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Air Date: May 23, 2003
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Alex Jones on the GCN radio network.
Yesterday I had the journalist on for the BBC documentary makers.
Head of a large branch of the media union over in England, who was at Bilderberg meeting this year.
Today we're joined by the granddaddy of it all, Jim Tucker of American Free Press, formerly with the Spotlight for 25 plus years.
He has been covering the Bilderberg group.
He's an expert on the New World Order.
He's an old-time journalist.
Worked with some of the big syndicates in the news before he found out about the New World Order 20-plus years ago.
And he just got back from Bilderberg.
He sneaks through drainage pipes.
He climbs over fences.
He's been detained, arrested.
Others have been.
He's been chased by men in dark sunglasses and vehicles.
This has been on national TV here in the U.S.
on the TRIO Network and a documentary I was in as well, Secret Rulers of the World, five-part series.
And he has now returned from the, well, the most plush hotel in France, right next door to the Versailles Palace.
And it's just an amazing story.
So Big Jim Tucker is on with us, fresh back from France, and the Merovingian folks that are over there.
Jim, it's great to have you on the show with us.
I appreciate you coming on the show, Jim.
Do we have Jim Tucker there?
Can he hear me?
Oh yes, I can hear you.
Jim, thanks for coming on the show with us, sir.
I'm very happy to join you.
Tell us a little bit about yourself for those that haven't heard you in the last few months.
How you got involved in Bilderberg, what Bilderberg Group is, and what happened this year, and any inside information you got out from inside the complex.
Well, to quick capsule, I spent 20 years with the establishment press, with Washington Daily News, Akron Beacon Journal, Richmond Times Dispatch, other newspapers, until 1975, when I was being interviewed by Willis Carter at Liberty Lobby.
We're good to go.
They've been operating in absolute secrecy all these years, making decisions that affect the lives of all of us in Europe and North America and sometimes throughout the world.
Bilderberg is a group of 120 men with a solid membership of about 100 year after year, replaced by those who die in the fullness of time.
They've met under the name Bilderberg since 1954.
There's normally two or three newcomers each year.
Some are invited back, others are cast aside when they're found not to be useful.
But they do make decisions that affect war, peace, the economy.
They make decisions that affect the lives of all of us.
Well, the Trilateral Commission is sort of the junior varsity.
They'll have 300 members and they are less secret.
They have an office in Washington.
You can call them up and they'll cheerfully tell you where their next meeting will be.
They will not take over the whole resort like Bilderberg.
They will take over two floors of the hotel and maybe some big meeting rooms, and they'll mingle in the lobby with others of the unwashed multitudes.
They include Japan and Korea.
Bilderberg is strictly North America and Europe, but they have an interlocking leadership.
The executive committee of both groups, David Rockefeller founded the Trilateral Commission.
He was a co-founder of Bilderberg, so he's a power in both groups.
And they do have an interlocking agenda, which is broadly defined as moving the United Nations into a world government, which it almost is now.
I don't know.
There's one Bilderberg meeting within a year of scholarly white paper coming out that will support that view.
So basically the Bilderberg group is the 100 top upper echelon, the Dutch, the British royal families, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Crumps, all these classic names, and then you've got the Trilateral Commission with 300 that comes up with the, that more fine-tunes the policy, and then you've got the three
Yeah, so is the Propaganda Ministry.
And of course the collaboration of the American press is nothing short of a scandal.
They're journalistic prostitutes.
The Washington Post, New York Times.
I think we're good to go.
Several European reporters were there.
I was interviewed just this morning by BBC from London.
They interviewed me twice when I was at Versailles.
Reporters from Norway and several other countries were present in Versailles.
We collaborated.
We pooled our information.
We worked together to identify.
And also the American Free Press staff spent a lot of time out there positively identifying
Many of the 120 who appeared.
You also got a lot of photographs of them.
Now, last year...
The media was all saying the attack was coming in 2002.
For sure, they said.
You said, that is not correct.
I have it from inside Bilderberger, from our sources inside the estate where they were meeting outside D.C.
You said, I have it that they're going to be attacking in February or March, and that's exactly what happened.
You said you saw Arab leaders there, something you never saw.
So, what internal information did you get out this year?
This year the rift between the American and European deliveries broadened even more.
I understand that for half a century it was all very congenial.
The Europeans and the Americans and Canadian Bilderberg luminaries had a love affair.
They split over the war last year with Rumsfeld promising to not go to war in 2002.
Interesting that Jim Hoekman, the Washington Post, was there.
He let his own newspaper continue with the prediction that the war would start in late summer or early fall of 2002, but he knew that Rumsfeld had made the promise not to go to war in the year 2002.
But Trey Bilderberg, he let his own newspaper make the mistake, or make a wrong forecast, I should say.
Well, Graham was there too, so it's obvious what they're doing now.
Who were some of the folks that were there this year?
I hear that after having riot police and basically the army out there, that later, near the end, they all got on buses and went up to the palace, and that some of the reporters were actually able to talk to Rockefeller, David Rockefeller and others.
Were you involved in that, or were you able to talk to them?
No, I was meeting sources back near the hotel at that time.
Christopher Boleyn of American Free Press spent a lot more time.
After the first two days prior to their meeting, Christopher Boleyn was the European press outside the gates most of the time.
He was the one who played tourist and walked up and photographed David Rockefeller and his bodyguard.
He'll be in the next issue that you receive of American Free Press.
Excuse me, I didn't come back with SARS, but they teased me about the cause of heavy cold.
Well, Rocco is actually looking physically better than he did a year ago.
He's stooped and failed a year ago.
He's upright and a little bit fiskier now.
Well, I'm sure all the advanced medical techniques his medical cartel have suppressed are helping him.
Well, he's in his 80s now.
I'm not sure just how old he is, but he's 80-something years old now.
In spite of all the evil done, he's always been a very gracious chap.
I've talked to him a number of times where he knew who I was.
He's most gracious.
He may not tell you anything, but he's a very gracious, soft-spoken, unassuming, interesting difference between the personalities.
Rockfeller and his valet, Henry Kissinger, both have a Ph.D.
in economics, but Rockfeller is Mr. Rockfeller.
Kissinger is Dr. Kissinger.
Always Dr. Kissinger.
And he's a pompous ass anyway.
He affects the German accent.
He's been in this country since he was 14 years old, but if you take him by surprise with a question, he'll forget to affect the German accent for a moment and catch himself and then get back into his German accent.
You know, I don't remember.
I saw it once, but that was a year ago.
I don't remember either.
I know the name.
It'll pop in my head in a second.
How many of them act like that are real arrogant and out of control?
I know the story of last year, a couple years ago, they didn't have his wine, Rockefeller's wine, so they sent a jet back to the U.S.
just to get him wine.
Yes, that was some years ago.
People who are filthy rich are just used to living that way.
I'm not much of a winer myself, but I couldn't imagine having jets fly back to get the right kind of wine and having it driven from an airport 40 miles to the site of the crime, but I have to think about the way those people live.
Now you said in an article before Bilderberg this year that it's violating federal law to have public officials meeting in secret with the power elite.
Why do you say that?
What's the law?
Well, the law came to my attention during the Clinton years when the first alleged lady, Hillary, decided to reform the nation's health care system into a Canadian-style single-payer system.
She set up this big, fat health care task force.
It involved so-called experts from the private sector and the government.
They held secret meetings.
Judge Royce Lambert, federal judge, chewed the White House out.
Chewed out their lawyers.
He pointed out
And he said it's going to put federal law for federal employees to meet behind closed doors with private citizens to discuss and plan public policy.
Wasn't Ross Perot on that board?
On what board?
On the secret healthcare board.
I don't know if he was or not.
There's about 300 of them.
Well, actually, the board itself, I don't think this was secret.
They were kind of proud of being on the task force.
There'd be stories about this guy and that guy on the task force and this or that, but they would actually have secret meetings behind closed doors.
Nobody knows what transpired behind the closed doors.
But the White House was fined several hundred thousand dollars for violating the civil penalty for violating
Yeah, Rumsfeld and the Prince of Darkness Richard Perle are there, right in the middle of all this.
The Asian Times reported that Rumsfeld was there and that Pearl was there, but you're saying you can't confirm that Rumsfeld was there?
I've not personally confirmed Rumsfeld.
I've personally confirmed Pearl.
Now, who else was there and what were some of the other agendas that you got from your spies inside?
Let's see, as far as who is there is concerned, the next week's paper is going to list all those that we identified.
I don't, of course, don't have it in front of me at the moment, but as I said, so far as we can determine the regulars were there, Rocknell's, Kissinger's, and Richard Perrill's, all identified.
As far as their agenda was concerned, they were, of course, angry about
I don't
The UN inspection team was not finding them.
Your boys have already called home that you're not finding weapons of mass destruction.
Now Jim, we all know that the Central Bankers of Europe own our fellow reserve.
We all know that they're together on these big moves.
And so you believe there is a real fissure on the subject of the Pax America or this global empire being based in the U.S., not Europe.
Well, then why is Bush bad-mouthing the dollar and helping Europe out by driving up the euro when we saw the Davos Switzerland Forum almost four years ago where they agreed to drive down the dollar?
We see unification on subjects like that.
Yes, the dollar is
It costs about $1.15 to buy one euro now.
So when you travel Europe, it's going to cost you a little bit more.
And the Secretary of Treasury says that's just fine.
It'll help our exports.
But the stock market didn't buy that and started plunging.
Any adventures that you had?
I mean, we know you've been arrested, kidnapped, grabbed, followed.
What happened this year in Paris or in Versailles?
Oh, just the usual shadowing.
Nothing dramatic as far as being grabbed or detained.
The shadow is always with me.
Of course, they're not hard to spot.
It's just the same two men who are always in the same room you are at all times.
As long as you're in the trio, I don't think they were...
I didn't observe them under footage at Novotel where I was staying along with the other reporters, which is about a mile away from me.
Well, three years ago in Portugal, you know, there's a video of the black cars with the men in black sunglasses following you around.
Yes, that was when the Channel 4 of England guys, of London guys, were with me.
They were driving.
They were very concerned about these guys following us around, but I told them it's rather normal.
Well, as far as the
Their agenda is concerned.
They're also very cynical about our role in the Middle East.
They were telling the Americans that Sharon should be ordered by the United States to accept the very modest demands made on the so-called Roadmap to Peace, which only requires that the Israelis withdraw to the
We're good to go.
The American administration has always opposed Israeli expansion with your mouth, but not your money.
Alright, stay there.
There's also an article about Israel joining the EU.
We'll find out if you heard about that.
Take a call or two.
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And they're in a fight over power right now, and they're trying to indict Tommy Franks.
And you'll see the response of the Globalist on this side of the Atlantic.
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He's very busy when he gets back from Bilderberg meetings.
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Jim, I know there's other points you'd probably like to make, and we'll do those coming up in the next hour.
But right now, let's go to Regina in Pennsylvania.
Regina, you're on with Jim Tucker, covering the Bilderberg Group for 26 years.
Go ahead.
Thank you, Mr. Tucker.
I just had to bring something up, Alex.
You mentioned about Rockefeller, you know, getting his wine and going a long ways.
Something real interesting this morning on the 50,000-watt coming out of
Pittsburgh area, there was a comment by the talk show host that in Russia, for some kind of celebration, he might be familiar with what this was.
Vladimir Putin's going to use aircraft and magnetic systems to clear the skies.
Yeah, isn't that wonderful?
Yeah, that's from the Times of London.
You can purchase that for $1,500,000, they will guarantee to clear any skies, any time, for any parade or function.
But the general public says there is no weather control.
Well, that confirmed it for sure, and it's way out in the open.
And I just encourage people that with the good work you've done with this, all your movies and stuff, but laying it out in this descendant of tyranny, with us going into this commission under Lee Hamilton and the governor, you know, get this information into your congressmen.
Make them not forget that... Do you have any comments, though, for our guest?
Just the good work and he just, you know, makes everybody realize that it's all our job to really find out, even though it's, you know, intimidating.
Twenty-six years ago when he started, no one knew about Bilderberg Group and now most Americans know about it.
Thanks for the call, Regina.
Jim, any comments to what she just said?
Thank you.
Just thank her for these kind words.
Jim, we're about to break.
Any other key areas that you can reveal about this year's Bilderberg Conference that you'll tell us about when we get back?
Very good.
What are some of the other areas you might mention?
I want to understand that division and who the power players are here.
And if it's a real division, when we get back, you can answer that.
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Already into the second hour of this live Friday edition.
We've got Big Jim Tucker on the line.
We'll have time to take a few other calls before he leaves us.
The total free number to join us is 800-259-9231.
For 40 years, he's been covering politics in Washington for some of the big syndicates.
Then 25, 26 years ago, he started covering the Bilderberg Group.
We're good to go.
Increase world taxation and regulation, bring in a new world order, but Jim is giving us accurate information for decades from what he gets from his spies inside the conferences because he gets there beforehand and gets people to get him information once they find out how corrupt they are.
Jim has said that a very telling piece of evidence is a lot of times the hotel workers won't talk to him before they've been threatened with firing and blackballing and blacklisting, but once they see the corruption they will always come to him and spill their guts
And he was telling us about a rare division.
Have you ever seen division like this in the 100-power elite, Jim?
Not until last year, and to a much greater extent this year.
I mean, the language is something so congenial, but sometimes kind of really rough, like the European Bilderberg had told a grim-faced American, you are too stupid to know when you've been assaulted by a moral midget.
And he was referring to the fact that at the very moment
Powell was, Secretary of State Colin Powell was on his knees before Errol Sharon saying, please accept the roadmap to peace.
He was rejecting it with sneering contempt, according to the Jerusalem Post.
He ridiculed any idea that there would be no suspension of settlements in the occupied areas, in the occupied Palestinian lands of West Bank and Gaza.
He made the point that
Sharon made the point that all American presidents, all American administrations have always opposed Israeli expansion and occupation of Palestinian lands.
But we'd do it anyway, and the strong implication there was, we're going to give them blank check aid no matter what they do.
Why would the Rothschild-controlled EU, allied with the Dutch and British royalty, why would they be against Israel's expansion?
All these years, it's been much more widely reported in Europe, the brutality of the occupation, the wars of expansion in 1967, they call it a pre-emptive strike, they destroyed the Egyptian air force on the ground, they deliberately sunk the USS Liberty ship, killing 34 Americans.
Trying to blame that on Egypt, trying to blame that on Egypt.
Well, even earlier stories have been confirmed by Casey, the late CIA director, in a book published posthumously.
We just had something this week.
He said that he was absolutely sure that Israel knew there was an American ship, as was Secretary of State, oh Lord, what's his name, under
Well, I've had Admiral Thomas Moore on this show to say that they let that happen, that our government was involved with Israel trying to sink a deployment on Egypt for World War III.
Oh yes, Admiral Moore is very strong on that point and has been all of these years.
We're good to go.
The six billion dollars a year we get, and that's another long story about them forgetting the so-called loans.
Okay, but the question is, why is the EU, I think this is only on the surface, why is this going on?
Stay there, we've got a few calls for you, Jim Tucker.
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Exposing the liberals, exposing the neocons.
In reality, between the Republicans and Democrats, there's no difference, only in the rhetoric.
A neocon talk show host.
Lie to the public.
Manipulate the public.
Try to steer you into thinking the Republicans are going to save you when they're really the heart of the New World Order takeover.
We know what the Democrats are.
The Republicans are Trojan horses.
We're talking to Jim Tucker, American Free Press, and we're about to go to Umar and Daryl and others, and then we're going to have another guest coming on.
Jim, you say in your 26 years of covering Bilderberg you've never seen divisions until last year.
Now we're seeing divisions again.
Do you believe this is a genuine split inside the power elite of the New World Order at Vildenberg Group?
I believe it is a genuine heartfelt dissent, but I do think they'll repair it and kiss and make up.
This will pass, but it's interesting they're capable of disagreeing, particularly over
The war in the Middle East, to a lesser extent.
On this issue of the independent European Union Army, it is not eyeball to eyeball between the United States and the European Bilderbergs.
Many European Bilderbergs are opposed to the separate European Union Army, especially George Robertson, the Secretary General of NATO.
Obviously, he does not want to see a rival.
The Union Army would not be much of a rival to NATO, but he says it would be incoherent to have a separate force.
So we have jockeying of, will NATO be the global force?
Will the EU Army be the NATO force?
How will America's military factor in as a unit of that force?
This transatlantic battle over the shape of the New World Order, you say, is a service thing.
Deep down at the roots, they agree on the overall New World Order strategy of destroying national sovereignty?
I think the result will be nothing more than a European Union army that is a wing of NATO, a sublet of NATO, or maybe it will not come into existence at all, although it seems to be gearing up pretty quickly because, as Robertson and some of the others said, this has been incoherent.
NATO has now been established for the last two years.
That is the World Army of the United Nations.
I think we mentioned this last year because it came about during the 50th anniversary celebration of NATO in Washington when heads of state said this, they said that now that we've invaded Yugoslavia, first time NATO fired a shot in anger was to invade, not to defend Europe as this charter required, we can now go anywhere in the world
Where our services are needed.
We have the Bush's grandfather Prescott trading with the enemy, running most Nazi operations in this country, Brown Brother Harriman.
How does all this factor in together?
Because it seems to be cut from the same cloth.
Then you've got weirdo Rothschilds involved.
What is the overall driving ideology of the Bilderberg Group?
Who is the dominant subgroup in that 100 power brokers?
Well, money is power.
Power is money.
You make money on wars, arming both sides of
I don't know.
The Rothschilds, at least in recent years, have not attended by name.
Twenty years ago, there would always be Baron Edmund, the Rothschild, and there was Evelyn Rothschild.
At first, I thought Evelyn Rothschild was a woman, but it's a man.
Now, the Rothschild family is there, but through marriage and so forth, they have different last names.
Okay, let's talk to Umar in Michigan.
Umar, you're on the air.
Go ahead, sir.
How you doing?
Alright, Mr. Parker?
Yes, sir.
I'm very familiar with your work in the spotlight.
You know, being well-read on the subject of the New World Order, I've talked to various people like Dr. Don Coleman, Anthony J. Hilder, and Bill Cooper.
I've read a lot of books about it, this and that.
And up until now,
You know, nothing ever happened as far as them coming out like they have recently.
Now, what I understand from reading Carol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope, they want to get rid of blacks' undesirable population and, you know, the scars and other race-targeted virus that they got out here, like HIV.
And everything.
This leads me to believe that I'm being attacked.
The question I think he's raising is how the Ted Turners and Prince Phillips of the world say they want to reduce world populations and then lo and behold are involved in controversial vaccine programs worldwide.
Any comments to that environmentalist agenda in the Bilderberg Group?
They want to control the world population and they all have a platoon of children themselves.
Well, it's interesting.
So any comments to what you've gotten in the 26 years of covering them when it comes to eugenics and population and all that?
Well, year after year they've called for population control.
By population control they mean stop breeding so fast in the poor countries.
And they've advocated, which many of us would not, publicly funded abortions on demand, which raises moral issues with a lot of
A lot of us Americans.
China is also their model with forced abortion and femicide.
They love the Chinese model, do they not?
Yes, I think in China you're punished if you have more than one child or something.
One last question, and I'm going to let you go.
With all this proof that we have, or rumor in the Indio about treason and so forth,
Why isn't anything being done about it?
You know, I mean, we can pull up all kinds of stuff.
I understand the question, and thank you, sir, for the call.
We only have time for one more caller.
Because the establishment is the establishment, they regulate themselves.
We got the Fox guarding the hen house.
Any comment to that, Jim?
Except that I agree with you.
Yeah, and Alex, I tend to agree more with you.
I think this so-called rift is much more just on-the-surface type stuff, sort of like the professional wrestling we see between the Republican and Democratic leadership in the House and Senate.
To think that low-level guys like George Bush and Colin Powell are acting independently and the U.S.
is doing all this stuff in Iraq on their own against the Europeans' interests.
It just seems like more good cop, bad cop, with the U.S.
being the bad cop and the U.N.
and the Europeans being the good cop.
Do you agree with that?
We've got Bush bad-mouthing the dollar, exactly what the Europeans asked for four years ago in Davos, Switzerland.
Jim, any comments?
The anchor between the Europeans and Americans was quite visible.
I think it is sincere, as far as the two main topics of the Middle East and the invasion of Iraq is concerned.
Otherwise, they're all singing in the same choir.
So, on a hundred other issues of globalism there together, and that's all expanding, why is the EU contingent of the Bilderberg Group against taking over all these sovereign countries, or do they want to do it through detente instead of the military?
Uh, they talk instead of military.
Okay, but why is that?
Because they have large Muslim populations and the general public is against it?
Uh, yes, and they, uh, well, they're very concerned over so-called nationalism.
The election in Belgium this past Sunday, they were discussing it even while they were meeting.
Uh, I forgot the name of the party, escapes me, the strong nationalist party.
In Belgium, they've picked up about 18 seats in their legislature, which is, they're considering punishing Belgium, even as they punished Austria for having a free election, which George Heider's party did well a few years ago.
So, all of these elements come into play.
There's also been assassinations carried out against more conservative organizations.
I believe so, yes.
Anything else, real quick?
Yes, Alex, would you both agree that John Kennedy was the last American leader that really showed a big streak of independence?
And I'll drop off.
Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
Comments on JFK?
Yes, I voted for Nixon in 1960, but Kennedy was very strong on trying to
Uh, keep Israel under control, to keep Israel from expanding its borders, and there's much speculation about it.
Could that have been the, uh, one of the reasons he was killed?
Well, he'd always gone with their agenda, and then suddenly after he saw the Northwoods plan, the U.S.
government plan to carry out terror deployment on enemies, and then this has even been on Frontline now, they finally mentioned it.
He moved to abolish the CIA, abolish the Federal Reserve, print our own money instead of Federal Reserve notes, the other side of Vietnam, and the Israel thing, and I think all of that together contributed to the globalist going after Kennedy.
Why do you think Kennedy defected into the people's ranks there at the end, Jim?
Well, the Kennedy's never have been associated with the big bucks boys because they're snobs.
The Kennedy money was new money.
The Rockefeller money is old money by American standards.
I don't think so.
They were not part of the elite.
Well, but I really appreciate you coming on the show.
Jim Tucker, we'll check in with you.
It was my pleasure.
We appreciate your work.
How do folks go to the website or how do they call and get a subscription to American Free Press?
Just call 202-544-5977 and we'll be happy to sign you up.
202-544-5977 or AmericanFreePress.net.
Alright, Jim, thank you for coming on the show.
God bless you.
Appreciate it.
Of course, my websites are InfoWars.com, InfoWars.net, and PrisonPlanet.com, and I would add a caveat to all of this that this is theater to manipulate the population, but definitely there are some internal fights going on, as Jim said, on the surface.
We'll be back, take more calls, and I've got, speaking of Belgium, I've got a doctor involved in a war crimes tribunal over there.
Talk about the indictment of General Franks, war crimes, some of the real stuff that went on in Iraq.
We'll talk about this whole development.
Stay with us.