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	Big Brother.
	Mainstream media.
	Government cover-ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Hello, my friends.
	The seventh day of June, 2005.
	We'll be live for the next three hours.
	Two big guests coming up.
	We've got the president of the Social Anthropology Association over in England coming on to talk about, well, our CIA.
	It's not just paying off most of the different research heads in this country and many of the students in key areas, but also overseas.
	Buying up all the young minds to go out and basically have covert agents and spies everywhere.
	Remember, we have a government that will pay 242 million dollars for one buy of fake newscasts for one federal issue they wanted to push.
	Billions and billions and billions and billions.
	We know it's in the tens of billions.
	Per year is spent
	On covert propaganda against the American people and the people of the world.
	So we'll be discussing that also.
	We're going to have a gentleman who worked at the highest levels of the Reagan administration, also inside the NSA, Wayne Madison, coming on.
	to give us a really uh... a wide view of uh... just many of the different uh... things that are going on with this high-tech NSA control grid and the latest police state developments as well and we're gonna have open phones toll-free number to join us here on air 1-800-259-9231 I was watching Fox television
	A couple days ago, and they had the President of Amnesty International on.
	They were basically screaming at him, haranguing him, saying, you don't have any proof of torture.
	You've made all this up.
	And the Amnesty International head, Mr. Shultz,
	Didn't do a very good job of bringing forward the evidence.
	I mean, he didn't say, we have the Attorney General's own memos, when he was Chief Counsel at the White House, saying we can torture people to death, we can strap them to tables and dunk them in water, ordering the military to carry out this.
	He didn't mention all the photos of people beaten to death, or Brigadier General Tagumba's own report of a year and a half ago.
	He didn't mention Brigadier General Rick Baucus quitting, leaving Camp X for refusing to torture.
	He didn't mention a month ago, uh, one of the chief interrogators quitting and saying they were torturing people.
	I mean, but I guess Fox News commentator wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise to begin with, so.
	But I mean, I wish they'd put me on camera.
	I mean, I would skewer those little government pimps.
	And then now WorldNetDaily's got an article about, be like John Wayne, don't apologize to the Muslims.
	Why, they need to apologize to us.
	You're not with the Muslims, are ya?
	Why, they're bad!
	They torture people!
	I mean, it's... it's so crazy.
	So I want to go over torture.
	But I've been talking about it a long time ago.
	I remember about three or four years ago, I was always talking about torture.
	I put it in Road to Tyranny.
	Really focused on it.
	People were like, why are you talking about torture so much?
	Because it was going on all over the planet.
	In our government, our illegitimate government has really exported it everywhere and they mean for the rest of the planet to learn of it, but domestically we're not supposed to find out about it.
	Very sophisticated propaganda game we're talking about and we're going to go over it.
	Also, personal data of 3.9 million people lost in transit.
	So that's another big identity theft problem, but that's okay.
	Let's just take microchips and that'll fix it.
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	Hollywood puts the bill for spy cams more on that.
	Tanks rolling around in New York City.
	But none of that's important.
	We'll talk about Russell Crowe throwing a telephone at somebody.
	Or Michael Jackson, perhaps.
	There's a lot coming up, stay with us.
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	From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
	It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
	We've got John Leadhill, President of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists, joining us, coming up a little bit later, to talk about how our government, our CIA, is basically buying off their best and brightest minds at the universities.
	While they go to school, they are basically CIA officers, they go to CIA secret training camps during the summer, they get all their expenses and tuition paid, and they're not allowed to tell anybody about it.
	And it's the same for a lot of people in the psychology departments, in the engineering departments, and in this country it's almost 90% of all of the actual science graduate students
	Their funding comes from the Defense Department or from allied agencies, DARPA and others, and a large portion of those, we're not sure how many, but a large portion, an ocean of them, are on the NSA, CIA, Defense Intelligence, Department of Education, Department of Transportation, Department of Agriculture, secret payroll!
	Boy, I tell ya, working for the globalists really pays off!
	Meanwhile, the rest of the economy shuts down, but the entire intelligentsia is bought and paid for from the time they even begin to get ready to leave college.
	So that's coming up.
	Also, we will get into what's happening with the police state with Wayne Madison.
	We'll expose Karl Rove.
	We'll talk about the neocon power grab at the NSA and an attempt to stifle the press in America.
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	Coming up a little bit later as well.
	Just an important little addendum or side note to our Bohemian Grove coverage.
	Up until my infiltration of Bohemian Grove in July of 2000, coming up on the fifth year, five year anniversary here in a few months,
	Before we snuck in there, there were probably about 30 or 40 news reports going back to turn of the last century, you know, 1905, where it would talk about Howard Taft going there and how the elite of America would meet in a Redwood retreat.
	Presidents and others would travel by train, you know, over a week to get there.
	They would meet under heavy guard in the woods and do bizarre rituals just for fun.
	And there was one photo that had been snuck out during the 1980s of men in red and black robes standing around a big 45 foot stone owl engaging in a mock sacrifice.
	And then I had a few news reports about gay prostitutes being shipped in for them and people running around naked in the woods.
	This was in major publications like Parade Magazine, Spy Magazine, Washington Times, things of that nature.
	So in 2000, myself and Mike Hanson snuck in and we were in there five hours and got the cremation of care ceremony, the kickoff, every July 15th on video.
	There are rituals held every other day during the 15 day encampment from July 15th to July 30th and right on time at dusk they did exactly what we had heard in the legends.
	Well, since then
	The Grove has gone public.
	They've talked to the Wall Street Journal.
	They've talked to the New York Times.
	They have released photos.
	They say it's no big deal.
	They released a photo last year for the 100 Greatest Vintage Photos for National Geographic and it said, Mock Human Sacrifice.
	And that's all in a giant archive on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
	About three years ago I was mailed a rare book
	That we then checked the value of.
	Rare Book Dealers were offering $850 something dollars for it.
	There's only a couple hundred of these printed every ten years for select members or leaders of different camps.
	There's over a hundred camps within this gorge in between two mountains there in Sonoma County, right outside the tiny town of Montereo.
	And since then, we have purchased two additional annals.
	And we have been sent photos about people who purchased others who have scanned them in.
	Then we check with the rare book dealers and do confirm that yes indeed these are authentic.
	So I guess all told we've got either the scans or the actual annals for seven different volumes.
	We have one from 1909 showing a black boy tied down with men standing around him.
	I don't know what they're doing but it looks like
	It doesn't look like the black boy who looks like he's about age 7 or 8 isn't doing too well.
	But we now have more exclusive photos on PrisonPlanet.com from a reader.
	Hello, I was able to get a copy of volume 6 of the Annals of the Bohemian Club from 1973 to 1987.
	And now I have 87 to 96.
	That was the first one I got.
	Here are three pictures.
	The first is the 1976 cremation of care ritual.
	The second is a page from 317 and talks about the cremation of care ceremony.
	Yes, their own publication saying it is a mock human sacrifice.
	We've got a high quality digital scan in there.
	You can read the entire thing and look at the photo.
	The last is George Bush Senior quote among spies.
	Keep up the great work.
	Click for enlargements.
	We have the druidic practitioners around the burning body.
	That's the first photo.
	Then we have the cremation of Kerr page from page 317, where they describe the macabre ritual.
	And it is very, very interesting.
	And then we have them all joking as they're dressed up like spies, because that's really what they are.
	I wanted to just read part of this from page 317.
	From the mid-summer encampment itself, the oldest camp-related tradition of Bohemia is the ritual of the cremation of care.
	The 15 years encompassed by the annals witness that 100th performance of the rite in which the high priest once again cries, mid-summer sets us free.
	This is from the mid-1980s, so they were saying that was the 100th year.
	They're well into their 120th.
	Those words have a powerful effect on bohemians.
	The idea is one of great power.
	Again, I'm reading from their own publication.
	Because the club has continued to celebrate this liberation from such a long period.
	Again, liberation from conscience.
	From your conscience.
	Serious black magic, folks.
	Because the dangers of black magic, according to practitioners, is it comes back on you many fold.
	You reap what you sow.
	And so it's a complex ritual of basically putting the hood you, or all the bad stuff that comes back on you, into this child you kill.
	And we've interviewed, you know, top, even secular experts on the occult, Christian experts on the occult, the annals of black magic.
	I mean, this is really bad stuff, folks.
	This is as bad as it gets.
	And, uh, continuing.
	Even the protesters at the gate understand the message when they hold up signs reminding Bohemians returning to the city that Dolecare awaits, and await he does.
	So they make a comment about the protesters.
	And I've got video of the protesters doing their own ritual to quote counter them.
	It's sick folks.
	But each summer we burn the in this grove and so far for a little while bohemians are free from dull care and can devote themselves to the pleasures of the grove in the midsummer encampment.
	The cremation of care has become a mixture of two strains
	In the club, one serious and the other deriding seriousness.
	Some cremations may have been fairly serious, but they have always been characterized as mock ceremonials from the earliest days.
	When the present grove was first used by the club encampment, and I didn't have this when I made Dark Secrets four and a half years ago, inside Bohemian Grove, but I talk about how it is a real ritual, but they have the outer
	facade for new members.
	That's exactly what it says here.
	When the present grove was first used by the club, encampment were crowded into a single day and the cremation took place in the middle of the celebrations.
	Early grove plays provided a care figure whose besting was the climax of the play and his effigy was escorted down the side or center aisle of the theater to a funeral courtage.
	The courtage of the high priest, attendants, and the entire audience went to a meadow where the lake is now located, and placed the effigy on a great funeral pyre that was filled with sky rockets and Roman candles.
	The mock ritual proceeded there, and when the effigy and the bonfire were lighted, the sky was filled with Bohemian rejoicing.
	The Bohemians of that era must have had a far stronger... I can't even read that, it's blurred, I'm sorry.
	Constituations of the day's members for their outbursts led to the low jinks that was followed in turn by supper perhaps, in reality an early and substantial breakfast.
	Then on to the trains for a quick trip back to town and invariably to care.
	In the last 15 years the use of fireworks at the end of the cremation has become, and then it goes on to say it's a druidic ritual,
	We'll get to that veritic ritual part when we get back.
	It's on prisonplanet.com.
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	On page 258... of the annals of the Bohemian Grove...
	From the mid-1970s to the mid-1980s, it shows all the Druidic practitioners around the burning body and the owl, and it says, The summer encampment begins with one of the Bohemia's oldest traditions, the cremation of care, where dull care is banished annually by this mock Druidic rite.
	The ceremony is modified slightly each year by different directors.
	The high priest presides at the owl shrine in this 1976
	Now, where do you think plays come from?
	You've got the actors up on stage, you've got the neophytes or the minions, the crowd watching.
	That's where we get all this.
	And they say in here that this is serious.
	Bohemian Rhapsody members take it very serious.
	The great power they get from it.
	And they say, oh, but it's just for fun.
	It's all double speak.
	Right out in the open.
	These are your Christian, conservative leaders.
	Enough on Bohemian Grove.
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	Los Alamos whistleblower severely beaten.
	They beat him up and then threatened him to keep his mouth shut.
	A Los Angeles National Laboratory whistleblower who has uncovered irregularities, one of their non-irregularities, involving millions of dollars
	Of taxpayer money, the government-backed facility was brutally beaten this past weekend.
	According to several news reports, Auditor Tommy Hook, who was investigating all of this corruption, was violently attacked by three or four anonymous assailants who allegedly ordered him to keep quiet.
	That happened to me one time, but they got as good as they gave.
	Hook was scheduled to testify before Congress later this month, but is now in the hospital in very serious condition.
	On Saturday night, Hook went to the Santa Fe bar, essentially to meet a person claiming to be a fellow Los Angeles whistleblower, Los Alamos whistleblower, who called that night.
	Hook's wife sues us that her husband did not frequent bars.
	When the person did not show up, Hook left the bar.
	After consuming two drinks in the parking lot, he was yanked from his car and beaten so badly by three or four men that he had to be taken to intensive care in the local emergency room.
	There's photos of him on the website.
	He is beaten to a pulp.
	And, uh, this is just folks.
	There's three trillion plus dollars missing from the Pentagon, and when the House Armed Services Committee, when questions are posed, year after year, they just say, we can't talk about it, we're not going to talk about it.
	But you wonder why the globalists want tyranny.
	The big reason is so they can just steal whatever they want, however they want, and so no one can challenge them.
	Meanwhile, they're putting up cameras to see if you're selling ripped-off DVDs, or dropping bubble gum on the ground, or dumping trash, or, you know, smoking pot.
	I've got articles here about cops with night vision all over the streets, looking in your cars from hidden positions, you know.
	Are you smoking cigarettes?
	Oh, are you drinking?
	Are you smoking pot?
	Or are you throwing cigarettes out your window?
	Meanwhile, the border is wide open.
	They won't put people with night vision on the border.
	Oh, I'm starting to rant and rave here.
	It's just there's so much.
	So much happening, so much corruption.
	Personal data for $3.9 million lost in transit.
	First, it was Bank of America with 650,000 people a few weeks ago, selling the data to a scam artist.
	Again, most of the data
	He's not coming from the internet purchases.
	It's not coming from, you know, somebody at the gas station ripping off your credit card and selling it to his cousin Habib.
	That's a big part of it though.
	No, it's not what the media focuses on.
	It is companies selling data.
	And here it is again.
	One of the largest breaches of data security to date.
	City Financial, the consumer finance subsidiary of Citigroup, announced yesterday that a box of computer tapes containing information on 3.9 million customers was lost by United Parcel Service last month while in transit to a credit reporting agency.
	Guaranteed, that was an NSA handoff.
	I mean, that's probably what it is.
	And then they claim it's a theft, and then push for national ID card control.
	Executives at Citigroup said the tape was picked up by UPS early in May and had not been seen since.
	The tapes contained names, addresses, social security numbers, account numbers, payment histories, and other details on small personal loans made to millions of customers throughout Citi Financial's network of more than 1,800 lending branches or to retailers whose product financing was handled by Citi Financial's retail services division.
	Of course, that has all your personal data and is a big problem.
	And the reason I say it's probably the government, we've caught them in fake thefts of driver's license photos, and then it's the government.
	We've, by, you know, they'll stage this.
	The government will actually approach employees about stealing for them.
	The company said there was no indication that the tapes had been stolen or that any of the data in them had been compromised.
	No, the packages disappeared for months.
	So, uh, that interesting little tidbit.
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	Which, I'm happy.
	I mean, I'm glad that
	So many people are talking about what I'm talking about, that I'm not the only target floating around here.
	Believe me, folks, this isn't... A lot of so-called patriots are egomaniacs.
	They get very upset when other people talk about stuff that they're talking about.
	They get very upset when they're not the center of attention.
	I'm the complete opposite.
	That's why you hear other talk show hosts every week on this broadcast.
	That's why you hear all the other
	Major websites that fight the New World Order on this transmission.
	Anybody who really puts out good info, who cares about freedom, who loves liberty, whether they call themselves conservative or liberal, more and more though people don't use those labels, anybody that's exposing the Patriot Acts, or the open borders, or gun control,
	You know, we have the border groups on that are trying to control the borders.
	We have the Second Amendment groups on.
	We have the land rights organizations on.
	We have real environmental groups on who are fighting genetic engineering and the toxic waste dumping.
	We fight the phony environmental groups that are out busy stealing private property from the Ford and Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations.
	And so, we're here as a nexus point to try to bring people together.
	We do not have stalkers on.
	We do not have government operatives on.
	We do not have egomaniacs on.
	I mean, there are egomaniacs out there that attack me on a routine basis, and I'll never have them on this broadcast, as they squeal angrily, attacking everyone under the sun.
	We will have, though, establishment enemies on, if they're big enough caliber, like Benjamin Chertoff of Popular Mechanics, who refuses to come on, because we're going to expose him and his cousin, Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security.
	We want to get William F. Jasper on, to find out what his deal is, attacking the 9-11 Truth Movement.
	We want to get all these individuals on, but if they're just purely
	They're there to sap energy and distract.
	We don't do it.
	We don't traffic in it, ladies and gentlemen.
	We're about the information war, first and foremost.
	I want to try to get Ann Coulter back on.
	That's got to be the all-time most ridiculous interview.
	I don't know.
	She might be a close second with that police chief up in Bergen County, County Police Chief, who said that he's taking the microchip and if the government orders us all to take microchips, he'll enforce it.
	That guy was right out of the Twilight Zone.
	We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.
	Here's just a shotgun of some of the news we have in front of us.
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	Leukemia risk 70% higher for children near power lines.
	The evidence of this is absolutely overwhelming.
	There are literally hundreds of major scientific reports that I have seen detailing this.
	Hollywood foots bill for spy cams.
	We talked about this last week, but new developments there.
	Also, Russell Crowe charged for throwing a telephone.
	Who cares if some Hollywood brat
	Throws a telephone at a concierge at a hotel.
	Who cares about Michael Jackson?
	That's my comment on that.
	The world attack on Amnesty International, and they're refusing to back down from Gulag comments.
	I mean, what do you call secret prisons where people are tortured to death?
	Hundreds of them all over the world.
	The armies, again, folks,
	I rarely watch TV, but I saw the head of Amnesty International, Mr. Schultz, William Schultz, on Fox News.
	And maybe you saw it, but they hardly let the guy talk.
	And they try to play partisan politics.
	Oh, you're an evil liberal.
	Oh, you gave money personally to John Kerry.
	Oh, boo-hoo.
	Well, John Kerry's for the war.
	John Kerry's covered up the torture.
	John Kerry is two mates with his cousin, George
	W. Bush.
	Doesn't even matter.
	And frankly, watching Mr. Schultz, who I'm trying to get on, I mean, I think he dropped the ball.
	But perhaps they wouldn't let him get a word in edgewise.
	I mean, I've really seen Amnesty International whitewashed over the years.
	And here was the Fox News pundit saying, where's your proof?
	Where's your facts?
	Come on, come on, show them to me!
	And he would point out that, well, you're flying people to secret countries in your own photographs of torture, and, well, it's not really torture, it's pressure.
	Well, Rumsfeld says, you know, do this, but he wouldn't really let him talk, and I wish I could have been on the show.
	They would have had to just shut me down and turn my microphone off, which I've seen them do to other guests who do put up a fight.
	I would have said, in rapid order,
	Rumsfeld has been all over television after 9-11 saying we're torturing people, quote, we're, you know, we're taking the gloves off, we're getting our hands dirty, we're pressuring them.
	There have been several hundred admitted deaths of detainees all over the world, and to his credit, Mr. Schultz did mention that.
	Alberto Gonzalez, when he was Chief Counsel to the President, now Attorney General, in five different memos, there's a total of ten, but five are really bad, said, we can pressure someone until they die and have organ failure, but if we didn't mean to kill them, it's not torture.
	So I guess semantically, killing somebody isn't even torture, so you can, again, semantically change what the word means and then claim we're not torturing.
	He could have brought up Gonzales describing boiling people, pulling fingernails out, placing them on a table and sliding their head up their shoulders in excrement into urine.
	I mean, that's what you do.
	The Army's own reports have come out in the last three months, more this weekend, of the Army admitting urinating and defecating on Korans, as I told you months ago.
	But no, they didn't flush it down the toilet!
	Newsweek's problem was, in the translation, they said that they toileted it, and that's the Muslim term.
	They're even ashamed of body function, so they just say, they said the Koran was involved with toilet functions.
	And then, Newsweek, on purpose, by the way, the former top Newsweek executive is going to be a propagandist for Bush.
	This is all stage, folks.
	That's in the news today.
	Being well rewarded for their good job.
	And then, oh, the translation!
	It was put in a toilet.
	No, no, no, no.
	Or flushed down a toilet.
	Only one knows you can't flush it down a toilet.
	No.
	The people just said it was toileted.
	You know, it's, it's, it's... It's amazing, ladies and gentlemen.
	Oh, they've retracted.
	You can't flush it down the toilet.
	So, Brigadier General Rick Baucus came out and quit refusing to torture the head of Gitmo.
	There's an internal CIA torture base within the base that none of the aid groups are allowed in to see.
	Atmosphere, Red Cross.
	And to his credit, Shultz did bring that up.
	Shultz didn't bring up General Tagumba's report.
	And people always say, is that a joke?
	No, that's the real General.
	He's a Filipino-American, and he went and did the report for the Pentagon, and interviewed those involved, and they've admitted to it.
	They were ordered to torture people, and beat them to death, and rape them severely, and use acid on them, and other things we won't mention here.
	So I would have rattled off Brigadier General Rick Baucus, interrogators quitting refusing to torture, the admissions, the convictions, Alberto Gonzales' own memos.
	But they don't do that!
	They put up all these straw men on TV and in the newspaper.
	I mean, why didn't Shultz bring up the Deputy CIA Director, the Section Chief,
	In a January 2002 issue of the Washington Post saying, we fly them out to Egypt and to Jordan where we torture them and their families in front of them.
	I mean, it's in Road to Journey.
	Copy of the headline and zoom into the article.
	And he brags, back when they thought we'd all buy it, he brags, yeah, we
	We torture them and pressure their families in front of them.
	That's the quote.
	We torture the detainees and then take their families, including their children.
	I forgot about that part.
	Boy, that is really Mingalish.
	Very Joseph Mingalish.
	And I've had people on debating them on this broadcast about torture over the years.
	And, uh, well, Alex, what have they got above?
	And they're about to blow up a thousand G.I.s.
	You're, you're, you know, they always use that hypothetical.
	They use that on the news.
	They use that on the dramas, the fiction shows on TV.
	The law enforcement magazines promoted that idea before 9-11.
	I saw the trend then, saw them getting us ready for it.
	And now there's instances of cops torturing citizens all over the country.
	Tell me where the drugs are in your car.
	I'm going to break your arm.
	We've catheterized you.
	You're refusing to urinate.
	We're going to taser you twice when you're chained down.
	You know, just crazy stuff.
	Every week I see it.
	It's this mentality of we're evil and need to be tortured because torture's good!
	All these weak-minded people, all these weak-minded police watch these pop shows where the hero tortures people every episode and they identify with that and so there's no real terrorists and when they go out in the real world they end up torturing your wife.
	Or cutting your wife's finger off at a DUI checkpoint in Detroit.
	Remember that case?
	Here, let me just take a knife and cut your finger off.
	Put you in handcuffs, I'm going to cut your finger off.
	That'll teach you.
	Type it in.
	Detroit cop cuts woman's finger off.
	You don't believe me?
	You forgot about that?
	I mean, this stuff is so insane.
	So off the charts.
	There's several disgusting articles out of WorldNetDaily.
	One by this Prager character.
	It's in American value now.
	You know, you're with the evil Muslims that want to kill us all if you're against torture.
	Amnesty International and moral idiocy!
	Sometime in the 70's, I sent a donation to Amnesty International.
	As soon as I heard that a group had been formed to combat torture, I knew I had to support it.
	Good line, Prager.
	You're pretty slick.
	Dennis Prager.
	Unfortunately, like almost all international and domestic groups, the left took over Amnesty International.
	Yeah, you're right.
	That's why they whitewashed.
	And it devolved into another predictably anti-American, morally destructive organization.
	No, it's not.
	The de-evolution was most apparent years ago when Amnesty International listed the United States as a major violator of human rights because it executed murderers.
	Well, that's apples and oranges, folks.
	They also listed us because of the death squads being trained up there at the School of America.
	Fort Benning George and the organization
	Inability to morally distinguish between executing murderers and executing innocent people means that Amnesty International is worse than ineffectual.
	The good it has done, notwithstanding, it is becoming harmful to the cause of human rights.
	And it goes on.
	Amnesty International reached its nadir two weeks ago when the Secretary General of the organization, Irene Kahn, branded the U.S.
	prison camp at Guantanamo Bay the gulag of our times.
	Well, it is.
	And we're supporting Uzbekistan, and Moe's down 500 people, folks.
	And they shoot women like Snellgrove in the head and kill her for walking out of a restaurant after a Red Sox game.
	I mean, this isn't freedom.
	And then he goes on to whitewash what's going on at Gitmo.
	Hey, Prager!
	That's it, I want Prager on.
	Instant message, my producer, before I forget.
	I want Prager on.
	And get me, uh, Schnivler, uh, I keep meaning to get that Schnivler Michael Medvin on.
	I mean, I want all these snivellers on here.
	Bunch of snivellers.
	And it just goes on and on, but the sickest article is another one on World Net Daily, who I happen to think is better than some of the other neocon publications like Newsmax.
	I mean, they got some good stuff in here.
	But this kind of stuff makes me really ashamed to even be associated with them.
	Bush urged never to apologize to Muslims.
	Administration officially reported
	uh... and uh... inspired by official but by classic john wayne movie she wore a yellow ribbon and it says john wayne says never apologize to the indians because they'll just that shows weakness and bush who's a fake texan who loves to act like a fake texan loves to act like a texan he is obsessed with high noon and and and and other movies yeah i mean that shows how delusional he is folks
	And, uh, so this... things are being governed... And again, I like John Wayne.
	John Wayne wouldn't like George Bush.
	John Wayne doesn't like big government or gun control or torture.
	The article goes on, so cross your fingers, he takes the movie and the message to heart, the day the President of the United States announces that Muslims owe an apology to us, and not the other way around, will be the day that we truly begin to win this war.
	Hey, fools!
	Over at WorldNetDaily, because nobody put their name to this article.
	The official Pentagon Department of P-2-O-G says that they want to put out news that enrages the Muslims so that they do attack us overseas and so the war can be widened.
	It isn't about winning the war.
	It's about widening it, and having it go on as long as possible in Iraq, just like Vietnam, because that maximizes profits.
	The globalists are getting what they wanted in Iraq, in many respects.
	Though it could get so bad, they get thrown out early, which they don't want.
	So it may backfire on them.
	But they want a long, 10-year event, to literally make over a trillion dollars.
	They'll make over a trillion dollars.
	The current expenditures if they're there for ten years.
	And they say it'll be ten years.
	That's the model.
	Then they'll have a total puppet government in and get the four trillion in oil.
	That's five trillion total.
	Alright, we'll talk to Regina in Pennsylvania, Robert in Denver, Colorado and others when we get back.
	It's just so sick.
	We'll be right back.
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	Regina in Pennsylvania, thanks for holding.
	Hi Alex.
	Hello.
	How are you doing?
	Good.
	Hey, uh, Ann Coulter, please don't give us a headache with her again.
	She made it very clear that the lady is not a very deep thinker and she'll waste our time.
	Yeah, she's written a book about how the Patriot Act's good, and I said, what about Section 802?
	And she said, I haven't read the Patriot Act.
	So, you know, she gets enough play everywhere, Alex.
	Please don't, you know, these, you have listeners that are working towards
	Educating themselves.
	Please don't let us be drained by her.
	No, but listen, she woke a lot of people up.
	I mean, to hear that she writes books about stuff she hasn't read... But I know it now, Alex, and I want to hear you, and how about Will Christensen, National Vice Chair of the Independent American Party, or John Hamill, who's fighting tooth and nail to try to get Kodak's elementaries stopped, and has put out an alert, along with the Liberty Committee, putting out an alert to
	Support Ron Paul's H.J.
	Resolution 27 to stop the authority over us of the WTO.
	Yeah, for those that don't know, they're basically going to regulate and make Vitamins prescription and I'll get him on.
	I've meant to get him on.
	I heard him on the radio once.
	I've read his alerts.
	Why don't you send me his contact info?
	Okay, you're talking about... I'm having trouble by email.
	You mean through the mail?
	No, no, the Codex Alimentarius.
	Okay, by what means do you want me to send it to you?
	Chipsandinfowars.com.
	I have trouble getting through that.
	I have a couple... another bill... I know, my email's all screwed up.
	Uh, could I give you another bill?
	Sure.
	Okay, you want me to get off?
	Yeah, go ahead, keep talking.
	Okay, uh, the other bill that, uh, besides this H.J.
	Resolution, uh, 27, stop us, get us out of the WTO, get your Congress on that.
	Uh, 202-224-3123.
	Stay there, we'll hear about it when we get back.
	Hello, folks!
	Big Brother.
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	Well, so does he.
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	Alright, into the second hour.
	Huge guest coming up to expose the globalist, the police state, the NSA.
	What's happening with all this identity theft?
	Wayne Madison's coming on.
	He's been told to shut up by the NSA.
	Regina in Pennsylvania, real fast finish up.
	You were giving out the congressional phone number and warning us of another bill.
	Yes, the wonderful Ron Paul, our beloved congressman from here in the heart of Texas.
	Okay, that's right.
	We're required to change our laws under the WTO, and our Congress does that.
	So it's very important that people get H.J.
	Resolutions.
	They hand over their authority to it.
	Just give us the other phone number and info.
	Okay, the other thing is that House Resolution 282, which is supposed to be coming up today, and this is supposed to express the intent of Congress to allow the United Nations to regulate anti-Semitic speech that our national leaders
	You know, all over the world would say or do.
	So you can see how... Yeah, a global hate crime speech crime code, I'm aware of that.
	And, well, I mean, out in California they're trying to pass a law that if you speak out against the open borders, you'll be arrested and then put in a database.
	They're not playing.
	And see, it starts with something like anti-Semitism, which I don't like.
	Then it moves on to everything else.
	And I'll fight to the death for your right to say that Jews are blood-drinking vampires, or that Germans are blood-drinking vampires.
	I may not agree with that, but still, I believe you have that right.
	Yeah, but that can be, you know, misinterpreted, too, like it's in... Well, now criticizing any Israeli policy, the ADL wants you arrested.
	They are an un-American terrorist organization.
	Right.
	But, Regina, tell us about that law.
	Well, that's going to come up for a vote today.
	Give us that bill number.
	House Resolution 282.
	And everybody needs to call at 202-224-3121 or 877-762-8762 and tell them, no on each House Resolution 282.
	We want to get out of the UN.
	We know that they were involved with the slaughter in Rwanda, but they're going to be picking at our leaders.
	And us and other leaders across the world who are speaking truth and uh... you know... No, I know.
	It's incredible.
	Regina, I've got to let you go.
	I've got to move on.
	Can I give you the email for John Hamill?
	Because I don't know how to... Okay, I'm sorry other callers.
	Go ahead, Regina.
	Okay.
	Jham.
	J-H-A-M at I as in Indian, A as in apple, H as in health, F as in freedom dot com.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you.
	Really good points.
	Robert in Denver.
	Go ahead, Robert.
	Hey, good morning Alexander.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	How are you doing?
	Pretty good, pretty good.
	I don't know if you talked about it or not already.
	If you have, I apologize for repeating it, but as you know, yesterday the Supreme Court ruled that states cannot allow doctors to give up marijuana for medical uses, and I was wondering what your feeling was on that.
	Marijuana has incredible, HTC, has incredible
	Health benefits for glaucoma, for nausea with people that can't hold food down who are going through chemotherapy.
	I mean, George Washington smoked marijuana.
	I don't smoke marijuana.
	I don't like marijuana.
	I have smoked it in college.
	And I can't stand it.
	I don't like the way it makes me feel.
	I mean, I like being hyper.
	I mean, I like my natural... I mean, I get paranoid on it.
	I get really weird and don't want to talk to people.
	I mean, totally opposite.
	Yeah, but I mean, I'll be honest.
	I mean, I smoked it and I inhaled.
	Uh, but, uh, you know, you ride along with some girl in her car and she's just taking a hit and you're like, alright, baby.
	You know, back and forth.
	And I don't recommend young people smoke it.
	I think it's overall really bad for ya.
	Uh, you know, like alcohol or anything else.
	But the medical effects are just, it is a miracle drug.
	It's a miracle plant.
	And, uh,
	So it's just, look, it's big business for them to put your kids in prison if they use this stuff.
	George Washington loved his blood though.
	Anything else?
	Yeah, well... I'll let you finish up, but let's go ahead and get our guest.
	I'll make my guest hold while we let you finish.
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	We're about to go to Wayne Madison, who's an investigative journalist nationally.
	Distributed columnist and author who has covered Washington D.C.
	politics, national security, intelligence issues.
	Since 94, of course, Madison is a former U.S.
	Naval officer who was assigned the National Security Agency during a Reagan administration.
	He also has some 20 years experience in computer security and data privacy.
	He has also worked for the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State,
	RCA Corporation and Computer Sciences Corporation.
	And I apologize to the callers.
	I know you've been holding and I end up covering so much news in the first hour.
	We go to great callers like Regina, who's got all these important bills.
	And then I try to hurry her up so we could get to Robert, and then we cut Robert short.
	Robert, finishing up real fast as our guest is holding.
	Yeah, the Supreme Court, the federal government, they need to arrest our children to put them in their private prisons.
	So they can work for 20 cents an hour building widgets.
	Marijuana is far less damaging, I think it is bad, when used in excess, than alcohol, though.
	Alcohol causes, what, four times the deaths of all other illegal drugs combined.
	Prescription drugs cause even more deaths than alcohol.
	That's the official numbers in federal studies.
	and uh... there are incredible medical attributes of marijuana for glaucoma for people that are nauseated and can't eat uh... because of chemotherapy or people that have bad ulcers there are hundreds of uses for THC and uh... but don't look for the government to ever allow decriminalization because they need to make things that should be legal illegal as a pretext to put you in prison
	And for all the people out there that hate marijuana, you hate George Washington, because George Washington, it's in major publications and history books, did occasionally smoke a little marijuana.
	It was grown right out in the herb gardens all over the thirteen colonies.
	And if you had a headache or you were nauseous, it was in the medical books to take a pull off some weed, as they called it.
	But finish up real fast, Robert.
	Yeah, I'm in agreement.
	I think a guy on the radio in Local Endeavors made a great analogy.
	In North Carolina they grow thousands of acres of tobacco.
	Take that comparison and turn it around.
	What if suddenly North Carolina started growing thousands of acres of marijuana and
	In Central America, they were growing tobacco.
	Which one would be illegal?
	Well, in the Netherlands and other areas, they totally legalized and drug use went down by 50%.
	But in France, they put up billboards saying, don't smoke cigarettes, they'll kill you.
	And in 10 years, smoking doubled.
	People do what they think is rebellious.
	The government knows it.
	Thanks for the call.
	That's why the Skull and Bones was founded by the British East India Company and Russell Trust.
	They had the monopoly of opium.
	When their competition got too great, when opium was on all the store shelves, Lawdom, they banned it, controlled the police forces, and went after their competition.
	That's what the drug war is.
	The drug dealers control the drug war to go after their competition.
	How many CIA officers, how many DEA agents have we had on, covering this, that have unloaded the cocaine?
	The ships come in, the trains come in, the jets come in, the prop planes come in.
	The cartels that get raided and killed by our troops in Latin America are the ones that don't pay their cut into the big banks.
	Okay, that's enough.
	I'm done.
	I apologize to our guests for holding for three minutes.
	Wayne Madison, we're going to talk about some of his incredible books.
	He's just a treasure trove of information.
	On Infowars.com we have a link to the counterpunch article exposing Karl Rove.
	Another one, the neocon power grab at NSA and an attempt to stifle the press.
	That's Online Journal.
	Just a whole squadron of articles.
	Mr. Madison, good to have you on with us.
	Good to be with you.
	You know, there's no way to do your great career, a career of conscience, justice.
	So, in a nutshell, can you tell us about yourself?
	Well, I've been working in a lot of various agencies over the years, from the National Security Agency, to the State Department, to various other, working with various other federal agencies, including one short stint as a temporary agent for the FBI way back in the 80s.
	So I've seen a lot of this from the inside.
	And now, on the outside looking in, I can understand why
	There are several people in the government who are very frustrated about what's going on with this particular administration, and I think they really do see what the agenda is, that it's to
	Basically gut the U.S.
	intelligence infrastructure.
	So we come up, instead of coming up with people who say, no, there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, you'll have just a bunch of people who shake their heads yes and will cook the books for this administration in coming up with any intelligence base special order.
	So we'll have Mr. Negroponte, the Death Squad architect, with Abu Ghraib, and of course, Camp X-Ray architect, Gonzales, and Chertoff and this whole gaggle of psychopathic criminals, and I'll say that, where it'll just be Negroponte saying, yes, Iran's got nuclear weapons, they're about to kill us.
	That's right, and we see that one congressman right now, Kurt Weldon from Pennsylvania, has got a book coming out where he's saying that he was tipped off about 9-11 beforehand, but he says, wait a minute, it's not Al Qaeda that's a threat, it's Iran.
	I mean, these people will change
	According to, you know, whatever the prevailing perception management dictate of the day says to them, and we see that again with this Weldon book, which is out, but certainly he's not the only one.
	We have this guy, John Bolton, who they want to send to the United Nations.
	Who has carpet-chewing fits.
	Oh, right.
	This guy, Bolton, is probably the worst possible person.
	I would make mention of the fact that back
	Back when the U.N.
	Security Council was meeting on whether to approve this U.S.
	resolution authorizing the attack on Iraq, that Bolton Negroponte and then head of NSA, General Michael Hayden,
	All were cooperating and bugging the members of the U.N.
	Security Council.
	Their telephones, their cell phones, their email.
	And now we have one of those individuals who was bugged, the former Mexican ambassador to the U.N., who was quite upset with this and took on the United States and the Bush administration.
	Said, look, you just won our vote because you treat Mexico like it's your backyard.
	Well, this former ambassador who was fired because of his statements about the Bush administration, Adolfo Aguiar-Zinzer, he died the other day in an automobile accident in central Mexico.
	So here we have another one of these dead bodies of somebody who took on
	The top Iraqi analyst at the State Department, John Kuckel
	Who briefed Colin Powell at least once a week on Iraq, who worked in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research.
	His boss was Carl Ford, who of course said to the Senate that Bolton is a quintessential kiss up, kick down kind of guy and said he does not have my recommendation to go to the U.N.
	Cookle apparently took on this guy Bolton and they said he jumped off the roof of the State Department, which of course is impossible since the roof of the State Department is secured.
	All access is secured.
	All the windows are secured.
	So we have several of these cases where people who have taken on this administration have met their demise.
	And I think it's worthy
	For an FBI investigation, but of course we don't see anything even coming close to anything like that.
	Oh, don't hold your breath.
	I mean, Alberto Gonzales, if it came out they threw him off the roof, would probably say that's not even torture.
	He says killing somebody isn't even torture.
	And we have a former CIA official, Gus Weiss, who just a few weeks after Cockel does a swan dive,
	Off the State Department.
	In a very vocal way, in a very uncharacteristic way, and said, look, this war against Iraq is lunacy, it shouldn't happen.
	So we see two people who came out who were opposed to the war.
	Why hasn't Cynthia McKinney fallen off a roof yet?
	I mean, she's brought up the trillions missing from the Pentagon.
	Well, I know Cynthia, and I'll tell you, she's one smart person, and she knows how to take care of herself and defend herself.
	So I have a lot of confidence that she knows what's going on.
	She's pretty careful.
	Well, I tell you, you know, it's scary to know this is going on.
	Let's make a joint pact here that I'm not ever planning to jump off a building.
	I love my life.
	And I would imagine you're the same way, Mr. Madison?
	Oh, yes, yes.
	I have no problems with, you know, no ballooning mortgage payments, no terminal illnesses, so nothing that they might say and say, well, he was depressed over this, that, and the other thing.
	And I'm also very much afraid of heights.
	I've flown airplanes.
	Well, power!
	I do have this problem with acrophobia when I'm standing on a ledge or a cliff or something like that.
	Why do they like to throw people off buildings because it doesn't leave any evidence?
	Well, I think, you know, it goes back actually to medieval Europe when they used to have defenestrations.
	That's how the Greeks killed people!
	That's how the Greeks killed people too!
	That's right, that's right, yeah.
	There seems to be something about throwing people out of windows or off of buildings.
	We're good to go.
	Well, I tell you, sir, we're about to break.
	What are some of the key issues you want to go over?
	Well, I think what's happening at the National Security Agency and the CIA and the other intelligence agencies is a real catastrophe that these neocons who are infiltrating these agencies
	They are now firing people because they just want to get rid of anybody who has been in the past.
	It's a type of night, a night of the long night.
	It's basically a political purge that's going on and they're getting rid of some very knowledgeable people.
	It's a purge.
	Now I'm the last guy to defend the intelligence agencies.
	I've attacked them when they've been wrong in the past, but I'm stepping up to the plane defending them on this one.
	Alright, well I also want to talk about your view on Iran.
	Member of Parliament George Galloway on, and I said, the government may carry out terror attacks as a pretext, and he said, absolutely.
	We'll talk about that as well.
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	We're talking to Wayne Madison, author, syndicated columnist, working inside the NSA in the Reagan administration.
	Really a whistleblower.
	Wayne, what do you see on the horizon for Iran?
	I mean, a lot of people are saying, well, they won't be able to invade Iran.
	People are wise to them, but they seem to be so arrogant.
	I see two fronts in this administration, which really shouldn't come as any shock, that we have people with two different policies.
	One, of course, are the neocons that want any reason to attack Iran.
	And if we think Iraq is a bloodbath, wait until we go into Iran, which is a very mountainous country, has a larger population than Iraq, and the people there are not Arabs, of course.
	I think some of the neocons may
	You may get that confused.
	These are Persians.
	And the Persians used to have quite a world empire.
	And the Persians of today, who call themselves Iranians, are quite proud of their history.
	And they will fight.
	And they will probably bloody our nose to a... even a... is being bloodied right now in Iraq.
	But then there's an election coming up in Iran for president to replace the moderate President Haqqani.
	And the person who is apparently leading in that race is the guy who used to be president, was the speaker of the Iranian parliament back when the hostages were held in our embassy, and that's Mr. Rafsanjani, who apparently now has
	Moderated his tone to the point where he says, well, wait a minute, maybe I can deal with some privatization of the Iranian oil industry and, you know, he's talking trade and joining the World Trade Organization, a whole bunch of other things that, of course, to some people in this administration, the people who like to make lots and lots of money, that seems to be a pretty, like a pretty good deal for them.
	So we have, we have sort of the political neocons now fighting
	The economic neocons over what is the best way to approach Iran because if it's true that Ross and Johnny agreeing to all of this opening up of Iran's economy, the economic neocons of course would like to see that happen.
	Now, Mr. Madison, we've been talking a lot about fake documents, fake Niger documents, fake finds of weapons of mass destruction buried under rose bushes.
	I mean, really ridiculous stuff.
	So many examples of it, but they tried to frame George Galloway.
	He's now winning lawsuits over it.
	We interviewed him, and he shocked me.
	I said, well,
	I don't see them having the political will right now to go into Iran, but what if the military-industrial complex stages a terror attack in the United States or overseas?
	And he said that is a very real threat.
	Your comments to that?
	Well, I think he's right, because when I talk about the political neocons, of course I'm including in that some of these people who are fundamentalist
	This guy, Kurt Weldon, who's now arguing that Al-Qaeda is not the biggest threat to the United States, but Iran is.
	Here we have this again.
	Now he's trying to say somehow Iran, not Al-Qaeda, must have been involved with 9-11.
	Didn't we hear that with Iraq?
	And that's turned out to be...
	I don't
	I mean, a lot of this is obviously coming from people like Moon and some of these other crazies who think that it's somehow ordained in some scripture that... Now, I want to be clear, though.
	I'm a Christian.
	I am, too.
	I'm a conservative.
	I mean, Moon is worshipped himself.
	I wouldn't even call him a Christian.
	You're right.
	They have the group called the Brotherhood, where congressmen live.
	It's a weird cult.
	I mean, these aren't even Christians.
	It's not Christian, even though Moon goes around and says he's the Messiah.
	And then he says he's somehow managed to convert the souls of Joe Stalin and Adolf Hitler and Mohammed and Jesus.
	To his way of thinking.
	I mean, the guy's a total nutcase, but the problem is he's very powerful inside the Republican Party.
	And when he can have a coronation and draw people like Kurt Weldon, who then puts out a book saying it's not Al-Qaeda that's the biggest threat to the United States, but it's Iran, there you see that this cult, I think we should call it a cult.
	For those that don't know, folks, these are the Moonies.
	The Moonies.
	I mean, a lot of people don't understand that.
	Right.
	That's who they are.
	They used to... I first encountered them in college back in the early seventies when they tried to get unsuspecting students to attend these suppers.
	And of course, like any starving college kid, the idea of a free meal is pretty attractive.
	But unfortunately, a lot of people got tied up with this bunch and still are.
	Well, let's get into the NSA and let's get into
	Mr. Rove, and just a whole host of issues when we get back.
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	Wayne, you know, working at the NSA, and then now since 94 being a journalist, writing on all of this, watching the police state being set up,
	Witnessing the face-scanning cameras, the national ID cards, the control grid, the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act being used, you know, against people selling knock-off Rubik's Cubes, or pirated DVDs, or county commissioners getting payoffs for more parking spaces.
	It's clear that criminals have taken control of the government and are simply setting up a police state to then protect themselves from the public if we ever wake up to it.
	How do we stop these individuals?
	Well, that's something I could talk about for hours and hours.
	I always go back and read some of what our founding fathers and mothers wrote during the revolution, and I really think that we need to go back to basics here and look at what these, as you rightly call them, criminals.
	The only difference between the Bushes and the Sopranos is the Sopranos serve a better dinner.
	The Italian food is pretty good in the Soprano house.
	I don't think pork rinds and pretzels at the Bushes is anything to compare with that.
	But anyway, I really think that when I have people at the National Security Agency coming to me
	Essentially as whistleblowers and saying that their rights are being infringed upon, their privacy is being invaded.
	Then I think people can understand how bad things have gotten in this country.
	Well, that was in the first Patriot Act, going after whistleblower protection.
	In fact, you've written an article, the Neocon Power Graviton, saying in an attempt to stifle the press.
	That's right.
	Can you cover that story for us?
	Well, basically what's going on at the National Security Agency is that the employees who are being fired for the least little thing are
	I don't
	Yes, we are.
	They're firing people basically because of policy differences going back to the pre-war intelligence.
	Tell them, make up lies or you're gone!
	Right.
	See, at NSA you've got more of a technical group of people there that don't, they don't by and large get involved in too many policy issues.
	Yeah, data collection, the CIA then is pouring over.
	The NSA, they're the people out there trolling the internet and trolling the communications frequencies of satellites.
	Right.
	For all the information you're using.
	As you mentioned, Echelon and systems like it to do that.
	And so what they're doing, how they're purging NSA is basically on trivia, on administrative issues.
	You know, if you step out of line, well that's enough for us to go after you.
	Whereas at the CIA, because they are involved in more policy issues, they're using policy differences with the Bush administration to get rid of them.
	The same thing is going on at the Defense Intelligence Agency and has been for
	Quite some time.
	So what we're seeing, we're seeing a purge of the intelligence agencies in this country.
	People who have years and years of experience in foreign languages, experience with other countries, and key people in those countries, and all sorts of different intelligence gathering systems.
	They're all being purged because they're considered to be a threat to this, whatever world order or national order
	Now, bottom line from all your research and study, and obviously Bush and his minions are just puppets of the military industrial complex, they're just mid-level minions as well, but what type of world
	Are you on a cordless phone?
	Yes, I am.
	Is there any way to get to a landline?
	Well, I don't have an actual hard wire here, but let me move closer to the base station.
	Yeah, it's breaking up, sorry.
	Okay.
	What type of world are they trying to build?
	I mean, if they had their wish list, if they could have whatever they wanted from all the evidence of what they're doing, what would that be?
	Well, I think it's a world where a few corporations, corporations that they control basically, you know,
	They call the shots.
	National parliaments and legislatures are meaningless.
	Organizations like the United Nations and others are just subservient.
	And of course individual rights are way out the window.
	I think what they're talking about is some sort of massive corporate state.
	Sort of what we've seen with Franco in Spain and Pinochet in Chile and of course the system that Joe Stalin ran in Soviet Russia.
	But even the so-called UN was founded by the U.S.
	government in 1946 there in Presidio.
	Well that's right, and I just think that
	The reason Bush wants to send a guy like Bolton to the United Nations, of course, is that Bolton will try to fire everybody up there, as what we see is happening at the CIA and the State Department and NSA, get a bunch of international civil servants who are
	Totally subservient to the Bush agenda.
	Let me bring this up.
	Clinton in actuality went along with their policies of invading countries.
	He vacations with them.
	He's a surrogate member of the family according to the Boston Globe.
	And we're now hearing in the press that the Bush's may support Clinton as Secretary General and that they've already lined up seven of the G8 if Kofi Annan leaves in the next year.
	Do you think there's anything to that?
	Well, that would be a real sea change for the United Nations because there's always been sort of an unwritten policy that
	That the Secretary General not come from one of the permanent members of the Security Council.
	So if that in fact happens, whether it's Clinton or any other American, would be a real change for the United Nations since its foundation in 1946.
	So I think that would be another indication that we may see the UN become nothing more than a rubber stamp for
	Not the United States, because I think the United States and the Bush Administration are two different entities.
	But we'll see the U.N.
	just become another tool for these international corporatists.
	And for those that don't know, I mean, Bush really is just a viceroy over one of the empire's plantations that happens to raise a lot of the armies and troops for this whole system.
	And again, when we say corporation, these are bigger than governments.
	They are totally criminal.
	They go in with death squads, say in Africa, if somebody isn't giving them a diamond monopoly, and kill everybody, and then they brag about it.
	This is not free market.
	Oh no, it's not at all.
	So when we hear about free markets and the free trade area, the Americas and Central America, free trade area, NAFTA and all, world trade stuff, this is just trying to get things right for when these multi-national corporations basically take over.
	And this is why we see the anti-globalization movement.
	Now, you know, we had this
	Rejection by the French and the Dutch of the European Constitution.
	Now a lot of that had to do with domestic politics, but one thing that is common to both the Netherlands and France is there was a reaction in both countries against the idea that Europe will be expanding to the Iranian border if these people have it their way.
	And that was never the intention of the people who founded the European Community and then the European Union.
	Well, that's not what they told the people, but we've got the Bilderberg Group documents.
	That was their plan.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And so the same financial, and I pointed this out, Wayne, the same people that own and run Europe are in bed with the people here.
	They just act like there's this good cop, bad cop fight going on to give the illusion of a bipolar world.
	What do you think of people like
	Thomas Barnett at the Naval War College who openly gets up on C-SPAN and says, we work for global corporations, this is a one world government, we're going to attack all these third world countries.
	I mean, they're just right out in the open with it.
	Well they are, and I would recommend it to people.
	This is nothing new.
	Marine Corps General Smedley Butler talked about this
	I don't think so.
	And of course, his testimony was held in secrecy by the U.S.
	Congress, I think, up until the 1970s.
	Yeah, that was the McCormick-Dickstein Committee.
	That's right.
	So this is nothing new.
	I think we've been running, you know, look at Bush is going after everything that Roosevelt
	I'm trying to put in with the New Deal and all the other social safety nets that were implemented by Roosevelt.
	These guys are trying to get rid of him.
	Well, to be clear, I was no fan of Roosevelt, but it just shows this particular crowd who was funding Hitler was trying to throw him out and set up their own little dictatorship.
	But Roosevelt and his whole crowd, the way this works is they get everything socialized, get us dependent,
	And then, once they've grown the government big enough, they just hand the government over to private corporations and they become the government.
	Well, yeah, and you know what?
	It's interesting that one of the people back in those days who, of course, was so much opposed to Roosevelt and probably silently, with a wink and a nod, was saying to these coup plotters, yeah, that's a good idea.
	Because a lot of it came out of Connecticut, uh, was Prescott Bush, who we know was the grandfather of the current president and father of George H.W.
	In fact, I just put a new film out covering this.
	He worked for the Nazi company that was behind all this.
	But for those that just joined us and don't realize what we're facing, this isn't a joke.
	I have the hearings with Oliver North in the mid-80s in the joint session there.
	Well, you know, the Iran contract people are back in charge.
	The only guy I don't think is working for the government is Oliver North.
	You look around, you've got Elliott Abrams, he's working in the National Security Council now.
	You've got all these others who are involved.
	They tried to have the five-time convicted felon, Poindexter.
	Poindexter, Total Information Awareness System, and then even go back to Watergate, you still have some of these people.
	I think so.
	I can only think it as part of this Bush administration mantra of, if you violate the Constitution, and you go to prison for it, then somehow you're a hero.
	But the Democrats are totally mom on this, and many of them are involved as well.
	Oh, they've been, yeah, many of these Democrats.
	I mean, look at the number of Democrats who supported this illegal war in Iraq.
	I mean, you've got John Kerry, I voted for it before I voted against it, or against it before I voted for it.
	I don't
	I think so.
	That's why he can get people excited.
	I don't want to hear from Republicans that, oh, Dean's bad, he's anti-gun, probe, and border, because he is bad because of that, but Bush is for all that and more.
	I mean, this is the insanity, Mr. Madsen, is that Bush is not a conservative, the biggest federal budget ever, out Clinton and Clinton on the score of issues,
	But one talk show host calls them Kool-Aid drinkers.
	These so-called conservatives are not really conservative.
	Oh, no.
	I mean, if you look at what they're doing, I mean, the idea of nation-building.
	But Bush spoke to the OAS meeting in Miami the other day, and he said he thinks the United States should, you know, actively go into countries in Latin America
	Uh, where we don't agree with the type of government that they have.
	Well, bottom line, bottom line, sir, where do you see all this going?
	I mean, where are they having victories?
	Where are they having defeats?
	Give us your forecast.
	What do you see happening?
	Well, I don't see, I see the status quo going on, you know, the bickering in Congress up until the congressional
	When we see those congressional elections, I think what we're going to see, I think we're going to see Democrats do quite well, and I think we're going to see a two-year lame-duck presidency of George W. Bush, and I think we'll see some of our commitments overseas, some of our troops coming back.
	They can't come back soon enough from Iraq, as far as I'm concerned, but I think we're going to see a movement away from nation-building, away from this
	Tax Americana, this American empire that these peanackers, these Project for New American Century people have been pushing, I think we're going to see a real rejection at the polls.
	If the election is conducted fairly, that's a big if, but I think we'll see a big rejection of their policies next year.
	But as you said, the Democrats are all in league and owned by the same big foundations and corporations.
	I don't... Well, you know, I look at a place like Connecticut where the Democrats have just about had it with Joe Lieberman.
	They're talking about running somebody against him in the primary.
	They're saying, let's run a real Democrat against Lieberman.
	I think that may happen.
	I think we may see Lieberman thrown out.
	I think that may happen to a couple of these wishy-washy Democrats who go along when it's convenient.
	But Bush and the establishment Democrats are trying to accelerate putting in the electronic voting machines.
	Oh yeah, and I see a lot of
	I think there's going to be a reaction against that.
	We've already seen some tests being conducted in Florida showing how easy it was for the election to be fixed using these machines.
	I actually think we're going to see a return to paper, and I wouldn't be surprised to see those hanging chads coming back.
	All right, let's jam a call in here.
	Up first is Jeff.
	Jeff, where are you calling us from?
	This is Addy Alex.
	Welcome, sir.
	How are you today?
	I was wondering if you or your guests had witnessed the Joseph Goebbels propaganda that they ran on FX the other night called Oil Storm.
	Have you seen that?
	No, I don't watch much TV.
	What was it?
	Basically, it was a way for the government to completely cloud the issue of George Bush's relationship to the Saudis
	And it was very confusing.
	So it was a fiction program legitimizing the Bush-Bin Laden connection?
	It was minimizing it to a point where they were saying that there was none.
	For those that don't know, there's more propaganda in fiction TV shows than there is on the news.
	Mr. Madsen?
	Well, that's right, and you know, we saw that with this last election where Carl Rowe, we mentioned him briefly, was putting a lot of pressure on Hollywood to come out with propaganda-type shows, and we've seen a lot of these.
	Well, he met with the Motion Picture Association of America.
	Absolutely, he did.
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	Well, I've got a forthcoming book called Jaded Taz, Big Oil, Black Ops and Brass Plates, and that has a lot to do with
	I don't know.
	From Iraq, and I would suggest that a lot of that wound up in the hands of these very... No!
	They wouldn't do that!
	We can trust them!
	See, we used to call them mercenaries, and the U.S.
	didn't like mercenaries, but now they're called private military contractors.
	See, it's part of the Orwell movie.
	Well, you know, I've got reports that private mercs are dealing drugs, doing murder for hire for the globalists right now here in the U.S.
	Why should they change?
	These people used to be called Air America and Southern Air Transport.
	They were involved in the drug business with good old Ollie North and all that gang down in Nicaragua and down in Columbia.
	These are the same people.
	Actually, I even heard that Richard Secord, talking about a blast from the past, Iran Contra, he's been cited several times in the lobby of the Sheraton Hotel in Tashkent in Uzbekistan.
	So see, we've got this whole crowd is back together again.
	I think 9-11 has been pretty good business for these folks.
	I know about you and everything that you talk about.
	I was even confused in the beginning as to whether or not it was reality.
	Then with the painstaking effort to make that look as real as possible, even the film footage had courtesy of this TV station on it.
	There are hundreds of dramas now that are meant to look real, and they're not real to confuse the dumbed-down public.
	Thanks for the call.
	I mean, Wayne Madsen, if we've got $242 million just for one federal program and fake newscasts, we're talking about big money here.
	Well, we are, and you know, I can relate a story I heard from a pretty well-known person here in Washington who was speaking to a high-level White House official, and I can't say whether that official was Karl Rove,
	If I had to bet money on it, I'd say it was because of what the person said.
	He said, look, the United States basically controls the world right now.
	The Bush administration has control over the world's media.
	And we control reality.
	Right, we can control our own reality, and if we don't like the reality that we create, in 30 minutes we can change it.
	And this is exactly what's happening, as your caller said, with TV shows, fiction, and other things.
	Well, I mean, almost every program out there says how good torture is.
	They actually say it's an American virtue.
	Well, that's right.
	That's right.
	Unbelievable.
	Stay there, Serge.
	I'm going to do five more minutes with you so we can talk to Fred and Kim.
	That's all we're going to have time for with calls for now.
	Because then we've got another guest coming up.
	Now they're paying off the college students.
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	Let's go ahead and talk to Fred in Pennsylvania.
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	Wayne, I want to ask you.
	Don't you think that this political system with these big candidates that I can't stomach, like Hillary Clinton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bill Clinton for Secretary General, it's part of the disease that's really all around us because people like the Clintons have already been completely
	Completely discredited, the bribery, the repression and violence.
	We're good to go.
	That's why I find Howard Dean to be refreshing.
	At least, I loved it when he yelled in Iowa.
	I said, man, there's a guy with a pulse.
	The guy's alive.
	He actually cares enough to yell and scream about what's going on in this country.
	I wish more people would yell and scream.
	I don't agree with him on the Second Amendment and stuff, but I don't agree with Bush either, but yeah, I mean, our founding fathers yelled and screamed.
	Oh, we're not supposed to yell and scream.
	Thanks, Fred.
	Thank you for the call.
	Kim in Texas.
	Kim, go ahead.
	Hi, I was watching CBS.
	Uh, yes.
	And, uh, the NOW Show was talking about how they're re-advising the Patriot Act 1, 2, and 3.
	They were specifically talking about the sneak and peek.
	Lane, get back by your phone, Jack, for me.
	Uh, sorry, go ahead, ma'am.
	And then, this morning, I feel new that Tony Blair's here in the United States.
	So, I'm thinking, is that why he's here?
	Well, no, they're just here to get all their lies straight.
	And of course, oh, that's a good point.
	The Downing Street memo.
	I mean, how many internal memos do we have where it's admitted that they premeditatedly lied, Wayne?
	Well, we've got several.
	We've not only got the real memos like Downing Street, we've got all these fake things running around like the Niger documents, the forged documents, the kind of stuff they tried to stick George Galloway with.
	When in fact, that was a big smokescreen, as he said, and a bigger smokescreen is that some of this Iraqi oil during the embargo was going to Enron and Cook Industries, which is a family tied up with the Bushes.
	They're the very people doing it and Halliburton selling oil-filled equipment.
	Kim, you've got the last word.
	Oh yes.
	Also, please call Washington, D.C., guys, and let them know about this.
	Let them know you know they're looking at the Patriot Act again.
	Because they seemed surprised when I called about it.
	I called the Republican side.
	Well, that's just how they act.
	Everybody knows it's in the Intelligence Committee, radically beefing it up.
	And to cut through all the confusion, it's 2.5.
	They passed one, they passed part of two, this should be called 2.5.
	Wayne, final comments.
	Well, I would, yeah, the Patriot Act is a terrible thing.
	I would just tell people,
	Look, don't send letters to your members because after the anthrax attacks, they'll never get the letters.
	But hit them with email as much as you can.
	They do read the email.
	And they have to get it off of their servers because if they get too much of it...
	They've got to read it and take it off.
	So hit them with the email and hit them with the phone call.
	All right, Wayne, thanks for coming on.
	Thanks, Ken.
	Good to be with you.
	Wayne Madsen, great job.
	Appreciate your patriotism and telling the truth, my friend.
	Thank you.
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	Alright, second segment of the third hour.
	Eight minutes and twenty-five seconds in.
	On this Tuesday edition, seventh day.
	Of June 2005, Professor John Gledhill, President of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists, is going to be on with us in just one moment, covering this subject.
	This is from the BBC.
	We talked about this last Friday.
	Fears over CIA university spies.
	A CIA scheme to sponsor trainee spies, secretly through US university courses, has caused anger among UK academics.
	And this has already been going on here in the U.S.
	for a long time.
	The Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program pays anthropology students, whose names are not disclosed, upwards of $50,000 a year, 27,500 pounds a year.
	They're expected to use the techniques of fieldwork to gather political and cultural details on other countries.
	Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists called the scholarships ethically dangerous and divisive.
	And then it goes on.
	Now before we go to our guest, I want to give you some background.
	Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his farewell speech in 1960, said, Beware the undue and unwarranted influence of the military-industrial complex.
	And he was a captain of that, but I guess he was having pangs of conscience.
	At that time, about 80% of all funding in our universities, and even in private research facilities, was being paid for by the U.S.
	government.
	Now we live in an age, again, of $240-something million for one package of fake newscasts last year.
	Fake newscasts everywhere.
	They're paying for Hollywood movies to have torture messages, secret arrest messages, anti-family messages.
	I mean, they are just breaking down our society.
	Propaganda everywhere.
	We talked about that with our guest expert and former member of the National Security Agency in the last hour.
	So this is part and parcel of that.
	And then of course there are more foreign students here in the U.S.
	than any other country in the world in the aggregate.
	So they come here and they get $50,000.
	Now that's $25,000 to have your tuition paid at the nicest schools.
	And then another $25,000 to live quite comfortable.
	Nice work if you can get it.
	And they have to have secret summer meetings with the CIA at summer camps.
	They're basically being taught to be spies.
	This is going to get a lot of anthropologists killed.
	Not to mention control a whole society, you know, the whole next wave of anthropologists.
	Which I think is one of the most important fields out there.
	I'm not an anthropologist, though in my leisure I do read a lot of psychology and a lot of anthropological work out there on the subject because I find it to be just a very revealing science and just spot on with so much of the work that's out there to understand.
	And the social architects understand this and to build this worldwide prison state, they've got to do it.
	Thousands of members of the press are CIA officers.
	Most are major editors in this country.
	That's now come out.
	And then many others are paid off by the Department of Education, Department of Transportation, Department of Health and Human Services, Defense Intelligence, NSA, CIA.
	Billions of dollars!
	We have fake newscasts here in Austin.
	You can confirm they're fake and no one even seems to care.
	It's unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen.
	But then real reporters go overseas and get killed because people think they're CIA.
	Real social workers get killed overseas, aid workers.
	Real anthropologists get killed.
	But there's so much money being spent on this, and this is just one tiny node, one little facet in an ocean.
	A hurricane of covert operations.
	So again, joining us, I appreciate him holding during that diatribe.
	is the President, Professor John Gledhill, President of Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists.
	Thank you for coming on, sir.
	Pleasure.
	Do you disagree with any of that three-minute raving?
	Not really.
	I mean, obviously this particular program seems to be only part of a broader pattern, and I gather that
	From what we're learning now that there are other kinds of funding programs being generated by other agencies as well.
	Of course, particularly for those of us abroad, I mean, this is all very, very obscure.
	Of course, we do have American students coming here to study because it's all focused on individual students.
	We've no way of knowing who anybody is, basically.
	And they signed agreements!
	I mean, they're basically becoming CIA employees!
	Yes, one of the things that interested me in some work that an American colleague was doing on this was, obviously as part of their anthropology training, they will be trained in research ethics, I mean, or anthropology.
	These programs place a lot of attention on ethical questions and your responsibilities to your research subjects and how to do research and inform, consent in the research process, these kinds of issues.
	It appears that if they got cold feet and decided they didn't really feel happy with their
	They're going to be bought and paid for for life.
	Most of all is with the responsibilities we have to the people we study.
	Why does the CIA on the surface, I mean I have it here in the article, but from your view, your detailed view as the president of the organization opposing this, why do they want the young budding anthropologists?
	I think they're aware that anthropologists, because unlike most other social, I mean there are other people who also do sustained work in a region,
	I mean, you know, our main method of doing research is ethnography, which means going and living in a region and getting to know it in great detail.
	So it's a perfect cover for spies.
	Yeah, because you get to know things about local communities and the larger societies.
	Plus you're trained to be able to assess them.
	That's right, that's right.
	But it's the trust factor that's very central to anthropology.
	I mean, people who, you know, anywhere you go, I mean, if we just go and do research down the road from where we live, I mean, people are going to be rather suspicious initially of anybody who wants to do research on them.
	But the sustained presence in fieldwork that anthropologists do is all based on establishing relations of trust across lines of conflict and with different kinds of
	Kinds of people and obviously if you're your agenda is not to understand the people and to try to emphasize with their point of view, but to serve the aims of a of another country.
	In geopolitical terms, then you're in a sense abusing that trust quite fundamentally.
	Well, that's what special forces do, is they'll parachute them in behind enemy lines to train an indigenous group to resist.
	I'll guarantee you, because I've seen past reports on this, they're going to train a lot of these groups to become rebels, they're going to give them weapons, it's going to be a major crisis creator.
	That's possible.
	That's possible.
	But I mean, even
	I mean, obviously, if you write about something that you studied, you're very careful to protect the people you studied from harm.
	I mean, even people you don't like.
	I mean, we're supposed to be even-handed, impartial researchers.
	We're supposed to be understanding something, not manipulating it.
	As a situation.
	So when you write something for public consumption, you disguise people's identities.
	You often disguise the identity of a place.
	And there are lots of things you just decide not to write about because they're potentially harmful.
	And there are some things you indeed have to decide not to study because the ethical difficulties are too great.
	You might accidentally do harm to people without intending to.
	This kind of intelligence gathering operation obviously isn't likely to be constrained by those kinds of considerations.
	I mean they want to send people into conflict zones with particular agendas and in a sense that people have already taken sides because it's their job to represent the interests of their employers, which in this case would be the US government.
	Folks, you can go to Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists at www.vasa.org, is that correct?
	V-A-S-A-T-H-E-A-S-A dot... Oh, I apologize.
	And we should have a link to that on InfoWars.com.
	I mean, what about just the danger to anthropologists if it becomes widely known that a lot of them are CIA?
	Yeah, I mean, as it is, because of events in the past, and there certainly have been well-documented involvements of anthropologists in the CIA, particularly in the Vietnam period, and also in the civil wars in Central America,
	I mean, anthropologists are always likely to be subjects of suspicion, and not very often people aren't too good at distinguishing nationalities of white people from abroad.
	They're certainly not often very good at distinguishing between the British and North Americans, for example.
	I mean, obviously anybody, irrespective of their nationality and origin, once it's seen that people can receive these rather generous grants and security agencies, then, you know, if that becomes widely understood, then everybody's going to become an object of suspicion.
	Well, there's a bigger question!
	There's no way in which, you know, personally, I mean, if this program became extensive, I wouldn't blame anybody for suspecting everybody.
	What else could they do?
	We'd have no way of knowing.
	Well, bottom line, the bigger question here is, and the bigger problem is, all over academia and every discipline is being bought off now by the military-industrial complex.
	It's a very dangerous trend.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, obviously the interest isn't solely in anthropologists, it's in language experts, historians, anybody who can
	Provide information that's thought relevant by the military and the national security agencies.
	I mean obviously this information could be used in more or less intelligent ways.
	You know, culturally relevant techniques of torture are probably not actually very effective.
	What anthropologists try to do is understand the whole society.
	I mean, the whole way in which people relate to each other.
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	You can check out the Britain's Association of Social Anthropologists at theasa.org, and we have a link through to that, adinfoawards.com, and some other news articles about this.
	I was talking to Professor John Gledhill during the break, and he brought up a lot of other really key points.
	They also want to go into these countries and have anthropologists on the payroll to understand how to manipulate those local groups or, even more importantly, which I hadn't thought of, to use that data piecemeal in intelligence agencies as a pretext or an excuse
	Well, it's very important in anthropology not to take snippets of cultural information out of that broader context and that's one of the great dangers in
	The use of a subject that's trying to be kind of open-minded by people who have a particular kind of purpose and goal in life.
	One thing that worries quite a lot of anthropologists about these developments is that because it's all secret within the intelligence community itself,
	Information will circulate according to the internal logic of the intelligence people themselves.
	And it will never be subject to any kind of critical scrutiny.
	So all kinds of crazy ideas could develop within that environment that wouldn't stand up for five minutes if you stood up in a conference and put that point of view with a kind of critical audience who are qualified to discuss the whole ins and outs and the broader picture of the case.
	But of course, to claim that you're kind of using scholarly knowledge as a guide to action is always a kind of way of legitimizing.
	Things that might be considered quite ethically dubious in another context.
	Well, we've already seen this where Dick Cheney tells the CIA what intelligence he wants and fires people that don't do it, so... Yeah, I mean, we've had similar, obviously similar problems arose in Britain during the Iraq War.
	There was a strong controversy about whether or not
	The politicians had interpreted the intelligence data in a way that suited them, and then of course the intelligence people then got it in the neck when things went wrong.
	Where do you think all this is going to go?
	Two final questions.
	Is it just going to keep expanding?
	I'm hoping it won't, because if people do look at our website, or the American Anthropological Association's website, and look at the ethical principles that are supposed to guide what anthropologists do, and other kind of social scientists, or have similar kind of ethical codes,
	It is clear that this kind of covert
	Research and covert relationships with agencies outside academia are not really consistent with pursuing ethical research that can be defended as... Yeah, I mean, it's not real scientific research.
	It's like paying for a study and then telling them what response you want.
	That's the problem.
	And it will, you know, inevitably, these people will probably find themselves, you know... Well, I would think that... I mean, I would think that the global empire controllers would leave this alone because they want real data.
	I mean, it seems like they're going to screw up their own source.
	If you wanted to have a proper understanding of these conflict situations, you would do much better to read broadly from a several series of different points of view about a region, and you'd do much better to have public meetings in which, you know, those who are willing to participate in them could discuss.
	But Karl Rove has said that...
	That we're an empire and that he controls reality, so I guess they think that if they fund anthropologists to put out this info, that will magically make the peoples they're studying change?
	I mean, that's delusional.
	Yeah, it is.
	And I think the lesson of history is that that kind of role for anthropologists and other kinds of academics has always been a failure.
	Last question.
	We're almost out of time.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Always produces?
	You were saying always produces what?
	It always, I think, produces unexpected consequences and it doesn't really achieve the goals that people imagine.
	It creates more of a mess than you started with.
	Well, elites always get delusional.
	In closing, in about 45 seconds, as an anthropologist yourself, sir, what do you think of the Western world in its modern context compared to old empires?
	Well, I think it's beginning to look rather too much like the old empires.
	I mean, you know, the values that, you know, we're claiming, we're defending here may well be good values.
	And I think we'd do rather better to pursue them, you know, more open-handedly and not as covers for other kinds of agendas like economic interest.
	Global domination.
	I think we're far too scared of monsters that are either imaginary or of our own creation at the moment, and a bit more of that Western rationality that we claim is the basis of our civilization.
	All right.
	Professor John Geldhill, thank you for coming on with us, sir.
	Pleasure.
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	Got another showing coming up tomorrow night at 8 o'clock.
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	Now again, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of reports of this.
	There are so many major university studies, major industry studies, and then the government or another industry will put out its own study and then we've proven those to be frauds about how good it is for you.
	But they will put rats over the period of their life in a cage near
	A high-powered cable with electricity running through it.
	It has all sorts of health effects on the rat.
	Really, it's called frequency pollution.
	That's one area of, really, pollution put out.
	But everybody knows who works in radio near a high-powered FM or AM transmitter.
	And there'll be signs inside those cinder block buildings.
	I've been in them.
	It says, you know, don't get within 10 feet.
	Turn it off first.
	Or you'll get RF burns.
	I mean, it will burn you.
	It will burn your skin.
	It will make you sick.
	I mean, this is real, folks.
	And I want to warn you.
	I mean, so many of these public schools put these high-powered cell phone towers up, you know, as a way to raise money.
	There really are problems connected to this, and here is the London Telegraph.
	Leukemia risks 70% higher for children near power lines.
	Children born close to high voltage overhead power lines are more likely to be diagnosed with leukemia according to results of a major government funded study that was published today.
	And, folks, cell phones are so bad, too.
	And, you know what?
	I got a hands-free system.
	Don't use it some of the time.
	I'm an idiot.
	The water's full of poison.
	I hardly ever drink tap water, but I still do sometimes.
	I'm an idiot.
	We've all got to take control of our lives.
	I mean, this genetically engineered food just doesn't, you know, have reduced nutritional value.
	It also has proteins and things in it that never existed before and that really make us sick.
	Researchers find that those whose childhood homes are within 200 meters, that's like 450 feet, of a power line have almost a 70% or greater risk of being diagnosed with leukemia.
	You know, I think there's one almost that close to my house.
	That's it, I'm moving.
	We've got to take this serious, folks.
	When you drive under a power line, even if it's a strong AM station, notice how it goes, you know, and Billy Bob was talking to John, and you're done driving under it, and it goes away.
	However, they stress that they have not established the cause of the increased risk that could be due to other factors such as differences in
	Wealth between those who live near power lines and those who do not.
	There's all these other big studies.
	Yeah, right.
	They say that if a 275 kV or 400 kV national grid lines investigated in the study are indeed the cause of the rise, they would be responsible for approximately 1% of leukemia cases in England and Wales, or around 5 cases a year.
	I mean, folks, take an electronic device and stick it up near just a light switch.
	It'll start.
	Try to listen to shortwave radio up next to any type of appliance.
	Just the radio waves that, say, a spinning dishwasher throws off.
	Yeah, it shoots off radio waves.
	Waves that are picked up.
	Campaigners claim that lower voltage regional power lines, which operate at 132 kilovolt, might have the same effect in which the cases of leukemia, cases linked to electricity transmission, could be 10 times higher.
	The study, the largest of its kind to date, is published today in the British Medical Journal.
	Its analysis of 29,081 people from England and Wales who were diagnosed with cancer aged 15,
	Between 62 and 95, they are compared with the same number of healthy individuals matched for sex and year and area of birth.
	Researchers calculated the distance from each person's home at birth and the nearest high voltage overhead line.
	For those born within 200 meters of the power line, the risk of leukemia is 69% greater than for those born within 600 meters away.
	Those between 200 meters and 600 meters from the power line are 23% more likely to have been diagnosed with leukemia than those whose homes were more than 600 meters away.
	And it goes on and on.
	The study went on to say there is no accepted biological mechanism to explain these results.
	It could be down to confounding factors such as socioeconomic factors.
	People should not panic.
	More research must be carried out to find the mechanism.
	Well, I disagree.
	I mean, we've got literally, folks, I've probably seen a hundred studies in the last ten years on this.
	Folks, a cell phone is a microwave transmitter.
	Major studies admit that it actually heats the brain
	Upwards of a degree in many cases when you use one.
	Years ago I'd be on the phone for an hour on a road trip, you know, doing a radio interview and I'd get a headache afterwards.
	I'd start sweating.
	It just is not good for you.
	One theory is cornea ions, small charged particles given off by power lines, oh really?
	Attach themselves to air pollution particles.
	It is argued that those who live nearby are therefore at risk from inhaled pollution.
	Around 400 to 420 new leukemia cases.
	That is true.
	That's what the heart program does.
	It ionizes the atmosphere and causes all types of particulates to congeal and fall to the ground.
	But that's only one thing it does.
	It also sends off these, basically, you know, it's like rays from space.
	You know, they talk about when you're in an airplane at 35,000 feet, you get the equivalent of like 10 chest x-rays.
	That's because there's more radiation that isn't deflected by the atmosphere.
	Because you think of the atmosphere as being, you know, no matter being there.
	It's actually quite thick.
	It's full of water, H2O molecules, helium molecules, oxygen, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and a bunch of other hydrogen.
	It's like water.
	I mean, I forget the ratios, but you know, 10,000 feet of lower atmosphere, I forget, is the equivalent of 30 feet of ocean water or something.
	And there's really no better shield or this type of stuff than water.
	That's what a lot of, at these nuclear research facilities, it's not just shielded by lead, it's shielded by water.
	And these power lines, these high-powered power lines, just shoot off all these different types of waves.
	Around 400 to 420 new leukemia cases are diagnosed in England and Wales each year.
	Scientists have suggested a range of causes including genetic susceptibility, ionizing radiation, there you go, unusual patterns of exposure to infection in electromagnetic fields.
	Two major studies published in 2000 by Swedish and American researchers concluded that there was a doubling of risk of childhood leukemia associated with a level of magnetic field exposure received around 100 meters from a power line or 200 feet.
	Alistair Phillips of the Counselor Group Power Watch said the government should bring in a ban on the new building of 250 meters of high voltage power lines.
	Nurseries and schools or the adjunct power lines should be relocated so they are further away than 500 meters from the voltage overhead.
	Folks, again, they've got studies where plants don't grow well under power lines.
	You know, fast-growing life cycle things, grasses do it, even long life cycle, oak trees, crops.
	I mean, people noticed 50 years ago that you'd have a corn crop underneath high tension power lines with a lot of power going through them, and for a good ratio under those power lines, they didn't grow as well.
	Then they try to argue, well, that's because sun, you know, it's not getting as much sun because of the little lines.
	But they go, no, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's power, it's corn growing further away from the power lines that aren't having the sun blocked.
	As if the cables even, you know, blocked it.
	Microscopic amount of sun.
	So, it just goes on and on.
	And frequency pollution is very, very real.
	And obviously it's part of modern society and we can't get away from all of it, but we really shouldn't have a cell phone up your head.
	It's been linked in just masses of major studies to brain tumors.
	You really shouldn't.
	Electric blankets are very bad for you.
	A lot of studies show that.
	I mean, you're literally sleeping eight hours a day in the winter.
	With this thing with electrical wiring all over it, right up against your skin, then even low voltage causes a major problem.
	There are a lot of people now who are going into a lower voltage type situation in their houses, and they're seeing a lot of positive health effects.
	But, I don't know.
	That's just one article.
	We'll go to your calls here in just a moment at 1-800-259-9231.
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	Continuing with the news today, this is from PrisonPlanet.com.
	Tanks in the streets of New York, on a recent trip to New York, these gun-mounted armored tanks, vehicles,
	We're driving through the streets of Manhattan.
	I took these pictures with my camera phone, hence the bad quality.
	This is from a listener.
	I couldn't believe how many people just waved at the armored soldiers.
	Peeking out at the top, many even cheered loudly in support.
	Nobody took the time to say why in the world are armed soldiers and tanks rolling down the middle of the street?
	This happened the day after I saw an NYPD officer in Times Square.
	He was simply standing around watching the pedestrian traffic.
	The only thing out of place was he was carrying a machine gun.
	Then under that we have anti-war protesters being harassed by tanks.
	Uh, excuse me, LAVs.
	Wheeled tanks.
	I should say properly, a tank has treads.
	Uh, in LA we have the video of that, high quality video.
	P.S.
	The tank pictures were taken at the corner of 53rd and 7th in Manhattan, just a few blocks away from Central Park.
	We have flashback anti-war protesters in L.A.
	His response with APCs, flashback Alabama activists, tank unit.
	So that's just some of the news there on that subject.
	Judge wants to question U.S.
	troops on Iraq death.
	Reuters, a Spanish judge, wants to question three U.S.
	soldiers as suspects in the death of a Spanish cameraman who was killed when a U.S.
	tank fired a hotel foreign journalist during the 03 assault on Baghdad.
	Yeah, that was Reuters.
	They just pulled up and they admitted they were told to kill the journalist.
	Absolutely unbelievable, but this is supposedly how we keep America safe, is we attack innocent people.
	Well, no, that's not going to keep America safe, my friends.
	Speaking of surveillance, surveillance cameras catch gum droppers in Britain.
	Manchester Evening Standard.
	Paul Watson wrote this comment.
	The true purpose of widespread surveillance cameras is right before us.
	The intention is to monitor behavior and then define that behavior as criminal.
	Today, it's dropping gum.
	Tomorrow, it would be the way you walk.
	Well, they already have that with biometrics.
	Remember Admiral Poindexter's giant analysis program?
	It studied the way people walk and their likelihood of being terrorists.
	Wardens have issued the first of fifty dollar or fifty pound, basically a hundred dollar fine for dropping chewing gum in Manchester as part of a New Big Brother style little clamp down.
	They use the term Big Brother as it's good in this article.
	A man was caught on surveillance camera spitting out the gum
	In the Piccadilly Gardens, CCTV camera operators saw the incident and alerted city center wardens who were given a description of the offender.
	They approached the man and issued him a 50-pound penalty notice.
	It is understood he plans to appeal.
	So, Manchester is one of the three cities chosen by the government to use on-the-spot fines to tackle the problem of chewing gum stuck to pavements.
	Yeah, Big Brother now to keep you safe from that.
	Some good news, Maryland bans night seatbelt spying.
	Erlich rejects police Big Brother tactics.
	Maryland State Police will not be using night vision equipment to spy on motorists to see if they are wearing seatbelts.
	Reacting quickly to complaints, Governor Robert
	Ehrlich, on Monday, directed the state police to discontinue testing the effectiveness of the equipment.
	By the way, that's International Seat Belt Initiative.
	2.2 billion a year.
	It has nothing to do with seat belts.
	It's about searching vehicles.
	But it's whenever they get caught, it's, oh, it's for seat belts.
	Governor Ehrlich isn't a fan of Big Brother tactics.
	When it comes to law enforcement, that's the very reason why he vetoed speed cameras, said Charisse DeLaver, as spokeswoman for Ehrlich.
	Well, at least that's good news.
	The Governor felt that there is an appropriate time and place for the use of night vision equipment.
	However, he did not feel that seat belt enforcement rose to that level, the lever said.
	Borrowed from the military, the equipment was used only during a three hour test in Rockville area of Montgomery County Wednesday night.
	The equipment already has been returned.
	Hey folks, you don't like that?
	I saw articles eight years ago where the Army was giving free ground penetrating radar to police departments.
	It isn't like infrared that just sees a little bit through your walls.
	You know, basically heat patterns.
	It sees, you know, a black and white image of you in the shower, in bed with your wife, whatever.
	I mean, this is out of control.
	I told you Newsweek's a government op, folks.
	This is out of the raw story.
	Newsweek DC Media Manager will become PRVP, or White House Anti-Drug Campaign.
	Rosanna Matita, Newsweek's Washington Media Relations Manager, leaves the magazine to join a public relations firm as Vice President for the White House's anti-drug campaign tomorrow, i.e.
	going after their competition.
	The move was announced Friday in an email to the press.
	She will join the international public relations firm, Fleischmann Hillard.
	After five years at Newsweek, I'm leaving on Monday to pursue a new adventure in a PR firm.
	You were always part of a PR firm.
	Flashman Hillard, she wrote, it's been a great pleasure to work with you over the years and I hope we will continue to do so in my new capacity, VP for the White House Anti-Drug Campaign, said.
	The U.S.
	Office of National Drug Policy, she said, has its own spokesperson.
	She declined to comment further, referring questions on Monday, ruling that overruled state medical marijuana laws to her new firm.
	Fleishman-Hillard has been the architect of the White House Aggressive Anti-Drug Campaigns, which have increased drugs on the street.
	Particularly with regard to marijuana, they pioneered a campaign which encouraged parents to engage their children about drug use and also link drug use to funding Al-Qaeda.
	The firm asserts that they have successfully changed perceptions about marijuana.
	Yes, so that it's connected to terrorists.
	Just absolutely ridiculous.
	Alright, we'll come back.
	The Downing Street Memo, Top Secret, no more.
	MEPs devoted to invasive data collection systems, and a lot more.
	We'll probably have time to jam a few calls in here.
	I thought we had a bunch of calls and they all dropped.
	Maybe phones again.
	So we'll see if we can get back through.
	Alright ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back on the other side of this quick break.
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	We're going to take a final call from Dale in Texas.
	Cover a few final news items here.
	I've been getting a few calls from radio station managers that want to pick the show up because callers, listeners call them.
	For listeners, you're doing a great job, but direct them to GCNlive.com.
	We have two satellites.
	We have one that is the Starz Encore satellite.
	We lease a little sub-audio feed from them, which any station can get and put up.
	And that's what most of the other Patriot networks do.
	They lease them from folks like that.
	And then there's only four radio satellites.
	There's a Clear Channel, an ABC, a CBS, and I think Jones Broadcasting.
	We lease a feed, because you have to lease one of these, and so those stations need to know about those fees.
	They can go to GCNLive.com and get that.
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	I've got stations calling me asking me to have them pick the show up, and they need to go to GCNLive.com.
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	Alright, let's go to Dale in Texas.
	Dale, go ahead, you're on the ear.
	Hey Alex, can you hear me?
	Yes.
	Hey, I got some stuff that just came back from Iraq, including a radiac detector that's worn on the wrist of a M1A1 Abrams tank commander's
	You know, he puts it on his wrist to monitor any radiation, and there is no indications at all of any radiation at all.
	And it's been a year out there with all this quote DU, and I was just wondering how much money are you making out of playing on people's fears?
	Okay, you know what?
	Can we get you on tomorrow for a full hour?
	No, no, no.
	Put him on hold for a second.
	Dale, I want to get your number, or I want to guarantee that you'll come on for a full hour tomorrow with me.
	Okay?
	He hung up.
	He hung up.
	See?
	Dale, call back in right now.
	I mean, please call back in, but I'm not going to let you run over me.
	1-800-259-9231.
	We need to spend plenty of time on this.
	I don't know about the particular type of radiation detector you're talking about, but Depleted Uranium, the Army's own handbook, says it's deadly poison in the heavy metal alone, and the New York Daily News tested the blood of the troops and found that they had upwards of two rims of radiation.
	Okay?
	I've had Dr. Doug Rocky, who wrote the book for the Pentagon on it, who's sick and dying, many of his team have died,
	Now, the type of detectors that I know that some of the tanks have on them, I don't know about on their wrists, only pick up the type that you would have from, like, a nuclear spill.
	I mean, really high radiation.
	The kind of stuff, you know, that'll kill you if you're around it for a day or so.
	DU is different, sir.
	It's particle-ized, and it goes on.
	So there's different types of radiation.
	And I haven't made a film about DU,
	Though I should make a film about it and, as you said, make some money trying to warn people.
	I feel good about making money warning people so I can hire more staff and warn more people.
	So, I don't know why you hung up, Dale, but when somebody disagrees, I just love it.
	So you think I'm a traitor because I'm exposing DU.
	The troops were forced to take experimental anthrax shots with the government now admits made them very sick.
	I mean, I don't understand, Dale, and I don't know why you hung up.
	Did he ever call back?
	Did he call back?
	He didn't call back?
	So, you know, DU is not nutritious.
	You know, I challenge you.
	If you call me at 11 o'clock tomorrow, I'll have you on for a full hour.
	Okay?
	I know I got guests coming up tomorrow, but we'll move them if need be.
	Or you call in after this show any time you want, buddy.
	You can come on for 30 minutes, an hour, whatever you want.
	Because I'm ready to defend my ideas.
	Alright, get Marshall Law the new film.
	Get it, make copies, get it out to people.
	So we can wake up dumbbells like Dale, who thinks DU is nutritious.
	And that's 1-888-253-3139 or Infowars.com to order it via the safe, secure online shopping cart.
	Sir, the Pentagon admits DU is deadly dangerous.
	Terrible!