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Big Brother.
Mainstream media.
Government cover-ups.
You want answers?
Well, so does he.
He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome.
Thank you for joining us.
It is already Tuesday, the 26th day of February 2008.
We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
And guess who we have joining us today?
Eva Orner.
Just a couple nights ago, she got the Academy Award for Best Documentary 2008, Taxi to the Dark Side, about rendition, secret arrest, and the torture camps.
And in my goings and comings and travels, Eva Orner called me, I guess, about eight months ago and came with a documentary film crew, the same folks that made a lot of famous films.
And they came here to town.
They made Brothers Keeper and Metallica some kind of monster in Paradise Lost.
She came here with Joe Bellinger, a famous filmmaker, and interviewed me for some upcoming work they're doing.
And I got a chance to talk to her about how they were finishing up Taxi to the Dark Side.
And it beat Michael Moore's Sicko for the 2008 Best Documentary Award
And it's pretty hardcore.
Frankly, it could have been even more hardcore, but it's a lot of great research.
Amazing.
They were in Afghanistan, Iraq, you name it.
A lot of stuff I had never seen.
Photos and videos of torture I had never seen.
And then disgusting interviews with John Yoo and others.
And some of the torture guards.
So she's going to be popping in later in the show to talk about the Academy Awards.
She is the producer.
An amazing lady.
Headline, Australian wins documentary Oscar Eva Orner.
You can Google that.
An Oscar for Eva while Belfort misses out.
And you can just type Eva Orner into Google and read all about it or taxi to the dark side.
Orner wins.
Oscar slams U.S.
as war criminals.
So very, very powerful information there.
And then, of course, this weekend I saw a 9-11 blogger blurb from, it was actually from Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
One of their members was at an event and saw Willie Nelson's daughter, Paula Nelson, who's a great musician and singer in her own right, at an event and said, hey, do you agree with your dad's statement?
She said, oh yeah, I agree with it, of course.
And so I thought, why not just have her on?
I thought about having her on a few weeks ago, but I thought, you know, I'll give the Nelsons a rest.
We've had her dad on twice, but they're all right now.
We're going to get the Dixie Chicks on.
We're going to get some other folks on as well.
We'll talk about the war, a lot of other issues we're lining up right now.
Some other really big guests as well, but they're coming up later today.
We will have Paula Nelson on the show, talk about her dad, her own career.
What it's like being Willie Nelson's daughter, what it's like being a musician who speaks out politically, plays some of her songs as well.
That is coming up later in the show today, on this Tuesday, 26th of February 2008.
In the meantime...
Trader Greenspan urges Gulf states to abandon the dollar.
Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a traitor working against the interest of the American people by urging Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.
Another report here.
Here comes the $739 million...
Taxpayer bailout.
Clinton, Camp, and Drudge team up.
This is just some of what's coming up today.
Big broadcast lined up.
Call your friends.
Call your family.
Tell them tune in today.
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Trader Greenspan urges Gulf states to abandon the dollar.
You know, that's quite a headline by Paul Watson up on prisonplanet.com and infowars.com.
It's an amazing headline, and that's actually what he said.
And the implications of that.
All we have left in this country is our fiat currency.
I mean, 80 plus percent of our industrial base has been moved overseas.
The service economy is faltering.
Debt, corporate, private, government is leveraged at all-time highs.
We are on the verge of economic collapse.
According to the majority of experts, financial forecasters, we're hoping for just a deep recession and not a financial calamity.
We've been talking a lot about that the last few years here as this perfect storm came together.
But to have Greenspan come out and encourage Arabs to move away from the dollar, which will precipitate its downfall, is so they can fully wreck it and then dollarize, is how they're going to term it in the future, the North American and then the entire Pan-American Western Hemisphere, and claim, oh, we had to reorganize the dollar and put it to an international peg to rebuild it, which is the trilateral plan for now more than 30 years.
34 years now.
And this is quite a signal here.
The world has still not completely abandoned the dollar.
They're slowly creeping away from it, from China to Japan to Germany to Russia to Iran.
The neocons get on radio and say, Iran's dumping the dollar.
It's their fault.
While the government itself does everything it can to have a weak dollar policy.
Cheney, three years ago, dumped all of his dollars.
But that's never really discussed.
It's all, it's Iran's fault.
They did it!
So, the neocons carry out this operation for their banker masters, and then blame it on Iran.
As if one country could swing the dollar out of its global reserve currency position into one of a faltering currency.
As they always do.
Trader Greenspan urges Gulf Stage to abandon dollar.
This is a big deal.
Alan Greenspan has again exposed himself as a traitor working against the interests of the American people by urging Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg, a move that could result in financial chaos and an economic depression in the United States.
The dollar peg mandates Gulf nations to price their assets in U.S.
dollars and follow U.S.
monetary policy at a time when the Fed is cutting interest rates, a system that has produced a boom in oil revenue but led to high inflation as the dollar weakens.
Well, if they move off the dollar peg, it'll only make the dollar a week and even more, and will, quote, cost us more oil.
You've got to love the mainstream media spin.
Paul's basically quoting it there.
This is a quote.
It de-pegged, it probably...
The most useful thing that can be done to stop the increasing influence of foreign assets on the monetary system and therefore the monetary base, which is basically the major force in inflationary pressures, Greenspan told the Abu Dhabi Corporate Leadership Forum yesterday.
This is all quoted out of the Financial Times of London, AP, everybody carried it.
So he's saying, you know, oil's $100 a barrel because the dollar's been devalued
And you guys are pricing oil in dollars.
Well, just take it off of dollars and price it in euros or price it in a currency that's worth more per unit.
Well, you'll still have just as expensive oil if they price it at the equivalent of 62 euros instead of 100 dollars.
But if they do that,
It'll actually just make the dollar even lose more favor and then lose more confidence and lose more value.
And then we'll probably be paying $120 a barrel, which is what the elite wants.
So Greenspan, this is like going to someone who's sick who's got a toe chopped off and chopping their entire foot off.
This is just basic monetary, basic economic information.
But the general public
Can't find the U.S.
on a map.
Does another three branches of government.
They hear this, and they probably think it's a good idea.
Oh, yes!
Abandon the dollar further!
Oh, great idea!
That's just... No, they're trying to kill the dollar.
This is the biggest sign yet that they are openly trying to destroy this economy, while being hailed as big fixers at the same time.
According to Economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.
dollar...
As the currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.
In the short term, free floating will not fully dissipate inflationary pressure, although it would significantly do so.
What does that mean?
Added green span, giving a green light for Gulf states to drop the dollar pick.
Don't you love that double speak?
In the short term, free floating will not fully...
Disapplate inflationary pressure, though it would significantly do so.
According to Economist editor Paul Woodall, Greenspan's comments heralded the beginning of the end of the U.S.
dollar as a currency of choice for foreign exchange reserves.
In Asia, central banks hold today more than 80% of the global foreign exchange reserves, which indicate the shift of the global economy domination towards Asia.
It seems quite awkward that the UAE still maintains the peg of its currency to the U.S.
dollar, she told Gulf News.
You know what?
I know we have Eva Warner coming on.
I know we have Paula Nelson.
But in the second hour, we've got some time.
Get me Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, or get me... Just tell them a ten-minute interview.
I want some of their comments on this to get there.
I know what they're going to say, but you need to hear it from experts.
Or try to pop in and get...
Bob Chapman.
We can get them quick and easy.
They're good guys.
We heard the same thing from Joseph Steklitz, Nobel Prize winner, chief economist, World Bank, former chief economist.
Or you'd hear it from any other expert.
We could get George Humphrey in here, very accredited economist and businessman.
Folks, let me just give it to you straight.
All we have left, you've heard all the experts here, is the dollar.
Okay, and it's tanking right now.
Slowly sliding into oblivion.
This is Greenspan literally trying to... The dollar is like a drowning man or drowning woman fighting to get air, struggling every minute or so to get one quick gulp of air and being pushed back under by the global architects of the financial infrastructure.
And now the dollar's been underwater about four minutes.
Water's going into our lungs.
We're starting to pass out.
And we had one chance to get to the shore, get a gulp of air, get to shore, and Greenspan literally has basically taken a hammer and hit the drowning person on the head.
This is unbelievable.
I do not have words to explain how devastating this is, how evil this is.
How over the top, we will be completely financially destroyed.
And by the way, every financial expert we've interviewed, even mainline analysts say, that if the dollar plunges another 20% even, they're talking about more now, depending on the expert, 20, 30%, if it does that, it will bring down other currencies.
It will cause a worldwide implosion.
Anybody who wondered whether the central bankers
And the big banks that are out there, you know, rating junk as AAA and selling securities and selling credit card debt, they bundle that and then sell it as some wonderful security when it's horrible debt, very dangerous, especially at this time in history, historically very bad investments, and they've been AAA rating it.
The states are about to go bankrupt.
The federal government is bankrupt.
You've got 40-plus percent inflation the last couple years combined with people on fixed incomes in red-level crisis already.
All of this is cascading now into businesses and companies and the service industry and into the automobile industry, the manufacturing, durable, value-added goods.
And Greenspan...
Well, I mean, he's been doing this now for the last year, coming out and bad-mouthing the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the dollar, coming out and saying bad things about the economy.
This is just... I'm actually dumbfounded right now.
I'm not even shaken.
I'm more just stunned.
I'm... I don't even know what... I'm literally speechless.
Let me just read the article here.
This is incredible.
Greenspan's zeal to destroy the dollar is evident in numerous public statements he has made, predicting the replacement of the dollar with a euro as the world reserve currency.
The former Fed chairman has repeatedly badmouthed the dollar and hyped the inevitability of economic chaos at a time when market confidence is in the toilet.
Greenspan's rhetoric matches that of the IMF, who in October of last year brazenly slammed the dollar as it overvalued at the same time the greenback hit its all-time low against the euro.
A decision on behalf of the Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg would have disastrous consequences for the greenback and the American economy.
Such a move could lead the likes of the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia
To diversify their foreign exchange holdings out of dollars.
This would amount to a vote of no confidence in the dollar and may cause other countries with large dollar reserves, may cause, it's already happening, such as China and Japan to follow suit and begin dumping the green back en masse.
They've already been doing it.
But yeah, they would accelerate that.
This is it, folks.
And the public is so ignorant and so ill-informed that you watch.
You're going to be at the...
Church or golf course or the mall or family, when we're in a depression, hearing them tell you about how Greenspan's working to save us, they just need to be slapped upside the head.
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Thank you to the Academy.
Thank you to all the people who worked on this film.
Sloane Cleven, my editor, Maurice Alberti and Greg Andraki, all the executives, producers, thank you to everybody.
This is an extraordinary moment.
Very difficult film to make.
It's a great moving moment to get this statue.
Thank you.
I'd just like to thank Alex Gibney, actually, for taking such a chance and being so brave to make this film at a time when people said this film should not be made.
I'm incredibly proud and honoured to be here as only one of two Australians nominated this year.
Thank you.
And I'd actually like to take the time to thank all the participants in the film and all the servicemen who risked a lot by coming to New York and telling their story after they'd already had such a hard time with this current administration's policies.
It was really brave of them, and hopefully people will watch the film and think things should change.
Thank you very much.
That's right, all enemies of liberty.
We're coming straight on, straight on.
It goes for all my enemies here locally.
We're coming straight on, straight on.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
I think.
That's right.
Now I'm strong.
And I'm coming through.
Straight on.
That goes for Alan Greenspan, all of them.
All the criminals in government, from our mayor to the New World Order.
You, the American people, people of this planet, are coming straight on.
We're exposing the New World Order.
And we're never going to back down.
And we're never going to stop.
And we're going to let the people know who their enemies are.
We're going to let them know who staged the terror attacks.
We're going to let them know who the torturers of children are.
We're coming straight on.
Straight on.
You've made up my mind.
Now I'm strong.
Straight on.
We don't have a choice.
We've got to come straight on.
Forget the maneuvers.
Go straight at them.
That's the way to win the fight, ladies and gentlemen.
Stop caring what your neighbors, stop caring what your employees, your boss thinks.
Stop thinking about the cost.
And start thinking about what's going to happen when we defeat these people.
Because I'm going to tell you right now, ladies and gentlemen, if you give in to fear and you think about what the New World Order might do to you if they win, and you've already lost, you've got to think about the bigger cost.
Ladies and gentlemen, understand that it's only us that stand between all the innocence out there the New World Order is responsible
Literally feeding on and abusing and destroying.
So get past your fear and look at the bigger cost.
Think about the larger picture of humanity and society and where we're going.
Yeah, that film calling for socialized health care lost, but the film exposing the bloodthirsty torture and the cob activities and the orders from Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzalez, John Yoo...
That's now been exposed.
You know, it's going to be on HBO now, and it's going to be all over the place, and in your local video store, and people are going to find out the truth, how they took innocent people and murdered them, tortured them to death.
Now is the time, ladies and gentlemen, to throw caution to the wind, and to take action, to commit fully
And then it doesn't matter anymore.
Because you're committed, and you're coming straight on.
We'll be right back with Academy Award winner, Eva Horner.
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Here are the headlines.
Australian wins documentary Oscar, Eva Horner.
She is the producer.
An Oscar for Eva.
Another headline, Harold's son.
Oscar winner Eva Orner slams U.S.
government as war criminals.
They are war criminals.
We had Willie Nelson on again last week.
We've got his daughter, quite a musician in her own right, and vocalist joining us in the third hour.
Bunch of financial news coming up as Greenspan tries to kill the dollar.
But I really appreciate her and her busy schedule.
HBO just bought the film, and it's an amazing documentary.
Let's go ahead and play the trailer.
It's not as powerful, obviously, as the...
It became plausible to me that this man wasn't even guilty of anything and he was murdered in detention.
People do crazy things.
People were being told to rough up Iraqis that wouldn't cooperate.
We were also told they're nothing but dogs.
Interrogators were telling the guards, strip this guy naked, chain him up to the bed in an uncomfortable position, do whatever you can.
You had these young soldiers with very little training, just as the rules were changing.
And they weren't told what the new rules were.
You start looking at these people as less than human, and you start doing things to them you would never dream of.
And that's where it got scary.
It was only the night shift.
There's always a few bad apples to brass mew.
They saw him shackled and hooded, and they said, right on, y'all are doing a great job.
There were emails from FBI personnel down at Guantanamo saying, you won't believe what's going on down here.
We've got to disassociate ourselves.
You have no right to a lawyer, you have no right to witnesses, you don't really know what the charges are, and you certainly don't know what the secret evidence is against you.
It's taken at the height of the Pentagon to put out a fog of ambiguity.
We have to work the dark side of the whale.
We're going to spend time in the shadows.
What starts at the top of the chain of command drops like a rock down the chain of command.
American values are premised upon the notion of human dignity.
We don't know what revenge is coming down the road.
There will be no outrages upon human dignity.
It's very vague.
Taxi to the Dark Side, taken from Cheney, talking about we're in the dark side now.
Eva Orner, congratulations.
I'm really honored to count you as a friend.
You're an amazing filmmaker.
Thanks, Alex.
It's lovely to be on your show as a guest.
Yeah, it's been a pretty great week so far.
What can I say?
What was it like to be... I mean, we're talking about the film, of course, but to be nominated and then to win when they said Eva Orner and A Taxi to the Dark Side?
You know, it was really great.
We were so hoping we were going to win because...
It's such an important film, and all of the documentary nominees this year, out of five films, four of them were war-related films.
There was a film about Iraq, No Indian Sight.
There was Operation Homecoming about the soldiers.
And it was a great acknowledgement from the Academy that something is wrong with this country, and the Academy is a very conservative force, so it was really a great vindication and validation of all of our work.
We were concerned that, because of all the films, ours is The Darkest.
It's about torture.
It's
You know, it's incredibly critical of the administration.
It features waterboarding.
It features so many difficult subjects.
And we were a little nervous that maybe it was too dark for the Academy.
But we really wanted to win.
And also, you know, I must talk about Alex Gibney.
He's the writer, director, producer.
I'm the producer of the film.
And, you know, he's been making films for a long time.
He made Enron's Smartest Guys in the Room.
He was nominated for another Oscar a couple of years ago.
And I'm just... We're so thrilled because he's so deserving.
He's one of the best filmmakers working in the country today.
And...
It was great vindication and validation.
And, you know, it was really fun.
Well, you've done an incredible job as the producer, the head honcho over the whole deal.
And I'm just blessed and lucky to have ever even bumped into you, even because you're so smart and such a sweet person.
You also have the clip.
We had Professor Castle on a few years ago when this first came out.
You know, the clip where John Yoo writes in these memos about crushing children's testicles in front of their parents, and then Professor Castle at a closed CFR meeting, even the CFRs mad at him in Chicago.
You're not supposed to record it, but Castle did.
He had to get this out.
And Yoo just says, yeah, the president has that authority.
I mean, immersing yourself in this film, you guys started working on this film back when it still wasn't kosher to get into this type of topic, back when the regime was still riding high to a certain extent.
So tell us about the process of deciding to make this film
When it began.
All these locations.
I mean, it's such an incredible film.
Getting to interview some of the guards that did the torture.
People who were convicted and sent to jail.
But you have the memos and documents where they were ordered to do it.
I mean, just basically the process, Eva.
Sure.
I mean, the film started.
We finished the film about a year ago.
And it's been on the festival circuit for the year.
And it obviously has just been released.
But, you know, we started making it a year and a half ago before that.
So it's really a two and a half year process.
And the film came out of some conversations with Alex Kidney, the director, and a couple of extraordinary people who became executive producers and actually put a lot of money into the film when no one else would.
And it came out of a conversation about what is going on in this country.
Things are being reported in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
Why aren't people in the streets?
Why aren't people screaming?
The rule of law is being broken.
There is no regard for habeas corpus.
The Geneva Conventions are being disregarded and it was just this conversation that was just about rage and it was a conversation involving patriotic Americans who were so disturbed by what was happening to their country.
And, you know, people have branded the film anti-American and it's the complete opposite.
It's about the preservation of what made America great and what America should be.
So, you know, a couple of the executive producers, one was Rob Johnson, who used to be a right-hand man of George Soros.
Another one was John Glasgow, who's an incredible human rights attorney.
Sidney Blumenthal, who was one of Bill Clinton's policy advisors in the Clinton administration.
These people all came forward early on and, you know, they put their money where their mouths were and really helped us out because we were having trouble getting distributors to put money up on the film.
You know, Alex's previous film was incredibly successful, Enron, as I said.
And a lot of people were saying...
Is this really the follow-up film you want to make to Enron?
This could be a really big mistake.
It could be career damaging.
And, you know, kudos to Alex for having the unbelievable courage, tenacity and dogged determination to say, I have to make this film.
We have to make this film.
So that was sort of the genesis of the film.
And then from there, you know, we gathered, as you know with documentaries, we gathered a small and very hard-working crew of people
Did you... I mean, of course you learned a lot making the film.
Did you ever get really creeped out?
Yeah.
It was, I think we all say often, it was really, it was the hardest film I think any of us have ever made.
I mean, you know, the materials gruel, and you know what it's like when you're in an edit suite looking at horrible material.
You know, we got a lot of classified photographs that nobody had seen before from Abu Ghraib.
The thing that I find the most disturbing in the film is actually there's some, there's just some cell phone videos from inside the prisons of prisoners smashing their heads against walls and collapsing, and I mean...
It's just so brutal and so inhumane and unhuman.
It's just, you know, it's hard to be around that kind of material all the time.
One of the, it sounds so silly, but one of the saving graces of us making this film and keeping our sanity was we were making another film at the same time, which was a lot lighter in subject about, it just premiered at Sundance in competition and it's about Hunter S. Thompson, the great writer.
And, you know, we were able to sort of bounce between the projects a little bit because, you know, a year and a half being immersed in torture and your failing country is very hard to take.
You bring away from the film with the eyewitnesses, the documents, the death certificates, that the White House with the memos, the orders, the systematic, whether it was in Cuba or Iraq, at Guantanamo Bay where our government has a base, or in Afghanistan...
That it was all the same standard torture, the same sensory deprivation, hanging people from the tops of their cells for days on end.
All of this, beating people until they're, according to coroner's reports, liquefied the tissue in their bodies, literally turning them into jello.
And then to have the White House send people to prison who they ordered to do this, but then that was enlisted people, but promote...
The individuals, the officers who were actually above it, and the one lady who ran it in Iraq and Afghanistan, they send her to the interrogation training base, and now she's over training.
I mean, to know that the White House ordered all this, and then when they got caught, they said, oh, no, we're not behind this.
And, of course, you also point out how 24 has created a constituency for torture, how they're brainwashing.
Can you talk about that?
I mean, you know, I think the villains of the film, obviously, are George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, John Yoo and Gonzales.
But, you know, the big criminal, I'm ashamed to say, is a woman called Carolyn Wood, who obviously did not interview for the film and has done absolutely no media.
And, you know, she went from prison to prison enforcing these torture methods.
And as you say now, you know, her punishment first.
This great violation of human rights and, you know, the American way is to be, you know, to end up in a training, an interrogation training military facility.
So, you know, she's a complete villain.
She does no media.
She does nothing.
And I guess the most interesting thing, one of the most interesting things in the film is, you know, a bunch of these young officers, these ex-military guys that we have in the film who are young.
I think it's fair to say a lot of them aren't overly educated and certainly weren't educated in the ways of the military.
And they were thrown into these situations where they were
Untrained interrogators, some of them had never come across the Geneva Conventions, and that's what the higher-ups wanted.
And they were put into these incredible situations of stress, of fear of terrorism in America, that was placed on their shoulders, and that they had to get information by any means possible, often from innocent people who had just been picked up in the fields of Afghanistan,
And what's so interesting is we managed to get a number of these people to talk to us.
And I think they're the heroes of the film because they're so brave and they're so honest.
And they know they did the wrong thing.
But they're also willing to talk about the fact that they're misguided.
And, you know, when you're put into a bad situation, people do bad things.
Well, you also captured the essence.
You also captured in the film the essence.
And this is the point we've always made from guests and witnesses that we've had on just in a radio format.
That this was the White House and their technocrats seducing the military, seducing the public, really trying to sell us on the most barbarous forms of torture.
And everything in your film is documented.
I don't want to say it's soft, it's horrible, it's about as hardcore as it can get, but reality is even several steps deeper and worse, like the Army's own report from General Tagumbo, where they admit raping the people, using acid with large objects.
I mean, I can't even get into it on air, but this is even an MSNBC.
So as bad as the film is, I want people to understand, and it was very upsetting even to me, I got tears in my eyes several times, studying this,
Studying torture the last ten years, knowing our government for decades has been training the world how to torture, I think it makes the film even stronger that, you know, you guys, I know, could have even made it more hardcore.
And the CIA admits, we've had the former section chief on.
That they wouldn't arrest real al-Qaeda or Taliban.
In fact, Taliban and al-Qaeda would go just grab goat herders and turn them over and get $10,000, $20,000, $30,000 in some cases.
And the bases even knew that they were innocent, but they would then send them on after being tortured out of Afghanistan, out of Iraq, to Camp X-Ray in Cuba to keep the cover-up going.
And then the CIA brainwashing.
I mean, it's just so incredible.
And I'm trying to describe a...
90-minute film here, and I guess it's impossible to do on radio.
Yeah, I mean, that's really covered in our film.
You're absolutely right.
And one of the examples of that is, in order to tell this story in a cinematic and interesting way, we had to find a story and a metaphor for what this government is doing and what torture can do to people.
And we found that in the story of Gilawah, who's this young Afghani cab driver who's innocently picked up and
And sent to Bagram where he's, as you say, he's pulpified to death, essentially.
He's beaten by the military and he ends up dead.
And he was picked up in a cab.
He was driving with two other people who were both innocent.
And they were actually, after Dilawar died, they were sent on for absolutely no reason.
It was proven that they were innocent and they were sent to Guantanamo where they remained for a couple of years.
They've since been released and returned to Afghanistan.
But it was just about filling up this facility.
It was about saving space for the government.
It was about
You know, getting 500 men with dark skin and showing them to the world in orange jumpsuits as terrorists.
And it's just, it's incomprehensible to me.
And it's incomprehensible to me that some of the Republican, you know, frontrunners who are no longer, thank goodness, in the upcoming elections, you know, were saying we need to double the size of Guantanamo.
You know, based on what, this incredible success?
I mean, come on.
It's just...
It just doesn't make any sense.
You know, having made this film and being so okay with all of this material, it still just is like a bad movie.
Well, Eva, your film's been done for a year, but it's very timely now because they're going to try a bunch of these people who have no connection to 9-11.
And after six years of incarceration and torture, even mainstream news is saying you can't believe anything they say.
And then these trials aren't even real trials.
So now we're going to have kangaroo courts six years later.
Well, and the death penalty is what they're going for.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
And, you know, we have a number of human rights attorneys in the film and they talk about the fact that they had no access to their clients for many years and how preposterous that was.
And one of my favourite comments and one of my favourite characters is Clive Stafford-Smith, who's an English human rights attorney, and he says, you know, when I was studying in America, it never crossed my mind that I would be having trouble to get access to my clients and that my clients would have no right to a trial.
I mean, it's just...
It just makes no sense.
It's the same kind of thought for me as, you know, when I'm 38 years old and when I was studying, and I'm Australian, and when I was studying in Australia, legal studies, learning about these great precedent cases like Roe versus Wade, and suddenly, you know, 25, 30 years later, there's a possibility that they'll be turned over, and it just doesn't make sense.
It seems so... It just seems like the world's a little backwards these days.
Well, what they do is, and you point this out, they get everybody into fear...
And then they try to set the precedent to be able to torture children.
In fact, let's go ahead, and you've got two different John Yoo clips.
Play the short one, John, first.
This is John Yoo in the CFR being questioned by Professor Castle about writing that they can sexually torture children.
Here it is.
So in other words, if the president deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop that?
And then also no more by Congress.
That's what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.
I don't think President will ever... And then even the elitist CFR in Chicago laughed at him.
Eva Orner, the Justice Department's investigating him.
There's talk of indictments against John U. now, Eva.
Yeah, it's pretty unbelievable.
I mean, I won't believe it until I see it.
But, you know, I always feel like these guys who are involved in this administration have so heavily self-protected themselves.
You know, I feel like they've written in all this legislation to protect themselves from any kind of questioning or any possibility.
Stay there.
Let's talk about it on the other side.
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Knocked down the wall.
Eva Horner is coming straight on for the neocon Bush administration.
She's in papers all over the world saying war criminals run our government.
And if we don't bring them to justice, it'll then be in our name.
And people will see Americans as the Germans were seen after Hitler.
I mean, this is hardcore murder of innocent people who they knew were innocent, literally just to have the illusion while Bush is saying, don't go after bin Laden.
Who he supposedly said attacked us.
Meanwhile, let's take some 15, 13, in some cases, year-old kids...
You're the expert on this.
You lead.
I mean, oh God, what is the most chilling part?
You know, to me, to me it's, I think I, to me it's really, it's really the images, it's really, well, you know, it's actually, you know what the saddest thing to me in the whole film is, is at the end of the film when you find out, you know, the fate of a number of soldiers who were involved in, you know, in torture and brutal interrogation techniques and when you see what happened to their lives and, you know, you see that these kids in their 20s, usually from the South, I think it's fair to say,
You know, their lives are ruined.
One of them says that, you know, financially he's ruined.
He can't get a job.
He's, you know, they've spent time in military prison.
And these are the victims of the administration.
And, you know, and everyone else who's going to leave this current administration that already has goes on to prestigious jobs and nothing happens to them.
And I guess that's why I've been saying that, branding them as war criminals in the media, because that's what war criminals do.
They commit acts of atrocity and they get away with it.
And...
I think that's probably, you know, aside from all the images of torture and all of the terrible images that we see, I really think it's these innocent people who signed up, who served our country, unlike most of the people in the current administration, who then got scapegoated and ended up in prison.
Well, speaking of that, Eva, I remember I was even in the Associated Press and other news wires a few years ago
One of the guards in Afghanistan, a private contractor who tortured people to death, he was about to blow the whistle and said, look, we were ordered to, and then they used the Patriot Act on him to shut him up.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it's just,
You know, it's just incredible evil to me.
I mean, I think another thing that's really worth talking about is the fact that, you know, we're all obviously, you know, pretty far on the left side, all of us filmmakers, but it was really important for us to make this not a left-wing, you know, propaganda piece.
And so one of the things we were very cautious and careful to do was to try and get, you know, insiders in the Republican side of the country to talk.
And, you know, people like Alberta Moira, who was a former Navy general counsel...
And he was very much behind stopping what was going on at Abu Ghraib.
I just think it's really worth letting audiences know that this is not a propaganda piece.
It's a journalistic piece.
No, I'm going to say right now, as bad as it is, there's actually even a lot more stuff that's even worse.
I'm sure you came across the Army report where they admitted that 98%
That are sent to Abu Ghraib or picked up at checkpoints for not having proper papers and that women were raped in front of their husbands.
Did you see that?
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean, that's what happened to our lead guy who was murdered.
I mean, and it's also, it's very much, you know, the reason we know about these stories is because of the incredible people on the ground in Afghanistan working for the papers in America.
You know, people like Carlotta Gold who discovered the Gilawar story.
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White House people running it aren't stupid.
They're just arrogant and full of bravado, full of hubris.
The sin of the gods.
And if they're able to get away with torture and creating a constituency for torture and selling us that it's okay, it's over.
And now we see police nationwide copycatting, abuse has gone up in the prisons.
Eva, your film really points all this out that...
We really have been seduced over to the dark side.
I think we're pulling away from it now.
That's why I just think this is one of the most powerful films, documentaries I've ever seen because I think I know it all about this stuff and I'm immersed in it, but I became very upset and I hardly ever feel almost panicked, but it was just exactly like some of the cell phone video inside the torture facilities and
My God, just seeing it.
I mean, it makes movies like Saw or Hostel.
That's nothing on the real thing, is it?
Yeah.
You know, I think you're right.
Another thing that I should mention is, you know, we made this, as I said, we finished it a year ago.
When we were making it, you know, when we started it two and a half years ago, we were so naive.
Our biggest concerns were, God, what if it's irrelevant by the time it's ready to come out and be in cinemas?
And, you know, when you think about it now, it's more relevant than it ever could have been.
And we were so naive and so hopeful.
But I do think that this is an incredibly exciting time, you know, this part of the year up until November.
And I feel like everyone in the country is outraged.
Everyone is furious.
It's so great that the film has got an Oscar nomination because more... Sorry, that it's got an Oscar.
Because it hasn't quite sunk in.
Because you know what?
A lot more people are going to see the film now.
You know, it's still in cinemas.
It's going to get a lot more people to see the film.
A lot more people get outraged.
And hopefully that will affect the elections later in the year.
And also, you know, the other thing you talk about is, you know, just how what's been going on in the country has affected popular culture, and you mentioned 24 earlier in the show, and it's funny, I had never ever watched 24 before we did this film, and...
You know, there was a weekend and I took home a couple of box sets of the whole series and I was just, I mean, everyone loved this show.
This was a huge show.
People I knew loved this show and I watched it and I was just outraged.
And we used, I'm so happy that we used a clip in the film to explain what a ridiculous notion the ticking time bomb scenario is.
Because I've seen it in law enforcement magazines long before 9-11, they were selling police on this, that there's a bomb about to go off, do you torture the person's child to get answers?
And then in 24, they actually have that plot.
I just love it, because again, I've mentioned him already, Clive Stafford Smith, who's this incredibly UK-based...
Human rights lawyer.
He says, you know, and it's so great as he tells the story in the film, we show the footage on 24 and he says, you know, there's a terrorist, he's got a bomb in Times Square and he's about to kill a million people.
What do we do?
And we've got the guy in custody.
So are we allowed to strap the electrodes to his testicles to get him to talk?
And we have a scene sort of mimicking that in 24.
Evil!
You know, this is such an important film.
It is.
Can I have you and the director back on before it goes on HBO, maybe for a full hour, Eva?
Absolutely.
Alex is a wonderful guy.
Absolutely.
Once I get back to New York, because I'm still in L.A., we could totally work that out.
Absolutely.
I'd be honored, Alex.
I'm a big fan, as you know.
Well, Eva, you're a sweetheart, and I'm just so honored to know you, and I'm just honored to be able to interview you.
Fire out the official website, because I see several different sites.
Which site should people visit?
The official website is TaxiToTheDarkSide.com.
TaxiToTheDarkSide.com.
We've got a link to that up on Infowars.com.
Eva Ornish?
And also, I think we're going to be down to South by Southwest, because our other film is screening there.
So we might be down in Austin in a few weeks.
Oh, oh, I tell you.
You know, I rarely want to beg for tickets, but I might even buy a wristband for that one.
Well, you know what?
I might see you at South by Southwest.
Yeah, I might be able to get you in, Alex.
Oh, you're too good.
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You know, every day I think about how I better do a good job.
Willie Nelson's a fan.
Eva Orner.
Charlie Sheen.
Charlton Heston.
Of course, you know what?
You notice I don't come on air and say to Eva, Hey, what do you think of my films, Eva?
What do you think of me?
She just brings up, Hey, I'm a fan of what you do.
But that doesn't make me get a big head.
It actually freaks me out.
Because I could tell you stories, folks, of the things I've seen in Hollywood, the things I've seen here locally in Austin, how many people are awake, the people that are awake.
But I'll never betray them.
I'll never talk about
We're good to go.
He's had big blockbusters and quite a few art films as well.
He's more known for his art films.
Then he goes, oh, by the way, I'm friends with Bruce Willis.
It woke him up.
Gave him your video.
And now he says, and then the proof was six months later he's in Vanity Fair saying a secret group runs the U.S.
and the same group that killed Kennedy runs the government today.
We woke Bruce Willis up, folks.
Now, listen.
I've got an incredible responsibility.
But I can't enjoy any of this, quote, success because I'm constantly freaked out by the fact that they're putting poison in our water.
They are destroying our currency.
They're about to start World War III.
But all I can do is fight back then.
I mean, everybody I know says, why aren't you happy?
Why are you so serious?
Why are you always obsessed with this stuff?
How could you not be obsessed with a pack of psychopathic killers running the world government, setting up world taxes, trying to sell us on torture?
Well, they won the Academy Award exposing how the White House ordered torture.
Now they're talking about indicting John Yoo, who wrote the memo saying they could torture children sexually.
I've said he should be immediately arrested.
Now, he was in Army Counterintelligence, one of the most successful gold brokers out there, stocks, bonds, you name it.
He's got a financial pedigree that is second to none.
He's...
Joins us, popping in on short notice, and I appreciate him doing that after we just had that Academy Award winning producer on for Taxi to the Dark Side.
Willie Nelson's daughter's coming up next hour.
You know, I've been here vitriolically talking about everybody's waking up and we're exposing these people, but we put an article up today, several articles up today, where...
I'm trying to find the article.
I read it at the start of the first hour.
I just can't keep track of it all.
Let me go to Prison Planet and try to pull it up.
But I know Bob has already seen it.
Greenspan, two days ago, and it just hit the news today, gave a speech to the association...
We're good to go.
And according to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts and Joseph Sticklitz and Bob Chapman and, I mean, how many experts have we had on?
All we've got left is the dollar.
And just last week, Dr. Roberts, former Wall Street Journal editor, the father of Reaganomics, head of the Treasury, he said here that...
Depression, total collapse if the dollar collapses.
And he said if the dollar can just hold, it's kind of a mediocre currency, we may just slide into a five-year recession.
Same thing Bob Chapman's been saying.
And then Greenspan comes out and says, no, it's good, let's get rid of the dollar.
I was shaken when I saw this this morning, but it fits in with his activity the last year.
And this is treason, is it not, Bob Chapman?
Right, and the answer is diehard.
Anyway, that is quite a switch for Mr. Greenspan.
But, you know, Mr. Greenspan's been on their payroll for a long time.
And he's saying what he is being told to say.
And if that is the case, he is telling you that the insiders have decided they're going to let the dollar go.
It's no longer going to be the reserve currency.
It'll be one of many other currencies.
The OPEC members will probably use a basket of currencies which they already have set up.
Haven't used, but haven't set up.
They've abandoned any premise, possibility of the dollar continuing as a world monetary unit.
And how far it goes down remains to be seen.
But when you spoke of inflation and what Mr. Greenspan said about inflation,
That is absolutely and thoroughly incorrect.
Because if the dollar continues to fall, because it's not going to be a reserve currency anymore, and countries won't have to hold large amounts of it, then that currency will enter the marketplace in one form or another, whether it's being used to buy stocks or properties or gold or silver or whatever.
When it hits the market, it's going to be more inflationary than we have already, and we're already at 12%.
Now, Bob Chapman, am I correct in saying, because I don't want to miss the forest for the trees,
But it seems like this is literally an elementary, kindergarten-level, economic 101, that if the dollar continues to tank, that's the cause of the inflation, is because they devalued it by over-issuance of the currency, liquidity, and the credit, and sold all this bad debt, and that having the bag handed back to us will only accelerate its destruction and our standard of living.
I mean, how can he get up there and say...
A tanking dollar is good for inflation.
Do they think the public's that dumb?
Well, first of all, you may have an elementary knowledge, but it's quite good.
And what you've just said is perfect.
The only gaping hole there is that while all this is going on, in order to keep the U.S.
economy and the world economy, for that matter, from slipping into deflation, what they must continue to do is increase money and credit.
As fast as I can.
It's being increased 16% right now, and 18 of the other 20 major currencies are running around 14% on average.
Some of them are higher, some of them are lower.
The European Monetary Unit, the Euro, the European Central Bank, ECB, and over in London it's 12.3.
We get 2.9.
So everybody's on the bandwagon.
So what are they doing?
They're all...
They're all depreciating their currencies at the same time to keep the inevitable away, which is deflation.
They know what's coming.
They've known since 2002 when they made the turn at the corner and then the Middle East blew up in their face.
Brzezinski came out two years ago and said, you've set us back 30 years in our quest for world government, referring to the Bush administration.
They have just made so many mistakes, and they're going to get caught.
And the whole thing's going down, just like Paul Craig Roberts said.
And it's just not good.
And the inflation's going to be there, and it's going to be big time.
So we're going to have stagflation.
That's right.
Unemployment, frozen or very small wage increases, productivity increases will probably run normal, which are 2.5%.
And then you get a collapsing real estate market, a credit crisis.
Here's the $64 million question, Bob Chapman, and I appreciate you popping in to comment on this today.
Why are the big central banks, the IMF, the other organizations over there, the big central banks of Europe, why are they...
Going along with this, why would they want to accelerate the destruction of the dollar when they hold so many reserves in it?
Why are they doing this?
Who stands to gain from this?
It's a commonality of losses.
And, you know, I think what they're looking at is the final product here is that all currencies go down against gold because they can't hold gold down forever.
And I'll get into that in a second.
But if they're all going to go down, those currencies against gold,
They'll say, ipso facto, I think we should have a world currency now.
And that's really what they're asking.
Maybe they're trying to take them all down for that reason.
Well, they've said they have to build the euro, then make the dollar fall, then claim it's because of currency problems, dollarize the Americas, then have destabilization between those, and then, oh, we've just got to have a world peg on the currency.
That's probably the final culmination of what they're doing.
And you saw the events here on Friday and Monday with regard to rumors on CNBC that AMBAC and MBIA are going to be bailed out and that they'll keep their AAA ratings.
And then S&P said yesterday that they will allow them to keep their ratings even though one of them just put out some notes that are paying 14%.
Doesn't sound like AAA to me.
And so why did they do that?
Well, they had to calm the market, but they also knew some horrible news was coming.
The PPI figures were at 1% on the month.
You were looking at 10% falls in sales and house prices and consumer confidence indexes in the basement someplace.
And they knew all this was coming.
And so that's a game they played.
They're manipulating all the markets.
Now, what will happen is slowly the market, the stock market, will go back down again, and slowly gold will start to move back up again.
And, of course, they threw in an IMF sale, which McCormick at the Treasury, who was appointed, incidentally, by Paulson, both from Goldman, he says, oh, the administration says it's okay to sell that gold.
If they cut some expenses.
To be clear, what was that a week ago?
That's right.
The IMF dumped a ton of gold on the market trying to suppress prices, and gold responded by going to $9.50.
It's at $9.46 right now.
So if they wouldn't have dumped all that gold on the market, would gold be above $1,000 right now?
Oh, sure.
Incidentally, I have a piece in tomorrow's issue written by Jim Sinclair about the history of IMF dumping.
Well, stay there.
Let's come back and talk about that if you can with us, Bob Chapman.
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Gold is at $9.47 and climbing right now.
Look, bottom line, Bob Chapman, theinternationalforecaster.com.
You can email him there, get a free copy of his newsletter.
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Bob, in the minute or two we've got left here, and I appreciate you popping in, in layman's terms, it's very bad to have the former Fed chairman tell the Arabs to dump the dollar.
And in the long run, even the short term, we just don't know how bad it will hurt us.
It's going to hurt us either way.
It's hurting our economy because our fiat currency was the main thing we had left as an economy, and we let these guys get in there and create this fantasy world, and now they're showing us that they're globalists and they're selling us out.
Is that a correct statement?
It certainly is.
So what do we do about Greenspan?
I think we need to expose him as traitors.
If you want to think about the man, I mean, he's going to do what he's going to do.
He came out of obscurity, in actuality, a failed economist with one client when he was brought into the Federal Reserve in the 1980s and then graduated to his job for 20 years.
And...
He's going to do what he's told to do.
He's been paid to do that all his life.
And when he talks to those people at OPEC, he gets several hundred thousand or a million dollars for speaking to them.
And, you know, this is the game that they play.
They don't care about the public, you and I. They care about enrichment, whether they're 83 years old or not.
Well, I mean, obviously that's the fact.
I'm just trying to impart to the public.
Gold is, I guess this signals that gold's going up for sure if Greenspan's saying dump the dollar.
Absolutely.
And I'll tell you, if you're not on board, you're still at the beginning of Phase 2 or 3 or 4 phases.
You want to be long gold and silver related assets immediately.
By the way, silver is exploding right now.
What's your take on that?
It should explode.
It's underpriced.
It's been a long way.
You know, the short positions by the commercials in both gold and silver are at all-time highs.
And if these two metals continue to go up, they're going to take big losses.
And I'm a former professional trader for 25 years.
I belong to the Traders Association, etc.
And I want to tell you something.
You never see what you see going on among those commercials.
The only conclusion I can come to is the United States government has guaranteed them against loss.
Why else would they do anything so suicidal?
Boy, I tell you, it's just amazing.
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Thank you for spending time with us today, sir.
My pleasure.
Whenever you want.
Take care.
There goes Bob Chapman.
Now, he's only with us for two minutes.
I called Ted during the last break, and I said, how are you on the deal you've been offering for a week?
And he said, we have very little of the three different types of gold coins left.
We've got some of the silver left.
He thought yesterday was the day.
It's going to be going up, because it's been staying at near $9.50 for a week now.
Ted is almost out of these limited supplies.
This is going to be it at that price.
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Ted, tell them about the offer.
People just heard Bob Chapman.
Well, just like you said, Alex, I mean, silver's at $18.71, almost $19.
I'm still holding silver at $19 per face value.
Again, that's ten dimes or four quarters equals $1.
So you're paying like 25, 30 cents above spot.
I mean, you can't get that anywhere.
No, that's ridiculous.
I mean, the gold right now is at 947.10.
I'm sorry, 947.90, and I still have the British sovereign at 254.
That was when gold was at 920.
I have a few of those francs left at 202.
Gold's gone up...
Incredibly, silver's gone up as well.
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Hey, thanks for having me up again, Alex.
And if you missed Bob's website, it's theinternationalforecaster.com.
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And I've got a bunch of other really important news here that I want to go over as well.
But he joins us once a month, and it's time for that visit now.
And people actually call in and email me and write me and say, when are you having Marty back on?
He is such a character.
We love his limericks.
And look, I bring products on from time to time that I believe in.
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You want to use this?
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Just a good-sized box, but it's a small box for a year's supply.
My wife's like, where's that stuff?
Where is it?
I want more.
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I won't take cookie sponsors, folks.
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In fact, from the 40s until the late 90s or 2000 and something, they only sold institutions, hospitals, five-star hotels, because they knew how to save money and they knew what was quality.
That said, Marty Schachter, it's always great to have you on.
It's always a pleasure to talk to you and your listeners.
It makes my day, if not my month.
And it's just such a wonderful pleasure to relate information and share with you something they can't get anywhere else.
Bottom line, in a nutshell, for listeners that haven't heard you, and there's hundreds of thousands a day that are new to TuneIn, the show's just exploding.
In a nutshell, why your soap is soap versus detergent, what it's made up out of the products, and then how you can make the claim, which is true, of 85% off supermarket prices.
Well, number one, our products are triple concentrated.
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It doesn't take much to pick up most of the products in a supermarket like Dove or Zest or Dial and read the label that says it's got a wonderful product in there called sodium chloride.
And people think, my God, it must be a new cleaning product.
Sodium chloride is table salt.
They use table salt as a filler, as an inert ingredient, as a weight enhancer.
Most of the products have large amounts, anywhere from 30, 40, to 50% of the content is table salt.
Now, that's a scam right there, but I'm not even worried about the salt myself.
What about all the chemicals involved?
And the things they admit.
I mean, the first thing an allergist will tell you, a medical doctor, if your kid's got asthma, is get them on organic soap.
People are breathing this stuff.
I mean, I used to, I'd get one drop of shampoo and my eye would burn me, not if it's Calvin soap.
Well, right now, if you go to the supermarket and walk down the detergent aisle, you'll need a respirator.
Yeah, my eye's water, yeah.
It just fumes from the perfume.
Perfumes are toxic.
We don't use perfumes.
We use natural juices from oranges, from pears,
You know, old is new again.
Soap is...
Thousands of years old, and yet it's here.
It's new again because of Alex Jones saying so, and we've got to introduce this to the people because there's thousands of chemicals.
Basically, it all sums up.
It's called junk science.
Well, the globalists are chemical makers, so they put sodium fluoride in the water.
Instead of it being a toxic waste, they say it's nutritious, or they put mercury in the shots and say it's good for you.
A sludge.
A sludge.
That's what it is, basically.
It's too strong.
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Number one, sodium chloride.
Would you wash your face, your body, your baby with table salt?
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And the other third item is water.
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But again, I'm not even worried about that.
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Marty, tell them about some of the specials, some of the products.
Give them the number.
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Okay, this is way, way, this is my most favorite limerick, very, very old.
God's plan made a hopeful beginning, but man spoiled his chances by sinning.
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The other side's winning.
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Looking forward to it.
Thank you, Alex.
God bless you.
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So I just believe in it, and thank you for letting us have sponsors on, folks.
Marty's a sweetheart.
Okay.
Man, there is so much here to cover, so much to go over.
We're going to be having Paul Craig Roberts at the end of the show.
Dr. Roberts can pop in real fast with his take on Greenspan saying the dollar needs to be basically abandoned.
That is a big deal.
But look at this story on antidepressants out of the Daily Mail out of the United Kingdom.
And you'd think this story was hardcore and exposing something.
It really is a whitewash.
I mean, even when you think something's exposing something, it's not one-tenth as bad as it really is.
Antidepressants taken by thousands of Brits do not work, major new study reveals.
Now, literally, I've seen scores of studies, their own internal studies.
They found back in 81, 82, when they were doing trials of Prozac, the big granddaddy of all these,
This is a new one I'm going to get to in a minute.
I just want to give you the facts.
You can go look these up.
They found that it caused massive increases in suicide, psychopathic acting out, homicidal...
Just rage, stabbing, shooting, killing, people slicing themselves.
Women, it really drives nuts when they get imbalanced with it.
Running around slicing themselves with butcher knives is one of their favorites.
Cutting their baby's arms off.
I mean, it's always the same.
I hate to have to mention that, but you need to know what this stuff can do to you.
If you're having a good trip, you're happy.
It's in the hallucinogen family.
You have the bad trip, folks, and you start killing babies.
Antidepressants taken by thousands of Brits do not work.
But see, they have found, even in the 80s, and then right to the 90s, every one of these, that sugar pill has a bigger effect in control.
This is their own studies, by the way, but still the FDA approves them.
Sugar pill, placebo.
It isn't... It makes you worse.
Just go to Luvox, or go to any of these serotonin reuptake inhibitor...
Fluoride slash chlorine base.
They combine the molecules.
This is chemical weapons.
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But, of course, it's tied to Alzheimer's and diabetes now.
Of course!
You start taking chlorine and fluoride molecules combined together in different combos.
I mean, yeah, you're going to feel real good.
That's why drinking liquor makes you feel good.
Your brain's dying.
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That's your natural endorphins coming out.
Well,
That's what happens when you take these babies.
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Oh, I feel good.
Yeah, go sleep now.
Oh, it's more complex than that.
There's a lot of interactions.
Antidepressants taken by thousands of Brits do not work.
Major new study reveals antidepressant tablets taken by millions of Britons may be a waste of time and money, researchers show.
Well, it's not just a waste of time and money.
It hurts you.
Any analysis of dozens of studies... This is mainstream news I'm reading here.
Any analysis of dozens of studies involving thousands of patients revealed that some of the most widely prescribed antidepressants work a little better than dummy pills.
A little better?
The studies I've seen say placebo works better.
The drugs studied, including Prozac...
I mean, go read their own inserts.
Say it.
That's not me.
Oh, it's an antidepressant.
Oxymoron.
How is it an antidepressant if it makes you more depressed?
And again, once you get depressed and crazy on this stuff, once that happens, I'm an experimenter, folks.
I've never liked drugs, but I've tried this, tried that once or twice.
And I had a girlfriend who took Prozac.
And I wanted to see what it would do, so for just a few days I took it.
And man, I felt like I was in a dream.
You know when you're daydreaming?
You're kind of mesmerized?
That was probably back in about, what, about 1995 or so?
No, about 1994.
I'd go over to her house every night, and she'd be sitting there watching TV or whatever.
Boy, she was always happy.
Let me tell you, it was like a... That's why I quit going out with her.
It was like dating a robot or something.
Blonde-haired cheerleader type, great-looking, everything, somewhat smart, but it just wasn't like a real person.
Oh, it doesn't matter.
The point is here, this is bad stuff.
Research, which showed the most widely prescribed antidepressant pills are ineffective, was gathered by combining the results of 35 clinical trials, including 5,000 patients.
Only the most extreme depression of the tablets, which are taken by 2 million Britons and have been linked to a host of side effects, including suicide, proved effective.
Substantively superior in improving mental health.
And again, that's when they've got somebody who's just completely out of their gourd.
But again, it's those really depressed people that it does, and I've seen the studies, help short term.
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These shooters have always been in the mental ward.
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We're going to be popping in with us for about 30-45 minutes in that shower.
And then we're going to have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts pop in with what Alan Greenspan's done.
Oh, man.
Telling the Arabs to dump the dollar.
It's just unbelievable treason.
The general public doesn't know what that means.
We don't have factories anymore like we used to.
80% of them are gone.
All we've got is that stinking dollar.
See, they get you under the control of a fiat system.
The central banks, the private foreign banks get full control of us.
And then you just wanted to trust them like they wouldn't abuse us or use it on us?
All these years we told you the Federal Reserve was your enemy?
I'm talking to long-time listeners that still hate me.
I get your emails.
Believe me, for our main listeners, I have people that have been listening for 10, 12 years, 13 years, that hate me.
And that laugh about everything.
You're going to be laughing.
Are you laughing at the economy right now?
This is just the start.
And you make me sick.
And I don't like my family going through pain.
I don't like your family going through pain.
I don't think this is cute or funny.
And just because you think it's funny doesn't make it funny.
I mean, I am upset.
I'm so upset that I'm not even getting mad.
You know when you get so mad you don't even get mad?
You know what I mean?
I'm just more like, I'm just tired of it.
I mean, do we have like the worst criminals ever running things?
Why do we have the worst criminals?
Just the most out of control, conniving, America-hating trash, getting rid of our sovereignty, destroying our currency, destroying our good name, selling the world on torture.
It's just amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
The type of things that we're dealing with here.
And I'm not going to try to whine about it.
I'm just going to try to give you the analysis.
That's why we got Dr. Roberts popping in at the end of the show, the last 15 minutes or so, after Paula Nelson.
She's probably the most successful of Willie Nelson's children in music, but quite a few of them are very successful.
Great music.
We've got a duet she did with her dad, too, we're going to play part of, and a few little short excerpts of...
Some of the tracks off her new album, Lucky 13, which you, by the way, can get at PaulaNelsonBand.com.
And so that's coming up.
Rarely am I speechless.
This Greenspan thing, I've got all this other news in front of me, and all I can think about is this Greenspan situation.
Because, you know, I live in the past, I live in the moment, I live in the future, too.
I'm certainly not a Zen type of guy like Willie Nelson.
I'm living in all of it.
I do live in the now.
I enjoy the now.
I think about the past.
And I always look forward and project into the future.
I learn from it.
As a leader, as a planner, I have to do that.
And this may take six months.
It may take a year.
It just follows a pattern of the big central bankers and their head minions and spokesmen like Greenspan.
He's the most known central banker in the world, the most, quote, prestigious banker.
Saying that it's good to have countries dump the dollar, when just on the face of it, that is the worst possible thing.
And then he gives a reason for it, saying it'll help inflation, when it's going to do the opposite on the face of it.
You know, he even gives us his reason for saying the dollar needs to die.
He says it's going to help inflation.
And I guess that means inflation's going to be so bad, they've got to just get rid of the dollar.
Let me tell you, the process of that happening will take years, and it's going to be like having your wisdom teeth pulled every single day.
So, I know what this means now for our country.
I know what this means for you.
It means they're going ahead with it.
They're going to trash the dollar.
And I am boiling mad over this.
But hey, I'm going to shift gears and get into a good mood to talk to Paula Nelson.
I'm a fan of her music and a big fan of her daddy and the whole Willie Nelson crew.
Willie Nelson and friends, as they say.
So we'll be right back with Paula Nelson from the Paula Nelson Band, the new record album, Lucky 13.
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Well, it's cold outside in the hardest part And I can't take away the chill from the night ahead And I've been pining on and on About how everything's wrong As if to throw away everything I own The weather's changed again
But the city looks the same Though I can't find the sun From the chill in the air Be that as it may I'm falling on better days Be that as it may I'm falling on better days
Nowhere is a place for my head and in my face Every dream I've had, it just quite exists Doesn't fade and blink, cause it's later than you think Your whole life could change with or without you
Six o'clock in the morning and here I am
Alright folks, we're back live.
We're about to go to break here in a moment, but let's go ahead and bring her up.
The website's PaulaNelsonBand.com.
She's Paula Nelson, an amazing artist in her own right, and of course, a musician, but lead vocals with the Paula Nelson Band.
There she is doing a duet with her father we've interviewed twice in the last three weeks.
Paula Nelson, thanks for coming on with us.
Hi, how are you doing?
Thanks for having me.
Fantastic.
It's great to have you on.
I saw you had a new record out or a new album out in the news, and I wanted to have you on to talk about just your music, your dad, your whole philosophy, just everything.
Where are you right now?
I'm in Austin, Texas.
Oh, so you're back in Austin.
I heard you've been on the road.
Yeah, we went to Alpine and Odessa, and we go to Fort Worth tomorrow, and then back here in Austin.
But, you know, traveling's good.
It certainly is.
When did the new record come out, Lucky 13?
You know, we had a few printed out in December for friends and family, especially I've been saying since March that it would be due in a month.
So by December we got out, well, about 500 or so.
And then actually we're doing a CD release party this Friday night with Joe Ely here at the Saxon Pub in Austin.
So that will be the official release.
Oh, perfect.
I talked to some folks just a few weeks ago, said they saw you at the Saxon Pub.
You play there, what, once a week, don't you?
Yep, every Wednesday night.
We've been doing that for the last couple of years, and, you know, it's a paid rehearsal, and we've got all our friends and family there, so it's a nice addition to the week.
Now, it gets pretty jam-packed, doesn't it?
That's just up the street from where I'm broadcasting from on South Lamar.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it gets pretty packed in there.
It's definitely one of my favorite clubs in Austin.
It's just a really feel-good kind of spot, and you can sit down and enjoy the music.
I don't have an ear for it, but I'm told it has great acoustics.
It does.
It really does.
Well, I think it's just the way, like I said, you can sit down.
There's a lot of clubs in Austin that are big warehouse-type venues, and it's easy to lose the music in there.
But Faxon Pub is kind of like a...
A little cheers here in Austin.
Well, we're going to play some little cuts from your album, not the whole songs, but part of a few of them, if that's okay, when we get back from break, with our guest Paula Nelson from the Paula Nelson Band, paulanelsonband.com.
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Paula Nelson, daughter of Willie Nelson, an amazing musician and singer, vocalist in her own right, with the group Paula Nelson Band.
We just played a duet with her and her father.
She's with us until 40 after.
Then Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former Wall Street Journal editor, father of Reaganomics, comes on to talk about what's happening to the economy and Greenspan calling for basically dumping the dollar.
You know, when we got Willie on three weeks ago for the first time, you noticed for about 20 minutes I didn't throw any hard questions at him because I'm such a big fan.
I wanted to hear about growing up, music, his family.
And then Willie's like, hey, let's get into some hardcore issues.
We're not going to get into too many of those today, though I do want to talk about her father because he's such an icon and such a great person, but also her life, her family, what she's doing.
But we couldn't have a Nelson on without getting into some of those issues.
We'll probably spend a little bit of time on that.
Paul, you brought something up to me pretty amazing, though, during that last break when we had a few minutes to talk and that I didn't even know about that happened the first time your dad came on and then he came back on still again to show him the type of guy he is.
I think it's pretty historical and important, but do you think we should just out of the gates mention that or just leave it alone?
Well, I think that's something that happens often when people state their opinions, and there's strong opinion against it and strong opinions for it.
So I'll just leave that up to you.
I mean, I don't want to cause any more problems, but there just are a lot of sensitive people out there.
Well, we've got to stand up to them, and that's why I think we should, since you brought it up, mention it,
There's a lot of scum out there.
80% of the American people are against the war.
It's our right as Americans to be against the war.
The war has been proven to be a fraud.
And your father's gotten some threats and things over that.
Also talking about the towers.
A lot of engineers and architects say they look like a controlled demolition.
And just to hear from you that somebody was death-threatening your dad, and then he's such a classy guy that when he came back on, he didn't even talk about that.
Those individuals are despicable, and it's just all the more reason people need to know how despicable they are.
Well, I definitely agree with that.
You know, one of the Dixie Chicks went through their stuff, and, you know, I think it's just mainly...
When we're fighting for peace and we're giving death threats, that doesn't really make sense.
And that kind of goes with the whole war in the first place.
You know, that kind of covers a lot of territory.
Well, the individuals that do that, if you can find out who they are, I'd just call the police on them.
I mean, that is just despicable to try to intimidate our free speech.
I mean, don't we have a right as Americans, even if it was an unpopular view, and by the way, his views are popular, isn't it our right, Paula Nelson, to have those views?
Well, most definitely.
Most definitely.
And, you know, I mean, my dad, as we all know, is one of the most loving men in this whole world.
I mean, he is an icon.
He'd do anything for anybody.
He does so much for his own family, for the family farmers.
I mean, he's done this for 40, 50 years.
You know, the man's 75, 76, and he's like the Energizer Bunny.
He just keeps giving, giving, giving, giving, and
You know, so the whole idea of anyone getting death threats, but especially someone who's just speaking out for peace, and I think we all just need to kind of wake up and look at the situation the world is in and make differences where we can, especially in awareness, you know, whatever that may be, just finding out what's really going on.
Well, I can't think of anything more American than what your father does speaking out.
As Teddy Roosevelt said, it's our duty as patriotic Americans to expose corrupt governments.
But some people say, no, no, no, we're not supposed to ask questions.
That sounds like Nazi Germany, though, when you're supposed to shut your mouth and not speak up.
No, I believe most definitely, you know, especially that we should speak up and stand up for what we believe in.
Most definitely, I believe that, you know.
There's some things that, like I said, I don't quite speak out on yet because I don't really know all the answers, you know.
There's a lot of uncovered stuff out there.
And I, you know, with my stuff, I write about what I know most definitely in my own life, you know, with my own music and the things that are happening in the world and family and people around me.
But as far as, you know, I really just try and
Research everything as much as possible.
Like I said, what's going on is terrible.
The war is terrible.
No one should be for this.
Well, talking to your father, I mean, I was already a huge fan from the time I was a small child, being born and bred here in Texas and then in Austin.
But I did more research on your dad before and after I had him on when I knew he was coming on.
And to find out that he gives so much to so many charities and so much time to charities and then never even talks about it.
How much he's given.
I mean, he is an incredible person.
He really is.
You know, he's just, like I said, he's done so much for his own family and families all over the world.
And, you know, I love and support him no matter what he does, as I know he does me.
Well, to your dad's credit and the Dixie Chicks and others, they spoke out before and at the start and during the war.
And a lot of people tried to demonize him, but I think the chicks have come out even better on the other side of this and more respected.
Big films being made about him, obviously.
Your father, if it was possible, has only gotten bigger and more respected.
So I think at the end of the day, the moral here is we can't let bullies intimidate us from not using our First Amendment right to free speech.
Yep, I totally agree.
I totally agree.
And I think the person that made those threats, I think they need to know that they failed.
Because your dad came back on the show and spoke out even more.
And he went on Democracy Now!
National Television and spoke out last week.
And so I would just tell those individuals that they have failed.
I want to talk more about your father and your family and your music.
Well, I mean, I definitely think I couldn't help the influence from all the talent, you know, surrounding me from birth between, you know,
My father, of course, Waylon Jennings, Rita Coolidge, Jesse Coulter, you know, and of course, Reese Franklin.
There's just so many.
And then there were so many that we were surrounded with that I didn't even realize how cool and talented they were until I got older and really started appreciating music.
Johnny Cash.
Of course, Johnny and June, Roseanne, their daughter, you know, just all kids that we, Shooter, Jennings, we all grew up together, really.
So I don't think any of us really understood just what an honor it was and what great music and what a great influence we were under.
Even with all the pros and cons, of course, too.
It was hard growing up in school being Willie Nelson's daughter.
I just would rather kind of blend in rather than stick out.
But, you know, it taught me a lot of lessons and made me stronger.
Well, you're a sweetheart to spend time with us, and I get the same spirit from you that I get from your dad and other folks who do love just being good, decent people.
Paula, there's so many nuggets.
I'm a huge Waylon Jennings fan, a huge Johnny Cash fan.
I mean, not just a fan of their music, but what they stood for, everything.
People are always wanting to know more about the narrative of their lives.
Behind the scenes, growing up, being around them, around their kids, any interesting stories or nuggets about Waylon Jennings, Johnny Cash, or any of these people?
Well, actually, there's a few pictures out there.
I think there's a couple on my MySpace site.
But when I was, gosh, I was probably five or six, and Waylon and his band, and he had a drummer...
Uh, his name's Richie Albright, and I just had a crush on both of them, and, you know, at a very early, I'd run up to Waylon, he'd give me a kiss and say, who's number one?
And I'd say, you are!
And then, I'd take off, and I'd run into Richie Albright, and he'd say, what?
And he'd pick me up, and I'd give him a kiss and say, you are!
Oh, yeah.
He was number one.
And then my mom said I'd see both of them coming and just take off the other direction, so...
You know, at an early age, I knew, well, I don't want to have to choose between the two.
But, you know, they were all my uncles and my buddies.
That's just one of the many, many stories I can think of that was kind of comical.
I mean, just from afar and seeing them in a few shows, Waylon Jennings had an amazing presence, didn't he?
Or what was it like knowing him in person?
You know, like I said, it didn't click to me that they were any different than anybody else's parents or family members.
I didn't really understand that they were different or that Dad was different or our family was different in any way until, you know, the kids in school got old enough to really remind me or let me know that we were different.
Like, well, what is it like to know so many people and...
What's it like to be rich?
And I personally didn't have a dime to my name, you know, me, myself, so I didn't understand.
So that made it a little bit difficult.
But then after I got out of school and was able to hang out and, you know, with the likes of Waylon and Leon, I was just in awe by their talent and their, you know, it was Uncle Waylon and Uncle Leon and Dad.
And I didn't even know how hard it was to play the guitar.
I didn't realize what a great guitar player or songwriter it was until I tried to do both on my own.
And then realize just how cool my dad's talent and really he is.
Last time I had your father on, last Monday, I brought up, when did he, you know, he, I mean, did he start out being this, like, Obi-Wan Kenobi, you know, really calm, zen, sweet guy?
Because, I mean, being around your dad a few times, amazing presence.
Or did he develop that?
I think he kind of said he just developed in the things that happened in life.
I mean, you've been there for a big portion of your dad's life.
Yeah.
I mean, it seems like your dad just gets better with time or his whole spirit gets even stronger with time.
Or was he always like that when you were even a child?
You know, I think he's always been like that.
He's always been really calm and cool.
Like I said earlier, you know, what you see is what you get.
He doesn't put on any airs or, you know, I'm Lily Nelson and look what all I do.
He is just...
Yeah.
Yeah.
He certainly is.
When we get back, we're going to talk more about your new album, Lucky 13.
What a great name for an album and great tracks.
We've been listening to them the last few days.
Folks, if you want to get a copy of the new CD, it's at paulanelsonband.com.
There's a link there on the site to her MySpace.
It's a great MySpace page.
I was just looking at it while we were talking.
We'll be right back with Paula Nelson from the Paula Nelson Band.
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Find Your Way, that's on the album Lucky 13.
You can get it at paulandelsonband.com and stores here and there around the country.
You can also go to our MySpace and find out more.
Again, at paulandelsonband.com.
You know, that's also got like a bluesy sound.
Like a blues slash country.
I mean, I'm not really an expert on describing music, but I certainly like it.
I know a lot of folks here in Austin that I run into that are big fans of your music.
I mean, how would you describe your genre of music, Paula?
Well, I think there's definitely the blues in there.
You know, I love country, but I'm more of a fan of the old, old, old country.
You know, and...
So Ray Charles and, you know, I think it's more of a southern rock, maybe, you know, because there are definitely some rockin' songs, but, you know, of course I love Bonnie Raitt, you know, and then say people here in Austin, of course, Tony Price, a huge influence.
Carolyn Wonderland rocks, too.
So, you know, Lou Anne Barton, Angela Stray, I've had all kinds of local influences as well as, you know, all over the place.
There's a lot of tracks on here.
Coming back out of the next break, what do you think is a good song for us to play part of?
Well, you know, Day to Day Love is one of my favorites, of course, because my dad and my little brother Luke sing Harmony with me, and of course my dad plays guitar, and then Tosca is playing on the song, and it's just a beautiful... I'm in Fire Below.
I'm pretty partial to that one, too.
What was the first instrument that you played, Paula?
I started playing piano when I was about four or five, and I didn't take lessons.
I just played by ear.
In fact, I was convinced that the Partridge family had stolen a song from me because I started playing I Think I Love You, but the first song that I started playing, not actually the way the song sounds, but at five, I was writing my own, and then I played the piano for a while, and then
You know, I don't know the first thing about guitar playing, but I asked Jimmy Vaughn, I said...
I said, Willie Nelson's a great guitar player.
And then he goes, oh, he's a fabulous guitar player.
And then your dad is constantly changing things and improvising, kind of like some of the other greats, that so many times he plays something different each time.
You know, he definitely has a very unorthodox way of playing.
I think it was Bob Dylan that said...
He puts his own trip on everything, you know, and he does.
Whatever he does, you can always tell it's him playing because he's got his own style in everything he does.
Jimi Hendrix did that, too.
He was always improvising, wasn't he?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's just amazing.
Like I said, I didn't realize how hard it was until I tried to play one, and then I paid attention to how my dad played his, and it's pretty cool.
What's the story on your dad's famous guitar?
How old is that, and how did it get the big hole in it?
Well, it's a classical guitar, so it doesn't have a pickguard, to my knowledge.
And so that is just from him strumming and strumming and strumming for the last, gosh, I think he started when he was in his 30s, late 20s, 30s.
Well, he started singing on stage when he was five at his dad's pool hall.
And then it just progressed from there.
But I'm not quite sure how old that guitar is, but it's got to be at least 40-some years old.
Because I'm 38.
What's his nickname for the guitar?
That's right, Trigger.
Trigger.
I'm going to make Trigger.
Do you have a favorite guitar, Paula?
I do.
I have a Guild, actually, guitar that my dad got me, and I named her Gilda.
It didn't have a big old hole in the side, but she's a good one.
Gilda, that's kind of like an enchanted name.
Well, it was a gild, so I just added an A. You know, it wasn't really that creative, but it's a good one.
How long have you had Gilda?
I've had Gilda for 16 years.
Now, you've been playing a long time.
You've had bands for a while.
It seems, just from the buzz I hear, and I'm around the country, that your group's really starting to pick up some steam.
Yeah, it really is.
We've spent the last just over two years playing together, you know, all the three or four times a week.
We mentioned the Saxon Pub earlier.
They were kind enough to give us a residency there, which is just great.
It's given us a great time to practice and try out new material.
Landis Armstrong, my lead guitar player, is phenomenal.
He's just a machine.
George DeBoer is a wonderful rock star in his own right here in this town.
And Kevin Remy plays drums.
Chris Johnson plays bass.
Matt Hubbard was playing.
I've known him for years.
He played with us for a while.
Paul, stay there.
Stay there.
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I can't take away the chill of the night ahead And I've been pining on and on About how everything's wrong As if to throw away everything I own The weather has changed again But the city looks the same Though I can't find the sun
From the chills in the air Be that as it may I'm falling on better days Be that as it may I'm falling on better days
Nowhere is a place for my hidden innocence.
Every dream I've had, it just quite exists.
Doesn't fade and blink, cause it's later than you think.
Your whole life could change forever.
She's got an amazing voice.
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By the way, she is a busy lady.
This is just what she's doing tomorrow.
Fox 7 morning show here locally.
KUT, the big NPR station at noon, 90.5.
Then the White Elephant Saloon, Fort Worth, Texas.
That's all tomorrow.
Waterloo Records, the 28th, Superstore here in Austin.
The Saxon Pub, this Friday.
KGSR, going to be broadcasting that.
The Saxon Pub, again, Wednesday, March 5th, just goes on and on.
Paula, I really do owe a debt to you, your father, everybody, the courage that you had speaking out against the war early on, the poems.
Everything you and your family went through.
Because your dad really is a class act.
You're a class act.
And I just want to thank you for coming on and being part of this show, Paula.
Well, thank you so very much.
And I'll come back anytime.
We've just got a few minutes left here together.
And if it's okay, I'm going to play part of some of the other tracks throughout the rest of this week with your new album, Lucky 13.
Thank you so much.
Just getting back to you and your father, people just love, because they admire your father so much, to know behind-the-scenes stuff or about the type of person he is or stories, to add to the great Willie Nelson lore.
Are there any stories that stick in your mind that you've told before or any other stories that are poignant or touching or interesting or funny that you've never told, Paula?
Well, yeah, I mean, there's, like I said earlier, there's so many, you know, one, seeing him in a Santa suit is hysterical when he was trying to be Santa, you know, when my sister didn't know yet.
So seeing him, and he got busted because he was wearing the same type of running socks that he always wore.
He always had the same kind, same brand, and so my sister busted him and
We're good to go.
And hip on a lot of stuff, and he cares.
He genuinely cares, you know?
No, no, he is.
He's, quote, more hip than some 25-year-old in South Austin.
I agree.
I mean, for 75, it's just amazing.
And the times I've talked to him on the phone or in person...
I mean, it's not an act.
It's genuine.
He's always saying funny things.
He's always trying to make you feel at ease.
He's just a classic Texan, I tell you.
They don't make him like that anymore, I don't think.
Well, you're totally right.
You know, I just... Well, I love him.
He belongs to the world, but he's just... He's wonderful.
Well, he is your daddy, and Paula, in your own right.
I mean, it's like a blues slash, like, you know, country gold, or even before that, kind of like a Hank Williams mix, or I hear...
I mean, what were the main influences on you?
I mean, obviously your father, but female influences from a vocalist.
You know, early on it was Rita Coolidge and Jesse Coulter.
You know, they were my idols.
I would just look at them on stage and think, I just want to be them, you know.
Of course, in that same era, the Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris, and then it moved on to Bonnie Raitt.
Janice Joplin, of course, Winona Judd, you know, the list goes on.
And there's so many here in Austin and out in the world that aren't on the radio that are just fantastic, too.
So, you know, I just try and listen and get influenced from everything I hear.
Well, there is an amazing music scene.
It's not hyped here in Austin.
Just so many great people.
And North Austin, Central Austin, South Austin, I mean, seven days a week, you've got just scores of great choices.
Sometimes, do you want to get off the road or out of the studio and want to go hear some of that yourself?
I do.
You know, Clifford Antone from Antone's was, we had shared the same birthday, and he was a really, really good friend of mine, was very, very instrumental, and
So many people loved him.
I mean, Jimmy Vaughn was really saddened when he just unexpectedly passed.
What was that, last year?
Yeah, well, coming up, yeah.
It just, you know, it just devastated all of us.
It was just way too soon, and he also was one of those people that did so much for so many people.
So he was a great influence in my life, too.
Very, very missed.
Well, tell your father that I appreciate him coming on a second time, even after he got death threats.
And Paula, I want to commend you for all you've done in coming on and speaking out against the war.
Paula Nelson, a daughter of Willie Nelson, but in her own right an amazing musician and vocalist.
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And I'm going to take you up on that offer of a beer some night at the Saxon.
I'll see you there, Paula, and God bless you.
You got it.
God bless you too, Alan.
There goes Paula Nelson.
Take care.
And she told me that during the break.
I'm not going to get into too many more details about people threatening her dad.
But, again, that's these scumbag neocons.
Hey, they're talking about indicting John Yoo now.
You're not going to get away with destroying our country.
Or maybe they will.
You know, that's up to us to see.
Okay, he came on on very short notice, former Wall Street Journal editor.
He's got, of course, father of Reaganomics, head of policy at the Treasury under...
Reagan.
And he has said in the last couple years here that I keep saying, well, when's it going to implode?
Or will it be a slow slide?
Or just a bad recession?
And he says, I don't know, Alex, but all the signs are bad and getting worse with the people running things.
Trying to paraphrase here.
But this is all in a question for you, Dr. Roberts.
By the way, the second edition of his book is about to come out.
And then you keep saying it depends on if the dollar falls apart or keeps sliding.
And the other economists and forecasters and experts we have on concur with what you're saying, that the key is keeping the dollar.
And now Greenspan has come out, and I have multiple mainstream news articles here, I'm sure you've already seen this, and he talked to, let me find the actual quote here, he talked to a consortium of Arab leaders yesterday,
And he said that de-pegging their currencies from the dollar is probably the most useful thing that can be done to stop the increasing influence of foreign assets in the monetary system, and therefore the monetary base and inflationary pressures.
And he went on to say that in the short term, the free floating will not fully dissipate inflationary pressure, although it will significantly do so, Greenspan added, giving a green light to the Gulf states to drop the dollar peg.
This is in a bunch of papers today.
Dr. Roberts, A, telling him to start dumping the dollar, won't that cause more inflation as the dollar drops more for us?
And why is he doing this?
I mean, can you explain that to me, sir?
Well, Alex, I might, Ken.
I haven't seen these.
I've been out running errands and haven't seen these releases.
Keep in mind, he's speaking to the oil producers about how to manage their own
And when they're pegged to the dollar, they import ours.
And so what he's saying is to prevent the sharp rise in the home prices is to stop importing the American inflation.
And the way you do that is you break the peg.
So I think that's what he's telling them.
I don't know.
You know, we don't import much from OPEC but oil, and that price seems to be fixed according to American inflation anyhow.
So I don't know that them breaking the peg would affect the oil price or have much direct
Well, sir, I'm a novice, you know, compared to you, but I mean, just from my feeble understanding of this, and correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, I want the answers, and again, I appreciate you joining a short notice.
If the dollar's already been devalued, they've already printed so much of it, and so that's causing the inflation or helping generate it, and then if the dollar goes down even more, and I would think that would happen if the Arabs start moving away from it, then won't that drive up our oil price because it'll be an even more devalued dollar?
Well, that's what I was trying to address.
I'm not sure there's a direct connection between their peg to the dollar and dollar inflation.
There is a direct connection between their peg to the dollar and their inflation.
And I think that's what Greenspan was addressing.
I think it's right and what you seem to be suspicious of is that the psychological effect of the oil producers removing a dollar peg could cause a lot of people to think it meant something it didn't because of the psychological effect and it could further weaken the willingness of people around the world to hold dollar assets.
I think what will determine the
The future of the dollar is the willingness of foreigners to continue to accumulate dollar investments.
And sometimes a weaker dollar makes them more willing because they say, look, we can buy IBM now 30% cheaper because the dollar's gone down and it's priced in dollars.
So the real question is,
How many of our assets do they want to accumulate?
And if they decide they don't want to accumulate them at the same rates they have in the past and Washington keeps turning out trade and budget deficits at the same growth rates, then the dollar is going to continue to sink.
And that's what the real issue is.
It's
The Chinese peg to the dollar could have more effect because we import so much from China, far more than we import from OPEC.
As I've told you before on these shows, the manufacturing goods deficit of the United States is three times, four times the size of the
Oh, the oil import.
I mean, obviously, that's the big issue dragging us down from what you and others have said who are experts on this.
But, again, just from a novice perspective, from what you've said and what other experts have said previously, it seems to be in unison that the creeping move away from the dollar overall is bad for the American economy.
Well, I don't know that it's against the interest of the United States.
And Greenspan may be thinking that
What we need is more discipline at home.
And it's hard to get discipline if the foreigners are willing to take up the slack.
So if we can just continually behave irresponsibly, running huge budgets and trade deficits, and the rest of the world is going to finance them, we're never going to stop.
And so Greenspan may be thinking, and I don't know what he's thinking, but he may be thinking, look, if the rest of the world
Shifting gears, you wrote an article
Who will end the American empire and its neocon crazies before they end the world?
Give us your rundown of basically what you said in this great story you put out today.
Well, I was looking at the reaction of the American government to the demonstrations in Belgrade against the Kosovo independence and to the fact that the American embassy was damaged.
All the Americans got in the government.
They got all upset and said, it's intolerable, it's intolerable, our embassy's damaged, blah, blah, blah.
But these are the same people who didn't think it was intolerable to give away a big chunk of Serbia, which is what the United States government did when it recognized the Kosovo separatist
Well, you mean back during the Clinton administration?
Yes.
Yeah, but what I'm talking about is just the other day... No, I mean, now, I mean, sure, Belgrade and what's happening in Kosovo and Pristina.
No, no, certainly, I mean, NATO is handing over a portion of that country to the Muslims, and then how is Bush this anti-Muslim extremist when he's literally stealing about 20% of a sovereign nation?
Yeah, it's the historic part.
Of Serbia that they fought the Turks over, you know, for several hundred years in the 14th and 15th century.
So it's a very sore spot for the Serbs to wake up one morning and find out that the United States government has given away part of their country.
And I was astonished that the Secretary of State, our U.N.
Ambassador, former diplomat,
I would think that they could just give away part of a country and the country wouldn't care, wouldn't notice it, or wouldn't get mad.
It just shows the mentality of the United States government that it is the sole arbiter of every country.
What is a country?
What part of it is theirs?
We decide that.
What part will we give to somebody?
We decide that.
This is a form of hubris and empire that the world has never seen before.
This is
This is the most amazing thing.
And what is it all about?
I've been trying to find out.
It looks like there may be two things.
Apparently we have a massive military base in Kosovo.
And apparently it's something important to us in putting pressure on Russia.
You know, we're trying to start a war with Russia.
Stay there.
We've got three minutes on the other side.
I want you to talk about that big picture.
That's where I was going next.
We have the Turks pouring into northern Iraq.
We have Pakistan with nukes that we helped give them.
Teeter-tottering on the edge of anarchy.
We've got the Russians threatening to move nukes in and aim them at Ukraine.
We've got global destabilization.
I want to get your take on that.
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Dr. Roberts is our guest.
Before the break, I mentioned all this destabilization that's going on, and I agree with what you're saying.
It's like they're trying to start World War III.
Is this a failing forward, and is that why you're saying, we talked during the break, that go ahead and let the dollar collapse, maybe that's the only thing that will save us, or what are you saying?
Well, I've been worried about the dollar's collapse because of the effect on American people, but if you think about it, a dollar's collapse would deprive the United States of its war-making capability.
It wouldn't be able to go around attacking people as it does, and all these attacks are based on lies and are not serving any American interest, and the attacks are getting more reckless.
Now we've decided that we and we alone can split up Serbia, an independent country.
We're putting tremendous pressure on Russia, wringing it with military bases.
We're always threatening them.
We're trying to break off other constituent parts of Russia by pouring money in there to buy local leaders and fund separatist movements.
I mean, imagine if somebody was pouring money into the 50 states here, creating separatist movements.
Washington would go, hey, but that's the way it treats the rest of the world.
That's what it's doing to the Russians.
It would like to be able to do that in China.
They hold us by the short hair.
Well, I think there's a method to the madness, but overall I think they do have hubris and are quite insane.
Do you agree?
I do.
They're insane and they're evil.
They have no moral conscience.
They have no sense of honor.
This administration
There's no integrity.
As far as I can tell, no one with any integrity would serve in the Bush administration at any level.
Well, it does seem that globally and nationally, people's confidence in them is evaporating.
So we'll see what happens.
I hope World War III doesn't break out in the near term.
Dr. Roberts, thank you for being so kind and gracious to spend so much time with us.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Take care, Dr. Roberts.
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