Art Bell dissects the Arkansas Whitewater convictions—Jim Guy Tucker and the McDougals found guilty of fraud—warning they could reshape perceptions of Clinton’s trustworthiness ahead of November elections. Kenneth Starr’s push to expand the scandal looms, while Pat Buchanan’s strategic Dole endorsement risks alienating conservatives. Callers debate the Chupacabra’s origins, from "galactic" theories to skepticism over livestock mutilations, despite pathologists’ conflicting reports. A Freeman compound standoff in Montana escalates, with FBI monitoring and claims of child intimidation. Meanwhile, Bell defends late-night radio, contrasting its depth with daytime constraints, as UFO sightings and shuttle re-entries dominate fringe discussions—highlighting how conspiracy theories thrive when mainstream politics feels distant. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning across all these many, many, many time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian island chains all the way east over fly over country, that's us, to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell.
Good morning, everybody.
Lots and lots to talk about tonight.
It should be a very, very interesting evening.
Or is that morning?
Dependent again on time zone, I guess.
A great big welcome to AM 1100 3WE.
Some of you might say, what's that?
In 38 states, you would not.
That is 3WE Cleveland, Ohio, covering about 38 states and filling in a lot of very nice polls for us.
And we're very, very happy to be on in Cleveland.
So good morning, Cleveland.
And we'll open a line for Cleveland and those listening to AM 1100-3WE and get an idea of where they go as we get underway.
Well, the Whitewater verdicts are in from a jury in Little Rock after eight days of very careful deliberation.
Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker and the Clintons' Whitewater partners, the McDougals, are probably going to go to the pokey for a serious amount of time.
Fraud convictions, conspiracy.
11 counts, rather the number of counts, I ought to say, 18 of 19 charged against Jim McDougall, his ex-wife Susan, four of four, and Governor Tucker, two of seven.
The governor, first saying he would not resign but would appeal now, has said he is going to resign as governor of Arkansas.
It is a victory, no doubt, for Kenneth Starr.
It is politically a big, really a big problem for the Clintons, really a big problem.
At least a perception, if not a legal fact, that the jury did not believe the president.
Simple as that.
The president, as you know, gave videotape testimony.
Now, a lot of you probably don't really know what whitewater is all about.
And the simplest way to explain it is to say the McDougalls, Susan and Jim, when they were married, ran Madison Guarantee Savings and Loan and did so for the benefit of themselves and friends.
That, of course, is not legal.
Now, why would this be a problem for the Clintons?
Well, again, at least certainly a perception that the jury didn't believe the president.
About the only defense they put on was the president.
And of course on the other side, David Hale testifying that President Clinton brought pressure to make a loan.
Now, the President technically, as well as the First Lady so far, is not involved.
However, this certainly is going to give new life to an investigation that was about to falter, really was already faltering.
What next?
Well, one thing to think about is the sentences that are going to be meted out to the McDougalls and even Governor Tucker could be pretty stiff.
Now, there's going to be a period of time when there's going to be appeals and things are going to be going on.
And when you're looking at a lot of years in jail and somebody says, listen, sit down here for a minute.
Let's talk.
Now, if you can tell us something about the president or the first lady and their involvement, we could perhaps look at a reduction in what we're going to ask for in terms of the next 20 or 30 years of your life.
Now, if there is something that one of them would say that would save many years behind bars, soft though they may be, there is a possibility they might say something.
So that's kind of where it stands at the moment.
There is nothing leading directly to the president nor the first lady, except, of course, perceptually.
Politically, it's a problem.
President put the best face on it he could.
There's not a very good face that can be put on this, and surely in the White House this morning, the lights are burning late, trying to figure out how to spin this the right way.
Here's the facts.
My grandmother used to say to me that you can always judge a person by the company they keep, no matter what spin the White House puts on today's events.
It's going to be difficult to neutralize the damage caused by the verdict in Little Rock.
Everybody associated with the Clintons, even the media, has been trying to convince the public there's nothing to Whitewater.
Perception is everything in politics.
And the public's notion of what went on in Arkansas is in now for a major transformation.
Now that is a key phrase, isn't it?
And I guess my question to you is exactly that.
What now is your perception of the President and First Lady?
Now I've been saying for a very long time that if Whitewater goes anywhere, it's going to end up on the First Lady's doorstep.
And I still believe that today, that that ultimately is where it's headed.
So you tell me, are you beginning to be suspicious that this is going to go all the way to the highest level?
You think the public is going to be so upset with President Clinton that even if it doesn't go to the highest level, they will take it into consideration as they go to the ballot in November.
Anyway, it's big news.
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The President modifying somewhat, but nevertheless continuing to claim that very much like the soldiers and sailors who are Covered under the Soldiers and Sailors Act, the President is in even a greater position of importance to the country from a national security perspective and therefore should not have to face the allegations of Paula Jones.
Well, that of course caused a great big blow-up everywhere.
And so the President's lawyer is modifying, but not substantially changing the claim, and they still are going to claim that very much like the Soldiers and Sailors Act, the President should be protected from an assault, a court appearance, probably an examination.
Ooh, how embarrassing that would be.
We'll see.
Going to the U.S. Supreme Court, of course.
Well, CBS is going to spend the entire week unveiling the JFK film, new film, unearthed.
And it is interesting, but it does not yet appear to show us anything that we did not already know.
So I don't know what to say about that, but we'll watch as the experts look at it frame by frame by frame to see what they can figure out.
So far, nothing substantially new.
It is election eve in Israel.
As a matter of fact, within hours, if not already, the Israelis are going to elect somebody prime minister.
Shimone Perez or Benjamin Netanyahu.
And I think that, and you know what I was going to ask you?
If you were an Israeli, who would you vote for?
If it's Perez, then you're voting for a continuation of the peace process.
If it's Netanyahu, then you're voting for a hardliner who is not likely to take anything from the Palestinians who have been regularly blowing up Israelis and buses and lots of things.
So would you vote for security with Netanyahu, or would you vote for the prospect or the hope of peace with Perez?
Perez probably has got the lead.
Taxes.
What do you think of the idea of taxing churches?
This is a story that ran on, I think, CBS Sunday, and it's very interesting.
I had no idea you guys in Colorado were doing this.
The money that government loses by exempting churches and other non-profit entities from property taxes is substantial, including Girl Scouts, museums, hospitals, but most of all, churches.
Well, guess what?
In Colorado, thousands of people have signed petitions to get the issue on the ballot in November.
If the issue should win, the tax exemption for churches, even the Girl Scouts, museums, hospitals, and all the rest of it, would end.
Now, your property tax in Colorado would be less because they'd be carrying a little bit of the load.
The opposite argument is these organizations provide services to the entire community.
Many of those would close.
You know, they house the homeless, feed them, that kind of thing.
Should the treasure of God and good be rendered unto Caesar, cutting your property tax.
How do you feel about that?
Is that God's treasure?
I guess it is.
But if that exemption was lifted, and particularly if you're in Colorado, I would love to know how you're going to vote.
But no matter where you are, I would like to know how you're going to vote on that.
Now, I've got something to tell you, and the new listeners in Cleveland will just be hearing about this for the first time.
The rest of you, this will represent a bit of an update, kind of shocking stuff.
As you know, I received about three or four weeks ago now, about three weeks ago, what purported to be wreckage from the alleged UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico.
That material is in the process of being tested right now, and we are at a juncture where we have received some very unusual results.
Last word not in yet, being tested.
Well, guess what?
I've got more.
The same person has now sent more.
I will read you the letter that came with it, and then I will tell you a little bit about it.
Mr. Bell, I have listened with interest to the ongoing reports on the samples I sent your way.
I noted that the researcher discussing the testing of the samples noted that basically it is aluminum, merely aluminum.
Slight variations on the testing, but indistinguishable from normal aluminum.
Actually, this is precisely the same initial findings of Granddad's team.
However, I neglected to include metallic samples of the exterior of the crashed Roswell disc.
I now include the enclosed and can only say these scrapings came from the exterior underside of the disc itself.
It literally was a shell-like shielding of the disc, brittle and layered, almost with a prefabricated design and placing.
Keep in mind, Mr. Bell, that these are the last of Granddad's samples.
Thank goodness.
They have sat for years inside a closet with his personal effects.
Because of certain concerns, I will not be contacting you on this matter.
Perhaps I'm a bit paranoid, but I do have a family and a career to think about.
Hope you'll understand.
Hope these last samples are helpful.
Of course, I will be listening.
Signed, as always, a friend.
Well, I have posted a copy of this letter on my website.
What I can tell you of the samples he sent, they are amazing.
They are metal.
They are charred, very charred on the outside.
Either a result of re-entry or entry into the atmosphere and the resulting heat or a crash, I would have no way of knowing.
About, oh, I don't know, a quarter inch, half, no, a quarter inch thick, I would say.
When examined with a microscope, I can look at the end of it, and it is the most amazing material.
There have got to be 40 or 50 sheets of material slammed together.
I mean, just sandwiched together to comprise about a quarter inch of thickness.
It is remarkable.
Now, obviously, these latest pieces are already winging their way toward being tested.
And we will have a report for you shortly.
I will try and take some photographs if I can.
It'll take a while.
And get them up on the website.
Incidentally, we continue to get more news of the goat sucker, the thing called the chupacabra, this creature that is either myth or reality, but if it is myth, there are about 2,000 animals that so far seem to have been killed by this myth.
We have a, well, what should I say?
An alleged picture of a chupacabra, the first.
The rest have been drawings.
Matter of fact, Hard Copy, I think, is going to be doing a piece on the chupacabra tomorrow night.
You're going to want to catch that.
I have no idea whether this photograph is real or fake.
I never know about these things.
People send them to me when I see a good one.
I put it on my webpage or put it in the newsletter, however I can do it, to let you take a look.
And I would say, so far, about half the people think it is a fake, but they think it is ugly and evil.
And the other half think it might be real and ugly and evil.
The only thing everybody agrees on is it's ugly and evil.
If you want to see a photograph of it, this animal purported to have killed 2,000 animals, goats particularly, oh yes, goats.
Then, again, a trip to my webpage will show you all you want to see and more.
My webpage address is www.artbell.com.
That's www.artbell.com.
And you know, while we're on the subject, I was wondering if our friends at www.e were to have a website address, it would be www.ww.
If you follow me, I wonder if they do.
Anyway, what I'm going to do is, in celebration of AM 11003WE joining the program, I'm going to reserve my East of the Rockies line for people listening to 1100 3WE.
So, everybody else, hold off.
The listeners of our brand new 38-state monster in Cleveland, you can call 1-800-825-5033, and please, everybody else, hold off and let them get through.
So, that ought to give all of you enough to chew on.
Got a lot more here, but I just don't have time to get to it all.
A big welfare brouhaha.
Oh, this is kind of neat.
Art, this coming weekend is the official beginning of the hurricane season.
Somebody at the National Hurricane Center has a great sense of humor and must be a listener to your show.
The very first hurricane of the season is going to be named Arthur.
That's right, Hurricane Art.
I predict this hurricane will strike land in the middle of the night, take about a 30-share of the Gulf Coast.
Just think, you'll probably be able to talk hurricane art in during coast to coast.
This will be good practice for talking the comet down into the Nevada desert.
All right, we do a kind of a different brand of talk radio here.
We don't screen calls.
Now, that makes it a little weird every now and then, but fun.
It's spontaneous.
On any given night, we can go in any direction, and we do, believe me.
You'll just have to listen to find out what we're all about, but we are not your granddad's talk radio.
In fact, most of the time, I have no idea what we are.
We just sort of flow in the night.
So, if you're new in Cleveland, just listening this morning, buckle down and prepare yourself.
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This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, we treat Coast and Ghost Bay Act from the 28th of May, 1996.
Religious beliefs are ridiculed, denied, clearly de-emphasized by government schools and some media.
So, this guy is really angry.
Doesn't want to tax churches at all.
And then, this, and then we're off to the telephones.
Dear Art, I am a left-wing gay liberal person.
I suspect the Clintons no less today than I did yesterday.
I never trusted them from the beginning.
They're part of the trusted political talent pool, which is much like the trusted Hollywood talent pool.
Using a big star, use a big star, and you'll get a big box office hit.
Use a big politician and a big amount of money, and you'll get a president.
Now, the saddest thing about this ugly truth is the government, as we so fondly repeatedly call it, has become as about as much, has become about as insignificant as Hollywood in the lives of everyday people.
That's why I listen to your show, because it rarely has anything to do with Hollywood and infrequently has anything to do with politics.
If we could only go poof and change every written and spoken expression of the phrase, the government, with the phrase, we, the people, perhaps we would all realize what real democracy is.
We're not in opposition to the government, but the makings of it.
You know, as we know, the LDS Church, or whatever spin-off they would call that, but they believe that a woman is a woman at 12, and then a man is a man at 14, and a marrying age.
Well, when some negotiators went in, namely Bogritz, he came out very discouraged, thinking it was probably going to end violently, and basically saying that he also had the impression that there were some, at least ten or possibly ten, inside that compound/slash farmhouse, whatever it is, who were being held against their will.
Do you have anything on that?
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When you say against your will, I think it's more through they're being more intimidated to stay in, more than physically held in.
I think I read where Bogrit said that at one point my ex-wife said that she thought maybe she ought to come out, and then she was immediately surrounded by Skirtall and a few of the others.
And I think it I think when they're saying they're in there against their will, I believe it's through more through intimidation than actually being physically forced to stay in there.
But they have their own generator there on the Freeman compound.
And I want to understand they got about 6,000 gallons of fuel to run it.
The only thing the townspeople up there were telling me is this generator they have on the Freeman compound is probably not big enough to run their well, their pump in their well.
Yes, well, he's had that idea, thank you, for a long time.
As a matter of fact, what is interesting about Mr. Buchanan is a little fracas that went on up in Washington.
They apparently sent the Buchanan campaign a note that said, if you're going to speak up here, you are going to have to wholeheartedly, without reservation, endorse Bob Dole.
Well, for Pat, Babe Buchanan answered basically by saying nuts, the old general.
No, we're not going to do that.
I mean, come on, the convention is still months away, and we're not going to do that.
Matter of fact, we're not even going to come up to Washington.
So they're not going to.
Now, Mr. Dole's prospects for election are dependent, of course, on many, many things.
One of them is going to be the right wing of the Republican Party, very solidly behind Mr. Buchanan.
If he gets really angry, and he's kind of angry now, he would take those voters from Bob Dole.
Bob Dole can't afford to have those voters taken from him, so his chances go from about two or three in ten, Whitewater aside, to about zero, in my estimation.
So there's going to have to be a healing in the Republican Party, or there is going to be a sweep, and it's not going to have the name Dole at the end of it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Good morning.
I wanted to ask you, whatever happened with that story about the man that killed the two Bigfoot?
And remember, the thing is that for everybody to remember, is that prior to the advent of intense socialism and liberalism, churches and private charities were the organizations that took care of people.
Still, you don't want to spend the rest of your natural life in jail, do you?
And so if a DA or the federal equivalent of it, I guess actually Arkansas equivalent of it, says, look here now, Jim, you don't have to go to jail for that long.
All you've really got to do is tell us where this thing really goes.
And if he's got any hot information, you know he's going to lay it out then and there.
So we will see.
Right now, the perception of trouble at the White House is very strong.
Very strong.
And I'm sure Bob Dole is quietly celebrating because he may have something to go on finally.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
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Good morning.
My question is pertaining to your little creature.
Began reporting on something that was attacking farm animals in Puerto Rico, leaving two outside marks and maybe four inside marks and draining, sucking, if you will, all the blood from the animals killed called the chupacabra.
In the meantime, if you want to see this photograph, and I don't warranty it to be anything, along with the letter that came with it, go to my website, www.artbell.com.
The trouble with photographs now is that any manner of manipulation is possible.
You can do just about anything with a good scanner and a computer and a good program.
I can do it.
So I know it can be done, and it makes nearly all photographs suspect.
And besides that, no matter how good or bad they are, there will be about half the people who will say, oh, you know, I went down to pixel level and I can clearly see this is a fake.
And the other half will believe it.
It's the way it is today.
Isn't that a shame?
Used to be back in the day of days of Polaroids, you know, if you've got a picture, why it was probably the real thing.
If churches suddenly have got to begin paying property tax the way everybody else does, they're not going to have much money left to do charitable work.
That means it's going to fall on the government to do.
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Well, the churches in our neighborhood monopolize most of the wealth.
They are purchasing for-profit businesses and also massive amounts of real estate, which they turn into tax-exempt church farms.
And they practically monopolize most of the wealth in this valley.
All right, well, I guess that is worth chewing over.
In other words, the churches with this tax benefit build great empires to God.
And they are only accessible to members of the church.
Or is that true?
In Colorado, thousands of people have signed a petition to get on the ballot a measure that would cause churches to begin to have to pay Have to pay taxes, property taxes, just like all the rest of this.
Now, it would lower my property tax if churches had to pay, if they joined the crowd.
But then again, the other side of the argument is churches do a lot of beneficial work.
They feed the homeless, house them.
Maybe there are waiting lists to get on or help.
I'm sure that is true.
But, gee, folks, are you sure you want to pass that particular chore on to the government?
Because that is what's going to occur.
If the churches can no longer do it, it's going to go to the government.
It's going to be more power in the hands of the government that you all say you don't like so much.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
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All right.
I was just wondering, whatever happened with the parts, the space parts.
Well, I think the Israelis have started a line of policy three years ago that will basically ensure their own security and try to keep the Palestinians as depressed as possible.
That's my personal opinion.
I mean, if you look at the peace process right now and at what's going on, the self-ruled areas basically excuse me, I'm a little nervous about being on the air.
The cell-ruled areas are they have no control over their external policy.
The Israeli army is just around the corner.
What is so strange is that the media tries to portray the Israeli withdrawal or so-called withdrawal as a withdrawal.
Actually, it's a redeployment, and it's treated as such.
And so I don't really think that if Perez or Netanyahu is elected, I don't think it'll make a lot of difference.
You don't think Netanyahu would slow down the peace process?
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I think, see, the difference is in tactics.
I think both are headed towards the same conclusion, which is basically getting rid of the Palestinian question, giving the Palestinians as little as possible, and also maintaining full control over the territory.
It's a matter of how they're going to want to do it.
Perez is portraying himself like a dove.
You know, he wants to accelerate this thing.
Netanyahu is being a little more cautious.
But I think they're both headed towards the same conclusion.
I tried to get in there during Dreamland because it was a repeat this last weekend, and it said the server was full.
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I get that because I try out of.
I go into the three sites you have listed on your board, on your homepage there and WOAI it seems those guys are like they're always there yep, and they're, they're always up and running.
Anyways Art, you know, when Jim Guy Tucker steps down and they get this Republican in there as governor, I heard you step on a little bit, but I don't think Clinton's gonna last out.
I don't think we have to worry about him running for re-election.
Now, he was several stories up and his cat kept trying to get to this bird and then found a way to get outside.
The bird was sitting right on the edge of the ledge and the cat made a usual cat leap, jumped like crazy and caught the bird and they both went tumbling down several stories and the cat landed on top of the bird.
The bird is dead meat.
The cat is apparently doing quite well.
Well listen, while we're on the subject of chupacabra, this is going to absolutely blow your mind.
Well, I can't speak for the cops, nurses, or firemen, but I guess as a talk show host I can.
What are the pros and cons?
Well, the cons are that when the rest of the world is doing business, you know, whatever it is, whether it's a network business or anything else, I'm asleep, so I miss a lot of business.
It's very hard.
In other words, and people don't understand it.
People who work during the day expect me, they don't think about the fact that I work all night long, so they think I'm wide awake at noon or two o'clock in the afternoon.
Well, for me, that's midnight or two o'clock in the morning.
So a con is that people expect you to be there when you can't be there, unless you're willing to get up at two o'clock in the morning.
The pro, the nighttime hours are much better.
People have time to think about things other than the hustle and bustle during the day.
So if you're doing a talk show, as far as I am concerned, the nighttimes are far better.
And I would never, never, never take this talk show or any other two days.
I've worked nights for 12 years, and what I've learned is that if you work in very bright light at night and keep your room as dark as you can get it during the day, you can change your biological clock around and change your rhythm.
But you are absolutely correct when you say do not try and sleep at night on your days off.
And there are certain things in your life that must be done during the day.
For example, if you've got to deal with an agency like, oh, I don't know, DMV, Department of Motor Vehicles, or the tax people, or whoever it would be, something where you must mandatorily be present, say, at noon or 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock.
This program, you will determine as time goes on, is kind of a mishmash of many, many things.
Does not, except when there's good reason to do it, concentrate on politics.
Actually, there's a pretty good reason to concentrate on it this morning.
Because whether or not you believe that this is going to lead to the president, this whole whitewater thing, the perception of wrongdoing or connection to wrongdoing is absolutely, totally inescapable.
The perception is there.
The seed is planted.
Kenneth Starr will continue to water the seed and try and make it grow into a full-blown scandal.
Yes, I'm looking at it now, and I've been studying this very grainy, of course, black and white photo, and I'm looking at what appears to be the right anterior lateral of this anthropoid creature in stride.
And it has its head turned to the right, and it appears to have, now don't laugh, breast.
Well, number one, that photograph was taken from moving video, which during the time it's moving would have considerably more detail than I'm sure is captured there.
Number two, while you're an expert at examining photographs, are you an expert at veterinary medicine or in some field that would make you an expert on animals in general?
Well, because a letter appeared from Pat Buchanan, sir, does not mean that he specifically wrote it for that publication.
Now, they can take things and reprint them, and lots of things can occur.
I think Pat Buchanan is a lot of things, but I don't think he is what they have accused him of being.
They did a job on Buchanan.
Let's face it, they did a job on Buchanan.
And frankly, to review a little bit, he did not help himself out.
He went down to Arizona at the very moment that he could have clinched the nomination, literally clinched the nomination and put on a black cowboy suit.
And, of course, the media played it up.
And I'm not saying that it was all wrong, but it was a bad move.
And the media played it up, and they made him look extreme, a tag they were trying to put on him anyway.
So, why in the world would Pat go down to Arizona and put on a cowboy uniform with a gun?
It played right into their hands.
Even though it was basically innocent, it played right into their hands, and they beat him to death, political death, with it.
So that's my view on Pat Buchanan.
He is not going to beat president.
And he may, however, hold Bob Dole's future in his hand.
If he takes away the far right, Bob Dole does not have a chance.
Have you seen the photograph, the alleged photograph of the chupacabra that I have?
Yeah, I thought it was Bob Dole at first, but I was going to say, if either one of your wives actually looked like that, there would not be enough liquor in the whole world.
The convictions, of course, in Arkansas, big news.
Perceptually, politically, how it will affect the Clintons is more important at this juncture than whether there is a legal line that leads to, I think, first, if at all, the first lady and then the president.
Nothing to say that is occurring.
But a perceptual political problem does exist for the Clintons now, so that's big news.
Lots of other things in the news we can talk about.
Actually, anything that's on your mind.
This is live unscreened talk radio because this radio station cares enough to have live talk radio on.
Brad Steiger and Dr. Mitchell came across in their interviews as being a couple of the most gracious gentlemen I've heard on the radio, TV, or in person in a long time.
Now, if the government has to do the work, it's going to cost us, arguably and truthfully, a hell of a lot more than costs us giving the churches a break.
And I reference frequently a Wall Street Journal article about three or four years ago that concluded, after a study, that the legalization of hemp would add about half a trillion dollars to the U.S. economy per year.
Well, I would attribute, I would say, all of those same attributes could and are claimed by conservatives.
Right?
Unless you're the kind of liberal that our president is.
Now, our president is a sort of morphing man.
In other words, he is whatever he needs to be to get re-elected, either elected or reelected.
And they say one of the very poorest spots to be standing in right now is just to the right of the president because you're going to get run over like a train as the president runs to the right.
I just don't know how you beat somebody like Clinton.
Whatever it is that Bob Dole gets as a good campaign issue, save perhaps these latest convictions.
Bill Clinton says me too.
I mean, he just morphs.
I am convinced if he had to do it, if he had to do it, he would declare himself a conservative Republican and run that way to get back into the White House.
So, you know, it's like I don't hardly ever get to do anything in the daytime, but, you know, it's really good at the grocery store if you go to a 24-hour grocery store, you don't have any crowdsourced.
Art economically, it's my view they are trying to target some of the mainstream, powerful religious entities that do indeed have strong investments in equity security, and perhaps they do garner a profit from that.
But our congregation is extremely small, not exactly well endowed.
And it would be ridiculous unless this law, as it is written here, is severely modified.
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Listen, may I ask you a couple of questions about Chupacabre?
I imagine, and I would encourage any of your guests who get biological data about this to send the tissue samples to him.
He is an honorable scientist, and he will provide the DNA data, the histologic data, and with all due respect to your caller half an hour ago that's a microscopist, if he gets tissue samples, send it to the lad in the Northwest.
I don't know if it counts because he's an African anthropologist, but I can already tell you if that caller was here, he would say it doesn't count for exactly that reason.
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Yeah, I know.
But his book is called The African Origins of Civilization.
And he took melanin samples from most of the Egyptian pharyonic Egyptian mummies and found 90% melanin in most of the mummy's skin.
And as you know, most European or people of European descent don't have that much melanin in their skin.
Correct.
Now, there were some mummies with a lot less melanin in their skin, but a lot of Egyptologists realized that the Hyksos were a white tribe that invaded Egypt, the northern part of Egypt, at a certain time in Egypt's history.
So there were white pharaohs, but they were concurrent with black pharaohs.
So I just wanted to say that, you know, I wasn't talking off the top of my head.
That was the first time she had been on the air in about three or four months.
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Oh, I'm just tuning in because I just started listening about, I'd say a couple of months ago, when you got those Roswell pieces and began listening in.
I wonder, maybe it gets to the point after a while where even human beings become nocturnal.
Even getting to the point where pronounced exposure, prolonged exposure to the sunlight during the day can cause you to melt like the wicked witch of the north.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Whoops, what a bin.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Hey, Art.
Hello.
I'm calling from Calabasas, California.
Well, all right.
I'm interested in what you're saying about night people because I've recently just switched my schedule around.
For some reason, Chupacabra has caught everybody's attention.
You know, that's almost worth asking about.
I mean, I'm not saying it's not real, but it might not be.
Something is out there.
Something is doing all of this.
And yet there is an intense, intense, intense interest in this creature.
Why do you suppose that is?
Why do we so like our monsters?
We like monsters.
Comes from our childhood.
Days when we used to sit around campfire telling each other jokes, scaring people like to be scared.
They actually like to be scared.
Think about it.
There's no sun out there now.
Barely a moon.
Less than half.
Not enough light.
Nobody would hear you scream.
Gives you a little chill, doesn't it?
A creature, an ugly, awful, evil-looking creature.
And if you download the photograph and take a look at it, you'll see how evil and ugly it is.
There's a little part of you that likes being scared, isn't there?
When you walk outside, when you pass by those bushes, when you hear a little noise off to the left or right, something that might be preparing to leap out at you.
It's not fun then, but it gives you kind of an adrenaline rush, doesn't it?
I happen to agree with what Pat Buchanan just did, and I would have done the same thing.
Now, I was not particularly a Buchanan supporter during the primaries, and I thought that some allegations with regard to Pat were on the money.
Some he helped the press with.
I mean, the press was already having a field day.
He made it all the easier for them.
But I think this move by the Dole campaign, and it is the Dole campaign, you know damn well that you had to go on high to get that kind of order with regard to what Mr. Buchanan would have to do if he wanted to participate up in Washington.
That was wrong.
Absolutely wrong.
I'm really fed up at the moment with politics.
I just am fed up.
I'm upset with it.
I don't like the race coming up.
I don't much like the candidate.
No, wait a minute.
Let me correct that.
I don't like the candidates.
And I don't know when I'm going to get energized or even if I am going to this year.
And I have been every year.
I'm a political animal, I'll tell you, but I'm just, I feel disconnected, disenfranchised, period.
uh... if you're worried i don't know what problem you've ever heard of that I don't think you've mentioned it since you used to run your Area 2000 show.
Radio in the nighttime, this wonderful nighttime of ours, subject of yet another facts from one of you.
One of you night people out there.
By the way, is the shuttle on schedule?
You might keep me informed by facts.
My fax number here is area code 702-727-8499.
I should like to know.
Because if they are on schedule, I've got to let everybody know about 3:30 or so to get outside and take a look.
It is, if they are on schedule, it's going to really be something.
Hi, Art.
I wonder how many night people out there have been subjected to the usual insulting comments that I have.
I'm perplexed by the fact that day people are so obsessed with the hours that night people keep.
Frankly, I'm not the least bit interested in their sleeping patterns, and yet their interest in mine seems to border on defensiveness to the extent that they resort to name-calling.
I have been called unsocial, stuck up, vampire, hermit, lazy, because I sleep during the day, recluse, werewolf, and the list goes on.
All right, I am now going to do something I don't do very frequently aside from the chupa song.
Was one other that was sent to me, I don't know, it was a couple of months ago, and I played it once or twice, and I've had a million faxes, a request tonight, and then several more faxes.
So here it is.
It's also for my friends in Nashville.
It's really for everybody.
I think you'll enjoy this.
I got a big laugh out of it when I got it.
Listen to the words very, very carefully.
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Here we go.
Please, Lord, if I'm abducted, don't let it be the graze.
The short little guys with the big black eyes from a galaxy far away.
I've heard the horror stories being taken in the dead of night.
Laid out on the table like a Christmas turkey.
Afraid I die from fright.
They can mirror allies you with their eyes and levitate you out of bed.
Pull you right up through the ceiling and start messing with your head.
Now, if they would just stop at that, I wouldn't mind too much.
But I've heard they'll probe you up and down and you won't like where they touch.
The witnesses say they're a humorless bunch, but that I'm quite surprised.
Because they watch all the reruns of I Love Lucy and the best of Saturday night life.
I don't want to be a live experiment by the children at a place unknown.
Cause they'll splice your jeans and make grotesque things.
Leave my tadpole guys alone.
Please, Lord, if I'm abducted, don't let it be the grace.
Short little guys with the big black eyes from a galaxy far away.
I've heard the horror stories being taken in the dead of night.
Laid out on the table like a Christmas turkey.
I'm afraid I'd die from fright.
But I snarl signed the tree.
You never thought they'd stay.
Maybe hang around long enough to mutilate some cattle and they'd be on their way.
We've built them underground faces and they're feeling right at home.
Like that dreamland in Nevada where the antelope and aliens are roam.
When one of them comes up missing, trying to get to the radio station early before the sun comes up and they find his body bereft of all blood, that'll be the last time they joke.
Whoever the operator is, whether she's with ATT or MCI or whatever phone company you've got, you can visualize the one who cuts you off as ugly and mean, like the meanest teacher you ever had.
And then when you get through, why, God bless the phone company, right?
Right.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hello.
This must be Fort Wayne, Indiana Night or something.
But do you know of any powerful AM stations around here?
I listen to WGL up here, and I was wondering if you know of any powerful AM stations or something that I could catch that I might be able to catch your last hour.
I believed him until he started taking off on the Catholic Church in a larger way with the bankers and all the rest of it.
Then I began to detect a chip on his shoulder.
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Well, he could have very well had resentment if he did go through that kind of treatment.
But somebody ought to check that out under, you know, like, you know, however you would do that, you know, somebody that really isn't homeless.
But anyway, you're going to have the truck driver on for the Freeman problem.
And I don't understand this Freeman cause.
I don't know what their, you know, manifesto is.
But I was looking at the paper, and Brandy Schweitzer is Lebright Schweitzer's daughter, and she signed a sworn affidavit concerning the mistreatment of her father by law enforcement.
And if you could get a hold of Brandy to kind of balance off the truck drivers, well, what makes you think he's going to be negative?
Doesn't mean that anybody off the street can just come in and demand help and get it.
I know that.
But, I mean, before you make this move with regard to removing a church's tax-exempt status, ask yourself if the government is going to be able to pick up the slack.
What do you think?
And if they do, how much is that going to cost us?
I mean, just hearing this makes me want to tell you guys to set up a chupacabra checkpoint.
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Anyways, I wanted to talk a little bit today, too, about the ruling in Arkansas down there.
I really don't think it's going to affect the president that much.
He's got a 20-point lead over Dole right now.
And I don't know, as far as Hillary, I don't know if they want to have the baby now, you know, now that they're going to be, I think Bill's going to be re-elected myself.
And I don't think that's a big deal down there in Washington to them, anyways, right now.
I mean, that's the last on my, that would be the last of my worries about a little baby if I was running for the presidency, trying to get me re-elected.
Anyways, I did want to tell you, though, that I was going to be going down to Mexico, and I want to talk to some of my relatives out there.
And I don't think any major country in the world right now could afford to do it.
And if you had been to China, you would understand why.
It's a tough pill to swallow politically, but I admire Bob Dole for actually going along with Bill Clinton with regard to China, because to do anything else would be insane.
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This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
All right, I'm getting information that the shuttle has begun to deorbit.
Once that process has begun, she is coming down.
The shuttle will be on time and will land on runway 33 at the Kennedy Space Center.
Landing will occur during what would have been Orbit 161 at 4.09 a.m.
Visible?
It should be visible.
This really is going to be something to see.
So if you're in Northern California, central Nevada, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, the Texas Panhandle, or Mississippi, you're going to want to go outside any minute now.
Take a transistor with you, and you may get the show of a lifetime.
This really is something I saw one of the other shuttle re-entries, and oh man, it was incredible.
Absolutely incredible.
It began as sort of an orange blur in the western sky.
And the blur got bigger and bigger and bigger, and then it began to shoot across the sky.
And there was this tremendous trail that it left in the very much pre-dawn time as we have right now.
And, of course, at the altitude the shuttle is, while it's in the west, particularly, it is reflecting sunlight, and it's the damnedest thing you ever saw.
So if you have a little bit of extra time in the next few minutes, you better get outside and watch for the shuttle.
And I want some reports, particularly from California.
When the people in California begin to see it, you know it's about time.
I was wanting to comment to our first lady that if she wished to get pregnant and have another child, it would behoove her to do that while her active duty husband was still in office.
That way they could have the child on a military basis.
Military basis.
I'm really concerned about the flur against the militia movement.
I'm a historian by nature and Thought, and I have studied the Confederate Constitution and the things which it offered for the political spectrum debate.
And states' rights, free determinism, the intense limitations it placed upon elected officials.
I think, really, despite the Confederacy's obvious racial discrimination and other bad points, it may have been a better choice for us.
And the militia movement, I think, in some circumstances and instances tends to be reliving some of those points.
And it disturbs me to see the media collectively kind of paint the broadbush of white separatist supremacist Christian identity, what have you, brush on the whole militia movement.
And I think it's further delineated by the fact that the militia movement is distancing itself from the Justice Township people.
Well, it seems to be now, but it certainly was not in the beginning.
I appreciate your comments, and to some degree, you're correct.
And I am glad that the militia movement is waking up.
And I think the longer this goes on, the more facts that are known about the Freeman, the less danger there is.
So I think the FBI, in a way, is right to have waited and to have allowed the news and the media to catch up with what these Freemen really are, what they're all about.
Had it occurred, had the FBI moved quickly, there would not have been an education out there.
And there would have been a lot of militia movements that would have, sort of as a reactionary thing, responded and gone to the rescue of the Freemen, and there would have been real trouble.
I sent you an article out of the Oregonian last Friday.
I know you got a lot of mail and everything, but they talked a little bit about the chupacabra.
Yes.
And what they basically said was that it's 90% hype, you know, down in Mexico and everything, because the article said that the doctors that examine the mutilated animals down there said that there was blood in the system, and they believed that it was a pack of wild dogs.
And I've wondered that what led you to believe that somehow we are somehow experiencing somehow, I guess, what you would refer to somehow as an end of, I guess, you know, really what I think you can only characterize as what we consider to be civilization or, you know, that which we really can understand.
Do you think this in any way coincides with what a lot of Christians have thought about the coming of the Lord or the rapture or the end of the world or if it somehow relates to it?
But I'd ask you in closing, what do you think that, you know, I'm 32 years old, and you're a lot older than I. What do you think has led us to where we are now?
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And if so, is there anything we can do to change it?
I have not yet been on their network, but I hear it's pretty hot stuff.
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It is.
And they also have a new feature which is called, oh, let me see here.
It's called the Net Meeting.
Yes.
It allows you to chat, talk a voice, draw on a whiteboard with other people in a conference over the Internet, and also control your own applications on your computer.
One of the most ludicrous things I've heard in a long time is that one of the HAARP officials recently defended the HARP project by suggesting that amateur radio operators put a very great deal more radiation into the atmosphere every day than the HARP project does.
Well, of course, that is specifically true, but they do not focus that energy on a specific point of the ionosphere with the intent of actually burning a hole in it.
It is a very broad spectrum signal that reflects from the ionosphere and not even close to what HARP plans to do.
Anyway, so I went out on my back porch because we're on a two-level two-story home and looking out on the porch, and it's very cloudy out there, but to the north of us, there were no clouds.
So anyway, I'm out there and I'm watching, and I thought I saw it, and I called my husband, and he comes running out from the bedroom, and he said, no, no, no, he said, that's just the star, the clouds that are moving.
So we stood there and we kept looking, and we were looking kind of like in different directions because we really didn't know exactly which way it would be coming.