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for a massive broadcast lined up for you today. We'll get into the latest death numbers of
our troops in Iraq, new scandals concerning torture not just in Iraq but also Afghanistan,
the Fed to raise interest rates, what's happening with the economy. But a large portion of the
broadcast, we also have Paul Watson joining us in an hour and a half to cover the worldwide news
and to give us his news analysis. It's always excellent, but in the first hour and a half
we're going to predominantly focus on Pulitzer Prize winning author, researcher, San Jose
Mercury reporter Gary Webb who we now have gotten the details. The police report all of it. He was
shot in the face with a shotgun, clearly murdered. Oh, but conveniently the police say it was a
suicide. Well, since we learned of this yesterday morning and the world learned of it yesterday
morning that he had been killed in his home the night before the morning before. Since we learned
of this, I've talked to Sally Castillo. I have talked to Chico Brown who was Freeray Ricky Ross's
one of his top business partners. Freeray Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer on the West Coast
for the CIA. And you see, I'm one of the few people that's interviewed Freeray Ricky Ross,
not on this radio show, but for an upcoming film that I'm involved in called American Drug War.
Well, last night the producer of the film called Freeray Ricky Ross in the federal prison he's
in in the Panhandle of Texas up near Good Old Tulia where he's not allowed to have interviews. Even
Texas Monthly has trouble getting into scene. And I've interviewed him over the phone before
from there for the film. And he learned from Kevin Booth, the producer of American Drug War,
that Gary had recently been telling him that he was on the new information concerning the CIA
and drug trafficking. And that men, he pulled up to his house and two men were up on his balcony.
Two special forces types. They jumped off the balcony and ran away. He was being followed. He
was being threatened. But the police, of course, will say it is all suicide. Just like Princess
Diana says, they're going to kill me in the next few months. They've told me in a fake automobile
accident, that's how they're going to kill me. They killed my lover. They murdered him. Now they've
said they're going to kill me. Or Dr. David Kelly, whistleblower, says if I don't shut up,
they're going to kill me and I'll be found dead in the woods. Told two different colleagues that
have gone public. Mainstream news, but again, back of the paper. We're not going to let the memory
of Gary Webb go down in some type of shame like he committed suicide.
But this is unbelievable. But it's par for the course with what we've seen. Police officers
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And they'll say, oh, suicide, Arkansas. Gary Webb, unrecognizable, face blown off. By the way,
a shotgun doesn't do that up close. Has to be at least a few feet away. That's how the pattern
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Pulitzer prize winner, author of the best selling book, Dark Alliance CIA Drugs series,
dead of reported suicide shot in the face with a shotgun. Now it was a little more obvious when
people would commit suicide with two gunshots to the back of the head, which is kind of hard
to get the rifle to the back of your head and then it's impossible basically to shoot yourself
twice in the back of the head. But we have now learned some new developments. I have interviewed
Ricky Ross, Freeway Ricky Ross, who was selling $25 million worth of cocaine a day.
$25 million of cocaine a day in California distributing across the West.
Openly taking delivery from the Central Intelligence Agency.
And Gary Webb won the Pulitzer prize. Then the media, the establishment,
tried to discredit him. He was successful in disproving their claims. He had just recently
been able to disprove everything they were saying and had been vindicated.
And he had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross via telephone in his federal jail cell
in North Texas that there were men up on his balcony when he pulled up at home jumping off
and running off, that he was being followed, that he was being threatened. And then he supposedly
shoots himself in the face with a shotgun. He was moving. He had movers coming to his house, was
moving. And just had a divorce. That's when the CIA likes to strike. So they have the
convenient narrative, the story. Oh, he was depressed. And then he just shot himself in the
face with a shotgun. And again, I'll repeat it. Just yesterday, big British newspapers,
several of them, had the headlines with the British paramedics that came to the scene of Dr. David
Kelly. The former head of the biological weapons program, important down, then the head British
UN envoy to the inspectors saying that it wasn't true. Saddam couldn't hit England in 45 minutes.
Notice with chemical or biological weapons that there weren't any weapons of mass destruction.
He then told an American and a British colleague, they're going to kill me. I'm going to be found
dead in the woods if I don't shut up. And then he's found dead in the woods with three undigested
sleeping pills. They wouldn't have killed him, by the way, would have taken dozens. They're undigested.
Somebody put him down his throat. Undigested sitting in his belly, sitting in his stomach
with almost no blood at the scene. He supposedly died by slitting his own wrist.
And there's almost no blood at the scene. And one of the local constables when they were out
looking for him because he'd come up missing the night before that morning when they came upon
the body from about a hundred yards, they described seeing men in black uniforms who looked like
military men, you know, the short haircut muscular. And then they walked off from the dead body
and the constable went up there and didn't chase them. Obviously intimidated by them.
And then they called in the police and oh, it's a suicide. Men with shaved short hair cuts
standing around the body. No blood to speak of, the paramedics said. Tells people they're going
to kill me and put me in the woods. I mean, what more do you need? A videotape of them killing him?
Princess Diana, months before her death, says they're going to kill me. They've told me
Charles is going to kill me in a fake auto accident. This is mainstream. This,
this, that they're going to kill me in a fake auto accident. And then a few months later,
when she's pregnant with the shopping mall tycoon's child, the British royals weren't
about let her be pregnant by anybody who wasn't royal, much less an Arab.
Very upset about that. Think of the scandal. She thought she could just rebel and do whatever
she wanted to, you know, get back at them. Didn't work that way. Her car, her Mercedes,
gets stolen the week before. And when it gets returned, all detailed nice. No questions asked.
Her security detail just says, oh, it got returned. We'll just take it.
Wonder why. And then the cameras all turn off two minutes before the wreck.
And then it plows into the pillar, the underground tunnel. And then they sit there for an hour.
The paramedics just sit there and you see the surveillance cameras and they turn back on her,
her legs moving and twitching and it looks like people are inside holding her down.
And she has a little problem and she gets loaded in the ambulance. They drive 25 miles an hour for
another 45 minutes and she dies at the hospital. Hey, right as she gets there.
Oh, no, she wasn't killed. I mean, people can say they're going to kill me. They can specifically
say how they're going to die. They can name who is going to kill them. And then when they're murdered,
the authorities say, oh, no, it was an accident or it was a suicide.
This is unbelievable. And the cowards in the media and the cowardly police and the
cowardly medical examiners, they just go and rubber stamp it. They've got a problem though,
because the paramedics in the Kelly case are saying, no, this guy had been brought there.
You know, we've seen what happens. People slit their wrist. There's blood. There's blood, you know.
They got a problem with saying all the voice recorders and data recorders were destroyed at
the World Trade Center site because firefighters are going public and saying it's all a fraud.
And by the way, the FBI threatened us. They got a problem. Some people got courage. Some people
speak up. Some people get involved. Some people have spinal cords and aren't jellyfish.
And I'm not going to stand here and let them smirch the memory of people they kill,
like Dr. Kelly and Gary Webb. I'm not going to sit here and watch these heroes fall and then not
give them their due. Gary Webb deserves to be buried in Arlington Cemetery with a monument there
for standing up and never backing down. And I know they've got patriotic cemeteries in England.
Dr. David Kelly deserves to be buried there. We're doing what's right.
I'm not going to sit here and let them claim they commit suicide when it's not true.
And again, I will never commit suicide. I've never thought of committing suicide.
I would never want to commit suicide. Nothing would happen in my life that would make me commit
suicide. So don't you, if they kill me, ever let the media say I committed suicide. I'm sick of it.
And again, they have old technology. Even the highway departments come out.
Federal transportation offices come out and say, oh, yeah, we can remote control cars perfectly.
And why in the future we may even make it to where your cars are controlled as you drive down the road
or where there's little sensors on your car. And if there's an emergency, we can remote control
and take control of your car that will keep you from running into other cars or any type of
obstructions. Covered that about a year ago when it came out off the government's own website.
It's old technology. So the car, Diana's car gets stolen a week before, gets brought back
detailed and her own security doesn't even, her own royal security just, oh, it was stolen when
it was returned. Let's just put you in it. And so the driver gets in there and everybody describes
it as the car just suddenly veers right into the 13th pillar.
In fact, it did it over 100 yards early. It isn't like it just suddenly veered. The car's driving
and it just veers perfectly and stays in a perfect line and hits straight on dead center
into that pylon. Clearly, it was remote control. Then it turns out the driver was not on drugs,
was not drunk, was not on pills. Those toxicology reports are out public.
But boy, when you ever hear of somebody in a car, wasn't stuck in the car, it was just the
front of the car was smashed. When you ever heard of somebody, them just leaving somebody for an
hour in the car, there's the video of her legs flopping as they're leaning in over.
They're going to kill me in a fake auto accident. Charles is going to kill me soon.
He told me. Oh, the police. Oh, no, he's not a suspect. No, because you can't be a suspect. He's
your royal, isn't he? No, royals never kill their families, never kill their wives.
They never smothered the twins in the tower and
killed them. Henry VIII didn't kill five of his wives and their heads chopped off. No, they never
do that. It never happens. I don't know when it doesn't happen. That's court entry. No, it's
impossible. It's ridiculous. Royals do not have other royals killed when they're pregnant with
Arabs children. I'm sure Prince Charles was happy and he was just going to let a foreigner
impregnate his wife. And again, I'm not saying anything wrong with that. I'm saying they weren't
going to put up with that. But Gary Webb, ladies and gentlemen, new developments. And this was
recorded, by the way. I talked to Kevin Booth last night right before he was making the American
Drug War film and I'm narrating and hosting. Big production. Been in production for a year.
I mean, production for another year. And he was going to call, forget the call, his weekly call
from Premier Ricky Ross in prison where Gary Webb got a lot of his information. And when he called
him, he didn't know that Gary died and that was all caught on tape. We'll air that tomorrow,
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Later this afternoon, we definitely need our great listeners to make a transcript of this
interview from this point on. Kevin Booth is a documentary filmmaker. He's been working for the
last year on a film titled American Drug War. In the websites americandrugwar.com, the film
will be coming out in about a year. He's interviewed basically everybody under the sun concerning the
history of the drug war, who really controls the drug trade. I am the narrator of the film and the
host of it. I have been involved in some interviews with Ricky Ross, known as Freeray Ricky Ross,
the biggest public drug dealer, that is the biggest known drug dealer in West Coast history,
upwards of in some days, $25 million worth of dealing going on to link directly back to the CIA.
He was one of the main sources for Gary Webb, the Pulitzer Prize winning author of the book
Dark Alliance CIA Drug Series in the San Jose Mercury News. And then, of course, he then wrote the best
selling book, Dark Alliance. He was shotgunned in the face, something that the major newspapers
aren't reporting, but I have this from direct sources in Sacramento and some of Gary's best friends
and associates. It's just unbelievable. He was shotgunned in the face and then movers who were
coming to the house found a note on the door saying, don't come in, call 911, call an ambulance.
Yesterday, Kevin called me and again, we've interviewed Ricky in the past. He said, Ricky's
scheduled to call me tonight at 1030 because you can't call him at the federal prison he's in.
They've moved him there from Victorville, Florida. Excuse me. Scratch that from Victorville,
Northern California from that prison in Northern California
in Southern California. And again, we'll scratch that out of the transcript,
trying to get all these facts together. Victorville in Southern California to the Panhandle of Texas,
North Texas, where they do not let media in to interview Mr. Ross. So we've been doing it over
the telephone. Kevin Booth was able to get the call last night and had the unfortunate job of
breaking the news to Freeway Ricky Ross that Gary Webb had died from gunshot wound to the head,
to the face, in very questionable circumstances. And now Kevin can reveal to us what Gary Webb
via telephone had recently told Freeway Ricky Ross. Kevin Booth. Hey, Alex. We've got about
three minutes before we hit break. Just tell folks basically who Freeway Ricky is and what
happened in the conversation last night. Well, I guess, you know, like you said, Ricky Ross was,
he just became known as the biggest crack dealer in West Coast history. The name Freeway came from
the fact that he was buying up so much real estate along the Harbor Freeway in Los Angeles.
And when he finally got put away the second time, he didn't know that the CIA was behind,
you know, allowing him to become so big. I mean, basically, it's not like CIA agents
were like supplying cocaine. It's more like he just couldn't believe he never got caught. And
he couldn't believe how low the prices were. And he couldn't believe how just easy it all was.
Well, people, I mean, in the Dark Alliance series and talking to Ricky, they had a go-between,
but it was Contras directly shelling him. And then the Contras flying back were all part of the
CIA operation. Right. It was all, yeah, all these big cartels. And so, you know, like you said,
I mean, he was in the Victorville prison and right above Los Angeles there. And, you know,
the last time he spoke to Gary, which wasn't that long ago, you know, he told me that Gary
was still working on the story, that this was the kind of thing that Gary was never going to give
up on because Gary felt like he could just keep going with this forever and uncover more and
more people and exposing more names. And but he did tell me that Gary knew he was being followed.
Every time he drove somewhere, there was always cars following him around. He said he knew it was
government people. Several times he came home. It was an apartment, a two-story apartment late at
night. And a guy would come shimmying down like a drainage pipe, you know, off of his balcony.
And, you know, you could tell it wasn't a burglar. I mean, it was obviously somebody
probably in his apartment rummaging around looking at documents or looking at his computer.
And we talked off air. It was described as kind of a special forces type, you know,
really fast going down the pipe. Yeah, definitely. And, you know,
so onto like the whole suicide angle of the story, I mean, it's kind of like they did
stuff to kind of freak him out, to intimidate him, to push him to actually being depressed.
But I mean, everybody I've spoken to, Ricky included, said there's no way,
you know, that this guy would have taken his life. But he enjoyed life. He loved his kids.
He was excited about the future. And, you know, people of South Central LA saw Gary Webb as a
godsend. He was... We'll be right back, Kevin. We got a break. Stay with us.
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Coming up in a few minutes, we'll be talking to Sally Castillo. Of course, the top DEA agent in
Latin America, Central and South America, who was eyewitness to masses of drug deals by the CIA
and by the Contras and another one of Gary Webb's sources, the Pulitzer Prize winning
author of the Dark Alliance series and the San Jose Mercury news, then wrote the best-selling
book, Dark Alliance, CIA drug trafficking. And the new developments, Kevin Booth, again, who's
been interviewing, talked to him last night. I've interviewed him for the film as well,
talking to Freeway Ricky Ross, who was the person who was supplied with CIA cocaine and the biggest
known drug dealer in West Coast history. Tens of millions of dollars a day going on for years and
was absolutely untouchable, one of the major sources for the Dark Alliance piece. Kevin broke
the news to Freeway Ricky, Ricky Ross, last night. And describe for us, Kevin, before we get back
into the people that were rummaging through and up on his balcony and following Gary Webb around
according to Ricky Ross, how did Ricky take it when you described it to him? I know we're going to
be able to play that on the air, but you weren't at your office when I called you for this broadcast
this morning, and so we're not going to be able to have that until tomorrow. But Kevin, describe
that discussion for us. Oh, he took it really bad, you know? I mean, he thought of Ricky as a,
I mean, he thought of, he thought of him as like a godsend and that, you know, this guy,
Gary, put his life on the line to expose this story and that, you know, that he just thought it
was really depressing and really just really made him sad. And he said a lot of the guys there in
jail who are familiar with the story and a lot of people are going to be sad. I mean, you know,
when he came out with that story, a lot of people in South Central just kind of had a wake-up call
and it just all rang so true to them. And, you know, one of the crazy parts of the story too is
that, like I said, I mean, Ricky wasn't, he wasn't even aware of all this until he got put in prison
and Gary Webb came out to try to help him with his case. And that's when all this evidence started
becoming uncovered. And it was just, just like with me working on the film, but the drug war,
it's just like one thing leads to another. It just never ends. So you talk to one person,
they lead you to another, and he just kept following this chain and the chain, you know,
just because he finished that one book, it just never stops. So my question to Ricky was like,
well, why was it, you know, the book is already out, everybody knows all this stuff, so why kill him now?
It was just a revenge thing. He said, absolutely not because Gary was still hot on the trail
and he was never going to give up on this thing. And he had just recently been vindicated. The
establishment media had been trying to attack him with ham-fisted attacks, but it wasn't working.
And he had just, as of late, brought out a lot of new evidence. He had been vindicated. That
was starting to come out in the news. He was still on the trail. That had been reported on.
Now, Selly Castillo is joining us right now, Kevin, and he may not be aware of this new
development. When you talked to Ricky Ross last night for Selly, please repeat what Ricky told
you Gary told him about people at his apartment and about being followed.
Well, yeah, he just, he knew that he was being followed all the time. And there are several
instances where he would come home after, you know, working all day at late at night,
and he would see a guy shimmy down like that. He had a drain pipe that went up to the balcony on
the second floor apartment. And these guys that were definitely not burglars would like come shimmying
down the pole really fast and just, you know, disappear. And he was pretty confident that
that they're up there rummaging through documents, looking at his computer.
What was the term? And again, we're going to air this interview.
But Kevin, what was the term he used to describe them? I mean, why did he think that they weren't
just regular burglars? I believe you described it as, as it was just so professional how they did
it. It's so professional. What Ricky said, he just, he just said that Gary said they were definitely
government. That's, that's all, you know, that's all he's told me. So I'm not going to put words
in his mouth, but he, he just said they were, that Gary had said these are definitely government
people. You know, I mean, he's been, so that was the term he used was definitely government people.
Yes. Unbelievable. Anything else he told you during this interview? I mean, I've been doing
interviews before with you with Ricky and he only gets about 15 minutes and then the prison cuts
him off. This is the only way we're allowed to interview him. They don't really let the media
end the interview. I mean, you've actually had to contact lawyers and have started proceedings
concerning that because they're not supposed to be able to do that. Well, yeah, another,
another part of the story I didn't know about was that, you know, after Chico and Ricky had gotten
arrested at that time, I guess there was some production company in New York that wanted to,
that was trying to buy the rights to do like a film about this and the DEA rated their office
and confiscated everything. Some big like film company in New York and definitely put an end to
any thoughts that these guys are going to make a movie about. Yeah, this would blow Scarface,
which is based on some real characters out of the water. I mean, this is a film that needs to be
made. And so that's another big piece of this. Anything they can to try to stop it. And Kevin,
I know that you're out taking care of errands right now. I hope that you can try. Let's be
honest. I called Kevin this morning. He's out on the green belt, beautiful weather here down by
the river, walking his, his two dogs. But Kevin, do you think you can get back to your office and
get that queued up by the end of the show? I'll try to. If you can't, it's okay. We can. I don't
know how to play it over the phone, though. You can figure it out. You could, I think you can
plug it into your, we'll just try to figure out if you can't, we can get it over here and get it
uploaded to the computer tonight and try to get it or put it on the web and high bandwidth and we
can download it and stream it that way. This needs to get out immediately for Gary. Kevin, I want
to bring up Selly Castile. Now, Selly, again, was the top DEA agent. He's been all over the big
national TV shows, far and television. We've interviewed him many times. He's come to Austin
and, and, and showed the pictures of the CIA drug dealers. He shows us the connection to Latin
America, how that coupled through to people like freeway Ricky Ross and the direct connection of
the CIA and these conduits to people like freeway Ricky Ross and the LAPD protecting Ricky Ross and
other top drug dealers. Selly, was this a new development for you to learn that Kevin talked
to freeway Ricky and found out that he had told freeway Ricky that he'd had men at his house and
things? I've heard something to that effect, but I wasn't very sure on it what actually did happen.
But my whole point to this issue is the fact that you gotta remember one thing. Nobody's ever done
a movie or a documentary on the Iran contra investigation which involved the
CIA involving drug trafficking. Now, Gary Webb at one point pointed to the assets
that were heavily involved and I myself pointed to actually the CIA officials
who were actually participating in loading and unloading and refueling the planes.
You came to Austin and did a two-hour presentation and showed photos of them,
documents, everything. Yeah, I got another hundred set of slides I'm going to bring over to Kevin
Booth who he can put them on and those slides do have the good, the bad, and the ugly.
For people that don't know who you are in a nutshell, tell us what you did and why you went
public. Describe what you saw in Latin America. Well, you gotta remember one thing. I am not
an individual who comes up from the left or from the right, but I was
reared as a very patriotic family, coming from a very patriotic family and we all served our
country and so forth. And when I joined the DEA, I thought that by putting my life on the line
that I would make a difference. But it was there in Central America in my six years that I realized
that we were the enemy. We were sleeping with the enemy. We were involving drug trafficking and
when I tried to expose the whole issue, I remember Randy Capster, CIA official, saying to me,
you know, nobody's going to listen to you. You know, we've been doing this for years and nobody's
going to ever, ever stop us. He was absolutely right. Nobody has stopped them from doing their
drug trafficking worldwide. So you had CIA. And I saw DEA's participation in refueling planes
of cocaine into the U.S. and never been arrested, never been seized or anything. They were just,
you know, the Flacco Air Airport at the Elopango Airport. So they were heavily, definitely
involving drug trafficking. And you had individuals tell you, hey, buddy, you're never going to stop us.
That's right. I had a CIA official by the name of Randy Capster, who was down there for close to
seven, eight years, involving those covert operations. And, you know, he was involving train
of death squads and, you know, basically just about everything you could do covertly. And
in Central America, he was involved in. And I have about an hour long video that's just full
of clips of you on national television going over much of this in years past. And they're unable
to even challenge you. You've got to be worried a little bit about your safety, sir. Well, you
know, recently, to be honest with you, I've got some vehicles following me around, trying to,
you know, I could tell their government, you know, because of my experiences and how they,
when you approach them, they turn their face and they're on the cell phone. But I've been under
surveillance for quite a while now. But you're not afraid. You were a highly decorated sniper in
Vietnam. Exactly. Well, my point is this, you know, I've been in Vietnam, put it this way, I've been on bar time.
So I make my peace with God and, you know, be it would be it, you know, but I will fight till
the end and I will never, ever commit suicide. So I want to say that too. I will never commit
suicide. Kevin, you want to. It's a triple non-suicide pack. I will never commit suicide.
Yeah, you know, we're in a long haul. We need to fight these people, you know,
till the very end and whatever we have available, what little we have, we'll,
we need to continue fighting this because it's getting worse and it's going to get worse before
it gets better if it gets better. Talking about Gary Webb, Sally, I mean, he's dead, shot gun to
the face and they described his face from the sources and you got a call just two hours after
they found him. You were notified and that his face was basically unrecognizable. Well, a shotgun
doesn't do that if it's point blank. Shotgun only does that from a few feet away for the pattern
to expand and people don't normally commit suicide with a shotgun to the face. Can you comment on
what you learned about this? Well, I got a call from Michael Rupert who eventually he got his
information right away after the incident and, you know, he knew that there was a note had been
left and so forth and that he was planning to move that morning had the moves coming in
and they found that note on the door. You know, allegedly that thing did not come in, you know,
call 911 and call an ambulance. I mean, why on earth if you're going to commit suicide,
do you like to, you know, bring an ambulance if you shoot yourself with a, with a 12-gate
shotgun? Well, that sounds like the classic mafia activity blowing somebody's face off.
Well, you know what? And to be honest with you, I really think when I speak about government
people, I speak about Felix Rodriguez and his gun squads have been involved in all kinds of
assassination attempts, whether it's war or domestic. You know, Felix and his group are very
well documented as train assassins. Well, it's like Barry Seal. They just marched up machine gunning.
Exactly. And, you know, and they're playing a couple of Colombians with head and so forth,
but there's always people that are willing to take the fall for the agency.
Unbelievable. Again, Selly, just for the record, tell us about your position in the DEA.
Well, I was a senior agent in El Salvador. I mean, that's how serious the war and drugs
were at that time. You know, we had, we had two agents covering the four countries in Central
America. And, you know, I was assigned to cover El Salvador. Well, to be clear, I had read in
mainstream media reports that you were described as the senior DEA officer in Latin America.
Are those incorrect? No, no, those are correct. You know, I spent my time in New York City and
domestically, but I was a senior agent and I was in charge of El Salvador. And, you know,
we went out there and conducted this investigation. And so you'd signed on, you'd signed on to fight
drugs. When did you find out that it was the government controlling it? Well, from the very
good go, you know, I was, you know, when I got into Guatemala City and my country had to say
Robert Stee has said to me, you know, there's some funny things going on in Salvador and just
don't, don't step on anybody's toes and, you know, don't, don't report anything. And, you know,
everything comes to me and so forth. And sure enough, my source of information was a guy who
did all the flight plans for the, for the contra pilots that were heavily involving drug trafficking.
And it was very well documented of money being seized in the U.S. and drugs being seized in the
U.S. that came out of Villa Pango. There's no doubt about that. And we ourselves refuel some of those
planes with the anticipation of being seized in, in the U.S. when they arrive. But, well, there
have been cases where the local police bust planes on airports. This has been an Esquire magazine
and the people flash CIA, national security badges. Terry Reed was there and saw the cocaine at
Mina, Arkansas. I mean, they're countless, they're countless people who have actually witnessed and,
and, and seen all of this. And it's, you know, it's, it's no secret. Yeah. Well, you know what,
the thing about it, it indicates that Gary Webb was the fact that the contra story, the final report
Higgs and CIO facial admits that they were sleeping with the enemy. And that there was a,
an, an agreement between the CIA and the State Department of not reporting this incident.
And, and what's always interesting to me is, is for you to explain how, like the whole supply
chain of like how it got from Villa Pango all the way into the hands of Ricky Ross. And how did
Ricky Ross do this for years without even knowing who was really behind it, just to
get shared like the level of compartmentalization. Right. And see what happened was Ricky would not
ask any questions. Why? Because everything was fronted to him. I'm concerned. So, you know,
he, he, he cornered the market. He was like Walmart. He was able, everybody came to him from
all over the country and he started the major distribution points and, and we saturated the,
the country with cocaine. Well, I want to add this, the Colonel who was the head in Latin America
back in 1998 for all counter drug operations was caught shipping in masses of cocaine and heroin
into New York. And when I asked Barry McCaffrey about it, you know, he, he just literally turned
red and couldn't talk and the whole audience started clapping and laughing at him. And I mean,
that's another example. I mean, we've caught these people red handed, Selly. Well, you know,
we have a CIO facial in Venezuela who shipped a thousand keys of cocaine without the approval of
the DEA and then he was arrested and, and so forth. So there are incidents that are very well
documented that our government was heavily involved in drug trafficking. And, and there's no doubt
about that. I mean, the final report acknowledged the fact that it did happen and they turned a
blind eye to it. Kevin Booth, anything else you want to add from the interview you taped last night?
No, just, you know, I mean how you know that that I think Ricky was really sincere when
when he felt like a real lost with Gary's death, regardless of how he died or whatever that it
was a loss to him that he felt Gary was like a God sent in his life. And then that he probably
wouldn't even be alive right now if it wasn't for Gary exposing this story. All right, Kevin,
try to get back to your office and see if we can get that in the third hour. Thanks for joining
us. We'll be back with a celly right after this break. Stay with us. Hey folks, Alex Jones here
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Celica Stillo, the senior DEA agent for Latin America, helped contribute to a lot of
work. Gary Webb's Pulitzer Prize-winning work, exposing CIA drug-dragging, is here with us.
Chico Brown, associate of the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history, who is in prison who we
interviewed last night via telephone. We just gave you those revelations from the federal prison
he's in in North Texas. Again, Chico Brown, the associate of freeway Ricky Ross. Gary Webb shot
the shotgun, and he told freeway Ricky Ross on a phone conversation that he would come home and men,
obviously very highly trained. Government types was his term, which shimmied down the drain pipe
and runoff. And we were just talking to Selly. He gets followed. He said people going into his
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Vietnam, highly decorated. And he said, hey, he's on borrowed time. It's up to God. And same here.
We can't be cowards. We have to be men. If the men aren't men, we become slaves. Our women become
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Organized crime is seized control of the country. We're going to go to break and go to Chico here
in a few minutes. Can you talk about the mentality of your courage? I wouldn't call it macho, Selly.
It's just you're an honorable veteran and veteran of the drug war, veteran of Vietnam. You saw this
happening. Tell us why you do what you do and then describe for us the type of individuals,
the sociopaths that are becoming wealthy off this. Well, off the drug trade. Exactly. Basically,
you know, the way I was raised was, you know, you would thought what was right and what was wrong. And
basically, I've always stood by that and was always doing the right thing, whether, you know,
I felt about, you know, good about it or not, that, you know, I had to do the right thing. And when
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Exactly. We, you know, running a covert operation about undercover operations, refueling those
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Well, basically for six years, I did that in Central America, even though I was warned that if I
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Gary Webb, a Pulitzer Prize winning writer for the San Jose Mercury News who also wrote the best
selling book, Dark Alliance, was shotgunned in the face two days ago and we talked to Freeway
Ricky Ross from prison last night. They didn't allow face-to-face interviews. He learned from us
that he was one of the main sources for Gary Webb that Gary had died and said that Gary,
the last time he talked to him, said he was being followed all over the place by government people
that he'd come home to his house at least twice and government men with precision would shimmy
down a small drain pipe down the back of his house from the two-story window and run off into the
night. He was working on news stories and Gary focused in his first series on the drug dealing in
South Central, the connection to the conference and the CIA and then of course, Celi Castillo was
the head of the DEA operations in Latin America folks and for years he became aware of this,
documented it, took the photos, the documents, was basically threatened over and he's come to
Austin and done two-hour presentation showing the photos, the documents, who the drug dealers are.
He was there in Latin America watching the DEA fuel the drug planes. It's unbelievable ladies
and gentlemen and of course he was a friend of Gary Webb's and learned of it within two hours
after they found his body, his face shotgunned away and again folks for those that don't use
firearms a lot, haven't done a lot of hunting, haven't done a lot of target practice and shooting,
you shoot somebody with a 12 gauge up close, it just blows a big hole in their head.
You've got to shoot them from at least five feet away to blow their face off. I don't want to go
into too many details of it but the pattern spreads out from there. That's what a shotgun
does so that we have confirmed his face is basically blown off. We're not going to let
him kill somebody, a hero like Gary Webb and that's obviously, this should be treated as a murder,
as a homicide and then ignore that and I just want to say this before we go to Chico Brown
and back to Selly. Yesterday the paramedics went public in England with Dr. David Kelly,
the top UN weapons inspector from England who said that there were no weapons of mass destruction
and then he told an American colleague and a British colleague that quote if I don't shut
up they're going to kill me and put me in the woods. I've been told this and then a few weeks later
he was found dead in the woods and the paramedics have gone public and said look
his wrist were slit and there was no blood at the scene. We've been to suicide. If you bleed to death
there's blood. Princess Diana said they killed my boyfriend and Charles has told me they're
going to kill me in a fake auto accident. Then they clearly kill her in the fake auto accident,
crash the car and then don't bring her to the hospital for an hour and 45 minutes total
and then 75% of the British people believe they killed her but the media still says oh no no no no
my point is bringing those up is that they do this over and over again. We saw Fami Malik,
the Arkansas medical examiner with people with two shotgun blasts to the head,
people with arms and legs cut off and trash dumps and they would rule this as suicides.
We've seen cops killed in the Oklahoma City bombing case who were exposing government
involvement, stabbed 13 times, throat slit, handcuffed marks, people tortured with electricity
marks all over them, beaten from head to toe, beatings on the bottoms of their feet and these
sicko coroners will say suicide. Well I'll never commit suicide, Sally is saying you'll never
commit suicide. Now we're bringing up Chico Brown and he runs one of the biggest youth organizations
in LA and of course he's changed his ways and done a great job. He was a co-defendant
with Freeway Ricky Ross, the biggest drug dealer in West Coast history and Chico we appreciate
your courage and your honor in coming forward and of course you were friends with Gary Webb
and got a lot of information for us. Thanks for coming on. You're welcome. Thanks for having me.
Thank you. Tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do in LA.
Presently I run a place called home with a youth center with over 5,000 members for
at-risk kids, kids from you know from different communities of comp and South Central LA.
That program is you know help kids not because I don't want to see them go to prison.
I also have another program called Life on Purpose. It's a computer literacy program that I put down
all the 19 juvenile camps in Los Angeles County because I feel that after they educate the kids
so they won't have to go through the same situation that me and Rick went through and that's you know
going to prison and you know have to go with these prison ways and get along.
And our film crew was just out in LA interviewing you for several days and man you've got a lot
of great people involved in your program like Al Pacino the list just goes on and on out there
helping you. Yeah my biggest one is Penny Morris is here. I mean she helped me on a day-to-day
basis. I mean the Lakers, Brad Pitt, Mark Wahlberg, a lot of different people that helped me in my
organization. Well would you like to tell folks you're not planning suicide anytime soon? Oh no
that's never gonna happen. What did you think when you heard and pop it anytime Selly? I know
you know Selly a great patriot, a great American as well. Tell us a little bit. I mean what did
you think when you got the call? Well I always knew because it always came up one of these days
we'll get that call saying that happened to him or somebody that was involved in this case so
that wasn't it wasn't shocking to me that they would say that because I knew
because he's riding in the car with him you know many times and we just talked about that stuff
and he was like you know he used to tell me you know when it first to case first book I would say
I mean you know I can't feel life and he would say something like you know what Chico you know
I just got to do what I have to do but you know I've been getting death threats and stuff like
that this is where we first the case first came open but again on record he told you he'd been
getting death threats when he was first working on the case continuing now please yeah that's when
the first the case first opened I actually you know when we was going to court you know and all
this stuff started coming out and because I had got out on bail so he came to LA and we wrote around
for a week you know he wanted to talk to me about the case and stuff and so in that conversation
he was always saying you know I you know I get death threats all the time Chico and so to me
when it happened when I got the news I actually read in the paper and my father called me and I
was like man that time because he always told me like you know something like that would happen
like you know you know they can get you anytime they want stuff like that and so I automatically
said to myself what the hell my father said he got he killed himself I said yeah right my father
said the same thing you know I just knew one of them that day was gonna happen on that one day
we was gonna get that call I just talked to you during the break and Sally just learned of this we
talked to freeway Ricky from prison last night we recorded it we're gonna be playing in the third
hour or tomorrow we're having to upload it right now but he said the last time he talked to Gary
Gary said this is recently he was being followed by cars he would come home and men I would call
it special forces type but but he described him as government with great skill would literally just
leap down and slide down the drain pipe and run off into the darkness cell he's had people breaking
into his house what was that revelation like for you yeah I can yeah I know because I just think
I talked to him too much I mean about six months ago and when they say it's suicide to me I know
the guy I know he never do nothing like that and but for them to just open and say something like
that I'm like man and then when I talked to Rick mother the day I called her first where her first
was like she couldn't kill them you know you know and that was her first word I said you know Gary's
day unbelievable let me bring selly and selly any comments to this well you know that's that's the
way the government works that's the way that they've always worked because I actually spoke into some
people that had been on operations with the government when they go out and associate people
and that's exactly the same ammo that they've used for years and it's worked and they have a month
carte blanche to do just about anything and get away with it you know we saw it with the Cuban
we saw it with the with the different kinds of hit squads that they bring down to the U.S.
to commit this atrocity now selly you're you're a unique expert on this subject I mean you were
I don't want to call you an assassin but a highly decorated Vietnam sniper then the head of DEA
operations in Latin America witnessing all this death squads and stuff going on in drug dealing
and so when you say this is the M.O. I mean how can police then just automatically suicide case
closed how do they control local Sacramento police to that level well because of you know coming down
from from Washington you know it's every operation is approved by the CIA every single one of them
is approved so they know better than to than to mess around with them because of you know they use
all kinds of techniques you know one of the first tools that they use against individuals would be
like the IRS you get out of it and you know you end up paying thousands of dollars that's the first
tool to let you know that that you know they're after you and they give it why are why are people so
cowardly I mean I don't even think I'm that have that much courage but I'm not gonna let a bunch
of drug dealers ruin our country well you know they're they're they're doing it and and they're
getting away with it that's that's the whole issue here but that's because more of us aren't
standing up well but that's what it is and and that's the problem and we're we're having that
major problem we saw it this election where people thought that it was going to change and didn't
change and we have to take to the we're going to take it to the next day uh chico brown um what do
you think about uh just it seems like the corruption gets worse and worse the good news is everybody
I talk to now it's an open secret that the government controls the drug trade but still now
everybody knows the truth but still the SWAT teams will raid some teenagers house for a bag of marijuana
and ruin their life oh man that's so true because you know when that story first broke and everybody
was excited uh for the LA time watched them post I remember Gary was there you know they
want my story to you and they want my story but he didn't he wasn't willing to give his story to
the bigger newspaper and then there was a conflict right there and you know his story was unique and
it was true you know they had facts and they were like okay if you don't want to do this this is
what we're going to do and then when they were three-page serious denied everything that he said
the work title you know that's why I knew well man we've got we have problems yeah problems like
that you know they can deny all these facts and make it look like it's due to a victim in the
village Alex yes let me just add something to that uh you know I'm an expert witness now for
entrapment and informants for the defense so I get hired or retained by different uh attorneys
and and families from all over the country and every single every single case that I've worked on
for the defense uh we realize and we find out uh the perjury the corruption that the government
is using to uh to uh to destroy families so it does happen there is an ammo on that
we'll be back with Chico Brown and Sili Castillo and I'm Alex Jones
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because there's a war on for your mind we're talking to celly castillo he of course was the
senior da agent in latin america firsthand for years when the cia drug trafficking documented
product covertly fired it and was basically told to shut up then of course tico brown
on who was there a co-defendant with freerickie ross freerickie in prison right now for being
one of the biggest drug dealers in west coast history and of course one of the main sources
for gary webb gentlemen both of your first chico any websites i mean for your organizations any
contact info you want to give people same thing for us ellie yeah um chico at apch.org apch is a
place called home that or and i can be reached by phone at the office uh 323 232 7653 and that's
an email address um is there a website as well yeah uh apch.org apch.org that's your youth center
with over 5 000 children involved i've earned a lot of great work trying to keep them out of this
system yeah and really i found that's the message to keep kids out of drugs is to explain to them
that it's a trap literally laid by the establishment to get them into these private prisons exactly i
mean i'll go out and have a lot of mistakes and speak about what happened to me and rick and how we
were just puns that a whole drug war shella any um um contact info for you well uh you anybody can
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international view on the drug trade but uh i want to go back to gary here i mean he's dead now and i
my gut tells me your gut tells you the m o tells you selly the m o tells you cheeko that he was killed
and i know he'd been working on some new things any hints on what he was working on i know that
the media had been saying oh look he has indicated what he said was true what do you think's going on
here well let me just say one thing that's so simple you gotta remember nobody's done a documentary
on on a rank contra or the whole issue with the cia evolving drug trafficking and maybe that's
what he was trying to put together uh something that was going to expose uh the bush administration
going back uh there's a book called firewall by laurence walsh who who wrote about how they
conspired and how they covered up the whole operation so you know that could possibly be it but i think
that we need to have some kind of documentary out there and to really educate uh you know i'll be
glad to donate my pictures and and my films to do that to that whole uh issue but it's gotta be done
uh you know fernheit 9 11 everybody went crazy you know the most documentary uh thing done that
was nothing and there was nothing and and that's exactly so now we have something that we can
actually go out there and not don't let um here is that be be a denial to everybody else that needs
to be educated or or uh uh into what's really going on with the government and what about
also trying to force the local police to have it as a murder investigation well we can do that i guess
the people who know he's been saying he was getting threatened and stuff just should call the police
and call the media and go how dare you you know i i just wrote a a story on a soldier of forging
magazine and uh felix came on and and you know he said now it's been with uh how they killed jay
gorara and and and bolivia and and my point is they took him out because he was being threatened
and and at the end of the day they found out that he's an icon now and and they go out and do stuff
like that so we can't let gary's dad just go unnoticed and we have two forms yeah that's the
point they turn they turn people into martyrs yeah and and we gotta do something to you know
his death uh not in vain and so forth and and we gotta do something we just can't let it uh
talk about it for a while and let me get a comment from chico on that no i agree that's
we're gonna focus on this chico comments to keeping gary's memory and work alive we definitely
gotta do something um you know like you said do a film about the situation i think if the mass
public know it really goes well it went on and so these documents that gary has a lot of people
have that i have that people never seen them not and just know what went on in our courtroom
when he was willing to testify and they talk about you know the cia was there and everything
that's coming up right now was not allowed to be in rick's trial when we went to court they were
not going to talk about none of the cia involvement even though that we have proof and documents it
was just we went on as a regular little case but we got a break we'll be right back gentlemen please
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there have been several la times obituaries really vicious things going after gary web
and uh richard hindberg author of the party's over and power down observed after reading the
times obituary the la times a bit is disgusting what's our attitude towards investigating
journalism well of course we try to discourage it whenever we can but sometimes it happens anyway
then we get especially nasty we have to naturally to protect our reputation
yeah i love u.s. say today when they said jones raises allegations that schwarzenegger's father
was a nazi i raised allegations that's like i mean that's your journalism yes the allegation
that the sun came up today the allegation that arnold's from austria the the the allegation
that hitler is from austria the allegation that ducks quack that water is wet i mean the media
and i read the articles they did trying to attack where they were never on any information i mean
i've interviewed the people on both ends of it they they catch cia bringing drugs in all the time
here in texas they find tractor trailers full of three tons of coke and the police show up and
say let it go they come and tell the border patrol let it go this is our shipment that's been in the
associated press celly uh castillo of course senior da officer for what seven years in latin america
uh tried to blow the whistle on all this but you're in texas do you remember back in the late 90s
when they had that tractor trailer a cia coke and they made them just give it back and it was
even in the newspaper just oh we just let it go you know we had it for a day but we were ordered
to let it go it was the government's absolutely and it's still continuing just recently uh there's a
a senior de agent that's been involved in drug trafficking for many years for the for the cartels
in mexico and he sells a lot of the information um to the drug traffickers organizations and this
guy's been around for close to almost 20 years now and nothing's ever happened to him because
he's part of the apparatus that that built right outside the intelligence agency that they're
continuing to to finance uh drug trafficking well all these intelligence agencies are like twin towers
uh the corrupt rotten part is a small part but it's the top everybody else knows to go along
and they build right next to it that you know the whole system that that runs parallel exactly
absolutely and they continue to do that and we have the uh the involvement of the government in
in the cover-ups and and uh just recently there were several uh customs agents arrested here in
south texas for for their involvement in in in drug trafficking but again they get busted because
they're low level guys cutting in they're covering up for the main guys uh you know uh uh you know
i see it all the time you know where the u.s attorney's office will purchase themselves
before a grand jury and and it's allowed and see and they do this uh uh alex because they know
that at the end of the year uh the president will pardon a lot of these individuals that work for
them uh george senior pardon a pakistan drug trafficker heroin trafficker right before he left
office um bill clinton yeah uh everybody did the same thing and they're all going to be pardoned
and then george george jr tells dan burton's committee don't go after clinton for pardoning
giant coke dealers and then the media doesn't even pick up on it showing these guys are all just
puppets and that's why they do all this and they get away with it because even if they get arrested
uh at the end of the day they'll be pardoned well celly i'll tell you what i don't like and chicco
i'll tell you what i don't like we're about to bring paul watson in i don't use drugs other than
an occasional surveys uh uh with my mexican food or a glass of red wine with my italian food
i drink one cup of coffee in the morning i mean that's the extent of my drug use but i many times
had the police pull me over asked to search my car and i tell them no and they act like i'm evil
and go what do you got to hide i go it's called the fourth amendment bro don't you want your kids
to grow up in a free country and i'll start giving them a speech don't you know your bosses bring
the drugs in you know they're they're just and by making drugs illegal it puts the profit in it
and brings the gangs in and and criminalizes our society and drives the crime wave absolutely
that's what i try to teach some of my kids at the high school on and criminal justice right
i teach him that uh you know a racial profile is alive and well in texas uh all over the country
and and uh you know you lost your fourth amendment right um and i'm profiling you know well it's true
i've seen it they really on average and i'll see a black cop doing it to a black guy a mexican cop
doing it to a mexican exactly i mean i i mean but it's like it's like we're allowed to be even
meaner to the minorities but i'm a white guy man with blonde hair and blue eyes and they're pretty
mean to me i mean what is this uh chico any comments to me i got stopped every time i turn
the corner so you know so i just thought it was being they went on all around the country
well a lot of people are going to get upset when they put in these new national ID card systems
that passed last week they're going to have hardened checkpoints on the road where they
search your cars like the airport is that a fact no we're we're they're doing that already
they're doing it here in texas uh by the department of public safety they're uh profiling everybody
one of the first questions they'll ask you is for example they'll stop the driver and get him
off and then they'll go ask the passenger what was the last time you filled out your car
and where are you coming from where you're going what are you taking and i thought my kids at once
you get stopped and you say no to the search and they say well you know i'm i'm gonna do that or
i'm gonna bring the dog for public car bring the dog yeah and then what my kids will do they'll
dial 911 because it's recorded and you have an illegal search evaluation of your constitutional
rights also it's recorded again when they say what do you have to hide you need to tell them look
my fourth amendment would you like being pulled over and searched like this and people that i
know go i'll let them search they don't have any drugs folks folks that's the point because you
haven't done anything wrong make them get a dog make them but but listen here's the thing here's
here's the deal people are going to jail in round rock texas for not returning i mean a week late
a videotape to lockbuster hollywood video i have associated press articles where somebody moves
and forgets to return a library book when they come back to town later and get arrested
they're they're charging him folks i know korean war veterans i know an old man 75 years old
no criminal record driving back from the south texas fishing at the at the coast
and they said mind if i search your car and he said sure they arrested him for a full laying knife
a full and they'll arrest old men folks with vet stickers okay they'll arrest old men with vet
stickers uh for having a full laying knife uh in their car they'll arrest people who who i have
friends uh one guy's like 45 years old owns his own company uh you know with the lawnmowers and
trimming yards they arrested one of the members of his crew because there was a machete in the back
folks you use them as a shetty when you're clearing brush and somebody's backyard it was in there with
the lawnmowers and my point is it's like new york arresting somebody because the tip wasn't 20 percent
that was uh new york daily news uh arresting people because they finish a candy bar before
they get on the subway they said they chewed aggressively selly i mean are you seeing the
system where everything's a crime it's funny here in texas you can you can drive around your
truck with an ak-47 it's not illegal imagine that but get a knife or whatever they want to come out
with it you know they can charge you with and it's all it's all up to them and that's why you never
give permission for them to search no matter what never give permission because then if they do it
without a warrant and they get the knife they then you're going to have a defense in court
exactly and seeing once you target those police officers for doing they they have a uh a tail
who we call a cola which means this guy's has been involved in a lot of a civil rights violations
and i think people will start listening to him or or you get a civil rights attorney you just file
on on them and and uh that's exactly what happened just recently a couple of days ago when uh when
the police officers are resting operations on on 18 wheelers and uh they violated the guy
they beat him up and then they let him go and so you know it is continuing to happen and and we
need to put a stop to it here's another example i know old people again i mean the reason i bring
up the old people is because it's an old lady and they got four thousand dollars cash in their purse
no drugs cops go ahead and take it that's mainstream news oh yeah uh we we've got cases
where the old man or old lady has there you know you take they sell it at all the grocery stores
a little pill box where you take the pills you need and you put them for the day and there
when you go on a day trip they're arresting people for having their pills out of their pill bottles
yeah and again i know we've kind of diverged but this is what this whole drug war is about i mean
look at i want to bring paul watson up from england paul they've got the drug war over there
i know you've covered what happened here in texas uh two league of texas 50-something black
people no criminal record no drugs found they just come arrest them and put them in the local
prison owned by the local town fathers and you know what alex is still continuing that there's
two other cases i'm working on test force cases um they're continuing to do the same thing they're
they're taking the money they're instead of taking the guys to the police department they take it out to
a little little ranch a little barn just slap them around and try to get them to confess where the
money's at and and then they then they let them go i mean can you imagine that the task forces
that's why they need to be disbanded and and it doesn't work it's never worked and and it's all
it does is corrupt everybody you're talking about multi-jurisdictional task forces exactly paul watson
comments along these lines yeah well you've you mentioned the drug situation in england um before
the war in afghanistan tony blair publicly stated we will bomb the poppy fields and look at what's
happened since the record level of afghanistan yeah and that you know that represents one third of
the entire world drug trade that afghan gold and crescent and you know 200 billion dollars or more
and so now the reports are you know record levels of heroin and opium on the streets of london and
tony blair promised that he would bomb the poppy fields so they're bringing this system in which
ties in with exactly the same kind of police state measures that are being introduced in this country
as they are in america things like the id card and internal checkpoint so it's it's the same system
being introduced at the same time we've been covering the obvious murder and i'll say it it
should be a homicide investigation of gary webb some incredible revelations paul listening the last
hour do you have any questions for chico brown or for celly castillo concerning these this murder
well my thoughts i as you mentioned before are the the media complicity in the in the
reporting of the death you know aside from the fact that so-called suicides related to the
bush crime family beyond or you know akin to winning the lottery jackpot twice with two tickets
and the media have been complicit in that they they calmly reported the cause of death and they've
now since amended a lot of the articles to try and hide this to be shotgun wounds that wounds
plural to the face now number one if you shoot yourself in the face you're not going to be
you know any kind of state to pull the trigger again that's right the original article said
wounds were you able to save that well there's still some of them that still say rooms that change
most of the others that's what i'm asking we were able to save that before we catch them a lot going
back in editing so exactly and again they don't retract it to say they were wrong they just take
it out let me get a comment from celly on that celly absolutely right they they you know they're
not smart enough to try to keep it glued together and they end up making a mistake and that's what
it is when you lie about something you forget about what you said in the in the past and
you know if it was the truth and they would have been it would be a solid solid case on it but
you know they they do that a lot and they that's where we we pick up the bits and pieces to know
that these people are lying to us chico brown now what do you think about that's a good point
paul brought up first it's wounds and now they're going back and trying to change it yes i think
ought to cover it it says appeared gunshot wounds to the face and that's the same thing i said yeah
wounds wounds yeah well that's like two shotgun wounds the back of the head it's impossible to
shoot yourself twice in the head of the shotgun there's also a very similar case that happened a
few years ago at el toro where that colonel up there was trying to uh let's get ready to blow
the whistle on the on the government's drug trafficking that's right it's a military base
talks about the marine colonel that that was shot in the back and he also committed suicide
according to the uh the military i mean how do cops come and stand over a dead colonel
who stood up against drug dealing and seem shot in the back and go well we don't want this to
happen to us because we're little cowards yeah let's just shut up exactly well none of us are
safe when we have that attitude we've all got to stand up paul watson well yeah that's another
one of the aspects to this and there's been this argument of you know why kill him now after all
his great reporting has already come out obviously as you've been talking about he had new information
that he was working on which was on the way and you know it would have been easier to get rid of
him now but you know in a time when he was out of the spotlight rather than later on when he's back
in the spotlight but also you know it's a fair assumption to make that this is also an extreme
show of uh brewed intimidation to anyone else out there with the same kind of sensitive information
whether that be related to the dia drugs issue or any other issue i think you're not all that
will be consequences yes because uh now they're going to be taking steps to do uh things that
have been done before covertly but now it's not going to be covertly they're just going to go out
there outright and just do whatever the heck they want to do and if anybody wants to complain about
it or whatever then that's the sign here we are we got the gary web kill that's what you want to
happen to you or to your family you know you know try to try to stop us and that's what's going to
happen they're going to come after anybody who goes against them you know i'm going to do something
and i know that uh i'm going to let unless he wants to stay with us and he's welcome to
chico go here in a few minutes we've taken so much of his time but i want to try to keep selly
a little bit into the next hour if you can do it i know he's busy as well but regardless i
want to keep the lines open here for only police officers or retired police officers
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and to use it against the new world order and and we gotta go different you know we need to go to
the universities and lecture to them about what happened gary web because those are going to be
the leaders of our country one day or people that we really need to go out you know grassroots
individuals that they need to be educated in a uh you know i'm part of a group called people for
peace and justice now and there are a whole bunch of young kids and when you talk to them about the
cia and then the involvement and atrocities straight into that's what's on board that's what's
going on in columbia right now see and they're not aware of those situations and we need to
educate them uh bring them up to par on the whole issues of what what our government is doing uh
chico chico anything else in closing you want to add i want to thank you for coming on with us
all right um well yeah you're right people gotta just stand up you know we all in this position
where at any time something can happen but that that's not changing my mind and my thoughts of
what gary believed and what i believe in and you know and that's the truth of what happened
in today's society for especially drug trade and how the government was involved
you know like you said we don't record so whenever you know if something happened to me
and i didn't kill myself that's for sure all right well uh keep up the good work with the youth
center there in los angeles and give us that website one more time it's uh apch.org you can email
my email address at chico at apch.org all right uh chico brown thanks for joining us you're welcome
thanks for your courage we'll come back with uh celli castillo and uh paul watson and uh some of
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ed you say you've got some uh interesting inside dirt for us uh tell us about it
throw my desk uh yeah uh hello can you hear me yes sir okay yeah i i worked for a small agency
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had jury duty a couple times i tell them right off the bat that i've witnessed this before
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under there um as part of the job i'm under their authority so i
boy that's just classic his cell phone cut out are you there yeah i was gonna say that yeah
and and and call right back in but but yeah even tell them the dispatchers falsify reports
sally yes sir you ever heard of dispatchers falsifying reports oh absolutely uh you know
but one of the things that now it's computerized based on a 911 everything's recorded so then they
always claim it malfunction yeah well see that's the other thing yeah or the camera wasn't working
or so forth or the surveillance camera yeah but they do that all the time and and that's how they
able to get away with it how do they get so many people to be corrupt just it's normal now well
it's normal see it and everybody's cocky about it now they they're so blunt about doing what they're
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we'll be able to play the freeway ricky ross interview that kevin booth did with him of course
we're talking about gary webb shotgun in the face uh the report first was multiple
shot gunnings but but but now they're they're not retracting it they're just they're just
removing it uh and again he was the big preeminent uh meet uh mainstream media reporter
journalist who'd expose government complicity in the drug trade with the cia ricky ross was
one of the main cia dealers uh there in the california and he learned from uh this office
basically we're making a drug war film last night from kevin booth uh that uh that gary webb
had died and he said oh man he told me there were people at his house people you know with
people you know with special forces style would shimmy down the drain pipe and run off and we talked
to chico brown uh gary webb had told him he'd been getting a lot of death threats this is just
over the years uh he'd been being followed recently and uh he's dead committed suicide
supposedly no investigation and you're a former law enforcement officer uh celly castillo the
head of uh the dea for latin america i mean i would investigate this is a murder investigation
isn't it a a no brainer exactly you know it's common sense will tell you you need to do what you
got to do and and do it right but when you've got people pressuring you from from the chief of police
or to anybody else to do the right to do uh what they're asking you to do and and uh i remember
gang washington dc uh came all the way from washington to salvo to tell me to use the word
alleged because uh there was no proof that the that the cia was involved in drug trafficking and
i mean he came all the way down here to try to tell me how to do my job and and and uh you know
that was uncalled for and that's when i started to document you know everything that i could uh
especially his his uh you know i got him documented the timing date when he came up and told me to
use the word alleged paul watson i mean there's no way to deny that you put men with covert powers
in around hundreds of billions of dollars and it isn't going to become corrupt overnight but this
system was corrupt to begin with paul well that's exactly the case the point you mentioned about
you know why no investigation i mean here in this country it's legally imperative that there is a
public inquest on anyone's death where the cause of death isn't totally clear you know clear cut with
witnesses um so i don't that should play out in america obviously with these high profile cases
they don't do that going back to the the gunshot wounds i've got two separate ap reports the first
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get them posted within minutes of their release says gunshot wounds the second ap article which
was reposted in the seattle post intelligence say single gunshot wound and then the guy that put
the obituary from one of the big newspapers i'm still trying to confirm which newspaper it was
but he said that the coroner told him that web had multiple gunshot wounds so that's you can't
argue that that's just a you know a difference in grammar between wound and wounds it's clear that he
had multiple wounds is what the um journalists do put the obituary for one of the newspapers
that'll be clear a shotgun unless it's shooting slug shoots out uh multiple pellets but but we're
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jerry web bullet surprise winning author of the dark alliance series of the san jose
mercury news everything totally documented ci drug trafficking into this country we talked to
freeway ricky ross's the big ci dealer we talked to his co-defendant chico brown in the last
hour we're talking to selly distillo of course the senior dea agent for almost seven years
in latin america publicly saw the government dealing the drugs bringing them in fueling the drug planes
and selly before we went to that break you were to start over again i mean i mean clearly
you've studied this you were a sniper yourself in vietnam but clearly you know how these these
globalist criminals work when they went into his dark house i asked do you think they clearly killed
him i mean the evidence is there he said he was being had been death-threaded had people
you know shimmying down the pole down the water pipe coming down from upstairs several times when
he come home recently being followed by cars and please continue start over and tell us
how you think it went well i i think that i think that you know my my theory behind it i think
that that happens all the time but i think that that gary was working on something huge
and i think what he might have been working on it's just my guess now i think he was working
on carlos lader's case uh carlos uh there was a lady called called barca well you told people
that he was working on something new and big yeah and and i think that that's what it was
called barca was a lady that started in his book that initiated the whole case in dark alliance
well at the end of the day we found out that she was married to carlos lader and carlos lader
was the biggest drug trafficker ever extradited to the u.s he was the co-founder of the mating
cartel and he was supposed to be coming into the u.s to do life without the possibility of parole
and uh he's been out of prison for several years after he testified against noriega and he's worked
with the cia for since then so he's been up at about doing his business with the cia and i think
that maybe garry you know maybe that was the story that he was working on i i don't know i'm not
sure but but but before the break you described how they like to do it i mean uh you know describing
how this may have gone down as he uh that night in his home yeah well you know we talk about
you know the colonel and and out or the same thing uh with a shotgun uh same m o uh committed
uh allegedly committed suicide and uh and uh they do that all the time they they find this
freelancers uh they go out there and they're they're you know they go out and they kill people for
for the agency or use people from the agency and they're all uh acts uh law enforcement uh or
military guys that uh that actually believe that they can they can go out there and do do that and
get away with it and and they do it most of the times but before the break you were you know
describing how a lot of times this goes down that they probably talked to him beforehand can you
describe that for us oh yeah well on that issue is you know they probably uh came up to him and
they like to do that they like to tell you why they're gonna do you and and i remember seeing
that in salvo doran and Guatemala they call you know what um today's payback day you know
where all the shit that you've done and uh you're gonna go down and and it's up to you to go uh
you go easy or you go hard so it's up to you and what do you got and you know it's like
i remember uh cia guy telling the guy before he killed him in uh selly i understand you're doing
this for documentary purposes just be just we have a lot of children listening but please be
careful with any language okay i mean i understand this is a this is a murder we're talking about
and it's pretty obvious but yeah that's what i've always read i mean i'm wasn't a law enforcement
head of latin america for the dea like you were and i don't have all this experience i wasn't a
sniper in vietnam but but just from the criminology i've read and what i've seen people i've talked to
that this is uh what how they like to do it you walk in and they what hits you with a taser
you wake up in the in the chair and they say we're about to kill you for what you've done
yeah and and they tell you it's up to you how you want to die you want a guy slower you want to die
fast and but you're you are gonna die because we need to know this we know that and uh you know
can you just imagine sitting there uh figuring that it's the last few minutes of your life and
and and then they they do you the way they do them with it with a shotgun and and it's devastating
but that's that's the way they've worked that's the way they've done them most of the uh
operations that i saw them do and well i know it's painful for you to talk about as you were
friends right and and you know and and the thing about it i kept telling them no what you guys are
doing is completely wrong i mean it's illegal and so forth and says you know uh we've been
but you said we're gonna stop us and this is the way we do business and this is what you would
talk to these people when you were down there oh absolutely and i would actually just walk out
walk out of the room and because uh i remember one guy that said you know uh you know if you
tell us we'll let you survive and after the guy finished spilling the beans he said well you
know now you're gonna die so wait a minute you said i was gonna i was gonna live he says no
you know we decided that you're a coward and that uh you know and the guy was waiting for his life
because uh he had a family and so forth and this man and and they whacked him simple as that well i
know this just a little advice to those out there i'm gonna fight people can be guaranteed to that
man come in my house somebody's aiming a shotgun at me you're you know yeah you you know you try
to take a couple with you and and uh everything fine if you do anything you don't and the thing
about is that i think alex we're at the point that uh we've made our peace with whoever we have to
make a peace with and and everything else is gravy you know if you talk they will come and and they
will come but it's just a matter of time and when they're gonna be doing that but
but as more people stand up as millions of people speak out they can't get everybody
well exactly and that's what's gonna happen people are gonna finally realize that uh
it's gonna be one of their kids and then they're gonna try to try to say well let's do this and
let's do that and it always happens the way history will show that people will not get involved you
know it happened with hitler remember hitler you know they all knew he was doing it and they let him
do it and got away with it and then they've created this monster that they couldn't they couldn't
destroy well let me try to bring paul watson and let me try to go over that psychology i've found
they normally don't just kill you unless it's organized crime separate from the government
for revenge it's normally because you've got a piece of evidence that is source material original
source research that will burn them then they'll kill you they'll have a plane bomb your house and
say your gas main went off i mean they'll they'll do whatever it takes uh and so so many people that
have information creep around with it and then and do end up getting killed and it looks to me
from the sources i've talked to that gary was working on something new and big and that's
probably why they killed him do you think from your gut level they killed him for
revenge his payback or or because he was working on something new
selly yeah no i think it was both uh he was working on something new there's no doubt
about that because he would be not about to give up and secondly that uh it's revenge because he
was being a pain in the ass for them for so long with the cia and and they're involved in drug
trafficking and and because drugs is still a big issue in in america um you know uh he would be the
one to really start something um to restart the whole issue again and and we saw with afghanistan
now with all more drugs coming in and um columbia let's not forget columbia man plan columbia is
is devastating it's it's killing a lot of the latinos down there people are are really getting
hurt on the drug issue and we have a paramilitary they're training those people downing and downing
in iraq to go to salvador i mean to go to to columbia and and start those same operations the same
blueprints they used in Guatemala that they used in vietnam are going to be used in columbia
so that's that's what's going to happen and then it gives them a bigger army of sociopathic
killers exactly exactly and they have their people that go out there and kill people and and that's
exactly how they work you know they'll they'll talk to you real nice and then you know they'll
convince you that uh you know you are going to die today and then how you're going to die is going
to be up to you and and and that's that's exactly i think that what happened to gary they went in
there and and they sent him down and this is look you know it's payback time and number two what do
you got so you know it was both of uh it was a little bit of both in my opinion and so they put
the screws to him yeah uh if he won't talk and they just kill him maybe will but and then again
people can have knife wounds and shock wounds and be blackened head from toe and you can have photos
of it and they'll say on the news yeah it was suicide the suicide and the worst scenario is if
they get caught for example doing what they did they get arrested they get sent in knowing the
fact that when the president leaves he's going to pardon them paul watson i appreciate you holding
during this any um anything you want to both add to what uh celly's been saying oh yeah talk about
the criminology and this is the same case i believe with the so-called suicide of david kelly it's
almost a case that they want to be caught which is why they do such a shoddy job in covering up the
murder because it works on two levels on one level they put out the story that it was suicide and you
know bully the police and the paramedics into towing that line so that story goes out there
placates the general public then underneath that there's all this evidence that it was a shoddy
job which is you know what happened with the kelly murder yeah go over that i mean the police show
up and guys in black uniforms run off there's no blood at the scene the paramedics say that the
pills aren't digested in his stomach he told people they're gonna kill me and put me in the woods
yeah and this again came out two days ago and just with this web situation there was a canned
media response which was oh the poor family surely they just want to move on from all this
and if the family knew five percent of the evidence which they obviously do
against the suicide theory then they'd want a full public inquest and not the hudson whitewash
which you know Blair said he knew the result of before it even started um michael shrinton the
government barrister who was on your broadcast said the same thing that he was murdered that
certain elements of mi5 were unhappy about it he has that from mi5 and as you mentioned the simple
fact is it takes at least 12 to 24 hours if not days to die from slitting your wrist even if you
cut through a major artery and obviously with the crime scene evidence there were only spots of
blood at the scene where there should have been five pints or more and then as you said the men in
black jumps suits and army fatigues around the body the special police units before the paramedics
got there um as the paramedics said they find bodies out there on a monthly basis but in no
other instance was there this massive police and army presence yes we'll be back stay with us
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i was talking to selie here in the break and i don't want to embarrass you selie but i mean
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ever use drugs to see it as a trap not as something that's cool uh how do folks get your book powder
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powder burns at prodigy dot net or you can actually call me and i'll get an address from you and the
number is 956-345-5770 and that's uh that's uh again powder burns at prodigy dot net right
and the number is 956-345-5770 well celly i think that gary webb at 49 survived by children and his
wife i think that uh you know he's had a good full life and i think god uh was smiling down on him
when these when these sickos obviously killed him and i think that he's been brought into heaven and
is gonna uh you know be rewarded he certainly was a good person yes that's that's the very very
sad thing about it he was a good person and all he wanted to do was was do the right thing and uh
you know uh even though he stepped on people toes and and and he that's you know that's kind of
individual that uh that he was uh doing the righteous thing well he had more people like him
he wouldn't be so enslaved right now exactly and and once again education is is the key to this
whole issue you know educate the public educate the kids and and once you do that then you'll
you'll get you might get a momentum going and and hopefully things will change um and you know
just my one last thing i want to say is that i'll be at you know often at the gun show this weekend
in case somebody wants to come by and pick up a video or a or a book and that's at the Crockett
Center that's correct all right i'll i may have been out of town but i may be back by then i may
see you on sunday uh dropped by uh paul watson we got a few minutes left here and we're gonna keep
paul into the final segment get into some other news well thank you for having me uh well thank you
for staying with us here uh right at the end of this segment just a few more minutes selly uh paul
watson uh you know these evil people that enjoy doing this uh i think it backfires on them from
your studies of these type of assassinations uh does it work for them well it hasn't worked
with david kelly but again maybe that goes back to the point that they almost want to be caught
one thing which you could pursue with um garry web it'd probably be difficult at the moment but
um with kelly they got the emails from him kelly was killed on the thursday night they found his
body friday morning later on the emails came out which kelly had sent with him saying quote
this should all blow over by early next week and he was talking about the investigations into the
iraqi wmd this should all blow over by early next week when i go back to iraq and he he sent
that email on the monday tuesday before he was killed the strongest evidence is him telling
other weapons inspectors if i don't shut up will be found dead in the woods yeah exactly but that
email proves that he was in no mindset to kill himself i mean he also said he was looking forward
to his daughter's wedding um later on that month so i mean if anyone close to garry web can you know
who communicate with him by email can get those emails and that's a major line of investigation
celly yep that's right and that's that's what we need to do a lot of people will say well this
will blow over and and so forth and that's why we have to continue to to fight for his cost and our
cost and and and not let people get about what happened to him and then you know um you know
there's the signs are there you know i will tell you today i will never commit suicide but it doesn't
mean i'll get hit i'm with a in an accident and with an 18 wheeler and you know just blow me away
or or things like that there's always accidents waiting to happen or a heart attack a heart attack
exactly and and you know they'll say well you know he had a history of a of a high blood pressure
and so forth and you know records will indicate that and but they will tell you that there's
there's there's a medication that you can take covertly and and kill you uh you know uh give
you a massive heart attack but it does happen and and once you make statements like that then
they'll go to plan b you know the guys that do this though they go around killing good people
that stand up the little folks they've got to have a hellish world i mean when i do something bad my
life it always comes back on me selly you reap what you sow i wouldn't want to be between god
and these evil globalists yeah well they they they uh becoming they they get in denial
denial ability and and that they actually think that they're doing something for the government
that they could be proud of yeah selly take care of my friend thank you sir for having me back with
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rick and william and jim and bill that's all the calls we'll have time for and boy selly was
almost breaking down during a break out was talking to him because he was friends with
gary well but just such a sad story you know the least you can do is just get informed inform others
and selly's got to be concerned i mean he's he's as prominent as gary webbis and he's got photos of
these cia guys and all their names and he saw them dealing the drugs i mean it's it's like terry
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tell somebody that's not true oh why does george bush protect bill clinton block dan burtain's
committee it's the same thing it's so sick and they they laugh at us that we're so naive and done
and they arrest your children and put them in prison for drugs when they brought them in to begin with
it's so evil folks and then the you look at the big private prison companies are the same
ones that are owned by the big families that we know are the biggest drug dealers i mean they
got quite a system set up i don't know how police can go out and do their job triple the heroin
double the cocaine on the streets and there was ten years ago drug war bigger than ever
yeah you've been a great job ruining this country getting a lot of cops kill a lot of
citizens kill the junkies want the drugs those are so expensive nine out of ten robberies drug
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uh that you know real stuff poll watson i want to thank you for riding shotgun with us and
and holding through all these guests and people i want to go to john and and and rick and jim and
bill and then william and others but right now for folks that just joined us uh uh any other
important news you want to talk about things that are happening globally yeah the global news is
the geopolitical situation and that is that china and russia have just announced their first joint
war games um and the two countries are basically following the exact same course as the u.s is being
led down which is preemptive imperial action abroad and you know police take measures at home
um and in the past we've seen that these kind of war games conducted by both china and russia
have been designed around repelling an attack repelling against an attack by the u.s which is
no surprise because certainly neocons don't hide the fact that no matter how large the country is
anybody's a target um in their own recent policy documents and these speeches at the uh jerusalem
summit they again listed france as a military enemy and in fact william crystal from the reports
that he wrote that we posted on the website is now encouraging the u.s to invade south korea that's
south korea not north korea under the justification that they're secretly working with the north
koreans in allowing them to advance their nuke program so in the face of this it's no surprise
that rusher and china are bonding and the man with the soul of love mr puti putis bush calls him
vladimir putin by the way that's true he calls him puti put yeah at the ranch that he's pet name
that's nicer than my nickname for you what he want but um putin came out publicly uh in the
past few days and said that u.s was a dictatorship for instance tearing in the ukraine situation
so now richard pearl we have a chilling of the love fest chilling at the love fest so pearl and
people within the y-house to begin into question whether busher should be seen as an enemy again
but the overriding factor is that you know the neocons can't really have any complaints because
what's happening in the u.s internally is almost as bad as rusher and china uh putin just abolished
the elections of regional governors by popular vote um you know how different is that from the
the growth of federalization the growth of government in the u.s in regional governors will
keep the systems in line fear oh boy and uh china just arrested another group of intellectuals for
criticizing the government so how much different is that from the artist who was also almost arrested
for creating the picture the bush face made out of monkeys you know that and they shot their
the entire art exhibit down in new york yeah and i saw the picture it was no big deal bush's face
made up a bunch of images of monkeys and then they shut the art exhibit down and we may arrest you
you talked about the great leader oh my oh my oh my it's just like high school students who get
arrested for um having t-shirts and bush on them saying not my president naturally bring the police
in and arrest them but then again that's nothing compared to you know the the 10 year old girl
who was arrested for bringing a pair of scissors into school she pulled her scissors out during the
craft time when they had their little scissors almost cutting and they had to arrest her just
a little dangerous so again they're both following the same part is internally and
geopolitically but it seems that that you know following the same road but going in different
directions so it seems that some organized chaos later on down the road is in the pipeline to create
this global horror that the globalists need to pull this is a precursor to the new world order
after the next big terror attack the draft comes in the real war starts the real wars which will
require um it was for north korea the 600 000 troops so i mean all the people who speak out
against this draft saying there's no need there's no way they need a draft they've got plenty of
reserves plenty of troops to fight these wars well that's not the case when you get you know
onto the borders of north korea and then china then they will need the full draft
i tell you the globalists have really set up a mess
meanwhile do you see this article in its mainstream news folks a satanic
blood ritual and orgy manuals handed out to the middle school students
yeah just completely by accident amongst a set of other material i forgot what it was
related to now but something mundane just by accident amongst it are these satanic
which blood ritual manuals which just you know casually got handed out amongst the students
and i believe that came down directly from the police so just an accident again well it's all
very christian i mean skull and bones is christian paul i tell you and then the real the real christianity
i mean we've got that the article out that monday evening standard today third of people don't know
jesus's birthplace that's what i am oh i'm smart so the real you know the real education on christianity
even if you're not a christian you know the basic tenets of the bible and how to live your life which
is you know successful and moral that's all being suppressed and even turn into hate crimes in
canada and now the u.s where france just passed a law where you criticize or say you don't like
homosexuality several years in prison and over 60 000 fine yeah that's the definition of thought
crime uh homosexual movement preaches uh tolerance doesn't tolerate any criticism of it and that's
not being run by even the homosexual leaders of those movements it's all coming down directly
from government who then legislate this into law to make it the the pretext for shutting down any
kind of free speech it's scary folks this whole thing is just is just unbelievable let's talk to
and we're gonna go quickly to calls well thank you for holding for eons we'll give each color
about a minute or two john and ohio go ahead yeah we may not know the identities of these slime balls
see i connected slime balls were carried out this crime against truth and courage and humanity
but i think they're the underground but i think we know the overground perpetrators
uh it's the media it's the new york times it's the washington post it's the los angeles times
who did an assassination attempt on him on on garry webb for his uh when more and more people
became aware of the credibility assassination credibility of character assassination and
they're doing it now post posthumously and i think we got to realize that we can go after them
and uh i was uh recalling the fair dot org organization the media monitor which has become
kind of watered down in recent years but originally their editor went to the new york times which is
one of the biggest conduits for ci disinformation and he asked them why they weren't publishing this
evidence of ci involvement in drug trafficking into that's available in the public record
and uh they're a top investigator reported told them we're never going to allow that information
to get to the public that would destroy the system but because it was not in in public
uh in a public forum they could admit this kind of stuff and i think people have got to realize
that the cia even according to carl brunstein he couldn't get written in his own uh washington post
had to get written in an alternate magazine years ago that all of the top media the networks
the new york times washington post time newsweek had not collaborated with the cia all throughout
the cold war and planting false information to frame up countries for attack that npr
pretends to be an alternative it's uh chairman pevin closes a former head of all ci foreign
propaganda broadcasting no i know thanks for the call i appreciate it again fox news one of the
contributors to the uh to the special report with the bread humes of mpr people it's a joke folks
it's a joke uh let's talk to uh comments paul well yeah the the character assassination hasn't
stopped either uh miami herald um with the headline um you know web's research based on
discredited reports when the congressional investigations which proved it i mean you've
just had a you've formed a head of dea you would witness to it so that the character
assassinations continued the obituary in the la times was scathing as well which is why we're
going to put up this page later on today um with all this evidence thrown in with these interviews
today which will counter that now the real of the real obituary uh william uh i believe it's
dr deagle what's going on um hi alex hello yes time today hello yes sir go ahead great you're
still off because all of a sudden it sound like it disappeared um too i want to come from a different
point of view i know delta special ops and navy and so on and everything you say and your experts
say just now is absolutely the truth these drugs are coming in and i'm going to ask them if they're
listening now and a lot of them are christians and they've seen these drugs come in on naval ships
and c 130s when they're coming back from afghanistan and iraq i want them to speak up and call this
radio program today or other days and as we stand up on the tens and the hundreds and thousands
we're going to start coming against this drug war and then i wanted to mention two other things
that haven't been mentioned so far the war on drugs is also a war on pain patients and pain
doctors and where's all this money going it's going into weird projects that we don't need to discuss
but the trillions of dollars in the last number of years and it's diverting the very basis of the
uh constitution which is that the congress determines where money is spent and there's
trillions of dollars that's coming in illegally to these weird projects that we
can discuss on another date yeah the drug war is hundreds of millions a year that i mean that the
globalists make off of it then they make money fighting it and set up the police state and then
they're persecuting people are dying they can't get their pain medications and they're putting
doctors like dr hurwitz now in virginia is going to jail looks like multiple life sentences are
trying to treat pain patients this is the end of america and if people don't speak up now and that
means you people on the front line that are in cia and dea you've got to start speaking up now
because you're on the inside like i've been and you've got to speak up now or you're a miracle
will be gone and the system will destroy you whether you serve it or not thanks for the call
and we've all got to stand up we've all got to get involved rick and jim you'll be our final
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have a question for you sure if you were to be given the choice between appearing with bill mar who
yucks it up with former cia directors you know war criminals or with john stewart who yucks it up
with henry kissinger and another uh various uh work mills or with george norry who is a friend
of the people uh which whose show would you uh choose to appear on george norry i that that
shows bigger than uh the daily show and it's bigger than the other one well here's my thing sir
with your permission i have email addresses for george norry and for the producer of coast to coast
a m i believe we need to have you on uh i need to we believe we need to take the initiative here
because the government's going to crank up the this information let me tell you let me tell you
web yeah yeah they do have me on that show on a routine basis and that is a good idea uh
to to go on i don't want to lobby them but no i ask your audience sir and i will be part of that
effort to email george norry that's george at coast to coast a m dot com and to ask him to
put you on for an emergency uh uh gary web program and uh that's george at coast to coast a m dot
com and there's uh the producer also is coast producer at aol dot com that's yeah yeah producer
at aol dot com yeah i don't want to tell people to lobby them because they are i want your audience
to do so sir yeah well they already have me on and they're and they're great folks but they'll
do what they need to do okay george at coast to coast hey listen listen i hear you rick and you're
too kind i i just you know they they have me on and when they want to have me on they will
and people do ask to have me on that's probably why they do but i don't want to
tell folks to lobby and do that but it is a good idea uh paul anything you want to say about that
well besides that in you know after i get off the end in about two hours it'll be all over the
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uh you had mentioned a number of times in your film's how the government was so good about uh
covering up all the evidence that weco they bulldozed everything ruby ridge uh the shooter there
was the same one that was that uh weco and uh you were talking about the attitudes of these guys
and the evidence to to get anybody caught at anything well when the government does all that
one of the gentlemen there today mentioned about liars forgetting their lives
and uh dan rather had a segment on 60 minutes and you'll remember the issue came up about
who was shooting first at weco and the doors would tell the difference by which way the shards
yes well the doors conveniently disappeared that's what everybody was told when they
cleaned everything up well when dan rather just call me back call me back tomorrow tonight god bless