The Alex Jones Show discusses the potential threats of artificial intelligence and its implications
on society. Dr. Hugo DeGaris shares his views on AI research and development, including two
different approaches to creating it - engineering-based and copying the brain structure. The
interview also touches upon political motivations behind AI projects like DARPA's Synapse Project,
EU's Facets Project, and Obama administration's BRAIN Initiative. DeGaris expresses his concerns
about military uses of advanced machines and raises questions about who controls these technologies.
Two possible scenarios discussed are the Cosmos vs Terrans, representing factions that could form
rivalry over technological advancements like AI soldiers or prioritize human dominance on Earth. The
potential conflict over the development of artificial intelligence is further discussed in terms of
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This is February the 19th, 2015.
And everybody is talking about the coming of artificial intelligence.
Is it going to be an existential threat to humanity?
Is it going to wipe out humanity?
Of course, we've had the utopian visions of Ray Kurzweil.
But we're going to be talking today to one of the pioneers of Artificial Intelligence, Dr. Hugo deGarris.
I would call his work that he put out about 10 years ago, The Artilect War, I would call it a seminal step in the discussion as to where we're going with Artificial Intelligence.
Of course, he believes that it's not only probable, but inevitable, that we are going to have super intelligent machines, that we begin it, that they finish it.
Think of Terminator, where the Skynet became self-aware, and then Malevolent.
He is definitely in the dystopian camp, as we have also seen with Elon Musk, with Stephen Hawkins.
Even Bill Gates came out and said he was concerned about it, even though Microsoft was saying, no, we're not concerned about it at all.
It's just fine.
And of course, Ray Kurzweil is working with Google.
They've been busy acquiring all of the key technologies, the key companies that are developing the technologies that would be used for artificial robots.
And I think even more troubling in the near term is a war between And over, not over artificial intelligence, whether it's going to be developed.
Of course, that's the central premise of Dr. DeGaris.
We're going to talk to him about that.
What concerns me so much is that it's going to be used by the elites, that it won't be necessarily a war over artificial intelligence, but a war using artificial intelligence.
And we keep seeing this come up over and over again throughout these DARPA projects.
So we're going to talk to him about what the state of the art is right now with artificial intelligence.
We're going to have him make his case for the inevitability of not only artificial intelligence, the Artilex as he calls them, but also of a conflict between what he calls two groups of humans, the Cosmos and the Terrans.
Not as terrorists, but people who are concerned about humanity, about the Earth, who want to somehow get control of this technology he believes is going to get out of control.
And I think one of the most interesting things about this Is what I would call the paradox that you see in his work.
He's drawn to do this even though he believes it's going to result in the extinction of humanity.
We're also going to be joined in the third hour by Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.
We'll talk to him about some breaking news stories.
There's a lot happening today.
We've got Obama's secret internet regulations are starting to get some Scrutiny.
Of course, everything that the government does is secret.
Whether it's Obamacare that we have to pass so we can find out what's in it.
Just like we see with the Transatlantic Partnership, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, being negotiated in secret by corporate lobbyists.
And of course, our representatives, our senators, our congressmen are not allowed to see what that is.
It's going to be rushed through with a fast track.
They'll be presented with a large bill, just as they were with Obamacare.
No time to read it, not allowed to change it.
We're seeing that that is happening now with the bureaucracy within our own country, with the FCC.
The FEC is also talking about making new vast regulations that are going to regulate content of political speech.
I guess we're going to have mandatory vaccines where we have to take the vaccines before we can find out what's in them as well.
There's nothing but contempt from the elites in terms of what we should know about what's going on.
And of course, there's not only DARPA, but there's also an agency called IARPA, the Intelligence Advanced Research Project.
And they're busy working on predictions in terms of using artificial intelligence, as we talk about it, in the broader sense.
Using that to predict societal trends, to predict possible conflicts, civil war, disease outbreaks.
This is what they're doing.
They're wargaming the future.
They're looking at the possibilities.
That's what we're going to do today with Hugo de Guerra.
If they're wargaming this, don't you think you should be concerned about what's going to happen in the future?
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There is so much happening in the world right now that it's mind-blowing.
That's why you're all tuning in.
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It's incredible.
We've got a guest coming up later in the broadcast who's one of the world experts on AI and who is predicting there will be a war between artificial intelligence and humans.
And that's what the Pentagon and many other experts believe.
So they're racing to build the AI first, hoping that they'll control it.
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Notice they were saying 2045.
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Everything's being compressed.
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And David Dyke has done a lot of research on this, so coming up, you'll definitely want to get that whole analysis.
Also, if you visit InfoWars.com, you notice that Italy is having to put troops on the street.
Kurt Nimmo has an article about that, because ISIS now says they're going to flood Europe with 500,000 immigrants as psychological operation.
Now when you pull back and realize this is Saudi Arabia doing this and working with Obama and the globalists, it is a psychological operation to create the clash of civilizations.
Then radical Islam has given the whole Middle East, Africa, and much of Asia.
The globalists are able to turn us into a police state in the bargain that Saudi Arabia carries out to launch more terror attacks here in America, just like the 28 pages of the secret report now proves.
That Saudi Arabia was quarterbacking the 9-11 attacks.
So we see all this coming into view.
We see Obama with the summit.
He's openly saying that this is all about extremists, period, and he won't even call Islamicist radicals extremists.
Now, I don't want to kill the Muslims.
I have a lot of friends from college and high school that are Muslims and are nice, hard-working entrepreneurs and good people.
And so the cliché that all the Muslims want to blow us up, I don't agree with that.
I'm not Islamophobic, but I am radical Islamophobic, and that is becoming the dominant form of Islam by the sword it is taking over, just as Saudi Arabia took over from 1901 to 1932.
They had 200 square miles, and 30 years later, they had Syria, Saudi Arabia, and a whole bunch of other areas, with British intelligence financing them.
So this thing of using Al-Qaeda to attack the Russians, and Al-Qaeda to attack us on 9-11 and all this, it's just a repeat.
They're a secret army, a globalist cutout.
Now, the idiots on the ground fighting and killing are just pirates that want to rape and murder.
They're psychopaths.
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They're in the news facing Jesus, the prophet, will come back and fight for them.
They think Jesus is a prophet, not the son of God.
All of this is social engineering on a mass scale.
All of this.
Notice that it's Western governments flooding our countries, not just with Muslims, but with Muslims from the most radical areas, and then saying, race for terror attack, we've got to now take your freedoms.
But then meanwhile, the summits are all about gun owners and conservatives, and that's the Justice Department's main focus.
We already know this.
Infowars broke this, as you know, with the Mayak Report and other documents.
But now we have to get this out to everyone else who doesn't understand it.
Don't think just because you understand this, other people understand this.
Also, we need to understand perception.
Just like they say there's record gun deaths, but gun deaths are down since 1991.
51% FBI's own numbers.
The news is able to show all the gun deaths.
And I'm shifting gears right here just into psych control and how they spend things.
Just keep our mind on that.
So gun deaths are way down, but they're telling us it's way up.
Just like every day we have articles on Infowars.com, and I've told my writers, continue to do it, showing police killing innocent people, doing horrible things.
But remember, that's actually not up in the statistics.
In fact, in some areas it's down.
Because of media attention, it creates the perception that the police are out of control.
What's out of control is the central government trying to warp the police into something truly evil.
And they're pushing and promoting all this anti-cop stuff to then make the cops basically go into a psychology of only working with the feds and a gang mentality because they feel persecuted instead of us embracing the police and promoting a Bill of Rights culture.
That's what the enemy doesn't want.
So we post the articles of the wrongdoing so the bad cops get in trouble.
But that's only to clean up the police departments, not to demonize the police in general.
Local government, local control, farmers markets, Buy America, this is all the answer.
And I'm just skipping around here because there's so much news to cover.
Let's walk over to the computer right now.
Well, yeah, they made a mistake and it's terrible.
That's why she probably needed a gun herself to do it.
The police are there to arrest somebody once they've committed the crime and bring them to justice to the jury, to us, the people.
Italy puts trips on the street in response to Islamic State's psychological warfare.
ISIS believes Jesus will come.
Ted Cruz, Obama has become an apologist for radical Islamic terrorists.
Absolutely.
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Look at this, Hong Kong chief executive tells citizens to act more like sheep.
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College students condemned free speech in the First Amendment.
And that's a serious video.
Long form of them doing this.
So that's basically it, ladies and gentlemen.
Alex Jones signing off for this news update for this Thursday, the 19th transmission.
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Alright, that's Alex Jones with a message recorded earlier, breaking down some of the stories that are coming out today.
We have, as he mentioned at the beginning of the broadcast, we have Dr. Hugo de Geras, a pioneer of artificial intelligence.
And of course, ten years ago, he wrote a book called The Artilect War.
He has a very dystopian view of what may happen with artificial intelligence as someone who knows a great deal about it.
We're going to talk to him today from China.
He has been working up to his retirement in China on an artificial brain project in China.
Pretty much all of the countries are doing it.
That's one of the reasons that he believes, and makes a case for it in his book, is it's essentially a competition.
Just as we had the space gap with Sputnik, we got concerned about that.
Every country is concerned about falling behind militarily in doing the research.
That's what's driving this kind of, I would call it a DARPA kind of madness that we see.
Just yesterday, of course, we had the story Right out of The Matrix, talking about how DARPA is working on a brain implant to be powered from the spine that would go on the back of your neck.
They would project video directly into your brain bypassing the visual system that your body has.
Today we have a story that's up on Drudge Report about drones being used to seek out arteries in order to prevent heart attacks.
This is nanotechnology, microscopic drones that they would inject into your arteries that would then seek out plaque inside of the arteries and release a drug derived from, they say, a natural protein that repairs inflammation damage in the body.
As I look at this, I think maybe the Amish have the right idea.
I am definitely, as Dr. DeGaris would call it, I'm definitely in the Terran camp.
Not as a terrorist.
That doesn't mean terrorist.
That means Terra as in terra firma.
Earth.
Humanity.
That's the side I'm with.
Of course, he sympathizes with that, but he describes himself as a cosmos.
Someone who feels compelled to create this, what he believes, god-like intelligence that he thinks is not only coming soon, But is, and not just a high probability, but a certainty he believes that's going to happen.
And I think one of the things we want to talk to him about, besides the timing, besides how this might break out, he has a very, he laid this out ten years ago, how he thought this conflict would play out.
So we want to talk to him about the state of the art in research.
We want to see how he thinks this is going to play out.
But one of the things that I want to focus on, because it has implications for everyone who is a scientist or an engineer.
...is the ethics of this.
Because he's very conflicted about this.
He feels compelled to create this god-like intelligence, even though he personally believes that it will likely lead to the extinction of the human race.
There was a story on The Guardian today.
Artificial intelligence and nanotechnology, which he believes is an enabling technology for the kind of development of artificial intelligence that he foresees, Artificial intelligence and nanotech threaten civilization.
This is the Guardian.
They say in a recent Global Challenges Foundation proposal, they said such extreme intelligences could not easily be controlled either by the groups creating them or by some international regulatory regime and would probably act to boost their own intelligence and acquire maximal resources for almost all initial AI motivations.
They say if these motivations Don't include the survival of humanity.
It makes extreme intelligence of these A.I.s a unique risk in that extinction is more likely than with lesser impacts.
And they go through and they list in this article a whole bunch of different existential threats, threats to human existence.
Things like extreme climate change, nuclear war, global pandemic, ecological catastrophe, global system collapse, major asteroid impacts, supervolcano, synthetic biology, nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, unknown consequences, and here's the one we talk about all the time, future bad global governance.
See, that's the way I see the art-like war playing out.
I don't see it as a fight between people who are motivated to create the next god-like intelligence and people who are concerned that it's going to get out of hand and try to stop them like Terminator 2, as you saw Sarah Connors do, trying to shut down the scientists that she saw as being key to developing the future robots.
We actually saw Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, actually start doing that.
I don't see it happening that way.
I see the motivation coming.
from bad global governance.
The same kind of elite megalomaniacs, the kind of movie supervillains that have absolutely no regard for the human race and have talked about cutting it down to virtually nothing.
Virtually no one but them.
So stay with us.
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This segment I want to go over some of the news, especially what's going on with the Internet, because that is really key.
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You know, kind of like the way they protect us from violence in cities by becoming violent policemen.
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Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on this February 19th, 2015.
I'm David Knight, your host.
We'll be joined later in the show in the next hour by Dr. Hugo DeGaris, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence.
He's going to give us his very dystopian view of the future, but I think it's also important to talk to him because He represents, I think, the kind of paradox of ethics that we see with many people who work at all levels with the military-industrial complex.
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Now going back to the news here, the FCC, Mark Cuban was very upset by the idea that the FCC is enlarging its turf.
And of course, they've been after this for quite some time.
They are using the threat of large corporations shutting down and controlling your internet access.
They're using that threat in order to create a regulatory mechanism that can do exactly that.
They're saying we don't want to have gatekeepers of the Internet, corporate gatekeepers of the Internet, so we're going to set up government gatekeepers of the Internet.
Just look at how that has worked out for us with the FDA, with other regulatory agencies.
They get captured by the very companies, Monsanto, etc., that they're supposed to regulate.
They don't protect us.
We don't want to have this kind of expansive regulation.
It wasn't that long ago that the same FCC committee member that is blowing the whistle on these new secret rules that we're not allowed to look at, he also pointed out that they were looking at content.
They were going to send flyers out to print media, which has nothing to do with their jurisdiction.
But we see, just like we see the FAA trying to extend its jurisdiction over model planes, over paper airplanes, we had a National Transportation Safety Board judge slap them down and say, you don't have any authority over these lightweight models, these quadrocopters that are carrying cameras.
They tried to Assess a $10,000 fine against a guy who was working for the University of Virginia.
He flew a five-pound styrofoam drone over the University of Virginia taking pictures.
They tried to assess a $10,000 fine and the judge slapped it down and said, if we go with the argument that you, the FAA, are trying to make, we're going to regulate even down to paper airplanes and balsa wood airplanes.
But that was repealed.
They appealed that decision and the NTSB board overruled that judge.
And so now that's exactly what the FAA is doing.
This is the way all of these bureaucracies are rolling out and expanding their power.
It's not just Obama with his executive orders.
It's these bureaucracies that are writing the laws, calling them regulations.
But Congress no longer writes the laws.
Congress isn't even allowed to see what the FCC is planning on doing to the internet.
It's secret.
There's over 300 pages.
One of the commissioners who's blowing the whistle on that has seen it, but of course the senators haven't.
Senator Rand Paul, Mike Lee, others have complained about this.
They're not allowed to see it.
They're not allowed to see the trade agreements that are being negotiated by corporations and transatlantic, transpacific trade agreements.
This is the kind of secretive government.
Of course, Mark Cuban says, look, I wouldn't have a problem if you wanted to use the FCC or Congress.
He doesn't even say the FCC.
He rightfully says Congress.
Congress should pass the laws, not the bureaucracies.
He says, I don't have an objection to Congress passing a law saying that Internet providers can't discriminate or block legal websites.
See, that's the way it's going to be used.
That's the whole purpose, however, of the FCC's movement behind this.
Just take a look at this story.
It's up on Infowars.com today.
Federal government demands social media censorship.
This is a Republican congressman from Texas, Ted Pope, chair of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism.
See, it's always done in the name of security.
And he's saying, you know, we need to force Twitter to take stuff down.
Look, it's not something that is not being... They have paid trolls.
They've been doing it in Afghanistan.
They do it here in CONUS in the continental United States.
You can see their work, these paid Pentagon trolls and government homeland security trolls.
If you want to see their work, just go to our website.
Go to Infowars.com.
You'll see them hanging out in the comments section.
You'll see them on YouTube hanging out in the comments section.
The same guys all the time.
That's what they do.
They actually war game that.
They actually measure your response to see if they can push you in a certain direction.
That's what they've been doing for a long time.
So, you know, they aren't necessarily censoring content from ISIS.
They want to censor Political content.
That's what the FEC, the Federal Elections Commission, wants to do as well.
We also have a story up on Infowars.com.
Google warns of U.S.
government, quote, hacking any facility in the world.
This is an obscure rule that essentially says that the FBI needs to get search warrants from a judge that has jurisdiction.
By removing that requirement, Then they can have a judge quote-unquote give them authority to go anywhere, even outside of this country.
And of course, I guess that's kind of a novel idea that any branch of government would even bother to get a search warrant anymore with the kind of dragnet surveillance we have here.
But this is what Google is saying.
They say this opens the door to the U.S.
government hacking any facility in the world.
They say FBI agents would be able to carry out covert raids on servers no matter where they were situated, giving the U.S.
government unfettered global access to vast amounts of private information.
Now understand, They're not just talking, really.
Primarily they're talking here about a virtual hacking.
In other words, when they talk about a covert raid, they're really talking primarily about a computer hack job on any server anywhere in the world.
But understand that that isn't where it's going to stop.
You're going to wind up having American SWAT teams, special forces, descending on people.
That's where this is going to stop.
They say the nature of these government searches, they say, could take place anywhere in the world.
The concern is not theoretical.
This is what Google is saying.
The nature of today's technology is such that warrants issued under the proposed amendment will in many cases end up authorizing the government to conduct searches outside the United States.
Perhaps this is the way Google is trying to repair their reputation after having been started.
By the CIA and being involved with a lot of this government spying.
Now they're warning us what they, I guess they've been told the government is already getting ready to do.
And of course, we just learned earlier this week that there was hacks, NSA hacks, into the lower level software, I'm sorry, software on the hard drives, into the firmware so that they could essentially boot up A spy program as the hard drives are turned on.
And we've seen in the past that the special tactical group that the NSA has has been intercepting packages as they've been shipped out, changing the hardware, putting stuff into computers, into hard drives.
This is some spyware that's been discovered by a Russian group, Kaspersky.
And they pointed out that it shares exactly the same methods of working as Stutznet, and everybody understands that Stutznet was something that was done by the United States and Israeli military against the Iranians, attacking, interestingly enough, their hard drives.
And no matter how many times they tried to wipe those hard drives, it just kept coming back because it was down at the boot level firmware.
We talked many times about DARPA as we mentioned yesterday and earlier today.
The story from yesterday that DARPA is working on a Matrix-like hack to go into the spine and the back of the neck and straight out of the Matrix.
Of course, perhaps they gave them some information.
We see a lot of predictive programming going on in the movies.
And of course that's what we're going to be talking about in the next hour.
We have one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence who foresees a Terminator-like future for us.
A system where the artificial intelligence becomes self-aware.
Not only self-aware, but malevolent.
So we're going to talk to him about his dystopian view, which stands in stark contrast to Ray Kurzweil's utopian view.
And of course, Ray Kurzweil is someone who thinks that this is going to play out as cyborgs.
He thinks he's going to merge with the machines.
He calls it the singularity.
Dr. DeGaris calls it the single hilarity.
He thinks that that's not going to happen whatsoever.
So we'll talk to him as to why he thinks it isn't going to be a merging of man and machine, but we'll also talk to him about how quickly he thinks this is going to happen.
It's not just DARPA that's creating these types of over-the-top science fiction developments that we see.
It's also an intelligence advanced research project called IARPA.
And as we mentioned on the news briefly yesterday, they're looking at ways to predict what's going to happen in society.
One paper that they came out with said that Anticipatory intelligence is considered to be one of the next frontiers of big data research, and they see that their customers, the people that they're going to support in making these decisions, are national security, law enforcement, and intelligence missions.
And what are they looking for?
Well, they're going to try to forecast things like disease outbreaks, elections, See, our national security and law enforcement needs to know who's going to win the next election.
They also want to know about domestic political crises and civil unrest.
So that's the types of things that they're looking at.
And of course this agency, really, which hasn't gotten a lot of attention like DARPA has, because we know, we've seen all of these robotics projects that DARPA has come out with.
The dogs, we just had a smaller version of Big Dog.
Every time you see that thing, you've got somebody walking up to it and kicking it so that you can see how it can regain its balance.
Every time I look at that thing, I want to kick it as well.
But of course, the large robotics projects that DARPA sponsored, you should understand too that the very first competition that DARPA ever did was for self-driving cars, as they like to call them.
I call them computer-driven, government-controlled cars, because controlling Transportation, controlling your movements, is as important in total totalitarian societies as it is to control everything that you read, everything that you see.
So they want to control the internet, they also want to control the actual highway, not just the information highway.
Now, IARPA, this not very well-known agency, back in October of last year, they had a special fair that they invited people to come see, a few select journalists.
They say it was an industry day.
And the people reporting on this, of course, they were invited, they invited the federal, the FCW, which is some kind of a federal I'm trying to look at the paper here, I don't see what agency it is.
But it's basically an internet site that reports on what the federal government is doing for federal workers.
They say that they're the same program where they're looking at predicting what's going to happen with crowds, looking at publicly available data and predicting how things are going to break, whether it's going to be civil unrest, looking to see if people are getting sick.
We know that they're mining social media furiously and saving this and then also trying to use it to move the population in a particular direction.
They say they had an industry day.
They said it was very upbeat.
This is a federal workers' site.
They said they had a welcome package, including a handout with a quote from the New York Times, saying that IARPA is one of the government's most creative agencies.
And then they had this to say, which I thought was interesting, coming from kind of a puff piece.
They say, but the openness has its limits.
Media were welcome as long as they didn't quote officials by name.
I can't have that.
An IARPA analyst grew visibly uncomfortable at seeing a reporter at his demonstration, and he quickly summoned a public affairs officer to serve as intermediary.
Yeah, I don't think they're going to be inviting me or anybody else here at InfoWars to come to their industry days.
We might be actually quoting some of these guys and telling people what they're actually planning on doing, even though most of their plans are secret.
Now, one of the articles that I saw in Drudge Report today about Marco Rubio, and of course he's saying that Homeland Security funding must continue despite this fight over immigration.
One of the few things the Republicans did not fully fund throughout the entire year was Homeland Security to give them a little bit of leverage, perhaps, over the immigration debate.
Because that is being done, Obama's amnesty is being enacted through the Department of Homeland Security.
Rubio doesn't think that that should happen.
He thinks that it's just too important.
We have to do this for our own security, for our national security.
Let's think about this.
As I point out in the article, they say Obama's order is going to let immigrants get here illegally and work, get work permits, they can collect Social Security, they can get Medicare, and they can get tax credits from previous years by just filing some paperwork with the IRS.
When they can do all of that, it makes me ask the question, how does Marco Rubio really define security?
How do you define security?
If you have no control over your borders, if you have a massive cloward and pivot takedown of the economy with handing out massive financial incentives for people to come here and giving them social security, giving them tax refunds from previous years when they may or may not have been here.
When you destroy the economy of a country like that, when you destroy control over the borders, how then do you define security?
Is security something that is there only to protect the government's continuity of government?
I think maybe in his world it does because there was another article that came out just a couple of days ago at the International Students for Liberty meeting in D.C.
that was just last week.
I think it might have been this last weekend.
Justin Amash Talked about Marco Rubio.
Now, Marco Rubio is for permanently reauthorizing the Patriot Act.
That's what he was concerned about.
Here's the quote from Marco Rubio.
It was an op-ed piece that he had, and it was on foxnews.com.
Marco Rubio said, this year, a new Republican majority in both houses of Congress will have to extend current authorities under the FISA Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
I urge my colleagues to consider a permanent extension of the counter-terrorism tools our intelligence community relies on to keep the American people safe.
So we don't have to worry about a Cloward and Piven takedown of our economy with open borders.
That's not a threat to our security.
We have to have the Patriot Act made permanent.
Now, after he did that, Congressman Justin Amash retweeted that with the single word comment, disqualified.
I think Amash is exactly right.
That disqualifies him as a senator.
Not simply as a presidential candidate or as a vice presidential running mate, which is probably what he's angling for.
And of course, the Patriot Act's illegal Section 215, which is what they've used to justify their dragnet surveillance, that is coming up for reauthorization.
It's set to expire June 1st.
We should let it expire.
And we should let Marco Rubio expire in his Senate term, not give him any more power.
It's a very, very disturbing thing to see the Patriot Act made permanent.
We need to all be aware of what's going on.
We need to roll this back, not just be aware of it.
Stay with us, we'll be right back with some more news before we go to Hugo DeGaris.
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As I pointed out before, we're going to be joined in the next hour with Dr. Hugo de Geras, one of the pioneers of artificial intelligence.
He's going to talk to us about his dystopian projections for the future, if this comes to fruition.
He believes that it is inevitable, so we're going to talk to him about why he believes that.
As well as we'll take some of your calls and questions for him.
He's agreed to stay a little bit longer with us so that we can take some calls.
He'll be joining us in the next hour.
We'll be taking your calls at the top of the third hour.
Now in the last segment we were talking about Marco Rubio.
Who wants to make the Patriot Act authorization permanent.
He wants to make the dragnet surveillance that we see happening.
He wants to make that permanent.
He wants to fund Homeland Security, which is being used to carry out Obama's executive orders.
That's the little bit of leverage, even that little bit.
That little bone that was thrown to the Republican voting base by Boehner and others, that we're going to try to pull back some of this open border stuff with Homeland Security because border control is under Homeland Security.
Even that, Marco Rubio says, no, no, no, we don't want to tie any conditions to Homeland Security.
Let's just let them do whatever they want to.
Let's go business as usual, fund everything.
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He seems undeterred.
Well, that has been the nature of the Obama presidency from day one.
You know, it's interesting.
He says the law is on his side.
There is at least one person who calls himself a legal scholar who disagrees, and his name is Barack Obama.
22 times, President Obama has admitted he doesn't have the authority to issue unilateral amnesty.
22 times he says the Constitution doesn't allow it.
He said, this is not a monarchy.
That's his quote.
That's a fact.
And then after the last election, he said, never mind, and issued it anyway.
Yeah, and he just keeps getting away with it because the Republicans refuse to impeach him.
Even though we have a majority in the Senate and we have a very large majority in the House, they won't even attempt it.
Now they'll tell you that they don't have a large enough majority to get it through the Senate.
That hasn't stopped them from passing the Keystone Pipeline ten times.
They know they're not going to get that through.
But they want to show that they're working for their real constituents, the big corporations behind the Keystone Pipeline.
They could care less about the Republican voters.
Now we do have some good news out of South Dakota.
We see that they have passed constitutional carry.
This is a message that went out from Gun Owners of America yesterday saying that the South Dakota State House has passed constitutional carry that will allow people in South Dakota to exercise their Second Amendment rights to carry a firearm.
Now we'll have to see if it gets through the other house and if the governor signs it.
But you know, it basically recognizes that the Second Amendment addresses a right of the people, not a privilege granted by the government.
That's also very positive news.
And we also see that...
Frozen temperatures everywhere, even Niagara Falls is frozen.
There's an article on CNN talking about how it's such a sight that it's become a tourist attraction to see the frozen Niagara Falls and of course the Great Lakes have frozen over.
We've got Lake Erie with 98% ice and there's an article from M Live that talks about how the Great Lakes ice is growing faster than even last year's frigid winter.
They say not only is Lake Erie above where it was last year, but Lake Huron is also closing in on its record last year.
Lake Ontario, 78.5% ice.
Last year it was just 31.5% ice.
You know, there's decreased solar activity.
We also have more CO2.
I would say that perhaps that points to some failed climate change models.
Maybe it's not man-made, and maybe the globe is not warming.
Stay with us, we're going to be right back.
We've got a little bit more news, and then Hugo de Garris is going to be joining us from China.
We're going to be joined by, in the next segment, by Dr. Hugo DeGaris, artificial intelligence pioneer.
We're going to talk to him about his book, The Art-Like War, Cosmos versus Terrans, a bitter controversy concerning whether humanity should build god-like massive intelligent machines.
And one of the interesting things about this book, not only does he lay out some of the principles of artificial intelligence and how he thinks it's going to get there, talks a little bit about the time frame, But the thing that I found interesting about it was his conflicted interest in this, because he sees this resulting in the extinction of the human species.
Nevertheless, he feels compelled to create what he believes are going to be god-like artificial intelligences that he calls the Artilex.
So we're going to talk to him in the next segment.
We have some news that we haven't gone over just yet.
I wanted to Talk about this World Net Daily story that came up from Jerome Corsi.
And of course, it involves the appointment of Attorney General nominee Loretta Lynch.
And it's her role in the Obama administration's decision not to prosecute HSBC and other banks for massive money laundering.
Money laundering for terrorist groups, for drug groups.
Remember when this came out, there was a lot of talk about not only Are these banks too big to fail?
But the Obama administration, under the previous Attorney General, Eric Holder, said with his spokesperson, said, you know, it just wouldn't serve anybody's best interest for us to send any of these bank officials to jail.
Anybody else doing this would be sent to jail in a heartbeat.
Some of the most massive money laundering in terms of The quantity that they've done and the blatancy with which they did it, we've never seen.
And not only did they just give them a slap on the wrist and a small fine, but as they were working on that, we've had on our show Everett Stern, who is a whistleblower who worked at HSBC, and he alleged that he was part of the group with the first time they got caught doing money laundering, they came in and said, we're going to let you off.
If you'll police this better so they hired a bunch of people and Everett was one of them to look at the transfers to scrutinize them they had software that was supposed to flag this stuff He asserts that it was simply a cover-up, that they were trying deliberately to look the other way.
They were not training people to actually do anything with it, even as they were getting their hands slapped for a prior violation.
He was pointing out that search terms looking for individuals or organizations that were drug dealers or terrorist groups, that they would insert things like periods or spaces inside of the name so that there would not be a character match, so that these things would go through that they would insert things like periods or spaces inside of the name And did very little to train anybody to actually do any detective work.
He says that when he started doing it, he got slapped down.
Well, this is a whistleblower from HSBC, John Cruz, who is now talking about what he saw and talking about, again, Obama's attorney general nominee who was supposed to replace Eric Holder.
And unfortunately, Eric Holder is going to be retiring.
He's not going to a jail cell as he should be going based on the many things that he's covered up previously.
Fast and Furious, the IRS scandals where the IRS is being used against political enemies.
Seems like nothing will take him down.
Nevertheless, some people are starting to pay attention to the HSBC whistleblower pointing out the Attorney General nominee's role in the Obama administration covering up and just giving a hand slap to them.
We also see that Michelle Obama and Barack Obama are having a wonderful Valentine's Day.
This is really, I guess, we need to call back, you know, Robin Leach to talk about lifestyles of the rich and famous.
You know, champagne dreams and caviar wishes or however that went.
They have a very expensive getaway according to the Daily Mail.
The first family's Valentine Day apart cost the taxpayers at least two and a half million dollars as Barack golfed in California while Michelle went on a secret ski trip to Aspen.
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And until his retirement in late 2010, he was a professor at Xiamen University, he can correct me if I said that wrong, where he taught theoretical physics and computer science, and he ran the Artificial Brain Lab, funded by the Chinese government.
And of course, most of the governments have some kind of an artificial brain lab that is going on.
Before we go to Dr. DeGaris, I want to read this to you from his book, The Artelect War.
This was written in 2000.
In 2005, about 10 years ago, of course, he had identified the issue, the problem, some time before he, quite a bit before he wrote the book.
He's been working in artificial intelligence for over 30 years.
This is what he said in this 2005 book.
He said, the issue is far too important to be confined to intellectual discussions amongst a bunch of nerdy scientists.
In time, it will concern everyone, because if Cosmos are serious in their threat to build artilects, everyone will be affected one way or the other.
So he says, an effective beginning to getting people to talk about the issue is to write a book, and a book will help journalists become familiar with the problem.
They'll in turn write about it for the greater reading public, which we've been doing here at InfoWars for quite some time.
We've been talking about it as well.
Similar reasoning applies to TV and radio journalists, who can present these ideas to an even wider audience, because unfortunately, only about half of the population reads books.
That's right.
We need to have this discussion.
We need to understand what is being done in this country.
It comes across when we see articles like we saw yesterday with DARPA talking about jacking into the spinal cord so that they can bypass the optical system and directly implant images into the brain.
We need to start thinking about these technologies that are so far over the top, that are advancing so rapidly, that are accelerating so rapidly.
We need to step back and examine the social consequences of this.
And so I want to do that with Dr. DeGaris, as well as have him lay out the case for the plausibility and the inevitability of it.
And we're going to try to take your calls.
He's graciously agreed to stay a little bit longer.
into the top of the third hour if you've got some questions for Dr. DeGaris.
You think that it is not only highly probable, but that it is inevitable that we're going to have these massively intelligent artificial intelligence machines, the Artilex I want you to kind of lay out for us the two different approaches to AI and kind of get an idea of where we are in terms of current research on this.
You disagree with Ray Kurzweil on the eventual outcome.
He's someone who thinks that we're going to merge with machines in a kind of cyborg way.
He also sees a utopian future.
You're very concerned about this in terms of its conclusion, but I think you both kind of are taking the same approach to artificial intelligence, aren't you, in terms of modeling the human brain?
Well, my best friend is Ben Goethal and he and Ray, Ray Kurzweil, I consider them the two guys, probably, well one of those two will be the first, I think, to achieve genuine human level artificial intelligence.
And Ben's way, I call his approach just simply the engineering approach.
In other words, do whatever you like.
Just take some idea and engineer it and see if you can get artificial intelligence out of it.
And that's pretty much the approach that artificial intelligence researchers have been taking for, God, 60 odd years.
And they've not been successful.
We still don't live in an era of artificially intelligent machines.
And the other broad approach is simply copy the brain.
Now, we know that approach eventually will pan out because we only have to look at ourselves as the living proof that it's possible to put molecules together in a certain way and produce an intelligent, conscious creature ourselves, human beings.
We're the living proof that it can be done.
Nature has found a way.
But the bottleneck with that problem is we don't really know what intelligence is yet.
We don't have enough knowledge of the detailed structure of the human brain.
And that's a good question, Dr. DeGaris, because how do you define intelligence?
I mean, I remember decades ago people talking about IBM's chess playing programs and talking about that as being artificial intelligence.
That's not really autonomous thinking.
That's highly programmed.
It's running through a lot of different probabilities and possibilities and doing it in a way that is faster than humans, but it's essentially relying on the programming of humans.
It's not autonomous, independent thinking.
How would you define artificial intelligence?
I think you're talking about something completely different with artilects, aren't you?
Now, your approach is to essentially create an artificial brain, replicating what we see in human brains as much as you can in electronics and artificial components.
And so you're looking at trying to get electronics to be very dense, very quick, looking at heat issues that are involved in that, And you believe that if you get this model close enough, if you build it, essentially consciousness will come.
So he got a billion dollar research grant from the European Union.
To do this, to build an artificial brain.
And what you're just saying, just a little before, the half a billion dollar project, similarly in America, and the Japanese are also putting a lot of money in this.
The time is ripe.
The electronics, you're probably familiar with Moore's Law in electronics.
So, you know, well, just quickly for those who don't, Moore's Law simply says that the number of transistors you can cram onto a computer chip keeps doubling roughly every year or so, and this trend's been around since, oh God, mid-60s, so it's about half a century old, this trend, and it's still valid, you know, it hasn't fizzled out, it's still true.
So if you take any number and you multiply it by 2 by 2 by 2 by 2, you end up with a huge number.
So the number of transistors on today's chips is up in the, I think it's now into the tens of billions, right?
So you can put a lot of chips together in a computer box and you can make a very powerful system.
So the electronics is now enabling, readily, within reasonable costs, the production of artificial brains.
So it's not surprising you're seeing these artificial brain projects popping up all over the world, like mushrooms.
So I see it's only a question of time before I call it the IQ gap.
Yeah, you have several different arguments as to why you think this is going to lead to the rise of the artilikes in your book, and of course one of those is the military momentum argument, as you point out, an intelligence gap, just as we had a space gap with Sputnik.
You know, we got concerned about that.
There's always this competition between different governments that they don't want to get left behind militarily, and they tend to view everything from a military standpoint.
Actually, as Eisenhower pointed out, It's the military-industrial complex.
Part of it would be that it would take over pretty much all research at the universities.
And that's, I think, we're seeing a large part of that happening now as well.
I want to, when we get, we got to go to break, when we come back, I want you to lay out how you see this coming to a conflict.
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So neuroscience on the one hand, and nano Electronics on the other hand and that that that is heating up already So in the 2020s, I think you'll start seeing what I call the IQ gap mentioning bit before Yes, the IQ gap between human level intelligence and machine and particularly home robot level intelligent that gap is In the 20s, 2020s, we'll seriously start to close.
And then you can imagine billions of people asking the same questions.
Are we going to allow machines to become as intelligent as we are?
Could they become more intelligent?
Isn't that threatening?
Is this something we can stop?
What about the rivalry between China and America for the dominant power of the planet?
That kind of thing.
I see a real debate heating up.
Well, it's starting a bit now.
I don't know if you're interested, but we could go through the various phases.
Yeah, and I want to just mention, I threw that term out there, grey goo.
For people who haven't looked at it, there's the idea that, again, nanotech could turn into a runaway process as well.
Just start replicating and essentially get out of control like the old science fiction movie, The Blob, with Steve McQueen in it.
So, all these technologies, there's a concern that it's going to reach some point, because technology is accelerating so fast, that there's a concern that it's going to reach a point at which it runs away from us.
And of course, you believe that with artificial intelligence, once it gets to a human level of independent thought, that it's going to essentially run away, because it's going to start redesigning and improving itself.
Once you have a machine, remember, a machine is thinking a million times faster than we do, right?
Our human brain cells, we're thinking, well, our cells are communicating between each other at about 100 meters a second, that's the maximum speed, whereas an electronic brain, it would be thinking at the speed of light, right?
The signals between the components in electronics is the speed of light, which is a million times faster.
So these machines, when they start reaching human level of intelligence, plus their million-fold faster thinking speeds, very quickly they could redesign themselves, right?
And then the product could redesign itself, so on and so on.
And then you get a kind of acceleration, and so very quickly you get into hyper-intelligence.
And physics, the physics of computation, predicts that these machines could become literally trillions of trillions of times more intelligent than we are.
I guess in the short term, one of the things that I'm more concerned about, of course, is the military, the kind of DARPA uses of machines.
You're saying that as robots go into our homes and so we start using them domestically, people, the mass public is going to look at this and say, wait a minute, these things are getting smarter every year.
They may wind up taking us over.
I'm concerned about the robots that we're seeing as we've had Dr. Noel Sharkey on.
He's concerned about killer robots, about Autonomous killing machines that we use as part of a military competition.
Worried about that getting out of hand.
You see a different way of this turning into an artificial intelligence war.
You see different factions breaking up over whether or not we should continue to move forward with technology versus those who say we need to put the brakes on it, stop it, or maybe even completely disassemble it.
Could you break that down for us real quickly here?
Well, those two scenarios you've been mentioning, I see they'll proceed in parallel.
The great rivalry between the rising China and the declining US.
So, imagine you're Minister of Defence and you have control of the research budget.
On one side, whether you're Chinese or American, you do not have the luxury to allow the other guy on the other side to get ahead of you in terms of, say, the level of intelligence of your soldier robots or whatever.
So that rival will go ahead.
But on the second scenario with the domestic side, the commercial, He's getting music.
Right after the break, we're going to have Dr. DeGaris break down his central thesis that he put out in a book 10 years ago, Cosmos vs. Terrans, and see how this might break out other than a competition between military powers.
Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show, I'm David Knight, and we have on the line with us Dr. Hugo DeGaris from China.
He's retired there now, but he's been one of the pioneers in artificial intelligence.
Ten years ago, he laid out a very formal case for an artificial intelligence war, a war over the development of artificial intelligence.
He saw this breaking down into two camps.
He termed those two camps Cosmos and Terrans, and so I want to get his definition of those two camps.
Now we want to talk about how close he thinks that is to happening, and I want to talk to him about what I would call, Dr. Garris, your conflict over seeing this Breaking out into possibly the extinction of the human species, yet nevertheless being drawn to continue the development of it anyway.
I guess I would call it the Daguerre's Paradox, maybe.
I want to talk to you about that because I think that's something that at every level scientists and engineers, especially those working with the military-industrial complex, need to be thinking through these issues, the ethical considerations about what they're doing, the consequences of what they're doing.
So I want to get to that, but before we do, Break down for us your idea of these two competing camps, the Cosmos and the Terrans.
If you ask me what was the dominant global political question of the 19th century, I'd say probably it was Marx's question.
Who should own capital?
And that question just divided society bitterly into the communists and the capitalists.
And we almost had a nuclear war in 1962 over that relatively trivial issue.
But the equivalent dominant global political question for the 21st century, I see again in four words, and that would be, should humanity build artelects?
Now an artelect is an artificial intellect.
In other words, a godlike, massively intelligent machine with mental capacity, say, you know, trillions of trillions of times above the human level.
So the people I label in favour of building those god-like machines, it'd be a kind of religion for them almost.
I mean a scientifically based religion, but a religion in a certain sense.
Because they would be building gods, and that's a motivator.
And on the other hand, the people who are opposed to building these artilects, I call them Terrans.
That's not terror as in terrorist, but terra, the earth, because that's their perspective.
Their number one priority is that human beings should remain the dominant species and the most intelligent.
Whereas the cosmos, that's based on the word cosmos, the universe, that's their picture, because they see that if human beings If humanity does decide to build these god-like machines, these artilects, Then, probably very quickly, they would decide, you know, what are we doing on this little hick planet called the Earth, when there's a whole universe, you know, there's a whole cosmos out there to explore?
And that cosmos may contain beings far, far superior to what they are, these artilects, because they've been around for billions of years longer than we have.
Our sun, our star, is only, what, a third of the age of the universe?
Hang on just one second, Dr. DeGaris, because we're showing some of the slides that you had sent us about your presentation, and I'm looking at the one here where it has the stars and it says Cosmos, and it has cyborgs, which is Ray Kurzweil's understanding of this, and we see part man, part machine, and then the one in the middle, it says Terran, and it shows Terminator robot.
I would look at that as thinking that was kind of more on the Cosmos standpoint, but why would you choose the Terran for the Terran picture?
Because the number one worry, concern of the Terrans is that if the Cosmos go ahead and actually build these Artileks and then the Artileks become massively intelligent and so superior to human beings that they look on us as an inferior pest Who's to say?
But the Terrans, I would argue, would be so fearful that if this escaping rocket did succeed in building Artelex, who's to say that the Artelex might decide, oh, we want to get back to the Earth, it's so full of raw materials.
Okay, well a couple years back I got hired by Warner Brothers.
To be the tech advisor to a movie that was to be called Twilight Zone.
It was to be a remake of the popular 50s science fiction series, Twilight Zone.
And so I was trying to advise them strongly, saying, look, make the background story as realistic as possible, set maybe, I don't know, 10, 20 years in the future, where AI is really becoming not a piece of science fiction anymore, but it's getting Real.
Real A.I.
And to the point where people are getting alarmed, people are taking sides, vigilante groups are being set up.
Now in the movie Transcendence, that group was called Rift.
So in the movie, what was called Rift is the equivalent of what I call Terrance, so it's the same thing.
So I didn't hear anything for a while, so I assumed the movie just died.
That often happens in Hollywood.
And then suddenly up come flyers and Trailers for this movie, Transcendence, and I look at it and say, hey, hey, that's my story!
It happened because Transcendence is Warner Brothers, right?
It's a Warner Brothers merch.
So what I'm deeply suspicious happened was the ideas were transferred from my movie to the other movie and then that way they didn't have to pay me the five figure bonus for getting the movie filmed.
That wouldn't be the first time something like that happened.
Now, you're looking at essentially a conflict.
People being concerned because they see rapidly advancing artificial intelligence.
Perhaps they see control of their life slipping away.
Increasingly power being concentrated.
Maybe there's massive unemployment.
That people are concerned about because of the use of lower-level artificial intelligence.
So people start to push back against it, especially those who are concerned that it may become the kind of threat that we saw in the Terminator movie.
We're talking about movies, you know, where Skynet becomes self-aware.
And then they start acting like we saw Sarah Connors act in Terminator 2, where she starts going after, let's say, key scientists.
We actually had this already happen in real life, didn't we, with the Unabomber, with Ted Kaczynski going out.
If you look at his manifesto, that's exactly what he was concerned about.
He was targeting what he thought were key scientists, doing it in a very violent way, trying to blow them up with letter bombs and that sort of thing.
But that's essentially what you see happening.
Even if we don't get to the level where we have super-intelligent artificial intelligences that become self-aware, the artilex, as you refer to them, Even if that doesn't happen prior to that, it would be the idea of it or the implementation of the early stages of it would set different camps in humanity against each other into a violent war.
It depends on whether the level of development of artificial intelligence is quick or slow.
The guys, the specialists in this area, they talk about slow take-off and fast take-off.
I don't know if you're familiar with those terms.
So if there's a fast take-off, meaning that these machines rapidly become ultra-intelligent, Then there may not be enough time for human politics to unfold.
So they're just there.
It's just incomplete.
And so then humanity's fate would lie in the hands of these outlets.
But I think it's more realistic to say probably there's going to be a slow take-off.
Because trying to figure out how the human brain works is a very, very difficult problem.
So probably the most realistic scenario is I see that human Humanity will have enough time to react politically as these machines get smarter and smarter.
And the time frame, you mentioned a bit about the time frame, I see the home robot industry becoming one of the biggest and richest in the world, say by the end of the 20s, so say a decade, decade and a half from now.
And so as they become, these machines become more and more intelligent and more and more useful, Then people will buy them because if these machines truly can walk the dog and babysit the kids and tell you stories and entertain you and sex you and educate you and all these things, people will pay big money, maybe even more than for a car, just to have a home robot.
And then, of course, a year or two later, you know, they upgrade their model, you know, they go and trade in their old one for a new one, and the new one has a much richer vocabulary and a sense of humor and it's cynical and it can do far more things.
Then, once you've had several upgrades like this, then millions, you know, billions of people will be asking the same questions.
Will these machines become smarter than we are?
And then that will set what I call the species dominance debate.
Perhaps, Dr. DeGaris, what might happen as we become increasingly dependent on them might be an extrapolation of the same thing we see as people become increasingly self-absorbed into social media and games.
We might see the human race not being necessarily overtaken by the machines that make it.
Human race will descend into some kind of an idiocracy that is below the level of the machines that we currently have now.
So we've talked about the economic momentum that might lead to this.
We've talked about the military momentum, the competition between nation states that might drive this kind of rise of artificial intelligence.
I want to talk about your argument that you make in the book, that what really kind of motivates you, even though you think this might result in the extinction of the human species, you're driven to do it because you see yourself almost, as you mentioned earlier, a scientific religion.
The enticement of building artificial gods.
That's something that motivates you very strongly, isn't it?
So I've been advising my friends and colleagues, like for example, those who are...
Those who are active, they're going to have to be increasingly careful.
It's too soon now, but when they get into the 2020s and the species dominance debate really starts heating up, shouldn't humanity build artilleries?
That question is on everyone's mind.
Then all these nutcases will come out of the woodwork, and so these developers will have to be very careful where they go, appearing in public and so forth.
And I can imagine companies like IBM and Google and so on, they will definitely have to beef up their security.
Yes, it's something that everybody is talking about now in the mainstream media, at least the idea that there is a potential of some kind of a threat down the road.
This was not something that anybody other than sites like Infowars was talking about a few years ago.
We've been talking about how this might go down badly and of course we were just dismissed as wide-eyed conspiracy theorists.
I'm sure you've had a lot of people tell you they think that this is pure fantasy as well.
Talk to us a little bit about this conflict that you have, about wanting to build this massively intelligent artificial intelligence, even though you think that it may have a dystopian outcome.
The fact that you're concerned about this, you have arguments on both sides, for the Cosmists, as you call them, and as for the Terrans, who are opposed to this kind of, or concerned about how this is going to get out of hand.
Yet, you yourself describe yourself pretty much in the cosmos camp.
You're really drawn to the idea, not that you're doing the research anymore, but you're drawn to the idea that we need to create these god-like artificial intelligences that may kill us.
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Dr. DeGaris, we've been talking about the coming conflict over artificial intelligence, whether or not we should proceed with that.
One of the things that concerns me is that artificial intelligence as a weapon by Small elite group that we've seen the as we talked about the military aspect the military composite competition between different countries We see really I think the thing that concerns me as an engineer.
I can Consistently see technology being used now in a very dark way And I think it's because as Eisenhower warned us with a military industrial complex.
We see really that DARPA and military Industrial complex is pretty much taken over research at the university.
I'm concerned that Whenever we see in the past throughout history whenever technology is widely disseminated Then we have liberty we have a freedom of the people, but when it is concentrated in the hands of a few Then we see that Society trends towards a tyranny and despotism, so that's one of the things that concerns me about artificial intelligence
Well, personally, I have a real hatred of the International Central Banksters and all their cronies and all the horrible things they've done in the 20th century.
I'd like to see those guys put behind bars.
I share a lot of your goals that way.
One of the reasons why I see the Terrans becoming absolutely paranoid is that it may be technologically possible within a decade or so for just a small team of Cosmists in their basement to build artificial brains that then accelerate into hyper intelligence very quickly.
And so I can imagine the Terrans at government level Going on a kind of witch hunt.
They'll be sneaking into everybody's lives trying to, you know, is this guy a Cosmis?
Yeah, well, I've got a book chapter coming out pretty soon.
How will the Artelect War start?
You're trying to dream up various scenarios, and who knows, there may be even at government level, different governments, some Terran, some Cosmos, and eventually it goes nuclear, so there you get your gigadeth.
So it's very hard to predict the detailed scenario that will actually unfold, but the debate will heat up in the late teens.
It's starting now, right?
In the 20s it'll get hot.
In the 30s, I predict it'll go political.
We'll be into what I call the fourth phase, the political phase.
You'll start getting the terrorism and the sabotage and the assassinations and so forth.
And then after that, well, you know, it's very hard to predict.
But it's such an issue that will dominate and divide humanity so bitterly because the two ideologies are just so powerful.
On the one hand, you'd be building gods.
And on the other hand, you're risking the survival of the human species.
And the question is, just kind of like you mentioned, they were initially talking about your Twilight Zone movie, there was a Twilight Zone episode that was called To Serve Man.
These aliens who come in and give this beneficial technology to people, and then at the end of the episode, somebody sneaks into the ship and sees that To Serve Man is actually a cookbook.
And so that's what we always need to worry about with this.
We're going to come back.
We're going to take your phone calls.
If you've got any questions for Dr. Hugo DeGaris, he's consented to take those.
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We're going to talk about some questions and objections that people have.
I'm David Knight, your host, and we have with us from China, Dr. Hugo de Geras on the line.
We've been talking about his book, The Artelect War, which is a scenario for the first wars over artificial intelligence.
Whether or not we should proceed down that path.
Two different factions.
Of course, as we were talking about in the last segment, I'm also, I'm personally concerned, as we talk about quite often here at InfoWars, the misuse of technology.
Technology being taken over by DARPA, by the military-industrial complex, and used for war.
And of course, as Dr. DeGaris pointed out, he is against that as well.
It is a force that is very difficult to keep that genie in the bottle.
One of the arguments that he has in his book for why this will proceed besides economic momentum, of course, is the military momentum.
The fear that some other country will have that capability and you won't.
So that drives that kind of development.
But in this segment I want to take calls from you, the listeners, 800-259-9231.
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Paul Joseph Watson will be joining us from the UK at the bottom of the hour.
And I wanted to throw out to you, Dr. DeGaris, some of the objections that you address in the back of your book, for example.
Yes, and that's a large part of the research that we see being done by DARPA, augmenting humans with mechanical and means to create, essentially, a super soldier.
Right, now the main argument against it is that if you take, you know, with nanotech, if you take, I don't know if you can see it, but imagine between my thumb and finger I have a single grain of sand, imagine, but it's been nanoteched so that it can manipulate one bit of information on one atom, okay, so one bit per atom.
And this atom can switch back and forth.
Excited, not excited.
Excited, not excited.
It can switch back and forth in a femtosecond.
So that's a thousandth of a trillionth of a second.
But you can calculate pretty readily how many atoms in a single grain of sand, let's say a cubic millimeter.
When you do the math, it works out that that single grain of sand can outperform, in computer terms, The computing capacity estimated of the human brain by a factor of a quintillion, that's a million trillion times more than the brain.
So my argument against the cosmos is that effectively, if they start adding these grains of sand to their own brain, very quickly, they're no longer human, right?
They're artilects.
Maybe in human disguise, but effectively they're artilects.
So from the point of view of the Terrans, they will just simply lump the cyborgists, the people who want to be cyborgs, and the Cosmists into the same camp.
They're effectively the same group.
Because once the technology becomes advanced enough, there's not much difference between a pure machine, a pure artilect, and a cyborg.
Effectively they're the same.
So really, I get back to the two major camps, the Cosmists on the one hand and the Terrans on the other.
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He has been a pioneer researcher in the field of artificial intelligence.
Also, especially in the subfield of evolvable hardware.
We haven't really talked about that, but he does cover that quite a bit in his book, The Artelect War.
We were looking at how this might go down badly because that was the central thesis of his book The Art Like War.
How artificial intelligence would become essentially self-aware as we've seen in the Terminator movie.
That's probably the most famous example in pop culture.
There are a lot of people who are concerned that this may go down badly.
We've got Elon Musk setting up a 10 million dollar foundation to try to make sure that Artificial intelligence stays under control, but Dr. DeGaris doesn't believe that it can be controlled in the long term.
And I guess, Dr. DeGaris, we're going to take some phone calls.
People have questions.
One quick question.
Many people have asked you in the past, why not just design a kill switch?
Why not put something like Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics inside of these artificial intelligences to keep them under control?
Well there's a big debate going on right now amongst the specialists and they call the concept friendly AI and personally I think it's I'm very cynical that this can be done I mean what you're talking about is designing a machine so that it remains human friendly and No matter how advanced, when it re-designs itself in the future.
So Machine 1 re-designs Machine 2 and remains human-friendly, which designs Machine 3 and so on and remains human-friendly until it becomes like a trillion times more capable than human beings and it's still human-friendly.
I find that idea ridiculous.
I mean, it's just so arrogant and it's just a farce.
Now, at the beginning, perhaps the brain builders can create a friendly AI to begin with.
But once these machines start becoming really smart and they redesign themselves and so forth, the idea that they will always remain human-friendly, I just find ridiculous.
Once they get to the level of human intelligence, we're going to have the same problem we have with humans.
We've got a lot of humans who are not human-friendly, don't we?
Let's go to some of the callers and give them a chance to ask some questions.
Let's go to Artie in Canada.
Artie, go ahead.
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Thank you, David.
The author, Annie Jacobson, is completing a trilogy of books when she publishes her third book this fall, and it's all about her research into DARPA and Pentagon development of artificial intelligence.
And she said that it was this research that scared her the most.
I'm wondering if Dr. Degarek was contacted by Annie Jacobson.
He was in China, so probably you weren't really involved with the DARPA project, but every government is essentially going to be going down this military path, aren't they, Dr. Begaris?
There's a whole bunch of billionaires in China, in Beijing, and they're getting into this And Ben Goertzel probably may set up an AGI institute, that's quite likely, in the near future in Beijing.
So the rivalry is heating up between China and America on this kind of stuff.
Like I say, one side does not have the luxury to allow the other side to get too far ahead of it.
Artie, was there anything else that you wanted to add to that?
As you point out, somebody wrote a book, they said the thing that scared them most in terms of researching DARPA was the artificial intelligence aspect.
Was there anything else you wanted to add to that?
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Well, as a Christian, I don't believe that artificial intelligence can take on selfhood, unless we're actually possessed by a spiritual entity, because only selfhood and will are intrinsic only to a spiritual entirety.
I would phrase it a little bit differently as a Christian.
I look at it and I say, well, You know, we make the arguments about increased computational power and Moore's Law, but essentially, you know, computational power doesn't necessarily get you to consciousness.
I know that you take a different view of that, Dr. DeGaris, that you believe that it will eventually happen, because you're looking at it from a strictly physical standpoint.
We're looking at it from a, I guess you could say, a more medical, metaphysical standpoint.
Well in terms of ID, Intelligent Design, I'm very open to that because the math and physics, see I now teach PhD level math and physics and so I know a lot of that stuff and personally, now just my personal view, that I wouldn't be at all surprised that the laws of physics have been actually designed and I'm deeply suspicious that that's the case because why on earth is the universe, why are the laws of physics so deeply mathematical?
The idea that once it gets to a certain level of intelligence and capable of independent thought, that you would have something similar to what we saw portrayed in the movie Terminator, when Skynet becomes self-aware.
Or you might think of the intelligence as reaching a critical mass, if you want to use a nuclear analogy.
Once it reaches a critical mass, all of a sudden it just explodes and starts to go.
And as you point out, the real question is whether or not it's going to happen quickly or over a slower period of time.
Let's go to Dennis in Colorado.
Dennis.
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We're talking to Dr. Hugo DeGaris about the possibility of an artificial intelligence war.
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Let's go to JD in Mississippi.
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Yes, I was wondering, I might be a little bit naive on the subject, but how will How will they get by the failsafe switch or the kill switch?
And also, how will drones refuel themselves?
Or will they just have so many of them that it won't matter?
You know, will they just, you know, there'll be so many of them that...
Well, Dr. DeGaris is really kind of talking about a different kind of thing.
He's talking about massively intelligent artificial intelligence, but of course, autonomous drones, that is maybe one way that we may see some manifestation of some early artificial intelligence, isn't it, Dr. DeGaris?
So once the resolution of the cameras and control, once all those technical problems have been solved, and for all I know that's already the case, Then I can imagine this spying just going on everywhere, all over the planet, including the things that the governments want to keep secret.
So it's a two-edged sword.
So then the public becomes more aware of the so-called secret installations and all these bunkers underneath, under the ground and so on.
Governments have a really hard time keeping anything secret.
My question was about the possible malevolence versus benevolence of AI, you know, as seen in Isaac Asimov's The Last Question, if you're familiar with the story, versus like, what do you call it, I'm sorry, Prey by Michael Crichton, if you're familiar with that story too.
I think he's asking maybe the AIs will be benevolent.
I know that the movie that recently came out, Ray Kurzweil was very excited about that because basically they reached a point where they say, yeah, you guys are fine, but you're really not very interesting.
They just basically go off on their own and do their own thing.
Yes, and I'm concerned, as I know you are, Dr. DeGaris, as to what our governments are going to do with the technology that we hand them.
That's why I think it's a very interesting paradox for people who are in engineering and science to think about the consequences of what they're developing.
Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Hugo DeGaris.
So overall, we keep hearing about all of these, you know, horse meat substitutes being put into burgers and everything, but it turns out it's much, much, much worse than that.
An Interpol with Europol seized 2,500 tons of actually fake food.
Not just bad fast food, we're talking about vodka that was made in antifreeze containers that had antifreeze in it, and they would scrub it out with different chemicals to get rid of the scent, put vodka in it, and sell it as premium brands across the world.
And they had seafood, they had lobsters being sold that were completely fake, mineral water, dietary supplements.
As we found out from New York, the Attorney General found that about 80% of the supplements you get at Walmart and stuff like that and pharmaceutical drugstores are actually completely fake.
So, this is just one investigation that lasted two months.
They found 2,500 tons of completely fraudulent fake food.
And people are thinking that they're getting nutritious items or counting their calories and everything.
It turns out that in many cases, you're not even eating what you think you are, let alone trying to avoid the additives and everything, which just blows my mind and highlights everything we continue to talk about to know what you're actually getting every single time.
We talk about this vaccine thing, and a lot of people electress on, you know, well this is how vaccines work, you know, they create a response in the body and the body creates antibodies and everything.
We're not talking about that!
We're talking about the fast food french fries that are not simply potatoes, if they even have potatoes in them.
Because they've added all kinds of preservatives to them, they've added some of the ingredients to Silly Putty or whatever.
You've got the situation that we talked about, covered on the news, in Iceland, where McDonald's shut down in Iceland in 2009.
On the last day, a guy went in and bought a cheeseburger and fries.
He's had it under a glass container.
You can watch a live stream of that.
It hasn't changed in appearance now for six years.
So, you know, we're not talking about, you know, it's all about the full spectrum.
Even when we talk about vaccines, we're talking about what has been added to them or doing them in combination.
I mean, a lot of different aspects of it.
It's not just as simple as like, well, you know, this is food.
The food is used by your body to build bones and everything.
It's like, no, there's other stuff in the food as well, even if it is food.
Well, it's big business because they can just take tap water and dump it in a bottle of water, usually plastic full of BPA, and sell it for three dollars.
You know, it's a total empire.
Mozzarella.
Obviously from Italy that was a big issue.
Pharmaceutical drugs.
So you think you're taking Viagra, but you're actually taking a sugar pill.
Or there's numerous scheme systems that get shut down online every year where they give you actually arsenic or something terrible like that.
Eggs, dried fruit, and cooking oil.
And you might say, well, there's no way we can actually do anything about this.
But the director for the food regulation companies, he said, he went out and said in an article with Time Magazine, that the answer is to actually eat organic and natural food products.
And you might be wondering, why is that?
It's because these counterfeiters from, you know, Thailand and everything, what they do is they go after the big corporate brand names because there's just so much out there.
You know, there's, let's say Coca-Cola or something, there's so much Coca-Cola out there that it's impossible to actually test and screen all the Coca-Cola brands and everything like that.
It comes down to the point where you've got to trust your source.
You know, we try to get these independent third parties, whether it's government or it's an independent watchdog agency, to vet the things that we're buying to see if they're safe, to see if it's authentic or whatever.
That's why I think so many times these large corporations will make the calculation that, hey, I can save a penny or two if I throw this synthetic dangerous substance in here to give me a little bit longer shelf life.
And they'll make that calculation because they're selling it in such large quantity, it makes a difference to them.
Whereas if you work with a local business, like a local restaurant or something, I'm thinking they're not as likely to adulterate their products in a dangerous way to save a couple of pennies because it simply isn't going to be worth it for them.
For the large corporations, it may be a calculation that somebody says, we'll go with that risk.
So it's just the fact they have... But it's really kind of in their business model, you know, because they do need to put these preservatives, these artificial chemicals in there so that they've got a very, very long shelf life.
I mean, there's even organic fast food places now.
You know, they don't have to do any of this.
If they want to make, you know, money off of people...
Getting sick and dying, they can do this.
But if they want to cut their profits by .002% and maybe have some alternatives, or fund some options, some research, there are organic preservatives.
But I mean, they have breast implant chemicals in their chicken nuggets, according to some of these reports.
The San Francisco Gate, it's a chemical that's used in silicone breast implants and silly putty.
And the San Francisco Gate reports, the fast food chain makes this popular menu item The chemical preservative TBHQ, a petroleum-based product.
And that was at that point in the Chicken McNuggets.
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Well, you know, there's a lot of awareness of that.
We've had Food Bay bond several times.
She's had, uh, a lot of response from people.
Once she focuses on some of these ingredients, the large corporations will back off of it when the light is shown on it.
That's why it surprises me this disconnect over vaccines, for example, that people can't, they understand the issue of additives in food and there's a large building movement of that where people want to get this stuff out.
It's like, don't put cancer-causing stuff in my soft drink because it changes the color to brown.
That's not important to me.
I would rather have it Without the color, without the cancer-causing chemicals, but they won't say that about vaccines.
The two biggest articles in my experience, writing probably 3,000 articles total, are food item ingredients like this, like five, you know, four worst fast food ingredients they don't tell you about, right?
Or vaccine additives and vaccine effects.
Those are the two biggest shares factors for articles.
I mean, I'm talking about 20,000 Facebook shares in two hours on some of these, or a million Facebook shares.
One of the articles about GMOs being burned got 980,000 shares or something insane like that.
People know.
People are aware of this.
I mean, they get millions and millions of views and people are obsessed with this type of stuff.
So you would say, as a corporation, why are they not responding to that?
It's because they can still get away with it.
If we force them to not get away with it and we actually take the action and go there and don't buy the crap, which it looks like we're doing as McDonald's is just plummeting down and economists are freaking out saying it's not a blue chip anymore, get away from it.
Well, that's actually taking a change.
When people say, hey, there's yoga mat chemicals in that fast food.
I mean, literally, if you use this chemical that they use in some of these McDonald's products in Singapore, it could be up to a $450,000 fine and 15 years in prison, according to these reports.
You know, I think it's very important what we've seen happen.
Again, we're talking about the food babe as we put these other things out.
There's people understand what this is.
They're exercising their market power.
That's why we see McDonald's sales going down.
They're exercising their informed choice, their informed consent.
That's the way you get this stuff out of the vaccines.
You don't just ignore it and tell people shut up and take it.
You know, it's almost like forcing us to go to McDonald's and, you know, eat there three times a day or whatever.
I mean, it's, you've got to approach this I think from, it's far more effective to approach it from an education and market standpoint than it is to come in and even put fines and jail terms on this stuff.
stuff because we see so many times these regulatory agencies get captured by the corporations.
That's a large part of what the problem is with big pharmaceuticals is that they've captured these government agencies, the FDA, and captured the CDC so that the real information is not going out.
Well, this is a point we've pushed over and over again, David, and I've got another article coming out soon, which is, Top Feminist Calls for Collectivist Revolution.
And we emphasize this over and over again, which is the point that feminists don't care about genuine women's rights issues.
Third wave feminism is all about authoritarianism and social engineering.
So now this top feminist, with an organization called One Billion Rising, backed by the United Nations, and that's important to emphasize, These feminists aren't just whining on Twitter or Tumblr.
They're backed by millions and millions of dollars in foundation and corporate funding.
So, she's the head of an organization that seeks to end rape and sexual violence against women.
She doesn't talk about the fact that rape and sexual violence against women is endemic within the Islamic community, which we'll get on to.
But she basically got up in front of a crowd in New York a couple of weeks ago And gave a speech in which she talked about how feminism was about creating a collectivist revolution and that she was proud to say, quote, American individualism is dead and global solidarity is alive and on the rise.
So it was basically kind of a creepy communist cult initiation meeting for feminists who again are being backed by millions and millions of dollars in corporate funding.
And again, it goes back to feminism being completely opposed to classical liberalism, which was the moral worth of the individual.
She's coming out and brazenly stating that feminism is determined to destroy individualism, destroy free market capitalism, And replace it with a collectivist revolution.
So again, feminism is not about genuine women's rights issues.
It's about social engineering and advancing this authoritarian agenda.
Yeah, and there seems to be a very selective outrage over certain things.
As you point out, the feminists are not looking at what is happening to women in fundamental Islamic countries.
Just as we see that there's no concern about the regular Saudi beheadings, as we pointed out the other day, at the rate that they've been beheading people, they're going to get to the number of Christians that were beheaded this last week, if that was in fact an authentic video.
20 some odd Christians beheaded, that would happen in less than 90 days in Saudi Arabia, yet we're supposed to go to war, put boots on the ground, wipe out ISIS, But we're allied with people who do that on a regular basis.
And that's what we're seeing here with this kind of hypocrisy with the feminists.
Yeah, they throw these statistics out there and just like we see happening with the vaccine thing, the CDC continues to tell everybody, hey these vaccines are...
99% effective and yet we saw in the Disneyland outbreak that 14% of the people had been vaccinated the year before they had an outbreak in California.
18% of the people had been vaccinated back in 1987 according to the and if you think well maybe that's just a small population if you go back to 1987 look at the CDC's own numbers 52% of the people who came down with measles had been vaccinated, yet they still put this story out there that it's 99% effective.
They continue to persist in these kind of statistics to support their view.
That's why you always need to go back and check to see where did these numbers come from.
Yeah, because I mean they can contrive a whole narrative based on completely fraudulent numbers and only later they come out and prove the opposite case.
But again, there's a huge article up on Infowars, Feminist Mute on Muslim Rape Epidemic Sweeping Europe.
This is a heavily documented article.
It's full of videos and hyperlinks to government documents, police reports about how this epidemic of Muslim abuse is sweeping the continent.
We have Paul Joseph Watson from the UK joining us and he's going to be with us right after the break.
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Feminists mute on Muslim rape epidemic sweeping Europe, and of course the bottom of this is multiculturalism.
It simply isn't politically correct to talk about what's going on in European countries.
As you point out in your article here, Paul, you say that in Denmark, for example, crime rates broken down by nationality show individuals from Muslim countries make up Eight of the top nine places on the list.
In 2012, sexual assaults were almost ten times more common amongst those who were immigrants than with those of Danish citizenship.
Yet we can't talk about that because it's not politically correct.
We've been beaten down into submission with multiculturalism.
Well that's right and I mean this is the heart of feminism is rampant hypocrisy because they don't talk about this like the woman I was just talking about before the break you know has an organization devoted to ending sexual violence and rape against women yet refuses to address this problem.
You know we had a case in Rotherham in England where from 1997 onwards for nearly 15 years over a thousand young girls were sexually abused, beaten and trafficked by primarily Pakistani Muslim men and the Labour government in Rotherham Covered up and ignored that scandal, ignored the reports that were pouring in because they feared being characterized as politically incorrect and racist.
So this is where political correctness again poses a direct threat to the just functioning of a free society.
As you mentioned, you can go through the other countries.
And again, to underscore the point, you know, most sober-minded Muslims would agree that this is a problem, this is a crisis that needs to be addressed, just as most Catholics would agree that the Vatican paedophile scandal Needed to be addressed.
You know, this isn't about demonizing Muslims.
It's about calling out this authoritarian political correctness that prevents these reports from being taken seriously by governments in these European countries, by the media, because they're more concerned with protecting multicultural sensitivities, whereby to the point You know, you've got Lars Hedegaard in Denmark who put out the report with the stats that you just mentioned.
He was actually brought up under hate speech laws for simply talking about the issue.
So they're treating people who bring attention to it in some cases worse than the actual rapists.
And we need to understand, too, that multiculturalism is really the tool to bring about global governance.
They want to destroy cultures and sovereign nations, and the way they do it is with open immigration, as they're doing here in the United States.
They have a different way of doing it slightly in Europe.
Nevertheless, it is all about breaking down the cultures, the continuity of government, if you will.
I didn't like to use that phrase because that's something used by government to justify a lot of very bad things.
But the continuity of culture of a people, to break that down, to mix the groups together, and to set them apart against each other, that's all part of this multiculturalism.
Instead of just bringing this in and saying we want to uplift these cultures, they're actually using it to destroy indigenous cultures, aren't they?
Yeah, and they're using it as a tool of political repression.
They're playing one culture off against each other.
Even world leaders like Cameron and Merkel have admitted that multiculturalism has failed.
It's a failed experiment.
So, for example, since 1975 in Sweden, when they opened their doors to multiculturalism, The rapes skyrocketed since that time by 1,472%.
So now 77% of rapes committed in Sweden are carried out by foreign immigrants, mainly Muslims, because under Islam they see women as second-class citizens.
But the people in Sweden who are drawing attention to this are being characterized as racist thought criminals merely for trying to highlight the fact that this is the major problem.
That's why we see the rise of UKIP and a lot of these other parties that want independence from the European Union.
They understand how this is being sold to them, how they're taking down their countries, and yet the standard response is that they're xenophobic, that they're racist.
We're out of time for today.
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