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Well, my guest really needs no introduction.
She's a more modern feminist, you could say.
I agree with reports she's put out and analysis she's done about how destructive pornography is for both men and women, and her analysis fits with the scientific reports I've seen, which of course she covered, where
This is what we have her on about today, but I'm saying she's very accomplished about how it doesn't turn men into these raving rapists like people thought it would 50 years ago.
It actually turns them into men who don't interface with the women in their lives and who live in a fantasy land.
It's very destructive for men, not just women, but that's some of the stuff she's written about.
She's written multiple best-selling books, as I'm sure many of you know, and now she has valiantly come out and put out a new book, The End of America.
And she also has written an essay called Fascist America in 10 Easy Steps.
And we have links to Amazon.com where you can get her book and a lot more up on Infowars.com.
Naomi Wolf, thanks for coming on with us.
Thank you so much, Alex, for having me.
When did you start to wake up to the police state that's really accelerated its expansion under the Bush administration in the last seven years?
Yeah, well it was definitely not something I wanted to think about, but I have a friend who's the daughter of Holocaust survivors and she kept insisting when we talked about news events
I don't know.
1930, 31, 32, when Germany was a parliamentary democracy.
Yes, a fragile one.
The Weimar Republic.
Exactly.
But a small group of people began, very systematically, to use the law and dismantle the Constitution and put pressure on citizens to subvert the law.
And that opened the door for everything to follow.
And then when I started reading this, I saw that not only were tactics and strategies being reproduced exactly,
Right now by the Bush administration, but that actual soundbites and language and images and scenarios and film moments are being reproduced.
And then to summarize quickly, I looked at other times and places where would-be dictator, whether on the left or the right, wanted to close down a democracy or crush a pro-democracy movement.
And I looked at Italy in the 20s, I mentioned Germany in the 30s, Russia in the 30s, East Germany in the 50s, Czechoslovakia in the 60s, China's crackdown on the democracy movement in the 80s, Pinochet's coup in Chile in 1973, and what I saw, Alex, was that there is a blueprint!
I mean, that everybody who wants to close down a democracy does the exact ten things, the ten classic steps.
And that unfortunately, I'm sorry to say we're seeing each of these 10 steps being put in place in the United States today.
And you've pointed out, and I've interviewed actual special forces colonel commanders from Vietnam and other places where this has been carried out and people who are involved in death squads in Latin America.
That our own government, not just the School of America's for Latin America and Fort Benning, Georgia, but other military bases and other spy schools and other officer training schools for foreign cadets are actually training the world.
for the last 50 years has been covertly, but now it's accelerating, training the world how to carry out these very policies, this very blueprint.
The U.S.
Yeah, it's very, very distressing, especially if you're a patriot.
And, you know, we can live in this bubble, as I did until I was, you know, 43 and started researching this, where you really think, you know, we are a force for good in the world, and we should be, and often we are.
But what you've just said is horrifically true, I'm sorry to say, that the great dictators
Yeah, I think so.
No, no, no, going back!
Really incredible lesson that since we turned a blind eye as citizens to how we were exporting this all over the world, paradoxically we don't recognize, because we're not in practice, we don't recognize these blinking red warning lights happening right now at home that democracy activists all over the world can recognize.
And they're going, oh my god, no, you know, don't let the executive have more power to declare martial law.
Don't let the executive have more power to round up his political opponents and put them in solitary confinement for three years.
Now, going back to the roots of this with Hitler, and he was of course expanding on other systems of control, going back to the Romans, he adopted a lot of the, and I've read Heinz Hobel's War of the Deathshead, a lot of the Jesuits systems for controlling countries.
And so Hitler was building on a lot of sciences that had been developed before he came along.
But I'm sure you know this, and I haven't finished your book yet, and I'm wondering what's in there, that Prescott Bush was actually the head Nazi agent.
The U.S., the McCormick-Dickstein committees exposed this.
The guy that was about to be the Marine Corps Commandant, Brigadier General Smedley Butler, they tried to hire him to overthrow the government and set up a fascist dictatorship.
So to see Bush even calling it homeland security, it was fatherland security there, setting up a homeland security, which is the Gestapo slash SS, I mean they're really going down the line.
And when you learn, and I'm asking did you know this, that the Bush's actually got their first seed money from Fritz Thiessen, the man who bankrolled Hitler.
Well, I have to say as you're speaking, you know, I'm very rarely at a loss for words, Alex, but I'm so
We're good to go.
Oh, yes, I'm here, Naomi.
Okay.
There was, as you just said very bravely to, you know, thousands of listeners, there was a scheme in the 30s, and Prescott Bush was one of the leaders of this scheme, industrialist, who admired fascism, and who thought it was a good idea to have a coup in the United States, along the lines of the coup that they saw taking place so profitably for corporations in Italy and in Germany, and you are
A hundred percent right that Smedley Butler, and actually I have a good friend who's reporting this out and has access to the original document, so he's telling me about Smedley Butler even as you're speaking, so it's like this, you know, truth is just like coming out all over the place.
Smedley Butler had gone along with violent regime change
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
We're about to be brought to trial and sent to prison if there was a moment at which they were going to look into turning the spotlight on their American partners.
And that's why when I look at the laws that the Bush White House has drafted, like the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which are so consciously designed to protect Bush and his co-conspirators from being indicted for war crimes, just as the Nuremberg conspirators were indicted for war crimes,
That seems to me to resonate from the family history.
The family history is you can make so much money, you know, uniting corporate interests with a fascist state that violently represses people.
And that's why when I saw, you know, the recycling of so much Nazi language, Nazi tactics, Nazi strategies, Nazi imagery in the Bush White House, and then finally, belatedly, people brought to me this history of the Prescott Bush attempt to kill Ann Smedley Butler's revelations.
It just gave me absolute chills.
It gives me chills to hear you say it out loud.
Is this the first time you've spoken about it?
I have sort of skirted the issue as I've been waiting to get enough research that is sound to have a public conversation about it.
You have very bravely dragged the subject out into a public conversation.
I'm now confident enough of the data to confirm exactly what you're saying.
Just so you know, if you go to Google Video, no need to buy the DVD from Infowars.com.
That would be nice.
I'll send you one for listeners.
It's nice to have the high quality digital DVD.
If you go to Google and type Marshall Law in and click Video Naomi, I made a three hour film about this.
The last hour is about it.
Are you serious?
And BBC Radio and TV, so it's now... You're the guy who brought it out that the BBC picked it up from?
That's amazing!
Well, no, no, let me give credit where credit's due.
Webster Tarpley, I already read this and talked about it, but Tarpley, about 12 years ago, did the main research, and then Mr. Buchanan, who I interviewed for the film with John Buchanan, he actually went to verify, and we went with him, to the National Archives.
Oh my God!
I'm listening.
And since then we've gotten the actual clips of newsreel 18mm footage from the McCormick-Dickstein Committee.
No!
You're kidding!
Yes.
Oh my God, I've got to see this material.
It's dangerous.
We've got to bring this out.
I've got a friend who is standing by to make
We're good to go.
Dimensionality of plausibility to something that is, until you have this kind of personal history confirmation, is circumstantial evidence.
Oh my gosh.
Now I want to, yeah, but for your research, London Guardian, and then you can expand out from there to BBC, and it was also picked up by three U.S.
newspapers, but they're local dailies, so it's all been vetted out.
No, I don't.
And then it gets into Texas history, and even family that I talked to who didn't know what they were seeing in Midland after World War II, but was telling me about this when I was a little kid, and now all this comes out about how there were all these Nazis everywhere, and it's just... No, Alex, you're kidding me.
Can we talk afterwards and follow up more about this?
Absolutely.
I get off at about 3 Eastern, I don't know what time zone you're in,
This is really important, because, I mean, truly, what is so disturbing about the research that I found isn't the broad breaststrokes, and that's bad enough.
But what is really disturbing are these minute fingerprints.
Like, you look at, you know, they unloaded coffins at night in Germany, we unload coffins at night.
They pioneered the embedding of reporters, we pioneered the embedding of reporters.
Stop right there!
Let's go through the ten steps while we have time.
Go ahead.
You've got the floor.
Yeah, thank you.
I'm sorry, I'm just like still reeling from what you're saying.
Well, I understand, yeah.
It's big.
I mean, also, I'm not putting these pieces together.
I want to be super clear about this, but I just got off an interview where for the first time I also said in public, you know, that citizens should be able to ask any questions they want about 9-11 and that it's not a good sign in a democracy when there are some questions that are off limits.
And I made it super clear that I'm not drawing any kind of conclusions, but that in a strong democracy, if citizens call for more investigation of a major crime, there's more investigation.
Well, did you know that Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly have said that Ron Paul supporters are working for Al-Qaeda?
And Glenn Beck called for the military to be used against citizens last week?
Oh my God.
No, I did not know that.
You can actually watch the video.
Why?
Now Ron Paul supports it because they're for the Constitution?
They're calling us domestic enemies.
I had the Congresswoman on last week about it.
In fact, we can even play the clips, but we're running out of time.
But yes, they're now saying this.
That's really scary, and they called out the military against them?
Well, they said, we need to consider using the military, and then if you read, yes, against citizens, and then if you read, saying we're a domestic threat, and then if you read the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, it says for, it funds martial law for domestic insurrection by the citizenry, and then in PDD 51, Bush says that he's above continuity of government, not Congress.
Yes, that's right.
Well, that is super scary because I know that they're training FBI agents right now to identify people who are critical of the administration as terrorists, which is something right out of the Stalinist playbook.
And, in fact, Norman Podhortz's new book identifies people like me and you, obviously, as quote-unquote domestic insurgents.
And, you know, in a fascist shift, what I call a fascist shift, that's step eight and nine, which is to start identifying critics of the regime, or critics of the cadre in power.
But here's the good news, Naomi.
Yes, sir.
Here's the good news.
Hitler did it and was popular.
They're doing it and totally blowing their cover.
That, I think, is the good news.
That is good news, but until there's a revolution, like starting yesterday, of American patriots across the political spectrum to investigate, identify these crimes, prosecute and put these people in jail, because impeachment, the historical record shows, is not safe enough for people who are this kind of violent criminals.
No, no, this is life and death.
I agree.
Invoke the terrifying internal or external enemy in 9-11.
Let's go through them.
All would-be dictators, left or right, invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy, often a real one, that they will hype and manipulate.
The second thing they always do is create a secret prison system that is outside the rule of law, by secret I mean unaccountable, where torture takes place, and they often create military commissions.
There's always a blurring of the line, where they start by torturing people seen as at the margins of society, and then inevitably move into directing state abuse against
Uh, people at the heart of civil society, journalists, editors, opposition leaders, outspoken clergy, and labor leaders.
At that point, people start to self-censor.
And that's why the enemy combatant thing scares me to death.
The president can say, Naomi Wolf, you're an enemy combatant.
Uh, Joe Blow, you're an enemy combatant.
And innocent American citizens, once he says this, can be put in a 10 by 12 foot cell in a Navy brig and kept there in isolation for three years.
And they're now trying to introduce that idea as a White House talking point we got that anti-war libertarians, liberals are aiding terrorists and should be banned.
I mean, this is just predictable.
Lovely.
The blueprint is predictable.
You could tell six months ago that this was ahead.
And what's interesting to me, also historically predictable, is as people start to wake up, the regime is starting to ramp down.
Because it is a race against time.
Like, who's going to win?
Are we going to wake up in time and put them in prison?
Or are they going to get us, you know, and push us past the point of no return?
Which is very quick.
Boy, you are certainly on the same page as I am.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
All right, well, let's hope we win.
The third thing they always do is create a paramilitary force that is not answerable to the citizens.
Blackwater.
Blackwater, exactly.
And they are operating in the United States right now.
They're hand-selected torturers and murderers, regimes like Chile, Pinochet's guys, El Salvador, Nigeria, where they torture their own citizens.
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It's clear I'm going to have to get her back up for a full hour if she'll grace us with that much time in the near future.
Naomi, continuing with the steps.
Sure, so paramilitary force outside the rule of law of Blackwater.
They can show up tomorrow outside our doors to crack down on civil society with, as you mentioned, the Defense Authorization Act of 2007, which gives the President the power to declare a public emergency, federalize the National Guard over the objections of governors.
And it says for insurrection.
It says for the American people.
Yep.
Yeah, he can do that tomorrow because he says so.
The fourth thing you need to close down an open society is to direct a surveillance apparatus at ordinary citizens.
And by the way, there's a huge profit incentive because in the wake of the
Cold War, the third of the economy that was making Cold War weapons, like Boeing and Raytheon, needed to, you know, they were looking at declining market share unless they could find a new enemy.
That's right.
First they had the Soviets, now they have the Arabs, now it's going to be us.
Rand and others have said this, and then it integrates it, just like many of your new student packages that the students get, scholarships, are for this whole apparatus.
Exactly, and they've got, so now there's billions of profits to be made if we hype a global enemy, if we turn the quote-unquote war on terror into something much bigger than it really is, and if we turn the enemy into us, because then they're creating the surveillance and security technologies now, they have lobbyists who sit down with Homeland Security and write the laws and the policies.
So, you know, that's why when our organization tried, the American Freedom Campaign, tried to get
We're good to go.
And by the way, this only accelerates once you go into this paradigm of the predatory economy, it only gets bigger.
Yeah, that's really scary.
I mean, what we saw the model in Italy and Germany, someone just pointed out in their right, that now there are technologies that can amplify control and terror of civilians massively, or that can be used to liberate.
Have you heard they're now putting in cameras all over, first in England, that shout orders at you, and they have police cars that scan everyone's plates?
Oh my lord.
I knew about the scanning of the plates, I didn't know about the shouting orders.
That's very disturbing.
Number five, because I know you want me to get through these quickly if I can, is infiltrate citizens' groups.
Oh, by the way, the surveillance, the TSA watch list and the no-fly list started out 45,000 US citizens.
I'm one of them.
Many critics of the administration are on the watch list, but it's gone up to 775,000 American citizens, 20,000 names added every month.
And these are people who are environmental activists, anti-war activists.
Unbelievable!
Unbelievable!
Now again, folks, if we give... and this is admitted.
We always knew they had lists.
Now they're public.
This is the intimidation.
If we give in, they win.
The only problem is they put so many people on it now, they're letting you fly most of the time, so they put too many on it.
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And Naomi, I'm going to send you a lot of these documents and news articles and video clips for yourself today, so you can burrow deeply into the whole Nazi angle, but also send you all the martial law info, but it looks like you already know more than I do on that.
Naomi, continue with the other four steps.
Yes, sir.
Well, first of all, this is just something I want to say about democracy.
In a living democracy, this is exactly what should be happening.
We're good to go.
I think so.
We're good to go.
Then you get restricting the press.
You see things like Greg Palast, the author, being investigated by Homeland Security.
Oh, they put out an arrest warrant!
They put out an arrest warrant until ABC got on it.
They were trying to arrest... Oh yeah, whenever he went and filmed the camps down in Louisiana.
Oh yeah, that was in the news.
Homeland Security said he had exposed key infrastructure until the press got on it and they dropped it.
Right.
Well, that's super scary because, you know, at this point, you know,
One or two or three, there can be an outcry, but when the state starts to issue arrests for journalists and you hear of 30 or 40 or 50, that's one of those tipping points where it's very difficult to push back.
What I'm trying to stress is that democracy doesn't close down overnight.
It closes down in a series of these tipping points.
So for me personally, when I read, and this is step number eight,
We're good to go.
The publisher of Investia in the 30s was charged with treason by Stalin in the 3rd Moscow show trial and was executed for treason.
And then the last two, the last two, we got one minute.
Okay, okay.
The last two are that you, uh, okay, recast espionage, restrict the press, um, you subvert the rule of law, and you make it easier to declare martial law.
So that's where you get things like signing statements.
You know, the White House basically saying, I don't care that you're Congress.
I don't care that there are two other branches of government.
And you get things like the Defense Authorization Act, which we've discussed, that make it easier to declare martial law.
You try to purge the civil service, as Goebbels did in 1933.
And Naomi, in closing, and if you can hold over, that's fine.