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Aug. 19, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Rocket Science - David Adair

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning across all these many prolific time zones.
		From the East and Hawaiian Island Chain southwest, the Caribbean, the erupting Caribbean in the east and U.S. Virgin Islands, Montserrat.
		Check it out.
		It may not be there very much longer.
		Up into the jungles of South America, north to the pole and worldwide on the old internet.
		This is close to AM.
		I'm Art Bell, and I've got a bunch of announcements.
		And then I've got a really good guest for you.
		His name is David Adair, and he is a rocket scientist.
		Sound sounds interesting, doesn't it?
		David Adair, coming up this evening, let me give you some idea of what is to come yet this week.
		Tomorrow night I have a mystery guest I can't tell you about tomorrow night's guest.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, and so I better keep my mouth shut.
		I just can't really.
		Oh, yes, tomorrow night I can talk about it.
		The next night I can't talk about it.
		Tomorrow night, tomorrow night is really going to be cool.
		Check this out.
		James Collier, who wrote Vote Scam, I interviewed him a long time ago when he wrote Vote Scam, has authored a new book suggesting that we never went to the moon.
		We never went to the moon!
		You know, Capricorn won, done on a sound stage, that sort of thing, and claims to have proof that we never went to the moon.
		Well, tomorrow night, James Collier and Richard Hoagland debate whether we went to the moon.
		That should be a really, really, really interesting program, no doubt about it.
		So that's tomorrow night, and then the next night is a mystery guest, but it's going to be hot stuff if it happens.
		You know, it's one of those things.
		And then Friday night, Saturday morning, Dr. Michio Kaku, who is a theoretical physicist at the City University of New York, a professor in the field.
		And then come Monday, I believe we've about got it firmed up, come Monday, James Von Trag is going to be here.
		So there's some hot stuff happening out there, folks.
		All right, last night I announced KNST in Tucson, Arizona joining the network.
		They didn't hear it because they had, you know, typical first night jittery troubles in the first 20 minutes of the program.
		So I would like to welcome, and I'm sure everybody in Tucson is glad to hear, that KNST will now carry the entire program from 10 o'clock at night to 3 in the morning Pacific, Sunday through Friday.
		That's a lot of carriage.
		Welcome to the network.
		And I'm sure a lot of people who have been screeching bloody murder down in Tucson are happy to hear that.
		So there you are.
		Now, the rogue market.
		This is really serious stuff.
		This is really serious stuff.
		The rogue market, I now appeal to everybody within arm's reach of a computer.
		Want to make some money?
		Even though it's not real money?
		Well, there is this very cool thing called the rogue market.
		It's on the internet.
		And it trades in literally thousands of personalities.
		Television, radio, movies, that sort of thing.
		I discovered it about three weeks ago.
		I discovered I was part of it.
		And I went to somebody sent me a fax and said, you better go up there and look.
		You're being traded.
		I went, huh?
		And so I went up there and looked.
		And there I was with Oliver North, Dr. Loris Lessinger, Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, Don Imus, and some others.
		There I was.
		And my stock had just been offered.
		And I was, of course, very low at that point compared to others.
		Now my stock is beginning to go through the roof.
		And I'm telling you all right now, buy now.
		Buy hardbook.
		You're not really risking any money at all.
		There's no money involved.
		But it is like trading in the real stock market.
		It's the gardenest thing, and it's a lot of fun.
		So if you go to my website and click on the rogue market, you can zoom over there, fill out their form.
		If you fill out part of it, they give you $10,000 rogue market dollars to begin with.
		Then if you fill out the rest of the form, you get $5,000 more.
		So you start with $15,000, which you should invest in me totally.
		It's all just for fun.
		But I am now 10 points from catching up to Stern Howard.
		And then once I pass Stern Howard, I'm going after Imus Don.
		And when I pass Imus, Don, there is going to be, that'll be it.
		We'll be at the top of the heap.
		And here's why I'm telling you to buy now and quickly.
		Because when I say something like this, everybody's going to go rushing up there and buy, and the worth of the stock is going to go up, up, up, up.
		And you're going to make a lot of money.
		So, whatever else you do tonight, if you can lay your hands on a computer, I'm telling you, go up to my website, click on the rogue market, get involved.
		You'll see how to do it.
	It'll take a little fooling around, you'll see how to do it.
	You go down to the bottom when you get there and you register and you fill out the form, you get the money for free.
	And it is a blast.
	You can go back every day and check.
	There are statistics, you can see highs and lows for the day.
	It's really a lot of fun, but I now am entering the rogue market in a big way.
	So please, oh, please, go up there.
	Buy Art Bell stock until it hurts.
	So there is that.
	There is also on my website, and it is going to be particularly relevant tonight, a photograph of Area 51.
	It's the best damn photograph of Area 51 I've ever seen.
	Maybe too good.
	I'm waiting for the men in black.
	You should see it while it's there.
	We're going to be talking with David Adair about Area 51 along with a lot of other things, so it is relevant.
	Take really a cool shot.
	I don't know who and how they got this shot of Area 51, but it's an awful lot of stuff for a place that doesn't exist.
	And there are a couple of very interesting things in the photograph.
	See if you can find them.
	I'm getting a ton of email about it.
	So let's see.
	I've told you about KNST in Tucson.
	I've told you about Rogue Market.
	Buy, buy, buy, and what's coming up in the next few days.
	The only other thing I want to do is alert you.
	I want to say this again.
	If I can.
	If I can find it.
	I'm going to be in Alaska, and I've got a schedule of roughly when I'm going to be where.
	In Juneau, Alaska, Tuesday, August 26th, till midnight, from like afternoon to midnight or something.
	In Skagway, Alaska, Wednesday, August 27th, till about 7 at night.
	In Seward, Alaska, by 9 a.m. in the morning, August 30th.
	And then by about 12.30 in the afternoon, I will be in Anchorage near my old alma mater, K-E-N-I, and I'll spend the night in Anchorage.
	They'll stay in Anchorage overnight.
	So there you have it.
	Let's see.
	This is such a cool, cool photograph, Area 51.
	We're going to be asking David Adair, I guarantee you, in a few moments about Area 51.
	and i'll tell you more about david aries cool guy David Adair's new book, America's Fall from Space, not Grace, maybe both, tells the story of the U.S. space program through the eyes of a child prodigy, turned rocket scientist.
	My kind of guy.
	He is an internationally recognized leader and expert in space technology, consulting the world's top corporations.
	He crossed swords with NASA as he learned of the corruption and technical problems faced by the Challenger shuttle prior to launch.
	David will share just where the current space technology really is at, as opposed to what we see, as well as the testimony he gave under oath on April 9th, 1997 to the U.S. Congress on, check it out folks, extraterrestrial intelligence, recovered extraterrestrial hardware, reverse engineering of downed ET spacecraft.
	He has first-hand experience of top secret underground Air Force bases like Area 51.
	He has, where he had hands-on experience with the technology from a recovered UFO.
	He claims that reverse engineering, the investigation into what makes down UFOs work, has been responsible for inventions such as fax machines, modems, cellular telephones, laptop computers.
	David says, quote, you're not going to believe what's going to happen in the next 10 years.
	Now, that's a much, much better introduction than he sent me of himself.
	Here is David Adair.
	Hello, David.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was pretty good, huh?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It was too good.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let us go back to our childhoods for a moment, David.
		a child prodigy.
		When I was a little child, I used to try to I also build a lot of bombs that I thought were rockets.
		And the only way I knew to do it was to create, out of either metal or cardboard, rocket bodies, which I would then...
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Sure I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you break off those little ends with the blue-tip, and you break off millions of them, and you put it into the body of a rocket, you get rocket fuel.
		What you also get, though, is an opportunity to blow yourself to Kingdom Come because I didn't realize, you see, as you compact them down, they rub against each other and they generally tend to ignite, ruining great portions of my mother's floor.
		So I did a lot of that kind of stuff.
unidentified		What did you do?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I did something a little bit different than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More intelligent, no doubt.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Those are what we call basement bombers.
		That was in the days of how kids were learning to build rockets.
		And unfortunately, some kids lost eyes and fingers and such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, don't try that at home.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, please don't do that.
		It's extremely dangerous.
		But I was fortunate.
		I had a big machine shop that I could work with.
		My dad had retired out from an injury.
		He worked for a man named Lee Petty who has a son named Richard Petty.
		In some parts of the world, like in Southeast America where we are, those guys are known pretty well.
		They're famous race car drivers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And my dad was an engine builder for them.
		So I've worked in shops, and a shop of that nature is extremely close related to a shop that builds rockets.
		Even you have all the machine tools, the presses, the lates, you have dynamers, you have all the instrumentations, calorimeters, everything you need to.
		So those shops are built for speed.
		And even the fuels are the same.
		For the drag racers, they would have methane, nitro, liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you had it all.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was all there.
		And I'd work during the day and help my dad.
		And by the time I was 12, I could overhaul a 426 Cranks for Hemi by myself in about three and a half hours.
		That's pretty fast.
		I got really good at that.
		And then during the night, the basement bummer was turned loose there.
		And there was everything I needed, all the machinery, the tools, everything.
		So I started putting rockets together.
		And the first one I built was a liquid fuel drive type engine, where I'd used liquid hydrogen and kerosene, which is very similar to the Saturn V fuels in the moon day.
		So anyway, the rocket left out of the backyard, and it left at about 3,500 miles an hour.
		And the way we could clock that was I built a calorimetry device where I could get altitude and altimeter.
		So by being 500 feet away from the pad, that cosine of the tangent of one on the trigonometry table, I could multiply the altitude with a little protractor.
		You ever see a protractor that, you know, okay, you glue that to a board and then screw a little stick through there that has little eyelets, and you look through the eyelets like rifle sights, and you track the rocket and look at where it stops at the apogee curve, and it would tell you how fast it got towards the road.
		Right, well, yeah, you backtrack, you find out the you get the degree off of the protractor, then go to the tangent book and the trigonometry table, and backtrack that, use a stopwatch, and get that out to a certain time, and that's how I could tell how fast it's going.
		So I drove about 80,000 feet on the first flight, which is a little bit high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		80,000 feet?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		And I had a beefer transponder that I had in there so I could track the thing.
		Wow.
		It came back within about a half-mile radius of where I launched it.
		But the first place I launched was kind of at the very end of the yard, which was toward a cow field.
		And I incinerated the yard about a quarter size of a football field.
		It was burnt to the crisp, right down to the roots of the grass.
		I turned around and looked at my friends, fellow 12-year-old friends, and we weren't really allowed to play with matches.
		And here I just threw a fireball about the size of a schoolyard.
		And I turned around and they were gone.
		They were just dust where they were standing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		80,000 feet, that's a hazard to all navigation.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but at least had enough foresight to call Port Columbus.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I was in Ohio at that time, and I could get the flight times, and I knew exactly by the charts that they give you out at FAA flight stations where all the commercial airliners were, and I could time it where I could launch something like that and not poke a hole in one of the wings, which they'd get really upset about that, I would think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That, or you could have brought down an SR-71 or a U-2 or something.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		This thing, I guess, overdid the fuel part.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It had a longer burn time than I was expecting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, it was literally still burning when it hit the ground.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was pretty hot.
		It finally slowed down, and they had parachute recovery, so when it came in, the thermal couples would detect the heat, cool down, and then I'd time the delay charge to blow the parachutes out, and it just drifts right down.
		You pick it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, cool.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So that was my first rocket at age 12, and that started the whole thing, I guess.
		And I just kept building and getting bigger and bigger.
		And eventually, well, my parents moved me away from the house, and I was able to strike a deal with four farmers in the area.
		All four of the farms come together, and I was right in the center of all the four farms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So sort of son, you need your own house, we can't use it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a matter of fact, my dad moved me out of the basement the very next day, and we overhauled a big garage that was about 1,000 yards from the house.
		And he told my mother, well, if anything goes bad, he won't launch and blow the house up and take us with it.
		There'll just be a crater where the shop was.
		We'll just erect a stone there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A memorial there for David.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		This is where David Dare once was.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So I had some pretty understanding parents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were really doing it the right way.
		With my match rockets, they could be very explosive.
		And I got a rain gutter, and I figured one time to launch from a rain gutter, you know, at an angle, and I put the rain gutter in the crook of a tree.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You're my kind of guy, I'm telling you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was a good idea.
		Yeah, it was.
		Except that it was, unfortunately, it was a bomb instead.
		And when it blew up, it blew the entire tree limb off.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		See, the way you're packing those little match heads, you're packing sulfur, nitrate, and carb, and with the sulfur, it's a very uneven burn on the BTUs.
unidentified		Yep.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So what happens is, instead of a slow, steady burn like a solid rocket engine would do, you're getting a rapid burn in a tight area, and what you have is a hand grenade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		And my metal models tend to shrapnel, yes, sir.
		I don't know how I lived through the experience.
		I have no idea.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you what, Art, that's seeing you were destined to do something like that, and you learned from it, and I guess divine intervention came down and said, protected yourself from yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, David, I always wanted to fly.
		Then next thing was hang gliders in Alaska, and I compound fractured my arm in Palmer, Alaska, and that ended my hang glider.
		Now, you know what I'm thinking of these days?
		I want an ultralight.
		I'm going to fly.
		Somehow or another, I'm going to fly.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		My kind of guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, David, we've got a lot to talk about.
		Stay right where you are.
		It's the bottom of the hour, and we'll be right back.
		David Adair is my guest, and just wait till you hear where we're going.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This is CBZ.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell.
		Good morning.
		You know what you're hearing, don't you?
unidentified		Cusco 3, Permac 3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Cusco, Permac 3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Return to Native America.
unidentified		This is good, good stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of you may be able to get it soon.
unidentified		Others have already got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's good music.
		All right, a couple of quick messages regard the rogue market.
		Art Bell, will you also be telling us when the time is right to dump Art Bell stock?
		Sure, yeah.
		Sure if that happens, you know.
		I'll tell my friends.
		I feel disease.
		Don't now.
		And another one.
		Art, I just purchased 95 shares of your stock.
		Your volume of 516 shares is more than double that of the number two radio host, G. Gordon Liddy.
		Or number three, Dr. Laura.
		Art, you're telling them.
		In the time it took me to write this, your volume went from 516 to 596.
		I'm telling you, get in there and buy now, folks.
		You're going to make money.
		Rogue market money.
		And I'm going to catch and pass Turn and Image.
		You watch.
		You know what I just heard?
		I heard a rumor that my stock in the next few days might split.
		So the time to get in is now.
		Of course, that's just a rumor.
		Now, back to David Adair, who is somewhere, I think, in Southern California, right, David?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right now I'm in L.A. L.A. Lucky you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, so much for our dangerous childhoods, I guess.
unidentified		When you grew up, David, what did you become?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right now I make a living as a TTC, which is a technology transfer consultant.
		And what that is, I take space technology.
		It's just designed and used in space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sell it to the communist Chinese.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I redesign it and put it into commercial applications that really has nothing to do with space.
		And people go, well, you know, that's kind of clear as mud, so I can give you an example.
		In the Apollo days, the astronauts went out to the moon and back.
		I know some people don't believe that, but they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay good and close to the phone for me, David.
		Don't have a wonderful connection here.
		We're going to have a big brouhaha about the moon tomorrow night, whether we went or not.
		What do you think?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I think we went to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think we did?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm certain we did because where I was at the time, I knew Von Braun when I was 12 because of the rockets I was building.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You know, just things evolved and newspaper stories and such, and I got to meet the man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You met Von Braun?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, many a time.
		And when Neil Armstrong was walking on the moon, I was leaning against Viola Armstrong's knees.
		That's his mother, in her living room.
		And we really Neil walk on the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, see, I was in Mount Vernon, Ohio, and they lived over in Wapakoneta, and that wasn't far away.
		And the local congressman who funded a lot of my projects for educational reasons, actually political reasons for him, but educational was the label.
		I got to know a lot of these people, and I made friends with them, and I just stayed friends ever since, all my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And all that just kind of evolved naturally by being a technology transfer consultant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody has those things.
		You know, where were you when we took the first step on the moon?
		Yeah, it's a little hard for you to remember, huh?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I was leaning against Viola's knees in her living room, and all the original seven astronauts were on the floor with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it's kind of a little different memory for me, I guess, than most people are used to.
		But yeah, so when I grew up, I really didn't go into propulsion to do any more of that work until I was through with the Navy.
		And I do the transfer now.
		People are never finished really telling what to transfer it.
		When the astronauts went to the moon in the apollo program, they were eating solid food.
		And it's about three days out, three days back, two days on the moon, so you're looking about normally an eight-day mission.
		Well, after about three days eating solid food, something's got to give, right?
		And the place is weightless up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought that was all arranged for.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, it was about the size of a broom closet.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So there's no bathrooms on Apollo Capsule, so they used diapers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Diapers?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yes, diapers.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's all they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now there's an uncomfortable truth.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when you're in a broom closet, it's weightless, so you don't want anything floating with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, you don't want it floating, no.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, so they made a really interesting material that could absorb nastiness away from you, and still kind of keep you dry.
		So, and transfer, we call Johnson-Johnson.
		You get the disposable diaper, and that's where it came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding, really?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm serious.
		Another little transfer that happened in the, it started way back in the 60s with the Mercury astronauts.
		You know, you had an astronaut out there in orbit, and the doctors want to know, I hope he's doing okay up there, so they decided to do something about that, and they hooked sensors to their bodies, and then the sensors would pick up the blood pressure, the pulse rate, respiratory function, all the vital signs, and we lay it back to ground by telemetry.
		Well, in technology transfer, we'd walk in, look at that, and go, hey, you know what we can do?
		So now you've had a head-on collision in your local town there, your neighbors or family members are dying from the impact.
		The paramedics come rushing up, they open up this little suitcase, they hook these leads to the person.
		The information is sent to a local hospital.
		A doctor looks after their blood pressure, the pulse rate, respiratory function, all the vital signs.
		Tell the paramedic how to stabilize that person, get them to a trauma center, and that's where that suitcase came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you're like the Japanese then.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		We were the original.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Japanese.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And then they came over and mimicked us.
		But we still do that.
		There's been, to date, over 75,000 transfers from the space technology programs into commercial applications.
		I could take you through a house and take us hours and I could show you all the stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's funny, I could use that because a lot of times people call up and we have debates about whether the space program is worth anything at all.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people say, name something, and of course everybody says Teflon.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, well, the Kavlar.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, more practical things, do you have a Makita or a Rockwell coordinal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's, guess what, that nickel-cadding battery is designed.
		You ever try to stretch an extension cord from here to orbit?
		We had to create battery packs for power tools, and that's where that came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I could go down the list in the medical arena.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's unreal, the stuff we spun out of there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fax machines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I use fax machines a lot.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, the cellular technology that you're enjoying today, which affects your pagers, your beepers, even your PowerBooks, all of that was originally stamped out from the Space Program, and we were moving through the microcircuitry systems because we had to reduce these huge computer systems.
		And then we did a sudden jump in a lot of the technology, which Space Program was the first to pick it up in our applications, and then we redesigned it.
		But when we picked it up, it's where we got it from.
		That's real interesting.
		I think Corso is right on the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's where I was going.
		I interviewed Corso, as you may know.
		I don't know whether you heard him, but I interviewed him twice.
		Six hours of interview with Corso, which is more than anybody else on the planet.
		He's not doing any interviews right now.
		And it is an amazing, believable, just here it is, folks.
		Here's how it happened story.
		You buy it, I take it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I spent about four days with the man in Roswell at the 50th, Roswell, New Mexico, at that 50th anniversary.
		Plus, I flew on the plane with him back, and I met him again here just recently.
		So we've had a lot of time to talk.
		And what is interesting, in a way, what he was doing created an industry for me that I've made a living for the last 19 years off of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This transfer.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		The transfers, yeah.
		And there's a lot of strange stuff in that area, the way the technology has made such quantum leaps.
		You know, we can backtrack certain things in the computer areas where we went from the vacuum tube to the transistor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And then when we jumped from the transistor to the microcircuitry board, that was such a quantum leap.
		And what's interesting, if you try to backtrack some of this technology, like run through the bibliography of abstracts of NASA's files, you run into the original source and it'll stamp on there unknown.
		What do you mean unknown?
		You know, here's the stuff in the field.
		Don't worry about it.
		Use it.
		And I'm going, oh, wait a minute, guys.
		And so a lot of this stuff just really just developed and dropped right out of the sky, literally.
		Literally.
		And we've infused it in our technology.
		Have you ever looked at the technological rate at which we're moving this in an exponential level?
		Oh, I know.
		Well, there's a reason for it.
		And the reason it's doing that is that we get this technology, let's say it's from a really advanced design assumption, we've got to reverse the engineering on it.
		Fine, you've got all this fantastic technology, no infrastructure to support it.
		An example would be, I'll give you a Ferrari, but I'll put you back in 1865.
		Well, if you don't have any fuel and there's no gas stations, what good is that car to you?
		Well, you could tie a horse to it and have it pull it around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's about all, though.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		See, so we've had the same structure.
		This incredible technology drops in.
		There's no infrastructure to support it.
		So what has happened, we just got to the point through the space program where we had an infrastructure.
		Then we could dump this more superior technology.
		That builds another base.
		Then we build up another infrastructure layer on the tier, like a wedding cake, and then we dump another load of technology in the quantum lead.
		And the infrastructure is built and just keep going.
		But we're doing an exponential rate climb.
		And nobody ever slowed down long enough going, where'd this come from?
		And so it's real interesting.
		And I knew for years, for the last 19 years of work, I'm just going, man, the quantum leads we're making is incredible.
		And if you think we've got something pretty hot right now, you'll give yourself about another 10, 15 years.
		You don't believe what you're going to be staring at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you see coming?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll have very soon, it's only a pencil problem, but we're not far from AIs, artificial intelligence.
		Once we get the AIs online with computers, they'll become self-aware.
		Once they become self-aware, then the cycle starts again.
		They'll start, first thing they'll probably build is the voice transponder where they can talk to us.
		Then the next thing they'll want to do is start building themselves, which they'll do faster and better than we can.
		We fall out of the loop at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was going to ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this really such a spiffy idea?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it is or not, but I do tell this.
		It's going to happen as sure as you're breathing air, and it's inevitable, and you will not stop it.
		It's already on a cannonball roll, and it's just a matter of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The error you just talked about, though, is getting marginal in a lot of places, and if there was a logical artificial intelligence, and I've had this conversation with other people, it might logically, eventually, as a matter of fact, I talked to Charles Ostman, who believes there will be AI first, probably, in effect, born on the Internet.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I think it's going to originate out of either the big academia labs like Georgia Tech, where I live, where they're working on the computers for the Star Wars systems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		They have to have AI in order to pull the Star Wars systems together to get all the target acquisitions things done.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It'll come out of some place like that, and it will be a remarkable thing when it does, because once they become self-aware, they can build themselves, and you'll see computers jumping to 30, 40 gigahertz speed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they'll begin improving themselves?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		Eventually, you want to want as a bipedal anthropoid package so they can move around the three-dimensional world that we have built for ourselves.
		In other words, the Android-type body they'll have to have so they can interface with us on a more interpersonal level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I would imagine that something that has intelligence, self-awareness, and would be aware of its surroundings and human beings, what's going on with our ecology and our air and our industrialization and all the rest of it might decide there are too many people and not enough resources and come to conclusions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then if it had the power to change things, it probably would try to change things.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I totally disagree.
		It's going to go the other route.
		A total logic machine that's looking at things, it is illogical to kill and destroy.
		It just doesn't make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it wouldn't think of it as killing and destroying, though.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an assumption we could make at this point.
		I believe what's going to happen, they'll become a sub-class people in our race where we have Japanese, Chinese, blacks, Hispanics, AIs, and they'll just become grouped right in there with the rest of us.
		And I think they'll have more of a tendency to try to figure out what's going on and figure out the problems.
		And they probably could ask some really potent questions that would be very difficult to answer.
		For instance, why do we spend 75% of our resources in military systems designed to blow ourselves into oblivion?
		That's not very logical, is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it isn't.
		That's where I was going.
		And so it would ask the question, and eventually, if an artificial intelligence got control of the web, it literally would have access to and control of all that machinery.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And what's happening is you're interjecting your emotions in there and you're making conclusions and jumping to an assumption, which we haven't been able to prove on either side, that these machines will be hostile or malevolent.
		I think they're going to be just the opposite.
		I'm on a positive side of the technology wave.
		I'm just not going to believe things are going to be, instead of a Terminator machine coming at you, it's going to be more of a type of machine that can solve a lot of our problems.
		And it's going to be more probably caring.
		Because the logic will dictate.
		And pure logic, you just don't kill for the fun of it like we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that pure logic thinks of it as killing them.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's better to build than destroy.
		So if you're going to destroy, which, and no, it would be destroying.
		If you kill an organism or a plant or any type of life form, that's destructive.
		And destruction is not logical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, boy, I might argue with you a little bit there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it might be logical if the alternative is complete destruction Extermination, yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I just don't think it's going to happen that way.
		I really don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess we'll find out, huh?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		The only time we'll show which one of us was right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, back when NASA was launching Challenger, how did you get involved in that?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I was there on the pad when Challenger was being launched and I was in the area because I was busy working on some programs of my own called GAS Getaway Specials.
		Yeah, that's produced out by the Technology Transfer Division of NASA.
		That's where you can rent this thing that looks like a 55-gallon drum for $3,000, $7,000, or $10,000 if you take the whole drum.
		You have it bolted on the inside wall of the cargo bay of the shuttle, and you can run microgravity experiments.
		And it's available to anybody, private citizens, academia, corporations, whoever.
		And they already flown 1,500 gas canisters already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, somebody in private industry who figures the vacuum of space would produce something that would lead to industry and a lot of money.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		Well, let me show you a good example of TTC.
		I went to a very large chicken manufacturer.
		That was a client.
		And you tell them, how would you guys, well, first I asked them, I said, how long does it take a fertilized embryo to go from an embryo to a chick?
		And they said, well, about 27 days.
		I said, well, let's rack up a bunch of fertilized eggs and put them in a gas canister, send them up in orbit, and let it run full duration.
		When it comes back, there are some possibilities we know that we can do already from some previous programs.
		We can alter DNA while it's being formed up there in the weightless environment.
		When the RNA factor links are welded together by the enzymes, you can start changing coating.
		Now, why would you want to do that?
		Well, chickens are killed by certain chicken diseases here on earth that cost the poultry industry billions of dollars annual loss.
		So you bring these chickens back, guess what?
		They're immune to that disease.
		You interbreed them with the other chickens, and eventually you've got a whole string of chickens that are no longer affected by that disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the chicken that eats Toledo.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		See, I'm going to be your balancer.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's not too funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		If you could have a chicken to grow up the size of Jeremy Shepherd, maybe have four legs, and you wonder how it tastes, you'll never know because you can't catch it.
		However, on the more serious corporate side, I told him, I said, okay, the chicken could be normal, could be deformed, or we can have a positive DNA change with a good chicken.
		Or, if nothing else, when you come back home, it's the first high-level multi-organism went full-term in space.
		And when you come back here, you'll get a billion dollars worth of free publicity to the news, and you'll blow Ronald McDonnell out of his chicken McNugget.
		But, well, they signed before we could even get out the door.
		And unfortunately, that project was on Challenger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, it was on Challenger.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And now, that's why I was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
		All right.
		That's why you were there.
		All right.
		Fascinating.
		All right.
		Hold tight.
		We're at the top of the hour, and we will be right back.
		David Adair is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is CVC.
unidentified		When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful.
		A miracle, all it was beautiful, magical.
		And all the birds in the trees made me singing so happily.
		Oh, joyfully, oh playfully, watching me.
		But then they send me your way, teach me how to be sensible.
		Practical, always comfortable, practical.
		But then they show me your love.
		I could be so defendable.
		Oh, clean it up.
		Oh, we didn't let you all say it up.
		Then your wife seemed to think you're losing the sanity of the vanity.
		Oh, is there no way out?
		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line.
		At 702-727-1295.
		At 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach our bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		It's a rule of your life's become a catastrophe.
		Oh, it has to be.
		Here you go.
		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		We're talking about space, and we're just getting started.
		My guest is David Adair.
		These are rocket scientists.
		We'll get back to them in a moment.
unidentified		We'll get back to them in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says, no art, don't do it.
		Art, rockets that blew up, broken bones for hang gliding.
		Don't try ultralights.
		Take it from an ex-rocket builder.
		I used FFG grade gunpowder.
		An ex-hang glider pilot.
		I flew ultralight products in Pacific Windcraft and an ex-Ultralight pilot.
		With your record art, you will kill yourself.
		Have fun, stay away from the trees, and remember, ultralight engines love to quit working at very inappropriate times.
		Yeah, but I want to fly.
unidentified		I really, really, really want to fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here once again is David Adair, David High.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you had these chickens that were going to go up on Challenger, and I guess...
		They just never made it to space because Challenger blew up.
		What did you know or think you knew about Challenger or what concern?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		There was so much stuff going on.
		It goes on back, at least to the part where I was aware of it.
		It's in my book.
		They knew about the O-rings failing at least nine months before.
		They had brought the SRBs in, some of the rocket boosters, and they already had burn marks laterally down their sides, and they were already burning through.
		And they just kept pushing the roulette wheel, and they came up with a black number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were they thinking, that it wouldn't burn through the second ring or?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's just insanity.
		See, first thing that NASA told Morton Feichall to do is reduce the weight of the SRBs.
		Well, how do you do that?
		Well, let's machine the walls down to half their original thickness.
		Let's take out the reinforcement struts and let's put in a more higher performance propellant.
		That's so we can get more lift on it and we can charge more or actually less dollars per pound in payload and be a lot more competitive.
		Well, the phrase goes, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this one out.
		That is a prescription for a chured disaster.
		And they went ahead and did all that.
		And that's one of the reasons, one of the main factors that Morton Feichol was not sued was because they were following NASA's instructions.
		And the reason NASA was doing that was because they were under tremendous political pressure.
		There's too much politics in the program.
		It was still way too much.
		What happened was NASA opened his fat mouth and said the space shuttle is now operational.
		That's a lie.
		It's an outright lie.
		That thing will never be an operational vehicle.
		It will always be an experimental vehicle.
		You know, we have a Model A going here until you get to Ford or Plymouth, you're not going to have an operational vehicle.
		You've got to go to second and third design generations.
		That thing's 20 years old.
		My God, they retired to Enterprise from Captain Kirk when the Enterprise was 20 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So they got more sense than a Star Trek movie.
		But anyhow, they got all of them limb when they said they could compete.
		We in the private sector and the commercial side of the space program, we are going, they're crazy.
		They can't possibly do this.
		The bloated bureaucracy system will drive the cost up too much.
		They're all constantly cutting back because of budget restraints.
		They don't have the infrastructure to even compete on the commercial market.
		But nevertheless, they said they could.
		So what happened was they started selling the cargo bay out to general space, commercial space.
		So here's a scenario of how it works.
		Let's say you're Ted Turner, and you just called me, the director of the space program, and you have crawled up my pants.
		You are so upset because we're already almost a year behind our flight schedule.
		Well, guess what?
		You just paid for a $500 million satellite sitting in a hangar going nowhere.
		And that's bad enough for you, but it's worse.
		You're losing millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars a week due to lost subscriptions, due to loss pay-for-view channels, due to the commercials.
		You're just furious, and you tell me, get that thing up in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pressure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right, pressure is building.
		Well, you're not satisfied.
		I go, I'm doing the best I can.
		Not good enough.
		So now you jump to the senators.
		So you talk to United States Senators on the board of the Senate Subcommittee on Science and Technology, which governs NASA.
		And you tell the senators, hey, Senator, let me tell you something.
		Here's what's happening.
		You know, I've got all these cable subscribers and stuff, and guess what?
		Every one of them is your constituent and voter.
		If you want to be in office next time on term, I suggest you get that satellite up in orbit now.
		Otherwise, I'm going to do all I can to put money in the opponent's pocket and bust you out of that seat.
		Well, now they turn around and jump on you like a vengeance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it's cranking up.
		Now they're really under pressure.
		They're moving further behind schedule.
		They're working faster and faster and working.
		Those poor workers, which are some of the finest engineers on the planet, which is the workforce of NASA.
		And now the poor workers down there has the bureaucratic cesspool on top of them that's going nuts.
		Underneath them, they've got a technological nightmare called a space shuttle.
		That O-ring is what we call a critical item.
		And when an A-1 critical item fails, you will lose ship and crew.
		Do you know how many A1 critical items are on that thing?
		250 items.
		Any one of them fails, and you'll lose ship and crew.
		I ain't like playing Russian roulette in this game with 250 loaded cylinders.
unidentified		Wow.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to Space 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must be something sitting up on top of that thing for launch each time.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's something to endure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's a fabulous thing to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll tell you something else.
		Now, I'm only a layman, of course, but I watch the launches.
		And I could swear, David, that I have seen the same kind of flame in the same kind of place where the Challenger blew up.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You probably did, because I told you earlier, nine months earlier, I took photos of the Dago SRBs coming into Cape Canaveral, Port Canaveral being pulled in by the tugs, and they've got splits on their sides.
		And I knew right then, we're in serious trouble.
		Well, on the morning of the launch, which was January 28th, 1986, it was outrageous.
		It was 28 degrees ambient temp, wind chill 7 on the pad.
		You've got ice hanging on this thing 15 stories high.
		It looked like Dr. Chivago Ice Palace.
		I'm going, God's name, you're not going to launch this thing.
		And so I walked over and talked to some of the tech people.
		I'm going, you guys can't be launching this thing.
		Look at that thing out there.
		I said, it says in the manuals of Morton Thaicall, you can't launch a solid rocket booster below 53 degrees Fahrenheit.
		The O-rings will harden up.
		You ever jump on an old car seat in the early 50s and the vinyl would break?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly what happens to them O-rings.
		So you flip those engines on, and I don't know if you know this, but solid rocket boosters do not burn from the bottom up like a 4th July rocket.
		They burn from the top down.
		The fuel is stacked in there like a stack of doughnuts.
		And the center hole is where the fire comes out.
		So there's a starter ring at the top that ignites everything.
		So it starts from the top down.
		By the time it gets to the lower sections of the SRB, you're about 74, 75 seconds into flight.
		The temperature now is over 6,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than a cutting torch, a cut steel.
		It goes right out.
		Oh, by the way, that O-ring?
		I forgot to tell you, remember we're lightening the load, right?
		We had three O-rings.
		They took out two sections of the O-rings.
		And so triple redundant.
		You only have one ring now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		The fire comes down, and I tell you what happened.
		There was a black puff of smoke at the one second marks when the SRBs ignited.
		They had already ruptured.
		The crew's dead.
		There's nothing you can do for them.
		You can't throttle down.
		You can't bail out of a shuttle.
		They tuck out all the ejection seats for budget cuts.
		Did you know that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Look, don't believe me.
		Go check out the Library of Congress.
		It's all in the records.
		In the congressional testimonies of Challenger, it's all right there.
		Wonder why y'all didn't hear about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that before the Challenger disaster, they were saying the odds of a Challenger disaster, of it blowing up, was about 1 in 100,000.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Who said that?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Probably NASA.
unidentified		NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, of course, it had to be revised to 1 in 25.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And it's not funny.
		I lost two friends on that thing I've known since I was 17 years old.
		Also, I'm the national spokesperson for the Rob McNair Challenger Foundation in Atlanta, Georgia.
		Oh.
		So I take this personally.
		Challenger was 10 years and six months ago for y'all, eight months.
		It's yesterday for me.
		So it just doesn't end.
		We never even got our say as to people about what really happened in the Challenger incident.
		And then NASA's got the gall to come out with a film not too long ago, all the right things they did with Challenger.
		Hell, they murdered seven people and got away with it.
		This NASA, NASA, never a straight answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and Richard Hoagland.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know how he feels about it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I suppose.
		I have a problem with Richard.
		I used to be a big fan of his, and I still am, but he really pulled the plug on something.
		The man had NASA backed into the ropes better than any price fighter could do.
		And I was going, yay, Richard, because in his first tape, he really had them on the spot.
		They were under pressure.
		I watched them sweat.
		That was so much fun.
		And then Richard kept going on and on with his theories and stuff.
		And what happened was it started a discreditation in the 3D world, and he gave them an exit ramp, which they took.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, sure, they would look for any little thing to jump on.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right, all they got to do.
		Well, see, he really pointed out the face on Mars.
		He pointed out Sidonia region, and I'm telling you, that was serious, and he really had them on the run.
		But when he kept going with his series, all they had to do was the Senate committee goes, look what else he's saying, you know, the ancient civilizations, all that stuff.
		And, you know, right now in the 3D world, we haven't even proved this micro-life up there.
		NASA's now recanting their story back on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I don't dismiss the possibility there was a civilization at Woodheim on Mars.
unidentified		I think it's distinctly improbable, but the point I'm making here is that he got an exit ramp and they took it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And it killed the very thing he started.
		And I'm going, oh, God, no, he had them, you know.
		And so anyhow, other than that, I don't have any problems with it.
		But I just wish we could.
		I've been punching at them for so long, and I can't get a hole punched through that wall.
		It's just so tough.
		But let me tell you another thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but you have been out on your own limbs, David.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it reads here that you testified in front of Congress April 9th, 1997 on extraterrestrial intelligence, recovered extraterrestrial hardware and reverse engineering of downed ET aircraft.
		You claim you've been at.
		By the way, I live in Perump, Nevada.
		You know where Perump is, right?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
		All right.
		It's over the hill from Area 51.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an area they say doesn't exist, of course.
		Now, up the street from me, not very far, we've got a VFW.
		And every morning at about 4.30 or 5, they've got about 5 or 6 buses sitting there at the VFW.
		And plastered all over the side of each one of them is Area 51.
		It says it right there.
		Area 51.
		And all the people, you know, a lot of the people who live here in Veron, they work at Area 51.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one day I'm going to go up there with a camera and take a picture of that.
		But I don't really need to because we've got photographs of Area 51.
		I just got the most remarkable photograph of Area 11.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to see that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is cool.
		And it's the best one I've ever seen.
		I'm waiting for the men in black to come and get me.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Do they show the three hangers?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Are the three hangers still there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's the center hangar where I had my little right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait, let's back up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does anybody ever get into Area 51?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's a long story, Arrash.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You got time?
unidentified		Well, okay, here we go.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You remember I was building all these rockets?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, the rockets were progressive.
		They kept getting bigger and bigger, faster and faster.
		So finally, the mass and stuff I was using started changing one day with me, and I started designing a different type engine.
		I didn't really push all I could in the liquid fuel area.
		Solid propellant really was less practical than the liquid fuels in performance.
		So it's time to take a look at another engine.
		Well, there's a new, at that time, there was several other alternative engines, but NASA would never even look at them.
		I don't know why, I guess because Von Pran, he was such a good salesman.
		He sold the government on liquid fuel technology engines.
		But this engine I built for my rocket is an electromagnetic fusion containment engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
		Best way to describe it is like a chunk of the sun inside a magnetic bottle.
		And at one end, you can punch a hole through it with a type of plasma beam that you can open up the orphan field.
		And when you do that, you have the power of the sun available at SI, which we call specific energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're getting ahead of me, David.
		Okay.
		Is it a fusion reaction?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's a fusion reaction.
		You collide with the particles accelerators.
		You can collide deuterium and titanium together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you get a fusion reaction and you hold it all in a containment with electromagnetics?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Let me back.
		Okay, let's back up to the beginning of all this.
		I started working on this design, and as the years went on, I was about 15 years old, when I come to the end of my math capabilities, I just could not extend the algorithms of this thing, which would map out a containment field.
		And you've got to understand, this is 1969.
		There's no laptops, there's no CDs, no hard disks, no CD-ROMs drives.
		There's no cellular phones, no faxes, no beepers.
		All I've got is a chalkboard, pencil and paper, and a slide ruler.
		Handheld calculators didn't come out until about eight, nine years later, but essentially.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So I am down to bare bomb up with sticks and stones here, bud.
		And I've worked math, math, math until I was working something I didn't even know a name for it, really, until later.
		Y'all call it quantum mechanics.
		So in the quantum physics area where I was working in the math area, I just come to the end of my rope.
		So my science teacher, if you imagine a high school science teacher, got a deal with me.
		He looked at my math work and he took it over to some colleagues at Ohio State University.
		They looked at it and they're going, gosh, where'd you get this?
		It looks like it's from Cambridge.
		And he goes, no, man, it's from this kid out here in the cattle fields.
		So anyway, they put a stamp on it and mailed it.
		There's no other way to mail mail, y'all.
		So they mailed the thing over to Cambridge, England to a little guy named Stephen Hawkins.
		Hawkins takes a look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve Hawkins.
unidentified		Yeah.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And he finds it interesting.
		And three weeks later, I'm taken to Ohio State there on my summer vacation to see some people.
		And my saint teacher takes me there.
		Morris Martin takes me there.
		And we get there and we go in a room.
		First thing I see is all my maps scattered all over the drawing boards and I kind of get a little upset about that.
		I'm messing with my work and I hear this little voice yell, Your work indeed I go, Yeah And I take a close look and I went, oh somebody else's work I went besides you can change that down on the lower end of the board there and this little guy stands up with a cane he goes indeed and uh he said yo I said sure watch this so this is how you can validate this theorem so I do this this this and write this down and he goes how do you validate it and I said rocket it so
		So he went, "Holy smokes!" He said, "Have a seat." And that was Stephen Hawkins.
		And he had come to Ohio State for a couple of reasons.
		He worked with a place called Battelle Memorial.
		It's a big think tank up there.
		And I think this was 1969, just the beginning of it, or no, summer of'69.
		And we sat there and we talked for a while.
		So for about two days while he was doing some work with Battelle, I spent time with him.
		And he was a big help in the math area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And see, this is what, 30 years ago?
		Sure.
		So nobody knew anybody, you know, Hawkins.
		He was in his early 20s.
		I mean, he was still a young guy.
		But we kind of hit it off pretty well.
		He's a real nice guy.
		He was even frail then.
		And he was on a cane.
		You could tell there was something bothering him.
		But anyway, the only thing we could come up with after we got through and he was stuck in the same area I was, we'd both come to the end of our rope and the algorithms.
		Because we needed very powerful, fast computers.
		And we had nothing available at the time.
		So we could only sustain the field maybe for five seconds.
		But let me tell you, five seconds is a lifetime in a rocket engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five seconds can be a long time indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		A lot of big burn time, boy.
		And that's what we did.
		All right, David.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The rest of it when we come back.
		We're at the bottom of the hour, everybody.
		David Adair is my guest.
		And we're going to be talking about the other space program as well from the high desert near Dreamland.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Love is
		good, love can be strong We gotta get right back to where we started from Call Art Bell toll-free West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many, many months, maybe a year ago I began to talk to you about the changing weather I just got a fax from Keith Who's faxed me for a long time Who writes the following Hey Art The local ABC Channel 10 here Just had the quote And I'm quoting Doomsday winter forecast for California This was not your normal story It was
		big, bad, and scary See on the ark Keith There is an El Nino building now That is beginning to bring forecasts Of winters And rain For example In my area of the southwest Always my area, right?
		300% more than normal If that happens Keith's right Time to start the concrete boats again Oh well Was fun while it lasted, huh folks?
		Okay, back now to David Adair By the way, David On this photograph of Area 51 That I'm probably going to go to jail for There are three
		main, it looks like, hangers Two and then one kind of offset That are back from the one in the center Right The one in the center would appear to be And I'm only guessing A little larger than the other two It is That's the one you're referring to, right?
		Right All right, all right So anyway, we'll take it from where we were Okay There you are with the calculations You're talking about this new rocket motor Right And how do you get from there to Area 51?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay Before I continue I was going to say You just said something about losing weight I don't know if you really want to do that, Art Because I see mass floats better In water with 300% increase in rain coming your way You might want us to consider that Well, actually, I was smart enough to build In a pretty good place All the water runs downhill from here But I know a whole bunch of people down below me Yeah They should be building quickly I think they should pay attention to you You seem to have a handle on some things
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is no joke You know, this changing climate This El Nino The temperatures in the Pacific Even all the way up through the Bering Sea Right Scary stuff, David It's going to get worse Yeah But it's Well, we'll get off-tangent I better go back Yeah, let's try I want to find out how you got to Area 51 Okay, so with Hawking's help there Now I've got somewhat of a field stabilization
david adair ▲ ● ▼		for five seconds let me explain to you what a fusion containment engine can do and why I wanted to go that route there's only sees Hawking was working on black hole theorems and so his math and mine were like parallel they were kind of like a road going down the road where We're two separate lanes, but we're heading in the same direction.
		But we have different functions.
		He was trying to get all the theorems necessary to regulate singularities in the event horizon of a black hole.
		I'll try to make it more simple, but he was trying to prove how the black holes function.
		I was just wanting to replicate a black hole-type field because, see, when a black hole is in space, there's only one thing we know that can swallow the sun, it's gone, we never see it again.
		What is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A black hole.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		A black hole.
		So therefore, if you want to contain the field that could contain a hydrogen fusion detonation, what is it going to be?
		A black hole.
		So I was just trying to get a shell containment so I could contain this thing.
		I did it through a tutorial compressor-type cone shape in the mass waveform, and that gave me exactly what I was looking for in a containment field.
		His mass really helped me establish the waveform guides, which was necessary for that field's establishment.
		So anyhow, that was done, so I started ordering parts, and it wasn't long before I had done tapped out my resources for pulling in all the necessary materials.
		So a local congressman of the area, my local congressman in Ohio at that time was a man named John Ashbrook.
		I don't know if you remember the name.
		He even ran for president in 1972.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Anyhow, he was a pretty solid Republican congressman of the area, and he was pretty influential in Congress.
		And it was a strange relationship we had, somewhat stressed at times.
		But he really came across with some major funding.
		It was a huge amount of money, even in those days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So the reason he funded it was because he called some other people.
		They looked at what I was doing.
		They said, fund this kid.
		And he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How old were you then?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I was at this time.
		I was 16, about 16.
		I just turned 16.
		So I'm building this design and all this stuff.
		And I think Hawkins had a lot to do with it because he was sold on the idea that this thing could work.
		So anyway, funding came through.
		In addition to funding, also authorizations of congressional level came through because I needed some fuel pellets from Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
		When that happened, another person showed up at the time on the scene.
		This guy was a retired general named Curtis LeMay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Curtis LeMay.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So LeMay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I served under Curtis LeMay.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Did you really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, his parents lived in Mount Vernon, Ohio, where I lived.
		And you can look up in his Iron Eagle autobiography, flip to the back, you'll see his parents listed there in the dates.
		And there's a newspaper story done about me and my rocket, and it's Mount Vernon News, and it's the same date.
		It puts everything together.
		My mother was an LPN.
		She was LeMay's caregiver to his parents.
		It's a small world, isn't it?
		So anyhow, the congressman asked LeMay to come in and help on this thing.
		And LeMay hated retirement.
		God, he hated that.
		And he did some consulting work.
		He just couldn't find things that satisfied him.
		But he came in on his project and looked at it.
		And apparently the congressman had asked him just to interface this thing and walk it through.
		And when I met LeMay, that guy scared me to death.
		He was a big guy, kind of stogy that would go from left to right in his mouth all the time.
		And anyhow, once everything was completed and the rocket engine was done, where did you build this thing?
		The big machine shop that I had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That my dad retired from, all the from the racing enterprises.
		So when he was injured, he retired.
		We left Charlotte, North Carolina, Charlotte Motor Speedway, and we moved to Ohio, and we took our big machine shop with us up there.
unidentified		I see.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So, okay, so there's the facility, and the technical expertise was pouring through my little head, and the machine expertise was coming through dad and some other friends, and the funding came from the congressman, and the authorization clearance came from the congressman in LeMay and the airports, which primarily really did get involved in this thing pretty heavy.
		So we ended up going to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, and there they loaded the rocket and me on a C-141 starlifter, and off we went to White Sands, New Mexico.
		We get there, and another person that was a significant player in all this was Warner Von Braun.
		And he was helpful because he would send a lot of technical data.
		I got a lot with the funding I got, I could buy off-the-shelf stuff, which was really nice, state-of-the-art at the time.
		I could get the altimeters, I could get the generators, thrust vanes, I could go on just all the stuff that goes inside a rocket.
		But the difference in this thing was the cyclotron detonator area, which was basically the heart of this engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, how was all this funding managed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it just dump into a bank account for you?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, the way they did it, they run it under an educational grant, and it would come through, and Congressman's office would handle the disbursements.
		All I would do is just turn out the requisitions to him, and I would already know where I needed the stuff.
		So he would work the paperwork through.
		You know, I'm only 16.
		I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're all right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		This is the same thing.
		I'm not into all this stuff.
		I'm just trying to build an engine, period.
		And then the congressman jumped in.
		He was really helpful in that area.
		And so he supplied the logistic reports, which I'm sure he was doing that to cover his butt, because he would have to show this eventually, I guess, in some kind of physical report.
		But I just stayed focused on the engine and the designs and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you went to White Sands?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we ended up at White Sands.
		We land there.
		Von Braun told me, be careful of some people I might run into, and he kind of gave me some warning about some things.
		And even LeMay stayed back at Wright Paris, and he told me if be careful.
		He said, boy, you're getting in some very touchy area.
		And he said, you could be in trouble.
		What did I do wrong?
		Actually, you did nothing wrong, but it's what you're building that could be a real problem.
		So it started getting a little, I could sense something was not right.
		So I had told my dad previously that he always smoked a pipe.
		And I said, if anything goes bad, and I call you, hey, you just light your pipe, take it easy.
		I want you to burn everything in the shop and lab, everything, tear up the models, the prototypes, just crush nothing left.
		So he understood that part.
		So we end up at White Sands.
		I get there at White Sands, and it's now June 20th, 1971.
		And I'm now 17 years old.
		And we prepped the thing for launching, and the Colonel told me that there may be a plane coming in.
		And he said, if it's a black plane, he said, we may have some interesting people.
		Well, sure enough, this black DC-9 comes in, and out steps all these people in suits with mirror sunglasses.
		And the Colonel's going, oh, God, DOD.
		And I went, what is Dodd?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is Dodd, you know?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he says Department of Defense.
		Of course.
		And this one guy stepped out.
		He was an older guy, just silver white hair and blue eyes, wearing a little khaki outfit.
		And I recognized who he was.
		My von Bon showed me pictures of this guy before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who was he?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Name is Dr. Arthur Rudolph.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You ever heard of him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard the name.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you should.
		He's the senior design, chief architect of the Saturn V engines of the Apollo program.
		And he shows up.
		I thought that was interesting.
		So he comes over and I ask him, hi, what's your name?
		He gives me a name like Henry Wilkerson, the snow-white hair, blue-eyed guy with a German accent, and his name's Henry.
		And I'm maybe 17 at the time, but I'm going, there's nothing wrong with this picture.
		But I just knew who he was anyhow, so I knew, well, he's not telling me the truth already.
		So I asked him, what do you do?
		And he goes, oh, I just go around looking at things for a friend of mine now and then.
		I thought, oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we get up.
		Blackney C9.
		We just buzz in.
		Yeah, sure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm 17.
		They think, yeah, you know, just naive kid here, and I'm just going along with it.
		I may be 17, but I'm about 45 years old inside.
		So I'm picking up all these adult engine windows that they're just passing right by me in front of me to one another.
		I thought, okay, I'll just be dumb.
		So anyhow, when he asks, can I see you inside your rocket?
		I said, sure.
		So he's on one side of the rocket, I'm on the other.
		I slide open the panels.
		And he looks down at the engine.
		When he's looking down, I lean over right in his ear and I go, in proportional size, it has 10,000 times the power of your F-1 Saturn V engines, Dr. Rudolph.
		Man, he straightens up real fast.
		He looks white.
		And then he gets real angry.
		And he asks, who am I?
		I said, I'm just a kid that builds rockets in Ohio and I'll launch them in a Calfield, you know.
		So I never really talked to him.
		The Air Force people went ahead and we started prepping the thing for launch.
		So the rocket takes its place on a pad about 12 miles away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And it fires up.
		And Stephanie was right about something.
		He said, I'm not sure about this power curve.
		And I went, you know, Mr. Hoggins and I, I absolutely agree.
		I'm not sure about this either.
		Because when the engine took off, it was a little bit more than I was expecting.
		It left so fast we didn't see it.
		Have you ever tried to see a rifle bullet leave a barrel?
unidentified		No.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Kind of hard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have seen slow-mo pictures of rifle bullets leaving muzzles, but I've never seen one.
		No, of course not.
		Not a rigorous thing.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what it's like trying to see this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying it took off that fast?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You can't see it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You never did see it when it leaves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Straight up.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It left so fast.
		The blast out of that thing was a concussion wave that made it all the way to the bunker where we were.
		And right at the second of ignition, the flames went to the light of an arc welder.
		And I knew what happened.
		Boy, the detonation took place, containment fills up, and the desert floor is now staring up in the engine at the surface of the sun.
		So it took off.
		But these engines run hot.
		These things run about 100 million degrees centigrade.
		And any plasma physics or this type of fusion containment drive will run in those areas, the temperature range.
		So it's pretty bright.
		So bright you can't even see the exhaust.
		It's like the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what nozzle would contain such a temperature?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You don't.
		You extend the field out.
		You extend the field outside the system.
		You can do that with a tutorial system.
		If you look at it, they use that same kind of system on a fusion magnetic containment compressor for a nuclear reactor.
		That tutorial system compressor works inside the Soviet Union's Tamaka reactor, a breeder reactor.
		And that's, yeah, well, anyway, we could take Alex and explain it to you, but I can extend the field in a certain direction in a cone shape so it goes right out through the Pacific impulse area.
		And however, when I did finally catch up with my rocket, the fins, at the very outer part, they were just gone.
		They vaporized in the heat.
		I'm sure.
		It left out of there.
		But before it left, Rudolph insisted that I would change the trajectory coordinates on this thing so it came down 656 miles northwest of us, about 120 miles north of Las Vegas in an area called Groom Lake.
		And that's the only name I ever heard.
		I never heard of anything here in 51, but they always called it Groom Lake back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's Groom Lake, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this thing was...
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It had a guidance system, sir.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		University of Von Braun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So at that point, you'd never heard, you didn't know what Groom Lake was.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't know.
		The only thing I thought was kind of strange, I told them, Look, I launched out a count seals for the last five years.
		I could bring this thing right down on our little heads.
		We don't have to want more than a thousand-yard spectrum thing.
		Why are you guys shooting this thing so far out?
		You know, we're they said, just do it.
		I said, they got a little bit upset.
		I went, fine.
		So, I did what they wanted.
		When it was confirmed it landed there, they said, get on the DC-9.
		And I'm getting on the plane.
		I go, you know, this may be stupid on my part, but let me point something out.
		You got strut and rubber tires under this wing.
		You see them sitting there?
		We're going to land in a dry lake bed.
		This thing's going to bury up to his belly.
		They told me, don't worry about it, kid.
		Get on board.
		So we get on board.
		And our 40 minutes later, we're there.
		And sure enough, don't worry about it.
		Twin 10,000-foot runways with interconnecting taxiways and a 42,000-acre Air Force base there.
		And it's not on any of my maps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not on any maps.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I'm going, what is this?
		And they said, they wouldn't answer.
		You know, everybody's quiet.
		I was like, oh, God, here we go.
		So we land.
		And at the very south end of the area, it's down there below the end of the runway zone out a little further.
		I can see my parachutes of my rocket.
		And it's just a nice soft impact.
		So there we're sitting there.
		I thought, well, let's go look at my rocket.
		I can't wait to see it.
		This is exciting.
		And so I started to walk toward the rocket.
		And then these guys with these little cute little hats and scarves that they wear grab me and throw me in this golf cart looking thing.
		And we take off riding, but we head toward these really weird-looking hangers.
		They're low.
		They're lower than most hangers, but they're big.
		They're really deep and white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And it's got these weird-looking lights on top.
		Did they show that?
		There's a real strange looking lighting system on that thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can make out something, but it's...
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And it's just really strange-looking lights.
		And they're all across the roof line of all the hangars so they could flood that whole apron area up.
		I just, you know, I just happen to have things.
		I guess I'm curious about how do you make these things work.
		But we went for the center hangar.
		It's a little bit bigger.
		We got inside.
		It's about the size of four football fields in a square.
		And we're sitting there, and everything's just an empty hangar.
		And I thought, well, this is cool.
		This is nice.
		They showed me a nice empty hangar.
		And we're sitting there.
		Nobody's saying anything.
		And then these lights come on.
		They look like the old police lights.
		They call them party hats.
		And they start flashing.
		And then out of the floor comes all these little chains that make like a guardrail.
		And they come across the door areas even smaller.
unidentified		Wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out of the floor came what?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen on a carrier when an elevator goes down on a hangar deck, you see these little chains come up out of the floor?
		Yes, yes.
		That's what this thing did.
		So all these things came up, and I thought, I've never seen that before.
		I'm like, wow, that's neat.
		I wonder what that's for.
		But I'm not sure that the whole floor, this giant thing drops out from under us.
		It's an elevator.
		And we're going down.
		And it's, I mean, it's a huge, oh my god, it's the biggest platform I've ever seen.
		And the first thing I thought of is, man, what in the world are you using taking this thing down?
		Because you can't use cables or change, you know, like an elevator.
		Sure enough, looked over in there and there's huge worm screws.
		A worm screw is the thing that turns the lipstick.
		When women turn their lipstick, get the lipstick come out.
		That's a worm screw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold that thought.
		We're at a very critical juncture here, so we'll be back to you after the break.
		David Adair is my guest.
		And if you want to know the hangar he's talking about, take a look at the picture.
		In fact, grab it, the Area 51 picture that I've got up on the web right now.
		Before somebody grabs it from me, you'll see the center hanger he's talking about, right-hand side of the photograph.
		Absolutely incredible.
		This is CBC.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		My guest is David Adair, and this is getting absolutely wild.
		David, as a young child, was a rocket scientist.
		Building rockets.
		Eventually, he began consulting with Stephen Hawking.
		People of that caliber.
		Built a rocket engine, a fusion engine, took it to White Sands.
		I'm going through this very quickly now.
		Launched from White Sands.
		It came down in a place known as Groom Lake.
		His rocket came down in Groom Lake.
		They put him on a black DC-8 black, of course, right?
		And transported him from White Sands to Groom Lake.
		David got out of the airplane, tried to go to his rocket, was prevented from doing that.
		Taken to the center hangar at Area 51.
		center hangar, the one in the middle.
		I've got a picture of Area 51 up there for now until they get me.
		So you go up there and look, and you'll see the center hangar.
		That's the one he's talking about.
		Big hangar.
		I'll tell you how big in a moment.
		Went inside, and the uh, the hangar was empty.
		Suddenly, the floor began to lower just like that of an aircraft carrier.
		It was a gigantic elevator.
		And that's where the story will be picked up in a moment.
		I just condensed two hours.
		David Adair is a very, very interesting individual.
		Yes, area 51.
		Go take a look at that picture.
		Couple of announcements.
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unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In this photograph of Air 51, you can tell the person was hiding behind a rock that took it.
		You can't get that close anymore to get this kind of photograph.
		That's up on my website.
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		All right.
		This is an incredible story.
		Absolutely an incredible story.
		You know, David Adair testified under oath in front of Congress April 9th, 1997 about what I guess you're about to hear.
		So remember that.
		He testified under oath to Congress.
		David, welcome back.
		All right, so here you are in this middle hangar, and the floor starts dropping.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and as St. Well, I was going to mention before we get started.
		Yeah, absolutely right.
		This is a story that I told Congress.
		And I'm under oath.
		I'm facing 20-year federal prison for perjury, if I lie.
		And they assigned a little task force of their own to do paper trails.
		And I'm off the hook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who called you to testify in front of Congress?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Stephen Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Stephen?
		Oh, of course, Dr. Greer.
		I've interviewed Dr. Greer many times.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they've got a huge...
		I went for it.
		And it's just possible that we might get a disclosure on information.
		And that's why for 27 and a half years, I did not tell a single human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Nope, I understand.
		All right, let's continue with the story.
		So the floor is dropping in this hangar.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It went down, and I was looking at the worm screws.
		They're huge.
		They must be about in diameter.
		They've got to be the size of a semi in diameter.
		And they're giant.
		There's 12 of them.
		And they're lowering this floor down.
		And we're going down rather quickly.
		And the floor must weigh hundreds of tons.
		And the worm screws can carry tremendous loads.
		Whatever they roll out on this thing is pretty heavy.
		So we go down, I guess, about 200 feet.
		And so we get down, and boy, the floor flushes out.
		And there's this hangar bay down there.
		It is so huge.
		It's like a rainbow roof design.
		But the walls kind of, they don't really curve.
		They taper at an oblique angle.
		And all the labs and the shops and the work bays are built into the mountain underneath, so the center bays are open and they're not obstructed by anything.
unidentified		It's huge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds just like ID4.
		Independence Day.
		Independence Day.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember when they took the president and so forth and everybody went into Area 51?
unidentified		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Whoever did that movie, they got somebody to come out to talk because some of that stuff was correct right down to the door handles, the way it looked.
		But the lighting, they kind of missed the light.
		The lighting was really neat.
		This was in kind of an iridescent, indirect lighting.
		I really couldn't see where the light sources were, except it was just like panels throughout the entire roof system.
		But we went down this huge bay.
		It just stretched, looked like forever.
		And you could park three or four, well, you could park about half a dozen 747s down there and not be in the way of anything.
		I mean, this thing's just huge.
		And we were in a golf cart, and once we got flushed out with the floor, we took off and we went down to there.
		And we were just going down through the hangar area.
		And all the workshop bays doors were closed when I was going through there.
		So I really didn't see anything other than a couple interesting aircraft.
		I did see an SR-71 sitting there.
		The XB-70 was there.
		Do you remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		There was two of them built.
		One crashed, the other one now is in the museum in Lake Patterson.
		One of them was sitting there.
		There was a couple other experimental aircraft I just didn't recognize.
		They looked like a teardrop.
		And the front blunt part of the teardrop would be the forward section that would be moving forward through the air.
		And I've never really seen anything quite like that since.
		But we went on down through the air and we got to this one big set of doors.
		It's like a workbay area.
		They got out and turned the dials and the thing unlocked and the doors slid open.
		And I thought, well, this is going to be interesting.
		I guess whatever it is they want to show me, it's in here.
		So we get in and as soon as the doors open, the lights came on automatically.
		Nobody had to turn any switches on.
		And it's the way that room was lit that was really interesting.
		The lights were the entire length of the room, and they went into a rainbow-type arc.
		Best way to describe that is something you can relate to, a paint booth that you paint cars in.
		There are no shadows cast in a paint booth.
		If you paint a car and you've got a shadow, you could get a run in the paint and not see it.
		This room was lit the same way.
		There was no shadows anywhere on the floor.
		And I thought, boy, that's interesting.
		And so anyhow, there was this big thing, whatever it was, sitting on a huge platform-type table.
		And it looked to be about the size of a, under the tarps, about the size of a school bus or a greyhound.
		And they pulled the tarps back, and my engine is about the size of a football in my rocket.
		When they pulled these tarps back, here sits a thing that's a twin of my engine, but it's the size of a school bus.
		It's an engine.
unidentified		Oh, my.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going, holy cow, man.
		And I was kind of definitely impressed and kind of disappointed.
		I thought I had an edge on this engine, but obviously I didn't.
		And they pulled it all back and they asked me to take a look at it.
		And I went, God, this is fantastic.
		Look at the size of this thing.
		So they said, yeah, we've got some problems with it.
		We want to know if you could give us some clues on some things.
		And I started thinking, well, you know, is this your engine?
		They go, oh, yeah, our people have been working on it, but the people working on it are somewhere else right now, and we'd just like to have your input.
		And I'm going, something's wrong with this picture.
		I'm like, okay.
		So I asked him, I said, you know, we're getting ready to launch Apollo 14 at this time.
		This is June 20th, 1971.
		And I go, why is the Cape using liquid fuel engine when you guys got this thing?
		And they said, well, we've still got some problems with it.
		And they said, you do want to help your country, don't you?
		He said, son?
unidentified		And I went, yes, sir, I do.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You know, I listened to Anita Bryant.
		And so I just played along, you know, okay.
		Yes, sir, I'd be glad to help my country.
		So they said, fine, why don't you take a look at this thing?
		And I walked away, you know, yeah, you lying.
		So I get to the engine, and the first thing I notice that's really strange is there's a shadow in the engine.
		There's no shadows on the floors anywhere.
		So how can we get a shadow on the engine?
		And it's a silhouette of me.
		So I back away from it.
		It dissipates.
		I get up closer and it gets very defined.
		I thought, well, that's interesting.
		So I reach out and I told the guy, I said, well, I need to crawl up on this thing and take a look at it.
		He said, fine, but be careful.
		So anyway, I put my hands on this thing, and there's these outer panels, which I guess they're like cooling baffles, is the configuration of the thing is different.
		Let me try and explain it.
		If my engine is the old rear-driven engine car from Detroit, that's a power plant, and you see where the powertrain is.
		The new cars are side-driven, and the powertrain flow is different.
		Both are engines, but the powertrain flows are different.
		That was our differences in our engines.
		Their power flow was completely different the way they rounded the plasma drives.
		So anyway, when I put my hand on these panels, which were almost translucent, the minute my hands went against the metal, you could see through these panels somewhat, you could see this real neat energy-type swirls coming off wherever my skin was touching it, going out through the metal.
		So I pulled my hands back and I go, it stopped.
		And I put my hands back on it, and you see the swirls again.
		I thought, wow, heat recognition alloy.
		Gosh, I didn't know we even had that.
		I don't think we did.
		So anyhow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you think you were staring at something not of our technology at all.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I already knew before I even got up to it, this thing is just, it's not ours, it's not theirs, meaning Soviets, it's something else.
		And they're not telling me the whole story on any of this.
		And you were there because you had built something that's almost like a baby twin of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A baby twin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I now understand why you were at Area 51.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Now you know why they routed my rocket there.
		Because now they have my rocket and me on that base.
		And it's not good for the camper right now because I'm crawled up on top of this thing and I see what the problem is.
		Once I get up on top, the engine start walking down it, which I mean, it's a rush.
		I mean, you build something that's almost like it, but it's only the size of a football.
		Now you're walking on the same design.
		Yeah, Jess, I mean, you just had to be there to appreciate this.
		But right in the center.
		See, our power flows run like an infinity circle.
		We build the power flows in an infinity design.
		That's how I can get a gravitron field to stabilize and then hold the containment field.
		Right where the figure eight crosses each other in the center, a good description, somebody once said it's like the eye of the hurricane, and it is.
		That's where the main core drives are, and this thing had a core breach.
		It dropped its field, and the alloy of this engine is now exposed to 100 million degrees centigrade.
		It vaporizes everything.
		The blast is going outward, but the fail-safe system of this design is when that thing field goes down, it shuts its own power off in a nanosecond, in a billionth of a second.
		So imagine an explosion starting, but it implodes on itself to snuff itself out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's like a pulse.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That's right.
		And so anyhow, it takes this pulse and it stops.
		It just shuts itself off.
		And so the blast only went out about four feet in diameter, vaporizing everything as past as it's blowing outward, but it stops.
		So there's this four-foot diameter hole in the center of this engine.
		I yelled down to them.
		He's had a core breach.
		And I said the containment fields went down.
		And they went, well, what kind of containment fields?
		I said, well, it's a graviton field of electromagnetic generators.
		And they're looking at me and I'm going, you know, I'm going, this is not their engine.
		So I looked at it a little bit closer and I told them, boy, I said, the firing controls, there's no circuitry on this thing.
		They go, yeah, you want to explain that to us?
		And that's when I looked at the thing for a minute, and there is no wiring on this engine.
		I had almost five miles of wiring on my football side engine because there's so much I had to contain in the control circuitry.
		This thing doesn't have any.
		The reason it doesn't have any, there's something strange, though, that's all over it.
		It looks like there's these little tubes, like fiber tubes, but they've got a liquid in them.
		They're cascading all over this thing, and right at the very top of it is a big center trunk.
		And I'm going, this looks real familiar.
		I said, where's, oh, I know this pattern.
		It says brainstem and the cascading fiber nerves coming off of it.
		All the tubing looks like a big brainwave pattern.
		And I went, this is surgery.
		So I started to turn around and tell them something, and I told them, they started to ask some basic fundamental questions.
		Finally, I just had enough, and I said, we have an expression back where I come from in the South.
		This ain't any from around the neighborhood, is it, boys?
		And they're looking at each other, and I went, let's do some assumptions.
		This is an engine.
		It come out of a craft.
		Where's the craft?
		If it's got a craft, where's the oxygen?
		God does what he did with those folks.
		And so they got angry.
		And the two guys have been pulling me around like a puppet and are heading up there to pull me off of it.
		No, I said, I'm getting down.
		So I get down, and right where I'm getting off, I'm really angry at this time.
		And my hands are on those translucent panels.
		It's not the nice little swirls anymore.
		You know what it is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is where we hang them up.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, this is some kind of story.
		My guest is David Adair.
		He's in Area 51.
		You're with him right now.
		And I have no idea what comes next.
		None at all.
		Absolutely incredible.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and we've got David Adair here in this every bit as good as Independence Day.
		Oh, Matt.
		Did I manage to leave you at a hangpoint or what?
		I just got a fact.
		Art CBS is going to do a story about the creator of the Beijing Radio on Wednesday at 6 o'clock news.
		Really?
		I'm not surprised.
		The Beijing is revolutionary.
		If you want one, they're going very quickly.
		Bob Crane is the only guy who's got it.
		Number is 1-800-522-8863.
		Or wait and see it on CBS.
		Of course, then probably they'll all be sold out.
		The hangar we're talking about is in the picture of Area 51 that's on my website right now.
		It's the middle hangar that you're hearing about.
		Back now, I wouldn't stop this story for all the tea in China to David Adair.
		My, my, my, my, my.
		Pick it up right where you left off.
		There you are.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I was getting down off the engine, and this time when I put my hands on the panel, I'm really angry with the situation because I just realized a lot of things at one whack is that here's a technology that is so advanced and it's being kept secret.
		Nobody has that right to lock this kind of knowledge up from everybody.
		I mean, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that was part of it, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it at that point usable knowledge?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if it's sitting there broken.
		It's still an amazing thing to look at.
		And I mean, it validates we're not alone.
		And here they're lying.
		So I'm just really disappointed.
		You know, it really was, love the country and the people.
		Boy, I'm not happy with the government at this moment.
		So getting down off the engine, I'm really upset.
		And when I put my hands back in the same area where the nice little swirls were, now they look like a hurricane or a tornado ripping through the alloy.
		And I'm going, it hit me right then.
		I went, oh, God, it's not heat-sensitive alloy.
		It's picking up something else.
		It's picking up mental waves.
		This engine is a symbiotic engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is responding to what you were thinking.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's a symbiotic engine.
		And I just realized, oh, God, this thing is a symbiotic engine.
		And I was like, my Lord, I knew right there.
		This is not ours.
		And so what the firing order is on it, the way it works, when a pilot straps into this thing or a crew member, or even if there is a crew member, this thing could be an ascentient entity of its own.
		A pilot or crew would strap in, and their mental waves would blend with this engine, and that is the firing circuit.
		That's why they couldn't find any firing circuits on a thing.
		The crew walking around is the firing circuit.
		They're like the spark plug wires of an engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going, my God, the pilot and crew merge with the ship.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		What a, you know, in aerodynamic engineering, that's our whit dream, because it would be unreal to be able to achieve that technology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, even back in the conventional world, they're really working on that now, aren't they?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's when I told Congress.
		I said, hard believe.
		I said, well, let me enlighten you boys about something.
		I said, let me bring you up the current events.
		Princeton University, you ever heard of them?
		They've got a department there being built with a guy named Dr. Bob John.
		And he's got a contract from McDonnell Douglas.
		You ever heard of those people?
		Well, guess what they're doing?
		They're building a symbiotic screening system to do the opposite, to keep the pilot thoughts out of the F-22 fighter, our most advanced fighter on the line right now.
		Let me explain what all that means.
		A pilot comes home, catches his wife in bed with somebody else, and he's having a really bad day, okay?
		He's got to get up in the morning and go fly this fighter.
		So he gets in the fighter, he straps in.
		This thing is so sensitive, a state-of-the-art firing acquisition controls and navigation and black boxes.
		It can actually sense what he's feeling.
		You now engage an enemy for us.
		It's something coming at us.
		You go into a 1,600-mile-an-hour dogfight.
		If you hesitate on locking controls, one half second will determine whether you live or die.
		And he's having a bad day.
		He's thinking about what he just saw, you know, when he came home.
		The controls sense that.
		They stutter for a second, and he dies.
		They are building a system to prevent that.
		Wonder where they got the idea, y'all.
		So symbiotic systems are a way that that's the way we want to go in flight aerodynamics and technology because it's the ultimate systems.
		Also, it'd be for anything, any computers, your car.
		Of course.
		It could be applied to so many things.
		But here I am standing June 20th, 1971, and I'm looking at this thing.
		And I'm going, God, it's a symbiotic engine.
		So they throw me in the golf cart and we leave.
		They lock up the doors and we're going up the elevator.
		And things go from bad to worse at this moment because I hear him talking.
		They're all upset.
		They go, well, he's not helping us right now.
		He sounds like he's not the player.
		They think I'm not listening.
		And I'm thinking about what I just saw.
		But I hear them say a term.
		It's the first time I ever heard it.
		And it was years, years later before the public heard it.
		It's called, We Need First Strike.
		You know, what's happening at that moment with America?
		We just bombed the daylights out of Cambodia.
		They're not even warranting with us.
		We're up to our eyeballs in war with Vietnam.
		General Westmoreland's just asked for surgical nuclear strikes, okay, because he's getting his butt kicked all over the battlefield.
		So if he does that, the Soviet Union has been supplying weapons into Cambodia and we just bombed it.
		That's got them upset.
		They said that if Westmoreland fires one nuclear weapon, they will go full global counter thermal nuclear war on the planet.
		Believe me, the Kremlin at that moment was not bluffing, and neither was our people in the Pentagon.
		The only reason they didn't go at each other is because of the MAD program, MAD, mutual assured destruction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only way to win MAD is whoever gets first strike.
		You take this rocket engine of mine, load warheads on it, put it in a submarine, park it off Siberia, and the only thing the Soviets will see is white flashes, not even a blip on the screen.
		They can't retaliate, they're gone.
		So you'll take out the key military bases and occupation centers, and you've done killed about a half a billion people in one day.
		You'll also have to go over and kill somebody else the same day, China.
		So I'm sitting there going, about two billion would die in this conflict if they go for a strike.
		I can't do this.
		So I have to destroy my engine.
		And that's exactly what I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You destroyed your engine.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we went upstairs, we got to the hangar bay, and when we pulled out, I got off the golf cart thing, and Rudolph was there, Dr. Rudolph.
		And I just started slobbering and boo-hooing.
		And I'm really upset.
		I said, I want to see my rocket.
		You guys are going to take my rocket away from me?
		I hadn't even got to see it.
		I mean, I worked so hard, you know, I'm crying.
		And Rudolph tells the two sorry to take him down to see that rocket.
		So just get me out of the way.
		So I'm leaning against the hangar door.
		I reach down and I put my palm on the wheel of the hangar door.
		Do you know what's on that wheel?
		Graphite grease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Graphite grease.
unidentified		Yeah.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So I put some graphite grease in the palm of my hand.
		They take me down to see my rocket.
		I get down there to see the rocket.
		I slide open the doors.
		I tell the guys, let me check this thing for a fuel leak.
		So I was checking it, and what I actually did, I reached in, I put my hand smeared across the particle accelerator chambers and closed the door and set the particle accelerators into engagement.
		Ask any physicists, what happens when deuterium meets graphite?
		Horrendous chain reaction implosions will take place.
		So I got 60 seconds before engagement as the accelerators, and I just run over to the guards.
		This fuel leak is going to explode.
		We've got to run for it.
		We get in the golf cart.
		We're taking off.
		And they go, how far do we need to get away?
		I said, I don't know.
		And I really didn't.
		Well, we get about a quarter mile away, and it goes off, and it blows a hole about the size of a football field.
		And there's nothing left.
		And this one was gone.
		So that's so frustrating because, you know, this engine has a lot more art than just being a rocket engine.
		Let me explain what this thing is doing.
		It's not designed to be launched from Earth to space.
		It's designed to be launched from Earth orbit into space because it's a principle that we use in Newtonian laws.
		For every action, there's an opposite equal reaction in space.
		Absolutely.
		All right, so the matter of a fusion reaction is coming off this same specific impulse, its orphan.
		It's how fast is the matter moving in a hydrogen reaction?
		186,756.54 miles per second called speed of light.
		In just a couple minutes, that shift will equal the velocity of the exiting thrust, which means we have light speed capability.
		June 20th, 1971.
		So pistoling is gone, and we get back up to the hangar.
		Rudolph asks, what happened?
		The guard said, well, he said it was a fuel leak.
		Well, Rudolph just walked, showed you how sharp he is.
		He walks over and looks at me.
		He's looking at me real close.
		And he grabs my hand and looks at it and sees grease.
		He knows.
		And I'm like, oh.
		Rudolph looks at me right in the eyes, those cold blue eyes, and he goes, you will be here for the rest of your natural life.
		Lock him up.
		And they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They locked you up.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		They locked me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jail at Area 51.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And let me tell you something about little Mr. Rudolph.
		Check your history on this guy.
		On May 24th, 1985, he was deported back to Munich, Germany, although he carried the Distinguished Service Medal from NASA, the highest award given.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		The Mossad put him away where he rotted and died over there because that man killed 100,000 Czechoslovakian Jews while they were building the V-2s metalburgs.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		He was a Gestapo officer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got one challenge to you on Arthur Rudolph.
		Did I hear your guest say that Dr. Arthur Rudolph, the Saturn V program manager, had wavy silver hair?
		That's rather interesting since Arthur Rudolph was bald as a billiard.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It was very...
		It was white.
		And you remember this was what?
		When was it taken?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good point.
		I don't know.
		This is a fact, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen at this.
		It is 30 years ago.
		Unless you've seen a photo of him recently, he's tall as I am.
		But in 1971, the old boy had some hair.
		And it's white.
		Check it out.
		So anyway, that's what happened to Mr. Rudolph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, they threw you in jail.
		Now, you're in jail.
		I mean, a real jail or what was that?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was just a room with no windows and just a door.
		And I'm sitting there.
		And I was there for hours.
		And then finally, there's a big commotion in the hallway.
		I don't know how I was there.
		I guess I was there probably six, seven hours, maybe eight.
		Finally, this rocket is out in the hallway.
		Door opens up, and it is a big silhouette of a guy with a stogie in his mouth.
		His name Curtis LeMay.
		LeMay came from Wright-Parison Air Force Base.
		When he lost track of me in White Sands, he then figured out, he pressed some people and found out where the rocket was downloaded at.
		So he shows up there, and it wasn't for LeMay, I would still be proppy in the Independence Day movie with Bruce Spinner.
		You know, if we don't get out much around here, that was a really uncomfortable statement for me.
		I could have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did you get out?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		LeMay took me home.
		You got to understand where LeMay's at.
		He's the former head of SAC Strategic Air Command.
		That's right.
		And so from Wright-Patterson, it has jurisdiction over Groom Lake.
		And he put everybody in their positions before he left.
		So he may be a civilian at that moment, but it's still a four-star general that's really pissed off at this moment.
		So he's coming in there, ranting and raving, and he's just pushing colonels physically out of the way, get out of the way.
		And so he puts me on his jet, and we go home.
		Once we get back to Wright Paris, he drives me with the driver all the way back to my house in Mount Vernon, Ohio, where his parents are and my parents.
		And he told me, boy, if you want to have any normal life, you have got to not build another rocket.
		And I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you haven't today?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you went in front of Congress and told this story.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, I'm curious, what kind of reaction did you get when you told this story?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, one of the senators came up to me and says, in the name of God, which one of these things do we tackle first?
		Let's see.
		You're staying on top of an alien engine inside an airport base that doesn't exist with a twin engine that you've built that matches the alien craft engine.
		I went, yeah, it's three different ones.
		Which one do you want to pick and work on first, pal?
		You know, I personally don't care whether people believe me or not.
		I lived it.
		I know it.
		And there's a paper trail that satisfied Congress, and here I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, only thing I know for sure is they're lying their butts off about Area 51.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they're lying about that.
		There's no question.
		Everybody, I think, agrees and knows they're lying.
		But this tale you have just told, this story that you gave in sworn testimony in front of Congress is the wildest thing I've ever heard.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It was a calculated risk on my part because they had me hanging in the wind because they could easily say we can't prove any of this or if they didn't want to or didn't check it out clear enough, you know, come up with a dozen reasons why, and I would be indicted now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, indicted, indeed.
		Has anybody, now that you're public, since you went in front of Congress, now that you're telling the story, has anybody come to you?
		Have there been threats?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Not a single threat, nothing.
		I haven't had one threat.
		I'm not being observed, not being tracked.
		I never bought into this paranoia crap anyhow.
		And gloom and doom and all this despair and conspiracy and stuff.
		I don't think it's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean you don't buy into it?
unidentified		You walked into one of the biggest ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might as well be Mel Gibson.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I don't think.
		No, I was born in West Virginia.
		I'm a hillbilly, for God's sake.
		But no, no hero anything here.
		It's just common human nature.
		We always are so quick to assume that it's just evil and they plot and they conspire.
		You know, they're human beings, they make mistakes, and they're trying to deal with a very difficult problem and a PR nightmare, and they're trying to figure a way to get out of this thing.
		And the walls are still closing in.
		And it's like I asked one congressman, I said, you know, I've never seen Congress and the Senator so anxious about this.
		You're squirming like worms out there when I'm telling you the story.
		I got a feeling somebody's coming to dinner.
		It's not Sidney Fortier, right?
		I said, are you guys looking for a welcome wagon hostess?
		You know, I think there's something happening.
		They're being pressed by something, and they've got bigger fish to fry than me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you this.
		And I was told this by a television reporter in Honolulu.
		I'm going to be interviewing Story.
		I talked to Story Musgrave here not long ago.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apollo astronaut.
		He gave a presentation in Honolulu, David.
		And at the end of the presentation, he put up a picture of an alien gray.
		And I guess without cracking a smile, he said to everybody there, these guys are real.
unidentified		That's what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These guys are real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't kidding.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen an alien.
		I've never seen a gray.
		I have never seen a UFO, you know, one flying around.
		I've never seen a spacecraft.
		All I had, I never worked Air 51.
		This is a one-day event in my life that happened 27, no, yeah, 27 and a half years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard the name Bob?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course you have, Bob Lazar.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I tell you what, that guy, he's the best articulator of physics I have ever heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You buy a story?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I would really cut him from slack, and I would because of his ability to understand physics and articulate it.
		He really knows this stuff.
		And I hadn't got all of his story, but I've heard some really interesting stuff and little cute things like he called a sports model.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sport model of social.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All in the same place you were in.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You know, I'm sitting there.
		I am not going to be throwing any rocks at anybody.
		If you live in a glass house, you don't throw rocks.
		So I don't know.
		Whatever you say, from what I've seen, man's probably telling you the truth.
		But I do know he's no dinner.
		He really knows his physics.
		The only crime I see he's committed is he's not a physics teacher somewhere.
		So boy, he can really do a good job on that.
unidentified		I know.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And I wish he'd become a teacher.
		He is a good one.
		But no, I would lead to believe everything Bob is saying at this moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think there is an entirely second-level space program all block?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's really difficult for me to buy, but then I look back at what I stumbled across, and I don't know what to think anymore.
		In order for them to do that, they can't use any conventional engine.
		They can't be using liquid fuel solids.
		You see these things might go two states away.
		You can see a plume of these rockets taken off out of the cape.
		So if they are going to come in and go on, they've got to be having entirely different type of technology.
		It's very possible they back-engineered this thing.
		I looked at it long enough.
		You got to understand, they've had 27 years to work on it.
		They could very well have developed engines like that.
		And boy, that really hurts.
		It's like I'm working with sticks and stones out here, and you've got a big state-of-the-art machine shop.
		That's the way it would be happening.
		The rest of it was a fumble around with liquid fuel technology engines, and here they've got stuff, light-speed-capable engines.
		I mean, that's really not right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		David, we're at the top of the air.
		When we come back, I would love to let the audience ask you some questions.
		It's about time for that.
		I mean, that's a most incredible story.
		Absolutely incredible.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Shoof.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've lived it, so it doesn't seem that big a deal to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it does to me.
		Hold on, and we'll let the audience ask questions.
		Holy Matt!
		Independence Day Times, too.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Pretty woman, why?
		Walking down the street, pretty woman The kind I like to meet, pretty woman I don't believe you, you're not the truth No one could look as good as you Mercy Pretty woman, won't you pardon me, Pretty Woman?
		couldn't help but see pretty woman
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
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		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		My guest is David Adair.
		And oh man, what a story.
unidentified		What a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what?
		You've got to remember, it passed Stephen Greer's tests.
		And you've got to remember, Stephen Greer had this man testify in front of Congress.
		Let me read you a couple of faxes from Dick in Hawaii.
		Symbiotic engine?
		That's exactly what Colonel Corso described.
		This is all being verified now as different sources begin to fill in the gaps.
		From Stan Perth.
		Stan Perth.
		Stan Dale in Perth, Australia.
unidentified		Stan Perth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listening to David Adair right now, Art, I'm aware of at least, we cover a lot of ground here.
		I'm aware of at least one public patent covering the Mobius Strip Plasma Core Containment concept.
		It also utilizes a mirror field generated by induction from the spinning plasma in the core.
		Also, David, the lighting was probably a high-frequency one, much like the plasma globes sold in stores.
		The Tesla radiated field can induce nitrogen to ionize levels, which would give light from all angles, ergo no shadows, until you get too close to an object.
		That's why your hand made patterns on the engine's surface.
		It was an HF field, I am sure.
		Even if it was a symbiotic engine.
		Regards, Span, in Perth, Australia.
		So Span is verifying, as indeed possible a lot of this.
		David Adair and you and your questions shortly.
unidentified		David Adair and you and your questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to David Adair.
		And David, it's a split mix on the taxes I'm getting.
		Some people think you're totally flipped out.
		Well, other people think you're absolutely genuine, particularly Stan Dale down in Australia, just taxed me, and he is convinced that what you're saying sounds just about right.
		So are others.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, I really didn't testify for the public on this.
		I testified for the Senate and Congress, and I've let them make their decisions.
		How many people out there are willing to stand up and put their hand on the Bible and testify 20-year federal prison staring at them?
		If you think I'm lying, consider those odds I'm playing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear you.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know anybody else in the UFO community that's done that.
		And at that point, I am not a UFO ologist or researcher or whatever that is.
		I've hadn't even seen one of those things.
		I work in the hard science world.
		That's where I've been for the last 20 years.
		And the only thing I've observed about the UFO community, why do they do so much infighting with each other?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, I know.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to the technological.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, let's see what we get here.
		First time caller align, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in West Lockett, Indiana, Purdue University.
		Okay.
		David, when I was 17 and 18, I won two major awards, one from the Navy, Navy Science Cruiser Award in 68 at Regional Science Fair for a containment of fusion using, instead of just the magnetic bottles that were around at the time, using shockwaves.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And I worked with a professor, with a doctor, of research at Standard Oil of Indiana.
		And his research lab was in Whiting, Indiana at the time.
		Dr. R. E. Propes.
		He was working only as a front for Standard Oil to exchange business, to exchange industrial secrets.
		He was German.
		He worked on an atomic bomb in Germany.
		And he's deceased since March of 83.
		But he and I worked very closely.
		He secured patents, international patents, in German for me.
		And we worked on this project from 1967, 68 to 69.
		I know what you went through, but I never got as far as you got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you believe him, Colin.
unidentified		I believe him.
		You know why I believe him?
		His conscience.
		He destroyed the machine.
		I know how interested the military was, because that's what gave me my award.
		The Navy.
		Vietnam.
		It's going on.
		April 1968.
		Here, I'm all over all the major newspapers from Chicago to Gary, Indiana, with a naval officer awarding the biggest award I could win in a Cadillac Regional Science Center.
		I'm way ahead of them.
		They don't know what I'm talking about.
		They know they can get electricity, power, from this.
		But I also knew at the very time that the Soviets had used my same spherical device to detonate a clean thermonuclear explosion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, we're about out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any questions?
unidentified		David, how is your life at this very moment?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		That's a very good question.
		After all of that, now here you are, an adult, David.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is your life?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's pretty successful in the 3D world.
		I work as a technology transfer consultant.
		I have for the last 20 years.
		And on a couple homes, I've done well.
		And I've never ever had an incident with the military or the government or anything after that.
		It's like, sometimes it's like a dream.
		You just store it away and forget about it.
		One thing that is parallel with you and I. The Air Force in 1971 gave me the most outstanding field of engineering sciences from the Air Force, and I won that in 1971.
		And you can check that out.
		That's interesting.
		You and I kind of run the same parallel in those areas in the science fairs.
		And I went to the national and international arena with that rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're blowing a lot of people away this morning, I'll tell you that.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, my name is Jim from Los Altos, near the Santa Cruz Mountains area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm actually from near the Fidgetman, and I can really identify with that guy.
		But I wanted to talk with your guest, David, about a real specific part of artificial intelligence and AI that he talked about.
		He said something that led me to believe that he recognizes an existing artificial intelligence.
		Now, personally, I've always thought AI is about 20 years away.
		And I've talked to some people at UC Santa Cruz who are kind of on the leading edge of this.
		But if you can give some examples of where AI is really used today, I've read a lot of science fiction about it, and I'd like to see where it is today.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know of any AIs that exist right now.
unidentified		I think maybe Visa uses it to make credit applications, but go ahead.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		The closest thing I know of is Georgia Tech doing the Star Wars defense mechanisms in their computer acquisition.
		They're pushing harder than anybody I've ever seen.
		They've got to have it or their system's not going to work.
		And they told me it's a pencil problem at this point.
		It's not a hardware problem.
unidentified		Are you familiar with Turing, the Turing question?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
unidentified		Well, Robert Turing was one of the pioneers in the AI field.
		A guy named Marvin Minsky has written about him quite extensively.
		But Robert Turing, back in the 60s, proposed the kind of like the quintessential question about whether AI exists or not.
		And the question is, if a human being was talking to a microphone and there was a computer or a human behind that microphone, when you get to the point where the human being can't tell the difference between the computer and the human, that's when you really have AI.
		And I've also, from a corporate standpoint, delved into it a bit.
		There's a guy at UC Santa Cruz that has written the test program.
		It's not anything on the level of the IBM thing this year.
		But this guy wrote this test program, and he's pretty good about beating computers in tests, but the computer is the AI that decides how to play the test game.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And, you know, I think it's really just more of an academic field at this point.
unidentified		I'm very, very curious about it from a mathematical standpoint.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'm more curious on a philosophical level, I guess.
		It's really not my area.
		I'm just curious.
unidentified		Well, the Turing question, that really is the essential question of artificial intelligence.
		And the Turing question, you know, as I said before, it says when you can create a computer-based essentience or intelligence that can fool a human being, then you finally arrive at the goal.
		And I think we're a few years off from that, but I think that's a good test of the question.
		I think the rest of your story is just great.
		I just want to say, Art, as far as these kind of guests that you have on, I really believe these people because these people, they're not coming from the left field.
		These are real people.
		You just happen to have them on your program.
		I got on here.
		I just happen to be on here.
		And we're all telling our story.
		And I'm going to get off here, but I just want to say I'm really behind your guest, and you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much for the call.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		This is Wendell.
unidentified		I'm going from Displains, right outside of Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Windy City.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder with the coming weather how much windier it's going to get.
unidentified		It was pretty windy over the weekend, and we battened down the hatches, believe me.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		Had several questions, actually, for your guest.
		David, how are you?
		Fine.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		How are you, Dad?
unidentified		I'm fine.
		Thank you.
		A little tired, but I caught the show on the drive home, and I didn't want to go to bed just yet.
		I find your story just incredible.
		It's fascinating.
		It's kind of unbelievable, but I do believe it.
		It doesn't surprise me at all that the government would be involved in this type of research and then try and cover it up for 20 or 30 years.
		What brought you to tell your story at this time?
		Where are you going in this direction?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Stephen Greer had a lot to do with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did he find you?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		People heard I was real quiet about it, but about nine months ago, I talked to a few friends.
		That was the first mistake, about something that happened with me, and I really didn't give a lot of particulars on it.
		But it's definitely UFO technology, and that's really rare because I've really very rarely talked about it.
		I've mostly talked about space industrial applications and how we can do that type of manufacturing in space.
		But it came up, and I answered some questions about it, and some people got a feeling it says a lot more than he's saying.
		So they called Greer, then Greer called me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did Greer vet you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how did he dig into your story?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, I felt like I went to a fifth with the guy.
		He had hundreds of questions.
		We talked for about two solid months before the testimony.
		And the more he would ask, and he'd ask things and come back and ask more things.
		And I'd send him paperwork, then he'd ask this, and I'd send paper trails.
		And finally, he must have a file button nine feet thick on him now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet he did, because to take this story to Congress, Greer had his butt on the line big enough.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		The boy really stepped out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Greer is one serious guy.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		He's very serious, not to be taken lightly about it.
		And that was one of the things that pulled me toward him because I have nine medical doctors in my family.
		And, of course, he's an ER doctor.
		And so I just know how they think and feel and how they operate.
		And I could deal with that.
		And I mean that in a kind way.
		But he just finally started just correlating everything together.
		And he just said, there's just too much cohesion here.
		It's just everything is starting to stick together.
		And you're checking out on stuff.
		And then he just finally said, you've got to testify.
		And I drugged my feet up until four days before the testifying was to take place.
		And I finally said, okay, I'll go.
		And they sent me a plane ticket and off I went.
		But the thing that really got me to answer the question why I did it now is because Greer wasn't sure enough, but he really had this feeling they might do a major disclosure at this meeting.
		And I was sitting there knowing what I went through.
		I thought, God, if I don't go and I miss a full disclosure behind closed doors and I had a chance to hear it, I just couldn't resist it.
		And so I'd take the oath and take the risk and see if they were going to make a full disclosure.
		And maybe I would hear more about what I saw a long time ago.
		So that's really what pulled me into it because curiosity killed the cat maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know Dr. Greer to be an incredibly careful person.
		And I'm sure that you wouldn't have been in Washington without being fully vetted.
		So everybody in the audience has got to keep the bit certainly better bear that in mind as they try to judge your story.
		That is incredible.
		Caller, anything else?
unidentified		Yeah, what exactly, or why was Congress actually investigating this that they brought you in and testified?
unidentified		Do you think there's a hidden agenda there?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I couldn't figure out what it was because they looked as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
unidentified		Kind of afraid of what they might hear?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm like, you know, this is strange.
		Why are these people stepping out of line doing this?
		They don't have to do this.
		That's the thing that really struck me.
		Congress Senate does not have to do this.
		But they went ahead and set up an official hearing, first time I ever knew of on this subject.
unidentified		Yeah, I've never heard anything of this.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, not this magnitude.
		I'm going, God, what kind of party is this?
		You know, and I'm going, it's wild.
		I'll pay my dues.
		I'll take the risks.
		I've got to see what's going on.
		And I don't know what their agenda was, just to see how much we need or whatever.
		And to see how far some of us would be willing to testify.
unidentified		Did you ever think to do any kind of research again in the future in this?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		God, this thing's never left my soul.
		It's quite boring with it.
		And it's kind of like Jimmy Connors would play tennis up till about age 17, never play again, but there wasn't a day he wouldn't think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to build another engine?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would wave the ultimate end to the question for all critics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly would be.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I am going to build it again.
		It's a matter of time.
		I'm just trying to get all my duckies in a row in the corporate arena because it's going to be a different game this time.
unidentified		You have no fear of all of the men in black knocking on your door in the middle tonight?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
		They come and get me and cart me off and I'm gone.
		You know, they shoot me, I'm dead.
		I'm out of here.
		I go back to God.
		So what?
		That's a big deal?
		You know, it doesn't matter.
		All the time you're here on this planet, you're on loan anyhow.
unidentified		Your poor life.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm incredible.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi, Dr. Adair.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Not Doctor.
		Not yet.
		I've gotten a VA and I'm on my way to master's here, but I will be.
unidentified		Sorry.
		Okay, well, listen, I have to admit that this is a highly unbelievable story.
		And you know what?
		It probably is true, but my sense of curiosity wants me to ask you to possibly, for the audience, briefly describe what happens when tritium and deuterium particle combine.
		And if you could be specific, maybe give it MEV and whatever you can just to be specific and share some knowledge with the audience just to verify in a fusion reaction.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Enormous heat energy occurs when you have your atoms fusing into that arena.
		There's also the way the tutorial design was made when the systems collide for the energy interaction with this thing.
		I got a cone-shaped effect out of the back end on the back end of the particle accelerator.
		Let me explain what the engine looked like.
		That might help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, both of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me hold you both over.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both of you stay right there.
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, relax.
		We'll be back from the high desert.
		This is CBC.
		I'm Art Bell.
		David Adair is here.
unidentified		Her hair is hollow, gold.
		Her lips sweet and bright.
		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got better days inside.
		She'll turn her music on.
		You won't have to think twice.
		She's pure as New York snow.
		She's got better days inside.
		It's a deep snow.
		This game.
		I'm going to go.
		On this island ocean, finally love us, love us, shame Turning every turn, choose the secret place inside Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		My guest is David Adair, and I'll tell you something.
		The temptation would be to say, what a bunch of bulls.
		And I know some of you are.
		But I know Dr. Stephen Greer.
		He's a really, really serious guy.
		He would have vetted David Adair very carefully before he allowed him to come in front of Congress.
		Very carefully.
		In fact, David Adair, under oath, threat of perjury and going to jail, testified to what you just heard over the last three and a half hours, April 9th, 1997.
		Behind closed doors.
		With Stephen Greer, Dr. Stephen Greer.
		So you better stop, and you better scratch your head real hard before you say, what a fish story.
		Maybe you better scratch again.
		You know, I do this every now and then, and I'm going to do it again right now.
		Every now and then, I'll pop into a chat room.
		And if you'd like to come join me, come on in.
		The water's fine.
		It's on America Online.
		All you do is log on to AOL, go to keyword, Art Bell, and that'll, you know, click on keyword and just put in my name, Art Bell, any combination, letters, however you do it.
		It'll take you over to the Periscope area, and then you go into the grassy knoll, and you'll find a whole bunch of people in there.
		whole bunch of people in there chatting, no doubt discussing this show, and saying heaven knows what.
		So by now, they believe that, yes, this show is live.
		They've been debating that in there for some god-forsaken reason.
		And secondly, in a moment, they're going to find out how it fills up.
		So come on in.
		All right, we're already getting inundated here with requests for how to get a copy of this program.
		Not surprised.
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		I'll repeat it one more time in self-defense.
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		Please write down the number if you want a copy of this program.
		It's no doubt going to be a five-hour show.
		It's 1-800-917-4278.
		The program with David Adair.
		David, we're back on the air again.
		Okay.
		Have you written a book?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
		It's not published yet.
		It's called America's Fall from Space.
		It's about 456 pages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		America's Fall from Space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how many pages?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		About 456 pages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's not published, so there's no point, I guess, in...
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I've got publishers coming at me, and I'm trying to sort through which deal I want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Which, I guess, is kind of unusual because for a first-time writer, it surprised me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't surprise me, not based on what you've said and based on what you've done.
		Caller, you're back on the air again with David Adair.
		Thank you for waiting.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, go.
unidentified		Okay.
		You know, Mr. Adair?
		Yes, sir.
		See, I know I'm sure that a million people are saying that is probably the most bizarre thing they've ever heard in their life.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame them.
unidentified		And it really is.
		I mean, and I can't see how you could make something like that up because that's just too insane to make it up.
		But can you briefly describe what led to your creation of this motor?
		What inspired you?
		What educational or interest that you had at that age that led you to design?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's an excellent question.
		Oh boy, where did I start?
		Every space sciences that I worked with, it started ever since memory started.
		I had the ability, even when I was seven, eight years old, I was working some interesting math.
		I had a flare for numbers, I guess.
		A lot of people said I was gifted.
		And I don't know about that.
		But all I know is I could do a lot of this math problems.
		And all my work that I worked with came to me in dreams of all things.
		I had an artist pad I'd sleep with even when I was a child.
		And I'd wake up sometimes three, four in the morning and write this stuff down.
		And I kept a journal of it.
		When I started building the rockets, dreams became more frequent on a regular basis.
		And so I could get help.
		Strange as that may sound, while I was sleeping, I actually got my best thoughts came through to me.
		Maybe things were quieter in my head or something.
		But I was able to write this stuff down.
		And I used to tell anybody that until Hawkins told me once that almost all of his stuff and his myth comes to him through dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, this knowledge may have come from elsewhere.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have no way of saying not.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't prove you right or wrong, that's for sure.
		But I don't know.
		All I know is that it came to me on a regular basis when I was building the thing.
		And interestingly, some of my business partners are psychologists that work in some areas in business deals with them.
		And some of these guys specialize in, two of these guys specialize in sleep disorders and other problems.
		And they had told me that at that time, they asked a lot of personal questions about what I was doing.
		And I told them I was consumed by this thing.
		It was like 18 hours a day, 7 days a week.
		I didn't kiss a girl until I was almost 18 years old.
		I never dated.
		I was totally, I don't know if you even liked me back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand consumed.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And so it was like some kind of obsession or a mental disorder myself.
		But it would not leave me alone.
		And even when I would want to do things like other things, like everybody else could play football or something like that, I just couldn't stop long enough to go do that.
		I'd be on the field and I'd have to stop because I'd have to go back to the lab.
		It just would not leave me alone.
		And so the psychologist told me that that is not a normal with sometimes you get gifted early on in life.
		And it just consumes you like a fire.
		And you're so hot at that moment.
		It's like an athlete that trains.
		They're at their peak and they're capable of great things.
		And then when you're older and you go back to try and do it, you never quite reach that peak again at that moment in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sitting there going, oh, God.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I thought, oh, I hate to think I went through this and I can't do it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, you could go that far again.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I think I could.
		I don't know.
		Maybe I can.
		I do know that it's just not like, oh, you did it once, like riding a bicycle, you do it again.
		It's a little bit more complicated than that.
		And also, it's going to change my personality.
		And I really don't know if I have a wife now and family and all that stuff.
		And I don't know if I want to go into that mode again with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It would may tear my private life up.
		And so I've been able to compartmentalize this thing for 27 years and never think about it.
		You know, and yes, people, they work on stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was the first moment you told it publicly?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Only about nine months ago.
		Where?
		It was in Asheville, North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Asheville?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Asheville, yeah.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And of all things, I went in on a friend of mine who is a professional videographer was setting cameras and lights up for something called Ekencar, which is some kind of metaphysical thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know what that is, yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Some kind of metaphysical thing.
		And I told the guy, I said, oh, God, don't tell them anything about me.
		I said, I'll just put a baseball cap on.
		I had raggedy clothes.
		And I said, I'll set your lights up.
		Just tell them I'm a roadie.
		And so we were okay until some guy sitting there, he's kind of leader, he turned around to me.
		He said, who is your channel or channeler?
		Or do you channel something like that?
		And I went, HBO, Cinemax, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got to remember that response.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I don't know.
		They asked, who's your guide?
		And I went, Tonto?
		You know, I don't know.
		I had no idea what they're talking about.
		But they asked me what I'd do.
		And I told them that, well, I'm a technology transfer consultant, and we do research in space where we can grow super electronic crystals and alloys and medical research.
		Well, the crystal things got them all fired up, and so much for the Eckencar meeting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure they went wild on crystal things.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		My friend looked over at him, and he was holding his face and seems like he's dreading it.
		And I don't know, something just struck me.
		I thought, well, this crowd is kind of remote from my life.
		I'll just throw this on and see what happens.
		That's exactly how it got out because some of these people in that crowd, Stephen Greer lives in Asheville, North Carolina.
		And some of these were his neighbors, and they went over and told him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how it happened.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's how it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
		Good morning, actually.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Philadelphia.
		All right.
		Speak up good and loud and get close to your phone.
unidentified		Okay.
		The question and answer previous was wonderful.
		In fact, it answered a lot of what I had in my head.
		But what I was wondering is if the fact that Mr. Adair, that you said that you were consumed by this, sounded very familiar to Mr. Doug Ruby's conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Didn't it?
		Now, you're right.
unidentified		It did.
		And from what you just said about not wanting your life to be changed because of your situation now.
		Well, it seems like Mr. Ruby, things are being made very easy for him.
		And the fact that you have it in your heart and soul that this information is in you and I don't think it'll ever go away, maybe it'll be made a little easier with a little collaboration with others that also are in the same or similar situation.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		What does Doug Ruby do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a long story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doug Ruby learned how to decipher crop circles, David.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By spinning them and seeing them in a third, in three dimensions, instead of just the normal.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a long story, but he was consumed with it.
unidentified		But also the fact that they were engines that he was creating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		The crop circles, David, according to Doug Ruby, actually are designs for ships and propulsion systems, much like the one you're talking about.
		My goodness.
		Yeah, it gets thicker and thicker.
		Thank you very much, Caller.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Mike Fresno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
unidentified		I have, I think it's about three questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always give credit to KFRE.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fresno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		I'm glad they got the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		And basically, having gone to school there in San Francisco, one chemistry teacher and one physics teacher set my mind into negative cancellation of waves.
unidentified		The engine you saw, you said the flow was in a different direction than the one that you designed, right?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Was that capable, do you think, of creating, since it's connected to black holes with your mathematical theory, a gravity field capable of generating gravity waves that, if out of phase, would make, would cancel, with negative cancellation, would cancel gravity as it travels?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what an interesting thought.
		Boy, now you don't.
		I won't sleep tonight.
unidentified		Now, the next thought, the next thought, that was Paul Hewitt, I think his name.
		He wrote Conceptual Physics.
		He was one of my teachers.
		And Eldridge Johnson wrote Chemical Calculations Computations.
		They taught at San Francisco, City College, but we're also out of Berkeley.
		I had some pretty good teachers.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'd say you did.
unidentified		Anyway, the next thing is, would it be capable of producing enough power, and say applied to something like Art's Parts, to turn around and over a broad spectrum, produce electromagnetic waves that would, through negative cancellation, cancel out any reflected electromagnetic waves, making it sort of invisible?
		Is that possible?
		Is there enough power in the engine like that?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It would have to change the frequency vibration of the atomic structure of the immediate environment of which it's encased in around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is really, really what they did, they think, at the Philadelphia experiment.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's what I understand.
unidentified		Martin Martz is made of some strange material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Bismuth and magnesium.
		That's some parts that I've got.
		They still haven't figured out.
		But what he was just talking about really was kind of what they were working on in Philadelphia way back when.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Didn't they wrap a coil around the ship?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I forgot the name of the ship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, they had gigantic electromagnetic coils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They had rotating RF fields.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And Tessler did that, didn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes.
		Yes, absolutely.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air with David Adair.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello?
		Is this Dairy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I thought you didn't hear East of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Atlanta.
		Atlanta, Georgia, okay.
		David, I just want to apologize for the United States for cutting you off at the kneecaps when you're 16 years old.
		They should never do that to a young man because you have a lot to bring to the table.
		I'm 44 myself, so I got to see all kinds of things when I was growing up because my dad went from the demolition business to restoring a house in Noonan, Georgia to sinking Florida with concrete before I was 20 years old.
		So I got to be around a lot of stuff myself before I was 20 years old.
		And that should have never been done to you.
		And I apologize for the United States for doing that to you.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		He shouldn't have to apologize.
unidentified		I was going to mention that there was two shows on TV in the last year, Space Above and Beyond, which was sci-fi, and Babylon 5, which dealt with the shadows.
unidentified		Did you ever see one of those shows?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I've seen some of the episodes, but I don't know the shadows that you're referring to.
unidentified		Okay, the shadows were ships that attacked them that looked like they were alive.
		And if you can ever see those episodes, because it'd be in rerun, but they had some kind of sentuine thing that was operating them.
		Anyway, Space Above and Beyond, that was a similar thing where the aliens were ships that were like alive.
		In fact, in Space Above and Beyond, they got in the ship and the ship went crazy.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can think of it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, the controls are saying they stuck their arms in the walls or something.
unidentified		Yeah, let me ask you something, David.
		Let's say that you had gone ahead and just gone with the program back there at 51, Ariel 51.
		Where do you think you would have gone with this?
		You know, would your technology have grown?
		You know, your mind was young, you were just, you know, really sharp.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It's like kind of like a delayed action stress engine for Vietnam veteran.
		It's like there's not a day to go by.
		I don't think about what if.
		I don't know.
		They would have offered me everything.
		I would have had labs.
		I would have had whatever I wanted.
		But, my God, I don't know what kind of world we would have had.
unidentified		Hey, Art?
		Yes, sir.
		Let me ask you something.
		I meant to ask you this last time.
		What happened with the coal fusion water heater?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's very much alive.
		We'll have Wayne Green on again who will talk about that, Color.
		Thank you very much.
		All right, what I want you to do, David, is just stand by.
		We'll be back to you after the top of the hour.
		This gives you a good chance to rest, all right?
		All right, good.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you can use it.
		What an incredible, incredible story.
		If you have questions for David Adair, we've got another hour to let you ask them.
		The best radio made today, anywhere in the entire world, is the Zanji NATS 909.
		That's just a flat statement.
		Now, as a matter of fact, the World Radio TV Handbook independently gave the Sanjin 909 a five-star rating and named it the best shortwave portable for 1997.
		Before they ever did, I did.
		I said, I've never seen a radio of this quality.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's the truth.
		I have never seen a radio of this quality in my life.
		It's a portable.
		It's relatively small, comparatively small, say up against the 818 CS, smaller than, certainly the Grundig Satellite 700, and probably closer to the size of the Sony 2010.
		But the important part is, it puts them all in the dirt.
		Performance-wise, it puts them in the dirt.
		I know a lot of people sitting out there shaking their heads saying, oh, come on.
		I've heard it 2010.
		Well, so have I. I've got one.
		And put them side by side.
		And the 2010, given antenna input overloads, the 909 does not.
		That's construction, baby.
		Sensitivity, selectivity, it's the very best RDS reception on FM, down to 40 hertz resolution on sideband.
		It is virtually a communications radio in the body of a portable, and a high-grade one at that.
		It is the best radio you can buy, period.
		The number to call, oh, the price, $269.95.
		And trust me when I tell you, it's worth every single penny.
		The number to call in the morning is 1-800-522-8863.
		That's 1-800-522-8863, the C. Crane Company.
		Now, one other item.
		We may have crashed, the rogue market.
		Keep trying.
		If you can't get through this morning, then by all means, tomorrow, during the day, or whenever you can manage to get through, buy my webpage, which is where the Area 51 photograph is, www.artbell.com.
		And there you will see the Rogue Market, where you can jump over, go to Talk Radio, and buy some shares.
		I'm in a very competitive situation over there, and I'm having more fun with this than I've had with anything in a whole long time.
		So it's not real money, but you can trade it like it's real money, and you can actually buy stock in Art Bell.
		So I'm saying buy, buy, buy, and the sooner you get in there, the sooner, well, the more money you make, because it's going nothing but straight up.
		Like David's Rockets.
		Straight up.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, I am here.
		My guest is David Adair.
		What a wild night.
		And I want to remind the audience once again to avoid having to answer the questions a million by email.
		I'm getting them already by facts.
		If you want a copy of this program, the number to call is 1-800-917-4278.
		You can begin calling now.
		It's going to be a five-hour program.
		1-800-917-4278.
		It'll be a classic, no doubt about it.
unidentified		Tomorrow night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, we've got a whole bunch of classics coming up.
		Tomorrow night, James Collier, he wrote a book called Vote Scam and now has written a second book saying we never went to the moon.
		Never went to the moon.
		He will be here to debate Richard Hoagland.
		That's right, Richard Hoagland, who knows damn well we went to the moon, because that's when he was working for Walter Cronkite.
		That'll be tomorrow night.
		The next night, there is a guest so sensitive that I can't even talk to you about him right now.
		Assuming that it all goes through, and you know what happens when you assume.
		The following night, from the City University of New York, a professor of theoretical physics named Michio Kaku.
		You're really going to enjoy that one.
		And then Monday, James von Prague.
		So we've got a lot of stuff on tap coming up.
		A whole bunch of stuff on tap coming up.
		It's going to be a wild time.
		All right.
		back uh...
		to david in moments Well, this is kind of a story that'll change your life.
		David Adair back on the air again.
		David, how are you holding up?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'm still here.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'm on autopilot, but I'm still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Well, we've got lots of people out there that want to ask questions.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with David Adair.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Art.
		I have a bad connection, so I'll ask a question and hang up to listen to the answer.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		David, I admire your courage and your curiosity here, and I was wondering if you thought about this aspect, that if you're going to speed of light, you're probably going a long distance and you want to know where you're going, and you're going to have to avoid some asteroids and probably stop when you get there.
		And you might want to come home, too.
		So considering the size of this rocket, the kind of craft it would have to be, and how far could it go and where could it be coming from?
		Thanks.
		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Golly.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I would...
		I have no idea.
		I can only speculate on that.
		There's no way I could possibly know.
		And I can only give you an assessment on what I saw and make some projections.
		So bear with that.
		Certainly not omnipresent knowledge here and know all speed all by any means.
		But for a craft to move like that, it's capable of light speed.
		It may be even better than that.
		I never got a chance to finish my work, but there was a secondary thing to this engine I would like to have done.
		I believed that the magnetic fields of this thing could be extended in a contained pattern outside the ship.
		If that could be done, then what you can create, since that field has the intensity of a black hole, you could create an artificial black hole around the craft.
		If that's so, then you can warp space by wrapping it around you like a burrito.
		And the shortest point between two points, like A and B, is not a linear line, but rather pull the space wrap it around you, and then it's just the thickness of those two points connecting, which on a linear plane is nothing.
		So it's kind of like a riddle that could be solved.
		How can you go thousands of times faster than the speed of light without breaking the speed of light?
		You could do that with a gravity wheel, graviton wheel like a black hole.
		Because we know that's the only thing in space that can bend light.
		When light comes out from a star and a black hole passes between us, it will actually bend the light.
		So you could bend time and space.
		And that's still only still a theory.
		There's a movie that just came out a couple days ago called Event Horizon.
		The engine that they have in there is exactly what I'm talking about.
		The way they've got it set up, though, is it's entirely Hollywood.
		It's been Hollywood ice, and it really can't do the way they have it set up.
		It'd be entirely different setup.
		But the theory and the way they explain it is good.
		But from that point on, it turns to a B movie where bad aliens taking people to eat.
		But boy, they really had a good thing going in the first 20 or 30 minutes of that movie.
		They did a good job explaining how these engines could work like that.
		I only think about it now and then.
		And so to answer your question, this craft could come from billions of light years in a fairly reasonable time that we could stand ourselves.
		Or they could have traveling for billions of years themselves.
		So I don't know what kind of timetable they have or whatever.
		But that craft would be capable of distances we could only dream about right now.
		I'm pretty sure they could be doing, could travel like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, let me take you off for a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm certain you're aware, but a lot of the audience may not be, that Stephen Greer of CSETI and his assistant have both come down with very deadly forms of cancer.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'm not aware of that.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I heard a couple rumors, and when I get home, I was going to give him a call and ask him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stephen Greer has been diagnosed with metastatic malignant melanoma.
		That's bad stuff.
		Yeah.
		And Sherry has been diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer of the right breast.
		Oh, man.
		Which has metastasized, I guess, to the lymph nodes.
		I mean, these are both really, really serious cancers.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they've got chemotherapy coming.
		Oh, God, they're going to have a hard time.
		I've heard rumors I didn't want to.
		I normally don't believe anything until I get the first source.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		God, I hate hearing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, I'm not Mel Gibson, and I don't believe every conspiracy theory comes along, and I'm not saying this is one, but I'm saying the odds against that.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Both of them coming down at the same time.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, pretty strange odds, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll just leave it there.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's a shame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I thought the audience ought to know.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		I just really thank you for the quality of your work tonight, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I have a question.
		What might I tune?
		I'm in WAI, and I have lost the current live show.
		Where might I tune to?
		And the question for your guest is if you were able to adapt this to cold fusion and not operate it a million degrees, might you be able to make the mythical greater-than-unity engine that would free all of mankind from the energy lords and gods that really run our societies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, that's a very good question.
		I cannot tell you where to tune.
		They go to their morning show, of course, as a natural course of events, caller.
		If you had a computer, you could listen to us on real audio.
unidentified		Oh, and I do, but I don't have an IP provider.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, get an IP provider.
unidentified		Is there a large clear-channel station like WAI?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there probably is.
		Try 890 Chicago.
		I bet they come roaring down there.
unidentified		I'll try it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In the meantime, his question is a good one.
		Cold fusion right now is much more of a right word.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Holy Grail?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not Holy Grail.
		Cold fusion is a much more subtle process.
		That's what I was reaching for.
		Now, obviously, if we could ever harness the kind of energy you're talking about that was used in your engine and their engine, we would have all the energy we could use, wouldn't we?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would, but I don't think you even have to go to this technology for the application.
		I was in Korea about four months ago, and there was a new science symposium there, and this scientist from Japan showed the cold fusion process that our two guys here in America came out with, and then it kind of got shot down real quick.
		I forgot the two guys that did that, if you remember who I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Pons and Fleshman.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, this little fellow over in Japan took their design and modified it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And I couldn't believe it.
		I was sitting there watching the film that he filmed in his lab in the contraption.
		And, man, I tell you, that guy looked like he's got cold fusion cooking.
		And he believes he has it, but he couldn't get the country of Japan to really cooperate with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand they backed some funding away at the last minute.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I haven't quite figured out what occurred there yet.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		He was left hanging, and I've got his card.
		I've talked to him a couple times, but he was in Korea demonstrating that.
		And since then, I've got him connected with some significant people with funding over in the people at the ESA, the European Space Agency.
		And they were highly interested, and he's now talking to them.
		But that was really fascinating.
		I mean, it looked like he had it because of the way the thing was running.
		It cranked up a lot of heat and power out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		Hello, Mr. Adair.
		Sean from Murphy, North Carolina?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my wife was born there.
unidentified		Wow.
		I was wondering, a hydrogen bomb uses a fusion reaction to detonate.
		Basically, did this rocket engine use a self-contained fusion reaction and focused it to power itself?
		Yeah, that's pretty much what I suppose.
		And how did you start the reaction?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		With a small particle accelerator.
		I didn't get a chance to explain.
		Another caller called and was asking something like that, and we really didn't get to answer him.
		I was describing what the engine looks like.
		This is not a scientific explanation, but it's pretty graphic.
		Think of two octopuses intertwined having sex.
		Okay?
		It's pretty graphic, but it's pretty accurate.
		The round parts would be on each end are the particle accelerators, and the mass of the tentacles all inner round would be the mass flow for the fusion process.
		If you look at those two, you can draw a figure eight in between them with the two round things on each end.
		And that's how I channeled the flow of the reaction process.
		So, like anything in infinity loop, the faster it runs, the more power it provides from the reaction, which feeds self-feeding its own field.
		So, what's happening is no matter how powerful it's getting inside, the field is one step above it.
		So, the field could never, the energy source could never overtake the field for containment.
		And it's in a perpetual loop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to stay close to the phone for me, Dan.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
		And it's in a perpetual loop in the figure-eight infinity pattern.
		And that's how the containment was achieved.
		I hope I answered your question.
unidentified		How do you start the particle accelerator?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Standard accelerating particles where I had an outside external flow where I had a chain reaction of a detonation, the pre-detonation that started the reaction.
		I don't know if you're familiar with how the Manhattan Project device was built.
		Have you ever seen a picture of the original H-bomb?
unidentified		Shumboat.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It looks like a soccer ball.
unidentified		Yeah.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And you had, at one time, if you had a soccer ball in 1945, it would have locked you up forever.
		Because it would have been a top-secret device.
		That pattern, remember all the wires going into that thing?
		Thousands of wires.
		Those are all mini little explosives.
		And the trick to that thing was to get all these detonations to occur simultaneously exploding inward at the same exact precise force which caused the reaction to go off.
		I used the same type of explosion if you remember me saying, I had miles of wiring in this thing.
		I had the same type of reaction on a detonation explosion that kicked off the accelerators, which then kicked off the hydrogen reaction process.
unidentified		Sort of like with a battery starting an alternator.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well said.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you, caller.
		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning, David.
		This is Terry in beautiful Northern California listening to KSRO up here in Santa Rosa.
		And I've got to tell you, Hart, I've been just thoroughly impressed with your show and the guest.
		And David has been the best one thus far that I've listened to over the last year.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You're enjoying it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's well of comment because he's had some really heavy duty speakers on there.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, it's been quite a lineup.
		But I've got to say your story has certainly caught my attention.
		And I sent artifacts requesting that you contact me about doing a movie deal.
		And in fact, I'd like to talk to you about doing the book deal as well.
		I think we've got the best deal for authors going.
		So if Art would pass that on to you.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to leave an address some here in the program, Art, where people can write to me.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		As a matter of fact, why don't we do that?
		That will settle the caller's question.
		Give us an address.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		108 Park Place.
		We're next door to Boardwalk.
		Just kidding.
		108 Park Place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Stock Bridge.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		One word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you spell that?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		S-T-O-C-K-B-R-I-D-G-E.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Georgia, 30281.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30281.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And just put David Adair.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And if you want to where in God's name that place is, I'm hanging on the edge of the outer belt of Atlanta.
		So I live in Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, David Adair, 108 Park Place.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stockbridge, Georgia, 30281.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Also, since we're in a commercial vein here, I have two places here in L.A. I'm speaking at.
		And I thought I'd get those out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why you're in L.A. Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And actually, the real reason I'm helped finishing building a house for a friend of mine.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do construction work, among other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you speaking at?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		All right, on Thursday, this coming Thursday, the 21st, I will be speaking to the Granada Forum.
		And there's a phone number you can call for information.
		It will be at 7.30 p.m.
		And the number is 818-385-4003.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And they can call that.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's an information number that they can get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to be essentially repeating the story you've been telling to?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, actually, I'm going to talk about what I really do, where I shape metal in space with sound waves.
		And we can do three-dimensional casting of metals out there.
		I'll talk about pharmaceuticals that we can make out there, the electronic crystals.
		If people want to know more about what we're talking tonight, I'll answer questions there, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and your second appearance?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Second appearance is this coming Saturday, the 23rd.
		Of all things, it's UFO Lectures of Orange County.
		It's also 7.30 p.m., and the contact number there for information is 714-760-0275.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		714-760-0275.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you gave out your address.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you like to hear from people?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Golly, that's a great question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like you don't have a book to sell yet, so.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, that's the whole thing.
		I never written anything as far as the sales stuff.
		I've just made some videotapes on all the type of work I've done.
		And my God, I can't believe how many tapes have been sold.
		I'm not used to this stuff, so I'm kind of learning as I go here because I'm just normally a normal person doing my job.
		But I would like to know from people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Think about that during the program.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a great question, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're good to that.
		All right, hold on.
		All right, if you want a copy of this program, 1-800-917-4278 is a number.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
unidentified		You're dirty, sweet, cat and black, told me back when I love you.
		You're dirty, sweet, I'm mad.
		When you're sitting in the room, you got the teeth of the hide upon you.
		You're dirty, sweet, and you're my girl.
		Get it on, bandagons, get it on.
		Get it on, bandagons, get it on.
		Get it on, bandagons, get it on.
		Call Art Bell toll-free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I'm hearing from an awful lot of people that they're hearing on network TV about what we've been talking about here for actually the last couple of years, and certainly heavily in the last many, many months.
		Echoes of Standeo, the El Niño that it's building, some of the forecasts they're beginning to give for California really are frightening.
		And it's not just California, it's the whole southwest.
		And that includes me.
		And when it rains, the kind of rain they're talking about here in the desert, it's dangerous quickly.
		Some of these forecasts are talking about 40 inches of rain.
		Days and days and days of unending rain.
		We're going to have to get a climatologist on there, and we will do that.
		But this is a quickly now building story in the mainstream media.
		My guest is incredible, David Adair.
		The program has been incredible, and if you don't have this archived, you better get it.
		So the way to get it is to call 1-800-917-4278.
		1-800-917-4278.
unidentified		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to David Adair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what I asked, David, was what you would like them to write.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'd like for them to write to me and request my book.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Let me put them on the mailing list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mailing list.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right, and give me your full mailing address and phone number so when we get the book out, I'll make sure you're notified where you can get a copy of it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
		And I guess you won't even know any of that until you find out who's going to publish and it's a long way downline.
		I take it also that you would like to hear anybody who has had or can confirm your experiences or had similar experiences.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'd really like to hear from somebody that was in Area 51 in 1971 if they're out there and they could contact me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're out there.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I would like for them to see if they remember an incident that I just described.
		There were several people there.
		At least I saw a dozen in the periphery.
		There was people.
		So there's some that saw this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's somebody who asked, David, were you at any time debriefed by the officials at Area 51?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I wasn't.
		I guess it never came to that because LeMay interjected, and he was in a bad mood at that moment.
		And he just pulled me out and took me home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		To the phones.
		We're coming down the home stretch here, so you'll be to sleep soon, David.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I must be a lightweight here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time calling our line, you're on the air with David Adair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Toll free, 1-800-618-8255.
unidentified		David mentioned first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		Francis, I had to bleep that out because we don't allow last names on the air.
		So let's just say your name is Francis.
		Right.
unidentified		With I. Okay.
		Okay, the question.
		He mentioned that while he was examining the engine, that was about the size of what he felt was to be a Raycon button.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Where did he ever see, or David, did you ever see, or where is the vehicle that this engine propelled?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Excellent question.
		I don't know.
		I'm assuming that it was in that area, maybe in a different bay or something.
		And the thing I was curious about is I could only extrapolate in proportional dimensional size.
		My engine is the size of a football.
		It took about a 10 to 12-foot rocket housing for all the fairfields for that.
		So if this thing was a size, if this thing was the size of a school bus, I couldn't imagine how big the craft could be.
		It could be the size of a football field or it could be the size of an aircraft carrier.
		It would have to be a pretty large craft because this engine would be capable of tremendous power, so it would be a sizable craft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I appreciate your answer.
		It's a good answer.
		Sometimes you need to hear, I don't know, or I didn't see it, and I would not have expected You to have seen it.
		They only brought you in for one reason.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's obvious, having heard your story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't want you to know anymore.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, they didn't.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And what was interesting, though, is that this thing wasn't torn, it was cut out of the craft.
unidentified		Oh.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And that was the fittings on the side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So everything had been cut.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and there were some rips and tears where I guess the initial impact when it went down occurred.
		But mostly they were clean severs.
		But I don't know what they cut it with because that's really interesting that they could cut it like that.
		But the thing of noteworthy that I remembered mostly is the fittings that this thing had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fittings.
unidentified		The fittings.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		You know, like we have B-nut fittings and we have quick disconnect couplings.
		And this thing's fitting.
		I don't know how to say this on the radio, but it gave a whole new definition to male and female fittings.
		The female fitting looked like a...
		Slid in, and when they did, there was two of the couplings were still fastened, and they looked like they were one solid piece, like they're fused.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's just shorten that to male and female organs.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm sorry.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Hope I didn't get you in trouble, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		actually makes all the sense in the world because it is after all is in natural way whether something else interesting about the entire Do you remember seeing artwork by a man named H.R. Geiger?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		H.R. Geiger is a man that designed all the He designed all the creatures in alien.
		In alien movies, you know, Sigone Weaver.
		Yes.
		This thing had the same kind of overall technological manufacturing look.
		It was like, you know, it's like an organic technology.
		I swear this thing looks like it could have grown itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Caller, anything else?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		On this, how would our space system be affected if this computer year 2000 compliance is not corrected?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I'm not following answer.
		That's for...
		Millennial bug?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Millennial bug in computers in the year 2000.
unidentified		How would that affect our space program corrected?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Only thing I can think is either depends on the administration.
		It would either be an adverse effect or it could be as positive.
		It just depends on how they want to introduce that technology.
		And the problem the space program's got, the biggest problem of all, they have no leadership.
		They have no goals.
		They have no short-range, long-range plans.
		We've got a little probe on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least no public ones.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, I agree.
		Okay, you win.
		Right.
		I'm only on a 3D level here.
		But, you know, as far as I can see, it's pitiful.
		There's no step-by-step ladder for us to go somewhere.
		That just seems random.
		Let's spend a block of money here.
		And the thing that I find more interesting is there's such a push by Golden and Golden to the head of NASA to say, well, they want to go to Mars.
		You know, why in God's name do we want to go 464 million miles in one direction or approximately that far when all we've got to do is go 240,000 miles to our moon?
		Why don't we go back to the moon?
		Nobody wants to talk about going back to the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we're going to talk about the moon tomorrow night.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm Walter from up here in Mount Rainier, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'd like to say thanks a lot, David, for doing this.
		You're really helping out in the greatest way.
		And also we have to get the serious thing is those people have guilt over who they've had killed and stuff over this.
		You would make a really good PR, ma'am, because guilt is the only thing that's stopping us now.
		But anyway, we have those ships up here, the ones that move erratically, and they can go in any direction they want to.
		And I'm sure they can at certain times up here, things get, I don't know, there's tensions around.
		These crafts can move in any direction, just minute super speeds.
		And when you see one, it'll be red.
		And I'll tell you, it's a red light.
		And that's all I can say about them because I don't know any more about them except that they're here with us all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we certainly have plenty of sightings of things like that.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I wish I could see one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen a couple of craft, David.
		I've seen two.
		And, you know, I couldn't sit here and tell you exactly what I saw other than it was technology that either was A, generations and generations beyond what we have announced we have, or it was from somewhere else.
		I don't know.
		You know, they didn't drag anything along with them that explained all that to me.
		I just saw it.
		The owner's manual didn't drop out on your And I take it on that big engine.
		It didn't either.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I was looking for an owner's operator manual.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't find one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		This is Ken from Uniontown in southwestern Pennsylvania.
		Yes, sir.
		I have one quick question, if I may.
		I've been catching your show erratically throughout the night due to the rainy weather and skip bouncing all around.
		Right.
		With all this technology out there and everything that seems to be going on around the world and tying in with your book, The Quickening, couldn't the government just turn this on its own people and this technology against its own people to just basically make us all a bunch of slaves to the government?
		Maybe it's just me being paranoid, but it's a little scary to think About.
		I mean, look how long they've kept Area 51 secret from us.
		I mean, maybe it's just my paranoid mind working against me, the end of the millennium type of thing, but it just scares the bejesus out of me.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, you're an intelligent person.
		First thing an intelligent creature is aware of that things are getting dangerous around it.
		I'm afraid our society with the apathy that we have running to America.
		The democratic system works.
		People laugh at it.
		No, don't laugh.
		It does work.
		But the reason the powers are having such a good time and everything is that they depend on one thing, apathy.
		As long as that apathy is in a democracy, man, you can have tyrants running things.
		But until people become cohesive and instead of being like a flashlight shining on the wall, they become cohesive and become a laser and burn through it, they're not going to have to worry to answer anything.
		But the system will react because at one time we pulled together and we absolutely rolled 40-year control of Democrats out of the office and they had to bend to that will.
		We could make things change here if we'd only do it together.
		I don't know the statistics, but of the registered voters in this country, what is like 12% vote?
		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on the election you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Off your elections, you don't get many.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		That's just incredibly low.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In local elections, you even get fewer.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and what you have setting is what you have a real justification for fear.
		Our democracy is now poised for an absolute dictator to take control.
		And it'd be a shame.
		It'd be our own fault if we let it happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Yes.
		I had a question for him, and it's regarding the EM fields around the ship he was talking about.
		Okay.
		With Hawking's theories of being at the event horizon of a black hole, could you possibly freeze time, and could that be a way of time travel?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		See, I'm still stuck in the theory stage.
		I never got a chance to have any working models with this thing.
		I had time with it.
		Eventually, Stephan Hawkins agrees with that theorem that in the black hole capability, you would be able to pass through different dimensions and do time travel.
		Exactly how you set all this up in motion, the navigation, communications, all that stuff, I have more questions, I've got answers.
		But the theorem that he has, if you read his book, Space and Time, it addresses that issue.
		And yeah, if you're going to do time travel in a natural way, the way to do it would be the force of a black hole.
		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		One more comment.
		Thank you.
		I love your show.
		You know, it's just very, it piques my intellect.
		And I've told all my friends around here.
		So I'm getting possibly a high school club started for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Bye.
unidentified		Bye, Art.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Bye, Art.
		I'll say one thing.
		Your callers, that's a smart bunch of collars out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we do have a good group, sure.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		And you've got a television audience out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with David Adair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, David.
unidentified		You just answered one of my questions about a book.
unidentified		Is there any of the books you can recommend to us since this isn't available yet?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I just mentioned one.
unidentified		Well, I just mentioned one.
unidentified		I was wondering if there's any other books you could recommend to us.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		There's a book that NASA ironically puts out.
		It's called Shuttles at Work.
		Shuttles at Work?
		Right.
		And it explains, I think you'll find a lot of interesting stuff in the microgravity processing arena where the commercial sectors are working.
		That's an excellent book.
		There's another old book.
		Gosh, I don't know if you can find it anymore.
		It was printed by AAAS, the American Association for Advancement of Science, the cornerstone of our science world here.
		They produced a book called This Future of Energy.
		The Future of Energy?
		Yeah, The Future of Energy.
		And in that book, it was printed way back in 1971, but they may have a copy of it.
		But excuse me, it was printed in 73, and the date is significant because about third way through that book, guess what, Art?
		I got a diagram of my engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		It shows you the tutorial compressor, and it's right in the very beginning of the chapter.
		It says, electromagnetic fusion containment engines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are, caller.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thanks for the recommendation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Have a good morning.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Wade in San Point, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I asked a question for David.
		Maybe you covered it a little bit earlier there.
		Am I to understand that with the magnetic field produced by this, that contains the heat of this reaction?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It contains the force and the heat.
unidentified		Okay.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		Now, can you throttle that or is it just one force?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a mechanic to me.
		Yes, you can.
		And the way you do that is the way you increase, decrease speed of a rocket engine is by opening and closing an orifice called specific impulse.
		In this particular case, in the liquid fuel configurations, even the solid propellants, they can do that by a mechanical device called a jetivator where they can, it works like an iris of a camera.
		In this particular case, I used a plasma charged beam, an ion beam that opened the field up at the end.
		And by dilating that thing, I can increase or decrease, or as you say, throttle the engine.
unidentified		Okay, so you're just, basically you're changing the shape of the naviatic cone at the end.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Man, what smart cones you got, Art?
		Yeah.
		That's the heavy.
		God, I can't believe it.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		Have a good morning.
		Time, perhaps, for one more.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with David Adair.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, David.
		This is Frank in Seattle.
		I do some research for Richard Hoagland, and I just wanted to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then he's going to be on tomorrow night, you might want to know.
unidentified		Well, I do know already about that because I've been in touch with him.
		But what I want to call about is regards to.
		I've seen the STS-80 video that you have as well, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a mind-blower.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
unidentified		And I was just wondering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, there's no question about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		STS-80, the video that I have, shows things going on.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Right.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Steve Beer showed it to me.
unidentified		I'm telling you, I couldn't believe.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		I called up some friends at NASA and I said, ice particles.
		I said, come on, guys.
		You've got to come out of a better lion.
		That one's so bad.
		It's not working out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not on that video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's not ice particles.
		It doesn't even look anything near it.
		I've never seen ice particles do 90-degree corners.
unidentified		By the way, I've got another question, too.
unidentified		On the engine you saw at Area 51, did you notice there was any fiber optic particles or strands or fiber optics?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do you remember me talking about the circuit, the little tubing?
		Right.
		The tubing looked just like fiber optics, except it looked like it had a liquid in it, but it had the same texture and look of a fiber optic cable system.
unidentified		Right.
		And one other thing, too.
		Would you mind maybe perhaps getting in touch with Richard Hoglan calling you or getting in touch with you on a couple of these men?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		No, I'd be glad to talk to the guys.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Like I said, we had one problem that he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have one other question.
		Thank you, Color.
		We're so short on time.
		On the engine.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the engine, David, were there any markings?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I wonder if we about forgot that.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		This thing was covered with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With what?
david adair ▲ ● ▼		It looked like a cross of hieroglyphics and an alphanumeric system.
		But some of the stuff even had it looked almost like a lot of the emblems had the look of a playing deck of cards.
		You ever seen the clubs and the hearts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		There was emblems like that.
		But boy, I tell you what, those markings saved my bacon in Washington.
		I forgot to tell you that they were testifying, the other witnesses, and I thought, boy, nobody's had hardware contact.
		And I thought, man, I don't know why a turkey feels like at Thanksgiving.
		Because I was the only one that had hardware contact at that time.
		And what happened was a lawyer got up to testify, and he was an encryption officer in 1960, and they gave him three pieces of metal, his commanding officer, and said that this is from a downed UFO.
		And so this guy is an attorney under oath now.
		And you think about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, we're running out of time.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I matched the emblems.
		I wrote them down and handed them to the guy, and he goes, holy smokes.
		So I matched the emblems that he remembered.
		And that metal came off the engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David, we're out of time.
		We've got to go.
		We're going to do it again.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay in touch, my friend.
david adair ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks, Art, for having me on, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		David Adair, if you want a copy of this program, 1-800-917-4278.
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