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And, uh, before we bring them up, I do want to remind you that I'm a documentary filmmaker, and Terror Storm First Edition, only a few copies left, literally.
In a couple days, we're gonna have to pull it out of all the specials.
You'll never be able to get the First Edition again.
It is a great film, and I'm sending a signed card with each copy that goes out.
It's only available in combo deals right now.
But then the special edition final cut of Terror Storm.
We now have it in stock, but can't ship until the middle of next month.
You can pre-order Terror Storm.
17 extra minutes.
Absolutely mind-blowing.
Go watch the sneak peek on the website.
And that's all available at InfoWars.com.
And two big announcements.
I will be tomorrow night at Brave New Brooks at the end of the drag on Guadalupe, downtown Austin, or by the University area.
I call all that downtown.
It's not technically downtown.
And center of the city.
And plenty of parking around there in the area.
You may have to pay a couple bucks for it, but whatever.
There's some parking garages as well.
Uh, and you can park at the Dobie Parking Garage across the street, and, uh, it's just right there at the end of the drag on the south side of the drag.
Great facility, great people.
I'll be there giving a speech, showing about ten minutes of in-game, and, uh, signing documentaries and books.
They've been asking me to come down there.
Great folks.
I said, why not?
We're gonna do it.
We're gonna be there videotaping the speech, put it on the web as well.
And then the next night, I'm gonna show a little over an hour, I'm saying an hour, maybe more, of in-game.
Did you pop in my ear, John?
Okay, something just popped in.
They're in Minnesota, I'm in Texas.
People sometimes say, who are you talking to?
I don't hear them.
They're not real folks, they're on Pluto.
But going back, going back,
We're going to show an hour or so of in-game, about 30 minutes with the new 17 minutes of footage in that 30 minutes of Terror Storm final cut.
And I'm going to be, there'll be some surprises too.
I'll just let you know that.
So I hope to see you there Thursday night.
And we've always had every showing sell out.
People always get mad.
You better go to InfoWars.com and link through to the Alamo Show and get your tickets now.
Okay, uh, let's, uh, and I'd love it to be free, by the way, but I have to pay the theater to be there.
We forewall it, as they call it.
Okay, who do I got here from the illustrious crew?
Do we have, uh, Burmus and, uh, Avery?
Do we have, uh, Rowe as well?
No, man, he just got me and Jason.
Well, that's great.
Uh, how are you?
How you doing, Alex?
Man, there's too much happening.
What do you think of this Michael Moore stuff?
I'm going to bite my tongue on this one.
You know, Alex, I personally think it's great.
Bill is a little more hesitant, but the fact that he's talking about the Pentagon issues and explosions in the buildings of the World Trade Center is only a positive push, and it will continue to open more minds.
You know, they're not going to be able to stop that story on Dick.
Well, I mean, my point is, we know Michael Moore's not perfect, and I know years ago, I've talked to several Hollywood people who've had dinner with him.
He knows all about it.
He's put 9-11 truth links on his site before.
But, I mean, you know, better late than never, at least.
I mean, I understand I'm in no love affair with him as well, but, you know, he's going to get a lot of heat for this.
Dylan, I mean, do you have anything to say about it?
Well, no.
Like I said, well, actually, like Jason said, I'm glad to see that he's finally mentioning this stuff.
It just seems, I don't want to say too little too late.
I don't know.
I don't really know.
Let's see how it pans out.
I mean, I certainly agree with you, but again, better late than never.
Yeah, exactly.
Better late than never.
So, you know, good for him.
By the way, I saw a rough cut.
You guys aren't done until it's even better now, but it was incredibly powerful.
Just the first half of the film, you've got most of it done, but you're sweetening, adding new things.
Because you're going and still getting more interviews up to the minute,
This is huge, folks.
Just to fill you in, Dylan or Jason, just give them the background.
You've confirmed who it is.
He's well-known.
He was on television, hint, hint.
But he doesn't want to be known publicly until the film comes out.
He will reveal himself in the film.
It's just that he doesn't want... He's a high-level executive.
Well, Alex, here's the deal.
He's not a high-level executive, but when you see who this man is... Well, he's an executive at that company.
He was the boss.
Well, it wasn't a company.
See, this was somebody...
Who was called to the OEM building.
That's what I meant.
I don't want to give away too much.
You do it, you do it.
Yeah, I'll just explain how this came about.
Dylan and I had been looking for this guy for some time, didn't even know his name.
I had basically just watched hundreds of videos of eyewitnesses, explosions at the World Trade Center, and we came across this one.
And Dylan, why don't you tell people how you fished his name out?
I dug around, man.
I don't want to give away too many details.
And, um, the main reason that we don't want to give away too many details, you know, I read some comments on 9-11blogger, people were like, oh, this seems more like a sales technique than, you know, searching for the truth.
And that's not the case at all.
We're trying to keep this guy's life, you know, somewhat normal until the film comes out, because God knows when this man goes public and people know who this guy is, all hell's going to break loose in this guy's life.
Not only are people on our side going to be trying to track him down,
People like Mark Roberts are probably going to call him up and be like, well, I think you're lying and here's why.
This guy is now on record that day being in World Trade Center Building 7 with another individual.
Basically, we can prove without a shadow of a doubt that not only was he there,
Everything he's saying is true.
And I can say this with full confidence, because we've done our homework on him.
And not only that, he actually spoke to the 9-11 Commission, Alex.
So when Thomas Keane says that they don't have any evidence of explosions going off in World Trade Center 7, this guy sat down with them.
And we sent you a couple clips.
We're going to play a couple more tonight.
Basically he goes through an amazing account of what happens to him that day, and then later on goes into detail about how he told this story, how no one seemed to listen to him, and he didn't really care because he was telling the truth.
And it's just an amazing account, and like I said, we have him on video that day.
It's going to be a great lead-in, and it's really the knock-it-out-of-the-park interview that proves that Building 7 was demolished.
Exactly.
Gentlemen, all I can say is excellent detective work, Dylan and Jason and Corey, but Dylan, I mean, how good did it feel when you're watching all these hundreds of videos of police, security people, stuff, I mean, just massive, you know, info,
And then, boom, you're able to track him down and have it totally confirmed.
My only thing is, I understand why he doesn't want to go public now, because he doesn't want all the heat twice, because he would get all the clamoring calls and heat now, then he'd get it in a few months.
When the film comes out, I totally understand.
I'm just worried about the safety issue, but as long as you guys have got the video, frankly, I'm worried about your safety, but that will make you a little safer, I guess, by at least
Playing the audio and, you know, privately, some people you can trust knowing who his name is and who he is.
Plus, if people do real detective work, they can track down the video clips out there and who this is.
So I'm not second-guessing, not releasing it, but I know why people are doing that.
But now that I understand, you know, the angle of the enemies out there going after him, trying to make him renege, that is a real threat.
So maybe you guys are right.
Well, that's what we're trying to keep this as low-key as possible.
And like you said, the publicity twice would just be crushing.
This guy's a family man.
I mean, he's literally just a few years away from retirement.
And like I said, when people find out who this guy is, it is going to blow the lid off this thing.
There is no doubt that Building 7 was rigged with bombs.
Explosions took place before the demolition at 520.
And when you play the clip, you'll find out this guy goes up to the Office of Emergency Management on the 23rd floor, where it was literally manned shortly before he got up there.
But play the clip.
And it'll speak for itself.
Well, I'll tell you what, tell us as much as you can, because jabbering to you last night, while you're on the cell phone, you know, jabbering this morning, I get things confused.
Well, Alex, let's just play the clip.
I mean, he says it better than Bruce and I ever do.
Yeah, it's a 90-second clip, and it'll go over right up to the point of the first explosion, and then we'll take it from there.
Yeah, because we've got two clips, right?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, let's play the first clip.
Here it is.
I was asked to go and man the Office of Emergency Management at the World Trade Center 7 on the 23rd floor.
As I arrived there, there were police all in the lobby.
They showed me the way to the elevator.
We got up to the 23rd floor.
We couldn't get in.
We had to go back down.
Then security and police took us to the freight elevators, where they took us back up and we did get in.
Upon arriving into the OEM EOC, we noticed that everybody was gone.
I saw coffee that was on the desk.
The smoke was still coming off the coffee.
I saw half-eaten sandwiches.
And after I called several individuals, one individual told me that
To leave and leave right away.
So I came running back in and said, we're the only ones up here.
We got to get out of here.
He found the stairwell.
So we subsequently went to the stairwell and we're going down the stairs.
When we reached the eighth or the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way.
There was an explosion and the landing gave way.
And I was left there hanging.
I had to climb back up and now I had to walk back up to the eighth floor.
After getting to the 8th floor, everything was dark.
Well, I'm just confused about one thing, and one thing only.
Why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place.
I'm very confused about that.
I know what I heard.
I heard explosions.
The explanation I got was, it was the fuel oil tank.
I'm an old boiler guy.
If it was a fuel oil tank, it would have been one side of the building.
When I got to that lobby, the lobby was totally destroyed.
It looked like King Kong had came through it and stepped on it.
And it was so destroyed, I didn't know where I was.
And it was so destroyed, they had to take me out through a hole in the wall.
A makeshift hole that I believe the fire department made to get me out.
And that's basically both clips right there, Alex.
And he follows it up by saying, you know, they were stepping over bodies and the firemen were literally telling them not to look down.
That dispels the no loss of life in Building 7 theory.
He discusses also with us how, while he was trapped on those floors, he was talking to firemen prior to both collapses of the World Trade Center Towers 1 and 2.
As each building collapsed, they ran away from it.
You know, as everybody did.
You know, so those explosions that he got trapped on the 8th floor happened before both towers fell.
He heard many other explosions during the whole thing.
The entire lobby was blown up.
There were dead bodies in Building 7.
And none of that is a part of any official count of the story.
Now let's be clear.
This is an explosion before Tower 1 and 2 even fall.
That's what's key about this.
That's absolutely right.
Now stay there, because Steve Watson is going to write an article about this.
That's why I want to debrief you about as much as you can say, or what I can say from our private conversations.
I don't want to drop the ball on this.
Dylan and Jason stay with us.
And tonight, on their show, right here on GCN, they're going to play even more of the clips.
This has got my heart beating fast.
Folks, this is so big and it's dangerous.
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Alright, let's go back to our guest.
Dylan Avery.
You know, these are young men and they live under incredible stress.
And, you know, Corey is a battle-hardened combat vet at two different theaters.
And Dylan was, you know, what, 22 years old when he got into all this, or 23, I forget.
And Jason Bermas, and they're just doing an exemplary job.
And they've been real quiet the last few months, you've noticed, because they've been busy little bumblebees.
But I assure them, they're under surveillance, and they know that, and we're under surveillance, and there's no way to fully keep this secret, so they have to bring out as much as they've had now.
It's really a catch-22 for safety.
Because the type of interview they've got,
It's the type of interview that sends men in black with silencer submachine guns to your house.
Okay?
And then you hear there was a gas explosion.
By doing this, they are a lot safer, and so is this gentleman.
I understand it's a catch-22 of release it, don't release it.
We'll see, but it's not going to be a travesty if it leaks out.
People are pretty smart.
But we'll see what happens.
We'll be careful.
What specifically, to contain this and make sure the news gets out that you have it, so it doesn't endanger this guy with the public or the crazies or whatever.
Specifically, what can Steve Watson put in the article today?
Well, he can basically say that we have an eyewitness that was in the World Trade Center Building 7 prior to both collapses.
He witnessed a explosion on the sixth floor, literally almost died there.
He talked to the firefighters before both towers went down, watched them run away, walked over bodies in the lobby, and, you know, was taken out by the fire department.
I mean, he also tells us that when he got out there, the fire department told him that he needed to get 20 blocks up, and this guy's knees were blown out at the time.
And he's like, I can't walk 20 blocks.
And he said, well, you better crawl, because explosions are still happening.
So, you know, that just ties into what Morse said.
A lot of these firefighters know there were secondary explosions.
They know they haven't been told the truth.
And it's just so obvious that, you know, 7 was demolished in on itself.
Now, roughly, what time was he in the command center when he saw the half-eaten sandwich, the smoking coffee?
I think that's prior to the second plane impact, right, Dillon?
That is prior, because he was in the building.
Because, my God, guys, I mean, you know you're literally sitting on a giant stack of dynamite right now?
Absolutely, and that's why we've taken the precautions to secure other copies in case something does happen to the original.
And this is going to see the light of day at some point, and we hope it's with the final cut of this film, because like I said, this guy's a family guy.
He was very gracious to us.
He was very aware of our work.
I mean, we went in there very skittish, Alex.
We tracked this guy down, not sure exactly what he was going to say.
I had an idea.
That's what real police investigators do.
You knock on doors, and you never know when somebody's going to spill their guts.
Stay there, man.
Folks, you're not going to believe who this guy is.
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Absolutely incredible.
I've seen the workings of it, the preliminaries, and now it's much more advanced, and we've got to hook up soon so I can see these interviews, but this stuff's so secure I'm going to have to travel to New York just to see it.
But just absolutely amazing, folks.
Someone involved at the highest levels being sent to the security area of the bunker with a city official, high level,
The Showtime is 7 to 9 Central, 8 to 10 Eastern, and basically you're just going to hear what me and Dylan talked about.
We're probably going to play
We're going to play the two clips that you played here and we'll probably play another 30 to 90 second clip of his experience going through the lobby and possibly with the 9-11 Commission itself.
But I mean, this is a 20 minute interview, this guy is straight up, I mean, he literally has the key to the city, Alex.
I mean, it's wild.
And you know, this is exactly what the 9-11 Truth Movement needed.
There can be no doubt, World Trade Center Building 7 was rigged with explosives prior to the plane hitting.
And they exploded, and it blew up at 520 in a controlled demolition.
I mean, the people that try to debunk that, I mean, they have to say tricky things like, up to 25% of the building is scooped out.
So really, it doesn't have to be 25%.
It could be 5% or 10% or even less than that.
But it's not even that.
Like, one little corner had a little bit of damage.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, there was blast damage in the back of the building.
I suspect that's probably from this massive explosion that this individual
Experience that day.
You know, it coincides with the fires on the 7th and 11th floors.
He was in the elevator when it blew up.
Absolutely not.
He was actually in the staircase because they couldn't get down the elevator.
Basically, when he came in, World Trade Center Building 7 already had police officers all in it.
When they went up into the regular elevator, he was unable to get access to the OEM.
He went back down.
When they came up in the freight elevator, the police who escorted him left with that freight elevator.
Now that's the Office of Emergency Management, the FEMA Command Bunker.
That's right.
Also known as Giuliani's Bunker.
That's right.
And, uh, so they actually had to take the staircase and he, you know, he basically said, uh, because the other guy was slower, he saved his life because they would have been, uh, either on the 6th floor or below when that explosion took place.
Is he scared?
You know,
I don't know if he's scared, but he's very concerned.
He's concerned that, you know, how people are going to view this, how much his life might change when this goes public.
But at the same time, he had seen the second edition of our film, and he was a fan.
Now that's incredible.
You contact him, and boom, he's already awake.
Yeah, it was pretty amazing.
You know, me and Dylan were sitting there, small-talking with him.
I know you guys are smart.
But you better know this, this one is dangerous.
And I don't know, you better put your heads together.
I guess you've thought this out since you got this interview last week.
When did you get this last week?
Uh, what was it, Tuesday, Dylan?
Tuesday.
Yeah, Tuesday.
Well, just make, I know you've got it all over the country and a few other spots, but I would, uh, I would, uh, get that out to people like, well, you know what to do.
I mean, this is just very explosive.
And, uh, obviously, I think letting some of it leak out keeps you safe, because, guaranteed, the government knows.
Uh, going fully public, uh, will probably be the greatest protection, but at the same time, then, they could really intimidate him or threaten his family and try to extract some recant.
I don't know.
You'll have to really put your heads together, because I've got a pretty good brain when it comes to this stuff, and I am conflicted, to say the least.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
We are now eight minutes into this third and final hour.
Huge Michael Moore developments on 9-11.
Huge!
Even dwarfing the Michael Moore situation.
Building seven developments.
We're going to play those clips a little bit later in the show, but again, this is all extremely delicate, all of this, and
We're talking to Dylan Avery and we're talking to Jason Bermas.
Gentlemen, anything else that needs to be added?
Any other facets that need to be added about this whole bombshell development?
I'd just like to point out that guerrilla journalism has grown so much in the past few years that it's actually given us the opportunity to get interviews like that, and I would just like to encourage everybody out there to do the same thing we're doing.
I mean, WeAreChange.org, Student Scholars for 9-11 Truth, your guys confronting Michael Moore.
We need to keep it up, and we just need to keep active.
Well, when I started doing guerrilla journalism 12 years ago, it was, I'm not claiming I'm the father of it, but it was literally unknown.
I mean, reporters didn't go up and accost people, they didn't go up and get in, or they didn't go get guerrilla interviews, they didn't have a venue to put it out.
And when I started doing this, I was editing on a reel-to-reel, you know, three-quarter-inch, you know, hand-splice deal, and now just look at the exponential change.
I mean, Tony Blair came out and said, let's regulate free speech, shut down the free web.
They're panicking, aren't they?
Well, they better panic, because we're able to get this information out at a lightning speed, and it really does end up taking on a life of its own.
I mean, you saw what happened when Giuliani was confronted with his prior knowledge of the building collapse, and how it worked its way into his, you know, promo-man-lying-yet-again form, and actually arresting somebody for asking a question.
I mean, these things snowball into a movement.
And that movement is to get an independent investigation into 9-11, so we can sit there and watch these war criminals be prosecuted and punished for their crimes.
Dylan, your comments on the... I mean, we say it all the time, but I don't think people really consciously realize it.
Give me your angle on how the alternative media is just, with you guys leading at the forefront, is just going supernova every day.
Yeah, man, we definitely are the new media, and I think both
Both independent media and both the 9-11 Truth Movement has made leaps and bounds since day one.
And I don't think it's going to slow down at any point soon.
Now I'm going to get back into the huge developments you guys have broke, but I don't want to keep you too much longer.
We don't hear a lot from you guys because you're so busy getting interviews, putting the film together, and I've been honored and blessed to be in the position to be able to see this as it grows and develops.
It's just been a wonderful
That's what it's looking like.
And like you said, it is a catch-22 because we are so eager to get this movie out there.
People don't understand
Dylan?
Um, Burma said it best, man.
I'm sorry, I got a cold.
I don't feel too good.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
How was, uh, how was Tennessee?
It was great, man.
It was definitely great.
Yeah, it was a good time.
It was a nice little, uh, nice little breather.
I actually, on another front, got to meet Tom Morello of, uh, Rage Against the Machine.
I handed him a copy of Loose Change, second edition.
And I hope he watches it.
You know, that's another thing you can do.
Uh, you know, celebrities, unfortunately, reach more people than CIA agents or physicists.
Well, I mean, that's why this Michael Moore thing is so important, because he's such an icon for the left.
If he starts saying, yeah, explosions in the buildings, yeah, the Pentagon's impossible, yeah, there's a cover-up, I mean, that right there, that is huge!
And I think that the reason that he's talking about it now is because Cindy Sheehan has went public on your show and discussed the fact that, you know, she's watched Loose Change, she thinks it looked like a controlled demolition, she has her own questions about the NORAD standout, and, you know, she was a pretty big supporter of Moore and they've done some events together and met several times, so, you know, we just keep pushing them over like dominoes, Alex.
Well, that's right.
Their base is literally disintegrating and coming over to the side of truth, just like mainline conservatives are blowing out their paradigm and just becoming freedom fighters, constitutionalists, freedom lovers, truthers, bigger than 9-11 truth.
We're just into truth.
We're into what's happening.
And I tell you, this is a David versus Goliath story.
What I've been able to do, what you guys have been able to do, what everybody in the alternative media, 9-11 Truth, has been able to do, I mean, just the story, and that's why it really captures people's imagination, of three young guys, really starting with one, just Dylan, being able to put out a film like Loose Change 1 and 2, now the final cut coming out, all of this, you know, international media firestorm, and now bigger and bigger interviews, and the people you go and you reach out to, high-level people, you find out know all about it,
And those bridges are there.
It shows we have made, with God's help, inroads that are just mind-blowing.
That's absolutely true, Alex.
It's just a testament to, well, one person, two people, three people, you know, four people, five people can do.
It's unbelievable.
You've got to realize ain't nobody ever got none who didn't raise their voice and push.
And that's what we're trying to do.
We're raising our voice and we're pushing the only way we know how, and that's making good movies.
Now, how do folks support you in the interim?
You're not even really out there with any capital.
I've tried to support you guys.
Can folks go to the Loose Change website and buy some of the DVDs?
Well, they can always get a 10-pack for $40, so they can hand them out to their friends.
They can get the hard copy in a case for $20.
We, of course, have the Investigate 9-11 shirts.
We've got bumper stickers.
We've got Investigate 9-11 stamps.
You know, really just the gorilla merchandise to get out there and
Well, while we were at Bonnaroo, we were literally taking loose change bumper stickers and InfoWars bumper stickers and plastering them all over the urinals, because you know everybody's got to go to the bathroom.
You know, you've got to be, you've got to use your mind.
You have to know what people are going to be, and you can reach people through symbolism.
You guys were sticking InfoWars stickers up?
I'm touched.
You know what, Alex?
Somebody sent us like a 500 loose change stickers.
We've been sticking them in the packages we send out.
Yeah, send me some more.
I'll put them in the packages.
Well guys, I want to talk to you during the break in about three minutes and I'm going to let you go and get back to your work.
So I don't have to call Dylan and you up today and have another meeting because I haven't really talked to you guys except on the phone last night and this morning since you got back from Tennessee and since you got back from New York.
But I do want to talk to you about one or two issues.
Not really, man.
I gotta get back to work.
Yeah, I am.
Well, that's good.
I'll talk to you in just a moment, my friend, and we'll let both of you go.
Burnham, it's going out to break here in a minute or two.
Again, it's just mind-blowing to me to see that you guys got an interview this big, and I guarantee you there's going to be more and more of this happening.
Absolutely, and it's just like the domino effect I talked about earlier, Alex.
As people see more prominent people going public and telling their true experience about 9-11, it will domino to people that were actually in on the war games, which I believe were the operational arm of this attack.
You know, it's only a matter of time till it just snowballs until you can't stop people from going public.
And I think we've already reached the snowball point.
I think it's the point of no return was crossed when Charlie Sheen went public.
Everybody saw his courage, knew he was putting himself on the line, and I'm sure the establishment knows that almost all of Hollywood's awake.
So many military officers I've talked to privately, I mean retired two-star, three-star generals, conservatives know.
Now, I mean, my God, this is just... When do you think the total breaking point will be?
Honestly, I do think it'll be after the administration leaves.
I think it's irrelevant whether Republicans or Democrats take the presidency in 2008.
I think once that happens, and once Kucinich's investigation gets off the ground this September, I mean, he's claiming he's going to do it.
Let's see what he brings up.
I'm hoping at the very least.
He brings up Cheney's stand-down order.
We'll see.
Well, I agree with Michael Moore, though, that, I mean, I hope you're right, that, you know, before this gets too old, he's got Fahrenheit Part 2 coming out, which could be a 9-11 truth movie, we're told.
Before this gets too old, that they could, or another big terror attack, God forbid, happens, which they may do just a smokescreen 9-11 truth, but then that could backfire on them, too.
Absolutely.
I don't think that they'll be able to carry out another terror attack in this country.
I mean, there's the possibility of, you know, south of the border or maybe even Canada.
Possibly Europe.
I don't see them attacking.
They've used Europe quite a few times.
People are getting hip to their tricks over there.
So I think that we have a small window.
Obviously, I'm not going to be too cocky about it.
We're still pushing to get this movie done as quickly as possible.
But it's limited.
It's not going to take the 13 years it took.
Well, I agree that they're using the 40-50-year-old model of propaganda.
It's not working.
They're using JFK-style propaganda when they killed the president.
And just like Bruce Willis said, the same people that killed JFK are in power today.
I mean, when Bruce Willis wakes up, who totally served them, it's over for him.
I mean, he is a real canary in the coal mine for their biggest supporters waking up.
Absolutely.
I mean, the man is literally in live free or die hard this summer, which I'm sure will be a terrorist propaganda picture.
I can't imagine it being anything else.
I'm sure it's going to be going after the terrorists.
And, you know, the guy's an action hero that has served the establishment for so long, and now he's finally speaking up against them.
Absolutely.
Gentlemen, I'm going to talk to you during the break and then let you go.
There goes Jason Burmiss and Dylan Avery of LooseChange911.com.
I'm Alex Jones.
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