Lori Toye’s 1983 vision of I Am America—a map depicting California splitting into islands, the Pacific Northwest vanishing, and catastrophic U.S. shifts—was refined in 1988 through meditation, framing earth changes as divinely inspired warnings tied to humanity’s choices between love and fear. Callers shared similar prophecies, from a 1953-54 time-travel vision predicting a "socialistic facility for the elderly" to warnings about societal collapse accelerating disasters like meteor strikes. Toye dismisses skepticism, citing quantum experiments and cross-cultural prophecies as evidence that collective consciousness shapes reality, urging listeners to reject fear-driven systems and embrace divine-human collaboration over rigid dogma. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening or good morning, depending on where you are, and welcome to another edition of Coast to Coast AM p.m.
That hour that's kind of in the twilight zone.
At least here on the West Coast.
Good morning, everybody.
I think you're going to find this a fascinating program this morning.
Let me give you a little bit of background, tell you how this happened.
You're about to hear from somebody you've never heard from before.
And here's why.
A neighbor of mine here in Little Prop, Nevada, said, hey, Art, I've got a map I think you'd be interested in.
And it shows what a future America is going to look like.
And it's called I Am America.
And he brought it over.
And it's, oh, I don't know, one two and a half feet by probably two and a half feet or a little more.
A big map.
It's a big map.
And in a lot of ways, it's kind of a worrisome map.
Or maybe not.
We'll find out about more of that from Lori here in a moment.
Her name is Lori Toy.
And one of the most worrisome, immediately noticed things, as far as I was concerned, is that I'm not on the map.
When I say I'm not on the map, I mean Nevada, for the most part, about 95% of it appears not to be on the map.
And in fact, a great deal of what's west of the U.S. Rocky Mountains appears not to be on the map.
A good healthy portion of Middle America seems to be a river.
In other words, these are massive earth changes.
And here's a little piece of literature that came with the map.
It says, this map was inspired by a dream received in 1983 by a young mother of three children.
In this dream, Laurie Adele, I believe it is, Toy, met four Tibetan masters who spoke about the prophecy of Earth change and unrolled the first original Earth Changes map.
It was a dream that was mystifying and startling, but promised a future of positive change.
In 1988, Laurie had received more Earth Changes information and captivated by the stunning detail, compiled these prophecies into the I Am America map of Earth Changes.
Supported by a team of local friends, a full-scale model of the Earth Changes map was built.
Then she began to talk to groups about her experience and the prophecies from the Ascended Masters.
In May of 1989, 1,000 free copies of the prophetic map were sent to new age centers and publications across the United States.
A lot of people might view this as just a money-making gimmick that is here to sell and exploit fear, money.
Encouraged to continue, though, to release the material to the public, Lori struggled personally with the ethics that this earth changes material would be either misinterpreted or misrepresented.
Beloved Sandana, I believe it is, I'm sure I'm going to get corrected on that, sponsor of the project, repeated, quote, send this message to the earth with love.
So she listed her home with a local realtor, sold her house.
She committed to sharing the I Am America map with the rest of the world.
Her home sold in two hours.
And the first 1,000 posters of the map were printed.
Now, now you're going to hear about it.
Let's go down to Arizona and find out what in the world this is all about.
And so here from Arizona, we'll find out where is Lori Toy.
I had a lifetime that was this farm wife when I received this dream.
Then I had a lifetime working at my own magazine, which I published and taught me a lot about doing projects of this nature.
And now I have this lifetime working with Earth Changes.
And I've spent the last six years of my life dedicated to working with these prophecies and working to develop a real broad-based understanding of what this type of experience is about, what it means, and the potential that it can unleash for all of us.
I was asleep at night, and then I had this experience that was real.
And what happened in the dream, or what I would call now a vision, as I study these things, I've learned there's a big difference between a dream and a vision.
And this map was unrolled in front of me, surrounded by what I came to understand later were four Tibetan masters, and they revealed this new map of the United States.
But it wasn't later until 1988 that I began to, in a sense, unravel the mysteries that were contained in that map.
The dream was a very profound experience for me.
It reoccurred for three months.
Oh, boy.
I remember even talking to a friend about it.
And I said, you know, this is so unusual because I keep on having this dream.
And she says, well, you know, a lot of the ancient prophecies about a time when the earth would change.
And I've studied them a little bit.
And she says, Lori, don't worry about it.
This is a good thing that's happening because this is going to be a time not only where the earth will change, but because of that, people will change.
And we'll have what they call a golden age.
And I thought, well, that's kind of interesting.
But you know how everything is sort of a point of departure in life.
And in fact, later on in 1988, when we worked to compile all the information through the process of meditation and channeling, people were just amazed because they said, this is the most detailed information we have ever seen brought forth in this manner.
And it surprised me too.
In fact, at that time, I was living in a small town in northern Idaho.
I worked locally, had a small graphic design and advertising agency.
I was well known in the local region, and I didn't want anyone to know what I was doing because this was something they called, quote, unquote, kooky and weird.
But it was really funny because it was almost like there was a force supporting this information to be heard, almost like a series of hands like I was walking on, you know, effortlessly, leading for this thing.
It had its own energy, is what I'm saying.
It was just incredible.
Doors opened effortlessly.
For instance, when I made the commitment for the map to be published, my house, it really did.
It wasn't as if this wasn't something that I thought about before I did this, because I realized when you put this type of information out, there's a responsibility that goes with it.
So I remember talking to a really good friend before we put the information out, and she said, you know, Lori, you just don't know yet where this is going to lead.
Yes, I was instructed, and I was told to send this message to the earth with love.
And that is the foundation and the mission that we carry out here at IMAMI, is we work to find a way to language this work always with love, removing the fear and showing the mystical journey that is contained in all of these prophecies.
And they're very full.
And probably by the end of this night, if the listeners out there will hang with us, they'll feel very well fed.
So after I got the first thousand copies of this map printed, I loaded them up in the back of my little four-door car, drove down to California, and I started selling these to bookstores all up and down the coastline.
It was like I had a burn in me that I had to get out there and warn these people.
And I stayed probably in that flow for about a year and a half to two years.
And then I started noticing a shift happening with me, a consciousness shift, almost a transformational thing was happening with me myself.
And it's like information would come to me effortlessly, what I would call synchronicities.
Anyway, what happened for me is that I began to understand what prophecy is.
That, of course, we were dealing with earth changes material, but that this was a work of prophecy.
And so I looked up the word prophecy and what prophecy means.
And for anyone listening out there, if you really want to grow and take on a transformational journey, get yourself a very good dictionary, even dated past the 30s.
Start looking up the meanings of words and what they say because the spoken word is really powerful.
So I look at the word prophecy, and I'm going to give you the noun.
And this is what it means.
The first definition is divinely inspired utterance.
The second one, utterance under the inspiring influence of religious experience.
Three, this is the one that I work with the most, inspired declaration or revelation of the divine will, including moral teaching by warning, consoling, exhorting, giving an example of fellowship with God and the like.
Prophecy is based upon a spiritual teaching, and it always has and always will be.
Of course, that took a lot for me to get to that place that I could say that, that God is the one.
But the best explanation I've ever heard that came the closest to languaging, what God is, of course, I think it's even impossible to language, I heard it this from Grandmother Twy, who is an elder of the Seneca tribe in upper state New York, great Native American grandmother.
Can you describe, do you have words, and I'm sure you must after all this time, to describe to those who cannot see it, it's a beautiful map, really beautiful.
Thank you.
But can you give a brief description of it so everybody understands roughly what we're talking about and the earth changes that are depicted here?
In the Pacific Northwest, a peninsula of land going out to Mount Shasta, and again that breaks away into a series of islands in upper state Nevada and lower state of Idaho, southern Idaho.
All of Oregon is almost gone.
Most of Washington State, a series of islands with that, oh, I can't remember the names of the mountains there, but they form a chain of islands in there as well.
The Mississippi River, tremendous flooding and the Great Lakes breaking away and forming in the Midwest and into Texas, a huge river making the Mississippi and Missouri rivers widening ten times over.
The breakup of the East Coast, a lot of ice, a lot of wind, the lower tip of Florida sinking.
And those are just real brief.
That's just a real brief description of the United States.
All right, well, so would I, because let me ask one quick question, Laurie.
Okay.
These changes, whatever will bring them on, and we'll talk about that, would result in arguably the death of millions and millions of people with the West Coast virtually disappearing.
Well, according to the literal work of the prophecy, it is many things.
But they said the first thing that we could look for as a sign would be the appearance of a meteor in the sky, and that possibly it would impact and get this, you'll like this one, in the Nevada desert.
Lori, on that thoughtful note, I'm going to ask you to hold on, and we'll go rolling through a bottom-of-the-hour break here, so just relax for a few moments, and I'll consider the meteor in the sky.
Lori Toy is my guest.
Oh, boy.
It's the Earth Changes map we're talking about called I Am America and the prophecy of Lori Toy.
And she sounds quite serious, so I'm going to treat it the same way.
Good evening.
Good morning, everybody.
We will get back to Lori and to your telephone calls in just a bit.
If you're fascinated by prophecy and what may well lie ahead for all of us, then I suggest you stay tuned because coming back in just a moment, Lori Toy, the I Am America gal.
And you ought to see this map.
The meteor's going to hit Nevada, huh?
Doggon it.
It's always Nevada.
We'll be back.
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Right, but the size of meteor that you must be talking about here would have to be quite a bit bigger, it seems to me, to do this, if that is in fact what does the major part of the rearranging.
We're up on a range of mountains near the White Mountains on the Mogillon Rim, which is a granite formation.
And they say, which this is one thing I have found out in working with Earth Change's prophecies, that living in areas where there's granite formations, it is safer in terms of if you're hunting for a safe place to look, to live,
primarily because basalt rock explodes under pressure, particularly if you get the grinding of tectonic plates and that kind of activity going on with major earth changes, you get an earthquake, say above an A point, some of that basalt will just turn into ash.
In fact, most of Oregon is covered by basalt flows.
I think the when is now, and I think we're living in a time of prophecy right now.
You know, when you were talking about this activity that will be happening on Jupiter, did you know in 1992 that we came so dangerously close with impact with an asteroid?
Well, I know that, you know, I watched the news, Laurie, very closely, and I would say two or maybe three times in the last three years, there have been Associated Press stories saying astronomers just announced that we had a close call, had passed tense.
In other words, they announced it after the fact, and as though they had only found out about it after the fact.
Well, I think there's a lot of things going on that we, as quote-unquote, the public at large, never hear, never hear what's happening in terms of what's happening with Earth changes and the potential for these tremendous changes that will literally just alter life on the planet.
Laurie, if there was a meteor headed this way and they knew it, they meaning the government or the authorities, I'm not even convinced, frankly, they would tell us.
Well, you know, that's a pretty tricky answer there, I mean, and how to even deal with that in terms of the fear, the looting that could occur in that type of situation.
You know how control-based a lot of our government is right now.
Oh, I'm sure that they would sit in their think tanks back there and conclude much of the Western U.S. is going to disappear.
To announce now, weeks ahead of time, that it's going to occur might save some lives or it might cost more lives in terms of people tromping over each other and anarchy and trying to get out of the way of this thing.
With the population shifts, they might conclude it would be better to say nothing.
That's hopeless for us, people who are getting that something is going on.
And we feel like we're victims.
We wonder, well, what can we do with this type of thing?
And that's part of the process that we feel we really help with here at I'm America, is that we feel right now, all the choices that we make in living our lives make a difference in the overall scheme of things.
Now, what I'm proposing here is that our thoughts and our feelings create reality.
And when you live in fear, you create more fear.
When you live with love, you create more love.
Now, that's pretty profound to think that our thoughts alone might avert a tremendous catastrophe and cataclysm or an asteroid impacting and hitting the planet.
But I think this is the purpose of these prophecies, and that's why people are getting these prophecies now, because if they're sent with love, you would think that they are sent as a warning so that we can do something to either avert the changes or assist in a gentle change so that we don't have to go through death and destruction, but yet make a choice for love and peace.
I have concluded that, and also I have been told that, that this is not inevitable.
Our choices every day make a difference.
We have a saying, a change of heart can change the world.
And I know for most people thinking out there, gosh, you mean, like if I start thinking every day good thoughts, we may not get as much rain in the Mississippi Valley.
Yeah, and they found out that that area was suffering periodically from major mill layoffs.
And every time they had major mill layoffs in that area, they had these horrific rainstorms.
The other thing that they've noted in Saudi Arabia and different areas where it's really arid, they've noticed that those areas, and I'm not saying that's just a pinpoint one area, but these are all over the globe.
Drive-by shootings, children who no longer care about themselves nor the life of others take life without a thought, without a conscious thought about it, the blank stare of those who have not much inside to care about or live for.
And there's a lot of that around right now.
And so if our fate is tied to our behavior, I think right now, at least right now, we're doomed.
And I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but those are current circumstances as I read them.
But God bless our free will because we can turn it around anytime.
Martin Luther King said, if I knew the world was going to end tomorrow, I'd still plant my apple tree today.
And what he was saying is that I am going to keep my faith.
I'm going to keep my hope because I have been blessed with free will and I have the ability to make a conscious choice.
And those choices every day can change the world.
And if you notice in the I'm America map, and this is the third stage of prophecy, and it's known as the mystic message, you notice all those coastlines and everything on there.
And then there are those little yellowed areas, Gobian, Maltone, Wahani.
And for our listeners out there, we'll talk about that later in more detail so you understand what we're talking about.
But that represents the ideal of perfection of what we can hold in the best and highest good.
The mystic message there, it is the message of choice.
So that is where I have arrived after six years of study with this and working with people, mailing maps out, talking on phones, traveling all over the United States with this, I have arrived at this very simple place.
Our choices will make the difference and determine the outcome.
We can circumvent the cataclysm and disaster if we'll just simply love.
And I'm probably coming at it in working at a blend of philosophy and science and then also spirituality.
I wouldn't call it religion.
I'd call it spirituality.
It's kind of interesting.
I've had to work so many different angles with this to reach people with a message.
And one way when we start talking about love in this, it's a whole other place for people to view the planet.
And they're thinking, gosh, I mean, if I just start loving, you know, my neighbor and that kind of stuff, we can start changing collective consciousness?
Well, yes, you certainly can.
And I think that this is something that is an evolution.
For instance, now I'm not going to get into Darwin, although we could get into it later.
But years and years and years ago, and I'm going to share a little bit of what is myth or storytelling, as I understand it from the background that I have, is that mankind was asexual.
And this was during a time, and we're going to call this time Lemuria.
And at that particular time, I'm not saying that the body represented the consciousness because the consciousness was very full.
It was, in essence, divine.
But the body itself had to devote all of its mind, mind power, mind energy, to just the running and the working of the body so that the body could actually, the heart would beat, the liver would work.
And this development of consciousness led to the development of the emotional body and onward into what, in our time, now known as the time of the mind or the time of choice.
Now, since we don't have to think about beating our heart or the functioning of our lungs and the blood going through our veins, that has fallen into what is known as conscious, unconscious activities.
What if, through the practice of love, love became a conscious, unconscious activity?
Well, if you look at current events, Lori, and you look at the present state of this country, where do you find hope that things are turning in the direction you would hope for that would avert this prophecy?
Now, once again, once again, here I am, and I have a guest.
Her name is Lori Toy.
She is a prophet.
I guess that's a fair thing to say.
Lori Toy is a prophet.
She had dreams which led her to design a map which was shown to her called I Am America.
The map, maybe it ought to be called I Am What's Left of America, because just about everything west of the Rockies, with some exceptions in mountainous areas, is either islands or water, or frankly, not here.
A lot of the Middle America along the Mississippi is well underwater.
A lot of the East Coast has been shattered as well.
And it's pretty shocking stuff.
It's a large, beautiful color map, and a friend gave it to me, and that's how I pursued Lori Toy.
Lori says that all of this can either be true or not be true, depending on, well, I hate to use the 60s expression, vibes, but that's roughly it translated, I suppose, into the new age with some other phrase.
But that's the rough idea.
It can either be or not be.
We're going to go back to Lori Toy, and I'm going to have her briefly catch us up once again.
And I'm going to open the telephone lines to you if you have any questions.
I can imagine you would have.
The first time caller line, if you'd like to call, is area code 7027271222.
Let me repeat that area code 7027271222.
The wildcard direct dial lines are area code 7027271295.
What I think we're exposing you to here is a little new age stuff.
And in this case, I would say it was definitely a vision.
It reoccurred.
It was the same.
It was very detailed.
And then later on, of course, the recall of that dream had such stunning accuracies.
And then one thing that we haven't talked about was how those accuracies have correlated with what other people had been getting to in what we call the collective unconsciousness.
Of course it is, because everything has a timing or a sattva, a rhythm that we talked about.
But here's something really interesting to bring this into real layman's terms so people can grasp the scope of what can happen if we get shifting of the poles and that kind of stuff, that are all on the I'm America map.
I'm going to read you a little note I pulled here.
Scientists have long questioned how Lake Titicaca could have the remnants of a very ancient city nearby when its elevation couldn't even grow corn.
The city was real close near to it, and they've got an elevation of about 12,000 feet.
Its chemical composition and fauna also resembled an ancient ocean.
Research now tells the incredible story.
Millions of years ago, before our own moon was caught by the Earth, another moon circled dangerously close, pulling ocean waters towards the equator.
So we had another moon, not the moon we have now.
They've estimated that the tide was higher than 13,000 feet above normal because it pulled all the water to the equator.
When this moon crashed into the earth, the oceans receded to the poles and raised the ancient plateau city 12,500 feet and formed Lake Titicaca.
It will either cause outrageous devastation on the planet, or we will have a total raise in consciousness vibrations, vibes, what you just put out there to the listeners.
And the thing is, it's interesting about this phase of prophecy, as we live out this phase of prophecy, this isn't the worst that we've experienced before.
Well, I'm just a selfish mortal person, but I'm pretty much concerned with what I'm going to be experiencing here and less concerned with what's going to come later.
Not entirely, because I have offspring.
I have a son.
I'd like him to live, his children to live.
And so I'm slightly concerned for the future, but selfishly very concerned with the present and the rest of my life.
Lori, let's take a couple of calls and see what people have to say.
One comment is that that lake of which she speaks has a man-made lake, and the stones have interlocking joints on the end, and they weigh about 70 tons each.
And the question is, what is her view on thermonuclear war?
Thermonuclear war, I'm sure it plays a major portion in all of this.
And you know, when you're working with prophecies, a lot of times we don't understand what they meant until they actually happen.
And I think that in looking at prophecies, when you give like a prophetic statement and you're analyzing it and you're looking at it, oh gosh, what does this mean?
Usually sometimes you have to wait for it to happen before you even understand it, that it has happened.
But that is contained in some of the prophecies of our world prophecies.
If we're having these types of tectonic plate movements and major changes like that in the United States, of course we're going to have them all throughout the whole planet.
We will be coming out with the world map this spring.
And I did want to mention for the listeners out there that if they're interested in purchasing an I'm America map, our phone number here, and we have our secretaries was really gracious and came in tonight.
Any of that people wanted to call in and order a map, our phone number is 602-474-1341.
And basically, as I stated before early in the program, most of the west coast of the United States is drastically altered.
In fact, we have new seaport cities of Phoenix, Arizona, Denver, Colorado, and Salt Lake City itself exists in a series of little islands.
Mount Shasta becomes a peninsula of land, and if you were to see this map, you'd be very surprised because most of California is now a series of islands.
Also, the Pacific Northwest is completely gone.
And also just a series of islands there of the mountain range.
No, no, I don't belong to any organization other than just...
You know, it's interesting because I have studied a lot of the different world religions, and I was raised a Lutheran, and in fact, went to a Lutheran college.
I published a full-color tourist-oriented magazine.
It was what is known as a regional magazine for a little area known as central Idaho.
And then when I decided that the magazine business was not going to work for me because of the tremendous stress and the deadlines, I became a graphic designer and just worked out of my home.
But I had clients all throughout the valley that I worked in.
It was almost as if there was a grooming happening.
Because by the time that I got into the position to produce the I'm America map and then subsequently our two books, I had all the knowledge to do this, and I did it all myself.
And people have always been kind of amazed that that is the type of organization we are, but that's just what we do.
That is one joy that I have.
I love doing the graphic design still, so I try to stick with that as much as possible.
What they are, what they represent, are areas on our planet where we would be protected and safe during the times of changes.
Now that's the literal, but I want to explain some things that we haven't had a chance to get into yet.
On the human body, there are seven centers known as chakras.
And those are places on the body where we take in energy and release energy.
And there's a lot more information out about chakras.
And later on, when my husband Lentoy is on the air, he'll talk extensively about chakras and what they mean.
But since the planet and we are virtually one, in fact, this is kind of interesting.
When NASA sent astronauts up during the beginning age of exploring space, they would measure their human aura, and that's the electromagnetic field around us, at 8 Hertz.
And 8 Hertz would be like a measurement of the vibration.
That's right, because they are sacred places where we're taking in energy.
It was interesting when I first started talking about this theory of the planet having chakras.
It's really not a new theory at all.
It's just maybe the presentation, but the Native Americans have always talked about all the vortexes on the planet.
And I was speaking to a lady who has done quite a bit of research with Earth changes and is close to a lot of the Hobies.
And she says, well, you know, the Hobie elders are all saying that the vortexes of the planet are now all shifting locations to get ready for the new time.
She has been asked to bring us her, her vision, in the form of a map depicting the way things may be, might be, but according to Lori, don't have to be.
It's intriguing.
It's, I am America, or as I keep saying, what's left of America, if all of this happens.
Well, this started as what we had spoken about as a vision, a series of visions.
And then it evolved into some of the most fantastic, detailed information ever seen of this nature from what we know of as history.
But one thing that was really fascinating about the material was not only all of the stunning detail that was given with it, is that it contained such a strong spiritual message.
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I'll tell you, I'll just hang up on it and just listen.
And after doing some research with this, I discovered that prior to any time that we go through a major cataclysmic earth change, in the collective unconsciousness again of humanity, spiritual teachings would emerge.
Almost as if that source itself was saying, I will ensure humanity's safe passage beyond cataclysm and destruction.
So these spiritual truths now are known as prophecies.
And these spiritual truths are the things that will assure that everything will have a balance in what happens.
And if you look at America, that is what is known as a lexiogram, which means I am raised.
And I am what is known as an occidental name of God.
We have the Oriental, which is OM, and then the Western, which is Occidental, which is I am.
And when they say race, they don't mean that in terms of being racist, but they mean that in terms of the gathering of the I am race and its contribution to be made to the planet.
Well, you know, I don't know if you call this prophecy, but I've had an experience.
I don't know if anybody else has one quite like it.
Let's say 40 years ago between September of 1953 and January 1954.
The closest thing I can come to a word that I've seen printed is what they call time travel, which is somehow my mind was out of the normal range of time and in about five, six month period of time, I saw everything was going to happen through me in the next 50 years.
And that was 40 years ago.
Last 40 years, everything has been exactly as I remember.
And particularly, it's like starting about December 1st, 1993.
It's last December.
I've seen it a second time for the last 10 years or so of my life.
Everything since December 1993, I've seen twice now.
I would say everything I feel, think, say, and do now.
And in the course of time I've worked with, this for six years, which is really just a small amount of time, we get letters in every day people talking about the same experiences I've had, either dreams, visions, out-of-body experience, something given to them in meditation, very much as this man shared with us.
This is a very common thing.
And I think where we're at now in terms of evolution or science is that we're just starting to tap into the full potential of what we are, of what we carry within us.
And we're always calling it quote-unquote psychic, or we're always labeling and putting it into that area when...
It's a natural function.
And we limit it by our labels.
And like I said before, I mean, this is a natural thing that happens to us.
I think just by nature, the fact of the lifestyles that we're leading right now do everything to shut down the natural part of us that is part of this life-giving force.
I think that there are many prophets out there, many prophetic people.
Also, what this caller, this gentleman was just speaking about were the series of islands in California, the Sierra Madri forming a series of islands, as I understood it.
These prophecies are real catalyzing.
And what they do, what I've noticed, is that they make you afraid.
There's just no two ways about it.
But what happens in the process of dealing with fear, and this has happened for me personally, is that I have moved to a place of learning to deal with fear and also moved to a point where fear is not that big of a part of my life anymore.
And that's been my experience in working with this type of material.
And that's why I laid so much groundwork in the beginning of this interview with the Spiritual Insights Honor and changes on what that potentially holds for us.
This map, in terms of a prophetic teaching, which is a prophecy of change and a prophecy of choice, is that we are dealing with moving from fear and into love.
You know, I just pulled up a quote here, and I think it's very appropriate for the moment.
This comes from the mother, as she goes by, from the Sri Arobindo ashram in Ponacheri, India.
She says, there would no longer be any limits to the possibilities, to the unexpected, the marvelous, and one could hope for the most splendid, the most delightful things from the sovereignly free will, playing eternally with all the elements and creating unceasingly a new world, which logically would have absolutely nothing to do with the preceding one.
I do, but Lori, when I look around, I'm sorry, I guess I'm a hard-bitten realist.
It looks to me as though a lot of the free will that's being exercised in America right now is being exercised irresponsibly.
And I don't see the positive things that you see, and I'm happy that you see them, and I wish I could see them, and I know there are some of them out there, but the hard-bitten part of me says it's a damn mess right now, and it's getting worse and not better.
Our younger generation is splintered, confused, in some cases suicidal.
Their values, their morality have gone down the tubes.
And I want to thank Laura for what she's doing tonight and spreading her prophecy.
And me and Ma is sitting here in bed, and we had a bit of a prophecy ourselves, a bit of a vision.
And basically, we came up with the concept that we can't handle it no more.
And we think that the country is a big country, and it's time the country took responsibility for our kids.
We're going on welfare, Art.
And we think that it's time the country took responsibility for us and our kids and stood up to its responsibilities.
That's our vision.
And furthermore, Art, I was just wondering if maybe you would want to join us on welfare when people stop working because they're so afraid of everything, meteor showers and all.
Maybe they won't be able to afford none of them fancy radios no more, huh?
On the toll-free line, you're on the air with Lori Toy.
Hello.
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Yeah, Mr. Bill, I wanted to ask you if you're planning to have an opposing view, I guess, possibly a Christian, who could explain most of the things that she's explained this evening.
Well, this is true, and I don't have but two minutes, do I?
So I believe this is really, honestly, Lori, whether or not you believe this or not, but it's a deception that you don't even believe that you're doing yourself.
Do you believe in hell, or do you believe in heaven?
And I thought he did it rather well in the sense that he delineated the differences between the New Age look at things and the traditional religious look at things.
Shortly after I got out of service back in the 40s, I first become aware of people who make predictions like you are.
In this one particular case, this leader of this group had about 250 families in his church or whatever you call it.
They all sold their property because he predicted that the world was coming to an end, and he took them up to the top of Mount Wilson where they waited and waited and waited for this to happen.
Well, being this is 1994, it's a pretty long wait.
In any event, you mentioned that you believe that the scriptures are divinely inspired.
And I would say that if you say that sincerely, I don't know whether it's as a Lutheran background or what, you have to take certain conclusions from that statement that there is something that God is trying to communicate.
Most of what's left of the Rockies, west of the Rockies, is pretty much gone.
Nevada is prophesized to be hit by a meteor, and there's a great big old central chunk.
I guess we're ground zero for that here.
Most of the northwest is gone.
The Mississippi River has swollen and Taken with it a large chunk of the middle part of America.
And the eastern part of America is splintered and broken, with about a third of Florida at the bottom gone and other areas gone or turned into islands.
That's the map of prophecy.
It's a beautiful map, and it sparked my curiosity.
So I followed it and I found Lori down in Arizona.
She's been talking to us about this prophecy.
And thus far, to catch you up, since a lot of you will not have heard the first couple of hours, she has been accused of being a nutcase, that she should see a psychiatrist, that she should read her Bible.
In other words, the reaction has been strong, passionate, emotional, and mostly negative, as I sit here summarizing in my own mind.
And I would say I'm beginning to get to be as interested in the reaction to Lori as I am in the prophecy itself.
The prophecy, of course, is fascinating and controversial, but the reaction to it is really a study.
And I'm sure some of the rest of you probably feel the same way.
And my heart's really with your words because the last six years of my life have been with dealing with that reaction with folks and then bringing them back into the work.
And we call it, which is kind of interesting, we don't call it earth changes anymore.
There's a fabulous book out, and I won't get too deep into it because I'm not an expert on it, but it's called The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot.
And it talks about how mind creates.
He gives instances over and over and over again of thought creating.
What it was, basically, is that he worked with the nuclear physicist Spawn.
And they came across some very interesting studies in their laboratory with consciousness and creating.
And they set up two microscopes, and they were studying the movement of subatomic particles.
And on one, they had a computer eye, and they noticed that there was no motion.
Then the other one, they always viewed through the human eye.
And they noticed that when the human eye went over to the one that was allocated for it, then there was movement.
They are 400 miles across and 250 miles in elevation.
They are formed on the basis of sacred geometry, and we haven't even spoken about sacred geometry.
But they spin in a clockwise motion to take energy in and in a counterclockwise motion to take energy out.
Now, vortexian energy is a real fascinating energy to be in.
And I haven't done a complete comprehensive study on it, but I have had experiences of being in several of the different vortexes as given in this prophecy.
And you really have to go and experience them yourself.
But what I've noticed is that the energy is always very, very high when you're in one.
A lot of times people will hear real high-pitched ring when they're in a vortex.
The other thing is that good things happen in these vortexes for people.
There's usually a lot of synchronicities.
It's almost as if all the puzzles of our life are now fitting together in what they call a mosaic, that every tile is laid down and then we can see the whole thing.
I mean, if someone sends me a letter in the mail telling me that I can make a million dollars in a month and I wish it to be good, doesn't necessarily make that so.
I'm going to be very skeptical about it.
And I think when you're talking about the stakes that are as high as what you're talking about, I think it's very, very important that you please consider the source and question it.
What's happened here in our office, which is interesting, is, like I said, we get thousands of letters and thousands of calls of people who've had the same experience.
And I guess I would be considered narrow-minded because, and I do not believe that the New Age movement, it can be tolerated, but as far as being a truth, I don't believe so.
Because when you, Lori, say that we are divine, that is very blasphemous.
There is a new coastline in Arizona, and the new coastline runs right through Phoenix, Arizona, extends on up past Sedona, Arizona, and then extends all the way up into Denver, Colorado.
Well, interesting enough, and I'm glad you asked that question because I think we're living in that time right now.
Art and I were discussing about a meteorite that almost hit the planet in 1992, and I've often wondered, was that the meteorite that they were speaking about?
And when you look at the prophecies on the map, we've had many of the earthquakes that they've spoken about in California.
We've had this horrifically cold winter this year in the Northeast, which is part of the prophecies.
And then on top of it, the tremendous flooding of the Midwest, which are indicated in the prophecies.
Now, the next event that we'd look for, if there's a timing and delivery of these prophecies, literally as they happen, would be some sort of earthquake activity in the Pacific Northwest.
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Well, when would you expect that to happen?
In other words, for those of us who are interested in the accuracy of your prophecies, when do you expect that to happen?
I think, in terms of the information that I have received, that we're looking at something in the summer up in the Pacific Northwest, some sort of earthquake activity.
But I want to talk about something that's very important.
Collective consciousness can change those things.
And in fact, we've proven that.
There was quite an energy going towards California around the 1st of May of last year.
And a lot of people who are doing this kind of work had made predictions that an earthquake was going to hit and start everything out in California, around the Los Angeles area.
I checked in and discovered that there was to an energy that was happening at that time, that, yes, there could be some type of cataclysmic earthquake.
So we gathered about 20 people together and did what is known as an earth healing ceremony.
And it would be more quote-unquote religious in nature, but we drew from...
Yeah, I just had a couple, I don't necessarily want to burn Lori.
Lori, I don't really want to burn you.
But I did have a couple of observations.
Even biblically, the wise men use stars and different things to guide them.
There's a lot of prophecy, seer type things in the biblical days.
I think that what with the coming of Christ, though, that was all to bring them to Christ and then to leave behind those things.
I think that there is a certain amount of truth in some of the things that you are saying, because that is something I think that at one time all men had, was the ability to see different things and know different things.
And, you know, we used to frolic with the animals in the Eden, you know.
But that ultimately this shift comes away from man and it needs to go to God.
And I think that where you're missing the mark is in going from God.
And I chafe every time I hear you say, well, we are a divine being.
If we're divine, it's only because we have God in us, not that we ourselves are gods.
Well, but you're putting us on a level of being of it.
And I think it's also by saying that we as a consciousness of all can change things that are to be is a little bit saying like, well, we're going to put God on a string and make him do what we want versus what he has deigned for us to do.
We are, we are, and what I'm presenting there is, is that perhaps maybe through understanding how creative our thoughts and feelings are, is how we allow that divine plan to work through us.
I'm going to need to take a break, and then my husband, Len, will be coming on to give his portion of this interview.
But I still wanted to get our phone number out for folks.
And there really is nothing wrong with that at all.
That is part of who we are as a culture, as a world.
And it's not that critical.
However, the only thing that I would probably reiterate is it would be nice to have the consideration because the reality of it is that every one of us on the planet has our own choices, has our own opinions, has our own beliefs, and we're entitled to those.
Now, my observation is of what Laurie has brought to us in prophecy, what the Bible says, what different religions say, all of it seems to parallel very closely in terms of the events that everybody believes will occur.
We just seem to violently disagree about the power behind them.
You know, and I understand people's objections and their opinions, and they're totally justified by what they know and what they believe.
But I would like you to just consider a couple of things.
Our world has many diverse beliefs, just as there are many diverse flowers, many diverse trees, many diverse types of minerals and rocks.
Do you think that the creator or the source or the God of the creation wouldn't allow for such variety because it does Exist?
Do you think that any of these individuals through all the eons of time have been any less inspired than any others?
It's my opinion: if you were a rose gardener, for example, you would probably think that carnations or tulips or daffodils were not worthy of the name flower.
Only those that are roses.
However, the Creator has seen fit to supply us on a universal scale all the different types of flowers.
I mean, even water isn't the same.
Mountain spring water is entirely different than even lake water or even ocean water.
And we could debate the differences odd infinitum to where it would achieve nothing but frustration.
What the prophecy basically does, it's an x-ray.
It's kind of God, in a certain sense, saying how we're doing.
If you look at the areas where there are the greatest change on the IMARIC map, or even the world map for that, those are the areas where there are great conflicts, where there is great intolerance.
And the funny thing about a world prophecy of changes, which is, in effect, recorded in many, many scriptural texts, of having happened in a cyclical manner, the reality of it is that basically no one is untouched.
So whether your firm belief in Judaism says that this can't happen, it's not relevant.
Whether your firm belief is that you're a Christian, or that you're a Buddhist, or you're a Hindu, or you're a Muslim, guess what, world?
There isn't any of us who will be untouched.
And whatever we decide is the only way that we perceive God, God's saying no.
That's not the way it is.
You may perceive that only roses are the flower of truth.
Someone may say only tulips are the flower of truth.
But this particular prophecy leaves all governments, it leaves all religions, all spiritual paths equally touched.
Basically, that is many of the philosophies that we have adopted, not only in this land that supposedly comes under the guise of freedom of thought, freedom of feeling, freedom of religious belief.
So then when she had this vision and these prophecies, and she came to you and said, hey, hon, let's sell the house, I'm real curious how that settled on you.
Well, for example, it is referred to in many of the scriptural texts, including our Christian Bible, which I have read and which I don't discount in any way, shape, or form.
Completely accept that angels exist, that great beings of light exist, that there are great teachers.
Jesus speaks of seeing Moses and many, many other teachers in his visions.
Well, it's my experience that these types of experiences do, in fact, happen.
They're not necessarily the everyday kind of experience, but they do happen.
And so anything that Lori would present to me, I really wouldn't discount at all.
Well, first of all, I'd like you to, I'm going to read to you the word belief out of the dictionary.
Okay, it says belief.
It is a confidence or trust, conviction of the truth or reality of a thing, Based upon grounds insufficient to afford positive knowledge, that which is believed an accepted opinion, a tenet or creed, but you don't have proof.