In the 2003 interview on The Alex Jones Show, Larry Pratt, president of Gun Owners of America,
discusses gun rights in Iraq compared to the US, Canada's resistance to gun control, and the new
Clinton-Bush assault weapons ban. He highlights differences between Iraqi and American gun laws,
praises Canadian provinces for resisting gun control measures, and emphasizes grassroots activism in
opposing such legislation. Pratt also addresses Alberta's public opinion on secession from Canada
and promotes alternative media to raise awareness about gun rights. They touch upon Iraq's policy
allowing citizens to own semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons as a potential deterrent for
renewing the semi-auto ban in the US, express gratitude towards each other, and mention upcoming
technological advancements like RFID chips in Walmart products and retina scanners for car driving.
Well, Alex, one of the things that strikes me as peculiar is the greater amount of firearms freedoms being allowed to people of Iraq compared to the folks in the United States by the same administration.
We'll talk about the new Bush, Clinton, Schumer assault weapons ban.
They want to reauthorize And my surprise at the NRA two weeks ago finally doing an analysis of the legislative center that could have been written by gun owners of America admitting the ban on semi-automatic shotguns and all that.
I want to get your take on NRA members forcing them and gun owners members forcing them to finally tell some of the truth.
And I also want to talk about Canada, many of their provinces refusing to turn their guns in.
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Larry Pratt, before we get into Iraqis having more freedom with guns than Americans, and before we get into Canada and most of its states, its provinces saying, no, we're not going to turn our guns in, And before we get into the new assault weapons ban by Hare Bush and the liberals and the neocons, Patriot Act 1 and 2, your lawyers wrote an incredible 20-plus page analysis of it, even scarier than mine.
You found stuff I didn't find.
I found stuff you didn't find in it.
The secret arrest of citizens, the secret executions, the guns being crimes, all of this garbage.
Ashcroft said there wasn't a Patriot Act, too, before Congress two months ago.
Now, last Thursday, he admitted it.
There is an expansion of it.
Your response, your analysis of the Patriot Act, and why do you think Ashcroft had to admit this?
We do have to take the offense on this for a very important reason.
Even though there is officially no such proposal on the table as HR such-and-such with a billed number.
This thing is what I would term opportunistically poised.
What would be the next terrorist tragedy striking us would be an opportunity for them.
And we've got to make it as clear as we possibly can before that opportunity quote-unquote arises to let the Well, elected officials know that we don't want you to do anything at the next crisis except make it easier for us to defend ourselves.
But for goodness sakes, we don't want you to pass another bill concentrating more power in Washington.
And they're also trying to get rid of the Sunset, as you just said, but already in the First Patriot Act, the key provisions like 213, the Snick and Peek, and others, and the expanded definition of terrorism, Section 802, those are not Sunset.
And Larry, this is their incredible spin.
I've written an analysis of Patriot Act 2.
We have a copy of it.
The legislative control sheet was brought by the Justice Department to Dennis Hastert, brought to him secretly, handed to Cheney, but that's the red herring of the House bill.
It has been introduced.
The House version is the Domestic Security Enhancement Act.
The House version was introduced six months ago in January.
It is the Justice Domestic Security Enhancement Act.
It has all the same provisions under different subsections as the House bill.
It has been enrolled.
And in it, it has added gun control.
It is sponsored by the worst Democrats on the Hill.
Well, S-22 definitely is the mother of all gun control bills.
It's got everything Short of a ban that they would love to have.
It is the Brady campaign shopping list.
And of course, in moments of crisis, they can easily tack on anything that they might have left out to see if they can't slip that through as well.
I think that's the great danger and that we've just got to be doing our work now.
And what is so wonderful about the members of Gun Owners of America is that They have been so tenacious and so persistent.
They remind me of the widow in Luke 18 who went before an unrighteous judge, times don't change, and he blew her off because she was a nobody and he didn't think that he had to give her anything.
Well, a lot of folks would say, well, gee, I guess if the government said so, it must be legitimate.
And then and now, most people would have just walked away.
But the widow knew that what she wanted, whatever it was, was right, and she persisted.
And finally the judge, the unrighteous judge, gave in, gave her what she wanted, saying, and this is the quote from the scripture, she troubles me.
And if we don't trouble them, I guarantee you they're going to trouble us.
And I've been on conservative talk shows, and I'll say, Bush says he's going to reauthorize the assault weapons ban.
And they'll say, that's not true.
And then they'll say, you're a liberal making up information to discredit Bush.
Why do we see, I don't see this widespread, but I do see pockets of it, massive denial by so many conservatives to the neocon agenda we see in Washington.
well larry it is happening here and we got a unified front by the hillary clinton's the chucky schumer's with bush
on open borders on gun control on napkin gap on all these key issues on protecting
uh... bill clinton blocking them burdens committee uh...
Ari Fleischer, the Press Secretary, a couple weeks ago told the WorldNet Daily reporter when they brought up Hardingate and how Bush is protecting Clinton, he said, the President's moving forward and he suggests you do the same.
Let me point back to the gun issue and the semi-auto ban just for a minute because Some people that will acknowledge that they've heard the President's spokesman anyway say that that's what he wants to do, to renew the ban, keep it on the books.
They'll say, well, but hey, we don't have to worry about that.
The House of Representatives isn't going to vote for that.
It's under control.
Well, part of that's true.
I don't think the House of Representatives is where we're going to get clobbered.
But here's how it can happen.
It's already happened this way in the past.
When Lautenberg put his gun ban in, greatly expanding the number of prohibited people that are
allowed to own a gun in this country
people that have had domestic violence misdemeanors uh... spanking a child yelling at a dad things like that
uh... those people got stuck in nineteen ninety six it was a measure that he inserted in a conference committee
uh... in the senate behind closed doors yeah they can load it in his pork barrel
at any time and bush says he'll sign it now here's the here's the problem it comes out of a
conference committee sorry been voted on
some fashion the of the underlying bill has anyway in
Now they can no longer make amendments from the floor.
This is the final vote.
It's up or down.
And here's how it is likely to happen, and here's how it would have happened had Lautenberg been confronted in the Senate.
Look, buddy, until your measure comes out of that appropriation bill, I'm going to filibuster your bill.
Well, that's all well and good, perhaps on most legislation, but inside the beltway It's just unimaginable to think that you might shut down part of the government.
And that's what the filibuster of an appropriations bill would do.
So, which do you think is more important?
Operating the government, or keeping the people free to own firearms?
I think reality has begun to impinge on the principal culprit, in my opinion.
Well, of course, it's the president for allowing the statements to be made, but Karl Rove is his principal political advisor, and I don't see him as a principled man at all, and I see him figuring that, hey, we're going to get some easy votes from the soccer moms, and the Gunnies don't have any other place to go.
Well, first of all, that's a flawed analysis.
Because the people that voted for George Bush in West Virginia are not quote-unquote gunnies.
They're Democrats who normally vote Democratic no matter what.
Larry, it's not just the gun issues that the neocons are on the big government tyranny side of the fence.
It's across the board.
And it is important for gun owners to be involved and conservatives to be involved by pointing this out.
We are now seeing a shift, at least in rhetoric, back to a more conservative viewpoint because of pressure I talked about how the NRA wouldn't talk about the assault weapons ban, how Bush was going to reauthorize it.
They finally did in their legislative alert.
They really won't do it in their magazine.
How important was it that the real gun owners, real conservatives, are forcing the NRA to not be as anti-gun as they are?
We hear from our members all the time, those that get emailed particularly, because that's how word spreads so quickly and effectively now.
That they've also contacted the NRA.
They belong to both and they see us doing something and they want the NRA to do the same thing.
And I can tell you that they can express themselves in very forceful ways.
I wanted to share with you an anecdote of just days after the first announcement was made by a spokesman for Bush that he was going to ban guns again if he had a chance.
Carl Rove, his principal advisor, went up to New Hampshire, gave a talk at a university, and afterwards entertained questions from the audience, one of whom was our member.
And I'll just refer to him as Sam.
But Sam asked a question something like, What in the world do you think you guys are doing with this?
And he got back a very imperious answer that this is the way it is, Bud.
Well, Sam didn't really like that, so he went with a group of other people that wanted to shake Rove's hand and whatnot as he was on his way to the limo.
And just before he popped in the back door, Sam was able to repeat the question, and Rove was visibly angry and started repeating how he didn't understand politics and blah, blah, blah, and grabbed Sam on the arm I'm older than he is and I'm bigger than he is.
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I grabbed him on his arm and I said, look, you tell your boss if he signs that bill, he's crossed the line.
No, they're understanding this is about the Bill of Rights and what America is, and if they're going to wrap themselves in that flag, they're going to have to uphold the values of that Constitution and that Bill of Rights.
Larry Pratt, I want to shift gears for a second.
Canada, many of their big provinces are saying, we are not going to enforce your gun ban.
You register them, you confiscate them.
They're actually saying, one of the heads of the provinces says, their law enforcement arm says, this only hurts law-abiding citizens, this is wrong.
And now police, the federal police are warning the provinces, and more provinces are defecting, now the majority of them.
I think it's extremely good news, particularly when you consider that it's Canada, where they have more of a British mindset that whatever the government says is legitimate because there's no legitimate constitution in writing.
They do, and I think the driver for this resistance to this tyranny has been the province of Alberta.
Those folks really think like people in the western United States.
They've taken the lead on this, and frankly, at the province of Alberta, and I've talked to people from there, in fact, interviewed one on my little talk show that's a weekly hour thing, Live Fire, an editor of a conservative publication up there who printed the results of a public opinion survey that found that a bare majority of the people of Alberta, if you had it on the ballot right now, do we want out of here?
They'd say, yes.
In a heartbeat, and then make themselves an independent country with lots of oil and... But, I mean, that's exciting that you have whole states refusing and then their citizens are on TV saying, I'm not turning my gun and you can come get it.
We need more of that attitude here and we need to have those revolutions of information and standing up in these states like Massachusetts, California.
I know we've got the people, we just don't have the media power.
We've got to promote the alternative media in those states.
What about Iraq?
Not arming Disarming the American people, but having to back off and not disarm the Iraqi people.
