Art Bell dissects North Korea’s nuclear stalling tactics under Jimmy Carter, questioning concessions while Clinton ignores Senate resolutions on Korea. He weighs Paula Jones’s 1991 harassment claims against Clinton—corroborated but dismissed as politically driven—while debating O.J. Simpson’s damning evidence, including blood matches and a jogger’s sighting. Callers speculate setups, media bias, and foreign policy parallels, like Vince Foster’s death overshadowed by celebrity scandals. Bell also reacts to Reno’s 36-hour disappearance of Mellon Stafford, an Asian child, comparing it to unsolved kidnappings, and warns of public outrage if foul play is confirmed. The episode underscores how leadership credibility hinges on character, not just policy, amid deepening distrust in institutions. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be and welcome to another edition of Coast to Coast a.m. p.m. That first hour in all these time zones.
Glad to be with you as the smell of Ben Gay wafts through the desert night air.
Got him, I haven't seen a one.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast Coast AM P.M., A.M., whatever it is.
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Hello.
Lots and lots of news to talk about, and we'll get to all that.
The latest is the North Korean president, Kim Il-sung, has told Jimmy Carter that nuclear inspectors may stay.
If that is, we are willing to open high-level talks about future relations with North Korea.
Mr. Carter didn't exactly say peace in our time, but close said that it was very important, very positive.
He's given me assurance that as long as this good faith effort is going on between the U.S. and North Korea, the inspectors will stay on site and the equipment will stay in place.
He said Korea wants to get rid of their current reactors in favor of Western designs, and of course they want financial assistance as well.
They also want, a lot of wants here, full diplomatic recognition and economic ties with America.
President Clinton, uncharacteristically, was cautious, and it is well that he would be.
I guess I do want to ask all of you, do you think this is just another peace in our time?
Really, it is.
It's another Neville Chamberlain all over again as far as I'm concerned.
Korea's not giving up their nukes.
Who are they kidding?
They're stalling for time.
They've done this right along, and Jimmy Carter is going to buy right into it.
He's going to buy right into it.
You know, what gets me about this, too, is check me if I'm wrong here, but don't we have a Secretary of State?
Isn't his name Warren Christopher?
Shouldn't he be over there talking to President Kim?
Kim Il-sung, shouldn't he be talking to the president of North Korea?
Isn't that the job of the Secretary of State of the United States?
Not some ex-president peanut farmer?
So what's Jimmy Carter doing over there?
And our Secretary of State's going doing interviews with McNeil Lear, basically explaining what he doesn't have in the way of contacts with North Korea.
Jimmy Carter's over there doing it.
Meanwhile, the U.S. Senate passed a non-binding resolution 93-3 yesterday, which tells the president to beef up U.S. forces in Korea.
Our president met with his military advisors, national security advisors, a good part of the day talking about Korea.
Isn't announcing any beef up in Korea at all.
So, A, what do you think is going on here?
Is it another piece in our time ploy?
Or could this be the real thing?
And where is our Secretary of State?
President Clinton continues, he says, to press for sanctions with Korea.
O.J. Simpson, big story.
Big story.
Nicole Simpson, Ronald Goldman were buried today.
And there is some news.
The Los Angeles Times is reporting that a jogger by Nicole Simpson's residence saw a car just like the car that OJ has parked in front of Nicole's house at about the time of the murder.
Then there was a lot of information, including on Primetime Live and all the newscasts, about the previous Battery Police report in which OJ threatened to kill Nicole and did, in fact, beat her to a fairly well.
In it, in the report, he is quoted as saying, I will kill you.
The blood type found at the scene of the murder matches OJ's blood.
There were scratches on his body.
Now, that doesn't mean it was OJ.
Millions of Americans have the same type of blood, but it was not the type of blood of Nicole or Ronald Goldman.
So it is the blood type of the murderer.
That doesn't mean, of course, it's OJ's.
They will have to do tests that will take as maybe even months to get the genetic evidence, which will be available.
And I suppose if it is his blood, why that'll wrap it up?
The big question asked by everybody, is he being treated fairly by the media?
Or is the media convicting him?
Or is the evidence being leaked by the press and reported by the media convicting him in the mind of the public?
Do you think he is guilty?
Does it look troubling, bad, or very bad for O.J. Simpson?
How do you feel about that?
The evidence certainly is heavily stacking against him.
And that's going to be some trial if he is arrested.
They say now he's days from arrest.
An embarrassing incident for the White House.
No, this is not the Paula Jones story.
That's coming next.
During the D-Day celebration, White House staffers and our president got to spend the night on board the USS George Washington.
Now, that's pretty neat, I guess.
You know, if you get fly from the United States, you get to stay on board a big U.S. Capitol ship.
Some of the staff took a few souvenirs while they were strolling about the decks of the Washington.
The president's attorney has labeled, on the part of the president, these charges made by Paula Jones as vicious and mean-spirited.
It was the first network interview of Paula Jones.
And Sam Donaldson asked some pretty tough questions.
Are you trying to get the president?
He asked.
And she seemed rather innocent, rather honest to me, small-town gal-type personality, said that on May 8th of 1991 at a hotel in Arkansas, state trooper Ferguson handed her a note, said, Bill Clinton would like to see you in his room.
Unfortunately, she didn't save the note.
However, a co-worker at that hotel now backs her up.
Prime time got hold of a co-worker who said yes.
Ferguson handed her a note.
She saw it.
She read it.
She knew what the contents were.
So there is now a witness to what Paula Jones says, corroborating what she says with regard to the note from the trooper.
Well, anyway, kind of goes downhill from there.
She did go up to his room.
Well, I mean, he was the governor, right?
What are you going to tell the governor?
No.
I'm going to stay here at the desk.
No, I don't want to meet with him.
She's a state worker.
Sure, of course she's going to go up.
And she did.
Said there was a little small talk.
And then, according to Sam Donaldson, the president made his move.
Well, excuse me, then, Governor.
She said, he pulled me over, put his hand up my leg.
A claimed claimed he knew her boss.
Now, see, that would make it sexual harassment.
As you're making this approach, if you tell somebody who works for the state that you know their boss, the clear implication is, hey, I'm the chief executive of the state.
I know your boss.
I better let my hand go where you want it to go, where I want it to go.
She then claims he exposed himself and asked for a sex act, an oral sex act.
Anyway, she said she refused, said that she fended him off, said, I'm not that kind of girl.
She said his face became beet red.
And he said, well, now, realizing he wasn't going to get anywhere, allegedly, and said, you're a smart gal.
Let's keep this among ourselves, shall we?
Well, at any rate, what she did was immediately she told three or four others, including co-workers, her fiancé, her family.
She told just about everybody.
I'll tell you one thing: if Bill Clinton did pick this gal, he picked the wrong one because she had a mouth.
She told everybody in sight.
She, however, has taken a lie detector test, and she wants Bill Clinton to take a lie detector test.
She says, Look, all I want is an apology, a public apology.
Sam Donaldson said, Well, then, why are you surrounding yourself with all of Bill Clinton's enemies?
And her answer was a pretty good one.
She said, Well, no, Democrats will help me.
I want to clear my name.
Well, then, why are you asking for $700,000 in cash?
She said, Well, if there's any money left after the lawyers, we're going to give it to charity.
Sam said, Well, what about the television and the movies?
And she said, Well, if there's any money left from that, we'll give that to charity too.
All she wants to do is correct, she says, her good name.
By the way, Sam asked her who she voted for, and she said, George Bush.
Matter of fact, I never, I didn't even, you know what she said?
She said, I didn't even know what a conservative was.
She wasn't even into politics, but she did go and register to vote.
First time in her life, she voted against Bill Clinton and for George Bush.
She said, Look, all I wanted was an apology.
Instead, he called me pathetic.
So that's about the way the prime time interview with Paula Jones went.
They are still trying to determine if a president, a sitting president, can be sued or whether, for the good of the country, it should wait until he's out of office.
That issue aside, do you think the president ought to have to take a lie detector test?
And if he fails, should he have to apologize to Paula Jones?
This is with regard to guns, and it's very interesting.
It's entitled, Georgia Medical Journal Sets Records Straight on Gun Deaths.
Now, listen to this.
Unlike the fanciful assertion in the New England Journal of Medicine that a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder, Dr. Edgar Souter's critical analysis in the March Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia got little press.
Souter, after all, is merely a thoughtful scientist sifting patiently through the evidence, not a crusader fiddling the data to get the right result.
The 43 times more likely factoid, the work of A.L. Kellerman, was reported in 1986.
Kellerman subsequently shaved the figure.
Writing in NEJM again last year, he said gun owners were merely 2.7 times more likely to kill a family member, not 43.
Kellerman and his co-authors have persisted in their discredited methodology, he says.
Both case studies and control groups in this latest study were socially and demographically unrepresentative of the areas studied or of the nation as a whole, a pitfall to which Kellerman seems habitually oblivious.
In 1988, a study also appearing in the same publication, he and his associates claimed shooting deaths, you remember this one, folks?
Shooting deaths in Seattle and Vancouver in an effort to show that Canada's strict gun ban discouraged gun violence.
Yet, Vancouver's homicides increased 26% after the gun ban.
What?
Vancouver's homicides increased 26% after the gun ban, an embarrassment disregarded in the Kellerman study.
Also ignored were significant demographic distinctions.
At the time, Seattle was 12.1% black and Hispanic, while Vancouver was 0.8% black and Hispanic.
These Seattle minorities had astronomical homicide rates, 36.6 per 100,000 for blacks, 26.9 for Hispanics.
Except for blacks and Hispanics, the homicide rate was actually lower in Seattle than Vancouver.
And I just could not resist but to read all that to you.
So, I don't know.
What do you want?
Do you want the hype?
And there's certainly plenty of that, or do you want the truth?
This, to me, has the ring of truth.
And that would seem to say best way to get an increase in crime in a community is to ban guns.
Well, all right.
We'll break here at the bottom of the hour, and I've got just one more item or so.
I've also got just a few seconds over 30 minutes to be 48 years old.
My wife put my birthday present on the table here, and I'm not going to open it for another 24 minutes, but I'm sitting here wondering.
It's a green box.
Secondhand smoke.
The AMA has endorsed a controversial government report that blames secondhand tobacco smoke for 3,000 cancer deaths a year.
Now, this is very important because, of course, secondhand smoke is that which allows the severe legislation smokers now must bear because, of course, of the theory that, why, they're not just doing it to themselves, they're doing it to others.
And so the question is, do you believe the report, this terribly damaging secondhand smoke report?
So, okay, there it is.
Lots to talk about.
If you would like to join us, pick up a telephone.
But anyway, nobody wanted to talk about the welfare, and I wanted to go ahead and do that.
All right.
I know firsthand I'm kind of an expert.
I was in the game program, and I'm still currently on welfare, but I am now on the way of getting off.
And my suggestion, or my opinion, anyway, is that no one who doesn't want to get off welfare isn't going to, like, the game program is not going to help anybody unless they want it to help them.
Actually, I would like to know, what did they attempt to do for you?
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What kind of classes did you go through or what?
What they did was try to teach you how to make a resume.
If you didn't have your GED or high school diploma to get you to do that, I mean, it was okay, but for people, I mean, I had a lot of people in that class, and for people who just didn't care to even be there, they force you to go.
And people who don't even care to be there just it doesn't work for them.
And I don't think anybody's going to be motivated to get off welfare unless they want to do it.
So I think altogether, the two-year thing and then cut off is a good idea.
I mean, even coming from somebody who's on welfare.
Did you believe the kind of shy, I'm hurt, my reputation has been damaged, country girl Paula Corbin-Jones?
Or do you think it was a big act that she's really in tight and chummy with the right-wingers that are shepherding her through the nasty hallways and passageways of the American media?
Which Paula Corbin-Jones do you think is the real one?
as far as korea goes i think this is part of their stalling plan i don't think that this is it is not peace in our time No, well, and I don't really think it had anything to do with Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter either.
I think this is part of their plan that they may not be exactly ready with whatever their ultimate plan is, and they're just trying to hold off the international community.
Well, I'm not saying the peanut guy is not a bright fellow.
I suppose he is, but I rather just don't believe that he could go over and just charm the socks right off Kim L. Sung, and sure, you can keep your inspectors here.
This is something Kim L. Sung is doing.
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Right.
And I have the same question like you did.
Why is he over there and not our Secretary of State?
And the other thing with this gain program, you know, this is another typical liberal policy that they're going to take care of everybody, putting everybody on the public dole.
Seven Minutes Limit00:07:14
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You know, and like the statistics you're giving, it's not effective.
Why are we going to add that much to the deficit and not really get any results?
They want to add roughly a third to the overall welfare budget, claiming that it will, in the end, mean fewer people on welfare, when in fact it'll mean more people on welfare and the bureaucracy administering welfare will grow.
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Right.
Well, if people would bring it down to a more personal level and try to look at your own personal household budget, if somebody offered you a proposition like that, you'd boot them right out your door.
I witness to the truth of being able to call in, but what you don't tell is what happens to you when Art guesses what you might be going to say and pushes the goodbye button before you have a chance to say anything.
Well, once in a while, since that lady called in and complained about you cutting Leonard off before he ever gets to his point, I started keeping track of the times you cut me off long before the three-minute limit or before I get to the point.
I guess they have to smoke, as you say, a hell of a lot, or maybe some people, I've known a few people, actually, heard of a few people, I guess I ought to say, who have contracted lung cancer and they didn't smoke cigarettes.
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Well, absolutely.
There's chemical burns of people who work in chemical factories for crying out loud.
Well, the secondhand smoke, I'm not a hell of a big smoker.
I probably, I'd be stretching it to say I smoke about eight cigarettes a day.
It's probably more like six.
But for someone around secondhand smoke, they'd have to be doing some massive inhaling of a group of smokers on a daily basis.
Well, I don't believe it either, but that's my whole point.
You'd have to kind of hook them up to the exhaust of a car, for Pete's sake.
You know, it makes me so damn mad every time I hear the freaks from the left and the creeps out of Washington trying to put all kinds of controls on people who go about their business, just minding their own business.
We've got HIV-positive people serving in our restaurants.
We've got dentists, HIV-positive, doing teeth.
Health care workers, HIV-positive.
We've got strep that literally eats you bloody alive.
There's TB on the rise, and some freak in Washington's worried about some secondhand smoke.
I had a birthday cake and blew out all the candles, opened my president, my present, my president.
Only, only they could wrap one up and I could open them for my 49th.
But alas, no, it was a great present, though.
It was a cannon.
I got a Canon 35 millimeter camera.
Really neat with a flash and everything.
Now, here's the facts.
Dear Art, I will be 22 years older than you in less than one minute.
I wonder, so somebody was saying birthday, I guess, I wonder what this world will be like when you get to be my age.
Happy birthday to both of us.
It's from Robbie Lindsay, I think that's correct, in Nevada City, California.
P.S., I believe Paula is telling the truth.
Well, yeah, I kind of got this.
I felt the same way about it.
Then there's this.
Dear Art Bell, of course, this is a referring to Korea.
Of course, this is a stalling plan by North Korea.
How can an ex-president peanut farmer arrive in North Korea and in a day they've agreed to do something which our current government has not been able to get them to do in weeks?
I find it hard to believe that Jimmy Carter could possibly have anything to offer them in exchange for their cooperation.
He is not our president and has no powers.
I'm sure the North Koreans are as able as we Americans to see that Jimmy Carter is a sucker and would probably go for anything which the North Koreans could possibly offer.
Interesting, that's Dan in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
All right, first-time callers, area code 702-727-1222.
Wildcard line callers, area code 702-727-1295-1295.
Of course, the Paula Corbyn story was told this last evening, just an hour and something ago here on the West Coast, on Primetime Live.
And she got to tell her story, and I would like your impressions of Miss Jones.
Really, until now, nobody's been able to render an opinion about Ms. Jones because we haven't seen her.
This was the first comprehensive, sit-down kind of interview that's been done since the accusation, other than the pictures of her standing at the podium with the conservatives when she announced all this.
So really, this was the first look at Ms. Jones.
She is now going to make the talk show circuit, and you'll be seeing her all over the place.
Yes, in the new crime bill, there is one provision which instructs our officials to hire as many or to report back and tell them how many we have been able to hire from that force.
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Why do you suppose that the federal government wants to hire the Hong Kong police?
I don't think I have the dire view of it that everybody does, but I understand what they're worried about.
Well, you couldn't call on American GIs to mow down American citizens.
You might have to have a force like the cops from Hong Kong with semi-automatic weapons who wouldn't give a whit about American citizens, and at the very issuance of an order would begin to pull the trigger.
It would depend, wouldn't it, on the severity of the incident.
In other words, if, as she charged, he pulled his pants down, ran his hand up her leg, mentioned that he knew her boss, all the rest of this, if it would be true, then I wouldn't think that would have to happen more than just the one time to be considered sexual harassment.
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Well, the thing about that, I'm also in law enforcement here, too, in the Blue Springs area, and that falls under the realms of sexual assault.
If you notice the difference between her incident and what happened with Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas, supposedly Clarence Thomas' incidents happened numerous times, which made her charges more valid.
However, I do look at everything as it comes along, not necessarily judging it from a political point of view, but I try to judge things for what they are.
And if they happen to bolster a conservative point of view, which more times than not they do, which is why I'm a conservative, then fine.
If they don't, then I'm willing to look at them in whatever light they really are in.
I will do that.
I will look at things straight on, or I try to, and I think that is my job.
And I heard tonight on the news that when they were talking about the police department down in Los Angeles, they said the World Police when they were doing the O.J. Simpson news.
And the other thing was, was that I heard something to the effect that they were going to discontinue the ICC, the that's true, the Interstate Commerce Commission, yes.
But the thing is, it's kind of scary that they're cutting out trains, and there's trains going into concert into military bases that have UN troops in them now.
And it's kind of like, you know, all this stuff is happening.
So there is a lot of money that goes for cancer, but I think there may be, if you look at the number of deaths, you can argue there is a disproportionate amount of money going for AIDS.
If they would stop the people from doing the behavior that causes AIDS.
And there's another little thing I just heard this evening.
I watch NET on a satellite.
Right.
And They said this evening that the equivalent of the governor of Iwo Jima has a full-page advertisement in the paper in Washington telling the United States to get out of Iwo Jima.
Really?
We've ruined their island and they want our all of us out of there and they say we did a terrible thing.
We ruined their very old trees when we built there and we took property away from the Iwo Jimans.
And they don't seem to remember that we were at war.
As a matter of fact, we are going to protect almost all of Asia, save China, of course, from North Korea.
How do you look at what Jimmy Carter is doing?
Is it another piece in our time, another Neville Chamberlain sort of thing?
I don't believe it, folks.
I'm telling you right now.
The North Koreans know exactly what they're doing.
Jimmy Carter, unless the North Koreans wanted to do what they're doing, couldn't get anywhere at all.
So obviously they've some agenda in mind.
And I think it's to stall.
I mean, they're setting all this up.
They're saying we're pulling out of the international inspection regime.
We're kicking out your inspectors.
We're having the equipment removed.
Jimmy Carter goes over there, and now all of a sudden they're willing to change that on the condition that we do what we said we wouldn't do, which was to talk about full relations and financial aid and new reactors for them and all the rest of this sort of thing.
They didn't say anything about stopping their nuclear program.
They just said, well, we'll return these things to you if you do the following.
So, you know, I mean, think about the deal we're being offered here.
On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
Towels From Paris00:02:46
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Yeah, I want to talk about the whole thing with the towels.
And what we had here was the Rose Festival just recently.
And they brought in the Navy and the Canadian Naval Fleet.
Black Helicopters Mystery00:04:23
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There is, I'm not, I don't have my, I don't have access to a fax number one, and I don't know how good it would do with like IR-colored like photography over a fax line.
But we've got pictures of a UN, like a troop loading troop.
The black ones are old news out here because it seems I live right up on a ridge line in southwest Portland, and we get them coming in from the east and also from the south daily.
Flying through the air, and I'm used to seeing like normal military-coated olive drab green and different kinds of camouflage print, but flat black choppers just blew me away.
I mean, flat black is, have you ever thought about it?
It's great at night.
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It's great at night, but also there's one intelligence report that came out from McMinnville.
We don't know if it's disinformation or not by the Evergreen International Aviation, but somebody sent a report up saying that that flat, the black choppers themselves were painted with the same stuff that they use on the stealth fighters and bombers.
The more stealthy you can make any aircraft that is a military aircraft, the better it is.
If flat black is better than camouflage typical camouflage green, then I don't understand what the big deal is here.
Honest to God, I don't understand what the big deal is here.
Black helicopters, they probably are very stealthy at night.
Maybe the paint does have some stealth stealth characteristics with regard to radar.
I don't know.
But I don't know.
I guess I feel like so what?
Now, if we begin to get reports of black helicopters strafing suburban neighborhoods, mowing down moms and dads and kids on tricycles, or anybody else for that matter, it'd be an entirely different situation.
But flying around with a black color is not all that together menacing to me.
Well, she gave me more that impression than that of a hustler of some kind who wanted money or, you know, I think she really did give me the impression she wanted her good name back.
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Exactly.
I mean, that honorable American thing, you know, that the only thing that truly matters is your honor.
Anyway, I'm thinking that this stuff about O.J. Simpson, with all this stuff coming up so quickly, just seems to me that more than half of it is setup stuff, you know?
you you're not open-minded at all about it and you know it i'm i'm not open-minded because i don't have a in total of a couple of people on the table i don't have any reason to change my mind I guess I would say until somebody puts some proof on the table, how come you've made up your mind?
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All the proof on the table is against it, you understand?
They've got a picture of the, according to what Richard Hoagland says, and you can check it out by listening again tomorrow morning, they've got a picture of the building itself.
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He has another show on, so he can't hear the repeat.
I'm sorry, but he says he's got a picture of the building with detail down to the windows, and he's able to actually look through the structure.
He says he's got a picture of that.
I haven't seen it.
And again, I say to you, sir, you are the one, in my estimation, with the closed mind, in the sense that you have made up your mind without a presentation of evidence.
You have your very closed mind about any other point of view, and you don't listen to new evidence because your mind is already made up.
I really truly don't suffer that disability as I look at these issues.
Hey, you know, just to move on here, you know, I more or less have a libertarian leaning.
I would like for us to get back to the Jeffersonian democracy where we leave each other alone and unless we're violating life, limb, and property of another individual.
Well, the trouble is, though, that until the party is able to solidify on perhaps a little more mainstream than it is right now, it's not going to ever be a significant party in terms of giving a serious challenge to the Democrats or the Republicans.
And the shame of it is it could be.
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Yeah, well, I think, you know, usually anything intellectual as far as packaging up political products starts with the intellectual group, and then it filters down to the masses.
So I think it's only a matter of time.
You know, most libertarians and the ones with the little L just want their liberty and freedom back.
They're more concerned about this country than all the big intellectual libertarian ideals coming out of Cato or Reason.
They just want to be left alone, and that's me.
And like the smokers, for example, I don't smoke cigarettes.
I don't drink alcohol.
Occasionally I do smoke marijuana, but it's an individual choice.
And, you know, it's hell what these smokers are going through.
You know, John Stuart Mills said back in 1859, Art, that the individual, not the state, is sovereign over their mind and body.
And also, I'd like to tell our politicians there's another quote that, quote, liberty is the only thing you cannot have unless you're willing to give it to others.
So I'm more or less I take a tolerant type of leaning.
You know, the government can't be church, and we shouldn't get our morals from them.
We should get it from ourselves.
And it's not utopia down here, and freedom has its rough edges, but man, give me freedom and liberty any day.
Well, I guess I, again, have some sort of middle view because I think with respect to cigarettes, which are a legal commodity, perhaps somewhat deadly, but legal, and marijuana, which is probably not as harmful as the drug people make it out to be and probably ought to be decriminalized.
But then that's where I stop.
And the harder drugs, to me, are truly dangerous both to the individuals that use them and to society at large.
So dangerous that I think that our government properly does legislate against their possession.
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Well, I'll just say this.
You know, I studied the, before 1914, when they put in the Harrison Narcotic Act, drugs were legal.
Your great-grandfather art could go and buy a whole jigger full of opium and officials.
That was a good call, and I disagree with that premise.
They passed the laws because they were starting to have a problem because a lot of people were getting hooked.
That's why.
Because our government properly recognized the danger to society.
Now, listen to me.
Look around the world in areas where they have legalized drugs.
Remember China and the opium dens.
And there are modern examples as well.
I'll tell you, you do that and you legalize drugs, and pretty soon you're going to have a nation not full of people hooked on narcotics, but a high enough percentage to perhaps make the continued wonderful land we know as America problematic indeed.
You know, I've known Hoagland for a number of years, Art, and I've been talking to him off and on the last, well, not quite one year, about his lunar investigation.
Yeah, well, what he had broached, you know, when he was doing his original Mars research, one of the people that enhanced, did a computer enhancement on these photographs was Dr. Mark Carlotto.
And Carloto really did some excellent research with this, and this is one of the things that convinced me that Hoagland may be onto something with the Mars face.
However, with the lunar photographs that he has, he conducted the enhancement himself.
And this was something that, I mean, this is not Hoagland's field, and I was kind of concerned about that because, as you know, even though he may be absolutely upfront about this research, sometimes you can find what you want to find.
And in the upper left-hand corner, discernible is a saucer.
I mean, it's really a neat fax logo.
Here's another one.
I think the media circus surrounding O.J. Simpson is an obscenity.
The handling of this story by television news crews, particularly by the LA media, isn't a responsible grab for ratings at any cost.
It is my understanding of the news gathering process that ethical reporting involves quoting only those sources that can be verified.
Now, reporters are perfectly willing to report the latest rumor to viewers before checking up on them.
Also, we're hearing a lot of information about the ongoing investigation, bracketed by the attribution of police sources say, since the police themselves will not go on record with official information at this point.
The media uses police sources that are not willing to go on camera or reveal their identities.
Well, sure.
You know, the reporters know the cops.
It's just that simple.
I've been a reporter.
I bet you didn't know that.
I have.
I've been a news director at one time.
And the fact of the matter is, you get a close relationship with the cops, and that's how you get the leaks.
It's a natural process.
I don't know.
My feelings on this really are mixed.
I mean, he is a public figure, a big public figure.
He has made his money, and he's got a lot of it by being in front of the public one way or the other, as in the NFL, where he was a hero, as in television, where he was an absolute personality, and I'm sure moneymaker for the networks.
So, in a sense, live by the sword, die by the sword.
I think the real problem that people aren't asking is not whether the press is trying him.
It's obvious that they are.
The real question is why are they doing it?
And I think it's the same reason that they spent so much time on the Tanya Harding and the Michael Jackson and anything else that came up, because if they didn't talk about that, they'd have to lower themselves to talking about other newsworthy things like, oh, Vince Foster's death or Travelgate or even get in more as Paula Jones.
That's just my opinion, because, I mean, I unfortunately, being a conservative, we have to get most of our information from you or Rush Limbaugh, and automatically when you talk to somebody about it and you tell them, oh, I heard it from Artell or I heard her on the Rush Limbaugh show, they throw their arms up in the air.
But if the normal press would just spend half their time on it digging into the mystery around Vince Foster's death or the possible felonies that were committed by Bill Clinton in Travelgate, it'd be ridiculous.
The hearings are coming up, and when they do, believe me, it'll be big news.
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Well, I hope so, because for 12 years we heard about how bad the Republicans were, and I'd just like to see if they can take it as well as they can dish it out.
Yeah, there's a day and time for things, and I do recognize that the news has an agenda of its own in the way it follows stories.
And right now, Whitewater is kind of sitting in the investigative stage, and so most people are staying away from it.
It looks now as though the hearings on Whitewater will come probably about 30 days to the day after the special investigator finishes his business when he concludes one way or the other.
About 30 days from that date, the congressional hearings will begin, and there may be room to move all over the place, and Vince Foster will be, I'm sure, a large part of that.
So it's coming.
Listen, there is one other thing I wish to mention.
A man called about 45 minutes ago and told me about a breaking story in the Reno area.
And I don't wish to invade anybody's privacy, but I do want to know more about the story.
The story is that, as he told it now, it's from a caller, that a three-year-old child in Reno has been taken from her house while her mother showered, kidnapped from her house.
And if you have any more information on that, I would appreciate very much a call.
Yeah, I have been out now every break, every single break, and I turn on my floods, and I have not seen one rabbit.
And you know what that means?
That means that I've missed the fun.
Because I'd give a substantial sum to be able to just sit out there and watch them come up and bite into the thing and see their little whiskers screw up, maybe hear them screech a few times and hear them run away.
I'd give almost anything for that.
unidentified
Well, too bad a video cam wasn't set up, but that's okay as long as it works.
Yeah, I know that seems really mean to take some joy, you know, in seeing them bite into that, but it would be joy, and I would enjoy that, and they deserve it.
Here are the Dreamland guests that are coming up.
I thought you might enjoy this.
Let's see.
June 19th, Dr. Chet Snow on past life regressions and future life progressions.
That'll be coming up this Sunday.
And by the way, a lot of stations joining Dreamland on this Sunday, beginning this Sunday.
On June 26th, it'll be Bruce McAbee.
Dr. Bruce McAbee.
He analyzes photographs, among other things, presented to him on, you know, about UFOs or whatever.
Perhaps even the type of thing that Richard Hoagland is talking about.
July 3rd, Michael Lindeman, who is a futurist and a fun interview.
July 10th, Richard Hoagland.
That'll be just prior to the collisions of Shoemaker Levy 9.
July 17th, Robert Monroe, author of Journeys Out of the Body.
And he'll be coming to us from the Monroe Institute.
On July 24th is John Zajak, author of The Delicate Balance.
On July 31st, we're going to bring Linda Moulton Howe on for three hours.
And you have heard her many times, generally every week.
You know about Linda.
On August 7th, a return engagement of Sean Morton, author of the Gulf Breeze Prophecies.
And then on August 14th, it'll be Dr. John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist.
And he'll be talking, of course, about alien abductions, about the controversy swirling around the lady who duped him.
So that's quite a lineup.
I just gave it to you June 19th through August 14th for a program called Dreamland.
Sir, you shouldn't hold a man personally accountable for his personal characteristics if he's doing a good job.
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You know, it doesn't matter what I do when I go home, as long as when I'm on the job, I do my best and I give my employee employee or the So it doesn't matter a hundred women, a thousand women, who cares?
Yeah, but look, there's some jugglers hanging out there so far.
The people that have them are in danger of tripping over them.
In other words, it's out there to be cut or wounded in some way.
unidentified
Yeah, you're going for it.
Let's talk about his agenda instead of talking about his character.
You don't like his agenda.
Okay, let's address the agenda.
talk about employer mandates for health care you know let's that's why why i i've been i've been here sir sir i have been taught not to talk about the dead not talk about I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
Yeah, and you know, the fact that I get nosebleeds for my allergies.
That's all his fault.
And so I don't know where this guy gets off.
You know, saying that all of a sudden, well, I mean, I guess I do because the liberals all do it, but all of a sudden because it's Bill Clinton and we love liberals, then, you know, we're going to all of a sudden now it's just been invented.
It is for me a Friday night, Saturday morning show, even though it's not Friday night, Saturday morning.
For I'm going to take a day off in my place, me and Richard Hoagland.
That's right.
Me and Richard Hoagland.
And if you missed that show, don't miss its repeat, or even if you did catch the original, there's enough information there to sink a ship.
So have a notepad and listen carefully.
He's got a whale of a story to tell.
On the wildcard line, you're back on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Oh, sure.
Well, let's see, where were we?
I'm about to turn 30.
Speaking of birthdays, then I tell you that because I'm going to have to admit that I'm one of those people that's just old enough to have come home from school and watch the gong show from time to time.
And you remember there's a guy called the Unknown Comic?
The Blowing in the Wind foreign policy of Bill Clinton.
Jimmy Carter in North Korea declaring, not quite declaring peace in our time, but very close.
The president back home, the hesitant believer, while The man charged with really doing this sort of thing for the United States appears on McNeil Lear.
Weird, weird stuff.
I'm tempted to do a Jimmy Carter foreign policy panel, and I might do that.
I think that ratification, well, again, I don't have a solid definite view yet, but I'm considering very seriously the notion that just having the Senate to ratify is not enough to preserve in these kind of treaties sovereignty issues for smaller local communities.
Again, I'm not sure if GAP's a treaty or an agreement, but if it's a treaty, oh boy.
And I just think that it seems to me that the sovereignty of the states in these kinds of issues, particularly where this is practically an overhaul of our wholehaul of our old system of government.
I did see the interview tonight with Sam Donaldson in College Jones.
Yes, yes, yes.
And I just wanted to say, as a woman and as a Republican, conservative, someone who really would love to see Bill Clinton out of office, I had to say that she was very believable.
Well, I thought so, too, but I was afraid that I was doing the usual male thing, you know, and being influenced in some way I shouldn't be by a woman who's good at acting or something.
unidentified
Yeah, in fact, I even said to my husband, you know, even if Bill Clinton was our president, I would have to say that I think that she's telling the truth.
And there's a million people, you know, who think I'm controlled, that somebody's pulling my strings, that I'm doing the government's bidding, or I'm actually a government agent, got called that the other day.
Or a CIA or something or another.
But the truth is, the media is still free in America.
I'm telling you that.
I'm telling you that.
The media in America is free.
It is not constrained by any single source of opinion.
It's not orchestrated.
Or if it is, it's orchestrated in so many wonderfully different directions that the net result is indeed a free press.
I have my opinions.
I'm blasting those out.
So in a way, I've got my agenda.
I accept that criticism.
I do have something of an agenda.
I'm a conservative.
I don't hide from that fact.
But there's lots of people just the opposite.
Look at Lykus, the latest.
There's a wealth of examples of freedom of the press.
Now, that's one thing that still basically is intact.
I know a lot of you disagree with that, but I'm telling you, you're wrong.
And it's from this perch where I really am free.
It's the truth.
But of course, my telling you that will not satisfy you.
I understand that, and you're still convinced it's all orchestrated.
I was also impressed that they contacted the gal that worked with her and that that gal verified, corroborated what Paula said about being handed the note by Ferguson.
I wanted to comment on the Paula Jones interview, but first, regarding Clinton's foreign policy, I still think the label I gave you a couple months ago is probably better than any.
She was saying, can you believe, I mean, if, in fact, I had cooperated with the governor in his suite, do you really think I would have needed afterwards to talk to him on the way downstairs saying, hey, does the governor have a girlfriend?
Somebody just sent me a facts on a ham fest, which, of course, I can't tell you about this kind of thing because it would be a public service announcement.
A ham fest is for amateur radio operators.
This one, of course, is on August 13th, sponsored by the Sierra Nevada Amateur Radio Society.
But I can't tell you about this.
Again, the thing I can't tell you about is going to occur August 13th, where a lot of ham radio operators get together and have a good time.
They'll even give ham radio license examinations there.
It sure is a lot of fun, this Reno Ham Fest, August 13th.
If only I could tell you about it.
Anyway, welcome back to the show, and we've had a caller holding.
I was going to say, I thought the interview with Sam Donaldson tonight was characteristic of the tactic that liberals tend to be following now in defending their man, Bill Clinton.
Well, and then the second tactic is when that fails, then they say, well, it really doesn't matter anyway, even if these things are true, we have to look at the way he's doing his job.
That tells me that they might not have everything that the press says they have, because, geez, this seems like a clincher.
If this report is true, and now this is the second person telling me this.
I should have listened to ABC this last hour, but how could I have known?
But if this is true, it is kind of the straw, it would seem to me, that would break the hesitating camel's back and that an arrest would come very soon.
Well, my question was whether a lawyer who knew his client was guilty, maybe even whose client had admitted, yes, I did the deed, how that lawyer could go out and defend that person trying to get an acquittal.
I want to understand more about what has happened in Reno and see if anybody has any news.
Would you hold on my toll-free line, please, everybody, and let Reno get through?
The story we're getting from Reno is that a three-year-old child, this was one caller and I want this confirmed, apparently was taken from her home, is it a she, in Reno while the mother allegedly was in the shower.
And this will indeed be a big story and I want catch-up on it.
So on the toll-free line, nobody but Reno, please.
1-800-618-8255.
This is one of the great advantages of live talk radio.
If something's going on, we can find out about it right away.
Is this a true story in Reno, please?
I talked to a man who's ready to go out in the morning and look for this child.
In some ways, this is really a sick society today.
And this kind of stuff makes me really, really does make me sick.
And it makes a lot of Americans sick.
And it better not be a trend.
And I'll tell you this right now.
If somebody came into my home after my child, I wouldn't have any hesitation.
I'd give the bunny more respect than I'd give them.
I'd blow them right out the window if I had the opportunity.
And I wouldn't have the slightest compunction or worry about doing it.
This crap of people not even being safe in their own homes and their own children being safe has really got to stop.
Yeah, what that caller said earlier, that is true.
Supposedly the mother was taking a shower, and when she got out, her three and a half-year-old daughter was missing.
And I guess this happened about, yeah, 36 hours ago, because I work right next door to where they're having the surveillance, I guess, the party to find the child, because about 9 o'clock, there was a helicopter outside, and we're all, what's going on?
We thought at first maybe a convict escaped from somewhere, and it was pretty crazy, because this helicopter was about 50 feet from the ground.
Well, when it comes to something like this, frankly, I probably would be really tempted to do something that would land me in jail and take the law into my own hands if I had to.
unidentified
Yeah, I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of community support rallying around this whole issue because Reno's, it's still small enough that I don't think people are going to stand for this at all.
Any other Reno calls, please hold up and let them get through on the 800 line.
Did you hear that?
This kind of thing has got to stop.
And this is a legitimate complaint of the American people.
Why aren't we safe in our own homes?
Our own children aren't safe in our own homes.
Is that it?
Well, damn it.
What kind of lifestyle is that?
What kind of quality of life is that when you're not safe, when your own children aren't safe in your own home, when that's what you've got to worry about?
What kind of quality of life is that?
Do you realize how things are degenerating socially in this country?
Sick.
On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
Good morning, Art.
Hello, are you in Reno?
No, not quite.
Well, thank you then for the call.
We're holding that line open for Reno, actually.
But I appreciate it, sir.
I'm doing that now for a very important reason.
I feel, I guess, as though I've confirmed the story, but if I can hear any more, I'd like to.
I tend to be conservative economically and somewhat politically, but I'm really kind of middle of the road, and I look at everything as it comes along.
Well, all I know is what I said, ma'am, that this kind of crime, if it's beginning to be in vogue or something, it's going to bring a lot of changes because the average American person is going to do what they have to do.
And if these kinds of people are caught, oh, well, I just, I, you know, I guess it.
We bought a two-story house, and one of the reasons why is because, yes, in case of a fire, it might be more difficult to get out, but it's a lot harder for some Cretan to get up to the second floor and get a child out of their room.
Sure, I know, but have you ever stopped to think how totally screwed that is, that you've got to consider living in a second-story place so that your child won't get kidnapped out of your own house?
I mean, that's really...
unidentified
I consider it horrible that I have to lock my doors.
And I talked, as soon as I saw it, it hit the 11 o'clock local news, sir.
They gave the police number to call if you had any information.
But I called the detectives and told them I would volunteer in the morning, and they're taking numbers for what they call a group, you know, coming through.
I just, you know, I think after 36 hours, I'm trying to imagine a circumstance, and there are some, under which a child would just walk out three and a half-year-old, pretty young to be doing that.
Be gone 36 hours and be okay anywhere, other than in the control of an adult or trapped, you know, trapped or something or another.
It's hard to understand 36 and a half hours.
I just think it's a horror.
Your child in your own house, the sanctity of your own house.
Yep, I'm telling you, if it was me and it was my child and I thought there was foul play, I'd be hunting.
and to hell with everything i'd be out there hunting on the wild card line you're on the air Hello.
I had another question I wanted to ask you about, too.
If you might be able to explain to me, we went to the trouble of amending the Constitution so that we could elect our senators rather than have them appointed by state legislators.
Well, I'll tell you, in some categories, the judicial system had better get off its duff and start getting some things done or people are going to be feeling in a very revolting mood.
unidentified
Now, did Arizona appoint their lower court judges also, or are they still elected?
She looks Spanish, 33 pounds, very thin, brown hair, brown eyes, a gap in the bottom teeth, wearing blue shirt with cartoon characters and pink pajama buttons.
Were there any signs at all of entry or, in other words, you could kind of, it seems to me, look at the scene and determine if there was an adult there or you might be able to, whether a door was ajar or anything like that.
Is there any part of this that there wasn't a witness for?
They're beginning every single little step of the way.
It's like blood's here, blood's there, time's right, here we go.
Somebody saw the car.
Yes, he was there.
The dogs were barking at this time, yes.
Oh, boy, it's like they've got this whole thing nailed down if you listen to the press.
unidentified
Right, and the thing that really gets me is, you know, I'm a big football fan, and I'm a fan of O.J. Simpsons, and, you know, you get the feeling that you know these public personalities, but I really starting to think, like, this guy probably did it, and it's hard for me to believe based on the image I've built in my mind.
No, I'm just saying if the evidence is correct, if he did wait outside with a knife like that, nearly cut someone's head off, killed, murder, viciously murder two people, and then try to cover it up.
But if you get the knife and get the ski mask and get whatever, that's premeditated all day long, and it should carry the death penalty, but it won't because it's political.
Last, let me say on Jimmy Carter, there's no question.
Out of all the former presidents, I believe that Jimmy Carter is the most respected around the world.
Because Jimmy Carter has more rapport with North Korea.
But let me say this.
Let me say this real fast.
Let me say this real fast.
I can get it in.
I know you might not let me, but let me just say that it's amazing you guys can talk about foreign policy being out of control because under Ronald Reagan, if you'll remember, you had a guy named Poindexter in North who ran foreign policy without the president's knowledge, unless Ronald Reagan's a liar, which I assume he's not.