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Air Date: March 29, 2005
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He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for joining us live on this Tuesday edition.
The 29th day of March 2005.
We'll be live for the next three hours right here on the GCN Radio Network.
And we're going to take a lot of your phone calls in this first hour.
I know many of you are chomping at the bit to talk about the Terry Shivo Schindler case.
And she is clearly in her last days.
Or end of days.
Not long for this world, as they say.
A true travesty of justice.
A true public execution and torture.
It is truly brutal.
Also, we'll be talking about the huge earthquake yesterday.
They first said it was an 8.3.
By the end of the day, it was an 8.7.
And hundreds are dead today.
On top of all of this, the Times of London is reporting depressed Coffee Annan close to quitting over U.N.
And who's waiting in the wings?
Bill Clinton.
William Jefferson Clinton.
And we've got Wolfie Witts, clearly going to be our new World Bank head.
They're putting in the...
The little neocons left and right.
And by neocons, Bill Clinton was for the war in Serbia, the neocon idea.
Bill Clinton is all for the Iraq war.
And George Bush has been protecting him all along, blocking release of documents, ordering Congress, which I didn't think the executive could do, to not investigate Clinton.
So we'll get into the geopolitical landscape and what it's shaping up.
Ebola-like virus deaths in Angola
A rising travel warning issued.
That'll be very serious if any of that stuff ever spreads over here.
And we'll get into not just the earthquake yesterday, but how earthquakes are at record levels in recorded history right now.
We've had two of the biggest earthquakes in recorded history just in the last four months.
Less than four months.
And at the same time, there's a whole bunch of new developments concerning Terri Schiavo.
Terri's demonstrating her will to live.
Follow the Constitution, Governor Bush.
Grant clemency to Terri Schiavo Schindler.
At the same time, different law enforcement groups are calling for a criminal investigation and a freeze
On the dehydration and murder of Terry Shivo Schindler.
But as we learned over the weekend, they were already sending state police to rescue her, but the little Pinellas Park police said they were going to have a standoff with them and even joked how many of us can hold off the National Guard, and Jeb Bush did absolutely nothing.
He can pardon drug dealers.
His brother can pardon drug dealers and murderers.
Bill Clinton can do it, but we can't do it for this woman.
And it's been said a thousand times, I'll say it again, you can't execute an ex-murderer the way they're executing Terry.
And I've heard so much incredible spin.
The Associated Press is reporting that she's being cared for and treated at the hospital, and she's only had her food taken away.
Well, no, she's had her food and water taken away, and she's not being cared for.
She's being murdered.
So stop redefining reality.
Stop editing reality.
Stop engaging in these semantical frauds.
There is so much other key news and information coming up.
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It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
All right, second segment, 8 minutes, 25 seconds into this first hour.
That confuses some people.
They say, second segment, we just tuned in to you.
We were just listening to the news.
I think it's fine if our affiliates carry the news.
But to be quite frank with you folks, we cover the real news in the first five minutes of each hour.
We cover a lot more news than you hear on most of these news feeds on the different networks out there.
Some of the broadcasts on our network choose to have news play before their shows.
And that's their prerogative.
But I choose to not have it because more of our stations do want that first little five-minute segment, and they opt out of the supposed news and just get it here.
So we are into our second segment now, and I do have a Council on Foreign Relations member.
His book is published by the Council on Foreign Relations, that organization openly calling for world government with most prominent members of academia, finance, government, media, the arts, being members of it.
And this member of the CFR has written a book that I agree with against torture.
And so we're going to be having him on to talk about torture.
And who knows, maybe a little bit about the CFR.
Because the CFR, of course, does have its token good members in it.
I guess kind of for PR purposes.
But this is an interview you do not want to miss.
Coming up in the middle of the next hour.
Well, at the start of the next hour, in the middle of the broadcast.
The middle third of this transmission against tyranny.
Boy, I tell you, I'm awake now.
I had just gotten some coffee kind of late in the morning.
I had it sitting up here on my broadcast desk and for some reason was grabbing at some papers under the stack and knocked the whole giant brimming container that I just got at the Rockefeller Exxon into my lap.
I was up late working last night.
I did the Jeff Rentsch radio program and then did about three hours of research after that, so I went to sleep about 3 a.m.
Still got up pretty early this morning, but never got around to making any coffee.
So when I left the house and went to the office, I pulled in and got some coffee, and just a few minutes after I had gotten into the studio in the middle of that last break, spilt it into my lap.
So I am, I think, more awake now than if I would have drunk that coffee.
Ha, ha, ha.
Alright, enough with the mindless issues.
I don't think you tune in to hear me talk about coffee, do you?
Bill in Ireland and Kenneth in Louisiana, James in North Carolina, Johnny in Canada, John in Texas.
We're going to go to your calls here in just a few minutes.
I want to do things a little bit different today.
I normally go to calls about 30 minutes into the broadcast.
We're just going to go to your calls basically immediately.
And then I'll get into Depressed Annan, that's Coffee Annan.
For those educated in the government training camps.
Close to quitting over UN scandals.
And a lot of our conservative listeners are probably saying, Hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
I mean, Kofi Annan's involved in white slavery rings.
Kofi Annan's involved in bed rigging and scamming and UN food for oil frauds.
He's horrible.
Sex orgies at the UN.
He's horrible.
They're all horrible.
He's a lot better, though, than Kirk Valtime, the SS officer who hunted down American soldiers and killed them.
He's like a demon compared to Satan.
Yes, he's of hell, but is he the worst?
Of course, there really is no lesser of two evils, so it's all part and parcel of the same flock of blackbirds.
At the same time, we have Coffee Annan talking about leaving, and Bill Clinton's lined up.
He's got six of the G8, excuse me, seven of the G8 lined up.
It's been in major publications for four years that Lord Clinton wants to be Secretary General, and it's the U.S.'
The U.S.
's turn.
has never had a Secretary General.
Never had a Secretary General, and so...
We're going to get into why this is shaping up to happen.
Of course, Ebola-like virus deaths rise in Angola.
Travel warning issued.
Hundreds die in the Indonesian quake that was an 8.7 right in the same area as the quake that killed hundreds of thousands via tsunamis back on the 26th of December.
And hundreds are confirmed dead.
They're saying thousands may have died, but not from rising water this time, but from collapsing buildings.
In some areas, some of the islands that were hit by quakes, the quake went on for six minutes.
The question is, is this a precursor to something larger?
Volcanic and tectonic activity is at world record levels.
A lot of new Terry Schiavo developments as well.
Fathers of Schiavo, weak but responding.
And now the blood is reportedly coming out of her mouth, her eyes, other areas.
Her skin is flaking off in big cracks.
You talk about brutal torture, this is it, but she's still responding, still fighting.
And I am just totally disgusted.
Some people have been saying, why am I so concerned about this?
150,000 Iraqis have died just since the liberation.
Over a million in the 13 years of sanctions.
We have 50 million abortions in this country.
They're killing people by having their feeding tubes taken who are openly begging for food and water.
It's in regional papers every week.
Why are we focusing so much on Terry?
Because the globalists decided, the social architects decided, to make her a poster child for death.
To redefine terms using Terry.
Because she's a dear, sweet creature who was, now I've got other affidavits and medical reports by doctors, do you know ten years ago they were able to get her up and help her that she could walk?
A bunch of other affidavits about her eating, other affidavits about her talking.
But anybody who doesn't get rehabilitation isn't going to get better.
And we already know the details of this.
It's just so brutal to watch this happening and so painful.
And Terry went six and a half, seven days without water back in 2003.
Perhaps he could come back now, but he'll never allow her to have rehabilitation.
I would say, from the medical experts we've talked to, that it's irreparable what they've done to this young lady.
They have tortured her just brutally.
We'll get into it later.
Right now, let's go to Bill in Ireland, in the Emerald Isle, I believe they call it.
Welcome, Bill.
Yes, thanks, sir.
I'd just like to say on the Terri Shiver thing that I have two numbers for people to give out.
I mean, she is still conscious.
Yesterday, from news reports I heard, she raised her arm to greet an old friend that came into the room to see her.
She's definitely fighting hard.
I mean, I think we should still try to save her.
But 10, 11 days without water, it kills most people.
Well, as you said, she was through this before, so she has inner strength.
She was given Holy Communion, so she has spiritual strength, too.
I've gotten a lot of emails and personal friends have called me, and there have been historical cases of this.
We should all pray for her and pray for a miracle.
I mean, if she...
You know, but even if she stood up and started walking right now, even though she hasn't been allowed outside for five years and haven't let them brush her teeth for ten years and won't let them treat her bed sores for a decade, even if she stood up and started walking, they'd say, oh, well, this is just her nerves doing this.
I mean, they'd spin it.
Yes, but I think pressure still helps.
I remember when I was driving around Los Angeles some years ago in 1993,
Listening to Rush Limbaugh, he gave out the White House number, and it was about the homosexuals in the Army, or whatever was the issue at that time, and people that Clinton wanted to bring in, and so everybody called the White House, millions of people.
But have you noticed now that Bush is in and doing it, it's not a problem now that Bush wants women in frontline combat, it's okay?
Yeah, they've done away with the don't ask, don't tell thing, haven't they?
Look, it's all window dressing, but go ahead.
Yeah, I just want to say people should keep calling.
This is the number for Jeb Bush, the governor, the punches pilot of Florida.
It's 850-488-2272.
And let me give that to you again.
Everybody should ring, and it's going to be a busy line, but keep ringing.
Keep that line tied up.
And, you know, bring it to a standstill.
The other number, when you're finished calling him, and call the President Bush in the White House, his number is 202-456-1414.
All right, listen, Bill, I appreciate the call.
Did you know two days ago a little baby had his food and support taken away and died in Texas because Bush, before he left...
One of his last actions was to pass this cost-saving measure, where when you're a ward of the state, or when you're having your medical care paid for by the state, they will take your feeding tube, take your support away.
And why I think we should call for Terry Schindler, known as Shivo, we should also expose the fact that...
This is very hypocritical, what Bush and others have done, and that all of these lives are just as valuable.
When we come back, we'll talk to John and Johnny and James and Kenneth and many others.
And I'm going to go to your calls quickly, because I want to get everybody in here.
We've got a big guest coming up in the second hour.
But I want to see people get as upset...
Next time I'm talking about somebody who's begging for food and water who can actually talk.
Honey, can I please have some water?
No, you're going to die.
The Bioethics Board says so.
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I'll say this.
The social architects thought that they would use the Terry Schindler case to train us to accept the torture and execution of people that are paralyzed.
But it's going to blow up in their face.
If Terry dies from the abuse they've been inflicting on her, if it continues much longer, she will be a martyr for the right to life and pro-life movement.
John in Texas.
Thanks for holding.
Hi, Alex.
Go ahead.
Can you hear me?
Yes, sir.
You know, when the Romans used to nail a guy to the cross to crucify him, it wasn't a nail that killed him.
It was the lack of food, water, and his organs were shut down.
And it was a cruel death, and they knew it.
That's why they did it.
So it sort of looks like we're living in a new Rome, don't it?
Well, actually, what killed you was suffocation, generally, because you couldn't support...
Your diaphragm, because you were hanging by your arms, and that's why if people were still alive, usually, after five or six hours, the Romans would break your legs.
Because sometimes people could still partially support themselves and give their diaphragm purchase, you know, hold themselves up.
But you're right, it was a very cruel form of torture.
And this ranks right up there with that, as far as I'm concerned.
When they slowly starve somebody to death like that, and...
And won't give them any kind of treatment or nothing that ranks up there with crucifixion.
No, you're absolutely right.
And they use a very sophisticated, lawyer-like, semantical spin when they say, well, she's going to feel euphoria.
And it's true.
Right before you go into a coma, generally, from dehydration, you will feel euphoric for a few minutes or a few hours.
But we're talking about days and weeks of torture before that.
So it's all semantical.
I know another trick that the Romans had was they used to take Christian babies and hang them from a long pole in the arena and let starving hyenas tear them apart.
Well, that's true.
The Christians were with Al-Qaeda, though.
We had to stop Al-Qaeda.
But if you read what's been going on in these abortion clinics with these partial birth abortions, especially with these two-legged hyenas ripping them apart, I don't see any difference.
I just don't like the way this country's going.
Yep, hundreds of thousands of babies a year that could be adopted.
No reason to kill them in the late third trimester.
Thanks for the call, John.
I hear you.
Johnny in Canada.
Johnny, welcome.
Hey, how's it going, Alex?
Good, sir.
I took a little vacation this weekend to visit some family for Easter, and I took a drive up the highway.
Up here in BC.
And what I saw was, I don't know, it was weird, it was about 50 or 60 military, probably Canadian trucks that were coming down the highway at different times.
And they had weird, what they looked like, I don't know if they were Russian or Dutch flags flying from parts of the truck, just like tied to them.
Kind of like a little flag.
Well, there's always a lot of foreign troops doing maneuvers here in the United States, especially in the South and Southwest, but I don't know about what's going on up in Canada.
Well, I don't know.
I found it kind of weird until I saw a little something on resistancemanifesto.com, which talks about concentration camps, right?
And on one of their little slideshow things, I see this enemy prisoner of war compound
Well, let's check that out.
I appreciate the call, Johnny.
Let's go ahead and talk to Kenneth in Louisiana.
Kenneth, welcome.
Hello there, Alex.
Hello, sir.
How we doing today?
Doing a radio broadcast and talking to you, so I'm doing pretty good.
Okie doke.
I thought I'd heard over the weekend on one of the news broadcasts that Governor Bush, his office was taking any suggestions from anybody that had any ideas on what they could do.
Well, that's true.
This is what happened over the weekend.
Last week, the Congress subpoenaed Terry, and this little-nothing judge said no, which is ridiculous.
Now, then the governor was going to send in the state police via abuse charges for an investigation, but didn't.
The governor could do this if he wanted to.
He's just basically using it as a political set piece.
He isn't.
Yeah, I thought it might be interesting if you stuck somebody from his office on there just to see what they had to say.
Well, they're pretty swamped.
I'm told it's hard to even get through to the governor's office, period, much less get a spokesperson on.
And one other question I had a few years ago, this thing about Bill Clinton and the head of the U.N.
had come up, and somewhere I heard that if the country sits on the Security Council, you can't have anybody from that country be in the head of the U.N.,
You know, I believe that's the case, but I'd have to check that out.
Yeah, if I mentioned it, I'd hurt that, and maybe you could check it out.
I'm glad you raised that, because Bill Clinton says he wants to be Secretary General, and a lot of major publications say he's probably going to be the next person.
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Let's go straight back to the calls and talk to James in North Carolina.
James, hello.
Hey, how you doing?
I'm doing all right, James.
Yeah, but it makes it hard to do all right with hearing all this news.
My father, they didn't know if he had Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's, but he had to go to a rest home and they put him on feeding tubes.
And then...
Well, in a lot of cases, people are in bad shape, but then they get better about half the time.
Even when they're elderly, if they have to go on a feeding tube, they build their strength back up and in many cases, you know, live another decade.
Yeah, I mean, my father used to sit there and he wasn't like her, but he could sit in there and say, son, what did you have to eat today?
Because his swallowing esophagus couldn't work anymore, so we fed him on
The tube and water.
Well, that happens to a lot of people.
In fact, my grandfather on my mother's side and my grandmother on my father's side both had strokes.
And they were both associated with having surgery, because that's how it always happens, blood clots.
And they both had their throats paralyzed where they couldn't eat.
And my grandmother went on trips all over the country, cooked food, I guess for about six, seven, eight years, longer than that, before she finally died.
But according to these bioethicists, they just go ahead and kill her because her life isn't valuable.
Thanks for the call.
But she toughed it out for a long time.
My grandfather, I guess he lived about five years after that happened, and he went from weighing about 250 pounds down to probably about 170.
He never got really, really skinny.
But it wasn't fun, but he had a pretty good quality of life.
The point is, you don't want to get the government involved in, oh, you have quality, you don't have quality.
Understand that.
They're using the Terry Shadow Schindler case.
We say Schindler, folks, because her husband has left her for ten years, has another wife, has children.
Under any gauge of civil law, he has divorced her.
He has left her.
He has abandoned her.
And, of course, I don't know if you know the story.
Some people still that I've talked to on the street or who email me don't know the story.
He said he wanted to rehabilitate her until he got the settlement.
$300,000 for himself, $700,000 for her.
As soon as he got the settlement, he totally changed and said, no more treatment, no more nothing.
When is that bitch going to die?
That's from the affidavit.
And she was responding very nicely to the treatment, to the rehabilitation.
So they're now redefining terms, and it's very, very scary.
Let's go ahead now and talk to Dave in Wisconsin.
Dave, welcome.
Good afternoon.
Good day, anyway, Alex.
I just wanted to bring up a couple things.
I was down there at Pinellas Park for the last week, and I don't know if you knew that they had snipers on the roof.
Well, listen, I mean, we've gone out and had land rights rallies, Second Amendment rallies, and they've had SWAT teams.
I mean, I've been walking and seen the rifle aimed at my head, and I start waving at them, and, you know, the guys laugh at me, and I'm just walking around, you know, wearing a T-shirt and blue jeans, no weapons, with a bullhorn, and they're like,
But finally people did, quote, rush, instead of one at a time being arrested, with glasses of water yesterday.
And NPR did call it, they said, the violence escalated with the protesters, implying that there had already been violence.
And then they went on to say when they rushed the police with glasses of water.
Well, that's not violent, but there they are again, semantically manipulating the words.
Also, we were out there with a picture of Auschwitz, and we also brought up on the sign that it was E4 where they started with that secret program the Nazis did of starving children to death, disabled children.
And the press...
We went out with a Nazi flag, and the press pretty much ignored us, though, for the most part.
They don't want to go that way.
They don't want to compare it to Nazi Germany.
Well, I've talked to other people that are there.
You'll have hundreds of people with anti-death signs, but the media, and I've seen it on the news and in AP and other snapshots, they will show the one or two signs that are for killing Terry.
Yeah, I heard one person say that there was about an equal amount of protesters on both sides, which was totally untrue.
The most I saw were six for killing Terry, and there was probably 200 to 300 on the other side at the time that she was saying this.
Well, when you notice, the news doesn't like to show wide shots of the crowd.
That's a trick they play.
Since you raised Hitler, since you brought up Adolf Hitler,
Shortly after being elected, the Nazi doctrine was, kill the old, the infirm, the psychologically unclean, they called it racial sanitation.
And the first person that they publicly killed, now the Nazis for two years, after getting into office, were killing most of the people in the hospitals, taking their food and water away, giving injections to people that were paralyzed, even from the chest down, if they weren't politically connected.
This is part of the mainstream history books.
Yeah, that was part of P4.
It was secret to keep it from the German people for a long time.
Exactly, until 1935.
And just like with the Schiavo case...
They picked a poster child, because they know that human beings interface on an individual basis.
So, through the image of one person, it's easier for us to get a concept.
Stalin said it.
One person dies, it's a tragedy.
Ten thousand die, it's a statistic.
So, this family, who were high-level Nazis, wrote a letter to the Fuhrer that was published in newspapers and put in newsreels, and Hitler talked about it in the National Speech.
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
And all he does is walk around in the woods and murmur and say the same thing over and over again.
Oh, please, Fuhrer, give us permission to kill him and rid the Reich of this... They use the same term that eugenics individuals used in this country.
So Hitler said, all right, you can kill him.
And it was a loving, good thing the Fuhrer did.
And it was all over Nazi news.
And in America, Hitler was hailed by the eugenics crowd that runs Planned Parenthood today.
Margaret Sanger got awards from Hitler, gave awards to Hitler.
All of this.
And so you're absolutely right.
And then a few years later, they were basically killing everybody.
And that's where we're headed.
If people don't get out there and try to stop them.
But notice they use these special cases to introduce it to the public.
Any other observations you made, Dave, while you were in Pinellas Park, Florida?
Yeah, I would say that the crowd was very peaceful.
And I actually, for when they were in there murdering a person, I thought they should have been a little more vocal and raucous, even though the family would have been a little...
Are you saying family members of other people in the hospice or the Schindlers?
Family members of both, as a matter of fact.
One lady, her aunt had died.
She said that we were upsetting other patients in there.
You know, that's not your problem.
That's the problem of the people engaging in murder.
Listen, I want to say this right now.
I'm tired of all the word manipulation.
I mean, that's the nature of what Eric Blair, known as George Arwell, wrote about in 1984.
They call it, in the news, she's being given treatment.
She's being given care in the hospice right now.
They get on the news and say we can't give her water because it might hurt her.
Folks, I've actually heard them say this on national news.
They're changing all of these semantics around.
It's a fraud.
They're turning us into a deaf culture.
They certainly are.
Anything else, Dave?
No, that would be all.
Thank you very much.
I have one last question.
What prompted you to get in your car and drive down there from Wisconsin?
Well, I looked at it, myself and another pastor, as a matter of fact.
We looked at it as kind of a watershed case.
In that they want to, you know, basically get into the general public euthanasia.
No, you're right.
It's like Roe v. Wade.
It's being introduced to us, and now the next time we hear about it, we won't be as upset, and it'll also give us this feeling of defeatism, this feeling of it can't be stopped.
That's right, and that's exactly what they're doing.
They're going to shove it down our throats whether we like it or not.
And if you watch the national news and the spin they're putting on it, like you say, they're euphoric when they're going without food and water.
I mean, these idiots, I wish they'd go without food and water for a couple of days.
Well, I fasted one time, just because it is healthy to do occasionally, for four days.
Man, I did not enjoy it, but they say that not eating is nothing compared to not drinking.
Thanks for the call.
I really do appreciate that, and I appreciate you going down there.
You did the right thing.
God bless you, Dave.
No, they know exactly what they're doing with this case.
John in Tennessee.
John, go ahead.
I have a question about Colonel Bogright filing affidavits of citizen's arrest against Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer, but of course it did not succeed, and Gritz was arrested for trying to bring water to Terry, which serves no useful purpose.
Now, to make a citizen's arrest, a person must make physical contact with the arrestee and take them into custody.
But to file a legitimate criminal complaint and get the police to make an arrest,
It can only be filed with a judge in criminal court who holds an instant hearing on probable cause to determine if he should issue an arrest warrant.
But Gritz filed his affidavit with the prosecutor and Governor Bush, so it had no effect.
And my question is, as a military officer, Gritz is still in the Army Reserves, so is he an infiltrator set to subvert the arrest of... Well, his name is Bo Greitz.
Just so you know, it's not grits.
That's my take on it.
Oh, okay.
I understand.
It's tongue-in-cheek.
Was he sent to protect the massive insurance reserve frauds in these medical death camps and to protect Bush and protect the genocide of 7,000 Americans every day in bed now practice and aborticide?
Or is he legitimate?
John, you know what?
I don't think Bo was down there for a bad reason.
I think he was down there because he's legitimately concerned, and I appreciate your call.
Listen, I have nothing against Bo Grites.
I got in a big fight with him on air one time when he was a guest because he's arrogant, and he won't admit that he was wrong about what he said about patriots on CNN.
But for those that don't know, remember the...
Teenager, he was like a college student, 19 years old, who was bombing all over the Midwest.
Little mailbox bombs that, thank God, didn't hurt anybody.
And I looked at the bombs on TV, the map, and I said, that's almost a smiley face.
And then listeners emailed and said, have you seen Fight Club with Tyler Durgin?
Where they bomb the shape of smiley faces in buildings.
And I said, yep, this is some young drug head who thinks he's part of Fight Club.
And that is exactly what it was.
And we're on record predicting that.
Now we're on air saying what it is with basic criminology.
Thanks to you, the listeners, putting our heads together.
That's what police do.
They get a bunch of detectives in a room and brainstorm for, you know, ten hours around coffee.
Well, that's what we did.
We had the answer.
When the government was sucking their thumbs and had no idea what was going on.
Well, Bo gets up on CNN.
This was like two or three years ago, so I forget all the details.
But he gets up basically, I have the video clip somewhere, and says, well, this is this right-wing, militia-type, black helicopter crowd.
That's probably who's behind it.
Now, that's pretty suspect, and I don't know why he said that.
And then I got him up on the air and said he was wrong, and he said, no, I'm not wrong.
So that's why I don't interview Bo.
I don't, you know, I don't, I mean, it was bad.
I mean, I've said stuff that's wrong before, nothing of that magnitude, but I'll say I'm wrong.
But I don't want to sit here and say Bo is some government agent and he's bad.
And this brings me into a whole other subject, and then we'll go to Jim and others.
I've heard people on the radio saying it's all a giant theatrical production, that this is all a staged event and the Schindlers are in on it.
Folks, that is clearly not true.
I've interviewed the Schindlers three, four years ago.
You're right in the fact that you're saying that it's a theater, that the media has decided to focus in on this.
But the Schindlers are good people.
And I'm really, you know, my heart goes out to them.
But this happens.
Folks that are into the New World Order, into the truth movement, they get away from what they can prove and they get off so many times, quite frankly, into the absurd.
And that's why some people don't listen to us because they've heard so many kooks out there
Who just extrapolate and basically with the most tenuous fragments of tertiary capillary evidence start extrapolating and making stuff up.
When we've got just so many real things we can prove and focus in on.
And really, for the people out there that are attacking the Schindlers now, give me a break.
You really need to spend your time on better issues.
There are so many real things that are unbelievable that are happening.
Like that Cynthia McKinney clip we played from the House Armed Services Committee last week.
You know, Rumsfeld, government-run white slavery rings, trillions missing from the Pentagon, 9-11 war games.
I mean, this is real stuff.
Cancer viruses and the vaccines, real.
Genetic engineering of most of the crops, the patenting of the food chain, just hundreds of real things that are happening.
The free trade area of the Americas, national toll roads going in everywhere.
But so many people, when I tune into other radio shows, when I go to other, quote,
They don't talk about that stuff.
It's just all, this patriot's bad, this patriot's good, I like this person, I don't like that person.
You know, why does Alex Jones do these radio interviews with mainstream talk show hosts?
He's evil.
No, I'm going into their territory.
I'm engaging in information warfare.
It's just mind-blowing.
So come on, let's get our heads screwed on straight, and let's stick with the facts.
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Yes, Alex.
From a humanistic point of view, I agree with everything you say about this Schindler case.
But when you knock the judge on his decision, you're dead wrong.
Because some time ago, we were converted from people to a resource.
We the resources.
Well, just because under Admiralty Law they've all declared us slave chattel of the state under a mercantile enterprise, doesn't mean that this parallel legal system they've built is the legitimate legal system.
Well, that's what we ought to work on.
Get rid of that.
But until we do, and nobody griped, I didn't hear one talk show anywhere talk about being converted to a resource.
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They call us, you know, your manager's called the resource manager, human resources.
And under this whole bioethics system, they decide if you're a good resource.
Now, as a resource, they can do anything to you they want to.
A farmer that has a cow that's not productive, what's he do with it?
Kills it.
Well, again, courts have said black people aren't human beings.
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That's a fraud.
The courts can say none of us have rights, and they decide if we're human.
That's what the bioethics boards do.
It's a fraud.
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Thanks for the call.
But Governor Bush here in Texas, before he left office, made it to where the state, if they're paying for you, will kill you.
And the so-called Christians don't want to talk about that.
Let's talk to, who's up next here?
Doug in Canada, go ahead.
Hi, Alex.
You know, it takes a big man to back his words up, but it takes a bigger man to admit he was wrong and carry on.
Yeah, McKinney, I think if more people like, if we had more people like her with a backbone, places of power, then we wouldn't be in the position we're in today.
Have you seen that video clip?
Yes, and I've heard it many, many times on the network here.
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Doug, you were bringing up that Cynthia McKinney clip we played first last week.
Now others have aired it.
It's posted on Infowars.com, still on the main page today.
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And again, terrorism is being used as the pretext to radically shift our entire society into a total police state.
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And Mark, like many of our guests, has a gigantic bio.
You can just link through at InfoWars.com to his website, MarkDanner.com.
Danner is D-A-N-N-E-R.
And Mark Danner is a writer, journalist, and professor who has written for more than two decades on foreign affairs and international conflict.
He has covered Central America, Haiti, the Balkans, and Iraq, among other stories, and has written extensively about the development of American foreign policy during the late Cold War and afterward, and about violations of human rights during that time.
His book, Torture and Truth, is what we're about to be talking about.
And he is also a member of the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations with its 25 roughly 100 members, most of the most prestigious members of academia, banking and finance, government, entertainment, philosophy, you name it.
And I do take Foreign Affairs, the bi-monthly publication.
Thank you Alex, thank you for inviting me.
How did you get into writing this book, Torture and Truth, America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror?
Because I've read the synopsis of it online.
You basically, correct me if I'm wrong, point the finger and say, look, this stuff was ordered.
Well, we have the Army's own documents.
That's admitted.
But still, the general public isn't aware of that.
And then the other question is, are you popular at the CFR having these views?
Because it seems the CFR right now is dominated by the neocons.
Well, the first question, how I got involved in writing about it, I had been writing about Iraq and the Iraq War, and this was part of that.
In fact, the images that were broadcast about a year ago now were enormously important in the war itself.
They gave a very strong boost to the insurgency.
Extremely useful to them in propaganda and so on and in recruiting members of the insurgency.
So though we look at this as a domestic kind of scandal, it had a lot to do with the Iraq War and giving help to the insurgency in fighting the Americans.
So that's originally how I began writing about it.
It soon became evident, though, that a lot of the documents that were being either released by the government
Or leaked by the government were extremely important, it seemed to me, for a public understanding of what exactly happened.
This is one of those cases where if you actually look at the documents, if you look at the reports, you look at the depositions of those who were abused and tortured, you look at what the government itself has found to have happened at Abu Ghraib and also at other prisons, it isn't terribly controversial what went on there.
What is controversy is the difference between what the government says happened and what was actually found out in these reports.
So I felt very strongly that one had to try to bridge that gap
And so the book, Torture and Truth, includes not only my writing about what happened and the Iraq war itself, but the documents from the government that tell what happened.
But let me stop you right there.
By controversial, you mean what happened there isn't being debated.
Well, it's an interesting... Or do you mean it's not that big of a deal?
Please clarify.
No, no, I certainly think it is a very big deal.
When I say controversial and not controversial, I mean that the actual thing... It's very transparent.
It is transparent if you actually look at the investigations into what happened.
But you'll never know what really happened if you watch the nightly news.
That's right.
That's right.
Because the government responded to what happened by simply saying, you know, this was a few bad apples, which is the traditional...
A response of governments who are accused of torture.
The United Kingdom said that in the early 70s when there was a famous case in Northern Ireland, and it's happened a number of times, and the few bad apples defense is actually the way lawyers describe it.
I like the analogy of cockroaches.
We've already seen ten big fat cockroaches on the kitchen floor.
There's probably a thousand in the walls.
That's a homely metaphor that's very effective, I think.
I mean, they claim, oh, it's just a few bad apples.
No, this is just where they got caught.
Yeah, I'm afraid that is the case.
Increasingly, this stuff has come out.
We've essentially had revelations at the rate of a few a week.
The problem is, though, is the administration essentially counts on people not actually looking at the record.
Psychological fatigue as well, to just get tired of hearing about it.
I think that's very true.
I think that's very true.
It's a subject that people don't like to think about.
It's shameful.
It's unpleasant.
And I think the administration believes that most people in the country would just as soon believe what the president says rather than look at things that might contradict what he says.
Well, I want to get into your book that's got a lot of reviews for being very scholarly on the subject.
I myself even made a film about it, so I'm up to speed and have basically all the declassified documents and official Army reports on it, as well as a Red Cross report.
But I want to shift gears back to the CFR, which I would say is dominated by the neocons at this point.
Are you popular there in the halls of the CFR?
Well, so far as I know, I'm popular there.
As you and I discussed before, it's a very large organization.
It's ideologically pretty diverse, so it's hard to say what particular strain it's dominated by.
It's a membership organization.
You essentially go to see people speak and see panel discussions and all the rest of it.
And I find it very useful.
I've been a member there for, I don't know, nearly 20 years now, I think.
But isn't it really just a giant change agent group where they get the best minds involved and then kind of start co-opting people and seeing who will play ball?
And by the dominant group being neocons, I mean that particular strain and strata of the CFR is in government right now.
Well, you know, I think it's kind of a complicated issue.
You know, the council...
Has traditionally been this kind of holding place where people who aren't in government at a given time are in the council, and when the government changes hands, you get a lot of people who are at the council moving into the government.
This has traditionally happened for many, many years.
It's also true, though, depending on the ideology of the people who are in power, the council likes to be close to power.
So if you have a government that's predominantly, as you say, neocon, the council will want to have high officials who share that ideology and who have access to power.
And that has always happened.
I don't think that's a particular ideological strain itself.
What was the council founded on?
What was the founding principles?
And then we'll move on in the early 1920s.
Yeah, it was founded essentially right in the aftermath, the immediate aftermath of World War I. It originally was this kind of think tank that was put together to help President Woodrow Wilson.
League of Nations.
In his preparation.
Well, not just for the League, but generally his preparations for the Paris Conference and the Versailles Treaty.
So it was kind of a think tank that was then made permanent
In New York.
Isn't it really the mirror of the Royal Institute of International Affairs?
Yeah, there's certainly similarities.
No question about it.
No question about it.
Well, I don't want to spend all day on that.
The listeners are very interested in the CFR because...
You know, they have people in there who kind of dissent from the predominant paradigm, but generally it's world government's good, world government's the answer, we've got to sacrifice our national sovereignty, whether it's Republicans or Democrats, Strobe Talbot or George Bush Sr., we hear the same diatribe.
Are you a supporter of world government?
Well, you know, I can't help pointing out that the point you just made contradicts pretty dramatically the earlier point about neocons.
It seems to me either it's neocon-sympathetic, as you argued a few minutes ago... What is against the white government?
Well, as far as I can tell, the people in power from Rumsfeld to Paul Wolfowitz and others...
Certainly do not believe in world government.
They don't believe in bolstering multilateral institutions.
They've taken points of view, notably with the Iraq war, that have been flown in the face of U.N.
decisions and U.N.
Professor, you know full well that that's all good cop, bad cop.
I mean, you know Bush has actually been expanding the UN funding and signing on to treaties and going ahead with the free trade area of the Americas.
Well, it's true that they certainly have different positions on trade, no question about it, but I think that their attitude toward the United Nations, with all due respect, is not good cop, bad cop.
I mean, the decision that was made on Iraq...
I think that was the strongest and most dramatic break with the United Nations and UN opinions that I can remember.
I don't think there was anything fake about it.
I think the attitudes and the hurt feelings and the problems in relations, particularly with the European allies, are very real.
This was a real thing.
The fact that they have different views when it comes to trade policy doesn't contradict that central point.
It's obviously complicated.
There are a lot of different areas of this.
Let me ask this.
Don't most members of the CFR believe in global governance?
No, I don't think they do.
It depends what you mean by that, but I think you have a lot of people who are fairly mistrustful of the United Nations and some who believe it should be strengthened.
Opinion in the council is pretty divided.
You know, you're talking about a lot of people with fairly diverse political views.
All right, well, fair enough.
When we get back, I want to get back into torture, and I want to specifically talk about the government documents and who gave the orders for this and just how much of this torture is really going on in light of the Red Sox jet being used to fly people around, you know, the private torture jets in England, the third-party countries.
The Army's own report that 90% of those at the camps are totally innocent.
I want to discuss this with you, and also how television's promoting torture as the new virtue, and people on the left, like Alan Dershowitz.
I appreciate you joining us.
Stay with us, Mr. Danner.
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Continuing, Professor Danner, you talk about documents, and we've got the General's Report, we've got the other reports, 32 camps in Iraq,
Camps where they take people in Egypt and in Jordan and in some of the Central Asian countries.
Camp X-Ray, a CIA camp within a camp.
Admittedly, doing things to people we can't even mention on air, they're so horrible.
I would imagine your book gets into that.
Yes, it certainly does.
It begins with the actual depositions from prisoners that were taken by the Army CID, Criminal Investigation Division, in Iraq.
And I have the text of those depositions included in the book.
It also includes the investigations that you spoke about.
And all of these things together have a great number of accounts taken from, usually in judicial-type settings, so under oath,
Well, there's also the troops pleading guilty.
That's right.
You have a number of guilty pleas.
There's the photographic evidence.
But, you know, the important thing to say here, I think, is that these photographs came out and suggested that this stuff was Animal House on the Night Shift, which the former Secretary of Defense Schlesinger called it.
That is, that it was sort of the late-night doings
I think so.
We're good to go.
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This leads right back to the White House.
I remember Rumsfeld bragging on TV about how they were, quote, pressuring people severely.
I remember Dershowitz calling for torture right after 9-11.
You know, you can see, and certainly the book shows this, that after 9-11 there was a pretty dramatic change right at the top of the government about the attitude toward interrogation.
Decisions were made by the President and by other high officials, first of all to withhold the protections of the Geneva Convention, and that debate was very vivid in the administration, but they finally decided
We're good to go.
I think?
There was a debate in the administration that finally resulted in a document that the Department of Justice wrote, which essentially said, you know, we may be prohibited from torturing, but what exactly is torture?
And it defined torture... Alberto Gonzalez says if we torture somebody up until their organs fail and didn't mean to kill them, then it's not torture.
And by the way, the president is the law.
He's above the law.
That's exactly right.
He basically said...
Look, for somebody to be tortured, they have to cause pain equivalent to major organ failure or death, which means that you can do an awful lot to people, like waterboarding, for example, which is submerging them under water until they drown and then reviving them, which has been used by the CIA and apparently was explicitly approved by the Department of Justice for the CIA to use.
And also Mr. Dershowitz's example, which is inserting sterile needles under their fingernails.
All of these things under the definition that the administration put together would not constitute torture.
So, you know, you have a situation in which the president can say, well, no, no, we do not condone torture.
But when he uses that word, the administration has defined it in a way that most people would not accept.
Depends on what is, is, is, is.
It's a verbal stratagem.
Well, exactly.
And, you know, most people, if you describe waterboarding, which is, you know, you strip somebody down, you beat them up, you strap them to a board, and then you lower their head, usually upside down, into a tub of usually fetid, you know, dirty water, sometimes urine, something like that.
I think so.
I think so.
Yeah, it's like Terry Schiavo.
It's like Terry Schiavo.
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Through fiction and through the mainstream media to accept torture, we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
And I found another clip that's even worse, saying, so what about torture?
I still need to get that uploaded to the network computer, but we're going to play this Limbaugh clip.
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Before I play this Limbaugh clip, Professor Danner, tell us how we get your new book, Torture and Truth.
Well, the book can be gotten through my website, markdanner.com.
It can be ordered from Amazon and Barnes & Noble and other online suppliers.
But, of course, what I would prefer is that people go to their local bookstore where the book should be in stock, and if it's not in stock, to ask for it.
It's from New York Review Books, and it should be widely available.
But if there's any problem in doing that, my website will get you right there very easily, markdenner.com.
Now, I want to go to calls here, but first I want to talk about the hardening of the psyche and how they're selling us on this evil.
Every cop show, every major drama, and then in the real world, all the big editorials, it's the same M.O., the same talking points, we now have mainstream news, reports that Homeland Security's even paying off an advising threat matrix 24, these shows where they now torture people's children almost every episode to make them talk.
Now torturing children is good, so I guess Joseph Mingala wasn't bad, but here's Rush Limbaugh as the change agent
Telling his audience that it's just blowing off steam, the torture is no big deal.
Here is that clip.
What's psychologically wrong with that?
It's not the act so much, it was like a college fraternity prank to stack up naked... Exactly!
Exactly my point!
This is no different to what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time.
These people are being fired at every day.
I'm talking about people having a good time.
These people... You ever heard of emotional release?
You ever heard of you to blow some steam off?
So, there's the clip, and others have called for outright torturing him.
I've heard it on talk radio saying it's good, but Alan Dershowitz is off calling it a great American value.
Truly, we see the attempt to mass warp the psyche...
And then people accept that torture isn't torture.
And then we hear reports of a guy chained down in a hospital bed.
He won't give a urine sample on demand, so they taser him.
And the police just go, this is our new policy.
It isn't torture.
It's just pressure.
Well, I'm very glad you played the quote from Russ Limbaugh.
I think basically what it shows is ignorance, first of all.
What he describes as fraternity hazing, that's just not the case.
This stuff went on for days and days.
It was highly organized.
It began with beatings, extensive beatings.
People were beaten into unconsciousness in a fairly systematic way.
People were injured in such a way they had to go to the hospital.
They were bitten very severely on their legs by dogs.
One man's ear was nearly torn off.
Now, people were beaten to death, then they'd pack ice on them, put a fake IV on them, and take them out the front door.
That's right.
At this point, the Army has officially admitted, the American military, I should say, has officially admitted that 27 detainees have died under interrogation, and these are the detainees that are considered homicides.
The total number of deaths in detainment situations now is over 70.
Now, let's be clear.
That's what they admit.
There's 32 camps in Iraq, a dozen in Afghanistan, two camps at Guantanamo Bay, and camps in at least five other third-party countries.
Did you see the Washington Post article in late 2001 where they have the CIA section chief over the Middle East as quoted as saying, we take them to Egypt and Jordan where we can torture them and pressure their families in front of them?
Yeah, I did see that.
I think that was 2002, but yes, I did see it.
Okay, early 2002.
I've got it in the film, but...
Yeah, well, you know, a lot of this stuff is on the record, which is one of the points of my book, Torture and Truth.
But it's not torture if we don't kill them on purpose.
Yes, that's right, if they're killed accidentally.
So if I go up and beat somebody with a baseball bat and didn't mean to kill them, I can just say I was blowing off steam to the cops?
Well, under their definition of torture, if your main point is not to cause extensive pain, then in fact it's not torture.
That's under their definition.
But I think the important thing to underline about what Mr. Limbaugh said is that it's simply not true.
It's factually wrong.
It's not a question of how he's interpreting things.
He's got it wrong what actually happened.
And we know what actually happened.
The documents have come out.
You can read them.
They're there in black and white.
Yeah, well, he does, and there is a certain technique here, which is simply to tell people...
A story that seems to fit together itself and to count on the fact that they're not going to check it, and you essentially tell them what they want to hear.
Well, I'm blown away by these people because, Professor, all I do is read government documents and what is admitted, and I'm telling you, the liberals, the conservatives, they're all up there together basically for all this stuff, and they're all a bunch of liars.
Well, I think it's true that there is a lot of lying going on on these things.
I think it's also true that a lot of this stuff is coming out, that the documentary evidence is coming out, and that increasingly the truth is getting into the public sphere.
There's no question.
So I wouldn't lose hope on this.
It's just that it's taking a long time to get out.
And to change people's opinion.
But I think it will happen.
I think we're heading in that direction.
Clearly, Professor, there is an agenda.
Homeland Security had Ridge, and now Chertoff have met with the media.
We're good to go.
Yes, well, I think that's true.
I don't know, but I'll take your word for it, the degree of administration involvement and consulting on these scripts.
It's also true, you know, that when people feel anxiety about their safety, when people are bewildered about why the country's been attacked and so on, you get the mass media, and in particular the commercial media, television,
Responding by trying to satisfy those kinds of anxieties.
And I think you see that when you see some of these commercial programs that show torture.
That is, in the way of Dirty Harry, the Clint Eastwood movie, trying to take a public that's worried about crime
But what people don't understand is, is that cops now, since they've been doing this the last three years, suddenly instances of torture by the police against innocent people is way up.
There aren't real Alciatas, folks, running around that are going to get us.
Terrorism is actually at lows.
Child kidnapping is at lows.
Crime is at lows right now.
All-time lows.
It is this perception, and torture isn't going to keep you safe.
Listen, I want to go to calls, but I've just got one other comment, and then I want you to comment on it, Professor.
We're talking to Mark Danner, author of this new book, Torture and Truth.
The types of sexual perversion at Abu Ghraib and Camp X-Ray, admittedly associated with this, the types of things they're doing, I've only seen this with serial killers.
So even if sickos out there go, we've got to torture them to get answers, why is it all sexually perverted?
Well, I think that there's a perception that one of the areas of sensitivity when it comes to Middle Eastern, particularly Arab culture, is shame about sexual matters, and in particular shame about nudity.
And you can see pervasively, if you look at what's happened to individual people, not only in Abu Ghraib, but there are instances where Arab journalists... Yeah, but these guards are raping women in front of the men because they like it.
Well, I don't dispute that some of them may like it.
It's a tough job, but I've got to do it.
I'm trying to answer your question, which is that it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is systemic, and it's trying to point to particular sensitivities, cultural sensitivities, on the part of Arab men.
The fact that it's very unusual and indeed forbidden for men to see one another naked in Arab culture, things having to do with bathroom stuff and so on is done very secretively.
There's no...
It's very private, and you can tell in the way these procedures, these torture procedures operate, that there's been a clear study of the sensitivities of Arab culture.
No, I agree with you, but then the Feds also go, and they hire former prison guards with bad records who enjoy doing this.
Yes, there's no question that some of these people clearly were enjoying themselves.
You can see it.
Beating people to death and raping people.
Folks, come on.
Let's take some calls.
Don in Missouri.
Don, you're on the air.
Yeah, I agree.
Thanks for holding.
I think it's all one cloth.
Listen, I wanted to touch upon the Schiavo case again.
You know, I haven't been able to listen last week or so, so I don't know if you've explored this already, but this behavior of Michael Schiavo is just so bizarre, and all these powerful people covering up for him.
The only explanation I can come up for is that since Florida is crawling with CIA agents, that maybe he's an agent.
And Terry was his slave and now the government is caught in this public relations nightmare and they're scrambling to try to
We're willing to kill her in public just to cover this up.
Well, I mean, I can see people trying to give reason to this thing, but it's turned into a media circus.
You've got the pro-death people, the anti-death people lined up over all this.
Thanks for the call, Don.
But, Professor, I mean, we do see the hardening of the psyche in the society.
It was Governor Bush who passed a law where if somebody's on government health care, they go ahead and take their feeding tube out.
But it's funny, none of these so-called conservative groups want to talk about that
Yeah, it's true.
Certainly it's been in the press, that law that then-Governor Bush passed.
I just killed a little baby two days ago, by the way, but go ahead.
Yes, I saw that in the news.
And there's clearly a very high degree of contradiction here between what people say and the political positions they take, particularly in the Shivo case, and what they've actually done.
In their political history and in their own lives, for that matter, when it comes to Tom DeLay, for example.
So we see those contradictions very dramatically, and it shows that this case, a lot of politicians are looking at it simply as a lucrative political target.
You know, this is going to help me firm up my position with the evangelical right.
And the left likes it, too.
Mike in Washington, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
Yeah, speaking of contradictions, you know, we got this...
I saw that clip of that slimeball Jack Wheeler from the Freedom Foundation saying how we should freeze everyone's lungs, and then when they're about ready to die, then we'll make them breathe again.
You know, that's basically high-tech tabling.
I've actually got that clip in Police State's Retotal Enslavement where they're on national TV saying how good torture is.
And it's just trying to... It's just justifying everything.
But another reason I want to talk to you, Alex, is that I'm sure you're familiar with the 1997 act where Queen Elizabeth...
Where she enhanced the Social Security?
I'm not reading you.
I'm not understanding.
Well, there was a... It was a... Oh, what's it called?
I really don't know, sir.
Queen Elizabeth Social Security.
Well, in 1997, they did a... There was a... In England...
Queen Elizabeth controls and amended the U.S.
Social Security under 1997, number 1778.
I wasn't aware of that.
You'll have to send me some information on that now.
Oh, yeah.
Queen Elizabeth amended our Social Security back in 1997.
Well, you'll have to send me some information on that, Mike.
And it's all over the web.
And it pretty much just points it out that we're basically...
Run by England.
I hear you.
Thanks for the call.
Let's talk to Eric in Oklahoma.
Eric, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
Hey, Alex.
How are you doing, man?
Doing a talk show.
What's on your mind?
I listen to Mark a lot.
Mark Geller.
He's one of the few intellectually honest people that I've heard on the media.
I look at everything through the eyes of dialectical materialism.
Everything is the dialectic these days.
There's the pro, the con, the right, the left.
Lately, it seems like instead of just left and right, it's like a pinwheel.
People take a position and then it's being spun.
So it's no longer about the right or left.
It's really about right and wrong.
And they're trying to blur the distinction between right and wrong.
Well, that's what Change Agents do.
That's what MKUltra was about, was how to change the views of Americans.
That's right, and that's why we're in trouble.
Well, stay there, Eric.
We'll come back and let the professor...
Comment on your statement and let you finish up as well.
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Rumsfeld gets up on TV and says, I never said there were weapons of mass destruction.
It's a conspiracy theory and urban legend.
And now they say they never called for torture.
It isn't torture if we beat and brutalize and drown somebody until they die.
We didn't mean to kill them.
I mean, I guess serial killers should try that when they get called a bunch of dead bodies.
Well, I didn't mean to kill them.
Oh, well, then go free then.
Well, these are terrorists.
They don't have the same rights.
Come on, folks.
They're not even terrorists.
This is all by design.
Professor, comments to what Eric in Oklahoma was just saying about just both political parties and this whole system?
Well, first of all, I was grateful to Eric for his kind comments about my work.
I appreciate that.
You know, his comments were, I thought, very provocative, but also very broad.
I think he's right that
You know, things that we had taken for granted for many years about the left and the right have gotten twisted and very confusing.
On the one hand, the political spectrum has moved far to the right when you look at what's going on in Washington, and we're seeing things that would have been really unheard of years ago.
I mean, one of the reasons I wrote this book, Torture and Truth, was because I...
We're seeing Americans undertake acts of torture that I used to cover in Latin America 20 years ago, 25 years ago.
You say move to the right.
I mean, record budgets, $2.6 trillion, open borders.
Yeah, very good point, which I was going to get to, which is that at the same time as you have a defiantly right-wing agenda...
You also have, particularly on the financial fiscal side, the spending side, the fact that the government came into, this administration came into office, supposedly a very conservative administration, with a budget surplus over $200 billion and has changed that into a budget deficit of nearly $500 billion.
It's been the largest shift in the fiscal status of the government in the history of the United States.
By the way, most of that extra expenditure is not even military.
It's all the classic big government control, social welfare garbage.
Let's take another call.
Let's talk to Barney in Maryland.
Barney, you're on the air with our CFR member.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Barney.
Barney, come to your telephone.
You with me?
Yes, sir.
This might seem radical, but once you've been to war, it fits.
I believe that in Iraq, same as the wars in Korea and Vietnam, the purpose is to take us down to a fourth world country.
That there is a planned economic crisis.
That millions of American people will be killed.
No, you're right.
The globalists use America as the imperial model to grab and consolidate more countries under IMF, World Bank control, then Europe comes in like the good cop.
But the professor, I think, disagrees with that.
Well, I believe that in the end, the patriots and the nationalists and the captive nations around the world, the United States, are going to win by eliminating all the one-worlders.
Professor, final comments?
Well, I'm not... I don't know about reducing America to fourth world status.
I think as a master plan, I don't think what the Bush administration has done seems to fit in, at least in my view, with that.
Well, they're driving down the dollar.
They're de-industrializing us.
All of this looks like looting, Professor.
Well, they are driving down the dollar.
That's quite true, which is one of the ways, of course, to deal with the enormous debt.
Hidden inflation, yeah.
The Reagan administration did it as well, but I think that's a far cry from talking about a fourth world country.
There's a major shift of income.
All right.
Professor, I want to get you back on sometime.
I appreciate you joining us.
My pleasure.
Take care.
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Alki in Hawaii!
How you doing?
I think I'm doing pretty good.
I think you're right on the mark about
I'm trying to change the mindset because I was watching TV last night and basically I saw a show about cops and all they really talked about was torture, but that's what I wanted to say about you.
And how it was good and how it saved good people?
Furthermore, I think this is all just part of their plan to reduce the world population, right?
Yes, sir.
Because they give us these fake flu shots.
I went to the World Health Organization website
And they actually have their test on their website of their approved flu vaccinations, and it's just like mercury.
That's all there is.
They actually increase the level of mercury, and the flu shot they give you never covers whatever the real flu is that year.
I looked at the flu shot I took when I was six years old, and they put mercury into my damn arm.
This makes me mad when I think about it.
And they put hundreds of times the safe level, and Nobel Prize winners, top epidemiologists have said people who've had a bunch of these flu shots are a thousand times more likely to get neurological disorders and Alzheimer's.
I think they're trying to just kill as much people as they can.
But what it is, fluoride, sodium fluoride, mercury, all of it, is an IQ reducer.
We have their own documents.
The first people to use fluoride, and this is mainstream, famous history books, the Nazis put high levels of fluoride in the water at the camps to sedate the prisoners.
It's a toxic, sedative...
And this is what they're doing.
I mean, you think vaccines are bad, buddy.
The fluoride's even worse, and it's almost impossible.
There's a thing in Hawaii where there's no fluoridation.
I don't know.
There's no fluoridation in Hawaii.
I got out of high school at age 16, and I'm in college right now, college calculus.
Well, good job.
I don't know what to do.
How long have you been on board the broadcast, Alkide?
I started listening to you guys when I was like 15, I think.
I'm 17 right now.
I got out of the... Well, are you waking up the young folks around you?
A lot of them are already woken up because there's no fluoridation here.
They can already tell something's going wrong.
Well, San Antonio is a very patriotic anti-New World Order city.
They just became fluoridated two years ago and they're already fighting to remove it.
And folks, I know Stanley Kubrick says you're a kook if you believe it's bad.
We have thousands of medical reports.
It is...
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
About fluoride.
We're going to talk about aspartame, which is just as bad.
We're going to be talking about all of this.
And I'm going to do more... All the stuff I covered five, six, seven years ago, I'm bringing it all back.
Because, you know, I covered this stuff for years on end.
I've got to give it a break for a while.
I've been mainly on secret police, camps, torture.
World government, but we need to talk about... Folks, it's not a joke, okay?
The Nazis invented fluoridation of water.
It's in mainstream, you know, five-inch-thick history books.
It is admitted.
So enjoy your fluoride.
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Wide open phones coming up.
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Don in Pennsylvania.
Hi, Alex.
Welcome, Don.
Am I coming through clear?
Roger that.
Okay, great.
I just have a real quick technical question, then I will get out of your way and just listen.
Okay, I'm sure you know what the Hegelian dialectic is, where there's the propaganda strategy, where they... You know what the Hegelian dialectic is.
Create a crisis...
Demonstrate the fear, say something must be done, and the very people that created the crisis or accentuated it, then bring you the solution.
Okay, then you know what I mean by propaganda strategy.
What I need to know is, what is a strategy called when they present, say, a nugget of truth wrapped around with a lie, and then when you counter the lie, they sidestep the answer, and they go back to what?
Don't you believe in, and then they...
Do you know what... Okay, um...
There's different names of strategies, like where they say, for example, that we need to keep our kids safe, and that's true,
And then they say, to do that, we've got to give them vaccine shots, which is not true.
And then we have to show that vaccines do not keep them safe, even if they're clean, healthy vaccines.
Then we show the strategy and the documents of the elite to put different toxins and things that sterilize and other things in the vaccines.
Well, what I mean is whenever they present... But even if you give somebody a term, they're not going to know what the term means.
You're going to have to explain that to them.
Okay, well, I was looking for the term.
That's okay.
I'll just explain it the way I do in this.
I love your show.
You're doing a great job again, and have a good one, Alex.
Well, I appreciate you.
Look, America was founded on mistrust of government.
The Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers, the two sides, agreed that don't trust government, keep control of it, keep it very small.
Folks in this nation were very distrustful of government.
I mean, you'd get tarred and feathered if you started trying to push government's good on people.
They had common sense.
They had history.
But then they gave us the fake left-right paradigm about a hundred years ago.
No longer was it freedom versus slavery.
Does this government give me more freedom and more liberty?
Does it leave me alone, or does it try to control me?
That was the political debate, not Republican-Democrat.
Then it shifted to left-right, when the left and right are both for the very same things, just different implementation and different rhetoric.
That confused people.
Then we had World War II.
The government propaganda got sophisticated after the war.
People became very trustful.
So many goods and services were produced.
We had such incredible prosperity that we got lulled into a false sense of security.
And now, some people think you're a kook if you don't trust the government.
Or most people know the government's out of control, but still they say, oh, that's just the way it is.
There's kind of a fatalistic view of it.
So I think that's kind of what you're getting at.
But people look at politics two-dimensionally.
They just hear a politician say something and think, okay, well, we don't have any money for the roads.
We better put toll roads in.
They don't go get, say, Texas Department of Transportation's own documents that have been released that say, we've got plenty of money, we've got giant slush funds, we've been paid off by select corporations to give them the roads to tax the daylights out of the people and keep the money themselves.
Privatization, see, people hear the word privatization and think, well, I'm for privatization, but is it really privatization?
No, it's not privatization to take an existing public works and give it for pennies on the dollar to a private corporation that's paid off the government who's then going to become government itself in its actions but with a corporate membrane protecting it with basically no liability.
You know, I mean, here's the analogy of privatization.
You've paid for 50 years for a big city golf course.
And the owner of a golf course company pays for the campaign of everybody they run for city council and the new mayor.
They get elected, and there's been real cases of this, and the city, literally for no money, just signs over the golf course and the profits and says, oh, they'll do a better job of managing this private corporation.
The fees are going to go down now at the city golf course.
But then you forget two years after that happens, and they double the prices, and then they take a city property you paid for, and they call that privatization.
That's what the Russian oligarchs did.
Six guys, and it's now come out in the BBC and London Independent, but those six guys were all agents of Lord Rothschild.
That's mainstream news.
Lord Rothschild, the same guy who's over Buffett and Schwarzenegger.
They had an article two years before he ran for governor.
Excuse me, a year before he ran for governor, where it said he's going to be your governor and your president.
He's meeting with Lord Rothschild in the Scotsman.
But the point is, they were all front men.
They didn't really own it.
And so, quote, Russia collapses, and then six guys are given by Yeltsin all the industry, the gold mines, the uranium mines, the oil, the timber, the roads...
Six guys, just here.
It's yours.
Literally, one guy paid for all of the nickel and gold and uranium mines.
He got basically 90% of the mining in Russia.
He got it for... Oh, I forgot the PBS documentary.
It was like $100 million.
I think it was less than that.
A few years ago, I researched this.
And just one of the mines was worth billions.
And of course, Lord Rothschild can't openly own all this himself.
People get angry.
So he has six front men in Russia that own everything.
Now, how is that privatization?
That is not.
That is replacing some communist thugs that basically control all those resources and put it in their own accounts and in their own villas and their own resources.
That basically just take it from them and give it to six new guys.
Who are fronts.
But the average person hears the word privatization.
Well, yes, I'm for privatization.
But is it privatization?
It is organized crime consolidation.
And that's what global government's about.
These corporations are bigger than governments.
They are going to give themselves governmental power through a world government they set up to then order around all of our countries.
Let's go back to the calls.
Let's talk to...
Jordan in Illinois.
Go ahead, Jordan.
Hey, Alex.
I just wanted to finish my point from yesterday.
I know you had so much stuff that you had to get through it all.
But I was telling you there were two things about the Terry Schiavo case that were bothering me.
One of your callers earlier today was saying how there has to be something that's going on.
He was saying the guy might be CIA.
Well, I've...
Been hearing a lot from people who actually live in Clearwater.
Well, listen, and I'll let you comment.
Listen, the government wants to set the precedent to kill people and not pay for them.
Not because they don't have money, but because they want it all to go to themselves.
So there's your conspiracy, is that the death-loving culture is pushing this.
But go ahead.
Well, I just wanted to say that it seems to everybody who lives there, and from what I've read, this all has ties to Scientology.
It's like a cult thing where the Clearwater Bar Association is all involved in it.
It's just the police and Bush who gives money to them, and yadda yadda.
I just wanted to add that into the fray.
I've read the reports, and the evidence is extremely tenuous.
And again, folks, I'm not a Scientologist.
I don't know any Scientologists.
I don't read L. Ron Hubbard.
I didn't mean to say anything like that.
No, no, no, I know, but I mean, I get those emails.
Understand, folks, that I'm not just going to run out and say some group is behind something
Just because... I mean, what we do know is his lawyer is a pro-death guy.
And they admit that they're using this as a poster child, so there's your conspiracy right there.
Yeah, thank God, Alex.
I mean, have you read the stuff his lawyer's written about the death of one of his family members?
I mean, this guy's a sicko.
I mean, there it is right there.
Thanks for the call.
I mean, I've read that stuff, and it's like, yeah, Clearwater's nearby, and there's a Scientologist in the area, and...
And L. Ron Hubbard said we've got a quarantine 2.0s and under, which I don't like the sound of.
That sounds pretty eugenics style.
So I'll say I don't agree with L. Ron Hubbard on that.
But, I mean, does that mean they're involved?
I mean, there's not any real evidence.
And now all those people will attack me?
I mean, people are saying that the Schindlers are involved in all this.
I don't think there's evidence of that.
Now I'm involved, see?
Okay, fine.
I work for the Easter Bunny, too.
Let's talk to Tim in Ohio.
Tim, go ahead.
Alex, thanks for all your hard work.
You are like a breath of fresh air in a broccoli farm.
I don't know what that means, but okay.
I'll just leave it at that.
As evil and tragic as the events are, I have a quick comment and a question for you.
As evil and tragic as the events are, I noticed something the other night that gave me just a glimmer of hope.
On George Scarborough with his itty-bitty eyes, and he had Pat Buchanan on.
And I'm telling you, Alex, you could have been on that show and all been in the same boat with two of these guys, and I just thought, man, there's a glimmer of hope there if we can get those three guys in the same boat.
And I'm not trying to put any of their thinking onto you.
Well, what was Scarborough talking about?
About Shivo.
Well, see, the globalists pick issues that we agree with to bind us to them.
But remember, rat poison is 98% nutritious food.
So do you think that when Terry dies, they'll have the agent provocateurs to come in and start riots so they can ratchet down some police state too and show that, see, we told you, we own you, we control you, we're the gods?
That might happen.
Great point.
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They socialize the wealth to get control of society to domesticate us.
They then transfer those huge institutions into the hands of private corporations that have paid off and control the government.
Then they don't want to give you any more of the, quote, largesse or social safety net, so then they start cutting all of that off.
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That's how the scam works.
Greg in Florida, then Rodney and Leslie and Mike and others.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Greg in Florida.
Hello, Alex?
Hi, how are you?
I have a couple issues.
First of all, I just purchased a new vehicle, and the owner of the dealership told me that they had to check my name against...
A terror watch list.
Yeah, the Patriot Act, yeah.
Yeah, but to buy a new automobile.
So, you know... Sir, do you have a search engine?
Oh, yes.
Type in Patriot Act compliance, hundreds of thousands of hits.
We're good to go.
There's thousands of things, then they go to prison for 50 years.
Oh yeah, I think, I can't remember exactly what the penalty was.
It's 50 years, a million dollar fine, 10 years, $500,000, I'm sorry, go ahead.
I think it was like a million dollar fine for not, or for if he sold a vehicle and
And my name was on that watch list.
Yeah, sir, I'm telling you what it is.
There's a million bucks and 50 years in prison.
There's $500,000 and five years in prison.
There's about, I don't know, it was like seven different penalties, different calculations.
But we're talking about hard prison time.
If you sell anything to anybody, including cashing a check for anyone on a watch list, it's just like the flying list.
There's all these innocent people on it.
Sound like freedom to you?
Not really.
But they ordered the states to issue ID cards to anyone with any fake ID.
That's true.
The next issue was over on Easter, we watched The Passion of the Christ.
And there's amazing similarities between that movie and what's going on with Terri Schiavo.
Oh yeah, they're torturing her to death.
And when you watch the movie and you see where he was carrying the cross and that woman came up to give him water...
And the authorities came and kicked the water glass out of her hand.
I mean, it's just so amazing how... I mean, I think there's an intent there, definitely.
The parallels are very scary.
Very poignant.
Thanks for the call.
Thank you.
Rodney in Texas, welcome.
Hello, Alex.
Good, sir.
How are you?
Today I'm looking at a story out of the Baltimore Sun's news section, and this shows you the hypocrisy of our courts here.
It talks about the Supreme Court's waivers.
And whether or not to decide whether these Mexican nationals on death row in the states of Texas, California, and Illinois.
And they're saying they're going to rule according to international law.
That's the thing.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
Why didn't you read the article today?
But are they saying that?
Because they've said they're going to rule according to the EU.
It says either the international court, better known as the world court.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
We've got an American here, Harry Schiavo.
I think so.
And yet, these Mexican nationals who are on death row... Sir, this is the most socialistic court ever.
Seven of the nine appointed by Republicans.
The Republicans have a huge majority in the House and Senate.
They have the executive, 30-plus state governors.
And do you see government getting smaller?
Do you see freedom?
You see gun laws being passed.
You see open borders.
You see total world government.
Yeah, they take their marching orders.
I mean, you can see in the article they're taking their marching orders from the world court.
And I guess I'm wondering now...
Do we know anything about the people who sit on the world court?
You have no rights.
You can be arrested for criticizing government.
Euthanasia is enforced by the European and international courts.
It's horrible.
It's sad.
It's sad.
And I looked at that and I said, oh my God, this is...
This is the reason why we're not getting the response from the court.
But the average yuppie driving along in their car right now doesn't believe there's a world government, even as it's in all the big Canadian papers.
That's all I want to touch base with you and Alex.
Keep up the good work, friend.
Always good to hear from you.
Thank you, Rodney.
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Hi, thanks, Alex.
When you were interviewing the professor, he mentioned that when the Council of Foreign Relations was set up,
We came during the era of Woodrow Wilson.
Yeah, because they failed with the League of Nations.
But the founder of that is none other than Colonel Edward Vandal House.
And you know who that guy is.
He's the guy who set up the Federal Reserve.
Yeah, he wrote a book about how they're global government and how they run everything and how they want a dictatorship.
And he's from right here in Austin, Texas.
That's the founder.
And what I find interesting is
Yeah, this allows them and people in key positions of every...
...strata of the economic grid to have a unified concerted effort.
Most of them are on the same page.
What I want to ask, and you're quite aware of the watch list, did he get his book approved, Torture and Truth?
I mean, you know what happens to these demonstrators, and he's writing this book, Torture and Truth?
I hear you, and I appreciate the call, Leslie.
Mike in Arizona.
Mike, go ahead.
Yes, good afternoon, Alex.
Yes, a little bit about this Terry Schiavo thing.
It's kind of an offset.
A couple hours or so ago, you had one of your callers, they were saying there was people down there protesting and had Nazi flags and things.
My kind of question is, you know, I understand that bad things happen in war.
But, you know, every time we meet a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.
Well, that's true, but in this case it fits.
Hitler was big on eugenics.
Well, I understand that, but, you know, when you want to talk about some real evil people, and not necessarily... Well, the shoe fits.
Wear it.
I mean, Hitler was a pioneer of this exact type of stuff.
Exactly, but we can take a look at under Stalin, you had Lazar Paganov.
They did the exact same stuff.
Exactly, and...
Khrushchev said that he was the butcher of Ukraine, and he was responsible for killing 20 million Christians, and he starved them to death.
And I just, you know, I'm kind of confused, and I say, you know, that there are definitely... Oh, we exposed Stalin?
You know, I'm not saying necessarily you, but just, you know, in the whole bigger scheme of things, it's always, you know, whenever there's a boogeyman, it's always Hitler, but nobody ever talks about Stalin and Mao, who made Hitler look like an altar boy.
I hear you.
I appreciate the call, Mike.
John in Ohio, you're on the air.
Go ahead, John.
Well, yeah, you got me off on another track.
I agree with you totally on this culture of death.
But we certainly do hear a lot about Stalin.
And I would consider that the propaganda of the Cold War, as bad as Stalin was, we have to realize there was a powerful vested interest in the Cold War and the military-industrial complex.
And exaggerating even a beast like Stalin.
So I think this... Okay, but you said you had something else on your mind?
Yeah, I was watching CNN last weekend, and they wanted to give prominent coverage to what looked like Larry Klayman and his statement of trying to bind, as you put it, the pro-life people, and I'm on the left and I agree with you on this, to support for the war, the slaughter in Iraq,
...saying that Jeb Bush should ignore the courts just as the wonderful George Bush ignored the United Nations, which only gave 90% cover for his dirty war, and should have behaved like George Bush did... Well, forgive the United Nations.
Our federal laws say you can't torture people.
Well, exactly.
But what I'm saying is it shows the agenda of the CNN, the media...
And singling out this comment by Larry Klayman at the demonstrations down there in Pinellas, Florida.
And they're supposedly liberal.
What do you specifically think about Terry Schindler?
Well, I think that, as you say, this is just an attempt to justify enhancing the profits of the HMOs, the insurance companies, the Wall Street banks that hold the debt, those who want to give this huge tax giveaway to the ultra-rich,
As a way of then taking that money and resources and redirecting all of the social funds from Medicare, from Medicaid, everything else that George Bush cut off when he was governor.
Okay, and Bush signed a law to just kill you.
People with feeding tubes begging for food, they kill them here in Texas.
But we're not supposed to talk about that.
Thanks for the call.
And again, folks, it just shows how it's all controlled by the same people.
Who's up next?
Wanda in Missouri, then Laura.
Wanda, go ahead.
Well, I have a recommendation, a little Bible verse, and a thought.
My recommendation first is that Alex, yesterday, the 28th of March, your explanation of the plans, purposes, and practices of the global elite, who in reality run and control our government, was so lucid and profound, like a revelation to you by God.
I highly recommend today's listeners to call
And order your month of March CD for your March 28th program.
I don't sell those.
Well, thank you.
The network does.
But for those that have computers and most of them are CD players, you get a whole month.
I mean, hundreds of hours.
I don't know.
It's 15 hours a week.
So four times 15.
How much is it?
It's, what, 60 hours.
It's not 100 hours.
$19.95 or something?
I was really impressed with that yesterday.
Well, thank you.
What section were you talking about?
Well, I was talking about when you were explaining about the global elite and what their plans, purposes, and practices were.
Talking about peak oil in the third hour?
Oh, yes.
And all of the things that they're involved in and why they're involved and how much and whatever.
I thought it was really excellent.
Well, thank you.
And the little scripture that I have is Isaiah 1, verse 7.
Your country is desolate.
Your cities are burned with fire.
Your land, strangers devour it.
And your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
And to me, this describes this elite that is tilting and everything and changing our laws and whatever.
Well, you're right.
They're pilfering, looting.
I mean, it's almost like they know something big is coming because I've never seen them going this wild.
And my thought is to initiate more prayer and protest regarding Terri Shiloh.
I agree.
More people need to know that when Terri went to the hospital with her heart attack, she also had broken bones and bruises.
Yeah, and now, he didn't want to have an autopsy, Michael Schiavo, but now because of pressure, he's saying he will.
Well, folks, you can't trust these autopsies to begin with.
I mean, we've got classical cases of this.
If it's that same county doing it, I won't believe the autopsy.
Plus, bones will heal over ten years.
Good to hear from you.
Great points.
Laura in North Carolina.
Laura, go ahead.
Hi, Alex.
How are you doing?
I want to mention something about Terri Schiavo.
As far as what it looks like to me, the globalists have an agenda here.
They want martial law, and they're marching Terri out before the people to try to get them schooled up to get on their agenda.
We're not reacting fast enough.
We're not emotional enough.
You think they're trying to emotionally charge things?
Oh, yeah, they're using her for that.
They're parading her around, going, see what we're doing to her?
Be what we're doing to her and it's getting worse and worse.
You made a statement not too long ago.
Don't uprise and take to the streets.
Don't do it that way.
There's other ways to do what we need to do.
That's what people need to remember right now.
Don't be caught up in the emotionalism of this.
Yes, Harry is suffering.
We understand that, but God puts each and every one of us here for a reason, just like he does you.
He gave you the ability to speak to people.
She may have to go through this in order to do what God wants her to do.
Well, I mean, for every place and time, there's a different response.
And what I'm saying is that they want violence.
The government has to blow up its own buildings to blame it on pro-lifers and people.
We've caught them doing it before.
We're not reacting fast enough.
And they've got their snipers up there, and they'd love to kill a bunch of people, and they're still going to kill Terry.
I mean, I think of a group of peaceful people went in there, and I think what they're trying to do peacefully to stop it is good, but I have said that they do want to have some type of violent outburst.
But that's exactly what they're doing.
They're making it worse.
I mean, every day it's a little bit more shocking what they're doing, and it's shock value.
Well, she's now into day 11.
It's been 11 days since they removed her water.
I'm surprised she's hung on.
I figured she'd go over the weekend for sure.
And she's hanging on.
I mean, even she wants to live.
And God's keeping her alive.
It has to be that.
Well, I know this.
It's going to blow up in their face.
That they've done this.
People need not get caught up in the emotionalism of this.
Look at it for what it is.
We can deal with our situation without taking to the streets and losing control.
Michael Chavo was nothing more than an O.J.
I appreciate your call.
Let me just say this.
You look at national polls.
They've had three decades, what, 32 years of abortion.
50 million in this country.
And despite all their propaganda and all the things they do, record levels of young people, it's like almost 70% now are against it, record numbers of women, about 60%, about 65% of men, just 10 years ago the numbers were the opposite.
Abortions are now going way down.
They should be outlawed.
But the point is, despite all their propaganda, people are waking up.
Our grassroots education is working.
And the way it's trending in another ten years, there will almost be no abortions in this country, and then we'll be able to outright outlaw it.
And have people give children up for adoption and things like that.
So, it's not going to work for them.
They're not going to get away with their social engineering.
It's not going to happen.
Let's go to Mike in Illinois.
Mike, go ahead.
North Carolina.
North Carolina.
I apologize.
Go ahead.
Alex, I believe that a torture was ordered and probably planned before the war, and I believe it's... Well, that's admitted, sir.
That's in the government's own documents.
I believe it was... They're creating a certain worldview of the United States.
Oh, no, that's admittedly part of the plan.
We play the part of the bad cop, yes.
Well, it's obvious.
Thank you very much.
What do you think about Terry?
Man, I can't say enough about that subject.
You know, I guess I should be down there myself.
I feel guilty for everything I eat and every drop of water that goes into my mouth.
You know, I was just drinking some water, and every time I drink water, I think about Terry now.
It's on my mind every day and all night.
Alex hasn't slept since it started.
Thank you, my friend.
Thank you.
And that's because this individual, Terry, brings it to mind, because we think of things and operate on an individual basis.
But I want to remind you, this eugenics is going on all over the country with people who are talking, begging for food.
May I please have water?
May I please have food?
And Bush, the Democrats, they're all behind it.
Schwarzenegger loves it.
And so remember that when you're cheering Schwarzenegger on for president, when you're worshipping him at the RNC, as I witnessed.
Let's be congruent here.
What's the term?
Let's be consistent.
Let's fight for all the others they're killing.
Let's fight against abortion.
Want to save some lives?
Let's save lives, not just Terry's, but the lives that nobody wants to talk about.
The stuff that goes on under the radar.
Let's get beneath the radar, outside the box, and see the big picture.
Let's discuss that.
I did a pretty good job this hour.
I think I took about 15 calls.
We'll try to maybe take some more coming up.
I mean, I used to.
I take 15 calls in a show.
I'm getting better at going to your calls, and we're going to continue doing this.
I don't know.
I get zero direction for this broadcast from the folks running the network, which is why I'm on this network, which is always good.
But I do enjoy taking your calls, and that's always the high point of my day.
We'll come back.
Depressed Annan, close to quitting over U.N.
We'll also talk about these earthquakes.
Record frequency and severity of earth pains.
The sun heating up.
Ejecting more radiation in the form of heat.
Looks like it's going to get rougher before it gets better.
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Yeah, balkanization, yeah.
But my question is,
When the federal government did the Disabilities Act, why did that not give them power to go in and help Terry Simon?
Well, see, they're selectively setting the precedent.
They've been creeping around in the shadows doing it for a long time of killing people who aren't in a vegetative state.
And you shouldn't kill somebody in a vegetative state to begin with.
I know.
One more question.
Is there any way we can pay by phone to use your Internet?
Because a lot of us don't use stuff over the Internet.
You're talking about prisonplanet.tv?
Correct, correct.
Is there any way we can pay that fine?
Well, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, you know, I think we could do that.
I think you could maybe call up my office, or mail a check, and then we could mail you back a passcode to prisonplanet.tv.
But, ma'am, we don't sell names.
It's totally private with a secure, certified... Well, I'm not worried about that.
I'm worried about them getting hold of our visa numbers again, because a lot of us have been hit before.
But, ma'am, that happens from hacks.
You see, that goes over the phone lines.
I've been dying to get your site.
Ma'am, let me tell you something.
And then a lot of those employees are taking those numbers and selling them.
Most of the fraud, the mainstream media doesn't like the Internet, so they demonize the Internet.
The Internet, statistically, with cashless payments, is safer than going to a store.
Well, that's where my mom got hit was at a university bookstore.
See, I told you.
I've got the actual statistics.
It's not true.
We have a secure, certified server.
Very hard to get.
Secure, secure server.
That doesn't mean there isn't some hacker that couldn't break in there, but it's 15 times harder than somebody over a phone line at a bank.
Thanks for the call.
I really appreciate your call.
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Don't trust us.
Go buy creds with PayPal and do it.
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Depressed Annen close to quitting over U.N.
Coffee Annen, the United Nations Secretary General, is said to be struggling with depression and considering his future.
By the way, I don't like to use credit cards at stores.
I use cash.
Colleagues have reported concerns about Annen ahead of an official report this week that will examine his son Kojo's connection to the controversial issue of oil for food scheme.
And Bill Clinton's got seven of the G8, this has been in mainstream papers, lined up.
He wants to be Secretary General.
We'll probably end up with Bill Clinton as Secretary General in the next few years.
And then we've got Wolfowitz at the World Bank.
Then we're going to have, obviously, Lord Bush.
So they'll play the whole fake left-right paradigm from both ends of the spectrum.
Hundreds have died in the Indonesian quake, BBC reports.
Hundreds of people are believed to have died in Indonesia after a massive earthquake that triggered tsunami alerts around the Indian Ocean.
But it wasn't water that killed them.
It was...
If I was you, I wouldn't go vacation over there anytime soon.
And I've got the report here from the U.S.
Geological Survey and others.
In the past 24 hours, a record level, and in the last year, a record level for all recorded history.
I mean, 9.2s are mega massive.
This one was an 8.7, which is mega.
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