Art Bell - 19970505_Art-Bell-SIT-Peter-Davenport-UFO-Sightings-in-Texas-Open-Lines-Anything-Goes
Aired: 1997-05-05
Duration: 02:41:22


=== Round Rock Mystery (15:25) ===

[00:00:15]  Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
[00:00:19]  Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from May 5th, 1997.
[00:00:23]  From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be in whatever exotic time zone you reside in from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains all the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south well into South America, north to the Poland worldwide on the internet.
[00:00:45]  This is Coast Coast A.M. Pop morning, everybody.
[00:00:48]  Great to be here.
[00:00:50]  I have the distinct pleasure and honor, isn't that the way they say it, of welcoming WPHTAM in the nation's fifth largest market, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
[00:01:04]  And I know that area well, for I once lived in a little town called Media, Pennsylvania, about 12 miles outside of Philly.
[00:01:13]  And as a matter of fact, Philadelphia was where I got my first ham license, the FCC office in Philadelphia.
[00:01:19]  I'll never forget that.
[00:01:21]  Very nervous moment.
[00:01:22]  My mom drove me into Philadelphia and I took the test.
[00:01:26]  It's also an area where I acquired my first pinball machine.
[00:01:31]  A place called Chester, Pennsylvania.
[00:01:33]  I was about 13, I think.
[00:01:36]  I'll never forget that.
[00:01:38]  Someday I'll tell you that story.
[00:01:39]  Anyway, we are proud to have WPHD in Philadelphia along.
[00:01:45]  They are, by the way, a very non-trivial radio station.
[00:01:49]  They're 1210 on the dial and 50,000 watts of clear-channel kaboom.
[00:01:57]  So they are heard, I don't know, in a circle that seems to be, you know, primary coverage nighttime that goes up to Vermont, New Hampshire, probably out to eastern Ohio, and then down south.
[00:02:11]  It probably can be heard in North Carolina.
[00:02:14]  And you get the picture if you draw a circle around Philadelphia, plus the ships at sea, of course.
[00:02:19]  So welcome, welcome to the program.
[00:02:22]  And I want to thank Diane Cridland for helping us get on there.
[00:02:28]  Thank you, Diane.
[00:02:30]  Hopefully we will not disappoint you.
[00:02:32]  It's going to be mainly open lines tonight.
[00:02:35]  And so I suspect we'll open the lines for Philadelphia at some point down the line here a little bit.
[00:02:42]  But first, there is some breaking news.
[00:02:47]  And it involves something seen in Texas.
[00:02:52]  And I guess the calls began coming in to the Seattle UFO Reporting Center.
[00:02:58]  And something very big has been seen down Texas Way.
[00:03:04]  So in a moment, we will speak with Peter Davenport.
[00:03:09]  And if any of you between Austin and Dallas saw whatever in the heck this was, I would like to open my East of the Rockies line for you or any other line you can manage to get through on.
[00:03:21]  And if everybody else would just hold off a little bit, this is kind of an ongoing tonight kind of thing.
[00:03:28]  Well, we'll tell you all about it in a moment.
[00:03:31]  But if whatever it was was seen by yourself, then please call us at 1-800-825-5033.
[00:03:41]  1-800-825-5033.
[00:03:46]  I'm going to hear all about it in just one moment.
[00:03:50]  All right, once again, what I want to do is hold open my East of the Rockies line only for people who have seen the object that you're about to hear described.
[00:04:17]  This is an ongoing story.
[00:04:20]  The Seattle UFO reporting center is one of the biggest and busiest in the nation, and the guy who runs it is Peter Davenport.
[00:04:30]  Here he is.
[00:04:30]  Hi, Peter.
[00:04:31]  Good evening, Ark.
[00:04:32]  Good evening.
[00:04:32]  What do we know?
[00:04:35]  Not enough yet, but it must have been a dramatic evening over central Texas this night.
[00:04:41]  We got a call from Round Lake, Texas at about, oh, it was just before 7 o'clock this evening, Seattle time.
[00:04:50]  A gentleman called and said that his son had just seen something in Round Rock, Texas.
[00:04:55]  That's just north of Austin, about 30 or 40 miles, according to my map.
[00:04:59]  And this young fellow got on the line and he described what had happened to him.
[00:05:04]  He was in the garage of his home, and he walked outside, and his attention apparently was drawn immediately to the night sky close to directly overhead.
[00:05:13]  Right.
[00:05:13]  And he saw a cluster.
[00:05:15]  He thinks it was five lights arranged in a straight line.
[00:05:19]  The two on the nose and the tail were very bright, he said, and they had a unique color to them, probably green.
[00:05:27]  The three lights in between the two end lights were less brilliant, and they had sort of a yellow tinge to them.
[00:05:33]  He estimates he saw this cluster of lights for only about five or ten seconds.
[00:05:38]  It was drifting to the northwest, he reported.
[00:05:41]  Drifting?
[00:05:42]  Yeah, it was not moving fast at all, but as it got to the northeastern sky, did I say northwest?
[00:05:48]  I meant to say northeast, if I didn't.
[00:05:50]  When it got into the northeastern sky, he said it simply winked out.
[00:05:54]  It disappeared from his sight.
[00:05:57]  Well, I didn't know what to make of that report until about 15 or 20 minutes later, we got another telephone call from a very bright-sounding young woman up in the Dallas area, specifically in the Flower Mound area, which is a suburb of Dallas.
[00:06:12]  Right.
[00:06:13]  And now my antennas were out because it was clear that this young gal, as bright as she was and as very eloquent as she was, was emotionally involved with what had just happened to her and a friend of hers.
[00:06:26]  The two of them were out walking in Flower Mound, Texas, walking their pets, engrossed in deep conversation, she said.
[00:06:34]  The attention of both of them was drawn to something directly above them.
[00:06:39]  And she said, never in her life has she seen anything, the likes of it.
[00:06:44]  She admitted that it was so dramatic a sighting this evening that she and her friend just grabbed onto one another and stood there holding on to each other while they watched this object directly above them drifting again to the northeast.
[00:06:58]  All right, did they describe it?
[00:07:00]  Yeah, it was described almost identically to the description we'd just taken from Round Rock, Texas a matter of a few minutes earlier.
[00:07:06]  By now your antennas are twirling, I'm sure.
[00:07:09]  They are indeed, which is perhaps the wrong analogy for a UFO investigator, but that's the one I'm stuck with.
[00:07:16]  By this time, I was attuned to what was going on, hoping to get a few more calls, and indeed we did get a third call.
[00:07:24]  It came in from yet another suburb of Dallas, Lancaster, Texas.
[00:07:29]  And the gentleman who called is very skilled with regard to astronomy.
[00:07:33]  I won't go too deeply into his background, but he described essentially the very same object, the very same sighting that had just been described to us by those two young women.
[00:07:44]  Now you're talking about a professional now.
[00:07:46]  Yeah.
[00:07:48]  Professional or amateur, I'm not sure, but this man is qualified to look at the night sky and distinguish celestial bodies from other objects.
[00:07:57]  He was very bright.
[00:07:58]  He knew what he was talking about.
[00:08:00]  He knew the location of stars and planets in the night sky.
[00:08:04]  And he said, I believe I could almost quote what he said.
[00:08:07]  He said he's never seen anything like it in his entire life.
[00:08:10]  He's a grown married man.
[00:08:12]  So we got three solid reports from central Texas.
[00:08:16]  There are a couple interesting observations to all of this.
[00:08:20]  Of course, one of the things we're always struggling with up here is are we dealing with hoax?
[00:08:24]  Are we dealing with mistaken identity or something like that?
[00:08:27]  Well, harken back to the Phoenix sightings because these sound a lot like the Phoenix sightings to me.
[00:08:33]  Exactly.
[00:08:35]  Has there been any resolution?
[00:08:37]  There were an object or lights, depending on who you listen to, seen over Phoenix by, what would you say, thousands of people?
[00:08:48]  At least thousands, and the only remaining question is whether it meant it may have been tens of thousands of people.
[00:08:53]  Tens of thousands.
[00:08:55]  Reported massively, actually, in the media.
[00:08:57]  And this sounds just like that.
[00:09:00]  Now, this object went apparently Texas now.
[00:09:03]  From where to where, in how short a time?
[00:09:05]  It was going from the Austin area to the northeast.
[00:09:10]  And the thing that I find really intriguing, and which I think rules out any kind of hoax or mistaken identity or something like that, is the fact that apparently it went from the Round Rock vicinity, again, just 40 miles north of Austin, into Dallas in somewhere between one and five minutes.
[00:09:30]  That's 200 miles in one to five minutes.
[00:09:34]  Now, that's a long way for any object to go in that amount of time.
[00:09:37]  But the interesting thing is...
[00:09:39]  Well, it's certainly a long way to go if the object was hoaxed in some way.
[00:09:43]  In other words, if you put up a series of lighted balloons or got a bunch of ultralights or something like that.
[00:09:49]  Exactly.
[00:09:50]  They could not do that.
[00:09:51]  They couldn't.
[00:09:52]  And that's one of the elements of these sightings that seem to militate against some kind of hoax or mistaken identity.
[00:10:01]  And moreover, there's another observation here.
[00:10:04]  The first caller, you'll recall, said that the object simply disappeared from sight in the bat of an eye.
[00:10:11]  And that suggests to me possibly, a possible interpretation of that is that it suddenly accelerated so fast that it just appeared to the human visual system to disappear from sight when in fact it was streaking to the north.
[00:10:26]  And one of the things I started probing with the second call was just how accurate these people's times were.
[00:10:32]  Were their clocks accurate?
[00:10:33]  Is it an electronic watch they have or what?
[00:10:36]  And we've been able, I think, to get the times, even on a preliminary basis, the times down to within a minute or so.
[00:10:45]  And that is what makes me feel very comfortable in saying that the object covered not less than 200 miles in not more than five minutes.
[00:10:55]  That's 40 miles a second.
[00:10:57]  Excuse me, 40 miles a minute.
[00:11:00]  And it may have been five times faster than that.
[00:11:03]  All right.
[00:11:05]  Let me sample my East of the Rockies line and see what we've got here.
[00:11:08]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Peter Davenport.
[00:11:11]  Where are you calling from, please?
[00:11:13]  Hello.
[00:11:14]  Hello.
[00:11:14]  Yes, I'm calling from about 30 miles north of Houston.
[00:11:17]  North of Houston.
[00:11:18]  All right.
[00:11:19]  If you have your radio on, turn it off, please.
[00:11:21]  Okay, sure.
[00:11:22]  And did you happen to see the object?
[00:11:25]  Well, yes, actually, I was drawing towards Centerville, which is right in between Houston and Dallas.
[00:11:31]  And I think I saw something like this.
[00:11:33]  It was really bright.
[00:11:36]  It was changing colors.
[00:11:37]  And it was about four or five parts to this thing.
[00:11:43]  And it moved really fast about after five minutes of the sighting, it moved really fast towards Dallas.
[00:11:53]  Towards Dallas.
[00:11:54]  Right.
[00:11:55]  All right.
[00:11:56]  And I just talked to my cousin.
[00:11:58]  He lives in Rounddrop, Texas, which is about 25 minutes from Austin.
[00:12:02]  Right.
[00:12:03]  And he pinked that he saw it too.
[00:12:05]  All right.
[00:12:06]  Well, I appreciate the report.
[00:12:07]  There's another one for you, Peter.
[00:12:10]  So something happened.
[00:12:11]  Something certainly happened in Texas, didn't it?
[00:12:14]  Yeah, it sure did.
[00:12:15]  This is not only reminiscent of the sighting over Arizona.
[00:12:20]  That was on the 13th of March, a Thursday night.
[00:12:22]  I'll never forget that night.
[00:12:24]  It's probably the most dramatic night of calls I've taken since I've become the director of the UFO Reporting Center here in Seattle.
[00:12:32]  It was just one call right after the other, nose to tail, nose to tail.
[00:12:35]  All right, well, I like developing stories, things that are happening right now.
[00:12:39]  Here's another one.
[00:12:40]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:12:41]  Where are you calling from, please?
[00:12:43]  I am from Austin, Texas, Art.
[00:12:44]  Austin, all right.
[00:12:45]  Eric, good evening, Peter.
[00:12:47]  Good evening.
[00:12:48]  As a matter of fact, let me kind of correct your geography a little bit.
[00:12:52]  The southern border of Round Rock is actually about seven miles from Austin.
[00:12:57]  Okay.
[00:12:57]  Thank you.
[00:12:58]  Round Rock is a lot bigger than probably the map you have.
[00:13:02]  I did see the object.
[00:13:04]  It was kind of like what I would call a five-card formation.
[00:13:10]  It was about a series of five green lights.
[00:13:13]  The center one was, I would say, two times the magnitude, the brightness of the ones that were on the edge, on the corners, basically.
[00:13:26]  Caller, were you able to see any solid object in between the lights?
[00:13:33]  I was able to see somewhat of a black object.
[00:13:36]  It was kind of a weird rectangular shape to me.
[00:13:40]  There we go.
[00:13:42]  Any questions, Peter?
[00:13:45]  Can you give me some idea of the color of the three lights in the middle between you?
[00:13:50]  Perhaps you said five green lights.
[00:13:52]  Are you sure of the color?
[00:13:54]  I am definitely sure of the color.
[00:13:56]  They looked bright, almost like a white to me.
[00:14:00]  It was the greenish color, but it was greenish white.
[00:14:02]  Yes.
[00:14:04]  It's very interesting that there was apparently a change of color in the lights between the sighting over Round Rock and the sighting up over Dallas.
[00:14:14]  And so it changed its lights in the course of a minute or less, maybe seconds, I don't know.
[00:14:19]  Well, it sounds like you're on to one, Peter.
[00:14:21]  Yeah, it sure does.
[00:14:23]  Caller, thank you very much.
[00:14:24]  Anything else?
[00:14:25]  No, that's about it, Art.
[00:14:27]  All right, thank you.
[00:14:28]  So there you go.
[00:14:30]  It definitely sounds like something's going on.
[00:14:32]  Now, we could sit here.
[00:14:34]  Obviously, this did occur now and take calls all night long, but instead of that, why don't I let you give out your number and we'll see if we can put this together.
[00:14:44]  Yeah, I'd be grateful for that.
[00:14:46]  Two things people can do.
[00:14:47]  They can either call us tonight, and we'd be happy to take calls up until about midnight Seattle time.
[00:14:52]  People sometimes find it hard to believe that we actually sleep up here, but we do.
[00:14:57]  Yes.
[00:14:59]  But now that we are alerted to the incident, what is vastly more helpful to us is if those people who actually saw the object could briefly write down what it was they saw, where they were at the time of the sighting, the time of the sighting to the best of their estimation, and what direction they were looking and where the object went.
[00:15:23]  That is very helpful if they could mail that to us.

=== Unexplained Lights Reported (15:50) ===

[00:15:26]  And I'll give out our postal address and also our email address here in a moment.
[00:15:30]  That would be a great help to us.
[00:15:32]  And with that information in hand, we'll have a stab.
[00:15:37]  We can make a stab at trying to recreate the light path.
[00:15:40]  That's exactly right.
[00:15:41]  All right.
[00:15:41]  What is the phone number up there?
[00:15:43]  The phone number here is area code 206-722-3000.
[00:15:49]  And we prefer to take calls from 8 a.m. to midnight.
[00:15:52]  If it's an emergency, if people see aliens coming out of a ship, they may call us at any time any night or day.
[00:15:58]  Any hour.
[00:15:59]  Area code 206-722-3000.
[00:16:02]  All right.
[00:16:03]  Our postal address is very simply P.O. Box 45623 University Station.
[00:16:12]  And that's Seattle, Washington.
[00:16:13]  Zip code is 98145.
[00:16:16]  Yeah, I hear your phone's going already.
[00:16:18]  And what about email?
[00:16:19]  Email is simply, it's one of those easy-to-remember email addresses now.
[00:16:23]  It's simply director at UFOcenter.com.
[00:16:27]  All right.
[00:16:27]  One more.
[00:16:28]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:16:30]  Good evening.
[00:16:30]  Where are you, please?
[00:16:32]  Hello.
[00:16:32]  My name is Philip from Austin.
[00:16:34]  Yes, sir.
[00:16:34]  Yes.
[00:16:36]  I'm a University of Texas student, and a couple of my friends just came inside my dorm and said that everyone outside in the downtown area just looked up and noticed three bright white lights hovering above 6th Street.
[00:16:49]  Are you talking about now?
[00:16:52]  I'm talking about, no, not now, sir.
[00:16:54]  Earlier on tonight.
[00:16:55]  All right.
[00:16:55]  And they came in and explained it, and of course we didn't believe them.
[00:16:59]  And I was just listening to your show, and I heard the reports.
[00:17:03]  So I just called in and, you know, just to say, this is not dissimilar to what happened over North and South Carolina last night.
[00:17:12]  We got a call from the National Weather Service, and shortly after that, we took a call from three young people who were sitting in a pickup truck and saw an object go streaking across the sky.
[00:17:22]  That sighting is complicated by the fact that the 5th of May is the peak of a certain meteor shower, the name of which I've forgotten.
[00:17:30]  So we don't know what happened there, but the people who saw it reported that it was strobing apparently at a regular pace.
[00:17:38]  There was a similar sighting up over the San Juan Islands here in the state of Washington in the streets of Juan de Fuca just about a week ago, and it was a dramatic one.
[00:17:48]  Young couple sitting out on the edge of an island, and they saw a huge object with a stripe of purple light that was shooting out the back of it, almost covered the entire sky.
[00:18:00]  The fellow who saw it is a craftsman.
[00:18:03]  He's now building a model of the object and is going to send us a drawing and perhaps a photograph of his model.
[00:18:10]  That's good for telling people.
[00:18:11]  One more quickly.
[00:18:12]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport at the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
[00:18:17]  Where are you, please?
[00:18:19]  Hello.
[00:18:20]  They must have gotten him.
[00:18:22]  Yep.
[00:18:23]  He was.
[00:18:23]  Are you there, sir?
[00:18:24]  Yes, I'm there.
[00:18:25]  Oh, you are?
[00:18:25]  Okay.
[00:18:26]  Where are you?
[00:18:26]  I'm about 25 miles from, I'm in Katy, Texas, which is about 25 minutes from downtown Houston.
[00:18:34]  All right.
[00:18:34]  What did you see and when?
[00:18:36]  Okay, it's I saw it like at about 8 o'clock Central Time, and it was three objects towards northwest, and they were heading towards, I would say, northeast.
[00:18:54]  All right.
[00:18:54]  Well, it sounds like, again, the same whatever it is.
[00:18:57]  Yeah.
[00:18:58]  All right.
[00:18:59]  All right, Peter.
[00:19:00]  Well, we're about out of time for this, but we'll see what develops.
[00:19:04]  With any luck, somebody out there with a camcorder got some footage.
[00:19:11]  I hope so.
[00:19:12]  Of the reports you get, how many ever turn out to be available on videotape, kind of like the Phoenix lights?
[00:19:19]  Very few.
[00:19:20]  Very few.
[00:19:20]  Although the lights down in Phoenix were videotaped by about a dozen people.
[00:19:25]  Unfortunately, those tapes are not freely available yet.
[00:19:29]  I don't know why they're holding on to them.
[00:19:31]  Well, they showed up on certain television stations.
[00:19:34]  Yeah, a little bit of the footage, but about a dozen people got it on videotape that night.
[00:19:38]  Bill Hamilton was one of those, and we interviewed him.
[00:19:41]  But not widely available just yet.
[00:19:43]  Yeah, not yet, but there are promises that it will be.
[00:19:46]  It's a huge object.
[00:19:47]  Yeah, huge, indeed.
[00:19:48]  All right, Peter, thank you.
[00:19:49]  Very good.
[00:19:50]  Thanks, sir.
[00:19:50]  Take care, my friend.
[00:19:51]  That's Peter Davenport at the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, where apparently things are popping.
[00:19:56]  I'm Art Bell, and we'll be back with openline unscreened talk radio in a moment.
[00:20:01]  This is Premier Networks.
[00:20:03]  That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
[00:20:09]  Listening to Art Bell,
[00:20:38]  Somewhere in Time.
[00:20:39]  Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 5th, 1997.
[00:20:44]  Well, apparently, when it rains, it pours.
[00:20:46]  Dear Art, did you hear the local news tonight?
[00:20:49]  11 o'clock news on Channel 3.
[00:20:50]  That's Las Vegas.
[00:20:52]  Apparently, a number of people in the Lone Mountain area saw a UFO.
[00:20:56]  Bright green, looked like an inverted mushroom, they said.
[00:21:00]  And that was just number one.
[00:21:03]  Then I've got a second facts on it, and they're starting to pour in now.
[00:21:06]  So, not only in Texas, but in Las Vegas, about 65 miles away from me as well.
[00:21:15]  What are all these things doing in our skies?
[00:21:20]  By the way, there's something I want to mention very quickly with regard to the website.
[00:21:24]  I wonder how many of you remember, I think it was last week we began getting reports.
[00:21:32]  And then Sunday on Dreamland, we talked about it as well.
[00:21:38]  Apparitions.
[00:21:40]  And I received the following email.
[00:21:44]  I was listening to your program the other night.
[00:21:46]  Might have been a rerun.
[00:21:47]  No, it wasn't.
[00:21:47]  As a matter of fact, we had a man on Captain, the captain, I'm not sure of his name anyway.
[00:21:52]  He was speaking of the vision of the Virgin Mary on the side of the office building in Clearwater, Florida.
[00:21:59]  Now, I live a mile away from the site in Clearwater, and I want to set the record straight.
[00:22:03]  First of all, that vision appeared about two weeks before Thanksgiving last year, but it had been developing over a period of time, probably many months, until it reached a point where it became what is seen today.
[00:22:17]  I am not religious in any way.
[00:22:19]  My parents weren't into religion when I was growing up.
[00:22:22]  I've never read the Bible, nor do I intend to.
[00:22:24]  Well, I would never say never about that.
[00:22:27]  But I have to say, the image on the side of that building is amazing.
[00:22:31]  And I have to agree.
[00:22:33]  And I want to thank whoever it was.
[00:22:35]  It was a lady down in Florida who sent me an extremely clear rendition of this gigantic building in Clearwater.
[00:22:46]  And it appears to be, you know, who am I to say, right?
[00:22:52]  And I'm not going to say, but it appears to be what could be the Virgin Mary on the side of this building.
[00:22:58]  I mean, we're not talking about a little thing.
[00:23:00]  We're talking about something the size of an entire multi-story building.
[00:23:06]  And so that photograph is now on my website.
[00:23:10]  If you want to see it, go take a look yourself.
[00:23:12]  I mean, you tell me what you think.
[00:23:15]  They are prepared to apparently call this some sort of historic site now.
[00:23:22]  I swear this is true.
[00:23:24]  And I don't know what they're going to do with the building, but it's going to be declared some sort of historic site in Clearwater, Florida.
[00:23:32]  Go take a look for yourself.
[00:23:34]  We've got the photograph up there.
[00:23:36]  My web address is www.artbell.com, www.artbell.com.
[00:23:45]  Nothing like seeing for yourself.
[00:24:07]  Let me cover a few things.
[00:24:12]  It looks as though tobacco has won one.
[00:24:14]  A jury in Jacksonville, Florida has handed a major courtroom victory to a leading cigarette maker.
[00:24:22]  The six-person panel on Monday found R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company not to be liable in the lung cancer death of a lifelong smoker.
[00:24:32]  And her name was Gene Connor.
[00:24:35]  And the family, of course, sued.
[00:24:38]  And I'm a smoker.
[00:24:40]  You know, I admit that.
[00:24:41]  I'm not happy about it, but I am a smoker.
[00:24:44]  I can read the warning on the side of the package.
[00:24:47]  I know what I'm into, and I guess they're going to make the...
[00:24:50]  I wonder how they make the warning stronger anyway.
[00:24:52]  Maybe they'll make the cigarette companies put a big skull and crossbones on the side or something.
[00:24:58]  Authorities in Texas say police shot and killed one of the two fleeing members of the armed separatist group Monday, the Republic of Texas offshoot group.
[00:25:12]  Two of them took off when the rest gave up.
[00:25:14]  One of them is now dead, hunted down by a pack of bloodhounds.
[00:25:19]  Police helicopters all over the place.
[00:25:21]  These two guys take it off.
[00:25:22]  They got one of them.
[00:25:25]  In Oklahoma, or I should say in the trial going on in Denver, Timothy McVeigh's younger sister decided to testify against him and has done so.
[00:25:40]  Jennifer McVeigh portrayed her brother as a man who wanted to take action against a tyrannical government depriving Americans of their rights.
[00:25:51]  So there you have it.
[00:25:54]  With regard to the TWA 800 report, as you know, the FBI apparently is going to leave the investigation or is now itself beginning to conclude that Flight 800 was down because of massive mechanical failure.
[00:26:16]  And indeed, I've got an Associated Press article here which says flaws found in jetliner pumps.
[00:26:26]  Ta-da!
[00:26:27]  This is from Norm in San Francisco, and it would validate what our remote viewer Ed Dames said.
[00:26:35]  And so it looks like Ed Dames hit this one right on the noggin.
[00:26:40]  Although, depending on what you think about Flight 800, here's another facts.
[00:26:46]  Actually, email art.
[00:26:48]  I'll believe our government's failure assessment when they ground 747s.
[00:26:54]  Assuming the plane did incur some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure, what are we then to infer?
[00:27:02]  Sure, they tend to explode in mid-flight, but otherwise, they're a pretty safe plane.
[00:27:09]  Take it easy, Marty.
[00:27:11]  Ed Dames, on the other hand, with regard to the A-10, was apparently wrong since it has been located in, as you know, Colorado, although I sure haven't heard much about that.
[00:27:24]  And the pilot, of course, dead, so he had that part and the location wrong.
[00:27:28]  Pilot being dead correctly, and the location he thought, Arizona, wrong.
[00:27:34]  Although you recall, he said only eight out of ten.
[00:27:40]  Hello, Art.
[00:27:41]  I hope it's going to be one of those open line nights when anything goes.
[00:27:45]  This is from Steve in Bakersfield.
[00:27:47]  Yes, you get your wish, Steve.
[00:27:49]  If so, I would like to suggest a topic of technology shock.
[00:27:56]  It is my opinion that our society is headed in the direction of an overdose of technology.
[00:28:03]  I work in an environment which brings me into contact with a lot of senior citizens.
[00:28:10]  It's just an observation, but it seems as though many of them have reached a point now where they simply cannot absorb these new technologically based concepts.
[00:28:22]  So are we all going to be victims of this?
[00:28:25]  I don't know.
[00:28:26]  It's a good question.
[00:28:27]  And I've got a lot more here, but what I'm going to do is what we do generally, and that is I'm going to open the lines.
[00:28:34]  Now, we had Richard Hoagland here last night, a repeat of the Friday night, Saturday morning broadcast, answering what NASA had to say on Thursday, Friday.
[00:28:49]  So we've been pretty guest-heavy for a while, and I thought I would just sort of let it drift tonight and see where it goes.
[00:28:55]  Beginning next hour, we will open the lines for our newest affiliate in Philadelphia.
[00:29:01]  Meantime, West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:29:03]  Good morning.
[00:29:04]  Oh, my goodness, good morning, Art Bell.
[00:29:06]  Hi.
[00:29:07]  I have something that is absolutely unbelievable.
[00:29:10]  Where are you?
[00:29:11]  I am in Ventura, California.
[00:29:14]  All right.
[00:29:14]  Well, this is the home of the unbelievable.
[00:29:19]  Well, no, it was on Channel 4 News, NBC.
[00:29:24]  Right?
[00:29:27]  There was a lady that went into surgery and had some chips removed from her body.
[00:29:35]  Really?
[00:29:36]  There were no scars.
[00:29:39]  they cannot completely identify the metal there was no entry of any sort that they could prove through the and the general the doctors and i couldn't get it all You have to bear with me.
[00:29:50]  Was this Channel 4 in Los Angeles?
[00:29:52]  It certainly is.
[00:29:53]  HMBC art.
[00:29:54]  HMBC art.
[00:29:55]  Right, I understand.
[00:29:56]  And so they found, when did they do this operation?
[00:30:00]  Evidently, it was quite recently because it came on the news, and his name is Dr. L-E-I-R.
[00:30:09]  And then the doctor says, well, I can't explain it.
[00:30:12]  It's not up to me to explain it.
[00:30:15]  It's up to the scientist.
[00:30:18]  And he said, well, and he kind of said, well, maybe it was entry of metal years ago and it calcified.
[00:30:29]  And healed perfectly so there would be no scars.
[00:30:32]  Okay, yes.
[00:30:33]  But the lady did not want her face shown.
[00:30:37]  She was there and soaked.
[00:30:38]  I don't blame her.
[00:30:39]  I don't blame her.
[00:30:40]  No.
[00:30:41]  Well, she understands.
[00:30:42]  She says people make fun of her.
[00:30:44]  But this is, if you'll kind of bear with me again, she went on a trip for two days out driving somewhere.
[00:30:54]  And it looked like, for some reason, New Mexico comes.
[00:30:57]  Let me guess.
[00:30:58]  She had missing time.
[00:31:00]  Uh-huh.

=== UFO Reports and Remote Viewing (04:56) ===

[00:31:02]  There were a trip two days, and there's no memory.
[00:31:05]  She made a trip for two days, but it ended up to be three days, and there was no memory.
[00:31:10]  All right, well, that's just like the fellow I had on last night.
[00:31:14]  Thank you.
[00:31:14]  We do a show on Sunday called Dreamland.
[00:31:17]  And this fellow delivered sailing ships for a living, and he took one from Tampa to New York, and he kept a meticulous, and I mean meticulous log.
[00:31:31]  And he would record times you would hear shortwave stations, and he was missing three days, I mean three days, just flat gone on a sailing trip from Tampa to New York.
[00:31:47]  What do you suppose might have occurred?
[00:31:50]  Oh, by the way, this afternoon, CNN reported a, you know, those little factoid things they have.
[00:31:58]  CNN reported the following, that 58% of all men report having had sex with a woman they actively disliked.
[00:32:12]  58% of men report having had sex with a woman they actively dislike.
[00:32:17]  Now, I will not answer this, but maybe you would like to.
[00:32:22]  What does this say about most underlined most men?
[00:32:30]  It is a majority.
[00:32:32]  58% of men in America report having had sex with a woman they actively dislike.
[00:32:40]  Really?
[00:32:40]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:32:43]  Hello.
[00:32:44]  Oh, good morning there, Art.
[00:32:45]  Good morning.
[00:32:46]  Where are you?
[00:32:47]  Houston.
[00:32:48]  Houston, all right?
[00:32:49]  You've got kind of an echo here.
[00:32:52]  Let me see if I can eliminate that or do something about that.
[00:32:55]  Let me try it again.
[00:32:56]  Are you there?
[00:32:57]  Yes, sir.
[00:32:57]  All right.
[00:32:58]  Well, go ahead.
[00:32:58]  That's Mike here in Houston.
[00:33:00]  Yes, Mike.
[00:33:01]  I was just wondering if we might hear the results of Mr. Taylor Kramer remote viewing on that.
[00:33:08]  Well, that is in the hands of the police now, and until it comes out of the hands of the police, I doubt that I'm going to hear anything.
[00:33:15]  Right, okay.
[00:33:16]  All right, so the moment we get anything on that, you'll get it.
[00:33:19]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:33:21]  Hi.
[00:33:22]  Hello there.
[00:33:24]  Going once, going twice, gone.
[00:33:26]  First time caller line, you're on the air.
[00:33:28]  Good morning.
[00:33:29]  Hello, Art.
[00:33:30]  This is Daniel from Ventura, California.
[00:33:32]  Yes, Daniel.
[00:33:33]  I was coming back from Santa Barbara this evening from a Chieftains concert, and I saw out over kind of way out into the east three lights kind of grouped together.
[00:33:45]  Well, those are the lights probably that were seen in Las Vegas.
[00:33:51]  Two of them were moving.
[00:33:53]  The other one was kind of fixed, so I figured that it was a star, and then it just completely dropped out, went away.
[00:33:59]  All right, well, there you go.
[00:34:01]  I appreciate the report.
[00:34:02]  That confirms to a large degree what has occurred in Las Vegas, where lights have been seen as well as down in Texas.
[00:34:13]  A couple of very intriguing UFO reports.
[00:34:16]  I imagine Peter Davenport's a busy boy up there.
[00:34:18]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:34:20]  Hi.
[00:34:20]  Yeah, Art?
[00:34:21]  Yes, sir.
[00:34:22]  Yeah, yeah, this is Max up in Rochester, New York.
[00:34:25]  Hi there.
[00:34:25]  How's it going?
[00:34:26]  Hey, just several things.
[00:34:28]  The first of which is, I thought that was real interesting about that A-10, what really brought it down.
[00:34:33]  Okay, the second thing is, if you ever heard about something...
[00:34:37]  Wait a minute.
[00:34:38]  What about the A-10?
[00:34:39]  What do you mean what really brought it down?
[00:34:40]  Well, I'm saying, you know, the guy broke formation, left.
[00:34:45]  Well, we have no idea what brought it down.
[00:34:47]  We have no idea what caused him to break formation.
[00:34:49]  We don't know any of that.
[00:34:51]  Right, Art.
[00:34:52]  Let me go on to this next thing real quick.
[00:34:53]  I don't want to stick too long on that.
[00:34:55]  The other thing, if you heard of something, I saw this in Time magazine and an article about it in the local newspaper.
[00:35:02]  The U.S. government, when they want, I'm sure you can appreciate this.
[00:35:07]  When they want to use the HF bands, supposedly they have something that they can make the ionosphere hard.
[00:35:17]  Well, they have what's called HARP, H-A-A-R-P, in Alaska.
[00:35:24]  And they are doing experiments now with Very large amounts of RF radiation, trying to literally burn a hole in the ionosphere.
[00:35:37]  They're doing this ostensibly for two reasons.
[00:35:41]  And we've got photographs of the HARPA rays on the website.

=== $5 Trillion Debt Dilemma (03:05) ===

[00:35:45]  The first reason is to study communications in the HF range, as you pointed out.
[00:35:52]  The second reason is to map underground bunkers and tunnels.
[00:35:58]  And this one worries people because in order for that radiation to bounce off the ionosphere and hit the ground in sufficient amounts to map anything, it's got to pass through everything above ground, like biologicals, like you and me.
[00:36:16]  And so a lot of people are rather concerned about that.
[00:36:19]  Wildcard line, you're on the air.
[00:36:21]  Hi.
[00:36:21]  Morning, Art.
[00:36:22]  Morning, sir.
[00:36:23]  Say, how about that budget with $200 and odd billion dollars just showing up like the financial records from Loreau's Law Office?
[00:36:32]  Poof.
[00:36:33]  You mean, are you talking about the budget agreement they reached?
[00:36:38]  Well, look, if you believe that this is going to result in a balanced budget in five years, then I have a bridge for you.
[00:36:45]  Oh, yeah.
[00:36:46]  Maybe two.
[00:36:47]  Maybe three.
[00:36:47]  Five swampland, too.
[00:36:49]  Yeah.
[00:36:51]  Legal drugs and open borders are looking better every day, aren't they?
[00:36:56]  Well, even if you assume that what they say is correct and we were to reach a balanced budget in five years, what they don't tell you is we have a $5 trillion debt.
[00:37:10]  And if they manage to reach a balanced budget in five years, that would simply mean at that point they had stopped adding to the debt.
[00:37:19]  That's right.
[00:37:19]  To know, to the debt.
[00:37:20]  Everybody gets the deficit, which is the yearly amount.
[00:37:24]  And the debt mixed up.
[00:37:25]  That's right.
[00:37:26]  And the unfunded Social Security that we are all going to want to be.
[00:37:32]  So when they sit there and they say thank you, they've reached some sort of agreement.
[00:37:36]  It's ludicrous to even listen to it and imagine that it means anything real.
[00:37:43]  They have not, will not, in five years, in my opinion, have reduced the budget to zero.
[00:37:52]  And even if magically they did, that is not going to change what lies ahead because of the size of the debt, the $5 trillion debt.
[00:38:05]  Now, if interest rates go up, there is no way on God's green earth that we're going to be able to afford to pay the amount of interest that we're going to owe on that $5 trillion debt.
[00:38:20]  As long as interest rates remain low and things keep going along okay, it's going to be all right.
[00:38:26]  But if interest rates should rise, even several points, we are in sudden, big, deep doo-doo.

=== East of the Rockies Update (12:26) ===

[00:38:35]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:38:37]  Hi.
[00:38:38]  How are you doing?
[00:38:39]  All right, where are you?
[00:38:40]  I'm in Marlin, Texas.
[00:38:41]  Yes, sir.
[00:38:42]  I was just going to call really to thank you for having that gentleman, I forget his first name, Mr. Osmond.
[00:38:48]  Yes.
[00:38:49]  Last week, and then having Richard on again last night.
[00:38:52]  Hard to get a word in edge-wise, though, with Richard.
[00:38:56]  But I just wanted to thank you for having those guys.
[00:38:58]  And are you going to have Mr. Osmond back?
[00:39:02]  I'm not sure exactly who you're referring to.
[00:39:04]  I had Tom Van Flandren was on with Richard Hoagland.
[00:39:07]  That was last night.
[00:39:08]  Yes.
[00:39:09]  Okay.
[00:39:10]  Are you referring to the gentleman from NASA?
[00:39:12]  No, no, this is the gentleman that was talking about manipulation of microorganisms and such.
[00:39:18]  Do you mean nanotechnology?
[00:39:20]  That's it nanotechnology.
[00:39:22]  Well, anyway, it was really interesting, and I just wanted to know if there was if you were going to have him on again, because I couldn't get all the information.
[00:39:29]  No, nobody could.
[00:39:31]  You'd have to be Superman to have absorbed all of that.
[00:39:34]  So, yeah, we'll have him on again.
[00:39:36]  Thank you very much.
[00:39:37]  He gave it to us in a very staccato, quick fashion.
[00:39:41]  It's all about nano, something called nanotechnology, and it is literally machines, little teeny machines that you cannot see, that eventually will be capable of manipulating things at a molecular level.
[00:39:59]  Now, what does that mean?
[00:40:00]  It means that, well, it means eventually we'll have replicators.
[00:40:07]  In other words, kind of like in Star Trek, where you order up food, and it doesn't have to be grown on a farm.
[00:40:13]  No animal has to be slaughtered.
[00:40:16]  You take a kind of a molecular soup.
[00:40:19]  These little machines go to work at the molecular level, and they actually create something for you.
[00:40:26]  Food or a telephone, or it really doesn't matter, because these machines would be able to replicate anything in any manner you can imagine.
[00:40:37]  So there would be, well, it would be a very, very different world.
[00:40:44]  And all of that is going on right now.
[00:40:46]  One other thing he said that was particularly intriguing in that program was that the way things are going on the internet right now, he expects shortly for, in effect, life forms to be born within the net itself.
[00:41:01]  Actual, sentient life forms.
[00:41:05]  And that's where we're headed, he believes, with the net.
[00:41:08]  Absolutely fascinating stuff.
[00:41:10]  And yes, we will have him back.
[00:41:13]  The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
[00:41:18]  More Somewhere in Time coming up.
[00:41:22]  Art Bell,
[00:41:51]  Somewhere in Time.
[00:41:52]  Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 5th of May, 1997.
[00:41:57]  Once again, here in the middle of the night with live talk radio because everything else happened yesterday, you know.
[00:42:06]  Good morning, everybody.
[00:42:08]  There are things popping all over the place.
[00:42:10]  It looks as though there has been a massive UFO sighting somewhere between Austin and Dallas traveling.
[00:42:18]  In addition, one in Las Vegas, and now a 5.0 earthquake in Alaska.
[00:42:24]  Now, let's find out about this earthquake.
[00:42:27]  I just heard about it.
[00:42:28]  It's breaking news.
[00:42:29]  It occurred apparently about 20 miles north of Anchorage and was in the five range.
[00:42:35]  So let me quickly hold open my West of the Rockies line for anybody in Anchorage, Eagle River, Alaska, that area.
[00:42:44]  What about it, folks?
[00:42:45]  How was the quake?
[00:42:46]  Big one?
[00:42:47]  Little one?
[00:42:48]  I heard a TV fell on the floor in Eagle River, something like that.
[00:42:52]  So what about it, folks?
[00:42:54]  Alaska only, please, at 1-800-618-8255.
[00:42:59]  That's 1-800-618-8255, Eagle River or Anchorage, Alaska.
[00:43:07]  Calling.
[00:43:09]  In a moment, back to the phones.
[00:43:10]  It's open lines tonight, and there is a very unusual photograph on my website.
[00:43:19]  It was reported prior, well, toward the end of the week, and then on Dreamland Sunday, an apparition of the Virgin Mary covering an entire building in Clearwater, Florida.
[00:43:28]  One of those things you wouldn't believe unless you see.
[00:43:32]  Well, if you want to see it, we've got that photograph.
[00:43:35]  It's on my website now.
[00:43:37]  But I mentioned it last hour, and now I can't get into my own website.
[00:43:42]  So good luck.
[00:43:44]  It's www.artbell.com.
[00:43:48]  And one other thing, beginning this hour, I am going to hold open my lines for our newest affiliate.
[00:43:53]  We've got a new one tonight.
[00:43:54]  Big one, too.
[00:43:55]  It is WPHTAM.
[00:44:00]  They were at one time WCAU in Philadelphia, the nation's fifth market, 1210 on the AM dial, 50,000 watts.
[00:44:10]  So my East of the Rockies line for about an hour or so gets devoted to those of you listening to WPHT.
[00:44:20]  If that's you, call us at 1-800-825-5033.
[00:44:27]  There have been a lot of people awaiting our arrival in Philadelphia.
[00:44:32]  And so here we are, 1-800-825-5033.
[00:44:36]  Here we are with 35 radio stations, something like that, 355.
[00:44:47]  And I still get nervous when a big new one comes online.
[00:44:52]  So what can I say?
[00:44:54]  If you hear a little bit of nervousness in my voice, it's because I once lived near Philadelphia.
[00:45:01]  I know how big that city is.
[00:45:03]  I know how big this radio station is.
[00:45:06]  It's one of the ones I dreamed of being on when I was a child.
[00:45:11]  And here I am on it.
[00:45:13]  Weird.
[00:45:14]  Worrisome.
[00:45:15]  And I'll go back to normal as soon as I stop thinking about it.
[00:45:19]  Hope you understand.
[00:45:40]  Repeating one little factoid that I had at the beginning of last hour.
[00:45:45]  58%, according to CNN, according to CNN, 58% of men report having had sex with a woman they actively disliked.
[00:45:57]  And when I asked my wife what she thought that meant about men in general, she made a very, very disparaging remark that had something to do with a tree trunk.
[00:46:08]  And this follow-up, Art of the 58% that have sex with women they don't like, how many are loyal to their wives?
[00:46:17]  I have no idea.
[00:46:19]  And I'm not sure that I want to know.
[00:46:22]  But I would imagine, based on the conclusions that one would have to come to from this first CNN factoid, that the figure would be very disparaging indeed.
[00:46:35]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:46:37]  Where are you, please?
[00:46:38]  Hi, Art.
[00:46:39]  This is Dave in Anchorage.
[00:46:40]  Oh, Anchorage, Alaska.
[00:46:41]  Hi, Dave.
[00:46:42]  Gee, you guys just shook a little bit, huh?
[00:46:45]  Well, we had a little trembling today.
[00:46:48]  I know they're a little larger than normal.
[00:46:50]  We get them, you know, fairly often, but the larger ones, I hear the houses down the street.
[00:46:57]  You know, though, I'll just say they're loud.
[00:46:59]  They're just shaking.
[00:47:00]  So you hear different types of material.
[00:47:03]  Okay, well, this was apparently a 5.0 earthquake 20 miles north of you.
[00:47:08]  Yeah, and what it wasn't, it has the potential to be worse.
[00:47:13]  You always get that feeling on some.
[00:47:16]  The reason this one shook a little more was it was a shallow quake, according to the earthquake center here.
[00:47:22]  Uh-huh.
[00:47:22]  Shallow.
[00:47:23]  Yeah, so they tend to be a little more.
[00:47:27]  There tends to be a little more movement with those.
[00:47:29]  So nothing that I guess shook you too badly.
[00:47:33]  The question you always want to ask when you have an earthquake like this is whether it is a precursor to a larger quake or whether you then begin having aftershocks indicating that was the main event.
[00:47:46]  I like little ones every so often.
[00:47:48]  Kind of balances things out.
[00:47:50]  I hear you.
[00:47:50]  Thank you very much for the report from Alaska.
[00:47:53]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:47:55]  Good morning.
[00:47:56]  Good morning, Art.
[00:47:57]  Hi.
[00:47:57]  Where are you?
[00:47:58]  Calling from Auburn, the Arthur Centy of the New Philadelphia Station.
[00:48:01]  I don't have to stretch my select onto that far at this time.
[00:48:04]  What do you normally listen to?
[00:48:06]  TAM or WLS.
[00:48:09]  Okay.
[00:48:09]  I'm from Phoenix originally, so I came to Albany and it's been, you know, it's wonderful to hear you in this market.
[00:48:14]  One quick what-if for you.
[00:48:15]  Sure.
[00:48:16]  What if the Reserve was federal?
[00:48:19]  Well, then all the information my sponsor is giving out would be incorrect.
[00:48:25]  I don't mean to mention your sponsors too much, but it's an interesting what-if I thought of when I heard your commercial one day.
[00:48:30]  Well, then it would be constitutional.
[00:48:34]  Right.
[00:48:34]  In other words, if you read the Constitution, only Congress, supposedly, shall have the rights that the Fed, a private organization, has.
[00:48:44]  Right?
[00:48:45]  Exactly.
[00:48:46]  So if it was federal, it would be constitutional.
[00:48:49]  However, I have always, I don't want to get into a big discussion about the Fed because we'll go in circles, but people are aghast at the fact that the Fed is not federal.
[00:49:02]  And constitutionally, they have a right to be.
[00:49:04]  But try and imagine if the people in Washington who we elected who are doing the spending, Congress, right?
[00:49:13]  They're the ones who appropriate money and they spend money, right?
[00:49:17]  If they were also in charge of printing money.
[00:49:21]  Now, bad as the Fed may be, or good as it may be, depending on your point of view, the fact that the people who spend the money cannot print the money, in my view, is better than not.
[00:49:34]  By the way, some questions for you to ponder.
[00:49:37]  If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?
[00:49:48]  Instead of talking to your plants, should you yell at them?
[00:49:51]  Would they still grow?
[00:49:53]  Only to be troubled and insecure.
[00:49:56]  Wildcard line, you're on the air.
[00:49:57]  Hi.
[00:49:58]  Arbel.
[00:49:59]  Yes.
[00:49:59]  This is Doug from Depot Bay, Oregon.
[00:50:01]  Remember me?
[00:50:02]  Called you a couple times already.
[00:50:04]  Welcome back.
[00:50:05]  Yeah, good to hear from you.
[00:50:06]  Yeah.
[00:50:06]  I call myself the militia man now, but less political.
[00:50:10]  Yeah, very interesting tonight.
[00:50:11]  Yeah, that thing in Texas is very interesting.
[00:50:14]  Yes.
[00:50:14]  I'm following that.
[00:50:15]  Yeah, it's good to hear from you.
[00:50:16]  I finally got to him using a kind of a speed dotter thing.
[00:50:19]  All right, well, you're through, so go ahead.
[00:50:21]  Okay, well, I'm just listening to your show, and it's exciting to be on.
[00:50:26]  I've been able to talk to you for a long time.
[00:50:28]  I know you already said all that, sir.
[00:50:29]  Go ahead and say what you want to say.
[00:50:31]  Well, I just want to tell you, just keep up the good work.
[00:50:34]  Oh, wait a minute.
[00:50:34]  I got Window Rock, Arizona, up here in Depot Bay, Oregon.
[00:50:37]  Really?
[00:50:38]  New station.
[00:50:38]  It came in loud and clear last night.
[00:50:40]  Oh, yes.
[00:50:40]  All right.
[00:50:41]  Thank you.
[00:50:41]  660 on the dial in Window Rock.

=== Eeriely Quiet Moments (06:37) ===

[00:50:45]  And I guess he was just excited to be on the air, to get through.
[00:50:48]  That is our station right in the middle of the, actually in the capital of the Navajo Nation, KTNN, Window Rock, Arizona.
[00:50:56]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:50:58]  Hi.
[00:50:59]  Hello there.
[00:51:01]  Going once flys, gone.
[00:51:02]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:51:04]  Good morning.
[00:51:05]  Hi, Art.
[00:51:05]  This is Cindy in Anchorage.
[00:51:07]  Hello.
[00:51:08]  Yeah, we had a pretty good shaker today.
[00:51:11]  How long ago, Cindy?
[00:51:13]  It was about 5.30, our time.
[00:51:14]  5:30 your time.
[00:51:16]  5:30.
[00:51:16]  Okay.
[00:51:17]  But the funny thing about it is you always sit for a minute and you wait for it to either continue bigger or wait for it to.
[00:51:27]  My moment of panic is usually when it's right at the very worst, and I'm ready.
[00:51:32]  You know, you're sitting there trying to make up your mind whether to get out or not.
[00:51:36]  That's right.
[00:51:37]  To run or not.
[00:51:38]  And I used to do a show on the island of Okinawa where we would have frequent earthquakes and sometimes very big earthquakes.
[00:51:49]  And we had a radio station there.
[00:51:50]  We had a microphone, an old, the broadcast people will know, an old RCA ribbon microphone.
[00:51:56]  And it was held right in front of the announcer by three wires that would go all the way up to the ceiling in a tripod kind of arrangement.
[00:52:05]  And one day when I was on the air, we had an earthquake.
[00:52:07]  I tell you, it was so bad, Cindy, that microphone went forward and hit the wall and came back toward me, and I had to duck or I would have lost all my teeth.
[00:52:20]  And that's how bad it was.
[00:52:21]  And I went down to the floor and just sat there, and it was getting bigger and bigger and bigger and kept rolling and kept rolling.
[00:52:28]  Things started to fall off all over the place, scared the heck out of me.
[00:52:33]  Yeah.
[00:52:34]  Well, I have a little parakeet, and he was, or she was kind of acting weird.
[00:52:39]  She does this periodically anyway, but she was flying around the cage and smacking into the cage, and then all of a sudden just sat real quiet.
[00:52:46]  How?
[00:52:46]  And right after that, we had the earthquake.
[00:52:49]  Yeah, how, oh, I was going to say, how much warning did your parakeet give you?
[00:52:53]  A couple seconds.
[00:52:54]  A couple of seconds.
[00:52:55]  Yes.
[00:52:55]  But then sometimes it'll get so eerily quiet with all the animals.
[00:52:59]  I've heard this before.
[00:53:00]  I've never had animals that have done it.
[00:53:02]  But they get real quiet.
[00:53:03]  Everything gets real quiet.
[00:53:04]  Birds outside, everything gets real quiet.
[00:53:06]  And then you can have an earthquake.
[00:53:09]  I appreciate the call.
[00:53:10]  Okay.
[00:53:11]  Thank you, dear.
[00:53:12]  That's Anchorage again.
[00:53:15]  You know, I'm a cat person.
[00:53:16]  I have three cats.
[00:53:17]  Does anybody out there have any idea why there is not mouse-flavored cat food?
[00:53:25]  Now, I probably just gave somebody a gazillion-dollar idea.
[00:53:30]  But I don't know what a mouse tastes like, nor do I want to know.
[00:53:32]  But cats seem to love mice.
[00:53:35]  So why not make, I mean, they make chicken.
[00:53:38]  You go out and you look at cat food.
[00:53:40]  Go to the store, right?
[00:53:40]  Chicken, all kinds of things, liver, things that cats apparently like.
[00:53:45]  Why not make mouse-flavored cat food?
[00:53:48]  They would love it, wouldn't they?
[00:53:50]  First time color line, you're on the air.
[00:53:53]  Hello.
[00:53:53]  Oh, hello, Ort.
[00:53:54]  Yes, sir.
[00:53:55]  This is John up here in Calgary.
[00:53:57]  How you doing, man?
[00:53:58]  Calgary, Alberta.
[00:53:59]  Yes.
[00:53:59]  Hi, John.
[00:54:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:01]  Yeah, just a few things here.
[00:54:02]  First of all, I want to thank you for finally getting in the Atlanta market.
[00:54:07]  All my friends down there were dependent on me.
[00:54:10]  I had to call them the next day and report what the show was about.
[00:54:13]  Ridiculous.
[00:54:14]  Well, we're glad to be on the air in Atlanta, too.
[00:54:16]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:17]  Well, they were just left high and dry for a while there.
[00:54:21]  Well, not anymore.
[00:54:22]  Not anymore.
[00:54:23]  About Dreamland last night.
[00:54:26]  We have a mutual friend in Linda Howe.
[00:54:28]  We'll talk about that at another time.
[00:54:30]  Well, now, we've got to be a little careful because a lot of the people here don't get Dreamland.
[00:54:35]  And so they don't know what it is.
[00:54:37]  We had a captain on last night who was talking about the Tampa Triangle and an area called the Dead Zone.
[00:54:42]  It was really kind of interesting.
[00:54:44]  That was Dreamland last night.
[00:54:45]  Yes.
[00:54:46]  Yeah, well, when I lived in Atlanta, I kept my boat in Savannah and used to do quite a bit of sailing down there through the Bahama chain.
[00:54:54]  Yes.
[00:54:54]  And we were in Bimini, which is the first East.
[00:54:59]  Oh, yes.
[00:55:00]  You know where Bimini is?
[00:55:01]  Yes, I do.
[00:55:01]  Well, we were sleeping in the motel when we heard this sound like a riot going on.
[00:55:06]  There were people yelling and screaming and beating on drums.
[00:55:10]  Oh, my God, we're going to get killed.
[00:55:12]  They were doing was that they, every year they do this festival and they chase the chubacabra off of Bibini Island onto Little Bibini, which is separated from Bimini Island just by a little channel there.
[00:55:25]  And it's a ritual they do it every year.
[00:55:27]  They chase the Chuba Cabra off of the main island in Bibini up to the little island.
[00:55:34]  Well, I was going to say that's probably why the mainland is experiencing the Chubacabra.
[00:55:38]  Yeah, I think they all came from Bibini.
[00:55:42]  I wouldn't be surprised.
[00:55:43]  I wouldn't be surprised.
[00:55:44]  Oh, I'll give you a couple more reasons why the government doesn't want you skin diving on German submarines.
[00:55:51]  Why?
[00:55:52]  Well, you have to cut your way in.
[00:55:54]  And salt water and batteries, once they do corrode, forms a very combustible mixture.
[00:56:01]  And they don't want some sort of horrible explosion or accident or environmental problem, I understand.
[00:56:08]  He was talking about a German U-boat that somebody cut their way into.
[00:56:12]  This was my guest Sunday.
[00:56:14]  And it was a really chilling report.
[00:56:16]  Really a chilling report.
[00:56:19]  They found these apparently sun-tanned.
[00:56:23]  It's horrible.
[00:56:24]  Sun-tanned bodies inside.
[00:56:26]  I really don't want to go into it.
[00:56:27]  It freaked me out.
[00:56:28]  Wildcard line, you're on the air.
[00:56:30]  Hi.
[00:56:30]  Hi, Art, Bill.
[00:56:32]  How are you?
[00:56:32]  I'm fine.
[00:56:33]  What's on your mind?
[00:56:34]  Well, there's a lot on my mind.
[00:56:37]  The thing about this is on my mind.
[00:56:39]  Where are you?
[00:56:40]  I'm in Los Angeles.
[00:56:42]  Los Angeles, all right?
[00:56:43]  Yeah, you don't get a whole lot of calls from here.
[00:56:45]  Yes, I do.
[00:56:46]  But how would a spaceship bring an elephant down to the earth?
[00:56:51]  Very carefully, sir.
[00:56:52]  Very carefully.
[00:56:53]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:56:55]  Hello.
[00:56:56]  Hi, Art.
[00:56:57]  Hi, turn your radio off, please.
[00:56:58]  Okay, it's off.
[00:56:59]  This is Andy in New Jersey.
[00:57:01]  Andy in New Jersey.
[00:57:02]  Correct.
[00:57:04]  It's great.
[00:57:05]  I got about three or four stations to listen to you on, and you fade out because they're out of the area, and WCAU is about 50 miles from me.

=== Vatican's Controlling Interest in Arizona Observatory (02:49) ===

[00:57:15]  Well, they were once WCAU.
[00:57:17]  They are now, in case you're curious, WPHT.
[00:57:22]  P-H-T.
[00:57:23]  Yeah, 12-10 on the dial.
[00:57:25]  They're 12-10 on right now.
[00:57:27]  I imagine they get into New Jersey like a laser beam.
[00:57:30]  Yeah, oh, they do.
[00:57:32]  Say, I wanted to bring up a thing about that observatory on the mountain in Arizona.
[00:57:38]  Yes, sir.
[00:57:39]  It is an observatory.
[00:57:40]  He's talking about Graham, Mount Graham, where the Vatican has the, I guess I would say, controlling interest is the right way to put it, in an observatory.
[00:57:50]  And everybody's wondering why the Vatican would want an observatory.
[00:57:53]  Yeah, I know.
[00:57:54]  I was listening to your program, but you know what?
[00:57:56]  There's a mountaintop, and I'm not sure that's the one, but Shorty McLean tried to build a, wanted to build a nice house on top of the mountain, and she had all kinds of trouble trying to get a variant, you know, to build a mountain on the mountaintop.
[00:58:16]  Yes.
[00:58:16]  And she finally gave up.
[00:58:18]  And that just goes to show you that.
[00:58:21]  How much power the Vatican has.
[00:58:23]  Correct.
[00:58:24]  That's it.
[00:58:25]  Okay, Art.
[00:58:26]  Thanks.
[00:58:26]  Thank you, sir.
[00:58:27]  I wanted to bring that up.
[00:58:28]  All right, thanks.
[00:58:29]  Yeah, it's true.
[00:58:30]  Somehow, through all the environmental regulation and prohibition that there was at Mount Graham, somehow the Vatican managed with political muscle and oomph, and you could imagine the Vatican is very powerful.
[00:58:45]  They managed to go zipping by all of those environmental regulations and build an observatory on Mount Graham.
[00:58:54]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[00:58:56]  Good morning.
[00:58:57]  Yeah, Art.
[00:58:57]  He was just talking about the Vatican.
[00:58:59]  It'd be interesting to see what they had to say about some of those holes in the ground.
[00:59:04]  Where are you, sir?
[00:59:05]  Rochester, New York.
[00:59:06]  Rochester.
[00:59:07]  Okay.
[00:59:09]  The other thing I wanted to mention was: you'll have to help me out with pronunciation here.
[00:59:14]  Is a communist guerrilla back in the 60s, Shea Gwere?
[00:59:18]  Shea Guevara.
[00:59:19]  Yes, sir.
[00:59:20]  What about it?
[00:59:21]  Anyway, I read a book, Shadow Soldier.
[00:59:25]  Yes.
[00:59:26]  And the guy highlighted it over.
[00:59:29]  But anyway, he was down in Bolivia when Shea was taken in custody by the Bolivian Army.
[00:59:36]  Just kind of an interesting thing that he mentioned and didn't go into too much, but apparently Shea, from the time he was a boy, a young man, he was asthmatic.

=== Any Way You Name It (04:14) ===

[00:59:49]  Yes.
[00:59:50]  Okay.
[00:59:50]  The CIA operator never had a problem with it.
[00:59:56]  What?
[00:59:57]  Huh?
[00:59:57]  What?
[00:59:58]  Okay.
[00:59:59]  What are you talking about?
[01:00:00]  Okay, the spook that wrote the book.
[01:00:02]  Oh.
[01:00:03]  Never had a problem with asthma.
[01:00:05]  Shake whatever.
[01:00:07]  It always had a problem with that.
[01:00:11]  Yeah.
[01:00:12]  Okay.
[01:00:13]  So, anyway, they got him down there.
[01:00:16]  They got him buttoned up and everything.
[01:00:18]  And the American, he tries to save the guy's life.
[01:00:22]  Anyway, Beliz says, no, no.
[01:00:24]  I sure wish I knew what you were talking about.
[01:00:26]  Shea was shot.
[01:00:29]  I don't think he expired because of asthma.
[01:00:32]  Not exactly sure where that man was headed.
[01:00:35]  Anyway, I know where we're headed to the bottom of the hour.
[01:00:38]  I've got a list here, by the way, of how the American media would report the end of the world.
[01:00:47]  USA Today, we're dead.
[01:00:49]  The Wall Street Journal, Dal Jones plummets as world ends.
[01:00:53]  The National Enquirer, OJ and Nicole, together again.
[01:00:58]  We'll be right back.
[01:00:59]  This is Premier Networks.
[01:01:01]  That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this somewhere in Time.
[01:01:07]  Can't save alive without your love.
[01:01:12]  Oh, baby, don't leave me this way.
[01:01:36]  We take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
[01:01:42]  Open line, on screen, going anywhere kind of talk radio.
[01:01:45]  You name it, we'll talk about it.
[01:02:05]  How would major publications cover the end of the world?
[01:02:09]  Playboy, Girls of the Apocalypse, Microsoft Systems Journal, Apple loses market share.
[01:02:17]  Victoria's Secret Catalog, our final sale, Sports Illustrated, game over.
[01:02:23]  Wired, the last new thing.
[01:02:26]  Rolling Stone, The Grateful Dead Reunion Tour.
[01:02:29]  Well, that's awful.
[01:02:31]  Reader's Digest by Discover Magazine.
[01:02:35]  How will the extinction of all life as we know it affect the way we view the cosmos?
[01:02:41]  TV Guide, Death and Damn Nation.
[01:02:44]  Colon.
[01:02:45]  Semicolon.
[01:02:46]  Nielsen Ratings Soar.
[01:02:47]  Ladies' Home Journal lose 10 pounds by Judgment Day with our new Armageddon Diet.
[01:02:53]  Inc. Magazine.
[01:02:55]  10 Ways You Can Profit from the Apocalypse.
[01:02:58]  Microsoft's website.
[01:03:00]  If you didn't experience the rapture, download Software Patch Rapture.
[01:03:06]  That's R-A-P-T777.exe.
[01:03:10]  And finally, America Online, system temporarily down.
[01:03:14]  Try calling back in 15 minutes.
[01:03:17]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:03:19]  Hi.
[01:03:20]  Hi, this is Carol from Peters Creek, Alaska.
[01:03:23]  Hi, Carol.
[01:03:24]  We heard you did some shaking.
[01:03:26]  Yeah, I was at work in Anchorage.
[01:03:28]  I work in the Fifth Avenue Mall, and we're on the bottom floor.
[01:03:32]  Yes.
[01:03:33]  Small gift shop.
[01:03:34]  Gift shop.
[01:03:35]  Yes.
[01:03:35]  So you've got lots of nice stuff arranged on shelves.
[01:03:39]  Oh, arranged on shelves, hanging from rafters, whatever.

=== Why The Event Occurred (15:36) ===

[01:03:45]  And everything was shaken pretty good.
[01:03:47]  But no major damage.
[01:03:50]  No, nothing fell that we knew of.
[01:03:52]  But I live 25 miles north of Anchorage.
[01:03:56]  Just got home.
[01:03:57]  And can't even tell we had an earthquake here.
[01:04:01]  Really?
[01:04:01]  I'm not sure.
[01:04:03]  You should be about five miles from what was the epicenter.
[01:04:06]  Right, so I don't know exactly where that was.
[01:04:08]  Now all you've got to do is ask yourself, was it the pre-shock or was that the event?
[01:04:14]  Oh, probably the event.
[01:04:17]  That's the optimist talking.
[01:04:20]  And I hope you're exactly right.
[01:04:22]  Oh, yeah.
[01:04:23]  Any idea why they don't make mouse-flavored cat food?
[01:04:26]  Well, yes, I was thinking about that after you talked about it.
[01:04:30]  Really?
[01:04:31]  Seriously.
[01:04:32]  I think the dogs actually probably don't, or the mice, or the cats, probably don't like the taste of a mouse.
[01:04:39]  They just like to play with them.
[01:04:41]  Well, there's a lot to be said for that point of view.
[01:04:44]  I appreciate your call.
[01:04:44]  And she's really right because when my cat chases a mouse, and he's found a couple for me, the only thing he does is like he chases it and then he lays on it to keep it in one place.
[01:04:59]  And it finally wiggles out and runs and he runs and lays down on it again.
[01:05:03]  But he didn't kill it.
[01:05:05]  He never kills them.
[01:05:06]  He never eats them.
[01:05:07]  He just chases them.
[01:05:08]  So that lady may have a very good point.
[01:05:11]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:05:13]  Good morning.
[01:05:13]  All right, fellas, is Bob.
[01:05:15]  I'm a trucker.
[01:05:15]  I'm on the Ohio PA line listening to you on 1210.
[01:05:18]  That really fills the gap.
[01:05:20]  Well, all right.
[01:05:22]  WPHD in Philadelphia.
[01:05:24]  Yes, sir.
[01:05:25]  I'll tell you, I've got my preset set for Youngstar in Cleveland, Chicago.
[01:05:29]  But when I get across Pennsylvania in the mountains, I start to lose you.
[01:05:34]  And now, all of a sudden, here we are again.
[01:05:36]  Pennsylvania is wide open.
[01:05:37]  Hey, I got a question for you.
[01:05:39]  Sure.
[01:05:39]  Next time you get Richard Hoagland on, since Hailbop appears to be in multiple pieces, could you have him check and see if both our Mars missions are still heading to Mars?
[01:05:48]  You know, I heard a rumor that there was a fairly serious problem with one of those probes.
[01:05:55]  Now, it's only at the rumor stage, but I'm not surprised.
[01:05:59]  I appreciate the call, sir.
[01:06:01]  Thank you.
[01:06:03]  Only at the rumor stage, we have two probes on the way to Mars, and there was an initial small problem with one of them.
[01:06:12]  And apparently, I say apparently, it's a rumor at the rumor stage, but there may be something more serious wrong.
[01:06:21]  I'll let you know.
[01:06:22]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:06:24]  Hi.
[01:06:24]  Hi, Art.
[01:06:25]  This is Eric from Indiana.
[01:06:26]  Eric from Indiana.
[01:06:27]  Yeah, I got two quick things for you.
[01:06:28]  First, as an addition to your Into the World list, Time magazine would be the world comes to an end, late-night talk show, host to blame.
[01:06:42]  You're exactly right.
[01:06:43]  And the other one was I think that I might want to get in contact with your Friends in Strange Universe.
[01:06:49]  Yes.
[01:06:50]  I think they did a show on that Virgin Mary or a segment on it.
[01:06:54]  I'll have to look for it.
[01:06:55]  I appreciate your call.
[01:06:57]  World comes to an end, late-night talk show, host to blame.
[01:07:00]  Yeah, that's about right.
[01:07:01]  I can read that inline now.
[01:07:03]  Oh, my.
[01:07:04]  Well, look, we're trying to hold this East of the Rockies line open for people listening to Philadelphia, our newest affiliate in Philadelphia.
[01:07:13]  Some of them are probably going, huh?
[01:07:17]  It's a long story, folks.
[01:07:18]  Hailbop and the companion story, which I'm not going to burden everybody with by retelling right now, despite the freshness of the folks in Philadelphia.
[01:07:28]  You will learn as time goes on.
[01:07:30]  WPHTAM, 1210 a.m. in Philadelphia.
[01:07:33]  It's a big new one, so we're going to be holding the East of the Rockies line open for a while for them.
[01:07:38]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:07:40]  Hi.
[01:07:40]  Hello, Art.
[01:07:41]  Hi.
[01:07:42]  His name's Brian.
[01:07:42]  I'm calling you from Michigan.
[01:07:43]  Yes, sir.
[01:07:45]  And I just wanted you to know what I go through to get to you every night.
[01:07:48]  Well, I appreciate that, but, you know, I'm holding this line open for...
[01:07:52]  Well, Ken, right?
[01:07:53]  Yeah.
[01:07:53]  I'm listening to you on 1210.
[01:07:55]  In Michigan?
[01:07:56]  I sure am.
[01:07:56]  I leave work at usually 3.30.
[01:07:59]  I left early tonight, and I get to you for about 10 miles on FNT out of Flint.
[01:08:04]  And then I play with 1180 and 1100 all the way to Saginaw.
[01:08:08]  And then from Saginaw across over to Harrison, I listen to you, usually on WLS, but it's in and out.
[01:08:15]  And tonight you mentioned 1210, and I turned it over, and there you were, loud and clear.
[01:08:19]  They must have.
[01:08:20]  All right.
[01:08:20]  Well, thank you very much.
[01:08:21]  I'll tell you they must have some kind of pattern then because the pattern, you know, they have what's called a pattern book.
[01:08:28]  And it's very old.
[01:08:29]  I don't think you can get them anymore.
[01:08:31]  My boss has one.
[01:08:32]  And we looked up the pattern for Philadelphia.
[01:08:36]  And it showed a very nice circle which seemed to cut through Vermont and New Hampshire and to eastern Ohio and then down across the top third of North Carolina and then of course out to sea.
[01:08:49]  Apparently, with a good radio, why that is an understated pattern.
[01:08:55]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:08:57]  Hi.
[01:08:58]  Hi, Art Bell.
[01:08:59]  Yes.
[01:08:59]  Yes, this is Nancy from New York.
[01:09:02]  Well, hello, Nancy from New York.
[01:09:03]  Where in New York, Nance?
[01:09:05]  Long Island.
[01:09:06]  Long Island?
[01:09:06]  Yes.
[01:09:07]  All right.
[01:09:08]  I could not resist talking to you about the mouse food.
[01:09:13]  Well, any idea?
[01:09:14]  I mean...
[01:09:15]  No, though...
[01:09:16]  The only reason that they sell the other kind and the cats like the mouse is because the mouse moves and the rest of the food doesn't move.
[01:09:26]  So they don't actually like to eat mice.
[01:09:28]  They don't like the taste of mice.
[01:09:29]  No, they like to chase them.
[01:09:32]  But there are a lot of cats that do eat mice.
[01:09:34]  Witness.
[01:09:35]  I haven't seen any.
[01:09:37]  Well.
[01:09:37]  I have had cats all my life.
[01:09:39]  Yeah, but I'll tell you, I used to have some cats, generally outdoor cats.
[01:09:42]  I've got indoor cats now.
[01:09:43]  I don't trust them because we've got coyotes out here.
[01:09:45]  But outdoor cats will proudly bring, sometimes, like half a mouse to you.
[01:09:52]  No, they'll totally bring the whole mouse to you.
[01:09:55]  And they play with it and this and that.
[01:09:57]  Now, if somebody could manufacture a can of food that moves around, I'm sure that would be a good deal.
[01:10:08]  Hey, listen, where are you on Long Island?
[01:10:10]  My mom is from Long Island.
[01:10:11]  Oh, I'm in Middle Island.
[01:10:13]  Okay, in the middle, huh?
[01:10:15]  Well, I'm about, I don't know, 10 miles west of Riverhead.
[01:10:23]  And I suppose hearing us on our new 1210.
[01:10:26]  I've been listening to you for about three years, and this is the first time I've ever wanted to call you because I just couldn't resist talking about mouse food.
[01:10:37]  All right, thank you very much.
[01:10:39]  I don't know.
[01:10:40]  Yes, I do.
[01:10:41]  I said that.
[01:10:41]  Why don't they make mouse-flavored cat food?
[01:10:45]  And now I guess we know the answer because cats don't really like the flavor of mice because they actually don't eat them, I guess.
[01:10:52]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:10:54]  Hi.
[01:10:56]  Hello there.
[01:10:57]  Going, going, gone.
[01:10:59]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:11:01]  Good morning.
[01:11:01]  Hi.
[01:11:02]  Hello there.
[01:11:03]  No?
[01:11:04]  Wildguard Line, you're on the air.
[01:11:05]  Good morning.
[01:11:06]  Good morning, Art.
[01:11:07]  This is Tony Las Vegas.
[01:11:08]  Hello.
[01:11:08]  Hey, you know, I just had a vision about the end of the world.
[01:11:14]  It was unbelievable.
[01:11:15]  It was actually came in dream form.
[01:11:17]  And what did you visualize?
[01:11:18]  Unbelievable.
[01:11:19]  45, what looked like water spouts coming east-southeast from Las Vegas, and they were all in a row.
[01:11:31]  Water spouts?
[01:11:34]  Tony?
[01:11:34]  Yeah.
[01:11:35]  Tony, we live in the desert.
[01:11:36]  I know, but they went straight up into the atmosphere.
[01:11:39]  But, Tony, we live in the desert.
[01:11:41]  I know, but I couldn't understand.
[01:11:42]  If you get water spouts, you'd get sand spouts.
[01:11:44]  Oh, I know.
[01:11:45]  But they were shooting water bowling balls.
[01:11:48]  Water bowling balls, all right?
[01:11:51]  Water bowling balls from water spouts in the desert.
[01:11:55]  Tony, get some rest.
[01:11:57]  First time caller line, you're on the air.
[01:11:59]  Hello.
[01:12:01]  Hello?
[01:12:02]  Hello?
[01:12:02]  Howdy.
[01:12:03]  Howdy?
[01:12:04]  Turn your radio off.
[01:12:05]  Oh, it's satellite.
[01:12:06]  Well, turn that off.
[01:12:08]  It's off.
[01:12:10]  Yeah, I just wanted to say this is Ron from the high desert in California here.
[01:12:15]  Yes, Ron.
[01:12:16]  Yeah, you know, at 8:46 p.m. California time, I seen something that came out of the sky there.
[01:12:23]  It was bright like a star falling, except immediately I thought it was a flare.
[01:12:28]  But I live in the mountains.
[01:12:31]  What direction was it?
[01:12:32]  It was in the easterly direction.
[01:12:34]  It wasn't in the northeast.
[01:12:35]  It was all right.
[01:12:36]  Well, you are one of Godzillians who saw it.
[01:12:38]  Apparently, it was over the Las Vegas area, is what we're getting, and was seen to the west in California.
[01:12:46]  So it had to be of pretty doggone good altitude, I would say, to be seen that far away.
[01:12:51]  So you're not the only one.
[01:12:53]  Well, and it fell to the ground.
[01:12:55]  It was like a.
[01:12:57]  I beg your pardon?
[01:12:58]  It was like something.
[01:12:59]  It was like a bright star that actually floated to the ground.
[01:13:03]  I live at approximately 4,000 elevation.
[01:13:06]  Yes.
[01:13:07]  And the mountains are surrounding me, so that's why I got satellite.
[01:13:11]  Fell to the ground about where?
[01:13:14]  It was in the easterly direction.
[01:13:16]  I'd say maybe approximately 4,000 in the direction of Barstow area.
[01:13:26]  Barstow.
[01:13:27]  All right.
[01:13:27]  I would guess.
[01:13:28]  All right.
[01:13:28]  Well, I appreciate that report.
[01:13:30]  And hmm.
[01:13:33]  Maybe something landed out between Las Vegas and in the Barstow area.
[01:13:43]  Shades of Mars attacks.
[01:13:46]  I broadcast from a little town called Perrump, Nevada.
[01:13:51]  And you may recall, if you have not yet seen it, it soon will be available in video stores, if not yet, Mars Attacks.
[01:14:00]  Of course, attacked my little town, Perrump, Nevada.
[01:14:05]  Very small town here.
[01:14:06]  I mean, not very small.
[01:14:08]  When I first moved here, we were about 7,000.
[01:14:10]  I think we're about 20,000 now.
[01:14:13]  But in the beginning of Mars attacks, when they came down, they wiped out actually a bunch of people out in the desert, some bleachers, waiting for the Martians to land, and they totally wiped them out, you may recall.
[01:14:24]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:14:26]  Hi.
[01:14:26]  Hello, Art.
[01:14:27]  I'm down here in Cookville, Tennessee.
[01:14:29]  Name is Ed.
[01:14:30]  Got you on 1210, loud and clear, like a local station.
[01:14:33]  Wow.
[01:14:35]  And it's really loud and clear.
[01:14:38]  Better than your FM up here in Nashville.
[01:14:42]  Well, that's amazing.
[01:14:45]  Got your book, The Quickening.
[01:14:46]  Oh, you've got the book?
[01:14:47]  I've almost read it entirely.
[01:14:49]  And, well, I've got to tell you, Art, when the son of Marines will write something like this, the Republic is in trouble.
[01:14:58]  You think so, huh?
[01:14:58]  Well, the Republic, sir, I've got news for you, is in trouble.
[01:15:02]  Oh, no, it is, and I agree with a lot that you wrote about.
[01:15:07]  That, of course, is not why I called.
[01:15:09]  I did call because of Richard Hoagland.
[01:15:12]  And I have attended a Richard Hoagland seminar in Boulder several years ago in the month of February.
[01:15:21]  I think it was 95.
[01:15:23]  Yes.
[01:15:24]  And I think one thing that we need to realize as Americans, we need to realize who we are.
[01:15:30]  We think we're free men and women, but we really and truly are the slaves of a civilian and military industrial complex.
[01:15:41]  You know, I actually disagree with that.
[01:15:44]  We're only going to know what Uncle Sam wants you to know.
[01:15:48]  No, you can know what you're able to find out.
[01:15:52]  Look, listen on the air.
[01:15:56]  You can know what you're able to find out.
[01:15:58]  I don't know how you define freedom, but to me, freedom is the ability to seek information.
[01:16:04]  Remember the old Soviet Union?
[01:16:07]  Remember the old iron block?
[01:16:10]  There you were not free to seek information.
[01:16:14]  Here you are.
[01:16:14]  As a matter of fact, if anything, your freedom is abridged by too much information.
[01:16:20]  And it's really not a bridge, in a sense.
[01:16:25]  So your complaint, I reject your complaint, sir.
[01:16:28]  We have, if anything, too much information, and it's very difficult to sift through and pick out the truth from the wheat from the chaff and all that kind of baloney.
[01:16:40]  That's the hard part about living in America.
[01:16:43]  Not that you don't hear the truth, but that you don't know it when you hear it.
[01:16:48]  Because there is so much information out there.
[01:16:51]  So I reject that.
[01:16:52]  I am nobody's slave.
[01:16:54]  I'm not under anybody's control, and I know a lot of people, and even I joke about the CIA and all the rest of that.
[01:17:00]  But nobody controls what I'm doing.
[01:17:03]  Nobody controls what I'm saying.
[01:17:05]  I sit here and say what I want to say every night, and there is no limit on the news.
[01:17:10]  You know me, we'll put just about anything on the air.
[01:17:12]  So I reject that.
[01:17:14]  We are not slaves.
[01:17:15]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:17:17]  Art Bell?
[01:17:18]  Yes, sir.
[01:17:19]  I'm a first-time caller, by the way.
[01:17:21]  Where are you?
[01:17:22]  San Diego?
[01:17:23]  Yes, sir.
[01:17:25]  A couple things that you had on your program here not too long ago with that guy that was on about the he was way over my head as far as scientists go, but he said something about do we know we're in the world as such.
[01:17:41]  And I happened to think of a program I saw with.
[01:17:44]  Wait, are you talking about the nanotechnology program?
[01:17:47]  Yeah.
[01:17:48]  And he... Charles Haussmann.
[01:17:50]  That's him.
[01:17:51]  And it showed the world and showed the confrontation of a nuclear war and it showed it going up in smoke and all of a sudden it drew back and it was a cloud of smoke coming out of a cop's coat standing on the beat.
[01:18:07]  And it was really amazing that he happened to hit that fact.
[01:18:12]  One other thing I called about was the 800 flight that went down.
[01:18:16]  Yes.
[01:18:17]  Everybody has all the opinions about what caused it and everything else.
[01:18:21]  Nobody has ever come up with a laser beam.
[01:18:24]  Well, sure.
[01:18:25]  Yes, they have.
[01:18:26]  I mean, people have talked about meteorites.
[01:18:28]  People have talked about laser beams, space shots, missiles.
[01:18:33]  I'm not sure we've missed anything.
[01:18:38]  And the one explanation people seem totally unprepared to accept is that of an accident.
[01:18:46]  They do happen.
[01:18:48]  And, you know, I'm not saying that it was an accident because I don't know.
[01:18:54]  However, after exhaustively reconstructing that aircraft, there is no indication of metal bends that are inward or outward, indicating that anything, any object, would have passed through it.

=== Daring to Question (04:53) ===

[01:19:11]  Now, I'm not saying there are not conspiracies, and I'm not saying that thing might not have been shot down or brought down in some way that we'll never know about.
[01:19:18]  I'm just saying that outwardly, I'm beginning to move closer to accepting what apparently even the FBI, which doggedly stayed on the case, trying to prove that it was some sort of criminal act, is now beginning to move away from.
[01:19:39]  So, I'm not settled on it, but I'm beginning to accept the fact that it might have been an accident.
[01:19:46]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:19:47]  Hi.
[01:19:48]  Hi, let me hit my remote control here and turn this radio off.
[01:19:51]  How are you doing, Art?
[01:19:51]  Okay, where are you?
[01:19:52]  Are you from southeastern Connecticut, and I've got to tell you that 12, 10 a.m. is the greatest thing to happen to southern Connecticut.
[01:19:59]  We can actually hear you now reliably.
[01:20:01]  It's a great question.
[01:20:01]  Well, then say thank you, WPHT.
[01:20:04]  Absolutely beautiful signal.
[01:20:06]  A little bit of fading, but not bad at all.
[01:20:08]  Good.
[01:20:09]  Art, you said you didn't want to talk too much about the Fed.
[01:20:12]  That's fine, but you could confirm this for me or one of your listeners.
[01:20:15]  I had heard from several sources that the IRS, the Internal Revenue Service, is also a private, if you will, entity or agency.
[01:20:25]  No.
[01:20:26]  Not true.
[01:20:27]  Not true.
[01:20:29]  But the Fed definitely is private.
[01:20:31]  Yeah.
[01:20:32]  And last but not least, you left out one important part of the media here.
[01:20:37]  How would Art Bell cover The End of the World?
[01:20:40]  But I think you're right.
[01:20:41]  I can tell you.
[01:20:42]  I think you already did.
[01:20:43]  I would cover it live.
[01:20:45]  The way I do everything else.
[01:20:46]  My wife would be out on the porch with a microphone, you know, and we'd talk that sucker in.
[01:20:51]  I mean, if it was an asteroid, we'd do some color and get out there and talk it in.
[01:20:58]  I'm not going to be a repeat of a few months ago.
[01:21:00]  Remember when you opened that phone line for God?
[01:21:04]  Yes, I do.
[01:21:06]  And I recall getting an awful lot of calls, too.
[01:21:08]  Now, what does that say about the general population?
[01:21:11]  Yeah.
[01:21:12]  I guess we have egos, don't we?
[01:21:16]  And in addition, 50, what was it, 58% of all men report having had sex with a woman that they actively dislike.
[01:21:23]  Have you ever had sex with a woman you don't like?
[01:21:26]  I don't want to talk about it.
[01:21:28]  The answer is yes, isn't it?
[01:21:30]  All right, thank you very much.
[01:21:33]  I swear, it was a CNN factoid earlier in the day.
[01:21:36]  What does that say about men?
[01:21:38]  Or should I dare even ask such a question?
[01:21:41]  The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
[01:21:46]  More Somewhere in Time coming up.
[01:21:51]  We're listening to Art Bell,
[01:22:22]  Somewhere in Time.
[01:22:23]  Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 5th, 1997.
[01:22:28]  All right, I'm beginning to feel a little more normal now.
[01:22:31]  I tell you, I don't know what it is, but it still happens.
[01:22:34]  When I have a new affiliate come on, particularly one in a big city, it throws me off.
[01:22:40]  I get nervous.
[01:22:41]  I actually get a little panic attack before I go on this after 355 radio stations.
[01:22:47]  You would think somehow I would be over that by now, but I'm not.
[01:22:53]  Although at the moment I'm beginning to get over it.
[01:22:55]  As of tonight, we've got a brand new and a big one.
[01:22:57]  WPHT AM 1210 Philadelphia.
[01:23:01]  50,000 non-directional screaming watts.
[01:23:05]  And apparently they're heard all over the place.
[01:23:06]  And so to celebrate, I am opening my, holding open my East of the Rockies line for people listening to WPHT in Philadelphia.
[01:23:17]  That number is 1-800-825-5033.
[01:23:23]  Now, hi, Art.
[01:23:26]  Virtues are almost always learned at your mother's knee.
[01:23:30]  Vices are generally picked up at other joints.
[01:23:35]  Thank you.
[01:23:36]  That's Anne in Albuquerque.
[01:23:37]  And an obvious response to the 50-some-odd percent of men who have had sex at one time or another with a woman they actively dislike.

=== Hormones And Hunger (02:46) ===

[01:23:46]  And this also, oh, 58%, excuse me.
[01:23:49]  What is indicated by the factoid that 58% of males admit to having sex with a woman they actively dislike?
[01:23:55]  Right down to it.
[01:23:56]  When you consider that the sex drive/slash appetite is controlled by testosterone in both sexes, and that an average woman has only a fraction as much testosterone as a man, it means that most men crave sex enough, especially when deprived, that sometimes standards be damned.
[01:24:18]  Much like a voraciously hungry or thirsty person would eat or drink what other, perhaps more satiated people would refuse to get near.
[01:24:27]  In other words, he's saying the answer is hormones.
[01:24:33]  I guess.
[01:24:34]  Hi, Art.
[01:24:35]  Your cat, and we were talking about mouse-flavored cat food.
[01:24:38]  Don't ask me why.
[01:24:40]  Your cat food would be a grand test for nanotechnology.
[01:24:44]  Think about it.
[01:24:45]  Tastes like salmon, looks like a mouse, runs around the water dish at dinner time, and best of all, no tails to pick up.
[01:24:55]  Thanks, Will.
[01:24:56]  And this, Art, regarding cats and eating mice, not true.
[01:25:00]  My cat catches and plays with mice and generally eats them too.
[01:25:07]  Mainly the heads, although I can't figure that one out.
[01:25:09]  Cats mostly, most certainly do eat rodents or parts thereof.
[01:25:13]  Okay, so if that's true then, why not mouse-flavored cat food?
[01:25:18]  And continuing on that topic, another facts, Art, here are some other cat food flavors.
[01:25:24]  They don't make, but you might wonder why.
[01:25:26]  Bug, bug-flavored cat food, houseplant, especially the expensive ones, yarn or other strings, newspaper, and human ankle.
[01:25:39]  Yeah, human-ankle-flavored cat food.
[01:25:42]  That's from Ron in Birmingham, Alabama.
[01:25:44]  in a moment back to the telephone lines by the way tomorrow night for the first couple of hours a child of philadelphia linda moulton how is going to be here and uh...

=== Ionospheric Heating and Signals (06:07) ===

[01:26:14]  she's been doing a lot of research on things environmental that we talk about here And you're not going to want to miss that.
[01:26:20]  She'll be here at the beginning of the program tomorrow night, Linda Moulton Howe.
[01:26:25]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:26:27]  Hello.
[01:26:28]  Hello, Art.
[01:26:29]  Hi.
[01:26:30]  Hi.
[01:26:31]  Yeah, I wanted to call and just give your listeners some background on ionospheric propagation and this harp device.
[01:26:41]  All right, where are you?
[01:26:43]  I'm in North Carolina.
[01:26:45]  All right, I'm trying to hold this line open for people listening to Philadelphia.
[01:26:48]  Right, well, that's where I'm getting you from.
[01:26:50]  I'm getting on 1210, a very strong signal here, about 10 over S9 here in North Carolina, yes, sir.
[01:26:56]  Good Lord, what a signal.
[01:26:57]  All right.
[01:26:58]  Very clear, Very.
[01:26:58]  All right, HARP.
[01:26:59]  HARP.
[01:27:00]  Okay, well, what I've gathered from looking on the internet and reading and also listening to the comments of your listeners, everyone seems to be of opinion that this is something relatively new.
[01:27:14]  But while HARP itself is new, these type of devices have been used.
[01:27:19]  That is correct.
[01:27:20]  There are some in Europe, Scandinavia.
[01:27:23]  However, there has never been one that will approach the magnitude of HAARP when it's really fired up.
[01:27:30]  Not even close.
[01:27:32]  Well, they're talking about 100 billion watts concentrated by an array designed to begin as a broad beam and end up when it hits the ionosphere as a very narrow spot, literally burning a hole in it.
[01:27:47]  Well, one of the things that's been done for many years in communications has been to artificially raise the MUF or the maximum frequency that the ionosphere will return to Earth.
[01:28:00]  Correct, and that's probably one of the goals of HARP, I would imagine.
[01:28:04]  This has been done with microwave energy.
[01:28:07]  It was done by the Soviet Union for a great many years.
[01:28:10]  And they have focused very high multi-millions of watts of energy at the ionosphere at different frequencies in order to.
[01:28:20]  They were called ionospheric heaters.
[01:28:22]  They're still in use.
[01:28:23]  They heat the ionosphere locally.
[01:28:26]  Right.
[01:28:26]  And this raises the MUF on that one little spot.
[01:28:29]  What MUF?
[01:28:30]  Maximum usable frequency.
[01:28:32]  In other words, the maximum frequency at which the ionosphere will reflect a signal to Earth.
[01:28:37]  That's what this man is talking about.
[01:28:40]  That's correct, Dart.
[01:28:41]  And one of the things that people in the secure communications business that I used to work in have tried to do is try to limit who can hear your signal.
[01:28:53]  And one of the things that anyone who knows about VHF communications knows that those are typically line of sight.
[01:29:03]  Correct.
[01:29:03]  They're hard to intercept when you're over the horizon.
[01:29:07]  Well, yeah, but that's what we have satellites for.
[01:29:09]  Well, yeah, we do.
[01:29:11]  But one of the things that's been done is to locally heat the ionosphere and use VHF signals on the artificially enhanced ionosphere to refract these signals over the horizon.
[01:29:23]  Yeah, you're going to be getting ahead of a lot of people in what they understand out there.
[01:29:29]  Look, I fully understand what you're saying, and it is interesting research.
[01:29:34]  However, when you talk about a billion watts or more, I'm sorry, 100 billion watts, and you talk about a secondary goal of HAARP, which is to map underground tunnels and bunkers, then you've got to imagine enough radiation in a relatively small area returning to Earth to penetrate the ground.
[01:29:54]  Now, that is a fairly serious amount of radiation, and wherever it is, that it comes back to Earth.
[01:30:00]  It must first pass through whatever is above Earth.
[01:30:04]  And that is what people are concerned about, and I don't minimize that.
[01:30:07]  I think that might be a concern.
[01:30:11]  I see.
[01:30:14]  I just feel that some of the things, I can't get into the specific parameters of some of the systems, but while this is the most powerful, there's been some systems in use that are very close to approaching, not in use by the United States, but by other countries that have been in use for horizon radar purposes.
[01:30:32]  Oh, yes, I know the woodpecker, the Russian woodpecker.
[01:30:35]  I appreciate the call, sir, but again, you're not grasping the difference.
[01:30:40]  In those cases, these were Signals that arrived at the ionosphere broadly.
[01:30:49]  And even if they tried to heat it, their efforts generally went for naught.
[01:30:55]  But now we have developed a kind of a reverse thing where it's a broad signal when transmitted from the earth.
[01:31:01]  And where it hits the ionosphere is going to be like a spot beam.
[01:31:05]  I'm not sure whether everybody is following me on this or not, but there is some reason for concern.
[01:31:10]  Look, when there's new technology, people get concerned.
[01:31:14]  When they exploded the first atomic bomb, there were a lot of scientists who thought that it might actually ignite in a chain reaction the atmosphere of the earth.
[01:31:25]  Think about that.
[01:31:26]  A lot of them thought that.
[01:31:29]  And they went ahead anyway.
[01:31:33]  Now think about that a little bit.
[01:31:34]  They went ahead anyway.
[01:31:36]  They might have ignited the atmosphere of the earth in an actual nuclear chain reaction.
[01:31:42]  But they went ahead and tried it anyway.
[01:31:46]  Now, how well are you going to sleep at night knowing that?
[01:31:48]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:31:50]  Hi.
[01:31:51]  Yes, Miss Arthell.
[01:31:52]  It is.
[01:31:53]  Turn your radio off, please.
[01:31:54]  I just did.
[01:31:55]  I'm a truck driver.
[01:31:56]  I'm here in Tampa, Florida, and I am listening to you on 1210.
[01:31:59]  No.
[01:32:00]  Yes, sir, I am.
[01:32:01]  And the best part of it was when you were talking by the Virgin Mary over in Clearwater, I was right at the next station, Amico Station, dropping a little gas.

=== WBT Ratings Surge (15:46) ===

[01:32:12]  And I heard you there on 570.
[01:32:15]  Yes.
[01:32:15]  And then I went to 1210, and I picked up another radio station, 1110.
[01:32:21]  I think that came out of Carolinas, if not mistaken.
[01:32:24]  WBT and Charlotte, yes.
[01:32:26]  Right, yes.
[01:32:27]  I just wanted to let you know.
[01:32:28]  Right.
[01:32:29]  Thank you very much.
[01:32:31]  My God, all the way down to Florida.
[01:32:33]  Listen, while I'm thinking about it, WBT and Charlotte just sent in our ratings.
[01:32:39]  And after just one, what's called one book at WBT and Charlotte, for example, all persons 35 plus WBT went from wherever they were to a 17.2 share, number one.
[01:32:55]  Number one.
[01:32:57]  And so I thought I would report that to you.
[01:33:01]  Actually, I'm trying to keep you in touch with how things are going.
[01:33:05]  The ratings, let me see.
[01:33:06]  Let me look at some of these.
[01:33:07]  They're coming in, and I told you I would keep you informed.
[01:33:11]  KHVH in Honolulu is now the number one AM radio station in my time slot.
[01:33:19]  Let me keep going.
[01:33:19]  Bakersfield, California, KERN.
[01:33:24]  All persons 12 plus, a 16 share.
[01:33:30]  Number one, way out, number one.
[01:33:34]  Or, let's see, Sacramento, California just came in, KSTE, adults 25 to 54, a 10.6 share, number 1.
[01:33:45]  Phoenix, KFYI, and we're talking about my show in every case.
[01:33:50]  I just don't want to take a lot of time with this.
[01:33:52]  Phoenix, KFYI, all persons 12 plus, a 13.6 share.
[01:34:00]  We are number one.
[01:34:02]  Richmond, Virginia.
[01:34:05]  Let's see.
[01:34:06]  Now, all the way up in just one book to number two with a 14.2 share at WRVA in Richmond.
[01:34:14]  I could keep going.
[01:34:15]  Let's see.
[01:34:17]  Milwaukee, WTMJ.
[01:34:21]  All persons 25 to 54, a 16.7 share.
[01:34:26]  Good Lord.
[01:34:27]  Rank, of course, number one.
[01:34:29]  And on and on and on it goes.
[01:34:32]  WTVN in see where is this?
[01:34:36]  Columbus, I think.
[01:34:38]  Is that right?
[01:34:39]  Columbus?
[01:34:40]  We took them from number one To, in some cases, you know, this is an amazing statistic.
[01:34:51]  They sent this in the last book, males 25 to 34, they had no listeners.
[01:34:59]  Now they have a 32.1 share in part of a book.
[01:35:03]  32.1.
[01:35:05]  That's absolutely incredible.
[01:35:06]  Of course, Los Angeles, a 13.9 share, 12 plus.
[01:35:10]  San Francisco, number one, 25 to 54 in my time slot.
[01:35:19]  Number one, number one, number one, and so forth and so on.
[01:35:22]  KOB and Albuquerque, thank you very much.
[01:35:25]  Persons 12 plus and or 25 to 54, number one, and so forth and so on.
[01:35:31]  I'll stop there for now, but I did promise you I would kind of update you as we went, and you can see how things are going.
[01:35:37]  So I would like to thank everybody out there.
[01:35:40]  Thank you.
[01:35:40]  East of the Rockies, you're on air.
[01:35:42]  Hi.
[01:35:43]  Hi, Mr. Bell.
[01:35:44]  That would be me.
[01:35:45]  Hi, I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina.
[01:35:48]  WPT country, yes, sir.
[01:35:50]  Yeah, and I'm listening to you on 1110, but I turned to 1210 just for the heck of it.
[01:35:55]  And guess what?
[01:35:56]  And I'm from, I grew up in New Jersey.
[01:35:59]  So I listened to 1210 news for the first 26 years of my life.
[01:36:05]  And it's kind of neat that I turned on 1210, and I didn't even realize I could get it here.
[01:36:10]  Well, as I said, it's an amazing signal.
[01:36:13]  I grew up.
[01:36:14]  Part of my early life was in a place called Media, Pennsylvania, outside Philadelphia.
[01:36:18]  So I used to listen to WCAU, and that's one of the reasons I've got a case of the Heebee GBs tonight, because I guess, you know, that was one of those heroic radio stations of your childhood, and now here I am on it.
[01:36:31]  Hey, you know, if I'm not mistaken, isn't that transmitter in New Jersey, in South Jersey, Moorestown, the 1210?
[01:36:37]  You know, I seem to recall something about that.
[01:36:40]  I don't really think it's in Philadelphia.
[01:36:42]  It's called 1210 Philadelphia, but I believe it's about 10 minutes across the Ben Franklin Bridge would be the closest one.
[01:36:49]  You know, it seems like I remember that too.
[01:36:52]  Down in the farms in Moorestown, New Jersey.
[01:36:54]  Uh-huh.
[01:36:54]  Anyway, a couple nights ago, I heard you talking about the face on Mars.
[01:36:59]  Oh, yes.
[01:37:00]  And I just caught a very small part of that program.
[01:37:03]  And if you could, you had a couple guys from NASA on there.
[01:37:06]  Yes, I did.
[01:37:08]  Could you just go over that a little bit?
[01:37:10]  Just real curious.
[01:37:12]  Like I said, heard a very limited portion of the video.
[01:37:14]  Yeah, see, the latest actual moving video that they've taken of the face on Mars.
[01:37:19]  I've seen the picture.
[01:37:20]  You've seen the picture, right?
[01:37:20]  And you know where the mouth is?
[01:37:23]  No.
[01:37:24]  Well, yeah.
[01:37:26]  Oh, I mean, the mouth, or what would be the mouth on the face on Mars?
[01:37:31]  They now have moving video of it chewing something.
[01:37:38]  I'm just kidding.
[01:37:39]  Yeah, we have a couple of fellows from NASA on.
[01:37:44]  And I'm hoping that these gentlemen from NASA will agree to come back.
[01:37:50]  And I don't want to use the word face-off because that is not what I want it to be.
[01:37:55]  I want it to be a good scientific discussion with the likes of Tom Van Flandren and perhaps Richard Hoagland.
[01:38:01]  And who knows, maybe we could heal some wounds and get some real information without having a dogfight.
[01:38:07]  And I think we could do that.
[01:38:09]  So I'm hoping to hear from NASA.
[01:38:11]  First time callers call area 702-727-1222.
[01:38:17]  Listen, my friend, I'm going to have to erase that because the one rule we've got here is that you're not allowed to use your last name on the air.
[01:38:23]  Oh, God.
[01:38:24]  So give us just your first name.
[01:38:26]  Okay, you ready?
[01:38:27]  Yes.
[01:38:28]  Yes, sir.
[01:38:29]  This is Barry from Palmetto, Georgia.
[01:38:31]  All right, Barry.
[01:38:32]  Yes, sir.
[01:38:33]  About 30 minutes south of Atlanta.
[01:38:35]  And I usually listen to you on 640 WGST, flipped over to 1210.
[01:38:40]  And there we were.
[01:38:41]  And there you are.
[01:38:42]  That's right.
[01:38:43]  There you are.
[01:38:44]  Where is it that Philadelphia does not cover?
[01:38:47]  I don't know.
[01:38:49]  Maybe it would be easier taking calls from people who can't hear it.
[01:38:52]  Right.
[01:38:53]  Right.
[01:38:54]  And about the cats, I've seen a few cats eat rats before.
[01:38:58]  Eat mice, rather.
[01:38:59]  Well, then, why not have the silly question of the night?
[01:39:02]  Why not have mouse-flavored cat food?
[01:39:04]  Do you know what somebody wrote that really makes sense?
[01:39:07]  Because not of cats, they'd like it, but because of the owners, because nobody, everybody would go yuck.
[01:39:15]  Right.
[01:39:16]  But not me.
[01:39:17]  If I saw mouse-flavored cat food on a store shelf, I'd buy it just to see what my cats would eat.
[01:39:24]  Absolutely.
[01:39:24]  Totally.
[01:39:25]  Oh, you agree with that?
[01:39:26]  Oh, yeah, definitely.
[01:39:27]  I'd buy it.
[01:39:28]  I'd buy it to see if the cat would eat it.
[01:39:30]  That's right.
[01:39:31]  But other people have called and said, well, it wouldn't work unless it ran around.
[01:39:36]  Right.
[01:39:36]  Well, you know, I've seen, I've heard them crunch the skulls.
[01:39:41]  So they definitely do eat them and swallow the tails.
[01:39:44]  I've watched them do it.
[01:39:45]  Even the tails?
[01:39:46]  That's right.
[01:39:47]  And they like the sound when the little skulls crunch.
[01:39:52]  Yeah.
[01:39:54]  I appreciate the call.
[01:39:55]  Yes, sir.
[01:39:56]  Thanks.
[01:39:56]  All the way from Georgia, huh?
[01:39:58]  That's right.
[01:39:59]  All right.
[01:40:00]  All right.
[01:40:00]  Well, it's going to be easier to find out what photo Philadelphia does not cover 1210.
[01:40:05]  We're still holding the line open for Philadelphia.
[01:40:08]  WPHTAM 1210.
[01:40:11]  Love to hear from you.
[01:40:12]  You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
[01:40:15]  Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 5th, 1997.
[01:40:46]  Networks presents...
[01:40:48]  Art Bell somewhere in time.
[01:40:50]  Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 5th of May, 1997.
[01:40:55]  That's what it is.
[01:40:55]  Live talk radio in the nighttime going who knows where.
[01:41:00]  Art, you say that a poll revealed that 58% of men claim that they've slept with women they actively dislike.
[01:41:07]  Well, CNN said that, sir.
[01:41:09]  I didn't.
[01:41:10]  He goes on, could these women actually be their wives?
[01:41:13]  That's from Babs in St. Louis.
[01:41:15]  You might be on something there.
[01:41:18]  When it rains, why don't sheep shrink?
[01:41:43]  Anybody have any idea?
[01:41:45]  When it rains, when sheep get wet, why don't they shrink?
[01:41:50]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:41:52]  Hi.
[01:41:53]  Hi, Art.
[01:41:53]  Yes, sir.
[01:41:54]  Where are you?
[01:41:55]  Gloucester City, New Jersey, right across the river from Philly.
[01:41:58]  All right.
[01:41:59]  And hearing 1210 like a bomb, I imagine.
[01:42:01]  Like a bomb.
[01:42:03]  Actually, this is the first time I ever heard you guys, and I've been enjoying the show.
[01:42:08]  It's a little weird and a little different.
[01:42:10]  It's going to take people time to adjust to it.
[01:42:12]  We talk about things that are weird.
[01:42:18]  A little off the beaten.
[01:42:19]  Yeah.
[01:42:20]  Beaten pet.
[01:42:20]  Yeah.
[01:42:21]  Yeah, I just want to let you guys know that I thought it was kind of interesting to hear all the different topics.
[01:42:26]  And I was wondering how you felt about Gary Adams winning a seat in Parliament.
[01:42:35]  How do I feel about Gary Adams winning a seat in Parliament?
[01:42:39]  I think that I think the British are not going to accept this very well.
[01:42:47]  I think that eventually it's going to eventually there'll be peace.
[01:42:54]  I hope there'll be peace.
[01:42:56]  I don't know what else to say other than that.
[01:42:58]  What do you think?
[01:43:00]  I don't know.
[01:43:01]  I think it seems like sort of a good idea, but you never know how they're going to react or whether I just want to see everything, everybody stop shooting each other and blowing up and stuff.
[01:43:11]  I would like that.
[01:43:12]  And you know what I'm scared to death of?
[01:43:14]  I'm scared to death of this whole militia thing in this country.
[01:43:19]  I'm scared that it's going to lead finally to America becoming kind of like Belfast, where you're afraid to walk down the street for fear you might get shot or blown up or whatever, just because there's sort of a cycle of violence that begins, and it's been going on since Waco.
[01:43:37]  And one of these days, a spark is going to happen, and there's going to begin a cycle we can't stop.
[01:43:43]  And that's kind of what happened in Belfast.
[01:43:45]  Yeah, well, I hope everything comes in over there, and I hope it calms down over here, too.
[01:43:50]  Yep.
[01:43:50]  But I really like the show.
[01:43:52]  Thank you.
[01:43:54]  Thank you.
[01:43:55]  It'll take you a little while to get used to it.
[01:43:59]  Now, we'll talk about anything.
[01:44:01]  For one thing, what is this show all about?
[01:44:03]  I try to tell people.
[01:44:04]  It's open lines.
[01:44:06]  I don't screen calls.
[01:44:08]  There's no producer here.
[01:44:10]  I do the show from my home.
[01:44:12]  I'm out in the desert, about 65 miles to the west of Las Vegas, not far from an area called Area 51, or Dreamland.
[01:44:23]  And the show just got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
[01:44:26]  It's one of those things that just happen.
[01:44:29]  And we don't concentrate a lot on politics, but it's not verboten.
[01:44:33]  You can talk about politics if you want.
[01:44:36]  It's just that everybody else does that incessantly.
[01:44:40]  And so here we talk about other stuff.
[01:44:45]  And you'll just have to sort of keep listening and see.
[01:44:48]  Now, when a lot of people hear the show for the first time, they go, huh?
[01:44:54]  It takes a while.
[01:44:55]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:44:56]  Good morning.
[01:44:57]  Oh, good morning.
[01:44:58]  This is Cutie in Northern California.
[01:45:00]  How you doing?
[01:45:00]  I'm doing great.
[01:45:02]  Although I'm really kind of a little angry.
[01:45:04]  Okay.
[01:45:05]  And I want to say that on behalf of maligned women everywhere, that I really would like to personally thank all those men who answered that poll that gave us the 58% factoid.
[01:45:15]  Yeah.
[01:45:17]  I take it you believe that.
[01:45:18]  Well, no, I want, number one, I believe it.
[01:45:21]  And number two, I want to thank them for actually proving once and for all just exactly which gender deserves the title of.
[01:45:29]  That's pretty brutal.
[01:45:30]  I know.
[01:45:31]  Well, so is the factoid, and you know, that's really ugly, too.
[01:45:34]  And I told you I was a little angry.
[01:45:36]  Yeah.
[01:45:39]  Yeah.
[01:45:40]  You know, it's like I can't deny it.
[01:45:43]  I mean, my own wife made a very crude comment about a tree trunk, and I've been ruminating about it pretty much all day long since I heard about it.
[01:45:53]  What was the comment?
[01:45:54]  You don't want to know.
[01:45:55]  Yeah.
[01:45:55]  No, you don't.
[01:45:56]  No, you don't.
[01:45:57]  Use your imagination.
[01:46:00]  Okay, well, I don't know.
[01:46:01]  All right.
[01:46:02]  Thank you very much for the call.
[01:46:04]  You know, it is a pretty sad statistic, isn't it?
[01:46:13]  However, I really don't want to get in trouble.
[01:46:16]  I've been in so much trouble lately.
[01:46:18]  But the fact of the matter is that women should understand that if you have a really, really cute, beautiful woman who has a really ugly personality,
[01:46:33]  it is possible for a short span of time to Block out the bad personality aspect of her in favor of her other apparent, immediately apparent virtues.
[01:46:52]  And I just don't know how to say what I want to say without getting into really big trouble, so I'll leave it there.
[01:46:57]  Wild card line, you're on the air.
[01:46:59]  Good morning.
[01:46:59]  KQMS, Southern California.
[01:47:01]  Well, hello there.
[01:47:02]  Hi.
[01:47:02]  Hi.
[01:47:03]  Oh, guess what I'm wearing?
[01:47:06]  What do you mean it?
[01:47:09]  I'm not walking into this one.
[01:47:11]  I'm wearing my Art Bell Chat Club t-shirt.
[01:47:14]  Art Bell Chat Club t-shirt?
[01:47:15]  Denver.
[01:47:16]  Where did you...
[01:47:17]  You got one all the way from Denver?
[01:47:19]  Yes.
[01:47:19]  Yep.
[01:47:20]  Did they send you one as an honorarium?
[01:47:22]  Wouldn't that have been nice?
[01:47:23]  No, my sister-in-law owed me money, so I made her go to Denver and get me one.
[01:47:29]  I bet I had it on all weekend, too.
[01:47:31]  Did you really?
[01:47:32]  Well, it's well worn then.
[01:47:34]  Well, I guess.
[01:47:36]  You know, I was thinking about technology.

=== Chained to Technology (10:40) ===

[01:47:40]  Yes.
[01:47:41]  And your question and your comments about it.
[01:47:44]  Yes.
[01:47:44]  What I've always wondered, and yes, I do get overwhelmed by technology, you know.
[01:47:49]  Like, I just want to pick up my phone and use it.
[01:47:52]  I don't want to have to think about who has the lowest rate.
[01:47:55]  I don't want to buy my, you know what I mean?
[01:47:57]  Oh, you mean the argument of the phone companies?
[01:47:59]  Yeah, that's their technology.
[01:48:01]  And then just a lot of other things.
[01:48:03]  But my question about it, and I always think about this when I'm making bread, because making bread is such a primitive thing sometimes.
[01:48:09]  But, you know, what has our technology done for us, like all the time and freedom?
[01:48:14]  How do we use that time and freedom?
[01:48:15]  Do we use it like loving each other more?
[01:48:18]  Well, in a lot of ways.
[01:48:19]  No, we don't.
[01:48:20]  In a lot of ways, it has put chains around our feet.
[01:48:23]  It's true.
[01:48:25]  I don't know.
[01:48:25]  I don't know.
[01:48:26]  For example, I'm chained to the phone.
[01:48:29]  I mean, there's no question about it.
[01:48:30]  I'm chained to the phone.
[01:48:32]  And that means during the daytime when I'm not on the air, I'm chained to the phone.
[01:48:36]  If I didn't have a portable phone, I'd really be chained.
[01:48:39]  And you'd be sad, too.
[01:48:41]  I'm chained to a computer.
[01:48:44]  It's required.
[01:48:45]  I'm out here in the middle of nowhere without a computer.
[01:48:47]  I wouldn't know what was going on.
[01:48:49]  I'm chained to satellite technology.
[01:48:51]  Listen, what do you think?
[01:48:52]  Oh, my God, I'm a slave.
[01:48:54]  What do you do with the extra time?
[01:48:56]  Do you spend it making love to your wife?
[01:48:58]  What extra time?
[01:48:59]  See, what extra time?
[01:49:01]  Do we spend it doing beautiful things?
[01:49:04]  What do we do with it?
[01:49:05]  No, we're technological wrecks.
[01:49:08]  I know, we are.
[01:49:09]  And, you know, I wish that it goes along with my comment about the environment and how when we're starting new industries, I wish that we would think about the environment at the very beginning, like space.
[01:49:19]  It goes along with that.
[01:49:20]  We should really ask ourselves, what is the benefit of this technology?
[01:49:24]  Because, you know, like the internet, there's all kinds of information out there.
[01:49:27]  And you know what?
[01:49:28]  I want to tell you something.
[01:49:29]  99% of it is useless to you.
[01:49:32]  I know.
[01:49:32]  Useless junk.
[01:49:33]  Thank you.
[01:49:33]  She's absolutely right about that.
[01:49:37]  You've got to learn how to, I think the answer is that you've got to learn how to manage the technology capability that you have.
[01:49:46]  If you go to the internet, you incessantly visit chat rooms and read the unending garbage that is up there, it is, after a while, in control of you.
[01:49:59]  If, on the other hand, you are selective about its use and use it as an information resource, as one would use a library, then you are its master as opposed to the other way around.
[01:50:09]  But there is a pretty good argument or discussion, I think, to be had about the value of technology and whether it really is helping our lives right now or it's more of a negative.
[01:50:25]  And I'm really not sure what the answer is because a lot of people are so far buried into it.
[01:50:31]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:50:32]  Hi.
[01:50:33]  Hi, Art.
[01:50:34]  Hello.
[01:50:35]  East of the Rockies, this is Jeff from Dover, Delaware.
[01:50:38]  Dover, Delaware.
[01:50:39]  Of course, I've been listening to your earlier 890 and 1100 and all that.
[01:50:45]  The signal, I just wanted to say thank you, WCAU, WPHT, whoever you are now.
[01:50:51]  Thank you for broadcasting the show.
[01:50:54]  So apparently they come into Dover, Delaware fairly well.
[01:50:59]  Especially well lately at night.
[01:51:02]  Philly stations usually don't come down here because of the, you know, I'm sure you know about the E-SCIP, the E-Layer, and all that.
[01:51:08]  Oh, yes.
[01:51:09]  And it just doesn't really, you know, it fades more than it's steady.
[01:51:15]  But for some reason, 1210 to 90 is coming in like really, really big time.
[01:51:21]  No fading at all, no, not much noise.
[01:51:25]  Well, it is an amazing thing to me that so many people who have called tonight, listening now, to 1210, have previously been listening to us at a great distance somewhere else, and boom, boom, all of a sudden there we are.
[01:51:38]  And it's like the signal, especially from 890 Chicago.
[01:51:43]  That's the one I usually tune into normally, anyway.
[01:51:46]  WLS.
[01:51:47]  Right.
[01:51:48]  And it's just, I don't know, 1210 is making them look.
[01:51:51]  Well, sure.
[01:51:51]  I mean, 1210 from Philadelphia to where you are to be like one hop, one E-layer hop.
[01:51:57]  That's right.
[01:51:57]  Okay, at least you know.
[01:52:00]  I digress.
[01:52:02]  Let me get to the cat food thing.
[01:52:04]  Oh, yes, the important.
[01:52:08]  May I suggest another flavor?
[01:52:10]  How about cat flavor?
[01:52:12]  Have you ever noticed an ASCII colour?
[01:52:14]  That's disgusting, sir.
[01:52:15]  That's disgusting.
[01:52:16]  That implies that cats would be cannibalistic.
[01:52:21]  But now they're always cleaning themselves, and they spend 23 hours a day.
[01:52:28]  That's really disgusting.
[01:52:29]  Cleaning oneself does not translate to eating oneself.
[01:52:33]  Ah, very good, sir.
[01:52:35]  I appreciate your call.
[01:52:38]  Oh, man.
[01:52:39]  Come on, folks.
[01:52:42]  Cat-flavored cat food?
[01:52:44]  Please.
[01:52:45]  That is truly disgusting.
[01:52:47]  However, mouse-flavored cat food.
[01:52:49]  Now, that really does have possibilities.
[01:52:51]  And the one reason that they're not doing it is because the owners, I'm convinced, would not like it.
[01:52:59]  Or somebody is convinced.
[01:53:00]  Let me change.
[01:53:01]  That's absolutely wrong.
[01:53:02]  I think it would be cool.
[01:53:04]  And if I saw it on a store shelf, I would buy it.
[01:53:07]  East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
[01:53:09]  Good morning.
[01:53:11]  Hello there.
[01:53:12]  Going once, going twice, gone.
[01:53:14]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:53:16]  Good morning.
[01:53:17]  Good morning, Art.
[01:53:18]  This is Michael from Kelso.
[01:53:20]  Hi, Michael.
[01:53:20]  And I talked to you three years ago on a ham radio.
[01:53:23]  I just bought a ham radio, brand new one.
[01:53:26]  Three.
[01:53:26]  Three years ago.
[01:53:27]  And I talked to you then, and I asked you what you did for a living after the conversation went on.
[01:53:33]  You said you got to sit in a room and talked on the radio and got paid for it.
[01:53:37]  And I thought that was just great.
[01:53:38]  It's true.
[01:53:39]  Yeah, I know.
[01:53:40]  And so I wrote down my logbook, and I listened to you.
[01:53:44]  It must have been a couple days after I talked to you.
[01:53:47]  And I really enjoy your program.
[01:53:48]  Well, it's excellent.
[01:53:50]  Well, I wish I could do the same thing.
[01:53:52]  But it's great.
[01:53:53]  And what I wanted to tell you about is that I think you could sell sand in the Sierra and get away with it.
[01:54:01]  But I really enjoy your show.
[01:54:03]  Well, remember, I live in the desert.
[01:54:06]  Maybe I ought to try that.
[01:54:07]  Now, there's an idea.
[01:54:08]  A box of sand.
[01:54:10]  Well, I used to live in Nevada until I moved up here.
[01:54:12]  Would you buy a box of sand if I was selling it?
[01:54:15]  If it was warm.
[01:54:16]  Absolutely fresh desert sand?
[01:54:18]  If it was warm.
[01:54:19]  All right, thank you.
[01:54:21]  We live out here in the hard desert.
[01:54:23]  I mean, cactus country.
[01:54:24]  You know, serious cactus country.
[01:54:26]  And I could go out there and I could scoop up sand.
[01:54:29]  Maybe I could sell that.
[01:54:33]  Sand from near area 51 in a special little package from Art Bell, personally.
[01:54:40]  What would that be worth?
[01:54:42]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:54:44]  Hi.
[01:54:45]  Hey, Art.
[01:54:45]  How's it going?
[01:54:46]  It's going.
[01:54:47]  Where are you?
[01:54:48]  In Fort Wayne.
[01:54:49]  Fort Wayne?
[01:54:50]  Yeah.
[01:54:51]  You have your radio on.
[01:54:52]  Hang on.
[01:54:53]  For one thing, and for another thing, you're not probably not listening to Philadelphia, which is what I'm holding this line open for.
[01:55:01]  Oh, no, I wasn't listening, so.
[01:55:03]  Hey, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:55:05]  Hey, earlier, you were reading the ratings book thing.
[01:55:08]  Various ratings, yes.
[01:55:10]  And you were number two some certain city?
[01:55:12]  And I was going to guess what was number one.
[01:55:15]  What certain city was it?
[01:55:17]  I don't know.
[01:55:18]  I didn't remember.
[01:55:19]  Well, then, how could you even possibly guess what would be number one?
[01:55:22]  Well, because Limbaugh is on like our cross-country, and I was going to guess Limbaugh reruns.
[01:55:28]  Oh, I see.
[01:55:29]  Oh, I wouldn't have any idea what we're opposite of.
[01:55:31]  No, as a matter of fact, it was not.
[01:55:33]  It was an FMer, which means it was music.
[01:55:36]  Oh, all right.
[01:55:37]  All right.
[01:55:37]  Hey, cool, man.
[01:55:38]  See ya.
[01:55:39]  See ya.
[01:55:41]  Rush Limbaugh is a great guy, but we have been replacing him and beating him in almost every market across the entire country.
[01:55:51]  But, you know, he's in reruns at this time of night.
[01:55:54]  And why would you want to listen to what happened yesterday when you can listen to what's going on today?
[01:55:59]  And at any rate, we're not even in competition with Rush.
[01:56:02]  He does an entirely different thing than we do.
[01:56:07]  So it's really, it's not a competitive thing.
[01:56:13]  Not with Rush.
[01:56:13]  There are a few other late-night talk shows, but I think actually we are the largest live overnight show in America.
[01:56:24]  Isn't that amazing?
[01:56:27]  See, these are the things that I'd rather not think about, except when people get me thinking about them, because it actually starts to make me nervous, and I don't want to be nervous.
[01:56:36]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[01:56:38]  Hello.
[01:56:38]  Hi.
[01:56:39]  Hi.
[01:56:40]  My goodness, I don't believe this.
[01:56:43]  This is She Eagle Light in Monterey, California.
[01:56:47]  Welcome.
[01:56:48]  Welcome.
[01:56:49]  Yes, I stay up late at night for you.
[01:56:53]  And I can tell you one man that made love to a woman that he didn't like.
[01:56:59]  That he didn't like?
[01:57:00]  That was my ex-husband.
[01:57:02]  Your ex-husband.
[01:57:03]  Yes.
[01:57:04]  Well.
[01:57:04]  That's 25 years ago, thank you.
[01:57:06]  This little CNN factoid did not specify whether these were married men, husbands, or single men or anything else.
[01:57:13]  It simply said, at one time or another in their life, 58% of all men admit that they made love to a woman they actively disliked.
[01:57:22]  Well, anyway, the other thing I have to tell you, after I listen to you tell 4 in the morning, go to sleep for a while, then I go out in the world, I feel like a stranger in a strange land.
[01:57:35]  Nobody knows what the hell I am talking.
[01:57:40]  But I've gotten several people listen to you.
[01:57:42]  Is that right?
[01:57:43]  And the other one is, do you know about Marilyn Ferguson?
[01:57:48]  She wrote a book 30 years ago called The Aquarian Conspiracy.
[01:57:52]  The Aquarian Conspiracy, huh?
[01:57:54]  She's probably still around.
[01:57:56]  She's a scientist type lady.
[01:57:58]  But I want to read you something that was in here.
[01:58:00]  It says, direct experience of a larger reality demands that we change our lives.

=== The Quickening Phenomenon (03:52) ===

[01:58:09]  This transformation, with its acceleration of connections and insights, can be a frightening period.
[01:58:18]  Well, that's exactly what I wrote about in a book called The Quickening.
[01:58:22]  Now, you can't get my book.
[01:58:23]  The first printing just sold out, man.
[01:58:25]  It was gone in two weeks.
[01:58:26]  And I'm sorry about that.
[01:58:28]  I will let you know when you can get it.
[01:58:29]  Today is, what, the sixth?
[01:58:31]  Probably in about a week.
[01:58:33]  I'm waiting to hear from my publisher, something like that.
[01:58:36]  But it is simply unavailable right now.
[01:58:38]  Sold out, way sold out.
[01:58:40]  Now, the first book I've got is about to go into the fourth printing, and they've got a few left.
[01:58:45]  If you would like a copy of the first book I wrote, which is about talk radio and about me, it's sort of autobiographical and with a cutesy title called The Heart of Talk.
[01:58:59]  They have a few of those left.
[01:59:02]  A few of those left.
[01:59:04]  This is Premier Networks.
[01:59:06]  That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
[01:59:41]  Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
[01:59:47]  Once again, Art Bell, and we are celebrating the acquisition of a WPHT AM.
[01:59:54]  Actually, acquisition means we've acquired them.
[01:59:56]  We haven't acquired them.
[01:59:58]  They own themselves.
[02:00:00]  They have sort of just begun to carry the show.
[02:00:04]  So it's better said that way, I think.
[02:00:06]  You know what, though?
[02:00:08]  It just occurred to me that I've heard from just about every geographic area in the eastern third of the United States listening to WPHT, except somebody from Philadelphia.
[02:00:20]  So, for the next 25 minutes, and then I'll free up all the lines, I promise.
[02:00:24]  For the next 25 minutes, I want to hear from Philadelphia.
[02:00:30]  Not just people listening, because it's now obvious that probably, I actually, I'm going to say in the eastern half of the U.S., everybody hears it.
[02:00:40]  So, I want to now hear from somebody actually in Philadelphia.
[02:00:44]  So let me restrict the line to that.
[02:01:06]  Back to the phones we go.
[02:01:08]  And east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:01:10]  Good morning.
[02:01:11]  Hello, this is Jay from Austin, Texas.
[02:01:14]  Hi, Jay.
[02:01:16]  I'm surprised I was listening to you on the other thing from the delay there.
[02:01:20]  Right, turn it off.
[02:01:21]  It's off now.
[02:01:21]  There you go.
[02:01:23]  Basically, I was calling, I saw that whatever it was.
[02:01:30]  And basically, when I first saw it, I kind of dismissed it as like a shooting star or that kind of thing.
[02:01:35]  And I was wondering if there was anybody or if you knew anything about the meteor shower that a UFO guy from Seattle was talking about.

=== Meteor Shower Mystery (03:40) ===

[02:01:45]  I believe that we are in a meteor shower, but what was described earlier tonight that went between Austin and Dallas did not sound like a meteor shower.
[02:01:56]  Yeah, this thing that I saw was kind of like it was like four little lights in a row, and they were all equally spaced, and they weren't going very fast like a meteor would go.
[02:02:04]  Meteors go fast, right?
[02:02:06]  Right.
[02:02:07]  Whether they cut across or whatever they do, they go fast.
[02:02:10]  Yeah, really quick, all the way across the sky.
[02:02:12]  Yeah, this one's moving very fast, and it went away pretty quick.
[02:02:14]  But I was just kind of curious about that.
[02:02:15]  Well, you saw apparently what a lot of people saw, my friend.
[02:02:19]  Very interesting.
[02:02:20]  Well, another thought I had was your little mouse cat food thing is that you're People who wouldn't wouldn't particularly want to get it for their cats because their cats would be bringing it up and leaving it on their doorstep and everything instead of eating it.
[02:02:37]  You've got a good point there.
[02:02:40]  Thank you.
[02:02:40]  All right, good afternoon.
[02:02:41]  Take care.
[02:02:42]  I suppose that's true.
[02:02:43]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:02:45]  Oh, Art, here in California.
[02:02:47]  I'm San Francisco Alcohol.
[02:02:48]  And yes, sir.
[02:02:49]  Yeah.
[02:02:49]  Here in California, like near Livermore and some other parts of California, there's been well water and stuff closed down because of the MTBE.
[02:02:59]  Have you heard of this?
[02:03:00]  Not that specifically.
[02:03:02]  It's also carcinogen.
[02:03:03]  Yeah.
[02:03:04]  And it possibly could be getting into the food chain here, the produce, maybe.
[02:03:08]  California.
[02:03:10]  Well, I don't know what to tell you, except that it's happening all the time.
[02:03:16]  It's a chemical additive.
[02:03:17]  Yeah.
[02:03:18]  This MTBE.
[02:03:20]  And there's been protest against it, you know.
[02:03:24]  And when allergy season is up, allergies are going on.
[02:03:29]  When people leave the state where MTBE isn't used, their allergies seem to clear up.
[02:03:35]  And when they come back into California, it starts back up again.
[02:03:39]  It's also believed able to cause ulcers.
[02:03:43]  You know, this MTBE.
[02:03:46]  In the state of Alaska, up in Alaska, MTBE was outlawed, the use of it.
[02:03:53]  And there's some state on the East Coast where it was outlawed.
[02:03:57]  But not in California, huh?
[02:03:59]  No.
[02:03:59]  MTBE is an additive.
[02:04:01]  And did you know they are building, understand, five big plants, like gas plants, to make this MTBE because there's people in the government that want it to go national in all the states.
[02:04:15]  Great.
[02:04:16]  Just great.
[02:04:17]  All right.
[02:04:17]  Well, thank you very much.
[02:04:22]  There's a lot of that going on all over the country right now.
[02:04:25]  A lot of wells are being closed because of carcinogenic things are finding in them.
[02:04:31]  Our rivers and streams, and it's not all downside, by the way, some have been cleaned up.
[02:04:36]  It can be done.
[02:04:40]  But unfortunately, it's more uncommon than it is common.
[02:04:47]  And there are a lot of places now where you cannot go swimming because if you have a cut or any little entrance opportunity for the things that are swimming around in our water, you could get deathly ill.

=== Jupiter's Call (10:58) ===

[02:05:06]  A lot of changes have occurred in this country since I was a youngster.
[02:05:10]  You know, when I was young, and I'm 51 years old now, you could go swimming in any little swimming hole you could find anywhere.
[02:05:21]  Remember those days, folks?
[02:05:23]  Remember those?
[02:05:25]  Now you dare not do anything of that kind.
[02:05:28]  You dare not.
[02:05:29]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:05:30]  Hi, Art.
[02:05:31]  Ms. Brad in Omaha.
[02:05:32]  Yes, sir.
[02:05:33]  See, I got a suggestion for a guest.
[02:05:37]  Why don't you have Bob Green on sometime?
[02:05:39]  Who's Bob Green?
[02:05:40]  Irv Crane, I mean.
[02:05:41]  Bob Crane.
[02:05:42]  Yeah.
[02:05:43]  Oh, I've had Bob on.
[02:05:45]  Have you really?
[02:05:45]  Oh, yes.
[02:05:46]  Because I've heard Wayne Green a number of times, and that's what I was saying almost Bob Green.
[02:05:52]  Oh, I see.
[02:05:54]  Did you mean Bob Crane or Wayne Green?
[02:05:56]  Bob Crane.
[02:05:57]  Bob Crane.
[02:05:58]  Yes.
[02:05:58]  Oh, yes.
[02:05:58]  We've had Bob on, and I'm sure I'll have him on again to talk about radio.
[02:06:02]  Heck yeah.
[02:06:03]  Yeah.
[02:06:03]  So his company told you here on their sea crane company.
[02:06:08]  And I just always been interested to hear what he's about and how he got us started and this and that and everything else.
[02:06:14]  And he just.
[02:06:16]  You know how he got us started?
[02:06:17]  I can tell you.
[02:06:18]  How's that?
[02:06:19]  He was a listener to talk radio.
[02:06:22]  And you know how radio fades in and out at a big distance?
[02:06:26]  Yeah.
[02:06:27]  He was simply trying to figure out how to hear a talk show that he wanted to hear.
[02:06:32]  And there came what's called the select attenna.
[02:06:37]  And in order to just help people out, he decided to begin selling the select attenna.
[02:06:42]  He was a carpenter.
[02:06:43]  Really?
[02:06:44]  Bob was a carpenter.
[02:06:45]  And he began selling the select attenna.
[02:06:47]  And it took off like a rocket.
[02:06:49]  And the rest is history.
[02:06:52]  In other words, he just formed a company to try and sell the best radios he could find.
[02:06:57]  And boosh.
[02:06:58]  Well, that's neat.
[02:06:59]  Oh, one more thing.
[02:07:00]  Yes?
[02:07:01]  We don't get Philadelphia here in Omaha.
[02:07:04]  Finally.
[02:07:05]  Yeah.
[02:07:06]  All right.
[02:07:07]  Thank you.
[02:07:07]  Thanks.
[02:07:08]  Take care.
[02:07:09]  Of course you don't.
[02:07:10]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:07:12]  Hi.
[02:07:12]  Hello.
[02:07:13]  Hello.
[02:07:14]  Hi, this is Damon from San Diego.
[02:07:16]  Yes, sir.
[02:07:17]  I'm just going to say that I'm 20.
[02:07:19]  I'm a little bit younger than most of you listeners, probably, but I want to let you know that out here we do have a group of us that like listening.
[02:07:26]  I was just calling because the other night I heard you talking about what people thought about the quickening, as you call it, or I heard you talk about the environment tonight.
[02:07:39]  I just want to say, like, I was listening to, I think it's 89.5 here.
[02:07:43]  I don't know what it would be called anywhere else, but they were talking about the most contaminated square mile on earth somewhere in Wyoming.
[02:07:53]  It was basically an old chemical weapons plant.
[02:07:56]  And the thing that freaked me out was the name of it.
[02:07:59]  And the government had the name of it, and it was super fun.
[02:08:03]  No, no, no, no.
[02:08:04]  Super fund is what you're talking about.
[02:08:07]  A super fund is a government fund.
[02:08:13]  We are the government.
[02:08:14]  Taxpayer money that is used specifically targeted to clean up toxic waste sites and that sort of thing.
[02:08:22]  And that is what you are referring to.
[02:08:24]  Now, it may be the most toxic of the Superfund sites.
[02:08:27]  And I think that's what you meant to say.
[02:08:29]  Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
[02:08:30]  Hi.
[02:08:31]  Art?
[02:08:31]  Yes.
[02:08:32]  Why, hi, I'm in Lincoln, Nebraska.
[02:08:35]  Yes, ma'am.
[02:08:36]  And I am listening to you from Philadelphia.
[02:08:39]  Well, I don't think so.
[02:08:41]  They went off the air about 15 minutes ago with us.
[02:08:45]  Well, it's amazing.
[02:08:49]  Somewhere I picked you up because where I usually get you in Omaha?
[02:08:52]  Yes.
[02:08:53]  That went off the air 15 minutes ago.
[02:08:55]  So you're getting us from someplace.
[02:08:57]  Someplace, I sure am, and it's as clear as the bell, and I don't know where it is.
[02:09:00]  It's on 1210.
[02:09:02]  1210.
[02:09:04]  Okay, I can actually hear it in the background, but I have no idea what you're listening to.
[02:09:09]  Anyway, congratulations.
[02:09:11]  Did you watch that movie, Invasion?
[02:09:14]  You know what?
[02:09:14]  I've got it on videotape, and I'll tell you why.
[02:09:17]  I refuse.
[02:09:18]  Would you turn your radio off, please?
[02:09:20]  Yes, I will.
[02:09:21]  I absolutely refuse to watch something in two parts.
[02:09:24]  It drives me crazy because inevitably, would you turn that off for me?
[02:09:31]  Hang on.
[02:09:31]  It's in the other room.
[02:09:32]  Okay, I'll hang on and I'll explain while you're gone.
[02:09:36]  They leave you hanging.
[02:09:38]  You know, they leave you hanging, and it's a movie I really want to see, so don't anybody call me up and tell me about it.
[02:09:44]  I taped part one and part two, and I've got them both awaiting my attention.
[02:09:51]  And that way, when they get to the part where I know they hang you up right at the worst part, I won't have to wait.
[02:09:57]  So now, do not tell me because I have not yet watched it.
[02:10:02]  I won't tell you.
[02:10:03]  Was it good?
[02:10:08]  That you can tell me.
[02:10:08]  Did you enjoy it?
[02:10:10]  The special effects were really something.
[02:10:18]  Okay.
[02:10:18]  It's just scary, you know, when you think about all the different viruses and everything that's out there.
[02:10:24]  Yes.
[02:10:26]  Yeah, it was scary.
[02:10:28]  All right.
[02:10:28]  Well, then I'm looking forward to it.
[02:10:30]  I resist that.
[02:10:31]  I don't know how many of you are like that.
[02:10:33]  But when these two-part things come along, I absolutely refuse to be hung up.
[02:10:41]  And the world of the VCR makes it possible that I shall not be hung up.
[02:10:47]  And so I take both parts and sit down and have a real fest of about four hours of watching.
[02:10:52]  So, yes, I will watch it.
[02:10:54]  First time caller line, you're on the air.
[02:10:57]  Hi.
[02:10:58]  Hi.
[02:10:59]  Where are you?
[02:11:00]  Austin.
[02:11:01]  Austin.
[02:11:02]  All right.
[02:11:04]  Turn your radio off, please.
[02:11:06]  Hello.
[02:11:07]  Hello.
[02:11:08]  Hi.
[02:11:09]  I'm calling from Austin, KJFK, and Austin 98.9.
[02:11:14]  Yes, sir.
[02:11:14]  FM.
[02:11:16]  I was just calling in reference.
[02:11:19]  You were talking to people in Philadelphia earlier.
[02:11:21]  Yes, I was.
[02:11:22]  Yes.
[02:11:23]  Well, I was stationed in Philadelphia for two years, and we were the last ship to go through Philadelphia Naval Shipyard.
[02:11:31]  Ah.
[02:11:32]  And I was just curious if there's anybody listening now or if you have any idea what's happened to it since then.
[02:11:41]  They had had plans at one point to possibly sell it to Disney for some type of theme park or something.
[02:11:47]  See, you should have called a little bit earlier because we went off the air at 6 a.m. Philadelphia time.
[02:11:53]  That was about 20 minutes ago.
[02:11:56]  So what you want to do is call back tomorrow at an earlier hour.
[02:11:59]  Okay.
[02:12:00]  I'm sorry to bother you then.
[02:12:01]  No, you didn't bother me.
[02:12:02]  I'm just letting you know that the people in Philly are not listening at the moment.
[02:12:06]  Okay.
[02:12:07]  I just caught that strange woman with the, I mean, finding it somewhere earlier just kind of got my hopes up.
[02:12:13]  I got you.
[02:12:14]  All right.
[02:12:14]  Thank you.
[02:12:14]  All right.
[02:12:15]  Thank you.
[02:12:15]  Take care.
[02:12:16]  Wildcard Line, you are on the air.
[02:12:18]  Good morning.
[02:12:19]  Hello.
[02:12:20]  Is this Art Bell?
[02:12:21]  It is.
[02:12:24]  Have you checked your email lately?
[02:12:26]  Not in the last few minutes.
[02:12:29]  Oh, well, I emailed you because I've been trying to get through and couldn't get through, and I'm a first-time caller.
[02:12:34]  Yes, sir.
[02:12:34]  You're through now.
[02:12:35]  All right.
[02:12:37]  Calling from Kentucky.
[02:12:38]  Yes, sir.
[02:12:39]  And I had a couple of little observations I wanted to bounce off of you.
[02:12:45]  I was thinking about the technology bit.
[02:12:47]  Do you remember the book Megatrends by Nisbet?
[02:12:51]  Yes, sir.
[02:12:51]  15 or 20 years ago?
[02:12:52]  Yes, I do.
[02:12:54]  He said that there was a compensatory reaction that humans have to high technology, and he called it high touch.
[02:13:01]  That we spend a lot of time on computers and whatnot, but to make up for that, we go and do the primal sort of thing like gardening and whatnot.
[02:13:13]  There are some who counter-react in that way.
[02:13:18]  You're right.
[02:13:19]  But I think that there is a race on and that it's being lost in terms of those who counterreact in that way.
[02:13:26]  And more and more people are becoming immersed in and lost in technology, from television, even to what I do here, radio, the internet, cellular capability, and on and on and on I could go.
[02:13:41]  And so I think that I think it's a race, and I think that Mother Earth is losing it right now.
[02:13:47]  Well, the one thing that I wanted to mention to you was about a sister planet, Jupiter.
[02:13:53]  You remember the Galileo probe that was sent a year or so ago to rendezvous?
[02:13:57]  I sure do.
[02:13:58]  And sent that down.
[02:14:00]  Do you know where it is now or what's happened to it recently?
[02:14:03]  It is still working.
[02:14:05]  It's orbiting one of the Galilean moons, I think.
[02:14:08]  And it's going to take an occasional look at Europa.
[02:14:11]  We talked quite a bit about that last week, as a matter of fact.
[02:14:13]  Well, what I wanted to ask and see if you can shoot this down or if it has any credence at all, but there were two plutonium electrical generators on board.
[02:14:25]  That's correct.
[02:14:26]  There are about 40 some pounds of plutonium on each.
[02:14:29]  That is correct.
[02:14:30]  And, you know, Jupiter is a huge planet that's just a little bit smaller than a brown dwarf star.
[02:14:35]  I know.
[02:14:36]  I know the theory, right?
[02:14:37]  That it will become a sun when we plunge this plutonium into the atmosphere.
[02:14:41]  Well, I'm just wondering if the high pressure could crush the plutonium to a critical mass and cause a fission explosion.
[02:14:48]  And ignite Jupiter.
[02:14:50]  Well, Arthur C. Clarke.
[02:14:54]  Right?
[02:14:56]  Is it possible?
[02:14:59]  Anything's possible.
[02:15:01]  I don't think it's very probable.
[02:15:02]  I think Jupiter would probably eat that up like a tempest in a teapot.
[02:15:07]  Like spitting in the wind.
[02:15:09]  Well, but when will those probe actually how long will it stay in orbit?
[02:15:16]  Well, you'll know when it comes down.
[02:15:18]  I mean, you know, it'll be a second sun up there.
[02:15:22]  I guess so.
[02:15:23]  All right, sir.
[02:15:24]  Thank you.
[02:15:24]  I don't know.
[02:15:26]  When it finally comes down, I do not know.
[02:15:31]  Yeah, that's what Arthur C. Clarke remembered, 2001.
[02:15:37]  Remember that?
[02:15:38]  Something wonderful.
[02:15:39]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:15:41]  Hi.
[02:15:41]  Yes, it's the Italian stallion from the mighty 1190 K. KX Portland, yes, sir.
[02:15:47]  Yeah, I wanted to give you the Italian stallion's analogy on the Quakening.

=== Coming Buffalo Thoughts (11:53) ===

[02:15:52]  Yes.
[02:15:52]  This is just one concept.
[02:15:54]  I remember 20, I'm about 36 years old, and about 27 years ago, I used to go skateboarding with all the teenagers and kids and stuff.
[02:16:03]  And we used to go downhills and everything.
[02:16:05]  And we were lucky if we'd dodge a bump or make it down the hill, all right.
[02:16:10]  But now, when I see teenage kids, they're more or less taking their skateboards and jumping seven-feet walls.
[02:16:18]  And I've literally sat back and watched kids break their legs or crack their skulls open, and now they just want to batter themselves and break their necks.
[02:16:29]  So that's just one concept that how things are accelerating.
[02:16:32]  All right, I appreciate that.
[02:16:34]  I think what you're saying is that they don't care that much, is the way you might have put it, about their own safety in their own life.
[02:16:43]  And that I understand.
[02:16:46]  The reverence for any life, their own and others, is lessened, is much lessened today.
[02:16:53]  And I believe that is true.
[02:16:57]  Of course, kids, to some degree, have always thought themselves to be relatively immortal.
[02:17:04]  I thought that too.
[02:17:06]  But there is a change.
[02:17:08]  Wildcard line, you're on the air.
[02:17:09]  Hi.
[02:17:10]  Hi, Art.
[02:17:10]  I just had a couple of things real quick.
[02:17:12]  Sure.
[02:17:13]  First thing was sort of along the technology line.
[02:17:17]  Number one, this is Tony calling from San Diego KFMB.
[02:17:20]  Yes, sir.
[02:17:21]  Wanted to ask if any of your listeners might be aware of any technology aware, I mean, combining cellular telephones and TDDs, if you're familiar with those, or what were formerly known as TTYs for the hearing-impaired users.
[02:17:35]  I know it's a far-fetched combination, but if anybody knows the combination available to put into a vehicle these days, I'd appreciate some input on that.
[02:17:44]  All right.
[02:17:44]  And the second thing is, going back, I've been trying to get through for quite some time.
[02:17:48]  When you were talking about the suicides in Ranto, Santa Fe.
[02:17:53]  Oh, yes.
[02:17:54]  Now, this is something that I deal with quite a bit.
[02:17:57]  It's one of those things that I have to put up with, and I deal with in my own certain way.
[02:18:02]  But that night, I noticed there were quite a few callers that just seemed very, very, I want to say cynical towards people that have a battle with suicidal thoughts.
[02:18:17]  And I didn't hear you, or maybe I missed it.
[02:18:21]  I didn't think I heard you stand up on behalf of those who have legitimate reasons for those thoughts.
[02:18:28]  Do you follow my reasoning here?
[02:18:30]  I do, but I disagree entirely with the concept of suicide, and I think it is.
[02:18:39]  I talked extensively about it.
[02:18:42]  Right.
[02:18:42]  Well, I don't see that.
[02:18:43]  So I'm not standing up for anybody who has those thoughts.
[02:18:47]  I'm trying to convince them that they're all wrong and they are all wrong.
[02:18:51]  It is, however, an individual choice.
[02:18:54]  True.
[02:18:54]  Now, after I have argued, and I'm not going to present my arguments at all.
[02:18:58]  No, no, no, no, I remember it.
[02:18:59]  I do remember it.
[02:19:00]  I'm going to say it is an individual choice.
[02:19:02]  And if you want to take your own life, what I said then and now is that the government has no business telling you or trying to control what you do with your own life.
[02:19:12]  None whatsoever.
[02:19:13]  Right.
[02:19:14]  If you want to make a stupid decision, then you ought to be able to make it.
[02:19:18]  But one of the key issues in the entire thing that I have discovered in dealing with this is that although there are many people who will say, go get help, go get counseling, for those that have been in that position and have tried to go get counseling, it isn't as existent as a lot of people believe.
[02:19:36]  There are.
[02:19:36]  Oh, there's a lot of hotlines.
[02:19:38]  Yeah, the hotlines.
[02:19:38]  And you call them, and if you're not ready to kill yourself right then and there, they don't want to talk to you.
[02:19:42]  You know, there are no open lines of communication to do that.
[02:19:46]  For just people who are thinking about it.
[02:19:50]  Right.
[02:19:50]  Sometimes you just need to air it out.
[02:19:52]  Listen, you want to hold on?
[02:19:53]  Sure.
[02:19:53]  All right, I've got a break that I've got to tend to here.
[02:19:56]  Okay.
[02:19:56]  And we'll be right back.
[02:19:58]  This is Premier Networks.
[02:20:00]  That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this somewhere in time.
[02:20:08]  If I were walking in your shoes, I wouldn't worry about.
[02:20:12]  While you and your friends are worried about me, I'm having lots of fun.
[02:20:17]  Thousands of hours on the wall.
[02:20:32]  You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
[02:20:35]  Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AF from May 5th, 1997.
[02:20:39]  It's all right.
[02:20:40]  I give up.
[02:20:41]  All my lines are open to wherever they're normally open to.
[02:20:44]  All right?
[02:20:45]  Thank you, Philadelphia.
[02:20:46]  I appreciate the incredible response.
[02:20:49]  Well, it figures I'd get a fax from Bob Crane, who says, I was a woodworker, not a carpenter.
[02:21:16]  One day I hope to make a wooden radio.
[02:21:20]  He's not kidding about that either.
[02:21:23]  Well, it shows you what I know.
[02:21:26]  I don't even know what the difference is.
[02:21:28]  A woodworker, a carpenter, a carpenter works with wood.
[02:21:31]  So technically, a carpenter could be a woodworker.
[02:21:35]  But I suppose you would say a woodworker could not be a carpenter.
[02:21:39]  Would that be right?
[02:21:42]  I don't know.
[02:21:44]  Anyway, he was a woodworker.
[02:21:48]  But carpenters work with wood.
[02:21:51]  Well, this comes under the category of mouse-flavored cat food.
[02:21:57]  Wildcard line, you're back on the air again, and you were talking about suicide.
[02:22:03]  Right.
[02:22:04]  Having thoughts of suicide, and the lines don't talk to people who just have thoughts.
[02:22:09]  They want to know about people who are about to do it.
[02:22:12]  Right.
[02:22:12]  That seems to be the abundance of the helplines that I had found through my experience, especially one of the most recent circumstances being that episode up in Rancho, Santa Fe.
[02:22:26]  Well, they didn't want to call a helpline.
[02:22:28]  They didn't want to outreach to anybody.
[02:22:30]  They wanted to do exactly what they did.
[02:22:32]  Leave the vessels.
[02:22:33]  Yeah.
[02:22:34]  That's it.
[02:22:35]  But the thing, in fact, it came up on your show during one of the nights thereafter was the fact that sometimes episodes of that nature might make other people feel like doing that themselves.
[02:22:52]  Personally, what I felt was a sense of failure, having tried it before and failed.
[02:22:56]  And then these people came along.
[02:22:58]  Now, I'm not advocating this as you are.
[02:23:01]  I would never advocate that for anyone else.
[02:23:03]  It's a personal turmoil that I have to deal with.
[02:23:06]  But there was a great sense of failure in not being able to, I guess, to achieve it when I first tried it.
[02:23:15]  The answer usually is that if that's the case, you didn't really want to do it.
[02:23:20]  Oh, I did.
[02:23:21]  I did.
[02:23:22]  The only thing that stopped me was the fact that someone found me.
[02:23:27]  Had they not found me, I would have succeeded.
[02:23:29]  And then they wanted to lock me up in a hospital and, oh, 72 hours of observation.
[02:23:35]  And you tell them a simple lie and you walk out of the hospital like a happy John Doe, which I was able to do.
[02:23:40]  And I've come close a couple of times since, but luckily I have not.
[02:23:44]  And I say luckily because I know I don't want to.
[02:23:47]  Why not?
[02:23:47]  I don't want to.
[02:23:48]  You don't want to.
[02:23:49]  All right.
[02:23:49]  Well, see, the answer is then you won't.
[02:23:52]  You won't.
[02:23:53]  And if you really wanted to, you wouldn't be talking about it.
[02:23:56]  You would have done it.
[02:23:57]  Right.
[02:23:58]  So you really are opting for life, and that's most people.
[02:24:02]  Opt for life.
[02:24:03]  You know, I mean, you get a short enough shot at it as it is.
[02:24:06]  Right.
[02:24:07]  But when people call in and they're telling you, you know, these people, they're sick, they were really negative about those of us who deal with that inner turmoil.
[02:24:15]  And I just wanted to let people know that for the people such as me, I can't speak for everybody, but I'm sure that there are some like me that would love to be able to have some assistance, some help, somewhere down the road.
[02:24:27]  And it's a drag when you hear, dial this 800 number, this suicide line.
[02:24:31]  And you call them up.
[02:24:32]  Well, are you ready to kill yourself tonight, sir?
[02:24:34]  No, I'm not.
[02:24:34]  Okay, well, yeah, fine.
[02:24:37]  Call us back when you're ready to kill yourself.
[02:24:38]  Call us back when you're.
[02:24:41]  All right, sir.
[02:24:41]  Thank you.
[02:24:42]  I don't think there's any.
[02:24:43]  You know, probably what they sense about you is what I sensed about you.
[02:24:47]  And that is that you're not suicidal.
[02:24:50]  You're just thinking about it.
[02:24:52]  And that makes you no different than anybody else.
[02:24:55]  If you think most people, maybe everybody, hasn't at least considered it, thought about it, had the thought cross their mind, not necessarily dwelling on it, but thought about it.
[02:25:07]  I think everybody has.
[02:25:09]  And they probably put you in that category.
[02:25:12]  And they sense about you what I just did, and that is that you're not really suicidal.
[02:25:18]  So maybe that is the solution to your problem.
[02:25:21]  That you yourself conclude what is obvious to me and to apparently the people you've talked to, and that is that you are not suicidal.
[02:25:30]  Having thoughts of it does not make it so.
[02:25:33]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:25:35]  Hi.
[02:25:36]  Morning.
[02:25:36]  I'm Tony in Derby, New York.
[02:25:37]  Yes, sir.
[02:25:38]  How you doing today?
[02:25:39]  I'm fine.
[02:25:40]  Two things real quick.
[02:25:42]  Are you on a speaker phone?
[02:25:43]  No, I'm not.
[02:25:44]  I'm sort of standing in my hallway by the bathroom here.
[02:25:47]  I see.
[02:25:47]  All right.
[02:25:49]  Philip Taylor Kramer, can you get a hold of Kathy and update us if there's been any update on that body that was supposed to be found?
[02:25:56]  Yes, I do, and that was not the body of Philip Kramer.
[02:25:59]  Oh, it did turn out not to be.
[02:26:00]  Correct.
[02:26:00]  Oh, okay.
[02:26:01]  I never caught that.
[02:26:02]  Oh, yes.
[02:26:02]  That was on the air.
[02:26:03]  We had that on the air.
[02:26:04]  But you can't catch everything.
[02:26:06]  No, I can't catch everything.
[02:26:09]  Buffalo, New York radio station.
[02:26:11]  I guess you're coming here, right?
[02:26:12]  Where?
[02:26:13]  Buffalo, New York.
[02:26:15]  Now.
[02:26:16]  Did I hear you say you were going to be on the air here soon?
[02:26:19]  I don't think I said that.
[02:26:21]  Oh, I thought you had.
[02:26:22]  But as a matter of fact, yes, we're coming to Buffalo.
[02:26:27]  I know you can't tell me what station, but can you tell us about when?
[02:26:33]  The next couple of weeks.
[02:26:35]  Oh, great.
[02:26:36]  Okay.
[02:26:36]  Okay.
[02:26:37]  I don't know how you people find these things out.
[02:26:39]  I don't think I said I was going to.
[02:26:40]  Yeah, you mentioned it a week or two ago.
[02:26:42]  I did.
[02:26:42]  Yeah, I think you had a lady from Buffalo on the street and mentioned that you were coming very soon.
[02:26:47]  I'm not supposed to talk about it.
[02:26:49]  I didn't hear anything.
[02:26:51]  Yeah, right.
[02:26:52]  Thanks.
[02:26:52]  All right.
[02:26:53]  Thank you.
[02:26:53]  Take care, Art.
[02:26:54]  Take care.
[02:26:55]  Yeah.
[02:26:55]  Yeah, we're coming to Buffalo.
[02:26:58]  You know, I hear these things, and probably I'm not supposed to talk about them until they happen.
[02:27:06]  Welcome to the Rockies.
[02:27:07]  You're on the air.
[02:27:08]  Hi.
[02:27:09]  Hi, Art.
[02:27:10]  Yes, hello.
[02:27:11]  Turn your radio off, please.
[02:27:13]  Time's off.
[02:27:14]  I really wasn't expecting you to answer.
[02:27:17]  Well, then why did you call?
[02:27:19]  Oh, well, no, I've been trying all night.
[02:27:23]  The technology met that you were talking about earlier.
[02:27:25]  Yes.
[02:27:27]  I wish a lot of times people would think about what their technology is going to do before they do it.

=== Outside Activities Matters (02:21) ===

[02:27:34]  I mean, like nuclear power, waste products, they still don't have a safe way of disposing their waste.
[02:27:42]  Oh, I know.
[02:27:42]  We have waste that will be.
[02:27:45]  I think they said some of it for tens of thousands or the better part of 100,000 years.
[02:27:51]  Right, and I wish they would find, you know, wish they would think these things out.
[02:27:56]  You wish.
[02:27:57]  I live next to the area where the high-level dump is going to be.
[02:28:00]  Yeah.
[02:28:00]  Well, I'm in Washington State.
[02:28:03]  My name is Mary, by the way.
[02:28:04]  Yes, Mary.
[02:28:07]  But the technology, other things.
[02:28:08]  When I was growing up, and you were growing up at the same time as I was, I'm about your age, and we had other things to do rather than me on the streets and gangs.
[02:28:19]  I know.
[02:28:20]  I was raised conservative.
[02:28:22]  My parents didn't drink, they didn't smoke, and I was involved in church.
[02:28:28]  I mean, when I was going to school, we had homework every night in grade school.
[02:28:32]  I know how well I remember.
[02:28:34]  And then I was involved in a church group.
[02:28:37]  I was involved in Girl Scouts.
[02:28:39]  Yep, I did all the same things.
[02:28:40]  Thank you, Mary.
[02:28:41]  Look, you know, instead of computers, instead of technology absorbing my young life, I had tree huts.
[02:28:52]  I had the beach.
[02:28:55]  I was outside most of my young life doing things.
[02:29:01]  You know, I'm not going to pretend to be Mother Earth's best friend because I'm not.
[02:29:08]  But I did a lot of things that kids today don't seem to do a lot of.
[02:29:14]  I had a lot of outside activities, and today, kids, many of them, even perhaps the majority, are absorbed in technology.
[02:29:25]  From watching television, how many hours per day, per week, to the internet, to computer games, Nintendo, you name it.

=== Dark Skies Speed Thought (09:11) ===

[02:29:36]  How much time do you think kids today spend in pursuits like the one that you probably had when you were young?
[02:29:44]  Or the pursuits, plural, I guess I should make it, that you had when you were young.
[02:29:49]  A lot of difference, folks.
[02:29:51]  Wildcard line, you're on the air.
[02:29:52]  Hi.
[02:29:53]  Hi, how are you?
[02:29:54]  Okay.
[02:29:55]  This is Mike Lay.
[02:29:57]  Yes, Mike.
[02:29:57]  Yeah, just my view is I hear you, I think about 50% of your program is Irregular and 50% is non-UFO, non-scientific stuff, or science fiction, I should say.
[02:30:11]  So I really listen for the non-UFO stuff.
[02:30:14]  Okay.
[02:30:15]  And that was just my comment.
[02:30:16]  Keep it up.
[02:30:17]  Okay, take care.
[02:30:19]  People listen for all kinds of different reasons.
[02:30:22]  First time caller line, you're on the air.
[02:30:24]  Hi.
[02:30:25]  Art Bell.
[02:30:26]  That's true.
[02:30:26]  How you doing?
[02:30:27]  I'm doing.
[02:30:28]  Good.
[02:30:29]  I've been trying to call you for a while here.
[02:30:31]  I'm driving my truck between Cleveland and Pittsburgh now.
[02:30:34]  All right.
[02:30:35]  Headed back east.
[02:30:37]  I was westbound a couple hours ago and I picked up that 1210 station real good.
[02:30:42]  Boy, that's a big one.
[02:30:43]  Yeah, it's good.
[02:30:44]  You know, it's fading out a little bit about 10 miles east of Cleveland, but it did pretty good.
[02:30:48]  Reason I'm calling, and please answer me without disconnecting because I can't get you on the radio where I'm at now.
[02:30:54]  Okay.
[02:30:56]  About the Dark Skies TV show.
[02:30:58]  Yes.
[02:30:59]  It's been canceled in Cleveland.
[02:31:01]  I don't know if you're aware of that.
[02:31:03]  Well, I have had some communication from Bryce Zabel, who is a producer.
[02:31:10]  And it looks like Dark Skies is going to be canceled.
[02:31:15]  There are going to be perhaps one, maybe two more episodes that will air in some markets.
[02:31:22]  Right.
[02:31:23]  But it does look like it's being canceled by the network.
[02:31:26]  Now, there is this tremendous internet upwelling of people trying to save it or get it moved to another network.
[02:31:33]  My comment about Dark Skies is that it was not that it didn't die.
[02:31:38]  It was murdered.
[02:31:39]  And it was murdered by the people who do the scheduling because it was preempted more than it ever ran.
[02:31:46]  Yes, it sure was.
[02:31:48]  I noticed that.
[02:31:49]  They had ice skating shows or different TV shows.
[02:31:53]  Like every other week it would be off.
[02:31:54]  The baseball playoffs, you name it.
[02:31:57]  Right, right, right.
[02:31:58]  That's a shame.
[02:31:59]  I really enjoyed that.
[02:31:59]  I enjoyed the premise.
[02:32:02]  So, you know, if you're on the internet, get involved.
[02:32:06]  I think they're signing petitions and doing all kinds of things.
[02:32:09]  Right.
[02:32:09]  Okay, Art.
[02:32:10]  All right.
[02:32:10]  Thanks for your time.
[02:32:11]  Thank you, and take care.
[02:32:13]  And that is the story on Dark Skies.
[02:32:15]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:32:17]  Hi.
[02:32:18]  Morning, Art.
[02:32:18]  This is Devin in Nebraska.
[02:32:20]  Yes, sir.
[02:32:21]  Just got the rebroadcast of Mr. Hoagland and Dr. Van Plandren last night.
[02:32:26]  Last night, yes.
[02:32:27]  Yeah, it was great shows always with Mr. Hoagland.
[02:32:31]  I wonder, are you familiar or have any of your guests ever talked about the HyperX project?
[02:32:38]  Never heard of it.
[02:32:40]  NASA, they just had a press release a couple months ago about it, the new rocket-less space vehicles that they're going to start testing, I think, in 1999.
[02:32:52]  They have something on the web about it, but I don't know if it was Mr. Hoagland or somebody who mentioned that, you know, when they do...
[02:32:58]  Rocket-less space vehicles.
[02:33:00]  Right.
[02:33:00]  Right.
[02:33:00]  And there was something on the web.
[02:33:03]  I think it was probably now I can't think of it.
[02:33:06]  What is the means of propulsion?
[02:33:12]  Well, I'm at works.
[02:33:13]  I don't have the specifics in front of me, but it was something with well, now see, it would confused me because it said something about ram air or ram jet technology.
[02:33:23]  But then they said they were space vehicles, so okay.
[02:33:28]  Thank you.
[02:33:29]  I think that what you're referring to is an engine that even in the upper recesses of the atmosphere is capable of blasting itself along.
[02:33:41]  It's not exactly a rocket, and it's not exactly a jet.
[02:33:46]  I'm not an expert in the field, but it does operate in the upper reaches of the atmosphere and then may actually be able to leave the atmosphere and go to yet another mode of propulsion.
[02:34:00]  Very interesting stuff.
[02:34:02]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:34:04]  Hi.
[02:34:04]  Hey, Art.
[02:34:05]  My name's Chris.
[02:34:06]  I'm in San Diego.
[02:34:07]  Yes, Chris.
[02:34:08]  Art, I saw you on Strange Universe, I guess, three or four nights ago, and I think it's wonderful that you're on this earth at this time with me and with the others here.
[02:34:18]  Thank you.
[02:34:19]  Yes, sir.
[02:34:20]  And I also only wanted to tell you that I'm convinced you are an emissary of awareness and growth.
[02:34:28]  And I wish you all the success in the world with your show, as I'm certain you will have, sir.
[02:34:34]  Thank you.
[02:34:35]  And one more thing.
[02:34:36]  Do I have time?
[02:34:37]  Sure.
[02:34:38]  I also want to tell you, Art, that I think the best way that we can not or would keep ourselves from buying into the fear about all the changes inside of the quickening that you were aware of.
[02:34:53]  Yes.
[02:34:54]  Sir, is if we just respond to each instant from the highest part of our being.
[02:35:01]  And maybe then we can just take all the changes and know that we will be unconditionally just fine.
[02:35:08]  Well, if we can get enough people to do that, maybe the changes will slow.
[02:35:13]  I'm so glad you could say that.
[02:35:14]  Oh, I can say it.
[02:35:16]  Yeah.
[02:35:16]  All right, thank you.
[02:35:18]  It's a maybe, though.
[02:35:19]  And I alternate between thinking that what has been set in motion can be slowed or can be stopped and the other darker side of the coin, which tells me that we have already passed, in effect, the point of no return.
[02:35:37]  I don't know those things.
[02:35:39]  I am not a prophet.
[02:35:42]  I am not a social scientist, except as I observe from my little outpost here.
[02:35:48]  I don't know those things, so I don't make those predictions.
[02:35:53]  I just sort of total up what's going on right now.
[02:35:56]  I wish I knew those answers.
[02:35:58]  If I did, maybe I would be instead of in front of a microphone, you know, a pulpit somewhere or something.
[02:36:07]  First time caller line, you're on the air.
[02:36:09]  Hi.
[02:36:09]  Hi, this is Mike in Seattle.
[02:36:11]  Hi, Mike.
[02:36:11]  Have you ever noticed how the chupacabra looks like a baby dragon?
[02:36:15]  Yeah, it does kind of look like a dragon.
[02:36:17]  It has red eyes and green skin.
[02:36:19]  That's right.
[02:36:20]  The fins on the back look like wings.
[02:36:22]  Maybe it's a subspecies.
[02:36:26]  Maybe the Bigfoot, the Nessie, and the Chupacabra are like psychic animals that can travel in between dimensions.
[02:36:33]  And so we can't find them because they can disappear.
[02:36:36]  It's as good a guess as any.
[02:36:38]  The some UFOs, you know, they might be like remote viewing from other planets.
[02:36:47]  Well, any of this could be.
[02:36:53]  They could travel at the speed of thought, and so they wouldn't be subject to time.
[02:36:57]  What is the speed of thought?
[02:36:58]  It's instant.
[02:37:00]  Instantaneous.
[02:37:01]  No delay whatsoever.
[02:37:02]  No, 1.2.
[02:37:04]  There is no speed.
[02:37:06]  Well, it would be instantaneous.
[02:37:08]  That's not a speed, is it?
[02:37:14]  A speed is something you can measure.
[02:37:18]  Instantaneous is...
[02:37:19]  Okay, well, it'll be from one point to another.
[02:37:21]  Uh-huh.
[02:37:22]  All right.
[02:37:22]  Well, right.
[02:37:26]  That's a good point.
[02:37:29]  Now, that presumes, of course, that thought can be transferred other than from one brain firing neuron to the next, jumping across space and time.
[02:37:46]  And I don't know that to be true.
[02:37:49]  So I asked him, what is the speed of thought?
[02:37:51]  Well, there is no speed.
[02:37:52]  It is instantaneous.
[02:37:54]  We don't know that for sure, do we?
[02:37:57]  West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:37:59]  Hi.
[02:38:00]  Hi.
[02:38:00]  Just want to tell you how much I enjoy your show.
[02:38:02]  Thank you.
[02:38:03]  But I don't get to watch this office as I'd like or listen to it as often as I'd like to.
[02:38:07]  There you go.
[02:38:07]  It is radio.
[02:38:08]  Where are you at?
[02:38:09]  I'm in Spokane, Washington.
[02:38:10]  Spokane, K-G-A.
[02:38:12]  Yes.
[02:38:13]  And I do have one question.
[02:38:15]  Whatever happened to Gordon Michael Stallion?
[02:38:20]  He still lives.
[02:38:21]  He still lives, but you never have him on anymore.
[02:38:23]  I haven't had him on in a long time, and that's because he's really not doing public appearances right now.
[02:38:29]  He's not.
[02:38:29]  Nope.
[02:38:30]  Okay, as long as he's still in good health and everything, then.

=== He Had a Boyfriend (02:25) ===

[02:38:33]  Well, he actually had a big battle health-wise.
[02:38:37]  Oh, he did?
[02:38:38]  And when he does what he does, there is a great toll on his health.
[02:38:42]  Oh, I'm sure there is.
[02:38:43]  And I know that he went into a very long retreat.
[02:38:48]  And if I can ever get him on again, I will.
[02:38:51]  Oh, we really, we all really liked him here.
[02:38:55]  Well, he's so nice.
[02:38:56]  I'm sure everybody else did, too.
[02:38:57]  Sure.
[02:38:57]  Sure.
[02:38:58]  Okay, well, that's all I want to say.
[02:39:00]  Glad you called.
[02:39:01]  Thank you.
[02:39:01]  Bye-bye.
[02:39:02]  Gordon is something else.
[02:39:04]  East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
[02:39:05]  Hi.
[02:39:06]  You are, baby.
[02:39:07]  Yes.
[02:39:08]  Cool, Carl, Minneapolis.
[02:39:09]  Cool, Carl?
[02:39:11]  Yeah, hey, I gave you that pick for Silver Charm, didn't I?
[02:39:14]  God, you did.
[02:39:16]  Did you win some money on it?
[02:39:17]  No, I didn't bet.
[02:39:19]  Oh, you turkey.
[02:39:20]  I knew you would.
[02:39:21]  You know what?
[02:39:22]  A lot of people did.
[02:39:23]  And I got a lot of faxes in email.
[02:39:26]  And I think I recall asking you what method, and you said inside information.
[02:39:32]  Yes, I know the jockey, Gary Stevens.
[02:39:36]  Well, you sure were right.
[02:39:37]  He used to go up here all the time to Canterbury Downs.
[02:39:41]  So how much did you win?
[02:39:43]  Oh, I can't divulge that information, sir.
[02:39:47]  Hey, I want to give a shout-out to your mother out there in Long Island and wish her a happy Mother's Day.
[02:39:52]  Oh, thank you.
[02:39:53]  And I want to also ask you about there's rumors going around about Captain Button, the guy who crashed his plane into the Rockies there.
[02:40:01]  Yes.
[02:40:01]  That the reason that he did that was because he was gay.
[02:40:04]  Do you know anything about that?
[02:40:06]  No.
[02:40:07]  You don't believe that story or what?
[02:40:09]  Well, I haven't heard that story.
[02:40:11]  I've heard just about everything else.
[02:40:12]  That's a new one.
[02:40:14]  Yeah, I heard his girlfriend was interviewed and said, well, if Craig was gay, that he would have a hard time dealing with that.
[02:40:21]  And now she says it'll be an unanswered question for the rest of her life.
[02:40:25]  Well, doesn't the fact that he had a girlfriend sort of tell you something right there?
[02:40:31]  Hey, this is what I heard, that he had a boyfriend who was another pilot there.
[02:40:36]  I need to check into that.
[02:40:38]  Ah, rumor central.
[02:40:40]  Hey, good morning, America, and all you Canadians out there.

=== Tomorrow Night's Guest (00:39) ===

[02:40:44]  Have a good day, hey.
[02:40:45]  All right.
[02:40:46]  Take care.
[02:40:47]  I'll tell you.
[02:40:49]  No, that's one I haven't heard.
[02:40:51]  And I didn't really want to hear.
[02:40:53]  Anyway, listen, that's it, folks.
[02:40:55]  We're out of time for this night.
[02:40:57]  We'll do it again tomorrow night.
[02:40:58]  Now, listen, at the beginning of the program tomorrow night, Linda Molten Howe, and she will be talking about a whole bunch of these environmental things that we have discussed here.
[02:41:08]  So look for that.
[02:41:09]  She's normally on Dreamland.
[02:41:10]  Rare is the appearance on Coast.
[02:41:12]  But tomorrow night, for the first couple of hours, a very unusual treat, Linda Moltenhow.
[02:41:18]  That's it for tonight, wherever you are in this great cosmos.