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	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	All right, my friends.
	We're already into the third and final hour of this global transmission against tyranny.
	And in the last hour, we had Hudson Gibson, expert on the New World Order, and of course, Father Emel Gibson on, talking about the different key issues.
	In this hour, we're joined by Andres von Bulow, and he was the Federal Minister of Defense, or the equivalent of our Secretary of Defense, been in the German government since the 70s, and up until just a few years ago, he was also the Minister of Technology, and he's written a book that, according to Reuters, is a big bestseller in Germany, that translates into 9-11 and the CIA.
	And he's not the only German minister that has said that we're looking at world fascism here, and powerful military-industrial complex institutions engineering terror attacks to scare us into submission.
	And Andres von Bulow, we are so honored to have someone of your stature and obvious intelligence and your courage on this show.
	Thank you for joining us.
	Hello, this is Andres von Bulow speaking, yeah.
	We're going to break here in a few minutes and come back in a longer segment, but for those that just joined us, tell us a little bit more about yourself and then your book, please.
	Well, I have been 25 years in politics.
	Now I am out.
	In the end, I was a Minister of Technology before I was Secretary for Defense.
	Then I had to deal in
	In a commission about the East-West transactions about the secret service of East Germany.
	And this was a very interesting inside story.
	Because on the Western side, on doing deals between East and West, and violating the laws of economics in Germany, in the European community, and the United States,
	It was always two parts which were dealing between East and West and this brought me a lot of insight in the Secret Service business.
	In fact, I remember reading about the huge investigations you did.
	That was massive international headlines concerning Wisconsin.
	And how different governments have actually been working with these people.
	And if you'd like, you're welcome to get into that as well.
	Again, folks, the equivalent of the Secretary of Defense, Minister of Defense in Germany, and then of course technology, the head of that.
	Just absolutely amazing.
	Your best-selling book, and I wish there was an English translation, because I would certainly buy one,
	My wife does read German, but please tell us about your book.
	Well, I was writing another book, and then 9-11 happened, and it was strange to me watching.
	Well, we all were horrified what was going on, and we said, well, it's impossible, and how can a crew of people manage to do such things?
	At the first hours we didn't know who was it.
	Then within hours came out that probably Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was behind that.
	And then within two or three days these 19 people came out.
	And my objection was, or my
	Looking at it, to whom make it bring good?
	And I found out that it's rather damaging to the Islamist world.
	And, uh, perhaps it might be not only a terrorist attack, perhaps it might be a covert operation.
	And I watched the scenery going on, what the American, uh, government is... Uh, Minister, Minister, we've got a break.
	We'll be back in three minutes.
	Absolutely, we'll go into this in great detail.
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	We're talking to Andres von Muehle.
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	That's right, my friends.
	It's eight minutes, ten seconds into this third hour of global transmission.
	I am so honored to have on Andres von Bulow, former German defense minister, head of their defense department, and then of course, a few years ago, the head of their technology system, which is at a very high level post, just as high level as the defense minister in Deutschland.
	And he's written a best-selling book.
	I've read some of the quotes out of it that have been translated into English.
	And the title translated is, 9-11 and the CIA.
	And he lays out the evidence of the military-industrial complex carrying out the attacks.
	Also, we're lining up for the show Michael Meacher.
	And he, of course, was the British Environment Minister who resigned over Tony Blair's fraud, and has written articles saying if the globalists didn't carry the attacks out, they certainly funded and allowed them to take place.
	So, if you've got a brain and look at the evidence, it's clear.
	And Mr. von Bülow, a very intelligent individual, has gone over this.
	So, sir, you said that
	On the day of the event, you began to look at it, you began to research it, and from your specific expertise of intelligence and military and technology, you know, heading up entire sectors of the world's third largest economy, please discuss for us your research and how you wrote the book and what really happened on 9-11.
	At 9-11 I just watched the scenery and I said, well, there must have gone something very wrongly, in the wrong way.
	And I watched the TV, for example, and
	In the same minute where the TV showed the planes driving into the World Trade Center, you found these Palestinians dancing and laughing.
	And a few days later, one could find out that this was a fake.
	It was made by a TV crew of the Defense Ministry in Israel.
	I don't know.
	Who brought this TV stuff right in time into the international networks like CNN and CBS and so on and so on?
	And then we looked for the... and then the story came up, this has been done by Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda and these were 19 people of Muslim background which did this.
	And then you could watch at the passenger list and nobody showed up.
	Not one Arabic name is showing up there.
	Then one is interested to see videos because all these 19 passengers must have passed
	A lot of video cameras in these three airports.
	In Dallas, I think, and Newark, and in Logan, in Boston.
	And in Portland, in the North.
	And you don't get this stuff.
	Then we are looking for the black boxes.
	We don't get them.
	And the story how these World Trade Centers broke down.
	They were constructed against an approach by airplanes.
	And the firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning.
	And they said, the fire commander said, well, I need two teams more to fight these fires, and then it's finished.
	So the heat
	It's impossible that the heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the media.
	And then the Feds declared that all the firefighter tapes had malfunctioned.
	Turns out that wasn't true.
	We got copies of them.
	And it did say that the firefighters said the fires were out.
	Others are almost out.
	There's video of people standing in the holes in the buildings with no fire around them.
	We're going to go over the evidence that's in your book, sir, and why you came to these educated conclusions.
	But first I wanted to ask you, have you heard the new developments
	The owner of the World Trade Center slipped up on TV and said that they blew Building 7 up, the 47-story building that wasn't even hit by an aircraft.
	This just broke two weeks ago.
	Have you heard this?
	You're sure I have heard this?
	I follow the whole scenery.
	You know, normally it's not coming out in Germany, it's coming out in your country.
	And it's a fascinating background to research via internet, because all this stuff is broadly spread over the internet.
	So it's very easy to follow, but in the main media you don't get a yota about this.
	Well, I'll tell you what, later in this hour, it's only three minutes of audio clips,
	We will air from the PBS documentary, America Rebuilding, where they admit they blew up WTC7.
	Now that's important because they said that building fell from fire, even though it wasn't hit by a plane, and now he slips up and says, we decided to demolish it on 9-11, but then the mainstream media just ignores that.
	I mean, this is a public admission, sir.
	Yeah, especially because the CIA headquarter in New York was within this building, and
	I think the...
	How do you call it?
	The emergency center for the governor, or no, the major mayor of New York was in this building.
	And it was not hit by a plane, and the fire was very low, and the surrounding steel constructions were left over.
	They didn't collapse, but the building number 7 collapsed in the late afternoon at 5 o'clock, I think.
	Well, from our internal sources, they were running the attack, sir, out of the building and so conveniently got rid of the evidence in one fell swoop.
	This is one theory.
	It might be.
	It's convincing, but one has to get the whole proof.
	But the problem is that the elements for proof are destroyed.
	Also... You find them in Japanese cars and in ships of the American Navy.
	Also, sir, we have Norad standing down for an hour and 25 minutes, but when the golfer Payne Stewart went off course for 15 minutes, he was surrounded in 18 minutes by five F-16s.
	Why did Norad stand down?
	Well, this is a big question because it happened in 2001 I think more than 60 times that FITO went up to clear what has been done to airplanes which showed some irregularities.
	At 9-11 four planes for two hours
	We're able to drive around, fly around, even one hour going in direction to the west, then turn around and then come back.
	And the military air force was not able to interdict them.
	It's unimaginable.
	And the whole story is totally unclear what happened between the Federal Aviation Agency and NORAD.
	Absolutely.
	Now, I don't know if you've seen the Associated Press, but the CIA was running a drill 15 miles from the World Trade Centers that day, flying jets into buildings in New York and D.C.
	My sources inside the Pentagon, the lawyers who represent them, have said on this show that they were told to stand down because it was, quote, just a drill.
	That's how you get the good military to stand down.
	You tell them, oh, it's just a drill, and that drill was going on at 8.30 in the morning.
	Is that not obvious, sir?
	It's quite obvious, yeah.
	It's so strange.
	And the most strange thing for me is that after two years you don't have a white book which is documenting everything.
	If you are looking for the timetable, for example, you have to make a medium between two or three or five newspapers and radio and TV announcements.
	So, everything is unclear.
	On the other hand, the American government is running, as they call it, a world war against possibly 16 nations without showing what really was the background of 9-11.
	For me, it's impossible.
	Now by that, they admit that 9 of the 19 hijackers, the BBC says 7, but it's 9 are still alive.
	Bin Laden has not been convicted.
	Bin Laden's known CIA.
	You've got Bush meeting with the head of the Bin Laden family that morning in D.C.
	at the Ritz Carlton.
	You've got the General of Pakistan, the head of their intelligence, meeting with the House and Senate Intelligence Committee at 8.30 that morning.
	His second trip in his life to the United States.
	You've got the FBI paying for the houses, the cars, the credit cards of the supposed hijackers.
	I mean, sir, you've got public officials, Mayor Willie Brown, Joint Chiefs of Staff, told not to fly to New York that day.
	That's all admitted.
	What do you say to that?
	It's all admitted.
	So for me, since the official version is not credible at all, it's totally incredible, the second solution is a covert operation.
	And this is a way to influence, to brainwash the American people into a long ongoing conflict with the Muslim world in order to get, to bring
	For example to the oil companies, the last oil reserves which we need for the next decades before finally the oil age is going out.
	And probably behind this is a philosophy of geopolitical thinking that finally China has to be taken up and China is too big and you have to be able
	This is put down in the idea of a new American Century, which has been written by a lot of people which are now in government, like Genie, like Rumsfeld and others.
	Now, sir, we've got a break.
	We're going to get into the project for the American Century, Operation Northwoods.
	Are you aware of the U.S.
	government plan to carry out 9-11 style attacks?
	You mean in the Northwoods?
	Yes, sir.
	You're sure?
	I know.
	Is that not a key piece of evidence?
	Well, this is a key piece of evidence of the thinking of the military, probably in a dialogue with the politics.
	Finally, I think Kennedy decided not to do it.
	But it was... I think all of the... Stay there, we've got a break.
	We'll be right back, folks.
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	For the rest of the hour, we're honored to have Andres von Bülow, former Defense Secretary and then, of course, former head of technology, Department of Technology in Germany.
	And he just got out of government a few years ago.
	He's written a best-selling book, 9-11 and the CIA.
	We have info on that at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
	We'll also be posting this interview on the website here in the next few days as well.
	There's so many facets of this.
	Mr. Vombulo continuing
	With the process of you waking up to what happened on 9-11 and researching it, what are some of the other key points that clearly show that it's impossible that these 19 people did this?
	We know that's a fraud.
	The conspiracy theory is to say they did it alone.
	From your intensive research and your understanding of high-level government activities, what do you think really happened on 9-11?
	Well, nobody can prove what has happened directly, because if it has been a covered operation, then you don't find proofs.
	You will find only indications.
	And one of the indications is, the indication that everything is right with these 19 people in Osama Bin Laden,
	Is that the government is free to show all the proof which is on the table, which is on the street, which lays on the ground of World Trade Center and so on and so on.
	If you have a covered operation, the probability is always that the leftover
	Uh, pieces of, of, of, of proof are taken away immediately.
	And a lot of secrecy is, uh, a band of secrecy is taken over the, uh, everything.
	And this has happened with, with 9-11.
	In Oklahoma City, the same company that destroyed the remnants of the World Trade Center blew up the remnants of Oklahoma City, had that buried under machine gun guard at a private landfill to this day.
	They hold the rubble away from the WTC complex to China.
	They wouldn't let you take photographs.
	Yes, exactly.
	At the beginning, the engineers were not allowed to go to the steel process and so on.
	They had a lot of problems and there was very scarce money.
	You know, to clear up the story of Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinsky, the Republican majority gave out 60 millions of dollars.
	Or I think even 17 it's now.
	And then they started with $600,000 to try to find out what happened in 9-11.
	And they were taken away from doing research and so on and so on.
	And they are upset.
	And the fire engineer magazine is saying, well, it's totally, totally unbelievable what happened with this.
	This examination of 9-11.
	Well, they say it's a criminal cover-up.
	And now, sir, we've turned into a police state.
	They can secretly arrest citizens, secretly execute us.
	They're building admitted prison camps all over the country.
	This is in our news.
	I mean, we're turning into something like the Soviet Union here.
	I can't comment on this, but what's going on in Guantanamo is like that.
	I think, and the problem is if you put people away, like in Guantanamo on Cuba, if you take them away for one or two years without letting a lawyer do them, without showing them what you are reprising to them, without having contacts with families, finally they tell in all court processes
	What the FBI is wanting from them.
	So you get faked evidence from these kind of people if you behave like that.
	Our mainstream news says torture is good and they say they are torturing people.
	That's the Washington Post.
	Is that a concern that our government now admits they're torturing?
	Well, I'm informed that, I don't know whether they are torturing, the kind of keeping them is a kind of a torture, but I'm told that there is an agreement with a lot of states to put these people, for example, to Egypt or to other states where torture is accepted and is done, and then you get the
	The final outcome out of this torture, and you can produce this before German courts or American courts, and try to bring about final judgment.
	Well, that's it.
	We'll be back.
	Long segment coming up.
	And we'll get more into your book.
	We're honored to have you.
	Andres von Bulow.
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	Alright folks, we're talking to Andres Vambulo, and to make this clear, up until about what, two years ago, he was the head minister over the Department of Technology, and before that, in the parliament, he was the head of his parties group on defense.
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	Now, going back to Andres Von Bulow,
	Sir, we were talking during the break and I said, what are some of the other key points that you'd like to go over?
	You mentioned the CIA and insider trading and the anthrax attacks.
	Please discuss it.
	Well, the inside trading, everybody knows that there were news about insider trading.
	I think altogether about $15 billion.
	And there was speculation about the going down of United Airlines and American Airlines, both airlines which were touched by 9-11 and other things.
	And so normally you could find out because I think the American
	The CIA together with the financial department, the treasury, they developed this FinCEN watching the markets to find out speculations about going on terrorist attacks.
	So they could immediately find out there's something going on and they could find out.
	And in this case, in 9-11, the NSA people, which are the guys watching via satellites, the whole transactions going on, on Earth, they said, they told
	The people to destroy the tapes.
	They had tapes about this interior trading and they said we have to destroy them.
	So they are not there any longer for proof.
	Now again, interior trading, that's a good term for it, insider trading or interior trading going on here.
	And 15 million dollars, I think that's a low estimate, it came out the first week, Germany reported on it, France, the US, oh we're going to catch them, record put options against United and American, not against other airlines, but specifically against these, and it led back to the CIA, suddenly they destroy the evidence, again, again, another smoking gun.
	Then you get into anthrax attacks, Bush on Cipro, the most weaponized anthrax ever seen, tell us about that.
	Well, there the question just is, who has the responsibility for this?
	Because, you know, it overlaid the whole public debate, what was the background and the reason for 9-11, for weeks.
	Because these attacks were going on for weeks and weeks and weeks, and finally nothing came out.
	We have no report on who was responsible, who did it,
	And this, again, is amazing.
	I think it belongs probably to the cover-up, the psychological cover-up of the whole scenery.
	And then the Vice President and the President asking the Congress not to go too much into detail about the background of 9-11.
	What does this mean?
	And then, until now, what the President knew before 9-11 is a total secret.
	I think there is no secret service around the world which gave not hints to the American secret service community, the CIA, the DIA, and so on and so on.
	They did nothing out of it.
	And the most disturbing thing is that these guys, which knew about something about coming up 9-11, they were cut out before.
	I mean, the local level, the regional level of the FBI offices, they knew quite a lot and they forced, they tried to force the central,
	The central organization to go into the details about Arabs taking lessons in flight schools and so on, and the guy who decided on top, I think it's the second man within the FBI, he told, no, we don't do this, and he got promoted after 9-11.
	By the way, the U.S.
	embassies that allowed supposed al-Qaeda back in,
	Got record cash bonuses.
	The FBI agents that ordered other FBI agents not to stop Al Qaeda, they got bonuses.
	Bush signed W199I months before 9-11, ordering the FBI not to stop Al Qaeda.
	They threatened to arrest FBI agent Robert Wright if he tells us what he knows.
	I've interviewed his lawyer, David Shippers, who knew about the attacks beforehand.
	He went to Bush.
	Bush wouldn't talk to him.
	Ashcroft
	Wouldn't talk to him.
	And you said something very astute, sir.
	You talked about the anthrax being a psychological cover-up of the scenery.
	That is, all these questions in the early days coming out about 9-11 got blacked out by the anthrax attacks.
	And that's absolutely why that happened.
	And we've tracked that back to Fort Detrick, Maryland.
	And they said it wasn't weaponized anthrax.
	It turned out it was the most weaponized anthrax ever seen.
	Yeah, that's absolutely correct.
	And then the wars which were reasoned to be as fights against terrorism.
	The war against Afghanistan to put out the Taliban, it was decided long before and I think in June before 9-11, the Pakistan government and the Indian government was
	They were told that there will be an intervention in October.
	And also, 44,000 U.S.
	troops, 18,000 U.S.
	troops were in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
	Bush had the battle launch orders on his desk two days before 9-11.
	Yeah, that's exactly right.
	And I want to digress, sir, back to torture for a minute, because you have impressed me.
	I mean, you know so much about this.
	You've researched it so well.
	On the torture issue, General Rick Baucus,
	Quit Guantanamo because he quote refused to torture the people there and the CIA section chief bragged in the Washington Post that they fly them to foreign countries and the CIA tortures them themselves.
	So they do admit the torture.
	Sure.
	I can't, I can't comment on this.
	It's, it's, it's obvious.
	And all the, all the court proceedings against, for example, Maasai, I think it was the 20s, normally supposed to have in each, each aircraft five hijackers.
	I don't think so.
	Al-Qaeda, as the government is telling, if you don't give these people for cross-examination, then I can't deliver a judgment.
	The same is true in Germany.
	We have some people which are related to Al-Qaeda, or probably Al-Qaeda, because Al-Qaeda is probably an artificial
	The nomination of very loose elements of Islam people.
	In Hamburg, the trials are failing because the American government is not delivering the proof.
	Absolutely, and look, we've had military officers, many others on.
	It's clear, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation, a foggy boogeyman, so the military-industrial complex can carry out attacks, and then pin it on them.
	And we know, I mean, when bin Laden blows up a building, supposedly, our government pays their family to rebuild it.
	I mean, there's the payoff right out in the open.
	The whole background, the whole personal, like Bin Laden, like Al Qaeda, like Taliban, even Saddam Hussein, these are all figures which were handled by CIA in former times.
	So probably they are recycled in the system now as bad guys.
	Before they were the good guys,
	I don't
	In the Balkans, in an operation where the Americans were with the UKG in Albania.
	You find these guys all over.
	You find them in Chechnya, for example.
	And these are also former Afghanis, as they are called.
	And they are driving the global play of secret services, of CIA for example.
	Absolutely, and then they provide the crisis so the big brother can provide the police state solution.
	Andres Vambulo, it's clear that if we do not expose who at least stands to gain from the terror and who was involved in it, that is the large financial interests that own our government, they're going to be able to use America as the engine for quote, imperial mobilization and world domination, as Brzezinski and the PENAC documents and others have said.
	How important is it
	To expose this for the future of free humanity?
	I think it's for everybody outside of the United States it's extremely important because it's a question whether democracy will survive and the state of law is kept up or we are driven by public relation and financial interests and the main thing I think for the Americans is
	Who pays for all this?
	Because if the oil companies get more cheap oil and make their money out of it...
	The American taxpayer has to pay for the military machine.
	Not the oil companies are paying for that.
	Not the military industrial complex is paying for it.
	It's the American taxpayer.
	So it's extremely important.
	Absolutely.
	And now we are paying record amounts for fuel, for petrol.
	Uh, Mr. Vombilo, in this country, while they have record supplies and the oil companies are posting, uh, record profits.
	I want to get into WTC7.
	Because I want people to hear these clips.
	This is from the PBS documentary, and this will just take a minute, sir, and we'll get your comment on it, where they describe how Building 7 fell, how they removed it first after it fell because, quote, nobody died in it.
	And then it's the owner, Larry Silverstein, saying that they pulled it, gave the order to demolish it, on the afternoon of September 11.
	So, Mark, go ahead and hit that clip for us, please.
	Trade Center 7 had always been considered the starting point for rebuilding.
	Located north of the slurry wall, seven had been cleared faster than the rest of the site.
	And there had been no bodies to recover.
	Pelted by debris when the north tower collapsed, seven burned until late afternoon, allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.
	I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.
	I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life.
	And this one, it seems, was poor.
	And they made that decision to pull, and then we watched the building collapse.
	We made the decision to pull, and then watched the building collapse.
	Now, here's Dan Rather, seconds after it collapses, replaying the collapse of Shetland.
	And this is what Dan Rather had to say, then we'll get Von Biele's comment.
	Go ahead and hit it.
	What you're seeing are high shots.
	Now, here we're going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself.
	Now we go to videotape the collapse of this building.
	It's amazing.
	Amazing, incredible picture work.
	For the third time today, reminiscent of those pictures we've all seen too much on television before, a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.
	Again, the seismographs show multiple explosions.
	The firefighters were told to get back.
	Vambilo, how important is this piece of evidence?
	The explosions?
	Well, sure.
	You know, the government has to explain it.
	They have to prove their case.
	They have to prove their conspiracy theory about these 19 Muslims under the direction of Osama Bin Laden.
	That's not my business.
	My question is only, if there are explosions, is this true?
	Can it be that the heat out of kerosene is able to destroy these huge buildings in a manner that they are collapsing in the
	Everything which is on the table is telling that the government story is not true.
	And that must be another story.
	There must have been explosions.
	And if there are spikes on the geological institutions in five states, 2.2 on the Richter Scala, you have to find out what's the background.
	And five or seven days later, the temperature on the
	On the ground where 500 degrees or a little bit more or 450.
	Huge.
	If it's only five flowers which were destroyed and where the fire was burning.
	And the whole building more than 100 floors coming down.
	We've got a break.
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	We're talking to Andres von Bulow, a minister at the highest levels of the German government.
	His last post as the head of technology.
	And I know we've got a lot of callers.
	We only have time to take one or two from Dan in Oklahoma.
	I just want to commend Andres von Bulow for writing his book, 9-11 and the CIA.
	And I would hope that a publisher in the U.S.
	would get it translated and published here, because I would definitely carry it.
	You can find information on the book for those that read and speak German at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
	Andres Rambulo, let's take a call.
	Let's talk to Dan in Oklahoma.
	Dan, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Thanks, Alex.
	Mr. Rambulo, my question is, following this disaster of 9-1-1,
	I understand Germany, France, and Russia, why they didn't want to get involved because of the money that they had invested in Iraq.
	With the military-industrial complex like it is, what do you understand the new world order to be, especially since they said they could use this event of 9-1-1?
	Who are the forces behind government-sponsored terror?
	Who are the forces behind government
	I didn't understand this.
	Well, we know there's this global government now forming.
	We know powerful financial interests are engineering terror attacks.
	Who are the forces behind the military-industrial complex?
	Well, there's always an interesting... an interest if you look at the...
	I think?
	After the breakdown of the Soviet Union, the normal thing would be that we cut down this military-industrial complex, which costs the American taxpayer a huge amount of money.
	And exactly at the same time when the Soviet Union is breaking down, this new terror thing comes up.
	And the first terrorist attacks were
	I think the World Trade Center won, where you found out that the leading guy of this bomb building, this was at this time an agricultural bomb,
	He was immediately going to the FBI and telling them, I tell you everything about this.
	And they agreed about that finally 24 hours before the attack in 1993, they would change the powder, the dangerous powder against an undangerous powder.
	And the FBI didn't come up
	Yeah, they cooked the bomb and trained the drivers and that's another patch.
	A thousand people were inflicted and six people were dead.
	In Oklahoma you had nearly the same thing.
	You had two attacks.
	One was of perhaps McNay and this other guy.
	But there was another attack much more stronger than this agricultural bomb.
	And there is an American general and an Air Force general who had it for I think 10 years or 15 years.
	I think so.
	Demolition charges.
	Absolutely.
	Dan, thanks for the call.
	I hope we can get you on in the future again.
	Andres Frambulo, you've been so kind.
	You have such amazing courage to stand up and tell the truth and we've been honored to have you on the show from Germany.
	God bless you.
	All right, folks.
	We're live.
	It is Friday, the 6th of February, 2004.
	We've got more guests, all the latest news coming up in the second and third hours, so stay with us.
	Believe me, this is vital info coming up.
	We had a lot of requests to re-air the Von Dielo interview, so there it is.
	It's also posted at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
	We need to get a transcript made of that
	So again, coming up second and third hours, please stay with us.
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	It is Friday, the sixth day of February, 2004.
	Coming up in about 30 minutes, we're going to have Sherman Skolnick, who's broken a lot of major stories over the last 40 years as an exposer of the Globalist, with Lenny Blum.
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	We're going to go over some of this and get into what the New World Order is up to here in about 30 minutes.
	In the meantime, I'm going to blitz through news and information and of course, jam some calls in.
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	Jobless rate drops 112,000.
	Again, jobless rate drops 112,000 jobs added.
	Now, last, what was it, last Monday
	The Washington Post reported the official federal numbers that two million people are now, in the next three weeks, and that was a few weeks ago, so now that's happened, are going to go off the unemployment rolls, and then they're not counted as unemployed.
	So you've got millions of people going off the unemployment rolls, and the new numbers come out.
	Why?
	We've added 112,000 jobs.
	It's total smoke and mirrors.
	Here's an example.
	Three years ago during the booming economy, four years ago, from six in the morning till eight at night, traffic all over Austin.
	It would take hours to go anywhere.
	Now, at 530, I can get anywhere in the city in about 45 minutes instead of an hour and a half, two hours.
	There are houses for sale everywhere, people going bankrupt, record foreclosures.
	That's the real economic numbers.
	From Austin, you know, a city of a million people, the fastest growing, richest city according to Money Magazine and Forbes, what, five years running.
	So here we are in Austin, this milk and honey place, and that's the real number.
	So we'll go over that.
	Rail station, suicide bomb, blast kills 40 in Russia.
	And every time we look into this, it's the Russian government.
	They've been caught publicly blowing stuff up to scare people.
	Also, Bush to go and meet the press to defend his record to lie, of course.
	And they had more speeches by the CIA director saying, hey, we never said there were weapons of mass destruction.
	We never lied to you.
	Well, yes, you did.
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	Bush did.
	The states of the Union.
	Don't try to spin it, please.
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	Also, McCain picked for a rack intelligence probe.
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	Howard calls for Blair to resign over all of his lying.
	Also, Utah fears Matrix shared personal data.
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	In the great state of Utah, Army officials up in arms over Federation of American Scientists website, for years, the Federation of American Scientists publishes declassified Army documents of their plans to microchippas, concentration camps, foreign troops, that's where we get a lot of our info.
	Turns out the Army was threatening their website and other sites, and now the Army's having to apologize and go, okay, this was declassified.
	Very interesting.
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	It is Friday.
	I'm gonna launch straight into the news and we got guests coming up here in about 25 minutes.
	Again, the jobless rate, they're saying, has dropped.
	They say there's been 112,000 jobs added, but remember, millions of people just went off the unemployment rolls, so those numbers are cooked.
	I mean, I wish those were real numbers, but...
	It's like the Ministry of Plenty in 1984 always telling you how much better stuff's getting and it's not true.
	NAFTA and GATT are bad.
	They're destroying this country.
	Rail station suicide bomb blast kills 40.
	About 40 people died.
	At least 100 were injured when an explosion tore apart a carriage in the Moscow subway during morning rush hour yesterday with police saying it was probably a suicide bombing.
	Eyewitnesses, some of them, cover with blood, smoke, and carnage when the blast hit a subway carriage between two stations in the southeast Moscow at around 8.40 a.m.
	Interfax News Agency put the number of dead at around 40, with the total expected to rise in emergency officials at at least 100 people that have been inside each subway carriage at the time.
	Now, Vladimir Putin was caught when he was vice president.
	He's a former KGB chief from Stalingrad, Leningrad.
	Give it whatever name you want, they're always changing it.
	Now St.
	Petersburg.
	He was a nice KGB mid-level chieftain.
	They put the puppet in.
	And old Vladimir Putin was caught with his FSB planting the bombs in a fourth building.
	And that's all public.
	FSB's gone public.
	The Moscow police caught his men doing it.
	And many of the other bombings we know are their people.
	And so they just continue to do this over and over.
	We're good to go.
	Bush to defend record on television.
	Talk shows have garnered key role in presidential politics, and Bush is to be on for the full hour of Meet the Press this Sunday.
	By the way, I have another Associated Press article here.
	The White House is doing multiple-staged Meet the Press
	I guess you could call it theatrical, uh, what do they call it when the, uh, troop of actors gets together and does their rehearsals?
	Yes!
	They're doing their rehearsals for it!
	And Bush will go on the Tim Russert CFR program and be thrown softballs and tell us how he never said there were weapons of mass destruction and Saddam's real evil and, uh, give your rights up and we'll keep you safe.
	President Bush suggested to his staff that he appear on Meet the Press on Sunday as a way of answering questions about Iraq after a barrage of Democratic criticism against him.
	You see, it's always Democratic criticism, so conservatives go, oh, it must be garbage.
	A White House official said yesterday, Bush's decision to submit to an hour-long interrogation.
	Interrogation!
	By NBC's Tim Russert comes Democrat John F. Kennedy.
	Terry Howard Dean John Edwards and Leslie Clark have been denouncing him not just on Sunday morning shows but on programs ranging from Hardball and Larry King Live, the David Letterman's Light Show and Jon Stewart's The Daily Show where Edwards announced his Canada deceit.
	The President has stepped up his television presence over the last year or so, granting interviews to ABC's Diane Sawyer, Barbara Walters, NBC's Tom Brokaw, CNBC's Ron Insana, but the time when he was dipped in the polls and is on the defensive over the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq beat the press and its audience of 5 million represents a roll of a dice.
	Well, Bush, I mean, you can just put out some more fake terror alerts.
	That seemed to work in the past.
	I mean, the FBI and CIA have admitted that they were ordered to, quote, issue fake terror alerts to, quote, create hysteria.
	We have a huge fake terror alerts section at PrisonPlanet.com.
	That's a big deal, because if you or I do that, we're in deep trouble.
	And you are seeing Dick Cheney.
	You are seeing Tenet.
	You are seeing Powell and others.
	Running around all over the place now because they're in a lot of trouble.
	But again, they're just front puppets.
	If the globalists decide to burn them politically, they'll just move their other skull and bones member, John Kerry, in there.
	And I didn't spend enough time on this yesterday.
	I spent about a minute on this yesterday.
	The Houston Chronicle, and this is posted on the website from yesterday's sections, the Houston Chronicle reported that Anthony Scalia, one of the Supreme Court justices, he's not a conservative by the way, he's a phony conservative,
	Has committed a crime, and it is admittedly a violation of federal and state laws.
	He is the sitting judge in the court case that's coming up in the next two weeks before the Supreme Court, considering Dick Cheney and his Energy Commission blocking documents.
	You're not supposed to have a judge vacationing multiple times publicly.
	They don't even try to hide it.
	Getting on Air Force Two, having it all paid for, guns supplied, everything, to go duck hunting.
	Just flying around on Air Force Two, duck hunting.
	Now understand, this is petty corruption compared to the $1.2 trillion missing from the Pentagon.
	Yes, you heard me right.
	$1.2 trillion under Clinton and now under Bush.
	It's accelerated.
	It was only what?
	$750 billion for Clinton's eight years of criminal activity and then now they've added
	Now they've added almost half that amount on in just the last three years, so things are accelerating quite nicely.
	We don't discuss that too much, although we should.
	It's no big deal, just in a few AP articles.
	No big deal, not a major news item.
	But to have them committing this felony, and they've got it in the Houston Chronicle, which is a neocon paper, to have them just openly flaunting it, we don't care if there's a court case coming up before Scalia,
	Well, I mean, imagine having a mobster trial and the judge is flying around with, you know, with Don Corleone duck hunting.
	It's unbelievable!
	But look, the reason this article is so important is, is it's right out in the open.
	They don't even hide this anymore!
	And a lot of people are talking about Condoleezza Rice next week.
	First they said Monday, now they're saying Wednesday.
	We don't know.
	She's going to go to that audio sensor shielded room, that intelligence committee room at the Capitol sometime next week.
	Can't even know that now.
	Again, the AP said Monday, the Washington Post said Wednesday.
	I don't know.
	But it says she's going to testify.
	Old Condoleezza Rice is going to testify about 9-11.
	Now understand, people say, well, why is there this commission?
	Why'd they ask for more time?
	Why is Bush giving them more time?
	You know, why have two of the members had to secretly testify, according to the Washington Post, because they were, quote, involved somehow in 9-11?
	The Democrat on the committee got given the import-export bank job by Bush when he left the committee.
	I mean, a public payoff.
	Everybody on the White Wash Commission is involved, and they told us Henry Kissinger, who they first tried to have be the head of it, after the first White Wash Commission fell apart.
	People didn't buy that, so they've just got other less-known globalists, but I've looked at all their bios.
	I mean, it's all CFR, Trilateral Commission, World Government, Bank Chairman, you know, former governors, scammers involved in all this.
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	This is to create a death list, folks.
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	And that's San Francisco Chronicle Associated Press for you, by the way.
	So that's what's going on with the Whitewasher Commission there.
	But don't worry, on the Iraq Commission they're forming, McCain picked for Iraq intelligence probe.
	Whitewasher-in-chief that the media has played up as the man we can all trust, and so good, and such a hero, and total lies as usual.
	Howard calls for Blair to resign.
	Prime Minister Tony Blair should resign because he failed to ask basic questions on claims made in his Iraq dossier.
	Michael Howard said, the Tory leader seized on Mr. Blair's admission.
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	This is how they work.
	They can burn politically Blair, and the Tories all voted for it too, instead of talking about the system that lied.
	Let's just burn a puppet.
	Again, Bush, Blair, Clinton, Gore, they don't run anything, okay?
	One of the overlooked things that Paul O'Neill talked about is how the White House wasn't running anything.
	They didn't even have meetings.
	It was a group above that running everything.
	So let's just get past Bush and Kerry.
	They're all puppets.
	You can forget the presidential election, my friends.
	As we told you
	Months ago, the Matrix System gets every piece of data about you that's out there, public and private, and it's shared back and forth and sold to marketing firms.
	Because so the marketing firms will give data to the government, the government gives it to them.
	Desert News out of Utah, Utah Fears Matrix shared personal data, and it comes out they were giving it to American Express and others.
	And yes, the Matrix System's real.
	Every day I mention the Matrix System, I get an email.
	Saying I'm a crazy kook.
	The Matrix is a movie.
	It's a public, federal operation with the states.
	It's just the name of the echelon system of the NSA at your local level.
	And as soon as you get mad about that, they'll just change the name.
	Idiots will declare victory and the programs will go forward.
	Same thing with TIPS, WAVE, SAVE.
	Same thing with Total Information Awareness.
	DARPA's still there with more funding than ever.
	So that's going on.
	A really important article we'll get to, and I don't even know if this is posted on the websites.
	It should be.
	It's at www.fas.org forward slash SGP forward slash news 2004.
	I can't read the whole address.
	It's just, Watson, please post this my friend.
	Army officials up in arms over FAS website.
	Federation of American Scientists.
	This is a big deal.
	Because as the Federation of American Scientists gets these documents as soon as they're declassified, and posts them about how they plan to take your guns, bring in foreign troops, put microchips in you, I mean, these are official Army documents!
	And I've been reading them for eight years on the air.
	No matter how crazy this show sounds, I mean, this is how they got the DARPA stuff about how they want to put mine control towers up.
	That's where the Boston Globe got it.
	The Army was threatening people who were posting these, now they're having to apologize because they declassified them!
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	Alex Jones, on the GCM Radio Network.
	Alright, Tim, Brandon, Ron, Wayne, and others, we're gonna get to your calls.
	Don't worry, but I need to cover more of this news.
	And we've got guests coming on.
	We're just going to take calls in that first segment with a guest.
	Stay there.
	Okay, you know, I come on the air every few months and I read something that sounds totally insane.
	The government is going to put up mind control towers that send out waves that will calm you or make you ill or kill you.
	And the government says they're going to mount them on top cell towers.
	Now, we've already known they've been testing these.
	These have been put up around the country already.
	They mainly use them in big cities when you're asleep to try to mess up your REM sleep.
	This is admitted, by the way, that this stuff's going on.
	But now the declassified stuff says they're doing it.
	So, you know, again, Boston Globe, stuff like that.
	I don't know if you've heard of them.
	But where does all this come from?
	You see, because this stuff's all 25, 30 years old, the globalists are that far ahead, folks, this stuff gets declassified.
	And the Federation of American Scientists post it.
	And a lot of times, the Army does.
	You know, a concentration camp plan, the work camps that were in place in the mid-70s, declassified in 1997.
	That's in my book, Descent and Eternity.
	I've got that document posted.
	It's on the Army's website.
	It's on the Federation of American website, FAS.org.
	About two years ago, there was an article in the City Morning Herald called The Hive Mind.
	And it went further than the 2000 document.
	It said that the military's main job will be implanting all citizens with our brain chips.
	Now folks, I didn't say that.
	It's the Army official plan.
	And you better watch out, because in 99, the Army War College said they wanted to have a mutual command with Mexico and Canada and bring foreign troops in.
	And then now they made that public two years later.
	So you better watch out.
	They actually carry all this out.
	You understand?
	This is the declassified stuff.
	Can you imagine what's not declassified?
	And I saw that Sydney Morning Herald article, and I sat there, and I called the Federation of American Scientists up, who posted the document, and the working group with the CIA, Army, Air Force, Marines, and the Federation of American Scientists.
	I said, I'd like to have you on about the Hive Mine document, which the Sydney Morning Herald had a link to!
	And the woman goes, how do you know about that?
	That's not supposed to be up!
	I'm not coming on the show and hung the phone up.
	I call back and try to talk to the supervisor.
	They go, we're not going to talk to you.
	And then it was taken down.
	There's so many of these documents.
	These fools keep posting them.
	Well, the Federation of American Scientists is pretty angry right now.
	Army officials... By the way, the Hive Mind article said that we're all... It actually said... It describes the Matrix.
	That we're going to be in these cocoons.
	Folks, I don't care how nuts this sounds.
	Okay?
	They said it!
	In fact, Watson, will you find that document and repost it?
	I know it's... I'm talking to my webmaster for Prison Planet.
	I know we've got it posted in the archives.
	We'll just find it and stick it up there with this article.
	People aren't going to believe this.
	I didn't believe it.
	I don't believe it.
	This is incredible.
	That's why it's a nightmare, people.
	That's why I'm so freaked out.
	And so the new document says they're going to put us in these pods and we're going to be cities of pod people.
	Folks, I'm not joking.
	Do you understand me?
	You understand me?
	I'm not kidding.
	Well, the Army flipped out and started threatening people, started threatening to arrest people who were posting these.
	And we have the emails, the documents, the news articles, it's all in this Federation of American Scientists website.
	The most prestigious group in the country.
	And they go, hey, you gave us the documents, we posted them, and the Army's going, people are paying attention to these, they're getting angry.
	You ought to go read.
	You ought to go read this.
	You really ought to go read this.
	Because I've been railing about this for years.
	I mean, this is where the Boston Globe got their DARPA documents.
	About the, we want to put not just brain scanners on the cell towers, but we want to put systems that can control populations and send out the waves.
	I mean,
	It's not a Twilight Zone episode.
	It's not the X-Files.
	This is real!
	I don't talk about UFOs and stuff I can't prove.
	I don't talk about, you know, Yetis and Chupacabras and Bigfoots.
	I talk about real stuff!
	And this is what they're building!
	I mean, I can't believe it, okay?
	So, I tell you, maybe in the third hour we'll get into this more.
	There is so much more here.
	I've never seen such a news day.
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	From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
	It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
	You know, this show, the stuff we talk about sounds crazy because it is crazy.
	It's out of control.
	Cameras in school bathrooms and showers all over the country and Canada going in is 1984 and is insane.
	Would you ever believe five years ago that'd be happening?
	Would you ever believe they'd be on TV saying how all children need microchips?
	I've got them on video saying it.
	Andy Rooney saying we all need microchips.
	That's in road to tyranny.
	And now we have the Army documents.
	It's getting even worse with their planning for us.
	We'll talk about that some with Lenny Bloom and Sherman Schoenig.
	I know we have Tim, Brandon, Ron, Wayne, Leslie, and others.
	And what we'll do is early in this interview, because I had a great discussion with Lenny and Sherman last night for an hour on the phone at my house.
	And it was very insightful and free-flowing.
	And so callers, we'll just start talking and taking your calls.
	And then we'll get more into how
	Lenny Bloom's great show, number one show in the time slot, was canned up in Canada because he was talking about this.
	And I know how that feels.
	I've been told, shut up about the New World Order, you're fired, we don't care if you have number one ratings.
	And that even came out in the paper in Austin, and I was told to shut up about the New World Order and wouldn't do it.
	It's when you become a success that you have the problems.
	It isn't true that they just, quote, put on the air what gets listeners.
	So we'll talk about that as well and get into Sherman Skolnick's view of what the New World Order is up to.
	Before we do that, I do want to tell the listeners that I have made ten documentary films.
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	Okay, going to Sherman Skolnick and Lenny Blum, and then in this segment, folks, we'll get to some of these calls you've been holding too long, but have your question or comment ready.
	We can all just have like a giant free-for-all here, kind of a roundtable situation.
	Just in a few minutes, because I know you guys don't want to spend too much time on it, and of course, the website's cloakanddagger.ca.
	Hello, Sherman.
	In a nutshell, what happened to the Cloak and Dagger Show that had become the number one show in that time slot in many of the key demographics in Toronto, Canada?
	To give a background for those that may not be familiar with our work?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Since 1958, I've been a court reformer.
	Since 63, 40 years now, I've been the founder and chairman of the Citizens Committee to Clean Up the Courts.
	Our work includes identifying judicial bribery and political murders.
	In the 40 years of our group's work with volunteer investigators all over with over a million records, videotapes, and so on, most all the judges in the history of the United States that were sent to jail for bribery were sent in the last 40 years by our work.
	I'm not bragging, I'm telling you it is very tedious work.
	I've been sent to jail, not because I'm a criminal, but repeatedly for contempt of court because our policy is not with rumors or poison pen letters.
	We have confronted judges in court to their face.
	And Sherman, and they've almost killed you and of course you're also in a wheelchair but that didn't stop them.
	Years ago I used to teach investigation at a radio broadcast school.
	So for the 40 years I've been on the periphery of broadcasting and I know most of the celebrities in there and a lot of their dark secrets.
	And I dare mention a lot of the forbidden subjects, and as time permits, we're going to get a list of the forbidden subjects that Lenny Blum and I and others on his program
	Now, Sherman, in one of your last shows that you guys did, and you do interviews all over the country, but Lenny's particular show that you were a regular on, in the last show, or the next before last show, you had myself and, of course, Andres von Bulow, the German technology minister, on going over it, and the show hit number one ratings, and that's when they seem to can things if they get out of control.
	Lenny Bloom, tell folks about what happened.
	Well, it certainly was a dagger aimed at Big Brother's Achilles heel, and it hit pretty hard.
	And as soon as we put the links to the MP3s on our website, just at the time of the show, as we were going to the show, we linked it up just before the show, about an hour before it,
	And they get their computers hooked up to the phone lines, and they just send a... The computers start... Millions and millions of lines start, basically, trunk lines into the internet, start hitting your server with requests to give the home page, and put up the home page, and it starts to slow down the computer, slow down the computer, and they block you
	And they blocked the public from the site on the internet.
	Okay, well being clear, just saying it in ten words, you're talking about you've had denial of service attacks.
	Oh yes, we've had denial of service attacks, and they've done everything to stop us, and the last straw was take us off the radio.
	Absolutely, we've had all that diagnosed here as well.
	Too much truth was given to the sheeple, and the Bush crime cartel couldn't let it continue.
	Well, I know for a fact that
	When Jay Leno talked about me on the Tonight Show, the owners of Shamrock Communications flew down to Austin, they own radio stations, newspapers, all this stuff.
	They flew down, the guy walked up, actually slapped me on the cheek and said, and this is six years ago now, and said, and I've just become syndicated, and they said, look, if you don't shop about Bill Clinton and the New World Order and this Waco thing, you're off the air.
	I said, but my show's number one, it's making you all this money, I'm getting paid almost nothing.
	Why?
	And they just said, look, we want to keep you, just shut up!
	We've been told, shut up!
	And I said, no, I'm not going to shut up.
	And a couple, you know, 11 weeks later, they went ahead and canned me.
	But then, of course, the show just got bigger and bigger, but that's where it was coming out of.
	So I have experienced this exact type of thing.
	Now, there's a bunch of issues I want to get into, but I promise these callers, they've been holding forever, we'll go to these calls, bam, bam, bam.
	We're going to have you guys for the whole next hour or two, so we'll get into a whole host of issues and some of the latest news and get your take on it.
	Tim in Ohio, you're on the air with Sherman Skolnick and Lenny Bloom.
	Go ahead.
	It's a pleasure to talk to you three warriors.
	Alex, I wanted to ask you, have you ever heard of a publication called The Journal or T.H.E Journal?
	No.
	Boy, it's hard to throw a fastball past you.
	It's called, the T.H.E stands for Technical Horizons in Education.
	I want to send you a copy of this and there's a little thing in the middle where you can get your own free subscription if you want.
	There was an article in there called High Tech
	I'm sorry, High Tech Campus Safety Report was the headline in the article, Creating Safer and More Efficient Schools with... Let me guess, everybody will have to wear an ID badge with an RFID chip that tracks wherever you go in the school?
	Yeah, it's definitely dealing with the biometrics.
	I wanted to, if I could, just a couple of sentences here and let you know, when you read through the lines and you talk to these guys, you can definitely see what's coming.
	Quickly, the most sophisticated non-metric identification systems use smart cards
	And you know, the card is of course the stepping stone to the programmable chip.
	These cards can hold a substantial amount of data and can be programmed or recharged depending on the application.
	Very interesting.
	Hold on just a second.
	Yeah, by the way, they're finding RFIDs and Walmart products all over the world, store products, tracking what you do, hidden ones in furniture, hidden ones, uh, total control.
	Sherman Skolnick, Lenny Bloom, comments on this whole cashless society control grid.
	Can I answer this caller?
	Yes, that's what I said.
	On the website www.cloakanddagger.ca they have an archive of stories jointly written by me and Lenny Bloom called Middle Finger News and if you scroll on it you'll find a story about Walmart being a spy operation
	Working under contract for the secret political police such as the FBI.
	By the way, a year ago, Catherine Albrecht brought that out.
	They got the public documents with Walmart meeting with Ridge and others with over a hundred other CEOs.
	Yeah, so your listeners can read that for themselves and that would be, I'm giving a short answer to a longer situation to your caller.
	Well, the question is, Lenny, how do we stop this?
	I mean, the average person still doesn't even know what's happening.
	Well, after we take the calls, Alex, I suggest that Lenny and I tell briefly what we're doing with the program and what type of subjects we're putting on the air that are considered generally absolutely forbidden subjects to be on major stations.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Let me just add one other thing.
	And that is, it was Von Bulow who pointed out, I think one of the most important parts of the Von Bulow thing, is that Von Bulow pointed out that, asked the question, is there somebody at all who can convince Americans against their media that what's being said about them in foreign lands is different from what's being said to them back at home?
	And that was a key of the Von Buelow thing that at some point today we want to really get into.
	Well, yeah, there's different brands of propaganda for different classes, different countries.
	Very sophisticated.
	Okay, let's talk to Brandon in Colorado.
	Go ahead, Brandon, you're on the air.
	I had heard of something called the Brussels Economic Accounting Surveillance Terminal.
	Well, that's one of the big computers that FinCEN here feeds into and the Interpol feeds into.
	Our state driver's license is already a world ID card.
	The same biometrics, the same numbers, the same standards.
	We already have a world ID card.
	They just don't announce it mainstream, but their own industry documents and press releases are bragging about this.
	And every person on the planet is listed in a data bank, Alex, with everything about them.
	Totally.
	And do you know what they call it there in Brussels?
	Guess what they call that computer they set up in, what, 1982?
	Yeah.
	They call it the Beast.
	Yeah.
	It's actually the person on the planet.
	Yeah, I just thought that had an interesting acronym for that.
	I was wondering, I hadn't been able to confirm whether it actually existed or not because I was looking for it on the web.
	Oh, I've seen hundreds of articles over the decades.
	Yeah, of course.
	Excellent.
	Well, thank you very much for taking my time.
	Thank you.
	You want to comment on that, Sherman?
	One of the things that I have brought out before the public about the media is that of the three major networks, from time to time, one of the networks, CBS, had the secret CIA subsidy, which means they ran their overseas branches
	Not to compile news, very little news came out of the Moscow and London and other bureaus, but it was a vacuum pump for intelligence, and in 88 and 89, the CIA subsidy went to ABC network, and it promoted the Ted Koppel Nightline program.
	Now there's a big fight between CBS and ABC, because the CIA subsidy contract
	Uh, quite a bit of money is being, uh, switched from ABC back to CBS.
	It is a forbidden subject, and, uh, if you try to discuss it...
	As we have a major blow to our station, you get in trouble.
	The public service announcement money from the federal government is the payoff to the networks.
	By the way, it's in the tens of millions of dollars.
	Tune in to all the networks.
	Every drama is about torture and secret arrests and how good it is.
	One of the forbidden subjects, Alex, is currently there has started a week ago a one-year long expected trial of the Bank of England involved in a major scandal involving
	The BCCI.
	Yeah, that came out in the Times of London.
	But the thing that I write about BCCI is that they played a key role with John Kerry, who's running for president, and with the formation of CNN with Ted Turner.
	And that is forbidden to be discussed.
	And it's that type of thing that gets you taken off the air, at least on major stations.
	Well, you know, again, they can target shows that are just on one station.
	And again, I want to state, Sherman, that you say, you know, you have this and you've been saying it for years, but it has come out now.
	I mean, the things you're saying are public.
	So, I mean... The point is, there is no, hardly any news.
	A journalist just called me from London before we went on the air with you, Alex.
	And there's only one person in the public gallery of the trial court in London where Bank of England is on trial for having committed a massive worldwide fraud regarding BCCI.
	Okay, we're going to go back to calls.
	Ron in New York, go ahead, you're on the air.
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	You talked about The Beast.
	Well, that's what that is, but that's the book.
	Of course, as you know, what we're fighting here is the setting of the stage to bring on the Tertallian Antichrist government and the people who don't believe this now will suffer later
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	Includes the ad industry, and the cell phone company, transmitters, and psycho-electronic mind control.
	Big stuff.
	Been going on for decades.
	Yeah, we'll come back, finish up with the calls.
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	Going to get more into some of the Forbidden Subjects in the next hour.
	And, of course, Warrior Calls.
	And I've got a bunch of topical news items I want to throw out at our guests to get their take on it, that I respect their take on it.
	Let's go ahead and talk to Wayne in Virginia.
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	Go ahead.
	Hey, good afternoon.
	Yes, sir.
	Alex, I wanted to ask you, and I'm sure your guests would like to chime in on this, for you to just play teacher for a moment and tell us how this psychological inoculation occurs.
	You'd expect that with the revelations of a movie like Matrix or Minority Report, that when things actually began to develop that reflected those themes of the movies, that people would be indignant and say, you're not doing that here!
	But the movies don't have that effect.
	It actually desensitizes because the way mammals are designed, once we've been acclimated by something, we accept that even if it's horrible, and by the way,
	Stuff like Minority Report comes out after that stuff's already in place.
	The advertisement industry is already at that point of much of what you see in that film.
	Steven Spielberg attends, the only Hollywood person that does, Bilderberg Group meetings almost every year, and that's mainstream news.
	Lenny Bloom, you want to talk about this?
	Yeah, I'll just sum it up.
	If you put people inside a microwave oven and
	Turn on the heat, you're going to start to heat their brains up.
	And they've got these cell sites and they're broadcasting from the cell sites and now you're living in a city, but it's really a microwave oven.
	Come on!
	And by the way, for folks that don't believe that, the Army War College, the Boston Globe, they are saying they want to put mine control towers up.
	I mean, that sounds totally nuts, but that's mainstream news, and again, you wonder why folks can't respond to it.
	It sounds like science fiction, but it's going on.
	Sherman?
	I could just answer that briefly.
	I was the one in the 1970s
	That broke the story of the CIA Mind Control Program called MKUltra.
	And in the beginning, people were so naive, they heckled me.
	They said, Skalnik, why are you talking about a British toothpaste?
	I said, it is not a British toothpaste.
	It's the codename of a CIA Mind Control Program.
	And in the 70s, believe it or not, Alex,
	Only a porno rag in L.A.
	dared run my story verbatim.
	None of the other publications would go near it.
	Not for several years.
	Yeah, Van Buelow talked about how there was the 9-11 story, and there was the cover story, and the cover cover story.
	And it's quite interesting, you know, the self-inflicted wound.
	9-11 was a self-inflicted wound.
	The Bushies struck the blow, and the Arabs were the patsies.
	But they covered it up, and the FBI guys who covered it up were the ones who got the big promotions.
	So Von Buelow said, how come the guys who covered it up so well all got promoted?
	And that's why they took us off the air.
	Well, yeah, that's what scares them.
	And it's happened to me.
	When a show hits number one in a city, I mean, they will buy it, do whatever they have to, to stop it.
	And I've been told, shut up about the New World Order.
	Well, I'm number one.
	Well, we don't care.
	Shut up about it.
	And shut up about the Counter-Reformation Offensive.
	What I call the Counter-Reformation Offensive.
	We've got a break.
	We'll come back and finish up with Leslie and John and David and Phillip and a few others.
	Then we're going to not take calls for 20 minutes or so and get into some of these news items and then go back into calls with our two guests, Sherman Skolnick and, of course, Lenny Bloom.
	The website is cloakanddagger.ca based out of Toronto, Canada.
	And, of course, Sherman Skolnick is in Chicago, Illinois.
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	Alright, folks.
	End of the third and final hour with Sherman Skolnick and Lenny Bloom.
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	My website, sinfulwars.com, prisonplanet.com.
	And your calls are coming up in the next segment, but I wanted to ask Sherman Skolnick a question.
	And Sherman, I know you know all about this corruption, of course, the Supreme Court and all that, but how they put it right out in the open, kind of a psychological inoculation.
	Houston Chronicle, a couple days ago, I covered it yesterday.
	Admits it's a felony, but says, eh, no big deal.
	Anthony Scalia, Supreme Court Justice, is about to hear a case concerning the cover-ups and obstruction by Dick Cheney of Energy Commission documents.
	And two weeks before this is coming up, they're off on vacations together on Air Force Two, and he's taking Scalia hunting.
	Now, in a mafia case, imagine the mob boss taking the judge on vacation.
	This is patently illegal, but they do it out in the open.
	Don't even hide it.
	Your comments on that, and just why they're so arrogant.
	Well, we have a series on our website, SkolnicksReport.com, called Coca-Cola CIA in the Courts.
	And there you will see a court-filed petition setting forth the four judges within the court system, well, more than four judges, within the U.S.
	Supreme Court and one step below, who are under financial control, including Anton Scalia.
	They used money from Coca-Cola, the time doesn't permit, on the radio to give all the details.
	However, the details are set forth in the series that I've just mentioned on our website, and that's Coca-Cola CIA.
	Yeah, but I want you to comment, Sherman, specifically on them out in the open, engaging in crimes in front of us.
	Well, we remember telling state secrets is not allowed, even if they are right under the public's noses, right Sherman?
	Well, here's the thing that I want to get to just briefly.
	Telling state secrets is verboten.
	Scalia and others high up in the court system, identified by us, while on the bench, continue to represent
	The billion-dollar stock portfolio of the University of Chicago, from whose law school Scalia and the other three come from,
	And they should disclose that.
	Sherman, Sherman, I understand that.
	I want you to comment on how Dick Cheney can publicly violate federal law and fly around and take the... Well, they're knights of the star chamber.
	They're above the law.
	Come on.
	That's the point I want to make here.
	I want to get your take on them... Sherman, they're knights of the star chamber.
	They're above it.
	That's the aristocracy's rule.
	Alex, one of the things that we write about
	is the dispute behind the scenes between George W. Bush and Richard Cheney over a division of the oil.
	Cheney is in with those that are involved with the Trans-Siberian Oil Pipeline headed for Japan, whereas Bush is involved with the one that was proposed to go through Afghanistan, and that underlies some of these situations that you're talking about
	I don't know.
	concerning Dick Cheney and Dick Cheney's taking him on all-expense-paid vacations.
	Openly, publicly criminal.
	The Houston Chronicle admits it and nothing's going to be done to him.
	I just want to point this out.
	In the past, in the past, in the past they weren't this obvious.
	These are the expert geopolitical, geopolitical map makers employed by the crown heads of Europe.
	Uh, Alex.
	I tell you what, we gotta break, Sherman.
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	Big Brother.
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	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	In the last segment, I bring up the Houston Chronicle article, and there are others, where we've got Dick Cheney on Air Force Two, flying around on multiple hunting trips,
	While the Supreme Court prepares to hear a case concerning Dick Cheney, flying him around duck hunting.
	Now that's publicly criminal.
	And I understand why Sherman goes, okay, we'll talk about Scalia and Cheney, let's talk about the really big corrupt things they're doing.
	I mean, sure, we could talk about $87 billion, and no bids allowed, and Halliburton, and scamming, and admittedly stealing... Can I answer your previous question?
	Well, hold on just a second, Sherman.
	I mean, I understand going into all that.
	I'm just pointing out that out in the open they commit felonies right in front of us, and can care less!
	Go ahead.
	From my 40 years of experience, here is a quick answer.
	The federal system, in particular in the courts, is loaded with these conflicts of interest
	There is no remedy unless, somehow, through very clever means, any of us alternative media people are able to touch off a major scandal wherein the aristocracy has to throw away one of these judges.
	Unless and until you could set off, somehow, a major scandal, these types of conflicts of interest are inherent in an inherently corrupt
	Federal Judiciary.
	I understand that, but it seems that they're doing psychological inoculation where they openly now do it and go, so what?
	Whereas in the past they would creep around and do all this.
	Yeah.
	Now they go, yeah, Halliburton ripped everybody off and double-charged and it was, you know, but... The people are deeply asleep.
	They don't have to worry about it anymore.
	Alex, they bombard us with other irrelevant information, sports,
	Weather reports and so on.
	Janet Jackson.
	And it does not become a major scandal and they get away with it.
	Yeah.
	You know, James, you know, long ago Americans resigned their consciences over to the bureaucrats who are now under the control of the monarchies themselves.
	It's real simple.
	Absolutely.
	Let's take a few calls and we'll get back into some other issues.
	I want to talk about, Sherman, you talked about how a lot of anchor people buy their jobs.
	This is interesting.
	Also, Sherman, I want to get your take on the lotteries.
	I've seen clear evidence that not just the electronic voting machines are a fraud, we know they are, but now that the lottery systems are a fraud.
	Do you have any info on that?
	About the history of the lottery system in America.
	And now with the proprietary software, what they do, and we showed it on one of our non-commercial cable TV shows in Chicago, after the lottery for the public is closed, under their proprietary software, they issue another lottery ticket to a chosen winner.
	And here in Illinois, for example,
	Uh, top officials of the local media have been mysteriously winners of the lottery.
	Oh, that's happened in Austin!
	That's happened in Austin!
	The state representative in the assembly, the legislature, that introduced the lottery law, he won millions.
	A police chief and fire chief in one of the suburbs, Juan.
	Exactly.
	There's an executive manager of a radio station here.
	Let me stop you, Sherman.
	Sherman, Sherman.
	Sherman, Sherman, hold on!
	Right here in Austin, Hollywood Henderson.
	I just told you how it's done.
	At the news stations where they shoot the lottery, and they say, oh, we'll shoot it four or five times, quote, until we get the balls to come out right.
	And then, I've talked to people at the stores where they sell the lotteries, they go, yeah, 45 minutes before the lottery is called, they shut it down, and then we know that they're shaping the numbers.
	Well, if it was just a real lottery, they'd run it up to two minutes before.
	Sherman, what about the lottery reminds us of the extortion money Bush is paying to keep things quiet.
	By the way, by the way, by the way, what really got the Fortunate Son guy who wrote, the Hatfield who wrote Fortunate Son, whacked, is his book is about Bush and the lottery scamming here in Texas.
	I'm sorry, go ahead.
	Another thing that you should keep in mind, Alex, is one of the aspects of the Enron scandal, which is from Texas.
	Money laundering.
	One of the officials that has so far escaped was a director of the Houston Federal Reserve District Bank.
	Nobody talks about it.
	What happened is that the Federal Reserve skimmed off or embezzled billions of dollars from Enron, causing them to go bankrupt.
	And the money is being used through hocus-pocus called derivatives to temporarily pump up the stock market to get the suckers in at the top so they can be clipped.
	Do you understand?
	And they write about Enron and they leave off the main important thing.
	A fellow named Skilling was a director of the Houston Federal Reserve District Bank.
	But that's a forbidden subject.
	You don't discuss the Federal Reserve.
	And the money that was skimmed off of Enron?
	And what about Wendy Graham, the wife of retired Senator Phil Graham of Texas?
	How come she's not being prosecuted for reportedly covering up the massive fraud of Enron, of which she was the director?
	And Hollywood did a whole movie of it called Die Hard with a Vengeance, that whole thing with Die Hard where
	Where ultimately it was just a heist of the U.S.
	Treasury.
	That's what's been going on for decades.
	Phony ways to fleece the sheeple and take money out of the U.S.
	Treasury.
	Sherman, Sherman, I talked to you on air.
	I talked to you for an hour last night.
	I didn't bring up the lottery.
	I'll bring it up.
	What you say from your 40 years of research, and folks it's backed up,
	It's exactly the info I have, and yeah.
	I mean, do people in Illinois question that it's police chiefs and the people that pass the lottery?
	Alex, you're missing the point.
	The major blowtorch stations here get advertisements from the lottery and the gambling casinos.
	That's forbidden to say anything negative about them.
	Listen, how would it be if the major radio stations here pointed out that their own bosses
	Mysteriously won the lottery.
	What?
	What are the chances?
	One in a hundred billion million?
	That the executives and managers of the radio stations win the lottery?
	Come on!
	Look, guys, I'm saying, you talk about the sheeple, they've got the lotteries, their own private payoff system, and the average idiot's still buying it!
	Now, when people say, oh no, they never do that, oh no, the people that run gambling, hold on, Sherman, the people that run gambling, they're real trustworthy, let's just, come on, folks.
	You radio for spies.
	You became a spy when the media betrayed you.
	Betrayed the truth.
	Alex, casinos and lottery swindles are a forbidden subject.
	You can't put that on a major talk station.
	Come on!
	It's forbidden.
	I call it cabal capitalism now, Alex.
	It's cabal capitalism.
	It doesn't work without conspiracies and covers for the conspiracies.
	Well, Sherman, you create your own taboo, though.
	This is all coming out.
	It's so big, they can't hide it anymore.
	You know what the problem is, Alex?
	You're not a manager of a major radio station, therefore they don't permit you to win.
	Otherwise, you wouldn't be talking to us about it.
	You would have been a winner, and you would have shut your mouth.
	Yeah, the son of the secret cell is groping through life.
	In fact, Alex, to put it in cynical form, the fact that you're discussing it with us indicates that you tell the truth.
	Because if you were covering up for the lottery and the gambling casinos, you wouldn't be putting us loudmouths on with you.
	You or your cousin or somebody would have been chosen
	To get one of those lottery tickets after the lottery closes down, Dave.
	Okay, guys, I want to switch into some other info and calls here.
	We've got a lot to cover.
	We've only got about forty-ten minutes left.
	Let's go ahead and take another call.
	Let's talk to Leslie in Virginia.
	Leslie, thanks for holding.
	Thank you, Alex, for taking my call.
	And thank you, Mr. Skolnick and Mr. Bloom, for exposing the conflicts of interest and oil interests as well.
	As both of you know, the Queen is the majority stockholder of British Petroleum, BP.
	And between the formal ceremonies of the Queen knighting Greenspan, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, and Bush Sr.
	Which, by the way, is illegal according to the Constitution.
	Well, you know, just last year she just knighted the former mayor of New York, Giuliani.
	But would Mr. Skolnick share the information that he has?
	In regards to the Federal Reserve, and the wire transfers, and the other accounts, with the joint bank accounts that the Queen has with the Bush family.
	A hundred billion dollars, don't forget that!
	They've got to steal it from the U.S.
	Treasury in order to prop up Queen Elizabeth.
	No, no, no, no.
	Get those figures out.
	The joint bank account
	Between the Queen... Yeah, he's written the article.
	I know that, but... Let me get a comment on it.
	Go ahead, Sherman.
	Look, I wrote a series called Greenspan Aids and Bribes Bush and on cloakanddagger.ca is the secret Federal Reserve wire transfer authorized by Greenspan involving a hundred billion dollar joint account between the Bush crime family and Queen Elizabeth
	The second, in her private bank in London, Coots Bank London, and who is the third party to the deal?
	Saddam Hussein.
	And there was a case in court where I was the only journalist covering the case, okay?
	And it's mentioned on my website.
	And who was the business partner in the 80s?
	Of the Bush-Crank family, Saddam Hussein.
	Yeah, well obviously he had the second biggest oil supply, and that did come out in the BCCI scandal.
	This is documented, and it's now coming out with the Bank of England involved.
	Whoa, thanks for the call, Leslie.
	We'll come back and talk to John, David, Kevin, Ethan, and others with our guests Sherman Spellink and Lenny Bloom.
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	We've got a lot of callers here I want to go to, but shifting gears yet again, Sherman Skolnik, Lenny Bloom, we've all talked a lot about, interviewed all the experts.
	I've made two films, written a book on the subject.
	September 11th, clearly the Globalist carried that out.
	Clearly, they would have already carried out more terror attacks if they wouldn't have been exposed for being behind these.
	I think they're concerned from the evidence to move forward.
	What's your analysis, Sherman and Lenny, on when they're going to blow some more stuff up to scare us into submission?
	Alex, can I ask this?
	Can Lenny and I have six minutes uninterrupted?
	Yeah, sure.
	We'll do that coming up in the next segment, Sherman.
	We want to discuss briefly what the program that they took off the air tried to do in 76 weeks.
	And a quick list of the forbidden subjects, so that the public will get some idea of what we have been trying to educate the public about.
	Sure, but you know, when I've been on your show, I don't get six minutes uninterrupted, but that's fine.
	Well, yeah, look, Sherman, let me just say this and answer the question.
	Basically, the CIA has put America into a state of gigantic pictorial illusionism.
	And journalistic exaggeration of concealment.
	They scrubbed off their minds just like the flashy thingy thing in the movie Men in Black.
	Let's deal with this question about 9-1-1, right?
	The New York Times on August 18th, 2001, ran a strange story about the people that were living inside one of the World Trade Centers, of which the security originally told the New York Times there's nobody there.
	And when the tragedy happened on September 11th, they didn't refer back to their own article.
	Further, right before 9-1-1 came out the book, Body of Secrets, by James Bamford, where he published these secret documents how the crazies in the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 62 wanted to instigate an invasion of Cuba by blowing up American airplanes and buildings
	And killing Americans to blame on Castro.
	Well, I have the document, it's not just that book.
	I know, but the point is, 9-1-1 basically is a follow-up of that same plan of 39 years later.
	Whatever.
	It's the same thing.
	How come the media didn't refer to that?
	There's no doubt that it was a shock and awe operation.
	But I'm asking, when's their next attack coming?
	When's their next attack?
	And the real question is this.
	The New World Order wouldn't fit into the old space unless it had some violent alterations and re-tailoring.
	And 9-11 is one of those alterations and re-tailoring that occupy most of the so-called news because they're trying to shimmy their system into place.
	And if they can shimmy it without it, they'll do it.
	Otherwise, they'll have to have some big terrorist event.
	Okay, but the point is, the next so-called attack, there has been no attack on the United States by Arabs.
	There's Patsies like Lee Harvey Oswald.
	The Arabs were not directly involved with 9-1-1 except as Patsies.
	Now, I understand that.
	Well, the public doesn't.
	Alex, let me ask you this.
	Do you think that they have to orchestrate any more shocks in order to shimmy their new system into place?
	Yes.
	And they were going to carry out more attacks right after, but they've been exposed, they've been put off balance.
	So many people inside government have been leaking info, going public.
	I think they're in a lot of trouble right now.
	The trouble that I foresee is
	They may not have an election this year in the manner in which the public has been accustomed to.
	Well, we didn't have one last time in the manner we're accustomed to.
	I predicted it two years in advance.
	And, and, I believe that an emergency panel, not provided for in the Constitution, will, a troika, three people, will run the government without the Constitution because of financial disaster and things along those lines.
	Uh, of which the public is not prepared.
	The public is being misled into a fake prosperity plan.
	Well, Sherman, Sherman, we have the head of North Com Singh Martial Law, the outgoing head of South Com Singh Martial Law.
	And so they're definitely trying to prepare us for something, but they'll still just put a puppet in.
	I mean, the President's not running anything right now.
	So why would they put a, you know, I know they're getting ready for committee boards and FEMA takeovers, that's admitted, but I don't see why they'd go ahead and use that unless they want to get rid of all illusions that this is a free country.
	Alex, some of the federal courthouses are being closed to reporters, litigants, and lawyers.
	It's a forbidden subject, which I know a lot about.
	I cannot go into the federal courthouse.
	I have been, by the Chief Judge, ordered to be blocked from all the federal courts in the Midwest.
	It's unconstitutional, but there's no use to discuss the First Amendment.
	My First Amendment has been cancelled!
	We'll be right back with your call.
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	I know a lot of this sounds
	Out of control, but if you look at history, what governments do, what powerful people do, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
	We're about to go to John and David and Kevin and Ethan and Mark.
	That'll be it for calls.
	That's all we have time for.
	But I want to give some time to Sherman, who wants to talk about some of these unforbidden subjects, which actually involve them coming out now.
	But they put it in the back of the paper like it's no big deal.
	I find that to be the new propaganda tactic, is to just throw it out there and just say, go ahead and accept it.
	But go ahead, Sherman.
	Lenny has got something to say.
	As the moderator of our program.
	Go ahead, Lenny.
	Yeah, I think that the term cloak and dagger epitomizes exactly what it is that Sherman and all of us are saying is the modus operandi of the powers that be is a cloak and dagger operation where they basically hide behind a complex smoke and mirror machine that maintains their bread and circus shows.
	And that's certainly what you've really been on and doing a great job bringing out yourself, Alex.
	A tremendous job.
	You're to be commended.
	Just a fantastic job.
	Well, folks should go to cloakanddagger.ca.
	And on our website, let me just give it again, it's www.cloakanddagger.ca.
	And our mirror site is
	TheMediaNews.com, and that's sort of a mirror site in case they hit cloak and dagger too hard.
	You can always go to TheMediaNews.com, but sure, I just wanted to throw that out there, and we used to have some good times, Alex.
	I think it's important to learn to play with the subject, and having different songs as we did, the Illuminati song and the Spine songs, is a great way of breaking the ice and furthering exploration.
	Okay, for those that just joined us, I'd like to say something.
	For those that just joined us,
	Again, I've been on the show probably 10, 15 times.
	I didn't count it up.
	On your Cloak & Dagger show, it got the highest ratings in that time slot there in Toronto, and then you guys just got canned.
	And this is something I've experienced six and a half years ago here in Austin when my show was number one.
	They said, stop talking about the New World Order.
	So this is another example of censorship.
	Go ahead, Sherman.
	What I wanted to say, I'll be brief because we want to get to the calls.
	In the 76 weeks, we dealt, as if we were running a seminar, on forbidden subjects.
	In North America, no colleges or universities that I know of teaches about the aristocracy.
	In fact, they come out after years of education not even knowing how to spell aristocracy.
	On Lenny's program, Cloak & Dagger, we discussed the aristocracy, the crown heads of Europe,
	And what they have been into.
	For example, the Jesuits and the British Royalty, end of the aristocracy, benefited, now get this, from the assassination of seven U.S.
	Presidents.
	I know that comes as a shock to some people.
	Well, they were all killed by lone assassins.
	Good.
	Stuff like that we discussed.
	I don't know.
	NPR, which we call National Petroleum Radio, run by Jay Rockefeller's wife, Sharon Percy Rockefeller.
	Stuff like that.
	The fact that some of the radio and TV major market positions are bought and sold.
	I know this from being around the media.
	That's a forbidden subject.
	So on Lenny's program, we discussed
	Specifically, some of the forbidden subjects.
	Lenny, fill in a couple more of the forbidden subjects.
	Von Buelow.
	You were going to mention that.
	Yeah, Von Buelow.
	The holograms.
	Go into it, Lenny.
	Alex, there's an interesting development that really is this whole development that came out of the scientists that we spoke to who worked on hologram development.
	And it all started in 1973 with the Yom Kippur War.
	Because with the suitcase-tool missiles that were 100% accurate and 100% idiot-proof, you could give it to anybody with a kindergarten education, and it was 100% accurate and knocked out their tanks, in order to develop and keep the tank warfare, they started to develop the holograms.
	And the hologram technology, so that when one tank goes out into the field, there's a satellite overhead, and now there's 16 tanks surrounding it.
	And the technology of the hologram just has been kept from people, so that they could run a tank right up your street, and if you looked out your bathroom window, you'd swear it was a tank, unless you walked out there, and then you'd find that it just was a light illusion, a trick of the light.
	Well, they admit, I mean that's even on the Discovery Channel, that the Pentagon can project Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, whatever they want up into the night sky, and we got reports that in Iraq that stuff was used in the First Gulf War.
	I know, but when they can even project airplanes that appear to go into a building and knock
	You know, I've seen that, but guys, hold on just a second.
	See, that's the problem.
	We talk about covering things we can prove.
	Well, I don't say that's the case.
	I know they blew the buildings up.
	Hold on just a second, guys.
	Just a second.
	I know that the major Spanish newspaper, and I've got it on the website right now, has had top experts look at the belly attachment on one of the planes.
	It had been modified.
	Uh, it did have a large pod on the bottom.
	Uh, there are a lot of weird things.
	No black boxes.
	Makes turns that only a projected image in the sky like the bat symbol would be able to do.
	Well, the pilots have said that one of the planes pulled six and a half G's, which the planes are designed with their systems, they cannot fly unless it was under remote control.
	And the wings didn't fall off or anything?
	The wings didn't fall off and nothing happened that was supposed to happen because physically the plane cannot fly into a building.
	It's a joke.
	They're telling, they've told America that a little piece of glass... Yeah, but guys, you talk about documenting everything, you know, 98% of what you've been saying I can prove, you know, this, I don't, it's speculation.
	The reason they took that pane of glass off, Sherman, the reason they took the pane of glass off
	And put a balcony out there was, of course, to do the necessary lazy... And I have seen that New York... Just stop, just stop, just stop, just stop.
	You know, I have seen the New York Times article where there was this weird group of Germans up there in one of the buildings and they did take the... paint a glass off and put this balcony out there, but again, that's not... that's not proof.
	Alex... Yeah, but Alex... Alex, to take a pane of glass off a building which is that huge
	I think so.
	We're up high up in the building.
	They said there isn't much of a fire.
	Bring up the hoses.
	We can control it.
	The fire isn't going anyplace.
	Don't you see the point?
	You know, the internal explosives were set to detonate as the hologramic image met and went into the building.
	But if it had been a real plane, it would have pancaked on the outside.
	Okay, I gotta stop you right there.
	Again, clearly there were bombs, clearly the seismographs, the firefighters, but the firefighters saying the fires were almost gone, I mean, that's what jet fuel would do, that's what a plane would do, it would go out.
	So again, guys, you know, I just, I don't, I cannot, I don't believe that that's what happened.
	And I know they have these technologies, but it's not an area I get into because I can't prove it.
	And, you know, that's always been important to do that.
	Again, I mean, there's all other, you know, sorts of things that are being reported out there.
	You saw Silverstein's statement that you have to pull the building, as he said, regarding Trade Center No.
	7.
	Yeah, I'll put that story out, sure.
	But, Alex, you're familiar with Operation Pearl, that this was not, 9-11 was not a surprise attack to the American government.
	It was only a surprise attack to the American people.
	Hold on guys, hold on.
	All that other stuff is proven and admitted.
	Then you add something on there and it just turns into a spoiler because you can't prove that.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Sure we understand what you're saying.
	Lenny showed on his website that the plane pulled up like a napkin and went through a hole in the building and that's physically not possible.
	For an aluminum plane to do that?
	Well, the size of the hole left, they show you the plane going into the building completely intact.
	And physically, in actuality, if you look at a real computer model simulation, the aftershock of the nose instantaneously hitting the building reverberates and breaks off the tail.
	So it can't go intact into a building.
	So somebody's creating some trick of the light.
	Well, again, I can't prove it.
	Hold on!
	Hold on!
	Hold on!
	Hold on!
	Guys, this is out of control.
	Let's just take some calls, as promised.
	Let's go ahead and talk to... Oh, I guess John in Ohio.
	Go ahead, John.
	Yes, I wanted to discuss a couple case histories of the forbidden subjects, and I was just reading an article in ISReview.org magazine
	And they were pointing out that many of the people, these fascist neocons in the Bush administration, not only have found a home in the Reagan administration when they were instigating and supporting these death squads in Central America... Hold on a minute.
	Somebody's heavy breathing on the phone.
	Stop, please.
	Go ahead, sir.
	But their original home was in the Cold War mongering faction of the Democratic Party when they worked for the Scoop Jackson
	Senator from Boeing, the military-industrial faction of the Democratic Party.
	And one of the people was Paul Nitze, the former Undersecretary of Defense, who was one of the key orchestrators of Project Northwoods way back in the 60s.
	Whereas he passed on, he'd probably end up in the Bush II administration if he hadn't.
	But many of these people originally came from that section in the Democratic Party, and beyond that,
	The role of the Central Intelligence Agency in the media was brought out by Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post, but he couldn't get it written in his own Washington Post because, of course, he indicted all of the media, including the Washington Post, the New York Times, all of the networks, Time Newsweek, as having collaborated.
	Yeah, and you've got Jane Graham in there, and the Bilderberg Group, and now her son.
	Go ahead, gentlemen, any comments on what John just said?
	How come the media didn't discuss the Northwood thing that came out in that book right before 9-1-1?
	When you look at the Northwood thing, you change a few words and a few dates, it's the same thing that happened in 9-1-1.
	That's my point.
	My point is that the very architect of that, Paul Nitze, back in the 60s, was one of these neocons.
	I work with all of these people who have now ended up in the Bush administration.
	Nietzsche.
	It was Nietzsche, right?
	There we go.
	Paul Nitze.
	It's Nietzsche.
	Yeah, thanks for the call.
	Alex, is there time to discuss this?
	These war mongers that have the major talk show situations?
	Well, we've looked at the numbers.
	You've got a Limbaugh getting paid $287 million and there's not that much profit in the show.
	We've talked about how the media is subsidized by the government and their public service announcements and other things, but sure, go ahead.
	From my years of experience, the way I analyze it is with arithmetic and details.
	I find out how much it costs for a 30-second ad, how much is the estimated amount that Sean Hannity and Russ Limbaugh get, and when you do that, you find out he does not have that many good ads to warrant the amount per week that each of them gets, and therefore you know there is some secret subsidy out there.
	Well, let me give folks an example of this.
	They have a thing called Austin Air Force here in Austin.
	They have them all over the country.
	It's a private group.
	Funded by the feds in the state to push for emissions testing and taxation of cars.
	And I heard this group on local talk stations and I called and they were announcing it like it was a news item.
	And I said, that's a paid advertiser.
	Well, yes, it is.
	And so there's lots of that in there, too.
	It's called product placement.
	When government does it, I call it propaganda placement.
	So isn't it just Pentagon subsidy?
	Well, yes.
	And this, you see, guys, I mean, what you're saying is true, it's documented.
	I mean, I agree with 99, 98% of what you're saying.
	I just can't get into areas I can't prove.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, the point is, the numbers don't add up.
	And those that are warmongers, that want the American aristocracy to lash out like Hitler against Syria, against Lebanon, whatever it is, to take us away from the Bill of Rights,
	And to become an aggressive, dictatorial country.
	And those that are for warmongering, they get the major positions on these major blowtorch stations.
	Absolutely.
	Let's go ahead and talk.
	Alex, before we go, one thing to add is this.
	Just remember that what we're always following is this Pentagon TV station, CNN.
	I will this week and is always going to continue to disseminate more fashion speak to fulfill the public's artificially induced appetite.
	Absolutely, let's take a call.
	And then they call themselves liberal and none of it's liberal, it's military industrial complex.
	David in Missouri, go ahead, you're on the air.
	David, you're on the air.
	Yes, I was wondering if the three of you could discuss the Tavistock Institute.
	That's the big British mind-control alarm.
	Yeah, go ahead, guys.
	Well, Crawler, you're bringing up broad subjects into a limited forum.
	Well, let's just say very quickly, Sherman, Tavistock certainly had a part in the Beatles as a major military operation.
	They brought it in in the 64 to keep the law... Beatles came to divert attention from the assassination of President Kennedy.
	They reached their height in popularity at the time the infamous Warren Commission report came out in September 64.
	Yeah, they used the Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, all these media blitzes to captivate everybody off of real issues.
	They did what Vince McMahon is doing now with world wrestling.
	They created a profile, a character, hired record companies and said, go out and find the guys to do this for us.
	Okay, go ahead David.
	Okay, thank you for the call.
	Let's talk to Kevin and Mash.
	Kevin, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, Kevin's gone.
	Let's talk to Ethan in Kentucky.
	Ethan, you're on the air.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, let me just get my steel and then I'll be gone.
	I just want to say that I'm outraged that our president and his illicit administration of tycoons gave terrorist Pakistan $3 billion of our tax money solely for military purposes.
	The Pakistani so-called defense, while the founder of their new program is pardoned and not even reprimanded for proliferating WMDs through the road states.
	Yeah, let's boil that down.
	Our government arms China, arms North Korea, arms Pakistan, proliferates the weapons, and then says we've got to invade all these countries to keep us safe.
	Yeah, and the mainstream media won't even give this issue three minutes of coverage.
	This should be the number one story that our own president, our own boss, his own deeds, is an enemy combatant and a funder of terror.
	And no one believes this.
	And everyone just grubs down on the bold-faced lies that our oligarchy is spoon-feeding us.
	Absolutely.
	Thanks for the call, Ethan.
	Sherman Skolnick, Lenny Bloom, I'll have to get you both back on the show.
	We've got more time.
	It's not so wild.
	I know it's frustrating.
	We need to get a lot more info out.
	We're out of time, gentlemen.
	I'm going to come back and hit a final couple news stories, the one the caller just mentioned.
	And I want to thank you both for coming on the show.
	CloakandDagger.ca or ShermanSkolnickReport.com.
	Thank you both, gentlemen.
	Take care.
	All right, I'll be back.
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	If you don't tell the world your email, home address, and telephone number, you could face a seven-year jail sentence, a $150,000 fine under new legislation that the U.S.
	Congress is trying to push past today.
	Senator Lamar Smith, a fake conservative of Texas, Chairman of the Courts, the Internet and Intellectual Property Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, yesterday produced, from nowhere, extensions to the 1946 Trademark Act that would make giving false contact information for a domain name a civil and criminal offense.
	And the bill is H.R.
	3754.
	And you move, and you forget to change that address on there, or there's a letter or a number wrong in it, seven years in prison,
	Yeah, $150,000 fine.
	And it's actually covered under terror sections.
	So, sending an email to the wrong person, life in prison, or trying to pass that.
	I mean, this sounds insane.
	It is insane.
	It's happening.
	So, make sure that's right out there, folks, for your websites.
	Try to stop this bill from passing.
	The nuclear supermarket, this is the London Telegraph, and it's what the caller was just talking about, and I'll talk more about this on Monday, obviously.
	I need to talk more about this.
	Intelligence agencies and nuclear inspectors are racing to close a vast international nuclear supermarket that has secretly supplied Iran, Libya, North Korea, and perhaps several other countries for more than a decade.
	And their buddy, General Musarraf, who runs Pakistan, U.S.
	companies gave it all to him publicly.
	They've given it to North Korea.
	Rumsfeld, the board of ABB, gave the reactors to North Korea.
	They arm these people, and then they arm everybody else, and that's not a problem.
	They're our little buddies.
	Now we're going to have to attack all the countries they may have sold something to.
	I mean, this is so... It's like our government giving the Soviets everything.
	Our submarines, our nuke secrets, our missile systems.
	They give it all to them!
	And it's the same old thing, and they're lining up the national draft, getting ready for this war, to attack 62 more countries.
	That's public, the PENAC documents.
	Also, a story here, German RFID scandal, hidden devices, unthinkable tags, unkillable tags, found in metro furniture store.
	Germans say, nigh, we won't be your slaves.
	And, uh, I mean, these microchips are going in everything, folks, and the average person has no idea this is even going on.
	I'm out of time.
	I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight central, back on Monday, 11 to 2, and then back again from 9 to midnight.
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