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Air Date: Oct. 23, 2008
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	Big Brother, Mainstream Media, Government Cover-Ups.
	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Alright, a lot of really important news I'm gonna get to out of the gates here, coming up in T-minus one hour.
	He's going to be joining us for two hours now.
	Robert Grodin is probably the JFK assassination insider.
	He's the guy that well got the copy of the Zabruder film and leaked it out to the public.
	He's the person that leaked out the photos of the back of Kennedy's head, blown off.
	He was uniquely placed to expose all that.
	He was the chief consultant and expert
	Jim Marshall brought the screenplay and consulted as well, but he was the chief consultant on the Oliver Stone film, JFK.
	He's never been on this show, and I've been consulting with him and working with him on my JFK film.
	It's about continuity of government, the fascist connection, the new E. Howard Hunt revelations, but only... Again, it gets into areas never before covered as part of the JFK assassination.
	But now we have the vast majority, more than 90% of the American people in all major polls, believing the government killed Kennedy.
	The truth is out there.
	But I thought we would have the preeminent expert on today and take your phone calls and get into the new revelation.
	Now we've had this video for about six months and I was piling up footage, piling up research.
	We watched it six months ago.
	I kept meaning to put a mini-film together before we even put it in Black Sunshine, the Continuity of Government-slash-JFK film I'm making, that Grodin, by the way, is going to be in as well.
	With some new revelations, by the way.
	But, um... I kept meaning to get around to putting this video out.
	Well, we finally, in the last week, edited it together with some other video and images and documents.
	Never-before-seen footage.
	You know, there's there's the audio tape released a year ago and the Rolling Stone covering the handwritten notes where E. Howard Hunt admitted to being involved with the assassination of JFK.
	We'd always known that had been picked up as one of the tramps.
	But here he was admitting it.
	And then people said, oh no, St.
	John Hunt and the Rolling Stone is lying.
	And so he just released the audio tape.
	Well,
	He gave us the video.
	And by the way, there's a lot more where this came from.
	But we put out the most dangerous stuff that I... It's not even fearlessness, it's in a way, it's stupidity.
	That I could just calmly sit here relaxing, having this tape, when they already tried to run St.
	John off the road, they already broke into his house, tried to steal everything, rifled through all the papers.
	I mean, I'm just unbelievably callous
	I guess living the life of danger here.
	Make no mistake, there's danger involved.
	They're still killing people over the Kennedy assassination.
	To have had this video for six months, and so last week I said, look!
	We keep meaning to put a little mini-film out about this and add a bunch of documentation to it.
	Just put it out.
	Just put... We sat down one night, watched the hours of it.
	And I just said, that's the most dangerous stuff, that's the key stuff, get that out now.
	In fact, I know St.
	John wants it in larger portions of it in the film, but I'm gonna call him today and just say, look St.
	John, I just want to put the whole thing on YouTube.
	I don't even want this video sitting around here.
	But, um, doesn't matter, the most damning stuff is there.
	We're just nonchalantly talking about
	How they killed Kennedy, why they killed Kennedy, why LBJ wanted it done.
	Talks about Harvey, who we know had run assassinations all over the world.
	And, uh, so the video's there.
	It's pretty historic.
	And we kind of released it with a whimper, not a bang, last night.
	We even put on the YouTube video that it's a world-exclusive and never-before-seen.
	We're so used to just being so close to bombshell information that we, I think, lose perspective on just how important the work is that we are doing, and all the glory goes to God, and thank God for his guidance and protection.
	All right, we'll be right back with a bunch of other news in your phone calls.
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	He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones, on the GCN Radio Network.
	There's a 14-minute video on PrisonPlanet.TV for PrisonPlanet.TV members of high quality.
	We also have the YouTube videos posted for free, where you can go watch the world-exclusive footage.
	I'm going to air some of that audio right now, and then later in the show I'm going to air all of it for those listening on AM and FM dials four-wave satellite.
	Or those that have computers but are out driving around in their cars and can't watch the video.
	I'm going to play all the audio, 14 minutes of it, coming up later in the broadcast today.
	I've got some financial news and a lot of other important info.
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	But right now, let's go ahead and just play a few minutes of the never before heard or seen E. Howard Hunt.
	I mean, this is him on video.
	Close up of his face.
	Talking about who and how Kennedy was killed.
	Here it is.
	I could just visualize Harvey and LBJ forming a kind of a theme compact between them.
	But I think if LBJ was an opportunist and if he had not hesitated
	To get rid of obstacles in his way.
	I think his later career exemplified that.
	The Vice President had the most to gain.
	And he was in a position where he could bring in people like Cornmire and others of interest and get their take on different things and then in turn issue
	Instructions.
	With the limitations of the CIA because there was no other group that honored, if I could use that term, that honored the clandestine limitations the way CIA did.
	They could do something, turn their back on it, move on to something else.
	It was not like a military.
	There was no accounting in that sense.
	And we know that LBJ had an unlimited ambition.
	And we know that he was a corrupt individual.
	And that the dollar sign was very important to him.
	As vice president, he didn't have the leverage that a president did or would.
	And so that was an attractive goal for LBJ.
	He did not want his career to come to an end as Vice President.
	Who knows about Vice Presidents?
	It was very important to him that he take advantage to the extent that he could as Vice President because just a few things had to be accomplished
	He had to kill Kennedy, or have him killed, I should say, and be guilt-free himself.
	Then he could go on and do what he wanted to do as President of the United States.
	It was a very tempting and almost illogical
	Move on his part.
	I keep thinking about Bill Harvey.
	Alright.
	Bill Harvey and say, look... Again, you can go watch the rest of it.
	It gets even more hardcore.
	I mean, I can't believe in my life that this radio show, the films we make, that, I mean, we've got people like Jesse Ventura and Willie Nelson talking about the government blowing up the towers, and German defense ministers, and high-level members of Japanese parliament, and
	Hollywood stars like Charlie Sheen and film directors like Rick Linklater on there telling us that we've woken up Bruce Willis and in my strange life we just nonchalantly have videotapes lying around that nobody's ever seen with him spilling his guts seeing Howard Hunt of course that's admitted with the TV show and then films it's Ethan Hunt Mission Impossible that's modeled
	After him, the most famous CIA black op commander in history.
	And it's just very strange that this information is coming out.
	It's surreal!
	There are people in the InfoWars.com article posting comments, and they're saying, yeah, this is a good video.
	The headline, World Exclusive E. Howard Hunt Tells JFK Plot on Video.
	Aaron did a great job editing the video and putting it up there yesterday, and I called him last night when he put it up.
	I left about 10, got home about 11, saw the story post, and I called him.
	I said, uh, Aaron, uh, you don't even say World Exclusive on this.
	Uh, so he did add that to the article, but not the YouTube video title.
	But people are in there posting, going, hey, you know, he's covering up.
	He's saying it only went up to LBJ.
	And I like Tarpley, but you know, Tarpley made me mad like a year ago when we were first airing these audio tapes.
	This is separate video, not just the video of the audio.
	This is separate video.
	You just heard the audio of it.
	It's new.
	New to the public.
	And you know, Tarpley said the same thing on his show.
	Well, we're all hearing now that disinfo, that it was LBJ alone that ran it.
	No, we're not!
	E. Howard Hunt was taking orders from the President.
	That's as high as the chain of command went for him.
	It's like if you have a Mafia Capo taking orders from a Don, and the Don's had a meeting, you know, a few months before, and the Capo running the hit wasn't privy to the meeting of the Mafia Chiefs.
	So he knows the Mafia Chief that they were getting orders from.
	And I'm not even here criticizing people.
	This is just for open discussion.
	This is the type of nitpicking that is endemic everywhere.
	Uh, in the alternative media.
	That we bring you this incredible revelation, we risk our lives to bring it to you, and make no mistake, it's dangerous.
	Dealing with this.
	And I just want that noted.
	No one can deny it.
	And then, uh, it's, oh, you know, they're covering up for the New World Order, they're saying they only want it to LBJ.
	When, in the videos we've released and the radio interviews we did, we pointed out that
	It was Nixon involved and a bunch of other people, and then above them Rothschilds and Rockefellers and the CFR.
	And the oil family, the hunts out of Texas.
	No relation to E. Howard Hunt.
	I mean, it's just incredible to be on the field day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, just trying to expose the New World Order.
	Busting our hinds to do it.
	And so, I mean, this is a very important story.
	And it needs to be seen, it needs to go viral on the web, so I'm enlisting our wonderful listeners and activists out there.
	Do your own reports on your own blogs, and call them to talk radio shows, and email this to talk shows, and tell them to talk about it, and cover it, and deal with it, because people always say, well, a conspiracy like 9-11, or Gulf of Tonkin, or USS Liberty, or JFK, you know, people would talk!
	People would speak out!
	It would come out!
	Well, they do!
	And close to 500 people conservatively were murdered in and around the JFK assassination, tying up loose ends.
	Barry Jennings, you know, talked about bombs going off, explosions before either tower collapsed.
	He was in Building 7, 300 yards away.
	He's in there with the head of the New York Emergency Management.
	He was the deputy head.
	And, uh,
	The media starts trying to discredit it and suddenly he dies and they won't say why he died or another witness who saw bombs going off, he dies.
	Same week.
	Back in August.
	I mean, living in the real world is... I don't want to say frightening, it's bracing.
	It's like walking out on a freezing cold winter day with cold wind blowing in the face.
	It really wakes you up.
	Unless you know what you're dealing with.
	And I think all of us should every day just reassess and recalibrate.
	Kind of restart our computer and realize we really have a new world order.
	They really put poison in the water.
	They really spray our skies with poison.
	They now admit they're doing that.
	They say it's for climate control, but we know it's toxic.
	That's now in mainstream news.
	And it's now mainstream news.
	They're setting up a trilateral world currency and a world government run by the banks where you pay carbon tax
	Where you pay carbon taxes to the private banks.
	And the CPS really does grab over a million children a year without due process criminally.
	Government really does test pesticides and chemicals and drugs that kill children, foster children.
	And it's in the mainstream news.
	The FDA is going after now vitamin companies and shutting them down.
	They don't even have court proceedings.
	They just used the Patriot Act on them.
	I have articles about that today.
	With the bailout, it really is at least $5 trillion.
	We told you that a month ago.
	Now it's mainstream news.
	I heard Ron Paul last week say it's actually right now $5 trillion and growing.
	And it's completely secret.
	That's in the news today, Huffington Post.
	They won't say where the trillions are going.
	Just like when $2 trillion was missing, the AP reported on it two days before 9-11, now it's over $4 trillion.
	Last time I saw a congressional hearing on it, two years ago, it was $4 trillion.
	Just gone!
	The Pentagon pension funds, the investments, and then the Meyers and Rumsfeld two years ago, they just got up and said, we're not going to tell you where it is.
	None of your business, Congressman.
	And they really are threatening Congress with martial law, and they really are deploying army brigades.
	If you read carefully, it's a whole bunch of them.
	Not just one.
	They're just reporting on the new one they're deploying.
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	Seems like yesterday, but it was long ago.
	Deadline!
	Scott, Randy, Kevin, Mike, Matthew, Bryden, your calls are coming up momentarily.
	Your calls and others at 1-800-259-9231.
	As I enter the last segment, I'm telling you folks, you need to reset, all of us do, myself included, and just realize how incrementally the tyranny is intensifying all around us.
	I mean, they're putting body scanners that our mainstream media even admits are basically
	Electronic strip searches, they're storing images of our naked bodies, the humiliation, all in the name of stopping terrorism that the rulers of this planet themselves are conducting against us, so we will acquiesce to being slaves.
	Very simple equation.
	They pose terror, so they have a pretext to rule and dominate.
	Real simple.
	And they are engaging in an economic terrorism and consolidation and setting up the foretold world government run for and by the banks.
	Where you pay taxes directly to them.
	It's just amazing.
	And I... Every day, you know, it hits me.
	Man, this is a real fight.
	These people are real.
	The only reason they haven't killed me is because they don't want to underline everything I say.
	Put an exclamation point on it.
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	They don't want to make me a martyr.
	And I realize they could go ahead and do it anytime.
	They still do it.
	To many people that are prominent, just to scare people into submission.
	Then I realized, for the weak, for the innocent, for humanity, that's why we even exist, is because people fought and stood up against tyranny before us.
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	There's a lot of news here, but let's just go ahead and go to your calls now.
	Scott in Arizona, you're on the air.
	Hey Alex, how are you doing so far?
	Good, my friend.
	Hey, a question I have for you is a couple different ones.
	One being the news thing that you just had right now, where you just played that clip.
	Would you think the mainstream media would pick up on that?
	And since it's going to go YouTube, do you think they would play that?
	Are you getting me spammed?
	No, no, no, no.
	St.
	John's tried to bring it to the national media, and none of them have touched it.
	Except the Rolling Stone, and then they wrote a story about St.
	John Hunt, and then kind of the last paragraph said, oh, by the way, there's handwritten notes and audio tapes of his dad saying they ran the operation to kill Kennedy.
	And then the media said, oh, that isn't real.
	And so he released it, you know, the audio here on this show and on Coast to Coast AM and a few others.
	And then now for the first time, you see the video itself.
	So, of course, the establishment
	I mean, the Chicago Tribune and a few other publications reported that the NSA declassified, CIA declassified earlier this year, that it's true, Israel knowingly attacked the ship.
	Israel admits it.
	They have the NSA intercepts, which Israel knew.
	And what the pilot said about five years ago, they had an Israeli pilot apologize on Israeli TV and broke down crying and said, I refuse three times.
	They ordered me to do it anyways.
	That's an American ship.
	It's an American ship.
	They said, you will attack it.
	And they threatened him.
	And, uh,
	You know, so we already had his testimony, but now it's backed up by the declassified NSA intercept.
	So, but you'd think that would have become big national news that, oh, hey, all these books written, all these TV shows written by the establishment to debunk the men on that ship and the admirals and others on the aircraft carriers that had told the truth.
	And the later chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Moore, saying it was an inside job.
	You know, they don't want to admit they've been totally disproven.
	Just like they called us conspiracy theorists on Tonkin, wrote books, had TV shows debunking that Tonkin wasn't staged with the Destroyers, and now it's declassified and the LBJ tapes are released.
	So, no, they're not going to... People always say, where's the smoking gun?
	Smoking guns are everywhere!
	Stay there, I'll have you finished when we get back.
	Scott, and then everybody else that's patiently holding.
	But yeah, the new JFK information's up on InfoWars.com.
	Right now, world exclusive, E. Howard Hunt retells the JFK plot on video.
	We're on the march.
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	Look at the criminality you see on the streets.
	Business, and just the culture itself.
	Being toxified by the police.
	The fish rots from the head.
	Let's go.
	As they say.
	Think of the ridiculous spell, the illusion, the mesmerized public convinced for decades that there was no evil in government, no corruption, the government couldn't tie its shoelaces.
	There were no powerful interests, that nobody wanted to rule them or dominate them, nobody wanted to rule the world.
	And even as they set up their open world government, foreign by the banks, even as with one
	Okay, Adam, my other question is about the Biden-Powell comments about what's going on with, you know, they're talking about a crisis that will happen coming up in the new year.
	Do you believe that they're just doing fear-mongering, or do you believe that something will come up before then, or do you think that after the pandemic has passed, or is it more fear-mongering?
	I don't know.
	I knew they were going to launch the 9-11 attack because President Bush's approval rating was plunging.
	And I knew that their favorite tactic, they've been preparing the public saying terrorists are going to strike.
	When they strike, we're going to take all your freedoms away to keep you safe.
	And then they introduced Bin Laden on TV and said he's about to get you.
	And there were hundreds of other points and things I saw as they were preparing the public.
	Like we're children.
	And I do see them preparing the public again.
	The problem is they have done it so much in the last seven years since they staged the 9-11 attacks, seven years plus, that there's really no telling what they're going to do.
	I mean, the economic crisis is an economic 9-11.
	It could be a military strike.
	I mean, out of the blue, one morning you wake up and U.S.-backed
	Nato-Israel backed proxy, Georgia.
	Sneak attacks Russian held areas.
	International controlled zones.
	Sneak attack.
	Nato peacekeepers.
	Kill them.
	They had Georgian peacekeepers in with the UN slash Nato slash Russian contingent.
	Killing them.
	At point blank range.
	I mean just unbelievable sneak attacks.
	I mean, even high-intensity with artillery bombardments, but it started with low-intensity, point-blank commando-type attack.
	I mean, that's just as dirty as it gets.
	And then they had such disdain for the American people, the people of the world, that our media,
	Put the Georgian puppet president on TV saying, we've been snuck attacked, help us, help us, we're being snuck attacked by Russia.
	And of course I'm not saying Russia's good.
	Putin and the new president are obviously corrupt.
	I mean, that's the nature of power.
	99% of the time, and Russia's, I'm not saying, you know, run by angels and they kill a lot of media people and there's lots of corruption.
	It's just that the elite we've got in the West, the Anglo-American establishment, I mean, these are reckless people.
	They launched huge Hollywood-style terror attacks that kill 3,000 people.
	That's spectacular.
	Designed for media, with just event after event after event the same day, to get maximum coverage.
	They said close to 4 billion people were able to tune in.
	And then they launched preemptive attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan.
	All the bold things they've done here, and the bold sneak attack on Russia.
	I mean, just the sky's the limit with these people.
	They're geared up for bio-attacks that they'll undoubtedly in the future release, and train us to have a controlled society.
	I mean, and people don't want to hear this.
	They're like, oh that's scary, I don't want to hear it.
	They're the ones saying it's going to happen, and we know they're the ones that have done it over and over again.
	There's no doubt that the White House sent the anthrax letters.
	There's no doubt.
	That they're fear-mongering, saying we're going to be attacked by bio-weapons, chemical weapons, radiological weapons.
	There's no doubt they've got the will to do it.
	It gets them more power and control, and to them it's just collateral damage.
	It's a military mindset, a very corrupt one.
	And so, just God help us, these people are giving us no quarter.
	And they've got a public that knows they're being lied to now, but just can't face the horror that the elite is really this bad.
	That it's not a boss hog corruption.
	I mean, I'd pray for a boss hog corruption compared to this.
	Just looting and stealing and, you know, doing old-fashioned stuff that government does, and that's bad, but that's to almost be expected in history.
	But to have a hardcore, scientific, focused, vicious system
	You know, that puts out these George Bush puppets, and Bill Clinton puppets, and Barack Obama puppets, and the public thinks they actually run something, and it all becomes about the personality, and Saturday Night Live making jokes about them, and, oh, the leaders are just idiots, and, you know, the environmentalists are just morons.
	Well, yeah, they take your farm or ranch.
	They're not morons.
	They're businessmen.
	They're raiders who use it as a cover to steal your property.
	I mean, and all the genetic engineering and what it's doing to the environment, that's being ignored.
	And all these environmental zombies, you know, wanting to grab property and tax human respiration.
	It's just unspeakable.
	It's a nightmare.
	It's just all of it.
	I appreciate your call, Scott.
	I'm not trying to even be negative here.
	You know, people say, well, we'll be positive.
	Tell us the good stuff that's happened.
	If I don't... Look, I'm using the analogy, I'll use it again.
	Imagine seeing your neighbor's house.
	Your dog's barking.
	It's 2 a.m.
	in the morning.
	Your dog's barking.
	And you go and look out the window and you see flames coming out of the attic of your neighbor's house.
	And you run out front, you wait for a second, you're on your cordless phone, you call 9-1-1, some other neighbors are walking out in their pajamas, in their bathrobes, and you see smoke start coming out of, you know, now the top floor of the two-story house, and a couple minutes have gone by, and you notice there's a couple lights on in the house, and you go bang on the door, and somebody comes to the door with a nightcap on, rubbing their eyes, and you say, hey, your house on fire, get out, get out, you know, get your family, your children, get your animals out, and they say, hey, be positive!
	Well, why are you being so negative?
	And they're like, no, no, look, I mean, look, there's smoke in your house.
	Don't you know it's on fire?
	Get out of there!
	And they're like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
	No, I'm just going to think positive and I'm going to go back and get back in bed.
	And in fact, please don't wake me up again or I'll call the police on you.
	And you're like, no, no, no, please, your house is on fire.
	And so you say, well, I'm not going to stand here and let this happen.
	Now, most Americans have been conditioned to stand by nowadays, but I mean, my neighbor was acting this psychopathic and was this
	mesmerized or uh... hypnotized by whatever to knock them out of the house I'd go ahead and if they slam the door in my face I'd kick it down and start physically grabbing them and trying to get the house clear and then imagine in this corrupt system the police and fire department pull up and they would come up and tase me and say oh he's insane send him to the mental institution as the house collapses down and burns the family to death I mean everything we're talking about is documented admitted on the record
	And we have our own movement in denial.
	I was sent a YouTube video last night and in my email and I clicked on it about midnight and it was our... and I was reading the comments and I followed them back and it was quote, other patriots, other truth tellers saying, oh Alex Jones, you know, he's a David Icke nut now.
	Look at him making stuff up about goblin people.
	Now, I was reading what was in a bunch of British newspapers, and it had the quote by the scientist saying, humans are splitting into two different species, you know, this tall, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Superman and these little goblin-like creatures.
	But the person took the clip and said, oh look, he's making it up that there's goblin people, he's insane!
	That's why they only play about 10 seconds of the clip.
	But it wasn't the individual that was criticizing me.
	I mean, I understood that.
	I didn't mind that.
	I knew what they were doing.
	And that was clear.
	It was that the person that even sent me the email was saying, man, look at you.
	I used to listen to you, but you're clearly a nut just putting out this info now.
	In fact, let me just go to Google right now and illustrate this.
	Humans to split into two species.
	Humans to split into two species.
	I spelled that wrong.
	I spelled it so bad Google can't even.
	Hold on.
	Oh, I didn't put a space in there.
	That's the problem.
	Humans.
	There we go.
	That's not coming up.
	I found it last night when I was looking for it.
	Let me Google goblin-like creature.
	Goblin-like creature.
	Well, the point is I'll find the article.
	It's hard to do while I'm here talking on air, but if you type in
	Humanity, I think is the headline, is split into two different species.
	It was... when the sign of a report came out by a prestigious institution, uh, it was in a whole bunch of newspapers.
	You know, that's just like if I'm... Well, I still have people emailing me, saying, you're lying, there's no such thing as part human, part animal clones.
	And I remember ten years ago,
	Yeah, it was more than that.
	It was 1997, seeing BBC headlines about how they'd already created animal-human clones, but they had just terminated them in the embryonic phase.
	And of course, obviously, that's just what they're publicly saying.
	And I've told the stories of people coming up to me on the street, one time in a restaurant,
	The guy tapped me on the shoulder, I was picking up a pizza, and he said, I used to listen to you, but now I know you're a liar.
	There's no such thing as part goat, part spiders.
	And I said, well, it's CBS News.
	I had the head of the company on.
	He said, no, you're a liar.
	And I'm calling you out as a liar.
	I said, fine, I'm a liar.
	I mean, there are spider goats.
	There are human pig, human cow clones.
	I mean, I actually have a news article about that today.
	Where is it?
	This is, um, Agency French Press lawmakers back animal-human embryo research.
	The lower house of parliament approved legislation Wednesday allowing scientists to create animal-human embryos for medical research in the biggest shake-up of embryo laws in two decades.
	I mean, they were doing this in England and the U.S.
	at least ten years ago.
	Despite opposition from religious and pro-life groups, members of Parliament, and the House of Commons, back the Human Embryology and Fertilization Bill 355, votes to 129, it will now go to the vote of the House of Lords and could be law by November.
	But see, my detractors don't care.
	They'll just cut out me talking about goblin creatures, human cow creatures, and then just say, look at how he's insane, but then people in our quote, own awakening movement will say, yeah, Alex is making it up.
	I'm not making anything up!
	I'm not making any of it up!
	None of it up!
	And you ignore it!
	It's your own peril!
	And I'm sick of the denial!
	I am tired of it!
	I've had enough of it!
	I really have!
	I mean, denial has been bred into us, and I... I don't even know what to say.
	I gotta hurry, because I got a guest coming up, and I want to get to your calls.
	Randy in L.A., go ahead.
	How are you doing today, Alex?
	Good, my friend.
	Well, I'm calling today because I've been following the case of Berg v. Obama, and I think it's taken some very interesting turns of late, with the Obama camp unable to, or not replying in time to Berg's allegations that Obama was born in Kenya, which is a de facto admission of the charges.
	So, what is your take on where this whole case is going?
	I know Corsi's in Hawaii right now checking into it.
	I'm going to get him on.
	uh... in the next few days and uh... you know what that that isn't even the reason that that obama's bad he's bad because both the candidates are controlled by the new world order but he's gotten three times the wall street four times the goldman sachs money that mccain's got that's all you know they ran that chipmunk
	Uh... nut.
	Or the albino chipmunk.
	Yes, against all of the mean albinos.
	The point is, I got pretty white skin myself, the point is, is that they are running him like they ran Bob Dole against Clinton in 96.
	He is meant to lose.
	But hey, the public isn't gonna believe it.
	They gotta find out.
	And then by the time they figure out they've been taken for a ride by Barack Obama,
	They'll be a new Republican savior for them.
	And then when they figure out they're being taken for a ride there, and you know, now I'm a right-wing fascist because I don't like Obama, and just a few months ago I was a hardcore commie, according to the neocons, because I didn't like Bush.
	And it's just, this is how it goes.
	So, for 48 years I'm now going to be a right-wing fascist, and then in 48 years, when it's a Republican, I'll be a commie again.
	You know, it's just the public's gotta learn.
	But the good news is, in the past, they were fooled by the left-right bait-and-switch.
	When Congress has got an 11% approval rating, and in these polls, it's only about 60% saying they're gonna vote for either candidate, so that's like 30-something for Obama and 20-something for McCain.
	I mean, neither one of them have a majority support out there.
	So, the good news is, the people know.
	They're just hoping things get better with Obama.
	And I got news for you.
	You're gonna see change, folks.
	It's going to get real bad.
	It's going to get a lot worse.
	So just get ready.
	Anything else?
	That's it Alex.
	I have to agree.
	The people do seem to know.
	I've been posting this question on Yahoo Answers and so far I see about one in eight are saying yeah, this definitely needs to be looked into further.
	Alright my friend.
	Kevin in Missouri, you're on the air.
	Hey, how's it going?
	I was actually calling about the Byrd case as well, but I wanted to follow up on it with a slightly different
	The Judge, Obama, none of them will answer the questions.
	That's right.
	A lot of separate experts have looked at the certificate of birth.
	It clearly looks like it's been falsified.
	But, I mean, it's not just that.
	I mean, where there's smoke, there's fire.
	This guy, and I'm not bashing Muslims or people with foreign names, but, I mean, if his name was, you know, David Jones or Tom Jones, and he was a black guy, and his family had been here for a hundred years, two hundred years, people would trust him a lot more.
	I mean, I don't trust Schwarzenegger because, you know, he's a foreigner, his daddy was a Nazi.
	And I made a film about that.
	And I get emails saying you're anti-German when I'm, you know, half-Germanic.
	But the point is, Alsatian and German.
	So French, German, and German on both sides of my mother's family.
	But, I mean, you know, I'm against Schwarzenegger because, you know, questionable ties.
	And I'm definitely against Obama.
	Because, I mean, the guy did have a foreign daddy.
	His mommy was a commie.
	I mean, flat out communist.
	The guy's surrounded by them.
	Communists killed over 150 million people last century.
	But he's not some commie plant, folks.
	He's a foundation banker plant.
	That's why you got communists and bankers always thick as thieves.
	Go ahead.
	My concern was kind of with the Constitution, like, you know, if this gets through at all,
	It seems like it'll kind of circumvent the Constitution without due process of law by allowing a foreigner to become president.
	And I was wondering, you know, if that happens, do you think that will go through, like, where that'll almost be, like, a commonality where foreigners can be elected president?
	Well, notice Schwarzenegger is saying Palin can't be vice president or president.
	See, that's another little tip-off.
	Schwarzenegger's basically going for Obama.
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	A terrorist act of war against this country.
	The enemy struck America on September 11th.
	But who is the enemy?
	Bin Laden.
	This is his ammo.
	We have to look to the Middle East.
	We have to look to Osama Bin Laden.
	Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
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	I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
	Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijacker's ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, warnings and war games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
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	I wish a buck was still silver It was back when the country was strong Back before Elvis And before the Vietnam War came along Before the Beatles and yesterday
	When a man could still work and still would.
	It's the best of the free life behind us now.
	And are the good times really over with you?
	I like the end of the song.
	Let's go ahead here and talk to Mike in Florida.
	You're on the air, Mike.
	Hi, Alex.
	First-time caller, long-time listener, PrisonPlanet.tv member, military veteran.
	Now, that being said, I'm referencing E. Howard Hunt's
	Thank you so much for putting this out.
	It's unbelievable.
	I have to reference the television show, The X-Files, in the episode, Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man, when the person that was called to take out Kennedy sitting in the waiting room, they reference him and say, alright, you can go in now, Mr. Hunt.
	I believe they're referencing him as he was the one that was in the sewer that pulled the trigger.
	I don't know that to be true.
	Well, do you know where the CIA recruited E. Howard Hunt?
	No, I don't.
	He was OSS when there was a secret war in China before the war even got fully declared and he was a top sniper in World War II against the Japanese in China.
	So he was OSS and then he was OSS at the end of the war in Germany helping bring in Nazis.
	Operation Paperclip.
	Right on.
	And uh, just real quick.
	The series, The X-Files, how relevant do you believe that show is?
	I'm wondering where they got most of that information from, because most of the show is really before the internet got huge in the early 90s, 94, 95, when Operation Paperclip was one of the episodes on The X-Files.
	What they do is they mix Operation Paperclip and GMO, Deadly Sunflowers, and
	All this real stuff with purple-green pus-head aliens and worm creatures and devil cults and chubacabras.
	And so then it kind of just discredits the whole thing.
	But I've talked to several people high-level with the X-Files, one of them on air, Dean Haglund, who is also not just a star in X-Files, but also a star in the Lone Gunman, the spinoff.
	And I got a call a couple years ago, and most people have already heard this story, but you may not if you're asking a question.
	And I get a call, and it's, um, uh, hi, uh, this is Dean Haglin.
	I was given your number by a radio producer I was a guest on, KLBJ, uh, 93.7, and I told him I'm a fan of you and I'd like to talk to you.
	Can I, can I, uh, come by and see you?
	I'm coming to town next week.
	Like, I'm coming to town?
	What for?
	I'm coming to town to see you.
	And I said, okay, and I called the producer and talked to him.
	Oh, yeah, that's really Dean Haglin.
	I was like, wow, because he's in quite a few movies and other things.
	And so when we get back, I'll briefly, when we start the next hour, then we'll get Robert Grodin on at the 8 after, John.
	I'll come back, so stay there.
	Mike in Florida.
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	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	Alright, we have probably the most informed individual from the day one when Kennedy was killed.
	He was in Baltimore smuggling out the
	We may have a surprise guest in the fourth hour today, but regardless, we're taking your calls all day, covering the news.
	Finishing up with Mike in Florida.
	I was telling the story, he was saying, you know, the X-Files had so much stuff that's really happened, so many real things, like getting the Nazis into the U.S., Operation Paperclip.
	I was talking about how they were doing that as disinformation to try to integrate
	Chupacabras and space aliens and things that can't be proven and probably aren't real in the case of Chupacabras, and with real things, that discredits it all.
	But Dean Hagelin calls, wants to talk to me, the star of both TV shows, one of the stars, shows up and says, listen, and the video interview I did at my house is up on PrisonPlanet.tv, it's also all over the web.
	Then later we had him in studio, he came back a year later in the studio where I sit, and he had seen my report about how
	The first episode of The Lone Gunman, the new X-Files series, six months before 9-11, a criminal group inside the Pentagon and defense contractors hijack a jumbo jet by remote control to fly to the World Trade Center.
	They use a drill of hijacked jets flying into the tower to make NORAD stand down.
	They're going to blame it on Afghan rebels so they can smart bomb them and start World War III and have arms sales and invade the Middle East and Central Asia.
	Now, I mean, how would you make a report, make a movie, where basically exactly what happened, happened?
	Now, that blew him away, and he said, listen, I talked to Chris Carter and others, and the CIA and NASA and others would come to him and say, hey, here's a script, here's an idea, we'd like to see you incorporate this.
	And he wouldn't go any further than that.
	And believe me, he was scared.
	So I had that directly from the horse's mouth.
	Directly.
	And you saw it on air.
	Again, just amazing.
	This is called predictive programming.
	Where they show you something so your subconscious is ready to accept it when it happens.
	It's just unbelievable.
	Anything else, Mike?
	No, that pretty much does it.
	But Alex, I really want to thank you and everyone else out there that has woken up.
	And a quote from the cigarette smoking man in the X-Files.
	People need to think about this.
	He said, ease a man's conscience and you can take his freedom.
	But people wake up.
	And thank you very much, Alex.
	I appreciate it.
	That's right.
	They tell us it's okay.
	The government's not bad.
	Lay down.
	They're just stupid.
	And again, I was sent an email with a video clip of myself taking out a contact, making fun of me.
	And I don't care about our enemies who get at me together to, you know, say things like, I hate America, you know, when I was singing the, you know, a fictional song by the New World Order, exposing how they hate America.
	I mean, that's the kind of stuff they do, but this latest one is that I saw people in the, quote, Patriot movement, you know, seizing on anything to attack me.
	Oh, look, Alex is making up goblin people.
	When I sat on air,
	The BBC is reporting that human species may split into two.
	That's the headline.
	BBC.
	And I pulled it up.
	There it is, BBC.
	October 17, 2006.
	Evolutionary theorist Oliver Currie of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge.
	People would become choosier about their sexual partners, causing humanity to delve and divide into two subspecies, he added.
	The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and far cry from the underclass humans, who would have evolved into a dim-witted, ugly, squat, goblin-like creature.
	And then it shows an artist's rendering of the superhumans versus the goblin creature.
	I have to say, a lot of the public actually looks like the goblin creature now, from McDonald's and the rest of it.
	But, uh, and then I was saying, that all comes from H.G.
	Wells and other futurists and theorists, uh, in non-fiction books they wrote.
	Um, I mean, they all talk like that.
	The Darwin's, they already believe they're two species from interbreeding.
	And then that's mainline eugenics.
	And, uh, I mean, just a whole bunch of other scientists and writers, and, I mean, that's what the elite believes.
	And then that's what I was reporting.
	Okay?
	Whatever, make up whatever you want.
	I just want our good people out there listening to understand the type of deceptions that are being worked out there against us.
	A day unlike any other in the long course of American history.
	A terrorist act of war against this country.
	The enemy struck America on September 11th.
	But who is the enemy?
	Bin Laden.
	This is his MO.
	We have to look to the Middle East.
	We have to look to Osama Bin Laden.
	Fabled Enemies is the first 9-11 film to take a close look at the terrorist ties to intelligence networks inside the United States.
	Some U.S.
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	I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained.
	Bin Laden's connections to the CIA, the hijacker's ties to the FBI, the Saudi Arabian connection, the Israeli intelligence network, warnings and war games, the shadow government, and much, much more.
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	International bankers and power brokers have engineered the current crisis to create a new currency and a new world bank to act as savior.
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	You want answers?
	Well, so does he.
	He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
	And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
	He doesn't like talking about himself, but I'm going to make him talk about himself so you understand the magnitude of the depth, the breadth of knowledge that he has.
	I mean, there's no one living that I know who's been this close to the case.
	He was the chief advisor and researcher on the film JFK.
	Just an amazing individual, Robert J. Grodin.
	I think it's important for him to tell you where he was the day it happened, how he got involved, what he saw.
	He even has some other evidence that is no secret of the government he has, and it'll be out in a new book he's making.
	I would be scared to death to even have this.
	I've seen it.
	Unbelievable.
	Unbelievable.
	And, you know, then we have the funeral.
	The funeral.
	Um, director on, who's gonna be in my new film.
	He lives here in Austin.
	He's a very wealthy guy, ended up building a whole chain of funeral homes across the country.
	Um,
	And we interviewed him here in studio.
	We were going to come interview him the next week and he got run off the road and almost killed an hour before we were going to interview him at his house.
	I'm not saying that was the government, but St.
	John Hunt out on a lonely road had a car come up and basically bump his bumper, pull around him, try to run him off the cliffs in Northern California.
	He got home, his whole house was torn apart, papers stolen, everything rifled through, nothing taken but papers.
	I mean, this is, you get around this Kennedy thing,
	Um, it's like when I cover Bilderberg this year and we got death threats and women calling up saying I've gotten them pregnant to my wife and dirty tricks.
	I mean, that's when you know how real this is.
	So, um, getting into this JFK thing, I've always had guest on the cover, but making a film and really getting into it, uh, 45 years later, they are still all over it to protect the system because the sons and grandsons and some of the still living people involved are alive and in the power structure.
	And I think Bruce Willis said it best after he woke up from seeing my films.
	He told Vanity Fair that the same people that killed Kennedy are the ones running the shadow government and running things in 9-11 today.
	Yeah, we woke up Bruce Willis.
	That's exciting.
	So for the next two hours, Robert Grodin is our guest.
	And Robert, let's take it slow.
	Let's talk about who you are.
	I mean, you're the guy that got the Subruder film leaked and so much more.
	At great risk yourself, a secret agent for liberty and freedom, now public.
	And we're just honored to have you.
	So spend about the first 10 minutes on yourself and where you've testified and just the whole saga.
	It's just amazing.
	Well, Alex, my interest in the Kennedy case started the day it happened.
	It was my 18th birthday that day.
	And I somehow felt connected to it that way and started researching it and investigating everything that was available about it from the beginning.
	And in 1969, through absolute luck, there was no magic powers involved in this thing.
	I actually got to work on the original Zapruder film and was able to blow it up from 8mm to 35mm and then to
	Yeah, I think so.
	I kept very quiet about it because it was very plain for anybody to see who would see the film that the shot came from the front, struck the President in the right temple and threw him to the rear.
	So I kept quiet about it except to a very select handful of researchers within the research community, the credible ones.
	And I got talked into showing it at Georgetown University in November of 73 for the 10th anniversary.
	And I showed it and there was a big response to it at the time, but it remained within that context.
	And then in February of 1975, I was asked to show it again at Boston University.
	At a major conference called the Politics of Conspiracy.
	This time it was picked up as a national news story, and it broke the case wide open.
	Within days, I was asked to present the evidence before Congress, and I did.
	And Congressman Tom Downing of Virginia introduced legislation to reopen the Kennedy case, based on what the film, the photographic evidence showed.
	He had me named Staff Photographic Consultant to the House Assassinations Committee.
	That's right, a lot of Americans don't know that the House later found, what they say, 95% sure it was a conspiracy, a government killing.
	I mean, the average American doesn't know that the Congress has even found that.
	That's correct.
	The House Committee ruled that it was a 95% certainty or greater.
	Just to digress, because I interrupted, but before I forget this, what did you think when the Dallas Morning News came out and said,
	It's been looked at.
	The government's even looked at it.
	The fragments found in Connelly don't match the bullet.
	I mean, on its face, this bullet shoots through all this, you know, the car, two different people, all these bones.
	It isn't damaged.
	I mean, it's childish how ridiculous it is that Los Alamos looks at it and says it's a conspiracy and the acoustics show they killed him multiple shots.
	I mean, it's incredible.
	But I'm sorry, continue with, you've gotten up to testifying to Congress.
	Well, the first group that I testified to was the Rockefeller Commission.
	That was back in 1975.
	You mentioned E. Howard Hunt.
	I testified in 1975 about Hunt's involvement in this, decades before all this new stuff came out.
	The record that I testified about that is available in the National Archives.
	It does exist.
	Uh, and then the next group I testified to was the Senate Intelligence Committee, uh, the Church Committee.
	And then, uh, to the Househood Committee on Assassinations, the same group that I worked for for, uh, nearly three years.
	And, uh, then the Assassination Records Review Board testified for five full days to them.
	Uh, and there absolutely is no question about the fact that there was a conspiracy.
	The question could be raised as to who was involved in that conspiracy.
	But there certainly was a conspiracy.
	There was more than one shooter.
	There's no question about that.
	Sure, but we're going to get into that later because it's very important.
	But I want to first, again, your whole saga, your whole journey, you know, now every week for years down there at the Grassy Knoll in downtown Dallas.
	I mean, you're probably the most dedicated person, because I've really been
	Well, I've been working on the case for my entire adult life, from the time I was 18 until about 15 years ago.
	And I became aware that everybody in the Dallas area who had been working on the Kennedy case had died.
	Virtually everyone.
	There was virtually no one left who was doing any credible work.
	And several people who had been involved in the case started selling out to the other side.
	Some for great amounts of money.
	And I made the decision to move down to the Dallas area from Philadelphia.
	Try to pick up where the others had left off, because the other side was winning by default.
	There was no one to challenge.
	The Sixth Floor Museum, which now exists in the old Texas School Book Depository building, their mandate was to present all sides of the issue fairly and equally.
	Well, obviously they have not done that.
	They sold out very early on and will only present the Warrant Commission side of the story.
	uh... it's absolutely uh... horrendous what they've done the amount of damage that they've done through the years people that have uh... for decades been on our side of the issue to try to get the truth out uh... now you can't get them to admit that there was a conspiracy in spite of all the evidence so they present only the war commission side and they were winning by default i thought there needed to be a voice of reason on the other side down here so my wife and i made the decision that i would move down here
	And carry the standard as it will, and present the evidence to visitors to Dealey Plaza so that they will know that there is an alternative to the official fiction.
	And that's where I've been now for 15 years.
	Is it safe to say you've talked to a million people down there?
	More than that.
	Certainly more than that.
	They expect that there's a million visitors a year to Dealey Plaza.
	And I've been there for 15 years.
	Now I've been told they've also tried to harass you and use the police and things to push you off the knoll.
	That's absolutely correct.
	They've thrown me in jail for it.
	I've been arrested.
	I've been ticketed more than 80 times.
	Harassed over 400 times.
	I've been attacked in the plaza, one guy with a knife, one with a baseball bat, one with a heavy stick.
	They tried to run me over twice in the parking lot in Dealey Plaza.
	But it goes on and on.
	Obviously, I'm bothering somebody.
	The city manager, the Dallas city manager, gave orders to the police to come and arrest me.
	They've sent in Homeland Security, with machine guns, saying I was a terrorist.
	This has been going on for quite some time, and if I wasn't right, that wouldn't be happening.
	It's just incredible, and that's when you really know that you're onto something, is when you
	Get the threats, the harassment, you know, not just dealing with police harassment, and then we'll go through all the evidence itself on the case, you know, the physical evidence.
	But, I mean, I think that some of the strongest evidence is the threats, the harassment, the deaths, and I want to talk about those when we get back.
	I mean, have you ever been threatened, or how many times have you been threatened?
	Well, I've been threatened quite a bit.
	The phone threats are one thing, but the actual attacks in the plaza are something else again.
	There was one time when I was in the plaza and a guy came up with a hunting knife and tried to stab me.
	We stopped him, we caught him, called the police four times.
	They refused to come.
	We finally had to let him go.
	Yeah, that's how it works.
	Their people are allowed to do whatever they want.
	Dallas is a very wicked city.
	Because you got a bunch of delusional fake Christians running it.
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	A lot to talk about.
	Robert Grodin, the guy that got the SubRooter film out, and a lot more.
	He's not tooting his horn here, folks.
	This guy has, frankly, contributed more than anybody to exposing it.
	That's when the military-industrial complex fully took over the country.
	Now we've seen all their other exploits.
	Their fame when it comes to evil.
	The gangsterism.
	Yeah, Robert, break down the physical threats, the phone calls, what they're like, what you've gone through.
	I mean, let me guess, do they like to call your wife up and pretend that they're girlfriends of yours?
	I'm not sure that that ever happened, although I suspected that perhaps something like that may have.
	Well, no, that's a favorite they do to me, but go ahead.
	I had a terrific time with the National Enquirer some years ago.
	When I had moved down here to Texas, the Enquirer
	Yeah, I just had The National Geographic's doing another 9-11 truth hit piece
	Uh-huh.
	And they're real sneaky and fake on the phone.
	They called my wife yesterday and were like, what's it like living with him?
	Do you like it?
	Oh, it must be interesting trying to get her to talk crap.
	And you know, it's not that I don't want to go on a hit piece, because I don't mind.
	I just don't want to be around the unsavory types.
	It's not that I'm even afraid of being in a hit piece.
	I think I'm going to just go ahead and do it.
	It's just that they're just such low-lives.
	But go ahead.
	No, I absolutely agree.
	They absolutely are.
	They control the business.
	They really do.
	The flow of information gets so muddied and so confusing that people that want to learn the truth have such a hard time trying to work their way through all the garbage that's out there.
	They just get tired of it and many walk away.
	There's a lot of intriguing stuff that sounds good, sounds interesting, but isn't.
	And that just tires people out.
	It's very, very difficult.
	Even researchers in the case that know what they're talking about get confused with some of the... Well, we're going to get into that, and from your view, Robert Grodin's unique and well-documented view of what really happened.
	But let's talk about harassment threats.
	I think all the murders is, again, more evidence of the fact that it was an inside job.
	Speak to the murders.
	Well, absolutely.
	There were a great many people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
	Good people, disinterested people, bad guys, throughout the spectrum.
	Of people.
	They've died.
	Hundreds and hundreds of them.
	Everyone's familiar with the stuff at the end of the movie, Executive Action, where they talk about the first 18 or 19 or 20 people being killed.
	But that's all we knew about at the time.
	We've learned, since then, a great, great deal more have actually died because of it.
	The number now is well over 400.
	And yes, of course, there's a certain
	Percentage of them that are natural causes.
	There's no question about that.
	Just because somebody witnessed the Kennedy assassination or was connected in some minor way to it doesn't mean they're going to live forever.
	But there's a disproportionate number of unsolved homicides, questionable deaths, situations where there should have been autopsies and were not, and out-and-out murders.
	One man killed with a karate chop, one shot to death at a police station by a police officer playing quick-draw, a woman hung in her jail cell.
	Uh, and on and on and on.
	It's very, very bizarre.
	Some of the more famous than others.
	Dorothy Kilgallen, the only reporter who interviewed Jack Ruby from the time he shot Oswald until the time he himself died.
	She's one.
	Lee Bowers, who was in the railroad tower.
	In the parking lot behind the depository who saw the assassination take place.
	Yeah, saw Hunt and others scurrying around, Sturgis.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And knew more than he ever told.
	He learned early on that the Warren Commission did not want to know what he had to say.
	And whenever he started talking about what he saw, they would always lead him away from it.
	He said he realized they didn't want to know, so he kept quiet.
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	And, uh, dead men tell no tales.
	And I just try to tell whistleblowers all the time, you had better spill it all and get it all out or you are deader than a hammer.
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	Robert Grodin, the hardest working, most focused JFK researcher, the guy that got the Sabruder film out.
	Photos of Kennedy's head blown open like a pumpkin and so much more.
	And, you know, you are the expert in all this.
	You are the master, as they say.
	So, I've thrown out some of my questions.
	Let's finish up with all these bizarre deaths and murders and the threats and the rest of it, which, again, is prima facie evidence.
	And then get into all the hard evidence.
	I mean, you've won the fight.
	We've won the fight.
	Ninety-plus percent of Americans know they're lying about it.
	And then that's when the shadow government took over, so we can also talk about that.
	But I think people from the preeminent expert need to hear what the real evidence is and lay it out.
	So, you've got the floor, sir.
	Well, you speak very kindly and I do appreciate that.
	What I would suggest is that the most important evidence that I've been able to develop, except for the Zipruder film itself, of course, which, you know, stands on its own,
	I interviewed, when I worked for the House Assassinations Committee as a photographic researcher, I actually had the opportunity to question and videotape the Dallas doctors who had never spoken before or since about what they had seen.
	And they were unanimous that the fatal shot came from the front.
	Whenever the Discovery Channel or the History Channel or any of those people do any of the horrible excuses for documentaries that they've been showing the last couple of years, please notice that they avoid the Dallas Doctors like the plague.
	The doctors had nothing to gain, nothing on their own.
	In my interviews with them, they were absolutely unanimous that the shot came from the right front.
	And these are people who unfortunately all except six or seven of them now are all dead.
	And the interviews I was able to do with them are the only thing that captured for history their observations.
	So I'd say that that is among the most important of all the evidence that's out there.
	These are professional people.
	Now, the other side, the idiots on the other side who say, well, they weren't forensic pathologists.
	So what?
	These are doctors who worked on a daily basis with gunshot wounds, knew what they were talking about, and they saw the body.
	They saw the President.
	They saw him while he was still breathing, for crying out loud.
	How dare the people on the other side, specifically people like Bouliosi and Posner and the rest of them, how dare they ignore or pretend to ignore the observations of these professional people?
	It's absolutely inexcusable.
	If you watch a documentary and they avoid what the Dallas Doctors said, it's a dishonest documentary.
	It's that simple.
	There's no easier way to put it.
	The idea, for instance, of the single bullet theory that one bullet went through both men, Governor Connolly and then after hitting President Kennedy.
	If you line up the wounds in the President's back and Governor Connolly's back, you find that the wound in the President's throat, which was described by everyone who saw it as an entrance wound in the first place, but even ignoring that, it's six inches too high to go through a flight path.
	And the other side will say, well, we don't have any pictures at the moment of the single bullet, so we don't know how high they were sitting.
	That's an absolute lie.
	There's a photograph taken at the exact moment that the single bullet was supposed to have happened.
	And we see exactly how high they were in relationship to each other.
	All of this is all going to be in my new book, which is called JFK Absolute Proof.
	Hopefully it should be out within the next couple of months.
	But, you know, the photographic evidence was basically withheld by the government for decades.
	The Warren Commission released very, very little of it.
	I myself have already released over 1,200, and I'm releasing 800 more in the new book.
	So that's 2,000 photographs that the government tried to ignore or pretend didn't exist.
	The evidence is there, and your audience is a thinking audience.
	They'll be able to tell for themselves, and I'm sure that they're aware of the conspiracy.
	I'm sure that it's no secret to them.
	Well, let me continue.
	Continue.
	I mean, you've got the floor.
	I want you to really be able to run, sir.
	Oh my goodness.
	Well, let's see.
	How about a, uh...
	Two and a half page document signed by the Director of the CIA admitting three things.
	Number one, that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill the President.
	Number two, that he worked for the CIA.
	And number three, that he was sent to the Soviet Union on a mission from the United States.
	Signed by the Director of the CIA himself, John McCone.
	That's out there.
	That exists.
	Let's see, what else?
	How about the issue of the President's brain being missing from the National Archives as of 1966 that we know of, probably before that.
	Well, we know where the brain is.
	I'm going to reveal that in the new book, too.
	I've got photographs of it.
	The other side just constantly lies to us about what does exist or what doesn't exist.
	The evidence just goes on and on.
	Oh, one thing that's in the new book that you'll find fascinating, at the time when Lee Harvey Oswald was taken to Parkland Hospital in the life-saving efforts to try to save his life, there were seven rolls of film taken of him while he was still breathing and on the operating table.
	Well, these rolls of film were not even processed, weren't even developed until last year.
	So Kennedy was one tough cookie?
	The President?
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, these photographs that exist, there are 85 usable images of Oswald while they were trying to save his life.
	And some of the pictures actually showed the heart monitor showing a good, strong heartbeat.
	He should have survived.
	Yeah, I meant to say, I was thinking about Kennedy.
	But he didn't.
	Obviously, I knew you were talking about
	Oswald there.
	Because I have on my mind the photos you have of the No One Scene of Kennedy on the table.
	Yeah, there's some that, as a matter of fact, there was one photograph I found in the National Archives when I was working for the House Assassinations Committee, that to this day is still not in the official inventory.
	It's a series of black and white photographs taken on 120 format film.
	They're all black and white.
	And they show the president lying on a table from the left side.
	We see him from the left side.
	Most of the damage to his head was on the right side.
	But you see him lying there, and this roll of film is described in the official inventory as being blank, with no image.
	Well, there's at least a half a dozen images on that roll of film.
	They're all pretty much identical.
	And describe that for us, and let's go back to Lee Harvey Oswald, because I interrupted, but I mean, I mean, you're happy to, I mean, you can describe it, can't you, before the book comes out?
	I think it's dangerous to even have now announced that you've, you know, had this at the Knolls so much, and it isn't public.
	I mean, I mean, the whole back of the head is just completely blown out, and that contradicts what they officially said.
	Yes, there's a massive hole in the rear of his head, just slightly larger than a grown man's fist.
	And that's the way it was described.
	By the way, it looks like they folded the flaps back in.
	I mean, I disagree.
	I think it's bigger than a man's fist.
	I mean, it's just a giant, gaping thing.
	And you can see, at least when I was allowed to look at it, that they had folded some of the flaps back in.
	Well, that may very well be true.
	What they actually did, what someone within the government did, is they actually took that photograph
	And they did something called a soft edge matte insert process.
	And to fool the researchers, not the researchers, but the investigators within the case, within the government, who had the ability to see the photographs, because they still have not been formally released.
	They actually superimposed the back of somebody else's head to disguise this massive exit wound in the rear of his head.
	Uh, we have... Yeah, that's the big issue.
	You have the fake photos that were put out, and then an artist's renderings, and then you have the real ones.
	That's correct.
	I mean, there's evidence right there!
	That's correct.
	A cover-up, and that's the evidence of the crime right there!
	Well, you know, when the House Assassinations Committee was going to begin their investigation, they were going to start from square one.
	Absolutely.
	Start absolutely as an unsolved homicide and work from there.
	And that would have worked.
	It could have worked.
	But instead, when it was taken over by people with connections to the CIA, and unfortunately that is the truth, that's what happened, they dumped that whole aspect of it, started with the preconceived conclusion that Oswald was guilty, and worked from that point.
	They ignored the original concept completely, and when you start with that, the way they did it is they took each individual piece of evidence,
	And they weighed that individual piece of evidence against the total weight of the Warren report.
	If you take each one and you weigh it and then see which one weighs more and throw out each individual piece, then you end up with nothing.
	But if you took all those individual little pieces and weighed them against the Warren Report, all those pieces far outweigh the Warren Report, but they didn't do it that way.
	So they started with the conclusion that Oswald was guilty, and until they got to the acoustics evidence, that's the way they dealt with it.
	The acoustics evidence was so strong on its own that they couldn't hide it anymore.
	They had to admit that there was a conspiracy.
	But by then, they had thrown away so much supporting evidence
	That many people feel that the acoustics evidence was all that they had, and that's not true at all.
	You know, they had testimony of a man named Robert Knudsen.
	Mr. Knudsen was a photographer.
	He was supposed to be on the trip to Dallas, but he had gotten something into his eye and had to see a doctor, so he didn't go.
	But he was called in to play as an autopsy photographer that evening.
	When the President's body was back there, he took photographs, he was there as a witness, and he saw the angles of the shots, he saw the massive wound on the rear of the President's head, and he testified to the House Flood Committee on Assassinations that the photographs and evidence now did not represent the President's head as it was that night.
	And they had that, and they buried it.
	The House Committee never even admitted that they even spoke to Robert Knudsen.
	We didn't find out about that until the Assassination Record Review Board, years and years later.
	Okay, I want to go back, as I interrupted you, when you were talking about Lee Harvey Oswald still being alive.
	Go back over that in a minute, and then finish up.
	Okay, Lee Oswald, you know, the official story, or one of the official stories we've heard through the years,
	Is that Lee had died on the way to the hospital, that he never survived, that he was dead on arrival when he got to Parkland.
	And they tried and they tried and they tried for an hour to try to revive him, and of course they couldn't.
	Well that's not true.
	Lee was doing fine.
	They were controlling much of the bleeding, although there was a lot of damage done.
	The photographs I have of him, he's cut open, he's lying on the table, they're doing heart massage, they're removing damaged parts of his body.
	But they also show the heart monitor.
	And his heart monitor had a good, strong, solid, steady heartbeat.
	There is no way he should have died.
	And by the way, officially, he did not die from the gunshot wound itself, per se, but rather from shock.
	As a result of the gunshot wound.
	So, there's a lot of questions as to his dying.
	Of course, by now, almost everyone who's familiar with the Kennedy case is aware that there was a phone call made to the operating room directly from President Johnson, stating to the doctors that he wanted a confession from Oswald before he died, knowing that he would die.
	Which is very strange.
	Let's talk about Dallas itself, and then, well, finish what you're making now, and then Dallas.
	Because, I mean, Dallas was a heart of CIA police corruption.
	I grew up there.
	A perfect place with a kind of brainwashed public believing in mom and apple pie and the government's all loving.
	A very serious, cold-blooded police department with connections to the CIA director and others in the department.
	I mean, why Dallas was chosen, but finish up.
	Well, why Dallas was chosen was because it was absolutely a hotbed of ultra-right-wing fanaticism.
	Lyndon Johnson and others had a great deal of control in Dallas.
	It would be much easier to control the investigation and the cover-up here than it would almost anywhere else in the country.
	Everybody would cooperate.
	Nobody would argue with the
	With the official investigation, which by the way, let me point that out too.
	The official investigation historically into the Kennedy assassination was done by the Warren Commission.
	The Warren Commission had absolutely no legal power at all.
	It was the President's Commission investigating a local crime.
	The death of President Kennedy was not a federal crime.
	It was a local Dallas crime.
	The investigation should have been controlled either by the Dallas District Attorney or by the Texas State Attorney General's Office.
	No matter what the Warren Commission did, they could do nothing.
	They had subpoena power, but that was it.
	And they didn't really even use it.
	They could have subpoenaed Jack Ruby out of the Dallas area, brought him to Washington, where he could have told them the truth about what happened, as he pleaded with them to do.
	And they ignored him.
	They paid no attention to him.
	They told him that they didn't have the power to get him out of here, and Jack Ruby, this petty crook, this mobster who had been involved with Al Capone from the time he was a child, until he moved out of the Chicago area,
	Uh, he asked Earl Warren, he says, well, uh, Mr. Chief Justice, you do have subpoena power, don't you?
	And the Chief Justice of the United States, one of the two or three highest ranking law enforcement officials in the world, had to admit that this petty crook had him on a point of law.
	So, you know, they refused to get him out of here.
	They said, Jack, if you feel you're in danger, we can terminate this interview anytime.
	That's not how you find the truth.
	What about Ruby's death?
	Ruby's death, of course, will always remain a mystery.
	Many people feel that he knew he had cancer, so it was easy to control him and get him to do this.
	Well, I know the doctor who had diagnosed Jack with Ruby two years later.
	Apparently, Jack had no idea that he had cancer, and he may not have originally.
	Ruby himself kept screaming that they were giving him cancer.
	They were forcing him to have injections.
	And he was convinced that they were injecting him with cancer cells.
	And it turned out later the CIA in the 50s and 60s had developed fast-acting cancers for bio-warfare.
	Absolutely so.
	No question about that.
	Interesting as far as that goes.
	Jack eventually did die, apparently, of cancer.
	But when I was doing research on one of my earlier books, I called up the
	Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute in New York, one of the most impressive and best cancer research units in the world, and I asked them how easy it would be to give somebody cancer.
	And they told me that you cannot give a living organism cancer through injection like that.
	And I said, well wait a minute, you do it with lab rats every day.
	And they hung up on me.
	Yeah, because you were
	Calling the experts.
	I wonder who's involved in things.
	The experts.
	And of course, they admit the polio.
	Oral and others had the live SV40 that gave millions cancer.
	So, I mean, that's like denying the sun comes up in the morning.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Let me go ahead, you were making a point.
	No, I was going to say that Lee Oswald, when he was working in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans, was working with the Ochsner Institute that was doing this kind of research on how to give cancers to people that were trying to develop... Stay there, stay there.
	We're going to come back and talk about that because there was also this obsession down in New Orleans with cancer and giving people cancer, treating cancer.
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	Much too long to prevail.
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	Babylon's system is the vampire.
	We have a government run by a bunch of control freak parasite vampires.
	What's a mosquito?
	It's parasite.
	Female the species to get protein to produce eggs sucks your blood.
	The news will take that out of context and have me on air.
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	People on the web saying vampires run things.
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	The media is so deceptive how they try to twist everything we do.
	And, Robert, I know you've run into a lot of that yourself.
	We were continuing with the cancer research, and Oswald's girlfriend working for all this and what she said, continuing down that line.
	Well, you're referring there to Judy Baker, who was Oswald's girlfriend in New Orleans for some period of time in the summer of 1963.
	And she worked for Ochsner as well, as Lee leaded to, I guess more or less as a lower level person.
	She was a high level researcher, but Lee and David Ferry were both involved in the same organization.
	They were doing cancer research.
	Ostensibly, what they were trying to do was develop a fast-acting cancer that could be given to, of all people, Fidel Castro.
	And that's what they were investigating and dealing with.
	I feel that the fact that Lee knew so much about this, that he became dangerous.
	He knew far too much about this stuff and needed to be eliminated.
	And when they needed a patsy to blame the assassination on, that's where they chose him.
	He was expendable and they wanted to get rid of him anyway.
	And of course, his background, it's well established that he was a CIA operative.
	Do you know specifically, I know he's been mentioned in some control letters and other things, and he was at the U2 base and sent to Russia, allowed to defect back.
	I mean, that's a no-brainer right there.
	That was an inside job and he was an operative, but specifically, who Oswald was in the organization?
	Lee Oswald was apparently a highly trained CIA operative who was, according to these memos and the information that we have, he was actually sent to the Soviet Union on a mission he had no intention of ever defecting.
	And by the way, the other side in some of the later books, actually all along they've been saying it,
	That Oswald had defected to the Soviet Union.
	Oswald never defected to the Soviet Union.
	He went there, he announced his intention to defect, but he never did.
	Never quite got around to it.
	And when he wanted to come back to the United States, we brought him back.
	There's no formal record that he was ever debriefed.
	In fact, he was debriefed, certainly, but there's no formal record that he ever was.
	And instead of being arrested and tried as a traitor for giving them the information about the U-2 spy flights, we give him the money to come back.
	He comes back and nothing is ever done to him.
	Uh, this alone raises lots and lots and lots of questions as to, uh, who you are.
	And then he's married into the white Russian community in Dallas.
	Or, or friends with the people in the white Russian community.
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	So many people that have woken up to the world government, the corruption, the tyranny.
	The propaganda of the military-industrial complex woke up because of the JFK assassination.
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	And we're talking to the man who got the SubRooter film out.
	Robert Grodin, he did so much more, and he really is the preeminent individual exposing all of this.
	We're going to go through what really happened that day from all the evidence he has.
	We've been, you know, going into different areas of it, different interesting areas of it.
	Robert Grodin, I mean, do you want to just go ahead now and start, and then I want to take calls later in the hour, walking through from your research how this was really pulled off, and who was involved, and how this was done?
	Well, the most commonly asked question, again, I'm in Dealey Plaza every weekend, every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, unless it's raining or snowing, all year long.
	And the most common question I'm asked is, who killed President Kennedy and why?
	Well, the government in 1979, through the House Assassinations Committee, released a report stating that it was organized crime.
	And I agree, it was organized crime, but not only organized crime.
	The covert actions branch of the Central Intelligence Agency had been at war with President Kennedy since the time of the Bay of Pigs.
	When he announced that he was ending the Vietnam War one month and eleven days before he was killed, they must have panicked like crazy.
	It was big business, it was survival, it was massive amounts of money, billions of dollars.
	And I personally believe that that's the main reason why the President was killed.
	Yes, there was certainly the war against organized crime, that these people were not going to just roll over and play dead.
	They were going to fight back, and they did.
	But the covert actions branch of the CIA was definitely involved in this.
	Their fingerprints are all over everything.
	So that's Harvey?
	Well, yeah, through Lee Harvey Oswald and William Harvey, sure.
	But also James Angleton and others as well.
	There were many people at the top that hated President Kennedy.
	Al Fletcher Prouty, who was liaison officer between the CIA and the White House and the military at the time of the assassination, was a good friend of mine and told me many, many times through the years that the CIA was not going to just roll over and play dead and allow a single civilian in the White House to affect or control the CIA.
	And, as a matter of fact, I was friends with Ruth Carter Stapleton, Jimmy Carter's sister.
	She told me that her brother was well aware of the conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, and that he was trying to find out what happened and get the information out, but that the CIA was laughing at him, that they paid no attention to him at all.
	It's, you know, you talk about a shadow government, the shadow is larger than the source of the shadow, unfortunately.
	And, uh, you know, when we're talking about who's responsible for the death of President Kennedy, it's impossible to ignore Lyndon Johnson.
	It's absolutely impossible.
	Uh, you know, at what point was he involved?
	Was he a planner?
	Uh, did he know about it and do nothing?
	We don't know that, for sure.
	We really don't.
	But, uh, we do know that he knew that it was going to happen, and he could have prevented it, or at least attempted to, and he did not.
	Knowing, I think, himself that he would be a target if he did try.
	But when you look at motive,
	For killing the President, the greatest motive, and there's lots of other possibilities, certainly.
	I'm not denying that.
	But the one that carries the greatest weight of evidence, and the one that makes the most sense, is to perpetuate and expand the Vietnam War.
	That, to me, is the ultimate... You're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars.
	Oh, yeah.
	Close to a trillion, and that was in those numbers, in the eight, nine years of the full-scale war.
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	Your chance to talk to one of the preeminent JFK researchers, certainly the most dedicated, and the person exposing it from day one as well.
	Robert Grodin, down there many days a week, in all sorts of weather, at the site of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
	We were getting into LBJ, and obviously there were power elites that put him in control, but LBJ is the prime mover, and having serious motive
	wanting to be the king, wanting to be the president, and just the unbelievable amount of capital being transferred to the Southeast Asian war.
	We also have, of course, him wanting to get rid of the Federal Reserve's sole power to issue the currency or tell the Treasury what to print with Lincoln Greenbacks.
	He was firing L.L.
	Lemonsir and others, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and others, for wanting to stage terror attacks in the U.S.
	to blame it on Cuba.
	I mean, Kennedy really was not going along with the game plan.
	And to understand where we are today, we have to understand who these individuals are.
	You know, you were just talking about the arrogance of the CIA.
	I mean, it's sick!
	They ship the heroin, the cocaine in, they get caught all the time, then they put our children in their private prisons, owned by the big banks that launder the money, and that's not enough for them.
	Now it's Homeland Security, and the military-industrial complex is literally eating, absorbing
	The real economy and the same crew in Wall Street that set up the CIA is just looting the currency.
	They're not going to go away by themselves.
	In fact, they're just going to keep expanding like a cancer.
	So before we get more into the data of how they killed him, why they killed him, what really happened that day, the best evidence, your view on
	Well, the statement I'm making about, you know, the same institutions, the same crew, their children, these institutions, they are basically running the same covert ops they run in third world countries on a wider scale now here in the United States.
	And your view on the military industrial complex, the national security state, Robert Grodin?
	Well, I can't argue with a single thing that you said.
	I will add only that a lot of people feel that Johnson's involvement in the Kennedy assassination is too easy an answer.
	To that, I would add simply that it would do the powers that be no good to eliminate John Kennedy if his successor, Lyndon Johnson, wasn't willing to make the changes that they wanted.
	They would have to get an agreement from him in advance.
	Yeah, the two go together so it felt like a horse and carriage.
	Well, absolutely.
	But the point, though... It's when you have this convergence of interests is when you get things like this.
	Go ahead.
	The thing is, they had to know that he would go along with their game plan.
	Otherwise, it would do them no good to eliminate President Kennedy.
	They had to have his agreement ahead of time that he would do what they wanted.
	And that makes him an accessory before the fact.
	What about LBJ riding around on the radio, you know, talking on it, looking very wolf-like like he was on a rabbit hunt?
	You've got at the airport waving the Secret Service off, the Secret Service getting mad about the route?
	Well, yeah, the thing is that Johnson, through the years, had to make himself look innocent.
	He created the Warren Commission, which had absolutely no power whatsoever to do anything, and then ordered them to find that there was no conspiracy.
	Now, Johnson himself, in later years, admitted that the Warren Commission was wrong, that we would never know the whole truth about the assassination in our lifetime.
	And that basically was at a point where nothing could be done one way or the other to try to resolve it.
	So he's now creating a cover to make himself look like he's innocent, and that he disagreed with the Warren Commission.
	He ordered them to do what they did.
	That was the mandate, was to stop the rumors of conspiracy, not to find out who killed President Kennedy.
	And it was the same thing with the 9-11 Commission.
	And then they came out and said the President wouldn't let them do their job.
	And it's just pointing fingers at each other.
	Oh, man.
	Well, history does repeat itself.
	Where do you see it going?
	Just the corruption to where finally CIA commanders wear crowns and we have to bow to them in the streets and they just start
	I mean, will it devolve, I mean, sarcastic down to them just hunting our children in the streets and publicly barbecuing them?
	I mean, I mean, I mean, because that's the logical extension of empires and corrupt elites.
	I mean, will this Wall Street banking CIA shadow government, I mean, they're just, they don't even care now.
	They're just right out in the open.
	Well, again, you know, these are the nightmares that we don't really like to think about.
	And certainly, you know, those are the horror stories that are our nightmares.
	Uh, the point of the matter is that if they can kill the President of the United States, they can kill anybody.
	And, you know, Big Brother is always watching.
	They're always listening.
	And, you know, I personally would like to think that the things that you're talking about could never happen, but we all know that it's entirely possible that they will.
	And, you know, I don't see an answer to being able to deal with that, because they control the national news media, they control the broadcast licenses of television stations, they control access to the presidential news conferences, that if a reporter disagrees with what Bush says, they can't show up at the conferences.
	They don't get the press handouts.
	That's how they survive.
	Well, of course, I was being sarcastic, but if you look at Rome or the Aztecs or any of it,
	The majority of the time, when tyrannies are never checked, they just get crazier and crazier.
	I mean, it's wrong, guys, in the government, I know you're cold-blooded and don't care and think you're tough because you're cynical, to ship heroin and cocaine in and then turn cops loose on us, SWAT-teaming our houses, you know, for small amounts of it and put people in prison.
	It's wrong, all the predatory things they're doing.
	I mean, it's just... In reality, the bad guys never get punished.
	They just go on and on and now they're fully debasing the currency and transferring trillions in the bailout directly to their own coffers.
	I mean, it's just everything's off the chart.
	I mean, I wonder what's coming next.
	But one thing that's definitely not coming next is their own personal bailouts.
	I want a bailout too.
	You know, I'm being a little sarcastic there, but let's face it, you know, we're lied to on a daily basis.
	We've been lied to since the Kennedy assassination.
	And you made the point about a half an hour, 40 minutes ago, that this all began with the Kennedy assassination.
	And you're right, it did.
	When they got away with that, it opened the door for Bobby and Martin and all the rest.
	And the fact that they were able to do it basically endorses their ability to pull it off anytime that they want to.
	And 9-11 is just another incident of it.
	And that's what's happened with Bush, which will be passed on to Obama, McCain, doesn't matter.
	They're just puppets.
	I mean, they put out memos saying they could torture children in front of their parents.
	And the military was given that.
	The cops have heard about that.
	Now they taser you if you don't give a blood sample or a urine sample at the hospital.
	I mean, now,
	All this evil isn't even kept in the dungeons anymore.
	It's paraded as if it's good.
	Evil is now being advertised as good.
	Well, you're right.
	God help us.
	Where do you, in your 45 years of studying this, where do you see it going?
	Because, like I said five minutes ago, it appears that they are in a nihilistic death orgy and are just going to go over the edge.
	It's just going to be right out in the open.
	Well, I don't see an end to it.
	When I began my work on the Kennedy case, I used to believe it was possible to find the answers and that somebody somewhere really did want to know.
	When I was able to release the films of the assassination on national television for the first time on a TV show called Goodnight America, it was a different world then.
	We had different problems.
	We had whatever.
	I can't even go into the differences between then and now.
	But we were able to find enough people in Congress that were honest enough to want to find the truth, and we got the House Assassinations Committee voted in.
	That couldn't happen today.
	That's what's so scary about it.
	It would take something like that in order to find the truth with what's left of the truth now.
	Well, Robert, I had Congressmen on two weeks ago.
	They were told, you pass the bailout or we're going to declare martial law.
	And then the Army Times reported they're going to deploy army brigades to the U.S.
	to, quote, deal with insurrection.
	I mean, they have designed all of this, and then they create the crisis, and then they pose as the solution.
	It's the cold-bloodedness.
	It's that... I mean, they are cold-blooded, organized, and they know what they're going to do, and they're not going to stop.
	Well, if they can steal two elections in front of the watchful eye of the American public, they can do anything.
	Well, I hope all the government people watching your families go bankrupt and, you know, your neighbors go bankrupt.
	I just hope you're proud of yourselves.
	I really... You destroyed a really great country.
	Thanks a lot.
	So you can run off and have just unlimited amounts of money in your Swiss bank accounts and laugh at us and say we're schmucks because we're not tough like you and don't have the will to do what you do.
	No, we're not cancer like you.
	We just want to live and be decent people.
	You know, I more and more just speak directly to those on the dark side.
	I just...
	They are going to kill the host, Robert.
	They are going to kill the host.
	Well, being part of the host, you and I have to be aware of it, but once again, outside of talking about it and trying to make other people aware of it, I'm not sure there's very much more that we can do.
	They've gone over a line a long time ago where they control literally all the power, and they don't mind killing individuals.
	Ruby Ridge, the works.
	We didn't even mention the David Koresh thing.
	You know, how many people were murdered there?
	Did anybody have to answer for that?
	No.
	That's the whole thing.
	And that was a precedent setting event.
	The fact that they got away with it and were able, through whatever propaganda they were able to raise, to make it look as if they did the right thing, no one's going to speak out.
	Not that they really could.
	Well, the good news is people are waking up en masse and there's a lot at the end of the tunnel, but it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, folks.
	I mean, the country has gangrene, basically.
	And the gangrene's rotting the flesh, running all over the body, and it thinks it's having a great time.
	It's gangrene.
	It's like the scorpion, you know, on the toad.
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	From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
	It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
	Robert, before time gets away from us, fire out some of the great films and books and materials you've put out and some of the websites so folks can get those.
	Well, the website, which is jskmurder.com, right now there's nothing new available on it yet.
	My DVD is available on it.
	Actually, both DVDs are.
	By the way, these are incredibly well done, and you say nothing new.
	Most of what you know is new to the general public.
	They need to go there and get them.
	Well, I thank you for that.
	That's true.
	But when the new book comes out, that'll be all brand new material.
	And that's called JFK Absolute Proof.
	When it's available, it'll be announced on the website.
	It is not available yet.
	But it's a free website.
	Anyone can go there anytime they want to.
	There's no charge for it.
	But it's JFKMurder.com.
	And there's just a small handful of the older books available.
	High Treason is still available.
	JFK the Case for Conspiracy is not.
	Let's see.
	Well, if you go to the website, you'll see what is available now.
	Sure, sure.
	Let me shift gears back into a wider view and then briefly go over what, as best you can tell, actually happened that day.
	What is the establishment going to do, though, when it comes out the Gulf of Tonkin was staged in 1964, the USS Liberty was staged, that's now even in the Chicago Tribune, the intercepts have been declassified.
	What is the establishment going to do as it does come out?
	They planned Operation Northwoods, a 9-11 style attack.
	All these other terror attacks they've staged.
	It comes out on Keith Oberman that Dick Cheney wanted to have Navy SEALs dress up like Iranians and fake Iranian boats to attack our ships.
	I mean, all this is coming out and so there's this crisis.
	The public is finally waking up.
	Uh, but the system is bringing in the Homeland Security operation, which the smokescreen was, it was for terrorism, and now, you know, but really the establishment knew folks were waking up, it was to suppress the population.
	Now the public gets it, and we have a stalemate, uh, with, uh, thug enforcers who are on power trips, and a, a freaked out public who now, I think, is realizing we have hardcore murdering terrorists running things.
	I don't know that there's anything that we really can do.
	I mean, you've got to ask yourself, what would happen if tomorrow morning, somebody, some government official from whatever one of the alphabet soup of agencies got on Good Morning America, or the Today Show and said, yeah, alright, you guys win, we kill the president, what y'all gonna do about it?
	What can we do?
	That's the problem.
	But when there's no rule of law, corruption just spreads until the society collapses, and so the enemy will defeat themselves through their own corruption.
	Well, that's true.
	I mean, sooner or later, as you said, you know, the parasites will destroy the hosts, and then there'll be nothing left.
	They'll have to live off of each other.
	But by that time, we'll all be gone, so... Well, I'm glad you reminded me, because I didn't have time to finish the analogy.
	You know the old story of the frog or the toad, and the scorpion says, carry me across the river.
	And he says, but you're a scorpion, you'll sting me.
	And he goes, no, no, I promise, I won't, you just help me.
	And so being a nice frog, a nice toad, it jumps in the water and swims across.
	And right as they get to the other side, the scorpion stings him, and he's there dying in the water.
	And he says, why did you do that to me?
	And he said, I'm a scorpion.
	I helped you.
	And somehow they've trained the public just to love scorpions.
	Oh, I love... Oh, the citizen has a gun.
	I'm scared.
	But if a man in a black uniform and a black mask has it, I feel safe.
	I mean, it's just idiocy.
	Well, sad, sad, but true.
	Okay, well... Earlier, I was really letting you run, and now I'm jumping in because it's so thought-provoking.
	Continue with whatever you think is most important.
	It's such a wide range of knowledge.
	Well, again...
	One of the problems that we've got now is that it's a situation of the Empire Strikes Back.
	When we had the miniseries, The Men Who Killed Kennedy, we were getting a lot of good information out, but people were able to see it.
	But now some agencies have started to use programs called Unsolved History, and they've produced a series of grossly dishonest programs to try to convince people that Oswald acted alone.
	And what's scary is the fact that nobody seems to see through this.
	They showed documentaries with Oswald running down four flights of stairs to the second floor in what he said was 90 seconds.
	Well, Oswald didn't have 90 seconds had he been up there.
	He only had 72 seconds.
	Number one.
	Plus the fact that there's a photograph taken of someone in the sixth floor window, uh, 30 seconds after the shooting, which reduces the time to get downstairs to 42 seconds.
	Well, they know that.
	But they still give them 90 seconds to get down.
	They have them running down in a closed stairway, totally unobstructed.
	Well, let's talk about these hit pieces.
	These are just simple pieces.
	It's like the 9-11 ones.
	BBC's turned out three of them.
	The U.S.
	has done it as well here in the U.S., and they'll just say, hey, North Tower fell into Building 7, knocked a third of it down.
	Then we have present video that none of it was knocked in.
	They just say, we don't care, we say so, shut up.
	We'll be right back with Robert Grodin.
	Stay with us.
	We're on the march.
	The Empire's on the run.
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	They like fear.
	They like dropping napalm on little children running.
	They laugh while they burn.
	And you cynically, some of you that have sold out to the system,
	You're on the edges of it.
	You think we're safe as the American people and we allow those types of evils to be committed?
	You think when we send millions of men to these wars that the establishment doesn't cherry-pick the psychopaths, the opportunists, and doesn't put them into our society?
	You think you're immune from all that evil?
	That you've supported.
	Yeah, so what if three million Iraqis are dead in the last 18 years?
	A million and a half the last five and a half.
	Yeah, there's your Brown.
	Let him die.
	But what you don't understand is that's coming home to roost on all of us.
	And God help us.
	I know who we're fighting.
	I know how evil they are.
	I know how real this is.
	And so does Robert Grodin.
	Your calls are coming up.
	Robert, continue with these hit pieces, these incredibly dishonest TV pieces they put out, which always, right after they come out, are totally disproven, but it's designed for the mass of people that they're into deceiving, and I've... I've had hit pieces done on me, and you meet these people, and they'll lie and say, oh, it's not a hit piece, and several times after, when they're done getting their car to leave, they go, ha, you're a kook, we're going to expose you, and they... or they say... or one time they gave me a... they said, go out to eat with us, and at the end of it, they...
	They gave me a fortune cookie.
	They said, we brought you a special fortune cookie.
	They said, break it open.
	We just brought it just for you.
	And it says, you're dead.
	We're going to kill you.
	And they all laughed at me and all just stared at me.
	And they said, you know, don't you?
	And I was just like, whatever.
	You know, the point is, these are sick people, cowards, who decide to join the dark side.
	They love it that the dark side keeps winning.
	They love it that they can abuse innocence and twist and lie.
	They enjoy that the public's dumbed down, that they can deceive them.
	Robert Groden, speak to that.
	Well, the point of the matter is that people tend to believe it if they see it on television.
	I had a relative who never believed what I said about the Kennedy assassination until he saw me say it on national television.
	Then he believed it.
	It's a sad thing.
	We're basically indoctrinated to believe what we see on the evening news.
	No matter what it is, no matter how unbelievable it is, we never question it because we have no other source of information.
	That's the problem.
	You are a source of alternative information, and you let people know that there is another side to this, and that's very, very important.
	But people, for the most part, when they see something on the Discovery Channel or the History Channel, they'll just arbitrarily believe it, no matter what.
	And they don't have the information to question or challenge.
	That's what the problem has been.
	These shows that were produced, there have been, I think, three of them so far on Unsolved History, and they just finished a fourth in Dealey Plaza, oh, about a month and a half ago.
	They were doing something on the President's limousine.
	And every time they did it, they did it wrong.
	They had Mrs. Kennedy with her arms around the President, which never happened.
	And I went up to the producers, everyone who was there, and I showed them the actual photographs.
	They were doing it wrong, so we don't care.
	And they didn't.
	That's the whole point.
	They had somebody there who knew the truth.
	They didn't want to present the truth.
	And that'll be out on TV in a couple of days.
	And everyone will say, oh, look at that.
	You know, these are the same people who took a copy of the so-called Oswald rifle, tied it down with gaffer's tape, after aligning the scope perfectly, having a professional trained shooter fire a gun at a stationary target, and even doing that, rigging everything, they still couldn't duplicate what Oswald is supposed to have done, yet they told us that they did.
	All these years dealing with these people,
	I mean, a lot of them are just sell-outs of the system.
	No doubt some are operatives.
	I mean, do you ever have... so I've had conversations with them where they just kind of just smile at you and say, you're gonna lose.
	You know, where they let, you know, where they just let you know, yeah, I'm with the bad guys and I like it.
	Well, yeah, that kind of happens.
	It happens sometimes it's a bit more subtle than that.
	I was offered the job of director at the Sixth Floor Museum some years back, but they made it very clear to me that I would have to sell out and not be able to talk about the conspiracy.
	And I said, thanks, but no thanks.
	I turned the job down.
	Paid $180,000 a year.
	Good money.
	But I wouldn't sell out.
	They were just blatant enough to tell me that, that that's what it would take.
	And I refused to do it.
	I have a friend who told me the analogy of, when somebody's talking about selling out, you say to them, well, what would you, what would you take to give me your eyes?
	Well, we'll go to a clinic, sell me your eyes, they'll remove them.
	Will you take $100,000?
	No.
	Will you take a million dollars?
	No.
	Will you take $10 million?
	Why?
	No.
	Because my eyes, I see it's my window to the world.
	And you know, the eyes are the window to the soul.
	Well then, what would you give for your soul then?
	And people don't understand, when you sell out for a uniform, for status, for $35,000 a year, for a million a year, whatever it is, you lose who you are as a human.
	And that's what's so sad about people that are purely materialistic.
	Of course, they're all so unhappy.
	I just can't believe it.
	I can't imagine selling out, Robert, because what I say and what I do is who I am.
	I can't cut my arms and legs off and sell them.
	I can't gouge my eyes out and sell them.
	I can't, you know, turn my... I mean, I don't understand how people are just so easy to be bought out.
	Well, they found somebody.
	They'll always find somebody, and that's the sad thing.
	It's just that people just need to keep their eyes open.
	I think that you and I have a mutual friend who has said through the years, always question authority.
	It's Jim Morris.
	Yeah.
	And it's true.
	If you question it, if you use your eyes, use your brain, think for yourself, it's more difficult to confuse you.
	You know, look at the logic of things.
	Try to learn all the sides and use your own mind.
	If somebody out there wants to believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, in spite of all the evidence, how are you going to convince them otherwise?
	It's like religion to some degree.
	If you believe, you don't need proof.
	If you don't believe, no amount of proof is going to convince you.
	It's the same sort of thing here, too.
	The Kennedy assassination has become somewhat of a sporting event in the minds of a lot of people.
	People will come to Dealey Plaza, they'll be, in many cases, drunk or really snotty about things, and they'll try to impress their friends, and they'll be know-it-alls, and say, well, this happened, and this happened, and this happened, and they'll be totally dead wrong.
	And you try to convince them, say, hey, look, you know, the doctor said that this wasn't true, the witnesses said this wasn't true, the acoustic evidence shows this isn't true, and they just won't listen.
	They'll just, you know, their mind's made up, they don't want to be confused with facts.
	And those are the people that you have to feel so sorry for.
	Because they're the ones who are going to lie to their selves, their children, their friends.
	And there's nothing you can really do about it.
	They have bought into the lie.
	They've committed to it.
	And they can't admit they're wrong.
	But not just because they don't want to admit they're wrong, they're scared deep down.
	And they know that if it's true that the media lied and the government lied and the government killed Kennedy, they then know that a lot of other things are lies.
	And so, they've bought into so many other lies.
	Oh, true, true.
	Alright, well I want to take some calls, but just in a quick summation, as best you can tell, especially with all this new E. Howard Hunt information, I mean, hey, why do you think Hunt did that tape and now the videotape we just released last night, you know, basically admitting pretty accurate stuff according to you and the other experts that
	Sure enough, he was involved in setting it up to kill him in Chicago and Miami, but they decided on Dallas and that it was LBJ, or at least as his chain of command went up to.
	Why do you think Hunt did that?
	Well, you know, there is something in this history that's pretty much forgotten, and I'll bring it up, because it does relate extremely closely to your question.
	Well, when they blew his wife up?
	Well, yeah, when Dorothy Hunt was killed, and along with all the other people on the airplane.
	Yeah, that was another unforgivable thing, but where do you stop?
	It goes on forever.
	No, the thing that I'm thinking about is the fact that
	Hunt, years ago, filed a lawsuit for pain and suffering because the issue was stated that he was part of the conspiracy and he thought that his kids might believe it and therefore it was hurtful to him and to them.
	So he used that as the excuse to file a lawsuit.
	And then he lost it.
	Well, he lost the suit, but the issue that everybody seemed to forget and didn't pay attention to at the time is that he had testified before the Rockefeller Commission that he was not in Dallas, and he used his own kids as testimony that he was elsewhere at the time.
	So if they were testifying that he was somewhere else, then he knew he wasn't there.
	He said he made Chinese food for him, and of course the kid said he never made him dinner or something.
	Right, but at the time, if in fact his excuse before the Rockefeller Commission was truthful, then they would know he wasn't there.
	How could that be painful to them?
	How could they possibly believe it if they knew otherwise?
	And that's what I think he was trying to straighten out.
	I think he was trying to basically make restitution for using them.
	Yeah, well, St.
	John says he's proud of it, too.
	The son is proud of the father?
	John was saying his father was proud of being involved in that.
	No, no, St.
	Ah, well, you know, how do you deal with it?
	How do you deal with somebody like that?
	You know, Hunt, Sturgis, the whole bunch of them, the whole Watergate crew.
	The same people were used by Nixon and Watergate as were used by Johnson.
	And his wife was going around with a bag full of the checks from Nixon and a bunch of cash.
	She was going around as the bag lady just trying to get money for the guys.
	So they could defend themselves.
	They were all taking the rap and going to prison.
	And Nixon and them didn't even want to give them the money.
	They just said, you know what?
	We'll just blow your wife up.
	They even directed the plane into another airport so they could cover it up.
	Roger Niner Niner, come on over here to this landing field.
	They blow it up as it's coming in.
	And then the FBI swoops in on the scene, covers it all up instantly.
	And, you know, that's the message.
	We'll kill your whole family.
	That's what the evil people that work for the government need to understand.
	You are totally expendable.
	That's what I don't even get.
	I study these people.
	They don't even tend to take care of their killers.
	They tend to kill them.
	There's gotta be a lesson there somewhere.
	I guess the lesson is don't kill for the government.
	I mean, you know, there's Dorothy Hunt flying around getting the money for the plumbers.
	I guess Nixon and them said, and reportedly, according to St.
	John, they had just threatened them again with the checks.
	And he'll give us more money.
	You know, there was a movie that was released last year.
	Fabulous, fabulous movie.
	It's called Shooter, with Mark Wahlberg.
	Excellent.
	And Kate Mara.
	There's a line in it, read by Levon Helm, who was the drummer from the band.
	But he's an actor in it, and he says, those boys in the book depository, they were all dead before sundown.
	They're buried out in the desert.
	And somebody says, well, how do you know that's true?
	He says, I still got the shovel.
	They were buried out at El Pango by sunset.
	Well, how do you know?
	Still got the shovel.
	That's it.
	Just when you think you got it figured, Gunny, look again.
	You know that movie very well, don't you?
	I saw it in the theater, and then I saw it on the treadmill.
	That's great.
	Oh, God.
	In fact, I went to play clips of it on the show.
	I never got around to it.
	That's the thing people don't understand.
	They think evil is cool and sexy and neat and fun.
	The truth is it stinks to high heaven.
	And as soon as you get into it, folks, it just implodes on you and there's no end to it.
	Oh, man.
	Well, evil is simply evil.
	Give out your website one more time.
	The website is JFKMurder.com.
	JFKMurder.com.
	It's a free website, there's no charge to go there.
	But the DVDs, folks, you want the straight skinny, get them there.
	Let's take a few calls.
	Lindsey in Idaho, you're on the air with Robert Grodin.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Hello, Alex, how are you today?
	Good.
	I have one specific question for Mr. Grodin.
	Watched the and read a lot about the Kennedy assassination.
	Not much is ever mentioned about the three tramps.
	Mr. Grodin, what can you tell me that you know about them?
	Well, there were three tramps that were on a freight train that was parked at the western end of the parking lot on top of the grassy knoll.
	And right after the assassination, that train started to take off.
	Lee Bowers, a fellow working in the railroad tower, a dispatcher in the railroad tower, saw it pulling out, realized he had not given permission for it to leave.
	He stopped the train, called the police, had it searched.
	And a quarter mile south of Dealey Plaza, where it was stopped, these three guys were arrested.
	They were taken off and marched over the triple overpass, then through the parking lot, back in front of the Texas School Book Depository, and diagonally across into the police station.
	Now, these three guys remained a mystery until the Shaw trial, and in 1967, I think it was 1967, Jim Garrison appeared on the Tonight Show and showed them publicly for the first time.
	And of course, Johnny Carson didn't want them shown.
	He kept dragging them out of his hands and what have you.
	But that was the first time the public became aware of the tramps.
	And of course, it just so happened they were spitting images for Frank Sturgis and E. Howard Hunt.
	Precisely.
	Yeah.
	Now, those three guys have been positively identified four separate times as four different sets of people.
	Once again, just
	Just confusing the heck out of the public.
	And the problem is that, I guess about 10, 12, 13 years ago, the arrest records finally appeared.
	Up until that point, there were no records of the arrest at all.
	That's my question.
	Who are they?
	Well, we have the paperwork for the arrest of three guys, a guy named Gedney and two others, who were apparently legitimate tramps.
	But, this is where it's interesting.
	The actual arrest photographs, the mugshots, the fingerprints, all of those are gone.
	They've all disappeared.
	My, what a surprise.
	Yeah, well the thing is, we don't really know who these people are.
	One of them appears to be Frank Sturgis, but he also appears to be...
	Charles Harrelson, a man who had formally admitted to shooting President Kennedy.
	He just died in prison, Woody Harrelson's dad, and he was in prison for shooting a federal judge in Texas at 400 yards in the neck with a .243.
	So he was an old hand assassin.
	But I mean, I've looked at those photos, and I've got a really good eye, and I've blown them up on a computer.
	And of course, St.
	John's says it's his father.
	And he would know him.
	You can also see him trying to pop a space.
	It is an uncanny resemblance.
	Well, I mean, look, it looks like Frank Sturges to me, and it looks like E. Howard Hunt.
	Yes.
	Well, I agree it does look like him, but we don't know for sure.
	Did you know St.
	John said his dad did go in and came back a few weeks later with his ears smaller?
	He had parts of his ears cut off, according to him?
	That's very interesting.
	So then, in other words, nobody still really knows much about these three tramps?
	Well, we know they were arrested.
	We know they were held until just after Lee Oswald was murdered, and then they were released.
	Were they fingerprinted?
	I'm sorry?
	Were they fingerprinted?
	If they were arrested, they were fingerprinted.
	They must have been.
	Those fingerprints have never surfaced.
	That's why I question the official version.
	Yeah, they gotta dummy those up before they do that.
	Yeah.
	Anything else, Crawler?
	No, that'll do it.
	Thank you.
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	There's the theme music.
	But they had on Mission Impossible with Ethan Hunt, named after E. Howard Hunt.
	Hunt's admitted with the creators of the show.
	All about throwing it in our face.
	And a caller earlier mentioned that back during the X-Files, you know, they have an episode about who killed Kennedy and they go, okay, Mr. Hunt, you can go ahead and go into the smoking man's office.
	They love flaunting it in our face.
	Let's continue.
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	Let's talk to Mark in Georgia.
	Go ahead, Mark.
	You're on the air with Robert Grodin.
	God blessing you.
	As you know, you're ever in our prayers.
	I want to say one thing very briefly.
	Uh, you remember in the movie, The Outlaw, Josie Wales, where after the gunfight, they discussed why did you pick this target first, that target, and then the Indian companion to Josie asked, well, what about this other guy over here?
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	I want you to know that when he says, I was there with you and I wasn't worried about him, when somebody attacks you about some ridiculous nuance, I'm there to cover your six.
	I wanted to, I mentioned a while back, um, and I want to be specific this time.
	It was Dr. Paul Martin who gave a presentation about the manipulation tactics that cults use to, basically in cults, generally speaking, we have to have the witting compliance of their adherence.
	People are led to believe that the group knows what's best for you, and we're doing, although we're doing things that are painful to you, we're doing it for your own good.
	And one of those things that they do is called a manipulation tactic.
	It's called a loaded term.
	It's a term with a strong emotional charge.
	Like, with the former International Church of Christ, which, thank God, came to its senses, if you told one of their adherents, you're divisive, it would lead them to believe that there was something wrong with them for questioning the practices and the beliefs of the system, rather than that there's something wrong with the system.
	And in the same way, the term conspiracy theorist, I think we're on the same page.
	Yeah, no, no, I mean it's a huge loaded term.
	It means automatically this person's a kook, they're insane.
	Exactly.
	You know, it's saying these are nuts.
	You want to comment on that to Robert Grodin?
	Well, you know, there's a... The power of the word is extremely strong and
	Different ways of words can be used.
	For instance, in Dealey Plaza, people say, well, was the president shot in the front?
	Well, he wasn't shot in the front.
	He was shot from the front.
	It hit him in the right side of his head, but it was from the front.
	The way words are used are not always just lackadaisical.
	There's a reason for it.
	I mean, that's just 101 for anybody.
	People get horrified by hunting, but you still eat meat at the store.
	I mean, I've shot deer and wild hogs in the head, and you shoot them with a .308, and it goes in small, sometimes you can't even find the hole, and it blows the whole other side of the head off.
	You shoot them in one side of the head, from the side, the other side of the head blows off.
	You shoot them in the front of the head, the whole back of the head blows off.
	It's the same thing with humans.
	I mean, for anybody that's ever shot something,
	Well, you know, that's the way they get away with it, though.
	You know, you had Dan Rather get on CBS TV Sunday, two days after the assassination, and tell us that when the President was struck in the head after seeing the Zapruder film, he was thrown violently forward.
	Well, that's certainly not true.
	No matter where the shot came from, he was shot and thrown to the rear.
	All right, stay there.
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	The longest, continual, most dogged researcher to JFK, the main consultant on the film JFK, worked with Jim Mars on that and Oliver Stone.
	With us for another 20 minutes, and I want to get to Greg and Ray and Nelson and others that are patiently holding.
	But I want to get a few questions out of the way that I haven't got to yet.
	First off, you got caught off by the brakes.
	Sorry, it was satellites and syndication.
	We can't push brakes back, so I apologize, Mr. Grodin.
	Robert Grodin, you're trying to make a point.
	We're talking about Dan Rather.
	Shane Kennedy was thrown forward from being shot in the back.
	Well, that's the whole point.
	Back in those days, we believed everything they told us.
	Nobody would dare ever question Dan Rather or Walter Cronkite or anybody like that.
	And that's the problem.
	It wasn't true, but they knew we'd never get to see the Zapruder film.
	They knew in their heart of hearts that they wouldn't get caught.
	And that's why somebody like a Cronkite or a Rather are put in those positions because they've already lied over and over again.
	They've already shown that they'll do whatever they're told.
	But I mean, I wonder what Rather was thinking going out there and lying and knowing they'd killed Kennedy.
	Well, you know, he built his career on that.
	He became a national figure because of that.
	Before that, he was just local here in Dallas.
	It was nothing.
	But he became their trusted guy.
	Yeah, the establishment said, oh, he's a football play ball.
	Yeah, and he did.
	And when I released the Zapruder film back in 1975, he very soon thereafter made the statement in his book, The Camera Never Blinks, that he had simply made an honest mistake.
	Well, he made a mistake, but there was nothing honest about it.
	In answer to your last caller's question, semantics is extremely important.
	You can't say he was thrown to the left or to the right or the front or the rear.
	It's that kind of a mistake.
	He was thrown to the rear.
	Period.
	There's no question about that.
	Well, it's explosive.
	It just slams him back.
	Exactly.
	But by that time, I'm sure that Rather was told that the public would never have a chance to see the Zephyrter film.
	Well, what about all the witnesses, exactly?
	He knew they'd never see it, so he went ahead and said it.
	They didn't know that you had secured it out.
	How did you sneak that out?
	Well, it wasn't so much a matter of being able to sneak it out, per se, although I guess it kind of was.
	Here's the situation.
	I had gotten my hands on the film in 1969, and
	I only told specific researchers in the Kennedy case, a small number of researchers, about what I had and showed them what I had.
	It was just a small group of people.
	In 1970... You don't want to talk about how you got your hands on it?
	Well, I worked for a company in New York.
	We did work for Life Magazine.
	We blew it up from 8mm to 35mm.
	Uh, for Life Magazine, they wanted to see what kind of resolution they could get out of it.
	This is something that had never, ever been done before.
	Uh, no one had ever blown up, uh, 8mm to 35 like this.
	So I made an extra copy.
	I say that too, because I thought that sooner or later they would release it, but they never did.
	It probably would have been doctored, though.
	Well, the thing is that to this very day I'm convinced that the film never would have been released if I hadn't been the one to release it.
	You know, it was a gamble.
	How'd you get the photos with his head blown off?
	Well, I worked for the government for three years, and I worked as a photo analyst, and part of the things I worked on were those photographs.
	And that's about as much as I'm kind of willing to say.
	Man, just amazing that you've been able to ferret all this out.
	I mean, folks, the whole back of his head blows up.
	And I'll assure you,
	Go out to East Texas.
	Go shoot a wild hog in whatever side you shoot, a tiny hole.
	The other side, if it's a high-powered rifle, looks just like Kennedy's head.
	Okay?
	Real simple.
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	I want to go to Greg, Ray, Nelson, Ronnie and others for Robert Grodin.
	But I wanted to bring Aaron Dykes in.
	He's been working with me for now two years off and on.
	Two years since we've been working on a JFK film quietly in the background while we were making other films.
	And he had a few quick questions for you here on air.
	Mr. Grodin, go ahead and ask your questions, Aaron Dykes.
	Yeah, my question was basically in terms of the top suspects that Howard Hunt names, William Harvey and other CIA figures.
	How well does that fit in with the fact that they were doing coups in all these third world countries, that their jobs were to overthrow leaders?
	Yeah, that's who the government will go to.
	The program was even called Executive Action, I believe.
	Or at least that was one of the programs, the ZR rifle program.
	What can you say about that in terms of how it fits into the assassination?
	These were the people with the mode of opportunity and means to do it.
	Absolutely.
	They had the practice, they had the experience, and they had the money.
	There's no question in my mind that these were among the guilty parties.
	They may not have been alone.
	They may have had support in other areas from
	Perhaps specific politicians or mobsters or what have you, but yeah, it would have been impossible.
	For instance, let me say, the government stated in 1979 that it was the mob that was responsible for the assassination.
	Well, they might very well have been to some degree, but can you imagine some mobsters in Chicago or Miami or New Orleans having the power to control the investigations through the years to get Oswald killed?
	And the media and the FBI, look, and the public has been ignorant on this.
	Now they kind of understand it.
	The CIA, when it was OSS and every other intelligence agency, British intelligence going back 300 years, they always use local crime rings in any area.
	They're smuggling or getting out data or information.
	They always use the local criminal networks because they know the way of the land.
	And it gives plausible deniability.
	Well, with all that and everything that you just said is absolutely true, but the other thing, though, is by bringing them in, they prevent themselves from being victims of blackmail later on.
	Because, uh, by being able to link the, uh, mob organizations with them, then, uh, they would be, uh, basically it's an insurance policy.
	It's a corruption!
	I mean, that's what corruption's all about.
	It's not just, just getting money and stealing it.
	It's about corrupting.
	It's about getting others in on the corruption.
	Yeah.
	So I agree, yes, absolutely.
	I have absolutely no problem believing that the people that you mentioned were involved in this.
	Well, we just, it's just amazing.
	Aaron, you had some other questions?
	No, just on that general idea.
	It's just, they were even in their specific roles.
	Hunt says William Harvey was overseeing it as kind of the supervisor.
	He was the supervisor of the Executive Action Program and Hunt was kind of the sub-manager of that, more on the ground.
	It's just the players, he says, were involved were specifically in the same roles they did in other countries.
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	Stay here, Eric, because I know you may have more questions.
	I've got a few questions here before we take these final calls for Robert Brodin, probably the premier, incredible researcher on JFK.
	Robert George H. W. Bush.
	We know he's been involved in the CIA.
	We know he was involved with some bad pigs operations and using some oil platforms as fronts.
	You know, Skull and Bones is what CIA was founded out of.
	And he just wasn't made director in the 70s, you know, out of falling off a turnip truck.
	And then there's that famous photo, which is a spitting image of him in the same mannerisms.
	But do you think there's any credibility to that?
	You mean that he was actually in Dealey Plaza?
	Yes, or involved in any way.
	Well, we know that he was in Texas that day, most probably, almost to a certainty, in Dallas.
	But we also know that he was flown to Washington, D.C.
	the next day, which got him out of here.
	I am not in any way, shape, manner, or form a fan of either one of the Bushes.
	We know that Bush, when he was being picked as the director of the CIA, he lied to Congress and said he had never worked for the CIA, when in fact we know he had prior to his being named director.
	Now we have FBI files and letters and list that evidence.
	Well, again, we have documents relating to the Kennedy assassination which mention George H.W.
	Bush of the CIA.
	And they say that's another George H.W.
	Bush in Texas.
	Which is absurd.
	Oh my God, there's no end to it.
	There's no end to these people.
	I mean, one question that's always crossed my mind in relation to what you had just mentioned is, if Bush was willing to lie to Congress to commit perjury over working for the CIA, you have to ask yourself, why?
	You know, what was so important that he keeps secret about?
	Yeah, why not say, hey, because that was the criticism, is that he never had any intelligence background.
	No, it's suddenly just going to be the director out of nowhere, and they were saying, well, exactly, why wouldn't he say, oh yeah, I work for the agency?
	Well, that's the whole point.
	You have to ask yourself, why would he take the risk of lying about it?
	And that's a question that still, to this day, hasn't been answered.
	He still hasn't fessed up.
	Well, that gives him a lot of cachet, I think, clearly involved.
	I think that photo, and there's no doubt in my mind, it's him.
	It could well be.
	That certainly gave him a lot of cred with the boys, making his bones, just being involved.
	Oh boy, they're at the School Books Depository Building.
	Okay, let's take some calls here.
	Greg in New York, you're on the air with Robert Grodin.
	Hey Al, hey Robert, how are you?
	I'm fine, how about yourself?
	Great, thank you.
	It's an honor and a privilege to call myself an American, to know people like yourself.
	I'm a first-time caller and I'm also an expert and I've been a stockbroker in New York for over 14 years and I've studied the Federal Reserve for a very long time and I have heard some things about why Jeff Gate got shot because he was going to basically sign form 1110 which was to abolish the Federal Reserve.
	Well, he made a lot of people mad.
	I mean, that's why they whacked him.
	Well, my biggest thing, and I see and I've been warning people for many years, not to let them force a global economy, because basically what they're looking to do is basically put everybody on the breadline.
	No, that's it.
	They can have worldwide inflation and control things and consolidate.
	We have our own documents.
	Not only that, but what people don't understand, and people are afraid.
	They're all sheep.
	I mean, they call us sheep, and the reason they call us sheep is because most people don't think like you and Robert.
	Most people don't think as individuals.
	They think in groups.
	Well, they think that what they think is reality, and so they decide to say everything's fine and rationalize it.
	They're actually pretty smart.
	It's just they're cowards, and a coward
	Well, as the great William Cooper said, God rest his soul, was listen to everyone, read everything, believe no one, and do your own research.
	And that's exactly what you guys are doing.
	And the point of the matter is,
	These people control, the Federal Reserve controls the food prices, they control what you pay at the pump for gas, they control your mortgage, they control the tax on your property.
	These people control every aspect of the dollar.
	And when people start to realize that and research that for themselves, everything else that you talk about on your show is so easy to see.
	Now Harriet, do you have a question for Robert Grudin?
	Yes.
	Basically, my question is, do you feel that because JFK tried to abolish the Federal Reserve, that is one of the biggest reasons that he was murdered?
	I think that that's one of the reasons why he may have been, yes.
	I think that what I've done through the years is I've had to weigh the different potential motives.
	And to me, the Vietnam War seems to be the greatest motive, but it doesn't eliminate that as being a very strong motive.
	Yeah, there's a whole bunch of troughs they wanted to suck out of and a bunch of other things they wanted to shut down that Kennedy was doing.
	So my feeling is, yes, it may very well have had a lot to do with it.
	I would never eliminate that as a potential, but when people ask me why was the president killed, I said that there's a lot of reasons why, but as far as I can see, and from all my years of doing this, the greatest motivation with the most logic behind it is the Vietnam War, but it's not the only reason.
	Robert Grodin, I don't want to spend too long on this.
	I mean, I am just a huge fan of JFK.
	I think it's a great film.
	You consulted on it.
	I know you know Oliver Stone well.
	He puts out this The Towers movie, which reinforces the official story.
	Now he puts out W that makes W like an idiot savant that people were mean to.
	And, you know, he really thought there were WMDs and the CIA made a mistake.
	I mean, it's all a huge whitewash from what we know.
	And very slick propaganda because it's done, you know, in a way to make fun of Bush, but it really rehabilitates him.
	What has happened to Oliver Stone?
	I've been told by Hollywood Insiders that it's all the drug convictions that they're basically threatening him.
	I mean, do you have any comment on that?
	Honestly, I really kind of don't.
	Ollie did a great job with JFK.
	I was very, very proud to be a part of it.
	I would not have traded the opportunity.
	I wish like heck that he would do JFK 2 and tell the rest of the story because the first movie is only, not even the first half.
	We've learned so much more since the time period covered by that first movie.
	I love the first movie.
	I think it's one of the best things ever done.
	I agree.
	And was so proud to be part of it.
	But without JFK 2 to tell the rest of the story, the public will never know what the rest of the story truly is.
	And they know how the case got to where it is now, how the actual evidence had been released.
	When you look at the overall picture, Jim Garrison was a hero.
	He did an awful lot.
	He put his whole life on the line to do this.
	But they controlled him.
	They controlled the investigation and he lost.
	The second one, which led to the House of Fascinations Committee, which admitted the conspiracy, that was much more of a success overall.
	And that part of the story has not been told.
	I want to talk about, briefly, Jim Garrison, the man, when we get back with our guest.
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	Ray, Nelson, Ronnie, we're going to get to you because our guest is going to stay until about 40 after with us.
	It's too important.
	Then I'm going to play that audio from the exclusive video that was just released last night of E. Howard Hunt.
	Not just the audio.
	You'll hear the audio of the new video.
	That's up on InfoWars.com right now.
	There's also a press release out.
	Willie Nelson, Jesse Ventura to host anti-war pro peace event.
	I need to call Paul and have him add that we'll also be giving speeches, not just a question and answer.
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	But to help us get that press release out to everybody, and if you're media interested in talking to one of these guys, you know, in the evening before the event, you can email Aaron at InfoWars.com.
	I forgot to give you that.
	Doody, you're in the press release.
	I need you to watch that this weekend.
	I know you're also going out to Willie's Place with me and Ventura Sunday morning, you and Rob, but I also need you to watch that for media because I don't want to just have a press conference and then have some nerdy wells show up.
	And yes, ne'er-do-wells, we're aware of you, whoever the ne'er-do-wells are.
	And so we can do that.
	Dealing with 9-11, truth, the war, all of it, also Farm Aid.
	Robert Grodin, I'm going to come back to the next segment, jam in three or four calls for you, but right now on the short one, where our breaks worked most of them were in the first half hour.
	More about the interesting, you know, perspective of being one of the chief advisors and people on the film JFK, in Dallas, filming part of it in Dallas, shooting it there at Dealey Plaza,
	You talk about all this harassment you go through now and over the years, you know, 80-something tickets, hundreds, 400-something harassments.
	Were you guys harassed there?
	Were there any dirty tricks there?
	Was Stone ever threatened?
	No, he wasn't, but the thing is he has a much higher public profile than I do.
	The thing is that he wasn't really on his own.
	He had a whole
	Backing, you know, all of the film production company.
	Yeah, Entourage.
	Well, the thing is that, you know, they were basically buying, you know, Warner Brothers was buying the time there.
	We had private security, we had public security.
	We had paid an incredible amount of money to be able to film in Dealey Plaza and the
	There was actually a formal vote taken within the City Council whether to allow or not allow Ollie to shoot there.
	And it cost a lot of money and I guess greased the city's coffers, as it were, to get permission to do it.
	But Warner Brothers, Hollywood's pretty establishment.
	I mean, the backstory, the inside baseball scoop on that.
	I mean, how did Stone get that film made?
	I mean, it's powerful.
	Well, the thing is, no one had done anything on it, ever.
	And he had the power to do it, and he had massive name stars.
	If you look at the cast of that movie, it's astonishing.
	Kevin Costner, Sissy Spacek, Tommy Lee Jones,
	Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, and on and on and on.
	Gary Oldman, Tommy Lee Jones, as I said.
	Well, the more I study JFK, and I've always known a lot about him, but nothing like you, the more I realize, you know, the big who, who, how, how, or whatever.
	I mean, it's all really from reality.
	I mean, it's all from things that were seen or videotaped or filmed.
	I mean, that thing is super accurate.
	Well, you're absolutely right.
	People just don't tend to understand that.
	I hear a lot of complaints saying that it was all Hollywood and Oliver made up a lot of stuff.
	That's not true at all.
	There's a book out there called JFK, the book of the movie, and it's the entire script, and it's completely annotated.
	Everything that is mentioned in the movie is shown in the book.
	You know, where it came from, who said what, what the actual testimony was.
	Yeah, there was a little bit of fudging the facts a little bit where it came to witnesses, for instance.
	If there were six or seven witnesses that all said one or two things... You would condense it down into one person?
	There you go.
	I mean, that's what Hollywood has.
	It's like the Patriot isn't just the Swamp Fox.
	He's two other people from South Carolina with the Swamp Fox.
	So it's basically all true, or 98% of it.
	It's just condensed into one character.
	You know, for the cinematic and literary reasons.
	Um... Yeah, just amazing, just amazing that he was able to make that film.
	You know, knowing, uh, being quote, an expert on George Bush, and I, you know, I am, I really studied it a lot.
	Seeing W, it's all completely accurate, stunningly accurate.
	The way they talk, the mannerisms, what they say, but it's lying by omission.
	Different from JFK.
	Because, because... Because it's what they leave out in W. It's, it's, it's a travesty.
	Have you seen W?
	No, I haven't seen it yet.
	Oh, it's a travesty.
	Well, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
	I know it couldn't possibly ever be as good as JFK was.
	But, you know, as I said, I admired President Kennedy.
	I was a big fan.
	He was the first politician in my life who I ever admired.
	And I can't stand George Bush.
	I truly cannot stand him.
	I think he's destroyed this country.
	You know, what can you say?
	I mean, the record speaks for itself.
	It does.
	Final segment.
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	The man that brought you this murder film.
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	Alright, I've got to let my guest go in like seven minutes.
	We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
	Aaron, you had one more question for, or comment for Mr. Grose.
	Well, I was just mentioning behind the scenes, didn't the JFK film itself have a role in, was it the Assassinations Review Board, or had to do with declassifying a lot of relevant documents, just as a lot of researchers, especially you, led to a lot of stuff getting into the public that would have never been seen if, you know,
	Yes, you're absolutely correct.
	At the end of the movie, JFK, it's mentioned that the records that were being held private until the year 2039.
	And as a result of that, there was a lot of requests of Congress to do something about it.
	And, uh, the Assassination Records Review Board was named, uh, to review and release what could be released, uh, all documents relating to the JFK assassination.
	It's called the JFK Records Act.
	And they actually existed for, I think, three years.
	They interviewed me on five separate days.
	I was actually spent, I guess, gosh, 70 some odd hours being questioned about the autopsy photographs and the photographic evidence of the Kennedy case, the films, what have you.
	Because outside of the Zapruder film, it was I who released all of the other films as well, 122 different films of the assassination and the autopsy pictures, and within
	My last two books, which was The Killing of a President and The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald, I released 1,200 photographs.
	And the new book will have 800, which will bring the total up to about 2,000.
	No, there's no doubt we can say that you are the grand poobah, the mac daddy, the big kahuna when it comes to getting the info out.
	Let's jam in some quick phone calls.
	Ray in Texas, go ahead.
	Mr. Brodin, how are you doing?
	I'm fine, and yourself?
	Oh, pretty good.
	Mr. Brodin, back when you said George Bush Sr.
	was director of the CIA, the CIA needed money to build, they're called dumb, deep underground military bases.
	And what they did is they couldn't funnel the money to Congress because that would be like going through the people.
	So what they did is they approached George Bush Sr.
	because he had the first offshore drilling rigs.
	He owns Papaka Oil here in Texas.
	And they started the whole cocaine running.
	They would bring the drugs onto the oil rigs and then into America.
	Didn't have to go through customs.
	Well sir, let me just stop you.
	The Russell Trust set up Skill and Bones as an opium monopoly.
	And the British East India Company and these same families have been bringing the drugs in here forever.
	And they were engaged in narcotics trafficking in World War II, so to say that... But just go ahead and make a point.
	Yeah, my point is the connection with JFK.
	Now, when they did this... Hold on a second.
	What it comes down to is, okay, they built a deep underground military base, and they funneled money through Congress.
	Kennedy found out about this.
	He found out about the drug situation, and he found out about the alien situation.
	He gave them two weeks to tell the American people about the alien situation and to get rid of the drugs.
	Three days later, he was dead.
	Alright, listen, I appreciate your call, Ray.
	I'm just not gonna go there, but thank you.
	Let's talk to Nelson in LA.
	You're on the air with our guest.
	Robert, how are you doing?
	My question was, I've got the documentary of the James Files confession.
	I wanted to know if there was any validation with that.
	The James Files situation is an open question.
	I tend to believe, at least the majority of it, simply because here's a guy who's
	Telling a story that can be checked out, or a great deal of it can be checked out, and the government refuses to find out if it's true or not.
	They won't investigate it.
	And I think the reason why they're not is because they're afraid that they'd find out that it is true.
	I tend not to immediately dismiss anything along that line.
	And here's a guy who's telling a story that most of it can be proven.
	The only part that can't be proven is his personal stuff.
	I knew Madeline for years.
	She and I had known each other, not the same way that Lyndon knew her.
	I tended to believe her story.
	Do you think they killed their son with that fast-acting cancer?
	Well, it's possible.
	I only spoke to Stephen once, Lyndon's son.
	Well, he looked.
	He was admittedly his mistress.
	I mean, that's on record.
	But the thing is that, will we ever know all of that story?
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't know.
	But, you know, Madeleine swore and wrote before Congress that Lyndon told her about the
	Yeah, what's up, Alex?
	First off, I want to thank you guys for your work.
	I just had a quick comment on how controlled the media is and how all this ties in together and how scripted everything is.
	It's funny how, speaking of the W movie, you said on your quick review on Monday or Sunday, you said how they built up Colin Powell as if he was a genius or a hero.
	And then on Monday, you turn on the TV and, you know, he has this, all the media outlets, they have him with this well-prepared speech on how he endorses Obama.
	Yeah, you've got Schwarzenegger endorsing Obama.
	You've got Powell doing it.
	I mean, all the front men, it tells you who they want.
	I'm not saying go for McCain either.
	The point is, is they're going to sucker everybody big time.
	Thanks for the call here.
	Let's take one last call.
	Rick in Texas, go ahead.
	Yeah, Rick, you want to go on air?
	Yeah, thanks.
	I didn't know you.
	Hey, in your book, there's a picture of the limousine speeding away from the school book depository.
	Then you blow it up and look at the people on the street, and there's Oswald on the street dressed in his clothes he was arrested in.
	Can you speak to that?
	Can you talk about maybe if there's enough time for him to get off the street and into that lunchroom?
	If you're talking about the man in the doorway,
	Uh, of the Depository, it's not Lee Oswald, it's Billy Lovelady.
	Uh, Billy Lovelady looked very much like Lee Oswald from the front.
	From the side, he looked nothing like him.
	And I presented pictures from both the front and the side.
	Uh, at the time that picture was taken, the actual moment that was taken, Lee was on the second floor talking to a woman named Geraldine Reed.
	Mrs. Reed testified to the Warren Commission about this.
	They told her to keep her mouth shut.
	She has just recently passed away, and there's a whole chapter in my new book relating to what she said.
	Alright, why... I have a question.
	Why did they kill the Dallas cop that looked just like Oswald?
	Do you think he was some type of double or involved?
	Well, J.D.
	Tippett, the cop you're talking about, didn't look all that much like President Kennedy, really.
	They were, you know, both slim-billed and like that, but I think the reason why they killed Officer Tippett was in order to link Oswald to something that the Dallas police would care about.
	They wouldn't care about the assassination of President Kennedy.
	That was meant to get them hyped up to go along with later killing him.
	There he goes, so that the warning shot, when Oswald was finally found, would find its mark.
	So that's a false flag, again, to get the cops stirred up, manipulate them.
	That's what I think.
	I mean, don't forget, Officer Tippett was killed with an automatic, and Oswald had a revolver.
	It was not the same type of weapon.
	Absolutely.
	Rick, I gotta let you go, and I'm sorry we heard those calls.
	We have to let our guest go.
	I don't want to abuse his time, and I've got some news I want to cover.
	Robert Grodin, I really appreciate you spending all this time with us, and I can't wait to see you again when we tape with you for a couple days up in Dallas after this year's anniversary.
	So I will see you soon, my friend, and thank you for all your tireless work.
	You're a real champion of liberty and truth.
	Thank you, Alex.
	That's very kind of you.
	And so are you, certainly.
	God bless you and take care of my... Oh, wait.
	All right.
	Is there any numbers you want to give out to get your books and videos, or is it just the website?
	No, just the website.
	JFKMurder.com is the easiest way.
	There's an address there.
	There's an order form.
	And as soon as the new book is available, it'll be announced on the website.
	Okay.
	Thank you so much, sir.
	Thank you.
	There he goes.
	Take care.
	All right.
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	Okay, let's go ahead and go to this.
	This is mixed in with the old audio tape from a year ago of E. Howard Hunt with the new video of E. Howard Hunt and then some more never before heard with his son speaking with myself and Jim Mars in Dallas a few months ago when we were up there taping.
	So this is a 14-minute piece.
	PrisonPlanet.tv members, it's super clear and awesome.
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	Here it is.
	The first thing that came to me was the audio tape, which he sent to me in January of 2004.
	He didn't call me and let me know that he was sending it, but one day I just checked my mail, picked up my mail, and there was a package from my father.
	There was no explanation of what was on this tape, so I just put the tape in my cassette recorder, and in it he outlines his knowledge of the conspiracy, which was codenamed The Big Event.
	I was a benchwarmer on it, and I had a reputation for honesty.
	I think it's essential to refocus on what this information that I've been providing you, and you alone by the way, consists of.
	What is important in the story is that we've backtracked the chain of command up through
	He was sick.
	I don't
	I heard his name before in relation to contract work that he did with the CIA.
	I think he was a pretty serious guy, a guy capable of doing just about anything.
	And to the right, the next name is Bill Harvey, who was a very flamboyant CIA man, carried around a couple pistols in his belt at all times, was a heavy drinker.
	And below at the bottom it says French gunman Grassi Nol.
	I mean, you've said now that David Phillips apparently met with Oswald in Mexico City before the assassination.
	You've said that Bill Harvey may very well have recruited a French or Corsican gunman to shoot.
	And you've also said that Cord Meyer had a motive in that his wife was having an affair with John F. Kennedy.
	I heard from Frank that LBJ had designated Kort Meier Jr.
	to undertake a larger organization while keeping it totally secret.
	I think that LBJ settled on Meier as an opportunist parent, like himself a parent.
	And a man who had very little left to him in life ever since JFK had taken Court White as one of his mistresses.
	And of course, could not number court Myra Volga, JFK's admirers.
	Quite the contrary.
	So now you have three CIA officials who had, let's say, the means, motive, and opportunity, you know, or some connection to kill Kennedy.
	That's true.
	Johnson, as we all know, was a very corrupt president.
	Yeah.
	Very capable of doing evil deeds, don't you think?
	Unquestionably.
	Unquestionably.
	And if he wanted something done, he may have turned to someone like Bill Harvey, who was also extremely corrupt and a psycho, basically.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yes.
	I can just visualize Harvey and LBJ.
	Forming a kind of a thieves compact between them.
	But I think if LBJ was an opportunist, and if he would not hesitate to get rid of obstacles in his way, I think he would later career exemplify that.
	The Vice President had the most to gain.
	And he was in a position where he could bring in people like Cornmire and others of interest and get their take on different things and then in turn issue instructions.
	There was nobody
	With the leverage that LBJ had.
	No competitor.
	He was the Vice President.
	And if he wanted to get rid of the President, then he had ability to do so by corrupting different people in CIA.
	And he had to do it.
	With the limitations of the CIA because there was no other group that honored, if I could use that term, that honored the clandestine limitations the way CIA did.
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	They could do something, turn their back on it, move on to something else.
	It was not like a military.
	There was no accounting in that sense.
	And we know that LBJ had an unlimited ambition.
	And we know that he was a corrupt individual.
	And that the dollar sign was very important to him.
	As vice president, he didn't have the leverage that a president did or would, and so that was an attractive goal for LBJ.
	He did not want his career to come to an end as vice president.
	Who knows about vice presidents?
	It was very important to him.
	That he'd take advantage as, to the extent that he could, as Vice President.
	Because just a few things had to be accomplished.
	He had to kill Kennedy, or have him killed, I should say, and be guilt-free himself.
	Then he could go on and do what he wanted to do as President of the United States.
	It was a very tempting and almost illogical move on his part.
	I keep thinking about Bill Harvey.
	Call Harvey and say, look, there are some things I want to have done.
	I mean, Harvey didn't want just another, an additional CIA salary.
	He wanted to move on.
	And LBJ could do that for him.
	If he were president, he couldn't do much for Harvey or anybody as vice president.
	That was why he used Harvey for being available and corrupt.
	It was very easy
	For even the Vice President to start working with Harvey or anybody else, just say, I want you to do this, I want you to do that, and making sure that they had money that was not their own.
	To do whatever the LBJ wanted to have done.
	So that when the President was assassinated, the Vice President was right there and ready to move along.
	It doesn't speak well for our democracy at that particular time.
	He, in my opinion, had an almost maniacal urge to become President.
	He regarded
	JFK is... There's about five, six minutes left and again it goes back into the new footage and then it cuts back into the old audio, but this is very important.
	It needs to be seen.
	We aired about 60, 70 percent of it here today.
	We've got hours and hours of it, but that's the main stuff, you know, admitting they killed JFK there.
	That's the kind of stuff that'll get a hit team down here, but footage is there and there's nothing new, government.
	There's nothing else.
	There it is.
	But we shouldn't have sat on it that long, and we're going to put it in the film a lot more.
	But I'm just not going to let that sit around here.
	It needs to get out now.
	I think Robert Grodin needs not be sitting on the stuff he's got.
	I've seen it.
	It's unbelievable.
	But his book's coming out, so c'est la vie.
	We had Grodin on for two and a half hours, roughly.
	And I covered a lot of news, of course, in the first hour as well on a host of important issues and took a bunch of phone calls.
	So that was a really good radio show today on this Thursday edition, the 23rd of October, 2008.
	And on the AM and FM dial, we'll be back different times of the day and night on stations that air us on the Internet, one place, rebroadcast right now, back in one minute, on the streams exclusively at InfoWars.com.
	God bless you all, have a great day, and thanks to my wonderful crew.