Art Bell dissects Bob Dole’s 1996 Senate resignation to focus on his presidential bid, noting Clinton’s 54% lead while questioning Dole’s ability to sway women and independents amid GOP infighting over abortion and trade. Meanwhile, the Freemen standoff escalates as callers debate tactics—from barbed-wire house arrest to military force—while Bell warns their defiance risks civil war and emboldening extremists. A caller’s wild chupacabra theories (psychological warfare, future Christians) clash with Bell’s skepticism, though he humorously entertains livestock-related queries. Government overreach claims, including HAARP conspiracies and sealed Roswell evidence, are dismissed as fringe, while Bell praises Dole’s military experience over Clinton’s foreign policy expertise, framing the election as a test of leadership in crises. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be, and welcome to yet another edition of Coast to Coast AM Live Talk Radio throughout the nighttime.
Right here from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands in the West, eastward across flyover country.
He has quit the entire U.S. Senate, not just his majority leader position, but the whole Senate.
He knew his campaign was in trouble and is, knows it.
Said that he wants to run as a citizen, just a citizen, another guy from Kansas.
He's been in Congress since 1960.
He said yesterday, quote, I will seek the presidency with nothing to fall back on but the judgment of the people and nowhere to go but the White House or home, end quote.
It was a day when for the first time you got to see the human side of Bob Dole.
And it was well done.
Unlike his answer to the State of the Union message, this was well done heartfelt and the real man.
Nevertheless, polling way behind, NBC Wall Street Journal has Clinton at 54, Dole at 37, the battleground in the Midwest.
Women, a real problem for Bob Dole.
Listen to this.
With women, it's Clinton 59, Dole 33.
He's got to get the women somehow.
Independence, Clinton 54, Dole 24.
So he's way, way behind in both categories, women and independents.
These are important.
We're going to the White House with these votes or not without them kind of groups.
Another question mark is what's going to occur at the convention in San Diego.
How will Pat Buchanan behave?
Will he join the Dole campaign or will he splinter himself off?
I imagine the first rather than the latter.
He's got to deal with the abortion minimum wage issues.
Can't do that from the Senate very well because of all the pressure.
So he's going to do it as a private citizen.
It is a good move without much to lose.
Even the White House was stunned at the news.
The president surrounded himself during the day with police on the steps of Capitol Hill for photo ops and simply tried to look very presidential.
So there you've got it.
It did stun everybody, and it is a good move, in my opinion, because Bob Dole was probably coming toward the end sunset of his Senate career.
Anyway, he's going to be tired, whether he wins, loses the race for the White House, he's going to be pooped.
And he's going to be ready to go home.
So all things considered, it was a good move.
Question is, can he win the groups that he needs, the women, the independents?
Can he hold the party together?
Can he hold the convention together?
Can he keep Pat Buchanan from fouling up the works at the convention?
Because you split what little is left, and there is zero chance, and minus, that he would ever be able to beat Bill Clinton.
Here's a fax.
Hi, Art.
Wow.
Was that really Bob Dole I saw on TV today?
It was the first time he ever actually moved me.
As I listened to him, I kept thinking, there is hope.
I saw a different Bob Dole standing up there.
He was emotional, vulnerable, downright human, yet still projected the strength, stability, and character that Bill Clinton will never have.
If this is the new Bob Dole, I like it.
If he can combine a sense of warmth, humor, and humility with the other fine traits he already has, there is hope in November.
I have to believe the Clinton camp is praying that old Bob Dole comes back soon.
That's D-U-L-L.
So it is an interesting move on Bob Dole's part.
There's no question about it.
I wonder if you think he can do it.
I wonder why he has such a problem with women.
I can understand why politically he's got a bit of difficulty with the independents.
But why the women?
Dare I say, could it be looks?
Could it be personality?
Could it be the women, if not looks, let's leave that because that'll get me in trouble.
Could it be that Bill Clinton is just very energetic and young and appeals to women?
Well, that's because of his youth.
So I don't know.
Interesting political development.
Bob Dole is now going to have to capitalize on it somehow by following up now with a good, strong, energetic, youthful campaign.
ValueJet Flight 592.
Oh my.
May have been carrying cargo.
It shouldn't have been carrying four or five crates of oxygen generators.
Now, these are cans full of chemicals that are designed to fall down and give you oxygen when you need it on an airplane, you know, if they lose pressurization.
And I would have no way of knowing, but one would think ValueJet was carrying them to another ValueJet location, something like that.
But they are regarded as hazardous materials.
And they were not authorized this kind of cargo.
Investigators now say there was, indeed, an explosion in fire.
Some of the wreckage is coming up painfully with soot and fire damage.
The search may have to go on for weeks.
Military said none of its personnel may fly on ValueJet for at least 30 days.
So no military on ValueJet.
How about you?
Would you given, I don't know, the savings of $150 or so, would you fly ValueJet?
Or would you go for one of the name brands?
Really ask yourself that.
If you went to the airport today and it was about $150 cheaper to fly ValueJet than the other airlines, would you fork over the money?
Or would you say, I'll take my chances.
Let's fly ValueJet.
Philip Morris made a surprise announcement today, said that it's going to support a law to cut teen smoking.
They'll do that, they say, by banning cigarettes in vending machines and severely limiting advertising.
But in return, quid pro quo, they want the same legislation to prohibit the FDA from regulating tobacco as a drug.
So far, it looks like the White House is not interested.
Do you think it would be a good deal?
Would you go for it?
Or do you want to see tobacco regulated just like a drug so that people who need cigarettes have to go to their doctor?
I still can't imagine that.
You go to the doctor these days and you're going to get a lecture about smoking anyway, right?
They do it automatically.
Automatically.
Even the dentists do it.
So can you imagine going to a doctor who's going to give you a lecture anyway and trying to get your prescription for a carton of cigarettes?
Yeah, good luck.
All right, trade war, question mark with China.
Yeah, maybe.
The U.S. today announced $3 billion, a lot of money, in trade sanctions against China.
U.S. sick of our intellectual product, movies, CDs, blah, blah, being pirated.
And so we slammed on 100% tariffs in 30 days on clothing, electronics, and other consumer goods.
China immediately fired back by banning any imports of, interestingly, movies, TV shows, CDs, cars, vegetable oils, the very things that they have been pirating anyway.
A climber rescued from Mount Everest after a blizzard said that he dragged himself to safety because he had a lot to come back to.
Seaborn Weathers of Dallas told ABC's Primetime Live he lost his way in a blizzard and then, exhausted, fell asleep.
Well, when he woke up, realized that if he didn't act soon, he was going to die.
So he pushed on and on until he saw what turned out to be a tent.
He was evacuated Monday in the highest ever emergency rescue by helicopters from that mountain, 19,100 feet.
He suffered frostbite, says otherwise, he can deal with whatever physical wounds came out of the ordeal.
Well, I knew it was on its way.
Lawyers for our president have taken the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit to the U.S. Supreme Court in an effort to delay the trial until after Clinton leaves office.
They argue that litigation of a private civil damage lawsuit must be deferred until the president leaves office.
In all but the most exceptional cases, a federal appeals court ruled in January, the Jones lawsuit can go to trial, even while the president remains in office.
Jones alleges that Clinton made unwanted advances in a Little Rock hotel room back in 1991 when he was then governor of Arkansas and she a good-looking state employee.
So we'll see.
How do you think Clarence Thomas Do you think he would recuse himself in this case?
Or if not, then how do you think he would vote?
I've got an article here entitled, let's see, it's from the Fernando Di Valley Associated Press article, as a matter of fact.
The goatsucker legend claws its way into Texas.
Sylvia remembered what she had seen on TV when she found Nina, her pet goat, dead with three puncture wounds in its neck.
Then she got scared.
I think it's watching over us, she said.
It might happen again.
We never know when it's going to come back.
It is chupacabra.
So there it is, down in Texas.
Dear Art, after seeing a news report on CNN about chupacabra, a thought came to me, and perhaps one of your other listeners can come up with some sort of good answer.
What mineral, chemical, or other substance is there in goat blood that differs it from any other blood?
It appears that goats are the main targets.
True.
And it would only seem logical to me there must be something a tad different about their blood.
And says he enjoyed the program last night.
Desert Dan.
The Freeman Standoff.
Today, apparently on my affiliate up in Portland, KEX, they had a bit of a go-around about asking the question, what could be done to settle the Freeman situation without violence?
It is a good topic.
It looks very much as though it is headed to a violent conclusion right now.
Some of the ideas pump enormous quantities of deodorant of skunk into the house.
Annoying, but I doubt that would do it.
Two, set up a giant speaker and play obnoxious music 24 hours a day at high decibels using Roseanne Barr singing the Star-Spangled Banner.
I don't get a chance to reread all these.
That's funny.
Make the ranch house the center of a small donut perimeter with electronically monitored fence and pick up each as they leave from the noise in skunk order.
Use a non-toxic sleep gas on the house.
Now that one's not bad.
Then move in with a SWAT team to arrest the ones under indictment while they sleep.
You know what?
That has possibilities.
Cut the cost of the stakeout by using reserve and guard troops who have to go to two to three weeks summer camp anyhow and rotate them while allowing no entry to anyone and cutting phones off.
Anybody else have any ideas?
Or what do you like that you just heard?
In other words, how could we, without violence, end that standoff?
I like the idea of putting them to sleep.
The only thing is it may not be practical.
In other words, you need just the right dosage to ensure somebody gets to sleep and not permanently to sleep.
In Bangladesh, they just held the first annual muggers convention.
Next year, maybe it'll be in the Anaheim Convention Center.
No, oh, no, it says it won't be.
Can you imagine that?
A convention of muggers.
All right, well, I've got a little bit here on the asteroid that NASA is now looking for.
Oh, did I say asteroid?
Well, it's not that they found one, but they're looking with very little fanfare.
NASA has just begun a program to watch for dangerous asteroids.
Now, isn't that something?
We all have more.
So NASA's looking for asteroids.
The Air Force is involved.
They're going to use telescopes that had been used for other things, and they're going to start looking hard for asteroids that might threaten the Earth.
All of that quietly, but it is now underway, and I thought you'd like to know.
By the way, that article is in the New York Times.
Dear Art, the year is 1996, and all of the world's governments have just made the grim announcement that an asteroid is going to collide with Earth in one year.
Nothing anyone can do.
The Earth will be destroyed.
We're informed we all have one year to live.
There'd be a lot of different responses to this news.
Some folks would simply freak out.
Others would begin killing people.
Others might try to build their own homemade spaceship to get the hell off the planet.
Others would become deeply spiritual and retire into themselves until the day came.
After 11 months goes by, everything has changed in the world.
All people have been forced to take a good long look at the way they see the world and how wrong we've been to hate each other.
The way we worship money and material things would be in the past, as those who are left sit and wait for the end.
On the day the asteroid is supposed to hit, something happens and it misses something to think about.
Well, I've done that before as a what-if, you know, if an asteroid was headed toward us and we had one year or something like that.
And obviously, and for some reason, NASA has a sudden great interest in looking for things headed our way.
For as long as I would be able, and I've said this before, I would sit right here and we'd set up a little observation thing outside and we'd sort of talk it in.
I mean, what else could you do, but what you do?
So that's what I guess I would do.
All right, it's going to be an open line kind of night, and we'll be right back with it.
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I think what the problem here is that these gentlemen didn't watch cable TV in the first place.
And what they did was they learned about what common law is.
And a lot of people don't understand that that's a lot of what they were talking about is common law.
And if they were allowed to show people what the reality of what they were doing, I think there'd probably be a lot of people that would change their minds about them.
You put a lien on somebody that is not legal anyway, and they don't yield up the money to the lien, and you write checks on what you think is going to be deposited that you know damn well really never will be.
That's a hot check, folks.
Now, the question is, how best to get them to come out?
Now, the Roseanne Barr thing, while effective, does seem inhuman and cruel to me.
Cutting off their TV, that's close to inhuman and cruel.
East of the Rockies, whoops, you would have been on the air.
And I'm sure the FBI and the ATF and the other agencies that are there in force are listening as well.
So, sure.
If you've got some ideas about how this could be resolved without bloodshed, if there is bloodshed, oh, then it could be the shot heard around the world.
And I've had some indication that some heavy equipment is moving that way, indicating the possibility of a near-term dynamic entry of some sort.
This is, while it's a story that the networks haven't picked up on yet, all the major network mainstays, KNBC, KBC, CBS in L.A., all across the southwestern U.S., is reporting on it.
I've been giving a lot of thought to this Freeman issue for several days.
I don't think it's feasible, but one possible solution would be for the FBI to completely back off and let a militia group that does not share the radical views actually take care of the problem.
And that way, the people could not really come back on the government because the government wouldn't have solved it.
I don't think I follow what you're saying, but I don't think that you could do that simply from the sense that that would be the federal government yielding its proper authority.
I guess I should have prefaced it by saying I don't think it's feasible, but it would certainly solve the issue of I'm more concerned about martial law than I am a bunch of militia issues.
I don't want it to escalate to that, and one way to do it would be to simply short-circuit that from happening.
I would think you could barely get away with it even if you deputized the people.
But I appreciate the suggestion, and I understand why you made it, but I don't think that they would go for it.
No, it's going to have to be legitimate law enforcement.
And I don't think the government and the law enforcement agencies, even the state agencies, can, in effect, give away their power for the sake of political expediency.
You were saying that, actually asked him the question if there was a peaceful way to resolve this Freeman situation.
Yes.
I believe that if the freedom of speech were actually allowed to the extent that it should be in this country, that we should be able to hear what the Freeman have to say, regardless of whether at this point we agree with them or not, because in a way, the media, I believe, is somewhat responsible for making sure that their message does not get out.
If we had true freedom of speech in this country, we would be able to listen to what they had to say, regardless of the bad checks and all of that, and determine for ourselves what the value of their objective or opinion was.
You know, I have read, and I'll try to keep it short.
Look, I don't think there is any right to a public forum because you wrote bad checks or because there's a standoff or because you've got guns and you're holding the feds back.
I don't think that gives you a right to a forum that you otherwise would not have.
If they broke the law, then, or it is alleged they have broken the law, then they will have a forum.
Well, I appreciate your suggestion, sir, and we'll chew it over.
But look, that's like saying that the Unibomber was justified in killing people so that he could get his manifesto read.
Huh?
It worked.
He did it.
And even with regard to the Freemen right now, if they were not holding off the FBI with guns, the ATF with guns, and the threat of violence and death and political tragedy after Waco and Ruby Ridge, you know, to have another one, they know the federal government doesn't want that.
So, in a way, their issue is heard.
Here we are talking about it, right?
It is interesting.
It is interesting that you can get a forum.
If you've got a gun, you can get a forum.
If you've got a bomb, you can get a forum.
Well, you can try and get a forum anyway, but the people that have now succeeded, I think, are paving the way for others who are going to try it.
Don't you think?
Don't you think the average Schmo out there who wants his idea, whatever it is, crackpot or otherwise, to be heard, if he does something violent, he'll be heard.
Otherwise, you know, who's going to print that stuff?
There are initial signs that that may be close to occurring because public sentiment seems to have shifted and a lot of the public is beginning to get impatient.
why don't we try and buy the constitution uh... the pickle five which uh... daily state but trial by a jury of their own pier now yes what what does that mean Well, what that means is, like Patrick Henry quoted, let me find the quote here.
Okay, well, that may be the case, Art, but it's a lot better to be dragged off to a federal court where you're not only the plaintiff, but you're the judge also.
In other words, the plaintiff in this case is the federal court.
What's fair is to be judged in their own state by their own peers, by people who know them, are acquainted with their lifestyle, who know these people.
Yeah, he put a jet-assisted take-off thing on the back of his Chevy and plowed into a mountain at about the 125-foot level, which means he was airborne for quite some time.
Anyway, that whole thing is up on my webpage, by the way.
And so if you would like to go to my webpage and download that and some of the other things.
What I try to do, when I read something that gets a lot of response from all of you, I try to put it on the webpage.
And so the Jet-assisted taking off Chevrolet is up there, and you can go get it.
Yeah, I was just wondering on this thing going on that y'all have actually had the lines open the past couple of days talking and I was unable to catch your show.
What exactly is this group of folks doing that they haven't been able to decide what to do with them yet?
They are a group of farmers in Montana who had, for one reason or another, bad luck and lost their farms and they were about to be foreclosed on and a lot of other things.
They had tax troubles.
And so they decided they were going to hold themselves up.
And they began to issue liens, in other words, become a law unto themselves and issued liens against certain public officials and state officials and then began to write checks against the liens.
And, of course, nobody had really paid into the liens, so the checks were naturally hot.
And so now they're hold up with guns, and it's a standoff.
I mean, that's what's going on out there.
It's a standoff.
Federal government's not moving, probably politically scared to death after Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Well, I was just wondering about it, you know, why they haven't made a decision what to do out there because I had heard, of course, you know, you hear a lot of things.
Great Solution Art set up large video screens around the Freeman compound and broadcast Al Gore speeches continuously 24 hours a day.
And when they finally fall asleep, walk in and take them.
That's Madison, Wisconsin Mike.
There seems to be no doubt that the Freeman broke the law and should be arrested.
But don't you think they ought to be arrested by local county or state authorities?
As the crimes are not federal in nature, well, yes, they are.
Don't you think the public might be more supportive of the authorities if other criminals who wear federal badges were prosecuted instead of being rewarded?
Dear Art, thought you'd like to know that during a discussion about HAARP last Monday night with Dr. John Rasmussen, the diagnostic supervisor from Phillips Labs in charge of HAARP, he said in front of witnesses that ham radio operators were heating up the ionosphere when they're transmitting because there were thousands of them, all transmitting globally, as he put it.
I stated ham operators were only allowed 1,200 watts max.
The antennas weren't pointed vertical, but rather horizontally, to bounce the signals to their destination.
As a former ham, I think the ARRL and all ham operators need to know that the Harpies are trying to put blame for what they're going to do or about to do to the ionosphere on us.
What do you think?
Richard and Glenn Allen, Alaska.
Yes, sir, Reeser, I agree with you.
This guy's one card or two cards short of a full deck.
I don't know where the hell he gets off saying this kind of thing.
It's ridiculous.
Of course, hams transmit globally, but they don't transmit with antennas designed to put narrow bandwidth intense signals into one particular portion of the ionosphere.
So I don't know where this guy's getting off.
This scares me, because if they're really trying to pass the buck, as it were, for what they're about to do, that means they're about to do something serious.
Because they know their life is in danger, and they know they want this thing to come to court.
Well, if they think they're not going to be able to come to court because they've got papers and documents in that House that are going to turn this nation up on its end, the only way that they're going to be able to do it.
Look, the argument about these agencies and your gripes and bitches with them aside for a second, there's no way they can sit and talk about the Federal Reserve or the IRS or anybody else or the fact that they didn't have the money to pay their mortgages and justify what they're doing.
You know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to follow along with that one and see where that's going.
So that's a good appeal.
And, you know, I say I'm sure.
I'm pretty doggone sure we would have the largest signal over that area from probably a dozen radio stations, so they couldn't miss us.
Sure, they're listening.
And I have absolute evidence the FBI and BATF listen.
So I don't think it's going to go on very much longer.
I really don't.
I think there is going to be at some point a dynamic entry if they don't come out.
There has to be.
It just can't go on and on forever.
And I noticed that a lot of the people who are calling non-malicious types are beginning to say, you know, what's the big weight about?
I mean, come on, these guys broke the law.
After a while, it's going to serve as a reverse example.
As the IRS is able to intimidate By busting some big high-profile person and scaring everybody else, so eventually that psychology will overcome the reluctance of the FBI and the ATF to do anything or to do nothing or to wait them out.
I kind of think, why has it in the past, and with this deal, too, has the FBI and the ATF, why have they not captured or apprehended these people, you know, right off the street instead of having to go out and make a big force show of themselves anyway?
On the one hand, you don't want to look like you're running the places, the house, the homes down with the tanks and all the rest of that.
You don't want another waco hanging on your head.
But you also don't want a situation where the American people begin to realize that apparently political power, even in America, does flow from the barrel of a gun.
And I know that the capability is, with the technology today, that any call originating from the state of Montana, especially when you say the FBI listens to your show, they know right now where my call is originating from.
Well, are you honestly so damn paranoid that you think because somebody would call and express their First Amendment right to support the Freeman, if that's what they feel, that the FBI is going to have a car in front of their house?
No way.
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No, no, no.
What I'm saying is people up there want to keep a low profile.
Now, you're trying to explain what otherwise is inexplicable, except with one answer, and that is the people in Montana, for the most part, are scared to death of these guys and don't support them at all.
I mean, the caller was suggesting, in effect, that the only reason people from Montana didn't call on the side of the Freeman is because their call would be traced and there'd be FBI guys in front of their house.
Now, that's a pretty accurate quote.
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Okay.
Now, what do you believe is the reason that they're hold up in Montana?
Okay, so if something, if the majority of the public, and it's pretty obvious that the majority of the public does favor some kind of gun control, if the government was to be more strict with the owning of guns, how would that fit with you?
No, don't confuse gun control with taking guns and holding off the law.
Okay, please.
Art, if it becomes a gun.
That's not an incongruity.
It's a misunderstanding on your part.
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No, let me ask you a question.
If it came to the point that the government said all of a sudden, you know, you cannot have guns anymore and they were going to come and collect them, what would you do?
Well, look, thank you for the call, but you're setting up actually, you are the one with the incongruity.
Supporting the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms does not mean that you are justified in taking those arms and holding off law enforcement people.
What's the matter with you?
The Second Amendment supports your right to have arms, not to use them unlawfully.
Do you know the difference, sir?
It supports your right to have arms for self-defense, not to use them unlawfully, not to go into a 7-Eleven and blow away the owner, not to point the guns at FBI and ATF and start shooting.
That is not what the Second Amendment says.
Go back and read it again.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Yes, hello, Art.
Hello.
Now, listen, I just noticed something on what you were saying about the Freeman of Montana and stuff like that.
Well, one, you just say that you're quite well convinced that those lien drafts and so on like that are in a sense, in essence, fraudulent and well, they're fraudulent in the sense that if you issue a lien and then you write a check against an account that is empty without the lien money having been put in it, you have, sir, written a hot check.
In fact, it was opened by Panama Paul Hatfield, the judge, the federal judge up there at the Norwest Bank, who then turned it over to the Treasury Department.
It no longer then was a certified banker's check, but became a lien draft.
This is the same thing the Federal Reserve is doing, is pulling money out of the air on the full.
Well, I would think an offer like that would be something you could do after they have been apprehended, the charges have been cleared, they've served their time or been set free or whatever, then that would be appropriate.
Right now, they're in violation of law.
They're charged with crimes, and they need to come out and face that one.
You know, they'll have plenty of publicity.
We all know it.
So they need to come out and clear that, and then they can go anywhere they want to.
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That's absolutely true.
And otherwise than that, I didn't mean to come off as being chicken, but that's pretty much the way I feel.
You are a citizen of this country.
Your only responsibility that you are given as a citizen of this country is to obey the laws of the land.
And if you can't do that, I don't think that you have any right to be here.
Well, I appreciate that, and I thank you for the call.
And I will say to everybody, that was the least expected, most amazing outcome of something that I thought was going to be so volatile that it wouldn't be able to be aired.
But what if instead of going in with force, you do the old Gandhi routine and go in there just unarmed, have your shirt off so they know you don't have any weapons on you.
And, you know, if they take 100 or so agents and surround the place and walk in and peacefully arrest them.
Well, I think it would be outrage, but it would be certainly irresponsible.
I mean, if you were an FBI grunt, all right, and your guy said, all right, look, you've got to take off your shirt, give up your gun, strip down to the waist, and head toward that house over there full of armed guys.
Well, and they seem to say that they're such godly people.
You know, that's, you know, I'm just saying, if you took them peacefully and they shot somebody in the course of doing so, would that be following their beliefs?
In fact, there's a significant record, sir, that thank you, that they have threatened local officials' lives, that they have issued warrants for the arrest of people under color of their own, what they call their own common law, that sort of thing.
You know, there's nothing Gandhi-like about them, so I'll be damned if I'd strip down, head toward one of those houses, and get a bullet hole for your trouble.
We'll be right back.
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He somehow seems to be confusing the concept of gun ownership, the constitutional right to bear arms, with the right to use them illegally.
I don't know how you get that confused, but he had it so.
Now, with regard to the chupacabra, it is an animal that was first apparently detected in Puerto Rico, then South America, Central America, Mexico, where it presently is causing havoc.
It attacks its victims, leaves two marks on their neck, and withdraws all the blood of its victim.
It seems to favor sheep.
It's killed many.
But also chickens, other animals, and now some humans.
Reports have begun to come in of chupacabras in the U.S., California, Arizona, Texas, the border states.
The harassment team should be totally armed with non-lethal weapons like rubber bullets, tear gas, anything that's that's non-lethal but could harass them.
The harassment team should probably be in and I would think would be putting armored vehicles.
And it's what they should do is not directly attack any of the housing, anywhere the free men are.
Do not directly attack the housing because the free men are looking for an excuse to, one, either shoot FBI agents or, as people did at Waco, kill the people inside, become martyrs by killing themselves and killing each other inside.
And we don't want that to occur.
So what I suggest is, well, from what I've seen on TV, these guys are riding around on horses and whatnot.
Do things like drive the horses off.
If they have wells outside, disable all their wells, poison them, or not poison them, but put mustard seeds in them, whatever, make them undrinkable.
And every day set off tear gas at some distance.
Like, for instance, start off a mile away.
Get up wind, set off 10 tear gas canisters outside.
Now, you may think that's ineffective, but believe me, at a mile upwind or downwind, you can smell tear gas.
But never, never put any tear gas into the do nothing directly against the compound where they're inhabited.
But believe me, if you set off tear gas every day around those houses and get closer and closer, they will become very, very uncomfortable.
And particularly if you're getting to the point where you could drive around with your armored vehicles and keep them pinned up inside with the tear gas.
And I would even consider high-powered searchlights at night being operated totally during the nighttime hours to completely illuminate the area so that they would not have any way, unless they could cover their windows, they couldn't go to sleep because the lights would be penetrating their quarters.
I'm glad that I don't have to make the decision about what has to be done about the Freeman.
There's a hell of a lot hanging on this, unfortunately.
And it seems to me that law enforcement should be able to simply demand they come out, as they would in any other situation.
But this is politically charged.
Memories of Waco and Ruby Ridge linger.
The government is afraid, and with some cause, there's a lot of militia groups out there and fringe groups that are ready to come rush to the assistance of these people.
And nobody in their right mind wants a war.
But on the other hand, you just can't allow it to go on forever.
You cannot allow people to flaunt the law at the point of a gun in the threat of deadly violence, or else that's going to be the way it's going to be.
And anybody with a gripe, bitch, or whatever against the government or against their bank because their mortgage is come due because they haven't been making payments, anybody is going to do that.
I mean, it's going to become the thing to do.
And they can't let this, you remember when George Bush said this will not stand?
Well, this cannot stand either.
But I'm sure glad I'm not the person trying to make a decision about when it's going to end.
Well, I didn't say you did, but there's a lot of callers that call in.
You know, I'm sitting here sort of looking at CNN.
They got a big bang on democracy in America and all this.
And one of the things about democracy that people don't understand is that it's unstable and it's a dangerous that that has tended to destroy any society that adopted it.
Well, fortunately, that's just a mistake of the media, and they use the word, but really we're not a democracy.
We are a representative republic.
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Well, I don't think it's a mistake.
You know, these self-styled liberals like Clinton, Feinstein, they use words to sort of manipulate the public's mindset.
And when you get into that, when people start believing that this is a democracy, well, they're going to end up with everything that a democracy brings.
And if people are given the mistaken impression that this is some sort of pure democracy, which it is not, then eventually, as the caller points out, it'll bring the problems that would be attendant with a real democracy, which basically is sort of anarchistic.
And if you think we're in the process of voting large S to ourselves now, try and imagine what would occur in a pure democracy.
One is I wish people, if they want to change the Constitution, would follow the methods prescribed by the Constitution instead of just trying to throw it aside.
Yes.
But since the FBI, my second point is that, since Empire listening, I think the best solution regarding the freemen in Montana is to just declare all these people under house arrest, roll the barbed wire around it, start billing cement, and just let them be.
Well, I really had thought of the same thing, and I recommended the same thing in Waco, that you literally make it a prison, roll the barbed wire around, as you suggest, and wait them out.
You wouldn't need a big crew.
It wouldn't cost the taxpayers a lot of money.
You just wait them out.
They're going to run out of food.
They're going to run out of willpower.
They're going to run out of no cable TV, no telephone, no electricity, probably no water.
You need electricity to pump water.
So, you know, there's a lot of ways this could be done.
I don't know what they're doing.
Probably they are doing a lot of that, but you're right.
I mean, put a big fence around place and say that's it, house arrest.
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No one will get injured, and we don't even have to starve them out.
You know, why put them in a federal prison that's crammed full anyway?
If not, well, we'll just set, you know, the Okay, I listen, I think you're on the right track, sir.
Thank you.
But not quite.
You could do that, but the goal would be to have them come out and face the charges, the legitimate charges that are made against them.
That would be the goal.
So the punishment, as a matter of fact, you would, in effect, tell them, look, you are, in effect, under house arrest until you come out and face the charges.
And so, in effect, you're in prison now, and you will face an additional sentence when you come out.
So, every minute you spend in there is not going to count toward what your eventual sentence will or will not be.
That might be an effective way to operate, but whatever it is we decide they decide, it's got to be headed toward an eventual conclusion that is no different than the one you and I would face.
If we were accused of crime, you know damn well they would come, they'd knock with a warrant, assuming that we don't hold them off with guns, they'd knock with a warrant, and we would have to go face the charges, right?
Get a lawyer, face the charges.
And that has got to be the outcome here.
Otherwise, the message that goes out is you can threaten law enforcement people, you can point guns, and you can get your way, and that cannot be allowed to stand, period.
Well, you know, somebody asked a question about that chupacabra and why, particularly goat blood or sheep blood.
Yes.
And it just came to me that it would be, I wonder if it goes back to even when they used to use goats and sheep for sacrificial purposes, yeah, back in that time.
And if chupacabra was just something that might have had to escape from a demonic realm, that maybe it was just something that Satan is kind of like using or actually just let loose only as a prelude to something else that might be coming.
You know, because although, you know, biblically, God had, like, cast a lot of angels into the outer darkness and cast another bunch of angels and locked them up and chained them.
Still, there has to be those few that might just wander back here because this is all they knew.
See, all we need is a bunch of tanks to show up in the military and flatten the place, as he said, and that is going to be the beginning of a civil war, and that's exactly what they're concerned with, and I don't blame them.
What to do, or what to do with the Freemen?
It's got to be handled, and soon, or the wrong message is going to go out to those who would copy what the Freemen are doing.
But it can't be a military kind of assault, or it's just going to feed the people that are ready to start you-know-what anyway.
So I'm glad I'm not the person making that decision.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
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Good morning, Art.
This is God.
And I've got a little message for you.
Because I'm God, I ask you to help me with the Freeman problem.
Everybody leaves, and you send a message over to them saying that the New World Order government has landed in Billings, and they are needed to support their country.
Okay, and also about there's a disease that the veterans have that have come over from Desert Storm that have come home that are bringing it to their families.
Being from Oklahoma City and the bombing, some of the stories were that the FBI and ATF, and there was one man on that top floor in the building, and the whole seventh floor was cleared out before the bomb went off.
And the American people are paranoid, yes, but there are many reasons and evidence of the- Oh, no, look, yeah, nobody, thank you.
Now, does our government mix itself up in things it ought not to be mixed up in?
Carry sting operations too far?
Even at times itself do things that are not legal?
Yeah, they do.
But by and large, the average citizen does not, on a daily basis, have to sit and tremble at the prospect of the guys in suits descending on them to do them harm.
It is the great exception, not the rule.
And to listen to some people, it is the rule.
You can't speak up.
You can't say anything, and the feds are going to get you.
Well, no, they're not.
No, they're not.
And this talk show proves it night after night after night.
I mean, if we wanted to get really nasty, we'd just have the Air Force fly over and drop a fuel air explosive over it and just flatten the whole place.
Bullshit.
This at least would give them an opportunity to come out.
I don't agree with the Freeman, and I don't think it matters whether people agree or disagree.
I think if they could try to reach the Freeman on a sort of human-to-human basis and just say, look, you're a human being, why don't you save your unlike walk out?
Well, they have tried that, and they offered to drop state charges.
They offered all kinds of things, and even Bo Greites went in, talked to him.
Bo came out and said, these people are not going to give up.
Well, it's going to end badly.
A lot of their psychology is similar to that at Waco, the Armageddon thing.
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I understand that, but sometimes people do change under stressful conditions like they're existing under.
And what I'm suggesting is that, like, people call your program, suggesting that they come out to save their lives instead of these rather, you know, juvenile comments, which I agree are frequently funny.
The thing that's got me, I think, more upset and angry this morning than anything else is this total twit of a representative of the HARP project who said that ham radio operators are violating the ionosphere with their transmissions worldwide.
And to even begin to suggest that the radiation in the manner radiated from amateur radio operators to the ionosphere is the same thing as a focused, narrow beam intended to actually heat the ionosphere in a single point, at a single point, with a billion watts ultimately, to compare that to ham radio operators is one of the most ludicrous,
stupid arguments I've ever heard in my whole life.
And frankly, it really makes me suspicious of what they're going to do with HAARP.
If I wasn't before, I damn sure am now.
Amateur radio operators.
What's the matter with those people?
Looks to me like angels indeed do not play that harp.
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
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Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AF, from the 15th of May, 1996.
One was on the smoking for the lady that just was talking about that.
I found a real interesting way to do that.
And that is quitting smoking, half of it is psychological.
You know, you get over the withdrawals from the nicotine after like, you know, three days or so.
What I found was that if I leave the cigarettes in the house, and I actually would smoke one, but I would only inhale it.
I wouldn't inhale it.
I would put it into my mouth, take a deep breath through my nose, and just blow it out of my mouth.
And I found that by keeping it around the house and doing that when I really had to have one, it took all the withdrawals away from me to where after three weeks I was able to quit.
Well, I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish I could do it.
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It's real easy.
All you got to do is just remember the most important thing is no matter how attempted you are, don't inhale.
The most psychological thing for me was that if I eliminated cigarettes and took myself away from everybody that smoked, then when I came back around that, I had to have it.
And I, you know, I quit for a couple years even, once.
Well, now, what if these things, they're like walking syringes, okay?
Basically, if they've got a mouth, they've also got to have a digestive system.
So they must be having some kind of a bladder to hold all this blood they're sucking up.
Yep.
Okay.
What if they're like bees almost and they're taking it back to the queen, whatever it is?
Okay.
And if somebody wanted to find where, you know, and be able to trap one of these, maybe if they got together with somebody that was, you know, dealt with like insects, where they're dealt with a queen and they kind of plot out where these things are and where they're going.
Maybe they can find a general area where they're taking all this blood back to something.
Well, why should we assume that Christianity ends?
You know, we always assume that high-tech, advanced cultures will somehow be highly evolved philosophically, you know, that they will have some highly evolved spiritual religion.
But why should we assume that?
We're technically advanced and we are just a teeny bit away from animal and human sacrifice ourselves in our religion.
I just don't see how he can make the transition because he's just too much a part of the Washington inside.
But about Clinton, you know, I've never been a very strong Clinton supporter, but I disagree that he is dangerous to us because even though he is sexually impulsive, he has a classical mind.
And we have never been safer as far as foreign policy is concerned than with Clinton and Gore.
They have classical, trained minds.
And I can't imagine what you're using as evidence for this argument that we're in some sort of danger because we have Clinton and Dole in office.
But, Elizabeth, that's like saying if you were going to build a house, you'd rather have somebody who has never put a nail into a board but thought about it a lot come and build your house instead of a carpenter who's been doing it all his life.
Well, when someone is making geopolitical decisions that affect our very being, our safety, I would rather have someone who has the depth of an historian, who has a classically trained intellect to make those decisions.
And on top of that, you have to realize that Clinton has superb military advisors around him.
He has not yet made any arguable gigantic mistakes.
Yeah, trouble in Somalia.
Handled Haiti, got away with that one pretty well, handled Korea, and at best put that off.
So that much is true.
But I'll tell you something.
If it ever comes down to a really serious life and death decision, I would much, much, much rather have Bob Dole in office than I would Bill Clinton.
And I still say to this day, if a really serious decision has ever required life and death for this country, God help our souls, if Bill Clinton is the one making it.
So that they might know, I just put a message in the chat room on AOL saying, AOL is going to have to act to prevent what's going on in there right now, or I will not be back.
Yeah, you know, these people want to go out and hunt this chupacabra or want to protect themselves from it, and they think they can go out there and blast them away with their high-powered rifle or shoot them with pepper spray.
What I said is, why don't you start now and spew a little chupacabra repellent?
In other words, tell the truth.
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Well, the truth is that people believe anything, but you've got to look a little deeper, and when you consider they haven't even trapped one, it's pretty hard to get all excited about them.
Just like those Bigfoots, they haven't even got a femur bone on it.
But in the case of chupacabra, they have all these dead animals.
Now, what do you think is killing them?
I mean, is it lies that are killing them or what?
So this guy imagines probably that David Rockefeller and the Rockefellers in general and probably the various commissions and the Federal Reserve and all that is responsible for the chupacabra and everything else.
I think I have the perfect answer for this Freeman situation.
Yes.
And that is, sometimes things are much simpler than we realize.
If we were to design the perfect jail for these people, it would be a jail where they would do their own laundry, cook their own food, and guard themselves with their own guns.
So I recommend that we simply tell them that if they come out of there, we'll really throw the book at them.
But aside from that, if they'll stay in there for five years, we'll call it a wash.
So everybody then would know they can go out and break the law, write hot checks, and the worst that's going to happen is they're going to, in effect, suffer house arrest, have to stay in their house.
I don't think that's a proper solution.
Look, whatever it is that we end up doing with regard to the Freemen, they have got to be brought to justice.
That's the name of that tune.
To the same justice that you would face and or I would face if I broke the law.
The court system presently in existence.
Now, if they want to bring their common law arguments and their arguments in general into a regular courtroom, let them do it.
But they've got to be brought to that, and any other solution is going to be a detriment to all of society.
Really, I think this thing, uh, if it is, if it does exist, as they say, it it got to be, have some type of intelligence to to move from place to place, like it's moving, and avoid the, avoid the.
Well, if it look, if it can move uh, with the ease they say it can move, and the speed fifty, sixty miles an hour or faster, and it can fly, then it's understandable that it has not yet been caught by anybody.
Yeah anyway, they're laying traps for it all over the place down in Mexico, so we may soon uh, have an example of one, or they may catch one, or they may find something else that is doing this.
I know of no animal, do you that, in effect, is a vampire.
There are vampire bats, but there are not vampires that literally suck all the blood from their victims.
Hey Lou yeah, I heard on a newscast today that that the Hayward Fault is showing a lot of shadowing, which is a they they, they say that the, they say the Hayward fault sir, has gone from slipping very slowly to literally their words lunging.
So the Hayward fault may be about to let go.
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Well, that sounds crazy.
They'll send away for the earthquake.
Now I have one thing to say about Bob Golem yes, and that is that I read, read in the paper that that Bob Gole has taken on the campaign advisors of Ronald Reagan and stuff like that, and that would explain his sudden you know, I guess you say charisma that he's come across in the past.
Well, you know the best way uh, to test that is in a courtroom.
unidentified
Yeah yeah um, I've, I've been watching the news and the talk shows and stuff and I heard little bits of what they believe in.
Yes, and then I went and got a hold of the Declaration Of Independence and the Constitution and a constitutional law and I looked up their beliefs and I still haven't found anything that they've actually done wrong.
Now they, they set up their own bank oh, and then they well, in other words look, if I set up my own bank, all right.
And I, I wrote a lien against some state senator or senator I didn't like, or something like that.
And you, and wait a minute, let me finish and and you came over to my house and you did a bunch of work for me and I paid you with this check and you took it to your bank and they laughed at you and said, there's no money to pay you out of this.
Now, w?
Would you feel that I did something wrong to you?
unidentified
Yeah I, I'm not saying that they did do something wrong.