eyes, and he goes, you will be here for the rest of your natural life.
The Mossad put him away where he rotted and died over there because that man killed 100,000 Czechoslovakian Jews while they were building the V-2s metalburgs.
He's the former head of SAC Strategic Air Command.
That's right.
And so from Wright-Patterson, it has jurisdiction over Groom Lake.
And he put everybody in their positions before he left.
So he may be a civilian at that moment, but it's still a four-star general that's really pissed off at this moment.
So he's coming in there, ranting and raving, and he's just pushing colonels physically out of the way, get out of the way.
And so he puts me on his jet, and we go home.
Once we get back to Wright Paris, he drives me with the driver all the way back to my house in Mount Vernon, Ohio, where his parents are and my parents.
And he told me, boy, if you want to have any normal life, you have got to not build another rocket.
Well, one of the senators came up to me and says, in the name of God, which one of these things do we tackle first?
Let's see.
You're staying on top of an alien engine inside an airport base that doesn't exist with a twin engine that you've built that matches the alien craft engine.
I went, yeah, it's three different ones.
Which one do you want to pick and work on first, pal?
You know, I personally don't care whether people believe me or not.
I lived it.
I know it.
And there's a paper trail that satisfied Congress, and here I am.
It was a calculated risk on my part because they had me hanging in the wind because they could easily say we can't prove any of this or if they didn't want to or didn't check it out clear enough, you know, come up with a dozen reasons why, and I would be indicted now.
We always are so quick to assume that it's just evil and they plot and they conspire.
You know, they're human beings, they make mistakes, and they're trying to deal with a very difficult problem and a PR nightmare, and they're trying to figure a way to get out of this thing.
And the walls are still closing in.
And it's like I asked one congressman, I said, you know, I've never seen Congress and the Senator so anxious about this.
You're squirming like worms out there when I'm telling you the story.
I got a feeling somebody's coming to dinner.
It's not Sidney Fortier, right?
I said, are you guys looking for a welcome wagon hostess?
You know, I think there's something happening.
They're being pressed by something, and they've got bigger fish to fry than me.
Hold on, and we'll let the audience ask questions.
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Independence Day Times, too.
We'll be right back.
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Listening to David Adair right now, Art, I'm aware of at least, we cover a lot of ground here.
I'm aware of at least one public patent covering the Mobius Strip Plasma Core Containment concept.
It also utilizes a mirror field generated by induction from the spinning plasma in the core.
Also, David, the lighting was probably a high-frequency one, much like the plasma globes sold in stores.
The Tesla radiated field can induce nitrogen to ionize levels, which would give light from all angles, ergo no shadows, until you get too close to an object.
That's why your hand made patterns on the engine's surface.
It was an HF field, I am sure.
Even if it was a symbiotic engine.
Regards, Span, in Perth, Australia.
So Span is verifying, as indeed possible a lot of this.
And David, it's a split mix on the taxes I'm getting.
Some people think you're totally flipped out.
Well, other people think you're absolutely genuine, particularly Stan Dale down in Australia, just taxed me, and he is convinced that what you're saying sounds just about right.
David, when I was 17 and 18, I won two major awards, one from the Navy, Navy Science Cruiser Award in 68 at Regional Science Fair for a containment of fusion using, instead of just the magnetic bottles that were around at the time, using shockwaves.
I know how interested the military was, because that's what gave me my award.
The Navy.
Vietnam.
It's going on.
April 1968.
Here, I'm all over all the major newspapers from Chicago to Gary, Indiana, with a naval officer awarding the biggest award I could win in a Cadillac Regional Science Center.
I'm way ahead of them.
They don't know what I'm talking about.
They know they can get electricity, power, from this.
But I also knew at the very time that the Soviets had used my same spherical device to detonate a clean thermonuclear explosion.
And I've never ever had an incident with the military or the government or anything after that.
It's like, sometimes it's like a dream.
You just store it away and forget about it.
One thing that is parallel with you and I. The Air Force in 1971 gave me the most outstanding field of engineering sciences from the Air Force, and I won that in 1971.
And you can check that out.
That's interesting.
You and I kind of run the same parallel in those areas in the science fairs.
And I went to the national and international arena with that rocket.
I'm actually from near the Fidgetman, and I can really identify with that guy.
But I wanted to talk with your guest, David, about a real specific part of artificial intelligence and AI that he talked about.
He said something that led me to believe that he recognizes an existing artificial intelligence.
Now, personally, I've always thought AI is about 20 years away.
And I've talked to some people at UC Santa Cruz who are kind of on the leading edge of this.
But if you can give some examples of where AI is really used today, I've read a lot of science fiction about it, and I'd like to see where it is today.
Well, Robert Turing was one of the pioneers in the AI field.
A guy named Marvin Minsky has written about him quite extensively.
But Robert Turing, back in the 60s, proposed the kind of like the quintessential question about whether AI exists or not.
And the question is, if a human being was talking to a microphone and there was a computer or a human behind that microphone, when you get to the point where the human being can't tell the difference between the computer and the human, that's when you really have AI.
And I've also, from a corporate standpoint, delved into it a bit.
There's a guy at UC Santa Cruz that has written the test program.
It's not anything on the level of the IBM thing this year.
But this guy wrote this test program, and he's pretty good about beating computers in tests, but the computer is the AI that decides how to play the test game.
I'm more curious on a philosophical level, I guess.
It's really not my area.
I'm just curious.
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Well, the Turing question, that really is the essential question of artificial intelligence.
And the Turing question, you know, as I said before, it says when you can create a computer-based essentience or intelligence that can fool a human being, then you finally arrive at the goal.
And I think we're a few years off from that, but I think that's a good test of the question.
I think the rest of your story is just great.
I just want to say, Art, as far as these kind of guests that you have on, I really believe these people because these people, they're not coming from the left field.
These are real people.
You just happen to have them on your program.
I got on here.
I just happen to be on here.
And we're all telling our story.
And I'm going to get off here, but I just want to say I'm really behind your guest, and you are.
He's very serious, not to be taken lightly about it.
And that was one of the things that pulled me toward him because I have nine medical doctors in my family.
And, of course, he's an ER doctor.
And so I just know how they think and feel and how they operate.
And I could deal with that.
And I mean that in a kind way.
But he just finally started just correlating everything together.
And he just said, there's just too much cohesion here.
It's just everything is starting to stick together.
And you're checking out on stuff.
And then he just finally said, you've got to testify.
And I drugged my feet up until four days before the testifying was to take place.
And I finally said, okay, I'll go.
And they sent me a plane ticket and off I went.
But the thing that really got me to answer the question why I did it now is because Greer wasn't sure enough, but he really had this feeling they might do a major disclosure at this meeting.
And I was sitting there knowing what I went through.
I thought, God, if I don't go and I miss a full disclosure behind closed doors and I had a chance to hear it, I just couldn't resist it.
And so I'd take the oath and take the risk and see if they were going to make a full disclosure.
And maybe I would hear more about what I saw a long time ago.
So that's really what pulled me into it because curiosity killed the cat maybe.
I've gotten a VA and I'm on my way to master's here, but I will be.
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Sorry.
Okay, well, listen, I have to admit that this is a highly unbelievable story.
And you know what?
It probably is true, but my sense of curiosity wants me to ask you to possibly, for the audience, briefly describe what happens when tritium and deuterium particle combine.
And if you could be specific, maybe give it MEV and whatever you can just to be specific and share some knowledge with the audience just to verify in a fusion reaction.
On this island ocean, finally love us, love us, shame Turning every turn, choose the secret place inside Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say
My guest is David Adair, and I'll tell you something.
The temptation would be to say, what a bunch of bulls.
And I know some of you are.
But I know Dr. Stephen Greer.
He's a really, really serious guy.
He would have vetted David Adair very carefully before he allowed him to come in front of Congress.
Very carefully.
In fact, David Adair, under oath, threat of perjury and going to jail, testified to what you just heard over the last three and a half hours, April 9th, 1997.
Behind closed doors.
With Stephen Greer, Dr. Stephen Greer.
So you better stop, and you better scratch your head real hard before you say, what a fish story.
Maybe you better scratch again.
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And so it was like some kind of obsession or a mental disorder myself.
But it would not leave me alone.
And even when I would want to do things like other things, like everybody else could play football or something like that, I just couldn't stop long enough to go do that.
I'd be on the field and I'd have to stop because I'd have to go back to the lab.
It just would not leave me alone.
And so the psychologist told me that that is not a normal with sometimes you get gifted early on in life.
And it just consumes you like a fire.
And you're so hot at that moment.
It's like an athlete that trains.
They're at their peak and they're capable of great things.
And then when you're older and you go back to try and do it, you never quite reach that peak again at that moment in time.
And of all things, I went in on a friend of mine who is a professional videographer was setting cameras and lights up for something called Ekencar, which is some kind of metaphysical thing.
And I told them that, well, I'm a technology transfer consultant, and we do research in space where we can grow super electronic crystals and alloys and medical research.
Well, the crystal things got them all fired up, and so much for the Eckencar meeting.
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Okay.
The question and answer previous was wonderful.
In fact, it answered a lot of what I had in my head.
But what I was wondering is if the fact that Mr. Adair, that you said that you were consumed by this, sounded very familiar to Mr. Doug Ruby's conversation.
And from what you just said about not wanting your life to be changed because of your situation now.
Well, it seems like Mr. Ruby, things are being made very easy for him.
And the fact that you have it in your heart and soul that this information is in you and I don't think it'll ever go away, maybe it'll be made a little easier with a little collaboration with others that also are in the same or similar situation.
And basically, having gone to school there in San Francisco, one chemistry teacher and one physics teacher set my mind into negative cancellation of waves.
The engine you saw, you said the flow was in a different direction than the one that you designed, right?
Was that capable, do you think, of creating, since it's connected to black holes with your mathematical theory, a gravity field capable of generating gravity waves that, if out of phase, would make, would cancel, with negative cancellation, would cancel gravity as it travels?
Anyway, the next thing is, would it be capable of producing enough power, and say applied to something like Art's Parts, to turn around and over a broad spectrum, produce electromagnetic waves that would, through negative cancellation, cancel out any reflected electromagnetic waves, making it sort of invisible?
David, I just want to apologize for the United States for cutting you off at the kneecaps when you're 16 years old.
They should never do that to a young man because you have a lot to bring to the table.
I'm 44 myself, so I got to see all kinds of things when I was growing up because my dad went from the demolition business to restoring a house in Noonan, Georgia to sinking Florida with concrete before I was 20 years old.
So I got to be around a lot of stuff myself before I was 20 years old.
And that should have never been done to you.
And I apologize for the United States for doing that to you.
I was going to mention that there was two shows on TV in the last year, Space Above and Beyond, which was sci-fi, and Babylon 5, which dealt with the shadows.
If you have questions for David Adair, we've got another hour to let you ask them.
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David, I admire your courage and your curiosity here, and I was wondering if you thought about this aspect, that if you're going to speed of light, you're probably going a long distance and you want to know where you're going, and you're going to have to avoid some asteroids and probably stop when you get there.
And you might want to come home, too.
So considering the size of this rocket, the kind of craft it would have to be, and how far could it go and where could it be coming from?
And I can only give you an assessment on what I saw and make some projections.
So bear with that.
Certainly not omnipresent knowledge here and know all speed all by any means.
But for a craft to move like that, it's capable of light speed.
It may be even better than that.
I never got a chance to finish my work, but there was a secondary thing to this engine I would like to have done.
I believed that the magnetic fields of this thing could be extended in a contained pattern outside the ship.
If that could be done, then what you can create, since that field has the intensity of a black hole, you could create an artificial black hole around the craft.
If that's so, then you can warp space by wrapping it around you like a burrito.
And the shortest point between two points, like A and B, is not a linear line, but rather pull the space wrap it around you, and then it's just the thickness of those two points connecting, which on a linear plane is nothing.
So it's kind of like a riddle that could be solved.
How can you go thousands of times faster than the speed of light without breaking the speed of light?
You could do that with a gravity wheel, graviton wheel like a black hole.
Because we know that's the only thing in space that can bend light.
When light comes out from a star and a black hole passes between us, it will actually bend the light.
So you could bend time and space.
And that's still only still a theory.
There's a movie that just came out a couple days ago called Event Horizon.
The engine that they have in there is exactly what I'm talking about.
The way they've got it set up, though, is it's entirely Hollywood.
It's been Hollywood ice, and it really can't do the way they have it set up.
It'd be entirely different setup.
But the theory and the way they explain it is good.
But from that point on, it turns to a B movie where bad aliens taking people to eat.
But boy, they really had a good thing going in the first 20 or 30 minutes of that movie.
They did a good job explaining how these engines could work like that.
I only think about it now and then.
And so to answer your question, this craft could come from billions of light years in a fairly reasonable time that we could stand ourselves.
Or they could have traveling for billions of years themselves.
So I don't know what kind of timetable they have or whatever.
But that craft would be capable of distances we could only dream about right now.
I'm pretty sure they could be doing, could travel like that.
I'm certain you're aware, but a lot of the audience may not be, that Stephen Greer of CSETI and his assistant have both come down with very deadly forms of cancer.
Now, you know, I'm not Mel Gibson, and I don't believe every conspiracy theory comes along, and I'm not saying this is one, but I'm saying the odds against that.
I'm in WAI, and I have lost the current live show.
Where might I tune to?
And the question for your guest is if you were able to adapt this to cold fusion and not operate it a million degrees, might you be able to make the mythical greater-than-unity engine that would free all of mankind from the energy lords and gods that really run our societies?
Now, obviously, if we could ever harness the kind of energy you're talking about that was used in your engine and their engine, we would have all the energy we could use, wouldn't we?
Yeah, you would, but I don't think you even have to go to this technology for the application.
I was in Korea about four months ago, and there was a new science symposium there, and this scientist from Japan showed the cold fusion process that our two guys here in America came out with, and then it kind of got shot down real quick.
I forgot the two guys that did that, if you remember who I'm talking about.
Another caller called and was asking something like that, and we really didn't get to answer him.
I was describing what the engine looks like.
This is not a scientific explanation, but it's pretty graphic.
Think of two octopuses intertwined having sex.
Okay?
It's pretty graphic, but it's pretty accurate.
The round parts would be on each end are the particle accelerators, and the mass of the tentacles all inner round would be the mass flow for the fusion process.
If you look at those two, you can draw a figure eight in between them with the two round things on each end.
And that's how I channeled the flow of the reaction process.
So, like anything in infinity loop, the faster it runs, the more power it provides from the reaction, which feeds self-feeding its own field.
So, what's happening is no matter how powerful it's getting inside, the field is one step above it.
So, the field could never, the energy source could never overtake the field for containment.
Standard accelerating particles where I had an outside external flow where I had a chain reaction of a detonation, the pre-detonation that started the reaction.
I don't know if you're familiar with how the Manhattan Project device was built.
Have you ever seen a picture of the original H-bomb?
And you had, at one time, if you had a soccer ball in 1945, it would have locked you up forever.
Because it would have been a top-secret device.
That pattern, remember all the wires going into that thing?
Thousands of wires.
Those are all mini little explosives.
And the trick to that thing was to get all these detonations to occur simultaneously exploding inward at the same exact precise force which caused the reaction to go off.
I used the same type of explosion if you remember me saying, I had miles of wiring in this thing.
I had the same type of reaction on a detonation explosion that kicked off the accelerators, which then kicked off the hydrogen reaction process.
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Sort of like with a battery starting an alternator.
It is, and I'm hearing from an awful lot of people that they're hearing on network TV about what we've been talking about here for actually the last couple of years, and certainly heavily in the last many, many months.
Echoes of Standeo, the El Niño that it's building, some of the forecasts they're beginning to give for California really are frightening.
And it's not just California, it's the whole southwest.
And that includes me.
And when it rains, the kind of rain they're talking about here in the desert, it's dangerous quickly.
Some of these forecasts are talking about 40 inches of rain.
Days and days and days of unending rain.
We're going to have to get a climatologist on there, and we will do that.
But this is a quickly now building story in the mainstream media.
My guest is incredible, David Adair.
The program has been incredible, and if you don't have this archived, you better get it.
Right, and give me your full mailing address and phone number so when we get the book out, I'll make sure you're notified where you can get a copy of it.
actually makes all the sense in the world because it is after all is in natural way whether something else interesting about the entire Do you remember seeing artwork by a man named H.R. Geiger?
There's no step-by-step ladder for us to go somewhere.
That just seems random.
Let's spend a block of money here.
And the thing that I find more interesting is there's such a push by Golden and Golden to the head of NASA to say, well, they want to go to Mars.
You know, why in God's name do we want to go 464 million miles in one direction or approximately that far when all we've got to do is go 240,000 miles to our moon?
Why don't we go back to the moon?
Nobody wants to talk about going back to the moon.
And, you know, I couldn't sit here and tell you exactly what I saw other than it was technology that either was A, generations and generations beyond what we have announced we have, or it was from somewhere else.
I don't know.
You know, they didn't drag anything along with them that explained all that to me.
I just saw it.
The owner's manual didn't drop out on your And I take it on that big engine.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
Hello.
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Good morning, Art.
This is Ken from Uniontown in southwestern Pennsylvania.
Yes, sir.
I have one quick question, if I may.
I've been catching your show erratically throughout the night due to the rainy weather and skip bouncing all around.
Right.
With all this technology out there and everything that seems to be going on around the world and tying in with your book, The Quickening, couldn't the government just turn this on its own people and this technology against its own people to just basically make us all a bunch of slaves to the government?
Maybe it's just me being paranoid, but it's a little scary to think About.
I mean, look how long they've kept Area 51 secret from us.
I mean, maybe it's just my paranoid mind working against me, the end of the millennium type of thing, but it just scares the bejesus out of me.
First thing an intelligent creature is aware of that things are getting dangerous around it.
I'm afraid our society with the apathy that we have running to America.
The democratic system works.
People laugh at it.
No, don't laugh.
It does work.
But the reason the powers are having such a good time and everything is that they depend on one thing, apathy.
As long as that apathy is in a democracy, man, you can have tyrants running things.
But until people become cohesive and instead of being like a flashlight shining on the wall, they become cohesive and become a laser and burn through it, they're not going to have to worry to answer anything.
But the system will react because at one time we pulled together and we absolutely rolled 40-year control of Democrats out of the office and they had to bend to that will.
We could make things change here if we'd only do it together.
I don't know the statistics, but of the registered voters in this country, what is like 12% vote?
I never got a chance to have any working models with this thing.
I had time with it.
Eventually, Stephan Hawkins agrees with that theorem that in the black hole capability, you would be able to pass through different dimensions and do time travel.
Exactly how you set all this up in motion, the navigation, communications, all that stuff, I have more questions, I've got answers.
But the theorem that he has, if you read his book, Space and Time, it addresses that issue.
And yeah, if you're going to do time travel in a natural way, the way to do it would be the force of a black hole.
And the way you do that is the way you increase, decrease speed of a rocket engine is by opening and closing an orifice called specific impulse.
In this particular case, in the liquid fuel configurations, even the solid propellants, they can do that by a mechanical device called a jetivator where they can, it works like an iris of a camera.
In this particular case, I used a plasma charged beam, an ion beam that opened the field up at the end.
And by dilating that thing, I can increase or decrease, or as you say, throttle the engine.
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Okay, so you're just, basically you're changing the shape of the naviatic cone at the end.
Yeah, do you remember me talking about the circuit, the little tubing?
Right.
The tubing looked just like fiber optics, except it looked like it had a liquid in it, but it had the same texture and look of a fiber optic cable system.
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Right.
And one other thing, too.
Would you mind maybe perhaps getting in touch with Richard Hoglan calling you or getting in touch with you on a couple of these men?
But boy, I tell you what, those markings saved my bacon in Washington.
I forgot to tell you that they were testifying, the other witnesses, and I thought, boy, nobody's had hardware contact.
And I thought, man, I don't know why a turkey feels like at Thanksgiving.
Because I was the only one that had hardware contact at that time.
And what happened was a lawyer got up to testify, and he was an encryption officer in 1960, and they gave him three pieces of metal, his commanding officer, and said that this is from a downed UFO.