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Big Brother.
Mainstream media.
Government cover-ups.
You want answers?
Well, so does he.
He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, big broadcast lined up for you on this live Wednesday edition, the 11th day already of January 2006.
We'll be here for the next three hours.
We've got Dr. Dennis Cuddy, expert on the New World Order, joining us to talk about cover-ups, government spin, and the truth.
And we'll also...
We'll get into the faith-based initiatives, taking over the churches.
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It's now moving forward for psychological testing and drugging.
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Now they're trying to implement that.
We'll also get into the war on terror, the whole New World Order structure, you name it, in the second hour.
Then in the third hour, my good buddy, talk show host on this network, Pastor Butch Paw.
And of course he himself was in military intelligence over in Vietnam in some countries they weren't even supposed to be in.
Just an interesting character on that level which we've never gotten him to talk about.
Maybe he'll talk a little bit about what he did in Cambodia today.
But he's a pastor in West Virginia and somewhat controversial because he actually reads the Bible and actually tries to follow it.
And we'll be talking about what he calls the pulpit prostitutes.
And their 501c3 status and how the church has been taken over and the war and the New World Order and all of it in the third hour.
Interesting fella.
Always a great guest.
You don't want to miss that coming up in the third hour today.
We will also, we didn't take any calls yesterday because I had two guests, Paul Watson, and also had a professor on, a historian on about Andrew Jackson, one of the lesser-known presidents, though he's probably the most influential and, quote, greatest president we've ever had.
The greatest effect is what I predominantly mean by that.
So that is coming up, of course, later in the show.
We will talk to Dr. Dennis Cuddy and Pastor Butch Paul as well.
A lot of news here.
Oh boy.
Report MS-13 gang hired to murder Border Patrol.
And this is out of the Daily Bulletin.
And I remember talking to one of the chief Border Patrol officers in Texas about eight years ago, and he said they had bounties on their heads.
And this is really old news, but it's now hitting mainstream news.
Also, Bush planned war with Iraq long before 9-11 attacks.
New evidence emerges of this to the...
To the plethora, the galaxy of other eyewitnesses, from himself to Dick Cheney saying it in their own writings, to their own biographer, to the Secretary of the Treasury, to security advisors.
Well, now they've got campaign...
We're good to go.
You see, if they're there decades, $2 trillion.
If they were there a few weeks and actually got rid of Saddam, only $100 billion or so.
Now, what would you rather have as a globalist?
$100 billion or $2 trillion?
I don't know.
What would you want?
100 bill or two trill?
What's bigger?
Iraq braces for civil war, and basically they're already in civil war.
We'll get into that report.
And I want to go back to Senator Frank Church and the NSA could enable a dictator to impose total tyranny.
Frank Church was one of the greater senators in modern history, and he exposed a lot of the police state things that are going on.
So we'll go back over some of his famous quotes today.
When we get into National Security Agency mounted massive spy op on Baltimore Peace Group documents show.
No connection to foreign groups.
And the new Supreme Court nominee said yesterday that the president is not above the law, but in past documents he says he is.
So we'll get into that.
And the New York Times writer that got killed, he'd written an article about Bush being above the law.
And evidence is starting to show it was a hit of some type, meant to look like a mugging.
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, into the second segment.
We're now 8 minutes 30 seconds into this first hour.
Again, Dr. Dennis Cuddy, expert on the New World Order.
They tried to recruit him back in the 60s to work for them.
Great author and lecturer, researcher joining us in the second hour, Pastor Butch Paw in the third.
Let's plunge into the news.
First off, I'm pleased that ABC News yesterday ran the headline on the nightly news on Monday, had a piece calling it the war on the Texas border.
They called it a war.
And when you've got...
Now, I haven't seen the numbers in two months, but in the first ten months of 2005, in the first ten months, there were 800-plus dead Americans and Mexicans on the U.S.
and Mexico side, right along the border in Nuevo Laredo and, of course, on Laredo on the Texas side.
It's twin cities there, really one city with a river running through the middle of it, much like London.
Now, why am I getting into topography?
The point is that the State Department has issued now four warnings in the last year, since last year.
Four warnings in the last 12 months or so saying don't go into those regions of South Texas and reporting that statistically it is more dangerous than areas of Israel like the West Bank.
I mean, 800 dead, 15 of them law enforcement, what you used to call peace officers, on the U.S.
Hundreds of U.S.
citizens kidnapped, held for ransom.
I mean, imagine if, say, in New York City or in Mobile, Alabama or Pensacola, Florida or somewhere else, 54 Americans were kidnapped at a pop.
And taken to a garage and held at gunpoint by drug dealers, predominantly who were Los Zetas Mexican government commandos.
You would think that would be big news, and you'd never hear the end of it.
Well, we've got to have troops on the border.
We've got to have tattletale squads everywhere.
We've got to be searching cars everywhere.
Military armed camp.
It's a war.
It was mentioned maybe on Lou Dobbs, ABC News, just small blurbs.
I mean, that was just one event of hundreds.
And again, car bombs in Dallas, car bombs in South Texas, cars being machine gunned, cars blowing up, murders right here in Austin.
I talk a lot about this because it shows how if they want to shut something off in the media, if they want to ignore it, then your neighbor, I mean, I talk to neighbors, smart people,
They don't know anything about it.
Cops don't know what one of the biggest threats to them is.
You know, violent threats out there.
The number one threat is their own driving and hanging out in the middle of the highway and pulling people over.
But after all of those threats, then it's being shot or stabbed or beaten.
I mean, cops know what the threats are to them.
And the number one threat in Texas and now in Arizona and other areas is the illegal aliens, is the coyote smugglers, is the criminal gangs that have bounties out on your heads.
We're good to go.
I think?
And he said, oh yeah, there's bounties on our heads.
They're $25,000 to $100,000.
I think it's more than our people are worth.
And made a joke out of it.
Of course, that went right back to me.
But this is the type of stuff that is going on.
But no, the cop's got to get all jittery when he pulls you over with his family, and he's got to put his hand on his gun and act all paranoid and freak out on you.
Meanwhile, because he's been told to be afraid of the general public, he hasn't been told, she hasn't been told, to be afraid of the illegal alien invasion.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
And then it's actually being funded by our own government.
And then the Mexican government says, how dare you try to make anything illegal with illegal aliens?
How dare you try to enforce anything?
You better let more of our, quote, migrants in.
They have a right.
Our territory extends into Tejas and New Mexico and Nevada and Arizona and California.
What, before France had it, and then Spain had it, and then Spain was about to sell it to Texas, about to sell it to the U.S., Andrew Jackson, and then you had a dictator take over, who later got overthrown by her own people.
I mean, Mexico has no claim to Texas.
The Mexicans that lived here, who helped write the Constitution, who fought in the war, are just as Texan or more Texan than white people or black people or polka-dotted people that live here.
And if you're a Mexican and say you're a Texan, then you are a Texan.
You're more a Texan than I am, if your family was here before my family.
But there were only, what, about 6,000 Mexicans in Texas?
Do you realize, folks, how no one was here because of the Comanche movement?
And because of the other, the Creek Indians and the rest of it, I mean, that's why Mexico actually, when it was Spain, came to the Tennesseans and other quite violent individuals, well known for willing to fight, and said, will you please come in?
Because Spain was about to just sell it to anybody that wanted it, because they couldn't get anything out of it.
So now...
We're good to go.
The establishment, the corporations, want to turn us all against each other and don't want us to live in peace and want to balkanize and break up this country.
Now, folks, that is just the facts.
It's that simple.
I mean, if you actually know history, France had Texas first.
Spain had no dibs on it, and it went back and forth.
And again, we were about to buy it from them.
If anybody could say that they owned this property, it would be the Native Americans, the Aborigines.
They really have a reason to be mad.
And frankly, the Aborigines of Mexico have lost their identity and call themselves Mexicans.
When in truth, all they are, are the once, and frankly still enslaved, indigenous populations by the Empire of Spain, and then Santa Ana, and then all the other emperors and viceroys and pimps that came along.
I mean, Mexico itself was in the hands of France, Germany, Spain, everybody else.
But again, the average American doesn't know history, the average Mexican doesn't know history, so it's just unbelievable.
It's unbelievable, and I'm not going to put up with it.
So, I'm sorry, I'm now ranting on a history lesson here.
They're stealing your heritage.
I want Hispanics in Texas to know this, and Arizona to Mexico, California.
You're having your heritage stolen as Texans, as Californians, as Americans.
And just because somebody in the past may have tried to tell you you didn't have heritage here, you do.
Probably more than anybody else has claimed to, as natives, as having aboriginal blood, Native American blood.
And then, let me tell you who has the land.
It's who occupies it and who builds it and who works it.
And so, you know, now we're being told that, oh, just be friendly, oh, let the immigrant population in, we're just, we come in peace, and then meanwhile you turn over on the dial to the Spanish stations and it's a takeover, it's commencing, ah, yes, we're going to get you, you know, the planet of San Diego, you'll all be exterminated.
And of course, that is a minority of Hispanics.
But that is what gets the major funding.
That is what gets pushed by the corporations.
And so I'm just sitting here trying to live in peace, and I'm hearing a certain group with major globalist funding.
I mean, again, you know the globalists are bad, folks.
You know George Bush is bad.
Why is he for amnesty?
Why is he for open borders?
Why is Bill Clinton for it?
Why is the U.N.
for it?
Because the globalists want to bring America down.
They want to break it up for corporate interest.
You know, they're telling all these poor immigrants that they're going to get all this money and power once they've reconquered the Southwest.
And I mean, if you believe that, I got a bridge I want to sell you.
You're going to get less.
A little bit of opportunity you could have had in America is going to be gone.
We're all going to be on the colonies.
We're all going to be on the plantation, brother.
And I say, brother, I don't care what shade your skin is.
Why do you think the feds fund the white supremacists?
Just hundreds of cases we've documented, literally hundreds.
Why do they fund the La Rica and Quista Mexican supremacists?
Why do they fund the black supremacists?
Because they want us all at each other's throats, just like they played the natives off against each other.
Whatever the dominant group is, the globalists are going to play them off against each other.
Any empire, any encroaching group is going to do that.
So, we are the people.
We're the average Joe Schmo.
Whether you're black or white, they're putting cancer viruses in your vaccines.
They're poisoning your water.
They're taking your private property.
They're trying to force drug your kids.
They're trying to give you a national ID card.
No matter what color you are.
So what do they do?
What do the controllers do?
They play us all off against each other.
Because they couldn't stand five minutes against us if we got together and defeated the new world order.
Then if we all want to kill each other, then we can do that later.
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Look, I'm not defending Saddam Hussein, who was created by the globalists.
I'm not defending what happened in Serbia with Tito or then after him, Slobodan Milosevic.
But the reason the globalists didn't like them is they had their own industries, they were industrializing, they had their own universities, women were free.
In both countries, women were graduating from college more than men.
More doctors, more lawyers, more scientists.
That freaks the New World Order out.
And you could go to Iraq in the 80s, right up until the 1990s, and it was rock and roll music.
English was the second language.
Jews and Christians were totally left alone.
And the globalist, and actually Brzezinski says this on the Grand Chessboard, co-founder of the Trilateral Commission, National Security Advisor, he says we don't want strong countries.
If a country's good and independent, we're going to go in and kill their leaders and fund revolutions to actually put bad people in.
If they're bad, then even better.
You know, again, I'm not saying that these other countries are, quote, rogue, these 65 countries that the PNAC boys say they want to invade.
I'm not saying they're good or bad.
They're good, bad, and ugly, as the old spaghetti western tells it.
You know, the point is, whether they're good or bad, they're not under globalist control.
And anything that is under globalist control is good for you and me.
Because when the globalists get total world dominion, their open plan is one-child policies, forced abortions.
China is the model, folks.
And under Mao alone, they killed 60 million people.
30 million by starvation.
30 million at their own hands.
I mean, you can go read that in this month's National Geographic.
It's even admitted there.
I mean, the Chinese government admits it, but then gives excuses for it.
So for all the little gangbangers and all the people that are, you know, wanting to reconquist, I mean, just realize where your propaganda, where your theology, where your whole nomenclature, where your whole, it's not even theology, that's your whole legend, you know, just your whole false view, your whole liberation theology is the proper term.
It's a corporate manufactured system.
What does the UN do in Africa?
I think?
We're good to go.
And I had two big CIA analysts and covert operators, one of them a CIA commander on last week, running whole operations, saying, yeah, that's really what's happening, yes.
Yeah, that's the plan.
I mean, that's what they state.
I mean, it's not like it's... See, on the national news, they just want to have happiness and love and the women having freedom in Iraq.
In truth, the burqas are going back on them.
In truth, there's even more of that stuff now going on in Afghanistan.
It was all manufactured bull.
They want them balkanized.
They don't want them strong.
They don't want them independent.
And it's that simple.
I mean, now there's a seven-time fold what there was before 9-11 of opium flooding out of Afghanistan.
Then the globalists openly have said they want the opposite in Iraq.
They don't.
You know, neocons go on the radio and go, well, there's record lows of oil in the last 50 years flowing out of Iraq.
All these liberal liars say that we wanted oil.
Well, if we wanted oil, it'd be flowing.
No, that's not right.
Do you make more of something if it's scarce or if it's plentiful?
What did they get mad at Saddam for in the late 80s?
Stop over pumping.
You're driving down the price.
Knock it off.
And he's like, no, I got $30 billion debt to pay back to the U.S.
I got other debts to pay.
I'm going to pay my debts.
He wanted to be sovereign and independent.
And they said, buddy, we put you in.
You do what we say.
And so it all started.
They tricked him into attacking Kuwait.
And again, I'm not defending or debating Saddam Hussein.
It even shows how evil the globalists are that they actually put him in, but it didn't go the way they wanted to.
It's just like with Kennedy.
He was their man, and he didn't do what they wanted to.
So whether he was good, bad, or indifferent, or ugly, or whatever, warts and all, they took him out.
Because he didn't play patty cake with them.
He didn't scratch their back.
He didn't, when they said jump, ask, yes, master, how high?
And so we get this report here.
MS-13 gang hired to murder Border Patrol.
Daily Bulletin.
Mexican alien smugglers plan to pay...
Violent gang members and smuggled them into the United States to murder Border Patrol agents and they just run right back across.
And the Sente Fox is behind this.
According to confidential Department of Homeland Security memo obtained by the Daily Bulletin.
The Officer Safety Alert, dated December 21st, this is like the fifth one I've seen, warns agents that the smugglers intend to bring members of the International Mara Street Gang, also known as MS-13, to the country for a deadly mission.
Unidentified Mexican alien smugglers are angry about the increased security along the Mexico border and are agreed to the best way to deal with the U.S.
Border Patrol agents is to hire a group of contract killers.
We'll be right back.
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Get off the subject of the Los Zetas, Special Forces, killing cops.
It isn't they're going to kill them.
They've already killed 15 in the first 10 months of last year, and I haven't looked up the numbers since then.
I mean, 15 U.S.
Feds, locals, sheriffs, deputies.
I mean, they're killing you.
But it doesn't matter.
You're too busy trying to get my guns or out writing tickets for no reason with your radar guns.
It's just mindlessness.
You know, the Viper teams are in Houston and Dallas and searching people randomly on the street looking for Al-CIA to...
So I'm done talking about that.
I might get a little bit more into it later.
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That's why he's being pushed.
And so we'll get into that.
Also, was the New York Times David Rosenbaum assassinated?
I think so.
I think so.
But he could have just been mugged and killed in New York.
That's certainly nothing new there.
The world will probably never know, but it is interesting.
If hundreds of reporters in the U.S.
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Stop procrastinating.
None of us can take care of it all.
None of us can stop eating all the GMO food.
It's almost impossible.
None of us can stop breathing the toxins in the air.
None of us can stop doing everything or stop always putting a cell phone up to our head.
It is admittedly deadly.
We're good to go.
She'll call you right back.
Debbie, thank you so much.
Thank you, Alex.
I'll talk to you soon.
You bet.
We'll talk to you soon.
Listen, I believe in it, and you're crazy if you don't do it.
Thanks for sitting there for five minutes while we talked about that.
Again, I mean, my wife does use a hands-free with a cell phone, and she's got that Blackberry or Blueberry or whatever the newest thing's called.
I've got an old phone because I won't take the new ones that track me down to the exact place I'm at.
Plus, my old phone works literally five times better than other people's.
I mean, it works where other people's don't work.
It never cuts out to speak of.
It's just wonderful.
And no, I'm not about to pitch cell phones.
I'm just talking about another pet peeve of mine.
I'm an idiot.
I buy the little wires.
I always lose them or they get stuck in the door or they break with a little wire.
I've read the studies.
It still sends some of the microwave energy down the wire directly into your skull, but it's very low compared to holding it up against your head.
But don't stick it between your legs either.
You'll be like the cops who get testicular cancer or ovarian cancer from that.
I don't know why I lost my wire about two months ago and haven't gone and bought another.
You know, I lose sunglasses.
I lose those little wires.
I lose stuff a lot because I'm always so busy or doing stuff or break stuff on accident.
Sometimes on purpose.
I get mad.
But seriously, why are we all still sticking cell phones to our heads?
Why is my dad doing it?
Why is my wife doing it sometimes?
Why am I doing it?
Why are my employees doing it?
Why do I see you doing it?
Why do I see five-year-olds with cell phones now?
Eight-year-olds with cell phones.
Or that's not true.
Ten-year-olds with cell phones at the mall.
Why can't we stop it?
Why can't we stop drinking the aspartame diet cokes?
I mean, I don't drink them, but the point is, it's in 9,000 foods now.
Why don't we read the labels?
Why do we eat GMO food, which admittedly is causing six times the fetal death in mammals, in studies they've done?
Why do we sleep while our beds are burning, as some rock and roll song says?
I mean, why is this happening?
Because we're born into it.
It's incremental.
We get habits doing it.
Why do we smoke cigarettes?
I don't smoke anymore.
I've smoked on and off.
Well, we know it gives us lung cancer.
But, I mean, still, at least a cell phone isn't addictive.
The radiation to the head isn't addictive.
At least I don't think it is.
Maybe it is.
Aspartame is addictive.
We know a lot of people know it's deadly, but keep bringing it.
It's wood alcohol.
Poisons are addictive, folks.
A lot of the old poisons were just, you know, toxins.
War heavy metals, things of that nature.
Why can't we stop it?
I just, you know, to my own self, why can't we stop it?
And that's a question we've got to ask ourselves.
Why are you on a cell phone right now?
You know, why do I do it?
Why am I an idiot?
I just... Alex Jones, stop it!
Go to the store today and buy yourself another wire and stop sticking the phone up to your head.
Well, it just sounds better when I don't and it's easier.
Yeah, when you get that big fat brain tumor, Alex, it's going to be easier.
We've got to get conscious and just... You're not going to stop doing everything overnight.
You know, with bad habits, we tend to think we've just got to quit it all overnight.
I have started eating mainly organic food
I have, you know, totally stopped eating fast food in the last few years.
I have cut way back on the amount of meat I eat, not because meat's bad, but because it's so dangerous now, the stuff that's in it.
You know, a lot of these cows are eating alpha-toxins and grains, and that just gets passed right on to you.
You know, alpha-toxins gets in dog foods.
Look at the big dog food recall right now, and all these dead dogs.
I mean, the point is that there's a lot of bad stuff going on, and we've got to start getting aware of it.
All right, that's enough.
It's just another one of my pet peeves, because, I mean, I do it.
Again, I'm not preaching at you.
I'm a moron, just like you are.
Bush planned war with Iraq long before 9-1-1 attacks.
This is Capitol Hill Blue, and again, most of this has already been out in the news.
President George W. Bush began planning a war with Iraq before he took office on January 20, 2001, and long before the 9-11 terrorist attacks gave him the excuse he needed to push American intelligence agencies to fabricate evidence of Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction, and plotted with Osama bin Laden to attack America.
Bush knew from the get-go that he wanted to invade Iraq.
It was on his mind before the election, and campaign aides say he was obsessed with getting Saddam.
I think.
I think.
Others tell similar stories that terrorist attacks weren't the reason Bush invaded Iraq.
They provided the excuse.
We will confront weapons of mass destruction so that a new century is spared new horrors, Bush said in his inaugural address January 20, 2001.
On January 21, Bush held his first meeting with the National Security Council, and in that White House, at the meeting, he ordered the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to draw up plans for invasions of Iraq, as he said, a contingency.
We're good to go.
I think?
Very carefully as to whether or not he develops weapons of mass destruction, and if we catch him doing so, we will take the appropriate action.
February 23rd, a press conference with the British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, said, and it goes on and on, Folks, forget that.
We have his own biographer in a book authorized by Bush.
I mean, this is something Bush has put out.
Saying, I'm going to be a war president in 1999, as he's secretly getting ready to form his exploratory committee when he was right here in Austin, Texas, with his autobiographer, saying, when I'm a war president, quote, I can't be questioned domestically.
And folks, I can't read most of these quotes.
Forget the freaking Afghanistan Bush respondent who's saying he's behind this.
I know it.
We're going into Iraq.
And he goes on and on with public statements out of newspapers.
But the neocons, Bush still gets up and goes, I never planned to invade Iraq, it's all lies.
When he gave press conferences saying it, and told his autobiographer this.
See, this is what's frustrating about all of this.
They admit all of this on the surface.
And then...
Then get up and tell us they never said it.
It's like Rumsfeld saying on Face the Nation, I never said there were WMDs, it's an urban legend.
And so they start running all the quotes.
I mean, it's just... They don't intellectually battle this honestly.
And, you know, now it's coming out, the cost of the Iraq war could top $2 trillion, a major study shows, Reuters reports.
The cost of the Iraq war could top $2 trillion, far above the White House pre-war projections.
When long-term costs such as lifetime health care for thousands of wounded U.S.
soldiers are included, a study said on Monday... Two trillion, folks.
That is... We now have a, what, $3.8 trillion budget.
But it's quite large.
Columbia University economist Joseph E. Stiglitz said Harvard lecturer Linda Bilmes included in their study...
Disability payments for the 16,000 wounded U.S.
soldiers, and it's going to get even higher, about 20% of them suffer serious brain or spinal injuries.
taxpayers will be burdened with costs that linger long after U.S.
They said U.S.
troop withdrawals.
Oh, no, they won't.
They're not going to get care.
They never do.
They're going to get the maggot treatment.
You don't know about the maggoting and ratting.
That's what it's known as.
Well, they chain you down and let the maggots have your way with you.
Oh, you don't believe it?
Just type it in the Google.
You'll get Kansas City Star...
You'll get Sacramento B, the maggoting deaths from California to Missouri.
Oh, you don't want to hear about it?
Oh, it's not patriotic to talk about the troops dying with maggots entering the nasal cavity and laying eggs and eating the brain.
I know.
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Senator Frank Church, over two decades ago, chaired the Senate hearings on the FBI COINTELPRO operation, which spied upon and attempted to infiltrate, disrupting his credit of the peace movement.
Even Martin Luther King, he said.
If a dictator ever took over the NSA, this is a quote, could enable him to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.
That's now what's happening.
An incredible article that Paul Watson and I put together called the Panopticon up on PrisonPlanet.com.
Everybody has got to read it.
It's kind of a synopsis of everything that's going on.
Well, not everything.
It's actually a small drop, but it's more than most people even know about, and it's quite horrible.
From James Bamford's NSA, the agency that could be Big Brother, Senator Church said...
That capacity at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capacity to monitor everything, telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter, there would be no place to hide.
He added that if a dictator ever took over the NSA could enable him to impose total tyranny and there would be no way to fight back.
At the time, the agency had the ability to listen to only what people said over the telephone or wrote in an occasional telegram.
They had no access to private letters.
But today, while people expressing their innermost thoughts on email messages, exposing their medical and financial records to the Internet, and chatting constantly on cell phones, the agency virtually has the ability to get inside a person's mind.
Quote, this is Frank Church, I don't want to see the country ever go across that bridge.
Frank Church said, I know the capacity that is there to make total tyranny in America, and we must see to it that the agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate in the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross that abyss.
This is the abyss from which there is no return.
And the quotes go on and on, but because of time, because of ranting, I can't do that anymore.
Continuing here...
National Security Agency mounted massive spy op on Baltimore Peace Group documents show.
And this is from the Raw story, but it links into a bunch of different mainstream articles that have been reporting it.
The National Security Agency has been spying on Baltimore Anti-War Group.
They've had on-the-ground Defense Department troops doing it.
I've had them videotape me for years.
March up to me.
Tell me to turn cameras off when I'm in Central Texas.
I mean, this is sickening.
Off bases.
I mean, just, you know, Belton, Texas.
You've seen the video.
I mean, they don't just... The troops tell you to turn cameras off in this new cesspit.
We're good to go.
I think?
And then it goes into how the NSA was set up and what it's doing.
But I mean, there they are, just purely sneaking around.
But again, it's always how a leftist group's being spied on.
Where's the national media taking the video from Police State 2000?
Or Road to Tyranny and going, oh look, in Road to Tyranny, I mean, it's been in World Net Daily how we've had Delta Force troops come over and aim guns at us and take our videotape away and shred it right in front of us.
And then, you know, World Night Daily called up and got the Army to admit it.
I mean, I've had troops, you understand me, they put Mike Hanson in handcuffs, okay?
Because he was smart enough to.
Well, this is a free country.
I mean, this is what they do.
Do you understand that?
Do you understand I've been in Belton, Texas, and had Army troops, regular Army with special forces patches, come over and get in my face?
I mean, this is, folks, I mean, that's why, that's why people are going, Alex Jones knew all about this.
How did he know?
Because I've had them come up to me a whole bunch.
I mean, they're all over the place.
Most of them are running the smack and the flake.
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You know, a lot of times you miss the forest for the trees.
And now they're admitting, oh, it's illegal to have troops spying on the American people, and it's illegal to have the NSA doing it.
The NSA's been doing this for decades, admittedly.
That came out in churches' committees.
It's funny, I was talking about it the other day, and folks have gone and grabbed all the quotes where he did go public with it.
But now, I've forgotten about all the places I've been.
I mean, in America, in little towns and big cities where I've had troops detain us, or troops come over and aim guns at us, or troops get in our faces.
And one time, of course, we didn't get the footage because they took it away from us, and that was in the news.
They admitted they erased the tape.
So kind of like they didn't take the tape away, they just erased it.
So, you know, that's the kind of stuff they do.
And you're like, well, what did you have on tape?
Just not even running an operation.
It was the day after the operation down in San Antonio.
They were real mad that I had the police chief saying they tried to bribe him and that he'd kicked him out and they'd come into town anyways and they were just real angry about it and
You know, I mean, there's these guys in plain clothes pointing at us, getting real mad.
All of a sudden, these big MPs come running over.
You know, give us that camera!
Hanson starts arguing with them, so the firearms come out.
And this is America, folks, and they can't wait.
Most of these people, I'm going to be frank with you.
I mean, you know how dumb the general public is, or dumbed down, or ignorant.
Well, just imagine the military.
I mean, they'll do whatever they tell them.
We don't like confiscating the guns in New Orleans, but we'll do it.
And I'm not trying to be mean, folks, but the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.
And all of this is happening, all of this is going on.
We've got Dr. Dennis Cuddy coming up here after this quick break, and I want to get into his book cover-up, Government Spin or Truth, some of the things that he covered in that.
And Dr. Dennis Cuddy, historian and political analyst, received a Ph.D.
from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Major American history, minor political science.
Dr. Cuddy has taught at the university level.
He's been a political and economic risk analyst, an international consulting firm, and has been a senior associate with the U.S.
Department of Education.
He has also testified before members of the Congress on behalf of the U.S.
Department of Justice.
Dr. Cuddy has authored or edited 17 books and booklets and written hundreds of articles appearing in newspapers, including the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, USA Today.
He's been a guest on numerous radio talk shows in various parts of the country.
He's been here with us many times, coming up in the next segment.
And I want to get in to these claims of executive power.
I mean, where this new Supreme Court justice, or the guy they're nominating, says Bush is above the law in memos, and now he's trying to say he didn't say that.
And just the nature of this other Bush administration official, I want to know if he's aware of it,
But this you character saying, yes, the president can kidnap people's children.
He was asked, you've written, Mr. You, that they can grab them, torture small children in front of their parents, and even crush their genitalia.
I don't want to get into more graphic, Nate.
And he says, yeah, the president has that power if he wants to.
And everybody knows the president doesn't have the power.
You know, that Nero claimed he had to strangle a small child for his enjoyment every morning, you know, in Rome.
But, I mean, Hitler didn't have the power to, you know, to send people to firing squads for no reason, just because they were a certain group of people.
They do not have this power.
That is, I mean, in 1215, the king learned that in England at running meat.
So we'll come back and talk to Dr. Dennis Cuddy for 55 minutes, and then we've got Pastor Butch Paw coming on.
With us in the third hour we talk about rendering unto Caesar and how they've taken over the churches and all these false doctrines for people that think they're following the Bible out there.
They think the Bible says that... I mean, I've actually heard them say George Bush may be Jesus.
I mean, they really go, he actually has the Lord in him.
He's like a disciple or he may even be kind of like God.
I mean, actually, it's blasphemous.
And so we'll talk about some of this mental illness with Pastor Butch coming up as well.
But Dr. Dennis Cuddy on the other side, and yes, we carry his book cover-up, Government Spin or Truth.
We've got it linked up on the main page of Infowars.com right now.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
We'll also tell you about some of the websites and news services that Dr. Cuddy writes for, so you can go find those online and read those to your heart's content.
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Because there's a war on for your mind.
We've only got our guests until the end of the hour, so I don't want to spend all day on this.
But out of the gates, I want to get Dr. Dennis Cuddy's comments.
On one of the little creatures that was at the same level as our current Attorney General as a White House Counsel.
And they said that other than Gonzalez as a Counsel, John Yoo was the individual he listened to most, obviously.
And Yoo wrote that genocide is acceptable.
He actually wrote that.
And he wrote that they can torture a small child and crust their genitals, their testicles is the exact thing, in front of the parents.
And he was asked that at a big University of Chicago debate with a Notre Dame professor that they were debating, that he was debating, and he said yes.
And that's what Alberto Gonzalez said.
He said we can torture them until they die, and if we don't call it torture, then it's not murder.
So, I mean, that's like mental illness.
You're like a psychopath going, now I'm going to free your soul.
And then slitting someone's throat.
Look at your happiness spill out.
I'm loving you.
Well, you still... And that's what psychopaths do, though.
They go, I'm not killing you.
I'm loving you.
You know, they just change it.
They just change what... This is... I mean, I took a few courses in criminology.
I don't plan to be some expert in it, but I probably read about... I'm a big reader.
I probably read about 30 books on it.
I mean, real textbooks on it.
Not just little crime and murder, you know, criminology garbage.
I mean, I really tried to get into... Well, you've heard the guest over the years.
We've interviewed a lot of them here.
A lot of top psychologists and psychiatrists and sociologists as well.
And then police investigators, detectives, FBI...
I mean, this is classic crazy behavior.
It's like Karl Rove telling the New York Times, we control reality, and we'll change reality tomorrow.
It's almost like a sickness elites get.
But enough about that.
I want to get just out of the gate Dr. Dennis Cuddy, who, of course...
He works at the Department of Education.
He's written for Washington Post, USA Today.
The Global has tried to recruit him.
He has a degree, Ph.D., in American history and political science.
And we're honored to have this author and researcher on with us.
Dr. Cuddy, there's so much happening.
I mean, it's just mind-blowing.
You're right.
The way they get around things, and President Bush gets around saying we're not torturing, is they simply redefine it.
They don't consider waterboarding, for example, as torture.
They just redefine the word torture and then say, well, we're not doing it.
And then, of course, if you try and find out what's going on in the secret CIA prisons around the world, well, that's classified.
We can't talk about that, and so on.
And you're also right when you said, Derek, you're going to be on later with Pastor Butch about mental illness.
That's one of the things that the Bush's New Freedom Commission, note the term freedom, wants to do is check out your possible mental illness, you, me, and everybody else.
That's why they formed this commission.
At the same time, they funded a National Science Foundation, a National Institute of Mental Health study,
Well, it's the Soviet Union.
I mean, it's that classical model.
Most of the time in China today, when they grab you for, quote, re-education, they do it with top scientists, government officials, you name it, police,
He's going away for a few years for mental illness.
He'll come back, though.
He'll be okay, then.
Yeah, there's a little book out about 40 years ago.
They had a movie on it called The Children's Story, where this woman comes in, and she's got her green uniform, and she's the new teacher.
She does a psyops on the kids.
The kids are all sitting there, and they're going along with her psyops.
What they should do for this new future, this new world, brave new world of the future.
And one little child, you know, he sort of objects to this.
And he says, where's my dad?
Well, he's gone off for re-education.
All the children, do you like the American flag?
Oh, yes.
Well, wouldn't it be nice if we cut it up in little pieces so that you could have, each of you, a little piece of it?
And the kids are all, this is great stuff for this one kid.
And of course, you know, he's going to get his in the end.
You know, Dr. Cuddy, you're a political scientist.
And we've had other political scientists on.
Paul Craig Roberts, Morgan Reynolds.
I had two CIA guys on last week.
They had to admit...
Now this NSA individual is blowing the whistle.
You read what Frank Church said about a total dictatorship of the NSA.
I mean, this is the classical re-education mass mind control, but it's not being done in sports stadiums with movie screens.
It's being done with the TV and the sports and the culture.
And then the globalists even brag that they're mind controlling us.
I mean, I don't think the average listener, even though they may be on board with us, realizes this is actually stated, is it not?
Yeah, and it's across the board.
You have the way prepared.
There are what I would call probes of the American psyche.
Terri Schiavo was a probe.
She wasn't the worst case of the first, but she was a probe to see what
The American people would be willing to accept.
Trial balloon conditioning mechanism.
Isn't this a trial balloon, though, when they constantly go, yeah, torturing kids is good, and then simultaneously every drama is CIA torturing small children in front of their parents, but it's to stop the nuke going off.
Yeah, that's right.
So, see, they're mass-changing our worldview.
Well, not only that, they test in advance.
If you recall, right after 9-11, there were basically two surveys.
Too quick for my comfort, that very afternoon ABC, Washington Post came out with a poll and found that two-thirds of the American public would be willing to give up some of their freedoms in order to have safety and security.
But there was a second poll and it says, do you think torture would be okay?
And roughly two-thirds said, sure, it would save my life.
The life of Americans, torture is acceptable.
And that's what mind control does, is it tries to make the changes right when the trauma has just happened.
Because they say the trauma in mind control unfreezes the hardened parameters of your worldview and your moral compass.
Then as it's unfrozen, they then try to change its form.
Yeah, and that, again, it goes back to Tavistock, which is a British sort of intelligence, you know, psyops outfit, among other things.
And they
They would develop, let's say, the theory of social turbulence where people would go into psychological retreat, they found, if you confront them with crises.
And so what they did, they hooked up with an outfit that was partly founded by the NEA, National Education Association.
It was called National Training Laboratories.
And the NTL came out in 1962 with a book called Issues in Human Relations Training where they said their sensitivity training, they always give it a nice name, was, quote, brainwashing, quote.
They said that flat out.
And it had to do with unfreezing.
They specifically said, we'll unfreeze values, change them, refreeze them, and this will be brainwashing.
And we'll do that in the schools and in society at large.
And brainwashing's simple, folks.
Your hero isn't George Washington or Andrew Jackson anymore.
Your hero is now some football player.
Not attacking the football player.
The point is, they...
Simple mind control at the most base level is who your heroes are because then you're going to model yourself after them and spend all your time becoming educated on that.
They don't care if you know all about football scores.
They do care if you know about your Bill of Rights.
And the whistleblower you were talking about, I think it was Nightline last night with Brian Ross, saying exactly that.
He says, well, it looks like we'll have to wipe away the Bill of Rights if the American people are going to accept this eavesdropping and surveillance without court authority.
And then in terms of the Middle East, Bush said, didn't he say God spoke to him and told him to invade Iraq?
I think he said that over and over when he was visiting the Middle East.
He said, God told me to do this.
Yeah, that's total manipulation.
Of course, we know who his God really is from all of your extensive study, Dr. Cuddy, and working at high levels in the federal government.
Who is his God?
Well, he would say the God of the Bible.
However, he also says that's the same God as the Muslims have, and he does a lot of things I don't consider very Christian.
He flashes that middle finger a lot, uses foul language, says he likes Ozzy Osbourne and all of the nasty things that he's done.
So I would not consider him a traditional Christian at all.
Well, he also goes with Skull and Bones of Bohemian Grove.
I mean, that's admitted.
And mainstream news admits they bust in gay porn stars and run around drunk naked.
And when I was there for the one day, what was on the itinerary, what I'd heard for that one day was absolutely true.
I mean, worshipping an old Canaanite god is... I mean, I want to... Dr. Cuddy, I want to specifically, before we get into all these other issues...
I want to get your take, though, on their mindsets.
I mean, when they're openly going, yeah, I think we can torture children and crush their genitalia, I mean, that is just, what's going to come next if they're already to that level?
Well, you sort of follow the bouncing ball.
The Terry Schiavo thing, for example, was part of a long plan that I wrote about called the Aletheia Report, which mapped out year by year by year what they would do, how they would get to that level, and the American public accepting it.
Same thing with an invasion of Iraq.
They do these test groups, trial balloons, as you said, to find out what we'll accept.
Okay, so now we've accepted abortion.
We've accepted euthanasia.
We've accepted eugenics.
We've accepted infanticide.
I mean, it's going on in hospitals all over the place.
We're now at the stage of accepting, in other terms, one, world currency.
They've got us pretty much ready to accept anything if the right crisis comes along.
It seems like we've reached what they call a jump point, a major leap, because now the transponders are going in.
Now the mass toll roads are going in.
Now they're admitting they're tracking our cell phones.
Now they're admitting everything.
Now they're saying torture's good.
Now they're admitting there's some camps for our safety.
Yeah, and in fact, the former FBI agent Dan Smoot, about 50 years ago, one of his newsletters mentioned that may be what they were buying up all that territory in Alaska for.
He says they don't need that much territory just for 400 mental patients in Alaska back in the 50s, so he was suspicious back then about what they were going to do with us.
Well, that's the thing.
We have hearings from the 80s in the open Senate where they're admitting they've built camps, and then the head chairman says, shut up to Brooks, Congressman Jack Brooks, in that joint session of the House and the Senate.
So, you know, I'm in that joint committee meeting, I should be accurate.
So, I mean, I don't think people understand that they've been slowly building towards this goal, and that's really the nature of the New World Order that the average person can't figure out, is they've got us all playing on a month-to-month or paycheck-to-paycheck time board.
They're playing on a 100-year map, aren't they?
Yeah, but they have, it's getting close, and I'll get to that in a second.
In a way, as you said, to cut off Jack Brooks,
But Gonzalez, Henry Gonzalez later said, yeah, they do have these plans.
The timetable is 2018 for the new global currency called the Phoenix, and then 2025 for the global religion according to Alice Bailey's plan.
But on the road to that, I mean, it's just... I want to get your take when we get back.
When will the mass extermination begin?
I mean, we know that's their stated goal.
When does that happen?
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And it burns, burns, burns.
Dr. Dennis Cuddy, I mean, the New World Order master plan controlled by these big central banking elites out of Europe.
Every time I turn around, it's population reduction, one-child policy, China's their model.
They openly say they want to reduce this from 80% to 95%.
They admit they want to build these big, massive inner-city control grids.
I mean, already they're engaging in extermination through the vaccines and the foods and the things we've caught them doing in Africa and Asia.
That's Henry Kissinger documents about sterilize half your women or you won't get any IMF or World Bank money.
But here in the Western world, worldwide, what do you see happening?
Well, it's different things for different places.
As you said, there's AIDS in Africa, bird flu will pop up with a pandemic in Asia, the National Security Memorandum 200 that you mentioned about Kissinger in terms of aid, unless you allow us to have population control.
The ultimate goal, as you said, Sam Kean at the first Gorbachev Conference 95 said we need a reduction of
90% of the world's population, all the elitists there were clapping like mad.
They thought that was great.
Jacques Cousteau with his $350,000 a day needs to be eliminated.
In the West, what's most likely, and you get sort of a sense of it from if President Bush, for example, was really serious about terrorism, he would have closed the borders.
So my guess is you might have a nuclear device slip in
From the South, it probably, and I've written about this in a column called Babylon Has Fallen, would be a large place, New York City perhaps.
It's right out of the Book of Revelation.
And when that type of thing happens, then Tommy Franks, General Franks' comment, cigar aficionado, kicks in that Americans will accept the military dictatorship.
Of course, you have to have the gun confiscation, so they've been doing military exercises already for decades.
And that Marine survey, remember, 25% of the Marines said they'd be willing to shoot somebody
I videotaped them trying to do it seven years ago.
And what happens is, in case there are some American soldiers who won't do that, there was a 1952 map by a world government group showing what nations would be policing other nations when the New World Order came.
And now that exact map is this troop-sharing deal they've had.
It said at that time we would be in Kazakhstan and all those stands where we are, Yugoslavia where we are, Australia where we are, so on.
This is all an official plan, folks!
As you said, the plan goes back a long time.
British Fabians, Wells, H.G.
Wells, George Bernard Shaw, Bertrand Russell, all of them said we need to kill people.
Russell said we need a black death, bacteriological warfare.
And what did President Bush recently allow to happen?
There was a release less than three years after the war began of Dr. Death and Dr. Germ, those two women.
Over in Iraq.
Now, why would you do that?
And why wouldn't you close the southern border with the U.S.?
If the Mexican officials, as they have already said, some Al-Qaeda members have been slipping across the border.
And so we're being set up.
My guess is it'll probably be some sort of nuke in the U.S., as I said, New York City.
But it's part, you really, those are crises.
And the American public, yes, they do respond to crises.
But you have to set the framework for the crisis.
And so, if I might, for just a few minutes, I want to get into something which will connect exactly with what you're saying.
And at first, it doesn't seem that way.
But what you have to remember is years ago, Kissinger, who was a protege of David Rockefeller,
It was with the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
In the 50s, they issued a document saying that we're going to have to have this, quote, new world order.
They used that term.
He said it wouldn't just be social, economic, political.
It would be spiritual as well.
What they have to do is condition the public spiritually.
How do you do that?
You don't have an assault down with Christianity, down with Judaism, down with the Ten Commandments.
You set the groundwork until now.
Now you see the assault.
I'll have to explain this as to what's happening.
There is a big court case recently in Texas, and they're also trying to mandate this legislatively in Alabama, a textbook called The Bible and Its Influence, and it's by the Bible Literacy Project, and what I found is this is largely a communitarian effort which is global.
After the break, we can get back.
Yeah, stay there.
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But George Bush says he is a communitarian.
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It's a system.
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And that's all the globalists are.
They've just gotten very good at hiding their wealth, not engaging in...
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I mean, you're the author.
You can sum it up better because it covers so much.
What does cover-up really get into?
Three basic areas.
9-11, why it happened, how it could have been easily prevented.
I filed a Freedom of Information request also to see if the same top-level people at the Pentagon who met with General Mahmoud Ahmad, Pakistani intelligence, who had the 100,000-wired Mohammed Atta,
We're good to go.
Well, actually it was the second, just a month after the first one got bumped, to control the coalition government over there.
It's just come out with a book.
He was with Brian Williams of NBC on TV the other night, and they were both nodding their head up and down about no one could see the insurgency coming.
Well, in this book that came out just as the war was beginning,
I put in there the comment of exiled Iraqi Lieutenant General Tawfiq al-Yassiri saying exactly what was coming.
The insurgency.
They were going to take off the uniforms.
They were going underground, the 300,000, 400,000.
That would be the exact insurgency we've had, but nobody in the Bush administration would listen to that.
But actually, the Israelis in 1983 said they want three or four regions, but they want it all broken up in civil war.
I mean, that's the imperial model.
The Hashemite Kingdom is what the goal was, to reestablish it with a permanent military presence, as Project for the New American Century said, in that region, because if the world socialist government is going to be linked up by economic regions,
You had to get rid of Milosevic in Europe to have that southern part open so Germany could come down into the Mediterranean to trade.
With that region, you needed a stable Middle East region.
Saddam had to go, among other things, oil and so forth.
For that region, in the East, you had to get rid of the Taliban, because UNICAL consultant Khalilzad, who's now the envoy and ambassador... Well, actually, their president was an executive, Karzai.
Well, Karzai was a UNICAL executive, and Khalilzad was also a UNICAL consultant.
He was the envoy to Afghanistan and Iraq before he became ambassador then.
They, the Taliban, wouldn't go along with the pipeline coming down from the Caspian region through Afghanistan down to India.
They said carpet of bombs or carpet of gold, or actually backwards, carpet of gold, carpet of bombs.
And then Bush, of course, had the launch orders to attack Iraq, I mean Afghanistan, on his desk two days before the attack.
Right, and the reason is, according to Brzezinski, who always sort of forecasts all this stuff on his grand chessboard,
He says that there may be this Muslim backlash, but who cares?
We will manipulate people and so forth.
And he's one of those who was at that same Sam Kean speech at the first Gorbachev conference.
And Brzezinski says, we're going to have a world government, but we'll do it by regions first.
And they will link up the regions.
And so that's how that will happen.
Well, it's like this.
The U.S.
is already signing hundreds of agreements with the EU.
They're signing them with the Asian Union, and the African Union is already operating under these IMF and World Bank and WTO guidelines.
And then they sign a deal to build a trans-Naphtha highway right through Texas up into Minnesota, down into Mexico.
It's all official, and the company out of Spain is going to run it, and half of the money from the tickets that they give you with the new points system openly goes to this foreign company.
I mean, it's just a hellish system.
I mean, I'm actually now, when you get a ticket, folks, you're paying a tax to a Spanish company, and they're even going to enforce it.
Dr. Cuddy, for those that are just tuning in, describe what the New World Order is for people and what their total goals are, and then give us some ideas about how to beat it.
Well, Spain is important because that's where Javier Solana came from, and he was put in there by Clinton and Strobe Talbot and Richard Gardner, the three Rhodes Scholars.
Well, there's also the king over there.
Juan Carlos, right.
He's a big globalist.
The ultimate goal is the world government, world socialist government, put together by economic regions, but it will include spirituality as well, which I want to get into in just a minute.
And the way they do this is a dialectical process
Yes, we're good to go.
Brokeback Mountain today is not by accident.
This is another probe to see what the American public will be willing to put up with.
Your elite controls it.
That's what you said.
An example of the dynasty that you mentioned would be Nelson Rockefeller has a son, Stephen Rockefeller.
He writes the Earth Charter for Gorbachev and Marie Strong.
His son, Stephen Rockefeller Jr., is now with the Soros Group and with Deutsche Bank and so forth.
The dynasty continues.
David Rockefeller...
Also, part of this has been chairman of the CFR set up the Trilateral Commission and so on.
They'll use these organizations to
To accomplish the objectives.
And the strategy is, through the dialectical process, they would say, let's say Rhodes Scholar Dean Rusk has Lincoln Bloomfield, CFR member, write a document, 62, in which he says that if the communist threat were greatly abated, the West would lose whatever incentive it has for world government.
So you have to have the Soviet Union.
But if the Soviet Union collapses, you've got to have a new threat.
That's Chinese communists.
So we fund them, right?
Build up their military machine so that they're now a threat.
All right.
How do you prepare the American public?
Well, you have George Bush come in.
Pardon me.
And Karl Rove says this is a communitarian effort.
He says Rove introduces communitarianism to Bush in the Washington Post.
Then Bush gets up with Teddy Kennedy and has an education bill, No Child Left Behind, which virtually wipes out local control of education.
Andrew Card comes along on Fox News Sunday and says, I believe supply-side and Keynesian economics is great, though.
And they also pay off a bunch of reporters to go push all these programs.
I mean, we have the government openly just paying reporters to go say they love it.
Right, that's not only Operation Mockingbird in the 40s, but during the 60s, Catherine Graham with the Washington Post is part of this,
What they do is the CIA guys, Felker is his name, he gets Gloria Steinem, promotes her, they establish the CIA, the feminist movement, to undercut the values of the country.
And then she even writes that in a book.
People, this is not a secret.
I mean, the whole feminist movement was just to get women in the factories to be slaves too, to make sure there's no women at home, to raise the kids so the state can do it.
They openly have documents saying this.
Yeah, and the point is it's a CIA effort, just like the CIA had Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals make up a batch of LSD, and then you give it to Timothy Leary, and Timothy Leary goes through all the... By the way, the father of LSD turned 100 today, and that's all publicly admitted that the government went around.
And then when Leary died, it came out that he was FBI, CIA.
Go ahead.
Yeah, so all of this is by accident.
And now the communitarian effort...
Is to establish common values, a set of shared values.
And if I might, just for a minute, let me whiz through this.
What's happened is this textbook, Bible Interest Influence Bible Literacy Project, is being pushed in all of the public schools, big court case in Texas, legislature in Alabama.
And it really is insidious in that it asks students such things as, if God allows evil things to happen, can God honestly be described as good?
So you undermine the students' belief.
And then even Christians push it like, oh, see, it's literature.
We're going to let the Bible be taught now.
How's that sound?
And then they create a whole false doctrine and demonize it.
Right, a false doctrine.
And you get students to question it.
That's what the humanists said.
I've written about that.
They said we'll get students to critically think, question their values, their parents.
The rock musicians said we want a revolution, a generation gap, and so on.
And so what I did is I find out who these people were, and about half of them on the advisory board of the Bible Literacy Project are communitarians.
And a couple of them and a board of directors member signed this document which said, basically, if you believe in Second Amendment rights for an individual, you're a gunslinger, and that the Second Amendment really doesn't mean that.
And so it plays into a larger effort, which I mentioned about the Earth Charter,
Drafted by Stephen Rockefeller.
And that's largely a communitarian effort as well.
Now your listeners say, oh well, these flaky one-worlders, what can they do?
What you've got to remember is that the Earth Charter says we're going to have socialism.
We're going to have the Equal Rights Amendment.
We're going to have school to work and change your values.
We're going to adopt all sorts of reproduction population control.
And listen to this, wherever you are listening to this show,
Your mayor is probably a member of the U.S.
Conference of Mayors.
In 2001, they actually endorsed this stuff.
They endorsed the Earth Charter as principles.
Well, that's all part of Agenda 21.
And for those who don't understand, there's federal grants that follow the U.N.
orders because the U.N.
is a body that has its own documents and agendas written up by these large private...
Organizations, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, these groups openly get on C-SPAN and brag about their world government.
They write up the policy, and that's why Texas comes out with a point system.
On top of the ticket, you get a point system for driving, and then that goes to a foreign company, which is an international tax.
It's the same thing.
The exact same zoning rules about you can't build on your land are passed all over the country through federal grants at the same time.
That's right.
And to condition the people, you don't just have this charter, which Gorbachev and the rest of them, Maurice Strong, who's Kofi Annan's right-hand man, are trying to get into international law.
You have these summits.
So a couple of months ago, there were summits held in Chicago, San Diego, Dallas, Atlanta, and so forth.
Around the world, too.
Canada, India, Belgium, and so on.
To see how they can implement this stuff.
And so, coordinating with that, you had Clinton... And all these big people brainstorm and go, hey, you'll get even more money, you'll move up the chain.
If you can implement, they even have contests locally.
Who can implement faster?
And so they met at the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce a couple of months ago.
I think so.
We can accomplish all this with any people of any faith, as long as no one faith says it has the absolute truth.
Well, you know, out goes, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
So then you can have your religion as long as you believe Lucifer's good, too.
And so what Gorbachev and Strong said is that they want this earth charter to be like a Ten Commandments, a Sermon on the Mount, a new Ten Commandments.
That's why I said earlier, that's why it's now that the assault on the Ten Commandments, not back in the 60s with school prayer and so forth, but now.
Because if you're going to have a new Ten Commandments for Mother Earth, you have to wipe out the old Ten Commandments.
That's why what you find is that while the ACLU and other groups are having these lawsuits against the Ten Commandments on public property, they're not touching the pagan goddess Themis, who is in all the courts across the land.
She's the one with the blindfold on and scales in her hand.
She's supposedly the daughter of Uranus and Mother Gaia.
And by the way, the globalists all worship, you know, the dominant strain of worshippers are goddess worshippers from Athena to Diana to Eulogia.
They all have their goddess.
The Skull and Bones are Eulogia.
Jean Houston is Athena.
And you'll find them on state seals all over the place.
Ceres and Minerva.
Demeter for $75,000 taxpayer money in Annapolis.
That's like Paramount.
That's the goddess with the torch in her hand.
And Quetzalcoatl for $500,000 taxpayer money in San Jose.
Vulcans in Birmingham.
You go in the Library of Congress, there's Neptune.
And when you go in the front door of U.N.
in New York City, what do you see?
Big statue of Zeus, the god of war.
And the U.N.
Environment Program has what they call an Earth Day Sabbath.
They have a Sabbath newsletter where kids are approaching the gods.
Now, Zeus is Jupiter.
You mean Mars is war.
Or maybe I'm getting the two mixed up.
Zeus is the Greek god of war.
I mean, he's over both, isn't he?
And then I guess with Rome and Mars, I get them all confused.
Mars is Rome, yeah.
So what they're doing is setting the stage for this New Age pagan spirituality, wiping out the Ten Commandments because they know that nothing can be left.
It's not just social, economic, and political.
And as I said, they have the Lords of the Universe and all of these Sabbath programs at the UN.
So there's a spiritual element.
Remember, your mayor has probably endorsed this wherever you're listening.
Oh, they have local U.N.
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The globalists have got control of the world's resources, but they don't have control of your mind and everything you do.
So, being lustful control freaks, they're trying to do it.
But Dr. Cuddy, from all your research, aren't they destined to fail?
Well, ultimately, but there's a major crisis before then.
I mean, in Revelations, you know, you've got Babylon is burning and there's only a remnant left and there's persecution all over the place.
And, you know, they really believe in all that, too.
I mean, they're into it.
Well, and they're playing certain Christians to fulfill it.
They actually have them saying, yeah, you know, the end time's great.
You know, we're here.
Bring it on.
Because, you know, it gets into the whole question of rapture or not and so on.
But as I said, watch out for those two things.
The Earth Charter was endorsed, this final version at UNESCO.
We have recently, under Bush, rejoined UNESCO on October 1 of 2003.
And that's supposedly conservative.
Let's take a caller to Pete in Missouri.
Go ahead, Pete.
Yeah, I have to agree with Dr. Cuddy.
I think behind all of this you have a spiritual blindness.
And you have people
Right now, I'm in my 50s, but I think the kids are contemporaries of my 16-year-old son, and they just don't question, and they just have no concept.
You know, it is a great delusion.
It really is blindness, because you go, hey, the Bush administration official in front of thousands of people so they can torture children and crush their body parts in front of their parents, and they go, well, that's good, yeah.
Go to the 501c subchapter 3 churches, and it's Pray for Our Leaders, but if you're going to pray for these people, pray that their consciences be reactivated, because that way either they become useless to their New World Order bosses, or they will harden their hearts and become reprobate and become a loose cannon, and again, either way,
They're out of the picture.
Well, Pete, you talk about a lot of blind people out there, figuratively, but aren't you seeing a lot of people that are also starting to wake up who wouldn't listen in the past?
That's true, and I do pass out your videos and what have you.
Sometimes I get positive results.
The neocon types, of course, are the most difficult.
I have a VHS I want to get to you, something I captured off of CNN.
The other day, yesterday as a matter of fact, in the morning, where they talked about the DNA database over in Great Britain, and it was like a big joke.
They were laughing about how it was going to be used to send ticket people or jail people caught spitting on the sidewalk.
Oh, I know.
Listen, they're talking about taking your house if you spit on the sidewalk.
Now, Dr. Cuddy, have you heard about that?
Where the most petty of things you go to jail for, where they're like really hardcore crimes, they let you out?
Yeah, I heard about that and what you said and what the caller said about spiritual blindness and delusion and the choice, you know, if you wake up and so on, like you said Americans are.
The globalists have that plan for that.
Remember this mental health issue where they redefine it and if you have dogmatic... You're mentally ill.
You think the government's bad.
Yeah, if you talk about the New World Order, you're paranoid, right?
Paranoia is mental illness and you need treatment.
And you'll say, oh, they'll never get me for that.
Well, remember, Section 802 of the Patriot Act, which they've extended and they want to do permanently, says a domestic terrorist is someone who tries to coerce or intimidate any public official into changing public policy.
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I want to thank Dr. Dennis Cuddy for spending an extra five minutes with us.
Pastor Butch Paul, my good friend, is coming up.
Talk show host on the Genesis Network.
He's a pastor, a Vietnam veteran.
He's a great guy from West Virginia.
And I just always enjoy the fine work he does.
He lives right there in the same neighborhood with our good friend Hutton Gibson, who I also know listens to the show routinely.
We're honored to have him as a listener tuning in today, hopefully.
Dr. Dennis Cuddy, I want to take one final call from Al in California.
Sorry to all the others.
They've been holding the longest.
Just getting back to the New World Order here briefly, any other key points you want to briefly make that we haven't hit upon today?
No, I've hit the main points, Gene.
You know what I am seeing, though, that's good news, in greater numbers than even just the general public per capita, is people in the government.
I mean, there's a lot of prominent people coming out and saying this is a new world order, they want to enslave us, they want to totally take over, there's an international elite controlling us.
I mean, there is a lot of people now that are talking about it, and it's actually getting pretty chic to talk about this now.
Yeah, it is.
As we've discussed in the past, if I could take 30 seconds to do this, since you mentioned Hutton-Gibson, we've discussed using the documents like I've taken in the past, signed by FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Bill Clinton, and actually instead of having a movie like Conspiracy Theory, have one conspiracy that's based on the documents and discover these documents to actually prove to the people that this isn't just a theory.
That would be a good movie.
Oh, like somebody trying to get the documents.
Well, let's say the hero and heroine, Mel Gibson, Julia Roberts, would find the letter by FDR, right?
Saying, who really controls this?
They find the letter by Woodrow Wilson.
They find Cecil Rhodes' Secret Society.
Then they find the document, Bill Clinton signed a White House stationery supporting world government.
And, you know, it would be a step-by-step discovery.
And there's people chasing them while they do this.
And then at the end you go, go to this website.
These are all public documents.
Well, yeah, and not just a movie, but all over the world, people would watch the thing simply to be able to download the documents.
They could actually stop the movie on their computer, hit the print button, and have the letter from FDR in their hands, or Winston Churchill talking about the secret circle.
Let's take a call from Allen, California.
Al, go ahead.
Yeah, Alex, how you doing?
You know, I'm not exactly sure how to explain this, but I've brought this subject up before, and you quickly seem to knock people down on it and call it cop-out, cop-out.
There's several principles.
I'm just going to throw them out there for you.
I really don't expect you to get it on the first try, and even if you do get it, I'm not sure if your heart is ready for it, because it's
There's some things that are pretty complicated, and it's a matter of exercising real faith in God.
Okay, you've told me this is really heavy stuff.
Go ahead and tell me.
Well, if you recall back in times past that... Well, let me give two specific examples.
When Assyria was attacking the Judaic part of Israel, and when Pharaoh was attacking the Egyptians as they were... Excuse me, not the Egyptians, the Israelites.
Yes, I know, the pillar of fire, all that.
Did you know that before those events, also prophetically in Ezekiel, that before these events occurred that God's people took up what appeared to be a weak position?
You know what?
I'm going to have to let my guests go.
If you want to hold, we can go back to Pastor Butch later and have a theological discussion for a couple minutes.
You say I can't handle this.
I don't really understand what you're even talking about, but it's fine for you to finish up.
Dr. Cuddy, I really want to thank you for joining us, and it's always great to have you on.
Thank you, and if your caller looks at the Via Maris back in those times, whoever controlled world trade controlled the world in those biblical times.
And that's what the globalists are doing today to weaken all the nation states and make the international system preeminent.
That's right, and we need to pray to God for help.
Absolutely, that's a good solution there.
Thank you, Dr. Cuddy.
We'll be right back.
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I want to mention a lot of different news items we haven't even covered yet and get Pastor Butch Paw's take on it.
Butch is a great American, West Virginia, Vietnam veteran, running covert operations whenever he was in, I find it interesting, whenever he was in Cambodia, so he's lived a little bit.
And he's been a pastor for several decades, been broadcasting, I don't know, 15 years.
And he's been with Genesis, I guess, about seven years or so.
We've been so honored to have him here with us.
And he's a good old boy from West Virginia, and he knows how to read the Bible.
And again, even if you're secular out there, this is interesting and informative for you because for those that don't know, George Bush and the New World Order...
And all their pimps said a hundred years ago they were going to take the churches over with the World Council of Churches and all these other organizations, and they teach, whether it's Catholic churches in Chicago or Baptist churches here in Austin, I've seen the letter from both of them, turn your guns in, it's good, guns are bad, do everything government says, well then George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and all of them were evil.
For standing up and not rendering unto Caesar.
And I guess all the prophets were bad, being killed for not following orders.
And I guess Paul was bad.
I guess they were all just evil.
And I guess we shouldn't have fought Hitler.
Because I guess God sent Hitler to punish us.
So it's right there on the record that it's just pure propaganda.
That's not what the Bible shows.
So I've got him on about that today.
And also to talk about how these churches are a bunch of whores.
I'm not saying all of them, but I've been to a lot of churches around the country.
It's just feel good, pray to God, you'll have a nice Cadillac.
I've read a lot of the Bible.
It's about standing up against evil, defending the weak, doing services.
Faith without works is dead.
And then people say, oh no, you don't have to do any works.
Well folks, if you've got faith, you're going to be doing works.
You're going to have an instinct to fight corruption.
You're going to have an instinct to be ashamed of yourself when you do things that are wrong.
I mean, nobody's got to punish me.
I punish myself when I do something wrong.
I get very upset about it.
I feel bad.
But we've seared the conscience.
Because the new order knows, if you've got a conscience, you're not going to be a slave.
Because being a slave is one of the greatest sins there is.
But I'm not going to preach.
Pastor Butch, it's good to have you up with us.
Alex, it's always an honor to join you.
And I really mean that.
It's an honor to have you in my program from time to time.
Great American, exposing a lot of evil, and I am thankful that you're there, of course.
What do you say, Pastor, to people that say, hey, be positive, we're sick of hearing all the negative stuff on your show.
Isn't it really positive to expose evil so that it doesn't happen to other people?
I mean, isn't it really negative to just ignore what... I mean, let's say your legs got gangrene, and you just think, oh, I'll think positively about it, I won't have it treated, and then you die.
All my broadcasts, I've been on the air almost 13 years.
All my broadcasts have always been done, of course, from a Christian perspective.
I am a pastor, a preacher.
I have been for almost 30 years.
And I cover current events as you do, not in details.
You do because your program is geared toward that, and you do a fine job of it.
So I don't need to duplicate your program.
But we do take on current issues and current events from a biblical perspective.
And the only...
The only format left to this world, the only force left here to fight evil, Christ said, I left the church here to counter evil, to fight evil, and in my absence I gave you, he said in Acts chapter 1, the power of my presence of the Holy Spirit to stand in my stead in power of attorney to speak in my name with authority to counteract evil of all matter, whether it be a
I think we're good to go.
Evil must not only be exposed, evil must be destroyed.
If people would just read Psalms 149, you'll find we're told to go out with the lips of praise on our lips and a sword in our hand.
Because we are, according to His Scripture, His battle axe in the world to deliver the innocent, to save the innocent.
And the churches in America today as a whole, not all of them, and as a whole, they are 501c3 whorehouses.
They're not churches.
Their head is not Christ.
Their head is the IRS.
They don't like to hear this, Alex, but nonetheless, that's what I preach, that's what I teach.
And I will stand on that until the day I die.
There is only one way of truth, and that is through Jesus Christ, Yeshua the Messiah, His Word and truth.
And history teaches truth.
Our forefathers knew the truth of the power of the gospel of Christ.
As a matter of fact, Patrick Henry said this, and I get so sick of hearing people tell me, well, we were founded a multicultural society.
That is not true at all.
We were founded a Christian republic.
And Patrick Kennedy said it cannot be emphasized too often or too strongly that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians.
Not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Now, that's pretty clear.
Even for a hillbilly like me, I can figure that one out.
We are not a nation of religions.
We are a nation of one religion, Christianity.
The laws are based upon that.
Our whole society is based upon that.
And for a long time it ran quite well on that premise of morality based upon Christ.
Since we've lost that, we've lost all morality.
The churches are corrupt.
Needless to say, Caesar, the civil authority is beyond corrupt.
And the world's going to hell because the church has lost its light.
We are to be the light of the world.
We're to be the backbone, if you will, of righteousness in this world.
And I see very few pastors and preachers today that are worth their weight in salt.
They're pulpit pimps.
They're prostitutes.
They're panty-waisted pimps behind a pulpit who will not preach the truth.
We're good to go.
I'm not into numbers.
I'm into righteousness in Christ, and that's where the church has failed, Alex.
Well, let's specifically, because, you know, for people out there, let's specifically, I mean, Hitler's favorite quote was Romans 13, run around to Caesar and unto God, things that are God, but the whole Bible is about fighting evil and standing up against corruption.
I mean, but they take this one little thing out of context, and they just try to beat us over the head with it.
Well, I did a whole two-hour teaching on that topic, as you know.
And I'll make a video by once on DVD or VHS or audio or CD for $15.
A two-hour teaching exposing the Render and the Caesar teaching that's been taught from the churches today.
If they will only read the Scriptures in their entirety, they will find out that a righteous government is to be supported by the church.
But when a civil authority oversteps his bounds and starts becoming immoral, then the church must oppose that tyrant, no matter what the cost, even if it means taking up physical arms to go to physical warfare.
Because, Alex, maybe some people have trouble grasping this.
But everything we see happening in the physical world comes from a spiritual force.
For example, i.e., I pick up a gun and I commit murder.
Did the gun commit the murder?
Did my hand commit the murder?
Out of my heart, out of my spirit, come that murder.
Blaming the gun won't change it.
Blaming my hand won't change it.
But out of my spirit comes that act of murder.
And on the other hand, someone breaks into your home the night to kill your family, and you pick up a weapon to defend yourself, out of a righteous heart comes a righteous stand to defend your family.
Everything we see manifest in the flesh is of spiritual origin.
When we finally understand that, then we understand the true idea.
And here's an example.
You feel bad about killing somebody in cold blood, but you would feel invigorated, and like you've done the right thing, killing some scumbag.
Well, absolutely.
No one in his right mind wants to take another person's life.
But believe me, and I don't care to say this on the radio, everywhere I go, I am armed.
And I don't care who knows it.
I say it on my broadcast, I say it on your broadcast, I've written books about it, I preach by the Paul, put the right to keep and bear arms, it's all biblical.
If you don't believe me, read Nehemiah chapter 4, read Numbers chapter 1, where our forefathers got the idea of the militia.
Numbers chapter 1 is called the war book.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
Well, in China today, they have lots of churches, but they're government certified and approved, and that's all 501c3 is.
That's exactly true.
Since when did we need a permit to have a church?
We never had it before.
They just started saying, hey, sign this form.
It's a new regulation.
But the First Amendment says Congress can't make a law respecting the establishment of a church, of a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Up until 1954, under Lyndon Baines Johnson leadership in the Senate, there was no 501c3 clause in the IRS code.
We are automatically immune to taxation.
No, we weren't exempt.
The church is not exempt.
We are immune.
We have no authority over us but Jesus Christ our Lord.
And anyone who has anything less than that is not serving Christ.
And as I said, the churches are very, very...
Listen, I have a friend who goes to a big Baptist church here in town.
A couple of years ago during the election, they were given a sheet.
He brought it to me saying, don't talk about politics in the pews.
Don't talk about it at church lunch.
I mean, it's not just the preacher doesn't talk about it now.
It's you don't talk when you're here.
Like it's the Soviet Union.
Oh, we're the Soviet Union.
You can't talk.
Let me give an example of just how bad it's gotten to be.
Locally, there's a small Baptist church not too far from me
Who wanted to give a gentleman and his wife, his wife has cancer, wanted to give him a little bit of financial help.
So they wrote him a check for $599.99.
Now, that's an odd figure, is it not?
So whenever they said that, I stopped and said, wait a minute, why not $600?
They can't.
If they give more than $599.99, they must issue a $1099 to that person also for income tax purposes.
And I said, well, what if the Holy Spirit told you to give them $1,000?
What do you do then?
Who do you obey?
The IRS or the Holy Spirit, which is the presence of Christ in your heart?
The head is not Christ.
They're not being led by the Holy Spirit.
They're being led by the IRS.
Every time someone comes into their church to sing or preach, they give them a donation.
They have to issue them a 1099 form for income tax purposes.
That makes this place a business, not a church.
Well, more than that now, when people come in to preach, they go, now here's the rules.
You can't say anything if the government says so.
Well, we were founded, and I know the seeds of evil were already here in 1796, but we were founded a Christian nation.
The evil seeds are spread while the good has disappeared because of the church's apathy in England.
Well, it's like the evil's been mass-producing, and while good became a very rare animal indeed.
Stay there, Butch.
I want to get into these churches, because they just teach...
They're telling the world.
It's like the Pope saying in a one-world order.
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You know, I never claimed to be the best person, but ever since I was a little child, I couldn't stand corrupt people, bullies.
Folks that like to push little guys around.
I always enjoyed it.
It actually became a bad thing because I started enjoying it.
You know, beating up the bullies.
But, I mean, today I get so angry.
And I have to control it.
And remember, I fight the New World Order because I love my family.
But, frankly, I also just get so angry.
How they're scamming people.
How they're conning them.
The horrible things they do.
And, you know, my whole life, I mean, I grew up in a wealthy area with the richest county in Texas.
So, I mean, I was a poor boy from a middle-class family compared to these people.
You know, billionaires lived in the area I lived in.
And there was occultism everywhere.
I mean, rich people into the occult.
It was everywhere.
And then learning that the elite were into it.
I mean, people heard my show eight years ago.
I wasn't talking about Skull and Bones and Order of Death and New World War.
But I found out Hitler was into it.
The Bushes are into it.
The Rockefellers are into it.
I mean, you can confirm that they really are devil worshippers.
Butch, you talk about this being a spiritual battle.
I know it is.
I mean, I've experienced it.
But even the people don't believe that.
The elite does believe that.
That is what's governing things.
And what do you say to those that say, oh, it's not true, it's not happening?
Or those that say, you're not supposed to get angry at this.
I mean, is something wrong with me that I actually shake with anger sometimes?
Well, the scriptures tell us that Christ became angry more than once with the corrupt church.
We're good to go.
My mind is sitting on the right word.
He did call him.
He said, Fox.
That's like, let's call him a skunk.
He became angry more than once, and he tells us in the Scriptures that righteous people become angry over evildoers.
It's impossible, Alex.
I wrote a little book entitled This Far, No Further.
And there's a quote in it I put in there that goes to something to the effect that a righteous people cannot peacefully coexist with evil.
It's impossible.
Can light coexist with darkness?
Is that possible?
No, it's impossible.
Can cold coexist with heat?
It's impossible.
They're opposites.
They cannot go together.
And by the way, the evil people always say, oh, just let us have our ways.
It's not really evil.
But notice they're always trying to push their ways and always trying to outlaw what we do.
Well, absolutely.
That's because the church has become silent as a whole.
Here in West Virginia, I am the spearhead, I guess, with people behind me.
We are taking on the Department of Motor Vehicles right now over the National ID card.
We're not going to take it.
We are going to take it in the court if we have to to fight this in West Virginia.
The Senate National President.
And I shouldn't probably announce this on the air right now, but I'm going to in your program.
Possibly, I'll be running for governor this next election on the Constitutional Party.
But that's beside the point.
The point is, I am called out of the world to do battle against the world system.
I am willing, more than willing, to obey a righteous government.
We need government.
The Scripture tells us in 1 Timothy 1, verse 9, that the law was given for the lawless, not for the righteous.
So we need righteous laws to govern evil people.
But I will not, I cannot, follow a tyrant
Well, I mean, here's an example.
Here's an example.
We have a White House counsel who says they can torture people's children and crush their testicles in front of their parents.
And he gets asked about it in front of a crowd of 2,000 students in Chicago, and he says, yes, yes, the president can do that if he wants to.
I mean, that is pure, open Joseph Mingala Nazi evil that Wu, or you, is out promoting.
And then meanwhile, when a state trooper pulls me over and gives me a ticket when I'm not even speeding because he doesn't know what he's doing, he's not himself an evil person, I would imagine, but...
The government he's working for, the U.S.
Because it's federal, folks.
State Police were set up by Roosevelt.
They're all federal.
Their own charters are actually federal.
We have a government that's tested chemical and biological and radiologicals on us 3,000 plus times.
Declassified in the 70s.
Church hearings.
We have a government that openly has engaged in mass kidnapping with dying core and others.
It's public.
I mean, how does any part of the government have moral authority when the heads...
When the Citadel leaders, when the governors of the New World Order are just pure pit-of-hell evil.
Well, they don't.
But you see, the problem is, neither does the current, what we'll call it, the church.
I hate to use that word church to cover them all, but they're not.
Because they're not churches, they're corporations.
They have also lost their moral authority.
People say, Pastor, how do you preach so straightforwardly?
And I sense the power in what you say.
It's not me, Alex.
I'm only a servant.
But inside me dwells the power of the Almighty God, the Holy Ghost, the second glory of God.
Well, when we come back, we'll take some calls, Al, and others that are holding 1-800-259-9231, 800-259-9231, and I want to throw out some news items for Butch to comment on as well.
I want to get his take on Pat Robertson.
Pat Robertson says taking a microchip's not bad.
Face scanning to get a library book isn't bad.
I mean, what's wrong with that?
We're on the march.
The empire's on the run.
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From all the numbers and the statistics and the common sense and my own experiences, I've found that when you really just commit 110% to something that's good, well, it's like the old founder of the Texas Rangers had to say.
Let me just read people the quote here.
No man in the wrong can stand up against a fellow that's in the right and that keeps on a coming.
Texas Ranger Captain Bill McDonald.
But, I mean, that means standing up for what you believe in, not rationalizing and making excuses to yourself.
But I found that the people that go along with the system get fed on by it even more than the people that fight against it.
You know, the scam is people think that going along with something actually keeps them safe.
And in my experience, I've found going along with something wrong just leads to stagnation and destruction.
Well, might doesn't make right.
Right makes might.
A righteous man will not stop.
He cannot stop because he's driven by a force greater than himself.
By the way, Alex, if you don't mind, I'd like to tell the folks how they can contact me if they would like.
And tell them about that render to Caesar video.
They can contact me by calling the toll-free number, 800-777.
You're still doing Call to Decision, aren't you?
Well, that's the same thing.
Both of them go to the same link.
PastorButch.com and CallToDecision.com are both the same.
And also on shortwave every night on 5850.
We're 7490.
And that's from 8 to 9 Central Time, also on a lot of different AM and FM stations around the country.
Give folks that number again, because rendering the Caesar is excellent.
Call me.
We'll go off the air.
Glad to talk to you about getting a copy of that.
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But anyway, back to the topic.
And I don't know how much plainer I can say this.
And I am a simple man.
I really sincerely am.
I'm a hillbilly.
I was born and raised in a coal mining camp.
I lived on a holler by myself here in the hills of West Virginia.
We're alone in a very private area.
I love it that way.
I'm a simple person.
I like simple things.
No, I experienced the exact same thing.
It kept me stopped.
Well, I've also found that every time I get a death threat or I've been physically attacked or something bad happens, every time I seem to double what I'm doing... That's like saying, stick them to a dog.
...and an incredible, you know, the comforter.
I mean, it really does come.
That's like saying, stick them to a dog.
I just want to hear them that much harder.
We have the most corrupt government in the history of the world.
The United States of America is the most corrupt government in the history of the world, bar none.
We have slave trade.
We murder our babies.
We're bombing the world to oblivion for the New World Order.
We are the most corrupt government.
Yet at one time, we had the most righteous government in the world's history.
And we, by the way, I can prove this too.
I did a three-hour teaching on this.
We are the end-time Babylon.
This is biblical.
I can prove it by hundreds of scriptures.
We were once a golden cup in the hand of the Lord and now we are a cup of bitterness in His hand.
We had everything that the world would desire.
A Christian nation, power, prosperity.
We threw it all away for materialism.
And a lack of concern.
The churches have become very materialistic and very puny.
They had no power.
No, I watch TV and all they do is gibber about how to make money.
They really like voodoo.
Oh, yes.
They've been claiming.
Pat Robertson.
You mentioned Pat Robertson.
Pat Robertson is a fraud.
And I'm saying it very clearly.
The man bought diamond mines in Africa with people's money.
A fraud.
Where they machine gunned and killed a bunch of people.
He bought a racehorse named Mr. Pat.
And a racehorse now.
Now listen, I have nothing against a preacher and a good horse.
I used to have one myself years ago.
I'd spend $2,000 or $3,000 on a good horse.
Do it.
But he bought a racehorse for half a million dollars.
He had another one that he took out to stud for $100,000.
Come on, folks.
Is this what you're supposed to do with the money that Christ gives you to further the gospel?
Well, I mean, forget all that.
He said on CNN that China's forced abortion and infanticide is what they've got to do.
He also said taking a chip is not evil.
Facial scans are not evil.
These people are killing this nation.
Well, I played the clip a few weeks ago where he actually said, Oh, get used to Big Brother.
It's good for you, and it's not a problem, and the kids having the thumb scan to check their books out is no big deal.
Well, that's because he is a 501c3 corporate whore.
The man's a multi-millionaire, Alex.
And he did it because... Multi-millionaire?
One time he owned like 30 cable channels.
He is a multi-millionaire, along with a lot of others, I say, like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland and a bunch of them.
And I'm walking on toes and I don't care.
I have it on video, Billy Graham saying that you don't have to know Christ to be a Christian.
I have all this on video.
I'm not making it up.
I wouldn't lie about this.
I can prove what I say or I wouldn't say it.
These people are frauds, and they're men because they're frauds.
Satan pays his people well on earth temporarily.
Sin has plagued it for a season.
But payday's coming for all of us one day, Alex.
One day, we're going to stand before a supreme being that our Supreme Court cannot save us from.
Well, I'll say this.
I mean, we're being judged by our evil actions.
You know, all throughout the Bible and history and common sense shows...
That if you let an evil government get into place and do whatever it wants, you're going to get hurt, or those that you love are going to be hurt by it, at the bare minimum.
And we get judged in this life, too, by what we do.
Nations are judged in the here and now, and so are individuals to a point.
But all nations are judged in the here and now.
Not in the hereafter, but here and now.
Thomas Jefferson said this back in the 1800s.
He said, The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots,
And tyrants.
It's just natural manure.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
That is a price of liberty.
It's blood.
It's paid for in blood.
Christ paid for it in His blood.
He said where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
And you know, these people that say name it and claim it and don't worry about anything and we're all going to be raptured out.
Christ talked about how we'll be persecuted and that's how we're what?
But no, not according to them.
You're supposed to get millions of dollars and just everybody loves you.
All those that shall live godly in Christ Jesus shall be persecuted.
That's pretty clear.
He said, if you love me, the world's going to hate you.
So if the world loves you, you're none of mine, he said.
Now, these are his words, not mine.
And I'm going to preach them just like it says it.
And we have right now in the White House...
The most corrupt president in my lifetime.
Well, I mean, I can't believe that they're actually coming out and saying, we torture children, and we're allowed to crush their private parts off, and the president's allowed to do that.
I mean, that's just... They should all be arrested instantly.
I mean, it's just...
Well, where is the cry of righteous indignation?
I mean, how common sense is it?
I mean, torturing people is bad, but my gosh, torturing little kids, I mean, that's Jeffrey Dahmer.
I mean, we murder 4,000 babies a day, tear them apart in the womb and throw them in the trash can.
So what's the difference between the ones we can see and the ones we can't see?
There is no difference.
Man's conscience has become seared to evil.
And the churches are the biggest party to that because they no longer speak forth righteousness.
George Bush is a piece of scum.
He either took out the nearest tree and hung, and I'd be glad to furnish the rope or pour the rope.
I'm not ashamed to say that.
He's a tyrant.
He's a Luciferian.
These people, and Pat Robertson's another one, should be took out and hung from the highest tree for treason, and not only against their nation, but against Almighty God.
Well, I'll say this.
Paul Craig Roberts, number two Treasury Department for Ronald Reagan,
Said the exact same thing, basically, about two months ago.
A lot of other people are saying, and I'll say this, all the criminals of the New World Order would need to be tried by a jury and due process, and then they need to be punished for their criminal activities.
And, you know, again, we see mass evil.
Either people are getting more and more evil, or they're getting more and more awake.
I do see a lot of people waking up, though, Pastor.
Well, there are more coming along.
I just pray it's enough past enough.
You know, during the Revolution, 1600s, 1700s, the light of the Revolution was the pulpits of the churches.
They were aflame with righteousness.
The power behind the Revolution were the sermons preached by Peter Gilbert Muhlenberg and Jonas Clark and many others who led the battles of the war for liberty, who said that we cannot tolerate this, to deny, to let King George or any other tyrant
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
Continue to go down the road of tyranny.
We will go to hell for accepting the final mark of the beast scenario.
And folks, it's upon us right now.
The National ID card becomes law in 2008.
Your states are going to enforce it.
Our states won the first.
We're going to fight it here in this state.
You're going to have to have it to do anything.
Let's take some calls before we run out of time here.
I do want to point out that George Bush is really just a puppet in my big geopolitical calculation board here.
We're good to go.
I would really like to even go past the puppets and then see due process there and make sure that was dealt with.
Now, Al, try to make it quick, because I've had a load of phone lines the whole show.
Al earlier called in, and he was saying something about how God's people are supposed to take this passive, weak position.
And I ran up against a break, so I said, hold, Al, and if he's still there, we'll let him come up and ask his question or make his comment.
Al, go ahead.
Well, I'm still here, and I think it's going to take quite some time.
Well, no, I mean, I understand this is such a big, lofty thing you're going to tell us, but you already said about five times earlier, this is really big and lofty.
Just boil down your argument for us.
Well, let's put it this way.
Some things in the Bible, they apply to certain people at certain times in history, and other things don't apply to them at that time in history.
And even in the times in history where
I don't even know what you're going to say, but let me just guess.
We should lay down to the government.
Specifically, under the Christian Greek scriptures and the Hebrew scriptures, it says that we should not bear arms anymore.
No, no, no, sir.
That is not in your Bible anywhere.
Read Luke 22, 36 to me out loud and what Christ said.
That is not scriptural at all.
He says in that context that...
This is just before the time when he was about to go in the Garden of Gethsemane and Peter took the sword and sliced off the guy's ear.
So in that context, Peter just said previously, you'll need to take the sword with you.
So hold on, it was wrong to fight Hitler?
No, the question is... Was it wrong to fight, I guess, King George?
Well, if these Christians in these nations have supposedly been following their Christian way of life, no one in the military would have ever joined the military.
Okay, that's delusional.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Thanks for the call.
Wait a minute, sir.
You don't have anything.
There's nothing there.
This man is totally out of it.
Imagine if he was a father and had kids.
I should have kept him on.
He's just going to let some pig come in and rape and kill his family and rob him?
I have had people like him tell me, well, what I'll do is I'll fall down on my knees and pray whether to rape my wife.
What a piece of scum.
He'll be taken out and hung.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Well, I mean, it's just not true.
It's not true.
The whole Bible is people not minding the government and being killed for it or taking the government over.
The scripture tells me that I must provide for my own, or I deny the face of worse than infidel.
The 1828... Well, what are the scriptures about if your enemy comes into your home, rise up and kill him quickly?
It's total cowardice.
It's just so they can run around with limp wrists and go, and never stand up against anything, never get shoved around, never get in a fight.
I just cannot believe it.
That kind of teaching makes me sad.
But, I mean, did you just hear the weakness, though?
I mean, you could just tell.
Oh, yes.
It was pure weakness.
That was satanic power, weakness, trying to come through.
Yes, go ahead.
I just, man, what do you say to that?
Chris and Mass, go ahead.
Go ahead, Chris.
Oh, hey, yeah.
You're on the air.
Thanks a lot for just telling everyone straight up that it is a battle between good and evil.
And God damn, what the hell are we going to do?
Well, you know, I don't know what we're going to do here.
I just know that I'm not going to miss the forest for the trees.
And, you know, we should try to be respectful to God.
I know that.
And I appreciate your call.
But what do we do?
We learn to find our backbones again.
I mean, I learned this real quick when I was like 12 years old and four guys were around me beating me up for no reason walking home from school.
And I learned the next time it was a lot easier just to start fighting them.
And, you know, if four guys jump on you, pick up a rock next time, and when you crush somebody's skull in, they're not going to come at you next time or beat up the next ten people.
I mean, it's just... Paul told Timothy in the Scriptures to put on the whole armor of God.
Now, read it for yourself, ladies and gentlemen.
To be a warrior.
That doesn't mean just spiritual warrior.
We're trained to be warriors.
And a warrior is trained to fight.
And a warrior who's not in battle is not a happy warrior.
So please, y'all that don't believe in fighting and doing what's right, Well, listen to the circular logic that we heard from the individual earlier.
And Al, you can call back in tomorrow or something if you want.
I didn't mean to cut you off or be mean.
I don't know what your problem is.
But, oh, so the men wouldn't have joined the British military if their king wasn't Christian.
Well, wait, so now you've got to decide who was Christian.
Was it the king or was it America?
I mean, he was actually saying America was bad.
Yes, that's right.
I mean, it's just, and then I said, so we shouldn't have fought Hitler.
Or we shouldn't have fought anybody.
I mean, where does this come from?
It comes from the pits of hell and the pacifism that's been taught from the churches today because he probably belongs to a 5-1-3-3 Baptist church who wouldn't stand for anything unless it's a free lunch.
Go ahead, Alex.
Well, I mean, you know, oh, let's follow the orders of the black ski mask cops with 25-inch arms with giant skull tattoos all over them.
Oh, let's turn our guns in so they can have our way with us.
Yeah, let's let them sodomize their sons, rape their daughters, take their wives off and cut off their breasts and laugh at them.
Now, folks, you think I'm making this up.
They've done this all over the world.
They're doing it right now in China and other places.
They'll take a pregnant woman, tie her to a tree, sit her up in her womb.
Watch your baby fall.
I stomped a baby in front of her and then killed her.
Now that's what a Christian should tolerate and sit back and say, well, I'll pray about it.
You bunch of hypocrites.
Just trash scum.
I mean, scum.
I mean, exactly.
You know, I mean, just ten years ago we'd complain about a massacre in China.
Now that's not even in the news.
Oh, they mowed down a couple villages.
Ah, so what?
Ah, the Lord's coming soon.
We'll be all right.
Just wait for the rapture.
I'm the one saved dog.
Say, don't worry about it.
Live like hell and go to heaven.
I know what to say.
And I tell you, it's... You got me fired up, Alex.
Well, that guy got me fired up.
I just... It's just a... But we have to lay down.
We have to... We have to... What really happened September 11th, and who stands to gain?
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You know, Butch, I think a lot of it is some of these people, and I'm sure you look a lot more than I am, in the military and doing special ops in Vietnam and being a preacher for 30 years and a grandpa now.
I'm a father.
I've seen a lot of stuff myself.
Nothing compared to a lot of people.
But I know the world's a rough place.
I know it isn't a joke.
And I know that God smiles on those that, you know, there's an old Bedouin saying, trust in God, but tie up your camel.
You know, I mean, God helps those that help themselves.
And I just don't know what to say.
Just spread the truth like you've been doing.
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Win or lose in this world, we're going to answer one day to a righteous God who's going to determine our eternal destiny.
Not by what we thought, but how much we obeyed Him.
Well, I know this.
I don't really have any more fear.
I am secure.
I know that when I'm fighting the New World Order, that's where I'm supposed to be.
I mean, if I'm out, you know, just lavishing myself, relaxing, I don't feel good.
I mean, we're supposed to be in this fight.
Alex, there are times when me as a man, Pastor Bush, would just love to go fishing and say, forget it, let the world go to hell, I'm going to go fishing.
But I can't.
I can't do it.
Let's cram one call in.
I know, people, we've got to give ourselves over to doing the right thing.
Jason in Maryland, last caller, go ahead.
Hello, you guys make some good points, but I was wondering what your interpretation of
1 Peter 2, verse 19 is... Get my audio tape.
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Get the video tape and explain the whole thing to me.
Sir, I'm trying to pose a question to you.
Okay, we're almost out of time.
Go ahead.
For this is thankworthy if a man for a good conscience towards the Father endureth grief, suffering wrongfully.
For what is it glory if you be by faith for your faults when you take it patiently?
But ye do well if you suffer...
Okay, stop right there.
That means suffering while you're fighting.
It doesn't mean just suffer for no reason.
It means you're going to be suffering because you're going to be fighting.
I mean, how can you take that and twist it?
It's saying you suffer to do the right thing.
Man, I tell you, I mean, it's just any way to... Yeah, we do.
Any way to weasel out of this stuff.
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