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alex jones
And we're also getting Jim Tucker lined up on the line as well right now.
Now it officially kicked off today, but they shut the hotel down yesterday.
We had London Guardian reporter on, Charlie Skelton, who was actually arrested last year in Greece.
So to give us what's happening on the ground and any intel that Mark and Jim Tucker have gotten on what's on the agenda, here's Mark Anderson of AmericanFreePress.net.
Mark, thanks for coming on with us.
mark anderson
My pleasure.
We've been inundated with local media and state media requests.
It's been a very interesting day.
alex jones
Yeah, I mean, we've gone from 33 years ago or so, when the media would say that Jim was a kook and Bilderberg didn't exist, you know, the real trailblazer on this, to now, the Drudge Report, the Times of London, secret of Bilderberg Club, ready for protest, and they admit they're pushing for world government there in Sigis, Spain.
mark anderson
Yeah, that's part and parcel of what's going on here.
Lots of national and regional media interest, conventional corporate media as well.
The secrecy is being stripped away, but their drive and their ambitions are a hard thing to satisfy.
alex jones
Well, I saw you interviewed by Russia Today on the ground with some of the protesters there.
I saw the police shoving protesters.
I even saw some of the protesters shoving the police back, and the police didn't attack them, so it looked like the police aren't wanting a confrontation.
Normally, police would go haywire if somebody, you know, shoved them back, but, you know, because they're used to people submitting to their godlike authority to assault them, but not to be assaulted back.
Break down the type of security you're seeing and expanding on that, any intel you're getting from inside the hotel.
mark anderson
The security, after I was at Hotel Dulce on June 1st, began to show up as the local police on June 2nd, and it intensified with these paddy wagons.
They have mobile detention vans that the police can ride in themselves, but if they had to detain someone, they can do it on the spot.
Oh, and I've been told by reliable sources that the plainclothes to private security are beginning to filter in.
But what I've seen and what you saw on the Russia program was local police clearing one of those roundabouts, those round turnaround areas common in Europe, and they had to clear the grass area in the middle of that.
So, protesters and activists and journalists could not clearly see or as clearly see or photograph any dark tinted window cars going in.
It was just to kind of limit visibility and marginalize everyone.
The pushing and shoving was a lot of local activists that just said, keep your hands off me, keep your hands off me.
But so far, the police have showed a lot of restraint.
In terms of what's going on information-wise, I know the broad brush strokes that they have been looking at making the IMF into a real treasury and things like that, but the minutiae, the detail, we're still working on, and Jim can probably address that a little more.
alex jones
Yeah, and I know Jim is trying to make his way up to his hotel room being mobbed by media.
This is the complete opposite of even what was happening ten years ago with almost no mainstream media coverage.
We know this has got to be upsetting these world government schemers that they can't have their little mafia commission meetings in secret anymore.
mark anderson
Oh, I think it is, and the more this is done, the more they're going to get the pie in the face, so to speak, for people knowing they're meeting, and yet no forthcoming press releases, no, you know, openness or transparency, no lists or anything of names, their dishonor roll, I call it, and it's You know, at some point, something's got to give.
With the Greek economy having taken a dive since last year's Bilderberg meeting in Greece, I think the Spanish see the writing on the wall.
And there's a lot of Spanish people, bartenders, shopkeepers, have told me that they see their economy going the same way.
And, you know, as night follows day, the Bilderberg machinations, the fingerprints are all over this thing.
alex jones
Now I know you and Jim have been running around throughout the city trying to reach contacts.
Jim got there a day late because of his plane being delayed.
Normally he goes into the hotel before it gets shut down.
I've been there with him before when this has been done in Canada and of course in Virginia.
But tell us about some of the sleuth work you've been doing.
mark anderson
Well, without going into too much detail, to tip my hand too much, just generally trying to learn the ropes.
I'm a newcomer to Bilderberg, not in writing and reading about it, but in actually attending one.
I guess you could call me Jim's apprentice in a way.
This is a very complicated affair when you're dealing with so many important people lodged into one spot, and you're trying to get information that you can consider reliable, not just information or rumors.
A big thing has been to wake the town and tell the people.
Kind of the Z of Zorro on the wall.
A lot of flyers have been circulating, written in Spanish, telling the average Spanish person what's going on in their town.
And I produced some of those and they went pretty viral at a lot of the protests at a train station and at different spots around Sitges, which is sort of an outreach of Barcelona, Spain, here along the Mediterranean.
The sleuth work has included this year I was the one to go into the hotel early before they closed it down and what was curious was there were already virtually no people there.
I tried their wine and looked out over the beautiful view but there was really hardly anyone there already and they had that place vacuumed as clean as clean can get.
And without going into too much detail, there just wasn't any sign yet of information or people for the actual Bilderberg meeting, but there was a very distinct lack of customers.
And of course I inquired, can I get a hotel room here in a couple of nights?
And they said, no, there's a big convention.
You cannot be here, you know.
I was just playing with them a little bit.
There's a lot of ironies and intrigue going on, but the media coverage from all levels, both independent and regular media, is really quite intense.
A lot of TV crews have been there all day, yesterday and all day, or part of the day, the day before.
alex jones
Well, that's exciting.
What's the flavor of the reporting that's going on that you're seeing on television and the press?
Or are you unable to read it because you don't speak Spanish?
I mean, I know I don't.
mark anderson
Well, you know, it's not so much the language barrier, though that plays a role.
It's that I'm so busy doing this, what I do, that I don't have time to see the results of what they do, let alone write up what I've gathered.
I managed to file a story, I think, last night.
I haven't even had a chance to see if it got posted yet online.
And at any time...
alex jones
No, it did.
It's mainly about the security.
mark anderson
Oh, yeah, perhaps so.
The...
And it's...
So it's tricky.
It's hard to even...
Sometimes the reporters that you talk to don't provide all the information on what stations they broadcast on, how to dial it in.
alex jones
But the point is there's a lot of media there, so that's exciting.
mark anderson
It's been almost constant, and it's a great mixture of the independent bloggers right on up to your national and regional TV stations.
I heard one lady reporter with a national Spanish station arguing with her editor or her boss Uh, saying we do too much trivia, too much bubble gum, we need to do more with this, which is, you know, a good thing to hear.
alex jones
Well, I was talking to Charlie Skelton yesterday from The Guardian, and he said he was talking to BBC TV.
They were getting ready to run with it, and then later the editor said, look, this has been killed, or the producer he was talking to said, this story's now been killed.
So we do see Bilderberg there, you know, trying to suppress the news, trying to keep real news from hitting the media, but they're having less and less control.
Let me ask you this, Mr. Anderson from American Free Press, Deputy Editor.
Did you see Zbigniew Brzezinski's speech of two weeks ago that we wrote about and was later picked up and used in a speech before the EU Parliament a few days ago?
Quotes from our article dealing with the fact that Brzezinski basically said, for the first time in history the whole world is awake to our world government and things are getting tougher for us.
mark anderson
I saw a clip of that that somebody sent me, like an excerpt, and the only thing I would caution, and I think that's true, what he said, is what Taylor Caldwell, the late author, said.
She warned that we shouldn't too easily believe that these power elite have large squabbles among themselves.
They might have minor points of disagreement, but they do tend to think Pretty much birds of a feather flock together, you know.
And so, some of that could be for public consumption, you know, like the fun zoo, the art of war.
When you are strong, appear weak.
When you are weak, appear strong.
We have to be very careful, and I've cautioned Jim, and Jim agrees, that what Brzezinski said is probably true, but we don't want them to play possum on us.
We don't want them to put out urban legends that we'll believe too easily.
alex jones
Yeah, I agree with you, but I'm not a spring chicken in all of this research myself.
Of course not.
And what he said is true, just from my own research.
The awakening is real.
I see it on the streets.
And sure, we don't want to take from this, oh, we've beat them.
No, we are now just finally finding our feet and have gotten a few good blows in, so we're in the fight.
But I mean, I think the victory at Trenton by George Washington against the Hessians, you know, in the middle of the Revolutionary War, I don't think that was them going, God, we've won the war.
I think it was, my God, we're starting to win a few battles here.
And the fact that world government is being set up is now mainstream news, and they've tried to keep it secret.
So I think what Brzezinski is, you know, he's in the corner telling his boxers, hey, you better get in there and take this guy serious.
We can take him, but you better wake up.
Here's some smelling salts.
mark anderson
Yeah, that's a pretty good analogy, Alex.
And, yeah, I think the part that's true is the public awakening.
And that has got to trouble, you know, the octogenarian tyrants like David Rockefeller and his apprentices or associates like Zbigniew Brzezinski, trilateral boys.
Um, and it's got to be troubling to them because I think the patriarch Rockefeller wants to see certain things happen before he goes to the great Bilderberg meeting in the sky, you know?
And, excuse me, I'm a little giggly.
I haven't slept hardly.
And, uh, so, you know, at some point they're going to get impatient and, um...
Hopefully there won't be any strange events or big wars or, you know, they always resort to war in the final analysis.
alex jones
Well, I agree with you, and that's the key intel.
We can't wait till Jim's able to talk to some sources.
But you can also see the Bilderberg mouthpieces more and more out in the open, trying to deal with the 24-hour news cycle.
They're a lot more public, you know, Bilderberg group members, in basically pushing the agenda.
And undoubtedly, within days of the meeting ending, we'll see their spin on what their real agenda is.
But certainly they're gearing up to go into Iran, that's back on the front burner.
Certainly they're using this whole Mediterranean thing with Israel as a new way to kick stuff off.
The whole North Korean peninsula, the George Washington mega aircraft carrier going off the coast of North Korea.
I mean, war is their only card right now, or giant false flag terror attack.
mark anderson
That's the downside to the Wonderful Awakening, is that they always, in the end, resort to what you just said.
The only card that they can play without much interference, and that's the War card, and that's, you know, I don't even have to go into why that's bad or how unfortunate that is.
But yeah, you have a rotating prime minister in Japan.
They can't seem to decide on one.
They have, of course, the BP spewing of the oil in the Gulf.
They've got things that, whether they cause these things to happen, they've got things they can exploit.
And so they've got a lot of variables, maybe, but in the end, you're right.
War with Iran, as Jim Tucker has reported, has been a major Bilderberg goal.
Perhaps on behalf of Israel, maybe there's an element there.
And then the IMF as a world treasury, perhaps the World Health Organization as a world health department, maybe using some swine flu-like excuse or something.
But at the same time, you know, maybe war gets a little messy for them on occasion.
Maybe they can only fight on so many fronts because they'll wake up the peasants even more.
But, yeah, the media coverage has been the most heartening thing to see here.
The police haven't been too rough yet.
We've still got about three days of Bilderberg to go, and we're going to be doing everything humanly possible to get accurate information and to try and get them to release some sort of press release, something, even put on a semblance of openness, although I know it's not real meaningful. even put on a semblance of openness, although I know But I think we need to force their hand on that.
alex jones
Well, well said, Mark Anderson.
I look forward to having you pop back on sometime tomorrow when you've got more intel of what's happening.
We're going to work on getting Jim on coming up in the last hour, about an hour and 15 minutes from now, to get him to pop in.
I know he's got jet lag and is exhausted and trying to make his way up to his room right now.
So I'm going to put you on hold with my producer.
Here in just a moment so you guys can try to work that out because you're there basically assisting Mr. Tucker.
But before you go, tell folks how they can subscribe to the American Free Press and get all these detailed reports that will come out in the next few days on Bilderberg.
mark anderson
Online, it's AmericanFreePress.net.
That's AmericanFreePress.net.
Call 888-699-NEWS.
That's 888-699-NEWS for subscription information or if you want to just get a specific insert or issue.
And then you can get a 16 weeks for $17.76 trial subscription during the holidays.
Sometimes it's 16 weeks for $16.
That's four months.
of the foremost leading national news weekly.
And it's among the independent media like yours and Republic Magazine that is really trying to sort of dislodge the corporate media in America and show that there's other voices out there.
alex jones
Absolutely right.
We're going to break here in about two minutes.
I want to speak to you during the break, but I'm going to hand you over to Jaron right now.
We'll talk to you again soon, sir.
Thank you for joining us.
mark anderson
Thanks, Alex.
Appreciate it.
alex jones
You bet.
We'll get Mark Anderson on tomorrow or Sunday.
Sunday might be the show, live, 4 to 6 p.m.
Central.
We do shows six days a week here, if you're just tuned in.
Because so much happens over the weekend, I do a two-hour, abbreviated broadcast transmission, because so much is happening.
Maybe we should work on getting Tucker and Anderson on then as well, because then they'll have all their notes in hindsight and we can get some real intel, because things are just now kicking off.
It starts officially Thursday, some arrive on the Wednesday, and then they have the meeting Thursday evening, Friday, Saturday they play golf generally, and then Sunday they leave.
And we always get valuable info from Tucker.
There's other people go to the meetings and kind of get some good intel, make some stuff up.
But there's other folks that get good information as well.
But more and more, I mean, I'm just calling it like it is.
Bilderberg is more about the spectacle of the elite trying to meet in secret, trying to suppress media coverage.
The world government's now out in the open.
And now, this isn't Jim Tucker 30 plus years ago talking about world government and digging through the trash at Bilderberg and sneaking in and getting key info.
And that still happens.
Now it's out in the open.
A global constitution of the private central banks that you will pay carbon taxes to.
And Obama is hell-bent to get this through and he's saying, well, because of the BP spill, he's got to do this now.
Because they've had this problem and because they can't seem to fix it, and just so happens Goldman Sachs dumped more than half their stock just on BP days before.
And now Obama says, see, we need carbon taxes.
We need an environmental takeover because of this oil spill.
And then BP, of course, is the chief globalist oil company, one of the top companies that's at Bilderberg, owned by the royal family of England and the Dutch royal family of the Netherlands, in conjunction on record.
This is one of the top New World Order operations.
I mean, you watch my film Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
It covers Bilderberg, their agenda, eugenics, the whole New World Order system.
You watch that film and you very, very quickly realize that, you know, these people absolutely must be stopped and...
And that they're not going to give us any quarter.
And it's very important for everyone out there to get Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement on DVD.
That's probably overall the most important film I've ever made because it gives you, in two hours and 35 minutes, the entire spectrum of what we're facing.
We'll be right back with your phone calls and a lot more when Viktor Ostrovsky joins us.
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All right, I'm going I'm going to go to some of your phone calls.
Corey, Sonny, Bruce, Repatriate Ian in this segment and the next.
And then we've got Victor Ostrowski on.
I had a lot of callers today.
You heard them critical of what I had to say about the flotilla.
And, uh, you know, implying that I was saying people didn't have a right to defend themselves.
Uh, again, more straw man arguments.
Uh, I don't care if people hate me.
I mean, that's what folks don't understand.
It doesn't hurt me.
Uh, you know, people make stuff up or exaggerate or build straw men.
Uh, I just feel sorry for people not being honest about what I've said.
I was pointing out that I saw press reports where the people on that ship had claimed that they were fired on first, and now watching the videos, it looks like they were attacking people first.
Now clearly, the boarding is a form of assault.
And I got a guest coming on who's critical of it.
But, you know, it's so tribal.
It's like you've got to be on the pro-Israel side, or you've got to be on the anti-Israel side.
And I'm rebellious, folks.
I'm not going to be on either side.
I'm here covering the issues.
And the articles on Infowars.com and PrisonBuddy.com have been critical.
I'm trying to...
In my own little way, stop some type of confrontation.
But I'm not out there in the Mediterranean.
I'm not boarding the ship.
And I'm not beating the Israelis with the poles.
I'm here in Texas calling for the Second Amendment and sovereignty and supporting our borders and liberty.
And you know, a lot of what it is, is that people are just jealous of this radio show.
You got a lot of people that are in the alternative media, a lot of people that have websites, blogs, make films, and they think I'm like floating around on cloud nine.
And that Hollywood people and I'm so cool.
No, what I am is a hard-working person sitting here in a office park in South Austin.
Who bust my butt?
Who's going to be working at 10 o'clock tonight in the fight against the New World Order?
And so that's why I've been successful.
And it just frustrates me that so much energy is spent on Alex Jones.
I'd say maybe 20% of Internet activity that's anti-New World Order is actually about me, positive and negative.
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I mean, I could start organizations.
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If I was an egomaniac, though, I would probably form an organization and really try to reach for a lot of political power.
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Okay, my friends, we are back live, halfway into this transmission.
Victor Ostrowski, former Israeli Navy officer, and of course, Mossad officer as well, is going to be joining us to give us his take on what's happened with Israel and the flotilla.
Now, more ships coming, and what he thinks Israel's going to do with that situation, what Turkey's going to do.
That's coming up.
Let's go to Corey, Ian, and others right now.
Ian, in England, you're on the air.
Welcome.
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alex jones
Yes, yes Ian, go ahead.
unidentified
Hi, very good to hear from you.
Yeah, I've got, and don't, please don't get upset with what I'm going to ask, but I've been very interested in your following of Machete, the movie, as it's going out.
And I'm just wondering why we can't, I mean, you always say to validate the information.
And I've looked everywhere for a copy of the script.
Is there any word that it is, you know, a surreptitious distribution occurred?
alex jones
Well, to be clear, I was sent the script by an unnamed person involved with the production.
So we're just going to leave that.
I mean, you understand the media has sources and you don't give those sources up or you don't ever get another source again.
unidentified
Yes, Alex, I totally understand that.
alex jones
Okay, okay, so, so, and you've seen the trailer for it, and you can read the article two weeks ago, he did an interview, Rob Rodriguez, the filmmaker, with Any Cool News, and he said, I agree, there is some stuff in there that could have caused problems with what's happening in Arizona, and that he's going to cut it out of the film.
And I shot video of the script with screenshots.
Have you seen the video I put up with video of the pages underlined?
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Absolutely.
alex jones
Well, that's a digital reproduction.
I mean, how do you know?
I mean, if that could be fake, then the whole thing could be fake.
I just put out a fake script.
I mean, Rodriguez hasn't denied that I have the script.
I mean, it's been in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the Miami Herald, the Arizona newspapers.
It's been in the LA Times.
It's been in the Washington Post.
I mean, Mr. Rodriguez hasn't denied that I have the script.
unidentified
Absolutely.
I'm not denying that what you've put up there is in any way, shape, or form... Well, I mean, look, it gets into a copyright issue.
alex jones
It's one thing for me to show a script and to show maybe 30, 40 pages of an 87-page thing.
And that's even, you know, really a spoiler.
But this is political, and it's news, and I'm exposing it to stop some type of race war.
Okay.
Uh, and so, I mean, what am I supposed to do?
I mean, you know, the trailer is what's in the movie.
I have the script.
And Fox, 20th Century Fox, pulled the trailer.
I mean, what are you implying?
I don't understand.
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No, I'm not implying anything, Alex.
That's the whole point.
I said at the beginning, please don't take exception to it.
alex jones
No, I know, but I'm telling you, I just feel like it's wrong to take somebody's book and publish the whole thing.
I thought it was borderline to even show the script.
And if it was any other movie that wasn't about race war and hadn't been paralleled, and Arizona hadn't been called out, this is a message to Arizona, and if I didn't think it was a psy-op, I wouldn't have come out and reached out to the director saying, are you being used here, buddy?
I mean, I was contacted by his people.
And so it's a thin line to walk when you've got a script for a movie five, six months before it comes out.
I guess four months before it comes out.
So, yeah, I mean, we have the script and I'm not going to put the whole thing out because, you know, I don't want to, you know, in hindsight, he said he's cutting the race war stuff out.
And then that even kind of feels dirty to have somebody change something because I'm putting pressure on it.
I'm not even calling for his censorship.
I'm just speaking out against it.
Uh, and pointing out the taxpayer money did go to it.
What do you think of that?
But I don't have any wish to damage Robert Rodriguez.
And, you know, I think overall they'll end up helping his film in hindsight that we've talked about it.
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Eight minutes into this third hour, Viktor Ostrovsky is our guest.
We had him on many years ago about his book, On the Other Side of Deception.
And of course, the first book was a New York Times number one bestseller, By Way of Deception, and that turned into a big court case when the Israeli government filed a suit trying to block it.
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And you can go to his different websites, thebookpatch.com, where alternative books can be published online, or you can go to his fine art website as well, and we'll give you both of those coming up.
But I wanted to get him on because I saw a Washington Post headline yesterday where he basically criticized what happened and he called it stupid.
It was stupefying stupidity I believe was the quote.
And he is uniquely qualified to talk about this because he was an Israeli naval commander.
He was also the head of the Israeli Naval Weapons Development Program, and he was also a case officer in the Israeli Mossad, and then he left and spoke out about corruption, disinfo they gave the government, and other things.
We were talking during the break before he came live, because he hadn't been on in probably four or five years or longer, and I said to him, well just to be clear, I'm not part of the religion of hating Israel, and I'm also not part of the religion of worshipping Israel.
Because it seems like there's two different polarized camps, and I make both sides mad at me.
I just think every government's corrupt and out of control, like Thomas Jefferson said.
And I think Israel, you know, just from a layman's term, why not just stop the propellers?
Why not just let it come in to dock?
And, you know, then follow any weapons via satellite?
I mean, it was definitely a PR disaster, and now you've got Turkey coming in with ships.
You've got another flotilla coming in.
With Nobel laureates on board and you got the North Korea situation with the U.S.
George Washington going there.
All these crises popping up right now.
We couldn't have a better guest on than Victor.
So, Victor, break it down for us first your experience in the Israeli Navy and then in the Mossad.
I mean, I can't think of anybody better to speak about this than the point you made in the Washington Post that You believe the actual boots on the ground who have the expertise were ignored and that Netanyahu and others were running this.
So we'll talk about your history, what you think happened, what was wrong, and what you think they'll do next knowing their mindset.
victor ostrovsky
First of all, this kind of united all the extremists in Israel, you know, shouting... Actually, when you read in the Israeli papers, the commentary after the articles, they're saying, well, let them come again, we'll send them back in coffins.
I mean, this is the kind of, you know...
Crowd mentality that you get when things like that take place.
Netanyahu already announced today that he's willing to consider changing in the blockade, changes in the blockade on Gaza and bring in international forces that would be helpful in checking the materials that are coming in and out.
So basically what they tried to do with this flotilla had succeeded.
They wanted to point to a situation which is very disastrous, very bad for the reputation of Israel, this blockade holding so many people in such a dire strait.
The stupidity, in my opinion, was on the tactical side, not necessarily just the political.
You know, sometimes I look at people and you see all the actors and all these people come and talk about politics and what they would do and whatever, and just because people know their name, they think they have a right to an opinion.
I'm not a politician, so put that aside.
Look at the tactical side of it.
Here come ships loaded with civilians who you know what they are carrying.
You know there are no weapons aboard.
The Turkish government has checked that.
It is your ally.
You're about to have a military exercise with the Turks in the Mediterranean.
So it's not really an enemy, right?
And they're saying there are no weapons aboard.
So, you know, take the steps and make it, like, try to stop them outside the territorial water.
The Navy can do that.
The Israeli Navy, the Israeli commandos, probably the best in the world in doing that, after the SEALs, the American SEALs.
They could have stopped them quietly.
The guys on board would not even know what happened.
But first of all, even though you have the San Remo Naval, you know, manual that allows you to board ships if you have an embargo on an area outside your territorial waters, why go there?
Why not let them cross into the territorial waters?
It's still way out of range.
I mean, you're talking about 12, 14 miles.
Let them in.
And then Take whatever exercise you do, so at least you're taking one bad block off the table.
You're not in international water.
Secondly, the raid itself, the way they came into the ship, that was stupid.
I mean, I've worked with these commandos.
You can come down from a helicopter four at a time.
They chose to come down one at a time because of the narrow area that they had at the top of the ship.
Who comes in the top of the ship?
Why not at the bow or the stern where you have at least two or three areas that are protected?
The whole operation was stupid.
You clearly saw that this was something that was kind of pulled at the last minute.
Like somebody was shouting, go, go, go, go, go.
We don't have any time.
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victor ostrovsky
Let's do it.
Without and they had months to plan for this.
alex jones
So, there goes my stupid, and it's stupid... Well, I think it would have been politically smarter just to let the ships in.
If you know they were searched in Turkey, you know there's not weapons other than clubs.
Let them bring the aid into Gaza.
victor ostrovsky
Well, now you're talking on the political side.
Here's the problem.
The Israelis have stopped the bringing in of supplies into Gaza to a point where, for example, you can bring in, you know, cinnamon, but you can't bring in cardamom.
They have lists of things that the soldiers and the officers are busy making sure what comes in and what doesn't come in.
The blockade is not just against weapons.
They're not allowing construction materials like concrete and metal, because they're saying the metal will be used for missiles, the concrete will be used for bunkers.
They don't, and yet they have, and this is after the last raid into Gaza, which demolished, you know, 35% of all houses there.
So the blockade is not just against weapons.
It doesn't allow a variety of foods.
It only allows a very limited amount of medical equipment.
So the lists are very long.
This is a humanitarian problem with the blockade itself.
This is not typical Israeli behavior.
This is something that is almost vicious in its behavior to that.
That would never have been done and never has been done in the West Bank.
They're trying to basically tell the populace in Gaza, as long as you have the Hamas as your leaders, And...
You're going to be suffering.
And that's against the Geneva Convention.
It's against everything else.
alex jones
You cannot... And that's also, historically, just going to turn the population who wasn't radicalized to Hamas and only make them dig in.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
And we know that.
I mean, you know... I mean, the bottom line, there's a... The philosophy that always was prevalent in Israel was you can't fight ideas with force.
The only way you fight an idea is with a better idea.
And this has been forgotten.
It's like we can force them to surrender.
And we know that's not possible.
I mean, we had a blockade against the state of Israel before it was a state.
It was still Palestine.
And the British put a blockade, and it didn't help.
We kept bringing in people.
We brought in arms.
We, you know, we fought them off.
Because the stronger they fought, the harder we fought back.
This is the way people are.
There are three kinds of terrorism.
There's psychological or what's called ideological.
Terrorists, you have the territorial terrorists, and you have the, you know, the Looney Tunes.
Well, the Looney Tunes and the ideological ones you can usually beat, but the territorial ones you can't.
These are people fighting for freedom on their land.
They almost always succeed.
I mean, take it from the, starting from the American Revolution, and you go through every Time.
alex jones
You've got Vietnam, you've got the 80s with the Afghans and the Russians.
I mean... It's always.
victor ostrovsky
It's always.
And the people who have the ideological ones, which used to be like the Butter Meinhof or the Red Army Brigades or any one of those, they have disappeared in time.
That's why al-Qaeda, for example, tries to latch itself on to a territorial That's why Al-Qaeda wants to be tied in with groups like the Hamas, like the people in Yemen, because they need a territorial background and a suffering of a people to recruit new people to their lines.
The Gaza is like the magnet It's the Mecca!
alex jones
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It's the Mecca.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
There's no question about that.
And the suffering there is unbelievable.
I mean, people don't understand what we're talking about.
Going to the Gaza Strip, Sueto in South Africa at its worst was a paradise compared to what's going on in Gaza.
alex jones
It's incredible.
And the time we've got, I want to get into your books and some of the things you criticize, the Israeli government.
And the Mossad did when you were involved in it.
And also the Navy.
But you talked about militarily, if they were going to do this, you would go in an open-top wet submarine, or basically a glorified underwater sea-doo.
And then basically, there's a lot of different ways to disable those propellers, and then it doesn't give the people wanting to have this big standoff a spectacular event.
Because, you know, at a base level, people always cheer for the underdog.
You got folks, you know, with clubs getting shot by commandos.
I mean, that, any way you slice it, is going to be a PR disaster for Israel.
And again, I'm no genius about all this stuff, but I can see that.
I mean, it seems like a five-year-old can mentally work through all this.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
It's stupefying.
I mean, how do you even explain it when you have the Israeli government responding and saying, okay, they came down with commandos on board ships in the middle of the night from a helicopter, and then they're saying that the people defending themselves are attacking the soldiers?
I mean, even the explanation is stupid.
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Stay there, Victor.
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This is a short segment.
You were finishing up with the plight of what's happening in Gaza.
And then I want you to elaborate on the mindset of the Likudniks.
Uh, who say, hey, we got 400 nukes and, you know, we're just ready to go wild.
I mean, basically, I mean, chutzpah is the word.
And then expanding on that, uh, what you see happening with Turkey, they're saying they're going to send naval ships in.
Uh, they're saying that, you know, more ships from Ireland and Malta, uh, and, and other places are coming.
And, and what do you expect Israel to do?
victor ostrovsky
Well, according to the Prime Minister, he's already starting to feel that he's under U.S.
pressure and that he just may ease the Gaza siege.
I mean, there's no question about that.
And easing it in a way that he would kind of like Backtrack, but not lose face to his own party, which is an extreme right-wing party in Israel, which has people like Lieberman and others who are extremely right-wing.
I mean, these are people who are calling for any citizen in Israel to make an oath of allegiance to Israel as a Jewish state.
Now, that would be a problem for a lot of Palestinians who are not Jewish, and he wants them to lose their citizenship should they not be willing to make that oath.
So that's the kind of people we're dealing with.
So Netanyahu is caught between the rock and the hard place.
Even if he wants to compromise, he has to do it in a way that he shows that he's not losing face.
He will try and give some leniency towards materials coming in, and that would alleviate the situation in the Gaza Strip without a question.
Turkey may, may, I don't think they will, but they may send, you know, an escort, a military escort with those ships.
Then the question is, do you actually confront them?
Do you put Israeli ships to confront Turkish ships?
That I don't think is something Israel would want to do.
Now the Turkish ships would not cross into Israeli waters.
They would probably stop in the international water on the line if that were to happen.
Now, we're dealing with countries here that are easy to get, you know, to heat up.
You know, Turkey, with all due respect, is not exactly your, you know, your angel in the area.
I mean, they're dealing with the Kurds in a way that, you know, nobody wants to.
They're preventing them from their own languages and there's a lot of things they have there.
alex jones
Yeah, Turkey's got a military iron fist and basically a front government, and that's on record, and that's going to destabilize Turkey if they are put into a confrontation with Israel.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely, and it's an internal problem that they have to solve, too.
And Radwan, who is trying to show a face to the Muslim world in what he's doing, basically this whole situation has forced everybody in the whole arena to turn towards their extreme side and say, we're not on Israel's side.
That's what they have achieved in this.
So this is what Israel has achieved in their attack on the ship.
Egypt, which was an ally to Israel for at least three years in this blockade, had had to back off and open the border between Gaza and Israel.
Already 500 Palestinians had been allowed into Egypt, and they're allowing a lot more, something they had not done for the last three years under extreme pressure from all the Arab world, and they have allowed it now.
So basically it's kind of like, talk about shoot yourself in the foot.
This is exactly what they have done.
Had they stopped them out in the water, like you said before, with those what's called wet submarines, which is really a large torpedo with two or three or six seats in it that people are, you know, divers are in it with their oxygen tanks and whatever.
They could have come close to the rear end of those ships and stopped them without nobody on board even knowing what happened.
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victor ostrovsky
They could have boarded these ships in a way that would be a lot easier to handle.
I mean, Again, they basically almost started the riot by, you know, they threw tear gas grenades first before they came off the helicopters and then figured that's what's going to happen.
And now some of them are saying, well, we came down with paintball rifles.
Well, OK, even if they had paintball rifles, which I doubt, How does the guy on the ground know that what's aiming at him is a paintball rifle?
alex jones
Well, how do all these people get killed if it's paintball?
victor ostrovsky
Well, and here's the funny part.
They say paintball rifles, but then they say, well, they shot at us.
They say, but they didn't have any, the people in the ship did not have any weapons.
They said, yeah, but they took some weapons from Israeli soldiers and then shot at them.
Well, how is it that when an Israeli soldier shoots, it's a paintball rifle, and when he's shot back, it's a real gun?
alex jones
It's amazing propaganda, but just to be clear earlier, we're going to break.
We'll get the answer when we come back.
You're saying that it's good the people were defending themselves, or that's a normal response.
I mean, that's what I got from what you said before the last break.
So stay there, sir.
We'll come back, long segment.
Get your take on that.
And then we'll overall talk about the state of Israel, period, and where you see the whole world going.
Stay with us.
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Wow, so that's a very affordable books on demand, but really one-stop shop.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely, and you don't have to order them.
In fact, if you finish writing it, you can put it in the bookstore and other people will order it, and then they buy it.
You don't have to order books, you don't have to put any expenditure out.
I mean, I think people who have a talent or have something to say and want to have a book out don't have to go into a big spending spree in order to get one in their hand.
I think it should be something that's really easy and cheap and inexpensive.
And that's what we try to do, and that's why the book patch is, you know, we have over, we've launched it about two weeks ago, and we have over 400 people writing books as we speak.
alex jones
Amazing.
No, it's a genius idea, and I hope folks check it out.
And we'll talk about why you launched it from your experience of attempted censorship.
Now, finishing up, before we get into some other subjects with you while we have you, what do you expect to happen, though?
I mean, you're saying it'd be smart of Netanyahu to back off, and you're saying it looks like he is a little bit, but the same bravado or arrogance or, I mean, I don't know what you call it, that caused this could lead to more.
I mean, I don't want you to look into a crystal ball because none of us have one, but what do you think is most likely to happen?
victor ostrovsky
Well, I think that the ships are going to continue coming.
There's no question about that.
And you can understand why.
There is people in suffering, and there is a need to help.
So this is just one covers the other.
And there is a force trying to stop them.
And people feel that they're justified in doing it, and more and more volunteers will join and make that happen.
It's kind of like, you know, fighting the good fight, so to speak.
What would happen is that Israel will find a way, and I think that's what they're working on now, to allow the ship closer in, to surround it in a way that it's not harmful to the people on board, and to show that they're allowing the material to come down, but they don't want the big presentation.
That is the best, smart way to do it.
But again, Considering the fact that we're dealing with the same people who send commandos in the middle of the night to drop onto a ship, fully armed, and then complain that they were being attacked, then, you know, uh...
What do you say?
alex jones
I mean, what could you... Well, that's another point.
I mean, there's that archetypal thing of men lowering down in the night.
That's when the bad guys come.
victor ostrovsky
That's right, and you're scared of that.
I mean, wouldn't you be scared?
I mean, what would you... Now, don't forget, we're talking about people that have been dealing with Israel on the sharp side of the bayonet.
So they know what's happening.
Israeli soldiers have gone into the West Bank, have gone into Gaza, had used their weapons.
People have died in large numbers.
alex jones
Yeah, a lot of the people on that boat have family or cousins or friends that are dead.
victor ostrovsky
I would not know.
unidentified
I don't know, but I know a lot of them are volunteers who have heard about this.
alex jones
Some of them were former Gazans, yeah.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
victor ostrovsky
And some of them are people that have never been back to Israel and their families have been evicted in 1948.
So you don't know, but there's a lot of tension going on.
And now when they're being attacked, they have no idea or no They can believe that, you know, the soldiers are coming to kill them.
I mean, they don't know.
And it's not like the Israelis came down from the helicopter, you know, threw down ballots and said, we're coming in in a force.
Do not resist us.
You know, we will fire it.
They just came down those ropes and the people and to say that they were had weapons.
I mean, they're showing kitchen knives.
Show me a cruise ship that doesn't have kitchen knives.
alex jones
Or binoculars.
victor ostrovsky
What kind of weapons are those?
alex jones
Well, they're calling binoculars night vision, but expanding on that...
A Arab member of the Israeli Knesset is on record, you've probably seen this, saying that Israel wanted high casualties to intimidate people from coming, but watching the video, and correct me if you think I'm wrong, it doesn't really look like that, it just looks like Laurel and Hardy basically.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
You know what?
There is no way, no legitimate government in Israel, and I don't care if they're right-wing or left-wing or center, would send people out to, you know, go kill them.
Anybody who says that doesn't know what the hell they're talking about because that would not happen and nobody would ever dare even say that.
alex jones
Well, it wouldn't happen because it would be a PR disaster.
victor ostrovsky
Well, no, it wouldn't happen because that is not what Israelis are about.
That's not, you know, that's taking it to a degree that it's not there.
alex jones
Let me expand on that since you brought that up.
What about the USS Liberty that two years ago that they did declassify the NSA intercepts that Israel was not being honest about why they attacked that ship?
victor ostrovsky
Well, let me tell you this about the Liberty.
I was in the Navy.
I was not in the Navy at the time that it happened.
I can tell you categorically, okay, from my knowledge of the people who were involved at the time in the Israeli Navy, categorically, and you can see that I'm not somebody who goes out to defend Israel.
Categorically, this was an accident.
Now, there was a lot of screw-ups on the way.
I have spoken to many people of the Liberty.
I have said this again and again.
There was an ambassador from Lebanon, an American ambassador in Lebanon, who said, and this was, he was making a speech, and I was on the phone.
I was on a remote You know, contact.
And he said that he personally heard Israeli pilots talking to each other and saying that they recognize or they notified or they saw the flag that was being waved and that's an American ship and they said, doesn't matter, let's go attack anyway.
And then I turned to him and I spoke to him in Hebrew.
And he did not respond because he said he doesn't understand Hebrew.
So I asked him, how did you hear their voices saying that?
Because you think the Israeli pilots were talking English just for you?
And he kind of backed off, and he said, no, I read it in the transcripts.
I said, but you just said you heard them in your own ears.
And it went on and on.
There's a lot of fabrication going on about that particular piece, but I can tell you categorically, knowing the people.
I also know that the head of the Israeli Navy at the time was not found anywhere, and everybody was looking for him because they had the skunk on the radars, a skunk being an unidentified ship.
And he was nowhere to be had because he was having an affair in the middle of the war.
So, you know, not everybody came out smelling well from that, but that was not a deliberate act.
And the mistakes were, you know, colossal.
alex jones
Well, I've interviewed the admirals, and they're all dead now, but those interviews are there, and they said that when they got on the phone to McNamara and said, we're sending ships to defend, McNamara said, no, you're not to, and they refused his order, and then LBJ came on and said, look, that ship's going to the GD bottom, and that basically it was a pre-done deal to blame it on Egypt, but you're saying that isn't the deal.
victor ostrovsky
No, no, no.
You're mixing two things.
The fact that there was a cover-up after that, and that American ships or forces were not sent to aid, and all that, that is accurate.
I don't know about that.
I can't say to that anything.
I can only say that the attack on the ship itself was not a deliberate act by the Israeli Navy or the Israeli Air Force, and nobody who fired at any point has known or admitted to know that it was an American.
alex jones
Well, how could torpedo boats not see an American flag?
victor ostrovsky
Well, because by the time the torpedo boats arrived, you're talking about there was smoke on board already.
They called in the numbers that were on the side.
They did not see the flag because the flag was being waved towards the planes.
Now, this is all I can tell you.
I mean, I can't get into a lot of detail about it because of the fact that I have not been there.
But I know the people that were involved.
And on a personal level, this is completely on a personal level, I can vouch for every one of them knowing that none of the people I know would have opened fire on an American ship.
Yeah, take it for what it's worth.
alex jones
Yeah, well, from my research, it looks like a live-action Gulf of Tonkin.
I mean, again, I'm not... No, no, no.
victor ostrovsky
No, actually not.
Now, where I find it hard to fathom, what I do find hard to fathom is the fact that the airplanes, the planes did not see the flag.
Now, I don't know.
Now, maybe a pilot was strafing and he saw the flag at the last minute and he doesn't want to admit it.
That could have been the case.
I don't know.
I've seen the footage from the machine gun cameras, right?
And when it passes over, you don't see any flag at that point.
And in fact, that is available in the Israeli Navy book.
I have a copy of that book.
alex jones
No, I know.
I've seen the footage on television.
It's a gray gun pod camera.
You see a big black blob, but his eyes weren't shooting black and white film.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
I can't argue with that.
So that's what I'm saying.
I can tell you from the Navy standpoint, the people who were on board Okay, well that's your take on it.
alex jones
I don't want to burn up all of our time.
Separately, you've written two books and I remember one account about the Israelis, what, submarine jacking in to a Libyan communications facility and sending out false flag info that then got Reagan to send in the aardvarks and blow up Gaddafi's tents.
Break that down for us and talk about your books.
victor ostrovsky
Well, okay, this was written in The Other Side of Deception, which is my second non-fictional book, and I described there what happened was there were Mossad units with special forces that came in and installed a bounce-off device, which is kind of like a... it's a communication system that
You can broadcast to it from some location, it then takes the communication that you've sent to it and will bounce it off as if it's coming from a source very close to where it's located.
In fact, they put it in an apartment building, which was a block and a half or two blocks away.
I don't remember exactly from the Libyan high command.
And they broadcast information in code that was then broken to say that they basically took responsibility, that the Libyans put responsibility on the Libyans for the LaBelle attack where an American serviceman that the Libyans put responsibility on the Libyans for the LaBelle attack
And that called in itself as a terrorist attack against American forces, brought about the attack by Reagan, who called in an air attack on Libya that killed Gaddafi's daughter, I think, one of his children or something.
alex jones
So that is a frame-up.
victor ostrovsky
Yes.
alex jones
And so when you were in the Massad, you had knowledge of that?
victor ostrovsky
Yes.
Yes.
This is the information that I'm talking about.
alex jones
Israel cannot be happy that you're talking about that.
victor ostrovsky
They never were.
Well, Israel's not happy about anything I say.
The point is, I don't wave flags.
When I talk about these things, I talk about either what I know No, I understand.
alex jones
It sounds like you're saying you're a political atheist.
What are some other interests?
I mean, what made you get upset with the Mossad and critical?
I mean, what are some of the other misdeeds?
victor ostrovsky
Well, what got me... I'm not a political atheist.
I have a left leaning, and I admit that.
And I think the Palestinians should have a state.
alex jones
Well, by political, I mean atheist, I mean you just try to analyze the facts, you see.
victor ostrovsky
Yes, I do.
My main concern with the Mossad, my main problem with the Mossad was the fact that the Mossad is a very important entity in the protection of the State of Israel.
And what it should do is gather information, analyze it to the best of its ability, Put it into the process of, you know, into the rest of the information gathering system and provide the leaders of the state the ability to make a decision which is based on reality and data.
The Mossad had a tendency to feel that, you know, politicians come and go, we can't rely on them to make the proper decisions, so therefore we will tailor the information in a way that will cause and about the results that we call for.
You can't trust the Arabs.
There's never going to be peace.
The Palestinians have no intention.
alex jones
And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
All intelligence agencies have been caught doing that.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
But, you know, not being a member of others, I can't complain about them.
And I don't feel a responsibility that I need to.
alex jones
What type of missions did you mainly run?
victor ostrovsky
Mainly recruiting of agents.
The difference between a case officer and an agent, where a lot of people mix it up, a case officer is a person who works in the field and makes contact with people of the enemy, turns them, and then sends them back into their own countries to gather information for you.
That's what a case officer does, and that was my job.
alex jones
So you were like a spy master?
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely, yes.
Well, yeah, no way.
It's more kind of a handler.
alex jones
And I was more on the side of the actual... And that's a point you made in the Washington Post that guaranteed Israeli intelligence is all over Turkey.
They had people on probably all those ships.
victor ostrovsky
There's no question about that.
In fact, the question that arises today about this, you know, this screw-up is, which intelligence was wrong here?
If the Mossad did not provide the intelligence to the naval intelligence, then it's Mossad's fault.
alex jones
Well, stay there.
Let's talk about that when we come back, and we'll take some phone calls with our guest.
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This happens sometimes.
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Maybe when we take a few calls, they can give us what that question was.
But Victor Ostrowski is our guest.
TheBookPatch.com is one of his websites.
And we're here discussing the situation the world's in.
Separately, you've got the whole North Korean peninsula with the U.S.
aircraft carrier about to arrive.
And I find it very curious that there's all these tensions rising globally as there's a world economic meltdown happening.
And I go back to World War I and World War II, we always have wars when the planet is in a crisis.
And I don't know if it's human instinct or if it's being orchestrated or what's happening, but looks like rough times are ahead.
Victor, what's your take on the whole geopolitical landscape?
unidentified
When you have problems economically, governments tend to go to war.
victor ostrovsky
I mean, it drowns out their failures and puts the focus on something more dangerous.
It's like they said, the biggest solution to all economic problems would be aliens if they arrived, because then we would unite.
Things can be solved in simple terms, but politicians have a problem that they have, you know, short-term elections.
They have to get re-elected again.
alex jones
Well, you brought that up during a break.
There's a lot of scandals in Israel right now.
Maybe Netanyahu knew this would blow up, but it would have a way of unifying Israelis and is a good smokescreen.
victor ostrovsky
I think he's got a big problem with trying to solve the situation in the Middle East.
I mean, when you have one of the chief heads of the American military go in front of Congress and say that every time an Israeli soldier shoots a Palestinian kid, you know, five More people joined Al-Qaeda and shooted American soldiers in Afghanistan.
And he tied the things together, which are to be tied.
I mean, one does relate to the other.
I mean, we're all, so to speak, fighting the same war against terror.
And as we're fighting it, we're creating situations that allow people to be recruited into that.
Into that world so and we have to remember things from history I mean people are saying oh, you know we have people that are Americans that have joined Al Qaeda I know they're all so surprised, but don't forget.
alex jones
You know you had British Heads of the intelligence who turned sides and joined the Soviets so you know you also had British British commandos who helped set up the State of Israel as well That's correct.
victor ostrovsky
And so did American soldiers that were there.
alex jones
But expanding on that, if you have a thousand Predator drones killing people indiscriminately, don't even have to know what their name is, because they have a gun in Afghanistan or Pakistan, that is going to create real terrorism.
victor ostrovsky
Well, the thing is this.
Here's the thing.
We have created these monsters, so to speak, that we can't talk to them.
And if you can't talk to them, then you have to kill them.
Uh, and they're saying, well, if you have to kill me, I'm going to fight back.
On the other hand, if you create a dialogue and you open a window and you say, wait a minute, wait a minute, you know, uh, let's not Let's do it that way.
alex jones
But the military-industrial complex wants war, wants a pretext, wants weapons sales, so it's only going to get worse.
victor ostrovsky
Well, Eisenhower threatened against that.
He warned us against that.
He said at the time, beware of the military-industrial complex.
And there is one, for example, in Israel.
I know that for a fact.
The Israeli military wants to try new weapons.
They want to try new equipment.
They want to make sure that things are happening.
And that's why Mossad is part of that same game, saying, you know, we need to develop things so we can protect ourselves.
alex jones
All right, we're going to do just one more segment.
We'll have to have you back soon.
We'll go to Free Patriot David George and a few others with quick questions for our guest.
And then we'll definitely have him up sooner than, I don't know how many years.
It might have been eight, nine years.
I forget.
I just remember we've had Victor on before and he remembers it as well.
We'll be right back in 70 seconds.
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All right, final segment with Victor Ostrowski.
We will continue with your phone calls into the final hour that we just kicked off.
And I got a bunch of news.
On the BP oil spill, on the economy, on what's happening in China, North Korea, it's all coming up.
But former Mossad case officer, and he's also a Navy commander, so uniquely qualified to speak about the flotilla fiasco.
Victor Ostrowski is our guest for about another five minutes.
Free patriot in Ohio, you're on the air, go ahead.
unidentified
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
How are you guys doing today?
alex jones
We're doing good, go ahead.
unidentified
I have a question.
This is mainly towards Victor.
If Israel was attacked by other nations and threatened its existence, is it still possible for Israel to initiate the Samson Option?
victor ostrovsky
Well, Israel has a nuclear capability, and I don't think they consider that.
The Sassan option is kind of like a generality that is used, which is, you know, we'll take them with us and we'll go.
Israel has the capability of smaller nuclear weapons.
that can take out enemies that are trying to attack it without destroying itself.
unidentified
Nobody around in that area really has the kind of capability to compare.
victor ostrovsky
And so, and the head of Mossad just said about a week ago that Iran's capability has been hampered and their whole system is coming down anyway.
alex jones
So, well, yeah, I mean, Iran's trying to have it enriched in Brazil and then our own government's trying to block that.
I mean, that fixes it right there.
victor ostrovsky
And Turkey, by the way.
unidentified
Turkey and Brazil both offered to do that.
It's a strange thing, but yeah, they have the option.
victor ostrovsky
They have the military capability and the nuclear capability to do that, but I don't think it should be called the Samson option anymore because it's not a self-destructive element.
unidentified
Okay, thank you.
mark anderson
You're welcome.
alex jones
Alright, let's talk to David in Florida.
You're on the air with our guest.
Go ahead, David.
unidentified
Yeah, Alex, I have a question for Victor.
You had a guest on the other day, Mr. Hart, and he was talking about the Mossad might be involved with the 9-11, and that was his theory.
I was wondering what Victor thought of that.
alex jones
Yeah, the former BBC reporter, I had him on because he talked to engineers who said it was explosives and we know the buildings were blown up.
That's a separate issue.
And then he was saying his theory is that Al-Qaeda was going to do the attack and that Mossad knew about it because it did come out in our news that Mossad was shadowing them.
What's your take on that, Victor?
victor ostrovsky
It's absolutely Ridiculous.
Israel as a whole, Mossad in particular, would never get involved in anything like that.
The U.S.
is an ally.
We disagree on things.
Israel disagrees with them.
unidentified
But never, ever, ever would Israel do that.
victor ostrovsky
And again, like I said, I'm not the one defending Israel or whatever, but I can tell you that categorically, that knowing the people in the Mossad, knowing a lot of friends of mine who are still working there, that would not be done.
unidentified
Ever.
alex jones
This is... Well, here's my issue.
Government staged terror, and Israel wanted us to go into the Middle East, but Dick Cheney was in control of the stand-down.
The Pentagon, NORAD, CIA drills that day, and so I see these intelligence agencies all joined at the hip.
I know that governments are capable of anything.
My whole issue is, and of course I expose the entire 9-11 situation, that people who think Israel did the thing all by themselves... No, I don't think Israel was involved at all.
Period.
What I'm saying is Israel couldn't run the attack, even if you believe that it is an inside job, which I do, Victor.
I have the evidence.
I'm saying Israel couldn't run the entire attack.
victor ostrovsky
Well, Israel could not have been even involved.
And that would be, you know what, Israel is an open society.
On that level.
And they would have come out.
And there is just no, there is no basis for that.
And I can tell you that Israel would never, ever do that.
unidentified
Never get involved in that.
alex jones
But certainly you've heard all the accusations about Israel being involved.
victor ostrovsky
I've heard so many things, you know, about the kitchen sink on them.
And I'm the first one to point out what they are involved in and what they're not from my personal knowledge.
I can tell you that one thing I can guarantee with my life, and I would stake my life on that, and Israel had nothing to do with 9-11.
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Well, you know what, sir?
We've got a break.
Do a few more minutes with us under the sack, because I'm going to finish up on this discussion with our guest, Victor Ostrowski.
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alex jones
Victor Ostrowski is our guest.
The website is thebookpatch.com or Ostrowskifineart.com.
A former naval commander and then a Mossad commander case officer, handler, spy master, whatever you want to call it.
And I was talking to him during the break and I said, look, I think Israel does corrupt, bad things.
They've been caught doing false flags.
You know, you've talked about it.
And I said, I don't think Israel could carry out 9-11.
And he said, well, Israel didn't do it.
I can tell you that.
But they sure could carry it out.
So, whoa, he's got my attention there.
I want to hear what he has to say on that subject.
And I'm glad that the caller brought up that point.
So, Victor, please enlighten me.
victor ostrovsky
Well, anybody could do it.
It was a very simple operation.
The point was this.
The operation that the Al-Qaeda carried out in taking out the buildings in 9-11 and doing this whole attack was based on a simple, basic thing.
And the basic thing was that you were defenseless.
You stood there.
You had no expectations of it.
You didn't have any system to protect you against it.
You did not take any measures to stop anything like that.
You were not even thinking in that direction.
You had a whole system that was built and designed to fight the Soviet Union and to fight other, you know, countries.
And here comes a small organization, relatively small, that had trained in the U.S.
to fly planes, gets onto an airplane.
You did not have a locked door between the front and the back.
alex jones
You know, you go onto any allowed plane and this will... No, no, I understand, Victor, but what I'm saying is, I mean, you're looking at this from the way it's projected at us.
I'm looking at what, you know, the evidence shows happened on 9-11.
I mean, the point is, does Israel have... I mean, you know, technically, then, you're saying a group of Israelis could have gone on, taken over, A group of, you know what, let's put it this way, a group of courts could have done it.
No, I know, but I mean, Israel doesn't have suicide operators.
victor ostrovsky
Look, you know what?
First of all, every country at its own time had somebody who, you know, I mean, the first suicide bomber was, you know, was Israeli in a way.
I mean, Samson said, may I die with a Philistine.
So, you know, it started somewhere.
But the point of it is that to carry out such an operation, You don't need much.
And to say that you have to have a whole system in place, when you're talking about, you know, NORAD or whatever, you're talking about some civilian airplanes that are flying in the air out of their lock when nobody at the time was thinking about that being done and that an airplane could actually be used.
alex jones
Okay, let's go over this briefly.
I mean, let me tell you then, and I can send you all this if you want it, because I don't expect everybody to be aware of everything going on.
It is confirmed, Colonel Stephen Butler at the Defense Language School, Monterey, California, AP, San Jose Mercury News, and I talked to him on the phone, it is confirmed in Newsweek, everywhere, that these guys, I've interviewed Springman, the head of the Visa Division, they were ordered to let them in, they were told their terror list is only their cover, they work for us, the CIA was running a drill that day.
victor ostrovsky
They didn't have a terror list at the time.
alex jones
Oh yeah, the CIA did.
The CIA did with the State Department.
victor ostrovsky
Yeah, you know what?
I'll make a deal with you.
You see, I'm in total disagreement with you.
Okay?
And I'm allowed to do that.
I mean, you're the first guy who will say that I'm allowed to have a different opinion than you.
alex jones
Sure, yeah.
victor ostrovsky
I'm saying, okay, you got my email.
Send me the stuff.
Let me look at it.
I'll come back and I'll tell you my opinion.
I may tear everything you say down.
alex jones
Well, I mean, NORAD did stand down, and we do have the tapes of them saying, what's this exercise stuff on my screen?
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely!
It makes absolute sense.
You know, if that's the case, and if that's there, yeah.
Why would they think differently?
It's not been done before.
You know what?
I was on a radio show when my book came out, By Way of Deception, and I was arguing that, you know, some people are defending Israel's acts.
To the extreme and I said what would happen one day if somebody walks up to you at 30,000 feet and puts a gun to your head and says show me your passport?
Now, do you want to have a passport that has a total agreement with everything Israel does?
Or do you want to have somebody that actually stood up and said something?
So, this was not something that was not on the minds of people in intelligence services around the world.
Israel did not put steel doors in the airplanes because they thought it would be better for the pilots because, you know, women wanted to get to them.
There was a reason for that.
We all knew that.
America decided not to take action, not to protect itself, because it was too costly.
Because it would take too much money.
alex jones
Let me expand on that.
I mean, they've got naked body scanners in to teach us how to submit.
victor ostrovsky
Now they do.
Now they do.
alex jones
To teach us how to submit to tyranny.
Look, look.
The Gulf of Tonkin was staged.
That's now declassified.
I've got the army training manuals for captains in black ops that have been leaked, which the government admits are real, where they teach our army captains how to stage terror attacks.
Now, are you, I mean, you know about false flag.
You talk about Israel, Ron.
victor ostrovsky
Absolutely.
alex jones
So what I'm telling you is, look.
Now, to be clear what you said during the break though, I mean, have you looked at the information about 9-11 having evidence of false flag?
victor ostrovsky
No.
alex jones
Are you aware that there are police and firemen saying, get back, they're blowing up building 7 and that BBC reported building 7 had fallen 25 minutes before it fell?
No.
victor ostrovsky
No, I'm telling you right now, no.
I don't.
But you see, either I've been brainwashed, or whatever you want to call it, but I don't believe that the American government, I don't believe that the Israeli government, I don't believe that, I don't believe that.
alex jones
Now, I think it's rogue networks, rogue networks within the government structures, working together.
Look, I mean, Cheney... What would be the point?
All right, PNAC, Project for a New American Century, September 20th, 2000, said, Minus a huge Pearl Harbor catalyzing event, we're not going to be able to launch our Pax Americana world government.
We need a giant stage terror attack.
We need a terror attack.
victor ostrovsky
You know where all this has a problem?
Where I find a problem with the American government supposedly trying to take over everything?
If we did, we wouldn't be in such a big debt to China.
I mean, look at the situation we're in today.
The situation is not of a world leader.
The situation we're in today, you know, is a nation almost at its knees, economically, to a world that it gave open access to everything it has.
If you think there's a problem here, I'll tell you what I think the problem here.
I think the problem here is that we have no tariffs.
I think that anybody can come to this country, sell whatever they want, whatever price they want, No, I agree, but that's globalization.
alex jones
The globalists used America to build its empire.
Now they've set us up as the boogeyman, and they're going to basically chop us down like wheat in the autumn.
Victor Ostrowski, I really appreciate you joining us.
The website is thebookpatch.com.
Two interesting, informative books, critically acclaimed, on the inside of the Mossad and the Israeli government.
I look forward to having you back in the near future, and we appreciate your insight on the situation with the flotilla.
And as that unfolds, you may be back with us next week for a brief interview if you can, okay?
victor ostrovsky
Anytime you want.
alex jones
It's been a pleasure.
victor ostrovsky
Thank you.
alex jones
Thanks a lot.
Interesting having him on.
So we've had people on that believe Israel's the source of all evil.
We've had people on who basically love Israel and think it can't do much wrong.
We've had people on kind of in the middle of the road like Victor.
So we're trying to give a wide view to this as I try to decipher what's going on here for myself.
You know, like I've always said, I can't tell right away what's going on.
But give me time, I can tell you.
Just like day one, I said, look staged with the underwear bomber on Christmas.
And within a month, we knew the State Department was ordered to let him on and protected him, and that was staged.
And I'm not sure yet, but I'm getting more and more there that BP was a staged deal to pass carbon taxes.
And now we find out that the stock was dumped by Goldman Sachs two days before at a record low.
I know how this system works, and I think even intelligent people like Victor, they look at it in a two-dimensional way, but I'm looking at it in a, not even a three-dimensional or four-dimensional, but a fifth-dimensional, you know, all these different angles and compartments and, you know, dimensions to it, you know, to really get that full-spectrum analysis.
That's how we're able to predict things so accurately here on the show.
But it's mind-boggling.
Look, I'm going to go to your calls in a bunch of news, but I wanted to bring Ted Anderson up.
He hasn't been on in a while, and gold has been way up in the last week.
Record levels in Europe.
Record levels here.
Premiums on gold coin surge.
This is out of International Business Times.
Despite the rising prices of gold, physical demand for the yellow metal continues to surge.
Physical demand for gold is robust and premiums on gold coins continue to rise in key bullion markets in London, Dubai, Mumbai, New York, and Beijing.
According to the Analysts for Gold Corp., premiums on British gold sovereigns have increased from 3% to 7%.
In just one month on British sovereigns and British investors buy the coins as they do.
And then it just goes on from there.
I just want to point out, Ted keeps buying gold when it's low, selling it when it's high at the old price.
And he's run out of almost everything at, you know, the price when gold was $70, $80 lower.
But he's still got a little bit.
And then he bought other coins as it was going up that are still the best deals you're going to find.
I mean, I use the example of, I've seen one of the biggest gold companies selling francs Uh, European francs, fifth of an ounce, for 360.
And Ted, last week, what was, they were 250-something.
I mean, Ted's losing money in this market if he bought them now.
Uh, so there's always a premium, but you can forget the premium, you can forget, you know, even bullion prices with these deals.
So briefly, Ted, what do you have right now for people that's available, because most coin shops are sold out, or there's giant premiums?
ted anderson
Well, like you said, Alex, the best thing that I have going on right now is the Frank coin at $256.68.
Now, if you buy that coin from us, you're going to get a full year subscription to Bob Chapman's International Forecaster, too.
alex jones
Yeah, but even if people have already got the free forecaster, which is twice a week and a great value, that isn't what matters.
That $256 per fifth of an ounce Frank, that's a really good deal.
ted anderson
It's as good as it gets across the entire globe.
And you're right about the British sovereigns, too.
The premiums have shot up in them.
The supplies are so thin that I don't even sell them right now.
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But briefly, gentlemen, come back.
Tell us about some of the other coin offers you've got that are also excellent deals.
Folks, you're not going to find Franks any less than this, and you're probably not going to be able to find them this love.
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We'll be back.
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But he should have it tomorrow, if not by Sunday, from the global government meeting going on in Spain.
So look for that tomorrow.
I've got a key announcement coming up after the next break.
I'm going to blitz through some news and I promise get to all the phone callers that are patiently holding 1-800-259-9231.
But Ted, I've got some mainstream articles here today that explain that you've got bankrupt countries bailing out bankrupt countries, and then they bail out the other bankrupt countries, but the private bankers are issuing all this currency and credit out of nothing.
They're getting real assets in return.
There's a method to this madness, and you notice Greece goes down, and then Spain, and now France, and England, and Iceland, and it's just getting worse and worse.
The jobless number's up, more factories shutting down.
You've got the situation with Mercury.
Not going to be able to buy Mercury anymore, folks.
The government runs GM.
They want us dependent.
And there's no silver bullet to save anybody in this, except take the states back, take our government back, get a true fiscal responsibility.
But as a stopgap measure to protect yourselves, I don't buy gold and silver as an investment.
Though I started buying gold when it was $265 or so an ounce.
And I still buy it when it's $1,200.
And I don't sell it when it goes up to quote, take a profit.
It's an emergency backup against total depression.
Just like storable food or firearms.
And it's not that I'm living in fear.
Oh no!
I'm living in control!
Just like the old-timers.
Just like the grasshopper doesn't store stuff during the summer, the ant does.
The ant lives through the winter, the grasshopper dies.
And a lot of people are buying gold right now as an investment.
Look, the point is, and people only buy when it's going up.
It's crazy.
Well, with TED, you can get in a time machine and go back and get a better deal on it.
Again, $256 per franc.
I wouldn't buy just one and then get a free newsletter.
That's a great way to stick your toe in.
I would, you know, move substantively in it if I was you, but that's what I would do personally.
Ted, briefly, what are some of the other coin offers you've got and other gold coins you've got on hand, silver coins, some of the other smoking deals you've got?
ted anderson
Well, the Walking Liberty half at $9.75 is a great buy.
I mean, we have Eagles, U.S.
Eagles.
We have Krugerrands.
We have Maple Leafs.
I mean, we have bags of junk silver.
alex jones
I saw an article about runs on Krugerrands the last two weeks in Deutschland.
ted anderson
You know, their output right now, the Krugerrand has put out, it's at a 25-year high and they can't keep up with demand.
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The British sovereigns have been sopped up and taken right out of the marketplace.
ted anderson
The Franks are falling short behind that right now.
The Europeans, who normally don't buy gold, are buying it hands down.
I mean, they can't get enough of it, because they're watching their nations... And we've always talked about this.
alex jones
You've got maybe 1% of the population that buys gold to physically hold it.
It was less than half a percent just two years ago.
It's about to be 2, 3, 4 percent in the West.
It's already more than 50 percent in India or China.
As the yuppies figure out that paper is dangerous, you're not going to be able to find gold, folks.
I mean, it's already happening.
I don't know how to say it, Ted.
I mean, I was telling them seven years ago, at $265 to get into it, are they going to listen now?
ted anderson
Well, I sure hope so.
I mean, if they're sitting in the stock market, bond market, if they have annuities, if they're sitting with money in the bank, I mean, you name it.
Just anything you can think of, even the real estate market, has been incredibly volatile because of all the debt associated to it.
You just simply can't get away from the fact that the United States dollar and foreign currencies are under attack because the central banks that create this money are printing money out of thin air, and it's competing with what we have.
It's going to drive the value down.
That's why people want gold.
I mean, people in India right now are buying gold jewelry like no tomorrow.
And I just need to say, if you're sitting in the stock market, bond market, whatever it is, if you have a paper asset, you better start considering gold and silver, because it's going to be one of the few things that will hold value, including your home.
alex jones
Well, it's like Mark Twain said.
He wasn't interested in a return on his money, but just to be able to keep something.
Again, I'm not getting into gold and silver for an investment.
I'm doing it as an emergency backup, but it is.
Is there any investment, Ted, that's done as well as metals in the last seven years?
ted anderson
Well, not even in the last seven years, and go all the way back to 6,000 years.
The only time that paper investments did well was from about 1980 through about 1999, right in that time frame.
Otherwise, gold and silver has always produced more than the paper investments do.
alex jones
And of course, that 20 years of artificial boom is now designed to sink us as we plunge into world government.
What are your silver half dollars at?
I know that was one of the best deals I heard you do.
ted anderson
Oh, that's a really good buy.
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ted anderson
You just can't beat it.
unidentified
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Okay, I've got some news I want to hit, but I also want to go to your phone calls.
George, Sam, Tim, Charlie, Mike, on a host of issues that folks want to discuss here today in the last hour.
But before I do that, I want to make an announcement.
As you know, for two years, I have been working on a documentary about chemtrails and I have been planning to have it come out sometime in the fall or winter of this year and we are going to do that and it's more than just a chemtrail film it's a Documentary dealing with all the different ways, or some of the main ways, that the establishment is poisoning us.
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And the reason I'm now making the Chemtrail film is in the last two years, government's gone from denying that they're doing these aerosol spray campaigns to admitting it, but putting a spin on it.
And we have lots of footage of Chemtrails.
But, we're going to be done with this in about two months, and it takes a month or so to get it packaged, ready, you know, mastered, completed.
So it should be out in, you know, October or so.
But, making the film, I do want to get some more of the activist in it.
uh... you know with you out there shooting the chemtrails and and you know maybe while you're shooting the chemtrail giving us some of your commentary uh... so that we can show the activist out there uh... that are exposing this or if you get a tour of your fluoride facility And then if you send us the footage with a letter, you know, giving us authorization to use it however we want the film and your number, we can call you about it if you want.
I'm not guaranteeing if you send it to us we'll end up using it.
Whoever shoots video of chemtrails or gets a tour of your water treatment plant and the sodium fluoride, you know, you should upload whatever you do to YouTube as well because, you know, the main goal of this is educating people.
Uh, but, uh, we do want to get more footage of chemtrails versus real contrails.
You can send us both.
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And your name, Billy Bob, in the footage.
Then we can use it.
But more than just chemtrails, because we've got a lot of that, but I also want to be able to show it in different parts of the country and show a map and say this person shot this here, this person shot that there.
If you don't want your name used, put that in the letter, just authorize us to use it.
And again, I'm not saying I can use everything I've sent, but if you've got chemtrail footage you shot, Set up a camera and talk about the footage you're sending us, along with the footage.
Don't send us your originals, because we get so busy, you know, we can't guarantee I'll have the right address.
Send it back, send us a copy, or if you don't want it, you can send us the original.
But let me give you the P.O.
Box.
It's P.O.
Box 19549, Austin, Texas, 78760.
And this film, two years in the making, more than five years of research, We got Ben Livingston, the father of weather weapons.
I never did anything with that footage I shot five years ago.
When it got declassified, how the government could create hurricanes, steer hurricanes, use hurricanes.
The point is, this film covers every angle.
Okay?
And, I mean, the film...
It's well more than half done.
And it's kind of been sitting there on the shelf while I got more material.
And I finally just said, look, I have this problem with obsessing on something and just getting more, more, more, more, more.
Kind of like my JFK film, Five Years in the Making.
I'm going to try to just pound it out.
It's just that I've just got so much.
So this is more than a chemtrail film.
This is a eugenics documentary about so many issues, vaccines, you name it.
And we're covering everything.
This will be the definitive chemtrail film.
But I do want to have... We've already got people from California and Texas and a few other states, but I...
There it is on PrisonPlanet.tv.
They've zoomed in on the wall to where I have the P.O.
Box up there for when I forget the address.
It's Info Wars, P.O.
Box 19549, Austin, Texas 78760.
Please mail it to us as quickly as you can.
Carry a camera around with you, put it on a tripod, get us good footage of the chemtrails, handheld, whatever, and just get it to us, but also make some comments.
And that may end up in the film because I want to show not just Alex Jones talking or the 20 plus people we've interviewed for this.
I want to show you the people.
We the people out there.
And I want footage from Germany.
I want footage from Russia.
I want footage from Japan.
I want footage from Brazil, from Mexico, from England, from Ireland, from Scotland.
I need your help, InfoWarriors.
So P.O.
Box 19549.
Austin, Texas, 78760.
And Dave over at the Alex Jones Channel will also snippet out this little rant and post that for people on the web.
We're going to post this video on InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
I mean, it's an amazing documentary.
And we got incredible chemtrails.
But I just, I really want to show you the activists and have a little of that flavor in there and that's the final thing I need to finish this film.
So I want to thank you in advance for all your support and all the people that have mailed us chemtrail footage.
You know, we didn't mail a lot of great chemtrail footage when I called for this a year ago and two years ago, respectively, but really no one sent me footage of them talking.
Maybe you're nervous.
Well, just aim it at a chemtrail while you talk and say, I'm here in Bakersfield, California, and they're spraying all the time.
We're up on a hilltop.
You know, the shots I really want are cities.
Because I've seen this so many times without a camera.
Like off 360, Austin.
And you'll see a blue sky, and then they start spraying the trails, and it just turns the whole sky into a haze.
And they're spraying them at 5,000 feet.
And the planes go and turn around and go in crisscrosses.
They're not landing.
They're not waiting to land.
I mean, rural areas.
Also, also, send us your photos to robd, r-o-b-d, stands for robdew at InfoWars.com, or jaron.com, jaron at InfoWars.com.
Send us your photos that you took.
Bigger res, better, and with a little note where you took it so we can put on the screen, you know, where this was shot.
Photos are great as well.
Photos you took five years ago.
If you shot video ten years ago, I want to be able to say this is ten years ago in Florida, in Tallahassee.
I mean, dig through it all.
Don't procrastinate.
P.O.
Box 19549 Austin, Texas 78760.
You know, I hate even getting into chemtrails here on air.
Without even going over what it is.
You know, we've got new listeners going, what in tarnations is this guy talking about?
Well, just Google, White House calls for geoengineering planet to save us from global warming.
Then you find out, they go, yes, we've had a secret program and we didn't want to tell you about it.
We've had people, like we paid, you know, so they had money for the hotel and stuff, to send We Are Change to events in California.
Over a year ago, where top globalists admitted, yeah, we've kept the program secret, but now we're telling you we are geoengineering.
I mean, this is powerful stuff.
Yeah, there's the Wall Street Journal.
Team Obama will consider geoengineering to fight climate change, see?
But then when you actually go to the conferences, they admit, oh, well, all the previous stuff was just a giant secret test on all of the continents of the planet.
We got footage of jets flying right beside another jet with no condensation trail versus a trail, or we've got jets at 5,000 feet in the summer where you cannot get ice crystals.
And at 30,000 feet up above them where you're supposed to get them, no ice crystals or real contrails being laid down that are dissipating in seconds versus artificial ones that are up there for hours.
I mean, it's just It's unbelievable the scale of this program that is going on.
And you know, there's facilities out in Arizona.
Just Google Chemtrail Facility, Arizona.
We don't have the money, the time, the energy.
If you want to go shoot footage of that and send it to us, and we've got the photos, send it all to robd at infowars.com.
In fact, Matt, did we create that special email just for me?
Did we ever do that?
Because I asked him two weeks ago to create it.
You know, we'll create one.
Chemtrailsandinfowars.com right now.
Will you call the IT guys in here right now?
Thank you.
Because if I don't do this now, it won't happen.
Chemtrailsandinfowars.com.
Chemtrailsandinfowars.com.
Matt, can I have chemtrailsandinfowars.com?
I just wanted to quickly make a suggestion for that JFK thing because you brought it up.
Awesome.
I know that's short notice.
Okay, I'm done ranting.
I apologize.
I'm out of control.
I'll hit news in the final segment, but let's talk to George in Connecticut.
George, you're on the air.
Welcome.
george in connecticut
Thanks a lot for Alex.
I mean, it's nice to hear a little bit of rationality from the Israeli point of view.
I just wanted to quickly make a suggestion for that JFK thing because you brought it up.
Doug Horn was on Unknown Country with Whitney Streeper.
He's absolutely fantastic.
You have to get him on as a speaker at some point.
He basically was part of some sort of investigative group that was with the military.
alex jones
That definitively went through all the details to show that they were all either fabricated or manipulated or whatever the evidence... Well, Los Alamos Laboratories, three years ago, tested a lone bullet and found it wasn't the same bullet as the fragments and there were no fragments from the lone bullet.
It's all fake.
george in connecticut
Yeah, well, that's exactly what he was getting into, but he goes into meticulous detail, excruciating detail, is what I'm saying.
And you can't shoot his stuff down easily, so Doug Horn is somebody you should hit.
Maybe you know Whitley or you know how to contact him through... Yeah, well somebody give me a pen.
alex jones
Somebody bring me a pen and I had like five of them and I guess I walked out of the room with them.
Doug Horn.
Okay, I mean was he involved in Los... because that was even in like the Dallas Morning News three years ago about the Los Alamos National Laboratories that the Army did the test.
george in connecticut
Yeah, he was the part of the last investigative thing to go over all the material, and even with the brain stuff, he seemed to search that down.
He came up with new details, but he had like a $70 five-volume thing on each piece of detail, so he's probably done more definitive investigation than anybody on this.
alex jones
I'll have to get Jesse Ventura to talk to him, then, because I'm consulting on...
I'm sure he's supposed to come to Austin in the next two weeks, interview some locals with what they're doing with the Threat Fusion Centers and with my breaking of the Mike report.
It's one of the episodes, but I'll have to give him that Doug Horn thing on the JFK thing.
I appreciate your call.
Anything else, George?
george in connecticut
One other thing on the Build-A-Burgers.
Why can't we do something like the South Koreans did a number of, what was it, about a year ago or something like that?
They used something like Twitter.
Where they basically were just fed up with their government bailing out one of their big companies.
They had a couple thousand people and before you know it they kept twittering all over the place until they were millions of people on the floor.
Maybe something like that should be suggested or so how they did it because whenever one of these characters whether it's a politician or Bilderbergers, if we could use what the Koreans did Instead of just a couple hundred people showing up, there'd be tens of thousands showing up and each day growing.
Maybe they'd get the idea to shut this thing down before it gets out of hand.
alex jones
Well, that's a good point.
I appreciate your call.
Look, I mean, it's up to you, the individuals, to make things like that happen.
I know for several years they've had Twitter systems and others where the paparazzi use it to harass movie stars and TV personalities because everybody's on the Twitter in L.A.
going, I've got, you know, Charlie Sheen, get him, he's over here eating.
And that's kind of mean, because Charlie doesn't deserve that.
But for the politicians and the globalists, it certainly is an effective tool to expose them and let them know we're not happy with their criminal activity.
You know, to at least come over there and have a hundred people show up at a restaurant when they're eating and say, we don't like your New World Order, we're not your slaves.
Just to let them know, hey, we know who you are.
But as Brzezinski said, the people are now aware of the fact that we have a world government, and that's a big part of it.
Sam in California, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hey Alex, how you doing?
I know I don't got much time so I'm just gonna quickly start off by saying you're a true patriot and on top of that you are a humanitarian because information is everything and we need to educate everybody we can.
I just recently was fortunate enough to get a link from a friend to your Facebook page And ever since then, I've been listening to you every single day, and I've been trying to call, and I just finally got through today.
alex jones
That's a beautiful story.
I mean, that's how we're reaching more and more people.
Think of unlocking a mind or giving somebody, you know, a great source of a multi-spectrum information.
Because my listeners are activists and are reaching out to people, that's why we're having an effect.
And it's not just this show.
It's a paradigm shift across the board if the people realize that personal contact or Absolutely, you're absolutely right.
unidentified
And I just wanted to quickly touch up on Israel and a few other things, because I myself am a Persian American, I'm Muslim American, and I don't want people lashing out at Jewish people because that's not right and that's not Islam at all.
The thing is, you need to distinguish the difference between Judaism and Zionism.
The Zionists are the ones that control the major state of Israel, and there's actually a group that I just recently found online called Jews United Against Zionism, and these are Jewish rabbis, Orthodox Jews, that do not believe in the state of Israel.
alex jones
It's a neutral party, it's a neutral party, yeah.
unidentified
Absolutely.
alex jones
And this is just one thing that needs to be touched upon, because people are really starting to move towards anti-Semitism, and that's not what is Well, my issue is, though, is that the brand of Zionism with blockades of Gaza and doing all those horrible things is really bad and I'm against it.
But then there's... I think it's terms.
When people use a term like Zionist, well, I mean, there's so many, like, Christians who want the end of the world to happen in Israel.
They call themselves Christian Zionists.
So I think that's where these terms confuse people.
unidentified
Great, they do.
And, you know, these are things that we need to distinguish the difference between, because the last thing we need is misinformed people starting, you know, controversy that we don't need.
Because we have bigger problems, like the Bilderberg Group and these elites who seek to control our world, our way of life, our way of thought.
And that's the true terrorism.
That's what we need to fight, is the fact that they go on the news And spread their propaganda to basically manifest fear in people.
So when they come out with these outrageous plans to have carbon taxes and this and that, we can't stand for that.
And you know what?
Information is everything.
You're doing the right thing and I'm going to do my part.
I'm going to take footage of Chemtrails.
I've been telling every person that I come in contact with about you and your show.
And that's just what I'm trying to do.
I'm 26 years old.
I'm a different demographic.
And me and my friends, we've been buying respiration gear and biochemical suits.
We've been buying everything we could, gold, everything, because we actually do think these elite are going to try something absurd, like martial law.
And, you know, I just can't see that happening.
alex jones
Well, I mean, it's an incremental martial law, where they put you through naked body scanners and then admit they're recording your genitals and laughing at you.
That's martial law.
Or when the IRS takes your house, or when cities are taking houses for $360 water bills, that's martial law.
When the government's saying that they may take your pension funds, that's martial law.
When police are beating up people for videotaping them, that's martial law.
And so incrementally, we are going into this.
I'm gonna hit a few news articles and a few more calls on the other side from Charlie, John, Sean, and others.
Stay with us.
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alex jones
Well, a couple weeks ago, prominent members of Chicago society, 80 plus years old, were being robbed at weapon point.
So they defended themselves with firearms.
And I said, watch, they're probably going to be indicted.
And the Mob Boss Daily is moving to have them indicted.
A Korean war vet in Chicago in the last few days used a firearm to shoot and kill a long time felon who was benefited from the catch and release program and he was breaking in to the home and attacking the guy's wife so he shot him and Mayor Daley is basically calling him scum.
Just like a reporter a few weeks ago talked about the Second Amendment and how there's no right to own guns in Chicago because they have a higher crime rate.
And Daley went crazy and said, I will shove a gun up your... and I will, you know, I'll blow you away.
I mean, he's just like a wild animal.
unidentified
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alex jones
I'm gonna get your guns!
I own you!
unidentified
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alex jones
I mean, that's just who these people are.
Bloomberg, all of them.
New law will require a license to be a journalist.
That's all over the news.
Calls increase for government to regulate internet journalists and bloggers.
Liberal coalition demands FCC move to shut down talk radio.
I mean this is like, this is all over the news.
This is mainstream news this is going on.
Here's some good news though.
They demonized Rand Paul.
Said he was basically Adolf Hitler.
What happened?
It was all lies.
His approval rating and his polls went up!
Went up!
So that's the good news.
People are not buying the propaganda anymore.
And that article is at GCN Live, just GCNLive.com by Paul Watson.
Rand Paul extends lead over Conway despite racism smear.
Get this out to everybody.
Send it to the media and say, you're out of bullets.
No one believes you anymore.
When you demonize someone, people go, oh, I better vote for him.
Charlie in New York, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Pleasure to talk to you, Alex.
Long time listener, first time caller.
Welcome.
Very brief, we're running out of time.
Like yourself, I always like to get my information correct.
I'm sorry I missed Victor when he was on, but I have a statement from a Dr. Alan Soborski.
He's a former director of Strategic Studies Institute, U.S.
Army War College.
He states in a one-line statement, it is 100% certain 9-11 was a Mossad operation.
He's an impeccable source, and I think he has access to intelligence that you and I could only dream of having.
alex jones
Who is that again?
unidentified
Dr. Alan Ceborski.
S-A-B-R-O-S-K-Y.
alex jones
My only issue is I had Alan Hart on earlier, former top BBC reporter, and he said, well, I think the Arabs are going to attack us, and Israel knew and basically piggybacked.
And from my research, you know, NORAD was ordered to stand down.
Cheney, in front of the Transportation Secretary in the bunker, said the order still stands for the stand down.
The U.S.
embassies were ordered to let the guys in.
They were trained at military bases.
They thought they were taking part in a drill.
And I know it's all kind of cause celeb and trendy to say Israel did it.
I understand that.
I'm not saying Israel doesn't do false flags.
And there were a lot of neocons involved in 9-11 that are, you know, really Israeli agents.
But to say just Israel did it, I like Tarpley's detailed analysis, Charlie.
And that explains how they have mole, rogue networks in all the major Western intelligence agencies.
It's kind of like the Mujahideen had Pakistani, Israeli, U.S.
and British support.
And over and over again, they... I'm just saying there's multi-heads of the Hydra.
People say, no, it's a one-headed dragon.
Well, I mean, you know... My research shows multi-headed dragon.
I mean, what do you say to that?
unidentified
I believe there are others that are complicit in this operation.
It just wasn't one-sided.
I want to touch on one other thing, and then I'm going to let others get through.
As far as your chemtrails spraying, with the chemicals that we're all being exposed to, there's a product out there that will get rid of all of these toxins in our air.
alex jones
Well, unfortunately, we're out of time.
So we won't have time to get others through.
Mike, John, Sean, James, calling back to Montgomery.
Stay ahead of the line if you tell folks you were on hold.
Great job, crew.
Retransmission starts now.
We have news from Bilderberg.
Stay with us, InfoWars.com.
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Thank you for listening to GCN.
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