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Because there's a war on for your mind.
alex jones
Well, the eighth anniversary of the tragic staged terror attacks of 9-11 is approaching.
The eighth anniversary, I would just remind people that we were called conspiracy theorists just three years ago for saying the Gulf of Tonkin was staged.
It's now declassified that those were staged attacks on our ships.
To blame it, Uh, on the Vietnamese to start the Vietnam War that killed over a million and a half Vietnamese and over 58,000 Americans, injuring over 200,000 Americans.
I just want to point out Operation Ajax, staged terror attacks that were blamed on the government of Iran, is declassified at the CIA's own history section.
I just want to point out that it's now been declassified by the NSA that the USS Liberty attack was staged to be blamed on Egypt.
That came out years after many people exposed it, long before I was on the scene it was exposed, 20-something, 30 years ago.
Well, that happened in 67, but it was exposed from day one.
That's now come out.
Operation Northwoods has been declassified.
The U.S.
government planned to bomb U.S.
cities and crash jets and blame it on foreign enemies.
That's been declassified.
And Army Field Manual from 2004 has been declassified where it talks about how to stage false flag terror attacks.
It's come out that six of the ten 9-11 Commission members even told the Washington Post that the 9-11 Commission was a fraud and a lie and a cover-up and needed to be criminally investigated.
It's even been in the news but never gets any traction, never becomes a big issue.
We can't just sit here idly by and let all this continue.
So my point is, you're crazy to not know about the history of government-sponsored terror.
You're crazy to not know about all the cases out there where Hitler firebombed his own Reichstag on February 27th to get police state going in Germany.
Or how Stalin staged terror attacks.
Or how the Tsarist, one of their favorite tactics was to stage terror attacks and blame it on their enemies.
Or how British intelligence has now been declassified and caught staging many of the IRA bombings.
Some were real.
Or, Haaretz and Jerusalem Post admit that, quote, Israel headline created fake Al-Qaeda groups.
Every time there was about to be a peace deal.
There is, of course, real terrorism in Israel going on, and it's terrible.
But the point is, Israeli papers admit the government's been caught staging it at key points.
That's what we're talking about here.
And then you look at the science.
The establishment likes to do these hit pieces on the science because they know the general public aren't architects or engineers or physicists or underwriting laboratories people like Kevin Ryan.
They can shoot a missile into a chicken coop and say it would have blown the Pentagon up.
They can show you a three-story building and say if we would have blown it up we would have found debt court.
I mean, they can do so many little things, little gimmicks, or say we're crazy and just want to believe this, when the history that we have is a continual chain of staged terror attacks.
Now, on the Charlie Sheen issue, and we're going to Richard Gage, this is less than 24 hours after the media picked this up.
They picked it up first in the afternoon yesterday.
At about 4 o'clock, we saw the first mainstream news stories.
Now, 20 hours into this, or 21 hours into this, Fox News.
Charlie Sheen seeks meeting with Obama to discuss 9-1-1 cover-up.
Look at this story out of E!
Entertainment.
Front page.
Charlie Sheen, the truther, teaches Obama about 9-11.
U.S.
News & World Report.
Charlie Sheen joins the truther, 9-1-1 conspiracy theory fringe.
Fact piece.
L.A.
Times.
Top of the ticket section.
Top political news.
Breaking.
Charlie Sheen demands Obama meeting on 9-1-1 cover-up.
Here's another one.
Charlie Sheen, Fantasy 9-1-1 Truth, or Grilling of the President.
Gawker.
I mean, it just goes on and on.
President Obama, Charlie Sheen, Van Jones, the 9-1-1 Truth Movement.
This is out of Associated Content.
And it goes on and on.
Here's one.
I mean, there's just so many of these.
The Houston Chronicle.
It's just, there's just too many to cover them all.
Very, very exciting.
That's why Charlie wrote the letter about a meeting with the President, so that it would become a big issue of him wanting to actually meet with the President.
That's what he talked about earlier when he was live on the show, in the tape interview we just aired.
That's the whole point of what we're doing.
Okay?
Is to get people to look at those 20 points in the 20 questions for the President.
And it was all Charlie's idea.
Every bit of it was done exactly the way he wanted.
And it was a genius idea.
Even a brilliant idea.
Even people criticizing him and don't agree with 9-11 Truth are saying it was very well written.
So, it's very exciting.
Let's go to Richard Gage.
Richard, I appreciate you coming on.
First off, the Charlie's scene situation.
What's your take on it?
richard gage
Yeah, but we need people in the entertainment world, in Hollywood, talking about 9-11 truth.
And Charlie began this, what, four years ago?
Five years ago?
alex jones
Three and a half, yeah.
richard gage
Three and a half.
He took so much heat for this that he had to back off until there was more support at a grassroots level.
And we've got that now.
We've got 830 architects and engineers backing him up, saying, yes, these buildings came down by explosive-controlled demolition.
So with all of this support and others, of course, across the 9-11 Truth Movement, Supporting him, he can come out and make a splash now, and maybe it's time, Alex, and you've really supported him and given him a vehicle for this expression of coming out of the closet again and building truth.
This is what has to happen.
And it has to happen with Willie Nelson and Jesse Ventura and others who have kind of squeaked a little bit here and there, but now it's time, isn't it?
alex jones
Well it certainly is, my friend.
So much is going on, so much is happening right now.
Let's get into, there's several new hit pieces for Discovery Channel and History Channel and A&E that are being made.
PBS is making another hit piece the British have made.
Six in the last year and a half that I know of.
Just absolutely ridiculous.
All of that is going on and happening.
And then at the same time, we have this latest big budget.
And I was reading it was funded by Dubai, our foreign country.
With this really shoddy hour-long special that spends a half of it on our psychology.
And they played all sorts of little tricks with the camera.
All sorts of things they did.
The way they always made it your opinion.
We talked Sunday, but I want you to recap and expand on that.
How you gave them all the evidence, all the facts, and they would never allow that to be shown in the show.
I mean, really!
Outrageous.
But I think it's backfiring on them.
And it was made by a famous production house that specializes just in hit pieces and quote, debunking conspiracy theorists.
I mean, they do piece after piece creative differences who I've refused to be interviewed by at a JFK piece in 9-11.
So break it down for us.
as an architect, as an engineer who's built major structures, who has 800 architects and engineers and thousands of other students who are becoming engineers and architects on your team, but 800 plus, and break it down as the founder of Architects and Engineers, Final Love and Truth.
richard gage
Well, we've been speaking all across the country now for three years.
And I think that's a good question.
We've had over 110 presentations to thousands and thousands of people.
We've toured Europe with nine cities in Europe, and next month we're going to Japan, Australia, and New Zealand for November.
The key senator, Senator Yukihisa Fujita, whose party just won, took over their government basically.
It was a minority party.
This party is transforming Japan right now.
It's kind of like the revolution we had the change we had from the Democrats to the Republicans.
Excuse me, Republicans to Democrats.
So he's bringing us to Tokyo and Kyoto.
He'll introduce us.
I mean, this is a huge opportunity for the 9-11 truth movement because he himself has been traveling around the world talking about 9-11 truth.
And so we're very excited to speak in 14 different cities all together in Japan, Australia.
alex jones
And let me just throw a caveat in.
As of a year ago when he first went public and we interviewed him here as well and he's since traveled to New York and other major cities of the world, he was the number three person in his party in the diet.
Now his party.
for after decades and decades out of power is now in power and as you said the president of his party is now the president of the country so we need to go look at the power structure but I believe he's number two now in the Japanese government is a 9-11 truther who shows Clips and clips of your films and clips of Professor Stephen Jones repeatedly in the Diet, in their Congress.
I mean, this is all over Japanese TV.
They came and interviewed me many times.
But I mean, this is incredible!
richard gage
I'm excited about it too, and we get to go there and be right in the middle of it and learn a whole lot more about it.
In fact, they're booking the Diet itself, the governmental body, the building, we're going to be speaking there.
That's the plan at this point.
Not to their government, but having the public come to that place.
alex jones
Unbelievable.
So that would be like having a huge 9-11 truth investigation in the House or in the Senate.
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Yeah!
richard gage
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, that's pretty exciting.
So we'll try to put something very special together for that.
Last night, I had the opportunity to speak to a packed house of 200 at the Commonwealth Club of California.
We webcast this live.
We had 435 people listening live also from home on their computers, and I had 40 minutes to present all of the evidence, which, by the way, I very carefully laid out before Robert Erickson of Creative Differences, who was the I very carefully laid out before Robert Erickson of Creative Differences, who was the producer for this National Geographic entertainment piece, we call it, that many people have had
And we'll be talking about how they go about distorting what we have to say.
But it's very important that people understand that I spent an hour with him highlighting the evidence of the free-fall acceleration of World Trade Center 7 in the pools of molten iron that are found underneath it in the Twin Towers.
And all of this evidence, the massive expulsion of perimeter wall sections, 600 feet at 70 miles an hour, instant acceleration out of the side of the Twin Towers, no floors found at the bottom of the Twin Towers, pulverized concrete, 90,000 tons of it.
alex jones
Richard, we've got a break here in about 15 seconds.
Stay there.
We're going to come back.
because you talked about this Sunday, but a lot of people didn't hear it, about this guy being a big liar.
So directly from Richard Gage, you're going to hear what happened when we get back after this quick break.
Stay with us.
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alex jones
They came and took it all away.
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They came and took it all away.
alex jones
Look at all these articles for people watching at PrisonPlanet.tv.
LA Times.
Fox News.
Reuters.
Houston Chronicle.
Breaking, Charlie Sheen demands Obama meeting on 9-1-1 cover-up.
Again, if he just came out for 9-1-1 Truth again, there wouldn't be as much attention.
But if he comes out and wants to talk to Obama, it ignites massive debate.
That was his idea, and it's much bigger than the last time he went public.
24 hours into this, it is just exploding.
Very, very exciting.
Going back to Richard Gage, because I have this article here, Richard, I want to get back into the science, and this guy promising he'd put your science and your evidence in the film, and even showing you a rough cut that did have it, and saying that was the cut.
But have you seen where the federal government is going to indoctrinate kids on 9-11 and how the Police State and Patriot Act are good as part of 9-11 federally funded courses in the public schools?
richard gage
No, I'm not aware of that, Alex.
alex jones
We're going to cover that later.
We'll continue.
So recap.
Creative Differences, the production company that did the piece for National Geographic TV, the hit piece.
First they said it wasn't a hit piece, it was going to be fair.
They promised they'd show your science.
Continue.
richard gage
Well, yeah, they brought us down for the first interview, and I just mentioned before the break that we carefully laid out all of this information for them, and they're asking very intelligent questions, and they're nodding, and he was aware that we were telling the truth, and he was very impressed by it.
I have to tell you that.
This guy knows what's going on.
This is not some kind of unconscious skepticism or something.
So four months later, we're invited back because he wants to show us the rough cut because he has had criticism in the past where he felt, he said people have thought that their interviews he said people have thought that their interviews were taken out of context and so forth.
So he brings us back, and actually, I'm watching myself in the rough cut with all this evidence, and I'm delighted, because, you know, we're talking about molten metal.
We're talking about nanothermite chips found in the dust.
Very high-tech stuff, not made in a cave in Afghanistan.
I think your next hour's guest, Steve Jones, will be talking in detail about that.
But I told him about the small, previously molten iron spheres the size of a human hair that are found in all the dust samples ignited thermite by chemical analysis.
Anyway, all of this was in there.
We're delighted, right?
And then he brings out these experiments that he's done.
Emertech, who's really nothing more than a defense contractor at New Mexico, because they're like Lawrence Livermore Lab or something.
All of their money comes from defense.
alex jones
They're on the government payroll!
richard gage
That's for sure.
And so they have these three experiments.
They never talked to us about what experiments they might be doing.
They didn't get our input at all.
We're just watching these experiments.
alex jones
So they lure you back to see the rough cut and it's these experiments?
richard gage
Then we see the rough cut, and we're delighted with what we were shown of ourselves, and then these experiments come on, and we're going, what the heck is this?
alex jones
And by the way, they're videotaping your response.
They're like, come see the rough cut.
Now come in here.
We want to show you some other clips.
I mean, is that how this happened?
And then really they're videotaping you?
richard gage
Yes, and the intent was not that they were going to use our responses in the final version.
The intent was that What did he say?
We just want a record that you're happy with what you saw, basically.
So this is a manipulation, clearly.
And I have to tell you, this thermite experiment, for instance, where they put this 8-inch tall I-beam across 500 gallons of jet fuel and light it and put a 3,000-pound where they put this 8-inch tall I-beam across 500 gallons of
load in the middle of this I-beam, and we have in a couple of minutes temperatures rising very high and causing the failure of this beam.
Well, first of all, have they talked to us?
And even if they didn't talk to us, they should have known that NIST, in their investigation, hired Underwriter Laboratories to develop An exact replica of the floor truss system with a composite deck of concrete and metal decking.
And they had under laboratory conditions, ASTM E-119 is the test number.
They put 2,000 degrees of fire under the truss and twice the known amount of loading on top of the floor system.
alex jones
Stay there.
This is scientific.
I don't want to interrupt this.
Yes, the underwriting laboratories found it wouldn't happen.
But see, one of their members goes public, releasing their report.
They fire him.
That's Kevin Ryan.
Stay there.
We're going to come right back with architect and engineer Richard Gage.
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alex jones
Okay, Richard Gage, Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth's founder.
We got broken up by a couple breaks there.
Recap what happened with the production company, with the television piece that just aired last week on the National Geographic Channel, and then conclude in summary exactly what you're saying here, and then I have the question to ask.
After you're done.
richard gage
Okay.
So, we have missed hiring Underwriter Laboratories to create this mock section, and they tested it according to very scientific, well, time-honored tests, and it did not fail.
They had three different versions of this thing.
It sagged only three inches.
It did not fail.
NIST, of course, in turn threw that test out and claims a 42-inch SAG, by the way, to justify their column failure theory, which they needed in order to get Larry Silverstein his $5.68 billion.
But the point is that instead of doing something scientific like this, we have National Geographic, Robert Erickson of Creative Differences, hiring Emertech, a defense contractor, to show everybody, theoretically, how this to show everybody, theoretically, how this building obviously fell apart.
Well, first of all, they don't have 8-inch I-beams in the building.
They have floor trusses.
Uh, which certainly doesn't relate to any of the massive core columns in the building.
We didn't have 500 gallons of jet fuel sitting there underneath anything.
90% of that jet fuel was expelled and exploded outside the building.
The rest burned up, according to the official story, in just 10 minutes.
So all the jet fuel did was ignite a normal office fire, whose temperatures don't get to be above 12 or 1400 degrees.
And even then there's no evidence for temperatures over 500 or 600 degrees in the towers.
So, this whole thing from start to finish is just ludicrous.
And this, by the way, this I-beam is not interconnected with several other beams like in a normal office building where the heat is conducted away from the heat source throughout the columns and beams in the building, which is really the reason why we never have had a steel frame high-rise building collapse due to fire because of this incredible conduction ability and interconnectedness.
It's a huge heat sink.
This experiment and the other ones were set up to fail and manipulate the American people into thinking that this is science versus, obviously, these architects and engineers who are simply conspiracy theorists.
But last night at the Commonwealth Club, we carefully laid out all this evidence, and he said, OK, at the end, which side is conspiracy and which side is science?
So we have a show of hands.
Guess what?
90% of the 60 people who were either believers of the official theory beforehand or who were unsure, 90% of those 60 people were convinced of the evidence for explosive control.
alex jones
OK, to be clear, you've got 200 people.
At this meeting, I guess you asked before who believes the official story, who doesn't.
You're saying that's how you know it was 60 people?
That's right.
Okay, so they raised their hands, 60 saying, I believe the official story that 19 guys coordinated from caves in Afghanistan did this.
Okay, great.
And then at the end of it, you're saying 90% of those 60 people now believe the engineering, now believed your information.
richard gage
Yes, and the numbers are 20 and 40, so that there's 20 people believing the official story before, 40 who were unsure, but 90% of those totaling 60 believed in the explosive control demolition theory afterward.
And it's like that at every presentation, Alex.
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90%!
alex jones
And you get most of these presentations, correct me if I'm wrong, to architects and engineer groups.
richard gage
Well, not mostly.
No, we do visit local architecture and engineering groups, and generally... Well, that's what I meant.
alex jones
You said you've made a whole mission out of... I mean, how many architects and engineer groups have you talked to?
richard gage
There's been about a dozen now.
alex jones
Okay, well, what happens when you go to those?
richard gage
Oh, it's fascinating, because you get people who, first of all, most of them know nothing about the third worst structural failure in modern history, building seven 47-story skyscraper collapses to its own footprint in six and a half seconds, and their jaws drop.
alex jones
And by the way, NIST had always said freefall didn't happen, but then they were forced now to go ahead and say, okay, there was freefall involved.
And they've given five, six different stories and had to recant their previous reasons that Building 7 collapsed in their own NIST reports.
I'd like you to speak to that.
And even National Geographic on the eve of this newest hit piece said, oh, our last Reasons for the towers collapsing with Pancake.
We were wrong about that, but now we've got a new idea.
So they're the one, because they say in the piece their story's never changed, the government story's never changed.
But in truth, their story continually changes.
richard gage
Oh yeah, yeah.
It's always changing.
In fact, they wouldn't have changed if it weren't for members of AEN11Truth, David Chandler, a physicist, and Stephen Jones calling them publicly on their press conference.
And they had to.
They were forced into a corner.
Now they have to admit that the 100 feet of this building, its drop, was in free fall.
That's crushing 40,000 tons of structural steel at the same rate that a brick is falling off the building.
It can't happen.
And everybody knows that.
And every architect and engineer we talk to knows that.
So they end up signing our petition saying, yeah, let's get a real investigation.
alex jones
Okay, I want to go back for a moment, and we'll continue going over this, debunking them.
The maker of the television show, who I've talked to on the phone, he's always trying to get me involved in these shows, there's several shows, a JFK and a 9-11, and I tell this production company, no, I know you're deceptive, you're known as the most manipulative out there, that this is your specialty, and the guy laughs.
I'm your friend!
No, I want to show your side!
And the JFK thing comes out, and it's a total fraud, the most skewed to the official story I've ever seen.
And so that's why when I was warning you, I was saying, Richard, this is, you know, months ago, when you were doing the interviews, I said, this is not a friendly piece.
You said, no, he's listening.
He says it's going to be in there.
He promises.
Have you talked to him?
Which you now say that, you know, that you clearly, that he lied to you.
The question here is, are you going to put a public statement out on him?
Are you going to, have you called him?
Have you talked to him?
richard gage
Interestingly enough, he has sent us the transcript for both of these interviews.
So it's clear that we have the evidence that he had all of the evidence.
alex jones
You need to post that.
You need to post that.
In fact, I'd post the whole transcript.
He'll claim you edited it.
I would post that and then let everybody write about it to show he's going, oh, I promised this would be in there.
Oh, I mean, just unbelievable.
richard gage
Oh, totally.
alex jones
When are you going to put that out then?
richard gage
We'll get it out within a week.
alex jones
Good, good.
richard gage
Well, I'm going to be in New York for the whole next week, by the way.
We'll be at Ground Zero.
Hopefully, you'll be there in the morning.
alex jones
Unfortunately, I can't.
I've got a bunch of stuff I'm working on here with the Charlie Sheen developments.
unidentified
Yeah.
richard gage
Well, I'll take your place, Alex.
I'll be out there talking to people.
There'll be a lot of cameras.
unidentified
Good, good.
alex jones
You're a great leader in this fight.
Yeah, no, I'm finishing my film, Fall of the Republic, in the next week and a half, and I am working on just absolutely piles of work, but I would love to be there with you.
richard gage
Ah, well, I'll be at the two conferences there, the We Demand Transparency conference at St.
Mark's and the Bowery, the 11th and the 12th.
And then Real Change Conference, the 11th and the 12th also.
Luke Rutkowski's We Are Change group is having some great speakers as well.
So I encourage everybody to come out to New York who can and support us and support these incredible truthers who have given so much to wake up the American people.
alex jones
Well, they have.
Now, run through some other bullet points.
I mean, you were trying, we went to break, also getting into underwriting laboratories, has this internal report where in the underwriting they tested fire making the building fall.
It had to be a special building, because FEMA and the command centers were there.
They went in and even added more strength.
This super building, CIA, Defense Intelligence, IRS, Army, FBI.
The whole thing's the second biggest CIA compound outside of Langley in the U.S., they admit.
And then magically it falls in its own footprint.
You brought that information about underwriting laboratories to them, but they don't care.
They went and got a steel of unknown strength, an alloy, put a big weight over it, with the white tips of the flame, the very hottest part, hitting on it long-wise.
Just amazing.
richard gage
Yeah, and obviously it's going to fail with 3,000 pound point load right in the center span of the beam.
It's designed to fail.
It's designed to show.
So when it does fail, I can imagine half of the public watching goes, oh, that's what happened to the World Trade Center.
I see it failing.
It's like sheep, you know.
alex jones
But the fires had almost completely burned out.
There were people in the holes waving for help seconds before they just shatter and the building just, you know, just it's it's it's unbelievable.
It's like watching a volcano explode and saying there was no pressure underneath it.
richard gage
In the South Tower, the fires were going out after only 56 minutes.
alex jones
According to the fire department.
According to the fire department.
richard gage
Yeah, well, Oreo Palmer had reached the 78th floor and he says there's two isolated pockets of fire.
We can put it out with two lines.
And ten minutes later, the 101st responders are witnessing and documenting in their oral recordings sounds of explosions and flashes of light at the onset of the collapses, like a belt wrapping all the way around the building.
alex jones
It was as if they had detonators!
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom!
richard gage
Yeah, that's a quote from the fireman.
And we have news reporters on the ground 2,000 feet away from this ducking from the incredible sounds of explosions, which we don't hear on any of the reports.
They systematically take out the sounds of explosions, but there's Well over a couple of hundred witnesses talking about these incredible explosions and then debris flying everywhere out of the sides of the Twin Towers.
As I mentioned, 600 feet flying laterally at 50 to 70 miles an hour.
And so, this is a gravitational collapse.
We would expect to see 110 floors stacked up at the bottom of each of these buildings.
Guess how many floors we see at the bottom?
And the photographs, the videos, none!
They're all gone.
They've been pulverized and distributed laterally outside the building's footprint.
This is supposed to be a gravitational collapse.
We should have 20 to 40 stories high of floors sitting down there.
Where are they?
They're gone.
So this is a huge problem for the official story as well.
Well, so I explained very carefully to National Geographic what FEMA found and what FEMA documented in their Appendix C of their May of 2002 DPAT report.
Steel.
Two steel samples.
By the way, the only two steel samples saved from Building 7.
But these two steel samples, they document intergranular melting, rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and even evaporation of the ends of these beams.
The firemen have never seen this before.
So how did this happen?
And so they conclude, FEMA, that their best hypothesis as to how this building came down has only a low probability of occurrence.
Well, what was that hypothesis?
Fire!
And some damage from the beams of the World Trade Center north tower when it went down earlier that morning.
So what happens to this entire... Oh, further research investigation is necessary.
But unfortunately, though, for those hoping to resolve the issue, all of that steel has been recycled to China, and FEMA had ordered the recycling of that steel.
They deny this, but those who do this research end up citing FEMA for giving these orders.
So, they didn't save the steel.
You always save the steel in any kind of a collapse so you can thoroughly understand exactly what happened.
Now, this takes over the investigation after May of 2002.
What did they do with this Appendix C documenting the melting of steel?
They throw it out.
It is not in the final report at all in the World Trade Center 7 that came out in November of just last year, seven years later.
So, they've basically, systematically destroyed even more evidence.
They do not want us to know about molten metal or melting of steel.
In fact, John Gross denies the pools of molten iron, as it turns out to be.
Stephen Jones and others analyze it, turns out to be molten iron.
alex jones
And we have all the videos of the firefighters saying it was like a...
Foundry with molten metal running everywhere.
We could play the clips, but they're cussing, including fire captains.
But, I mean, it was just everywhere.
richard gage
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
And there's dozens and dozens of witnesses.
There's photographs.
alex jones
It's all in my film Terror Storm, a history of government-sponsored terrorism.
The people really need to get it at InfoWars.com.
It goes through the whole history of this and the modern events, and that's how you really wake somebody up.
I understand you're an engineer, you're an architect.
That's an important area of research.
richard gage
I saw it and I was very impressed by Terror Storm.
alex jones
My point is that though there's the other angle where we all see the science in it.
Well thank you Richard.
We go at the history of it that they've done this over and over again and that helps people get past not imagining that government would do this.
Government isn't like the rest of people.
I'm sorry go ahead.
richard gage
Yeah, it's disturbing because, you know, all of this evidence is clear.
As I mentioned to 90% of the people I talk to, they end up agreeing with us and signing our petition.
But they say, well, what do we do now?
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And I'm going, well, we're architecture engineers.
richard gage
We can carry you this far.
We can give you the evidence that the media, the government, has not given you.
You can see for yourself that this points to something other than some kind of Al-Qaeda attack.
You have got to do the research, and TerrorStorm provides an excellent background as to how these things have been systematic, as you mentioned earlier, with governments inciting wars for profit and control.
But they want to know, well, how do we talk to people?
Because this is a psychological problem for every American.
alex jones
Well, it is.
Richard, we're almost out of time.
I want you to be able to finish that last point.
But again, have you talked to the maker?
You've got the transcript, but have you tried to call the guy and say, you lied to me?
Or is he taking your phone calls?
richard gage
No, he'll talk to me.
We've emailed a couple of times.
I have not presented him with a major confrontation at all.
I'm trying to put my ducks in a row, and now I'm packing up for New York.
It's going to be very difficult.
It's going to take a little bit of time, Alex.
alex jones
I understand.
Next week you're going to get back, focus on it, have a plan, and then come out with it.
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Who they're dealing with.
I mean, I did some research on them.
I was like, no way am I talking to you guys.
Because I've been around similar people.
When I had the History Channel people here, I knew it was a hit piece.
But when they were, they said, oh, this is fair and we like you.
At the end, they just laughed at me in a parking lot.
And I had the British crew say they were being fair.
And at the end, we went to a Chinese food restaurant and they wrote on a fortune cookie as a joke.
They said, here, open this one.
It's yours at P.F.
Chang's.
And it said, you're dead.
With another British crew, and then I said, is this a joke?
And they said, whatever, we don't like you, and got up and left.
I mean, which is like, they wanted me at the end to know, look, we punked you, we're nasty, we're black ops!
And we love the New World Orders.
That's basically what it was.
Richard, stay there.
I want to say bye to you on the other side.
We've got some events coming up.
I'm going to get into this world government news.
Then Professor Stephen Jones is coming up.
So much is happening.
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News and World Report has the meanest hit piece I've seen by Peter Roth.
I want to try to get him on.
We have the former German defense minister.
We have one of the top people in the Japanese government.
What is he, number two or three?
We have all these scientists, all these engineers, all these physicists, all these military people.
All these firefighters and police, the majority of the victims' family groups, we've had them on the show.
The heads of the groups saying the majority of our members, at least half or more, believe it's an inside job.
That was three years ago.
We have a New York Times poll, 94% believe the government's lying about 9-11.
Charlie Sheen, three years ago on CNN, 83% in their poll agreed that there was a cover-up.
We're the majority.
And you have this tiny cabal trying to make us feel like we're bad, we're stupid, we're evil.
And when Charlie had this idea for 20 minutes with the President, I had no idea how big it was going to get this quick.
I mean, it's just, it's just off the charts.
I mean, we're talking 24 hours into this, and it is just everywhere.
And Charlie, again, is focused.
He has to, you know, contractual agreements.
He wants to focus on his TV show.
They do the rehearsal tonight, shoot it tomorrow, air it Monday.
Two and a half men.
But next week, he's taking time out Friday to be here, and I've asked him, I said, go ahead and do TV now, but he wants to focus and try to do that.
He may do some stuff on the set, he's not sure if he can duck away on TV.
I've told him, go for it.
National TV is in the works, and a lot of other stuff, and some other things behind the scenes that I don't even want to get into.
I'll let Charlie talk about it on Friday if he wants to, but God, he's got a lot of courage.
Man, this is real.
I can't believe I'm going up against these people.
But I mean, you can't back off when you know they're murderers and did this.
Richard Gage, in closing, you're going to be in New York speaking twice.
People can find out more at Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
What's the best website?
richard gage
Yeah, it's AE911Truth.org.
Stands for Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
AE911Truth.org.
And I think, by the way, Alex, National Geographic did us a favor.
That hit face was so bad that even thinking people will see the major, obvious attempt to slander the truth movement and actually look at us and find out what the heck's going on.
alex jones
And that weird woman's voice, that weird woman's voice going, truth is... Then when she talked about the other people, she had a normal tone.
And it was like a snake voiced it or something.
And it's just an absolute travesty.
Do me a favor, I'm gonna let you go, Mr. Gage, we appreciate your time.
Contact me in a week or so, when you're ready to release those transcripts of what really happened in the interviews, where he's promising he's gonna put that out.
I'd like to have you on the air to expose that, to just show the deception.
God bless you, my friend.
richard gage
Thank you, Alex.
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Thanks.
richard gage
I'll see you on the road.
alex jones
All right.
Amazing individual, Richard Gage.
We appreciate him coming on with us.
A lot of courage.
Been through a lot that he doesn't talk about.
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I haven't really even thanked any of my sponsors today.
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So much happening.
For those that don't know, we had Charlie Sheen live on today with us.
We also aired that 21-minute interview I did a few weeks ago at his home.
A video interview I did with him is going to be airing tomorrow, and he'll be live with us on the air again Friday for 9-11.
And he's going public for the 9-11 families who've called for a new investigation, for the six 9-11 Commission members of the ten that come out and say it's a fraud, a lie, a hoax.
We're doing this because we want to get the truth out and want our children to live in a free country and a free society.
Hitler used staged terror to get control.
Stalin and Lenin did it to expand control.
Mao did it.
The Tsars did it.
So many other governments do it and the criminals running our nation are doing it.
And people need to face those facts and demand the truth.
Professor Stephen Jones is going to be coming on in about 30-35 minutes, and I am going to hit all this World Bank, World Government news.
Let me just hit on some of it now, but I want to be honest.
I want to dig into my stack from yesterday that was taken off my table, which is good.
The guys clean up my pigsty in here.
It gets really messy, but I had a bunch of articles in my stack.
Oh, here's yesterday's stack, where they're openly announcing Argentine-style collapse for the United States.
And where all of this is coming out, and so I'm going to go over that, and when Professor Jones leaves us, I'm going to cover that in great detail.
But, I mean, here's one from today.
A year after financial crisis, a new world order emerges.
And then here's another one.
Obama to seal U.S.-U.N.
relationship, the first U.S.
president to be a president, and the head of the International Security Council.
And he's also the head of the National Security Council here that runs the FEMA camps, Homeland Security, the 400,000 troops the Army openly says they're going to put on the streets of America.
They're doing acclimation drills everywhere, running checkpoints for PR things that they think the public will buy, helping people at car wrecks with the jaws of life, searching people for alcohol and drugs.
Totally illegal!
Regular Army, regular Marines, confirmed.
I mean, the establishment really wants to take over so they can loot and rob the country.
It's like when a bank robber comes in and says, hands up.
Tells the security guard, drop your gun.
Put your hands up.
I mean, they want our guns.
They're saying, hands up.
They've introduced the bills to do it.
They're saying, hands up with the Army.
The good news is the Army's full of a lot of good, awake people.
Yeah, in many respects.
So they're hiring a lot of illegal aliens and foreigners and criminals.
Now, that's pretty scary.
It's kind of like what the government did shipping in the drugs in the 70s and 80s in Miami.
I was watching a documentary, Cocaine Cowboys, about that jogging on the treadmill this morning.
And it had everything I already knew, but there it was in video with the police saying it, admitting it.
And because of the crime wave, they then got rid of all the rules.
Police could be drug users.
And be on the force.
And police, then it turned out, it said a whole new, the entire new class got killed or went to prison.
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They were all dealing drugs.
Of course, I mean, it's a $500 million a year industry in the U.S.
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And you can launder that money, so it has that multiple value of the fact that they can launder it and the banks can loan out ten times every dollar they've got.
And then the BBC just calmly admits the U.S.
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So it's just pouring out of there.
Then I hear local police, one local cop's got a radio show, and he's a nice guy, I've met him, but he gets on air and says, I just can't believe that officers would deal drugs.
I can't believe the government would deal drugs.
What are you talking about?
Serpico, all of it, LAPD.
I mean, how many times have the police and the government, the CIA, how many times have CIA aircraft crashed full of cocaine and heroin?
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I mean, it's a sick joke.
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I mean, the Army is watching me?
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He's here today to debunk the debunkers who lied to Gage and said, oh, we're going to show you talking about this evidence.
Showed him a rough cut and said, this will be in the show.
They have transcripts of that now, proving it.
They gave him the transcripts.
This same group is known for doing hit pieces on, quote, conspiracy theorists.
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I mean, this was crazy.
When we have all the patents and the rest of it.
So I wanted to get Professor Stephen Jones on with us.
Professor, it's great to have you.
steven e jones
Thanks Alex, it's great to be with you again here today.
alex jones
Okay, briefly recap, most people know who you are, but for those that don't, how you got into this, and then let's get into Thermite, Therm-A, the different samples, what it shows, how it fits with the NIST report, fits with the firefighter testimony.
Break it down, sir.
steven e jones
Okay, sure.
Well, to begin, let me start with the Journal of 9-1-1 Studies that you mentioned.
We now have over 100 papers and letters.
So, the list has grown dramatically.
These are all peer-reviewed, and I encourage people to go there.
Of course, we also have the papers that you mentioned in a more established scientific journal, technical journal, civil engineering journal, and of course the open chemical physics journal has our latest paper with Neil Territ, Jeff Ferrer, myself, and a total and of course the open chemical physics journal has our latest paper with Neil Territ, And so, let's see, my other phone was ringing, Alex, sorry.
alex jones
That's okay, sir, go ahead.
steven e jones
So, yeah, it's been quite an adventure trying to explain to people the difference between nanothermite or superthermite, same thing there, compared to ordinary macrothermite.
And I'll tell you, I explained that very carefully to the National Geographic people, and they did get some of that straight, but You just couldn't seem to bring it to admit that, you know, here's a form of thermite that's nano thermite that's distinctly different from ordinary thermite.
And the nano thermite is explosive and can be tailored to be a high explosive.
And they just, they just didn't do it.
And then, of course, this test they did, you mentioned that, where they piled up ordinary thermite.
They didn't even put sulfur in it.
That would have been interesting if they'd done at least that, which I talked about in my first paper.
And you and I talked about thermate, which is the sulfur added to thermite, at some length, explaining the difference.
And of course, the sulfur observed in samples of World Trade Center steel, observed by the guys at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and published.
That great mystery, the New York Times said, how did the sulfur get in the steel?
Sorry, clearing my throat a little here, but yeah, so they didn't even add sulfur, and of course they didn't test nanothermite at all.
And they kept saying, I just was reviewing that this morning, the NatGeo program, and they kept saying, well, thermite is not explosive, will not explode.
Well, excuse me, there is a form called nanothermite that will explode, and so, you know, they Totally obfuscated that important point.
And, you know, I kept hammering that.
They did quote me on that in the program briefly.
But, of course, their test had nothing to do with what we're talking about in the nanothermite paper.
Nothing whatsoever.
No correlation at all.
And I told them, I was really upset when I heard about that in March, that they're proposing this.
Well, not supposedly.
I've already done the experiment.
I called it pathetic.
I said, this in no way represents my views to stack up a bunch of ordinary thermite around a steel column.
I never said anything like that.
We're talking about nanothermite in this paper, and thermate, which is sulfur added to thermite.
It looks like that was also present.
Good evidence for that was the sulfur in the World Trade Center steel sample.
But to do it with ordinary thermite, and the way they did it, is just ludicrous.
And of course, I told them, it's a straw man argument.
It supposedly represents my views, but in no way comes close to what I have stated.
alex jones
Well, I want to get into the science with you, Professor, today, but first, did they hold out in a dishonest way to you in the way Richard Gage, who I think has the highest credibility, I mean, he doesn't like to get in fights, he doesn't like to be nasty, he puts up with a lot of crap, he's a genteel person, scholarly like yourself, but I mean, he said this was a complete lie, a complete deception, a complete fraud.
steven e jones
Well, you know, I think that there are certainly some elements there.
That I would have to say that Nat Geo was disingenuous.
I mean, I said, look, NIST just can't seem to admit that there is a form of thermite, nanothermite, that is explosive.
I hope you can get that straight and tell the facts.
This is what we're claiming now is nanothermite was the main culprit here.
alex jones
Oh yeah, they say repeatedly they don't even know if it exists, even though you have all the patents, and NASA uses it, and missile separation.
I mean, it just so happens the Pentagon has a lot, and their scientists just so happen to have those patents, and you've got a bunch of NIST experts that are the few in the world on it, but no big deal.
ted anderson
Right.
steven e jones
And you know, there's data published, as we quoted in our nanothermite paper, we published from Livermore National Laboratory, for example, kiloton and gash and those scientists, and, you know, they're publishing their data, and we compared our data with theirs for the differential scanning calorimeter, for example.
The composition is the same as theirs.
I mean, you know, as you mentioned, the very ultra-fine iron and aluminum.
This is not something that happens as the building falls down to get this complex mix of ultra-fine.
alex jones
This is very exotic and from sample after sample after sample you find the same signature.
steven e jones
That's exactly right.
And so for them to obscure all that, particularly after my, actually I was just pleading with Robert Erickson to please get this straight.
NIST can't seem to admit it but surely you can.
that there's a difference between incendiary thermite and explosive nanothermite.
There's a difference between night and day, you know.
And sure enough, they obscured it again.
And so, yes, I must say that does seem disingenuous to me.
I don't see how you can say it otherwise.
alex jones
Well, I know you don't get into the Pentagon, but firing missiles into fiberglass chicken coops, and I recognize that's what it looked like out of a farm supply, a fiberglass little thin thing.
and blowing it up with a pound of plastic explosive and saying a missile would have blown the whole Pentagon up.
I mean, this was, this was just, I mean, I was watching this and I couldn't believe it.
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And they would like, off the page, have it all crooked, the word truther, even on your name tags to make you look right.
And they wouldn't have the camera shots as nice with you guys, but with their experts they would.
We had History Channel do this to us.
They would do stuff like, I would give a speech to a stand-alone crowd of 600 people.
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And then during a recess here in Austin, when they shot that, they would just show the bleachers while I was talking with like three people in them.
steven e jones
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
alex jones
And I mean, everybody, I mean, we had L.A. with 1,200.
Everywhere we go, it's a standing room only.
Every movie I've ever shown has been sold out.
I mean, I don't know what they're, but again, they use sophomoric psychology of, look, he's not popular.
That's what psychology today did.
They said Alex had no friends.
Basically, Alex says he had friends, but we couldn't prove it.
Alex said he has a good family life, but he wouldn't let us talk to his family.
You know, when I have a great family life and great friends and great high school, it's a little too wild.
It was a little too fun.
I mean, again, it's meant to sell the idea that we're like these outcast kooks when we are the majority.
Professor Stephen Jones, stay with us.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Would you stand up or shoot?
Or would you turn away till you happened?
What if you saw all of the things that's wrong?
alex jones
Would you stand tall and strong if you saw the things that were wrong?
Well, Professor Stephen E. Jones did.
Kind of like Galileo saying that the earth orbited the sun, not the sun orbiting the earth.
And the truth is coming out, and the system is scared.
Professor Jones, do you agree with me that, or give us your take on this, that we see all these new hit pieces coming out now because they understand 9-11 truth has just continued to grow and didn't go away, it wasn't just a political thing of bashing Bush, that staged terror is something that people really understand now?
steven e jones
I do agree with you there, Alex.
I think that we are making progress worldwide, not just the United States.
Niels Harrod is Professor Harrod in Denmark, gets calls from all over.
He told me that he's been in the media a great deal in Europe.
So I know that in Europe, people are waking up, including Russia, of course, and other countries.
In this country, it seems like every September 11th, we're coming up again, two days, and we get this burst of interest, which is good.
But like you say, then, like the Nat Geo program, we get this mocking, basically, calling us truthers.
And look at these guys' psychology, you know, psychoanalyzing us that we're so paranoid.
I mean, that was the term they used.
As if we can't do science.
That's the beauty of science, as I've repeated, Alex, is that anyone, regardless of belief system, can get the same result.
If anyone will Take a dare here.
Look at the World Trade Center desk.
You'll see these chips that are red on one side, gray on the other.
Very distinctive.
And then do the test that we did, and you'll get the same result.
alex jones
Yeah, you're finding the nanothermite, I mean itself, unignited.
There was one issue that had any credibility, the one shred watching the program several times that I thought had any basis.
Was this claim, well, your chain of custody.
But you have FEMA coming in two days after, locking it down, saying federal crime to even take photos.
They cut up the steel, shipped it off, but you and others were able to go to the different states and cities that have gotten it, you know, to build memorials with it.
You were able to get it from people that owned homes or apartments nearby where it was still wrecked.
steven e jones
Right.
alex jones
I mean, speak to that, because you've got a bunch of different places you've gotten this.
steven e jones
Absolutely.
We've studied in detail six samples now, if I count correctly.
Four are reported in the paper, but we've been looking at more samples, and they all have the same signature of the red-gray material, these chips that still blow up.
The red material side blows up after all these years.
And let me say, in the paper we make an effort To spell out the chain of custody for those samples that we reported on in the paper, we pointed out the distinct chemical similarity, the chemical signatures being the same in all four samples.
So, really, the basis of maybe someone could... What could it be?
They salted these samples?
How could they reach these independent collectors and New York citizens?
Who did save some of the dust, and I've heard of others since, and I had a call this morning, another fellow had saved some dust.
So, you know, people were saving it as a souvenir, nothing else.
And to suppose that they salted these is, now that's really stretching credulity.
So I haven't heard that argument too much recently.
The one argument I have heard recently, Alex, is, well, Professor Eager.
He'll find anything.
He didn't complain about the chain of custody.
He was complaining.
He said, well, this has got to be primer paint.
This paint that was put on the steel and it's not explosive at all.
It's just paint, you know, ordinary primer paint.
Well, we found a sample of steel.
This is actually at a memorial in, uh, at Clarkson College in New York State.
Like I say, there are these samples around, and this one happens to be at Clarkson.
I contacted an individual who lives nearby.
She contacted the fellow that actually put the memorial together.
He does welding.
So he put that together.
He collected for us, for her, and then she sent it to us, a sample right off the steel of the actual primer paint that was still on the World Trade Center steel.
So we tested this primer paint, and it's not the same as these red chips, not at all.
All of the primer paint samples show potassium, magnesium, and zinc.
And the other one, of the chips, when you, I'm talking about when you get a fresh surface for both, right?
Paint and chips.
Look at the fresh surface.
alex jones
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Going back to Professor Steven Jones and the 10 minutes we have left with him, then I'm going to cover financial news and some other issues.
Professor Jones, you were making a point about... Right.
So you got the paint that was on the steel, not the same thing?
steven e jones
Right.
It's not at all the same.
It's very distinct from the red gray chip material.
Yeah, the paint, just to recap that, as we looked at it using the electron microscopy system, And x-ray dispersive spectroscopy, that's that term.
And I tell people that will be on the quiz, you know.
And, you know, I appreciate when people make an effort to understand some of the things that we're trying to do.
We're probing with electron beams.
We're looking at the material that's in the dust.
We're finding this pyrotechnic or explosive material.
You know, I think people understand that that is significant.
It shouldn't be there in quantities like that.
I mean, this was an office building, for heaven's sakes, and the one sample was collected within 20 minutes of the fall of the second tower, the North Tower.
So this cannot be contaminated by cleanup operations.
There were no cleanup operations 20 minutes after the second tower collapsed.
This was a fellow, Frank D'Alessio, scooped that up, got that dust.
We found an abundance of these red grape chips in that sample.
And his friend, what's his name, Breidenbach, also testified.
We have their testimony on tape.
The chain of custody is clear, straight to me, and Jeff Ferrer, Dr. Ferrer at BYU.
So, again, when we compare the primer paint, this is from steel in a monument at Clarkson College in New York State, compare that primer paint with these red gray chips, they are not the same at all.
The primer paint always shows zinc in abundance.
There's a reason for that.
And always shows potassium, always shows magnesium.
This is a fresh surface now.
You break off a chunk and you look at the edge so that you're not talking about dust now.
You're talking about what's in the actual material.
So the paint shows those elements, zinc, potassium, magnesium, always, whereas the red material never shows those elements completely distinct what what are the chips are you saying it's nanothermite it certainly has that characteristic uh i'm persuaded that it is nanothermite i mean it's an explosive material in the sense or pyrotechnic in the sense that it it reacts violently
alex jones
we published that in our nanothermite paper in the open chemical physics and you wouldn't put a accelerant you wouldn't put something explosive as fireproofing on buildings Absolutely.
steven e jones
No, absolutely not.
It's a very dangerous material.
You wouldn't want to breathe it in either, Alex, I might say.
It's another, like asbestos, it's one of those bad actors that was in the dust.
The EPA told us it was safe.
Of course, you know, there's an example of the government lying to us.
In that case, the whistleblower Nikki Tinsley was the EPA General Inspector and she blew the whistle on the EPA for lying to the people about the safety of the dust.
alex jones
And by the way, seven years ago they would call it a conspiracy theory.
You said Tina Todd Whitten was covering up for Bush.
Later it came out that one of her reports said the dust is dangerous in the first week.
The White House said, shut that down!
steven e jones
That's right.
And the EPA Inspector General Tinsley She spelled that out and wrote that up in a report and it got into the press.
I think it was in 2003 that that truth came out about what the EPA had done.
So, you know, it's a clear example of where the government, high level, White House, you'd say, has lied to us.
And so now here we have, we're having to ferret this out.
NIST refuses to look for explosive or explosive residues in the World Trade Center dust.
Well, we've done so.
And we challenge them to do so, you know.
But they have just adamantly refused.
And their excuse is, well, if you look for something that isn't there, you won't find it.
And I'm saying, excuse me?
How do you know it's not there until you look?
You know?
But it's just really remarkable.
And if I may throw in another one, which of course was missed by the Nat Geo program, that is the free-fall acceleration of World Trade Center 7.
For over two seconds, and that's over a hundred feet, the roof was measured by David Chandler.
I looked at this too, but to David's credit, he plotted the data, you know, and showed this is essentially freefall.
And then he and I both challenged NIST.
Remember last August they had this forum where you could send in questions by email, which I did and he did.
We both challenged them on their statements about the rate of fall of the World Trade Center 7.
And sure enough, NIST, now this is a little bit to their credit, they came back and plotted the data.
It agrees, it lines up with free fall acceleration.
It lines up with what David Chandler and I were trying to say.
And so they admitted that, but to their great discredit, they did not go back and say, well, this is really strange.
That means there's nothing impeding the fall.
That's what free fall means.
There's nothing in the way.
You know, you've got hundreds of thousands of tons of steel and concrete.
These beams don't just give up and disappear.
Their mass alone would slow the roof down, but nothing slowed it down.
Now, that takes explosives to move this material out of the way.
It's a prime evidence for explosives, along with the red chips that we have found.
But what NIST did, they swept that data, they showed that plot, but then they say, oh, this is consistent with our computer model, and that's the end of that.
We're not going to discuss it anymore.
And so you know that a computer model, which they will not let us test, I mean, it just can't be, Alex, that having hundreds of thousands of tons of material on the way and you get free fall.
Unless they took that out of a computer model, which actually you can do in a computer simulation, but you can't do that in real life unless you use explosives to move the material out of the way.
alex jones
But underwriting laboratories, in their own report, said that they did fire testing for similar things and it didn't make anything collapse.
steven e jones
And it didn't fail, did not fail, right?
Kevin Ryan pointed that one out.
And he lost his job over making that one public, as I recall, that was the issue.
alex jones
That's right.
You were persecuted, no doubt, and driven out of your professorship, even though you were one of the top lights at that university.
Huge developments and discoveries in your own right.
But the truth is the truth, and God loves you for what you've done, and the American people do.
I hear there's a film coming out soon with a lot of the material that you've presented in it.
steven e jones
With material that I presented included in the bill?
alex jones
No, no, in a film.
I'm sorry.
steven e jones
Oh, I'm sorry.
A film, yes.
Yeah.
Dylan Avery and his guys are doing one.
Is that the one you're talking about?
alex jones
Well, there's that one, but I've seen other stuff on the web.
I guess a lot of people are just taking your material then and making films.
That is very, very exciting, Professor.
steven e jones
Yeah, and you know, it's not, again, I have to emphasize, it's not just me, Alex.
I worked with Neil Tarrant and Dr. Ferrer, Kevin Ryan, Frank Leakey.
Brad Larson, Danny Farnsworth.
alex jones
These are a lot of serious engineers and physicists and scientists that have a lot to lose.
And I remember you talking about the professor at BYU.
He just said, well, I'll look at it.
And then, of course, he found what you found.
And we all wish this wasn't true.
I wish this wasn't the case.
steven e jones
Right.
alex jones
But I wish three years ago I had medical doctors on, and they said, look, in the trials of Gardasil, Humapapalona virus vaccine is killing girls and maiming and paralyzing them.
And I went on air and talked about it and got made fun of by the media.
And then now it's all over the news everywhere I turn, uh, where the human papillomavirus shot is killing or maiming or paralyzing people.
I mean, we're just, we're just trying to tell the truth here.
It's not enjoyable.
I'll tell you.
steven e jones
I totally agree with you.
And it does, uh, there's a personal cost.
As you and I both know.
I wanted to ask you, Alex, if I can turn the tables just for a minute.
I'm really curious what you're finding out about this vaccine for the swine flu.
And I'm sorry if I changed the topic, but I just got to ask you that question.
Do you have any, I'm sure you have some strong feelings, but any advice of what we can do about what's coming down the pike?
alex jones
You know, there's so many pieces of political data, socioeconomic data, so many medical doctors and scientists and virologists I've interviewed and all the different perspectives.
It's almost like I've over-analyzed it to the point of, we know it's a lie, we know it's a fraud.
We knew in January they were gearing up for quarantines, mass graves, federalization, Northcom to put 400,000 troops on the streets.
And we saw all these movements in January.
I went on air and said, I believe it's flu-related, because emergency managers in Chicago and in Indiana were telling me this, and in upstate New York.
Then I got secret documents and published them.
And we said, this isn't a drill.
They're not using this just as a cover for federalization.
The banks are financing this worldwide.
It's kind of a way, if they want to worldwide shut everything down during the economic implosion of their engineering in the fall, that they're going to use this to clamp down.
I said that in January.
Then in April, the flu popped up.
We said regular flu kills over 36,000 people every year.
Why are they fear-mongering over a few deaths?
Now it's over 500.
Why did it come out in the wrong year, wrong time of year, wrong hemisphere?
Why?
I had a virologist on.
It was in BBC News saying it's a manufactured flu.
We can look at its pedigree and tell it just came out of nowhere.
It's been engineered part human, part bird, part pig.
So the question is, is it just engineered hype to get federalization in place as a cover without a bunch of death and forced inoculations?
Or is it a cover just to sell a bunch of vaccines?
Or are they really planning?
Do they know it's going to mutate into something more deadly?
Vaccine trials in Europe have killed a bunch of people with different flu vaccines in the last year, namely bird flu.
There's internal CDC reports that have come out.
Admitting that this could cause that Gillian Bernays disorder and nerve degeneration and even death that happened in 76 with the same type of swine flu that popped up at a military base after inoculations.
But people don't seem to be buying this.
Remember back in 2002, they tried the Model State Self-Emergency Powers Act.
Tried to order all first responders, nurses, doctors, police, firemen, 14 million total, the LA Times reported, to take these inoculations.
And for smallpox.
But then Tommy Thompson wouldn't even take it, so the whole thing fell apart.
So they keep trying this, but usually when it's just a hype thing they're doing, they don't build up all these assets.
And so, I think it's an ace in the hole for them to release something else if they want.
I mean, we know it's staged, but at a certain point then, we know what they're saying is a lie, we know it's staged, but we don't know what their exact playbook is.
steven e jones
Or exactly when.
If I could interject, too, one thing I really appreciate about you, Alex, is your personal research.
I'm sure you have a team.
You have these facts right at your fingertips, and I think it's great on a variety of subjects that correlate.
And the second point, I really appreciate that about you and your program.
The second thing I wanted to say was that I could ask, I just asked you the other day, oh, you know, maybe 9-11 was an inside job.
I mean, maybe the government knew about it or let it happen, you know, but what difference does it make, really?
I mean, it's over with.
It's past.
It's eight years ago.
And I said, look, these same people, the puppeteers there, if you get the big picture, it's not over.
And the sooner we wake up, the sooner we can do something to change our republic, to have this renaissance that we need to clean up these guys, if we possibly can at this late date.
alex jones
I mean, every time I think about getting set up, getting put in prison, getting killed, and I'm not trying to get sympathy here, folks.
I mean, I don't even tell you a tenth of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes, but I live in like a James Bond movie, but I'm not James Bond.
I'm just an average guy.
Whenever it's overwhelming or I wake up at 3 a.m., like, not even fear, but more just gripped by the enormity, I think about my children, but other people's children.
And you're right.
These sickos that did this are going to continue to stage events.
They're going to continue to do wicked things.
It wasn't George Bush that did this.
It was the National Security Council.
It was the private corporate takeover above them.
You know, the CFR wrote manuals how they needed big catalyzing terror events and Cheney did.
Right.
And I'm in this.
When I got involved 13 and a half, 14 years ago, I had no idea how deep it was, how bad it was.
I was naive.
I was just standing up for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
And now I realize I'm point of no return.
I can't go back.
But plus, none of us can go back.
Even if people live in denial and say this isn't happening, you know, you can't go back.
You can't go back once you know the truth.
steven e jones
That's right.
Yeah, I felt the same way.
When I learned about this, it was actually spring of 2005 when I first saw World Trade Center 7 coming down.
And the way it came down, I pulled out my stopwatch, you know, and I was reading and analyzing.
And, man, it just hit me like a ton of bricks.
And then, you know, I'm reading this, what was the name, PNAC report that came out in Well, it came out just about a year ago.
alex jones
September 20th, 2000, rebuilding America's defenses.
steven e jones
Right.
So just one year before 9-11, 2001, and I think, man, these guys are talking about American empire.
And they're not even, you know, hiding it.
They want hegemony, domination, using United States military power.
alex jones
And they say we've got to have a Pearl Harbor style event to do it.
Pearl Harbor killed 3,000, 9-11 killed right at 3,000.
unidentified
Yeah.
steven e jones
I mean, yeah, and so anyway, it hit me and, you know, a lot of my family now have awakened to this situation.
Awful situation, really.
But, you know, there are some things we feel that we are doing.
It's not totally pessimistic, is it?
People like you and I are speaking out, doing what we can.
And then, you know, I always like to encourage people to get food storage.
I'm sure glad I bought some gold and silver a few years ago.
Gold just went over $1,000 an ounce.
Did you see that?
alex jones
Yeah, I did.
We told people to buy it when it was $300.
But we're not perfect.
We try.
I mean, I buy gold.
I've got guns.
I've got food.
I'm not looking for trouble.
I just know that when you leave us in the final segment, I'm going to hit the news where top economists are in major news saying the dollar will probably die in the next two years.
We will probably be like Argentina.
I'm not the one saying that.
But we knew years ago they were planning it.
Professor, I'd like to have you back sometime just on your political beliefs and ideas, because I find this very refreshing discussing it with you.
Fire out the websites for folks.
steven e jones
Okay, websites.
Let me start with journalof911studies.com.
And that has over a hundred peer-reviewed papers, and then plus it links to our three major papers in it.
alex jones
We're almost out of time.
Fire out the other.
unidentified
Oh boy.
steven e jones
Gosh, uh, STJ911, AE911truth.org.
alex jones
Professor?
steven e jones
Oh, one more thing, quick, Alex.
We're starting up a scientist for 9-11 Truth.
That should be out here next week, I hope.
alex jones
Awesome, God bless you.
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We'll be right back.
We cover all that coming up if you missed any of it, all the big developments there.
You know, I've got to do at least an hour tomorrow on the show with this.
And for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers, you can see this, but for online folks, Obama to seal US-UN relationship to become head of the UN Security Council, at the same time as being president, first time ever, merging us with the UN, basically, Financial Times of London.
McClatchy News, a year after financial crisis, a new world order emerges.
UN panel calls for dollar reserve to be eliminated.
That is the United Nations, and Obama's bringing us into this.
That is Wall Street Journal.
Barack Obama accused of making depression mistakes.
Then it goes on to say top economist of George Mason University.
It is also not impossible that the U.S.
will experience the kind of economic collapse from first to third world status experienced by Argentina under the National Socialist government of Juan Perón.
unidentified
U.N.
alex jones
wants new global currency to replace dollar.
That's a London Guardian, another article in the London Telegraph.
Nancy Pelosi, every aspect of her life must be subject to inventory.
France mulls CO2 taxes on all citizens.
Everything you eat, everything you do, tract.
You get a carbon ration.
We had the British scientist calling for that a few months ago.
German government advisor, top environment guys, propose a CO2 budget for everyone on planet.
If you complain about your daughter getting killed or paralyzed, Times of London from Gardasil, they take your other children, Times of London, they're going to take your kids away to fat camps.
They're saying in England they want tens of thousands of kids to be taken at birth and raised in government dormitories first, while the parents prove they can be parents.
This is what's going on financially and politically.
I mean, this is real, ladies and gentlemen.
And if we let the bankers know we're not going to go along with it, they won't bankrupt everything.
Just like if we let them know they're behind the flu stuff, they'll back off.
I wanted to bring Ted up in the last three minutes before we go into retransmission on Infowars.com.
Ted, and there's so many big developments coming up this week, I haven't even told you about, other special celebrity guests.
Looks like Thursday or Friday, tomorrow or Friday.
Ted, briefly, you've still got gold you bought at the $9.45 level, silver you bought when it was $2, less than it is now, you're almost running out, you told me during a break earlier, you want to give people this offer, this may be the last time, you were selling it for $905 an ounce a week ago.
It's up at $1,000 right now, a bit above $1,000.
People can get this right now.
Tell folks the offer you've got, Ted Anderson.
ted anderson
Well, here's the best offer that I have right now, bar none of the Walking Liberty halves, and they're at $8.69.
unidentified
That's relative to the spots over at $11 an ounce.
Right now it's about $16.50.
ted anderson
So that's below spot.
alex jones
Excuse me, that's below spot.
ted anderson
Yeah, it was below where the spot is today when I originally accumulated this deal.
You can't get a better deal in silver.
alex jones
Okay, below spot silver, tell us about the gold.
ted anderson
Yeah, the gold right now, the best thing in gold right now, are they going to be the $10 Liberty at $818.50?
Or pick up the British Sovereign of the Frank at $233 and $288?
Alex, the markets are going like this.
unidentified
The United States market's trying to press gold down, and once the Asian markets open up, gold goes back up over $1,000 an ounce.
ted anderson
It's been as high as $1,005 today, and you can just see it.
The Asian people want to get out of the U.S.
dollar, and the Federal Reserve System here in New York, which is where the comics is, is trying to push it down when the New York market opens up.
alex jones
So it's kangarooing, folks.
Can't beat these gold and silver deals.
The brokers are standing by until midnight tonight.
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Ted, how long can you hold this deal?
ted anderson
We're gonna definitely hold it till midnight, and we'll see what goes on in the market tomorrow.
unidentified
Very volatile, I don't know for sure.
alex jones
800-686-2237.
Get out of some of those paper notes into gold and silver today.
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Ted Anderson, thank you so much.
ted anderson
Thanks a lot, Alex.
alex jones
Brokers are there to take your call.
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Unbelievably good job.
The show today was off the charts.
Retransmission with Charlie Sheen.
The first hour live starts right now.
He was on live today with us.
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