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Big Brother.
Mainstream media.
Government cover-ups.
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And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
Alright my friends, here we are, it's already Thursday, the 27th day of January 2005.
Almost said four.
For 27 days of the month, I'm still having to consciously remember that it's 2005.
Coming up in about six, seven minutes, we have one of the former top men at the KGB joining us.
He was a master spy handler, and I have a lot of interesting questions for this gentleman.
He'll be joining us from Moscow, so we'll see how the phone connection works, and hopefully this will all go off without a hitch.
Coming up in the next hour, we have Larry Pratt joining us to talk about, well, Alberto, I love torture, and I hate the Second Amendment, and I love open borders, Gonzalez.
Because Gonzales just doesn't want to reauthorize the assault weapons ban.
As Lord Bush does.
He wants even more gun control.
And the NRA is almost mute on the subject.
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So, that's coming up as well.
I'm sure you've heard of this already.
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And then on top of that, I have an article here where 10-year-olds arrested as terrorists for drawing stick figures of themselves stabbing a classmate.
You know, it's funny.
They can have all these video games where you rip people's guts out and rape and kill women.
Literally, those are the best-selling games.
You go around machine-gunning everyone, but you draw a picture of it, you get arrested.
But back when we were in school...
If we drew something like that, they just didn't even pay attention to it.
I never drew pictures of stabbing classmates, but I drew pictures of army tanks and troops and troops fighting.
I don't know who didn't.
We all did.
The girls did flowers and houses and dogs and cats, and that's what they drew, and we drew tanks and troops killing each other.
And my mother, years ago, opened up an old trunk and pulled out all the pictures her brother had drawn.
Many of them.
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Still to this day, my uncle.
And my uncle Forrest.
People don't even know his name is Forrest.
His nickname stuck Biff.
And there were all of the pictures of army tanks and planes and
Stuff like that, because, you know, he was a little kid right after World War II.
But I guess nowadays I'd be arrested, he'd be arrested, we'd all be arrested for drawing what kids draw.
So that's coming up as well.
Plus a lot of news on the Iraq War, a lot of news on the fake election coming up in Iraq, a bunch of different police state developments, a big broadcast lined up for you on this live Thursday edition of the Alex Jones Show.
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But I can't wait to get into Alberto Gonzalez, that all the neocons are celebrating.
Well, the rest of the people, Bush, are putting in.
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But better not talk about Gonzalez or your anti-Hispanic.
Well, no, I'm not anti-Hispanic.
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But I'm even more against Gonzalez because he was actually a brain behind this legislation and garbage.
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Victor Cherkashian, former top AGB spy chief, known as a master spy handler,
He is scheduled to be joining us.
Coming up also, Larry Pratt to talk about Alberto.
I'm going to get your guns, Gonzalez.
When he's not saying he's going to get Texas and New Mexico and Arizona and half of Colorado and Nevada and half of California, he openly says that belongs to Mexico.
And when he's not saying that he wants your guns, and when he's not saying he wants to torture people, and torture's good if we torture them up until death, it's not our fault if they die if it wasn't intentional.
I mean, this guy is an absolute pig monster.
I mean, it'd be like if we had a Ku Klux Klan leader as our Attorney General.
Well, I guess we pretty much do with Senator Robert Byrd.
You've got to love it sometimes.
If they're an establishment person, they can be as dirty as they want to be, and it doesn't matter.
As long as they lick the boots of the New World Order.
It's like Schwarzenegger.
I don't care if Kirk of all times is a Nazi.
I love him, and Maria loves him, too.
So thank you, Kirk.
You know, it's just sick.
Here, let me give you some Adolf Hitler records.
I love listening to Hitler speeches, don't you?
Oh yes, Arnold, let's give you some Simon Wiesenthal Center awards.
So it's just the same ridiculous hypocrisy.
I don't want to hear anybody criticize the Aryan Nations.
Or anybody criticize the Ku Klux Klan.
By the way, which I think are unsavory government-controlled organizations.
I don't want to hear you criticize them if you're out here lauding Alberto Gonzalez.
And let me ask the Mexican supremacist a question, too.
Because I know you're out there.
I get your hateful emails and stuff occasionally.
I want to ask you a question.
Why is George Bush... You can't get any more waspish than him...
Why is George Bush with all his Nazi connections and his daddy's Nazi connections and his daddy's Nazi connections and all of it, why are they supporting Alberto Gonzalez?
Because Wall Street wants to break up America.
Wall Street wants our guns.
Wall Street wants to sell us that torture's okay.
Wall Street owns the media and almost every show out there is promoting it.
What's that?
All right, we've got our guest.
So coming up, we're going to talk about Alberto, I love torture, Gonzalez, this horrible new Attorney General, and we've got Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America coming on to expose this creature.
So you do not want to miss this interview that is coming up in the next hour.
All right, we have our guest from Russia.
First time we've had a guest on from Russia.
We've had him on from Germany and England and Australia and Mexico.
But first time we've had a guest on from Russia.
And he's Victor Cherkashian.
And he's got a bio about 100 feet long.
And his book, Spy Handler, is the gripping insider eyewitness account of the veteran KGB officer who led the recruitment and running of the United States' most damaging and notorious Cold War spies, the CIA's Aldrich Ames and the FBI's Robert Hansen.
And he was in the KGB for 40 years, got the Lennon Award.
You name it.
So we're talking to the master spy handler.
And Victor Cherkashian, great to have you on with us.
Thanks for spending time.
Good evening, or better to say good day.
I'm really happy to be with you.
Well, it's good to have you on with us.
You can probably talk about yourself a little bit better than I can.
In a nutshell, or in a snapshot, tell us a little bit about yourself and why you wrote this book.
The reason is very simple.
I retired from the service nearly 15 years back, that is, 14 years, in 1991, from the Soviet intelligence.
And I served in the counterintelligence department for really about 30 years at the time, or 40 years, I'm sorry.
And there was the period of the Cold War and the period of confrontation of the intelligence services of the United States and the Soviet Union.
Now, you were a colonel in the KGB, and that's higher than other ranks.
I mean, that's the equivalent.
That's next to the highest level, correct?
No, no.
The colonel is a colonel.
It's not the general.
It's not the lieutenant.
It's just the colonel.
It's the rank.
Alright, well, explain to me what your... because you described yourself as a master spy handler.
I mean, what was your main job?
My job was to try to prevent the attempts on the part of the foreign intelligence agencies including the intelligence of the United States to penetrate the
Who would you say was more successful overall in infiltrating, the Soviet Union or the United States?
There have been several publications lately, including in the United States, about the activities of the intelligence agencies during the Cold War.
And in some of those publications, the credit had been awarded to
The intelligence of the United States as the winner in the Cold War.
I wouldn't say that because no one won in the Cold War.
We just, both countries won the most important thing.
We prevented the Cold War
...turning into a hot war.
That was, I think, the most important achievement on both sides.
As for the intelligence, I'm still of the opinion that the Soviet intelligence was and had been the most effective, and the Soviet intelligence was not defeated in the Cold War.
So you think the biggest achievement was mutually assured destruction and not having a thermal nuclear exchange?
It's just like that.
You would describe it as a stalemate?
That's not the point.
It's just a statement.
Sir, again, I want to talk about your book, but I want to get some of my little questions out of the way first, because as is described here in the news, you were one of the top people over recruiting spies in the United States, and I want to go over that, but I've got a few other questions for you, and obviously you're there in Russia under him today, but Vladimir Putin has been...
I think it's impossible.
Though I'm a strong supporter of the Soviet Union, I still believe in the
The potentials of the Soviet Union, of the Soviet Union structure and the economy of the Soviet Union.
But I understand that there is no way back in the development of mankind and you won't be able to change anything.
We have to move ahead.
As for the changes that you are observing in Russia these days,
I think it's only natural that the government and the president are trying to find the best solutions to the problems arising in the new Russia.
And we're supporting, we're trying to support the president in that.
Your current president, Vladimir Putin, obviously was KGB, then FSB, but he was a chief over...
Do you know Vladimir Putin?
Vladimir Putin, can you tell us about his days at the KGB?
I never had any information.
I never met him.
The only thing I know is that they say he was a KGB man.
And that doesn't compromise anyone nowadays.
I think it's only natural that the KGB people were the most dedicated, the most educated and
They were professionals, and they were patrons of their country.
Why shouldn't they be deprived of their rights?
Well, look at George Herbert Walker Bush.
I mean, he was a CIA director.
Ah, yes.
And he wasn't the worst president of the United States, by the way.
He was one of the good presidents, isn't he?
You like George Herbert Walker Bush.
Why not?
What do you think of his New World Order?
You know, it's a complicated question.
I think the United States might get into additional trouble with that.
You think the United States is going to have some problems with the New World Order?
Might, quite easily.
Yeah, I think already having some problems with it.
Well, again, we're talking to the author of Spy Handler, Memoir of a KGB Officer, The True Story of the Man Who Recruited Robert Hansen and Aldrich Ames.
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Well, quite an endorsement for George Herbert Walker Bush by Victor Cherkashian.
Spy master, spy handler.
Handled Robert Hanson, Aldrich Ames, you name it.
And the book is Spy Handler, and you can check on that coming out in stores.
Now, continuing, Mr. Cherkashian, or Colonel Cherkashian, I should say, tell us about your memoir here, and describe for us, please, about how you recruited Robert Hanson and Alder James and others.
I wouldn't put the question that way.
In the profession of intelligence, recruitment is one of the means of bringing the people to understanding.
You shouldn't overestimate the role of a person.
It could be a master spy or a master recruiter.
It doesn't mean at all anything.
The most important part is if a person with the information decides himself, for himself in the first place, to do something he considers to be the right thing to do.
Without that, you won't be able to get anything.
There will be no recruitment at all.
You salve the conscience.
We're doing this to stop war.
We're doing this to really come together and also lots of cash involved.
That's never bad either.
The cash is not the most important part in the whole business, you know.
It's the state of mind.
Okay, well, how did you become friends with Robert Hanson and Aldrich Haynes?
I've never met any Hanson.
But I mean, through your intermediaries, I'm reading from the publisher here, through your intermediaries, you were the spy handler.
I mean, how did this happen?
Yeah, that's another story.
I've never seen Hanson.
I've never approached him.
I've never...
The information we're referring to in the book also because it's taken from the publications after his arrest.
And the same procedure with Aldrich Ames.
Believe me that the information sometimes you don't get
Well, it says here, Colonel, that you are the one controlling them.
So from your book, just explain to me, I mean, I want to know how this relationship was formed.
The relationship, usually, usually the relationship depends
If you are friendly, if you want to help a person, if you think about him, about his security, that will make the relation.
And how did you feel when they got caught?
As any normal person.
Distressed and certainly sorry for that.
But I bet they didn't find the tip of the iceberg of your spies, did they?
I bet they didn't find one-tenth of the real moles, though, did they?
Oh, you can't talk about that?
I didn't quite get the question.
Well, what I'm saying is, how many of the KGB spies did the CIA or NSA catch?
I'm sure it might be something on the line, but I can't get the question.
How many of your spies got caught by the United States government?
You mean how many spies?
Yes, sir.
I'm sure they didn't catch all of your spies.
I would like to believe in that myself, but I don't have that information, whether they've got any spies or not.
Of course, the FSB, I'm sure, and others still have them operating here today.
They might be.
They might be.
What do you think about Israel spying?
I've read that it's even bigger than your spying.
I do agree with you that the Israelis have really efficient and effective intelligence.
I do agree with you that the whole life of the country has made it, you know, to have better intelligence.
Yeah, I've read that about half our Congress is blackmailed by Israel.
I'm sorry for your congressman.
All right, stay there, sir.
One more segment with you after this quick break, and we'll come back and talk more about the book, Spy Handler.
We'll be right back.
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We're talking to Victor Cherkashian.
And this is from the publisher of the book, Spy Handler.
In this riveting memoir, Cherkashin provides a remarkable insider's view of the KGB's prolonged conflict with the United States, spanning his recruitment through his rising career in the counterintelligence to his prime spot as the KGB's number two man at the Soviet Embassy in Washington.
Cherkashin's story sheds stark new light on the KGB's inner workings over four decades and reveals new details about its major cases.
But it was in 1985, known as the year of the spy, that Circassian scored two of the biggest coups of the Cold War.
In April of that year, Circassian recruited disgruntled CIA officer Aldrich Ames and became his principal handler.
Refuting and clarifying other published versions, Sir Cashin offers the most complete account of how and why Ames turned against his country.
As with Ames, Sir Cashin also reveals new details about Hansen's recruitment and later exposure as only he can.
He also addresses the evidence that suggests that there is an undiscovered KGB spy
That's what I wanted to raise earlier with him.
Another Hanson or Ames still at large.
How about hundreds of them?
Spy Handler is a major addition of the Cold War history, pulled by one of its key participants.
And Victor Cherkashian is a retired KGB colonel, was awarded the prestigious Order of Lenin during his four decades working for the KGB.
He was stationed at various times in the West during his four decades working for the KGB.
He was stationed at various times, again, in Germany, India, Australia, Lebanon, Washington, D.C.
Following his retirement, he began a private security company in Russia, which he still runs.
He lives in Moscow.
Gregory Pfeiffer holds a BA and MA in Russian Studies from Harvard.
Helped write the book.
A former Radio Free Europe Moscow correspondent.
Pfeiffer lived in Russia from 1998 to 2003.
He covered Russia's politics for the number of publications, including the Moscow Times, World Policy Journal, and Agency French Press.
He lives in New York City.
And again, the book, ladies and gentlemen, is Spy Handler.
All right.
Victor Cherkashian, Colonel Cherkashian, continuing, of the Israeli intelligence, British MI6, CIA, who would you say is the most ruthless from your 40 years in the KGB looking out from the inside?
Who would you say was the most vicious?
Who used the most vicious tactics overall?
That's a very complicated question to answer.
You know, in the history of all the intelligence services, there have been periods when the intelligence services used ruthless and very severe and different methods.
I'm not in a position to judge, to be a judge, who was the champion and that.
In my opinion, every intelligence service has its share in that black, I would say, black business.
Black ops?
Wet work?
But, I mean, certain intelligence agencies are known for using sex.
I mean, they all do it, but some more than others.
Some are known just for using flat-out torture, or killing, or, you know, and there's combinations of all of it, but what would you say the KGB specialty was, and is today, under FSB terms?
I would say that for the last 30 years, at least,
of the existence of the Soviet even not 30 but 40 years of the existence of the Soviet intelligence the people in the intelligence tried to use the most human method that is friendliness help and understanding that is with the methods of the kind you're saying that
Using women, blackmail and all that.
I think somewhere in the beginning perhaps that was a popular method, but not lately.
Lately it's more the basis for mutual struggle for peace, for security of the countries, for understanding.
I think that was more important than the rest of the methods.
Very interesting.
But I've heard some pretty scary stories about the KGB's dungeons.
I guess you can't talk about that or don't know anything about that, huh?
You were in a different compartmentalized area?
You were in a different area.
You were in recruitment, so you weren't in interrogation.
That's a different, yes, quite different position.
Was the KGB a purely pyramidal structure, like the CIA in a compartmentalized system, or was it circular, in your opinion?
I think every intelligence service, KGB was certainly compartmentalized.
What would you say, though, out of, let's say, Mossad, MI6, CIA, KGB, GRU, whatever, which one is the most pyramidal in its structure?
I think the British.
Yes, I think so.
Actually, I was going to say, aren't they some of the most sneaky and vicious?
I think the British intelligence had the history behind them of different periods and using different methods, and they're more experienced.
So are you saying the British are the slickest?
That's my opinion.
Yeah, well, that's my opinion, too.
But I would say most active, though, now, would be the Mossad, really.
The Mossad, I wouldn't say they had the coverage.
But they know where to cover, right here in the United States.
Certainly the Mossad, the Israelis...
I wanted to bring up terrorism.
A lot of your people in your government today have said that they think Western intelligence agencies could be involved in 9-11, but at the same time, members of the FSB and others have gone public, and I don't expect you to answer this, but the 1999 bombings where they caught FSB in a fourth apartment, and then the FSB said it was just a drill.
You got any comments about the use of terrorism by governments to blame it on their enemies?
I think it's a very dangerous path to step upon.
And if you do that, then there is a danger that you'll become a terrorist organization yourself.
Oh, yeah.
Were you aware of Operation Northwoods?
That, you know, Kennedy had been a hawk and was doubling military funding, was for the Vietnam War, but then L.L.
Limitzer came into him and said, and this is now admitted, we have the document, and said, we want to...
Hijack jets, crash them.
We want to bomb D.C.
We want to have U.S.
troops dress up like Cubans and attack the Marine Corps base and kill Marines.
We want to have sniper attacks in Miami and D.C.
Blame it on the Cubans and then the Russians and have thermal nuclear war with them.
Kennedy freaked out, called up...
No, I don't think so.
Do you have what?
Do you have a computer in front of you?
No, no, I don't.
Do you have a computer?
Yeah, I do have, but not at the moment.
Well, when you're done, will you type Operation Northwoods in?
I know what you're talking about.
I know about that.
Oh, but you don't want to talk about it?
But I think it's the history where politics...
We're playing the main part, the main role in the whole story.
Well, I'm going to be honest with you.
I think China, Russia, all these countries did horrible things that were run by despots.
But I'll be honest, our government is run by an even more sophisticated criminal oligarchy.
We're now shifting into a fascist system where they communalize our wealth and give it to select corporations.
I'm glad you understand all that and I'm sure you'll try to do something about that to change the situation for the better of the world, certainly.
Are you aware that our government is contracting with the former head of the KGB that they've hired Primakov as a consultant?
Are you aware that they've even hired as a consultant the Silver Fox?
Were you aware that they had hired the former head of the Stasi to help them set up their internal passports?
I know that the United States after the collapse of the Soviet Union
And the intelligence service of the United States has made a lot to get the access to the information of the Stasi and the rest of the Socialist Republic's special services.
I know that there have been attempts and not only attempts but real moves to establish relations with the Russian intelligence
But believe me, this is the influence of the new situation.
The new situation that dictates the situation when the United States is the prime country in the world.
The country which is trying to dictate, to impose the policy
But I want to make it clear!
But, Colonel, let's make it clear.
The corporations that own America are just like the six oligarchs that own Russia today.
They don't represent the Russian people or the American people, and the intelligence agencies are just their hired corporate enforcers.
And so when you say America's taking over, no, America's been taken over, and now we're being used as an engine, like Napoleon used France to take over the planet.
That's an interesting assumption.
I've never thought about that.
Oh, I bet you have.
Certainly you know that the Russian system turned into an engine of empire.
I know that in Russia we have a different system now, where we have
But that's not free market.
You see, that's what communists were able to point out, is look at these corporations, look at these capitalists, they're bad.
But that's not the free market.
These are just organized criminals.
I think what we need now...
is the KGB in its force till 91.
That is the organization that could really get to the point and getting the resources and the human resources to clear up the situation.
Unfortunately, I'm now a pensioner and I'm not very keen on politics anymore.
I understand what you're talking, and I do agree in the most part of your discussion.
But that's something that we have to cope with.
Why do you think George Herbert Walker is good?
I've read that early on he actually tried to keep Gorbachev in and didn't want Yeltsin in there.
I wonder why Bush Sr.
wouldn't want Yeltsin in.
The reason is very simple.
I think the United States at the moment is interested in being on good terms with Russia.
That's all.
And so, George Bush Senior, why do you say Herbert Walker is good?
Earlier you said George W. Bush's daddy was a good guy.
Why are you saying Herbert Walker's good?
I'm not telling that that was a sort of a joke, you know.
I'm not in a position to judge your people, your president.
I can tell you something about their politics, which I don't agree with.
Let me ask you this.
You say you're aware of Operation Northwoods,
What do you think of the fact that the military in this country wanted to go to war with you that bad?
I didn't quite get the question.
You say you were aware of Operation Northwoods.
When were you aware of that?
Quite a bit of time back.
How many years?
Might be.
Did you even know the name of the program at that time?
I can't tell you exactly because I'm judging by the memory which sometimes might let me down.
But you were aware of plans by this government to carry out terror attacks in America as a pretext for war?
Bill and me, I would like to develop all that subject because I'm not an expert on that.
Alright, well, it's been interesting having you on.
Your observations that I've been listening to are very, very interesting and very instructive.
I will think the most, and I'm afraid I will agree to most of the part you said, you mentioned right now.
Thanks a lot.
Well, look, we're creating common ground together.
All right, well, Victor Cherkashin, thank you so much for coming on.
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Well, we were talking to Victor Cherkashian, and he was trying to manipulate me there at the end.
Oh, yes, we're buddies.
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But talking to that guy, he was real slippery, as you could hear.
He didn't answer a lot of my questions, but overall it was still interesting.
So you're welcome to comment on that.
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You know, I tune in to Neocon Talk Show hosts every day when I'm out driving around in my car in the morning, the afternoon, the evening.
And with almost no exception, they go, the evil liberals...
Why, they're going to get your guns.
The evil liberals, they're for open borders.
The evil liberals, they're for signing on to UNESCO treaties in the UN.
The evil liberals, they're... And then I go look at Congress, and it's actually Democrats are voting more often with Bush on most issues than Republicans are.
Which is why you could still call me a conservative at some level, according to the popular term.
But I look at Bush's nominees.
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Boy, he's a good conservative.
The evil liberals are trying to stop him.
And that's just not true.
And so we're going to lose the Second Amendment, folks.
I mean, you think Ashcroft's pro-Second Amendment.
Yeah, he said it prescribed by law.
He's saying the law, some little petty regulation, is above the Second Amendment.
Nothing is but God Almighty.
Nothing is.
It just points out our God-given rights.
You can't change it.
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And Gonzales, oh, my brother's a SWAT team commander, and I'm for the assault weapons ban, and I'm for gun control generally.
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Larry, good to have you on.
Hey, it's good to be with you.
Thanks for having me on again.
You bet.
You know, last time you were on a few months ago, I said, look, we've won this game, but the season goes on forever.
And, you know, we...
So I guess we got the assaultments ban down for now, but they're back with a vengeance, and it's Republicans.
Well, we have an Attorney General nominee, as you know, Mr. Gonzalez, who volunteered that he really supports gun control in his heart.
He didn't just say he agrees with his boss that, yeah, if you put the renewal of the Clinton ban on his desk,
He'll sign it, and I agree with that, and I'm with my boss.
No, no, no.
He went on to say how much he really supports gun control.
Hey, that's really wonderful to have the Attorney General, who, after all, Ashcroft was one example, but they all...
I think.
And on appeal of the Supreme Court, they wouldn't listen to the requirement that the Fifth had put on it, that it had to go back and be reheard in court.
And Ashcroft was there arguing that, no, this didn't violate anybody's Second Amendment rights to have an ex post facto law take away your Second Amendment rights.
So, that was a pretty significant case, I thought, and it certainly vindicated our not having supported Ashcroft when he was up for nomination, and we're not supporting Gonzalez either.
Yeah, but Gonzalez is even worse.
It sounds like it.
It sounds like it.
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Alright, most of my conservative friends have gone to sleep.
They'll look me in the eyes and say, hey, how dare you talk bad about Alberto Gonzalez?
And I tell them he's a member of MECHA, which is openly the equivalent of a Hispanic Klan group.
And their own website talks about killing whites and driving them out of the U.S.
I mean, it's scary stuff out of the Southwest.
He's for open borders.
He's for gun bans.
He is for not telling parents when their 12-year-old daughter goes and has an abortion.
It's pro-abortion.
I mean, this guy actually out-Clinton's Clinton.
And he's your new Attorney General.
Going to be your new Attorney General, approved already in one section of the Congress.
So this is what we're facing right now.
And whereas Ashcroft on the surface said, I'm for the Second Amendment if prescribed by law, and then as Larry Pratt was saying of the Governors of America in the last little segment, he went to federal court time and time again and actually argued against it.
And Bush got up and gave speeches.
Hey, I'm for the Second Amendment.
And people called in and said, Oh, she's for the Second Amendment, Alex.
Well, I mean, you know, a serial killer tells a woman he just wants to give her a ride, too.
Doesn't mean he's telling the truth.
And this is what I'm sick of.
Don't listen to what they say.
Watch what they do.
That's what Larry Pratt does, is he watches what Lord Bush does.
And, I mean, everybody Bush is putting in are a bunch of anti-American gun grabbers.
I mean, his second time in, when he's not facing re-election, he's showing us what he is, like his daddy, a New World Order right.
And Larry Pratt looks like we've got some tough going here, and I don't even know if most of the conservatives out there know there's a ball game going right now.
So far, it's been a little lonely in leading the opposition to Mr. Gonzalez.
And, you know, in truth, I'm sure Bush is not likely to change his mind on this, but part of it is because he is getting support from the conservatives by and large, and I guess it's because, well, gee, it's a Republican Hispanic.
Well, he may be a Republican, certainly an Hispanic, but as you've pointed out,
He's got a background, and it's not as if you have to put your hand over your eyes and say, let me see now, what will the Spirit reveal to me?
No, the guy's got a public record.
He was a judge in Texas, and he did take part in positions.
Larry, hold on a second.
Can we boost Larry's audio?
Go ahead, Larry.
Okay, fine.
Sorry about that.
No, no, no.
Go ahead.
I hope we're coming through all right.
Yeah, you are.
I can tweak it on this end, too.
But he was part of decisions in the Texas court that were pro-abortion, and he has been associated with these radical Mexican groups that, as far as I can tell, they're not even pro-abortion.
Actually, we've been to their rallies and they have pictures of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people with their brains blown out or with Aztec warriors cutting their hearts out.
And 95% of Hispanics I talk to don't like this organization, but it just so happens he's a member of that.
I mean, we could have found lots of Hispanics who would have made great U.S.
Attorney General.
So we're not against having an Hispanic Attorney General.
I don't care.
In fact, I wouldn't care if the whole cabinet was Hispanic if they reinstate the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It would sound very good in Spanish or in English, as long as it's the Constitution.
Ha ha!
And it translates into Spanish.
I speak Spanish.
I can do that for you if we need to.
But this is a very disturbing situation that we're playing ethnic politics above anything else.
And that may be all part of a clever Karl Rove design.
To take Hispanics away from the Democrat Party.
And there's some evidence that the plan may be working.
Yeah, Bush got 35% of Hispanic vote, which is unprecedented for Republicans.
But again, what does he put in?
A bunch of Hillary-ites, basically.
Well, it's not something that pleases me.
And frankly, with the election of somebody like Mel Martinez, you've got evidence that you don't have to have some kind of left-winger that Hispanics will support.
Martinez, I thought, was... Well, I was pleasantly surprised when during the campaign he referred to the kidnappers of Elian Gonzalez as jackbooted thugs.
That's not a real friendly thing to say about Janet Reno.
But then Janet Reno was not a real friendly sort of person.
And he said, well, yeah, I respect the Second Amendment.
That was what Castro went after in order to take the rest of our liberties away.
That's why I'm a refugee.
Well, why can't we get somebody like that?
Bush put him in as housing secretary.
Is he the only one that believes like that?
No, I don't think so.
I know a lot of Hispanics, and you don't have to go to the Mr. Gonzalez's of the world to find somebody for a position.
Well, it's a total distraction from what's really happening.
Again, we have the NRA...
Go lobby last year.
I read their case on air.
They're filing.
And it said, we are for all guns to be registered in the District of Columbia.
We believe you shouldn't be able to leave your home with a gun.
Their argument for the Second Amendment was that there was no Second Amendment.
Of course, they even lost the case.
With that argument, and I haven't heard the NRA say a word about, Alberto, I want your guns, Gonzalez.
Well, the silence is pretty deafening on most of the right.
And I think part of it is they just figure, well, why bother?
Well, I agree.
I'm not too hopeful that we're likely to win this fight.
But on the other hand, if we let Bush...
I think we're good to go.
I think we're good to go.
We were convinced that, at a minimum, you communicate to the other side that if you're going to do something like this, it's going to hurt you.
Even if you get what you want in the end, have you really considered how high the price is going to be?
Well, when Bill Clinton got the assault weapons ban passed, people panicked.
It's all the limbo's the world talked about.
People were going into gun shows with giant pallets, grabbing everything they could.
People at gun shops were freaking out, talking about a revolution, and Bush says he's for it, wants to repass it, and they go, well, I guess we better just turn our guns in.
I'm pretty concerned.
I mean, that is sick.
Well, it cost the Democrats control of the Congress so far.
Well, we're going to find out what these so-called conservatives want.
Do they want to just stick a W sticker on their car and feel conservative?
Do they love Bush more than they love the Second Amendment?
Well, this is going to be one of those moments of truth because there's a lot more than, as you've indicated already, there's a lot more than just the gun issue at stake.
I would say, I don't know where he is on taxes, but I would imagine with the company he's kept, he's probably pretty bad on that too.
There you have described with abortion taxes and guns pretty much the core of the Republican base.
And here's a guy being put...
In a very conspicuous position, in a time when we're involved in a war on terror and the Justice Department is grabbing more and more power in the name of fighting that fight, and the whole conservative movement, the Republican base, is just going to sit there and watch it?
That's a little disappointing, shall we say.
Well, that's because they don't know.
Most cities don't get this radio show.
They're listening to the Wieners and the Limbaughs and the rest of them who are not telling them.
Well, they certainly, hopefully, some of them are getting our email.
And as you probably know, we've put out an email alert to our members saying, hey, you know, we've got to communicate to Bush.
He can't get the idea that he can do whatever he wants.
Yeah, and what he's saying is that he doesn't worry about the safety of those of us
Well, Mr. Gonzalez isn't stupid.
He knows the most dangerous cities in the country, New York, D.C., Chicago, have gun bans.
He knows that's where the cops get killed.
He doesn't care about his brother.
He cares about power and control because he likes torture and he can't wait to get our guns so he can have fun with us.
Well, the fact that he is part of this movement that seems to want to have the restoration of Aztec heart cutters restored to the greater southwest...
That's a power program if there ever was one.
Those guys are Marxists to the core in La Raza and Mecha and those kind of groups.
Those are bad actors.
Well, what's wrong with having a group called the race, Larry?
Let's go start one ourselves.
And when they say you've got a thing called the white race, we'll go, well...
La Raza means the race.
Listen, you know what happens.
There was a group out in, I think it was California, and they had the same impulse that you're talking about.
A bunch of, I think they might have been college Republicans, and they had a bake sale for a white scholarship.
It was during the time of the hoorah over affirmative action.
And they said, well, okay, good, you do your thing and we're going to do our thing.
And they liked it, got kicked off the campus.
Yeah, obviously.
I mean, it's a double standard.
And it's very, very dangerous.
It's very, very dangerous.
It's scary because, I mean, obviously you wrote Analysis of Patriot Act II, which now we learn Gonzalez wrote most of it.
And that affects the Second Amendment.
I mean, this is scary.
Yeah, it's a fascination with government power, assuming that even if you give it an innocent construction, it's the assumption that somehow with more power we're going to be more safe.
And historically, that's just a stupid position to take.
There is no way to defend that whatsoever.
It doesn't work, and people have known that for a long time.
I think it was Benjamin Franklin that warned...
That if we thought we were going to get security by trading in our freedom, we would deserve neither and probably get neither.
So, this is not a news flash that you and I are communicating, but apparently here in Washington, it's a totally unheard of idea.
Well, they don't care.
It's not meant to work and really stop terror.
It's meant to give them more power.
More power.
And it'll certainly work in that respect.
In that respect, it'll be very successful.
When we come back, I want to take some calls, but I also want to get into this assault weapons spam, which they're trying to bring back to the floor.
And the fight, and we're just going to wake up one day and hear it's passed again, and
I'll be called a liberal for being against it.
I understand.
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And, Larry, I've actually gotten emails from people going, you know, how dare you criticize Gonzalez.
I'm a Republican, and he's great.
And you're a liberal.
And so, because I'm against losing the Second Amendment, I'm now a communist, basically.
Well, it doesn't seem to me that the folks that are criticizing you are familiar with Gonzalez's record, the things that are on the record.
These are not allegations.
These are his own statements.
You've correctly quoted him on the gun issue, and I'm aware that he's had rulings that were pro-abortion while he was on the Texas court.
And he does have his fingerprints all over the Patriot Act.
Why do some conservatives want to be in denial?
You know, if it were before the election and they were concerned, and I've talked to people like that who were concerned about, well, if we rock the boat, then Bush might lose and Kerry would win, and that would be just beyond what we can think about.
That's one thing.
But the election's passed.
That's not going to happen.
Making Mr. Bush accountable is what we ought to be all about right now.
Well, I heartily agree with you.
Again, do you love that W sticker on your car, feeling like you're conservative?
Or do you love this country?
I mean, Gonzalez, I've got copies of his memo.
They won't release the whole thing, but the memo that came into court
Where he says, we can torture people until organ failure, and if they die and we didn't intend them to die, it's still not torture.
So he's saying we can torture people to death, and it's not torture, Larry.
Well, that's a pretty interesting position, and I think that should be a matter of concern.
It shouldn't be just liberals that are concerned about that.
I don't know that we've really had any discussion of that during the hearings, at least I'm not aware of it.
And perhaps more to the point for all of us, maybe not all of us are going to be tortured, but we're all going to have our privacy invaded in one way or another by the Patriot Act, and that ought to be a concern.
Yeah, this just shows his mindset, and he's one of the, with Viadin and others, one of the architects of it, along with Chertoff.
It just gets worse and worse.
Legislatively, they're trying to sneak it back through.
What's going on with that, Larry?
Well, they've got most of what they want, and it seems as if they don't need to bother with legislation if they don't get it, because the whole idea of the enemy combatant was never in law when it was snapped on guys, and they were just held without charges because they were classified as an enemy combatant.
But talking about the assault weapons ban and other gun control...
Well, happily, there, I think we've still got the horses to hold them off.
We've got a House of Representatives that is very staunch, and I just don't think they're going to be able to buffalo it through there.
The biggest problem still could be the Senate.
The Senate is a somewhat better body, and I don't think, with the presence of Dr. Tom Coburn from Oklahoma, they're going to be able to pull off as many things
I'm thinking particularly of that train wreck that was allowed to occur back in March last year when the bill that was on the floor that was designed to stop these lawsuits being brought against the gun industry because a criminal does something with a gun, not because the gun malfunctions.
Well, that's another thing, is that Gonzalez is going to control all the federal prosecutors, and they've got...
Well, the BATF is certainly not under control, and they're now...
Technically under Gonzalez because they're in the Justice Department, which is what he will be heading.
And we just saw yesterday, I got a news item that a fellow by the name of Peterson was finally acquitted with a federal jury.
The BATF had very overtly tried to set him up and make him into a criminal by telling
I hate to even use the word entrapment because the man really didn't think he was doing anything wrong.
He was keeping the law.
It was the government that ran in people to buy things that weren't legal buyers.
Well, I know retired cops in Florida.
I've seen the articles.
Two cops on a gun shop.
They send in agents with fake IDs.
They scan them.
They go through and the cops go to jail.
And I use the example of the cops because it even happens to, you know... It happens to anybody that's not BATF.
How do they do that, though?
How do they go in and get a gun illegally when the system failed and then you go to jail?
That is a really good question, and it shows the system is out of control.
Well, it's designed to encourage us not to have gun shops.
And Gonzalez is certainly not likely to help restore that.
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You know, Larry, one time I went to a party, and there were a couple BATF guys there, and when I first saw them, it was a big party, upscale party, it was three of them, and when I first saw them there, I'm like, are those guys like criminals?
Two of them had shaved heads, you know, with the weird mustaches.
They were acting weird, aggressively.
They were just there.
They were drunk.
And, you know, normally you go someplace or some event and you see cops who are there off-duty.
They seem like nice guys, usually kind of reserved and friendly.
Or, you know, you see firemen.
They're nice.
I've been at parties before where FBI agents are.
I went to school with an FBI agent's son in high school.
I went to their house for dinner many times.
He seemed pretty nice.
But BATF, the one time I was around them,
One of these guys, let's just say he's a high-level agent here locally, really just, you know, the type of person on an alley at night you'd move away from.
I'm not trying to be mean here.
This is just my observation of them.
Well, the bad apples tend to rise to the top, and that's been a severe problem for years and years and years within the BATF, even well before it came to the Justice Department.
So it brings a culture of corruption at the top, and it's hard for a guy down the line, regardless of whether he and I would agree or not,
That it's constitutional to have his job at the federal level at all.
But nevertheless, there are guys that go into it.
They want to be a cop.
They want to do a good job.
And what they find out, that unless they're willing to cut corners, they're not getting to the top in the BATF.
And a lot of them, I've talked to them, when they are trapped like this, they think, well, maybe I'll transfer to some other agency.
Well, they're not going to get a good recommendation.
They are literally trapped.
And some of the most unhappy people in the world are those that have had a decent instinct who ended up working at the BATF.
Not a good place for decent people.
Well, just to finish up with this, talking about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, a very astute comment you just made, because I happen to have researched them.
They were the classic what people in the South and other areas called the regulators were.
It was the first of the whiskey regulators, the whiskey tax men.
And so you've had kind of this criminal element, this mafia element from the start, recruiting, recruiting, recruiting, and the tone got set for that agency in the beginning.
And it is one of many examples that when you have law enforcement at the federal level, where it does not belong under our Constitution, you have something that's almost impossible to control, and accountability becomes something that
We're good to go.
We're good to go.
I think?
Give up our powers.
We transfer them.
Not that there's anything in writing that says that, but as a matter of practice, we don't get them back.
You're absolutely right.
We've only got Larry Pratt for about eight more minutes here.
Let's go to some calls.
Robert in Colorado, you're on the air.
Go ahead, Robert.
Hey, good morning, Alex.
Thanks very much for taking my call.
A couple of three points.
One for Mr. Pratt and then you, Alexander.
First off, Mr. Pratt, a few years ago I used to
Yeah, speak up, Robert!
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
The city leaders in San Francisco want to put on a ballot plan that if passed would outlaw handguns in San Francisco.
What do you know about that?
What's the status of that?
Well, let's just throw this out here.
We've got the so-called Republicans in New York passing a law and in court cases so they can sue gun manufacturers, and just one or two of these winning will shut us down, folks.
It's over.
I mean, it's just like there's no diving boards and swimming pools anymore.
We're not going to have guns.
We're going to lose.
It's going to be over, thanks to these people.
And then in San Francisco, Larry, they're coming after the guns as well.
Arnold Schwarzenegger's banning rifles left and right.
Tell us about it.
Well, the good news, at least in San Francisco, and there's certainly not much in San Francisco, they can pass all the referenda they want, the initiatives they want.
They can have their city council pass all the laws they want.
On the Second Amendment issue, on the gun issue, they're going to have to change the state law first.
That law's already been tried in court, and it's been upheld even by the nutcases in the California State Court.
What do you think of Arnold banning 50 cows and wanting to ban more now?
And I see all these conservative groups endorsing him for president now, Larry.
Well, we put out a news release indicating that Mr. Schwarzenegger apparently is a girly boy when it comes to guns.
Well, he likes to show these violent images of what a tough guy he is, when in reality he throws fits if he doesn't get his pedicure every day, and that's mainstream news.
You talk about a girly boy, he gets bikini waxing.
I mean, he's a piece of trash.
Some foreigner wants my guns?
He says, this guy's been on record for gun bans, Larry!
He's very much a gun banner, gun controller, and he's a smart enough guy.
I think he's got to know that his own country was ruled by gun controllers.
Austria, after all, fell under the Nazis.
Yeah, his daddy helped confiscate guns.
He's a trash.
You'd think that there might have been a lesson there if the man was really interested in freedom, but I don't think he got the lesson.
I don't think he got the point.
And we would be doing our... You know, with 280 million Americans, we don't have enough to choose from to be president.
We've got to make Arnold Schwarzenegger president.
I don't think so.
Thanks for the call, Robert.
They're pushing big time, Larry, as you know.
Open borders, the first thing he did to solve the government's
The financial crisis in California was to further indebt the state by some $16 billion.
Oh, but he's wonderful.
Let's talk to Ron in New York.
Ron, you're on the air with Larry Pratt.
Go ahead.
Hello, gentlemen.
The reason why you have so-called conservatives that will call you a liberal being against gun control or Arnold Schwarzenegger or whatever the case is is because you have people who are politically unsophisticated, uninformed, and ignorant.
Who want to feel that they're part of a power structure, that they're along for the ride in sharing in the power too, and they're too ignorant to know that there are just so many numbers, so many ciphers that are just being utilized, used completely in this purpose.
They're not sophisticated enough to even know that they're actually engaging in conduct.
Which is detrimental to their own social interests.
You know, actually, I think that's a very good point.
There are people who would rather not know about these issues that we're talking about where the Republicans have made their serious mistakes because, at least in their own mind, they're part of the...
And that kind of conduct is usually exhibited by ignorant people.
Well, right.
Alex, you once said in a broadcast, and this is a very, very good example, and I've never forgotten it all these years later,
It's like being in a car with Ted Bundy, you know, and you think, yeah, me and him are, you know, out to do something.
In fact, you know, Ted is not out to do nothing with you but take you down with the rest.
That's exactly what it is.
It's the sign of lesser people who are inferior.
Maybe their lives are insignificant.
They suffer in desperate silence.
Who knows?
Flipping burgers.
Whatever it is.
It's just the truth of the matter.
It's the psychology of the situation.
As for the Attorney General Designate, who has now been nominated Attorney General,
Listen guys, we like to be diplomatic as gentlemen, but there comes a point in which I guess one should not withhold or spare any verbal blows about what this man is.
A man who openly pontificates about the things that he has pontificated on.
Dismembering bodies and finding that acceptable.
Being the presidency as an imperial presidency.
Belonging to a race supremacist group.
This isn't just a guy who's a little off base.
This is a guy who at worst is demonic or who at best is demented.
This guy is wholly unacceptable as a person.
No, I hear you, Ron.
I've got to let you go and let Larry Pratt have final comments here in the next 60 seconds.
We do want to make some trouble for the President.
I think he needs to hear from us that we're not all just peachy happy with everything that he's done.
And if folks would like to go to gunowners.org, that's the website for Gun Owners of America, go to gunowners.org.
You can find the email there to send off to the White House and register your protest.
Don't let the silence be complete.
And also call your congressmen and women and go, what is your malfunction?
Gunowners.org, and give folks that phone number.
If they can't get us on the web, call toll-free, 888-886-GUNS.
That's 888-886-GUNS.
Larry, thanks for working so hard for the Second Amendment as a fellow liberal.
And, you know, something's wrong with us.
We're against torturing people.
But I appreciate you coming on.
I appreciate you coming on on such short notice, and God bless.
Well, let's keep our guns.
Thanks so much for what you're doing, Alex.
Take care, my friend.
There goes Larry Pratt, folks.
I'm just disgusted by all of it.
I mean, yeah, Alberto Gonzalez, the president's above the law.
We can torture people unto death, and it's not torture.
You know, I'm a member of a group that just kill all white people.
I mean, literally.
It's Twilight Zone.
And Arnold, you heard him.
Very proud about Arnold.
He's for banning guns.
And, you know, Newsmax is out endorsing him, and Limbaugh's out endorsing him, and Sean Hannity's out endorsing him.
Why do we support any of these groups?
The liberals are winning, folks, because they became conservatives.
And fooled you.
It's sick.
It's so sick.
We're going to lose this country because of you, the so-called conservatives that are listening, who don't get it.
Let's talk to Ron in New Mexico.
Ron, thanks for holding.
Go ahead.
Yeah, Alex, I was wondering, your caller the other day mentioned the Atlantic Monthly.
Did you happen to pick up a copy of that?
Because I did, and it's amazing.
No, I didn't.
The caller talked about how we're going to have martial law, and the terrorists will attack us and give up all our freedoms.
That's what she said.
Well, I didn't read it.
Yeah, it's...
Well, I guessed what was in the article before she even read it.
I mean, it's not hard.
They're constantly putting out their fear-mongering reports.
Yeah, I highly suggest you pick it up and maybe include it in a future broadcast or documentary.
Well, mail me a copy.
I have it right here.
I bought two.
So one's going out in the mail, waiting for the mail guy, actually.
Yeah, the only place in town that has all the publications is also a porno place.
One half of it's all the newspapers, and the other half's porno, and I don't like going in there.
Occasionally I have to to get a magazine or newspaper, and it's called news.
Then every time I go in there, someone's like, what are you doing?
Oh, you're getting this magazine I'm in.
But if you want me to get that, because I've called around, the only place they have it is there, then you're welcome to mail it to me.
Okay, great.
That's it.
All right.
Thank you, sir.
Hey, I appreciate the call.
Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting little store.
It's got almost every magazine and newspaper you can imagine, and like two-thirds of the store, and then the other part is the porno stuff, and I'm a public figure.
I don't particularly like prancing around in there, and I have gone in there before to get magazines and newspapers you can't get anywhere else.
You know, hey, you're here in the...
You know, in the Washington Post.
Well, they don't have the Washington Post anywhere in town.
Sometimes it's the Barnes & Noble, or you're in this magazine, you're in this newspaper, or you're in the New American, or you're in the only place they got it in town.
It's weird.
Let's go ahead and talk to... Who's up next here?
Who's up next?
Gail in Texas.
Go ahead.
Hola, Alex.
How are you?
I'm calling to congratulate you on speaking up against Gonzalez.
Well, I'm an evil liberal.
Well, then so am I, I guess.
An evil Hispanic liberal.
And I wanted to tell you that there are lots of Hispanics that do not support Gonzalez.
And one group is the League of United Latin American... Oh, I'm sorry, not them.
The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, MALDEF.
Have you heard of them?
Yes, I know there's a lot of groups that are against him.
Right, and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus wrote a letter yesterday to Bill Frist stating that it would not endorse Gonzalez.
So you've got Hispanic groups not endorsing him?
Oh, that's correct.
I was aware that some weren't.
I mean, look, I've found Hispanics, frankly, of any group per capita, the biggest listeners of this show, are the most conservative people per capita that I've found.
And, yeah, they don't like Gonzalez.
Oh, no.
But, again, it isn't even about him being Hispanic.
They try to make that the issue.
No, it's not.
I mean, he's a demonic Cenobite.
And Orrin Hatch came out and warned all the Democrats that every Hispanic family in America was watching how Gonzalez was going to be treated by the committee.
And yeah, we are watching.
We are watching how he's being used by the Republicans.
We are watching how he's being pushed through.
Just based on the fact that he is Hispanic and how he's this totally unwholesome... Well, I don't think it's just that he's Hispanic.
He's evil.
He is.
Like Chertoff and Bush and Rice and Rumsfeld, this collection of psychopaths.
He is.
He's a horrible person.
And for somebody to actually contemplate
The torture of another human being is just the worst, most unfathomable type of... But then it says we define reality.
I said this too.
We can torture someone to organ failure and death, and if we didn't mean for them to die, it's not torture.
Well, I'm sorry, but I disagree, and a lot of people out there... Well, what's wrong with talking about cutting somebody's wife's fingers off in front of them?
I mean, what's wrong with... The caller mentioned Ted Bundy earlier.
Maybe Ted Bundy should be our Attorney General.
And the amazing thing, Alex, is that... Oh, I'm against white people.
I talk bad about Ted Bundy.
Oh, no, finish up what you were saying.
The amazing thing, Alex, is that half the country thinks that these people are religious and they're good people, and I just don't get that.
That just totally goes above my head.
I just can't get it.
I don't get it.
It's amazing.
And the Democratic Party's faking over, the Republican Party's faking over, and if we as Americans don't get past what color we are and where we're from and start getting back to defending liberty, it's over.
And you'll have a pack of criminals, regardless of what color they are, ruling us.
Great points, Gail.
I appreciate your call, my dear.
Good to hear from you.
All right, we'll come back and talk to Tony and others.
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But you're calling in, and I'm glad you called.
One of the things in my stack is the commemorative Glock New World Order pistols, handguns.
Hundreds of them handed out to our gracious leaders after the end of Desert Dust 1, Jack.
Yeah, well, thanks for taking my call, Alex.
You're doing a great job.
And since you were talking with Larry Pratt, I thought this might be apropos.
But yeah, there were a thousand of these Glock 17s made.
They had a special engraving on it.
The, I guess, recipients are George W. Bush, Schwarzkopf, James Baker III, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Brent Scowcroft, and a list of CENTCOM guys.
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Yeah, we've got it listed at jackblood.com as well.
But, I mean, here we're always hearing there's no New World Order, you know, we're just making this up, and here this is what they put on this gun.
I mean, it's right in our face, and I thought it was rather offensive.
Well, a New World Order means total loss of liberty, world government, world taxation...
End of the Second Amendment.
Yeah, I mean, you can just see George Bush and others handling this gun, just kind of drooling, and they just love this kind of stuff, but they've got to put their name on it.
They've got to put their name on it, and the name is New World Order.
I'll tell you what, Jack, stay there.
We're going to the next hour.
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Spy Chief of the KGB on in the first hour, then we had Larry Pratt on about Alberto Gonzalez wants your guns, and you're a liberal if you're against gun control now.
So I'm a communist, folks, if that's the case.
If you're anti-communist, you're a communist.
If you're a pro-gun, you're a liberal.
And now we've got Jack Blood, talk show host, calling in.
I don't like having him with us.
He's going to leave in a minute, but we're about to then go to... Who's up first from Arkansas?
He just told me that.
They're up in Minnesota, folks, and I'm down here in Austin, Texas.
They could type it over the computer to me, who the guest are, but they would always write it down and then can't read my own writing.
So, Tony and John and Paul and Jim, we'll get to all your calls.
But, Jack Block, you called in talking about this New World Order commemorative Glock that they gave to George Herbert Walker Bush and others.
Yeah, it's a souvenir.
Just a nice little souvenir after all the death and destruction they caused over there.
It makes you think what kind of souvenirs they're getting out of this war.
Of course, we know that they ransacked the museums in Babylon and Baghdad, so I'm sure they have vases and various incendiary items that are thousands of years old.
Maybe they've inscribed New World Order commemorative on those, too.
This also says Operation Desert Storm, and it gives the date and everything.
They made a thousand of these and gave them to all the people who had done such a good job in getting Saddam Hussein in 1991.
Well, isn't that just darling?
Good little PR move for them.
But notice, see, the establishment, it's good when they have guns.
It's just bad when we the slaves have guns.
What do you think about Alberto Gonzalez saying... Yeah, maybe we'll have commemorative guns if we're lucky.
They don't shoot bullets, but we can look at them and play with them or something.
Yeah, obviously this whole confirmation, all these confirmation hearings and getting right up to Comrade Cherkov and...
His origins, you know, I've verified, his name does in fact mean devil or the damned.
I mean, this is the guy you want running your homeland security.
All of these guys like Marcus Wolf and Prima Koff and others that are assisting this guy to turn this into a total and complete police state.
Of course, George W. Bush gives a speech.
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Oh, I've heard that.
There's too many of them.
We've got to get rid of them.
And did you mention, hey, Tommy Frank says martial law is coming in the next attack.
What did he say to that?
Yeah, he denied that.
He denied that he gave the interview, and he also said it on Fox TV, but he first said it in Cigar Aficionado.
He couldn't deny the interview.
I mean, this is something... This was a big slip that Tommy Frank did in that Cigar Aficionado interview, and...
Everybody I've interviewed and talked to about that, including Oliver North, denied it and tried to downplay it.
So that was a real leak.
They didn't like that coming out.
And this General DeLong, of course, tried to cover up for it, saying that it would have to take extreme instances for this to happen.
But look, I mean, you had emergency, state of emergency declared for one inch of ice in South Carolina two weeks ago.
Look, we're already in an emergency when the Supreme Court says there's no more Fourth Amendment.
I mean, when the police are running around in black ski masks calling us civilians, that's a martial law.
You know, it's like we're in a pot on the stove with it set at, you know, number five on a scale of one to ten.
And don't draw any violent cartoons or sketchings or doodles if you're a little kid, because you could be locked in jail.
Let me ask you, when I was in school, that's all the boys did.
Did you do that?
Of course I did, and there are plenty of, you know, Mad Magazine does it.
Come on.
But, I mean, that's what boys drew.
And I've seen my dad's artwork.
I've seen my uncle's artwork.
That's what they drew.
I mean, that's a thought crime, pure and simple.
I should go to prison then.
I mean, I drew pictures.
Well, destroy all those pictures if you still have them.
Those could be used against you.
But I can play violent video games, though, if I want.
All right.
We'll be right back.
Thanks, Jack.
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Alright, we're now 8 minutes and 30 seconds into the third hour.
Let's go ahead and go straight to your calls.
Up first here...
It's Tony in Arkansas.
Tony, go ahead.
You're on the air.
Alex, hi.
It's an honor to speak with you.
Honored to talk to you, my friend.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
God bless you.
Listen, before I get to my main point, just a real quick sidebar on Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Since Bush seems to be big on outsourcing jobs, I think we ought to start using the term he's outsourcing the presidency.
We can't trust Americans to actually run our own country anymore.
That's a good point.
Well, that's it.
Outsourcing the presidency.
Outsourcing the presidency.
Actually, I lived for years and worked and was born actually in Las Vegas, Nevada just about a year and a half ago because I felt the Lord wanted me to move away from there.
But I have friends that work both out of Area 51 and Nellis in the military and they will tell you, I tried to, I caught your rebroadcast last night and it's kind of dealing with you talking with the colonel yesterday.
There are not only NORTHCOM things going on out there, but there are German troops by the
My friend who was a guard there, they've since moved him to Texas, and he's now at Vandenberg in California because they're so short of personnel.
He was there for about five months as a guard and worked on the base, and I got to go on board with him.
And he got some of these shots on his cell phone.
You know how you can snap a picture?
They had brought the F-117A back up to Vegas.
It was supposed to be in New Mexico, and this was right around the time of the Gulf War, a little after it.
He came to me and he said, you know, it's funny, the Germans are jealous of the technology we have.
And I said, Germans?
You know, he wasn't up on, he goes to a Bible study group, but he wasn't up on any of the things you cover.
And I only discovered you, thank God, through George Nury and getting on the Internet listening to you.
But he came to me and said that, and I'm like, what are you talking about?
And then he showed me his pictures on his cell phone, the Germans all over our equipment there on Nellis.
And they were being trained how to fly the F-117A, being shown it.
And he said, yeah, they're jealous because they've got nothing like that.
And I'm like, dude, why do they have German troops on our stuff?
And it turned out later he said there were scorers.
He couldn't get a figure.
And he talked to his CO and said, why are they here?
Yeah, American citizens can't get anywhere near those stealth aircraft.
Well, number one, from Alamogordo in New Mexico to the bases you were just mentioning, Grim Lake and others, in Nevada, it's Germans.
Yeah, amazing.
And then you get into Mississippi, Louisiana, it's Russians and Czech Republic and Ukrainians.
You get up into the Michigan area.
In Mexico, it's Chinese troops.
I mean, this is public.
Well, and they wore these black uniforms with their German insignia, but below it was a different insignia that he did not recognize.
And we talked to his CO.
The CO told him, you know, well, he didn't know.
So he went to, I guess, his company commander, and he told him they were there for an air show.
And a year later, they're still there, you know.
And they kept to themselves.
He said they spoke German.
And he counted, I mean, his guess was at least 200.
Well, maybe they should be Arnold's cabinet.
Well, but here's what they're getting ready to do.
And you guys were talking about it yesterday.
We also knew two people who worked for FEMA.
And one came into contact indirectly.
They've built a base outside between St.
George and Las Vegas.
And you were talking about the linchpins that are going to bring martial law on.
I really believe it's my gut feeling.
They've already got the FEMA, the tent cities put up.
Newsmax had covered that a year and a half, two years ago.
It was contracted to a company called EG&G to build them between Las Vegas and St.
And my dad lives in St.
And so I would travel constantly there, and you will see scores of black helicopters just after you get past.
Well, let me just stop you.
I have the video up by Dallas.
There are just thousands of old Vietnam era Bell helicopters.
And they're painting them black, and they're putting new high-powered engines in them, and they've got it... Before, they had to get, you know, like one a week ready.
Now it's, what did he say, seven a week ready.
And there are four domestic operations.
Thousands of helicopters.
What do they need thousands of... This is for the big push.
This is when they nuked a city.
This is... I'm sorry, Alex.
I didn't mean to catch up.
I'm sorry.
And Jim Keith, before they killed him, really got a lot of the documents on this.
That's their plan.
They've got all these foreign soldiers, all these FEMA camps, huge foreign armies of highly trained specialists.
I'm not kidding, folks.
And now, let me add this.
I was shocked when I saw the pictures of them.
Let me add this.
Now, top...
Generals have gone on TV and said, oh yes, foreign assets will defend the homeland if we're on a war on terror overseas.
And literally it has been like taking the pill in the Matrix where you wake up, and it's been that for me, because I campaigned for Bush in three states, believe it or not, Republicans.
And it has just been, since 9-11, a continual wake-up into realizing, thank God you went into Bohemian Grove and did all that.
And again, thank God for George Murray, because I listened to Art Bell for years, but he would never put on you or Steve Quayle or anybody like that.
And I truly think they did, because I'd have never found you except through that.
And again, what you guys do is amazing.
It has been a continual revelation, and these people do.
You said yesterday, you're like, how could they kill children in Oklahoma City?
Bro, they're serving Satan.
They literally worship the devil.
And because God is in us, a lot of people, we sit back and wonder, how could you harm a child?
It astonishes us.
And even people I know in the military, and they know they've got to get our boys out so they can guard us with these foreign troops.
And Americans, just be prepared.
And the other thing I would say is optimistically pray, because more than once, they've had these type of plans in place, and they didn't go off, or they went awry.
And the most powerful thing in the world, I humbly believe that, and I thank you for letting me say it, is prayer.
No, it is.
Listen, thank you for the call.
I appreciate your call.
Very interesting points.
Speaking of George Norrie, who is a good friend of mine, great guy.
I really appreciate him having me on on his huge forum.
Second biggest radio show in the country, bar none.
The most responsive audience out there, period.
I'm going to be on tomorrow night.
I'm not sure yet.
It's either three or all four hours.
Certainly for three hours.
In studio with George Norrie.
He's going to be here in Austin, Texas for TalkFest that KLBJ is putting on Saturday at the Convention Center.
And I'd like to go to that.
I've been invited to that, but I don't know if I'll go.
I'm trying to finish this film.
But I am going to be on Coast to Coast AM at least for three hours tomorrow night.
And so, in studio with George Norrie.
Hardly anybody gets to do that.
That's going to be fun.
So I look forward to that and talking to tens of millions of people.
All right, thanks for the call there.
Let's talk to another caller here.
I guess John Michigan's up next.
Go ahead, John.
I'm John from New York, possibly.
Okay, John, go ahead.
Hey, how you doing, Alex?
Very good.
Just had an interesting thing locally here last night.
We've been fighting for a long time, and to be honest with you, I thought I was the only one around until I got a shortwave radio about four months ago.
There's a gentleman I work with that chainsawed his armpit in 98.
He's got an SSI report that says he's eligible for disability if he was ever disabled.
But a doctor says even though his hand is dead and his arm's only got 15% mobility, the doctor says he can dress a dolly, that he's not disabled.
But yet the Motor Vehicle Department has given him disability regulations to have a steering knob and all that.
Well, he got arrested for having a taillight out and not having a steering knob.
Well, he went to court last night and, you know, he fought the cases.
Well, no one pays me to change my steering
This is what the government did, sir.
The government trained us.
Let me explain how you domesticate animals.
You know, five, six thousand years ago, how they began domesticating animals.
Even longer than that.
What they do is you start putting food out, and you get them used to coming up close to you.
Then you build a little pen, and you put the food inside the pen.
And the animals start going into the pen.
Then you have it where you close the gate once they go in the pen.
And that's how you catch wild hogs.
Domestic pigs have gotten out, domesticated farm pigs.
And after a few generations they grow, you know, two foot long hair, foot long hair, huge tusks.
They're wild boars.
And they destroy your crops.
So what you do is you set up a little gate and a little fence, and you put a corn feeder out in front of it.
You run that for a few weeks, get them used to eating at it, and you slowly move it into the fence.
I think we're good to go.
This is what this social welfare net has done.
Send both the husband and wife to work, tax everybody, oh, but we're going to have a social safety net.
Now that we're domesticated, they're taking the social safety net away.
They're taking the corn away.
We've got troops with arms and legs blown off that don't get disability or get like 5% disability.
I know people who've got children that are totally retarded.
Can't even walk, and the government's taking their funding away.
What got me was that it's a local farmer that's the GP, Justice of the Peace, and in the past, I'm going to tell you that he's been responsive and fair, I'm going to say as fair as possible, and here he charged a guy $150 for not having a steering knob on his steering wheel.
Well, that's what it's like.
They take the services away that we pay for.
They're now taking the grain away.
Because we're already in the cage, why keep feeding us grain?
And then they start the slaughter, the bleeding, the shearing.
And then they start... Almost everybody I know that drives dump trucks and construction vehicles is out of business.
If you're one of the big companies, they leave you alone in Central Texas.
If you're the small company, they pull you over.
One drop of dust on your bumper, $500 fine.
People are losing their houses, losing everything they got.
They still lick the government's boots.
And this is what it's designed to do.
Everybody's going to go out of business.
Everybody's going to be a slave.
Everybody's going to work for a big corporation and do what they say.
I appreciate it.
Thanks for the call, sir.
And I'm sorry for your friend, but you don't think you're going to pay your money into a government that's owned by private crime syndicates and they're going to pay you, do you?
They got you in shackles now.
They got you in the pig cage.
And there's no reason once you got the pigs to feed them anymore.
They got us in the cage.
And, you know, a few of us went into the cage at first, and now those that won't go in the cage, they're just saying, okay, new freedom initiative.
We're going to forcibly psychologically test you and say you're mentally ill and put you on drugs.
Or, okay, your child draws a stick figure with a knife.
We're going to put them in prison at age 10.
Everything's going to be a crime.
You're going in the pig cage, and you're going to the slaughterhouse.
Do you understand?
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All right, Daryl and Jim and Mark and Ron and Stanford, your calls are all coming up and a smattering of other news.
Right now, let's keep going to your calls.
Daryl in Tennessee.
Go ahead, Daryl.
Yeah, I had a question for you, Alex.
A while back on your broadcast, you had mentioned William Cooper dying.
I only read his book, Behold the White Pale Horse.
Could you tell me a little bit about him?
I don't know much about him.
Do you have a computer?
I figured you might know.
Not at this time, no.
The best thing to do is, I can't do it justice, is just go to the library, it's free, and type William Cooper, the whole lapel horse, into a search engine, and you can spend hours reading about it, and you can see the death certificate and the autopsy report and read the news articles about it.
But Bill, I think, was a good guy, certainly wasn't a government agent, highly decorated veteran Vietnam gunboat captain.
And a lot of what he said panned out to be true.
A lot of stuff he'd reported on, he later said that was disinfo that he had planted on him.
And then he got a little bit, I guess, depressed at the end, and really was highly combative.
I mean, he put out an alert saying he needed help with the IRS, so I called him up to have him on as a guest, and he started cussing.
You know, and that's what I heard he did to his neighbors and people, and he got into it with the local police.
And then I don't know exactly what happened, but a police officer got shot in the face and almost died, and Bill Cooper and his dog got blown away.
And, you know, I don't know what else to say about it.
Okay, well, I didn't know if any of the stuff that he had written on was part tangible evidence or worthwhile.
Because I found that book a little hard to believe, and he wouldn't really name his sources, so I just kind of wanted to know.
Yeah, there's enough stuff that's so bizarre that's documented it's hard to believe.
You know, why talk about stuff you can't prove?
Well, that's why I like your program, because you back it up with the legislation and things like this.
Overall, I think Bill was a good guy, and I'm sad that his passing.
Take care.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Let's talk to Jim in Michigan.
Jim, go ahead.
Good morning, Al, or good afternoon, Alex.
I've got three items here.
The Phyllis Shafley report I just got, she's 100% against Bush now.
Remember she was kind of waffling when she was on your program?
And she's against the FTAA and the CAPTA and all this.
Well, yeah, now that they got Bush back in, now all these groups can come out and go, oh, we're conservative, we're...
She's against the Bush's feminist mischief, the women in combat and all this crap.
That's another thing.
Everybody pulled their hair out about women in combat.
Bush is actually doing it.
He's out-Clintoning Clinton.
Yes, absolutely, in the name of being a conservative.
And another deal here, I've got a couple more items.
Are you familiar with Carl Miller, a.k.a.
Richard Champion?
Okay, I went down to court yesterday, and the judge, he was finally allowed to be, we got him out of the nuthouse, they forcibly tried to put stuff in him, and I found out you have to resist, or you act, if you go along... By the way, we're talking to the founder of Domino's Pizza right now.
And, uh, anyway... Why don't you tell them about that, Jim?
No, I mean, you're talking about somebody who fought the courts, exposed their corruption, they grab them, say they're mentally ill.
Yeah, but nobody was around.
A top Army doctor says, they admit, was at Waco, and he sees them kill the people, and he reports on it, so they grab him.
Seven years in solitary confinement, forced drugging, no charges have even been brought against him.
This is happening everywhere.
Well, now they got him on five felony counts of firearms.
Well, he knows the Second Amendment's valid.
And the judge yesterday, Judge Bronson, said, well, since they finally allowed, we got him out of the nun house, and he can be his own lawyer.
They tried to prevent him from doing that.
He knows the low inside, out, backwards, and the Michigan court rules the same way, which the judges don't even understand.
They broke every law in the books when they incarcerated him.
They didn't fill out the proper forms.
The White House has said the government is the law.
They don't even have to follow their own laws.
They're God.
There's a word for that.
It's called tyranny.
Yeah, really.
And the judge says, well, I'd like to implement my actions.
He says they're all without merit, so he's got to fight it from there on.
He's fighting it from prison.
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Good to hear from you, Jim.
Mark in New York.
Go ahead, Mark.
You know, I had a thought.
Yes, sir.
Supposedly we're training a lot of troops, Iraqis, to become their own army at this time.
What they've done is put 98% of the Ba'athists back in.
Okay, well, they're going to be armed, obviously, and have weapons, guns, and everything.
Now, if Bush plans on attacking Iran in the near future, what happens if those Iraqi troops turn against the American soldiers while they're attacking Iran?
Well, that's not going to happen.
Saddam never turned on his master.
Saddam was put in by our government, ordered to invade Iran, told to go ahead and invade Kuwait, and they shut him up.
So as long as our government doesn't set up the new public government, they're not going to do anything bad.
I see.
That's a good question.
Imagine the poor Iraqis, man.
They're seeing all the Baptists put back in.
That wouldn't make you very happy, would it?
It'd make me sick.
Anything else?
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Thank you for the call.
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I was reading an article in a magazine at the store the other day.
I was out somewhere.
And it said that 80% of airplanes do not drink the coffee, the tea, the ice, the water, because 80% of the airplanes tested the water they were using had bacteria in it.
If you're in a mobile home, an RV, you know, those storage tanks are not clean.
You're pumping water in from these hoses, and they're in the storage tanks or however they're coming up,
And the skim stays on the top.
Yeah, you have to be aware that you're getting these bacterias from everywhere.
And by burping your water first, by taking your tap water, whether you're on a well, whether you're using your rainwater, whether you're in the city, by burping your water, you're at least taking some control of your life of what's going in your body.
Well, I agree, but I've read about these tanks in RVs and in mobile homes.
I just can't believe it, you know, because I really was surprised that a regular magazine, worldly magazine, would have right there in bold print, you know, that 80% of the airplanes tested had bacteria in the water, do not drink the ice, don't eat the tea.
And usually when I fly, which I like to fly a lot, you know, because everybody I think knows I'm from California and I visit home a lot,
And I fly all the time and I'll drink coffee on the plane or I'll have, you know, ice water.
Of course, they give you bottle water, but I always take my Berkey Sport bottle anyway.
And somebody got blessed with one recently because I accidentally left one on a plane.
Well, Debbie, to go over this for a second, you talk about the tanks in an RV.
Again, the water goes in slowly, it's taken out slowly, and I've read about this.
When they open these tanks up after years, there will be a thick skim of scum on the top of the surface.
I mean, even...
Even, like, how many times have you made iced tea and kind of left it out because it's a hot summer day or whatever and you leave it out on the counter and then you take a drink and it's kind of thick and it's horrible and you go, oh, yuck, you know, because something grew in that.
Well, same thing.
Think of the heat.
It's a dark, wet environment.
And the Berkeys do fit in an RV.
I have a very good friend who has one in his RV and he had to kind of make a spot for it
And, you know, he put it so that it doesn't topple over, except if he makes a really fast right-hand turn.
No, I'm kidding.
But there are ways to even, you know, put one in your RV, put one on your boat, take them with you.
There's a very prominent musician from Austin who listens to your program.
And a couple years ago for Christmas, he bought Berkey Lights for every single one of his travel buses.
For all of his RVs, for all of his staff, his crew, you know.
We won't say any names.
No, I won't.
I know that, too.
No, I know, I know.
He's a great guy.
But no, that's true.
But for those that just joined us, they need to give you a call, ask about the different specials,
You know, the sports bottles, the units for the kitchen, all of it, you need the shower filters.
That's where you're inhaling a lot of this, and it's going through your skin as well, one of the biggest areas.
Oh, and I thought of something the other day, too.
Let me tell you this, Alex, because I've had people ask me if we have a filter for the bathtub, and I always say no, we don't, you know.
But if somebody were to put the shower filter in the shower part of their bathtub and
And then go to, like, a store and buy a $10 handheld shower head.
Let me just stop you there.
With my family, with my children, when they take baths, yes, I went to stores.
They do not sell them that go over the faucet.
What you do is you just take the long cord with the shower end.
And you fill your bathtub up.
And you fill your bathtub up.
No, that's exactly what I've done for years.
I just figured that out.
I mean, I can't believe the light bulb went off a couple days ago.
Great minds think alike, Debbie.
We're improvising.
I'm not going to put my little ones in that toxic garbage.
Yeah, so you can do that even if you have a bathtub.
Okay, well, let's give them the number, Debbie.
Let's give them the number.
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Debbie's a great lady.
Give her a call.
If the phone's busy, leave your name and number.
She'll call you right back.
Debbie, thanks a million for coming on with us.
Thank you, Alex.
Have a wonderful weekend.
You too.
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Okay, let's go back to the calls.
Thanks for sitting through that, folks.
It's easy to listen to Debbie, but hard to listen to me, I know.
Let's go ahead and talk to, I guess up next here would be Ron in New York.
Ron, go ahead.
How you doing, Alex?
Good, sir.
Can I get Greg Ellis' phone number off the air?
You had him on last week or two weeks ago?
Yeah, I don't have Greg Powell's phone number in front of me.
He lives in England and he also lives in New York.
A couple points here.
Using Bush's strong points and his personality to evoke an emotional response in people.
You know, how they've orchestrated his walk, his talk, his strut to...
You get people to respond emotionally, and with that image, that's how they're drawn to him.
No, he constantly talks about God, he constantly talks about freedom and liberty, when he's the exact opposite.
And there's a reporter on CNN last week that asked him, what is the strongest way we can improve our security, national security?
And here's his answer, quote,
We need to get into the minds and the mail of the enemy.
That was his answer.
Now that speaks volumes.
What was really being said here is we need to get into the minds and the mail of the American people.
Well, that's what they're doing.
I mean, when the Supreme Court on Monday said we're going to search all your vehicles with drug dogs, no Fourth Amendment needed, no probable cause, I mean, the Fourth Amendment's still there.
They can say it's gone.
It's still there.
This is criminal.
This is seditious.
And the borders are wide open.
Thanks for the call, Ron.
I really appreciate it.
I'm sorry I don't have Greg's phone number in front of me.
I don't think I can give you his own phone numbers.
You can go to gregpalast.com and email him if you want to try to get in contact with him.
I'm not in a position to give out our guests' phone numbers unless they want them given out.
Let's talk to Stanford in New Jersey.
Stanford, go ahead.
Hey, how you doing?
Good, sir.
First of all, I wanted to ask you this question.
Is Pat Robertson a mason?
Yes, he's a devil worshiper.
Also, I wanted to say, I'm starting to now, I just basically started getting on your website.
And it's like I'm starting to see this picture of what's been going on.
Yeah, that's all we do is post their documents, their news, but it's the condensed news that's mixed in with all the other, you know, what's Michael Jackson doing, what's Lacey Peterson doing.
We cut all that out.
It was kind of like straining the gold out of the sand.
We go through a big bucket of sand and get a few grains of gold, but we go through tons of sand and get you buckets of gold just to show you what they admit what they're doing.
And to be clear about Pat Robertson,
That may hurt people's feelings what I said.
He is a high-level mason, and the high-level masons know who they're worshipping.
It's Lucifer.
He's on the lion's paw on the cover of Time Magazine.
That's on my website.
That is a very satanic signal.
That's no accident.
He tells us George Bush is good.
His dad was a World Bank chief, and...
He pushes a faith-based initiative.
The Fed's taking over the churches.
And, let me add this, Pat Robertson said, and I quote, China's doing the right thing with its aggressive Planned Parenthood.
You know, what are they going to do?
They've got to do what they're doing.
When he was asked, is forced abortion good, that was his answer.
And I'm sorry, folks.
Force to worship is satanic.
Don't be.
Don't be.
Look, for me, you have uncovered, you've pointed to the wolf for me here, you know?
I didn't realize all this stuff was going on.
We're a bunch of lambs out here, you know what I mean?
We're not watching or paying attention.
I say that what you're doing, I want to commend you for opening my eyes.
I've only been looking for a week.
I can't get any sleep.
I'm on that thing all night.
I'm looking at all the stuff about what happened in New York.
I'm looking real close at the images.
I see, what did Building 7 go down for?
I'm looking at the two Twin Towers.
I'm looking at the puffs of smoke on each side.
Then I look at Building 7.
I see the same puffs of smoke in the same location.
What's this all about?
One cannot be told about the Matrix.
One must see it.
You're right.
You took the red pill.
They're all a bunch of bums.
I'm just going to say this.
I don't know who's listening out there, but Jesus Christ is Lord, and he's going to bust every last one of them.
And I just thank the Lord for you.
Well, I thank the Lord for you as well, and you're absolutely right.
God is going to crush these people.
We ain't going to win.
You're right.
I want to encourage you.
This nation is for the Lord.
This belongs to God.
Well, it always gets darkest before the dawn.
That's right.
And God needs us to stand up and wake others up so they can find the truth.
Our job is to put the information out so people like you, whose hearts and minds are in the right direction, can get the full picture.
I'm telling you, if any Christians that I know knew this information, they'd be mad.
You could hear it in me.
But a lot of them, though, are delusional, and they don't have the same spirit you've got.
They'll just laugh at us.
A strong delusion has been sent to them, and they can't see the truth.
Hey, I appreciate your call, Stanford.
Keep calling in, and I'm glad that for a week you found out about this stuff and that you're awake and you're taking action.
That's the kind of call I like.
It's somebody who's angry, who's got that tremor in their voice, who sees this for what it is.
That's the natural response.
Don't let yourself get...
Get acclimated to where you finally start accepting this stuff.
That's a danger of a broadcast like this.
When you do this as long as I've done it, you start getting used to it.
Each new horrible revelation doesn't get you as angry as the last because you're so used to it.
Keep that fresh indignance.
Keep that fresh anger.
The same type of anger that Christ had when he whipped the money changers.
That's what we need.
Michael in Florida.
Michael, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
Okay, well, Michael's not there.
We'll go to Russell.
Go ahead, Russell.
Hey, Alex.
Good to talk to you again.
It's been a while.
Good to talk to you.
Got some good news.
You talk about that anger.
The anger that I have been able to build up against the New World Order has enabled me to wake a lot of people up using your information.
And I also have a radio program that I'm going to be on here.
Actually, not on.
It's going to be my radio program.
It's going to be two hours a week.
And I'd love to have you on as a guest.
Just email us or contact us.
I'll be glad to.
Regarding George Norrie, you're going to be in studio with him on Friday.
I don't know how to say this, but you have to impress upon him that 9-11 was an inside job.
He still...
George is a good guy.
You know him.
He has me on to say it.
I guess that's probably what it is.
He has other people on to... You know, George has got his own views.
Look, that's a venue to reach the people, and he does not censor.
I mean, I can't complain.
It is wonderful.
I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.
No, I agree.
I agree.
But somehow impress upon him...
To see that these guys up there... Well, in for a penny, in for a pound.
I mean, the show definitely is having a lot of people on there telling the truth.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
It's just definitely going in the right direction.
People are waking up, and we have a lot to be thankful for.
It is.
I wanted you to make a comment on these articles I read in the Sentinel.
Did you read anything about, it was an AP article, U.S.
won't fumigate Afghan poppies?
Did you see that at all?
Well, I mean, they went from a couple thousand tons to, you know, just ten times that amount in opium producing for heroin.
And it's all being grown, and the only thing that gets sprayed is somebody who didn't pay their cut.
And our government publicly ships the opium out.
I mean, it's not even debatable.
They're using Wall Street to funnel the... And then it comes out in the newspapers that, hey, our government runs these fields, there's nothing we're going to do about it, ha ha ha, but we're going to SWAT team your house looking for it.
And then one other article was, it was a report that came out by RAND that says, guarding planes against missiles too... Yeah, we've got to put missile defenses on.
You talk about the Fox Guard and the Hen House, the RAND Corporation, you talk about evil.
Well, they're saying it's too costly.
You know who the most evil corporation is, though, right?
Oh, there's a lot of evil.
It's not the private Federal Reserve.
It's IBM.
You want to talk about that?
The top of the pyramid, it's international business machines, my friend.
You think that's more evil than the private Federal Reserve, huh?
I'm telling you, every time we look, as top strategists involved in everything, you want to talk about just one of the main heads, the biggest, fattest...
Grizzliest looking head on the Hydra is IBM.
Hey, God bless you, Alex.
All right, thank you.
Thank you.
I appreciate the call.
I mean, it's just a bottomless pit of wickedness.
But it's the main family of the Bohemian Rove.
It's Mr. Watson.
I like all the pictures of him with Hitler.
They came up with a whole numbering system for the Jews, and they're behind the national ID card here.
They've numbered your genes, the number of a man.
Hey folks, Alex Jones here.
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Alright, in the news.
Developed world births falling to new record levels.
Within 100 years, the white population will be 2% of the world population and perhaps not even exist.
Sounds like genocide to me, but I guess it's good if you're not for it.
Bush arrested... Oh, I'm having Freudian slips here.
Boys arrested for stick figure drawings.
I actually just had a Freudian slip.
I just said Bush arrested.
I literally just spurted that out.
It's boys arrested for stick figure drawings.
AP, two boys were arrested for making pencil and crayon stick figure drawings depicting a 10-year-old classmate being stabbed and hung.
Police said the children charged with felony were taken from school in handcuffs instead of just getting a paddling.
The nine and ten-year-old boys were arrested Monday and charged with making a written threat to kill and harm another person.
And another drawing showed a stick figure hanging, tears falling from their eyes.
Folks, I never drew stuff like that, but I drew army tanks and soldiers fighting.
I think we all did.
And I hear cases of kids being arrested for that.
You know, a kid jokes and says, I'm going to hijack the school bus when they're ten.
They arrest them, charge them as a terrorist.
This is dumb.
And then the kids go home and watch violent TV, play video games where they do all this, and that's all alright, but then when you show it in any art form, then you go to jail as a terrorist.
British citizens subject to curfews, tagging under new terror powers, Associated Press, the British government announced Wednesday, proposed sweeping new power to control suspected terrorists, including electronic tagging, curfews, and house arrest of people who have not been convicted of crimes, all part of the new freedom.
36 U.S.
troops died just a few days ago in one day, 20-something yesterday.
I mean, it's getting really, really bad.
FBI says Boston threat a false alarm.
Yes, after they fear-mongered and trained you how to be a slave.
ID scheme to track students progresses.
The advertiser says all their data, all their information will be on the ID cards.
This trains the kids for your new national ID card to be your report card to the world.
They'll have to swipe it to see what your threat assessment is.
Quit smoking or lose your job, U.S.
company says.
This is out of Reuters.
I've heard neocons on the air going, yeah, fire people if they smoke.
Or fire them if they don't take a drug test for smoking.
Oh, it's so good.
But the problem is, then it's going to be for eating too much beef.
Or eating too much cheese.
Or drug tests to see if you drank alcohol in the last month.
I've seen articles where they fire cops who are caught smoking cigars at parties in Florida because it's illegal for a cop to smoke.
You know, it's ridiculous.
The push for mass doublethink, Bush targets tyranny.
The Boston Herald told it like it was.
I'm out of time, ladies and gentlemen.
I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight Central Standard Time.
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This is the 27th of January, 2005 edition.
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